Challenging Polls, Cherishing Legacies, and Embracing Personal Growth ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING
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In this episode, Sean and Ryan answer questions from the Brothers of the Iron Council and answer some of your questions. They discuss the upcoming mid-term election, the polls, and how to deal with the noise.
Transcript
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There's no growth in a pleasant, exciting, fun all the time.
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Growth is in and on the backside of difficult challenges.
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Only if we decide, well, it shouldn't be this way.
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Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Sean, it's always a pleasure to record an AMA with you, sir.
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Today, we're going to field questions, actually, from the brothers of the Iron Council.
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When I looked over these questions yesterday, I was like, we got some solid questions today.
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And I'm pretty excited about covering these with you.
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And in fact, when I was reading them last night, I was like, well, how would Sean reply
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And it's kind of funny because you start learning, I don't know, you know this as much as me.
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You know Ryan's response, actually, after a while.
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You know his response to almost every question.
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But we have a lot of conversations around a lot of things.
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But if it's the right answer, it's the right answer, right?
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So anyhow, so before you get into those questions, Sean, you got a headline for us, sir?
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But I wanted to kind of turn it into a question that we can have a little fun with.
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Because it's funny, we were just talking before you hit the record.
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You're like, I'm just kind of sick of the noise, right?
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Any election year, especially as you get into October, November, it just gets ridiculous.
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But my headline I thought of was, I'm watching a lot of people argue about the polls, right?
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So my question is, when it comes to the polls, do you even believe any of them?
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And it's like, and we know this from statistics, we know this from running businesses, you can
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make stats and reports mean anything you want them to mean.
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You omit a little bit here, you sample only certain groups, and all of a sudden, it ends
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up aligning perfectly to what the message is that you want to put out, right?
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And that's really what we're talking about here, I'm assuming.
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And the reason I chose this was not just, I mean, it'll be a little quicker than normal,
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People get so, I've never, ever paid attention to the polls because I just don't care.
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Because I'm going to vote the way I'm going to vote regardless.
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Like that, to me, that doesn't sway me either way.
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I'm only interested in what I can control and what I can do now, what's within my power
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And what might happen is literally no concern of mine.
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So I think that's more why I brought it up was just during this time, there is so much
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I think it's most important for us to focus on what we can control, what we can do, who
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we're going to vote for, why, how informed we are, you know, all of these things.
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And, um, and, and then after November, whoever does get elected, um, then carry on with their
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Cause it doesn't matter whether it's Kamala or Trump.
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And by the way, as I said that, I think this is one of the most important, they say that
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every four years, this is the most important election of our generation.
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Um, and I think the team that, that Trump has put together.
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But continue your thought, because what you're going to say is profound.
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You believe this is one of the most important elections of all time and what?
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And because of that, I'm going to be as informed as I can.
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I'm going to vote for who I'm going to vote for.
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And by the way, as I say that, and I'll, I'll say, I'm willing to say who I was voting
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for, who I'm voting for, but I was voting for RFK.
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If I'm being totally honest, I mean, that's who I was on board with.
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Um, cause I thought this stuff he would do would have the greatest impact, you know, on
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our country, on our health, on our kids, on the, you know, the things he's taking a stance
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on, and, uh, once he jumped on Trump's team and then Tulsi and then Vivek and then Elon
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Like this is literally like, like the, you know, the dream team from the Olympics in 1990,
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whatever that was, you know, in basketball is going to play like some middle school basketball
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And my vote this, you know, right now is different than it was going to be a month ago, you know,
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And, um, but the polls don't sway that nothing sways that.
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And I'm decided in that there'd have to be something really major to sway me at this point,
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It's not going to be, I will continue to listen to podcasts of the people that are making an
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So I've been trying to listen to more podcasts, right?
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I'm right now in the middle of listening to one, the Sean Ryan show, Tulsi Gabbard, um,
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listening to that, listening to as much as I can, that RFK is on.
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Um, I listened to less of the ones that Trump is on, if I'm being honest, because he just
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says the same things and he's not saying things, just hammering into the opposition.
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You know, I want to know what they're going to be doing.
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I listened to a couple with Elon Musk and I'm on board.
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Like the stuff they have ready to roll is insane and how good it is.
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And the fact that Trump's going to let him do it according to what he says, um, is, uh,
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And so I'm going to focus on what I can control in between and after regardless.
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If, if understanding what the popular vote is sways, what you do.
