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00:00:00.000 Gents, to continue our critical work revolving around the most pressing issues of society today,

00:00:05.860 I have invited Mr. Brandon Tatum on the podcast this week, and this is quite literally one of

00:00:11.100 the most powerful conversations that we've had to date. Brandon Tatum is a former All-American

00:00:15.960 football player, police officer, and now political commentator. He's also the author of the upcoming

00:00:21.680 book, Beaten Black and Blue, which chronicles his time as a police officer and the tensions

00:00:26.140 between police officers and the public. Today, we talk about why the terms white privilege and toxic

00:00:32.500 masculinity don't paint an accurate picture of what's really going on in society, America's place

00:00:38.780 and position on the world stage, the power and undermining of the nuclear family, the modern

00:00:45.040 male's role in society, and the truth behind Marxist movements, including BLM. You're a man of action.

00:00:52.800 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks

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00:01:05.100 resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of

00:01:11.860 the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, good to have you back

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00:03:49.660 with that, let me introduce you to my guest, Brandon Tatum. Uh, this guy is so insightful

00:03:54.480 and in the wake of tremendous backlash after several of his videos have gone viral. I think one

00:04:00.440 of his videos has been viewed over 70 million times, listen to that 70 million times. So

00:04:09.040 what the guy talks about obviously resonates, but he's been willing to stand on his own two feet and

00:04:14.660 behind his convictions. He's a former all American athlete. He's a top NFL prospect with the university

00:04:20.140 of Arizona. Uh, but after going undrafted in the NFL, and we actually get into why that might be the

00:04:26.100 case, uh, he set a site on becoming a police officer, then gradually making his way into the

00:04:31.860 political commentary arena and is now featured on some of the top news outlets in the world.

00:04:37.500 He's the CEO of three companies, the co-founder of Blexit, uh, an incredible voice for conservative

00:04:43.420 values and principles. He also talks openly about his conversion to Christianity. We do get into that

00:04:48.180 today and is never one to shy away from issues important to him and his views regarding culture

00:04:54.740 and society. So there's going to be some things that may rile you up, some things that you may

00:05:00.260 agree with, but ultimately, uh, these are the conversations that need to be had. So please

00:05:04.220 enjoy. Brandon, what's up, man. Great to connect with you. I've been following you for a long time.

00:05:10.220 I appreciate it, Ryan, man. Thanks. Thanks for having me on.

00:05:13.320 Yeah. Tell me about that shirt. I didn't say anything before we hit record. Cause I wanted

00:05:17.660 to ask you about that shirt once we were recording. So talk to me about that shirt you're wearing right

00:05:21.100 now. Well, it's, yeah, I don't know if it appears backwards, but it says Christ privilege. Um, and,

00:05:25.880 and pretty much what I do is I make these definition shirts that people can wear around and it kind of,

00:05:31.680 you know, jogs people's understanding of, of certain topics, but Christ privilege, you know,

00:05:36.040 I don't believe in white privilege. I believe in Christ privilege. If you're a person that believe in God,

00:05:39.660 then there's no door that a man can close, um, that God is open for you.

00:05:44.800 You know, I can really appreciate that. Uh, I know I've got obviously a different perspective,

00:05:48.900 which is interesting. It's almost, it, it almost makes me cringe to say it, but I know I've got a

00:05:53.240 different perspective simply because of the color of my skin makes, like I said, it makes me cringe

00:05:56.760 to say it a little bit because it comes across weird like that. But I think it's important. We

00:06:00.380 actually address these conversations, especially when it comes to terms that are being tossed around,

00:06:05.000 like white privilege. Right. I agree. What do you, uh, what do you think about that? Um,

00:06:11.580 well, I know there's a lot of people who talk about it and say that, uh, just because of the

00:06:14.580 color of my skin, that, uh, I may have some advantages that maybe someone like yourself doesn't.

00:06:18.820 Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I think it's disingenuous. It's a disingenuous statement,

00:06:23.340 you know, uh, do people who have white skin have a level of privilege? Yeah. I mean, there's,

00:06:28.400 there's a, there's privilege to go around for everything you can imagine. You know,

00:06:31.420 sometimes white people have privilege. Sometimes black people have privilege over white people, 0.52

00:06:34.400 depending on the circumstances. If you are good looking, you have a privilege. If you're a

00:06:38.160 beautiful woman, you have a privilege. If you got money in the bank and you got great credit,

00:06:42.260 you got privilege. I mean, you can pick any, you know, segment of society or characterization,

00:06:47.940 uh, characterization of a person or characteristics of a person. And you can find a level of privilege

00:06:53.440 that they may have over another person. So, I mean, just be this living in America,

00:06:57.240 you have more privilege than mostly anybody in the world, even, even the poor amongst us

00:07:02.800 are considered to be wealthy in a lot of other countries. So, um, I think that to use and isolate

00:07:08.680 the word white privileges is used to divide us, used to create division that does not need to be

00:07:15.520 there. Yeah. I think that's a really good point. It is disingenuous and it's applied so broadly that,

00:07:21.400 uh, it doesn't take into consideration other little nuances or the fact that somebody else might

00:07:26.660 have a privilege, so to speak, because they are better looking than somebody else. Like you had

00:07:30.880 suggested, I, you know, I actually feel the same way when it comes to the term toxic masculinity.

00:07:35.680 You know, I, I know for example, that some men use, for example, uh, physical strength to harm other

00:07:42.480 people. Uh, but to apply this broad term of toxic masculinity, and then to, uh, attempt to lump

00:07:50.940 everybody in this category without considering the, uh, exceptions or the nuance to the term is a very

00:07:57.280 dangerous proposition. Well, yeah, if you, especially when you try to lump character resist,

00:08:02.640 uh, you know, I say, keep saying characteristics, characteristics, but it, when you start to lump

00:08:07.180 in a person's traits or actions to something that's considered to be toxic and that's, that's based on

00:08:13.600 another person's opinion. Um, we have, you know, been ever since the Bible days, you know, we,

00:08:18.800 men have been going to war and conquering and developing and all of these different things. So to me,

00:08:25.040 violence and war is not toxic. It is necessary in certain situations in order for us to either

00:08:31.840 remain safe or create a situation like we've done in America, where we have a, a free society where

00:08:37.520 we can openly worship. And it's probably the biggest melting pot in the world. So there is,

00:08:43.040 you know, there's a time and a place for violence. Some people think it's toxic. I think it's, it's

00:08:47.680 appropriate, uh, within the confines of society that we live in. So I don't, I don't really buy into

00:08:52.840 that toxic masculinity stuff. And I like, I like, again, I think people use wording like black lives 0.91

00:08:59.000 matter, planned parenthood, and you know, they use words, toxic masculinity. They use certain words

00:09:06.520 to trigger a certain emotion in a person. And the, the, the creation of that word or the idea behind

00:09:12.680 it, in my opinion is disingenuous. There's people just creating things because they either hate certain

00:09:18.480 people or a certain group of people, they want to hold them down. Um, and then when you hear somebody

00:09:23.240 talk about things like toxic, toxic masculinity, they don't have any relevant points. You know,

00:09:28.260 it's, it's not like they actually are pointing out, um, things that are, that are problematic in

00:09:32.760 society on a, on a epidemic level. They're talking about the fact that they don't like that men

00:09:37.440 open a door for women, or they don't like that men have more, you know, they're stronger than women 1.00

00:09:42.080 or maybe, you know, consider themselves to be more dominant in certain areas than women are. 0.71

00:09:46.800 They, they somehow want men to be emasculated. So, you know, I, I, I really don't appreciate

00:09:52.340 terms like that because I think they come from a bad spot. Or, you know, the other thing I've seen

00:09:57.040 is they'll take an isolated, uh, example. Let's say a woman, uh, is in a relationship, for example,

00:10:02.460 that is abusive, physically abusive as an example. And then they'll apply that broadly. They'll say,

00:10:07.880 see, masculinity is toxic. No, that, that individual's behavior was toxic. Certainly. I think

00:10:13.060 the overwhelming majority of us would agree with that, but I don't think that applies broadly to

00:10:18.280 all men, you, me, anybody else who might be listening to this podcast.

00:10:22.960 Yeah. I mean, people could argue that femininity is, is a toxic, you know what I'm saying? You 0.99

00:10:27.500 know, you have, you have this culture of this, uh, accusations of, of rape and, and different things

00:10:33.060 that are done maliciously, um, to target people. And that's only applied. Women can only do that. 1.00

00:10:38.560 Men, men don't get away with saying that a woman raped them and somehow they get some sympathy, 0.94

00:10:42.780 whether true or not. Um, but I think that women, women have that ability, you know, uh, women control 1.00

00:10:48.280 a lot of the, you know, men and sexuality. I mean, I mean, just be honest, uh, sex sales and men are

00:10:55.380 dumb enough to buy it. So, uh, women have a level of control there, at least in our society, they have 1.00

00:10:59.740 a level of control on, on purchasing power by using their body to, to an advantage. I think that's

00:11:05.060 toxic. I think some of, you know, but that doesn't describe every woman. My wife is not out there 1.00

00:11:09.560 doing that, you know, and that's why I married her. You know, I wouldn't marry a woman that's 1.00

00:11:12.860 out there selling her soul to make some money for somebody else or herself. So people, you know,

00:11:18.180 it's a person, it's a personal opinion, you know, what's toxic, what's not toxic. That's my opinion.

00:11:22.760 Some people make a fortune off of doing that and they turn their life around and nobody ever knew

00:11:27.220 they did it, you know? So it's, it's really terms that are created that, that try to be the norm

00:11:32.820 or try to force that into society as a normative thought. I think it's those things are problematic.

