Order of Man - BRANDON TATUM ｜ Two Sides to Every Story

00:00:00.000 Most of us, when formulating an opinion or perspective about a cultural issue,

00:00:04.500 well, we tend to look at it from one side of the story, myself included. But if we have any chance

00:00:09.140 of making real societal and cultural changes that actually improve our way of life, it's crucial

00:00:15.240 that we look at what we see from all different sides. And that's what my guest today, Brandon

00:00:20.080 Tatum and I talk about seeing problems from all the angles and then waiting for all of the

00:00:24.840 information before actually formulating opinions. We also cover the Kyle Rittenhouse and Ahmaud

00:00:30.780 Arbery cases, the dangers of the defund the police movement and what, if any, reform in

00:00:36.240 policing is actually needed, whether or not systemic racism actually exists, our emotions

00:00:41.820 and our responses to them, use of force laws, and we cover so much more. You're a man of action.

00:00:47.640 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly charge your own path. When life

00:00:52.720 knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred,

00:00:58.180 defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who

00:01:04.860 you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself

00:01:10.040 a man.

00:01:11.180 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm the host and the founder

00:01:14.840 of the Order of Man podcast and this movement that's going strong now for six and a half years

00:01:21.060 in the spring of 2022 will be seven years. It's wild to think about how long it's been.

00:01:25.640 Just want to tell you on the back of Thanksgiving last week that I do appreciate every single

00:01:30.460 one of you tuning in, listening in, sharing. It's very, very important to me and society

00:01:37.440 in general that we share this message of reclaiming and restoring masculinity. It's being dismissed.

00:01:41.860 It's being undermined. It's being rooted away at every turn. And this is the counter to

00:01:47.660 that societal and cultural shift. And we're trying to turn the tides and help men become

00:01:52.680 the best versions of themselves so we can serve ourselves, our families, our communities,

00:01:56.580 our businesses, and every other facet of life. So we do that via this podcast with great interviews

00:02:01.500 today. I'm joined by Brandon Tatum. He's back. He came on about six months ago, five, six months

00:02:06.160 ago, and he's back to finish up the conversation. So we're going to get into that in just a minute.

00:02:09.980 Before I do, I want to let you know, I've got exciting news. The iron council, our exclusive

00:02:14.320 brotherhood is back open as of tomorrow, December 1st, we're only opening it for a very, very

00:02:20.180 short period of time. So we can ramp into 2022 with guys who genuinely want to be part of this

00:02:26.540 movement, want to be part of this battle and then want to improve themselves. So I'll talk

00:02:30.280 more about it later, but wanted to let you know, if you're interested, you can check it

00:02:33.420 out at orderofman.com slash iron council orderofman.com slash iron council. Now for now, let me get

00:02:40.000 to our guest again, his name is Brandon Tatum. Like I said, we had him on in July and we had

00:02:46.080 so much positive feedback. I knew that I wanted to have him back on for round two. And especially

00:02:50.860 considering he just released his first book, which is available today as of the release

00:02:54.880 of this podcast, it's called beaten black and blue being a black cop in an America under

00:03:00.080 siege. But Brandon is a former all American athlete. He's, he was a top NFL prospect with

00:03:05.680 the university of Arizona. Um, he went undrafted in the NFL, which really changed the trajectory

00:03:12.780 of his life. And then he became a police officer and now he's a political, uh, commentator

00:03:18.740 and he's been featured on some of the top news outlets in the world. He's the CEO of three

00:03:24.340 companies. He's the co-founder of Blexit, and he's a very valuable voice in conservative

00:03:29.820 values and principles. Um, he talks a lot about, uh, his faith and how that changed his

00:03:35.960 life. He talks a lot about the cultural events and he's not afraid to, uh, say it like he

00:03:40.940 sees it, but also be rational and level-headed about, uh, formulating his own opinion. So

00:03:45.400 guys, I hope you enjoy this conversation. Brandon, what's up, man. Good to see you again.

00:03:50.580 Glad to have you back and, uh, joining us on the order of man podcast.

00:03:53.820 Yeah, my pleasure.

00:03:55.520 I should have looked, I don't know how long it's been, but, uh, it hasn't been that long

00:03:59.480 in the amount of stuff. We'll just say stuff right now. That's happened since I last talked

00:04:05.860 to you is just, it's absolutely insane. I think it's a testament to the earlier conversation

00:04:09.580 that we had.

00:04:10.560 Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. The work, the world is going crazy.

00:04:14.360 It is. What, what do you attribute that to?

00:04:17.500 Um, it's a lot of things. It's a lot of different things, man. I think, I think the COVID thing

00:04:23.180 and most people's emotions are very high. People are, you know, the economy is uncertain,

00:04:28.580 you know, people have lost faith in God. Pastors are pimped out. I mean, you, all of these things

00:04:35.240 is a combination of, um, this, this division that we face and this, this unlawfulness and

00:04:41.180 the minds of people. So I think it's a, it's a, it's a few different things. It's hard to put

00:04:46.120 my finger on one thing, but, uh, there's a lot of contributing factors here.

00:04:50.740 You know, one of the things that makes me most frustrated is I genuinely believe that you're

00:04:55.600 trying to put good information into the world. I'm trying to put good information into the world.

00:04:59.320 And it seems like even as you try to put a good message out in the world and you try to share

00:05:04.080 how you might be able to help people still are so pessimistic about it and almost indifferent and

00:05:11.000 nihilistic to potential solutions to solve some of our problems. And that's becoming very

00:05:15.340 discouraging for me. I don't know how you feel about that.

00:05:17.320 Yeah. I mean, you know, I, I hate to say this. I don't want to say I'm pessimistic myself, but

00:05:23.120 most people are, they're just following the trend. You know, I've learned that a lot of people don't

00:05:28.940 do any research for themselves. Uh, they're not optimistic because they don't, they haven't looked

00:05:33.480 into nothing. They don't, they don't understand. They just listened to a pundit. So if a guy that

00:05:37.460 they liked the most was telling you that everything is going to crap and nothing is going to get better.

00:05:41.320 There's no solutions to the problem. They believe it. They're not going to look anything up. They're not

00:05:44.860 going to do research on their own and they're going to consult with their family. They're going

00:05:47.800 to believe whoever they want to believe. Um, and I think that that's probably majority of the people,

00:05:51.960 thank God that a lot of people follow me. So the majority of people will hear a positive message

00:05:56.220 from me and, and a lot of the, and probably a lot of those people just run with it, you know? So,

00:06:00.260 um, you know, in no way, form or fashion, am I dissing anybody that, that support me or support you

00:06:06.080 or whatever, but I would encourage people to, to be individuals too. You know, don't forget about your

00:06:11.480 own individual excellence. And the fact that if you, if you see a problem out there, if you,

00:06:16.580 if you are looking for solutions, you have the availability and access, especially if you live

00:06:21.760 in America to research and come to your own conclusion. Even if you follow people, you trust,

00:06:27.800 listen to them, hear them as a side of the argument, and then draw your own conclusions based on the

00:06:33.140 things that you have actually looked into and researched. Yeah. You know, another thing I think is

00:06:37.100 important is just getting to know people offline. Um, I was having an online conversation about,

00:06:42.260 um, Oh, this, uh, this woman, uh, had posted a sign on her door. Like I'm a single mother trying to,

00:06:49.600 trying to take care of this business and, you know, please have mercy. Don't be looting and writing and

00:06:54.880 whatnot around my store. And I posted this and, you know, I had some people agree the overwhelming

00:06:59.720 majority of people agree that we, as men should step up and protect and things like that. But I had a

00:07:04.380 couple of people who disagreed, but there was one conversation in particular with somebody who,

00:07:08.860 I don't think we saw things totally eye to eye, but the difference is, is that we actually know

00:07:13.920 each other. We've broken bread together. We spent time together. We've talked face to face together.

00:07:19.060 And even in disagreement, we can be respectful and we can try to come to some mutual conclusions

00:07:23.620 because we know each other, but so many people, man, they don't even know their neighbors,

00:07:27.820 let alone these random strangers they're talking to on the internet.

00:07:31.320 Yeah, man. I think that's a, I think that's a big problem. You know, I,

00:07:34.380 I have to say, I've never met a person that truly disagree with me in person. You know, I've,

00:07:40.360 I've never had it happen. Like people that meet me in person and actually talk to me and have a

00:07:44.720 discussion with me, whether they disagree or not. They tend to lean more towards saying,

00:07:49.120 you know what, I understand where you're coming from. You know, I actually agree on most things

00:07:52.400 with you. You know, you're not what I thought you were, you know, that's why people need to

00:07:56.800 understand what the internet is for. You know, the internet is a snapshot of whatever situation that

00:08:02.840 you're looking into, you know, whether you're looking into politics, whether you're looking

00:08:06.320 into personalities, it's a snapshot. It's not the complete person. You know, I'm, I'm different

00:08:10.920 in person than I am online because I'm making a video reacting to something. And this is my

00:08:16.020 emotional experience plus facts that I've gathered on a particular topic for eight minutes. You know,

00:08:22.820 in reality, when I'm at events or when I'm speaking for longer periods of time and I,

00:08:27.220 you get to ask me Q and a, it's not this, you know, hyped up, um, um, take hot take on something.

00:08:34.640 It's more of a nuanced thing and people get a chance to see my, my complete character in some

00:08:40.080 cases. And I tell you what people often say, Oh man, I thought you were different or whatever the

00:08:45.540 case may be. Um, and I think it's a value in actually getting to know people and having a common

00:08:52.400 ground understanding of that person, a little bit of respect for that person to a certain degree.

00:08:57.700 And then you can have proper communication. You know, a lot of people, they have no idea who

00:09:03.000 they're talking to and they build this image in their mind of who they're talking to. You're either

00:09:06.820 a bad guy or you're the greatest person they ever met, even though they don't know you. Um, and then

00:09:11.480 they build their arguments and emotional response around that fact. And I think it gets people in

00:09:16.480 trouble sometimes by doing that. Yeah, I think that's true. You know, one of the things people say a lot

00:09:20.740 is, well, you know, Ryan, you made this post or whatever, and it's not that simple. Yeah,

00:09:24.240 I know because I have 140 characters to make a point. So of course there's nuance. Of course

00:09:30.260 there's, I had a buddy of mine reach out the other day. We had a, a little bit of a disagreement

00:09:35.080 on social media. Um, and I think we both misinterpreted where each other were coming from. And then

00:09:40.540 we hopped on the phone and it was completely different, you know, but, um, but we take social

00:09:46.040 media as this like, and all be all, this is the only place this perfectly encapsulates what the

00:09:52.960 entirety of what a person thinks. And it just isn't the case, man, at all. You know that.

