Order of Man - BRADY PESOLA ｜ Stoicism and Christianity？

00:00:00.000 We've all heard of Stoicism, but do we really know what it means, how to implement it in our

00:00:04.260 lives, and whether or not it conflicts with other doctrine we may ascribe to, mainly Christianity?

00:00:10.460 My guest today, Brady Posola, and I strive to answer those questions as we discuss the four

00:00:14.580 cardinal virtues of Stoicism, wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance. We also unpack what

00:00:21.200 Stoicism really means, and contrary to popular belief, it is not the suppression of emotions,

00:00:26.060 how philosophy is the, quote, love of wisdom, why anxiety is not inherently bad, the power in

00:00:32.300 knowing that others are allowed to feel the way that they do, and ultimately going to bed a better

00:00:38.400 man than you woke up. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and

00:00:43.960 boldly charge your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:49.540 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:56.520 you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can

00:01:02.260 call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and

00:01:07.660 the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement, which is going for, going on, well, it's been going

00:01:13.540 for over eight years. I can't believe how much time has gone since we first started this humble

00:01:18.560 little podcast a little over eight years ago, but I am grateful that you're here. I'm grateful

00:01:24.440 that you're tuning in. I'm grateful that you're applying the information. This is just as much

00:01:29.200 for me too, as I need the help in becoming a better man, showing up more fully for the people in my life,

00:01:35.520 and I hope that it has served you in some way. If you are new, we do interviews. We've got a great

00:01:40.280 one with Brady today, and we've had guys like Tim Tebow and Terry Crews and Tim Kennedy and Andy

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00:01:51.400 podcast. It's a phenomenal lineup, and it's a testament to the work that we're doing here, so

00:01:55.980 welcome. By way of announcements today, actually, I don't really have a whole lot of announcements.

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00:02:21.840 get this message of reclaiming and restoring masculinity. So guys, let me introduce you to

00:02:26.200 Brady today. His name, as I said, is Brady Pesola. He's a Marine Corps veteran and runs the Gray Man

00:02:31.740 Project on Instagram, where he focuses on personal safety and survival and security through the adoption

00:02:37.780 of the Gray Man survival strategy. Brady has years, years and years of experience in teaching

00:02:45.040 tactical disciplines from firearms and self-defense and survival, and as a firearms instructor, he's

00:02:50.660 taught everyday civilians, law enforcement, military, special operations personnel. He currently serves

00:02:56.140 as a security consultant and personal security who's looked after politicians, celebrities, high net worth

00:03:02.680 businessmen. Brady also coaches people on using stoic logic and reason to overcome emotional reactions

00:03:09.380 to adverse external stimulus. All this in an effort to improve the happiness and help people live peaceful

00:03:16.120 lives when times get chaotic. Enjoy this one, guys. Brady, what's up, man? Great to see you. I've been following

00:03:23.220 you on the gram for years now, so to be able to make this work is an honor for me.

00:03:27.280 Well, that's an honor for me to hear you say that. It's actually a likewise honor. I've been following

00:03:33.020 you, Porter, man, for many years. What you're doing to help men is beyond reproach, and I appreciate

00:03:39.480 you. Thanks for having me on today. Yeah, you bet. No, you say to help men, and it is. That is our goal,

00:03:44.340 but it's also just to help me. I feel like I need the most help. I had a buddy just the other day. He made

00:03:52.680 an awesome post on Instagram, and him and I have talked about these things, and he says,

00:03:56.100 you know, a lot of the times the things that I post, this is him talking, are reminders for him.

00:04:02.260 It's almost a personal journal as much as it is, even more so than it is telling other people how

00:04:07.540 to live, and I've certainly found that to be the case. So when I say, we should do this,

00:04:12.360 I should really be saying, I should do this. I need to be better at this, that kind of thing.

00:04:17.420 Brother, it's so funny you should say that because a lot of the things that I talk about

00:04:22.540 on Instagram with my posts, it's really just me talking to myself with an audience and holding

00:04:28.640 myself accountable in front of other people, because I think we need that, right? I think

00:04:32.560 we all need to be held accountable to a certain degree, whether it's not ourselves, but other

00:04:37.300 people. And then I think it's almost a litmus test to see if people really are thinking like

00:04:42.920 us. But why should we care if people think like us, right? We should almost ask ourselves

00:04:48.700 that. But in a sense, we all are part of this terrible condition called the human condition

00:04:54.880 for which there is no fear. And so no matter who you are, you're still part of this human

00:05:01.700 condition, what we do every day.

00:05:06.280 Yeah. Yeah. I thought about this concept of accountability that you're saying, and I think

00:05:12.880 it is important. I think the concept of accountability is crucial. It's unfortunate that my

00:05:18.680 self and so many other men that we talk with, their sole source of accountability is through

00:05:26.340 social media. And I'm learning like, I got to have guys in my corner to hold me accountable.

00:05:31.680 I don't need faceless, nameless strangers. I need real human beings, real brothers who see

00:05:39.740 me struggle, see what I'm good at. I see them struggle. I know what they're good at. And they're

00:05:43.760 intimately familiar with my life and vice versa.

00:05:46.980 I agree. I think your brother should hold you accountable, the men in your life. But you know,

00:05:51.420 who actually holds me accountable the most is my wife and my daughter. That who holds me accountable

00:05:56.920 because my wife is my partner. And if she sees me struggle or if, you know, I have, we had a great

00:06:05.700 conversation this morning, we have conversations and she'll tell me her opinions. And that's in my,

00:06:13.080 in reality, the only opinion that really matters to me most is my wife's opinion, because I live with

00:06:17.840 her. I'm a partner with her and raising my child and creating this life that we want to live. And so

00:06:24.000 those are the two people really, and my daughter, you know, and of course I hold my wife accountable.

00:06:29.920 I hold my daughter accountable, right? It's a partnership, right? And my daughter is my daughter.

00:06:33.980 She's my child. So of course I hold her accountable to anything, making sure she's acting right,

00:06:40.140 studying and stuff like that. But I think as men, those of us who are married with families

00:06:45.120 need to look within our families to our wives for accountability and to our children to make sure

00:06:53.000 that we're doing the right thing as well. How do you personally balance that? You know,

00:06:58.700 I've, I've been pretty open about my relational struggles over the past several months.

00:07:03.980 How do you balance the idea that you're saying of accountability with your spouse with not

00:07:10.060 dumping all your baggage on her? Because I think that's the opposite end of the spectrum. And that's

00:07:15.760 what guys see either. I can be a bumbling, babbling idiot in front of my wife, or I can be this guy who

00:07:23.980 doesn't share anything and is locked down like a fault. How do you, and I tended to go more towards

00:07:30.760 that side? Like, Hey, I'm not going to share that with her. I don't want to burden her. Like my motives

00:07:34.460 were, were pure, I think. And yet maybe execution left something to be desired.

00:07:41.480 Trust is such a huge implement when it comes to relationships. You know, I trust that, look,

00:07:47.440 my wife is allowed to have her opinions of me, right? At the end of the day, if she didn't want to be here,

00:07:52.080 she would leave. And look, we can't control that. We can't control what people want to do with their

00:08:00.260 lives, right? If, if, if I share issues with my wife, if I share problems that have her anxieties

00:08:08.220 that I have with her, and her instinct is to leave, then is she really my partner? Right? So my wife,

00:08:17.680 like she, so my wife is actually better at being more compartmentalized with her emotions than I am.

00:08:23.880 I wear my emotions on my sleeve. It's just how I am. I'm more like that. Yeah. That, that doesn't

00:08:28.980 make a person feminine or masculine. It's just how our minds work, right? It's how we, we deal with

00:08:35.700 things, right? My wife is definitely my rock. And, and, and so when I am having a bad day, I will share

00:08:42.200 it with her. I won't dump it on her in the sense of like this, this, or that it's, it's an

00:08:47.300 articulation. Sure. But I also got to trust that my wife is going to give me the best advice because

00:08:51.700 she is my partner. You have to see your spouse as your partner is an equal. Yeah. I got guys that

00:08:57.300 are, you know, I've talked to that are like, Oh my wife is subservient to me and stuff. It's not,

00:09:03.980 not what I want. I wake up every day next to my wife and my daughter and I look at them both and go,

00:09:09.040 I fucking love the shit out of you. And, and so my wife, I trust to talk to about my emotions

00:09:16.700 because that's who you should be able to talk to about your emotions, about what's bothering you,

00:09:21.280 because she should be able to do the same thing with me and talk to me about what's going on in

00:09:24.400 her life and allow me the opportunity to, and, and when you're talking to your spouse, you have to

00:09:30.600 ask, are we solving problems or are we venting? That's very, very much an important clarification

00:09:38.400 because sometimes that person just wants to just dump and just, they've had a bad day and you were

00:09:44.820 there. You're a rock that wish they'd get to dump all that shit and you can't take it personal.

00:09:49.540 That's another thing is people don't realize in relationships, you can't take it personal.

00:09:53.320 Emotions are as they are. That's a primitive part of our mind, our brain that allows us to function,

00:09:59.160 but we also have another part of our mind that allows us to ascend to reason and logic,

00:10:04.180 the cerebral cortex. We have to learn the ability to know the difference between when the cerebral

00:10:10.120 cortex is taking over for logic versus the limbic system is taking over for emotion to react to an

00:10:16.460 external stimulus. We are humans. We are full of this palette, colorful palette of emotions in which

00:10:24.520 we paint a picture. Sometimes that picture is ugly. Sometimes that picture is, is very beautiful,

00:10:31.720 but your partner should be able to listen to you without judgment, accept you for who you are.