00:11:39.320 Well, I'm glad you said the phrase you used is men and men are dumb enough to buy it. I'm actually 0.98

00:11:43.740 really glad that you use that phrase because that puts a level of responsibility on our shoulders.

00:11:48.140 So you'll hear about guys who complain about all these, these women on Instagram showing off their 0.88

00:11:52.820 bodies and, and, and revealing too much. And they'll complain about her and say, oh, this is not

00:11:57.300 healthy. And yet you're the one following them. You're the one subscribed. You're the one buying

00:12:01.080 their stuff. You're the one promoting them. That's why they do that. If the, if the intention wasn't

00:12:04.540 there, they wouldn't be so, so apt to, to do these things that you say you disapprove of.

00:12:10.320 Right. It's a demand. It's a demand there for sure. You know, they got this thing called only,

00:12:14.400 only fans, only friends or whatever it's called. But I think women, I don't know what people may do 1.00

00:12:19.740 other stuff on there, but what it's known for, and from what I know is that people, I guess, sell

00:12:24.040 sex on there. They show the body parts and do stuff for money and whatever. And, you know,

00:12:29.860 women wouldn't be in, it's mostly women. I'm assuming maybe men do it too, but I'm sure it 1.00

00:12:34.560 is. Women wouldn't be able to do it in the, in, in the proportionality that they do it. If there 1.00

00:12:39.500 wasn't a demand pornography in America is the same thing, you know, uh, sex trafficking in America

00:12:44.200 is the same thing. It wouldn't be prolific if there wasn't a demand and most of pornography and

00:12:50.260 things like that are associated with the demand coming from males coming from men that are desiring to

00:12:56.140 watch it, to consume it, to pay, I don't know, pay money for this stuff, strip clubs, all of these

00:13:01.460 things, there is a demand. And so therefore people end up being to the supply or there are other males

00:13:07.980 that, you know, put women in these positions so that they can make money off of them. And, you know, 1.00

00:13:13.120 somebody who's desperate or somebody who didn't grow up with a dad or who's lost or who has, you know,

00:13:18.480 emotional damage may go into these fields and get manipulated, but the onus is on the demand

00:13:25.280 side. You know, if men want to stop seeing women do certain things, then they need to stop

00:13:29.580 demanding that that's something that's appropriate. That's right. So definitely I agree that there is a

00:13:36.320 demand, but there's also a normalization of it in society, right? That it's not that, that women 1.00

00:13:41.240 flaunting their body, for example, is some sort of sexual revolution or that pedophilia is another

00:13:46.060 example, uh, is, is somehow a sexual preference. And so there's this normalization of the sexualization

00:13:53.920 of women. Uh, and, and then it becomes, uh, I think taboo initially, and then, okay, I'm curious about

00:14:01.680 this. And so we explore it and then ultimately it becomes accepted and even embraced as a, as a culture

00:14:07.260 in society, which I think is really destructive. I agree. And just like homosexuality, you know, 1.00

00:14:12.320 I think that, you know, it doesn't mean that a person is evil or a bad person. If they, if they

00:14:17.720 fall into, um, the, the homosexual lifestyle, but if we want to be honest, if a human being

00:14:25.220 is somehow attracted to the same sex, there's something that has gone, that's misfired in the

00:14:30.980 brain because that's not the evolution of humanity. Yeah. That's not the natural, uh, affections of a

00:14:37.400 person. That's not natural because natural affections of a person is that you are to, uh,

00:14:42.720 reproduce after your own likeness. And the same thing with animals. If you saw a male lion in a,

00:14:48.720 in a, in a, you know, a cage or something or at the zoo and the male lion try to jump on the back of

00:14:54.160 another male lion, you know, you would be like, well, what's wrong with that animal? What, like,

00:14:58.280 what's wrong with him? And I'm not comparing humans to animals, but what I'm saying is that

00:15:01.440 we have now normalized people who are in golfed in a struggle. Um, some people are engulfed in

00:15:08.300 struggle because of molestation, sexual perversion, exposure to sexuality, whether they, um, have had,

00:15:14.780 um, a negative experiences with the opposite sex. Some people are going through a tremendous

00:15:19.340 struggle in that area. And instead of addressing it, instead of, you know, taking away the normalization

00:15:25.080 of it, people are thrusting and celebrating people into a really dark place where many people

00:15:31.060 probably want to get out, but they can't because they have been, you know, thrusted into it.

00:15:36.440 They've been told that you're born this way. It's normal for you to feel this way. And then on the

00:15:40.180 back end of it, we see high rates of suicide and depression and stuff amongst people who are in

00:15:44.700 that lifestyle. And it's not because other people put pressure on them. It's because the own internal

00:15:48.900 battle of waking up one day and saying, man, I'll never have a family because I can't reproduce in,

00:15:53.640 in, in the, in the type of sexual environment that I'm in. And so I think that, you know,

00:15:58.800 that the normalization of a lot of things, transgenderism, you know, somebody that

00:16:02.880 is somehow a physically a man, but they don't see themselves as a man that something has gone

00:16:07.960 on in their mind. And I wish that we would take the time to offer up a solution for them. You know,

00:16:14.060 you know, we live in America, you don't have to do nothing that you don't want to do pretty much,

00:16:17.320 but I wish that we would have available solutions for people who do find themselves in a,

00:16:22.080 considered to be a struggle. And they want to find another pathway out of this,

00:16:26.660 this mental state that they've, they've been in.

00:16:29.880 Yeah. I, I actually just wish we could have a conversation about it because it seems to me

00:16:33.840 increasingly that doctors are coerced and manipulated, even at the risk of losing their

00:16:38.880 licenses to actually affirm somebody's real sex and gender. They have to now affirm in many states

00:16:48.040 by law, affirm somebody's gender dysphoria, and they can no longer even have the conversation,

00:16:54.720 a therapist, for example, about why do you feel like as a young boy or a man that you are a girl

00:17:00.260 or a woman, you can't even have those conversations anymore by law or at the risk of losing your, 1.00

00:17:05.420 your medical license.

00:17:07.080 It's a very slippery slope to go down. You know, if my son came to me and said,

00:17:10.940 daddy, I think I'm a girl. I mean, I'm not going to slap him across the head and scream at him and

00:17:15.020 tell him, go lift some weights. I'm going to talk to him about it because there's a reason why he

00:17:19.160 feel this way. That does not necessarily mean that the reasoning that he's initially feeling is the

00:17:24.400 reasoning that he will, once he have a conversation about it in the curiosity can be explained. If

00:17:30.800 someone will sit down and talk to him and say, you know, why, why do you feel like you're a girl

00:17:34.060 or whatever the case may be? Cause you want to be a cheerleader just because you want to cheer.

00:17:37.360 It don't mean that you're a girl just because you may not be attracted to women right now.

00:17:41.760 Don't necessarily make you gay. You know, you know, you may be, you know, I tell people all the

00:17:46.520 time, you know, there's decisions in life that you make and you don't always have to fall for

00:17:51.360 your initial lust or what you, what you feel at the time. You can always say no to things.

00:17:56.720 You know, and I, I would tell my child is to have the conversation with them and say, look,

00:18:00.960 you may be attracted to men. That doesn't mean that you have to date men. That don't mean you

00:18:04.480 have to live a lifestyle like that. You may not have to. That's the same thing with a married man. 0.96

00:18:08.620 Like you may see a woman that look real good, but that don't mean you got to go for it.

00:18:13.620 That don't mean you're going to leave your wife for her, even though you may be more attracted to her.

00:18:17.100 So there are desires that we have that we don't always have to, you know, succumb to.

00:18:22.560 So, and I think those conversations need to be had instead of affirming just some of these

00:18:28.400 things are just completely ridiculous, like pronouns. Like, I mean, it's defying the English

00:18:32.860 language in order to suffice a slippery slope of, um, I mean, it's a never ending cycle of

00:18:39.060 confusion. You know, he hers and them and they, them and they, and I'm, I'm binary, but I'm her.

00:18:44.860 It's like, it's like, when are you just going to go down this slippery slope of confusion?

00:18:49.260 You're not going to have identity. You're not gonna know who you are. You don't even know what

00:18:52.140 to expect from yourself. So, um, those things are important for us to slow down, not, not beat

00:18:58.480 people over the head, but have these, you know, genuine conversations with them.

00:19:02.820 You know, I'm really glad you brought up the concept of language because I think it is being

00:19:06.420 deliberately misinterpreted and redefined in order to push forward an agenda because you take men

00:19:13.260 and women, for example, if man means nothing, or I should say it this way, if men means everything,

00:19:19.000 it actually means nothing and vice versa for the term woman. And so, uh, you know, somebody, 0.54

00:19:24.660 a man, for example, who believes himself to be a woman. Well, if, if woman means nothing, then do 0.71

00:19:29.560 you really believe yourself to be a woman or you see what I'm saying? So it's, it's a very interesting

00:19:34.720 thing. And you talked about black lives matter and you talk about, uh, these words and these phrases

00:19:40.620 that we use that are, uh, I think Ben Shapiro talks about it as being semantically overloaded.

00:19:46.360 Uh, so it's hard to interpret or decipher the actual intent of the organization or movement

00:19:51.460 or message that's being shared because we're using words that, you know, sound right. Black lives

00:19:56.200 matter. Yeah, of course. I think everybody would pretty much, there's probably a, a, a very small

00:20:03.440 percentage of the population who would not agree with that statement in and of itself. But generally,

00:20:08.560 I think most people would say, yeah, that's, that's true. Black lives do matter.