00:09:57.100 No, that's why I hate text message. I hate tech. I hate text message. Anybody that work with me,

00:10:01.280 work for me. I hate it. Um, even when I do, um, say messages to my team, I'll often do them in the

00:10:07.440 voice chat, you know, a voice recording, because I'm like, I can't explain to you exactly what I'm

00:10:13.060 talking about. There's nuances and maybe that's the way my brain work. Like these, these simplistic

00:10:18.120 explanations to me are, are, I can't, it's not enough for me. It's not enough for you to ask me,

00:10:25.340 Hey, Brandon, um, uh, I got a couple of things. And he talked to you about the store. Like I got

00:10:29.060 an e-commerce store, a couple of things that he talked about the store. I just had a question

00:10:32.020 about this one item. It's like, no, I have to explain to you the nuances of what I'm about to

00:10:36.400 respond. It's not just the one item. You got to go here. You got to go here. You got to go here.

00:10:40.000 And this is the spirit behind what I'm saying to you. And so I need you to give you a full

00:10:44.100 explanation. So when you go out and do something, I know that you have a full understanding of what

00:10:48.700 my expectation is versus me texting you something back. And then you go do something. And I go back,

00:10:53.120 why did you do that? Oh, because you didn't understand that there's five steps around what

00:10:57.900 I just told you. And the same thing happens on social media and everything else. You know,

00:11:02.660 you can write people are, I'm going to say this, man, people are nutty online. They're just

00:11:08.540 completely nutty. So are we though, to be, to be truthful about it. You know, we get that same way.

00:11:14.060 Yeah. But I think some people, especially people that I see in my comment section,

00:11:18.880 I don't know if they follow him, follow me or not, but I mean, people would literally,

00:11:23.180 you can give a statement and this is, this has happened to me plenty of times.

00:11:26.680 I can make a statement about women and I can say not all women are applicable in this situation.

00:11:34.420 However, this is my opinion based on few women that have these characteristics and people would

00:11:41.900 literally get in the comment section and go, you are, that's not every woman. I said,

00:11:46.660 the first sentence, I said, not all women. And they, they can't, they, they can't accept it.

00:11:52.480 Let me, let me give you an example. I was talking about the Zach Stacey situation,

00:11:56.620 that football player that beat up his girlfriend. Right. Right. And, and I don't know how many times I

00:12:01.460 said this, maybe a thousand. Every time I talk about the situation, I say he deserves to go to

00:12:06.820 jail. There is no articulable explanation of why you're in that woman's house and you putting your

00:12:13.200 hands on it. He deserves to go to jail. But then I said, what people have to understand is that in

00:12:19.460 any situations, there's always two sides to the argument. There is a possibility. I said, I don't

00:12:25.580 know if it is or not, but there is a possibility. I don't know if it's true or not is what I'm saying,

00:12:30.100 but there's a possibility that this is a toxic relationship. And there are some women that can

00:12:35.080 push men to the end of the road. And then they want to act out. Most men do not. And this guy acted

00:12:42.560 out because people want to make it seem like, Oh, she just, uh, I don't know if she's a victim or not,

00:12:47.080 but I'm saying like the, you have to look at it as she could be a complete victim. Um, she,

00:12:51.460 I mean, she's a victim of a crime, but I'm saying she's completely had nothing to do with this.

00:12:54.660 The guy just came in our house and beat her up because it was a Thursday, you know? So, or

00:12:58.940 they're in a toxic relationship. She could have possibly said a lot of hurtful, violent things

00:13:04.320 to him. And he, and he actually showed up and, and, and did some about it. Those possibilities

00:13:08.820 could exist. People die in the comment section. You you're blaming her. I'm saying, we don't know

00:13:16.320 why they got into a fight. I don't know what made that man want to put his hands on that woman like

00:13:20.300 that. And most of the time as a former police officer and things that I've dealt with is normally

00:13:25.080 a backstory. There's normally some stuff that have transpired between two people to make one

00:13:30.220 or the other person become extremely violent in an instance. So, but in the comment section,

00:13:36.120 you said he, he should be in jail. It's like, come on people. How many times do I have to explain this

00:13:42.480 for you not to, you know, for you to understand the totality of what I'm trying to explain. But

00:13:47.320 that's just one aspect that just bothers me with people online.

00:13:50.720 Yeah. I mean, it's frustrating because, you know, in this case, and I haven't been following

00:13:54.780 it too closely. I saw the video and saw some commentary on it, but you know, two things can

00:13:59.280 exist simultaneously. You know, maybe she's verbally abusive, you know, maybe she's not done some

00:14:03.680 things. Maybe she threatened. Now that does, does that give him permission to literally beat the

00:14:08.520 living hell out of her? No, of course not. Right. Right. You know, and so both can exist

00:14:13.240 simultaneously, but we live in this world, especially online of black and whites. It's either

00:14:18.060 I'm a hundred percent red or I'm a hundred percent blue. I'm a hundred percent left,

00:14:22.200 a hundred percent, right. A hundred percent, this guy, a hundred percent her. It's like, hold on,

00:14:27.280 let's try to figure out the nuance of this so we can make better, more informed decisions that will

00:14:31.680 lead everybody else to a better place. That's the point. Yep. That's, that's my whole goal. I'm not God.

00:14:37.860 The things that I say are rooted in the experiences that I have in the research that I have done.

00:14:43.140 And I tell people all the time, don't believe me, go research yourself. You're getting a perspective.

00:14:48.560 You're getting a perspective. I'm giving you facts. I'm giving you journals that I've read. I'm giving

00:14:54.100 you stats that I've read from reputable sources. You go and verify those things. If you want to make a

00:15:00.060 totality, you know, you want to make a conclusion in something, you know, never listen to anybody and

00:15:05.900 just take it at face value, verify what people say. And then you will gain trust in that person.

00:15:12.180 Everybody that watched me know that with the sources that I'm giving a verifiable,

00:15:16.160 but you need to verify that. And when you do, you can say, okay, this guy is very,

00:15:20.180 very trustworthy. So if I'm on a whim and I hear him say something, I can at least, uh, have a,

00:15:25.520 have faith that this guy has done real research. And then I can go look up, look it up later. But

00:15:29.700 you know, people are so sheepish sometimes that that's why the mainstream media,

00:15:37.320 that's why they can convince people of so much, so many different things. People say,

00:15:41.700 they're on TV. So they must be telling the truth. Oh, this person was a victim of a crime. So they

00:15:47.640 must be completely innocent of doing it. And they've done nothing to, um, their involvement

00:15:52.000 in this situation. And I wish that people would think a little bit more out of the box and say,

00:15:56.480 and this is something I learned as a cop, man, because I got challenged on it a few times is that

00:16:01.500 there's always two sides to everything that happened in life. Always, always, you know,

00:16:10.200 on the Stacey thing, I would love to see their cell phone conversations. You know, I would love

00:16:15.520 to see that conversation that happened before they got into this or the week before I want to see all

00:16:20.020 their conversations. What kind of, what kind of conversation are they having? What kind of character

00:16:24.500 does she have? We already see that he'll he's, he's physically violent, but what, what kind of

00:16:29.780 character does this young lady have? Um, so then you can put a better picture together and say,

00:16:34.200 okay, he still deserves to go to jail, but I can see that somebody should have been communicating

00:16:40.240 with that young man and encouraging him. Don't do it. I know you mad. I know she didn't push the

00:16:46.180 buttons, but don't do it because this is exactly what she probably wants you to do. And let me just say

00:16:51.340 this. Some people don't have life experience either. That's why they can't see things and they

00:16:57.400 can't go deeper in these situations. And I keep going back to the Stacey thing because I've been

00:17:03.280 in a relationship with somebody who was incredibly toxic. I mean, incredibly toxic saying hurtful

00:17:11.040 things in an, in a, in an attempt to make me blow up on them. That's what they want. So I can be the

00:17:18.100 bad guy. If I blow up and slap them or put my hands on them or something. But as a mature adult

00:17:23.560 male, you know, I realized that just because I feel a certain way don't mean I have to act on it

00:17:28.520 just because you make me upset or make me want to be violent with you male or female. It doesn't mean

00:17:34.520 that I have to be violent with you. I'm smart enough to know that this is a temporary emotion

00:17:39.180 and I'm smart enough to know that you're, you want me to react. And so what do I do? I say,

00:17:44.480 you know what, let me pray about it. Let me just separate myself from the situation because

00:17:48.340 I grew up in a very violent environment. So violence isn't a, you know, isn't that odd for

00:17:55.700 me. And I grew up where that's how I handle my problems is I will become violent. You know,

00:18:01.560 if somebody disrespected me, I will become violent when I was younger. And as an adult,

00:18:06.620 I understand that that's still in me, but you have to be able to compartmentalize it

00:18:13.580 and use that energy in a different direction. Because now as an adult, you go to prison for

00:18:20.860 violence. You know, you don't, you don't get a second chance. You lose reputation over violence.

00:18:25.100 You lose respect over violence. I had a situation where I had a business partner. I had to buy out

00:18:31.860 my company. You know, I wanted to become very violent with this individual and we were face

00:18:38.600 to face and this is, I'm an adult, I'm saved and everything. And I thought about it and I said,

00:18:43.700 you know what, Brandon, you've grown. Like there's no violence necessary. Buy this guy out of the

00:18:48.900 company and separate yourself from him. There's no need for that. You've got a family, you got

00:18:52.360 everything else. You go ride your bike, go lift some weights, go make some videos. There's no need

00:18:56.960 to be violent in these situations. And that's something that I learned as a mature man.

00:19:03.760 Well, I, you know, one of the things that I think is a big problem with this country is that we have

00:19:07.980 a rising generation of fatherless homes. So these young men, and look, I don't, I don't buy into the

00:19:13.520 whole toxic masculinity notion because I think that's a, that's a game that's played. It's a,

00:19:18.700 it's a word game that's played to be able to paint all masculinity is, is inherently toxic. So I don't

00:19:23.180 get into that, but also men. And I realized young, young men, boys need to learn how to harness their

00:19:29.920 masculinity because yeah, we do have a propensity for violence. Like, I don't think anybody who knows

00:19:34.100 anything about males would disagree with that, right? We generally tend to be more violent. We

00:19:39.100 generally tend to be more aggressive. We generally tend to be more dominant. And so if these young men

00:19:44.360 don't have other men, mature men, like you're talking about in their corner, teaching them how to

00:19:51.280 utilize that aggression, potential violence, dominance for the betterment of themselves and

00:19:57.060 the people they care about. Yeah. It's very easy to see how it would spill out in destructive ways.

00:20:03.280 Yeah. I think every man on earth should be violent. However, you should be able to harness that violence

00:20:10.020 because there's necessary violence at points in your life. When you go to war, if you fight for your

00:20:16.240 country, you got to be violent. You may have to kill people in the pursuit of freedom for your

00:20:21.640 country. When I was a police officer, I talked to elderly people. I talked to little kids, but then

00:20:26.720 there's times where I got to be violent. You can't be a punk. You can't back down and be afraid and

00:20:31.460 timid of confrontation, but you need to be able to harness it and apply it when it's absolutely

00:20:37.880 necessary. If somebody came in my house and I have to defend my family, I'm going to be violent.