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Um, like, I'm sorry, but yeah, you, you gotta be centering your decisions on something way
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And, and, you know, obviously our audience probably isn't that group that needs to hear
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Um, I'm sure we're very much aligned that, um, that shouldn't be driving what we do.
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So officially Trump is, I don't know what the date is, um, but is going on Rogan.
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So, all right, man, well, let's get into, to, um, our questions.
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Uh, so our first question from the iron council is from Adam Lewis, uh, kind of weird to read
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a question for myself here, but he says mostly for kit.
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Uh, and you'll get the breath of the Sean and I still want to hear your thoughts.
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He says, you talk about how you remember Asia's grandmother with your children to the point
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What things did you use to accomplish that with my mother passing before even getting to
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It is something I want to work forward, uh, forward with.
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And so what Adam is alluding to is, and I've made this comment on the podcast over the years
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that, that my wife's grandmother, uh, Meme, which is French for grandma, um, is very much
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alive, uh, in her family and she, her legacy lives on because they have continued to make sure
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And, and so what things, and Adam, you're giving me too much credit.
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I haven't done crap, uh, to be honest with you.
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I think personally, my wife had such a great relationship with her, admired her as a woman
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Um, in fact, her journal, her grandmother's journal is on her dresser.
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And it's not uncommon that I will see her flip it open that journal and read a couple pages
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from her grandmother and share those passages and those thoughts and those feelings that her
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grandma had in that moment on that particular day.
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What she'll do is she'll go to the date that matches today's date and where was she, right?
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What, what was she struggling with and what was the thing and, or whatever.
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And, and so I'd say she has stayed connected with her and through that she's allowed our
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I think the other thing is there's traditions that we do during Christmas time that they've
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always done with their grandma other, uh, ever since they were little girls.
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And so they sing some Christmas songs in French that they've always sung every Christmas I've
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They did it when they're little girls, their dad plays the piano, like they used to do with
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And then I think the other thing is the sharing of the stories, right?
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My daughters had the opportunity in their school to do like a showcase highlight around,
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Um, and because of Asia's grandmother living through that, um, and actually their town around
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I mean, she was literally on her way to a camp when, when, um, when the Americans like saved
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Her, I think her husband, um, no, no, her, her parents, her dad was underground Nazi that
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got, had to be forced to go to become a Nazi and then ended up going underground and fighting
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Like just these rich stories that are just amazing.
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And my daughter had a chance to like showcase her grandma in, in a school report around
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And, and you might all be listening to this and like, oh my gosh, well, it's because
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It's because she's amazing person, which then sets the tone of, well, are we being amazing
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and what are we doing to, to, to have a legacy worth referencing right on our personal
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level now, specifically to your question, Adam and your mom passing him in my condolences,
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by the way, with your mom passing away, but don't let her leave.
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And, and if maybe you have a journal, maybe you don't, if, if you don't have a journal
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All the memories that you have about your mom and write about what an amazing woman she
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was and what she did for you and all those things, write them down.
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So you don't forget them and then share them and talk about them and, and, and bring her
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up constantly in the conversations because you know, as much as I know, does your mom
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She does let them know that she loves them, even though she's not there with them.
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Um, that's funny that you went, uh, both places I was going to go and at least bring
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It makes you think about the legacy that you're leaving when you're trying to, I guess you
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can say, prepare that for somebody else and, uh, making sure that you're worthy of somebody,
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you know, keeping your memory alive at some point.
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Um, but the, the one other thing I thought of is before my mom passed, I bought a couple
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of these books that you can buy that basically have a bunch of different questions, um, that
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Like never, maybe you never asked when you were, you know, growing up or whatever about
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her childhood and how she grew up and different struggles and different things and, you know,
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And if you get one of those books, um, now the funny thing is I bought a couple of those
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things and, uh, it, I bought one where it's like, I filled out a bunch of stuff.
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She, she was supposed to fill out a bunch of stuff and she never did it, you know, but
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the exercise of me doing that made me remember so many things about her that I wouldn't have
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on my own or stories that I'd kind of forgotten about.
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And as I started going through that process, just remembered all these things that were
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worthy of speaking, uh, you know, to my kids about, and, um, and, and some of those memories
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that I wanted to keep alive about her that I, uh, loved about her and, and cherished about
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And, um, and so maybe grabbing one of those books, um, you were talking about journaling,
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and, but outside of journaling, if you're looking for something that's going to prompt
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you to, you know, some memories and some things like that, grab one of those.
