In this episode, we catch up with our good friend, Kip. We talk about his time at the muster, deer hunting, Disneyland, and Halloween. We also talk about some of Kip's recent trip to Maine.
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00:00:24.600Hey, Kip. It's good to see you back. I don't know whether the guys who are listening thought that you would be back or not, based on our last conversation.
00:00:31.760So, I don't know how they feel about it.
00:01:05.660Well, it's good to see you back, man. You went to, you were doing a lot of things.
00:01:09.360I got, people were sending me messages of like, look, I'm with Kip.
00:01:12.060I'm like, I don't, I don't care if you're with Kip.
00:01:14.440Like, why are you sending me texts about your pictures with Kip?
00:01:17.620Making me feel bad for not being at the muster.
00:01:19.720Yeah. It was deer hunt, a mad scramble one day at Disneyland and then off to the muster in Vegas.
00:01:30.160How was the one day at Disneyland? Were you able to hit one ride the whole, the whole entire day?
00:01:34.600And yeah, it rained. And so, uh, it wasn't bad because most people belled out.
00:01:40.360So that's true. Yeah. So I will say that October at Disneyland is actually, I was going to say, it's not good.
00:01:48.900It's not good. It's more manageable than the rest of the time.
00:01:52.920Dude. What was great is, well, and I, I think Disneyland was closed, but right in the peak of COVID, we went to Universal Studios.
00:02:03.120We went to Orlando. I like, yeah, I like Universal Studios. It was awesome. Yeah. Like literally no lines on anything.
00:02:11.260I'm like, this is so worth wearing a mask if I don't have to wait in any lines.
00:02:15.480Perfect. It was, it was pretty slick. I'm sure that's gone. That opportunity has passed itself for all of you guys.
00:02:20.560Yeah. And then the deer hunt, how did that go? Um, uh, I mean, it was, I didn't even get a fire, my weapon.
00:02:29.460So I, but I saw, we saw a few does, my brother drew on a buck for a moment and just didn't have a clean shot.
00:02:36.980Wait, it was an archery hunt. No, I I'm sorry. I hadn't had glass on rifle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um,
00:02:45.340that just a hell of a lot of hiking. So I was all over that mountain. Was that a Delta area? Is that where you guys hunted or where did you hunt?
00:02:54.220No, we, we drew tags, um, in the Manti region. So we were just North of Mount Pleasant. Yeah.
00:03:01.760In those mountains. So it was, but you know how it is. Like, even if, even if we don't get a fire weapons, it was me and my two brothers and my brother's three boys.
00:03:11.420And so it was the, you know, the five of us up there. It was, it was good. Yeah. Yeah. We had, uh, we had youth day, uh, not this last week in the weekend before.
00:03:22.880So there's one day for youth in Maine. And then we had Maine resident day, which was Saturday. And so we went out both days. We didn't see a single thing. Uh, and it was funny cause I was texting my neighbor.
00:03:36.400I saw my neighbor yesterday at some Halloween thing, like a trick or treat thing. And, and he was like, how did it go? I'm like, uh, it was okay. You know, we spent some time together. It was fun, but we didn't see anything. He's like, yeah, it was slow for me.
00:03:46.920I saw 23 does in one buck. I'm like, get the hell out of here. That's not slow. You trying to rub it in on me or what? I'm like, I needed you to teach me my, your, your secrets, man.
00:03:56.900But, uh, yeah, like ours, like we, where we went, um, we had a hike through private land. Like there's like a little hiking path, you know, to get through this property.
00:04:09.120The fields are just full of deer and bugs. And I'm like, there's so much irony of just walking by all these to go to the mountains, to not find anything.
00:04:21.880You know, it's like those, those deer know, man. It's like, you wouldn't think, but they know turkeys. No deer. No. Yeah.
00:04:30.500Well, anyways, it's good to have you back, man. We've got some good questions that we're fielding from the Facebook group, I think today.
00:04:36.680So you and I hand selected a few of these and, uh, I think they're pretty good questions. So let's get after it.
00:04:43.720Yeah. Sounds good. So like Ryan said, these questions are coming from the Facebook group to join us there.
00:04:48.800Go to facebook.com slash groups slash order, man. All right.
00:04:53.100First question before you get into that. Yep. One thing I do want to make sure the guys know is that by the end of this week, we're actually going to be shutting down registration for the iron council, uh, for the month of November.
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00:05:13.300Cause we really want to make sure we put a heavy emphasis on our current members, which is almost a thousand members now.
00:05:18.820Uh, and these guys have really big lofty goals for 2022. We want to make sure we give them all the support they need and then putting into some place, some strategies.
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00:05:49.000There you go. All right. Kyle Schweiger.
00:05:52.120How do you balance chasing my dreams and providing for my kids? They seem to be counterintuitive. Um, they live pretty well now. When is enough?
00:06:05.160Man, unless you want to go like run away with a circus, I'm not really sure that they're, they're at odds with each other.
00:06:12.120I can't imagine a scenario and like, Hey, I w I want to do this. And it's at odds with providing for my family. Really? Like there's people that are,
00:06:19.820that have created the dumbest shit, selling the dumbest shit. Like, look at these, uh, these, like what's Jake and Logan, Paul, look at them.
