Order of Man - Cancel Culture, Introduction to Firearms, and Stock Market Predictions

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Kip, what's up, man? Good to talk with you again today. Looking

00:00:27.260 forward to the AMA. I always look forward to this. This is good stuff.

00:00:31.700 And it's better when it's both of us. I mean, I know over the past several months we've had

00:00:35.660 to divide and conquer a little bit. And you do an okay job. It's just better when I do

00:00:40.060 it, though. For sure. And vice versa. And vice versa, man. I think the dynamic between us

00:00:47.100 two serves the guys well. Yeah. No, but it's always, I do enjoy the solo just because it's

00:00:55.020 challenging for sure. But it's good nonetheless. What's challenging about it for you? Like,

00:01:01.100 what is the most challenging issue with it? It's just the ability that I can hit pause and start

00:01:07.740 over. And it's not an inconvenience to anyone else. So it's super tempting to respond to a

00:01:12.900 question and go, okay, I said the same thing like five different ways. I could have just said the first

00:01:18.940 initial sentence and moved on. You know what I mean? And I repeated something and I was like,

00:01:23.480 damn it. I should hit stop and start over. I know what you're saying, but here's what I found

00:01:28.720 is when you mess up, just own it. Like instead of restarting it, just say, damn guys, sorry.

00:01:35.580 I screwed that up. Just, I'm an idiot. Let me just start that over. And if you just own it,

00:01:41.680 and I learned this a long time ago in sales, my background is, is retail sales, clothing specifically.

00:01:47.480 And if you just own the potential objection by somebody else. So in this case, a listener might

00:01:54.160 say, oh, you sound like an idiot. If you just say, sorry guys, I realized I sound like an idiot.

00:01:59.280 You just took away all of their ammo to, to, to come back and you made light of it and you defuse

00:02:06.160 the situation and it's just better. You know what? Even, even like, I even think about this with

00:02:11.480 talking with women. I know there's a lot of guys who struggle with talking with women.

00:02:14.360 Just say it. Hey, you know what? You're I've been out of the game for a while. Okay. So bear

00:02:21.100 with me on this guys. But it's like, you try to approach a woman. It's like, Hey, I just feel

00:02:25.300 really uncomfortable. Cause I'm, I'm intimidated around attractive women. Yeah. Like you just own

00:02:30.620 it. And there's, and then all of a sudden it's like you, there's nothing that they can come back

00:02:35.440 with. Right. And, and so I found that if you just own your, your shortcomings or even your

00:02:42.460 perceived shortcomings, people are like, yeah, I know what he feels like. Cause I have that same

00:02:47.680 issue, but it's when we try to like pretend like we're better than we are. People can see right

00:02:53.800 past that anyways. And then it puts this undue pressure on yourself to perform when it's like,

00:02:59.880 just lighten up. Yeah. You know, sometimes I stumble over my words. I realized one of the issues

00:03:05.260 I have is I talk way too fast. It's okay. It's okay. Like you guys will get through it. I'll get

00:03:13.140 through it. I'll get better. We're all get better. Let's just afford each other some grace and have

00:03:17.200 some fun with it. Totally. Well, and the other one, it comes across like you're putting yourself

00:03:20.700 on a pedestal and that just annoys people, right? Yeah, for sure. Because again, because they can see

00:03:27.080 through it. And then, you know, you, you see when somebody is full of crap and they're trying to put

00:03:32.700 themselves on that pedestal and it actually creates a wider divide in the connection between

00:03:37.420 you and that person. Like it's, it separates you even more. So when you're trying to resonate and

00:03:43.760 connect and land with people, find ways. And sometimes some self-deprecation is, is like a good

00:03:53.260 thing. You know, I, I realized a trip all over my words. I talk too fast, but I'm excited. Yeah. So

00:03:59.920 deal with it. That's the price of, yeah, exactly. Do you ever watch, um, anger management? Do you

00:04:07.040 ever watch that show? Just tell me who you are. I'm not, I'm not going to say it. No, no. When

00:04:12.060 he goes up to the girl in the bar and he gets coached and he's like, go up to her and tell her

00:04:16.040 it's hard to talk to you when I'm on the verge of. Yes. Yes. When you were saying, ah, yeah. Yeah.

00:04:25.280 I was like, that's actually funny. I was thinking, well, you don't, you can't game it either.

00:04:31.260 That's the difference though. You know, a lot of guys will like try to game it.

00:04:36.380 Yeah. Instead of just being, and I hate this word authentic. Yeah. I knew you were going to say it.

00:04:42.820 I was on the verge of my mouth. I was like, well, I'm not going to say it. Cause Ryan will like D

00:04:46.460 blow it off. He's like, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.

00:04:49.400 But even still think about that word. When people say, how do I be more authentic? Well,

00:04:53.900 you're actually doing the opposite of being authentic by even asking that question.

00:04:57.980 Yeah, totally. Because you're trying to be authentic. You cannot try to be authentic and

00:05:04.420 actually be authentic at the same time. Yeah. You just be, if you're trying to be authentic,

00:05:10.620 you're anything but authentic. Yeah. And that's why I struggle with that phrase so much is because

00:05:16.200 like, Oh, you should just be authentic. How do I be authentic? Well, you just be it. Like there's

00:05:22.120 no strategy. If it was a strategy, it would be inauthentic. It's the opposite of what you're

00:05:26.380 trying to create for yourself. Yeah. When, and we've, we've chatted about this in the past,

00:05:31.340 but sometimes, well, let's be frank, any opportunity that people have to be a victim,

00:05:35.980 they have a tendency to latch onto it. And there's a little bit of like, well, I'm just being me like,

00:05:41.220 and accepting it as though they can't change or evolve or become better. Right. And then it's

00:05:46.360 like this excuse of just like being themselves. It's like, well, what is you, right? Like it's

00:05:51.640 still based upon your action and based upon choice and how you evolve as an individual. So.

00:05:58.260 Well, this is the problem with the whole like body positive movement and the be happy with yourself

00:06:02.860 and love yourself thing. Like I understand some of the sentiment. Yeah. But when I, when I say be

00:06:08.520 happy with yourself or be, be happy with who you are, you talk about being authentic or genuine.

00:06:13.740 I'm not saying be happy with a weaker version of yourself.

00:06:19.360 That's not what that phrase should mean. It does mean that for a lot of people, Hey,

00:06:23.500 you're 50 pounds overweight. Great. Be happy about it. Well, no, that's not authentically you.

00:06:29.560 That's you with 50 pounds more than you should have. So it's not about being happy, you know,

00:06:36.240 with who you are. It's about being satisfied with you working towards the best potential version of

00:06:44.980 yourself. So, cause the alternative is if I'm supposed to be happy with myself, why would I go

00:06:50.600 to the gym? Yeah. Why would I work on my skillset as a podcaster? Why would I develop new hobbies and

00:06:57.640 skills and activity? Why would I do that? I'm happy with where I am. No, there has to be some sort of hope

00:07:02.700 and optimism for the future. And so rather than being happy with a mediocre version of yourself,

00:07:08.160 be satisfied with the skillsets, the characteristics, the things you're excited about

00:07:12.220 and interested in all your little weirdos and queer quirks and all that kind of stuff.

00:07:16.720 And, and think about and focus on who you can become. Now, some people say, well, that's being

00:07:21.200 inauthentic. No, it's not working towards who you want to become is not disingenuous. Like if

00:07:28.820 somebody wants to be a master pianist, for example, you wouldn't say to that individual,

00:07:33.520 oh, well, you're being inauthentic because you're practicing the P the piano. You're not a pianist.

00:07:38.500 Yes, I know, but I'm working to become one. Well, you're not a hunter. What? Oh, that's

00:07:43.000 inauthentic. No, you're right. I'm not a hunter. I'm working to become one. Yeah.

00:07:47.820 All right. Let's get to questions today. There's our warmup.

00:07:53.840 Yep. We have one question that Anthony Munoz brought up last week. He said, with the Boy

00:08:00.260 Scouts being in so much trouble and declaring bankruptcy and all of that, any thoughts on

00:08:04.140 starting your own version? I brought up legacy, but I wanted to give you a chance to kind of add

00:08:08.500 to that before we jump into additional questions. Yeah. Legacy is a great experience. It's a father-son

00:08:14.520 event that we run once or twice a year. Unfortunately, we had to cancel this year's

00:08:19.120 event. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah, I heard. Yeah. So we canceled that the end of last

00:08:24.080 week and it's unfortunate, you know, but, but it is what it is in the wake of COVID and all that

00:08:29.360 stuff. And fortunately we're in a position where it doesn't impact us as greatly as some of these

00:08:33.660 other people and their businesses. We also have a kid's battle planner coming out that should be

00:08:39.240 available. I would say in the next week or so. So that's one step, but I've got a lot of

00:08:44.340 plans. Yeah. I always have plans and thoughts and ideas, whether I implement them or not as

00:08:48.140 something entirely different, because I do try to maintain my focus on working with men,

00:08:52.440 because I feel like if I can help you as a father or a leader in your community,

00:08:56.480 then it's your job to then turn around and help the youth and the kids, whether they're under your

00:09:01.500 direct care, because you're, you're biological children or stepchildren or your coaching and

00:09:07.120 you're some sort of indirect mentor. Like my job is to give you what you need. And then you can

00:09:12.160 in turn, give the kids in your life, what they need to thrive and Excel. So there may be some

00:09:17.680 other things down the road that are quasi boy scout type situations. We're doing some things in the

00:09:26.060 iron council that I think will translate perfectly over into something like that, but it's on the

00:09:31.300 horizon loosely. Okay. There you go from the man himself, Nick. Um, all right, Nick Barnes.