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I think it's worth the buy, um, to go through it.
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And obviously, even though you can't go through it together to give you those promptings and
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to get it on paper, uh, so that you can have it and pass it.
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Well, and another thing that you could do is, I mean, isn't it quite ironic that the things
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that become important to us are, and, and even Ryan mentions this sometimes around the
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importance of the questions we ask and, and what questions have we asked, right?
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And it's funny because some of those things I never knew as a kid, because I, I, I stopped
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learning about who he was as a man because he was my dad.
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And I had him in a corner and we do that a lot, by the way, we stopped learning about
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And as I got older, there's things I learned about my dad.
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You know, like one of my, one of my uncles mentioned, I think it was that like, oh, like
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Like, because we are not a fun family where we're a work family, right?
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You, you want to get to know your dad, you'd have to work.
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And to find out he had fun, I was like, are you sure you're talking about my father?
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And so, you know, maybe your mom has siblings still alive.
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What questions you have about her that you've never always wondered about.
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And, and maybe seek those out if you're capable and, and you'd come to find out you, there's
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probably even more amazing things about our parents that we never even realized.
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I mean, most of us are as children, especially, you know, the world revolves around us.
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And we, and we, especially when it comes to our parents, we, we stopped learning about
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them and how, what made them tick when they're younger and all those things.
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And then I was even thinking, Sean, when you're sharing how simple, and maybe I'm, maybe I
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shouldn't say this because I'm going to hold myself, I'm going to have to hold myself accountable
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to this, but how powerful would it be if my grandkids had a letter from me when I was,
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when I'm dead, I'd write a letter to my grandkids today.
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I don't even have any grandkids, but what I'd want my grandson to know, what I'd want my
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granddaughters to know, how hard is it for me to write that, store that away somewhere
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And maybe it's three letters, a letter for when they turn eight and get baptized, a letter
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for when they're 12 or 13, a letter for when they get married from me, from their grandfather.
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You know, I get, what a great idea, you know, and it, and it wouldn't be that hard for us
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Eric Gutierrez, what had been the crucial part to your personal growth?
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Um, it, when I saw this one, obviously you have a lot of different things that you think
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And I was like, what was the, the most critical?
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And honestly, I think the most critical was, uh, knowing what I want when it comes down to
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it is figuring out, I mean, every book that I've read and, and to me, the most important
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one for, for my personal growth early on, um, when I started getting into that world was
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Um, I think that one had the deepest impact because it, it laid out an outline for how to
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lay out your plan, you know, for what you want, but just the thought of what you want
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in the first place and not only to have, to want it, but in that book, Napoleon Hill calls
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it having a red hot burning desire for whatever that is.
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I think that was the most important part because if it's not important enough, and if you don't
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want it bad enough, um, you're not going to stick with that development.
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You're not going to keep going if it's, if it's, if it doesn't push you hard enough.
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So it's probably a more simple answer than he was expecting, but for me anyways, I don't
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know if you have a different answer or something deeper, but I think knowing what you want, because
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And if you're just drifting, you kind of life can push you whichever way it wants.
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And when you know what you want, you, you don't allow yourself to drift.
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And Sean, let me know if you'd agree with this or not.
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Um, but I think some people might get hung up in what you said, know what you want, because
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then they're like, well, I don't know what I want.
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And then it's like, oh, it's the right thing and blah, blah, blah.
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And, and I feel personally, you're not going to know what you want until you decide on what
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And it may be wrong, but you decided and, and deciding and going forward will help you
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And, and, and, cause I think some of us will, we'll overthink it or overanalyze it.
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And we're out, you're not going to know until you start taking action.
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Like one, one might say that, that my, my financial success has been 100% because I chose the right
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industry and I have some great connection and talent around technology.
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And, and the reality of it is, is it's not true.
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I've been a consultant for over 20 years around technology.
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It is what I do best, but it's really not the tech that, that allows me to do what I
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But what I love is what critically thinking, seeking to understand, solving problems that's
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I didn't know that I had a talent in that space.
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If it wasn't for me latching onto, oh, I'm going to be a software developer.
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I, in fact, I haven't written a line of code for geez, probably 15 years.
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Like the first five years of my career, I did software development and then I evolved out
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of it and then I became an architect and then I would like business analyst work and, and
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But I would have never known that if I just didn't make a decision and go forward.