00:20:13.580 Yeah. I mean, I, I, unless you're a white supremacist clan member, um, or you a black 0.99

00:20:19.840 person that live in the inner city and you gang bang all day and you've been responsible for 1.00

00:20:24.140 killing and destroying your own black community. Maybe you don't think black lives matter, but in a 1.00

00:20:28.400 general sense, most black people or most people in America do agree with the sentiment. However,

00:20:33.580 the organization has nothing to do with the mattering of black lives. Just like Planned 1.00

00:20:38.940 Parenthood, Planned Parenthood is not planning a parenthood. It's actually planning to destroy

00:20:42.960 a parenthood. I mean, that's majority of why people go to Planned Parenthood is to terminate

00:20:47.760 a pregnancy. I mean, just this, let's be honest. They're not doing full service. How do I know?

00:20:52.140 How do you know, Mr. Tatum? Because I was there, you know, my, my son's mom tried to have an abortion

00:20:57.360 and I was in the lobby praying that she didn't do it. And, and, and they didn't give us any services

00:21:02.260 after she made the decision not to have an abortion. They didn't give us any. So we didn't

00:21:05.280 know. We never went there again. You know, we went to an actual place where they gave us services

00:21:09.600 and different things of that nature, but they do use linguistics. They use words to trick your

00:21:16.220 emotions and they have another plot in an agenda. That's the same way they use with pronouns. You know,

00:21:23.560 the same people that are saying you need to acknowledge my pronouns. I'm them and they,

00:21:29.360 and I'm non-binary, but these are the same people that are pushing for the gender wage gap to be

00:21:35.200 resolved. Well, well, if there's no gender, if gender is a construct of the mind, then what are

00:21:40.420 you talking about? That there's a gender wage gap between male and female. I thought that what about 1.00

00:21:44.540 non-binary? Where does their wage gap, it goes into a slippery slope of people really insecure

00:21:51.880 individuals looking for a way to divide or to isolate themselves and make their victimhood a

00:21:58.420 little more prominent. But I think in our society, for the people who are aware, we need to really

00:22:03.660 watch out for these words because they may not necessarily represent what the efforts are being

00:22:08.980 pushed forward. Do you think people are using this linguistic little game they're playing here as,

00:22:18.320 as a medium to push forward an agenda or are they ignorant to the fact of, of, of how things really

00:22:26.980 work? Like what is the ultimate purpose of using these words to confuse and manipulate and gray out

00:22:37.200 some of these areas that seem to me to be pretty black and white? All right, man, let me just take a quick

00:22:42.740 break. Give us a time out on the conversation very quickly. As I announced last week, my son and I are

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00:24:05.700 Let's get back to it. Brandon. Yeah. I think the, the founders of these organizations,

00:24:10.700 the leaders of these organizations, they, they have a, a, a totally different plot than what

00:24:14.700 they're presenting to the public. And then people are ignorant and they fall in a cycle of it. 0.83

00:24:18.560 You know, uh, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a eugenicist. 0.98

00:24:22.680 She hated black people and she, she wanted to use population control. And now, nowadays, 0.83

00:24:28.560 how do you know that? Is that something that she's, that she said that it's been documented that she's okay.

00:24:32.740 It's on, it's, it's on record of her making statements against black babies and literally

00:24:38.400 saying, why would you bring a baby in the world that is pretty much to have a, have the perfect

00:24:42.760 life. And that's not the way you should think about life. You know, you can't say just because

00:24:47.080 I'm poor, don't mean I can't have children. I can't love children. I cannot raise children

00:24:50.740 or because I don't have an optimum situation. Margaret Sanger on record. Um, and it is, it's played in

00:24:56.440 the movie, uncle Tom that I'm in, it's a documentary, but we have a clip of her just saying it straight out

00:25:01.360 that. Why would you bring it's evil to bring a child in the world. If you are at a certain level

00:25:08.080 of poverty or whatever the case may be, which I don't think is reasonable, but that's, she's not

00:25:12.260 God. And she's not the one to judge that. However, that, that is the reasoning behind a lot of her

00:25:17.560 practices. And it was also said that she was racist against black people. And that was her reference 1.00

00:25:22.200 point was poor black people in that situation. So, you know, you have Planned Parenthood founders who

00:25:27.220 have a, an agenda, but the people that go there are like, Oh, I just want to, you know, save my

00:25:31.160 career. It's my body, my choice. And they don't even know the initial purpose of it. Black Lives 1.00

00:25:35.580 Matter, a Marxist organization, the founders of Black Lives Matter. Self-proclaimed Marxist

00:25:40.360 organization. Self-proclaimed. It's not even, it's not speculative. It's they self-proclaimed Marxist

00:25:45.360 and you look at their website, they want to destroy the nuclear family. I mean, these are all principles 0.95

00:25:50.000 of, of communism and Marxism and things that are destroying the country. Yet they try to disguise

00:25:57.240 it as black lives. Yet they only care about black lives that can make them money. They get killed by 1.00

00:26:02.740 a white police officer because in the inner city where people are dying just this weekend, a hundred 0.88

00:26:06.860 shootings in Chicago, they, they, they won't even post condolences. Children are dying. I mean, it's over,

00:26:14.500 I think it's over a hundred kids. No, I mean, I said, I think it was 30. The last time I did a video

00:26:18.500 about it, it was over 30 kids. It's probably 50 kids at this point that have been murdered in

00:26:22.960 inner city violence. I mean, kids, I'm talking about month olds, it's my five-year-olds, six-year-olds.

00:26:28.700 We've helped out on my channel. We've, we've supported at least two children that have,

00:26:32.540 that have died. So Kariya Turner was one. We donated $300,000 to her family, but you know,

00:26:37.700 she was a little girl. I think she was like six years old and she got murdered and Black Lives Matter

00:26:42.980 wouldn't even post a picture of her. They won't even acknowledge it. So when you look at it,

00:26:48.120 the Marxist, you know, ideology that is stimulating all of these things. And when you see them in

00:26:53.500 action, you say, okay, I know exactly what they're doing. And I think the same thing is for the

00:26:58.360 Democrat party. It's like, they don't care about people coming over our border. They don't care

00:27:02.480 about, you know, um, people coming from the Southern border needing opportunities. They could

00:27:06.500 care less because if they care, they would really put an end to this illegal migration because what

00:27:13.300 happens, they bring children over here on a company. Um, the coyotes are taking them over

00:27:17.800 here. They're getting paid by the cartel. They rape these kids on the way over here. They rape 1.00

00:27:21.220 women on the way over here. I mean, it's, it's not a secret. There's sex trafficking kids over here. 1.00

00:27:25.340 It is a money-making industry of, of the cartel and Mexican officials that are, I mean, not Mexican 0.99

00:27:31.560 officials, but Mexican police that are involved in this. They are funneling these kids over there,

00:27:35.100 making lots of money. And we know it. Our government knows it. We catch the people who are fun,

00:27:40.840 who are trafficking these children, but we don't want to do anything about it is because

00:27:44.560 the Democrats by and large, in my opinion, they want a persona of, we care about you.

00:27:50.500 Come, come be a new voting block for us. We'll give you amnesty. We don't care how you get here. 0.98

00:27:56.080 We don't care. You know, you're getting people lying dead in the middle of the desert, trying to get

00:28:00.280 to, get to Arizona and stuff in, in the heat of the summer, they don't care about you. And you know,

00:28:05.520 they just need, they just need the votes. They just need the power. And, and based on what I'm saying.

00:28:10.140 How do you know, how do you know? And where does that, where does that conclusion come from?

00:28:14.380 Because I, you know, I, I know that there's a lot of people who actually do care about those

00:28:18.180 individuals. I'm one of them. You know, I, I, I feel for a father who has children, for example,

00:28:23.320 or a wife who is in a less than a great environment and, and chooses to look at the American way of life

00:28:31.300 and the American dream and the opportunities that we have here. And if I was a father, I'd be doing the

00:28:35.340 same thing. And so I look at that with a level of empathy. I agree that we need to do this legally

00:28:40.140 and we need to make sure that it's all regulated, but, but what makes you come to the conclusion that

00:28:46.080 it's a devious intent versus an honorable and noble intent?

00:28:50.400 Because you can see the flip-flopping policy. You can see the flip-flopping language,

00:28:54.040 you know, when, you know, I think it was Hillary Clinton was running against Trump or before that

00:29:02.020 election, when, when Obama was in office, Obama said it out his mouth, do not come here. It's not

00:29:07.000 safe. Uh, the Democrats were saying, do not come here. They were blaming Republicans of using cheap

00:29:12.300 labor and manipulating these people that would come over here. They pay them under the table. So 0.96

00:29:15.740 Democrats had a turd perspective and they were blaming Republicans for it. And now the Democrats are

00:29:19.980 saying, please come, please come over here. And our ICE officials and people are arresting sex 0.50

00:29:25.600 traffickers all day long. And think about it like this. We have had a Congress for, I don't know how

00:29:31.520 many years, whether they are Democrat, Republican, both sides are responsible for this to a certain

00:29:36.240 degree. Why haven't they fixed our immigration policies? They are being prejudiced towards certain

00:29:41.400 people that do need help because what about people in Africa? They don't, they can't just get on a 1.00

00:29:46.400 boat and cruise over here. They're letting people flood in from South America. And think about this. 0.79

00:29:50.860 We were just in a, in a COVID crisis, but they let people come in a country that's not even vetted. 1.00

00:29:56.400 They're not even, they're not taking vaccines. We don't know if they have COVID or not. They don't

00:30:00.340 care. They letting a whole swath of people flood our Southern border with no kind of protection for the

00:30:06.880 American citizens. Then you talk about social distancing and wearing masks. They put them in a 0.97

00:30:11.600 facility where they're not social distancing. They're laying on top of each other and during a

00:30:16.780 epidemic and during a pandemic. So when you look at it, you say, why haven't y'all fixed the policies?