00:09:39.480 What is the best pathway tip on that last one? Yeah. Hey, look, if you feel like there's a gap

00:09:44.500 or a need, then create it, you do it and I'll do everything I can. But if you're waiting for me to

00:09:52.100 do something, you might be disappointed. You know, that may not be my, my path. It may not be an

00:09:57.620 interest of mine. I'm not saying that it isn't. I'm just saying, if you're waiting for somebody else

00:10:01.380 to provide a solution, you might be waiting a very long time. But if you see like, Hey, here's a need,

00:10:06.100 man, take what we've done, model, what we've done, model, what other people have done that

00:10:09.820 have been successful and do your own thing. Like there's nothing to say that you can't with a kid

00:10:13.620 or your children or your teammates, you know, people that you're coaching that you can't take

00:10:18.500 a weekly lesson from this podcast and say, okay, well, I'm going to teach this. I'm going to translate

00:10:22.460 this for, for young men. Totally. And I'm going to, I'm going to create, you know, two challenges

00:10:27.120 based on the one thing they talked about. And I'm going to do, do that. Like there's nothing to

00:10:31.800 keep you from doing that. So take ownership of it, take charge. And if you want something,

00:10:35.640 then just go out and create it. That's what I did with the podcast. You know, I wanted a,

00:10:40.280 an outlet. There was a couple of outlets out there. I thought they were lacking in a lot of

00:10:44.000 ways. I thought they were doing some things wonderfully, but I also thought they were

00:10:47.000 lacking in some ways. And so I said, well, it's lacking there. And rather than email them and say,

00:10:51.780 Hey, you should do this and this and this. I was like, Oh, I'll do that. And now you're listening

00:10:57.300 to it. Yeah, that's great. Um, our questions today from our, from our Facebook group, uh, to join us

00:11:04.700 there, facebook.com slash group slash order of man. All right. Nick Barnes, what is the best pathway

00:11:10.440 for developing a movement with more consistency and principle and method method than we've seen

00:11:15.740 in various protests this past few years? It seems like the message and the method are horribly

00:11:20.760 inconsistent for every group from within, uh, within from something that they say that leads

00:11:26.920 to self-defeating protests and riots. So maybe a little bit of a breakdown between the protests

00:11:32.580 and then it turns writing and inconsistent message. Look, these, this, this writing and this vandalism

00:11:39.860 and this violence that's happening has little to do with George Floyd. Like, I think we can all

00:11:44.520 admit that regardless of what side of the aisle you're sitting on, it is long surpassed being

00:11:51.440 about George Floyd is long surpassed being anything about, uh, uh, violence on, on black individuals,

00:12:00.660 uh, perpetrated by police officers. It's long past that. And those things need to be addressed. Oh,

00:12:07.240 and by the way, they actually are. That's the interesting thing. Uh, I can't even think of

00:12:14.500 his name right offhand the, uh, the, the, the, the man that, that kneeled on George Floyd's neck.

00:12:19.480 I can't think of his name right offhand. Well, he was arrested. These guys that, that ran down that,

00:12:26.980 uh, that young black man in the street and try to be, yeah. And try to be vigilant. Well, those guys

00:12:33.460 were arrested and they're, they're being charged with murder. Those things actually are being addressed.

00:12:40.740 So does it happen? Yeah. I'm not going to say it doesn't happen, but justice is like being played

00:12:48.000 out. So like, what is the issue? What exactly is the issue? That's the problem is that we let

00:12:55.540 movements and this could happen with order of man too. This is a movement, right? If I were to let

00:13:00.880 every Tom, Dick and Harry into the movement who wanted to spout off his own nonsense or bullshit or

00:13:06.340 do his own program or whatever. And I allowed that to happen. It would be very easy for this

00:13:11.580 movement to be infiltrated by people who don't believe in what we originally set out to do.

00:13:16.880 So I'm very, very vigilant in this. And people will say, Oh, I can't believe you'd censor. Well,

00:13:20.840 yeah, of course I would. Well, don't you believe in free speech? Yes. But I've never once told you

00:13:28.060 that this is some sort of free speech platform. Like Facebook has, has promoted like Twitter and

00:13:35.260 Google and all the other places. These are, these were founded on being free speech platforms.

00:13:40.380 That's not what order of man is. This isn't just the wild, wild West. In fact, I've blocked a couple

00:13:46.120 of people today because they were dicks, not because they disagreed with me, but because they were dicks.

00:13:50.020 Like, I don't have any qualms about, Oh, you're censoring them. No, I'm not. Well, maybe I am.

00:13:56.380 Yeah. And like, this is my movement, you know? So I think if you're talking about starting a

00:14:02.540 movement or you're looking at these movements, then those people need to be very clear about what

00:14:06.300 the, what it is they're trying to do. And then not let other people who are not interested in that

00:14:11.000 movement be associated with it. Because BLM at this point is, frankly, it's a joke. What does that even

00:14:17.960 mean at this point? It's well beyond black lives matter. By the way, everybody agrees with that.

00:14:25.120 We're fortunate in that we live in a country where when I say everyone, I mean, 99.99999%.

00:14:31.540 There's racists out there. Right. And there's probably a lot more than we think because they

00:14:36.220 keep them, their, their thoughts and their ideas and their behaviors to themselves, which is good.

00:14:40.980 That's what we want. But when you say black lives matter, everybody already believes that.

00:14:47.960 I believe that you believe that everybody listening to this podcast, we already believe

00:14:50.900 that, but that isn't what they're, that's their name of their organization, but that isn't

00:14:55.700 actually what they believe. I mean, they're talking about dismantling the, the, the nuclear

00:15:00.580 family. I don't believe in that. In fact, I believe in the exact opposite of that, that

00:15:05.760 we ought to embrace the nuclear family and strive as a society to, like I said, embrace it, to

00:15:10.960 embolden it, to, to help it thrive and to flourish. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to say I'm,

00:15:18.340 I'm stay, I stand with that organization. I don't, I believe black lives matter, but I don't stand with

00:15:22.820 that organization. I don't stand with that. And, and the other part of the problem, I think that we

00:15:28.200 see is that so much of the population is just really, really comfortable with just accepting whatever

00:15:35.420 the narrative is. So I saw this thing over the weekend where there was a video of some

00:15:41.020 individuals burning books. And then, then somebody said, oh, they're burning Bibles. And then somebody

00:15:47.080 said it was Antifa and somebody said it was here. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, hold up.

00:15:51.840 Like, let's really figure this out. Like, is it really Antifa? Are they really Bibles? Is it really

00:15:58.720 in Portland or wherever you say it is? Like, I want to know if that's actually true before I jump on the

00:16:03.160 bandwagon and say, yeah, look at Antifa burning books. Now, based on what I've seen that, that

00:16:07.540 happens to be the case, but, but not enough of us do our own research to figure out what's actually

00:16:12.460 happening. And we just accept the narrative. And that narrative could have been accepted or, or,

00:16:19.020 or communicated from either side of the aisle and whoever shared the story could wrap their own

00:16:25.400 narrative around it. And then whatever side of the aisle that you sit on, you could, you,

00:16:31.340 you could just potentially buy into that without ever doing your own research.

00:16:35.980 So I think we ought to just take a pause when we hear things, when we see things, take a step back,

00:16:41.140 regardless of what side of the aisle you sit on and ask yourself, hold on, did Trump really say that?

00:16:48.080 Hold up. Is Biden really on the cognitive decline? Or is that a ploy from the right side of the aisle to

00:16:56.860 make him out to be a dunce? Like, let me, let me figure it out. Like, let me do some research and

00:17:02.260 really figure it out on my side. Yeah. That's what we ought to do more of. We just don't do enough of

00:17:08.360 it. We just accept it as true when we see it. Yeah. And, and, and own what we promote, right?

00:17:13.620 Like if I'm promoting black lives matter, or if I'm even just promoting it, let alone donating money

00:17:18.520 is like, where's, what's the organization that's, what, what do they do? Like other than create a

00:17:24.340 narrative, like, where does that money go? Who are they supporting in what ways do they do that?

00:17:28.080 Like, and it's funny because I think it's just social construct where we just toe in line and go,

00:17:33.360 Oh, well, you know, everyone's doing it in the narrative fit. So, you know, now like a little bit

00:17:39.200 of the social pressure, right. To conform. And if not, you know, Lord forbid, you know, you get

00:17:46.900 demonized for not toeing in line and you know what I mean? And then there's this other narrative that

00:17:51.840 gets created for when you don't support something. It's, it's really interesting. In fact, on a related

00:17:56.940 note, from a social perspective, I think I find this very, very interesting is look what happens by

00:18:03.520 making the, and I'm not saying this is necessarily bad about it. I just think it's interesting to

00:18:09.340 consider is by making masks and the spread of COVID a social and group focus, people that are

00:18:19.700 naturally wanting to be victims will, will latch onto that victimhood and blame others for their

00:18:26.020 circumstance. So for either side, by the way. Yeah. And, and, and so you look at this scenario by which

00:18:32.740 someone will get sick and then whose fault is it? Well, it's everyone else's. Well, it's your fault,

00:18:39.480 Ryan, that my, my dad's sick and he died because people like you don't wear their masks. Right. And

00:18:44.940 it's like, Whoa, like we've removed the accountability of even our own health and, and we put it back on

00:18:51.280 the group. And it's interesting because I honestly feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, like I know someone

00:18:56.820 right now that like they kind of have this mentality and, and their, and their wife goes, is a teacher

00:19:03.080 and they feel like her life is at risk. Like that's their perception. And I'm like, quit your job.

00:19:09.020 Like if I honestly believed that I could die right by my profession, I wouldn't go.

00:19:16.660 And if, and if I was really like truly at risk, trust me, I wouldn't be wearing a lame little like

00:19:23.680 cloth mask and still going out to dinner and dining and going to the grocery store. Right. Like I would

00:19:29.920 take the necessary precautions to like really honestly protect myself and my loved ones. If I

00:19:35.760 was really, really concerned about it now. Yeah. But I don't do those things. Right. Let me give you the

00:19:40.320 other side of that one though. Cause I see where you're coming from and I happen to lean more towards

00:19:44.180 what you're saying, but let's explore the other side for a minute. If you're a school teacher and

00:19:48.820 you believe that I think you have a right to fight for, Hey, this is our health. I think you have a

00:19:55.100 right to fight for your profession. Now I don't think based on the data and everything I've seen

00:19:59.780 that school teachers are at some, some immense level of risk because children just are getting

00:20:04.400 COVID and they're not passing it by, by the metrics and the data and the research that I've seen.