00:06:28.000Like they've created this, this empire out of nothing. And what are they selling themselves? Like, that's it. Their ability to be annoying.
00:06:36.920That's what they're selling. And so like, what, what are you trying to sell? That's at odds with putting food on your kids' table.
00:06:45.480I mean, look, we live in this incredible time. Unlike any other time in history, there's so much
00:06:52.260prosperity. There's so much abundance. I mean, think about what we do with order of man. We're
00:06:56.500talking about how to be a better man. And, and, and we're making seven figures doing this. Like,
00:07:02.040come on now. I just don't think they're at odds. And if you think they're at odds, that's probably what
00:07:07.580your, your hurdle is. So you're creating odds and barriers that just aren't there.
00:07:12.240So I actually would like to know more about this question. Like, what is it that you think you want
00:07:17.380to do or pursue that would be at odds with you providing for your family? I just don't see that
00:07:22.240being the case unless it's some sort of weird, obscure. And even in that case, there's a bunch
00:07:27.060of weird, obscure people who would buy whatever it is that you're interested in selling or offering.
00:07:31.580So I don't, I don't see why this would be at odds with, with providing for your family. I commend you
00:07:36.740for wanting to do that, but it's not at odds with it.
00:07:38.760Well, and I would say that, that Ryan, you chasing your dreams is part of being a good parent,
00:07:45.980right? To, to show your children, like, this is what it looks like to go after and to have a
00:07:50.480meaningful life and to pursue something you've always wanted to pursue, right? That's part of
00:07:55.560parenting. It, it, I find it interesting that we, we even do this with work. I think sometimes as
00:08:00.780we'll go, we'll work is from, let's say nine to five and families from here and fatherhood is,
00:08:07.320no, they're all intertwined with how I show up at work should be the same, same. It develops me into
00:08:14.280a man that shows up as a father in life. Like it's, it's who I am being in life as a whole.
00:08:21.740And some of it, we might classify as work, but, but they're very much part of the same thing. I think,
00:08:26.780I think so. I think they're all, they all support one, each other.
00:08:31.860Yeah. I mean, your ability to make income isn't the only determinant factor of whether or not you're
00:08:35.960a good father. It's an important factor for sure. Cause you got to put food on the table and a roof
00:08:40.240over your kids' head. Sure. But it's not the only factor. And it's a bit of a false dichotomy. It's
00:08:45.140like the question, Kip, we get all the time about guys who are like, well, you know, should I,
00:08:49.340should I go work this job that, that has the potential to, to be the best thing ever and pursuing my
00:08:55.540dreams? Or do I stay in this other job and be miserable, but make good money? Like you could
00:08:59.300actually have both. You can, you can make great money and you can pursue something more meaningful.
00:09:04.600In fact, I think in this day and age, you can make more money pursuing something that is meaningful.
00:09:10.400Like the fact that it's meaningful and significant and important to you will over time gradually mean
00:09:18.060that you're going to make more income. Why? Because income is a metric of value. And the more
00:09:24.640valuable you can be to other people, the more money that you're inevitably going to make.
00:09:29.120So it's, it's a bit of a false dichotomy. And I really think that you can have your cake and eat
00:09:33.220it too in this scenario. And you should be working towards that. Now let's, let's address this though.
00:09:39.080And, and give them some pointers here just because you're pursuing your dream doesn't need,
00:09:43.800mean you need to be reckless. So a lot of guys have that burn the boats, burn the bridges mentality.
00:09:49.080Yeah. And, and I, I do understand that to a degree. And I think at some point you really
00:09:54.260need to take that leap of faith. Depends who's on the boat, right?
00:09:58.040Yeah. That's true too. Yeah. And what you have to risk and what you have to loot. Like there's
00:10:02.640a lot of choices here. Yeah. So at some point you do have to commit and you do have to take a leap of
00:10:09.780faith, but you don't have to burn the boat. Like I didn't burn the boats when I started Order of Man.
00:10:15.700I was doing my full-time financial planning practice. I did it for about two years before I
00:10:20.720finally sold the practice and went full bore with Order of Man. But by the time I did that,
00:10:25.600I was already making significant income with Order of Man. You know, so it's nice. It's a nice little
00:10:30.900tweet or a nice little meme or quote on Instagram about burning the boats and like all that kind of,
00:10:37.720look, I get it. But also the reality is you don't have to do that. You can be working a job right now
00:10:43.700and you can be really good at that job. And one of the things that Kip, you say all the time,
00:10:47.820which I really appreciate is you talk about becoming the best in your current occupation,
00:10:53.780your current line of work. And that's going to help you either feel more valuable and meaningful
00:10:58.880where you are, but it's also going to help you develop and build skill sets for when you do
00:11:03.100eventually maybe make a leap. So be the best where you are, but also have a plan where you're
00:11:09.320you're gradually phasing out of this and moving over to this. It's a seamless transition,
00:11:13.700not an abrupt stop. Yeah. One question for you, Ryan, because I think this might be what
00:11:19.960some men might be thinking as they listen to us is, but what's, what's the red sign? What's the flag
00:11:27.360for you of, Hey, you know what? I'm putting work or AKA chasing a dream too high of a priority.
