Order of Man - BEDROS KEUILIAN ｜ Adversity Introduces a Man to Himself

00:00:00.000 Most men live soft, sedated lifestyles.

00:00:02.940 Then they expect themselves to perform

00:00:04.660 at the highest possible standard when life gets real.

00:00:08.080 At best, they wonder why they can't seem to get ahead

00:00:10.600 in their personal and professional lives

00:00:12.560 and often just chalk it up to luck

00:00:14.660 or poor external circumstances beyond their control.

00:00:18.800 My guest today, Bedros Koulian,

00:00:20.240 makes the case that only in adversity

00:00:22.260 is a man revealed to himself

00:00:24.040 and why it's so crucial every man learns

00:00:26.320 to develop the mental fortitude

00:00:27.920 required to succeed in life.

00:00:30.000 We also discuss how the work we do in private

00:00:32.660 shows itself in public,

00:00:34.340 how to avoid the destructive drift of life,

00:00:37.260 where vulnerability fits into the equation with men,

00:00:40.180 what one question every man is attempting

00:00:42.280 to answer for himself,

00:00:44.280 Bedros' idea of the quote-unquote karmic bank account,

00:00:47.620 and why the covenant of the blood

00:00:49.300 is greater than the water of the womb.

00:00:51.920 You're a man of action.

00:00:53.440 You live life to the fullest,

00:00:54.880 embrace your fears,

00:00:56.080 and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:57.820 When life knocks you down,

00:00:58.840 you get back up one more time,

00:01:01.220 every time.

00:01:02.260 You are not easily deterred or defeated,

00:01:04.560 rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:07.360 This is your life.

00:01:08.440 This is who you are.

00:01:09.860 This is who you will become.

00:01:11.580 At the end of the day,

00:01:12.720 and after all is said and done,

00:01:14.620 you can call yourself a man.

00:01:17.500 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.

00:01:20.200 Thank you for tuning in.

00:01:21.540 Whether this is your first time joining us

00:01:23.700 or you've listened to a thousand episodes

00:01:27.120 that we've done at this point,

00:01:28.580 I am really, really glad that you're here.

00:01:30.500 We need more men in this fight.

00:01:32.260 And it is a fight.

00:01:33.380 It's a fight to reclaim and restore masculinity

00:01:36.000 in this society that is increasingly dismissive of it.

00:01:40.180 And part of what we do here

00:01:41.260 is the mission of Order of Man

00:01:42.480 is to bring on incredible guests

00:01:44.420 like Bedros Koulian.

00:01:46.020 We've also had Chris Williamson,

00:01:48.200 David Goggins,

00:01:49.740 Jocko Willink,

00:01:50.880 Dave Ramsey,

00:01:51.840 Ben Shapiro,

00:01:52.640 Matthew McConaughey,

00:01:53.640 Tim Tebow,

00:01:54.600 Tim Kennedy.

00:01:55.920 As I say every single week,

00:01:57.540 the men who have banded with us

00:01:59.040 in this conversation

00:02:00.700 and in this movement

00:02:01.540 to reclaim and restore masculinity

00:02:03.240 is phenomenal.

00:02:04.500 And it's a testament to the power of men

00:02:07.200 getting together,

00:02:08.700 learning from each other,

00:02:09.760 holding each other accountable,

00:02:11.260 and then succeeding

00:02:12.480 in our own personal lives.

00:02:14.520 Now I'm going to get into

00:02:15.180 the introduction here

00:02:16.020 in just a minute.

00:02:16.680 Before I do,

00:02:17.320 I want to mention my friends

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00:03:13.780 M and the number 42 Adventures.

00:03:16.120 We've got a couple

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00:03:18.400 but not only are we going to hunt,

00:03:20.100 we're going to go to an orphanage,

00:03:22.640 we're doing an African safari,

00:03:24.500 we've got a helicopter tour included,

00:03:26.720 it's a five-star lodging

00:03:28.200 and resort facility,

00:03:29.860 so we're going to do it all

00:03:31.140 while we're in Africa.

00:03:32.260 I'm very,

00:03:32.700 very excited about that,

00:03:33.760 and then we do other events

00:03:35.600 with M42 Adventures,

00:03:37.660 culinary events,

00:03:38.700 survival events,

00:03:40.860 ATV events,

00:03:41.860 fly fishing,

00:03:42.860 anything that we can do

00:03:43.800 to introduce men

00:03:44.720 into the outdoors

00:03:45.580 the way that I was

00:03:46.640 and form bonds

00:03:47.600 and connections,

00:03:48.340 but do it while learning.

00:03:49.780 This is how men learn best.

00:03:51.420 We're doing that

00:03:51.960 at M42 Adventures,

00:03:53.720 so please,

00:03:54.740 we've got some spots

00:03:55.600 for Africa.

00:03:56.180 If you want to join us there

00:03:57.180 later in the summer,

00:03:58.360 please do that again

00:03:59.440 at M42 Adventures

00:04:01.180 and hopefully we'll see you

00:04:03.580 in Africa.

00:04:04.640 All right, guys,

00:04:05.320 let me get to my guest.

00:04:06.480 His name again is Bedros Koulian.

00:04:08.080 He's a good friend.

00:04:08.980 He's a serial entrepreneur,

00:04:10.320 author, speaker.

00:04:11.280 He's a leader of men,

00:04:12.880 and it's not often

00:04:13.820 that I have someone

00:04:14.760 on the podcast

00:04:15.300 that I know so well,

00:04:17.360 but Bedros and I

00:04:18.280 have spent time together.

00:04:19.660 He taught me

00:04:20.220 and my oldest son

00:04:20.900 how to surf.

00:04:21.580 We've broken bread together

00:04:22.520 with our sons.

00:04:23.640 He's even helped walk me

00:04:24.820 through some of the most

00:04:25.640 challenging times

00:04:26.620 of my life.

00:04:27.960 He's the founder

00:04:28.680 of the world's largest

00:04:29.600 fitness franchise,

00:04:30.640 Fit Body Bootcamp,

00:04:31.980 the founder of

00:04:33.040 the Modern Day Knight

00:04:34.000 and Squire programs,

00:04:35.180 which are programs

00:04:35.940 dedicated to giving men

00:04:38.040 experiences that are going

00:04:39.320 to push them

00:04:40.040 beyond their comfort zone.

00:04:41.460 He's also the author

00:04:42.500 of Man Up,

00:04:43.480 How to Cut the BS

00:04:44.460 and Kick Ass

00:04:45.420 in Life and Business.

00:04:47.180 Enjoy this one, fellas.

00:04:50.500 Bedros, what's up, man?

00:04:51.580 So great to see you.

00:04:52.420 Glad to have you back

00:04:53.000 on the podcast.

00:04:54.480 Thanks, man.

00:04:55.040 Appreciate the opportunity.

00:04:56.200 Again, man,

00:04:56.700 good seeing you, Ryan.

00:04:57.380 Always good.

00:04:59.600 Hey, I told you

00:05:00.940 I was going to start

00:05:01.480 with something.

00:05:02.100 I've got to throw

00:05:02.820 an audible here.

00:05:04.120 I want to say this

00:05:05.120 to you

00:05:05.760 and I want to say this

00:05:06.760 to everybody

00:05:07.180 who might be listening.

00:05:08.700 You are one of the

00:05:10.160 few people

00:05:11.200 who stood by me

00:05:13.100 and supported me

00:05:14.460 and believed in me

00:05:15.660 when I was going

00:05:16.640 through all the bullshit

00:05:17.400 I was going through

00:05:18.180 a year and a half ago

00:05:19.200 and I want to start

00:05:20.300 this conversation off

00:05:21.280 by saying

00:05:21.820 I appreciate that.

00:05:23.200 That means a lot.

00:05:24.080 You didn't have to do that

00:05:25.120 but you did it anyways

00:05:26.040 and that means a lot to me

00:05:27.720 more than you might know.

00:05:29.500 Well, first off,

00:05:30.920 that means a lot

00:05:31.680 that you're acknowledging it

00:05:32.760 and I think as friends,

00:05:34.540 as brothers,

00:05:35.140 it's not what we do

00:05:36.140 or say publicly.

00:05:37.240 It's how we support

00:05:38.280 each other privately

00:05:39.080 and I know you would have

00:05:40.980 been there for me

00:05:41.680 in a similar situation

00:05:42.800 and it's just the least

00:05:44.060 I could do for someone

00:05:44.980 who's a friend

00:05:45.520 and a brother.

00:05:47.360 Yeah, like I said,

00:05:48.260 that means a lot.

00:05:49.280 I wanted to kick

00:05:50.060 this conversation off.

00:05:51.300 I've seen some things

00:05:52.260 on social media

00:05:53.020 over the past several weeks.

00:05:54.740 Steve,

00:05:55.120 who is obviously,

00:05:56.600 you know,

00:05:57.340 he's within your organization.

00:05:58.940 He's somebody

00:05:59.320 I know very well.

00:06:00.880 He's such an interesting personality.

00:06:02.680 He's such a hard ass

00:06:03.600 but I think deep down inside

00:06:05.100 he really cares about people

00:06:06.460 but there's been

00:06:07.600 some viral stuff

00:06:08.700 going on

00:06:09.440 about what you guys

00:06:11.080 are doing with men

00:06:12.820 and how you're training men

00:06:14.040 and how you're leading them

00:06:14.980 and calling them up

00:06:15.900 and there's a lot

00:06:17.060 of controversy around that.

00:06:18.260 Would you mind

00:06:18.560 explaining that?

00:06:20.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:21.080 So, as you know,

00:06:22.700 a couple weeks ago

00:06:23.400 we had our 19th class

00:06:25.400 of the project,

00:06:26.560 the Modern Day Night Project

00:06:27.580 and for anyone

00:06:29.200 who doesn't know

00:06:29.760 what the project is,

00:06:30.560 it's a 75-hour straight

00:06:32.020 experience for men

00:06:33.580 who are

00:06:34.600 and some of these men

00:06:35.600 are former military,

00:06:37.120 some are first responders,

00:06:38.700 some are entrepreneurs,

00:06:40.480 some are people

00:06:41.160 that are executives

00:06:42.120 and companies

00:06:43.500 and so what they have

00:06:45.280 in common

00:06:45.840 is they're men

00:06:46.680 and they lost

00:06:47.920 their sense of

00:06:48.980 or have never discovered

00:06:50.580 their sense of

00:06:51.480 meaning, purpose

00:06:52.960 and team

00:06:53.660 and as you know,

00:06:55.220 when a man doesn't have

00:06:56.080 a sense of meaning,

00:06:57.060 purpose and team,

00:06:58.340 he is going to start

00:06:59.340 drifting in life

00:07:00.320 and that's where the

00:07:01.400 vices and escapes

00:07:03.640 typically come in

00:07:04.600 whether it's infidelity,

00:07:06.140 pornography,

00:07:07.060 alcohol, drugs,

00:07:08.780 you name it,

00:07:09.580 gambling

00:07:09.900 and so these men

00:07:11.400 when they come to us

00:07:12.340 to go through the project,

00:07:13.800 it's not like they're

00:07:14.460 going through a mud run

00:07:15.360 or a Spartan race,

00:07:16.440 nothing wrong with that,

00:07:17.500 it's not like they're

00:07:18.020 going through a 75-hour challenge,

00:07:20.020 they're there

00:07:20.500 because they are looking

00:07:21.540 for that community,

00:07:23.760 meaning, purpose

00:07:24.480 and team

00:07:24.940 and they understand

00:07:26.620 that they are

00:07:27.980 having some kind

00:07:29.360 of self-sabotaging behavior

00:07:31.840 that's showing up

00:07:32.620 as a pattern in their life

00:07:33.680 that is constantly

00:07:35.300 limiting their human experience

00:07:37.380 in their marriage,

00:07:38.480 in their business,

00:07:39.520 in their finances,

00:07:40.600 in their health and fitness,

00:07:41.540 in their mental

00:07:42.520 and emotional fitness

00:07:43.680 and so anyway,

00:07:46.160 we ran the project

00:07:47.040 and as you know,

00:07:48.840 if you want things

00:07:50.000 to go viral,

00:07:50.820 you want to take your iPhone

00:07:52.000 and take the most sensational

00:07:53.460 clips of a 75-hour experience

00:07:57.020 and so in total,

00:07:59.220 during the 75 hours,

00:08:00.700 it starts at Tuesday at 1 p.m.,

00:08:02.160 goes till Friday at 5 p.m.,

00:08:04.160 in total,

00:08:05.140 we probably put up

00:08:05.780 about 16 minutes

00:08:07.460 of content

00:08:08.460 on our social media stories

00:08:11.120 from a 75-hour experience

00:08:13.420 and the content

00:08:13.980 we put up

00:08:14.580 is Steve

00:08:15.260 mostly dragging

00:08:17.360 these guys around

00:08:18.200 by their rucksacks

00:08:19.160 is Steve

00:08:20.140 where he takes the K-bar

00:08:21.160 and, you know,

00:08:21.780 Steve's a Marine

00:08:22.460 and he takes the K-bar

00:08:24.840 out of his side

00:08:27.380 and he goes,

00:08:27.960 if any one of you

00:08:29.200 who don't belong

00:08:30.120 at the graduation dinner

00:08:31.800 think you're going

00:08:32.680 to make it somehow

00:08:33.520 to the graduation dinner

00:08:34.480 on Friday

00:08:34.960 and we all have

00:08:35.920 this project tattoo,

00:08:37.280 us instructors

00:08:37.900 and actually

00:08:38.800 half the graduates

00:08:39.640 now have this tattoo

00:08:40.780 on their hand

00:08:41.460 or body somewhere

00:08:42.280 because it's so meaningful

00:08:43.280 to us.