00:20:09.880 But if you believe that's the case, I don't think you have to acquiesce just because it's like,

00:20:14.760 we'll go find a new job. That's the, that kind of falls into the same line of like,

00:20:18.540 Oh, you don't like this country. Get the hell out of here. I've never been that kind of guy. I'm like,

00:20:21.860 you don't like this country. Then work through the proper channels to affect the change that you'd

00:20:27.060 like to see. Yeah. But that's still a sense of, that's still a sense of ownership saying, Hey,

00:20:31.880 I don't like this. So I'm going to do something. So whether it's, whether it's fighting for it or

00:20:37.260 whatever, that's, I think we're still in line. Like I, I agree with that as well. But what I,

00:20:42.840 what I'm saying is too many people will just toe in line and then blame others for if something

00:20:49.920 happens to them. You know what I mean? But they're not willing to fight. They're not willing to adjust.

00:20:54.760 And then if they get sick, it's like, okay, well, it's everyone else's fault. It's just an

00:20:58.380 interesting approach that kind of naturally happens whenever we tackle something from a social way

00:21:04.300 where we then immediately look to like blame others if it happens.

00:21:08.740 Yeah. I mean, a great example of that is when people go to the store and they're like, I can't,

00:21:13.700 you know, they're, they're getting this person's face and they're like, I can't believe you're not

00:21:16.300 wearing a mask. It's like, well, two things here. Number one, I'm over here in the cheese aisle,

00:21:21.940 minding my own business. And you deliberately walked 30 yards to come over and get in my space.

00:21:28.020 Who's the greater threat? You are just get out of my freaking face and go on about getting your

00:21:34.180 milk or chips or whatever it is you're after. And let me just get my cheese here.

00:21:38.500 Okay. So that's one. Number two is if you have a serious concern about being out in public and you

00:21:43.940 think there's a serious health threat, don't go out in public. Like you said, just don't go out.

00:21:49.780 If you're worried about getting sick, I can respect that as your life. If that's a concern of yours,

00:21:56.620 then just don't go out, limit your, limit your outings or have somebody else go out for you or

00:22:03.840 order it online. My wife does the, uh, the, the Walmart online order. She doesn't have to interact

00:22:09.800 with anybody. She just punches in a thing and she says, Hey, I'm going to be here at this time. And

00:22:13.480 they say, great, we'll have your food ready. And she pulls into the Walmart parking lot and they have

00:22:18.860 like a limitless or, uh, what do they call it? A, uh, I don't know, like, like a no touch thing.

00:22:25.700 I don't know, whatever, like a contactless thing is what they have. And she pops her trunk and they

00:22:31.460 load it in. And then she says, thanks. And off she goes. Like there's options there. You don't run.

00:22:37.440 You have to go into the get. No, you don't. You don't have to go in there. And it's not anybody's

00:22:43.380 obligation to make you feel better about your life and your choices and your level of risk that

00:22:50.940 you're willing to assume. Because every time I get in my vehicle, forget about COVID for a second.

00:22:55.820 There's a risk, you know, there's a risk I could pull out of my driveway and somebody could T-bone

00:22:59.980 me or I could T-bone somebody else and we could both die. And that's a risk. And it's also a risk.

00:23:05.920 I'm willing to assume. This is why I get so sick of hearing people say, Oh, so you're willing to have

00:23:10.580 people die. You're, you're, you're okay with people dying. Well, yeah, I am like, whether you

00:23:18.700 acknowledge it or not, every time you get behind the vehicle of your, or the, the, the wheel of your

00:23:23.540 vehicle, you are saying that you are okay with some people dying for the opportunity to drive on the

00:23:33.020 roads. Yeah. You do it with your teenage kids. The minute you give that key to your teenage kid,

00:23:38.580 you are saying I'm okay with him assuming the risk of death. That's what it is. Whether you

00:23:44.480 acknowledge it or not, it's there. And people are like, Oh, well, what level of, of risk is acceptable?

00:23:50.420 That's actually a really good question. We need to figure that out to collectively.

00:23:55.920 So when we talk about, for example, opening the economy, well, I, you're going to, people are going

00:24:01.420 to die. Yes. Yes. True. True. That's going to happen. We need to collectively decide what level

00:24:12.680 of risk we're willing to assume in exchange for opening the economy back up. Oh, I can't believe

00:24:19.360 Ryan, you would talk about this. I can't believe you're okay with people dying. So are you? I just

00:24:25.540 happened to acknowledge it. You aren't acknowledging it. Every time you get in your car, every time you're

00:24:31.860 out in public, every time you sneeze, whether you have COVID or not, you're putting yourself and other

00:24:37.420 people at risk and you're willing to do it because whatever activity you're engaged in is more important

00:24:43.560 than the risk that you're assuming. Just acknowledge it. Now I don't want kids to die. I don't want grandma

00:24:49.900 and grandpa to die, but I realized some of that's going to happen. So here's an idea. Let's mitigate

00:24:55.040 some of that risk. Those people with some health issues, those are our elderly community. And by the

00:25:01.700 way, they have a responsibility too, just because they're at risk. And just because they're elderly

00:25:06.860 doesn't absolve them of any personal responsibility. If I'm in my sixties, seventies, maybe even eighties,

00:25:14.160 I think half the average medium. And I heard this and I'll have to look into it exact to find out

00:25:19.800 exactly what the number is. But if I remember correctly, the medium of, or the average age

00:25:25.480 for those who have died of COVID is 80 plus years old. So if I'm over 80, then yeah, I'm going to be

00:25:34.060 a little bit more careful than I am at age 39, but that's personal responsibility. If I have diabetes

00:25:41.700 or some sort of autoimmune deficiency or disease illness, or, or my lungs are already compromised

00:25:49.100 because I happen to be a smoker, for example, then I have a personal responsibility to limit my

00:25:56.780 interaction with other individuals. And it isn't fair that you Kip, who might be healthy, who might

00:26:03.100 have taken care of their themselves, their entire lives to say, well, because I'm unhealthy, you have

00:26:09.160 to do all these things. Now we can exercise a little common courtesy. I believe in that. I believe

00:26:14.940 social distancing. I'm not a huge, obviously mask advocate. I think if you want to wear a mask,

00:26:20.940 great. If, if a store is requiring you to wear a mask, then maybe you ought to do that or just don't

00:26:28.620 patronize that store if you really don't want to at all. But I think a store has a right to tell you,

00:26:33.360 Hey, you have to wear a mask. Just like a store has a right to say, they're right. You have to have

00:26:37.100 shoes on. When you come into the store, you have to have a shirt on, no shirt, no shirt, no shoes,

00:26:41.580 no service. Like, I don't believe that people are trying to like take away our liberties because

00:26:46.180 they're asking us to wear a mask. It goes well beyond that. Yeah. I don't know. We're getting

00:26:51.740 off on tangents here, but, but the idea is personal responsibility, right? Just, just be responsible

00:26:56.420 for yourself. Yeah. Regardless of what other people do. All right. This is one of those parts where you

00:27:04.460 can't stop. And the second question or whatever we're on. Yeah. No, it's literally the second

00:27:11.700 Stephen Zeller. Have you read the essay fate of empires by Sir John Glubb? And do you see the

00:27:17.640 countless parallels to the American empire today? I don't know. I haven't read it. Dang. All right.

00:27:23.600 Gavin Lynch, favorite passage. Yeah. See now we're, we're picking back up. Steve favorite, uh,

00:27:30.960 Gavin Lynch, favorite passage in the Bible. People ask me this a lot and really, yeah. And I wish that

00:27:40.020 I read the Bible more than I do. I'm, I'm a, uh, I'm a God fearing, you know, believer,

00:27:49.060 but, uh, I don't read the Bible as much as I would like, but so I don't know the verse. You can look it

00:27:56.200 up. Some of you guys probably haven't memorized. I don't, I've got a couple things memorized. Like,

00:28:03.020 uh, one of the ones I remember is Romans Romans 3 16. Uh, I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ.

00:28:08.920 I'm not ashamed of him. Right. Uh, but the one that I really like is, is in scriptures where they

00:28:14.500 talk about faith without works. I mean, that's, that's a crucial component of my life. Like I've

00:28:18.560 incorporated that and adopted that as part of my life that faith without works is dead. You know,

00:28:24.660 in fact, it's not faith if you're not willing to put forth the effort. So I hear these people talk

00:28:29.480 about faith. It's not faith. They talk about, Oh, you're just saved. If you take upon his name.

00:28:34.540 Well, yeah. Okay. Well, what is taking upon his name mean? Does that mean you just believe

00:28:39.200 or does that mean you act in his name? And I think it's the latter. You act in his name,

00:28:44.760 that there's some action behind your words, because if you go out and you get shit faced and you're

00:28:49.920 violent and you screw everybody over at every opportunity you can, and you say, but I believe in

00:28:54.420 God, yeah, I think you're missing a critical component of that. And people fight me on that.

00:28:59.680 Actually. Nope. Nope. You've been saved. You you've been saved. All of your sins have been. Oh,

00:29:06.300 great. I, I believe that all of my sins have been paid for, but I'm not really willing to stack them

00:29:11.120 up just because they've already been paid for. Like, I still feel like I have some sort of, you know,

00:29:17.580 obligation to attempt to make good decisions, even though all of my sins have been paid for

00:29:23.120 through Christ's blood already. Like, don't I still, does that mean that I get a free pass?

00:29:30.380 I don't think so. Cause he knows our heart. Right. And I think that's a greater sin is to say,

00:29:36.980 oh, you know, I'll repent or, ah, Christ already taken upon my sins. So like, I can go out and do

00:29:42.100 this. No big deal. That's fine. It's already been paid for. Come on. You can't honestly believe

00:29:47.460 that, but that goes back to the personal responsibility thing. Right. It's like, oh man,

00:29:52.260 all my sins have been paid for. So like, I can do whatever the hell I want. Okay. See how that works

00:29:58.680 out for you. I choose to not only believe in God and Christ, but I choose to attempt. I fall short

00:30:07.760 all the time, but attempt to make righteous decisions. And that to me is a requirement.

00:30:14.880 Yeah. Not that you get it perfect. Not that you get it right all the time, but you attempt

00:30:18.400 to do the best that you can. Yeah. All right. Nick Larson, not having grown up around guns,

00:30:25.980 I plan on purchasing my first handgun. I'm going to, uh, to the range to get my concealed carry permit

00:30:31.160 this week. Besides listening to my instructors and practicing law, do you have any personal advice

00:30:36.140 for a new gun owner besides the obvious and talks about muzzle control, et cetera?

00:30:42.740 Oh, and any favorite brands? Uh, I'll get to the favorite brands in a second. No, I don't

00:30:47.760 do that. Like that's, that's the answer. Listen to your instructor, uh, learn the firearm safety

00:30:54.220 rules, obviously secure your firearm, have it accessible, but secure it away from your children.