00:20:43.760 You get what I'm saying? I'm not going to be calling the police and ducking and hiding and

00:20:48.340 me and my wife get in a corner. It's going to be SWAT team, SWAT call out all over again in my mind.

00:20:54.540 And I'm going to be extremely violent. But like I said, every man should harness

00:20:59.820 that violence and aggression and be able to apply it when necessary and deescalate when necessary.

00:21:07.720 I don't believe that people should take away that tendency from themselves. And that's the problem

00:21:13.240 with this femininity, this false femininity and this fake concept of toxic masculinity.

00:21:18.320 God has given us these emotional and testosterone responses for a reason, because there may be a

00:21:26.080 time where you have to fight a flight type situation and you need to be able to do that

00:21:30.200 effectively. That's how men have stayed alive, you know, so long. That's how civilizations have

00:21:36.760 stayed alive because there were strong men who understand how to harness that even at the point

00:21:41.920 of death or even at the point of no return, going on foreign land and fighting for your life so that

00:21:47.580 other people can be free. If everybody was living in a sense where you have to remove all violence

00:21:53.000 from your personality, from your character, what would we be? There would be no beaches of Normandy.

00:21:58.800 There would be no civil war. There would be no Afghanistan. There would be no people in the

00:22:04.680 military today that are willing to fight and lose their lives. You know, my friend, one of my friends,

00:22:09.420 I don't want to say his name, but he got shot 26 times in the special forces. He was a Navy SEAL

00:22:15.520 26 times. He got shot 26 times. And, you know, of course, a lot of them hit his vest. But I mean,

00:22:20.560 that guy still today has issues, I think, you know, psychological issues because he had to kill a few

00:22:26.320 people during that scenario. How could you not? Sure. Right. Right. I mean, but at the end, he said he

00:22:31.200 watch one of his great friends die, you know, so, you know, you have to have that as a man.

00:22:37.500 But like you said, you need other men who are mature to help you harness that and apply that

00:22:44.100 energy in the right, you know, in the right areas. You know, one of the one of the things that just

00:22:49.980 happened over the past couple of days as of this recording is this horrible tragedy in Waukesha,

00:22:54.920 I think is how it's pronounced. But, you know, I think most of us have heard the story. But there's

00:22:59.840 one thing that I think is being overlooked. You know, there was, if I understand correctly,

00:23:04.640 an off-duty police officer who fired back at that vehicle as it was plowing through

00:23:09.660 the elderly and the children of that community. And I thought, you know, like everybody else is

00:23:16.800 hiding and cowering. And certainly that's an appropriate response of a vehicle is barreling

00:23:21.340 towards you, of course. But this individual, this police officer stood up, drew his pistol,

00:23:27.360 fired back, also to some degree was pretty, must've been pretty aware of where he was firing

00:23:32.920 because there was a lot of people there, didn't hit anybody else. And, you know, that to me is a

00:23:39.480 prime example of somebody who's willing to harness the ability to do violence righteously.

00:23:46.160 And I think that that situation was appropriate and absolutely called for in that particular

00:23:51.140 situation. But imagine if nobody ever stepped up and did anything like that, how horrible everything

00:23:56.560 else would be, because we know that there's evil in the world. And I think too many people think

00:24:01.400 that, oh, you know, if you, if you just treat everybody right and you give everybody hugs and

00:24:05.220 you, and, and you, you know, you, you, you talk about equity and, and just giving everybody equal

00:24:10.620 opportunity, no harm will ever be done. Well, I mean, come on now. We know that isn't true. We know

00:24:15.280 there's evil in the world. And so there has to be righteous men willing to step up to put an end to it.

00:24:19.640 Yeah. And people had to die so we can get to the point where you can have conversations

00:24:22.700 about equality, which is unfortunate. I think, you know, people, you know, people live a very

00:24:28.580 saucy, soft life, you know, nowadays, you know, I don't know if I got an old soul or what, man,

00:24:32.940 but I didn't grow up in a generation. And I know I could say my anger was unharnessed when I was

00:24:37.880 younger, but I didn't grow up in a generation of softies, man. I didn't grow up in a generation

00:24:41.840 looking at this world. Like it's all peaches and cream. You know, this is a, somebody had to die.

00:24:47.140 Somebody had to die and kill for us to get to the point of freedom in this country. I mean,

00:24:53.160 we see that all throughout the Bible, even the story of Jesus, he had to die. It wasn't no,

00:24:59.560 he just got injured and beat up a little bit. If somebody had an argument with him on,

00:25:03.460 you know, through mail or whatever, you know, they sent somebody to give them a message or

00:25:07.940 something like that. And it's like, no, Jesus had to die. There had to be death. There had to be a

00:25:12.180 sacrifice for our lives, for our souls to be free. And people have to understand that's just

00:25:18.720 the way of life, man. You can't walk around life expecting everybody going to hand something to you,

00:25:22.940 expecting everything to be all nice and cushy. I think that we have luxuries today that I'm

00:25:29.920 thankful for, but we cannot forget that somebody lost their luxury so we can have it. Somebody had

00:25:36.460 to give so we can get, um, life is about push and pull, give and get somebody had to sacrifice.

00:25:42.780 You know, I had to spend long hours hustling, working out hard so I can play football in college

00:25:48.320 to get a full scholarship so that I can get my, so I can have a degree, something that my parents

00:25:54.560 couldn't pay for. But I did that not only for me, but for when my children are born, I can provide

00:26:00.340 them more than I had. I could provide more than what I had. Even today, I hustle every day. I make

00:26:06.960 two or three videos a day. I travel around the country. I've been to four different states just

00:26:10.800 this month alone. Um, sometimes I don't sleep and that's not a great thing not to sleep, but I

00:26:15.780 understand that I got to hustle and I got to do what I have to do. I have to give so that my children

00:26:21.200 can be set up so my children can have, I have to go through a lot of stuff, a lot of pain,

00:26:26.340 a lot of struggle. God put me through a lot of ups and downs, a lot of, a lot of disappointment

00:26:32.140 so that I learned how to come out of that disappointment in the proper way. So I learned

00:26:36.840 how to overcome adversity and then therefore I could teach my sons. This is how you overcome

00:26:42.580 adversity. I'm glad I went through the things I went through. I'm glad I cried when I was in college

00:26:47.700 and going through that with the football team, you know, football was my life and they, you know,

00:26:52.260 I felt that it was stripped from me. I was devastated. I cried. I'm a grown man. I cried,

00:26:57.800 you know, uh, with the things that happened to me in football in college, especially when one year

00:27:02.740 I got injured and I was out for the whole season. I cried, man. I had, I was on a boot for, I was on

00:27:08.320 crutches for six weeks. I was on a boot for like three or four months. I could barely walk, man. I was

00:27:13.560 devastated, but I'm glad I went through those things, um, in life. I'm glad I saw the things that I saw

00:27:20.200 when I was younger. I saw the violence. I, I saw loss. I saw people, family members go to prison

00:27:26.300 because that gives me a better perspective in life. So now when I can project it to my children,

00:27:32.920 I'm hoping that they don't have to sacrifice or suffer as much as I did, um, to learn these

00:27:38.460 lessons that God has been able to teach me. So, you know, all these things are necessary, man. If you

00:27:43.020 want to take life, you don't want a life. You want adversity so that you can become better. So you can

00:27:49.460 build, you know, it's like working out and people don't work out. I don't know what analogy to give

00:27:54.300 them, but it's like working out, man. Like when you work out and you do, you get sore, you're tearing

00:28:00.260 your muscles down. They're getting torn down to build back stronger, to get bigger, to be more

00:28:06.100 proficient. You know, when you run, I know somebody somewhere, you know, when they were in middle

00:28:10.260 school or something, they had PE, even if they don't work out currently, you run, your lungs are burning.

00:28:14.800 And you feel like you want to quit, but you know, that you see your progression when you continue

00:28:19.540 to do that, especially if you ran track, you have to, you have to suffer so that you could be,

00:28:25.220 so you can grow in progress, you know? Uh, you know, that's just, that's just the way life is.

00:28:30.080 And, you know, you should, people should be able to find beauty in that.

00:28:33.500 Have you, have you always had this mentality or is this something you've had to develop? And if

00:28:38.580 that's the case, how did you begin to develop the mentality that ad adversity is, is a positive,

00:28:44.840 it's a net gain for you versus something that's happening to you. Cause I think a lot of people

00:28:48.580 believe that, you know, if, if they get passed over for the promotion or the woman dumps them,

00:28:53.680 or, you know, they deal with a medical condition or any number of things that could happen, they

00:28:57.700 think the world is shitting on them and is out to get them. The world is amoral, but they,

00:29:02.000 but they believe that's the case and they can't really see it as a, as a net gain and a positive

00:29:06.160 in the long, in the long haul. Yeah. One of the things I heard this from a great person,

00:29:10.520 so I'm not going to act like I came up with this term. Um, I can't remember Mike Tyson or somebody

00:29:15.120 like that. They said, uh, I think it was Mike Tyson. They said that life doesn't happen to you.

00:29:21.560 It happens for you. I think that, no, I think that was Ricky Williams, Ricky Williams, life doesn't

00:29:27.040 happen to you. It happens for you. And Ricky Williams gave the scenario of a lady ripping him off

00:29:32.340 for millions of dollars. She was his accountant or something like that. Millions of dollars. She ended up

00:29:35.760 going to jail over, but you got to think somebody rip you off on millions of dollars. I mean, that's

00:29:39.640 going to, that's going to be very heartbreaking. But he said, if it wasn't for that, he wouldn't

00:29:42.820 have went to the next level. If it wasn't for that, you know, he wouldn't learn X, Y, Z. So I wish

00:29:47.340 people would understand that. I think that this came to a crescendo when I got saved because growing up

00:29:55.600 in the community I grew up in around some of the family members and people I grew up with, it's always

00:30:01.340 like life is happening to you, you know, like, Oh, I don't know why the man, God is the devil is

00:30:05.720 chasing me today. The devil is after me today. And it's just this whole thing, white man, you know,

00:30:12.640 they got us in the ghettos and we, you know, we ain't never going to be, you got to work twice as

00:30:17.300 hard for the, to be, uh, to get a job versus a white man. And, you know, I grew up with that stupidity

00:30:23.380 and it wasn't necessarily just from my parents. It was from peers and culture. And when I got saved,

00:30:29.320 I started really thinking like, you know what, God is in control of my life. So if God is in

00:30:33.960 control of my life, then these things are happening for me. They're not happening to me.