00:11:36.160What would you use as a measuring stick to say, Hey, you know what? This is too much.
00:11:40.160Right. And, and I'm, I am, I am putting that before my family or above a higher priority.
00:11:47.020I really think we need to measure our commitments. So when you married your wife, you made a commitment
00:11:54.420to honor her, to respect her, to, till death do you part. Uh, and if your own selfish desires and
00:12:02.440aspirations are getting in the way of your prior commitments, that's a problem. So if it's creating
00:12:08.220rifts in the marriage, uh, if it's not allowing you to, cause when you signed up to have children
00:12:13.400and when I say signed up, I mean, when you decided to get it right, like you didn't literally sign up,
00:12:21.900but you know what I'm saying? When you signed up to have kids, then you made a commitment to honor
00:12:27.380those kids, to teach them, to respect them, to be there, to be present, to teach them, to father
00:12:31.500them, et cetera, et cetera. And if your work is getting in the way of that commitment,
00:12:35.800then that's a problem. Right. So I think you have to weigh it in comparison to your other
00:12:42.320commitments and obligations and responsibilities. And sometimes that means you need to sacrifice
00:12:46.880quite honestly, you know, like it would have been nice if, when I started order of man,
00:12:52.380if I could have just went from day one, just went and just ran with it. And I think we'd be a lot
00:12:57.140further ahead today. If I did that, actually, maybe not. I don't know. I'll explain that in a
00:13:01.300minute, but I couldn't do that because I already made commitments to my wife and my kids to protect
00:13:05.860them, to provide for them, to put food on the table, to put a roof over their head. My wife wasn't1.00
00:13:09.200working. She's staying at home with the kids. So I had commitments and I've had to put a deliberate
00:13:14.000throttle on the business actually. Yeah. Because I made those commitments and I make that consciously.
00:13:18.660Like it isn't something I'm unaware of. I'm very aware of that. I've made those conscious choices
00:13:23.300and decisions. So I think when it's at odds with your other commitments is where it becomes a problem.
00:13:30.740Got it. Okay. Talking about burning bridges or boats, I mean, Jason Schmidt, when you've made the,
00:13:37.720when you've made the decision to burn the boats and go all in on your path, what's the best method
00:13:43.020to keep the doubt at bay, to allow you to stay the course? I found that this is the hardest part.
00:13:49.600I mean, if you look, I think it's natural to have doubts about where you're going and progressing and
00:13:55.160moving forward, even if you have quote unquote, burn the boats, but like you don't have time to
00:13:59.020entertain that because you burn the boats. Like you just said, if I've burned the boats completely,
00:14:03.780then you really don't have time to entertain. What if it goes wrong? Cause what's your backup plan?
00:14:08.660Well, you don't have one. That's the actual whole point of burning the boats.
00:14:13.000Yeah. It's a, it's, I mean, let's be frank, right? The whole phrase is the idea of being fully
00:14:17.940committed to doing whatever you're doing, right? Without this idea of, well, I got this plan B.
00:14:24.160So when it gets tough, I'll just go with plan B. And that doesn't mean that you're, you're going to
00:14:28.940free yourself of doubt and frustration and worry and concern. When I married my wife, I made a commitment,
00:14:35.240an eternal commitment to be with her. And yeah, I still had doubts. You know, when I go all in on
00:14:42.320the business with order of man, there's still days where I'm like, I don't know if this is the right
00:14:46.080thing to do, but my path is forward, not backwards. Right. So like if my marriage is struggling and it
00:14:52.680has in the past, my, my path isn't to retreat and look for a divorce and separation and withdraw.
00:15:00.580Oh, my path is how in the world are we going to get through this moving forward? Yeah. And that's
00:15:05.800a much more productive way to look at it. Look, everybody has doubts. That's okay. Not everybody
00:15:10.860has solutions. So if you can be the man who figure out solution to figures out solutions to his
00:15:16.120problems, you're going to be much more valuable than the man who has doubts and doesn't do anything
00:15:19.660about it. Cause a lot of guys, what they'll say is, well, you know, I'm worried about X, Y,
00:15:23.700and Z. Okay. We've talked about this in the past, Kip. That's incomplete. Yeah. We're all worried
00:15:30.500about X, Y, and Z. Everybody's worried about that. The next half of that sentence is I'm worried about
00:15:37.260making enough income. So I am going to try this form of marketing. I'm worried about making sure
00:15:44.320that I provide enough value to my clients. So I'm going to go above and beyond so that they get
00:15:50.660maximum value and they want to refer people to me. See, that's the complete thought.
00:15:55.420Most of us just kind of stop abruptly and we don't really think about it. Imagine the burn,
00:16:01.120burn the boats mentality or that analogy. I think it was some Spanish conquistador,
00:16:07.120maybe Cortez or somebody that we get this story from. Imagine if he's like, Hey, I'm going to burn
00:16:12.660all these boats and then we're just going to sit on the beach and see what happens.