00:08:44.180 Steve goes,

00:08:44.660 I will take this

00:08:45.380 effing knife

00:08:46.040 and I'll carve

00:08:46.600 this tattoo

00:08:47.160 off my hand

00:08:48.120 and so,

00:08:49.020 of course,

00:08:49.760 I know he's going

00:08:50.540 to do that.

00:08:51.080 He does that

00:08:51.700 for every class.

00:08:52.540 When I say,

00:08:53.100 hey guys,

00:08:53.460 now I'm going

00:08:53.720 to introduce

00:08:54.080 my instructors,

00:08:55.300 it always goes

00:08:56.040 to the Navy SEAL,

00:08:57.880 the Com Marine,

00:08:59.060 Nick,

00:08:59.500 and then Steve.

00:09:00.920 So I conveniently

00:09:02.380 bring up my iPhone

00:09:03.360 and just start recording

00:09:04.360 and kind of show

00:09:05.700 the expression

00:09:07.120 of all the candidates

00:09:08.000 going through it.

00:09:08.740 So to us,

00:09:09.480 it's standard practice.

00:09:10.580 We want to immediately

00:09:11.340 show them that now

00:09:12.200 we've got dominance

00:09:13.140 over you,

00:09:14.200 that you are now ours

00:09:15.600 for the next 75 hours.

00:09:16.840 We're going to control

00:09:17.300 your thoughts,

00:09:17.840 your emotions,

00:09:18.440 your feelings.

00:09:19.000 We're going to trigger you

00:09:19.780 and we want to see

00:09:20.720 how they react

00:09:21.540 or respond.

00:09:23.760 Obviously,

00:09:24.160 when a man responds

00:09:25.200 to a situation,

00:09:26.080 he's thought it through.

00:09:27.020 If they react,

00:09:28.160 it's from a place

00:09:29.120 of emotion

00:09:29.660 and feelings.

00:09:31.220 Typically,

00:09:31.700 when a fist goes

00:09:32.420 through a wall

00:09:32.940 in front of your wife

00:09:33.780 and she's scared

00:09:34.900 or your kids see that,

00:09:36.080 that's a reaction,

00:09:37.080 an emotional reaction.

00:09:38.540 And then we will

00:09:39.000 stop those moments

00:09:39.880 and go,

00:09:40.200 hey,

00:09:40.400 where else is it

00:09:40.980 showing up in your life?

00:09:41.860 So the project,

00:09:43.100 the entire 75 hours

00:09:44.120 is a metaphor for life.

00:09:45.440 But of course,

00:09:46.540 those clips in my stories

00:09:47.900 and on the MDK project stories

00:09:50.540 went viral.

00:09:51.740 First,

00:09:52.020 Fox News picked it up

00:09:53.000 and then Barstool Sports

00:09:54.600 picked it up

00:09:55.200 and then some big

00:09:56.840 content creators

00:09:58.040 on YouTube,

00:09:58.840 like a big,

00:10:00.220 I think there's one

00:10:00.920 called the Angry Cop

00:10:02.160 or Angry Officer

00:10:03.120 or whatever

00:10:03.940 his account is.

00:10:05.300 Seems like a really,

00:10:06.000 yeah,

00:10:06.620 really solid guy.

00:10:07.920 Seems like a solid guy.

00:10:09.380 But what's funny is

00:10:10.400 Fox News,

00:10:11.280 Barstool Sports,

00:10:12.640 the Angry Cop,

00:10:14.400 there's another big

00:10:15.720 like 7 million subscriber

00:10:17.120 account on YouTube,

00:10:18.420 cool dude with long hair,

00:10:19.720 funny as heck,

00:10:20.560 man.

00:10:20.700 I love his videos.

00:10:22.140 The first time

00:10:23.020 he made a video on us,

00:10:23.960 he goes,

00:10:24.220 look at these guys,

00:10:24.760 they're running

00:10:25.080 a Navy SEAL Buds program

00:10:26.320 in the back of a Walmart,

00:10:27.940 which is actually not true.

00:10:29.440 It's my compound

00:10:30.560 and my gym

00:10:31.100 that you've been to.

00:10:32.880 But I get it.

00:10:34.020 I get it.

00:10:34.660 But they're literally

00:10:36.040 taking clips

00:10:36.980 that we have intentionally

00:10:38.780 taken out of proportion

00:10:41.000 and put out there.

00:10:42.740 What they don't see

00:10:43.540 is the journaling.

00:10:44.380 They don't see

00:10:44.880 the deep work

00:10:45.700 of, you know,

00:10:46.860 talking about the traumas

00:10:48.220 that these men

00:10:48.700 have gone through.

00:10:49.440 They don't see

00:10:50.380 the conversations

00:10:51.120 and we'll never record

00:10:52.100 the conversations

00:10:52.800 of these men

00:10:53.760 talking about

00:10:54.260 sitting in their car

00:10:55.040 with a pistol

00:10:55.560 in their lap

00:10:56.180 ready to blow

00:10:57.020 their brains out.

00:10:57.780 Or one gentleman

00:10:58.420 two classes ago

00:11:00.300 said,

00:11:00.920 I found myself

00:11:01.600 at one in the morning

00:11:02.400 sitting at a park

00:11:03.940 by my house

00:11:04.560 with the pistol

00:11:05.140 in my hand

00:11:05.700 wondering,

00:11:07.220 you know,

00:11:07.700 what the fastest way

00:11:08.680 it is to kill myself.

00:11:10.180 These are the guys

00:11:10.900 that come to the project

00:11:11.900 and I say to you,

00:11:13.780 man,

00:11:13.880 they come from

00:11:14.520 former military,

00:11:15.820 first responders.

00:11:17.340 We've had guys

00:11:18.240 that have been

00:11:18.760 congressmen and senators

00:11:20.200 from Mexico

00:11:21.940 to America,

00:11:23.420 men from

00:11:24.360 every walk of life.

00:11:25.480 And it's not like

00:11:26.900 they're looking

00:11:27.340 for a beatdown.

00:11:28.820 They understand

00:11:29.460 that they're about

00:11:30.060 to go through

00:11:30.640 a rebirth

00:11:31.400 and a complete

00:11:32.560 cleansing,

00:11:33.340 emotional purging

00:11:34.240 and an opportunity

00:11:35.660 to connect

00:11:36.300 with the brotherhood.

00:11:37.180 But nevertheless,

00:11:38.720 social media

00:11:39.400 does what it does best

00:11:40.660 and Fox News,

00:11:42.680 Barstool Sports

00:11:43.360 and a few content

00:11:44.100 creators picked it up

00:11:45.060 and really shit on us,

00:11:47.080 which I don't mind

00:11:48.200 because I know

00:11:48.880 the work we do.

00:11:49.940 I hear from the men

00:11:51.060 after the project

00:11:52.040 and certainly

00:11:53.740 not every guy

00:11:54.320 graduates.

00:11:54.940 Some get injured

00:11:55.940 and have to medically

00:11:56.640 roll to the next class

00:11:57.720 and others decide

00:11:59.140 this is not for them

00:12:00.120 and they could

00:12:00.780 at free will

00:12:01.660 ring the bell

00:12:02.260 and quit anytime

00:12:03.060 they want.

00:12:04.720 But we did get

00:12:05.600 a lot of negative press

00:12:06.700 but I'm okay with that

00:12:08.300 because none of that

00:12:10.720 is going to stop me

00:12:11.820 from the mission

00:12:12.340 that we're on

00:12:12.860 which is serving men

00:12:13.900 and helping them

00:12:14.720 rise to their higher

00:12:15.540 potential and purpose

00:12:16.420 in life.

00:12:17.440 And, you know,

00:12:18.140 oftentimes we'll hear

00:12:19.120 on social media,

00:12:21.220 why are you paying

00:12:21.800 $18,000

00:12:22.580 for the 75-hour course?

00:12:24.800 You know,

00:12:25.000 you can go to the Marine Corps

00:12:26.060 and they'll pay you

00:12:27.040 to go through

00:12:28.160 a boot camp type experience.

00:12:29.680 Well, again,

00:12:30.380 all they see is

00:12:31.200 16, 17 minutes

00:12:32.980 out of 75 hours.

00:12:34.580 They don't see

00:12:35.140 where we're coaching them

00:12:36.120 on their relationships

00:12:37.180 with their kids,

00:12:38.820 with their spouses.

00:12:39.580 They don't see

00:12:40.320 where we're referring them

00:12:41.440 to therapists

00:12:42.060 who can help them

00:12:42.760 overcome

00:12:43.240 sexual trauma

00:12:44.980 that they've experienced

00:12:46.000 or physical trauma

00:12:47.080 that they've experienced

00:12:48.080 or limiting beliefs.

00:12:49.420 They don't see

00:12:49.860 where we're coaching them

00:12:50.620 on their business

00:12:51.200 to help them,

00:12:52.160 you know,

00:12:52.500 5X and 10X

00:12:53.480 their business

00:12:53.920 over the next few years.

00:12:55.180 And I don't know,

00:12:56.020 I've never been a Marine.

00:12:57.000 I'm a civilian.

00:12:57.720 I've never been

00:12:58.100 in the military.

00:12:59.280 But I don't think

00:13:00.060 they teach entrepreneurship,

00:13:01.960 how to deal

00:13:02.480 with relationships

00:13:03.380 and any of those things,

00:13:05.260 how to deal

00:13:05.820 with trauma.

00:13:07.340 And so those are

00:13:08.240 the things

00:13:08.600 that we work with

00:13:09.600 and I'm massively proud

00:13:10.800 of the work we do.

00:13:11.880 But it is very misunderstood.

00:13:15.100 It is.

00:13:15.880 Well,

00:13:16.100 and I've had the luxury

00:13:17.180 of spending a lot of time

00:13:18.200 with you

00:13:18.480 and breaking bread

00:13:19.240 and, you know,

00:13:20.380 we went surfing together

00:13:21.380 and you taught

00:13:22.140 my oldest son

00:13:22.780 how to surf.

00:13:23.460 And then I remember

00:13:24.140 a vivid moment

00:13:24.920 in Mexico.

00:13:26.300 You and me

00:13:26.860 and a couple other guys

00:13:27.700 were down there

00:13:28.380 thinking about

00:13:29.580 how we could bring

00:13:30.480 some of these messages

00:13:31.300 to the market

00:13:31.960 and you were talking

00:13:33.740 about trauma

00:13:34.420 and I'm like,

00:13:34.880 oh man,

00:13:35.320 I'm so sick

00:13:36.000 of hearing about

00:13:36.560 like trauma,

00:13:37.440 like trauma,

00:13:37.980 trauma,

00:13:38.280 trauma,

00:13:38.560 trauma.