00:10:37.740 And if you've been in a relationship long enough, they should. But if, if when you talk to them about

00:10:44.300 how you feel about things happening in your life, about things that are bothering you, or when you wake

00:10:49.280 up with an anxiety or whatever, if their first instinct is to run, were they really your partner?

00:10:57.620 Is that a partnership? And it goes between both men and women. They should be able to listen to each

00:11:05.560 other and talk to each other with comfort, with non-judgment, with acceptance, because that person

00:11:11.200 did in front of you with their vows and said, I'll be with you. And whatever happens, I'm here with you.

00:11:17.400 I'm your partner.

00:11:17.840 Yeah. Well, and I think there's, there's a risk associated with that, with, with both spouses in that, if, if you do share

00:11:27.180 these things, you know, that, that, that, that poses some risk, it's, it's, it's open yourself up to

00:11:34.520 criticism and critique and risk and, and it's, it's vulnerable.

00:11:38.780 Sure, but even criticism.

00:11:39.700 Exposing all of that.

00:11:41.160 Yeah. But what's wrong with taking criticism from your spouse?

00:11:43.960 Yeah. Nothing.

00:11:44.620 What's wrong?

00:11:44.960 As long as it's healthy.

00:11:45.640 If, if it's right, right. They, they, you should be a healthy criticism, right?

00:11:52.080 I do check on my wife, everyone. Are we okay? Is there something that I could be doing better?

00:11:56.340 I think that's important. I think that's the husband and his spouse should stop every once in a while and

00:12:00.700 go, Hey man, am I, am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing? Am I doing enough? Is there something

00:12:06.740 the more that you could be want? Because sometimes people buy that shit up. Sometimes it's really hard

00:12:11.240 for husband and wife to, to really open up to each other because you're sometimes afraid and

00:12:16.760 that's part of human emotion. That doesn't mean that that person that you're afraid to open up to

00:12:20.740 is bad. It's just, we all have our own shit right here. Seneca said, we suffer more in imagination than

00:12:27.400 we do reality. And it doesn't matter how much you trust your best friend, your teacher, your mentor,

00:12:32.400 your wife, whoever is your boss, no matter what great relationship you have, you're still going

00:12:37.240 to contend with this environment right here. That's going to fill you full of doubt, full of

00:12:43.880 insecurity. We human beings are naturally insecure creatures, naturally insecure. That goes through

00:12:50.880 evolution. We've always been insecure because we're always afraid of the opinion of others because

00:12:55.660 way when we're troubled creatures, the opinion of others might've meant our exile, right? And we still

00:13:01.140 carry that with us evolutionary. And so even if you do love and trust your spouse, we're going to

00:13:08.320 have those insecurities because we're sometimes with the locked in the shitty hostile environment

00:13:13.180 right here. Yeah. My wife, go ahead. I was just going to say, it's interesting to, I I've,

00:13:20.360 I've delved into the concept of these attachment styles lately. I'm, I don't know if you're familiar

00:13:25.460 with the idea and concept of anxious attachment styles versus avoidant attachment styles and how

00:13:31.440 people respond to everyday life, respond to threats. I tend to be an anxious attachment style. So if

00:13:39.220 there's an obstacle in front of me, I'm all in. And, you know, for an avoidant who deals with it,

00:13:45.780 maybe internally or by keeping it at arm's length, that creates a lot of friction because the anxious

00:13:53.920 needs to address it. The avoidant doesn't want to address it in the way the anxious does. And it's,

00:14:00.120 it's tough, man. It's tough. So we bring, we bring our own baggage and there's pros and cons of both

00:14:04.900 the anxious and the avoidant, but man, that baggage is tough, especially when you're partnered with

00:14:09.120 somebody who it handles confrontation, we'll say, or conflict, or maybe even criticism

00:14:15.440 in a different way than you do. That's a challenge.

00:14:18.420 My wife absolutely handles things more stoic than I do, especially, which is funny for someone who

00:14:25.940 practices stoicism, like I do. My wife compartmentalizes, she internalizes quite a bit.

00:14:33.800 And, and I have to pull it out of her. There's something I have to, have to work on, pull it out

00:14:39.020 of her. Now, a lot of people say, well, why should I have to pull something on my spouse?

00:14:42.560 Because why not? That's your spouse. It's the person you love. And if there's something bothering

00:14:48.500 them, why not help them with it? Even if you've got to pull it out of them, even if you, you've got

00:14:53.560 to reach in there and constantly like, like, like pick at it, pick at it, you know, there's something

00:14:59.120 and you don't want them to have to suffer in something. No one, look at suffering.

00:15:06.780 Suffering can have meaning, but suffering alone is one of the lowest experiences that people

00:15:11.700 really truly don't understand. See, you know, the veteran community, we talk about suicide,

00:15:17.040 depression, PTSD, and things like that. PTSD doesn't cause suicide. Loneliness causes suicide.

00:15:25.360 It's one of those heartbreaking feelings a person can experience when they don't feel that their

00:15:29.960 existence is warranted, that they don't feel that they, they are part of anything. When they feel

00:15:34.460 absolutely like my existence means nothing to anybody, I should just end it. That's loneliness. And so

00:15:40.440 you never want your partner to feel like that. You want to drag it out. Even if it's hard and hard,

00:15:45.780 they're going to get mad at you. They're going to upset at you at the end of the day when they

00:15:49.220 finally communicate to you. But you also have to ask yourself, are you pulling it out of them

00:15:55.380 from you? Or are you pulling it out of them with them to help? And that's another thing that you have

00:16:02.420 to really ask yourself. Am I pulling it out of them because of perceived anxiety, that something

00:16:09.260 is my fault and I want to relieve that situation, which can be considered selfish, right? Or is there

00:16:14.800 something really bothering them that maybe I can help solve, right? But sometimes you just got to

00:16:22.200 let them go. You just got to let them, let them, let them overcome it. You got to let them work through

00:16:26.900 it. Some people will work through it through silence and that you have to accept that. And

00:16:31.860 some people work through it like you and me who, who fights the anxiety because so what people don't

00:16:36.640 understand is anxiety isn't necessarily a bad thing. We know it's, we feel it's a bad thing because it

00:16:41.340 makes it feel like shit, right? But anxiety is a natural response to your brain trying to solve

00:16:48.400 a perceived problem in the future. Again, that's evolutionary, right? The problem is with anxiety is we

00:16:55.980 it will, it will eat at you until you try and solve that problem. And once you solve that problem,

00:17:01.720 it goes to the next problem. What about this? What about that? It's about what is them inside

00:17:05.040 your mind. So after a while, you got to be like, Hey, look, shut the fuck up. I'm going to go do a

00:17:09.260 cold bath, go PT, go to the gym. I'm going to have a sip of alcohol. I'm going to do what I can

00:17:14.200 to just quiet the noise until I can figure out the most logical, rational process of this. And that's

00:17:21.640 where we have to, we have to fight. We have to use the cerebral cortex of logic to fight

00:17:25.720 the amygdala and the limbic system that's sitting there chewing on stuff, trying to say, Hey, we have

00:17:31.020 a problem. What problem is that? Well, this might happen in the future, but it hasn't happened. What

00:17:35.580 the fuck are you talking about? Okay. We need to do breathing exercises. We got to, we got to do

00:17:39.880 something to get the mind to stop chewing on something. So what we take up hobbies, we take up a PT,

00:17:45.000 we take up jujitsu, we take a podcast. Uh, we do everything we can to try and distract our brain

00:17:50.900 from whatever little nasty bullshit that's happening in there. Yeah. Yeah. That, I mean,

00:17:58.140 there's, and there's healthy distraction techniques, right? And there's unhealthy, you said alcohol.

00:18:03.340 Um, like I, I'm not going to, I'm not going to beat up drinking. I mean, I, I've, I've been

00:18:08.480 overcoming alcohol addiction over the past eight months or so. Uh, for me, like that can't be an

00:18:14.660 option because I know where it goes. It leads to a bad place. Like you said, sip of alcohol. I don't

00:18:19.660 know what a sip of anything means. Like, I don't, it does not compute to me. So I, I have to avoid

00:18:24.780 that. But at the same time, I can, I can channel that energy towards healthy and productive outlets

00:18:31.400 like the gym or jujitsu or podcasting or reaching out to friends or making to do lists, you know, like

00:18:38.380 this is, this is what, this is what I do, whatever I can do to, to quiet the noise and

00:18:44.180 you know, the other thing you said, which was interesting. And I want to, I wanted to

00:18:48.000 hit on this is you said to draw it out of your spouse. And I think you alluded to this.

00:18:54.080 You, I think we should evaluate our motives for doing so, because I know at times when I would

00:19:00.800 try to draw it out of, uh, my ex-wife, I, it, it really wasn't actually about her. If I'm being

00:19:08.920 honest, it wasn't that I wanted to help her. It was that I needed to get that information

00:19:15.940 for myself. So the motive was selfish. It wasn't selfless. It wasn't me serving and leading.