00:31:00.580 And in fact, I would say not only secure it from your children, actually familiarize them with it.

00:31:06.740 Right. Because if it's some weird, like mysterious thing that dad does, they're going to be more

00:31:12.020 curious about it. So take away the curiosity and say, all right, look, this is a powerful thing.

00:31:16.540 Now I'm not going to put my six-year-old behind a pistol, but my 12-year-old, yeah, I'll put them

00:31:22.720 behind a pistol. He'll be able to handle it. Whether it's a 22 or you get up to a nine millimeter,

00:31:26.520 45, bigger calibers. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll get him behind that because I want him to know

00:31:32.240 the gravity of the situation in which he's dealing with. There's, there's a bang, there's

00:31:38.400 a noise, there's a smell, there's a, a reaction. I want him to experience all of that. See,

00:31:43.540 this is not a super soaker bud. Yeah. Our super soaker is a thing anymore. I don't know.

00:31:51.080 You may have dated us. No, most of the men here know what, know what the heck a super soaker is.

00:31:55.980 Yeah. And I want him to know it. I want him to feel it and say, look, this is not a toy, right?

00:32:00.140 It's a tool. It's a tool for producing some sort of outcome, some sort of desired effect.

00:32:08.340 And so you don't need to be flaunting this around. You don't need to be playing. You felt it. There's

00:32:13.060 a bang, there's a noise, there's a smell, there's a feel like, is that, does that seem like a toy

00:32:17.720 to you? No, good. That's the respect you should have for it. So I take away that curiosity. But you

00:32:24.100 know, sometimes the answer, you already know the answer. And in this case, the answer is listen to

00:32:27.340 your instructor, learn the firearm safety rules, train with, with your firearm under some supervision

00:32:33.700 and some instruction. And that's the answer. You have the answer. Favorite, favorite manufacturers.

00:32:42.220 I mean, I like Glock. I carry a Glock 43 is what I carry. For some, my hands are kind of small,

00:32:48.380 so it fits my hands really well. For some guys, if you have bigger hands, you know, the Glock 43,

00:32:53.860 might, it might just feel a little small, like your hand just might grab all the way around it.

00:32:59.460 So maybe you go with a 17 or 19. But yeah, I like Glock personally, but experiment with a lot of

00:33:05.340 different ones. Go to the range, talk to your instructor. It's not about what's cool. It's not

00:33:09.560 about, you know, what, what makes you look good. It's about what, what feels right in your hand,

00:33:13.840 what fires well, what you work well with the ergonomics of the way that it fits your hand is

00:33:18.480 very important. For me, the Glock doesn't. For you, it might be something else.

00:33:23.480 There's in some ranges will actually let you go down there, pay a flat cost and then shoot

00:33:28.760 like all their brands. And so that's a really great way to try to get your hands on different

00:33:33.900 brands and, and grips and whatnot to figure out what's most comfortable. I would say it's like,

00:33:39.820 it's all hearsay, right? How do you know? It's like, yeah, Glock could be really popular. And

00:33:44.220 then once you shoot it, you're like, oh man, that just doesn't feel right. And maybe the next D or

00:33:47.880 something else feels greater. So, yeah. And if it doesn't feel right, then don't force it. It's

00:33:52.320 like, it doesn't, it just feels weird. Okay. Well, it doesn't fit your hand. Um, the other thing is

00:33:59.100 let go of the ego, right? Like just if, if you're a new firearm owner or aspiring owner, I should say,

00:34:07.120 go into the, the, the gun shop or go into the range and just tell them that. Yeah. It's okay.

00:34:15.500 But if you go in there, you know, like you have a big swinging dick and you think that, you know,

00:34:19.840 you're, and you're going to fool everybody or like, just tell them it's okay. Like nobody thinks less

00:34:26.560 of you. In fact, they're going to welcome you with open arms to the club and be like, oh, cool.

00:34:29.720 And everybody's going to talk with you and be excited to teach you.

00:34:33.420 Yeah. Totally. Don't be an asshole and pretend that you know more than you do. Just say, guys,

00:34:39.040 I don't, I don't know what I'm doing. Can you help me? And it feels stupid. Cause we're not as

00:34:42.860 guys, like we're supposed to figure it out. Well, you don't know. Yeah. Like, how would you know if

00:34:47.520 you don't know? So just say it, it's the same thing when you go to the jujitsu is like, I watched

00:34:51.960 a couple of videos over the weekend of guys going in there like, yeah, I'm a purple belt. And then the,

00:34:55.400 the instructor just worked them over, you know? And it's like, yeah. And the, and the guy was

00:34:59.540 actually the instructor I watched on one video is very gracious. He says,

00:35:02.260 come on, man. She's straight with me. Are you really a purple belt? No, I know. He's like,

00:35:08.920 I'll tell you what, keep rolling with me. And the instructor kept rolling with them.

00:35:12.560 And he was really good. He was, he seemed from, from what I saw in the video, it seemed to be a

00:35:16.680 really gracious and good instructor. And then he invited him. He's like, Hey man, I'll give you a

00:35:20.400 week of free classes or whatever. Like, you know, so he could have, he could have made him feel stupid,

00:35:25.720 but I, I don't think people want to do that. I think we want to help, right? Like his men is like,

00:35:29.940 if I see somebody who's struggling or somebody who's new, I'm like, yeah, I want to help you.

00:35:34.400 That's how most people are. But if you're an asshole, then nobody wants to help you. They

00:35:38.440 want to destroy you. So just, they want to, they want to help humble you. Right. So just go in there

00:35:45.020 and say, look, I'm, I got to admit I've never owned a firearm before. I see the importance of it.

00:35:51.840 I know a lot of guys who own firearms. I know nothing. Can you help me? And he will help you.

00:35:57.560 I promise. And he will be excited to do it. He won't think any less of you. So just, just own

00:36:01.840 that. It's okay. It's really okay. And just to share an example of, you know, having your kids

00:36:07.200 shoot firearms. I've had this happen where my boys, when they're younger, the first time they

00:36:12.160 shot my handgun, they were all about it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Let's shoot your handgun. They both shot one

00:36:17.240 around and they're like, yeah, I'm good. They're like, no, I don't, I don't feel comfortable.

00:36:22.720 Right. They had no idea. Like they could even watch me shoot and they had no idea until they

00:36:28.060 actually shot around. They were like, okay, that was kind of scary. Right. Like that was really

00:36:33.900 powerful. Like it made them nervous and it, it kind of rightfully so. Yeah. They should understand

00:36:40.200 what, what that means to pull that trigger a little bit. So yeah. If you're, if you're feeling

00:36:44.520 flippant and lighthearted about it, or you have a child who is, it'd be like,

00:36:48.500 probably not mature enough yet. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Mark, uh, La Perry, I would like to know

00:36:56.280 how your spring wild Turkey hunting experience was and what you learned this spring about hunting

00:37:00.480 turkeys. It was horrible. No, it was awesome. Turkeys are assholes too. It was awesome. Actually.

00:37:10.900 Um, I didn't harvest or kill a Turkey. My son didn't either. Did you get a chance? Did you see

00:37:17.460 any or nothing? And then when Stevenson was over, we've got like 30 turkeys. We've got three hens,

00:37:25.440 a couple of Toms. I think there's two J's all over the property, all over the place. That's funny.

00:37:32.360 Um, you know, the best part about it was I was outside, I was hanging out with my kid.

00:37:36.920 We had a good time. We were way louder than we should have been. We were laughing at each other

00:37:41.820 and how bad we were at calling, but it was awesome, but we didn't kill a Turkey. Uh, so fall,

00:37:48.880 you know, hopefully fall, we put a food plot in. We've seen a lot of Turkey around the property.

00:37:53.000 Uh, my wife actually, you can bait Turkey on your, you can't. Okay. No, we have a food plot. So it's

00:38:00.040 technically agricultural. It's a, it's a space of land that you, that you plant with a

00:38:06.760 specific grass or, or some sort of plant that draws in the wildlife, but it's, it's agriculture.

00:38:14.720 Yeah. Technically is that's what it is. Copy. So that's, that's acceptable, but you can't

00:38:18.680 bait them other than that. Uh, so my wife went and sat with my son. In fact, he did shoot a coyote

00:38:24.600 while he was out there. He was out at like 20 yards with his four 10. Awesome. Uh, so he was out

00:38:32.940 there and this is the day that my wife went out. I didn't go out with him this day, but my wife went

00:38:36.720 out with him and they were sitting there and all of a sudden they heard this rustling in this coyote

00:38:40.500 ran across their path. And like, that was weird. Cause they put the decoys out and everything.

00:38:45.860 And then, so my son got his, you know, it's four 10 ready. And then another one ran by and like

00:38:53.340 my son, I don't know. Let's see. I'm trying to think about, oh, he switched it off to safe.

00:38:58.820 That's what he did. He switched it off a safe and the coyote heard and stopped and looked and he

00:39:02.160 blasted them. And, uh, so, but it's a four 10. So they tracked him for a while. And unfortunately

00:39:09.200 they never could find the thing, but my neighbor said he saw it a couple of days later and it was

00:39:14.240 just, it was mangled. So it probably died. Um, but my son then went with a friend who lives several

00:39:21.480 miles away and they had a couple of chances at Turkey, but never could seal the deal. Uh, but they did

00:39:28.000 see a moose. That was really cool for my son. So a lot of cool experiences. Although ultimately we

00:39:33.480 didn't, uh, we didn't see the deal. Yeah. It's like my last deer hunt. The only deer I saw was in the

00:39:40.380 back of other people's trucks on my way. Exactly. Exactly. Yep. But it's still fun being out there

00:39:46.740 and doing the thing. And I, I kind of feel like it's just, you got to put in your dues, you know,

00:39:52.100 like I had a buddy who shot a really nice buck last year, like really nice. And I want to say

00:39:59.260 he was roughly 300 yards away and he was in his own yard and he went outside and saw this buck and

00:40:05.120 he like walked down and shot it and like just worked like that. And he's like, Oh, I can't believe this

00:40:11.800 happened. But he's also been hunting for probably 20 years and he sat in the stands and he's hiked and

00:40:18.160 he's done everything for 20 years. And then one day it just happens to come together. And so you

00:40:23.300 just got to put in your dues and the more it's just a time thing. The more you're out there, the more

00:40:27.160 you're doing it, the more you learn and the more opportunities that will eventually present

00:40:30.280 themselves. And then when they do, you capitalize on it. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if I could

00:40:34.320 hit something from 300 yards. Yeah. It's, uh, it's tough. Some of these guys, man, holy cow. I mean,

00:40:40.000 shooting out five, six, 700 yards. Like that's crazy. It's a good shot. Yeah. Pretty awesome. All right.