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Would you agree with that sentiment and that statement?
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And I'm glad you brought that up and even clarified more of what I was saying, because
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But I didn't clarify enough that what I want now is different than what I wanted 25 years
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I used to, there's all these things I used to want that I don't want anymore.
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But those things were important enough at one point to push me to be better.
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And then as I got better, I turned into a different person.
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As I turned into a different person, different things became important.
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Then I had to be at least cognitive enough to, to realize that I was different and that
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these things that, and you'll feel it, you'll feel a shift, you'll feel a change where this
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thing that was so important that it was literally the most driving factor in, in your life, all
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I mean, forget about maybe getting like second or third or fifth on your list.
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It, you might eliminate it completely and that's fine.
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But if you get in the habit, um, and in the exercise of figuring out what you want and what's
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going to make you happy and what's going to help you be fulfilled, then, um, that becomes
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In high school, I wanted a, this is going to sound stupid.
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I, I wanted, I actually wanted that, or I wanted an Accord 50 series tires, four inch
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Like I wanted, I look back at it with my, I got an El Camino, which I'm glad because I
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couldn't imagine not having a truck, you know, like even though an El Camino is not really
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a truck, you know, it's like half car, half truck.
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Like it is, you throw stuff in the back of it and, uh, I couldn't imagine my life through
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high school and everything without it, but that's, yeah, that's, I wanted that hatchback
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In fact, I remember not having enough money for that civic hatchback and I was like, man,
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I gotta, I gotta, I gotta figure out how to make some money, man.
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And, and then the hatchback, I throw about like some 15 inch, maybe some 12 inch subs.
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Kyle drivers was, is kind of my brand back in the day.
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You remember the mix, the bass mix tapes there, they're like cassette tapes.
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It was almost like techno before there was techno is really what it was for sure.
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You know, I never answered the question for Eric on personal growth.
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I think for me, luckily, by the way, for me, um, my father-in-law, when I was young, uh,
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Rick, he was, um, a Franklin Covey facilitator.
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And I remember he was like, Hey, we're going to, I'm going to put you through seven habits
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And then, then there was like, first things first, most course.
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I don't know if it was divine from his part, but it was exactly what I needed in that time
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Kip, you can achieve greatness if you have systems and if you're consistent and operating
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against those systems, you know, and it, and it has goal setting in there.
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What's the most important things and what should we focus?
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And, and it was just, just really perfect timing.
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Um, and, and it really got me on this path of like, I, it's, it's a reps.
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And it, and it's all about how do I get more reps?
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He made it really care to me is what was important and how do I get the reps I need?
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Um, and it was, and it probably projected my personal growth and development in a way
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that, um, man, I owe him actually big time for him doing that.
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That's, that's, as you are saying that I, that was going to be my answer to, uh, one of
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the later questions, like one of the questions further down.
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So I don't know if you want to just attack that one at the same time.
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Chris Kroon, uh, when you were first learning how to develop consistency in your life intentionally,
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what was your first big hurdle and how do you remember how you got over it?
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How do you look back at that hurdle having become the man you are today?
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And my answer is my biggest hurdle was being organized, uh, having a plan.
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It was like, whatever you get home, it's like grab a six pack of beer on the way home,
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you know, kind of as I'm drinking that, like friends would call or I'd call them and then
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you figure out what you're going to do the rest of that day or night or whatever.
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Even my job, I would go into my job and I was working in the studios and every morning I'd
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go four or 5am and get my tentative schedule for the day.
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I could be working a four hour day or a 14 hour day day to day and whatever tentative schedule
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I had the day before it usually changed before I got there, you know?
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And so I didn't really have a life conducive to planning anything.
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And I took a first things first course by Covey.
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And I was fortunate that when I started in my business, they had a deal with Covey at the
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time, um, where they'd have those facilitators like your uncle who would come in, who would,
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you know, show us how to be organized and how to plan.
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And they did the rocks thing and you know, all of that, um, and having that planner and
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getting a Covey planner and learning how to use it.
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And then that becoming my habit, um, looking back at that now, everything that I do well
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in my life with consistency, I can, I can lead back to me getting good at using that planner
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and being organized in my life and, and having a daily plan.
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Like I, I used everything I learned from there and the battle plan I like better because of
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And, um, it, I mean, everything now, all of my good habits started with getting efficient
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Like I still today, like I am so, let me say it this way.