00:16:17.460That's not how it went is we're going to burn the boats and then we're going to
00:16:20.640march forward. Here's our strategy. Here's our plan. Here's our maneuvers. We're trained to do
00:16:24.640this and we're going to go forward. And that's the complete thought.
00:16:29.220And let's be, if I, we should probably confirm if it was Cortez, but, and I would assume that he
00:16:35.060didn't burn the boats because he needed them burnt. He burnt the boats. So his men would be forced to
00:16:41.200follow him and they wouldn't bail out on him. Like, I really don't think like order a man, for instance,
00:16:47.100you didn't need to burn any boats. You can actually be committed to something and be committed to a
00:16:52.960plan, execute against it and actually see what happens. I actually think that most doubt comes in
00:16:58.180because people start questioning the plan and they go, Oh, well, I'll just think of workouts,
00:17:05.600for instance, right? I have a, I have a regimen. I've done my research. I go, okay, this is the diet.
00:17:11.020This is the workout plan. I'm going to commit to the doubt. Isn't your commitment. The doubt is,
00:17:18.820is this the right plan? And it's a little bit of a lie in the sense of, well, this is kind of hard
00:17:25.120and maybe this isn't the right plan versus maybe your commitment necessarily shouldn't be
00:17:30.700so much to the results, but just be committed to the plan and actually see it through and say,
00:17:36.640Hey, I have a plan. I'm going to commit to showing up and doing my best job in the plan. I'm going to
00:17:41.680trust the process and then see what happens. But we get, we look beyond it and go, Oh, well,
00:17:47.180you know what? My waist isn't any thinner than it was. And my weight's going up. And, and then they
00:17:52.720start doubting the plan. And in some cases, as we know, like even in the iron council, it's like
00:17:58.040most guys in the IC, if they look at their battle plan and said, if I executed a hundred percent on
00:18:05.620it and we looked at it retrospectively and said, man, if I did what I had in that plan last quarter,
00:18:12.280a hundred percent, we would all almost a hundred percent agree. I would have been so much better
00:18:18.560off, but yet we don't execute against it because we just get wrapped up. And I think it's just a,
00:18:25.600it's the lie and it's the excuse. And we're looking for excuses because things get a little tough.
00:18:31.800Well, so I was actually going to rebuttal to what you said, but then you came back and give me,
00:18:35.980gave me the rebuttal to my rebuttal ahead of time. Yeah. Well, I saw it on your face and I thought I
00:18:40.340better keep talking until I see smiles. No, I'm just joking. So my initial rebuttal was, no,
00:18:46.740you should be questioning the plan. Of course, you have to question the plan.
00:18:51.700Yeah. Otherwise it isn't the right one. Yeah. Right. But you said something interesting. You
00:18:56.420said, if you go back and you did a hundred percent, I think we'd all be satisfied with where we are.
00:19:01.160So here's what guys do. They do 70% of the plan and then they question the plan.
00:19:05.940Yeah. Bro, don't worry about questioning the plan until you do a hundred percent of it.
00:19:10.520Yeah. Like 70% ain't going to get you there. It's the 30 you didn't do that is actually going to move
00:19:15.360the needle. It's the 30 you don't want to do. It's the 30 that's uncomfortable. So yes, question the plan.
00:19:21.760But actually do the plan fully. It's a, it's a go, no, go exercise. You either did it or you
00:19:28.260didn't. If there's 10 steps to the plan and you did seven, then you didn't do the plan.
00:19:33.920Not you did 70% of it. No, you didn't do it at all. It's a complete, it's like a package deal.
00:19:40.060It's like this podcast. You get me and Kip. You don't get to get one or the other. You get both of us.
00:19:45.320Right. So you got to do a hundred percent of it. But there's another thing I wrote down here too,
00:19:49.500Kip is I wrote, there's a big difference between burning boats versus burning bridges.
00:19:54.880Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I was kind of using the analogy of like, you know, if your family's on
00:20:00.300the boat and you're going to burn it for your career, bad idea. Maybe wait, because again,
00:20:06.680that's an obligation, right? You said you're going to get these people safely to shore,
00:20:10.200do that first. And then you can worry about burning the boat.
00:20:13.320Yeah. But, but there is a difference between burning boats and burning bridges. Burning boats
00:20:18.680is not having a plan B like, Hey, I'm going forward. I'm fully committed to this. Burning
00:20:23.780bridges is idiotic. You don't need to make it harder on yourself just for the sake of being hard.
00:20:30.860Like if there's a, for example, if I'm going to leave an employer, like I'm not going to walk into
00:20:39.280his office and yell and scream and talk about how big of a moron he is and F this and F that. And I
00:20:45.080don't need, no, I'm going to go in there and be respectful and say, Kip, I appreciate you training
00:20:49.280me over the past five years. I appreciate the opportunities you've afforded me. I appreciate
00:20:53.380everything that you've taught me. I've made a decision for myself and for my family to move forward
00:20:57.880with this new project, but I want to let you know that you've been a big part of that.
00:21:03.080And although my path has taken me different now, somewhere, somewhere different now,
00:21:08.720I really respect you and I honor you. And I thank you for everything that you provided for me.