00:19:22.600 It was me trying to extract from the situation, something I needed, not something that she

00:19:27.600 needed. If there was a problem with you, how can I solve that problem? And one of those things is if

00:19:34.280 we have to accept that people are allowed to not forgive you, people are allowed to not

00:19:44.240 accept your apology. People are allowed to go now what you did or what you said. And I'm not,

00:19:49.740 I'm not pertaining to you or anything like that. I know what you mean. In general, always, um,

00:19:54.740 people are allowed to say, uh, what you did was fucked up and I can't, I can't accept that. And yes,

00:19:58.940 I'm going to be angry. It's the problem is we human beings, we don't like it when someone doesn't

00:20:02.880 think of us. We have to get over that, but it's a human nature. People talk about, I don't give a

00:20:08.800 fuck what you think. Yeah. In the end, you still do. Yes, you do. You like to say that because it

00:20:13.940 makes you feel better. And we all want to be able to ignore that someone doesn't like us, but we also

00:20:19.440 as human beings with empathy, with compassion, we hate to feel like someone's mad at us because we,

00:20:26.600 we wronged them because we did something bad. Unless you're a narcissist or a fucking sociopath.

00:20:30.900 Most of us feel bad because we don't want someone to feel bad because of us. And so we're drawing

00:20:37.200 something out of our partner or drawing something out of someone that's mad at us. We want to solve

00:20:40.860 that issue, but why? So sometimes it might be because, Hey, look, it was a misunderstanding.

00:20:46.720 I apologize. And I want you to know, I didn't mean to make you feel like that. And, and what can I do

00:20:51.040 to, to right the wrong? Some of us are like, I'm really anxious that the person's mad at me.

00:20:55.080 Oh, you're not mad at me. Okay, cool. Whatever. Fuck your problem. See you later.

00:20:58.300 Right. So we have to really ask ourselves, right? What is, you're right. What is our motive?

00:21:03.860 Do we, do we want to solve this person's problem? Because none of us, we must like someone feeling

00:21:09.020 a bad way because something we did. Is that because we truly have empathy and compassion?

00:21:14.900 When I say, yeah, we may be, you know, fucked up or is it because like, Oh, good. Yeah. Oh,

00:21:20.260 you got a problem, but it's not me. I can see you later. You want to talk about it? Oh yeah,

00:21:24.360 sure. Oh, sure. Let's, let's talk about, okay, good. You're good. See you later. Right. There's

00:21:28.320 a difference in, in intent and motive, and there's a difference in, in actually having

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00:22:32.820 I've thought about this as it relates to people's responses. You know, I, I used to think that

00:22:38.780 most of what I did, I did for, for myself because it was the right thing to do. Like I'm going to do,

00:22:48.160 uh, I'm going to buy this present for this person because it's the right thing, or I'm going to,

00:22:52.220 I'm going to say this thing because it's the right thing to do, or I'm going to follow through on this

00:22:55.480 commitment because it's the right thing to do. And, you know, as, as my world gets rocked a little

00:22:59.960 bit by my own doing, I'll add that in there. And that's important. Uh, I've really evaluated when the

00:23:08.640 external response is taken away. You really begin to see if you're doing things for the inherent,

00:23:18.180 like goodness of doing it, or if you were doing it for accolades and validation.

00:23:23.200 And I've found, and it's crazy. I've found that more often than I'd like to admit,

00:23:28.120 the reason I did the quote unquote, right thing was because I was going to get validation.

00:23:34.000 I was going to get approval. Uh, somebody was going to acknowledge it. And it was not

00:23:40.440 the inherent motive of doing the right thing. It was what I would get by doing the right thing.

00:23:45.720 If that makes sense. Absolutely. It makes sense. It actually goes deeper than that.

00:23:49.580 What do we get when we do something good for someone, when we go to the gym, when we go,

00:23:53.880 when we hug somebody or make love to somebody, what are we given my own brain?

00:24:00.180 Validation chemicals. Yeah, sure. Oh, right. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:03.560 That validation stimulates dopamine, right? That's why we do social media posts. We're trying

00:24:08.100 to do good for people, right? There's a reason why it's called reward chemicals, epinephrine,

00:24:13.140 the dopamine, serotonin, and oxytocin. These are the four things that flood our system.

00:24:18.060 That's what we cherish after we're looking for. We have anxiety. It's a lack of serotonin.

00:24:23.700 How do we get serotonin? Well, we try and do the easiest thing possible, right? The hardship

00:24:27.960 that takes a lot, but the easiest way, the path of least resistance, the human way,

00:24:32.880 same as electricity, path of least resistance. If we go right to something that we know is going

00:24:37.400 to stimulate that or elicit that immediate reward chemical.

00:24:43.020 Yeah. We want to mainline that stuff, don't we?

00:24:45.100 Food. Yeah. Food, sugars, fucking alcohol, fucking. Okay. I want to, I want to solve this

00:24:50.740 problem right now because the feeling of anxiety is mother. It sucks, especially waking up in the

00:24:55.860 middle of the night and you're having a mental ass whooping. You're having a fucking battle on the mat

00:25:00.840 with your mind and you're like, what can I do right now? What can I do to solve this? What can

00:25:05.880 I do? I can either work through it, do some breathing exercises, meditation, or I can go find

00:25:11.740 myself a little bit of drinky poo, have a little shot, try and relax it. I'm not saying that's a

00:25:16.000 bad thing, right? Having a shot every once in a while, relax the nerves. Hey, look, every one of us,

00:25:20.040 we're all human beings, right? But when you take it further than that, that's a problem. That is a

00:25:24.500 problem. And I recognize that as a problem. Um, cause I've had the problem myself, right?

00:25:29.740 One, there were one is none, two is one kind of thing, you know, like when you, yeah, absolutely.

00:25:35.060 I agree. You know? Um, so we have to understand more of our physiology. If we're going to help

00:25:41.800 ourselves, our motives, our psychology, we have to understand physiology. When I started studying

00:25:47.260 Stokes philosophy, you know, I went to a counselor a few years ago and all they did was add their

00:25:52.680 back to me and just wrote nails. No one, they weren't listening to me. Uh, I went back to the

00:25:57.820 old adage of like, if you want things done, right, you got to do it yourself. So I fucking

00:26:01.320 made a heart. I hate the philosophy. I hate psychology and I hate, uh, physiology. I think

00:26:06.160 the support is the three piece. I had this conversation, uh, with Marcus Aurelius Anderson, uh, on his

00:26:12.440 podcast. And he had mentioned, he's like, well, there's a fourth. And that was practice.

00:26:18.460 Cool and all to understand this stuff, but it's another thing to put it in practice. You can

00:26:21.780 understand it. You can read it and you can preach about it. But until you practice it yourself,

00:26:26.060 that's a whole different ball game right there. I'm writing this down here. Yeah. Keep going.

00:26:32.740 Keep going. Yeah. Uh, every day is a practice, right? You said physiology, psychology, and philosophy,

00:26:40.240 philosophy, and then the practice of it. And when I say philosophy, I'm not talking about the

00:26:44.720 fucking weird hippie shit. Like, yeah, man, what if like the universe and the stars and like,

00:26:50.100 uh, no, I'm talking about pragmatic, practical philosophy, like stoicism. It's a Hellenistic

00:26:56.660 philosophy that came after platonic philosophy. Um, you have skepticism, stoicism, and cynicism.

00:27:03.780 Um, they also have Epicureanism, uh, which they misattribute to like hedonism, like the Christians

00:27:09.080 talk about, oh, that's hedonic and, and all this stuff actually is more rational, logical as well.

00:27:14.740 But when it comes to stoicism, um, when it comes to being a good man or being, being a good partner,

00:27:22.960 there's four cardinal virtues in stoicism that for Christians out there listening to this, we'll

00:27:28.240 go, oh yeah, I've heard this before. And that is wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance.

00:27:33.140 And that's also my standard for masculinity being a man. So let's talk about, right. So

00:27:40.960 before you get in, hold on, before you get into that, I do want to ask you a question that, in fact,

00:27:45.200 this question came up last week when we do our ask him anything for the podcast. And it seems like one

00:27:49.980 that gets brought up a lot because you talk about stoicism and then you, you also just mentioned

00:27:53.620 Christianity. There's a lot of people out there that believe for one reason or the other. And I don't,

00:27:59.140 I actually don't know what the dilemma or the conflict is that if you're a practicing Christian,

00:28:04.240 then you should not be practicing stoicism. I think they overlap nicely. I can't see the

00:28:12.000 disconnect, but it seems like there's a lot of men who have asked me about this question. I'm

00:28:16.400 curious what your take on that is. I have been on Instagram lives where I just mentioned stoicism

00:28:22.140 and all men. I know. It was anathema. It was absolutely anathema of what the problem is,

00:28:28.820 is when we are seeking virtue, when we are seeking both the practice of, of, of ensuring

00:28:37.960 our place in the afterlife, right? Right. The idea that getting into heaven is, is being a good

00:28:45.860 person, living a good life. Um, stoicism and, and Christianity actually overlap quite a bit. Um,

00:28:58.960 this is going to, ah, man, this is going to cause, uh, a little bit of drama, right? So

00:29:03.420 you can actually go, bring it on. You can actually look up stoicism and Christianity. In fact, Thomas

00:29:08.280 Aquinas, I don't know if you've heard the term Tomism as a practice of philosophy. Tom, uh, Thomas

00:29:13.920 Aquinas is a big, uh, big name in the Catholic church along with Plato actually, believe it

00:29:18.540 or not, but, uh, Plato had a very, very large, um, influence on the Catholic church. Um, and

00:29:27.620 so did Thomas Aquinas. Thomas Aquinas was one of the greatest known philosophers out there.