00:30:22.100 You know, legally coming over into our country, you can accept more people into our country. You can

00:30:25.660 make it easier to file for asylum. And, you know, you don't have to separate families at the border if

00:30:31.180 they come seeking asylum at a, at a, at a, at a point of entry. So, you know, all of these things as a,

00:30:39.060 as a, as a citizen observant person, you can see that this is what they're doing. They create these

00:30:45.140 places called sanctuary cities and sanctuary States. And it's like, well, no, there's people

00:30:49.220 MS-13. Have you like, are we not talking about MS-13? Are we not addressing the fact that these

00:30:55.600 kids are coming over here and these people, these males and these adults with them are not even their

00:30:59.000 parents. They don't even know where their parents are at. So once they get over here and they're out in

00:31:03.720 America, who's going to take care of them? We don't, we, we can't even take care of our own kids 1.00

00:31:08.460 in America, American citizens, you know? So when you look at the totality of circumstance, you say,

00:31:14.200 man, this is a very disingenuous approach. And if any one side wanted to do something about it,

00:31:18.740 they could actually do something about it. How about we go into their country and give them 0.92

00:31:23.200 better opportunities? They don't have to come to America if we can help them and build something

00:31:27.840 for them in their own country. But we are not. Do you think that's a prudent or wise to go into

00:31:36.880 other countries, for example, and, and offer help and assistance? I mean, I was in the military and I

00:31:41.340 saw situations where we would, you know, exert our, our ideals regarding democracy and other

00:31:48.040 environments. And it didn't seem like it went all that well because we don't fully understand

00:31:53.200 different cultures and history and the animosity and contention. And it seems to me that it creates

00:32:00.180 sometimes in cases a greater problem than how we just left things alone. Like where is our obligation

00:32:07.480 in the world scene and where does it end? Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I'm,

00:32:13.060 I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I'd never, a lot of times, I don't think our government

00:32:16.560 have good intent to start with, you know, they send you over there to do, you know, work in the

00:32:22.080 community and try to help out the people that they're not, they're there to conquer. They're

00:32:25.920 there to push and get people elected that our government want to be elected, you know? And

00:32:29.620 that's why a lot of countries hate us because we down there interfering in their elections,

00:32:34.220 you know, with, with the, under the guise of helping people out and building tents for people.

00:32:38.560 And it's like, no, we want oil. That's why we came over here to be honest, weapons of mass

00:32:42.640 destruction. We, they know they lied. It was no weapons of mass destruction. And so if we actually made

00:32:48.280 an earnest attempt to do it, maybe we could be effective, but we're not in the business of

00:32:53.100 helping people out unless it benefit us. I mean, I hate to say it, but our country has a reputation

00:32:58.080 of doing that. And like I said, we, we won't give efforts in some of these places where they may be

00:33:04.320 seeking help. I mean, we've helped destroy a couple of places that will be economic booms.

00:33:08.600 We have propped up a communist or socialist dictators, I mean, Cuba and other places, you know,

00:33:15.180 we we've propped them up Venezuela. We pop them up. Uh, some of our government officials are

00:33:19.900 cheering on these guys. And then now people are starving and money means nothing in some of these

00:33:25.020 countries. And what are we doing now? We just turn a blind eye, you know? So I think if we had an

00:33:30.080 earnest attempt of doing that, we can be successful. However, we have to really understand this. And I

00:33:34.680 think that if we apply this to our own family is that you can't save the world and you can't do good

00:33:39.860 in the world if you can't even take care of your own home. And so what is the point of bringing in a 0.87

00:33:44.060 million people a year when there's a billion people starving, you're not even making a dent

00:33:47.820 in the, in, around the country. However, you're, you're putting a strain on your own country and

00:33:53.060 you have people in California that are sleeping in the road. They have MRSA, you know, homelessness

00:33:58.300 is out of control in many major cities. Poverty is, is, you know, something to be, to be concerned

00:34:04.800 about education. We're the dumbest, one of the dumbest countries on planet earth. So it's like, 1.00

00:34:09.660 we really need to focus on our own house. Like I do with my child. I focus on my own kids. I can help

00:34:14.580 other people, but I have to be stable here. And then I can reach out to help people. I don't just

00:34:19.220 let people come in my house, you know, unvetted, you know? And if I can't deal with this, I'm not

00:34:25.200 going to be successful out dealing with other people's issues. You know, Brandon, I think one

00:34:29.640 of the biggest challenges with what you're saying here is that again, the overwhelming majority of

00:34:34.620 people, I think would agree with you that we need to take care of our own. We need to make sure

00:34:37.640 we're taken care of and established and set, and then we can help from there. And not only can we

00:34:41.480 help, we'll be in a better position to help if our stuff is taken care of. It's hard though,

00:34:47.080 because people see it so differently. You know, take parenting, for example, the way that I raised

00:34:51.340 my four kids is probably similar to the way that you raise your children. Although there's probably

00:34:56.680 some differences, you know, somebody across the street or somebody on the other side of the country

00:35:01.080 is going to raise their kid differently because they're seeing it differently. We all agree,

00:35:04.420 hey, we want to take care of ours and our own. And yet the way that we go about doing it,

00:35:08.640 there might be some conflict there. And that contention, I think, is what ends up stalemating

00:35:13.260 us in a lot of ways. Yeah. And yeah, you're right. I mean, I have to be open to say that people have

00:35:18.920 a different perspective. You know, I'm more on the absolute truth side of it. You know, there's a

00:35:24.040 reasonable way to raise your children. And then there's a terrible way to raise your children.

00:35:27.780 That's why they grew up and beat criminals and out here acted a fool and you can't control them. 0.97

00:35:31.500 You know, if you give your kid everything, everything is free. They don't have to work 0.98

00:35:35.700 for anything, no accountability, no responsibility. Oh, they're just kids. They just do whatever they

00:35:39.220 want to do. And they become that adult. And I think that, you know, that goes back to the way

00:35:44.500 our country operates too, when it comes to law enforcement, you know, some people want to defund

00:35:47.880 the police and create a public programs. And it's like, no, there needs to be law enforcement

00:35:52.020 because if you just let people run rampant, what do you know? Crime rate is up 800% in Portland,

00:35:57.400 100%. And it's like, it's like not disciplining your children and then expecting them to somehow

00:36:03.180 figure it out on their own. There needs to be a level of discipline. There is a right and wrong

00:36:07.820 way within reason. You know, like, like you said, you and I may be similar in parenting. We may have

00:36:12.240 some differences, but we're not way over here in left field, you know, parenting our kids,

00:36:18.340 you know, like they're, like they're animals, you know what I'm saying? So I think to a certain

00:36:23.120 degree, there's relatively a right and the wrong way to do a lot of these things. Yeah, I agree with

00:36:28.360 that. And, you know, since we were talking about privilege earlier, there's also another privilege

00:36:32.600 that often gets overlooked and that's fatherhood privilege. You know, that the fact that a young

00:36:37.040 woman or a young man could grow up without, or excuse me, with a father in his life is a huge

00:36:41.180 privilege that I realized not every child gets, unfortunately. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, at the

00:36:46.640 end of the day, people have to look in the mirror, you know, and, and say, what am I going to do

00:36:51.120 about it? Either you be the father that needs to be in a child's life, look in the mirror and suck 1.00

00:36:55.700 it up and make sure you're there despite the drama and chaos. Or if you're a child and you grew up

00:37:01.120 without a father, you make the best of it. Don't let that be a crutch and an excuse. However, when

00:37:05.800 you look at the grand scheme of things, it should be incredibly important for people to make positive

00:37:10.700 decisions when having children, because a lot of times people look at the father and say, oh man,

00:37:14.900 the father's a deadbeat. Well, the mama was sleeping with the father who was a deadbeat. She put him 0.73

00:37:20.820 in that situation as well. Or, you know, mom left dad or whatever and broke up with him. Or mom has

00:37:26.460 multiple kids by different men who, for whatever reason, they're not involved, whether they be bad

00:37:32.020 guys or not, or you have situations. I'm not just blaming women because men need to take

00:37:35.840 responsibility, but you know, you have a woman who have a child and she feels entitled and the man has

00:37:40.200 no rights and she creates drama for the man. And, and it's hard for him to see his child. They play games

00:37:44.920 and drama. And, and eventually a man says, look, I'm moving on to start my own family. And I can't deal with

00:37:49.540 the drama anymore from this particular person. Therefore, father's not involved. And this

00:37:53.920 particular woman would celebrate and say, look, I'm this proud single mom. And I did it all by

00:37:57.620 myself, but they don't even acknowledge how the kid feel about it. You know, they had themselves on

00:38:02.700 the back, but the kid is struggling, wondering where my daddy's at. So, but I think in a culture where we

00:38:07.940 accept this, this, this, this notion of, you know, fornicating and having children out of wedlock,

00:38:13.520 and it's just totally normal. I mean, we, we put women in the position to be empowered to do these

00:38:18.880 things. Therefore, vicariously, we're allowing men to get off the hook, especially with abortions and 0.80

00:38:24.520 all these other programs that we have. It's like, that's a good point. Men, men, like if you were

00:38:29.980 an irresponsible man and you had, you, you know, you, I call it play video games. You playing video

00:38:34.460 games with a woman, y'all have a kid, you know, and you're not responsible and you're a deadbeat.