00:21:13.800Okay. So that's burning the boats, but I didn't burn bridges with you. And if anything, I solidified
00:21:18.840the bridge. And I'm not saying you do that to tuck tail and come back, but there may be an
00:21:23.820opportunity down the road where you can make a connection for me, or I can make a connection
00:21:28.320for you, or I need a referral or an introduction. We don't need to burn bridges just because we've
00:21:34.100decided to burn boats. Yeah. Yeah. I've had so many scenarios in my life where my ego wanted to burn
00:21:42.240a bridge. And I think the Lord, I did not do it totally because those relationships came back around.
00:21:49.740I ended up knowing someone who knew that person, like so many scenarios. And it's even happened to
00:21:55.360me where someone burned a bridge for me. And then I ended up becoming their boss.
00:21:59.700You know what I mean? Yeah, man. It's like, guys, yeah. Like don't, yeah, don't do that.
00:22:06.160Yep. All right. John Reiners for believers. Where is the line between faith and sovereignty?
00:22:14.380How do we claim full sovereignty over our lives when the scriptures tell us that everything comes
00:22:19.980from the Lord? So this is one, Kip, you and I discussed even hitting on this, this question,
00:22:25.680because this is one we get all the time. And we made the decision that we should talk about it
00:22:29.460because it does get brought up all the time. Here's what I'll say. And I actually talked about
00:22:33.420this in the iron council. Can I say something really quick?
00:22:34.980No, you asked the question. No, you asked the question. That's your role, Kip. There's nothing else.
00:22:40.300No, go ahead. Let me, let me tee you up. This is so critical. Like, this is like,
00:22:48.100like, even if you're not a believer, the idea of faith and sovereignty and making a clear distinction
00:22:55.000of how they're related to one another, I think is so critical. And it's even more so for anyone that
00:23:01.620has a religious belief and a higher power. You have to get this straight in your head.
00:23:06.200Proceed. Proceed. We haven't got the same word. All right. So this is a question that got brought
00:23:14.020up on Friday's call in the iron council. Were you on Friday's call or were you out?
00:23:18.160No, I was mustering, mustering, mustering like that. So we talked about this on Friday's call
00:23:24.400because somebody else brought it up. And here's what I, here's what I said to that individual
00:23:29.220that, and look, I'm just going to talk about it from a spiritual religious perspective right now
00:23:34.500that God, one of the greatest blessings that God gave it, gave us is free agency, free will.
00:23:42.780Like that is a, that is a blessing through scripture that we know he has bestowed upon us
00:23:48.060because here's the deal. If Kip, you and I, and everybody listening did not have free agency over
00:23:52.940our lives, what would be the point of this existence? There would be no point to being here.
00:23:57.740There'd be nothing we need to learn. There'd be nothing, no way that we need to grow,
00:24:01.460no challenges we need to face, no hardships that we need to deal with and improve and get
00:24:06.200better from. There'd be no point to being here, but we're here. So we know that we're here for
00:24:11.380reason. And we're here to be challenged, to be tested, to learn, to grow, to develop. And the
00:24:17.400only way we can do that is if God has granted us agency over our own lives. Now that doesn't mean
00:24:24.000we get to absolve ourselves of the consequence or the responsibility that comes from making choices,
00:24:29.280but it does mean that we get to make our own. So in his infinite wisdom, God said to you,
00:24:34.860I give you sovereignty over your life. I give this to you. And that's a gift to do what we want to do
00:24:43.020with it. It doesn't always go according to plan. It never goes according to plan. It doesn't always
00:24:47.640work out the way we would like. We don't always make the best choices, but the fact remains that
00:24:52.060we have sovereignty over our own lives. And God has given that to you. Now, let me give you another
00:24:58.620scenario. Let's say that you're 50 pounds overweight or more, and you've really wanted
00:25:04.120to get in shape. And so you decide to look into some coaching and you hired a trainer and he gives
00:25:11.820you a workout plan. He tells you what your program's going to be. He works you through your macros and
00:25:17.620your micros, and he teaches you about nutrition and he gives you meal plans and he gives you all of this
00:25:22.360stuff. Would you ever say to yourself that because somebody else gave you a plan for working out,
00:25:28.900training, lifting weights, and eating, that you have relinquished your sovereignty? No. No, because it's
00:25:35.160still a choice to execute against said plan. You would never say you'd relinquish your sovereignty.
00:25:41.280And so by choosing to follow the gospel of Christ or any other gospel or doctrine, it doesn't matter
00:25:47.760what it is. Do you believe that you are giving up your sovereignty by voluntarily making a choice to
00:25:53.560follow a path that you believe will serve you well? Of course not. The loss of sovereignty is
00:25:59.620involuntary and it's done typically through manipulation, coercion, or force. Meaning that some
00:26:08.140employer or some person or some organization manipulated you or some army forced you and took away your rights
00:26:16.320and your freedoms. They took from you. It's not that you gave, they took from you. That's the
00:26:23.480difference. So by choosing to follow God's path, you're not relinquishing control. You're making a
00:26:32.060voluntary choice to live a path that you think will serve you well for whatever reason. And I'm not going
00:26:37.080to judge what that is, but you think that will serve you well. That's a sovereign choice that you made.