00:29:31.200 And he was, um, he was, he was, he was, he was St. Aquinas, right? He was, he was so, so

00:29:37.540 much important that they, they sanctified, they gave him sainthood. Um, but Thomas Aquinas

00:29:43.340 talked about natural free will, uh, natural God's will, right? For the longest time, I

00:29:48.240 was actually, I was agnostic, borderline atheist. Um, stoicism actually helped me find my way

00:29:55.880 back to God. Um, not through faith. Faith is a gift. Faith is an absolute gift to be able

00:30:01.960 to put your faith into something and not have to worry about something because you feel that

00:30:07.320 your faith, you were faith. Wow, man, what a beautiful gift and something that I've always

00:30:12.020 been envious of. And, and those out there should treasure it, love it, hold onto it and never

00:30:17.420 question it. I have been given the gift of reason, right? I used to ask myself, I said,

00:30:26.320 everything happens to according to reason. And Stoics say according to nature, but when they talk

00:30:33.100 about the logos, the logos, the Stoics use the term logos quite a bit and Christians adopted it.

00:30:38.000 Logos means the word, the word of who? That was a question in my mind. It was like, that's one that

00:30:44.560 got me. It was like, everything happens according to reason. Whose reason? Oh shit. Oh, oh, that's a

00:30:50.300 great question. Whose reason? Because reason doesn't exist without intent. Intent by who?

00:30:55.700 All right. So we have to ask ourselves, is God according to reason or is God

00:30:59.920 the product of reason or does God create reason? I believe that. I was going to say, I believe that,

00:31:10.340 but also I'm trying to look at it from the other perspective. Maybe it's not reason. Maybe it's just

00:31:17.540 the natural order of things as in nature has just worked out an efficient way of operating and operates

00:31:25.320 by principles. Well, that's, and that's, that's been a long debated topic, right? Theology is such

00:31:33.320 a hotly debated topic, right? And even within the same theology, like Christians, Christians disagree

00:31:41.100 with Christians, Muslims disagree with Muslims, right? How you practice this, who you believe in

00:31:47.540 is different. And because if you don't believe the way I do, you're a bad person. Oh, that's

00:31:53.300 interesting. Same with Christianity, Baptists, Methodists, Lutheran. I come from other Minnesota,

00:31:58.620 Scandinavian. We love our Lutheranism. Most are Lutherans because Martin Luther went North. Martin

00:32:03.520 Luther was excommunicated from the Catholic church, right? He started his own. He got Episcopalians,

00:32:09.280 Catholic white as well, right? So you have all these different things and everyone says,

00:32:13.520 if you don't believe the way I do, then Jesus is going to put you in hell or God's going to put you

00:32:19.360 hell or you're not practicing it right or the right way. I have a friend of mine who him and I go back

00:32:24.780 and forth. He's a wonderful man. I respect him so much. He's not a big fan of my use of stoicism

00:32:30.940 because Christians believe it puts your, all your faith in God, in Jesus. And that is your way to

00:32:36.820 heaven. You know, only through Jesus can you go to heaven, which, Hey, fair enough.

00:32:42.480 I love me some Jesus. I absolutely do. Whether it's the man or the, the deity, right? Good guy.

00:32:52.340 Absolutely. Wonderful guy. You can't argue that. Wonderful guy. Um, but philosophy is a love of

00:32:58.320 wisdom. That's what philosophy is. Philo, love, Sophie, wisdom. Why couldn't we see Jesus as a

00:33:07.080 philosopher? As a philosopher, as a philosopher of, of religion, just the same way we saw Thomas

00:33:12.260 Aquinas as a philosopher for the church, right? Why can't we, why can't we accept philosophy,

00:33:18.620 the love of wisdom? Jesus was a very wise man. So was Thomas Aquinas. So was many people in our

00:33:23.900 history. You know, the Stoics were polytheists. Well, I'll correct that. Stoics believe Zeus as the

00:33:32.980 one true God, uh, the Greek, I'm sorry, the Roman, the Roman ones, right? I was going to say

00:33:38.320 you're using that. You're saying that broadly, but that's not broadly applicable. Is it Stoicism?

00:33:44.160 Their, their, their God is Zeus. Is that what you're saying? Well, I mean, look at the time,

00:33:49.440 2,500 years ago, right? Uh, Romans believed, I mean, you have Greek Stoics and you have Roman Stoics,

00:33:55.000 and there's a, there's a split at a certain point where Romans adopted Stoicism and, and went about

00:33:59.960 their way. And Greeks practiced it. The earlier, the early Greeks practiced it, right? Like Zeno,

00:34:05.140 um, and, and those guys, Crispus, and, and they were the Greek Stoics. And then the Romans picked

00:34:11.720 it up later on because there was so much, um, influence between the two Italian and Greek

00:34:16.560 cultures being there. Right. Okay. So the architecture, you can see a philosophy and

00:34:20.200 things like that. Right. So the gods are interchangeable, but in the end of the day, I mean,

00:34:23.540 they were the early ones were polytheistic and believe it or not, the later Roman Stoics became

00:34:28.340 monotheistic more about Zeus. Um, and, and Hey, that's the true God, but you know, they use the

00:34:34.300 term logos interchangeably, like things happen according to nature. And that's what the Stoics

00:34:39.640 had talked about according to nature. Um, but then they would also reference Zeus or they would

00:34:44.960 reference God, or they would reference logos, right? It was mostly interchangeable, right? There

00:34:49.140 is something out there. Basically when it boils down to that is a divine designer and that you

00:34:55.780 should put your trust on your reason. That's the way they saw it was the logos is according

00:35:03.960 to reason. And because we human beings have a brain capable of reason, we possess a share

00:35:10.380 in the divine divinity, what that means to other people that that's varies between, um, religions.

00:35:19.780 Well, even I, even people who don't believe in God, you hear them talk about divinity in

00:35:27.160 an interesting way. They use terms like the universe or a karma is another one. And they'll

00:35:33.180 use these terms. And then when you hear it, you're like, well, you're define that for me.

00:35:38.180 And they, and they tell me what they mean. I'm like, okay, well, that's what I understand

00:35:40.940 God to be. So you say you don't believe in God, but you do believe in a higher being. You're

00:35:46.840 just calling it the universe, some cosmic force with some sort of intelligence that's guiding

00:35:54.180 and directing. That's, that's God. They have a hard time saying that they'd rather use the

00:36:00.420 term universe or karma or any other, you know, fill in the blank type terms.

00:36:05.520 And my, so my question is, so the way I call it is, is intellectual intent. There's intellectual

00:36:11.820 intent by something, right? There's an intellectual being out there. Um, whether it's the universe

00:36:18.500 is intellectual being of some sorts, right? I can't describe that the same way I can't

00:36:23.060 describe God, but I'm okay with them not believing God, if they believe the universe, if they believe

00:36:31.640 in something that makes them feel good about their death, but also gives them a reason to

00:36:39.820 be a good person. Yes. Karma is intent. Karma, right? The Buddhists believe in karma or is it

00:36:46.520 Hindus apologize? Forgive me if I've been culturally incorrect on that one. But, uh, karma, we know

00:36:52.180 is if you do wrong, wrong will happen back to you instantaneously or for the three years, right?

00:36:58.740 Same thing with Christians. You know, if you do wrong now, you'll answer for it when you die.

00:37:03.940 Same thing with Muslims. You do wrong now. You'll answer for it, um, in front of, uh, in front of

00:37:13.020 their deity, whether it's Muhammad or whether it's Allah, which is an Abrahamic language. Jews,

00:37:18.580 Christians, and Muslims all share the same idea of God. I know that's going to create anathema.

00:37:22.180 Oh my gosh. We're all Abrahamic. I mean, we're Christians, you are Muslim. You're an Abrahamic, um,

00:37:28.700 well, and isn't, isn't, isn't, isn't the, uh, in, in, in Muslim, look, I'm not. Islam is just

00:37:36.520 another recognizes Jesus as a prophet, right? And vice versa. Muhammad is a prophet. Like it's,

00:37:43.780 you know, so. Yeah. So, I mean, in all of that, when it comes down to stoicism,

00:37:50.980 I mean, if you look at, so if you look at Islam during the dark ages, Christian dark ages,

00:37:57.960 Islam is responsible for beautiful creation of some philosophical orders. They create the number

00:38:03.600 zero. And we know math comes from philosophy as well. Pythagoreas was a philosopher, right?

00:38:11.600 And during the Christian dark ages, when they were, you know, going after each other,

00:38:15.760 cause you didn't believe my way of, uh, celebrating Jesus or whatever it was,

00:38:20.740 it was Islam that held onto philosophy that held onto Plato, Socrates and, and Aristotle. They held on

00:38:28.840 through math, science, held on to all these things. So every religion, I think, um, plays a,

00:38:37.160 a big part in the creation and celebration of wisdom. And some of that comes down to is wisdom,

00:38:45.760 being a wise person. So philosophy is a pragmatic philosophy, you know, and for the four cardinal

00:38:53.400 virtues of wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance, it's the same for Christians. They still believe in

00:38:57.820 that. If you look at, if you talk to, uh, masons, one of their far cardinal virtues, wisdom, courage,

00:39:03.340 justice, and temperance. I think we can all universally get along. You know, wisdom is

00:39:07.960 knowing what's in your control, what's on your control. Don't worry about what's on your control.