00:40:45.840 James Lay. How do you like Dave Ramsey and his approach to financial wellness?

00:40:51.900 I think he's got a lot of great stuff. I mean, there's no doubt that he's helped

00:40:55.340 literally millions of individuals pay off debt and, and get their budgets in line,

00:41:01.680 start investing, start, start making the good, the good choices regarding their finances. I think

00:41:07.240 he's a little misguided, quite a bit misguided when it comes to the stock market. And that comes

00:41:12.140 from somebody who's had a lot of training and I'm not up to date. So I won't say that,

00:41:16.340 but had in the past, a lot of training about how the stock market works and how funds and investments

00:41:21.000 work. Uh, and I had a legal obligation to be studied and researched and trained and then do

00:41:28.020 what was in my client's best interest. Unfortunately with Dave Ramsey, he can talk about whatever he

00:41:33.580 wants. And because he doesn't have these licenses, he isn't under the same level of scrutiny that a lot

00:41:39.180 of these financial professionals are. So when it comes to debt, when it comes to cashflow and some

00:41:44.320 of these basic principles and understanding about how much to put away and things like that,

00:41:47.980 I think he's got some great stuff. Uh, but he's not a fiduciary. He doesn't have a license as far

00:41:54.660 as I know. And so he isn't held to the same standard as some of these financial professionals are,

00:42:00.460 which allows them to make some misguided recommendations specifically with the stock market.

00:42:05.160 And if you're doing your planning, for example, and I haven't followed him for a long time,

00:42:09.000 so I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt. But if you're doing your financial planning based on

00:42:13.580 your mutual fund, getting 8% or more, which I've actually heard him say year in and year out,

00:42:19.880 that's not a good, that's not a good way to approach your money because you're not going to get 8%

00:42:26.600 compounding every single year. Maybe it averages out before fees, but if you're basing your portfolio or

00:42:33.840 your financial plan on 8% and really what you're realizing is three and a half, well, you can see

00:42:38.420 you're going to fall significantly short of your goals and objectives. So like anything, even the

00:42:43.600 things I'm saying here, take it all with a grain of salt, get as much information as you can try to

00:42:47.920 be as objective as possible, especially when it comes to your money and get those emotions out of

00:42:51.620 the way. But generally I think he's got some good ideas and I think he's helped millions of people.

00:42:55.640 I just think there's some other areas, some more advanced areas where he might be a little

00:42:59.460 misguided. Yeah. Do you think, what do you think about the economy? I'm so torn. You, you, you know,

00:43:10.020 all these companies, people don't have work. We have this whole stimulus thing, but the economy

00:43:14.840 seems to be unaffected yet. I'm just curious. I mean, it might be lagging a little bit. I'm like,

00:43:20.540 I'm waiting for stuff to go crashing down, which by the way, I'm, I'm, the reason why I bring it up

00:43:26.140 is because I'm like, it's probably a great time to be thinking about buying. Right. And so I'm,

00:43:31.300 I'm waiting for stuff to come tumbling a little bit, but. Well, so I believe in efficient markets.

00:43:37.160 So if you've done any, any research at all with a stock market, you'd understand what that term is,

00:43:42.400 but essentially what it means is that the market is priced exactly where it needs to be.

00:43:46.700 And individual stocks are priced exactly where they need to be. Because if like, for example,

00:43:53.040 I'll say it this way, there isn't a, there isn't a stock that's underpriced.

00:43:58.320 Yeah. It's, it's priced based upon what people are willing to pay. And if they're willing to pay,

00:44:02.700 then that's what the market is. Right. Right. That's why you can't complain about homes,

00:44:06.620 for instance. Yeah, exactly. So people will say, oh, this is underpriced right now.

00:44:11.640 Or I know some information about this particular. Well, if you know it, everybody else knows it. And if

00:44:16.720 everybody else knows it, otherwise it's illegal by the way, but if everybody else knows it,

00:44:20.480 then that's what Martha Stewart went to jail for. But our congressmen don't, that's a whole other

00:44:25.220 story. And if everybody knows it, then that information you're, you think, you know, is

00:44:30.780 already priced into the stock. It's already, it's already factored into the equation. So you're not

00:44:37.040 getting it on a deal. Now I will say generally that things are cyclical. And if the market generally

00:44:42.700 is trending downwards, then that's a pretty good opportunity there could at least represent an

00:44:48.000 opportunity to, to get into the market while things are low. And then hopefully they appreciate

00:44:54.800 and they grow. And, and then you can realize some of that growth. It, but again, portfolios are very

00:45:01.480 interesting because let's say you had a portfolio, an investment portfolio of, we'll just use $200,000.

00:45:09.360 So people say, Oh, I have $200,000. No, you don't. You have a digital piece of paper that says that

00:45:17.400 your share of the company is worth currently today, as of right now, $200,000. And you really actually

00:45:25.140 don't have $200,000 until you sell it for $200,000. It's just an arbitrary number. It's a placeholder

00:45:34.600 until you're ready to sell it. So when we had that big crash in 2008, 2009, people asked Warren

00:45:40.660 Buffett, well, how much did you lose in the stock market? He said, I didn't lose anything. Cause I

00:45:44.500 haven't sold any of my stocks. Same thing with real estate. Oh, I lost 40% of the value in my real

00:45:51.740 estate. No, unless you sold it. Yeah. But if you just held onto it and I had real estate, we had a

00:45:59.080 home that was worth roughly $250,000 at the time. And if I remember correctly, the last value,

00:46:06.600 the lowest value I saw it go to was about one 80, one 85. And so I'm like, Oh, I lost $50,000. No,

00:46:12.600 we didn't sell it. And now it's back. It's worth more than what we originally paid for it. And,

00:46:18.360 and by the way, it's actually not worth that much because we haven't sold it.

00:46:23.760 Yeah. So we got to be very careful of getting wrapped into like how much money we have in the

00:46:27.180 market. You don't have any money in the market until you sell it. Yeah. These are things that

00:46:34.300 people get worked up in because of fear and greed, the emotions that keep you from making good

00:46:40.340 financial decisions. Yeah. Which I've heard you say in the past is like, that's when everyone's

00:46:45.640 Achilles heel is constantly checking on it. And you know what I mean? Trying to get emotionally tied in,

00:46:51.560 just leave it alone and let it work itself out. Make smart, rational decisions and

00:46:57.120 let it run its course and work your plan. Don't be discouraged or dissuade by outside circumstances

00:47:03.940 and events. The market will go up and it will go down. And then here's my prediction of what the

00:47:09.260 market, because you were asking me what I think the market's going to do. I think it's going to go

00:47:13.220 back up. And then I think it's going to go down. And then I think it's going to go up. And then I

00:47:19.360 think it's going to go down. That's my prediction. I don't know what it's going to happen. I don't know

00:47:23.940 what it's going to go up and down to, but my prediction is that's what's going to happen.

00:47:27.020 Because that's what it always does through the last, however long. Yeah.

00:47:30.600 That's what the market does.

00:47:32.640 All right. Spencer Hancock, what are your top three check-in points during weekly family council?

00:47:38.840 Well, we do it daily actually. I'm just writing some notes down here. So yeah. Yeah. No worries.

00:47:44.440 Uh, we do. You're like, that was some solid stuff. I'm going to put an Instagram post of

00:47:49.400 market's going to go up or that market's going to go down. Um, all right. So what my weekly check-in

00:47:57.440 points, is that what he said? Yeah. Kind of like three check-in points during your family council.

00:48:01.840 Like, I don't know, key things that you always cover. Yeah. So we do it daily. One of the things

00:48:06.500 is, uh, night or morning. I can't remember you do mornings, huh? We do mornings, but then we also do

00:48:12.380 in the evening. We do kind of loosely. And that's one of the things I was going to allude to here in

00:48:15.500 a second is that we do, we do these types of things at dinner. So dinner, isn't just like

00:48:19.560 eating it's let's converse. Let's talk about our day. So one thing that I ask all of my,

00:48:24.520 my kids, and then my kids ask my wife and I is what was your favorite part about today?

00:48:29.200 Yeah. That's actually a really fun thing. Cause we get to know, okay, they enjoy this and they like

00:48:32.980 this. And then we can do more of that. And that's, that's important for us. Um, one thing that we

00:48:38.880 don't like check in on, but that I'm keenly aware of is what is the mental health of my children right

00:48:43.620 now? Like, I really want to be aware. Like what, like my son, he seems off today. What's going on?

00:48:48.620 Is he tired? Is, is he upset about something? So like, I'm, I try to tap into the mental status

00:48:55.800 of where they are on a day by day basis. And even more frequently than that, if something's

00:49:00.440 bothering my kids and conversely, if some, if they're really excited about something,

00:49:05.380 I don't dismiss that either. I'm like, man, he's really, he's having a good day. What's up?

00:49:08.880 I want to know what's why. Cause I want to replicate that. So again, it's a, it's what's

00:49:15.480 the best part of your day. That's checking in the evening. Uh, it's just the mental status.

00:49:21.100 And then I really focus on growth for them. Like, what is it that they're doing to push

00:49:26.060 themselves outside of their comfort zone? What are they learning? How are they expanding?

00:49:30.360 How are they putting themselves under pressure? Like, what is it that they're doing to expand

00:49:34.680 their capabilities, mental, emotional, physical capabilities? I would say those are

00:49:38.860 the three most pressing things for us. Okay. And does morning is, how does that,

00:49:45.740 does that differ dinner versus morning or morning is more like, what do we have going on today?

00:49:52.380 Yeah. Like schedules, double checking. Let's all get on the same page. Where are you at? Okay. What

00:49:57.320 Trish, what are you doing? What kid needs to be where, what activities do we have going on? Like my wife

00:50:03.160 took my three, excuse me, my four kids. Holy cow. My four kids. I like did a four year rewind right

00:50:10.340 there. My four, the other day I told someone I had, I had, uh, what did I say? I'd like, um,

00:50:18.260 did I say seven kids or something? I'm like, actually I don't have seven kids. I have six.