00:26:42.380And I commend you for making that choice, but it isn't at odds with God's sovereignty or dominion
00:26:47.480over this world and all of universe and all that we know. It just isn't. Yeah. And, and I think
00:26:54.540there's, there's a sense of honor that comes from taking something voluntarily and choosing to do
00:27:02.920something with it. Yeah. I mean, imagine, imagine our children, if you, if you, whether it's, I don't
00:27:11.040know, financials or you grant your kids gifts and they do nothing with their gifts, right? Because,
00:27:21.200and as we know, talents require action and development. It's, it's very similar in the sense
00:27:27.720of we need to take what has been granted to us and honor it by doing something with it, by being,
00:27:33.160by acting upon it. And, and in your example of the gym, if we don't, if we don't go, if we go with
00:27:38.980the gym theme here is, can you still give credit to the gym that said, Hey, you know what, if it wasn't
00:27:45.980for some of this equipment and the weights and the membership in which you granted me, I wouldn't be
00:27:51.580able to work out and, and grow physically in the way I am without this, this gift of gym. The answer
00:27:59.240is, yeah, you should be grateful for that gift and grateful for the training and the plan that you
00:28:04.960didn't even know about. Right. That's not taking credit away from the Lord in regards to recognizing
00:28:11.640the, the, the role and the position and the things that have been granted to you.
00:28:16.140Yeah. Well, and it's not, it's also Kip, not taking away any of your effort either,
00:28:20.680because let's just take ABC gym. How many people have a membership to ABC gym and don't do anything
00:28:27.220with it? Yeah. Like just because it's there and it's a resource doesn't mean that you're
00:28:32.060actually utilizing it effectively. So there's two different things. You've got the environment,
00:28:36.900you've got the space, and then you've got you who has to use it. But I wrote a couple of things
00:28:40.600down here too, Kip. One of the things you talked about is taking something and making it better.
00:28:44.780That's actually very masculine. You think about what we, as men do, we take raw materials and then
00:28:51.160we, we manipulate them and we use tools to chop trees down, to turn into houses and lumber and
00:28:59.880turn into paper. Like we, we, as men take raw materials, raw goods and repurpose, repackage,
00:29:07.160combine, do a lot of manipulation, use tools on to create productive outcomes for ourselves and other
00:29:13.020people. Like technology is another great example. Technology is amoral. Money is amoral. All these
00:29:19.020things around you, this environment that you live in is amoral. It isn't until you as a man acts upon
00:29:24.940it and decides to put it to good use and turn it into a tool. You take tools, for example, and you're
00:29:30.260trying to mine iron ore and metal and steel out of, out of the ground. Okay. Well, that was a raw
00:29:37.040resource and we, we, we used it effectively to create a productive outcome now, but there's,
00:29:42.960there's another question in here. And this is something I've pondered on a lot is destiny and
00:29:48.900fate, you know, these types of words versus free will, especially when it comes to God. Cause I'll
00:29:53.800have a lot of people ask me, for example, you know, if, uh, if God knows all, if he's infinite in his
00:30:00.000wisdom, then he would know the path that we're going to walk. Right. Like you would agree. Would you
00:30:04.500agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would. So does that take away our free will? No, it doesn't.
00:30:10.640Here's why. Even though he may know the path you're going to walk, you don't. And so you're
00:30:16.040still making a choice free of knowing the outcome, which means you have free will, even though he may
00:30:21.820already know what you're doing. These are philosophical questions that I go late at night
00:30:27.560and can't sleep. It's either late at night. It's either this or jujitsu. That's all I think about when I go to
00:30:31.920sleep and I can't go to sleep and that's how it works. Well, and it's, and it's easy to relate
00:30:37.540when you think for, if you're a parent, right? Like, you know, like so many times, you know,
00:30:43.240what's going to happen. If your kid does ABC, you know, and you just sit back and you go, Oh man,
00:30:50.700you know, they're going to crash and burn or they're going to get hurt or, you know what I mean?
00:30:55.040Whatever. And you let them choose sometimes. So that way they'll, they'll learn. So no, I jujitsu is
00:31:01.780super funny. I was thinking, I was in a sales meeting this morning. No joke. This is how it
00:31:07.180goes. I'm sitting right next to this other guy and we're talking and I look down and I see his arm
00:31:12.240right by me. And I, and I thought, I'm going to grab here. I could wrist lock him. Like immediately.
00:31:20.240My first thought is like, how would I, how would I hurt him from here?
00:31:24.240It's so funny. It is. And you laugh because it's so true all the time. I'm like, I walk around like
00:31:32.080at a store. I'm like, kick the back of the leg, check, get his neck. You know, I'm like,
00:31:39.000it's on my head all the time. It's awesome. It's it. I do the same. I don't know that I go that far,
00:31:45.820but like when I put my head on my pillow, the first thing my mind goes to is like jujitsu.