00:30:15.020
I am so opinionated around the planning process and task management process that I learned
00:30:23.560
in the early days of Covey that I have been angry at most task management tools because
00:30:40.220
And so if someone's in a technology space and you want my opinion, I'm more than willing
00:30:50.300
The, the original Palm pilot version of the task management software related to Franklin
00:30:57.500
Covey was the most superior task management tooling ever.
00:31:01.480
And since then it has fallen to the wayside and, and has never been duplicated ever since.
00:31:07.960
And, and to this day, the tools I use, I still use my battle planner for my dailies, but when
00:31:12.860
I talk about task management, identify my roles, I have a master task list.
00:31:19.040
I assigned it to the appropriate A1, B1, B2, C1.
00:31:23.320
Like I, I have makeshifted my version of the old system still to this day into how I manage
00:31:37.260
We, we made a planner for our, one of our businesses, our coaching business.
00:31:44.080
We made a planner for that business, our happy and strong business.
00:31:47.740
And, um, it was the foundation of that same thing came from Covey, you know, and then little
00:31:55.200
things that were a little more intricate, like specifically for our other business, our
00:32:00.300
financial business and stuff to kind of coincide the two.
00:32:10.460
And, uh, I mean, could you even imagine trying to live your life like weekly, daily without
00:32:17.720
that, having that in front of you, you know, and, and keeping you on task.
00:32:23.640
And what's, what's, uh, what's Andy Brazil's power list, a version of it.
00:32:31.700
In fact, I was talking with Asia last night about how foundational Covey's stuff was back
00:32:37.980
in the day and how much of things today are just built upon that system.
00:32:42.680
Like I I've been reading the book, traction built upon that system for disciplines, execution
00:32:51.360
It, it, it was so foundational and disruptive and valuable that, that it's still even valuable
00:33:01.940
There's one thing before we move on from Chris's question that I think was kind of profound.
00:33:06.120
And I, I am saying with you, um, Sean, like all those consistency was systems and discipline
00:33:12.620
The only other thing that I'd add that was a big learning is consistently.
00:33:25.720
Most of my biggest breakthroughs were times in my life where I went, I don't know how I'm
00:33:31.620
going to do it, but I'm going to, I'll find a way.
00:33:39.300
Like the average person would have been, there's no way you can't, you can't work this IT job
00:33:50.180
You can't pull that off or you shouldn't go out and start your own consulting firm.
00:33:56.100
You were making great money working for corporate America.
00:34:00.820
Like there are all these little moments where my thought was, I don't exactly know how I'm
00:34:06.300
going to pull it off, but I'm going to run with it and I'm going to find a way.
00:34:11.600
And that has been really critical to me, critical for me and my progress over the years is sometimes
00:34:18.180
being okay, not knowing the answer, feeling a little scared about it.
00:34:22.260
And not only a little scared, it's also really exciting.
00:34:25.100
Like sometimes when I do something stupid, like, Oh, I'm going to do this.
00:34:30.100
I I'm kind of, maybe it's just me, but I get all excited about it as well.
00:34:40.060
Well, I don't, I wouldn't say everybody finds a way, but everybody gets excited about stuff.
00:34:46.200
And it's usually in that space of being a little bit, and I know it's a plan word on words,
00:35:02.840
That's some people's advice is that they get too excited about too many things too often.
00:35:15.280
All right, George Sykes, how do you let go of the person you used to be in order to
00:35:25.120
I feel like I'm being pulled in two different directions.
00:35:28.180
One is easy and familiar, but leads to loneliness and sadness.
00:35:34.840
I can't seem to fully embrace the difficult and the unknown, and it's driving me nuts.
00:35:39.800
I can take two steps forward and three steps back.
00:35:42.600
Then another four steps forward and then steps back.
00:35:49.440
You know, when I read this, my biggest thought was, George, it sounds like you're on track,
00:35:59.060
Like when you were saying, when you said I was unreasonable with myself, my thought when
00:36:07.220
you first said that is that you set too high of an expectation for yourself, and then when
00:36:15.960
you don't hit it, you know, you feel like you're failing, you know, and that's where
00:36:22.880
You went somewhere entirely different, but that was the thought that I had when you said
00:36:27.180
And I think that's what George is doing here is maybe his expectation of who he's supposed
00:36:32.620
to be because he now knows what he wants is, uh, and, and I think that happens to everybody
00:36:43.260
You come up with this goal, okay, I'm going to do this.