00:39:12.340 Worry about what's in your control, your emotions, and subsequently your actions, courage, action in

00:39:19.480 the face of adversity. It doesn't have to get any more complicated than that it's action in the face

00:39:24.800 of adversity. This bothers me, but I'm still going to go forward with it because I know it's the right

00:39:29.660 thing to do because I know what's within my control. I'm going to use wisdom to help me with this

00:39:33.460 courage, to act in the face of adversity, right? Justice. So when we talk about justice and stoicism,

00:39:40.280 we're not talking about malum and say, or malum prohibitum or anything like that with man's, um,

00:39:46.500 legal. We're talking about how you treat people, how people treat you, how you even treat people

00:39:51.980 despite how they treat you. Justice is kindness, dignity, respect. I had this conversation with

00:39:58.280 somebody recently. I talked to, it's like, well, my wife is trying to weaponize, my ex-wife is trying

00:40:02.580 to weaponize my kids against me. And my kids say all sorts of horrible things to me that my wife

00:40:08.000 says, my ex-wife says about me. And I want to respond back. I want to tell them, it's like, but why?

00:40:14.620 What's the point? Why not hold the moral high ground, the virtue high ground? Why not embrace

00:40:19.400 virtue and say, you know what? If your mother feels that way about me, then she's right to say it.

00:40:24.720 But I love your mother. And I think she's a good person. And despite her feelings against me,

00:40:30.500 that's her feelings. Your feelings are your own. And you're allowed to adopt that. If you think that

00:40:35.420 what your mother says is true, then I can't control that. I can tell you otherwise,

00:40:39.660 but it's treating people with kindness, dignity, respect, regardless of how they treat you, because

00:40:44.940 it's not just for them. It's for your peace. It's for in here. No matter what it is, it's,

00:40:51.800 it's about you saying, you know what, I'm going to embrace virtue. I'm going to embrace the good

00:40:56.220 because I have the capability for both reason and evil. And evil is rejection of reason, right?

00:41:03.260 It's not to say having emotions or evil. Of course not. Emotions are good. Love, you know,

00:41:09.480 that's a great emotion, right? We, we love our children, right? We don't reject love because

00:41:14.320 it's simple emotion. We embrace emotion when it's, when it's appropriate. The people talk about

00:41:19.900 stoicism, they think it's the rejection of emotion, like you're going to be spocked. No, that's, that is,

00:41:24.960 that is a complete mis, misrepresentation of stoicism. Stoicism is the objective view of

00:41:32.200 emotions are happening and your ability to act under the influence of reason, despite those emotions,

00:41:37.900 right? So we, we know logically that we should never act under the influence of drugs or alcohol,

00:41:43.760 clouds or judgment. Same thing with emotions. Emotions cloud our mind. Same thing with this illicit,

00:41:49.460 you know, if you list that serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine and, and, and oxytocin, we feel great

00:41:55.780 about ourselves, but we still make decisions on the influence of those that will lead to negative

00:42:00.460 outcomes, right? So if we embrace logic and reason, and this is where a physiology comes in,

00:42:09.840 we embrace the cerebral cortex part of our brain and say, all right, I'm going to embrace logic.

00:42:16.120 What are some things that I can do to embrace the logic of the situation? Well, Seneca said,

00:42:21.400 we are more frightened and hurt. We suffer more in imagination than we do reality. That's a beautiful

00:42:25.500 piece of logic is as simple as it is. It's very profound. It's something to remind yourself because

00:42:29.200 when you're fearing the future, when you're fearing something else, you go, I'm just imagining that

00:42:35.120 right now. That's tomorrow's problem. Today, if I want to find peace, I embrace what I'm happening

00:42:39.280 right now. Or even, even something on a, like a micro level, I think about, you know, conversations

00:42:45.420 you might have with somebody or, you know, maybe, maybe your spouse does something or a friend does

00:42:50.300 something. And then you make up this story in your mind about how evil they are and they're out to get

00:42:54.920 you. And the quote that comes to mind is never attribute to malice, what could be attributed to

00:43:00.700 stupidity. But I would also say just their perception and your own perception. But then

00:43:08.100 what happens, at least for me is let's say I feel slighted by you, Brady. So I go to you like a

00:43:15.700 mature man would do. And I say, Hey, Brady, you did or said this thing. And you know, I didn't

00:43:19.880 appreciate that. Can you help me understand what was happening there? And you explain it. I'm like,

00:43:23.860 Oh, got it. Completely misread the situation.

00:43:27.400 That is an adult conversation that we need to have with each other as human beings, but we don't

00:43:32.740 because what we think is they slighted me. I'm either going to get revenge or I'm going to let

00:43:37.740 fester in my mind, like a, like an infection. I'm going to get worse and worse. I'm going to make up

00:43:42.540 all these scenarios. Oh yeah. I bet you would do this. I bet you would do that. I bet you would say

00:43:46.600 this. Right. And then we actually get the courage action in the face of adversity and go,

00:43:54.260 Hey Ryan, look, man, you said this, and this made me feel a certain way. Now you can respond

00:43:59.340 one, two ways. You're like, Oh, please let's, let's tell me, tell me about it. Please let me

00:44:04.700 help. How can I make this right? Okay. I don't feel like this was my fault. I think there's a

00:44:08.700 misunderstanding and miscommunication. And I would love to square this away with you. Please. Thank

00:44:13.740 you so much for bringing it to my attention because as adults, we should appreciate when someone brings

00:44:18.780 something to us, when someone says, Hey, this made me feel a certain way. All right, great. It takes

00:44:22.900 maturity and logic on both sides to be able to do that. What, what happens? Ryan, um, this made me

00:44:29.040 probably, okay, well, that's your problem. Not my fucking problem. Don't be a little bit.

00:44:33.300 Right. That's not, that's not, that's not justice. That's not the, the stoic justice that I'm talking

00:44:39.300 about. That's, that's nasty. That's shitty. That's, that's nasty human behavior. That is you being

00:44:44.180 defensive. Not you. Please. This is a scenario, right? For those listening, right? Sure. There's nothing

00:44:49.460 between me or by the way, for those listening, there's nothing between you. There's no, there's

00:44:52.680 no backstory here on this. No, there's no, there's no backstory. This is, this is us having a

00:44:57.200 conversation as man to man and, and, and role-playing. This is role-playing. Some of you

00:45:02.260 men, women, you know what I'm talking about. All right. So, um, but, but when someone goes to you

00:45:08.300 and says, you know, I have a problem, they're like, go fuck yourself. Then, you know, the problem

00:45:13.800 at that point isn't with you. That's actually, that's a, that's a, that's a problematic response.

00:45:18.540 That is a red flag. That is, whoa, whoa. Well, I'm trying to bring something to you. I want to,

00:45:22.660 as friends, as, as partners, as spouses, I want to bring this to you and communicate this to you.

00:45:27.880 No, that's your fucking problem. Not my, whoa. Yeah. That's, that's a different, that's not a

00:45:33.480 friendship. That's a relationship. That's not a partnership. That is, that is, whoa, wait a second.

00:45:39.200 There's an adversarial nature there that we have, we have no idea existed. Right. Um, so I think as

00:45:47.960 adults, right. And this is what Thoesna has taught me is that when I have an issue, someone,

00:45:56.480 um, Marcus really said, I can bring it up to him and correct him gently or not. But if I love it

00:46:02.760 faster in my own mind, if I don't bring it to him, that's my problem, not their problem. It only becomes

00:46:07.440 their problem when you've actually brought it up to him. And even that point, you have to come at

00:46:12.500 an unemotional, even though it's an inherently emotional subject, right? You have to come at

00:46:16.520 logical and not be accusatory. You have to come and say, Hey, uh, can we, can we chat real quick

00:46:23.240 about something that, um, he said or did the other day that, that, um, strong something with me. I want

00:46:28.460 to clarify. I really do. Communication is not a key thing in our society that I think we,

00:46:35.260 from short word text and text messages and stuff like that, that we've dumbed down our

00:46:40.380 communication. I really communicate exponentially. Right. People say stuff and I'm like, what,

00:46:45.220 give me context. Right. And I'm like, Oh, Oh, this is this and this. I'm like, thank you. I need a

00:46:51.080 context. You know, I'm look, I'm not the brightest guy in the world. I'm look, I'm kind of an idiot.

00:46:57.000 I had ADHD, you know, I'm not, I'm not great, but I have things simplify for me. I'm a Marine.

00:47:03.540 I need simplification. I need context. And what's the other thing I think our society has lost is

00:47:08.860 the ability to combine intent and context when it comes to conversation, when it comes to

00:47:13.880 anything, our society, whether, what does that mean? Right. Oh, they meant this. You can't logically

00:47:19.660 infer what someone meant if they didn't say that. Well, I don't think.