00:13:39.440 And you said,

00:13:40.580 well, Ryan,

00:13:41.060 I vividly remember this.

00:13:43.120 Well,

00:13:43.320 what else would you call it?

00:13:44.840 You know,

00:13:45.080 somebody who's

00:13:45.900 sexually molested,

00:13:47.440 somebody who's gone

00:13:48.460 through some serious

00:13:49.380 hardships,

00:13:50.100 some challenges

00:13:50.680 and you're talking

00:13:51.280 about men exclusively

00:13:52.300 and I was looking

00:13:53.720 at it from like,

00:13:54.520 I'm so tired

00:13:55.140 of hearing this

00:13:55.720 but there's this

00:13:56.340 other side

00:13:57.100 and I don't want

00:13:57.560 to call it

00:13:58.080 a softer side

00:13:59.700 but there's more

00:14:00.920 context

00:14:01.800 when you're actually

00:14:02.980 sitting down

00:14:03.820 being part

00:14:04.580 of this organization,

00:14:07.640 participating

00:14:08.040 in these events

00:14:09.060 but everybody

00:14:09.720 wants to look at it

00:14:10.800 and just bash on it

00:14:12.020 versus seeing it

00:14:13.060 for what it is

00:14:13.880 and like I said,

00:14:14.860 you're talking

00:14:15.220 about trauma

00:14:15.940 and emotional

00:14:17.440 mental abuse

00:14:18.980 and how to overcome

00:14:19.960 that and those

00:14:20.960 hardships

00:14:21.340 and that's something

00:14:22.020 that I think

00:14:22.440 is a little bit

00:14:22.940 taboo

00:14:23.500 specifically for men

00:14:25.580 in today's society.

00:14:27.860 Yeah,

00:14:28.560 yeah,

00:14:28.960 it is taboo

00:14:29.980 because there is

00:14:30.720 no place

00:14:31.480 that men can go

00:14:32.420 and speak

00:14:34.080 about this stuff

00:14:34.940 and heal

00:14:35.880 with other men

00:14:36.640 and yeah,

00:14:38.060 I suppose you can

00:14:38.640 go get a therapist.