00:38:39.480 You could just walk away. Why? Because her options are government assistance, do it by herself or 1.00

00:38:44.520 have an abortion. You don't have no responsibility, but if those weren't options, a lot of men will be

00:38:50.860 forced to step up. And I think a lot of women will make better decisions about the dudes that they're 1.00

00:38:54.720 with. You know, I almost have no, I feel sorry for no woman that wasn't married. If that man didn't 0.87

00:39:01.800 love you enough to marry you, you shouldn't be sleeping with him. And so I have no sympathy and I have

00:39:07.020 no sympathy for men who weren't married and even including myself. I wasn't married when I had my

00:39:10.880 first son and I've been through hell for 11 years now. So, um, but I don't blame nobody but myself,

00:39:15.860 but anyway, that's a, that's another story, but fathers being involved is incredibly important.

00:39:22.180 And I wish our society will push that more. You know, it's funny because you say, I don't have

00:39:27.960 any sympathy, but I would actually contend with that a little bit because the message that you share

00:39:32.060 and the things I've heard you talk about, even in the past several minutes, uh, maybe it's not

00:39:35.800 sympathy, but you are trying to spread a message of truth and one that's empowering to other people.

00:39:40.400 Uh, I think we've as, as, as a society and, and, and just generally not everybody, but generally,

00:39:47.320 uh, equated, uh, making people feel good about their, their temporary decisions or their desires

00:39:55.940 is somehow an indicator of our love. But I would suggest that if you're willing to have

00:40:01.920 difficult conversations, if you're willing to challenge, uh, unhealthy assertions and assumptions

00:40:09.240 that that's a greater indicator of, I care about you, then let me affirm all the bad choices you're

00:40:15.200 making. Right. Right. I think that, you know, maybe me saying that, uh, I don't have any sympathy

00:40:20.480 is, is probably not explained in its totality. I don't have any sympathy for a person playing the

00:40:25.680 victim. If they're in that situation, I have sympathy for the person in general, because people make

00:40:30.060 mistakes, you know, you're young, you mess up. Right. But if a person want to say, Oh, look,

00:40:34.080 poor me, you know, how I'm, I'm a single mom. And it's like, well, you know, don't make excuses for

00:40:39.120 it. You know, you need to be aware that you had 100% responsibility in making a decision to be with

00:40:46.560 a man that, that was not committed to you or that he was a nut before you met him. You know what I mean?

00:40:52.560 Like, like one day he woke up and he was a bad person. He was bad to you when y'all were, uh,

00:40:56.900 you know, up in the bedroom. So when I say sympathy, it means I don't have sympathy for

00:41:02.640 person, a person playing the victim. I do have sympathy for a person who made a mistake and they

00:41:06.980 want to get on the right path and they need some words of encouragement. You fight through it until

00:41:11.100 you make it, make it better. Same thing I would say for young men that was in a position that I was

00:41:15.000 in. You keep fighting 11 years later. I keep fighting. I keep fighting. I'm a big, I'm gonna make

00:41:19.100 the best of the situation. Um, and then we'll be okay. But if a young man come and cry to me and say,

00:41:24.960 man, it's messed up. What's happening to me? Were you married? Well, no, I wouldn't. Wait,

00:41:29.240 wait, wait, wait, wait. Why are you, why are you, why are you sleeping with a person you're not

00:41:32.900 married to? You're not committed to. This is what happens to you. So don't, don't cry to me. I'm

00:41:37.180 not going to feel sorry for you, but I will say, let's, let's pick up your boots, put your, pull

00:41:41.400 your bootstraps up and let's go and let's make it better. Do the best that you can, but it ain't,

00:41:46.420 it's no time for a pity party. Yeah, I appreciate that perspective. And I think the world needs more of

00:41:52.120 that, frankly, especially that that's what I would call fathering. It isn't always nice. It

00:41:57.560 isn't always comfortable, but it's real. It's genuine. It can be in your face and it can be

00:42:03.920 uncomfortable, but it comes from the right place. And that's what it sounds like it is for you.

00:42:07.440 Don't, don't complain to me. Let me tell, teach you how not to be a victim. Let me teach you how to

00:42:12.400 make better choices. That to me is a better indicator of care. Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean,

00:42:17.740 that's how my dad treated me. Is that, uh, is that part of the reason that you became a police

00:42:22.680 officer or tell me a little bit about your story, uh, coming off your, your, your, uh, career as an

00:42:28.540 athlete and then moving into law enforcement? Yeah. Um, I mean, law enforcement was just rant.

00:42:34.900 It was random. You know, for me, it was random. Maybe God had a plan in the first place,

00:42:38.500 but for me, it was random. Um, you know, I, I was an athlete my whole life. You know,

00:42:43.740 I was an all American football player at a high school, a top player in the nation.

00:42:47.280 I had scholarship to every university that I, that I wanted to go to except Texas

00:42:51.300 university of Texas. I was, my brother was a longhorn. So is that where you want?

00:42:55.220 That's where you wanted to go. That's where I wanted to go. And they were the only team.

00:42:57.700 I mean, I was an all American. I was the number one safety. Some say I was number one,

00:43:01.460 number two in the nation. And Texas didn't offer any defensive backs in my class. They offered

00:43:06.840 like six of them in my brother's year. He was an all American the year before me.

00:43:10.160 So, you know, I was devastated. Like Texas, you know, how do you put me?

00:43:13.740 Come on down back or something. Y'all could do something. I've been a longhorn fan since I was

00:43:17.160 in the seventh grade. I used to go to the camps every year. Y'all, how dare you? But then I decided

00:43:21.660 to go and play for the university of Arizona because coach Stoops was there. Half of the

00:43:25.060 roster was from Texas. I know a lot of people there. So I played there and football just didn't turn

00:43:29.780 out the way I wanted to. And I was a tremendous athlete. I ran a four, three and a 40 had a 44 inch

00:43:35.120 vertical leave. You know, I could do the bench 32 times. Like I was a freak athlete. There was no athlete

00:43:40.020 as far as numbers that was even close to me in college. And I did that as a freshman.

00:43:45.080 I was a freshman in college. And so as an incredible athlete, I thought I was going to the NFL. My

00:43:51.260 character wasn't good enough. The coaches and I didn't vibe. We were on a, we were a losing team,

00:43:56.240 you know, so all of the factors were in place. And I was at a very low point and I got saved.

00:44:01.840 In 2008, I went to church. I got baptized in Jesus name, filled with God's spirit.

00:44:05.500 And that just revolutionized my life. It really did. I stopped cursing. I stopped listening to

00:44:09.640 rap music. I just had a different perspective on life, on race. I mean, God just opened me up to a

00:44:15.120 lot of things. So fast forward, I was in the 2010 NFL draft. So I went to college in 05. In 2010,

00:44:20.360 I was in the NFL draft, had a draft party. My agent said I was going to get drafted by the Oakland

00:44:24.480 Raiders. They passed on me in front of my whole family. We were all waiting for me to get drafted and

00:44:28.480 they passed. And I was devastated, man. Tried out for another year, whole year of training,

00:44:33.220 NFL lockout. The very next year I was the tribe with the coaches, NFL lockout happened. I couldn't

00:44:39.420 even perform in front of the agents. I think I still trained a little bit and tried out for

00:44:45.200 semi-protein, which I got an offer for. It was the Omaha Nighthawks at the time. They had offered me

00:44:49.620 to come to minicamp. However, I had met a guy who was an incredibly successful businessman.

00:44:54.900 He mentored me through the process. And this is the process when I had my son. He mentored me through

00:44:59.660 the process and told me to put an X on the calendar for football. When it's not yielding

00:45:03.700 results, man, you got to move in a different direction. And he gave me this whole speech

00:45:06.900 about how football players are rich, but he said of himself, I'm wealthy. If you're the top of the

00:45:14.660 game, you may make a couple million dollars a year. I make millions of dollars a year for the rest of

00:45:17.600 my life. He's an incredible entrepreneur. His own private jet and all these other things.

00:45:22.820 And so it really stuck to me. And I said, I need to make a decision. I applied for everything in

00:45:27.180 the city of Tucson. Police department was one of them. And I never thought about being a cop.

00:45:31.820 And eventually they called me back. And it was like, you know, at first I was like,

00:45:35.840 am I in trouble? And they're like, you're fine for the job. And I'm like, okay, all right. I mean,

00:45:40.700 so I said, let me do a ride along because I have no idea what I'm talking about. I have no idea.

00:45:44.000 Right. Right. I did a ride along and it just blew me away. Officer Sean Payne, which he's in the book

00:45:49.360 that I wrote about policing in America. And he, he, he, he, he just blew me away. I couldn't believe

00:45:55.660 that this man was doing this stuff every day. I mean, this is, this is superhero stuff. You know,

00:46:01.640 I was on the ride along when he did half a shift and we went from changing an old lady, 0.79

00:46:06.180 elderly lady. I don't like to say an old lady, but elderly lady's tire to like saving a guy who 1.00

00:46:11.080 was committing suicide. He was actively cutting his wrist when we showed up to the scene. Like

00:46:14.600 really? And Sean wasn't phased. He got back in the car and we were just talking. And I'm just like,

00:46:20.180 dude, I'm like, my heart is still racing from us driving over here. Like you, you,

00:46:24.760 you didn't done all this and you back in the car acting like nothing happened. Like,

00:46:28.340 bro, are you even human? And I'm like, and I'm so like shook that I'm like, it's no way he does

00:46:34.080 this every day. There's just like no way. And so I asked him like, do you do this every day? He said,

00:46:38.160 I do this every day. Like I do. I was blown away. Like I had never seen a person that I,

00:46:43.600 that looked at and I said, dang, this dude is a real hero. Like these football players are cool.

00:46:48.080 You know, it's some sacrifice and some hard work, but like, no doubt. Right.

00:46:50.940 They're not doing this. And, and I said, you know, I want to be that guy. So I finished the

00:46:56.240 application. I performed really well. I was at the top of the class and, you know, I became a police

00:47:00.720 officer. You talked about your character being off when you were playing football in college.