00:50:24.680 Exactly. But it's hard to keep track. It was super funny. I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah.

00:50:28.280 Whatever. Yeah. Sorry. Just add an extra one in there every once in a while.

00:50:30.820 Just depending on the attitude. You add one, you take one away.

00:50:35.560 Today I have three kids. I average six, you know, sometimes it's four, sometimes it's eight,

00:50:40.640 but I, you know, there's always around six kids around here. I at least have six that I know of. Yeah.

00:50:48.040 Uh, what were you talking about? I can't remember what I was saying.

00:50:53.560 You're talking about, uh, your check-in points in the morning schedules. Yeah.

00:50:58.440 Yeah. Sorry. Maybe I'll come back to it.

00:51:03.480 It was going to be really, really profound. Let's hit stop and hit record. Yeah. All right.

00:51:09.680 What was I saying? I said, okay, I've got my four kids. Oh, my wife, I got it. My wife took

00:51:14.440 my, uh, four kids to the beach yesterday. And so, you know, we wanted to get on the same page,

00:51:19.920 you know, they left around two, three o'clock. They didn't get home till eight 30,

00:51:23.080 which happened to work out just fine in this instance, because last night I trained. So that

00:51:28.360 was good. I got home about seven 30, seven 45. Didn't cut into anybody's day. Their activities

00:51:33.780 didn't cut into mine. Like it was good, but we got on the same page and that's what the morning

00:51:37.420 routine is about. Got it. Got it. All right. Justin Herzl suggestions for those of us who are

00:51:43.820 impromptu homeschoolers, but still working full-time from home. It seems that the school system still

00:51:48.680 expect the students to take on a full workload without having a full-time instructor to manage it.

00:51:53.500 Well, so you're the, I think the way you're approaching this is you're saying, oh, they're

00:51:58.680 expecting us to do this. Like it's your job. Like that's your job. Yeah. Raise your kids.

00:52:06.300 It's not their job. Now a lot of us have outsourced that to the public school system,

00:52:11.120 which is very convenient, but it's still not their job. Okay. So, so please flip that around and say,

00:52:17.340 like, they expect us to do this. Well, your standards should be higher than theirs anyways,

00:52:20.880 but here's what I found. And I don't know how, is this Justin? Justin. Yeah. So Justin,

00:52:27.000 I don't know how far you are into the homeschooling process, but what I have found,

00:52:32.060 have you ever done homeschooling Kip? Um, I did a, for a few years when I was a kid,

00:52:37.780 but that's you personally haven't did some other kids. Okay. Actually we homeschooled, um,

00:52:42.980 one of my sons, your eighth, your seventh child, you homeschooled. Yeah. Yeah. The one,

00:52:47.640 I can't remember his name. No, we, we homeschooled one of them, uh, for a year. Yeah. Okay. So what I

00:52:54.120 found with homeschooling, and I was actually a little worried about this when we started a little

00:52:58.800 over a year ago, well, just about a year now, cause school starting up. Uh, so we've, we've been,

00:53:03.720 we've been doing it a full year now is at first the schooling only took like two to three hours,

00:53:10.920 the actual instruction schooling component of it. Yeah. And I remember talking with my wife about

00:53:18.040 this saying, are they getting right? Yeah. I was like, are they, cause they're at school for what?

00:53:24.140 Six, seven, eight hours a day. Yep. So I'm like, are they, are they getting the same? And she's like,

00:53:31.680 yes, believe it or not, they are. In fact, they might be getting a little bit more

00:53:35.240 because they're getting individualized attention. It's hyper-focused. And I say this with all due

00:53:41.440 respect, we're not waiting on slow kids. Yeah. There's no, there's no, you know, no child left

00:53:47.700 behind. Yeah. Right. You're teaching at the level by which your kid can learn, not someone else's.

00:53:52.420 Yeah. Right. And so my six-year-old can be doing her thing while my 12-year-old is doing this other

00:53:58.100 thing. And then the nine-year-old is doing this and the four-year-old's coloring. Right. So

00:54:01.500 everybody's doing different things, but it's all overlapping. And so it's very, there's no

00:54:07.820 recess. There's no potty breaks. There's no nap time. It's just like, just hyper-focused for two

00:54:14.740 to three hours. And then we'll go outside or we'll play or we'll explore. One of the very first weeks

00:54:19.880 that we were homeschooling, I remember my wife took the kids out and they found a frog and they found a

00:54:26.340 toad outside in a little riverbed. And so they brought it in and those were the mascots for

00:54:31.480 a couple of days until we let them go a couple of days later. And then I looked in the classroom

00:54:36.920 the next day and my wife had printed out an assignment on the difference between toads and

00:54:40.920 frogs and the anatomy and all this stuff. It's hyper, hyper efficient. So we think that we need to spend

00:54:48.320 six, seven, eight hours a day. No, it's going to take you two to three because the other five hours

00:54:55.780 is all babysitting at school. Yeah. It's recess. It's, it's, uh, assemblies it's dare programs.

00:55:04.960 If they even do that anymore, it's going from classroom to classroom. It's waiting on the slow

00:55:10.880 kids. Cause they can't get it for whatever reason. All of that time is, is just burned up with those

00:55:17.740 activities. And really they're only learning for two to three hours. So you'll, you'll find that it's,

00:55:22.780 it's much more efficient and effective. So get that done and then enjoy your guys themselves.

00:55:28.800 Like just enjoy it. Just be together. Enjoy your time. My, my two sons, my oldest sons,

00:55:34.960 they helped me in the store. They're, they're doing math. They're learning about fulfilling orders.

00:55:39.640 They're learning about communicating with people. When, when we, when we screw up, they're learning

00:55:43.540 the consequences of screwing up because they have to pay for it. Cause I pay them per package. And if

00:55:48.320 they mess up, it's like, well, I'm not going to pay you for that package. Like you messed it up.

00:55:52.720 Like, why would I pay you for messing up? And they're like, oh, I guess we better not mess up.

00:55:57.580 Right. Exactly. Cause you actually owe me money back. If I get an order back in the mail, I'm like,

00:56:02.720 well, you owe me a dollar. Cause you got that one wrong. Like, oh, that's the deal. Like, so they're

00:56:09.360 learning a lot of different things just through our interaction and our daily, daily experiences in life

00:56:14.820 together. Do you think that you and your wife will get to a point where you feel like, Hey, we, I can't

00:56:21.440 teach them this level of math. Cause I don't know well enough or anything like that. No, this is one

00:56:29.000 argument that I hear from people all the time about homeschooling. I'm going to leave the teaching to

00:56:34.700 the professionals. You're a freaking parent. You're the professional. You're the kid's parent.

00:56:40.600 Yeah. Like you don't think you can do as good a job as a school teacher. And I'm, by the way,

00:56:46.520 I'm not a dimension. You can, I promise you, you can. No, no, no, no, no, stop. Full stop.

00:56:58.980 No, no, you can do it. I promise you, you can do it. Your, your, your teacher didn't take trig either.

00:57:09.720 That's probably true. Huh? Okay. Your, your, your teacher didn't this, your kid's teacher didn't do

00:57:16.740 all the things they like, they went through it when they were eight, just like you did. That's it.

00:57:22.000 They're learning how to administer a textbook. And again, I want to be very clear because I know

00:57:28.460 there's school teachers listening, listening. I'm not diminishing the work you do. I'm just saying

00:57:32.800 you can't do better than I can do it, but you're, you do a great job when I'm unwilling or incapable

00:57:41.520 of doing it on my own, but we're in the position. And a lot of parents are where you are willing

00:57:46.760 and able and capable, and you can do just a great, a job as a school teacher. In fact, you could do a

00:57:51.700 better job because you don't have 30 kids in your classroom. You have three or seven Kip,

00:57:57.320 like you have, and three, like I have. So you can do a better. And also, you know, your child

00:58:04.880 intimately, like my daughter, she might have some dyslexia, but she's smart. So she could trick a

00:58:15.200 teacher again, not to diminish the teacher, but she could trick a teacher who has 35 other kids to worry

00:58:21.040 about. We see it because we know her, we know she's smart. And for whatever reason, she struggles

00:58:28.660 with spelling. I'm like, what's going on here. She's not dumb. She's very intelligent. So what

00:58:34.520 does she do? She memorizes the books and she reads them. She's like reads. And I look, I'm like,

00:58:40.320 she's reading it verbatim. And my wife's like, she's not reading it. She's memorized it.

00:58:44.360 That would sneak, that would fall through the cracks with a lot of school teachers. Again,

00:58:49.980 not about the school teacher, just the amount of work. Circumstance. Yeah. They've got 30 kids in

00:58:55.640 their classroom. They've got all this. I have a close friend, Wayne and Amy McIntosh. Amy's a school

00:59:01.600 teacher. And we've talked to them quite a bit. And she's like, you know, I'm just so overwhelmed with

00:59:05.940 the workload, the volume of red tape and reports and reporting and accounting, not, not the workload

00:59:14.320 of teaching, but the workload of administering. So now you got 30 kids. You don't know these kids.

00:59:21.960 You don't know what they're being taught at home. You don't know the level of their parents'

00:59:24.560 involvement. You don't know their own capabilities or what they might individually be dealing with.

00:59:29.160 And you got 60 to 70 to 80, maybe percent of your work is wrapped up in administration and red tape

00:59:34.440 and reporting and accounting and all that stuff. And, and a parent is worried that they can't do

00:59:40.060 as good a job as a school teacher. Yeah. You got it. I promise you got it. Yeah.

00:59:48.040 And if you don't learn trig so you can teach your kid, like you can learn it. Yeah. You're not dumb

00:59:53.680 either. So figure it out. I hate that excuse. I hate that when people do, when people say that,

01:00:02.700 I hate it. Well, I'm just going to leave the teaching. It is an excuse. I'm going to leave

01:00:09.040 the teaching to the professionals. You're a parent. That's way more relevant than any other profession

01:00:16.120 out there. Don't diminish what you mean and what you bring to the table.