00:14:39.440 I certainly worked

00:14:40.080 with a therapist

00:14:40.620 10 years ago

00:14:41.460 and I worked

00:14:41.940 with them

00:14:42.160 for 15 months

00:14:43.120 to get over

00:14:43.620 my shit

00:14:44.300 however

00:14:45.740 just like me

00:14:47.000 most men think

00:14:47.740 that well

00:14:48.260 therapy is for

00:14:49.380 broken people

00:14:49.920 and I'm not broken

00:14:50.620 or I don't know

00:14:51.160 that guy

00:14:51.620 I'm not going

00:14:52.600 to go talk

00:14:52.940 to that guy

00:14:53.420 or gal

00:14:53.800 about what

00:14:54.260 happened to me

00:14:54.780 as a kid

00:14:55.160 I'd rather

00:14:55.500 just put it

00:14:55.980 away in my head

00:14:56.680 and move forward

00:14:58.340 in life

00:14:58.780 but we could

00:14:59.660 never put anything

00:15:00.460 fully away

00:15:01.220 in our head

00:15:01.780 the reason is

00:15:02.740 that's called

00:15:03.740 compartmentalizing

00:15:04.720 and yes

00:15:06.120 you think

00:15:06.520 you put it away

00:15:07.060 you put it in a box

00:15:07.720 and you put it away

00:15:08.320 and then you put

00:15:08.720 other boxes

00:15:09.140 in front of it

00:15:09.680 and on top of it

00:15:10.300 so you don't see it

00:15:11.120 but it's still

00:15:12.280 showing up

00:15:13.100 in areas in your life

00:15:14.100 in your relationship

00:15:14.980 in your business

00:15:15.880 in your

00:15:16.540 with how you interact

00:15:18.200 with your kids

00:15:19.000 how you feel

00:15:20.840 about yourself

00:15:21.440 and I'm not the most

00:15:22.840 tree hugging

00:15:23.520 woo woo type of guy

00:15:24.580 that's going to play

00:15:25.200 a sound bowl

00:15:25.880 and go hug a tree

00:15:27.220 but I can tell you

00:15:28.040 if there's not a lot

00:15:29.100 of self respect

00:15:29.880 and self love

00:15:30.740 you're going to

00:15:31.520 constantly self sabotage

00:15:33.220 through some kind

00:15:33.980 of vice

00:15:34.500 or escape

00:15:35.240 and it's going to

00:15:36.540 ruin your relationships

00:15:37.600 it's going to ruin

00:15:38.540 your human experience

00:15:39.540 and since we only

00:15:40.500 get one chance

00:15:41.320 at this

00:15:41.760 at this thing

00:15:42.740 they call life

00:15:43.320 on this rock

00:15:43.960 like why not have

00:15:44.820 the most fulfilling

00:15:45.600 human experience

00:15:46.500 with your spouse

00:15:47.340 with your kids

00:15:48.160 with your friends

00:15:50.420 with a business

00:15:51.140 that you can build

00:15:52.140 and give a lot

00:15:53.200 of that money

00:15:53.620 to charities

00:15:54.220 and causes

00:15:54.720 that you believe in

00:15:55.620 and to do that

00:15:57.200 we have to

00:15:57.900 unfuck ourselves

00:15:59.400 that's there's no

00:16:00.220 other way to say it

00:16:01.280 and men have no

00:16:02.560 outlet for that

00:16:03.500 and I wanted to

00:16:04.360 create the outlet

00:16:05.000 and that's why

00:16:05.540 we created the project

00:16:06.520 do you think

00:16:09.140 the the level

00:16:10.060 of I mean

00:16:10.620 obviously there's

00:16:11.440 this other side

00:16:12.120 that a lot of

00:16:12.540 people don't see

00:16:13.200 but clearly

00:16:14.280 there's a level

00:16:15.960 of intensity

00:16:17.860 to your programs

00:16:19.260 to put it mildly

00:16:20.260 do you think

00:16:21.740 that this is

00:16:22.420 a requirement

00:16:23.440 do you think

00:16:24.240 this is something

00:16:24.920 that is is

00:16:25.880 necessary

00:16:26.600 or and I'm

00:16:29.320 just trying to

00:16:29.840 look at it

00:16:30.240 from anybody

00:16:30.860 who might be

00:16:31.460 listening

00:16:31.800 I know you

00:16:32.660 but I'm also

00:16:33.260 trying to figure

00:16:33.900 out what people

00:16:34.540 might see

00:16:35.240 is that necessary

00:16:36.500 for a man

00:16:38.220 or is there

00:16:38.940 another approach

00:16:39.680 that doesn't

00:16:40.260 require that

00:16:41.100 same sense

00:16:42.020 of in your face

00:16:43.660 or attitude

00:16:44.320 or confrontational

00:16:46.860 element to it

00:16:48.560 yeah that's a good

00:16:49.860 question and no

00:16:50.600 it's absolutely

00:16:51.080 not necessary

00:16:52.000 it is necessary

00:16:52.840 for the project

00:16:53.520 the way we run it

00:16:54.340 and we certainly

00:16:55.400 don't don't hide

00:16:56.520 the fact that we

00:16:57.320 are very much

00:16:58.160 in their face

00:16:58.720 that we are

00:16:59.160 very confrontational

00:17:00.280 and that's on

00:17:01.920 purpose because

00:17:02.940 look I worked

00:17:04.000 with the therapist

00:17:04.520 for 15 months

00:17:05.480 I put myself

00:17:06.560 through all these

00:17:06.980 physical challenges

00:17:07.880 because I just love

00:17:08.840 trying new things

00:17:09.700 and hiring a coach

00:17:10.580 and going through

00:17:11.120 a physical challenge

00:17:11.900 whether it's

00:17:12.200 running a training

00:17:12.960 training for and

00:17:14.100 running a marathon

00:17:14.680 in six weeks

00:17:15.380 rock climbing

00:17:16.080 jujitsu

00:17:16.840 MMA fighting

00:17:17.720 I put myself

00:17:19.640 through hard

00:17:20.480 adversity

00:17:21.140 intentionally

00:17:22.480 because adversity

00:17:23.380 does introduce

00:17:24.280 a man to him

00:17:25.000 to his highest self

00:17:26.080 however we also

00:17:27.840 know that many

00:17:28.400 of these men

00:17:28.900 won't go out

00:17:29.680 there and do it

00:17:30.380 so we're saying

00:17:31.680 look pay for the

00:17:32.720 experience

00:17:33.280 and not only

00:17:34.400 are we going to

00:17:34.820 have the healing

00:17:35.520 conversations

00:17:36.220 and the deep

00:17:37.780 meaningful work

00:17:38.540 but we're also

00:17:40.020 going to test you

00:17:41.680 because John Eldridge's

00:17:44.080 book he talks about

00:17:46.100 every man wants to

00:17:47.300 know if he has

00:17:48.120 what it takes

00:17:48.920 and most men

00:17:50.660 have never really

00:17:51.960 figured out if they

00:17:52.740 have what it takes

00:17:53.480 maybe dad was absent

00:17:54.640 maybe they had no

00:17:55.460 older male figure

00:17:56.740 in their life

00:17:57.180 to show them

00:17:58.000 the way of men

00:17:58.700 as our friend

00:18:00.100 Jack Donovan

00:18:00.700 would say in his

00:18:01.400 book and so

00:18:02.700 at the project

00:18:03.840 we also teach

00:18:04.640 them our Navy

00:18:06.660 SEAL he's a

00:18:07.600 he's a combatives

00:18:09.160 pistol combatives

00:18:10.920 expert and he'll

00:18:12.320 teach them room

00:18:12.960 clearing with the

00:18:13.600 pistol and we

00:18:14.920 have jujitsu

00:18:15.560 instructors come in

00:18:16.520 and teach them

00:18:17.260 you know combatives

00:18:18.960 in terms of

00:18:19.560 grappling and what

00:18:20.580 happens if you're

00:18:21.320 attacked we teach

00:18:22.740 them we've got a

00:18:23.620 seer instructor who

00:18:24.500 comes in and

00:18:25.560 teaches them how

00:18:26.280 to you know have

00:18:27.140 situational awareness

00:18:28.220 and be able to

00:18:29.300 talk your way out

00:18:30.220 of a kidnapping

00:18:31.200 situation or be

00:18:32.840 able to break out

00:18:33.480 of zip cuffs and

00:18:34.420 duct tape and

00:18:35.060 handcuffs and all

00:18:36.400 these things that

00:18:37.240 are cool guy skills

00:18:38.940 that I went out and

00:18:40.160 just did because I

00:18:41.080 wanted to learn you

00:18:42.180 know I love my dad

00:18:43.260 he brought us to the

00:18:43.940 United States he

00:18:45.220 freed us from from

00:18:46.620 communist rule but

00:18:48.160 my dad never taught

00:18:49.260 me this stuff so I

00:18:50.400 went out seeking it

00:18:51.460 out and paid for it

00:18:52.740 and got that not

00:18:54.000 every guy is going to

00:18:54.660 do that so we

00:18:55.360 decided that we're

00:18:56.100 going to make this a

00:18:57.960 fully immersive

00:18:58.860 experience that includes

00:19:00.040 combatives pugil

00:19:01.160 sticks that includes

00:19:03.280 like we asked these

00:19:04.520 guys when was the

00:19:05.000 last time you've been

00:19:05.760 in a fight or been

00:19:06.600 hit by a man or

00:19:07.400 you've hit another

00:19:07.920 man and hands maybe

00:19:10.060 one hand will go up

00:19:11.060 out of 35 guys that

00:19:12.260 start a class and we

00:19:13.900 go well guess what

00:19:14.880 you're going to

00:19:15.220 experience that in a

00:19:15.980 controlled environment

00:19:16.820 and we're going to

00:19:17.860 try and mentally and

00:19:18.780 emotionally trigger you

00:19:19.920 to get you fully

00:19:21.340 distracted to go

00:19:22.200 tunnel vision and

00:19:23.360 when you go tunnel

00:19:24.080 vision you're going to

00:19:24.800 use the skills you

00:19:25.640 learned yesterday to

00:19:27.260 use today in this

00:19:28.640 combative two-on-one

00:19:30.200 or one-on-one

00:19:31.380 situation and so to

00:19:33.520 get these men

00:19:34.380 emotionally worked up

00:19:35.880 to get them to shut

00:19:37.280 down to get them to

00:19:38.600 bond how about this

00:19:39.620 Ryan you know we

00:19:41.260 hear about the phrase

00:19:42.300 blood is thicker than

00:19:43.820 water but it's taken

00:19:47.020 out of context the

00:19:47.940 actual phrase is the

00:19:49.340 covenant of the blood

00:19:50.320 is thicker than the

00:19:51.380 water of the womb in

00:19:52.460 other words men that

00:19:53.320 have gone through

00:19:53.880 adversity men that

00:19:54.900 have spilled blood

00:19:55.560 together have a

00:19:56.800 greater bond than

00:19:58.040 siblings that have

00:19:58.820 been born from the

00:19:59.640 same womb the

00:20:00.920 covenant of the blood

00:20:01.820 is thicker than the

00:20:02.560 water of the womb and

00:20:04.080 so dude you imagine

00:20:05.460 35 guys come to the

00:20:07.060 project hour number

00:20:08.280 one and they're all

00:20:09.800 strangers for them to

00:20:11.340 open up and talk

00:20:12.660 about physical abuse

00:20:14.220 sexual abuse mental

00:20:15.260 abuse what what

00:20:16.560 happens in their life

00:20:17.580 that created these

00:20:18.620 limiting beliefs and

00:20:19.520 these shitty

00:20:20.040 experiences and

00:20:20.860 self-sabotaging

00:20:21.580 behaviors and

00:20:22.560 addictions and vices

00:20:23.560 that they can't talk

00:20:24.400 about at work because

00:20:25.640 they might lose their

00:20:26.400 career we need these

00:20:28.040 guys to bond and

00:20:29.060 connect to feel safe

00:20:30.460 around each other and

00:20:32.040 no better way to get

00:20:33.120 them to bond and

00:20:33.720 connect than for my

00:20:35.240 instructors to

00:20:36.400 basically become the

00:20:37.600 enemy so it's

00:20:39.080 basically my four

00:20:40.060 instructors it's

00:20:40.700 myself and four

00:20:41.480 instructors two

00:20:42.200 marines let me see

00:20:44.720 two marines a navy

00:20:46.700 seal and an air force

00:20:48.120 seer guy and myself

00:20:50.100 and I teach

00:20:50.700 entrepreneurship and

00:20:51.720 emotional discipline

00:20:52.540 and time management

00:20:54.400 productivity all that

00:20:55.360 stuff but for my

00:20:56.920 instructors to become

00:20:57.900 the enemy forces them

00:20:59.740 to become a unified

00:21:00.800 force together I love

00:21:02.600 seeing an hour number

00:21:03.440 two three four and five

00:21:04.780 they're by themselves

00:21:05.600 they're just focused on

00:21:06.580 themselves hour number

00:21:07.820 nine ten eleven twelve