00:47:06.100 What do you mean by that specifically? Man, I grew up, I grew up in what I would consider a violent

00:47:12.000 environment, man. You know, I had a violent attitude. Um, I actually got kicked out of high school

00:47:18.100 when in my senior year, after I committed to the university of Arizona, I got kicked out of high

00:47:22.300 school. Um, because I threw a chair at a teacher and to be honest, I was going to fight her if it 1.00

00:47:28.660 would, if it was, and she was a woman, I was going to be, I was going to beat her up. If she wasn't, 1.00

00:47:32.180 if it wasn't for my friend who was holding me back to play football with me, they ended up kicking me

00:47:36.140 out of school. They brought me back after three or six weeks. I can't remember if we appealed it or not,

00:47:40.860 but they, they, I was in alternative school and then they brought me back, which was good because I

00:47:44.900 wanted to finish running track. Um, because you know, I, I was a all American football player.

00:47:49.760 I couldn't be an alternative school. And so they ended up bringing me back and, and, and, but,

00:47:54.440 but man, my attitude was still very violent, man. I used to listen to rap music. I grew up,

00:47:58.960 you know, my cousin then was all gangster. You know, I got jumped in the gang when I was like

00:48:02.620 10, you know, my cousin, we used to fight each other all the time, you know? And so I just,

00:48:08.600 I just grew up around that, man. I just felt, I was a very violent young man. Um, I had a good heart,

00:48:13.780 but like, if you say the wrong thing to me, I get offended. I was emotional. And so when I got to

00:48:18.600 college and the coaches were yelling at me, man, I was not taking it well, you know, like I went to

00:48:22.720 fight them and stuff. I wasn't, you know, you know, you were in the military, you know, in the

00:48:26.720 military, you go to bootcamp, you can't take it personal. You know, it's just like yelling at you.

00:48:30.540 Yeah. It isn't personal. It feels like it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's a game. You know, they, they may,

00:48:34.800 it may make you feel that way. You may feel like they, they, they hate you. They want to kill you,

00:48:38.940 but you know, it's, it's just a, it's a thing that they're playing to develop you. But when I was,

00:48:43.960 you know, I didn't know nothing about this. And I got to college and they were calling me names and

00:48:47.780 stuff. I was, my mom was like, I'm going to fight these guys. Like, you know, it was,

00:48:51.820 you'll never talk, disrespect me like that. And so that wasn't a good fit. And that kind of led to

00:48:57.720 my career, not really, uh, going in the direction I wanted to go in. Yeah. Do you think that, uh,

00:49:03.600 that, that violent upbringing and personality was drawn out by the people you're with? It sounds

00:49:09.800 like your dad was around and it sounds like, I mean, you, you already alluded to some things that

00:49:13.560 he had taught you that I think were healthy, but where did, where did that response to some of these

00:49:19.260 things come from? Yeah. I can say, uh, my mom was pretty, pretty violent. You know, she was a very 0.94

00:49:25.960 violent person. You know, she's a great person. She loved me and my brother to death that she'd do 1.00

00:49:29.120 anything for us. And I hope she don't get offended, but she was, she was very violent, you know,

00:49:33.000 like she fight people and you know, that's the way it was, you know, her and my step-mama got into a 0.96

00:49:37.940 physical fight. You know, we were in middle school, uh, right in the front yard. And, you know,

00:49:42.220 cause my mama grew up around violence, you know, my, my grandmother actually had my mama at 12 years

00:49:46.420 old and at 12, 12, she got raped by my grandfather and, uh, you know, my grandmother got raped by my

00:49:53.380 grandfather and she had my mom at 12 years old. So she can't read. She still to this day, she can't 0.96

00:49:58.880 read back then when you, if you had a child, you couldn't go to school.

00:50:03.000 And then on top of that report and my family was illiterate. So it's not like anybody taught

00:50:07.760 her to read. So even today in 2021, she can't really read anything. So, and my grandfather's

00:50:13.720 in my, my, I call him my grandfather because he was, he was with my grandmother since he was 16,

00:50:18.600 but my original real grandfather passed away. Um, but my grandfather, Willie B, he, he's in the,

00:50:25.540 he retired military. He got out cause he had PTSD. Um, and you know, he can read. So that's the

00:50:31.200 only way she could survive is because he knows, he knows how to read, but, you know, growing up

00:50:35.740 around that and my cousins, a couple of my family was doing life in prison. You know, I just, it

00:50:41.560 wasn't my dad. It was, it was really like peers. And then it was rap music because that's, I just,

00:50:49.540 you know, you listen to Tupac and you, you have all of that stuff cycling in your, your system and

00:50:54.500 your brainwashing yourself with all this violent music subconsciously. And so with all of that,

00:51:00.760 it's easier for you to, you know, what I call flash off on people, you know, you get offended,

00:51:04.900 you get emotional and you start living out the stuff that you've been brainwashing yourself on

00:51:09.240 and the stuff that you've seen as a young man. And, you know, you know, not letting nobody punk

00:51:13.020 you, you know, you can't let anybody talk, disrespect you. And, and that's kind of where it came

00:51:17.280 from. It was less likely my dad. I mean, my dad was pretty, he was respectful, but my dad,

00:51:21.500 you know, we get out of line, he'll tear you up, man. Like we got many whoopings and that was

00:51:26.440 violent. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, so I think some of that kind of led to the,

00:51:31.540 to the aggressiveness that I had, which made me good at football, you know, so no doubt. Yeah.

00:51:36.120 If you can control and channel that anger and that aggression, it makes you, uh, yeah,

00:51:40.120 it makes you significantly better athlete. You have that competitive edge, you know, and I,

00:51:43.480 and I, I've, uh, trained jujitsu and other things with guys who, you know, have it and other guys who

00:51:48.140 don't, some guys can turn it on and off. Some guys have no control of it whatsoever. Uh, yeah,

00:51:53.700 that mentality certainly makes you good in one aspect of life, but it doesn't necessarily translate

00:51:57.580 over in a healthy manner into other aspects of your life. True. It sounds like you, uh, have,

00:52:03.840 have broken the chain maybe a little bit or, or, or deviated courses in a good way. Do you feel like

00:52:09.380 that? And how do you feel about the direction that you've taken your life? And now of course your

00:52:13.180 family as well. Yeah. I feel like God separated me, you know, like, uh, you know, I was, I didn't

00:52:18.320 want to leave Texas. I, you know, my whole family lives in Texas. I was just, was never going to

00:52:21.760 leave Texas no matter what happened. Never. I don't think I ever visited a place outside of Texas.

00:52:25.460 I think we went to the Grand Canyon or something one time, but I, you know, I was never going to

00:52:29.520 leave Texas, but I feel like God set me up to go to the university of Arizona so I can get away from

00:52:33.960 the environment I was in and learn something new and see the world from a different perspective. Like I grew up

00:52:40.360 with just everything being about black people, you know, in the Afro-centric perspective,

00:52:44.240 all my family's black, every concern that I thought was realistic was just from,

00:52:48.300 from the perspective of being black, you know, all the, some of those concerns.

00:52:51.600 Yeah. I mean, the police hate you. White people hate you. Um, you've got to work three times as 0.97

00:52:56.960 hard as anybody else to be successful in life. You know, uh, you're never going to make it to the

00:53:01.180 top. They ain't never going to be a black person in this position because white people always have 0.95

00:53:04.280 this cloud over you and people follow you around in the store. That's what you were being taught 0.96

00:53:09.980 did you, so did you experience that or was your experience different than what you were being

00:53:16.820 conditioned to believe? Well, some of it was, so this is how I figured down. I'm grown. And I see,

00:53:23.780 look back on it is that I created them think those things in my mind, because that's what I believe

00:53:28.100 was true. So if I see some white person look at me, I'm like, Oh, you just look at me because I'm 0.97

00:53:33.180 black. You know, I mean, I don't, I have no idea why they look at me. I got pulled over by cops at

00:53:37.120 least twice when I was in high school. And now I look back as a police officer, they were actually

00:53:41.760 incredibly nice. They didn't even give me a ticket. And then I would have done the same thing.

00:53:45.240 That was a real law, you know? And, and, and, but when, at the time I was like, Oh man, that cop is

00:53:50.440 racist. You know, they put me over cause I'm black. They didn't want to see a black man driving a, 0.76

00:53:53.800 uh, I had a Mustang. I didn't want to see a black man driving a Mustang. And I'm like, 1.00

00:53:58.360 when I'm a game cop, I'm like, cops make a pretty good money. Like a Mustang is not a significant

00:54:02.220 car to a police officer. And if the guy wanted to be a jerk, he would have gave me a ticket, 0.99

00:54:05.400 you know, like he could have made me go to court and brought me, I had all kinds of problems, but 0.98

00:54:09.380 I never got a ticket even when I got pulled over, you know? So except me and my brother was weaving

00:54:14.360 on a freeway one time, we were, we were kind of like racing on the freeway and we got pulled over.

00:54:18.540 And I think one of us got a ticket and they ended up being thrown out. But, you know, so it was all

00:54:24.040 created in my mind and it became my reality. I did. I have to work five times as hard as anybody else

00:54:29.100 to be successful. No, that wasn't true. And when I got to college is when I realized like, dang,

00:54:34.880 like white people really don't, they are not that concerned about black people. Like I thought 0.55

00:54:39.660 they were like, there's not one person on campus that have ever been racist to me.