00:30:38.020 So when I didn't make it to the NFL, which I was in the NFL draft. And, you know, if I would have

00:30:42.780 played in college, like I should have, in my opinion, you know, and my agent told me I would

00:30:46.100 have been drafted in the first round. I was an incredible football player, an incredible athlete,

00:30:49.980 but things went astray, but, but I didn't make to the NFL was hurtful, but I learned if I,

00:30:56.580 if I had played in the NFL, yeah, I'd have made millions of dollars, but I wouldn't be the person

00:31:00.720 that I am today. I don't think I would have been conservative. I don't think that, I mean,

00:31:04.800 I, Lord knows what I would have become, but I believe that God has a purpose for me. So when

00:31:10.820 I see things happening, I'm seeing them through the purpose. I'm not seeing them because they just

00:31:15.800 randomly happen. You know, you don't randomly lose people in your life. You know, your God is teaching

00:31:20.880 you something. Um, and if you're willing to grow from it, you're willing to learn no matter how hard

00:31:26.840 it is. You're willing to say, you know what? Uh, I'm going to use like, for instance, perfect example

00:31:31.840 yesterday, I was notified by YouTube that I'm, that I'm banned for seven days for posting the truth

00:31:38.780 about Dr. Fauci, right. Uh, quoted his quotes, but I guess his quotes at the wrong time, uh, lead to

00:31:46.160 medical misinformation, right? So it's trouble. Yeah, for sure. Right. Ban me for seven days.

00:31:51.880 Initially I said, I was, I was kind of shocked. I was a little upset, but I said, you know what,

00:31:57.240 God, you in control. You know, I said what I said, I'm banned for seven days. What's the silver

00:32:04.240 lining in this? I've been wanting to break for a while from YouTube because I make all these views

00:32:08.920 every day. It's stressful just doing it. Oh yeah. I can't imagine. And then dealing with the comments

00:32:12.580 and everything else. I can't even imagine the comments and the people and the stress of knowing

00:32:16.240 this stuff, like just knowing this stuff I talk about is stressful. Um, I wish sometimes I wish

00:32:21.200 I didn't know what was going on in the world. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Knowing all this

00:32:24.760 stuff and the nuances of investigations and the Kyle Rittinghouse trial and my arbitrary trial,

00:32:29.540 watching the entire trial, I mean, all of these things. But I said, you know what? God may be giving

00:32:34.940 me the break that I wanted. And it's funny because I spoke at four different, I spoke at four

00:32:41.060 different States this month, which I get paid to speak. And I'm like, dad covers the seven days

00:32:47.020 that I, that I, that I'm going to be offline. And also it's the holidays. Think about it. I'm,

00:32:52.360 I got banned right during Thanksgiving. My whole family's here. I don't have to worry about posting

00:32:57.000 on YouTube or doing anything. And the guy who worked with me on YouTube don't have to, but he

00:33:00.780 with his family, my whole team with their families. So it's like, God may have given me a break.

00:33:05.800 And the funny thing is the seven days is going to go all the way through past my book launch.

00:33:11.000 And I have a book launch party on November the 30th. So it's going to go all the way past my book

00:33:15.240 launch party. It's like, God has given me an opportunity. If I look at it, that he giving

00:33:20.040 me an opportunity to have a break during this season. And I believe God is doing this for a

00:33:24.580 reason. And then when I come back on YouTube and I can post again and go live, I'm going to be

00:33:28.780 refreshed. It's going to be better. The algorithm is going to treat me better, whatever the case may be.

00:33:34.460 That's the way I look at it, man. And I could get out down and out and be like, Oh man, what was me?

00:33:39.080 But it's like, no, God is in control. So let's roll with it. Let's do what we got to do. Let's

00:33:43.220 learn. Let's study. Let's, let's do more in the interim. Maybe I could read more, spend more time

00:33:47.500 with my family and we can go from there. Yeah. I believe that's the case, but let's just say

00:33:52.440 hypothetically, even it isn't the case. It's just how you look at it and that attitude, whether it's real

00:33:58.820 or not, or whatever, or it's coming from God or not, it's, it's going to serve you, you know,

00:34:03.540 you get to choose the script. So are you going to choose something that's going to, it's going to

00:34:08.800 make you worse and make you bitter and contentious, or are you going to choose a script that is

00:34:12.860 actually going to serve you well and lead you to a better result? You did say something interesting.

00:34:17.640 I wanted to ask you about, you said something like, um, uh, you know, white, white people out to

00:34:22.820 get us or keep us in the ghetto and keep us down. Or I got to work twice as hard to get a job that a

00:34:26.580 white person would get. Is that, is that a, uh, is that a thought that's pretty rampant in,

00:34:32.600 in the black community? I mean, is that something that's, that is permeates through the community

00:34:37.100 that, that a lot of people believe? Yeah. 20,000%. And the reason I say that is because people that

00:34:44.180 are millionaires and billionaires are saying it, you know what I'm saying? Like they're preaching it,

00:34:48.460 you know, uh, Jay Z talking about oppression in America. That fool's a billionaire.

00:34:52.260 Um, you have, uh, I was just at this revolt summit, which is a black summit or whatever.

00:34:57.380 David Banner was, was on a panel with me and, uh, and well, you know, I would all do respect.

00:35:02.920 I think that, uh, uh, uh, Benjamin Crump didn't even say much, but Benjamin Crump was there.

00:35:07.680 These, these are all millionaires. Benjamin Crump network is $5 million. He's a civil rights

00:35:12.000 attorney. And then David Banner, everybody know David Banner was a rapper. Um, he worked a lot

00:35:16.320 of money and all they talk about is oppression. All they talk about is the system. Um, Colin Kaepernick

00:35:21.240 raised by white people. He don't, he ain't got no sense of blackness in his life. He raised by white

00:35:26.460 people. He's half white. Um, and the guy was an NFL player, almost won the Superbowl, but it's

00:35:32.660 oppression, oppression, oppression. And that tells you that if the elite, the, the, the, the wealthy

00:35:39.720 amongst the inner city, black communities or whatever, they are talking like this. Imagine what poor

00:35:46.420 people are saying. Imagine what, uh, people that live in, that actually live in the hood

00:35:51.000 that are, they're looking at these, uh, mountains that seem impossible to climb. Of course, they're

00:35:57.420 saying the same thing. And that's, that's why they're in the place that they're in. That's

00:36:01.360 why black people in this country are in a, and I would argue, um, somewhat of a deficit

00:36:06.340 in our country because we have more abortions than everybody else. We commit more crimes than

00:36:11.520 anybody else. Um, we were incarcerated more than anybody else. Um, I think our leaders are

00:36:16.600 dumber than anybody else. Um, and I'm not all of them, but some of them are. Uh, so, you know,

00:36:22.760 I think that the reason why this has happened and then our population is 13% of the population. We,

00:36:27.840 we, we ain't never going to have a population influx because we have too many abortions in jail

00:36:32.620 and murder. Um, when you look at the Hispanic population, they, they're just having, they having

00:36:36.840 kids, they're migrating here. They, their vote, their representation is going to be well over what

00:36:43.000 African-American people have. And when African-American people was the foundation of this

00:36:46.860 country, right. I mean, in conjunction with everybody else, but we were, we were a part of

00:36:50.520 the foundation of this country. And so we're going to wash away with their way because of the rhetoric

00:36:56.260 and this idea that we don't belong here. And when our forefathers and people that came before

00:37:04.220 black men that came before us, they thought that we have opportunities in this country and we do,

00:37:10.240 but people want to make excuses instead of making it happen. They want to make excuses and say, Oh,

00:37:15.800 we don't belong here. The constitution was never for us. Wasn't really for us. When these people are

00:37:22.100 making hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars in the same white system of oppression,

00:37:28.420 you know, it's just, it's mind boggling to me. And that falsehood is really destructive. And I used

00:37:35.640 to live in that falsehood and now I don't live in it anymore. So I know how destructive it was

00:37:40.420 because it's all a lie. It's, it's propaganda. I was just in Memphis, Tennessee. Um, I was speaking

00:37:47.220 at the university of Memphis like two days ago and the rapper young Dolph got murdered out there in broad

00:37:53.000 daylight while I was doing a Turkey drive for his own community. Um, and while I was out there,

00:37:58.000 I was in a car and my, uh, car service is a black on car service and everybody, all the drivers are

00:38:04.540 black. So the guys in there listening to DL Hughley, who's a comedian and DL Hughley is literally when I

00:38:11.060 got in the car, he's saying this country was never made for us, the white system. And then a commercial

00:38:16.780 comes on after DL Hughley and speaking to the black residents of Memphis, the oppression and systemic

00:38:23.760 racism, um, that are holding us back. And I'm just like, how do you escape that? God helped me escape

00:38:33.020 that. But how did you escape this when everywhere you turn LeBron James is saying it, Jay-Z is saying

00:38:39.560 it, Barack Obama is saying it, the radio guy is saying it, the commercial is saying it, uh, the,

00:38:45.840 the left-wing media is saying it, CNN is saying it, uh, how do you escape that reality? And I mean,

00:38:53.220 not the reality, the false, the false reality. So it's very, it's very damaging.

00:38:59.180 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's look, it's hard for me. Cause it's, I'll say it this way. It's easy for me

00:39:03.540 to say that that problem doesn't exist because I'm white, you know? And, and, and so people have said,

00:39:08.460 well, you can say that because you're white and they're actually correct. It's easier for me to say

00:39:12.900 that. And, but at the same time, I try to see like, okay, well, like what systems are racist?

00:39:20.120 What policies in place today are the problem? And I'm asking that in earnest, like, what is the

00:39:26.560 problem? What, or, or even if what is the solution outside of maybe reparations, which is, you know,

00:39:33.140 something that happened in the past, that isn't something I'm willing to negotiate with, but like,

00:39:36.820 what actually do you want to see happen? And as I asked that in earnest, nobody's been able to

00:39:42.060 answer that question for me. Oh, well, the whole, the whole, everything, it's just permeates.

00:39:46.360 Well, like what, like what, tell me what, and, and they just can't come up with it. And that's the

00:39:51.320 most frustrating thing of it all is, you know, you tell me it's wrong, but you can't tell me exactly

00:39:56.160 what's wrong. It's like being in a relationship with a woman and you say, she go, she got a frown on

00:40:03.200 her face and you say, baby, what's wrong? Everything. You said, oh, okay. Well, baby, let me focus on

00:40:10.480 one thing. What, what can I do to help you? Or what have I done? Can you name one thing?

00:40:16.240 No, just every, everything is messed up. Everything is falling apart. You're like, well,

00:40:20.260 financially we're doing really well with everything. I was like, baby, well, you never told me of

00:40:25.820 anything that I've done that it made you upset. You were just happy yesterday. You know, you,

00:40:30.280 you just got a promotion on your job or whatever case may be, whatever scenario, but, but, but still,

00:40:34.680 it's like, well, I don't know what to tell you. And that's the same thing that's happening.