00:21:09.120 when they're going

00:21:10.840 through the mud pit

00:21:11.720 they're hiking with

00:21:13.260 logs they're pulling a

00:21:14.560 truck now they're

00:21:15.340 referring to each other

00:21:16.160 as brother you got this

00:21:17.380 brother let me help you

00:21:18.340 out let me grab your

00:21:19.300 rucksack let me grab

00:21:20.360 your sledgehammer go

00:21:21.820 up the hill and I'll

00:21:22.580 give you a rucksack

00:21:23.280 back we want these

00:21:24.520 guys to bond because

00:21:26.260 at hour number thirty

00:21:27.380 six that's where we

00:21:28.940 have what I consider

00:21:30.060 the most difficult

00:21:31.380 evolution of all it's

00:21:32.760 not an ice bath it's

00:21:33.740 not a truck pull it's

00:21:34.740 not the beach torture

00:21:35.700 that will puts them

00:21:36.580 through it is sitting

00:21:38.020 down in a classroom

00:21:39.200 environment opening up

00:21:40.980 their journals and

00:21:42.700 literally me walking

00:21:44.080 them through the worst

00:21:45.580 experience of their

00:21:46.320 life and I talk about

00:21:47.260 mine I go hey between

00:21:48.120 the ages of four and

00:21:48.940 six I was molested by

00:21:50.180 two older boys and

00:21:51.580 here's how that showed

00:21:52.420 up in my life in my

00:21:53.780 relationship with my

00:21:55.440 kids in business with

00:21:57.160 the way I led my

00:21:58.320 company in the

00:21:59.300 addictions that I

00:22:00.160 had and that's the

00:22:01.880 only evolution of

00:22:03.200 nineteen evolutions that

00:22:04.420 we have the only

00:22:06.120 evolution that has

00:22:06.960 boxes of Kleenex every

00:22:09.060 other guy there's a

00:22:09.800 box of Kleenex sitting

00:22:10.640 on the table because

00:22:11.860 myself included grown

00:22:13.360 men were just falling

00:22:14.180 apart crying because for

00:22:15.620 the first time ever we're

00:22:16.700 purging we're talking

00:22:17.800 about the thing that we

00:22:18.800 hid and never talked

00:22:20.160 about that's been

00:22:22.180 haunting us forever and

00:22:23.620 these are the things I'll

00:22:24.320 never show on social

00:22:25.360 media because it's so

00:22:26.460 private to them I will

00:22:28.540 take this to my grave I

00:22:29.840 don't share it with

00:22:30.420 anyone I'll never write a

00:22:31.500 book about it but we hear

00:22:33.080 some horrible stuff man

00:22:34.320 and these men feel free

00:22:36.300 and for them to have that

00:22:37.420 freedom to talk like that

00:22:38.800 we need them to bond best

00:22:40.360 way for them to bond is

00:22:41.440 for us to beat them down

00:22:42.760 physically mentally

00:22:43.500 emotionally to see that us

00:22:46.000 as the enemy for them to

00:22:47.240 become a strong unified

00:22:48.220 front so during our

00:22:49.900 number 36 and beyond it's

00:22:51.900 now us against them and

00:22:54.280 what again people don't

00:22:55.140 see is the final 12 hours

00:22:56.680 we become their friends and

00:22:58.800 now it's positive

00:22:59.540 reinforcement and we let

00:23:00.960 down our character now

00:23:03.020 we're fist bumping now

00:23:04.240 we're saying congratulations

00:23:05.300 now we're saying hey I

00:23:07.460 can't wait to have dinner

00:23:08.380 with you Friday night and

00:23:10.260 see how you look cleaned up

00:23:11.400 in a black suit but we we

00:23:13.240 drop that wall too but we

00:23:14.880 have to come out with fire

00:23:16.200 in the beginning to be

00:23:17.260 able to get them to bond

00:23:18.180 yeah I remember years ago

00:23:21.700 I did a Spartan event it

00:23:23.540 was it was the Spartan

00:23:24.580 Agogi it was a 50-hour

00:23:26.280 endurance event and and

00:23:28.640 what was interesting is

00:23:29.960 there was a lot of to put

00:23:32.940 it mildly bullshit you

00:23:34.180 know physical bullshit that

00:23:35.660 we just had to go through

00:23:36.620 and you saw guys dropping

00:23:39.020 like flies left and right

00:23:40.300 and then Joe DeSena the

00:23:41.520 founder of Spartan came out

00:23:42.540 and said hey I'm gonna give

00:23:43.860 you an ultimatum and he

00:23:45.180 said if you want to be

00:23:46.200 done leave now if you

00:23:47.320 don't you're in that sort

00:23:48.320 of thing and we had a

00:23:49.820 bunch of guys leave and we

00:23:51.360 were probably 10 hours into

00:23:52.700 this thing but I decided

00:23:54.660 before I even attended

00:23:56.040 you're gonna have to drag me

00:23:57.240 out on a stretcher or or a

00:23:59.440 casket if you want me to you

00:24:01.440 know be done with this before

00:24:03.060 my 50 hours and so I had this

00:24:05.860 like thought in my mind of

00:24:07.340 like I'm gonna quit I'm gonna

00:24:08.240 quit I'm like nope you

00:24:09.240 already made a commitment

00:24:09.940 you're not you can't quit

00:24:10.720 now and it got easier from a

00:24:14.720 physical perspective because

00:24:17.280 from from where I sat and I

00:24:20.800 think this is what you're

00:24:21.500 saying they needed to weed out

00:24:24.480 all the bullshit and they

00:24:26.300 needed to weed out the guys

00:24:27.360 who didn't deserve to be

00:24:28.360 there and they needed to weed

00:24:29.540 out the the chaos and the

00:24:31.040 nonsense and the clutter and

00:24:32.220 the and the softness to get to

00:24:34.460 the root of those who actually

00:24:36.280 wanted to be there for the

00:24:38.040 right reason and when he made

00:24:39.820 that ultimatum and a bunch of

00:24:41.060 guys left everything got

00:24:43.220 easier from a physical

00:24:44.500 perspective mentally and

00:24:45.600 emotionally was still

00:24:46.220 challenging but the physical

00:24:47.220 stuff was over at that point

00:24:48.720 10 hours into a 50 hour event

00:24:50.780 yeah yeah that well said and

00:24:53.820 that's what you want because

00:24:55.100 you don't want people there

00:24:56.260 who aren't going to be fully

00:24:58.560 committed to the experience to

00:25:00.080 the transformation to not

00:25:02.460 sharing we've had this happen

00:25:03.660 before where we get to the

00:25:04.720 toxic cognitions evolution

00:25:06.080 where they're supposed to talk

00:25:07.460 about the worst thing that

00:25:08.180 ever happened to them or at

00:25:09.000 least journal about it and

00:25:10.400 they'll start writing like

00:25:11.280 lies right and then later on

00:25:13.100 they'll pull me aside and go

00:25:14.060 hey I didn't really want to

00:25:15.080 talk about it or journal about

00:25:16.300 it but that's not what really

00:25:17.980 happened to me this is what

00:25:19.080 really happened to me well

00:25:20.580 fine but listen if you want a

00:25:22.840 brotherhood if you want to

00:25:23.740 bond with these guys if you

00:25:24.820 want to know that you have

00:25:25.680 peers that you can reach out

00:25:27.120 to for a lifetime because

00:25:29.260 remember the project now is

00:25:30.100 five years in and guys from

00:25:31.500 class one two three four five

00:25:32.880 and beyond are super bonded

00:25:34.600 then you got to be

00:25:36.580 forthcoming and so there is a

00:25:38.140 weeding out a thinning of the

00:25:39.380 herd that must happen and for

00:25:40.900 us during the project because

00:25:42.000 it's 75 hours long it is that

00:25:43.920 first 24 hours like we give

00:25:45.820 them plenty of opportunities and

00:25:47.720 plenty of reasons to drop out

00:25:50.240 ring the bell and quit

00:25:51.120 what is your take on the word

00:25:54.520 vulnerability because when I hear

00:25:56.180 that word it's a little bit

00:25:57.500 cringy it's a lot cringy for me I

00:25:59.380 don't like the word itself I can

00:26:01.240 see the value of the sentiment

00:26:02.500 but I'm curious about your take

00:26:04.260 on vulnerability especially

00:26:05.420 amongst men you know I I tell

00:26:10.860 these guys all the time so when

00:26:12.100 the project is about to come to

00:26:13.400 an end the final hour we do

00:26:15.060 something called the last or the

00:26:16.700 next 90 days in other words hey

00:26:18.100 how should your next 90 days look

00:26:19.520 and I have them open their

00:26:20.240 battle book and we talk about the

00:26:22.400 next 90 days like how are you

00:26:23.880 going to be when you go home like

00:26:25.260 don't expect your wife or your

00:26:26.620 kids all of a sudden to expect

00:26:27.780 this to to accept this new 2.0

00:26:31.340 version of you ease them into

00:26:32.860 who you are and we have to learn

00:26:34.760 that stuff so we talk about the

00:26:36.960 next 90 days and in there I talk

00:26:38.720 about look it's okay to be

00:26:40.280 vulnerable and it's okay to be

00:26:41.360 emotional it is not you know to

00:26:43.160 show emotions but it is not okay to

00:26:45.140 become emotionally reckless because

00:26:48.360 I've heard Andrew Andrew Tate say

00:26:50.400 this one time he says when a woman

00:26:51.960 is emotional she might cry drink a

00:26:55.880 bottle of wine and talk to her

00:26:58.020 friends about it and that's that

00:26:59.720 when a man is emotionally kind of

00:27:02.580 unhinged he might go on a killing

00:27:04.660 spree we start seeing red and so

00:27:07.260 you know vulnerability good

00:27:09.520 emotionally reckless not good I

00:27:13.660 think there's nothing wrong with

00:27:14.620 vulnerability you and I are

00:27:15.720 friends I might sit there with you

00:27:17.260 and be like hey man you know I want

00:27:19.740 to have this like vulnerable

00:27:20.560 conversation where I'm just going to

00:27:21.940 kind of vomit out all the things

00:27:23.840 that you know the things that keep

00:27:25.240 me awake at night and you're going

00:27:26.900 to be like all right B I get it

00:27:28.080 but vulnerability to the point of

00:27:31.080 emotional reckless I think that

00:27:33.520 makes men dangerous because they are

00:27:36.240 unpredictable and I don't want a

00:27:38.580 unpredictable man around me there's

00:27:40.300 too much too many things that can go

00:27:42.040 wrong

00:27:42.360 yeah that's fair that's fair I mean if

00:27:46.700 I'm being honest or vulnerable here

00:27:49.020 on this podcast I've been that way

00:27:51.260 with you man you've heard me I've

00:27:52.620 had phone calls with you where I'm

00:27:53.800 literally crying yeah you know so I

00:27:56.760 think we ought to be aware of when

00:27:58.560 we're expressing vulnerability and I

00:28:01.420 like what you're saying about Andrew

00:28:02.700 Tate where he talks about when when

00:28:04.360 women are emotionally vulnerable

00:28:06.120 they're a little reckless maybe

00:28:07.960 they're they're drinking or whatever

00:28:09.240 it may be but not only are men

00:28:11.240 dangerous but also there's a real

00:28:13.520 threat to men when we are emotionally

00:28:16.600 reckless your employers will fire you

00:28:20.580 your people will think less of you we

00:28:23.880 don't expect it from men to the degree

00:28:26.800 that we expect it from women so

00:28:28.240 there's a real world consequence to

00:28:30.840 being emotionally vulnerable and

00:28:32.800 reckless with the way that you're

00:28:35.500 expressing it and experiencing your

00:28:36.980 emotions for men I would say more so

00:28:39.060 than for women

00:28:39.660 agreed agreed it is not a level playing

00:28:42.420 field and nor nor should it be

00:28:44.440 man let me step away from the

00:28:47.620 conversation very quickly good news

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00:29:35.380 do that right after the conversation