01:00:21.320 Yeah. No, but I do think that like, maybe we've, we've put maybe teachers up on a pedestal and think,

01:00:26.680 man, I don't know that stuff. Like I am like, honestly, not as an excuse, but really like

01:00:31.840 a concern of their ability to actually teach that concept, right. To their children. I do think

01:00:37.020 that's, I think a lot of people might think that, um, but to your point, maybe you should learn.

01:00:42.640 Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying is like, if you are saying that it's because you're being lazy.

01:00:47.680 Yeah. And not willing to step up. It's way easier to say, well, I'm going to let the professionals do

01:00:52.060 it. We're not talking about freaking brain surgery here. So I'm, I'm wondering if our numbers are on,

01:00:57.640 off on our kids. I, I, you ended up short one. So you're down to three and I went up one. So

01:01:03.100 maybe I, maybe I, uh, snagged one of your kids. Yeah. That's fine. Just as long as you took the

01:01:09.320 right one, which varies on a day-to-day basis. I was going to say, are we going to throw out names

01:01:15.920 here of, uh, no, we're not. Who's, who's moving in with uncle Kip. We're not. It's just,

01:01:21.920 just varies day to day. Hour by hour actually is more accurate. My son, my second son today,

01:01:27.080 I got home. I ran to the post office to drop some packages off and I got home and

01:01:31.480 Brecken's like, Eli's bleeding. And I'm like, what? Like, that's what he led with.

01:01:38.080 I'm like, okay, does he have a bloody nose? Did he pick a scab? Like, like, did he fall? Like,

01:01:43.020 what happened? And he's like, you know, that shark jaw that you got him? I'm like, yeah. He's like,

01:01:49.000 well, he put his foot in there and he was going to see how high he could put the shark jaw up on his

01:01:53.680 leg. And then he tripped and then it like scraped on his ankle and he was bleeding so much

01:01:59.240 everywhere. And I'm like, oh my gosh, all right, let me go look. And he has this bandaid on, you

01:02:03.860 know, and, and Brecken comes and he's like, look at the rag and there's blood all over the rag. And

01:02:07.920 it's awesome. My, my first immediate thought process was, is the blood on the floor? Did he

01:02:16.180 get on the carpet? We have wood floors, so we don't have to worry about that. Oh yeah, you're

01:02:20.160 good. Yeah, man. Just rub it in. It's like a form of stain. Yeah. Just rub some, just rub some dirt

01:02:25.700 on it and toughen up now. All right. That's funny. All right. Wayne Taylor. Hey lads, my 13 year old

01:02:32.840 son gets picked on a fair bit at school. Problem is it's a girl. I don't know if that's the problem,

01:02:37.860 but you know, my wife tells him you should tell for sure. Yeah. But well, there's more to the

01:02:43.320 problem. You could punch a little Billy in the teeth, but it's a little bit more sensitive about

01:02:46.700 punching a little Suzette or whatever in the teeth. Yeah. My wife tells him he should tell the teacher,

01:02:51.480 but I disagree. But then again, I don't know what to tell him. What are your thoughts?

01:02:56.420 I think that you should enroll him in martial arts if he's not already. And I'm not saying so he

01:03:02.780 can punch little Kim in the teeth. Although maybe, uh, cause look, if my, my oldest son actually

01:03:10.980 had that issue and this girl, she was a big gal and she was picking on him. And I said, punch her.

01:03:16.320 If she gets physical with you, punch her. Like all these women want to be treated equally.

01:03:20.280 You got it. You're going to, here's what it looks like. Yeah. Like I'm not going to instigate,

01:03:26.240 but if a woman assaulted me, I would punch her right back. And I would end it. If she assaulted me,

01:03:32.480 and I'll say it this way, let me say it this way. If I was in physical danger. Okay. If a woman

01:03:37.480 come up, came up and slapped me, you know, because I cut her off in the grocery, the line at the

01:03:42.580 grocery store or something, like I wouldn't beat the shit out of her. Okay. That's not what I'm

01:03:46.320 saying because I'm in no serious danger threat. Yeah. Right. Okay. So I need to throw that out there.

01:03:54.420 Like, I don't want somebody to like cut this snippet out. If a woman, I beat the shit out of

01:03:59.040 her. And I know people would do that. Yes. And they would cut that snippet out. So please just

01:04:04.500 put, if you're going to do that, put the full snippet in of like my disclaimer as well. Okay.

01:04:09.200 Back to the, back to the conversation. Uh, I'm not saying martial arts because he may need to defend

01:04:16.600 himself, although he might, and you would want him to be capable of being able to do that. Whether

01:04:20.900 it's little Kim or little Tim that he needs to defend himself against. Bullies don't pick on

01:04:27.860 capable, strong kids, confident kids. They pick on the weak and martial arts will develop a sense of

01:04:38.200 confidence in your son that people will see and say, that's somebody I don't want to mess with.

01:04:46.560 I know it. If you're not familiar with martial arts and you're not familiar, even with competitive

01:04:52.340 sports, it would be very hard for you to understand and wrap your head around that. But if you are,

01:04:57.320 you know exactly what I'm talking about. There's something about somebody, excuse me, whether it's

01:05:02.420 a nine-year-old or a 45-year-old who just has something about him where you're like, not going to

01:05:10.380 mess with that person. And that's what he needs. He needs that. Now, as far as telling the teacher,

01:05:18.340 yeah, I would actually say probably he should do that because that's the first line of defense.

01:05:23.620 And that's like the chain of command. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

01:05:28.040 If somebody's assaulting or messing or bullying your kid, then yeah, I think the teacher should know.

01:05:33.280 We had this issue. So I told my son, you need to let the teacher know. And he let the teacher know.

01:05:40.100 And then, and I said, if it continues, then you go up the chain of command, you let the principal

01:05:44.160 know. So he did let the principal know. In fact, I actually went and visited the principal

01:05:48.260 and I didn't get my son involved. I just said, Hey, Mr. Jolly, great guy. I actually served with

01:05:54.980 him in a church calling. And I said, look, here's what's happening. He's like, yeah, I'm actually aware

01:05:58.140 of it. And I said, well, what do you plan on doing about it? This is your responsibility to ensure

01:06:03.080 this is a space where they can learn and feel comfortable enough to learn and do what they

01:06:08.080 need to do. And we had a great conversation about it. And I just said, I want you to know

01:06:12.380 that I trust that you'll handle this. And I want you also to know that you can trust me

01:06:18.500 to raise my son in a way that he will defend himself. Just want to have that clear. Okay. I got it.

01:06:27.540 And so Brecken and I worked on training, wrestling, punching, proper punch, all that kind of stuff.

01:06:33.080 And you know, it grew out of it. She probably had a little crush on him. She was bigger than

01:06:37.520 him. He got bigger. He started to gain some more confidence and it fizzled out. Nothing

01:06:42.260 came of it, which is probably likely it's going to happen, but I think you can do both. I think,

01:06:46.160 I think you can have him work the proper chain of command, which he should, and also develop

01:06:51.440 a sense of confidence in being able to defend himself. Yeah. And that confidence comes from

01:06:56.220 training and understanding the threat as well. Right. Well, confidence comes from competence.

01:07:02.580 Yeah. So a lot of people think, well, confidence is just, some people are born with it. Some people

01:07:06.480 aren't. No, it comes from competence. You are competent in a skill. Therefore you're confident

01:07:12.940 about it. You earn that level of confidence and then it's, and then you see it, you just see it,

01:07:18.540 you feel it. You know, when somebody has that level of confidence. Yeah. Yeah. And it changes

01:07:26.300 the threat, right? Something that used to be a threat is no longer a threat. Right. And, and so

01:07:31.700 you even approach it differently, right? Like if someone is going to start a fight with me, like

01:07:35.440 in now in my life versus in my past, I would have felt threatened. You know, I would have got an

01:07:41.660 adrenaline rush and you know what I mean? Had, would have gotten like a, a rush of feelings and

01:07:47.420 emotions and not understood the threat where I think that has been drastically changed now in my

01:07:53.540 life where I wouldn't see it as much as a threat. And thus my emotional response to it is drastically

01:07:59.940 different. Right. Well, let's take a jujitsu example. You know, I S I S I've seen wrestlers come

01:08:05.900 into jujitsu and what do they do when they get in trouble? They turn their back. Yeah. They wrestle,

01:08:13.820 right? So they go flat on the ground and they put themselves flat. And then the guy takes her back

01:08:18.000 and chokes them out. Well, when they start to develop and learn the game, they realize that,

01:08:25.300 Oh, being on my back is not really a threat. In fact, I can be threatening while I'm on my back.

01:08:31.380 And so you learn it through repetition, through exposure. And then you realize, okay, well,

01:08:36.800 what was a threat is no longer a threat and I can handle this and deal with it. And then you deal

01:08:41.280 with it and it's not an issue. The other thing I was thinking about as you were saying that is,

01:08:46.120 have you ever seen those signs that people put on their house? Like I believe in the second amendment,

01:08:50.080 but my neighbor doesn't, it's funny, but it's also kind of true. It's like, look, you don't want to

01:09:03.040 mess with this house. You can go mess with somebody else, but this is not an easy target. And you,

01:09:09.840 and you don't want to make yourself that. So you don't want to make your, you don't, you want to

01:09:13.600 help your son in a way that it's like, not going to mess with him. But that little four-eyed geek over

01:09:18.860 there, I'll mess with him. It's like, you go mess with somebody else. It ain't going to be me. And

01:09:22.460 by the way, you should also teach him to stick up for the four-eyed geek. Cause that's what we do

01:09:26.320 as men, but don't make yourself the weakest link. Allow that to be somebody else.

01:09:33.940 Yeah. I like it. One more question. You good? Excuse me. Yeah. Okay. Paul Dominion. Once you

01:09:41.740 started succeeding, did you find it difficult to find close relationships outside the order of man

01:09:46.960 community? And I find this, I, I, I like this question a little bit though, Ryan, because I

01:09:52.360 think guys, I think joining the iron council, sometimes jumping in, uh, and, and joining us

01:10:02.220 in the order of man movement. Um, there, there, there's some transformation happening, right?

01:10:08.660 They're, they're, they're on a different path than they were in the past, you know, and some of

01:10:12.960 these guys may find that these past relationships that they had were toxic or not ideal. And so I

01:10:19.600 think it kind of speaks to that a little bit about, you know, struggling with finding people

01:10:24.060 outside of, of the iron council or outside of order, man, that's on the same page as them.