00:40:38.800 Great analogy. It's the same thing that's happening to, uh, in the inner city community,

00:40:43.320 I'm black. And I'm telling you, you don't have to be black to see Stevie wonder, even though he's

00:40:48.220 black, he can see, even though he's blind, that this is bull crap. Uh, the systems, the court system.

00:40:55.020 Okay. Which judge is racist? So we can all get him disbarred. It's just the system. What system?

00:41:02.080 The constitution? Well, the constitution said that we're all equal. And it don't say except black

00:41:07.720 people, except poor white people. It says that we're all equal under the constitution. And we

00:41:12.720 have these inalienable rights that are given to us by God. We're in the constitution. Does it

00:41:17.940 discriminate against you? And there is laws on the books that if you discriminate against a person,

00:41:21.980 whether they're gender, race, sex, whatever, um, that you, your company will get shut down.

00:41:28.500 You can sue somebody over discrimination. What, like what laws are on the books? But then when you

00:41:35.400 confront them with truth, like I said, with the girlfriend, you say, you say, well, baby, um,

00:41:40.700 you know, you have just told your friends every single day of this week that you've been happy,

00:41:44.820 you're the happiest woman alive. What's, what's the problem? And, or, or you could say, you know,

00:41:49.420 based on our bank account, based on your success, everything is fine. You don't have any statistical

00:41:55.160 data to show me anything else. You just talking same thing with the black community, the incarceration

00:41:59.900 rate of black people are out of control. They lock us up way more than anybody else.

00:42:03.960 Okay. 54% of all the homicides that occur in the United States of America occur by black men,

00:42:10.500 black men who are murderers probably make up 1% or less than 1% of the population in America.

00:42:15.900 Most violent crimes, over 50% of our violent crimes are perpetuated by black men.

00:42:20.920 So if you put two and two together, you say, that's why black men are incarcerated disproportionately

00:42:27.500 because they commit disproportional crimes. So what are you actually saying? If you're going

00:42:33.940 to come up with a problem, look at it from a reality standpoint, and then we can address it.

00:42:41.680 You know, they go, Oh, well, Kyle Rittinghouse. Well, that guy, Coffey, murdered a police officer.

00:42:48.140 However, he was doing it in self-defense. Right. Right.

00:42:52.700 The ultimate, I want to screw a black man over and put him in prison for the rest of his life

00:42:56.440 is if a black man murder, a white police officer, sure. Kill a police officer. Um, I don't know if

00:43:02.740 the cop was white, but he killed a police officer in a SWAT raid. However, they were, they were able

00:43:08.380 to determine that he acted in self-defense, which I support him because according to the jurors that

00:43:14.880 got all the information that I don't have, they decided that he was innocent. I accept his innocence.

00:43:20.000 I consider that man innocent, just like Kyle Rittinghouse, but Oh, if Kyle Rittinghouse was

00:43:24.800 black, well, we have a black guy right here. This is a one-to-one example. Oh, you, oh, you have

00:43:29.200 nothing. Oh, we got Kyle Rittinghouse. He was berated in the media. Then you turn around the black

00:43:34.340 kid from Dallas that went into school and shot and shot four people in the school over a fight.

00:43:39.920 That guy, they tried to lie on TV and say that he was being bullied. The black police chief came out

00:43:45.400 and said, no, it wasn't bullying. See, I know people that live in the community and they were telling

00:43:49.360 me that he was a drug dealer. He did a, you know, did somebody wrong in a drug deal. So he had to

00:43:54.640 carry a gun around cause he was going to get jumped. He got jumped and he couldn't fight. Um, and after

00:43:59.820 the fight, he pulled a gun and shot people. He got out the next day, the dude that just ran over all

00:44:05.460 these people in Wisconsin, that dude is a, it's a pedophile. He was, I believe it was convicted of

00:44:12.220 sex trafficking, a 16 year old, which he admitted on camera saying that he was pimping a girl and he

00:44:17.240 didn't know she was 16. It was his baby mama or something like that. This guy just got out,

00:44:22.460 just made bail of a thousand dollars. And his trap rap rap sheet is this long. He should be in jail,

00:44:28.080 but no, he's out and he's out committing crimes and ended up killing people. But Charlottesville,

00:44:34.520 the white guy in Charlottesville that ran over and killed one person. He's, they still talking about

00:44:40.240 him today. The white supremacist, the white supremacist, but this guy intentionally mowed down

00:44:45.580 children. He could have killed more if, if, if I don't know if they bought it, if he, if he hit

00:44:51.180 him, right. I mean, this guy ran over 30, 40, 50 people. Yeah. I mean, that that's, that's fortunate.

00:44:56.180 That's it's horrible to say it's fortunate. That's all that happened because if you're running down a

00:44:59.920 parade, there's hundreds if not thousands of people right there. Like that's we're fortunate.

00:45:04.180 That's all that happened. Yeah. I mean, if he was going a little faster, he probably would have

00:45:07.240 killed more people, but however, are they covering this the same way they covered the guy in

00:45:12.120 Charlottesville? Are they covering, you know, it, it, you know, the guy in Charlottesville,

00:45:16.780 I think was a one-off. I, the guy I watched the video, the guy was getting attacked and he's dumb

00:45:22.240 enough to blow through a crowd of people and he hit maybe three or four people and killed one person.

00:45:26.840 Right. I think that's a different scenario. Then this black guy who, who intentionally his whole

00:45:34.780 motive, it wasn't an attack. It wasn't that he pulled up, people beating his car, trying to knock

00:45:39.060 his window out and he sped forward. This dude went to this place, went around. Some people are

00:45:45.180 arguing that he did it intentionally, like intentionally meaning he wanted to get back at

00:45:48.460 white people, you know? So regardless of that, you have a white man in Charlottesville and you have

00:45:54.900 this black man. They are still talking about Charlottesville and they, they want to brush this

00:45:59.760 dude under the rug. The mainstream media don't want to talk about only Fox news and conservatives

00:46:03.880 want to talk about him. I mean, we can, we can, we can keep going down the list. You got Donald Trump

00:46:07.960 and you got Joe Biden. They bashed Donald Trump every ounce of what he say. That dude, they say he

00:46:15.160 was mentally unstable and all this other stuff. Joe Biden is literally, he cannot speak. He literally

00:46:20.740 looked like an old senile man in office. Trump is racist. Joe Biden literally did the eulogy of a

00:46:28.320 former Klan's member, Robert Byrd. He literally said, um, that Strom Thurmond was his mentor. Strom Thurmond

00:46:34.220 was a racist. Literally Joe Biden have was, was the author, or at least he claimed he authored the 94

00:46:41.200 crime bill, which disproportionately affected black men and put them in prison. He literally did that.

00:46:46.420 And he's not a racist. Nothing about him can be racist. He called somebody a Negro the other day.

00:46:52.960 Yeah. Nothing he can do is wrong. Everything Joe Biden, I mean, Trump can do is wrong. So,

00:47:00.880 you know, these people pick and choose what they want to say. And none of it is rooted in reality,

00:47:06.420 in my opinion. Man, let me just pause very, very quickly. Again, I'm stoked to share with you that

00:47:13.020 tomorrow, December 1st, the iron council is going to officially be open for registration. Now we will

00:47:19.200 not be opening it again until sometime in the spring. So if you've been on the fence about

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00:47:39.660 because I want you to hit the ground running in 2022. I don't want to hear this. Like 2021 was a

00:47:45.700 warmup and 2022 is my year. If you're not really willing to do anything different. So we're going

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00:48:01.380 2022 is my warmup. No, 2022 is the year because we're going to help you make it the year. So guys,

00:48:08.240 don't go at this alone. Um, I know it can be a challenge to find the kind of men that you

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00:48:35.220 and let's hit 2022, uh, as best we can. All right, guys, back to the conversation. You can join us after,

00:48:41.120 uh, the podcast is over. Well, I think that's why having these discussions on this podcast and why,

00:48:47.600 of course I wanted to invite you back and why they're so important, but then also, you know,

00:48:51.840 you wrote a book to talk about this stuff as well. So beaten black and blue, um, talk to me about that

00:48:56.780 because I think writing a book, doing a podcast, doing long form content, doing videos goes well

00:49:03.440 beyond just the, the quick hits on the social media sites, you know, and trying to get those likes,

00:49:08.340 this is going to explain the nuance. And I wish more people would listen. I wish more people would

00:49:14.320 read. I wish more people would watch and maybe stop looking at these 140 character tweets for all

00:49:20.400 their, their sorts of information. Yeah. So, you know, God put it on my heart when I was a police

00:49:25.680 officer. I don't know what year I was a cop. It was like probably the first few years I was a police

00:49:29.280 officer. And I just, I would say, nah, it was probably a little bit halfway through my career when

00:49:34.240 Barack Obama was in office. And I just remember feeling the pressure of being black and being a

00:49:39.440 cop, you know, together. Right. So, um, black people used to just, they just railed me.

00:49:47.200 Oh, pressure from, from the black community. Got it. Okay.

00:49:50.640 Right. Just being black as a police officer. Right. Oh, you black, you'll sell out. You working

00:49:55.760 for the white man, you're doing all this stuff. And then also just being a police officer in general,

00:49:59.140 being a part of the blue, um, getting attacked by everybody, white, black, everybody want to attack

00:50:05.200 you just because you're a police officer. So I got it from the black community and I got it from the

00:50:09.800 community at large from just being a police officer and then being a black police officer. So I felt

00:50:14.440 like I was beaten whether I was black or blue, you know what I'm saying? If I was a white man, I would

00:50:19.040 still get beat up for being a cop, even though, you know, you had it from both sides. It sounds like.

00:50:24.180 Yeah. So, so the concept was just being, I felt beaten black and blue, you know,

00:50:27.700 that kind of a comparison of being bruised, comparison of being black and in a part of the

00:50:32.320 blue. And so I said, one day I'm gonna write a book about this, man, because I'm telling you,

00:50:37.420 man, like before I became a cop, I thought I knew, I knew something about policing. I knew nothing.

00:50:42.300 And I, I would argue that 90% of Americans know nothing about policing. They know nothing.

00:50:47.300 They think they do. Watching cops is not even close to the nuances and the experience and exposure of

00:50:53.740 law enforcement officers stuff. You see cops is a PG version of being a police officer. They don't

00:50:58.320 show the real stuff. They don't show, you can't feel the real emotions. You know, these are just

00:51:02.560 scripted stuff that they, it's not scripted, but they take video and then they cut all the stuff that

00:51:06.460 can be dramatic. Watching people get, you know, people being amputated and dead and reviving people

00:51:12.480 doing CPR and watching babies die. Like, you know, all of that is censored. They don't have no idea.