00:29:37.020 let's get back to it with Bedros

00:29:38.620 yeah well so I wanted to ask you about

00:29:44.300 and talk a little bit more about this

00:29:46.320 controversial issue and one thing that

00:29:49.180 was funny and this is just a little

00:29:50.380 story from an experience that I came

00:29:53.020 out you were gracious enough to invite

00:29:54.520 us to one of your events and it wasn't

00:29:56.020 it wasn't this event the MDK project

00:29:58.080 that you're talking about but we came

00:30:00.960 out and I brought my two boys to this

00:30:02.520 event and I believe they were probably

00:30:04.880 for Blacksite they were 14 and 12 or

00:30:09.140 14 and 11 at the time and Wes Watson

00:30:12.240 spoke and we know Wes and it was like

00:30:17.860 f-bomb every other word 10 years in the

00:30:20.680 California State Penitentiary obviously

00:30:22.720 a rough figure tatted up very imposing

00:30:25.300 intimidating figure and my boy I asked

00:30:28.360 my boys I'm like what'd you think about

00:30:29.580 that they're like we were scared we were

00:30:33.660 scared I'm like yeah he's a scary dude

00:30:35.320 for sure like he's a scary intimidating

00:30:37.760 person and I said but what did you think

00:30:40.200 about what he had to say and they said

00:30:42.340 well once we kind of got over being

00:30:43.860 afraid like it was kind of interesting

00:30:45.480 what he said and I think one thing that

00:30:47.180 I love about polarizing figures

00:30:49.060 intimidating figures obsessive type

00:30:52.760 figures is they cause us to think

00:30:55.600 differently than we normally would and

00:30:57.860 wake us up from our our slumber that

00:31:01.780 most of us all pray to yeah well said

00:31:05.880 I think it's Napoleon Hill in his book

00:31:08.820 outwitting the devil he calls it most

00:31:12.320 people are in a hypnotic trance and

00:31:15.060 they're in this hypnotic rhythm of just

00:31:16.780 wake up you know brush your teeth get

00:31:20.960 dressed go to work do your work get in

00:31:22.980 the car come back home rinse and repeat

00:31:24.660 hypnotic rhythm there's no meaning

00:31:26.480 there's no purpose behind any of their

00:31:28.000 thoughts or their actions at best they

00:31:30.520 might have water cooler conversations

00:31:32.400 that are built around gossip and rumor

00:31:35.200 there's there's no depth to the

00:31:36.860 conversations and that is a very shallow

00:31:39.720 existence and I think there needs to be

00:31:42.740 figures in life like Jesus like Mother

00:31:45.420 Teresa like Gandhi and many others that

00:31:48.640 are willing to wake up the people I think

00:31:51.800 Andrew Tate does a great job of that I

00:31:53.800 think Wes Watson does a great job of that

00:31:56.260 now does that mean does that mean that

00:31:59.040 they are exceptional in every category of

00:32:01.860 life absolutely not you know I would

00:32:04.780 certainly not have my kids go and get

00:32:06.840 mentored by these individuals that is my

00:32:08.920 responsibility but can I take a valuable

00:32:11.140 nugget from these polarizing individuals

00:32:13.140 that are not just drifting through life

00:32:16.080 but have experienced hardship have other

00:32:18.720 experiences that maybe others haven't

00:32:20.500 seen and they're willing to bestow that

00:32:22.300 upon us and let us know that it's okay to

00:32:24.020 be obsessive it's okay to be relentless

00:32:26.060 it's okay to want more it's okay to do

00:32:28.440 more it's okay to expect more of yourself

00:32:30.720 and others around you and it's not okay

00:32:32.740 to let them off the hook but to actually

00:32:35.100 tell people like I'm not going to let you

00:32:37.060 off the hook like everyone else around you

00:32:38.540 has because if I do that is not me loving

00:32:40.780 you that is me crippling you further

00:32:42.880 there's not enough people saying that to

00:32:44.820 humanity which is why we become this

00:32:47.360 bubble-wrapped society that leaves the

00:32:50.200 training wheels on too long for their kids

00:32:52.460 and I think we need to fix that and that

00:32:54.460 is what the squire program is meant to do

00:32:56.880 yeah and look I you know even with my own

00:33:01.200 work I don't try to be offensive but I

00:33:03.420 don't really care if I am you know if I if

00:33:06.260 there's something I feel like I need to

00:33:07.840 share I'm going to share it in a in a

00:33:09.840 deliberate clear concise way that a lot

00:33:13.880 of people take issue with and I'm not out

00:33:16.600 every day to figure out who I can offend

00:33:18.520 today I don't set out to do that but I'm

00:33:21.240 also not phased by it and I think you to

00:33:23.800 maybe a greater degree and somebody like

00:33:25.760 Wes maybe even to the nth degree but we

00:33:29.980 need people like that to cause us to think

00:33:32.840 about things differently I just I don't

00:33:35.740 want to live in the slumber I don't want a

00:33:38.100 bunch of bobbleheads around me saying yes

00:33:40.160 Ryan you're great you're wonderful and I've

00:33:42.500 had some level of success and I can find

00:33:44.500 plenty of people who are willing to you

00:33:47.340 know proverbially you know jack me off and

00:33:49.860 and make me feel better about myself but I

00:33:52.340 really need somebody like you who's willing

00:33:54.100 to say hey bro you're effing up and and you

00:33:57.400 need to be called out for it and let's see if

00:33:59.360 we can help you figure it out and get better

00:34:01.100 that's what I wish I would have had when I

00:34:04.260 was growing up what I wish I would have had

00:34:05.820 two years ago and I what I wish I will have

00:34:07.880 now with the people in my corner yeah and

00:34:11.220 and accountability by people that you love

00:34:13.500 respect and admire is the highest form of

00:34:16.080 love a man can get accountability not letting

00:34:19.500 us off the hook not absolving us of of our

00:34:21.980 misdoings but accountability like I I respect

00:34:26.440 you I look up to you I I love you Ryan and I

00:34:29.720 see what a good human you are what a great

00:34:31.620 message you're trying to put out there and

00:34:33.820 I'm human and when the time comes that I'm

00:34:36.680 I'm off the rails I don't want you to be

00:34:38.780 like well you know life was hard I can see

00:34:40.920 how that happened hold me accountable to get

00:34:42.980 back on the rails because I'm a man on a

00:34:45.580 mission and every day that I'm might I'm

00:34:47.500 off the rails is is a day that I'm not

00:34:49.920 being an example to my kids I'm not leading

00:34:52.740 my organization and I'm not donating or

00:34:55.020 giving to the causes and charities that I

00:34:56.680 believe in and the greatest form of love

00:34:58.900 any man can give another man is

00:35:00.680 accountability and not necessarily absolving

00:35:03.200 them of their misdoings I think one of the

00:35:07.980 dangers in society though be is that there's

00:35:10.120 so many people and probably a lot of guys

00:35:12.180 frankly listening to this podcast who are

00:35:14.100 looking for ways to be victims and you

00:35:16.280 could you could do that you know you grew

00:35:18.260 up in this environment where there was war

00:35:20.360 and hostility and and real possibility of

00:35:23.420 death for you and your family and you came

00:35:26.120 to a country where you didn't speak the

00:35:27.620 language you grew up in poverty I mean you

00:35:30.120 told me a story about having your hair

00:35:31.880 washed out with gasoline to get rid of the

00:35:34.320 lice that had infested your head you know

00:35:36.500 it's like you could be a victim and

00:35:38.860 everybody would say yeah I get that but

00:35:41.480 you've chosen not to go that route

00:35:43.120 unfortunately too many men love to play

00:35:45.800 that card these days yeah well I think

00:35:49.220 social media has amplified that as well

00:35:52.040 because let's face it and I hate I hate to

00:35:55.660 say this but if there's ever a platform to

00:35:57.680 say this on it's going to be on your

00:35:58.860 platform because we're friends but about a

00:36:02.160 couple months ago man I decided to do a

00:36:03.680 little experiment on my Instagram account

00:36:05.500 and at first I said you know I wrote up a

00:36:08.960 little message and I said I have a high

00:36:11.780 level of respect and admiration for

00:36:13.620 people that have seen adversity that have

00:36:15.460 gone through the shit that have been beat

00:36:17.100 up abused and and and and left to die you

00:36:21.260 guys are the most special type of people

00:36:22.820 and I have a lot of respect for you I

00:36:24.840 believe in you and then I posted it up man

00:36:27.340 that thing went viral it had like 20 times

00:36:30.040 20x the engagement that most posts because

00:36:33.900 basically I said hey I know you've gone

00:36:36.180 through hardship and I think you you

00:36:38.700 people are the greatest type of people

00:36:40.160 people like us that have gone through

00:36:41.360 hardship and I do believe that but I also

00:36:43.620 knew that's kind of allowing them to go

00:36:46.700 yeah you know what I have had a hard

00:36:48.100 life things have been bad for me I should

00:36:50.440 be recognized for that and then literally

00:36:53.080 the following week I wrote there are two

00:36:55.840 types of people oh in my 49 years I figured

00:36:58.400 out there's two types of people the type

00:37:00.400 that will take extreme accountability and

00:37:03.300 the type type that are extremely good at

00:37:06.500 being victims and depending on the type

00:37:09.100 of person that you are determines the

00:37:10.640 outcome of your life man let me tell you

00:37:13.080 not only was engagement low but what

00:37:15.440 comments I got was like well you don't

00:37:17.640 know the stuff I'm going through you can't

00:37:19.760 say that you know these factors can't

00:37:22.800 influence my life and I was like holy crap

00:37:25.600 when you try and tell people like give

00:37:27.400 them accountability like they will shit on

00:37:29.740 you when you go hey it's okay that you

00:37:31.440 were a victim and I think you're still a

00:37:32.780 good human they're like yeah I'm going to

00:37:34.520 share your content and so that's how

00:37:36.580 fragile we have become as a society man

00:37:38.860 but nevertheless I believe it's my job the

00:37:41.140 creator has put me on this planet to hold

00:37:44.200 myself first accountable to my core

00:37:46.820 values and then secondly to expect that of

00:37:49.480 every man and woman around me and you know

00:37:54.060 sometimes to my detriment to death threats

00:37:56.160 but that's okay it's worth it

00:37:57.600 well one thing I often think about is is

00:38:02.440 this idea of victim it is okay to be a

00:38:05.040 victim you know when when you were a boy

00:38:07.180 what what control did you have over your

00:38:09.920 life none you you didn't get to decide

00:38:13.520 where you were born you didn't get to

00:38:15.040 decide where your folks wanted to move

00:38:16.640 you whether it was within country or

00:38:18.300 across the planet you didn't get to decide

00:38:21.160 how other people treated you that's Vic

00:38:23.200 you were a victim that's true that's the

00:38:25.100 reality it's okay to be a victim but it's

00:38:28.200 not okay to continue to be a victim and

00:38:30.340 there came a point in your life where you

00:38:31.880 had to make a decision like okay this is

00:38:34.680 reality and now I'm a grown-ass man and I'm

00:38:38.260 gonna decide to do something different with

00:38:39.740 my life and use that as fuel to be better

00:38:41.680 for myself and other people yeah yeah well

00:38:45.480 said well said and you're right like I

00:38:48.220 I remember growing up and my mom and dad

00:38:50.660 saying well you've always been thick

00:38:52.140 you've always been chunky right and so it's

00:38:54.320 like oh okay I guess I'm the victim of

00:38:55.600 being fat and oh you've never been good at

00:38:58.200 school oh I guess I'm the victim of being

00:38:59.720 dumb and so I do remember that and I

00:39:02.900 always when I do my keynote talks I always

00:39:06.240 talk about that in your first you know 10

00:39:09.800 15 years of life your parents your

00:39:12.560 grandparents school teachers it's like

00:39:14.880 God or the creator says hey Ryan here's

00:39:17.120 your blank pages of your book of life

00:39:19.180 but we're going to give the pen not to

00:39:21.420 you because you don't know best we're

00:39:23.300 going to give it to your parents

00:39:24.300 grandparents aunts uncles teachers and

00:39:27.080 all of them by the way they have their

00:39:28.260 own trauma they've had their own life

00:39:29.680 adversity they've had their own life

00:39:31.020 experiences so they see life through

00:39:32.980 their own weird lenses anyway and then

00:39:35.520 we give them the pen the first 10 to 15

00:39:37.540 years and they start writing the story

00:39:39.480 of Bedros Koulian oh you know he's

00:39:41.700 clumsy he's not that smart he's got two

00:39:43.800 left feet he's chunky you know he's not

00:39:46.780 that clean he keeps his room a mess and

00:39:49.280 so then you know I literally remember

00:39:51.040 having a friend in one of the section

00:39:52.540 eight housings that I lived in when we

00:39:54.240 came to America the complex his parents

00:39:57.160 and his siblings called him gordito he

00:39:59.440 was a little Mexican kid gordito and I

00:40:01.460 was like hey what is gordito he goes oh

00:40:03.740 like it means like little fatty little

00:40:05.360 fat kid and he answered to gordito

00:40:07.820 because apparently his parents fed him

00:40:10.700 high sugar high fat foods and he's

00:40:13.680 chunky he probably is an endomorph like I

00:40:15.680 am I could walk by a donut shop and get

00:40:17.500 fat which is why I have to like work out

00:40:20.060 like a savage and eat clean but anyway

00:40:22.680 all that said his story that he told

00:40:25.620 himself is he's always going to be fat

00:40:27.300 fast forward 20 years I saw him in his

00:40:30.600 like I don't know probably almost 30

00:40:33.360 years old we were both almost 30 years

00:40:35.060 old and he was still a fat chunky kid or

00:40:38.360 adult and I believe the reason is we

00:40:41.380 believe whatever people write in our

00:40:43.120 life's book we just forget that after a

00:40:45.800 certain age 15 16 18 20 years old you can

00:40:48.960 take that pen back and start rewriting

00:40:50.940 that Bedros is going to be athletic he is

00:40:53.580 going to be intelligent he he's not going

00:40:55.800 to be dependent on the system and it is

00:40:59.000 taking that pen back and rewriting a story

00:41:02.000 of the hero instead of the victim but

00:41:04.540 oftentimes we just let people keep the pen

00:41:06.500 and keep writing about us and we actually

00:41:08.520 start believing that story and therefore

00:41:10.800 adopting a false identity and then we go

00:41:13.380 through life looking for evidence to

00:41:16.080 reinforce that false identity which is

00:41:18.440 untrue but we've accepted it anyway

00:41:20.700 yeah I mean this is to a lesser degree I

00:41:26.260 remember when I moved from southern

00:41:27.740 California to southern Utah and I was so

00:41:31.920 excited about the move because even at I

00:41:33.980 think it was 13 or 14 years old I

00:41:36.020 realized it was an opportunity for me to

00:41:37.980 create a new identity and I became a jock

00:41:40.520 you know I started playing football and

00:41:42.800 got immersed with it with the jocks and

00:41:44.800 the and the athletes and and and I was so

00:41:47.760 excited about it because it was different

00:41:49.360 than what I was 14 for 14 years of my life

00:41:53.640 and right and that was a cool experience

00:41:55.940 for me at age 14 but we can do that

00:41:57.720 every day you know as men we can decide

00:41:59.800 hey you know maybe maybe you're an

00:42:02.120 alcoholic well are you or is that

00:42:05.300 something that you've adopted I

00:42:06.440 remember when I started going to AA meetings

00:42:08.160 there was this woman she was 30 plus years

00:42:11.400 sober and they go around the room and they

00:42:14.260 introduce themselves as hey I'm so-and-so and

00:42:16.580 I'm an alcoholic and I never did that I

00:42:18.360 that's nothing I would I would never say

00:42:21.020 that because I don't want to identify as

00:42:22.720 that so I just introduced myself as Ryan

00:42:25.120 hey I'm Ryan I'm here to learn and this

00:42:28.740 woman I remember vividly she says hey I'm so-and-so

00:42:31.500 and I'm an alcoholic and I've been 30 years

00:42:33.840 sober I'm like damn it stop calling yourself

00:42:35.880 an alcoholic please like you're embracing

00:42:39.140 that as your identity and what is that

00:42:41.340 doing I mean if it works for you great but

00:42:43.800 from where I sit why do we embrace these

00:42:46.580 titles that are not serving us that are

00:42:49.680 limiting who we could potentially become but

00:42:52.160 we're so wrapped up in our story that we

00:42:54.080 have to perpetuate it forever there you go

00:42:57.240 there you go that's exactly what it is it's

00:42:59.220 the perpetuation 30 years later dude as

00:43:02.380 far as I'm concerned I guess maybe if

00:43:04.280 someone's gonna say well you know she was a

00:43:06.200 clinical alcoholic well okay sure but each

00:43:08.920 time she says that it does reinforce a

00:43:11.840 message because when I think of an

00:43:13.600 alcoholic I think of someone who's

00:43:14.920 irresponsible that I wouldn't leave my

00:43:17.000 kids I wouldn't trust my kids with I

00:43:18.640 wouldn't trust my business with that I

00:43:20.980 wouldn't want to be friends with I

00:43:22.140 wouldn't want them to have access to my

00:43:23.660 wallet or my money or my bank account I

00:43:26.580 hate to say that but when I think about

00:43:28.100 an alcoholic I just think of someone

00:43:29.520 who's irresponsible and reckless and

00:43:31.400 could potentially harm my family my

00:43:33.360 business or my life and so I'd want to

00:43:35.320 keep them at arm's length man if you

00:43:37.080 haven't had alcohol for 30 years I would

00:43:39.980 say you're probably just a regular

00:43:42.220 functioning human who shouldn't drink

00:43:44.080 because maybe you turn into a gremlin when

00:43:46.180 you drink so great you figured out not to

00:43:48.200 drink but let's not wear that mask of

00:43:50.660 alcoholism or an alcoholic where now you

00:43:53.740 walk around telling me you're an

00:43:54.720 alcoholic and I'm gonna go oh shit you

00:43:56.340 know any minute now you could go back to

00:43:58.340 being the way you were because she's

00:44:00.760 probably proven that she's a responsible

00:44:02.500 person that she is ethical that she's

00:44:04.760 got new new core values and she's

00:44:07.200 reinvented herself so why not redefine

00:44:09.680 yourself but people don't they love

00:44:11.840 wearing that hat and identifying with a

00:44:14.920 thing I don't know why that is but it

00:44:16.620 is the human condition well I maybe it's

00:44:21.160 just comfortable or just a level of

00:44:22.900 complacency or maybe even laziness you

00:44:24.940 know or maybe ignorance like they don't

00:44:26.580 know any better so I guess the question

00:44:28.520 then begs for a guy who's identified with

00:44:32.360 being an alcoholic or a drug user or a

00:44:34.700 cheater or a piece of shit or a loser or

00:44:37.620 anything that he's adopted how do you

00:44:40.100 recommend for a guy like that to break

00:44:42.240 that cycle because it's very easy for us

00:44:44.420 to say well this is just the hand I was

00:44:47.140 dealt I can't do anything about that what

00:44:48.880 do you want me to do about it right they

00:44:51.060 just there's no level of accountability

00:44:53.540 what does a guy like that do yeah that's

00:44:56.380 a great question and so when they say

00:44:58.980 this is a hand that I was dealt or this

00:45:00.800 it happened to me or it wasn't my fault

00:45:03.500 and I get it like look man I got molested

00:45:05.500 as a kid between the ages of four and six I

00:45:07.340 was molested by two older boys in Armenia

00:45:09.020 I didn't walk up to them and say here you

00:45:11.780 go guys molest me it happened to me I was

00:45:14.720 absolutely the victim however I had

00:45:17.740 decided then I years later right that I'm

00:45:20.820 not going to externalize that meaning I'm

00:45:23.180 going to go internal and go what can I do

00:45:24.940 about it now so I'm never a victim in

00:45:26.520 life again so I'm not a victim of a bad

00:45:29.080 business partner I'm not a victim of the

00:45:31.300 government trying to oppress me or overtax

00:45:34.280 me and so when we have this internal

00:45:37.220 locus of control we can redefine our life

00:45:41.180 and create a new identity when it's a

00:45:43.520 external locus of control meaning well

00:45:45.660 that happened to me it's not my fault

00:45:47.480 it's the economy the president my

00:45:48.980 parents you know I'm genetically

00:45:51.640 predisposed to be fat okay well great

00:45:54.300 but the internal locus of control says I

00:45:56.640 am responsible I can do something about

00:45:58.540 it it is within my control and power and

00:46:00.700 the moment someone decides to just go I

00:46:03.480 am going to be fully responsible for

00:46:05.160 everything that happens in my life in

00:46:07.540 fact there's a creed at the project we

00:46:09.420 have a creed and there's a part of that

00:46:10.740 creed that says I am going to be

00:46:12.300 responsible for everything that happens

00:46:13.480 in my life and that gives me the power

00:46:15.260 and control to change my circumstances

00:46:17.660 so the moment we have this internal

00:46:20.180 locus of control we're able to then

00:46:22.340 write down I would say the next thing is

00:46:24.080 adopt a locus of control it's all on me

00:46:26.920 it's all my fault I'm responsible and

00:46:28.820 that's that no one outside of me can fix

00:46:30.560 me other than me and then you go what is

00:46:33.260 the version of the man that I want to be

00:46:36.060 look like maybe he wakes up at 5 a.m. he

00:46:38.860 drinks a protein shake he sends out three

00:46:40.900 gratitude text messages to people he's

00:46:42.500 grateful for he's working out by 9 a.m.