00:47:23.240 Clarify context. Yes. But in a lot of those cases, it's, it's in a lot of those cases,

00:47:33.100 it actually is malicious people playing dumb so that they can, you know, prove their point

00:47:39.180 or argue their side of the equation, but that's not ignorance. That's that's they're deliberately

00:47:45.100 doing that. They're misconstruing words and messaging. But right. People do that,

00:47:50.320 but you have to clarify before you can infer that you actually have to make an attempt to clarify

00:47:56.040 before you can make an inference, right? We can, that we have, our society is still bad at inferring

00:48:01.460 things. Well, this means that, how do you know? Did you talk to him? Did you ask him what knowledge

00:48:08.500 do you, that gives you evidence towards that? We need to start looking towards evidence, start

00:48:14.620 looking towards education, start looking towards, you know, actual logic and reason, because I might

00:48:20.540 want to infer something, but is that the logical part of my brain or is that the emotional part of

00:48:25.460 my brain looking for something? Right. Usually emotional. It's usually emotional, right? So now we're,

00:48:30.960 we're, we're creating drama. We're creating a con, a conflict, a confrontation based under the influence

00:48:38.520 of emotion rather than logic or reason. And look, again, I'm not saying motion is a bad thing. It's

00:48:46.420 about how it's applied, about how it's used. And what can emotion be weaponized? Oh, absolutely.

00:48:52.300 Every day our society weaponizes emotion to try and manipulate people. Absolutely. And we should

00:48:57.920 recognize it. We should also speak to understanding more of the why I used to get that try. That used to

00:49:03.580 get me in trouble so many times in the Marine Corps. Why? I started asking differently. What's

00:49:08.000 mission accomplishment? I bet they love that. Yeah. Oh man. I have, I was a terminal Lance for a long

00:49:12.860 time until I picked up corporal and the people that try to non-rec me for corporal, I actually pinned

00:49:17.540 me on. Yeah. I bet that was a, because that's the way we've always done it. It's tradition. This is

00:49:24.420 what we do. And, and when it comes to every day, we, we have to evolve every single day. I tell,

00:49:30.320 I tell men and women go to bed, a better person than when you woke up. And I'm not talking about

00:49:38.020 major change. It doesn't have any major change. One more pushup that you did the end of the day

00:49:42.800 that betters yourself every day that you breathe. When you breathe in, breathe out is a chance for

00:49:48.600 you to better yourself. Go to bed, a better person than when you woke up and you know what? Okay. So

00:49:54.000 you weren't perfect that day. You get to wake up again the next day and do it again and try.

00:49:59.640 We're still worried about people being better, but we're not worried about ourselves being better.

00:50:06.480 Like I, I'll be honest with you, man. I had been an asshole before. And once I embraced stoicism

00:50:13.400 hard in the last two years, I started waking up myself and really trying to be a better man for my

00:50:20.660 wife, for my, my daughter, for myself. I, I, you know, I've been a noxious person and sometimes I

00:50:26.340 am still obnoxious. I've been overzealous. I portrayed an overzealous person, right? Because

00:50:31.340 life clicks shares and algorithms. But at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself why?

00:50:37.940 You know, a lot of my content now is I've been told in tactical community, there's, I share a plate

00:50:43.180 with a steak and the vegetables. No one likes eating the vegetables. They just know it's good for them.

00:50:46.920 Everyone likes a steak and I'm shooting multicam tactical fucking shit, throwing knives and

00:50:51.420 tomahawks and all sorts of stuff. But when it comes to philosophy and stoicism, I've managed to

00:50:58.260 find a way to apply stoicism to that community, because if we're able to use logic and everything

00:51:03.900 that we do, whether it's being the gray man, which is, which is adopting a survival strategy

00:51:07.900 or trying to clear a room or reacting to a shot going off or, or, or instance where someone is

00:51:16.760 attacked, we have the ability to react rationally, despite our emotions. Viktor Frankl was, he was a

00:51:28.000 Holocaust survivor. And he watched his parents walk into a, a gas chamber and his wife died in one of the

00:51:36.120 gas chambers, which you never know. He actually uses why to keep him alive the whole time. He had

00:51:39.940 these imaginary conversations with her. Uh, but he wrote a book called man's search for meaning,

00:51:44.440 which gives credence to logo therapy. Viktor Frankl said, this one favorite quotes is between

00:51:50.440 stimulus and response, there's space. And in that space, you have the power to choose and that power

00:51:55.300 to choose lies your growth and your freedom. At the end of the day, no matter what, whether facing

00:52:00.100 death, we had the choice of how we're going to feel about it. No one can take that away from you.

00:52:07.080 No one can take away your character. No one can take away how you feel. You let them. Absolutely.

00:52:11.960 When I talked about that palette of human emotions, right? This, this palette of human emotions is

00:52:16.480 colorful palette and we paint our own pictures. But when you give your mind to someone else and let

00:52:21.660 them upset you, you take offense to something and they begin to paint the picture that you don't want

00:52:27.200 to be painted. They get to control your emotions and use those colors to paint an image of yourself

00:52:32.580 that you're not going to like. But Viktor Frankl, man's search for meaning. And so what I'm talking

00:52:37.760 about, and he said, and what that quote is, that's actual physiology. That's not just a wonderful

00:52:43.380 quote. That's actual physiology between stimulus and response. You have space. There's two routes

00:52:47.480 that information takes. And I guarantee people are going to start rolling their eyes right now.

00:52:51.480 Start going to sleep, knock on. All right. We're talking about science, right? But that's,

00:52:56.200 that's an actual physiological response. So in your brain, the limbic system, you have

00:53:01.580 two routes that information takes. That's the short route and the long route. The short

00:53:05.080 route is stimulus to amygdala, right? Stimulus response. Amygdala is responsible for your

00:53:10.840 behavioral, but that's the last part of your mind that information travels. Amygdala is also

00:53:17.120 responsible for trauma and training, implicit memory, and procedural memory. This is second

00:53:22.620 nature. Dumb it down, second nature. Even more simplest terms, muscle memory, right? There is

00:53:28.660 really no such thing as muscle memory. I mean, the cells still have cellular memory, right? People say

00:53:32.520 there's no such thing as muscle memory. They know that's right. They don't know why that's right.

00:53:36.100 It's actually called procedural memory. When you learn something over and over.

00:53:37.820 Well, they're not cognizant, right?

00:53:39.000 Yeah. When you over and over and over and over again, it becomes second nature to you. Like

00:53:43.980 picking up a rifle or someone just put me in an arm bar. Here's how I'm going to maneuver this.

00:53:48.440 They become second nature after a while. So that's stimulus response, right? The other route that

00:53:56.040 information takes, and I use this example, right? When someone comes behind you and jolts you,

00:54:00.100 you turn around and get into a judo strategy, right? That's stimulus response. That's

00:54:05.680 stimulus to amygdala. I pronounced for those scientists out there, I apologize. Please

00:54:10.560 forgive me for butchering it. Right? They'll let you know. They'll let you know.

00:54:14.600 Oh, I'm sure they will. But it's almost to amygdala. And then you got the long routes,

00:54:21.500 which goes what I call the logic filters, the logic routes. And that is two sensory cortex.

00:54:26.620 It's like hearing, taste, touch, but not smell. Smell is actually a whole different way. It's

00:54:33.680 connected right to amygdala. And then you go to your hippocampus. Hippocampus, part of yours,

00:54:37.780 limbic system response for contextual memory. Contextual memory like names, faces, things like

00:54:44.880 that. And then it gets filtered into amygdala, right? So now you've scared me. You come up behind

00:54:49.740 you. You come up behind me and I'm like ready to fucking pop you in the throat or draw my fire,

00:54:53.940 whatever it is. So let's say I'm going to pop you in the throat, right? But as that information

00:54:59.880 starts getting into my hippocampus, the contextual memory, I recognize, oh, it's my friend. But in

00:55:08.920 that split second, I still have the choice to pop that fucker in the face, teach him a lesson,

00:55:13.500 but I'm not going to. This is my buddy, right? So that is stimulus. So when I talk about Viktor Frankl,

00:55:18.700 when he says, in some of this response, you have space. That space is that long route. Now that

00:55:23.100 space doesn't have to happen within a thousandth of a second. It could take a second. It could take

00:55:27.800 a minute. It could take an hour. It could take a week, but you get to decide your response.

00:55:36.060 If you learn to control it, if you use philosophy, right? If you understand your physiology and your

00:55:42.380 psychology, if you practice and you read and you research and you study and you do the work yourself,

00:55:47.300 you begin to then control how you're going to respond to situations. But in the end,

00:55:52.960 you have to remember as it's over the day, you can't control the outcome. When the outcome happens,

00:55:59.160 you can either accept it and learn from it as a tool. Do something different. Sure.

00:56:04.340 Do something different, right? Learn from it, right? Or when it does happen, deliberate. Okay,

00:56:09.500 good. This worked out the way I want it to. Okay. Let's go back and analyze, debrief. Why did it work

00:56:14.240 out the way I want it to? Let's go back and say, you got to be indifferent. You got to be indifferent

00:56:18.080 to the outcome and realize that one is part of character development. And the other, well,

00:56:28.900 it happened according to nature, which is so hard. And that's where faith comes in,

00:56:32.160 which is funny. As a man talked about, you know, I use reason probably in a place of faith.