00:54:44.340 My teachers love me. One reason, because I was an athlete, but, but in general, never had a problem

00:54:49.460 with any of my teachers. I go to the TA or, you know, it was, it was never an issue. I had, I started

00:54:55.000 to develop white friends that were cooler than my black friends. It was like, man, I'm just, I think I've 0.97

00:55:00.340 been living under in a, in a, in a real weird place. And it was, when I got away from it and I

00:55:05.720 got saved, I started seeing the world differently. I stopped looking at race. When I got saved, I was

00:55:10.620 like, you know, we're all God's children. You know, we, what is this race thing? Nobody cares. You

00:55:15.540 know, only it's either good person or bad person, you know, good people don't care about it. Bad

00:55:20.140 people do. And, you know, at the end of the day, we're going to all have to answer to God. So,

00:55:23.960 I mean, that's kind of what really changed my trajectory. It's, it's interesting that you're

00:55:30.100 saying nobody cares because I've, I've felt that way. And it's not to say that I don't acknowledge

00:55:34.280 that your skin, for example, is a little darker than mine. Like, obviously, you know, we can see

00:55:39.200 that. But I've always thought, Hey, this isn't a, this isn't a big deal to me. This isn't something I

00:55:47.740 care deeply about. And yet I've been told by, you know, mainstream media and society that,

00:55:55.640 well, that actually is also an indicator that, that you're racist. It's like everything is right.

00:56:01.500 You know, whatever, whatever I do or don't do, like everything is, is painted in this corner of,

00:56:05.900 of being a racist. It's very, very interesting and frustrating, quite frankly.

00:56:10.240 Right. Therefore you could tell how disingenuous these conversations are because,

00:56:13.820 you know, they have this plot of the boogeyman, the white racist boogeyman. That's, it's not real 0.94

00:56:20.180 because when you think about it, they say, okay, racism is real in America. Well, you hardly ever

00:56:25.100 see real examples of racism. I mean, you could see one every now and again, some nut job. That's a

00:56:29.620 complete nut. It's not a normal person being raised a nut job. And you see that and they go, Oh, look at 0.57

00:56:34.480 racism. And then you say, okay, there's not a lot of issues with race. We don't have a lot of

00:56:38.600 examples. Oh, it's systemic. That means that we don't have to identify any one place. We just say,

00:56:43.820 it's in systems. Well, what system, the court system? Well, what judge, what, what evidence

00:56:48.280 do you have? So let's get rid of that judge. Oh no, no, no, no. It's systemic. It's even

00:56:51.180 beyond the judge. And the judge says, I'm not racist. I've never done anything racist. No,

00:56:54.700 you don't, but you don't know it. You're racist, but you don't know it's subconscious. 0.92

00:56:58.500 It's implicit. You're like, bro, it is a never ending lie. It's just, it's just not true. And like 0.99

00:57:04.300 most people in general don't care about race because it's so insignificant to everyday survival.

00:57:10.640 Like a regular person that's white in America, you know, majority of the time you probably don't, 0.94

00:57:15.420 most white people are probably not around black people like that because typically even in America,

00:57:19.300 we still like, it's kind of segregated. Very segregated.

00:57:22.220 We live with white people, black people typically live around black people. When I grew up around 0.92

00:57:25.080 black people, I never saw white people. Like except crackheads that you come in the community and 0.98

00:57:29.240 buy drugs or police officers. That's about it. That's the only white people that was in our community. 0.99

00:57:33.540 So, you know, most people are like, they just want to go to work, man. They go to work.

00:57:36.900 They're trying to feed their family. They're trying to figure out this life. Some people

00:57:40.280 trying to find their way with God. And, and, and most of the time is not a big issue. However,

00:57:46.120 the manipulation in the mind through black people create this. So if a cop beat up a black man, 1.00

00:57:52.400 it's not that the guy's a bad cop, it's that he's racist. It's like, no, the guy's a, 0.97

00:57:56.960 he's a bad cop. I mean, he'd be white guy up that way. Um, you know, and, and, and so it's,

00:58:02.480 it's, it's very weird. When I was a cop, I never saw a racist cop. I saw cops who were racially

00:58:06.700 insensitive, you know, but I never saw a racist cop. I never saw anybody overtly racist or

00:58:11.560 we just didn't have time. Like that's the most miserable life ever as a person to be a racist

00:58:16.740 cop, because you got to go save the black people. When they call 911, my husband just beat me up. 0.99

00:58:22.840 You can't just say, I don't know. I'm going to that one. Cause he's black. You know, you got to go. 1.00

00:58:26.260 And then if your husband is on his way back to the house with a gun, you can't say, well, I'm not

00:58:31.420 going to, I'm not going to intervene in that. Cause I don't like black people. You're going to have to put 1.00

00:58:34.620 your life in danger over black people all day long. Especially if you live in like the South 1.00

00:58:38.600 South Chicago, where it's majority white black community, you are literally risking your life 1.00

00:58:43.340 and saving and dying for black people all day long. So the concept is just, it's all manipulation to 0.73

00:58:52.300 me. Now there are some racist white people out here. There's racist, of course, no doubt. 0.98

00:58:55.780 There's racist black. I would argue that there's more racist black people than racist white people, 0.99

00:58:59.340 but, um, there's an incredible amount of racist people on either side, man. Hispanic people hate 1.00

00:59:04.780 black people. I mean, when I was growing up, black and Hispanic lived in a similar community and we 0.98

00:59:09.320 hate each other. Um, black people hate white people. You know what I'm saying? Like when I was growing 0.99

00:59:14.740 up and ain't nobody talks about this cause they feel like black people can't be racist. When I was

00:59:18.340 growing up, you know, my, my grandmother and them used to hate white people, you know, and, and, you know,

00:59:23.220 those same stereotypes. When I was young, you can't, you can't date a white girl. You're a sellout. You're Uncle Tom. 0.73

00:59:29.120 You sell out your race. I was wondering if you, you probably get that to, to this day. I bet more 1.00

00:59:33.760 than you can probably imagine, or I could anyways. I have never gotten a white person personally. I

00:59:39.820 mean, I, I think, I think my wife may have got a comment from a white person, but I have never

00:59:43.640 gotten a comment from a white person saying anything about me marrying a white woman. My wife is white. 1.00

00:59:47.640 I get comments all day from black people that I hate my people. I'm selling out. That's why I went and 1.00

00:59:54.060 married that white woman. It's like racism in the black community is very prevalent. I mean, 0.99

00:59:59.080 just look at BLM. That's a, that's an organization of racist racism, but there are racist people in 0.70

01:00:05.060 every aspect of life. It's not excluded to, or it's exclusive to any race. It's just, it's just

01:00:11.300 the spirit of evilness that's in people that caused them to lash out in, in different forms.

01:00:16.860 You've talked about your, your path with God and Christ is, as changing the trajectory of your life.

01:00:22.480 Is, is that the biggest factor? Why you, why you are where you are? Like,

01:00:25.760 what do you attribute to that? A hundred percent. It's, it's that God changed me. That's what,

01:00:29.960 that's what it was. My attitude, everything, it just changed the way I look at things. And I,

01:00:33.900 and I, and I see, you know, God has a path for me. It's not just me out here, a lone wolf,

01:00:38.700 just trying to figure it out. It's like, nah, man, be patient, keep working hard, you know,

01:00:43.760 be a person with accountability, with integrity. And the tips are going to fall where God want them to

01:00:50.040 fall. And if they don't fall the way you want them to just know that there's a plan and that

01:00:54.300 there's something better. NFL, I'm glad I didn't make it to the NFL. People probably laugh at me.

01:00:59.920 I'm glad I made it to the NFL. I'm far more successful now than I would, than I would have

01:01:03.780 been if I made it to the NFL in a general sense, unless I was Tom Brady, which is, you know, even

01:01:08.380 less of a percentage point because I was a defensive back and they come a dime a dozen. So, you know,

01:01:13.960 I'm way more successful. I have way more influence. I'm, you know, financially I'm, I'm stable than most

01:01:21.120 of my NFL friends. You know, they, they, they still, they trying to figure out their life.

01:01:25.140 I'm, I'm in my stride, you know? So, and I've been able to influence people in a way that I

01:01:30.240 would have never been able to influence people. And also my own perspective, you know, getting

01:01:35.320 outside and of that toxic situation I was in and growing up in a certain community to now being open

01:01:42.180 to conservatism. And, and, and, and ever since I realized what conservatism was and that I'm a

01:01:47.200 conservative, I've been free ever since I've been free. I've been blessed. I make the most money

01:01:52.100 I've ever made. I make the most friends. I feel like I'm a part of the American fabric. And I never

01:01:57.480 felt like that until I pretty much realized that I like, I'm a conservative, like dang, the

01:02:03.340 conservatives think just like I think all these people are very inspiring. We believe in capitalism,

01:02:07.160 make as much money as you can and help as many people as you can. Like, you know, I employ so many

01:02:11.320 different people and I pay them very well. I give them bonuses. I love on them. You know,

01:02:15.020 I care about their families and, and that's what it's all about, man. It's not about the

01:02:19.580 government. It's about individuals taking, taking control. And I, I will treat the people that work

01:02:24.520 with me. I call, I like to say they work with me. I'll treat them better than the government

01:02:27.840 would ever treat them because the government is, is nameless and doesn't care about you.

01:02:31.580 It's only, you know, after, after set its own agenda, but as a person, I love the people that

01:02:38.100 work with me and I support them. And I, you know, I want to build an empire with, you know,

01:02:43.440 where I can support as many people as I can. That's powerful. Such a powerful perspective.

01:02:48.300 You said, uh, that God has a path for you or, or something along those lines. I don't want to put

01:02:53.680 words in your mouth. Uh, if you were to be able to define or articulate what that path is, or even

01:02:58.660 what that path is moving forward, what would you say it is? Man, that's a, that's a good question.