00:31:52.660And then I can't sleep. And I'm like, okay, if he does this, then I'm going to do that. And then,
00:31:56.780or I go through a move and you know, like my, my buddy I trained with, he's a black belt,
00:32:00.900Ryan Daggett, you know, he'll destroy me like he always does. And then at night I'm like,
00:32:05.140how did you do that? Okay. Wait, what, what did he do? Wait. But then how did he get to that
00:32:09.540position? Well, what was his, what were his feet doing? And it's a blessing and a curse.
00:32:16.540Yeah. In fact, at our, our last main event that night, you know, I, I worked through my mind.
00:32:22.900I even grabbed Clint in the hotel. I'm like, Hey, can you be a dummy for me? I just want to kind
00:32:27.200of go over some sequences, you know, just make sure I'm good for tomorrow. He's like, yeah, sure.
00:32:31.600We went over them. I couldn't sleep for like three hours. I was like walking through sequences in my
00:32:37.360head. It just got on my brain. And I was like, Oh man. So it's awesome. Yeah. It's cool. I like it.
00:32:43.760Uh, even though I get less sleep, I still like it. All right. What's next?
00:32:47.720Uh, Billy, uh, with you, with your recent monster whitetail harvest, how do you utilize your meat?
00:32:54.980Jerky ground steak. What is your favorite dish to make with venison meat or any game
00:33:00.360jerky at all? You're asking the wrong guy. Like I'm not. So here's usually what I do when I take
00:33:08.140it to a butcher, when I take a deer to a butcher, usually what I do is like, of course the backstrap,
00:33:15.400I usually keep the backstrap in the tenderloin for myself. I don't, I don't turn that in. I pull
00:33:19.040the backstrap tenderloin out myself and then I'll just cut them up into little, little steaks,0.61
00:33:23.980you know, on the backstrap and tenderloins are pretty easy because they're semi-small. Um,
00:33:28.420but usually what I'll do at a butcher is I'll, I will usually quarter it and I'll give it.
00:33:33.220And I've broken down animals all by myself. If I'm going to do it, I'll do it myself. That's fine.
00:33:37.480And then I make as much roast as I possibly can out of just the big, the bigger pieces of the
00:33:43.140hindquarters. Uh, and then I will get some of it as jerky, but the majority of it, if it's not a roast,
00:33:51.280it's not the backstrap, it's not the tenderloin. I usually have them cut it with some tallow or,
00:33:56.560or beef fat and just turn it into burger. That's what I do personally. Yeah. Yeah. As far as it's,
00:34:02.380as far as best meals, whatever, it doesn't matter. Like I like stew, like stew venison stew is really
00:34:08.180good. Um, we, I love the roast that we have backstrap. You don't need to do anything to it.
00:34:13.800My good friend, Brandon Lilly, when we were out there in Minnesota, uh, he cooked up three hearts,
00:34:19.320two or three hearts that we had. And I normally don't like the texture of heart,
00:34:23.040but the way that he prepared it and he chopped it up and the stuff that he did with it, it was so
00:34:27.680good. I'm not a cook. I need to get that recipe from him and give it to my wife. Cause I'm not1.00
00:34:32.180going to do it, but my wife will. But, uh, yeah, that's usually what I do. I'm a pretty simple man.
00:34:37.480Just give me, give me the roast, give me the backstraps and grind the rest down with some beef fat and we'll0.68
00:34:42.080call it good. Get some burgers out of it. That's what we do. Yeah. Yeah, man. I've,
00:34:47.180I've seen so much, like I've, we've had guys, you know, this, my dad was a wild game butcher as a
00:34:53.240kid. That's the reason. Yeah. That's the reason we never went hunting. Cause that was like busy
00:34:59.080season, but no joke, man. We've, we've had people come in and like with an elk and like
00:35:04.760jerky at all. I'm like, really? Correct. Y'all. Yeah. Waste to me. Well, my dad had a really good
00:35:13.000jerky recipe that a lot of people loved. Yeah. He had a reputation. Yeah. Yeah. We had a huge
00:35:19.800smokehouse for just massive amount of jerky, but, um, yeah, that's funny. All right. Justin,
00:35:26.280what do you do? What, like, what would you, what would be your go-to on a, on a mule deer,
00:35:30.340a whitetail? I'd be the similar to you. I do all the major standard cuts, you know, get as many cuts
00:35:35.920and then out of the scraps, what I call the scraps, I would just probably hamburger it and then
00:35:40.800jerky the rest. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Cool. It's pretty good. All right. Justin Herzl, uh, what to
00:35:47.100consider when to speak and when to hold your tongue? I need this. Cause I, I, I probably speak
00:35:53.420way too much. Yeah, I do too. And I ended up, I ended up probably more than I need to put in my
00:35:58.880foot in my mouth. I think I'm having a hard time answering this question, but I think really
00:36:04.960probably what you ought to do is, is examine your motives. Like, is this ego? Am I just
00:36:12.120hearing myself talk? Am I just trying to sound good? Yeah. And, and only you can identify what
00:36:17.860that is. And I, and I've heard guys, and even at times I like to talk, I like the sound of my own
00:36:22.700voice. Obviously I mean, it's what I do for a living, but I have identified times where I'm just
00:36:27.140like yapping for the sake of yapping. Cause I like the sound of my own voice or I want to, I want to feel
00:36:30.900important. So it takes a, it takes a really honest look at yourself as to whether or not you're doing
00:36:38.020it for yourself or you're doing it for other people. And if you do it for other people, I think
00:36:42.720the way that you're going to deliver something is going to be significantly more genuine and it's
00:36:47.940going to land more effectively because you're going to ask questions. I see this actually in the
00:36:52.060Facebook group quite a bit. Somebody will ask about a scenario and you know, you'll have a hundred
00:36:56.660comments from guys like, we'll do this, do that and do this and do that. And they're all
00:36:59.940conflicting. It's like, well, hold on a second. Like how many of you guys are actually asking
00:37:03.960questions to try to get some context to the situation that's going on. And, and to me,
00:37:10.040that could be, it's hard to say though, because even somebody who offers advice could feel like
00:37:15.320they're coming from the right place. It's such a hard thing and it's very personal, but I would say
00:37:20.740examine your motives. Are you trying to hear yourself talk? Uh, or are you genuinely offering
00:37:27.480feedback, but there's also another side to this? Sometimes guys will be quiet when they should
00:37:33.240speak up. You know, if you see something dangerous or something needs to be shared or something needs
00:37:39.560to be said, or you need to defend a position, then you, you have an obligation to speak up.