00:56:37.420 And I think maybe sometimes the two could be one in the same, right? And that is, that's such a,

00:56:44.020 such a different type of conversation. And, and I know there's Christians listening right now that

00:56:48.420 are shaking their head, but look, bear with me, guy. Look, it's, at the end of the day,

00:56:55.120 what allowed you to live a good life, to be at peace, to be happy? And look, you're not,

00:57:02.320 you're not guaranteed happiness, right? Happiness comes and goes. The rest is character,

00:57:06.780 character, character development. And I've had people ask me, it seemed like you, you're an

00:57:11.920 unhappy person. And I was like, I'm happy for the most part. And I said, the other part, I said,

00:57:16.760 character development. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with, with,

00:57:21.700 with going through adversity. There's nothing wrong with, with growing up and learning and being a

00:57:27.820 different person who you are. Yesterday is not how you are today. You were a week ago. It's not how

00:57:33.140 you are today. We were six months ago, six years ago. You were allowed to grow. You were allowed

00:57:37.780 to change. We're all fucking, we're all human beings. We've all said, or done, done stuff,

00:57:46.840 said dumb stuff. And, and, but what makes you better as a person is you cringe at the dumb stuff and go,

00:57:53.480 man, it's fucking stupid. That was stupid. Or I thought something stupider, man, that was

00:57:58.560 really savage. I shouldn't. And the moments you begin to cringe at your past is the moment you go,

00:58:04.400 I've grown, I've learned, I've become different. It's funny as my favorite thing is like a Facebook

00:58:09.120 memories. Facebook memories will allow you to relive your past and go, damn, did I say that?

00:58:15.620 Yeah.

00:58:15.880 Holy shit. What the fuck was I thinking? Right. And you go, God. Yeah. And so.

00:58:21.540 But it's funny because people will also hold you to it. They're like, oh, well, you know,

00:58:25.560 five years ago you said, well, yeah, that was five years ago and I'm five years older. I have

00:58:30.720 five years worth of experiences. So if my perception of my five-year younger version of myself hasn't

00:58:36.280 changed, what in the world have I been doing with the last five years? This is why I get frustrated

00:58:40.320 when people say, oh, he's, you know, he's flip-flopping on the issue. And it's like, is he,

00:58:44.440 or is he just matured and is looking at it differently now?

00:58:47.580 You're allowed to change your mind. I think my favorite response is saying,

00:58:51.180 you said this five years ago. I did. I did. I didn't. Thank you for telling me that. And you

00:58:56.620 know what? Five years ago, I was a different person, a lesser version of myself. And I've

00:59:02.960 grown and I appreciate you telling me that. And that's a good reminder. And I feel like

00:59:07.500 I've changed. And if you don't accept that change, well, that's fine. Right. Because I'm

00:59:13.920 a better person than I was five years ago. Better person I was two years ago. Better person

00:59:17.920 than I was six months ago, six weeks ago, six days ago. Right. And that's why I say,

00:59:21.900 don't be afraid to go to bed a better person than you woke up. Seem to change something. Seem to

00:59:26.660 change your mind. Every day you should be looking to change your mind about something. That doesn't

00:59:30.260 mean you have to accept it. Right. What is it? Einstein said that the mark of intelligence

00:59:33.940 is entertaining an idea without fully accepting it. Right. There's nothing wrong with that.

00:59:39.360 The problem today that I have, and this might get political, is that one side thinks with too much

00:59:44.180 emotion and one side thinks with too much religion and neither think that's wrong.

00:59:49.840 That's where I try and find myself in the center. I try and find myself in the middle. That's where

00:59:53.880 the last part of the four virtues is temperance, which I think is probably the most important

01:00:01.160 virtue that any man or woman can practice. And that is moderation. Moderation in all things.

01:00:06.080 Your thinking. Moderation in your food, your diet, your exercise, your love, your politics,

01:00:12.260 your ideology, your religion, your feelings. There's nothing wrong with moderation. There's

01:00:19.020 nothing wrong with temperance. There's nothing wrong with questioning what you believe in every

01:00:21.740 day. We should strive for social independence. We should strive to be independent of what the

01:00:27.880 mob, the hive mind is. We should seek to be confident in ourselves and find self-love. And I think that's

01:00:36.120 where freedom comes. And I know it sounds hippie. It's a hippie trauma. You've got to love yourself,

01:00:39.940 bro. But it's fucking true, man. You've got to love yourself. You've got to find confidence

01:00:43.560 in yourself. You can't be afraid to set yourself aside from society as long as it follows virtue,

01:00:49.840 as long as it follows within wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance. As long as you're trying

01:00:53.520 to be a good person objectively, universally. There's nothing wrong with stepping aside a sign.

01:00:58.940 You know, I don't like the way you think. And I'm choosing to remind myself. And look,

01:01:04.320 in your society, you see politics. You see people remove themselves. And what happens?

01:01:07.580 Become ostracized. Become exiled. Today, you know, back in the day, exile meant something

01:01:12.780 different. Like the philosophers, Roman emperors hated fucking philosophers. They exiled the

01:01:17.700 motherfuckers like it was left and right. Nero and Caligula and all these. They're like,

01:01:22.400 get the fuck out of here. You are poisoning the mind of the people. There's something called

01:01:28.400 a stoic resistance. Stoic resistance was like, yo, let's put some stoicism into politics. Not

01:01:34.840 politics in the stoicism, but stoicism into politics. And get these emperors to think

01:01:39.080 virtuously. That's what Marcus Aurelius was. Marcus Aurelius was an emperor. You know,

01:01:43.540 for those who know, Plato had described the perfect king was the philosopher king. And Marcus Aurelius

01:01:51.660 is about as close as you can get. No, Christians are listening going, well, he persecuted Christians.

01:01:57.760 No, he didn't. He didn't. That was a couple other emperors. He wasn't, he was indifferent.

01:02:02.060 In fact, you know, actually there's a stoic philosopher that confirms the existence of Paul.

01:02:07.820 His name is Galio or Galio. And Galio was the one that the Jews brought Paul before to have him

01:02:14.840 persecuted. And Galio was like, nah, fuck that. It's not my problem. And then the Jews begin to

01:02:19.980 beat the shit out of Paul. But Galio's biological brother was Seneca the Younger.

01:02:26.980 Hmm.

01:02:28.520 One of the most notable. And they exist together. And it's actually, it's an outfit source that really

01:02:31.880 confirms the existence of Galio and the timeline for Paul. There's, there's a lot of overlapping

01:02:36.820 between stoicism, but I don't think you should see that those of them doesn't preach against God.

01:02:43.640 More often than not, it actually preaches for, for a God. What God you choose, they didn't really care

01:02:50.540 about. Um, for them, it was about stoicism is just finding peace here on earth and living a good life

01:02:57.680 and living, you know, according to logos and the logos as Christians will know, means the word of

01:03:04.200 God. What's wrong with that? I don't see anything wrong with it. Um, what makes you a wiser person

01:03:10.640 that treats other people with kindness, you know, and dignity and respect.

01:03:15.600 I don't see that against religion. I don't see that against Christianity. I don't see it against

01:03:20.680 Islam. I see it as something that enhances it's complimentary to the practice about wisdom until

01:03:27.980 it is and living a good life. Well, it is interesting. You know, sometimes when you hear

01:03:33.380 that conflict that, well, it conflicts with the word of God, it's like, okay, well, you listen to

01:03:37.060 your pastor every Sunday, you know, Zach, Zach conflict with the word of God, because it isn't God's

01:03:44.020 exact word. Now it may be a representation of it, maybe an interpretation of it. So it's still

01:03:49.160 listening to your pastor. Sure. And I'm doing the same thing with, um, with stoicism. I'm interpreting

01:03:54.520 the words of, of, of, of, of the stoics and applying it to what I feel is the correct way of

01:04:02.140 application. That's my feeling of it. That's my objective view of it. Right. And it will change.

01:04:07.820 You have, yeah, you have, you have pastors that, uh, read from the Bible and then they

01:04:13.000 expound upon it with their own experiences. It's expounding. They're taking and trying to

01:04:17.860 relate it in a more palatable format for people to understand, because if you look at some of

01:04:21.840 the ways that Bible is written, you're like, Oh my God. Okay. I got to read this just a couple

01:04:27.480 of times, you know, and the same thing with some philosophy, you're like, what, what is he

01:04:31.880 talking about? What are you talking about? So, so what, what does pastors are doing? And

01:04:36.620 there's, I got, I got nothing against it. You know, as long as you're not preaching against

01:04:40.220 people, right, you're preaching for the treatment and the humanity of people and, and living a good

01:04:46.520 life and saying, Hey, yeah. Okay. I, I will, I will read the words of Jesus as it was relayed

01:04:53.500 by others in the Bible, Paul, Mark, uh, you know, Romans, Romans is my favorite, you know,

01:05:00.880 Romans talks about treating everyone as your brother and loving each other as your brother.

01:05:05.860 And look, Psalms 23 fucking slaps. Psalms 23 is I will walk through the valley of shadow of death.

01:05:12.380 I will fear no you that fucking slaps. That is, that is, you want to get hair on the back of your

01:05:17.280 neck one day as a Psalms 23 or Psalms 24. I forgot. I think it's, I think it's 23. Um, but that being

01:05:24.960 said, man, you really read through the Bible. You can find a lot of hope. You can find a

01:05:30.860 way to relieve your anxiety. And it's, you know, as they would say, accepting through Jesus.