00:51:18.220 I had no idea that police did the stuff that they did before I became a police officer. And going

00:51:23.360 through that, I said, God, man, I mean, police need their story told. We need to at least hear from

00:51:29.520 our side, from the police perspective, because we hear the narratives from the media, our racist white

00:51:34.880 institution. It's like, well, what about the black officers on the police department? We working for

00:51:39.740 the white racist institution? This is nonsense. So I wrote the book and I interviewed other police

00:51:45.680 officers because I don't believe that every, every scenario is Brandon Tatum scenario. So I have five

00:51:50.300 other police officers that I interviewed. Three of them were black and two were white. All of them

00:51:56.360 whom I know that are really great police officers and they give their experience. Like, this is what it's

00:52:01.300 like being a police officer. And I think, I think they all were current at the time that I interviewed

00:52:06.360 them for the book that they tell you exactly what they've gone through, through the George Floyd

00:52:10.780 situation, through, you know, all of the police brutality in 2020. Like, uh, you know, they,

00:52:16.800 they're explaining to you, this is what my experience is coming from the inner city, being

00:52:20.780 black. This is what my experience is. And then the two of the white officers, and one of them

00:52:24.840 were the officer who, um, was the one that gave me my first ride along officer Sean Payne. What is it

00:52:30.320 like being a police officer in today's society? What is defunding the police actually mean? What is the

00:52:36.060 consequences of, and what is police brutality and was not police brutality? What was the George

00:52:41.760 Floyd thing all about? You know, I explained all of that stuff in my book. I debunked that police

00:52:47.320 came from slave patrols, you know, um, which was very, I think I debunked that in probably like a page.

00:52:53.620 Um, so, cause it was very easy to debunk because it's bull crap, but I felt like this book was,

00:52:59.400 was the ability, or at least I felt like with this book, I can provide the ability to give police

00:53:04.160 officers a voice and for people to be able to have some insight into what we're going through in a

00:53:09.900 time like, like today. What's your, and I'm glad you did this because it's, it's, you know, it's

00:53:15.420 really important. I think most people listening would support, um, police officers, you know, not,

00:53:19.640 not, not blindly. I mean, that's not what I'm suggesting, you know, cause I know that there

00:53:23.680 are obviously instances of injustice. There's obviously police officers who take advantage of the

00:53:28.960 system or utilize their power for wrongdoing. Um, you know, obviously I think it's obvious that

00:53:34.180 when we talk about supporting police officers, we're supporting righteous work, not unrighteous

00:53:39.480 actions, um, at, at the hand of, of a few, I think I can say that. And most people would believe that,

00:53:45.660 but what, what do you feel is the ramifications of this whole like movement over the past,

00:53:54.140 I would say really year to year and a half of defunding the police? Like, where do you actually

00:54:00.320 see this leading? Well, you know, I think everything ebbs and flows, right? So you're

00:54:06.080 going to have a downside and then it's going to recover at some point. But I think that we're

00:54:09.920 definitely in like a police depression, you know, because when you like you out there putting your

00:54:17.000 life on the line every day and you have an expectation that look, I'm doing things at a hundred miles

00:54:22.680 power. I got a split second to make these decisions. If I'm making this decision in good

00:54:27.160 faith and it's the wrong decision, I'm protected. I'm acting in good faith. If you rip that away

00:54:33.480 from a police officer and say, you're on your own, Jack, we want you, we want you to patrol. We want

00:54:38.100 you to put your life online. But bro, if you make a mistake, Lord forbid, you think it's a gun and

00:54:42.440 it's not a gun, but it's a cell phone in the middle of the night, pitch black darkness. Oh, you

00:54:46.260 going to prison for the rest of your life. You don't deserve to live. You know, I mean, cops are like,

00:54:50.420 wait a minute, man. Like I'm not doing this job for that. I'm not, I'm not putting my life on the

00:54:55.320 line and make split second decisions just for you to judge me for three months. You know what I'm

00:54:59.160 saying? Y'all got a year to put a case together against a police officer, but he had, he had a

00:55:03.220 half a second to make that decision. And so I think a lot of great police officers are retiring.

00:55:09.700 And this is the thing about retirement. If you're at the age of retirement for a police officer,

00:55:13.620 that means you have a lot of experience. That means you have a lot of level of leadership for the

00:55:17.520 most part, that leadership and experience is now gone. And you have young officers with no guidance

00:55:23.620 coming up in a system of fear and a lack of understanding and guidance from older officers

00:55:29.720 that have been here through generations of bad, you know, policing going up and down. And then you

00:55:35.660 got good men who are now turned 21, who say, I always wanted to be a police officer. I was born for

00:55:42.160 this. And then they like, Oh, I can't do it. Right. Good. Me say, I'm not doing that. I mean,

00:55:49.340 the policing ain't what I, what I thought it was growing up, all that I wanted it to be.

00:55:53.580 You'll go to prison for doing the right thing. If you white and you shoot a black man, it ain't,

00:55:58.640 it ain't no if, ands, or, but man, a lot of majority of the time you get done wrong. Even if you didn't

00:56:04.020 go to jail, you get fired because of political correctness. You lose your job. You lose your

00:56:09.680 livelihood, all that you've worked for, all that Academy work, all of that training, all of that

00:56:14.740 stressfulness and FTO, they throw you under the bus on one incident. And so people are,

00:56:21.800 they're not working on the police department. The ones who are there, not every police officer,

00:56:26.120 but I believe that a good majority of the ones who are there, they're not proactively policing.

00:56:30.380 I'm not going to go and go, go over the top anymore. I'm a, you called for service. I'll show up to the

00:56:35.800 service. If it get, if it get hasty, I ain't put my life on the line. Um, that's y'all, you know,

00:56:42.800 I'll take the case report. Um, you know, I see, I see Ray Ray and them doing a hand to hand.

00:56:47.860 I know Ray Ray was passing drugs through this community. That's the last five or six people

00:56:51.500 didn't die. Probably bought drugs from him, but, but no, no, no. Yeah. Because if I chase him down,

00:56:56.020 he pull a gun on me and I have to use force against him. I'm a bad guy. So let Ray Ray sell drugs over

00:57:00.780 there. I'm good. I just, I know that I know this guy cause we're on the street. This guy is, is,

00:57:06.900 is, uh, trafficking, stolen guns, but man, I don't want to get into an interaction with this guy and

00:57:11.680 it goes South. So as long as I don't see it, I'm, I'm hands off. I know, I know the dude selling drugs

00:57:18.420 at this house, this trap house. I pulled over three or four people from this house that I had,

00:57:23.100 they had drugs on. You know what? I don't even want to take it there because I don't want them to do a

00:57:27.620 raid and kill somebody. And then my best friend get in trouble because he's a SWAT team sergeant.

00:57:33.380 So I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm saying in a, in a, in a hypothetical situation,

00:57:38.200 this could draw, this could be a conclusion drawn about what, how people feel about these things.

00:57:42.800 You know, they want to kill each other every day. So what, why would I care? I'll show up after they

00:57:49.020 did. So, yeah, I don't think, I mean, you say this is, this didn't really happen, but I don't think

00:57:54.120 that's too far of a stretch of the imagination to say, yeah, obviously why would a police officer

00:57:58.200 go above and beyond duty when not only does he put his own life at risk, but his livelihood,

00:58:02.820 his family's livelihood and just his way of life. Why would you do that at this stage?

00:58:07.760 But let me ask you this. I mean, in, in, in lieu of defunding the police, which is an asinine

00:58:14.120 notion to me, do you feel like there is any sort of reform needed within the police departments

00:58:23.380 generally I'm saying, obviously we can't isolate one police department, but generally do you feel

00:58:27.580 like there's a need for any sort of reform? You know, I, I hate the word reform cause they've

00:58:34.120 just bastardized it. But, um, I think there's always room for improvement in law enforcement,

00:58:39.140 you know, with technology, um, with, with just what we learn about behaviors from people and

00:58:44.760 there's always room for improvement. You know, one, one thing that I wish that police officers or

00:58:50.460 police departments would reconsider is pursue policies in certain situations. When I was

00:58:54.200 a cop, I was mad. We couldn't pursue people, um, in the city. We couldn't, unless it was

00:58:58.580 a felony, aggressive felony against a person. Um, what was the, what was the logic behind

00:59:03.680 that? Well, cause they didn't want people to get killed unnecessarily because people

00:59:08.160 that, cause in Tucson is, it's you're in a city that's dense, you're in a dense, saturated

00:59:14.580 city, um, that most of the roadways are red lights and stuff like that. So it's, it's

00:59:20.600 only got one freeway to go through the city of Tucson. So the, the spirit behind is that

00:59:24.740 within the city, they want to mitigate pursuits because criminals don't care. They blow red

00:59:31.220 lights, T-bone and kill people. They run people over. They're so desperate. They may actually

00:59:36.080 kill more people or cause more damage. Then it's, then it's worth catching a person that

00:59:41.160 didn't commit a violent crime against a person, right? You're talking to a person

00:59:44.780 that shoplifted. They want to flee from you. Okay. Are you really willing to T-bone grandma

00:59:48.780 in an intersection, uh, over a person who, who got a misdemeanor shoplifting, you know?

00:59:53.200 So the spirit behind that is to mitigate the fallout somewhat, the lawsuits too. I mean,

00:59:58.200 I'm sure that's one of them. Um, so it made sense to me when I was a cop, I was mad cause

01:00:03.000 we didn't get to pursue nobody and the County pursued people for suspended driver's license.

01:00:06.580 You know what I'm saying? And it was fun. You know, I got to move to the County.

01:00:10.020 Yeah. Yeah. So it was pursuing people's fun. I'm not going to lie. It was fun chasing people.

01:00:14.480 You know, it's like a real game of a tag, you know what I mean?

01:00:17.700 That's right.

01:00:18.220 A car going a hundred miles per hour. So yeah. With real consequences for sure.

01:00:21.600 Right. So, but I think some, some departments may still have antiquated perspective on pursuits

01:00:28.340 and people are continuously getting killed. Police officers are dying in these pursuits as well. So

01:00:32.820 I think that I wish that that that's a, that's a point that I wish that police departments

01:00:37.280 would reconsider. I'm not saying every police department should not have a pursuit policy

01:00:40.620 because some police departments, that's what it is. That's what it is. You shouldn't run from the

01:00:44.000 police. Um, but I want to, I wish that we could revisit that all the other stuff, man, like

01:00:49.600 generally speaking, the use of force continuum, use of force policies are a one, in my opinion,

01:00:56.820 you know, maybe over time you can make it better, be more proficient at it, but the way to use

01:01:01.620 force policy is it makes sense to me. Um, I don't think we should change that because

01:01:06.040 they're starting to get softer on policing. And that's what getting people hurt. When I was in

01:01:12.300 the academy, they trained us ask, tell, make that's it. There ain't any much talking. I asked

01:01:18.580 you, sir, please put your hands behind your back, sir, put your hands behind your back. Then I make

01:01:22.540 you, there ain't no negotiating with you, especially when I have probable cause to arrest you. I have

01:01:27.840 a reasonable suspicion to detain you. I got to move. You need to know I'm not playing with you.