01:10:30.160 Okay. So maybe I misunderstood the, the framing of the question a little bit. So I want to approach

01:10:35.240 this in two different ways. Yeah. It's going to be harder naturally. I think to find people who

01:10:41.020 are on the same path as you, if you're on the path of success, we'll call it, if you're on that path

01:10:46.260 and it looks a little different for everybody, but if you're on that path, growth mindset,

01:10:49.860 focused on no ownership, you know, ownership, no victimhood, that whole thing. Yeah.

01:10:55.040 There's fewer people on that path than the other path, which is just complacency, mediocrity,

01:11:00.160 living day to day, paycheck to paycheck. There's definitely fewer people on the path to success.

01:11:04.560 So naturally it's going to be harder to find those people, but I'll tell you what,

01:11:08.900 the people on the path to success, they do all walk the same path and they congregate together.

01:11:14.860 So all you need to do is to insert yourself into that congregation. Yeah. So they're going to,

01:11:20.600 to business luncheons, they're, they're networking, they're going to events. They're,

01:11:26.980 they're part of masterminds and other networks about success. You mentioned the iron council,

01:11:32.720 they're there. And so it just becomes your obligation, responsibility to seek them out.

01:11:39.000 And then to go insert yourself into their, their midst, their congregation, whatever that is.

01:11:44.220 And fascinate what's fascinating about it is it's easy. It's really easy to tell.

01:11:50.340 Like you can see people who are successful. You can see the way they live their life. It's,

01:11:55.060 it's kind of that adage that scripture by their fruits, you shall know thee.

01:11:57.760 If they're producing superior results in their life, then you can be sure that they know something

01:12:02.840 that maybe you haven't quite figured out. And that will, it should attract you. It should be

01:12:07.980 attracting to you like moth of the flame. Right? So you have to seek those people out. You

01:12:14.140 definitely have to be more intentional about the associations that you're having because they're

01:12:21.440 not, they're not going to work anymore. Yeah. Right. You're like Kip, you're not a default kind

01:12:28.940 of guy. I'm not a def like, Oh, I'm just gonna wake up and like, whatever happens today happens

01:12:33.920 and it's going to be cool or whatever. No, no, that's not how I work my day. It's not how you

01:12:39.280 work your day. That's not how successful. And I've talked with what three, 400 highly successful men.

01:12:45.180 They're not default people. They're not like, Oh, I found myself in this thing. And like, Whoa,

01:12:49.260 like, what am I? Like, I didn't know I'd be here today. That's not how they operate.

01:12:53.720 And the relationships aren't default. Right? Like, think about it. Like before you got on this

01:12:58.980 path, like who were your friends? The guy that happened in high school or the gym or whatever

01:13:04.740 sports with, or maybe the neighbor or your wife's friends has been like, it wasn't people that you

01:13:10.480 intentionally like said, Hey, I need to be around this kind of guy because he is stellar. It's just,

01:13:15.080 it was by chance really. Right. Right. Yeah. So I think the, the key there is to be intentional.

01:13:21.760 And if you're intentional about it and you're surrounding yourself with those individuals,

01:13:24.940 I don't think this will be a big, a big concern or an issue for you. The initially where I was going

01:13:30.180 to go with it is, um, more of like relating to people. I thought that's where he was going with it.

01:13:36.100 Do you, do you have a hard time relating with people who are on the same path? I used to,

01:13:40.300 in fact, candidly, I used to think down on these people. Yeah. Like they were inferior.

01:13:49.040 I don't really think that anymore. I, I, I have more empathy for those individuals that I did in

01:13:54.560 the past. You know, what, I can't believe why would they be doing it? They didn't do that.

01:13:58.600 Now it's more like, you know, like, man, I wish they knew this, or I wonder why they're,

01:14:04.340 they've gone down that path instead of this. It's more empathetic than it is looking down upon.

01:14:08.680 And I just realized I'm going to relate to different people on different levels. The way

01:14:13.560 that I relate with you, Kip is going to be different than, you know, maybe, maybe somebody

01:14:18.180 I see at the gas station that I'll give you an, I'll give you an example. This is a silly example,

01:14:23.060 but it'll undermine the point is there's this individual at a gas station that I, that I frequent.

01:14:29.340 And this person, I always thought they have the worst attitude. Like this person has the worst

01:14:35.180 attitude. Like what is their problem? This seemed like a really bad attitude. And my son went with

01:14:44.640 me one day and he said the same thing. I didn't, I didn't ask anything. We got done. And he said, man,

01:14:49.460 they have a bad attitude. I said, I know, right? Like, that's what I think. And then a couple of weeks

01:14:55.280 ago, I made the decision to not think that and just figure out what in the world is going on with

01:15:03.700 this person. And so I made it my mission to see if I could get this individual to just be a little

01:15:10.720 nicer. And one day I walked into the gas station and I just attempted to strike up a conversation

01:15:18.640 by asking something, maybe I can't even remember what it was, something personal,

01:15:23.980 or I made a joke about somebody that was in line before me. It was something like that.

01:15:29.980 Yeah. And their whole countenance changed.

01:15:34.340 Their entire, everything completely changed. I was like, I walked out of there. They had a great

01:15:38.960 conversation. We laughed, we joked about it. And then I left no big deal. And I walked out. I was like,

01:15:42.920 whoa, I have been misjudging this person. And I had more influence than I thought I did.

01:15:51.480 And now I go into that gas station and it's good. This person is kind and they're friendly. And we,

01:15:58.800 we, you know, ask about the day and like, it's a good, it's a good little relationship for what it

01:16:04.580 is. I realize it for what it is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I buy some stuff there occasionally and get gas.

01:16:09.900 Right. But that's, that's what I'm talking about is we don't need to judge people.

01:16:18.020 We don't need to rush to assume that we know what they're dealing with. We just try. I personally,

01:16:23.640 I'm not great at this. I'm something I'm working on. I just strive to realize the relationship is

01:16:29.880 what it is. And I can just attempt in my own small way to make that person's day just a little better.

01:16:34.640 Hmm. That's it. And so I, where I used to look down on that, I look at it as more of

01:16:41.700 an opportunity to like figure out why this person is the way they are, or maybe I'm wrong and I'm

01:16:48.520 just interpreting it incorrectly. And so I just give the relationship or the conversation, some

01:16:53.900 context approach it a different way. And it changes the way I see things. Yeah. And I realized that not

01:16:59.200 all relationships are going to be business relationships. Some are just going to be,

01:17:04.580 I just pump gas at this gas station and I want to be friendly with that person.

01:17:08.160 And that's the extent of our relationship. And other people is like, okay, I'm going to train

01:17:12.980 jujitsu with this person. Probably not going to talk business ever. Probably never going to invite

01:17:18.820 this individual over to have, you know, barbecue at my house, but we train together and I admire and

01:17:22.800 respect and enjoy training with this person. And I see each relationship for what it is.

01:17:27.040 And I don't have any expectation outside of that. So I did have a hard time relating to people

01:17:32.240 that weren't on my path. And now I don't care if you're on your own path. Good. I just want you

01:17:38.860 to have some success. And if you want to join me on my path, I would love to have you here,

01:17:42.240 but it's going to be my path, not yours. Yeah. Interesting. What was that trigger? Like,

01:17:47.580 what was that switch for you before, before where you felt like you're passing judgment and you know,

01:17:52.780 what changed? Um, that's a good question. I, I guess I looked at it as a challenge.

01:18:03.840 So I had this really interesting experience when I was little. So we had this, this post man and he

01:18:09.680 was, he was very looking back on it. If I, it was so long ago, but he was very cold, like really just

01:18:19.400 cold. He seemed cold. Yeah. Like a mailman, the mailman. Yeah. The mailman. Yeah. He was very stern

01:18:25.480 and he was very cold. And I remember saying hi to him. I was little, I must've been eight or nine

01:18:31.040 years old and he did like blew me off or something. And I remember one day I asked my, my mom about it.

01:18:39.020 And I said, you know, the mailman was a jerk today or whatever I said. And she said something. She's

01:18:45.240 like, yeah, I wonder, I wonder what he's going through. And I'm like, what do you mean? I don't

01:18:51.600 know. He's just a jerk. I don't know what he's going through. And I am not exaggerating. When I say

01:18:57.660 this, I remember vividly and specifically my mom making it her mission to change him.

01:19:07.920 Just like, like make him smile, make him happy. And one year she has amazing zucchini bread.

01:19:16.240 And one year she made zucchini bread for this guy. And he was our mailman probably for three or four,

01:19:22.080 maybe five years tops. And every year for Christmas, she would do zucchini bread. She would

01:19:27.540 leave a note. She would tell him she appreciated what he did. And then one day he changed like he

01:19:35.300 just changed. And he let, I get a little emotional because of how powerful we are. Like we really are

01:19:42.280 powerful if we realize. And one day he, if I remember correctly, he left a note from my mom or

01:19:48.640 something and she read it to me. And he was so grateful to her for how kind she had been to him

01:19:55.420 when nobody else was like that. And his whole countenance changed. He was friendly. He would

01:20:01.260 smile. He would joke with my sister and I, and he was just nice. And that to me was such an amazing

01:20:09.440 introduction to how powerful and influential just one person can be if they just decide to do it.

01:20:16.780 That's all it takes. It just takes a little effort, just a little understanding, a little kindness,

01:20:24.000 a little bit more. I've used the word grace in the past. And I like that word. It's just a little

01:20:29.800 bit more grace. I don't know your situation. I'm not going to judge you about it. I'm just going to

01:20:33.740 try to make your circumstances better. Even if it's just for this small interaction of you handing me

01:20:39.140 my mail. I remember that. I was what, 30 years ago. And as a, as a good lesson for me and I don't

01:20:47.980 always apply it, especially on social media. I rushed to conclusions. I'm an asshole to people

01:20:52.860 and you know, but man, those are lessons that are pretty valuable for me. Yeah. I like it.

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01:21:58.100 No. Discontinued, man.

01:21:59.460 It's going to sell on eBay for triple the price. This is my 401k investment is my old

01:22:05.720 at least triple. You can probably get a hundred bucks out of that thing.

01:22:10.840 I got the brotherhood t-shirt too. That's one of my favorites.

01:22:14.180 You do? That one's even more rare. I don't even have that one anymore. Can you send me this

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01:22:19.580 Sell it to you.

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