01:05:35.520 But I try to compliment, um, that through philosophy, um, through the works of great

01:05:42.480 men like Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and, and Viktor Frankl and, and Epictetus or Cato the

01:05:48.860 Younger. For those of us that are more, um, libertarian, Cato the Younger said, I swear to

01:05:55.340 God, if, if, if, if Julius Caesar gets elected president or Roman emperor, I'm going to slice

01:06:02.220 my fucking, I'm going to kill myself. And he did. He straight up opened his veins up and

01:06:07.520 said, fuck this. I'd rather die than live under a tyrant. He was a savage. Then you got

01:06:12.560 Messonius Rufus, um, who I call the proper stoic who said the closest thing to living by philosophy

01:06:19.420 is living to the wind is tending to your land who also, uh, if you read Messonius Rufus,

01:06:26.460 there's a book called, uh, it's, it's obviously a translation. It's called, um, I forgot what

01:06:33.580 it's called, but I'll send it to you later, but it's, he literally, he rips on those.

01:06:39.880 He says, cut your hair. Like you would cut the leaves of a tree because it's distracting,

01:06:44.980 but don't you fucking cut your beard because that is a feminine thing. That is, that is a

01:06:50.160 woman thing to do. Don't cut your beard for appearances. Don't shape your beard because

01:06:54.280 that's not for your beard is, is, is for purpose. You don't, you don't shave your beard. You don't

01:07:00.580 trim your beard. You don't manicure your beard. That is for a purpose, right? Cut your hair

01:07:05.380 because it might distract you. Like you would cut limbs from a tree. Don't you dare cut your,

01:07:10.280 but it's, it's, it is funny. It is, it is like, whoa, holy shit.

01:07:14.980 You went on right field on that one. Uh, so it's fun kind of, and you got to remember this,

01:07:19.540 this stuff was 2,500 years ago. I mean, people thought differently. You know, I always tell

01:07:23.580 people it was like, why? Maybe last, why is philosophy exist? It's because they didn't

01:07:27.300 have pills. They had watered down wine and they're trying to figure out why their life

01:07:30.280 sucked. 25 years ago, life was fucking hard. They got some time on their hands to think.

01:07:35.480 Yeah. They got plagues. They got shit happening to them. They got dolls coming in, fucking,

01:07:40.180 fucking them up all the time. The Visigoths, Vikings, the Vangarians hitting the Mediterranean,

01:07:43.980 right? Life was hard back then. It was, how do you make yourself? Well, you got watered down

01:07:49.380 wine, you got philosophy and that is what you got. Um, and so, and, and, you know, it's funny

01:07:56.540 is, is look, feel what you want, but you know, let your, let your, your path to, to be a better

01:08:08.600 man or be a woman, uh, be a better woman, be your God. And don't let anyone stray you

01:08:12.160 off of it. Right. What makes you feel good about yourself? What makes you love yourself

01:08:16.140 and what makes you create other people better? Don't let people fuck with you about it.

01:08:23.000 Don't let that's, that's not for that. No one gets to decide how you feel about yourself.

01:08:27.260 No one gets to decide your path. No one gets to tell you, you know, and the, in the entitlement

01:08:34.640 of other people telling you, well, if you don't believe the way I believe, fuck you. Or if you

01:08:39.480 don't feel the way I feel you're a bad person, they don't get to decide that. No one gets it. I mean,

01:08:45.500 objectively speaking, pedophile, murderer, you know, abuser, right?

01:08:50.660 Morality. Right. Sure.

01:08:51.660 Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're talking, you know, but on the everyday face to face where you just wake up

01:08:56.780 and you're like, man, how do I, how do I go sleep a better person? How do I be a better man to my

01:09:02.500 wife or how to be better? I'll be a wife to my husband or a better father to my child or better

01:09:06.680 mother to my child or, or, or better, better sibling or a better friend, right? Find your path and love

01:09:14.400 your path, accept it for what it is. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise and tell you you're a bad

01:09:19.320 person because you don't believe the way they do or feel the way they do. No one gets to tell you

01:09:25.720 that. You've got to love yourself. You've got to find confidence in yourself. If you're always worried

01:09:29.080 about what people think of others, right? We said in the early podcast, it's like, you're going to,

01:09:33.300 it's part of human nature. But at the end of the day, the only person you have to answer to is

01:09:36.980 yourself. The only person you have to look at in the morning when you get up in the mirror is

01:09:41.340 fucking you. And you got to like what looks back at you. Cause if you don't, it's hard.

01:09:45.640 Find, open the Bible, open the Quran, open the Torah, um, read the works of Buddha, uh, read the

01:09:53.160 works of, of, of the Hindus, read the works of the Greeks, the Romans, find something that makes you

01:09:59.440 happy because at the end of the day, when you die, they're going to forget about you. Yeah.

01:10:03.860 Even people, even Marcus really says when you're on your deathbed, there's people that love you that

01:10:08.880 are going to still say, finally, you got to love yourself, man, because no one else in the world is

01:10:15.060 going to have your back more than you. I think about that with the podcast. I thought, you know,

01:10:19.840 if something were to happen to me prematurely and I died, you know, a bunch of people would be upset

01:10:23.780 for like two weeks and then they'd find another podcast. Dude, you will be replaced. You will

01:10:31.000 say two weeks. That's probably too long. Yeah. Well, your boy, your boy's doing great. You, you've,

01:10:36.980 you've taught your boy, um, your talent, you've taught him your charisma, you taught him how to speak

01:10:42.620 and communicate and how to, and that's what your podcast is, is you brought people on and you've

01:10:48.780 learned how to communicate with people. You've learned a lot. You've learned how to articulate

01:10:53.820 what people are saying that really strikes something in somebody that, that sparks emotion.

01:10:59.420 I mean, what podcasts are is, is, is, is an appeal to someone's ideology, their feelings,

01:11:05.340 their emotions, right? Your boy is definitely doing a great job and further that. Um, and

01:11:11.520 the thing is like, yeah, in the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I say or who I affect

01:11:18.220 positively or negatively. It's not going to matter. What does it really matter? People forget

01:11:26.560 people die, you know, those, you know, um, you'll be forgotten eventually. There's nothing wrong with

01:11:35.800 that. What matters most is how did you affect people right now that, that made them better,

01:11:41.640 that made them feel better, that made them truly like, you know, break the sexual tension between

01:11:47.780 a gun in their forehead. You know what I mean? What, what did you do that made someone say,

01:11:52.100 I'm going to live another day. I'm going to, I'm going to, um, be a better person today.

01:11:57.780 Or, you know what, today I feel better so much about myself because I got to hear the words of

01:12:03.220 another person that meant something to me. And it, whatever I say here, if it doesn't apply to you,

01:12:09.660 then that's okay. If it does apply to you, I'm glad. And, and, and I hope you reach out and I hope

01:12:15.660 you say, Hey man, thank you. Or, Hey man, I disagree with you. Oh, even better. Why do you disagree

01:12:21.000 with me? Please tell me articulate in a logical, rational way. Why you disagree with me? So I can,

01:12:27.680 I want to learn. I want to hear the thoughts of others. I want to hear the philosophy of others

01:12:31.680 because, you know, why not? What's, what's, what's bad about, um, hearing the thoughts of others?

01:12:40.400 What's, what's wrong with hearing disagreement of others? What, why is it so people, anathema of

01:12:46.080 people to hear something, an opinion different from their specific race, right? Fucking bring it

01:12:51.360 on. Please tell me, you know, I mean, don't yell at me. Don't scream at me. Don't shit on me. Don't

01:12:56.020 be an asshole. Yeah. Reach out logic and reason, have a dull conversation. Hey man, I disagree with

01:13:02.900 you. And here's why I want to hear it because if I get to learn fucking, absolutely. That's,

01:13:09.860 that's a great thing. I've got to better myself. The agreement just means you got to better yourself.

01:13:13.780 Well, Brady, Hey, um, tell the guys where to connect with you. Obviously a lot more to go

01:13:19.720 here. Um, the, yeah, it's over, but it's no, it's great. Um, man, the information you share

01:13:28.040 and the way that you share it is has, it speaks to me and I know it'll speak to a lot of guys as

01:13:32.780 well. So tell the guys where to connect, where to, uh, learn more and where to go.

01:13:37.880 I got a website, bradypasola.com, but that's still under construction. Cause one of these days

01:13:42.520 I will actually follow my ADHD and finish it. But, uh, you know, simple, simple as it is.

01:13:48.760 I'm just on Instagram, uh, gray man dot project. And that's where you find me most of the time.

01:13:54.340 So gray man dot project, uh, on Instagram. That's where I'm at. Yeah.

01:13:58.860 Right on. We'll sync it all up. Brady. Appreciate you, man. Good to get to know you. Glad to have this

01:14:02.840 conversation and, uh, looking forward to getting to the guys.

01:14:06.280 Likewise, Ryan, much love to you and thank you again.

01:14:08.680 All right, you guys, there you go. My conversation with Brady gray man, Pesola. I hope you enjoyed

01:14:14.580 that one. I learned a lot in this about stoicism that I wasn't aware of. And it's always nice to

01:14:19.500 have conversations with guys like Brady. It's very refreshing to have a civil discussion,

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Order of Man - April 18, 2023

BRADY PESOLA ｜ Stoicism and Christianity？

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