00:46:45.420 he's focused on money and meaning and

00:46:47.880 self-mastery okay what are those things

00:46:50.340 look like write it out like what is the

00:46:52.360 app that avatar look like and then live

00:46:55.020 to that every day live to that and I tell

00:46:57.800 the guys at the project I go I pretend

00:47:00.000 like there's a drone hovering over me 24

00:47:03.140 hours a day and that my son and daughter

00:47:05.880 Andrew and Chloe who's these are their

00:47:08.340 baby pictures in here but my son and

00:47:10.180 daughter on their iPhones could tap in

00:47:13.200 and see what dad is doing any minute

00:47:15.360 any time of the day wherever I am in the

00:47:17.160 world live right and so in my head that's

00:47:20.480 good yeah so I'm like man I've identified

00:47:22.680 who I want to be and I have to be

00:47:24.980 congruent to that man because if Andrew

00:47:27.320 and Chloe were to log in and see me live

00:47:30.300 and I'm like chowing down on donuts and

00:47:33.300 snorting cocaine off of hookers tits that

00:47:35.960 is not the congruent man that I say I am

00:47:38.500 and so when you decide that you're going

00:47:41.500 to take internal locus of control and

00:47:43.460 then identify what a winning man looks

00:47:45.600 like the idealized man that you love

00:47:47.820 respect admire want to be like and then

00:47:49.900 you live to that man knowing that you're

00:47:51.820 going to live to that man because some

00:47:53.580 people see you as an example could be

00:47:55.560 your co-workers could be your best

00:47:56.840 friends could be your kids then I don't

00:48:01.780 know how you can go back and be a shit

00:48:04.300 bag again I just truly don't like I

00:48:06.820 believe karma would be too harsh on me

00:48:09.160 if I went back to being the 1.0 version

00:48:11.960 of myself so I have to continue to be

00:48:14.640 this 2.0 version of myself to live as a

00:48:16.800 solid example of humanity to my kids to

00:48:19.460 people that listen to my show that read

00:48:21.140 my book that you know buy my products

00:48:23.640 and services and franchises otherwise

00:48:26.000 I'm the biggest hypocrite and there was

00:48:27.760 a study that came out about a decade ago and

00:48:30.920 the study proved that people have society

00:48:33.960 has more respect for someone that has

00:48:35.940 gone to prison serve their debt to

00:48:38.460 society and come out then a hypocrite who

00:48:42.680 says one thing but does another and so I

00:48:46.060 think being a hypocrite is lower than being

00:48:48.560 a convict that has served their debt to

00:48:50.860 society and I never want to be a hypocrite

00:48:52.720 hmm one thing you said is you said

00:48:58.000 something about you know karma would come

00:48:59.980 back do you I just want to dig down into

00:49:02.800 that a little bit is it karma which when

00:49:04.800 I hear that I think of some some maybe

00:49:07.940 cosmic force that just is is lucky or is

00:49:12.000 it a natural order which I think is more

00:49:14.000 based on evolution just the natural order

00:49:16.540 of things or is it a spiritual perspective

00:49:19.400 which is an eternal cosmic principle and

00:49:23.340 there's a there's a being that's dictating

00:49:25.500 all of this what do you think about that

00:49:27.420 well my personal belief is that we are

00:49:30.580 all god-like in that we all have a piece

00:49:33.660 of God the creator within us that is our

00:49:35.760 consciousness that is our soul that is

00:49:37.400 our spirit and so collectively we are

00:49:40.700 universal consciousness and that's just

00:49:43.760 my own personal belief so knowing that I

00:49:46.020 believe there are some universal laws that

00:49:48.000 exist and so when I say I'm going to do

00:49:51.640 something and I don't do that thing I am

00:49:55.240 hypocritical or when I do something bad to

00:49:58.660 someone when I know that I did something

00:50:01.600 bad I robbed them I stole their car I I

00:50:04.380 swindled them out of money there has to be

00:50:07.820 a universal balance and I believe that's

00:50:10.020 what karma is the universal consciousness

00:50:12.320 goes up you have taken too much out of

00:50:16.340 your karmic bank account and you need to

00:50:19.900 now deposit into your goodwill bank

00:50:21.620 account and so you will start feeling the

00:50:23.320 pain and I'll give you a great example of

00:50:24.620 that and now one might argue that

00:50:26.300 everything I'm about to say is

00:50:27.500 coincidence right and so I get it but

00:50:30.420 it's my own belief and if it's my own

00:50:32.580 belief and I live by this belief system

00:50:34.260 and if it serves me well then didn't I do

00:50:36.340 well in life after all yes and so here

00:50:39.160 here's what it is I used to be a really

00:50:41.260 big shit bag I'm 49 years old now but when

00:50:43.640 I was 19 20 21 years old I would carjack

00:50:47.920 people for their Honda Civics and Honda

00:50:51.660 Accords myself and a group of buddies we

00:50:54.260 would carjack people and we looked at it

00:50:56.680 as a victimless crime because we're not

00:50:58.540 going to beat you up we're going to be

00:51:00.120 mean and aggressive and pull you out of

00:51:01.480 your car and we're going to take your car

00:51:04.000 you're going to go file insurance claim

00:51:06.080 and we're going to take your car to an

00:51:08.380 auto body shop they're going to part it out

00:51:10.180 and they're going to use those parts for

00:51:12.300 cars that they're working on and that's

00:51:15.440 that and they give us money for it and so

00:51:17.880 that's how I sold it to myself well every

00:51:20.860 time we would carjack and steal a car and

00:51:23.740 let's say I got my four or five hundred

00:51:25.180 dollars worth of money from that endeavor

00:51:29.320 within a week or so something would happen

00:51:34.160 where I would lose that amount of money

00:51:36.200 or more in other words my car would have

00:51:38.800 this massive engine catastrophe that now I

00:51:41.520 it's going to cost me six hundred bucks

00:51:42.920 to repair like shit I made four hundred

00:51:44.920 bucks but it's a six hundred dollar

00:51:46.460 repair I remember another time I got a

00:51:49.420 windfall of money like that five or six

00:51:51.540 hundred dollars and then I got a ticket

00:51:53.360 for reckless driving and my car got

00:51:55.320 impounded soon after and so I always

00:51:58.220 felt like okay there's something

00:51:59.880 happening where I'm doing bad things

00:52:02.000 and bad things continue to happen to me

00:52:03.780 and I think there's a universal law that

00:52:06.060 dictates that you can't just keep doing

00:52:08.540 shitty stuff and expect good things to

00:52:10.380 happen at some point you have to start

00:52:12.120 filling up your Goodwill bank account and

00:52:14.600 I made it my mission I've told you this

00:52:17.320 before the story of getting in a

00:52:19.900 helicopter chase we were so we graduated

00:52:23.080 to robberies of homes stupidly and one

00:52:28.620 particular home my friends didn't case it

00:52:30.560 well and there was this older woman in

00:52:33.460 there and I was a getaway driver they

00:52:36.560 hop the fence they break the back door

00:52:38.380 they get in within seconds they're

00:52:40.180 hopping the fence and coming back out

00:52:41.560 and yelling at me drive drive drive and

00:52:43.680 I'm like what the hell happened you know

00:52:44.980 it was supposed to be an empty house and

00:52:47.420 we're supposed to steal this stuff and

00:52:48.640 then take it to a pawn shop well as it

00:52:50.520 turns out this woman was able to identify

00:52:52.760 us calls the police like an idiot I had a

00:52:56.440 yellow Toyota pickup talk about not

00:52:58.640 blending in so within about five minutes

00:53:01.440 Anaheim PD has their helicopter over me

00:53:05.280 and I'm trying to do a low-speed getaway

00:53:07.720 needless to say we weren't able to get

00:53:10.220 away I pulled into a gas station the goal

00:53:12.480 was we would all run out of the car and

00:53:14.800 keep our mouth shut sure yeah of course

00:53:17.440 that never happened the unmarked cars you

00:53:19.680 know block my doors pulled us out of the

00:53:21.260 windows rightfully so the lady was able to

00:53:23.940 identify my three friends but was never

00:53:26.000 able to identify me since I was the getaway

00:53:27.800 driver I was just hit with reckless

00:53:31.520 driving my car was impounded my friends

00:53:34.220 went to jail I didn't and that was the

00:53:37.280 turning point for me that's when I

00:53:38.540 decided like I think someone up there has

00:53:42.580 their eye on me and this is a shot over

00:53:45.120 my bow saying this is your one and only

00:53:47.040 chance and I took it as that whether that

00:53:49.760 was or not I don't know but I took it as

00:53:51.420 that and I said moving forward I'm gonna

00:53:53.760 fill up the Goodwill bank account and

00:53:55.780 thankfully as I became a personal trainer

00:53:58.160 I met some affluent people who were

00:54:00.180 actually willing to mentor me and coach

00:54:02.200 me and believed in me important to me and

00:54:04.660 I started to do good things and I felt so

00:54:07.140 amazing that I've continued on to do those

00:54:09.960 good things and today we've donated

00:54:11.460 millions of dollars to Shriner Children's

00:54:13.180 Hospital over the last 12 years every

00:54:15.700 year we adopt more kids through compassion

00:54:19.480 international currently we have 97 kids

00:54:21.600 adopted through compassion and then you

00:54:24.240 know we shut down the target here right

00:54:26.140 before Christmas and we buy anywhere from

00:54:28.920 fifty thousand to a hundred thousand

00:54:30.140 dollars worth of toys for toys for tots

00:54:33.040 which is run by the Marine Corps out

00:54:34.820 here and they give toys to kids who

00:54:36.400 otherwise would wake up Christmas morning

00:54:37.920 my I made it my mission to fill up my

00:54:40.820 Goodwill bank account because the last

00:54:42.340 thing I wanted to do was have again this

00:54:45.820 is just my belief system to have that

00:54:47.640 karmic justice fall on my kids to have and

00:54:51.540 I don't know if it would I I somehow got

00:54:53.780 that download from the creator like like

00:54:56.340 what would be the worst thing that God

00:54:58.580 would do to me well he wouldn't punish me

00:55:01.360 for my shortcomings he would punish my

00:55:03.740 kids that would be the worst thing and I

00:55:05.800 was like fuck it I'm gonna be a decent

00:55:07.320 human because I've always felt guilty

00:55:09.240 being a shit bag anyway but I did it

00:55:11.220 anyway because I wanted to fit in and it

00:55:13.140 was after that helicopter chase that I

00:55:14.900 changed my path listen to my mentors and

00:55:17.700 the rest was history and it's been I don't

00:55:19.660 know some 30 years now almost 30 years

00:55:22.260 of just trying to be a good human and

00:55:25.280 filling up that Goodwill bank account

00:55:26.580 I don't think I've ever heard the

00:55:30.020 helicopter story I think that was the

00:55:31.620 first time I've heard that actually yeah

00:55:33.660 there you go true story I would have

00:55:35.980 remembered it if I heard no I'm glad

00:55:37.740 you're talking about this I tend to take

00:55:39.460 and you're talking about our creator

00:55:40.920 you're talking about a spiritual

00:55:41.920 perspective but I I tend to lean more

00:55:43.980 into that in fact I I often think of

00:55:46.320 the parable of the talents you know I I've

00:55:48.940 been blessed by my creator with a certain

00:55:51.080 set of skills and characteristics and

00:55:53.160 and and opportunities who am I to hide

00:55:58.220 those things who am I to bury those

00:55:59.960 things right in the parable of the

00:56:02.000 talents teaches us that we are to take

00:56:03.760 those and deploy them for the betterment

00:56:07.100 of other people and then if we can do

00:56:08.740 that enough and Zig Ziglar says this help

00:56:11.340 enough people get what they want and you

00:56:13.180 will inevitably get what you want so I

00:56:15.420 don't care if you're looking at it from a