01:01:33.340 If you think I'm paying, playing, I'm a coward. Then you're going to want to fight me and run and

01:01:37.120 all of that stuff, you know? So, but, but the, the, the concept of reform is the problem because

01:01:43.120 people are pointing at situations where reform isn't the problem, right? You talk about Breonna

01:01:49.320 Taylor, what you don't need to reform. They shouldn't have came to the door with a gun and shot the

01:01:54.620 police officer. That was a, that was a legitimate warrant that was actually a no-knock warrant,

01:01:58.600 but they decided to not use the no-knock exception. They knocked on the door.

01:02:02.260 Right. And I don't think a lot of people know that. I think most people think they executed

01:02:05.820 that as a no-knock warrant. Yeah. No, they didn't. See, this is the thing. I'm going to say

01:02:09.960 this real quick because people may not understand this because I was on the SWAT team. And then of

01:02:13.120 course, I know a little bit about the warrant situation, but what happens is when you have a

01:02:17.240 violent felony, a felonious criminal, like Jamarcus Russell, I mean, Jamarcus Glover,

01:02:22.100 you have somebody that's, that's violent like that. And they hit multiple spots in one night,

01:02:27.380 right? Cause they didn't know which place he was going to be at. This guy's a violent criminal.

01:02:31.340 They need to have, in case of exigent circumstance, they need to have the no-knock

01:02:35.120 exception. So every warrant they got had a no-knock exception, but they, but they reserved that no-knock

01:02:41.720 for the place that they figured that Jamarcus Glover was going to be at and all the other places they

01:02:46.460 did not have to use it, but they reserved the right to use no-knock in case of these exigent

01:02:50.540 circumstances. So they found a particular house with him in it. They no-knocked and they, the SWAT

01:02:56.220 team hit that house. Breonna Taylor, although they had a no-knock exception, they decided not

01:03:00.740 to use it because she wasn't considered a violent criminal. And of course, they didn't know that

01:03:04.320 her boyfriend was in there with a gun ready to shoot the cops when they opened the door. So they

01:03:07.800 decided to knock because she was a low-level criminal and people didn't, people may not

01:03:12.400 understand that. Now the legislation that was passed, which is the stupidest thing I ever heard in

01:03:16.740 my life, they've now done away with no-knock warrants. Now, how stupid is that? No-knock

01:03:23.580 warrant didn't kill Breonna Taylor. A knock warrant killed Breonna Taylor. The no-knock warrant was

01:03:28.500 executed properly on Jamarcus Glover's residence where they had multiple men in there with guns

01:03:33.380 and drugs and all kinds of other stuff. And so they essentially, if this legislation was passed before

01:03:38.340 Breonna Taylor's death, she still would have died because they knocked on the door. Now, you know,

01:03:43.780 so this reform that they are pushing are just social justice ways of demoralizing and getting

01:03:50.960 rid of law enforcement and federalizing law, getting rid of municipal law enforcement and

01:03:54.420 federalizing it. Like George Floyd, there's no reform in George Floyd's situation. They don't teach

01:04:00.920 you to put your knee on somebody's neck until they die. That's not in the manual.

01:04:05.100 That isn't a standard operating procedure. That's not. You could put your knee on a guy's

01:04:11.780 neck, but my God, they don't teach you, put it on there until he dies. And when he dies,

01:04:15.860 keep it on there and make an excuse to say, I'm waiting for EMS. The man is dying. Take your knee

01:04:21.960 off his neck. Sure. Take the compression off of him, whether his knee on the neck or not,

01:04:26.400 because roll him in a recovery position. That's what they train you. He didn't do what his training

01:04:31.820 told him to do. Walter Scott was shot in the back, um, in South Carolina, I believe he fought

01:04:36.980 a cop and then he ran a cop, shot him in the back, try to put a taser on the cop, the cop messed up.

01:04:42.420 Um, they don't train. A Wendy's, a Wendy's drive-through or something. Is that, is that the

01:04:48.160 right? No, no, no, no. Walter Scott was while the Scott was open field, he was running through a field.

01:04:53.800 Yeah. Got it. Okay. And he shot him and killed him in the back. And then the cop tried to place a

01:04:57.560 taser on him, but somebody was recording. Um, but Rashard, Rashard Brooks, I think his name is

01:05:03.360 Rashard Brooks was the one in the parking lot of Wendy's Burger King or whatever it was. But

01:05:08.220 like there was nothing wrong with that situation because the guy pointed the deadly weapon at the

01:05:13.580 police officer, which is a taser fired it at the police officer's head and the police officer shot

01:05:17.480 him twice or shot him once or twice and killed him. Um, there's no need for reform in these situations

01:05:23.400 because the ones that are unjustified are not even trained in the first place. The ones that are

01:05:29.060 justified are properly trained, but people just don't like what they see. So then they, uh, persecute

01:05:34.840 the police officer. So it's, it's so muddled. It's muddied. And then the people who are making

01:05:39.940 these decisions don't know, they've never done a ride along. They never gone to police academy.

01:05:44.980 Every person that I talked to that, that pull this crap, we need police reform. Okay. What, what,

01:05:49.480 what reform? Oh, they need to deescalate. Well, dummy. They teach us deescalation in, in, in the

01:05:55.540 academy. We learned deescalation. And, and, and if we weren't proficient in deescalation, we would

01:06:01.040 be killing way more people than a thousand people a year. When we have 300, 300 million interactions

01:06:06.300 with people per year. We only, it only result in a death of a thousand and 99% of them are armed

01:06:13.240 criminals who are violent. So, um, if you were going, you know, you know, so the reform argument,

01:06:20.300 what I said, there's some nuances to it and police officers should be able to make that decision.

01:06:24.240 These other people who have no idea what they're talking about need to stay out of the argument.

01:06:27.880 You know, that's like a, that's like a, like me and you, I don't know if you, what your medical

01:06:31.340 experience is, but that's like me and you trying to tell a doctor, trying to go and talk about a

01:06:36.460 medical reform. It's like, well, I've never done surgery before. I don't even know what they train y'all,

01:06:41.620 but I'm telling you, you need to change this. That's wrong. And well, on the subject of medical

01:06:47.100 malpractice, you know, I need to write this in an op-ed that I was doing earlier, but medical

01:06:53.440 malpractice killed 200, at least 250,000 people a year. Um, police kill a thousand. It will take

01:06:59.840 police officers 250 years to kill as many people as, as the medical malpractice does in one year.

01:07:07.440 But nobody's talking about body-worn cameras for medical professionals. Nobody talking about cameras in

01:07:11.380 nobody's talking about reform for, for, uh, you know, the medical field and they kill and that's

01:07:17.960 the minimum. Some believe it's 400,000 a year. So, you know, well, I think that has to do,

01:07:23.920 I think a lot of that has to do with the, uh, just the amount of amateur footage, you know,

01:07:31.000 from cameras, people see something and the optics of it, whether it's right or wrong or within

01:07:37.620 procedures or outside of procedures or not, you see the optics of some of this stuff.

01:07:42.020 And, you know, frankly, a lot of it looks horrific from that one particular angle without any context,

01:07:48.760 without any nuance, without knowing what the procedure is and what that individual did.

01:07:53.320 Just like we were talking about earlier with the nuance, like, tell me, tell me the entire thing.

01:07:56.820 Like, let's see the entire thing, but we don't see it. We just see one angle and it looks bad.

01:08:01.200 I don't think anybody can deny that. It looks bad. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, if you could

01:08:06.860 snapshot many of the use of force that I've done in my career, I would look like a horrible police

01:08:12.640 officer. There was one lady that was in the back of patrol car. The funny thing is that she was a

01:08:17.120 victim, man. Her boyfriend was drunk. They all were drunk. He pulled a knife on her, tried to stab

01:08:21.600 her. One of the family members knocked the knife out of his hand and we show up, we're arresting this

01:08:26.080 guy for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He's walking to the car. She goes to throw a beer

01:08:31.080 on top of him and hit all the police officers. So, you know, I have to detain her now because

01:08:36.140 she's now assaulted police officer with beer. I, I on bar, but she's so drunk that she's

01:08:41.020 limp. So when I on bar, she hit the thing, boom, like a potato, like a sack of potatoes. Boom.

01:08:45.980 And you know, she claimed, Oh, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. My baby, my baby. And I'm like,

01:08:49.640 Oh my God, this lady is pregnant. And then obviously her family was like, she, she lies. She's

01:08:54.120 just fat. She's not pregnant. But if you would have caught the instance of me on bar and her

01:08:59.880 hitting the, hitting the deck like that, you people was there. Oh, police brutality. Or

01:09:04.940 she was sucking dirt in. So once I got it down, she's sucking dirt in her mouth, trying to choke

01:09:10.320 herself and doing all that. And I'm like, so I had to sit on her back. She acts like she's choking

01:09:15.700 on her back. It just, just, I have no idea why this lady's so stupid. Then I had to sit her up and

01:09:23.020 we tried to put her in the car. Now she's like two 50. Right. And she's drunk limp. We trying to put

01:09:28.520 her in the back of the car cause she's under arrest. She got handcuffs on. We're trying to lift this

01:09:31.900 big old girl up in the car and the back of the car is not big. So one cop is in the backseat

01:09:36.700 trying to get her up. We trying to pick her legs up. She just limp. Now, if you just started the

01:09:41.000 camera there, while we're lifting up, her pants came down. So her underwear is out and her boyfriend

01:09:47.120 is in the back of the cop car in the street saying, uh, man, at least pull her pants up, man.

01:09:51.540 Now, if you screenshot that, you'll think, look what they doing to that poor lady. She's clearly,

01:09:57.580 she's clearly drunk or unconscious. No, she was playing. She was faking unconscious. So we couldn't

01:10:04.700 put her in the car, you know? So, and then I think we got to the jail. She said, I raped her or something.

01:10:09.520 So, you know, you know, this kind of stuff is why when I see a clip of a video, I say, okay,

01:10:17.340 let me see more, you know, let me see more. There's times where I had to punch people and

01:10:22.640 knock them up. This one guy, he was 300 pounds, big old bodybuilder, dude. He was the 911 caller.

01:10:29.120 He called and said his girlfriend and him got into an argument. When I pulled up, she, I saw her

01:10:32.980 leaving the scene. It was just an argument. So I'm like, let me check in with the guy and make

01:10:36.260 sure it wasn't more than just an argument. I didn't know what he looked like. He's sitting at a mailbox.