00:37:46.680And so a lot of guys won't speak up because they're afraid, uh, or they're, they're worried
00:37:52.040about how it will come across, which is also a very egotistical motive. So ego can show up in one
00:37:59.160of two ways. You're going to over talk or you're going to under talk. And so you need to be really
00:38:03.680truthful about what your motive is. And then I think you're going to have a better decision as
00:38:08.660to whether or not you should speak up or not. And just listen. That's cool. I, I, this was on my
00:38:14.480mind a lot this past couple of days at, at that muster, something that Jocko shared that I thought was
00:38:19.600like, yeah, that's pretty crazy. And he said that, so there was like five, 600, got five, 600 people
00:38:26.460there at this event. He had zero communication around slides, music, food, the lanyards, the
00:38:38.120workbook. He said, when someone asked him to sign the workbook, that's the first time he's ever even
00:38:42.080seen it before. Right. He had almost zero communication around any of those things.
00:38:49.440Now, part of this is decentralized command and ensuring that like people are empowered or
00:38:53.740whatever, but part of it also is trust. And he, he talked a lot about when of course building
00:39:01.880relationships, but also getting people's. And I, now these are Kibbs terms, not Jocko's, but
00:39:07.120getting people's buy-in requires them to come to conclusions on their own, which often is more in
00:39:15.000the area of a question than it is you telling them. Right. And it kind of goes back to what you're
00:39:20.520saying is like making sure they're in line with the desired outcome that, you know, like you've
00:39:25.300mentioned in the past, you know, the commander's intent and then let it be. And I really thought,
00:39:30.340I really took away from that. It's like, how often am I speaking saying, Oh, are we doing this?
00:39:35.500And, Oh, are we doing that or whatever? And it's not necessary at all. And I'm just
00:39:41.820quasi micromanaging, making sure I sound important and et cetera. Right. When it's probably would,
00:39:49.420would have been totally okay for it just to be handled the way it was going to get handled.
00:39:53.940Maybe better. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the other thing that I really, if you don't mind me sharing,
00:39:59.740cause I, I really thought this was really interesting is, you know who, who, who used the
00:40:04.600analogy of the bank account, the emotional bank account? Who was that? Was that Stephen Covey?
00:40:09.800I don't know. I've heard it so many times. I don't know who like, I've heard of the,
00:40:14.000like the relationship bank account. I, I, so many times, I don't know who originally said it.
00:40:18.200Yeah. So, so echelon front, they, they talk about your leadership capital and you only have so much
00:40:25.880leadership capital and, and that you should also be mindful of that as well. And I think it kind of
00:40:30.760relates to this is if you're speaking all the time, it loses its value a little bit.
00:40:35.760Oh, definitely. So choose when you're going to speak. So that way it's even more impactful
00:40:41.360and treat it as some capital or maybe a bank account balance, almost like we've, we've heard
00:40:47.280with the whole emotional bank account. So, yeah, no, it's a good point. I also wrote down here.
00:40:52.720It's a good time to speak and to shut up. If you know, you're, if you know, your place.
00:40:59.180Yeah. You know, like, for example, if I went to muster and Jocko's on stage,
00:41:03.600I'm not going to raise my hand and talk and pontificate on all the things that I know about
00:41:07.720leadership. Cause it's not, no, that's a stupid example, but it's also true.
00:41:12.460But people do it all the time, all the time, all the time. So you have to know your place.
00:41:17.340And here's another way you can know your place. Did somebody ask for your opinion?
00:41:22.860Like how, how many guys give unsolicited feedback? I get it quite often. And I, I try to ascribe
00:41:30.460noble intentions to it. I think genuinely people are trying to help, but we just suck at
00:41:36.700communication. Not just them. All of us suck at communication. We're all inferior. We need to work
00:41:42.960on that. But if, if nobody asked you, probably the default is just to keep your mouth shut.