00:56:16.940 a secular perspective or a spiritual

00:56:19.440 perspective we all agree in the same

00:56:21.560 thing and we can all see that there's

00:56:23.560 something above and beyond just happenstance

00:56:27.640 or chaos it's definitely not that no no no at

00:56:32.360 best it's probably organized chaos that that

00:56:34.960 is meaningful to our creator but to us

00:56:37.120 monkey-brained humans we're just like I

00:56:39.280 don't get this but I do believe there is

00:56:41.340 always divine some type of divine

00:56:43.040 intervention that takes place and if we

00:56:45.440 listen to our the voices within which

00:56:49.340 these days there's so much external

00:56:52.260 pinging that happens social media 24-hour

00:56:55.500 news on the mainstream media that we're

00:56:58.220 not really going inward listening to our

00:56:59.900 consciousness to our inner thoughts to

00:57:01.760 the inner dialogue that takes place I

00:57:04.060 think this is why like when you're in the

00:57:05.360 shower you have some of your best

00:57:06.540 thoughts and you figure things out it's

00:57:07.980 the only place you don't take your iPhone

00:57:09.360 with you and so you actually have a few

00:57:11.620 moments 10-12 minutes to actually go

00:57:14.480 inward and when you do you realize like

00:57:16.460 oh I'm doing something that's

00:57:17.880 incongruent with my life I'm doing

00:57:19.560 something that I wouldn't be proud of if

00:57:21.020 my kids found out I'm doing something

00:57:23.060 that I know I should do better at but I'm

00:57:25.540 not and I have a gift and I'm not sharing

00:57:27.880 it if there was a God if there's a

00:57:30.380 universal consciousness what would they

00:57:32.280 think of me you know it's like oh shit

00:57:34.880 okay I better do something about it and

00:57:36.680 not enough of us are listening to that

00:57:38.120 voice I was taught early on by my mentor

00:57:40.640 Jim Franco to listen to that inner

00:57:42.540 voice and it was probably one of the

00:57:44.240 greatest gifts I've gotten

00:57:45.340 well it's funny when you said oh shit

00:57:49.000 because I've I've had those words echo in

00:57:51.520 my mind an infinite number of times like

00:57:53.800 oh shit this is what you're trying to

00:57:55.600 tell me the entire time and it's like

00:57:57.940 yeah like 10 years ago I was trying to

00:58:01.060 tell you this and you didn't listen and

00:58:02.800 it got progressively worse until you

00:58:04.920 decided it was too painful and then you

00:58:07.320 actually listen to me and man I've had

00:58:10.120 that thought echo in my mind an

00:58:12.160 infinite number of times I can't even

00:58:13.560 explain it yeah we are we're I like the

00:58:16.840 idea of stillness though yeah yeah I mean

00:58:20.200 there's something in it it's why like

00:58:22.280 when you go on a on a you know what do

00:58:24.840 they say I'm gonna go on a hike for the

00:58:26.300 next five days somewhere where I where I

00:58:28.400 don't have reception and then what

00:58:30.340 happens you come back and you have this

00:58:32.020 look in your eye and people like damn

00:58:33.500 dude you seem like you seem very tapped

00:58:36.080 into who you are you're like yeah I've

00:58:38.080 discovered myself I found myself why do

00:58:40.460 we have to go somewhere where we are not

00:58:42.420 connected to be able to find ourselves I

00:58:45.120 think it's stillness it's going internal

00:58:47.580 or people that go to a three-day yoga

00:58:49.780 retreat where help when they come to the

00:58:51.880 project the first thing we do is we take

00:58:53.340 all their technology away I don't care if

00:58:54.980 it's a whoop on your arm or an iPhone for

00:58:58.220 75 hours you are disconnected and the number

00:59:00.800 one thing we hear from these guys was

00:59:02.800 like man it was so freeing to be

00:59:04.160 disconnected from technology to not know

00:59:06.800 what's happening in the world for those

00:59:08.140 75 hours tell us instructors we don't

00:59:10.580 even wear watches so they can't tell what

00:59:12.140 time it is they can just tell it's

00:59:13.240 daytime and nighttime because they see the

00:59:15.000 outside every now and again outside of

00:59:17.120 that they go you know it was one of the

00:59:19.100 greatest feelings ever to be free and as

00:59:21.240 I was crawling for miles on in that pit

00:59:23.160 to just go internal and talk to self and

00:59:25.780 those are the opportunities like like we

00:59:28.020 go to yoga retreats and pay to go on these

00:59:30.200 like wilderness hikes to be able to find

00:59:32.380 ourselves it just cracks me up when we

00:59:34.160 could do that just by being still for 20

00:59:36.600 to 30 minutes at a time every day I mean

00:59:40.100 I think of the same thing at the about the

00:59:42.020 gym no discount to the business that

00:59:43.980 you've created with fit body boot camp but

00:59:45.740 I'm like we have to go into these climate

00:59:47.580 controlled perfectly symmetrical beautiful

00:59:52.600 that the weights are all balanced place to

00:59:55.760 manufacture something that our ancestors

00:59:58.200 would just do on a daily basis not because

01:00:00.840 they wanted to look good but because they

01:00:03.240 wanted to survive right right exactly funny

01:00:07.480 how they were moving logs and and and

01:00:09.780 boulders and trying to figure out how to

01:00:12.140 make a spear and an axe and all of that

01:00:14.580 kept them alive and fit and functional and

01:00:16.960 but it was for survival today you know we

01:00:19.740 sit on our comfortable couch climate

01:00:21.540 controlled we order our food from a from an

01:00:24.300 app and we get upset when the when we can

01:00:26.740 see our food getting jammed up on the

01:00:28.480 highway because the uber driver or

01:00:30.400 whatever grubhub driver is taking a

01:00:32.420 little longer and we've gotten so soft

01:00:34.820 and comfortable and complacent that now we

01:00:37.040 have to go to an air conditioned gym

01:00:38.640 hire a personal trainer like my industry

01:00:41.020 was created because the world has gotten so

01:00:44.020 lazy and complacent it's unfortunate but

01:00:47.380 that's literally the industry that was

01:00:49.180 created and I'm a part of it

01:00:51.300 yeah I mean my girlfriend and I often

01:00:54.880 laugh about this and she and she does it

01:00:56.560 lovingly but she's like your job is so

01:00:58.480 stupid your job is ridiculous and I'm

01:01:00.600 like I know I know it is but it is like

01:01:04.120 it's the reality of the situation we need

01:01:06.240 to have these conversations we need to

01:01:08.000 talk about these things it's such a weird

01:01:10.360 position to be in and look I'm not

01:01:13.220 discounting anybody who needs this sort of

01:01:15.300 thing I personally need it in my life you

01:01:17.760 need the gym in your life so we're not

01:01:19.500 discounting it it's just an interesting

01:01:21.720 phenomenon is all right this is just

01:01:24.400 where we become or sometimes we're too

01:01:26.680 smart for our own goods and this is where

01:01:28.140 we've come to life but I once had this

01:01:30.480 funny conversation with myself this was

01:01:33.060 2014 true story I was sitting in my car

01:01:36.520 eating a bagel with cream cheese it's

01:01:38.980 embarrassing to tell you this story

01:01:40.100 sitting in my car eating a bagel with

01:01:41.700 cream cheese instead of going to the gym

01:01:43.300 that morning I was so stressed and I'm an

01:01:45.780 emotional eater I was an emotional eater

01:01:47.780 I no longer identify as an emotional

01:01:49.620 eater that's not who I am but sitting in

01:01:51.920 my in my GMC truck eating a bagel with

01:01:54.840 cream cheese listening to Howard Stern

01:01:56.420 and Howard Stern is interviewing this guy

01:01:59.300 named Howard Wasden was who was a SEAL

01:02:02.640 Team 6 sniper back in the Mogadishu days

01:02:06.460 like Black Hawk Down days like he was in

01:02:08.560 that era in the 90s and I'm like oh wow

01:02:11.400 okay wow these guys like do crazy shit and

01:02:13.560 here I am like hand-wringing about going

01:02:15.360 to the gym and I'm stressed out because

01:02:17.320 you know fit body boot camp at the time

01:02:19.300 we were building it it was costing me too

01:02:20.860 much and I didn't know how to build it and

01:02:22.960 it was kind of chaotic and I was like

01:02:25.220 all right man if there was a gun to your

01:02:26.640 head I asked myself a gun to my head not

01:02:28.380 like I'm gonna kill myself but if there

01:02:29.560 was a gun to my head could I figure out

01:02:31.580 the answers to everything and I

01:02:32.920 immediately go yes and so sometimes if

01:02:35.860 we just need to operate like there's a

01:02:37.260 gun to our head because you can go take

01:02:39.100 any guy who's like fat lethargic out of

01:02:41.320 shape and claims that he doesn't have

01:02:42.640 time and say hey man I'm gonna put this

01:02:44.700 gun to your head I want I will pull the

01:02:46.660 trigger in 10 minutes if you don't take

01:02:48.060 this piece of paper and this pen and

01:02:50.080 write down everything you need to do to

01:02:51.780 get lean jacked and fit bro he will this

01:02:55.080 fat lethargic guy who claims who has no

01:02:56.900 time will write down his macros he will

01:03:00.320 write down what exercise he needs to do and

01:03:02.140 he will write down how he will find time

01:03:03.880 because he doesn't want the gun to go

01:03:05.640 bang and sometimes we need to operate in

01:03:08.660 life like there is a gun to our head like

01:03:10.700 that level of urgency because there is no

01:03:12.680 shortage of information there's a

01:03:15.000 shortage of action and agency I think

01:03:19.080 the the challenge correct me if you think

01:03:21.220 I'm wrong is that it doesn't really sting

01:03:25.040 until it's too late for example with my

01:03:27.340 marriage I didn't really know there was a

01:03:29.580 problem until she said I wanted to

01:03:31.020 divorce but if I would have been paying

01:03:33.260 attention and I would have been in tune

01:03:36.100 with all the signals I probably could have

01:03:38.940 caught it earlier and maybe even done it

01:03:40.960 done something about it before it got to

01:03:44.060 that point but we don't do that because

01:03:45.520 it's not painful it's just not painful

01:03:47.120 enough right exactly pain is a great

01:03:50.160 motivator what do they say that the

01:03:51.760 carrot or the stick and then Tony Robbins

01:03:54.000 always says we are more likely to want to

01:03:56.280 avoid the stick than to go towards the

01:03:58.820 carrot and so pain is a great motivator

01:04:01.380 hmm will be I want to be respectful of

01:04:05.560 your time I know you've got an important

01:04:06.820 meeting coming up will you just let the

01:04:08.460 guys know where to connect with you learn

01:04:10.240 more about MDK and other projects you

01:04:12.140 have going on including your book which

01:04:14.080 we didn't talk about it man up which is a

01:04:16.580 great book and that came out several

01:04:17.740 years ago but just let the guys know

01:04:19.820 where to connect with you absolutely best

01:04:21.980 place to connect with me is either on

01:04:23.640 Instagram or YouTube at bedrose coolian

01:04:26.200 and of course they can find my book which

01:04:28.220 has now become a national bestseller on

01:04:29.920 Amazon is called man up and Ryan I just

01:04:32.160 want to thank you for the opportunity man

01:04:33.500 you've been a great friend to me over the

01:04:35.260 years have given me the opportunity to be

01:04:37.360 on your show several times and I'm just

01:04:39.620 forever grateful for our relationship

01:04:41.220 likewise brother love you appreciate you

01:04:44.420 thank you for joining us today means a lot

01:04:46.200 to me thank you

01:04:48.480 all right guys I hope you enjoyed the

01:04:52.580 conversation I hope I asked good

01:04:54.180 questions and I don't doubt that that

01:04:56.320 Bedros gave us great answers to consider

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Order of Man - April 09, 2024

BEDROS KEUILIAN ｜ Adversity Introduces a Man to Himself

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