01:03:03.240 I think that God has put me in a position to be the voice of the people, you know, uh, the people

01:03:08.000 that, that, that see things the way I see things and I'm their voice and a voice of encouragement

01:03:12.880 and the voice of authenticity, you know, somebody like, you know, a lot of people inspired. A lot

01:03:17.200 of people have come to me and said that they want to commit suicide, but I gave them hope. Uh, you

01:03:22.640 know, a lot of people that happen to be white are saying, man, I was ready to give up. And I thought

01:03:26.200 the world was just coming to an end and I felt so pressured and, you know, so beat down from being

01:03:30.880 white, but you gave me hope that there's, that not everybody feels that way and that there's another

01:03:35.460 side to this thing. And, and so, but also God has called me to witness and be, try to be an

01:03:42.120 example of what Jesus was and that's through being successful and also being a servant to

01:03:48.760 the people. And so with all the success that I've been able to get, I mean, we've given

01:03:52.760 away, I've given away almost a half a million dollars, uh, to people. And then when you add

01:03:58.200 Blexit, we've given away over a million dollars to people in the last year. So, um, you know,

01:04:03.000 it's, it's, that's what, that's what God wants me to be is the light and be a reflection

01:04:06.520 of Christ and be able to speak up for the people and be the voice and also be, you know,

01:04:12.600 an example of, you can be a Christian and be successful. I mean, you can be a Christian

01:04:16.440 and have a fun life, um, and you can influence the world and, and, and you can be, uh, reassured

01:04:22.880 that God has a plan and you can follow that plan and that plan will lead to happiness and

01:04:27.580 not necessarily disappointment. Well, from one man's perspective, you're doing a phenomenal

01:04:32.800 job. That's why I want to have this conversation with you. You know, I know you've got a book

01:04:36.280 coming up in the fall and, uh, we, I'd be honored to have you back on as if you want to talk about

01:04:40.900 it, honored to have you back here, but, uh, why don't you tell me a little bit about the book and

01:04:44.040 the premise and that way guys know where to turn when it comes out. And I think November, is that

01:04:48.040 right? Yeah. November the 30th. And I'll be, it'd be an honor for me to come back. And I think

01:04:52.660 you've done an incredible job. You know, some people can't interview, you know, they just,

01:04:56.520 they don't know how to talk. They don't know how to lead questions. And I think you've done a tremendous

01:04:59.220 job. Thank you. Next time I'll have my, uh, my, uh, camera set properly. Cause I can, I feel like

01:05:04.860 it's lagging a little bit. However, the book, uh, being black and blue was just a dream of mine.

01:05:09.280 I had a dream when I was actually a dream. I had a vision that when I was, you know, when I was a

01:05:14.200 police officer with no influence going check the check, you know, apparently making, I had to work

01:05:18.420 off duty and overtime just to make my bills. So, you know, I never thought that I, the book would be,

01:05:24.960 you know, I just, it was a thought, it was a vision in my mind that I was going to write a book

01:05:27.760 called being black and blue. And then the other book, you know, I won't name it cause I don't

01:05:31.340 want anybody stealing my idea, but it was two books and, you know, lo and behold, you know,

01:05:35.980 the opportunity presented itself. And, you know, I wrote the book called being black and blue.

01:05:40.940 And it's a book that's, you know, it, it, it encompassed a lot of different things. You know,

01:05:45.020 I talk about a little bit about my upbringing, how I became a police officer, you know, racism and,

01:05:49.940 and prejudice on the police department and police brutality and, and, um, you know, a defund the police.

01:05:56.340 We even talk about George Floyd, that, that, uh, whole entire case. We talk about other cases of

01:06:01.440 police brutality that were, where cops were right, but the public say that they're wrong. And then

01:06:05.600 we have some where the cops were wrong and the public say they wrong, you know, so put that in

01:06:11.000 there. And then I interviewed five officers, one being Sean Payne, which is the officer that, that

01:06:14.760 really is the reason I became a police officer interviewed them about, you know, what is it like

01:06:18.480 being a police police officer in this environment? And then what are the solutions? You know,

01:06:23.480 what are the solutions to the problems? And, and, and I finished the book giving solutions,

01:06:27.420 not only from those police officers that give their take on it, but then, uh, people get an

01:06:32.180 opportunity to hear my perspective on what I think is the winning solution to kind of curb and fix

01:06:36.780 these things. I think the book gives the police officers a voice and it gives the public a little

01:06:40.400 bit of insight on, on kind of what we go through. I think both are valuable. I had notes to talk about

01:06:45.480 that, but just for the sake of time, we'll maybe we'll save that for part two. When the book comes out,

01:06:49.060 we're going to sync everything up. So the guys know where to turn, but man, I appreciate you.

01:06:52.780 And I appreciate your work. I'm actually really looking forward to the next time we do this,

01:06:55.820 because there are other conversations that need to be had. And, uh, I'm honored to be able to have

01:07:01.280 this conversation with you, brother. Thanks for joining me.

01:07:03.840 Well, it's my pleasure. And I love to have continued this conversation. Um, there's a lot of things that

01:07:09.260 men, uh, need to talk about. And I think a lot of people may not, it may not be intentional,

01:07:14.880 but they don't touch on these things and it's touchy subject and people don't want to hurt

01:07:17.880 people's feelings and they don't want to be sound sexist and, and, you know, all this sort of stuff.

01:07:22.000 And it's like, nah, we need to have these conversations. We need real men to have

01:07:24.680 conversations about certain things that men go through certain things that women go through.

01:07:29.100 Because in my perspective, we are the leaders of the nation. You know, I think that, you know,

01:07:34.500 everybody's equal in general, generally speaking, their worth is equal. However, the position is

01:07:39.500 different. Men need to lead. And according to the Bible, the man is the head of the household. 0.93

01:07:44.380 And the reason why our country is falling apart is because men does not take their position. 0.97

01:07:48.540 You know, it's not up to women to do it. And although women are taking the lead and, and, and, 1.00

01:07:53.020 and to me, it's a shame that men cannot lead. You know, women have to take up the slack. Women have 0.99

01:07:58.120 to take care of the kids. Women have to go out and be CEOs and work and be mama. You know, 1.00

01:08:03.140 people can do what they want to do as America. However, I think men need to take the responsibility

01:08:09.320 and start stepping up and being solid men with integrity, leading and raising families.

01:08:14.980 And even if you don't have a family, be a man that a woman can marry for the sake of, for God's

01:08:20.100 sake, all these trashy men out here, there's a lot of good women that don't have nobody to marry 1.00

01:08:23.800 because they still playing video games and want to, and I'm not saying anything wrong playing video 0.94

01:08:27.660 games, but I'm saying if you don't have a bank account, you don't have good credit. You don't,

01:08:30.760 you don't have a job. You probably shouldn't be playing video games all day, but we have men that are

01:08:34.860 just, you know, caught up in this environment and they're not taking their position in society.

01:08:38.420 And we watch our society crumble on the, on the shoulders of emotionalism and men need to take

01:08:44.080 a strong stance with a logical perspective and lead. And if, and if we do that in our nation,

01:08:50.300 I really do think we can see a really remarkable recovery, but men have to take their responsibility 1.00

01:08:58.400 of the failure of success in this country.

01:09:03.280 What better way to just put a stamp on our conversation, man. That's powerful stuff.

01:09:08.020 Very powerful. I'm very much in alignment with that. All right, brother, I'll let you get going.

01:09:12.000 I know you've got a busy schedule, but I appreciate you and your time and your insight. The guys are

01:09:15.340 really going to enjoy what we've been talking about today. Thanks, man.

01:09:17.880 Thank you, Ryan. I appreciate it, man.

01:09:20.600 All right, guys, there you go. Mr. Brandon Tatum. I hope you enjoyed that one. I know I personally did.

01:09:26.220 We had a great conversation, talked about a lot of topics that are important and obviously

01:09:29.580 pressing in society today. Uh, I will tell you that I am striving to, uh, really approach all

01:09:38.160 angles and all perspectives. And so I know I've had a lot of people on who agree with what I agree

01:09:42.900 with, but I am trying to round that out. So if you have people that you want me to talk with people

01:09:48.340 that are interested in having an intelligent discussion, I don't want to get into a pissing

01:09:51.940 match with people. Uh, but if there are people you are interested in having an intelligent

01:09:56.480 discussion with that may not fully agree with me, please let me know. Obviously Brandon and I agree

01:10:01.120 on a lot, uh, but I'm trying to give you a balanced approach to masculinity, manliness, and

01:10:05.680 some of the topics and, and issues of today. So please connect with Brandon. He's got that book

01:10:11.400 coming out. Uh, we're going to do round two closer to when that book comes out in November,

01:10:14.980 but, uh, guys, please share, let us know what you have going on. Share this with the people that

01:10:23.100 need to hear it. Leave the ratings, leave the reviews, comment, mention, et cetera,

01:10:26.340 et cetera. You know what you need to do. You have your marching orders. I try to add a lot

01:10:29.820 of value to your lives. Brandon obviously adds a lot of value to people's lives. Connect with him,

01:10:34.400 connect with me, leave a ratings and reviews, share, drop him a message. Let me let him know

01:10:39.480 that you heard him here on the podcast and let's keep this thing going. We got our marching orders.

01:10:43.000 We've got a lot of work to do. This is an uphill battle. One I'm willing to fight and one I'm

01:10:47.560 willing to plant my flag on. I hope you're with me to some degree. So with that said, we'll be back

01:10:54.000 tomorrow for our ask me anything until then guys go out there, take action and become the man you are

01:11:01.420 meant to be.

BRANDON TATUM on White Privilege, Toxic Masculinity, and America's Role in the World

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