01:10:40.700 He does this when I drive by. So I'm like, maybe that's him that called in. Cause of course you

01:10:44.960 got a picture when they called in. So I go down to the end of the block and I called a person who

01:10:49.100 called in. I said, Hey, what does the guy look like? Or I couldn't get in touch with him. He comes

01:10:53.120 walking from the mailbox towards my police car. So I get out because I don't know what this dude is

01:10:58.300 doing. He was there with a friend. His friend is telling him, don't do it, man. Don't do it.

01:11:03.520 I'm thinking this guy's going to attack. You're going on alert. Sure. Of course. So he was going to

01:11:07.660 attack. And this dude is way bigger than me, dude. He's like 300. He was a bodybuilder. You could tell he

01:11:11.000 still had his legs. He was like six, five, 300 pound dude. And so of course, you know, I act like

01:11:16.040 nothing's going on and I drop, I impact push him as hard as I could. And I dropped him. And so, I mean,

01:11:20.780 he flew because he was drunk. He flew back, bumped his head on the ground and he's all, and I'm on top

01:11:25.080 of him ready to go to work if I had to. And I don't know if his friend is going to attack me. Long story

01:11:30.720 short, man, he was wrong. He ended up, my, my sergeant didn't even charge him with it, but he was wrong,

01:11:36.680 whatever the case may be. But if somebody would have just caught a clip of him walking up to me

01:11:42.400 and me hitting him and him hitting the ground like that and me on top of him and I'm all

01:11:46.160 with my gun. I mean, I don't, I don't think I put my gun on that guy, but I was just like,

01:11:49.580 get back, get back. People would have been like, Oh, look at that cop. Look at that. They just so

01:11:53.100 aggressive. They always doing that. Man wasn't doing nothing. Like, no, bro. He was attacking me,

01:11:57.660 man. And you just catch a clip of it. So anyway, it just, like you said, the proliferation of these

01:12:03.720 cameras and stuff right there. It just, that's why I tell people if it sounds too juicy, take a,

01:12:10.000 take a next second guess to get more information because normally if it's too juicy and it's too,

01:12:15.100 Oh man, just shot this man for no reason. It's like, there's more to it, man.

01:12:19.620 I saw something on Twitter the other day and somebody had said something,

01:12:22.720 something to the effect of nobody ever felt like a fool for waiting for more information to come in

01:12:27.280 before formulating an opinion or something like that. And I thought, man, that's exactly right.

01:12:32.280 Cause we do like, I do it too. I'm not, I'm not going to say I don't do it. You know,

01:12:35.780 I see something or see some outlandish headline or, or claim or social media posts. I'm like,

01:12:41.640 Oh, you know, and blow up and outrage. And then later you realize, Oh, that really wasn't what it

01:12:46.640 was. So I think we need to exercise some discernment and how quick we are to, to judge a scenario.

01:12:50.440 We know nothing about almost all of these major situations. I've been 100% right on it because I was

01:12:58.440 one of the only people that said, okay, let me, let me just see. I know police can't just kill you

01:13:04.120 like this. They might, but this is not normal. Let me do a little research. Wait a little bit.

01:13:09.700 They come out that the guy put a gun and here's the second camera. The police released the body

01:13:14.440 worn footage. And it's like, I told y'all, I told y'all like Makai Brian, they like, Oh,

01:13:20.020 they just killed. I remember the headline came out. They just killed a 16 year old girl, man.

01:13:23.980 They just shot a dead for no reason. And I'm like, they just shot us unarmed 16 year old

01:13:28.940 for no reason. Let me just watch this because it could be, but it's rare.

01:13:34.400 What do you know? She had a knife and she was going to stab trying to start.

01:13:37.200 I remember I posted that and I posted it at night at midnight. It had a million views

01:13:42.460 in like an hour, two hours. And then YouTube cut it because they didn't want it to go viral.

01:13:47.600 They cut it. They gave an age restriction and it died at 1.2 million views in like a few hours.

01:13:52.260 But regardless of that, like, you know, you, you gotta take your time and realize that if it sound

01:13:58.480 crazy, just do some more research, do some more. Like, like Kyle Rittinghouse. He just out there,

01:14:04.080 he was running around killing people. I said, you know, that doesn't sound right. That a kid just

01:14:09.280 out just gunning down people. When, when I see a little of an image of him cleaning up the city,

01:14:14.200 he looks like an unassuming kid. Well, you know, he wasn't just killing people. They were attacking him,

01:14:20.020 you know, trying to hit him with a skateboard. One guy pulled a gun, pulled a gun on.

01:14:25.420 He pulled a gun, but you know what? One guy had balls. The other guy didn't have balls. That's

01:14:29.680 the only reason why Kyle Rittinghouse is alive today. Rosenbaum didn't think he would do it.

01:14:35.180 Oh, this little corny, little, little kid. I mean, that boy ain't gonna shoot me.

01:14:38.440 Okay. Now he, you know, you know how you see those clips where a person's talking to me like

01:14:43.240 you're having, like, Oh, yeah, look at this clown. Oh man. He got me. That's right.

01:14:51.520 Oh man. And the other guy too, you know, his death was a little slower, but you know, these people,

01:14:56.640 you know, whatever, but you can never take things at face value. Even women. Oh, he ran me rape me.

01:15:02.320 I got raped. This man raped me. I say, I always say, okay. Okay. It sounds very compelling,

01:15:07.940 but let the information figure it out. Yeah. Cause this could be, people do lie. And when I was a

01:15:14.660 police officer, about 80% of women who said that they were raped were lying. Um, unfortunately,

01:15:20.520 this is one people don't, I don't want to get into it, but people don't understand that like most rape,

01:15:24.880 uh, that people report are disingenuous. The most people who actually get raped,

01:15:31.380 they don't never report it. Um, and that's a problem, you know, cause some people use that as

01:15:36.720 a tool, you know, like I said, I, in my whole career of people, uh, calling for rape, whatever,

01:15:42.000 it was like three women. Uh, one was a meth head that I didn't believe her at first. You know,

01:15:46.360 I ain't gonna lie. She was a mess. She was a mess. She was meth out, out of mind. She couldn't even

01:15:50.140 talk straight. He raped me or whatever. It was a boyfriend. And I'm like, but you know, you got to do

01:15:55.080 an investigation. Oh man. He went to prison for a very long time because he did, he stabbed,

01:15:59.000 he got stabbed. He tried to stab her. All kinds of crazy stuff actually happened to her. Um, and she

01:16:04.140 was really telling the truth, but you know, that was like one in a lady, uh, the guy said he was a

01:16:09.200 Tucson police officer and he groped her on a ride, but he actually worked for the state. He actually

01:16:16.320 worked for the state, which was, he did. And so that fool, I don't know what he was thinking. Cause

01:16:20.680 she had him take her. She, she, he had her take him to his house, his residence on the Uber app

01:16:27.260 with his real information. And he groped her on the thing. So he went, I'm sure he went to jail.

01:16:32.880 I, I, I, I wrote that case report good. And it was like one other girl that actually got raped,

01:16:36.620 but it was a bunch of them that were like, boy, they cheated on their boyfriend. Boyfriend

01:16:40.120 walks in. Oh, he raped the guy raped me and they go all the way through until they get to the

01:16:44.280 detective. And they're like, okay, no, I didn't get raped. I was just afraid. Um, some women being like,

01:16:48.160 I don't remember what happened or whatever, but you know, I've learned through trial and error

01:16:55.760 that listen to the first thing you hear, but understand that there's two sides. Once you get

01:17:01.780 both sides of it, then you can better make an assessment, never make a decision on one side

01:17:07.500 of an argument, even if it's incredibly compelling. I had a lady beat. She had knots on her head,

01:17:13.920 blood coming out her nose. My boyfriend beat me up. Get him. He beat me up. And I remember

01:17:20.020 thinking like, Oh, this dude is a piece of crap. I can't wait to catch him. Now he's going to get

01:17:24.920 his whooped. I see him and he got scratches and bloody nose too. And I'm like, what the? And so

01:17:31.420 he explained, and I'm telling you, I was emotionally invested in the fact that she was beat up like

01:17:35.940 that. And I was like, I'm going to find this guy. Right. He said, bro, that she attacked me.

01:17:42.000 I was asleep. She must've went through my phone and thought I was cheating with some girl. And

01:17:47.420 she attacks me in my sleep. And I didn't know it was her. I didn't know who it was. I was

01:17:52.200 swinging in, in, in the pitch black darkness. I thought somebody was robbing me and I'm swinging

01:17:58.620 and I hit her a couple of times. And then I realized it was her after a while, you know,

01:18:03.160 and then she admitted to it. Yeah. You know, he was cheating on me. So while he was asleep,

01:18:07.840 I just started hitting him because he shouldn't cheat on me. And I'm just like, Oh my gosh,

01:18:11.900 you started this. You the one, that's why you got knots on your head. Cause this dude is getting

01:18:16.260 beat in his sleep and he don't know what's happening to him. So, you know, but brother,

01:18:22.300 I wasn't, that was the last call that I ever got invested like that emotionally, um, on the first

01:18:29.500 sign of a victim, you know? So I hope that that story will compel people to say it can look like

01:18:36.540 it's right. It can be, the world thinks it's right. There could be an alternative reason to

01:18:42.220 why this happened. You know what I'm saying? So, well, I think this is a good thread line.

01:18:46.000 That's run through the whole conversation is just, Hey, look, there's nuance. There's things that you

01:18:50.700 need to understand and let's not take the characters on Twitter. Let's try to do our own research.

01:18:56.120 Let's look at multiple sides and all the angles, and then we can formulate better decisions. And I

01:19:00.460 think more people should do that. And the more that we do, I think we'll all come to better

01:19:04.520 conclusions on to how to, how to, how to lead ourselves well, how to lead our communities well,

01:19:09.680 and just, just be better human beings in general. Yeah. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. I

01:19:14.100 couldn't agree more. Well, right on brother. Well, I appreciate you. I wish you the best of luck with

01:19:18.740 the book guys. If you want to pick up a copy, please do beaten black and blue. I think it's out today as

01:19:23.920 of the release of this podcast. So make sure to pick up a copy of the book, support Brandon,

01:19:27.760 Brandon, I appreciate you for round two, coming back on. I always appreciate your insight and

01:19:32.400 your commentary. You're a level-headed dude. And that's what we need people who are rational

01:19:36.960 about it and spreading the truth. So keep up the good work, man. I appreciate you.

01:19:40.320 I appreciate you, Ryan, man. Thank you for having me on. And yeah, you guys can get my book. Just go

01:19:45.140 to beatenblackandblue.com. It's available on Amazon. So, and thank you for having me on,

01:19:49.900 man. I really appreciate it. Great conversation.

01:19:51.420 You bet. We'll link it all up so the guys can know where to go. Thanks, brother.

01:19:55.780 Appreciate it.

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