00:36:47.160
And we have these false expectations of what we should do in the first year, the first
00:36:52.760
five years, the first 10 years, the first month, you know, or whatever it is.
00:36:56.900
And when we don't hit those expectations, we feel like we failed.
00:37:01.900
And that's why most people give up on their businesses.
00:37:06.300
That's why the, you know, the numbers are so high with people not doing it.
00:37:09.760
It's mainly because that expectation wasn't met.
00:37:13.520
And we have to get rid of these expectations for where we're supposed to be and anchor to
00:37:23.660
our growth in process and, and our process is being firm and sound and getting us results.
00:37:36.140
It doesn't have to be all of the results that we want right away, but as long as we're getting
00:37:41.320
better, we're on track and you're going to backslide and you're going to, you know, and
00:37:47.760
again, I I'm kind of relating this to business, but any part of your life, let's talk about
00:37:52.900
I mean, I look at today, I, I, I chose to follow a path in my church and, and, and my faith.
00:38:03.560
Um, and, and, and accept Jesus as my savior, um, now 23 years ago, almost.
00:38:23.700
I'm a completely different human than I was those 23 years ago.
00:38:29.160
And then me just being on the path of being in my business made me a better human than
00:38:37.560
And it's so, it's like terrifying thinking of how different I was back then, how I thought
00:38:45.040
And I was not a good guy, you know, how I thought I was, you know, trustworthy and upstanding
00:38:54.820
And, and if I had the expectation that I was going to be who I am today, but that was going
00:39:01.960
to happen within a year or two or even five, um, that was a false expectation.
00:39:07.540
Now in saying that as different as I am, I still haven't completely let go of who I am.
00:39:16.740
I mean, like when people attach this stuff to scripture, they think of, uh, I think a lot
00:39:22.280
And, and I think of the transformation from Saul to Paul, I mean, he even changed his name,
00:39:32.320
And, um, and it doesn't mean that all of Saul was gone in him, you know, like you, we all
00:39:42.760
have tendencies and we all have weaknesses and we all have these things that we're born
00:39:49.500
And, and I thought of this actually this week I was building as this, uh, deck slash tree
00:39:58.460
And, uh, I left my 14 year old to be in charge of music, you know, on our, on our little boom
00:40:06.440
boxing or Bluetooth thing out there that was playing music.
00:40:09.760
He started out with like his mumble rap stuff that he likes to listen to.
00:40:13.660
And, uh, and then that transitioned into like nineties hip hop, you know, and, and, and
00:40:20.380
then it transitioned into the stuff I used to listen to with my dad and my stepdad on
00:40:24.780
construction sites, you know, which is like journey and Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith and ACDC
00:40:30.960
and all these, you know, like, like the classic rock stuff.
00:40:33.820
But it was so funny because I was singing along it's once the night nineties hip hop
00:40:41.440
stuff started coming up, I'm singing all these songs and I'm like remembering how in high
00:40:47.640
school, now these were all the clean versions of these songs and I can't even sing the original
00:40:55.740
And now here I am, I'm singing along with them, but I'm replacing all the dirty words with
00:40:59.660
clean ones, you know, and, uh, but I still like, I I'm not detaching who I was when I used to listen
00:41:09.320
to that stuff and the crazy things I used to do at that time in my life.
00:41:20.740
You know, I can still, the fun parts of that part of my life, I can still enjoy and kind of
00:41:29.520
remember, but also like that builds me up because I remember how far I've come.
00:41:39.540
So instead of just trying to completely ditch it, you just embrace like, Hey, I have these
00:41:45.640
I can still embrace them and I can still be a man of God.
00:41:51.760
And some of us, it's going to move faster than others.
00:41:54.800
And some are going to be slower, but the bottom line is growth, you know?
00:42:00.140
And so the fact that he said, I, I take steps forward and then I slip back and then I forward
00:42:08.120
It's to me, it sounds like anyways, it's what do you think?
00:42:17.740
I feel like I'm being pulled in two different ways.
00:42:22.000
The easy pulls me and the difficult seems unknown.
00:42:44.120
This is, this is one thing that, that is so critical this past weekend.
00:42:48.320
I had the chance to do a, a facilitated class with a bunch of youth around self-resilience.
00:42:55.480
And if I had to summarize the lesson that I hope that they would walk away with is we
00:43:15.580
There's no growth in a pleasant, exciting, fun all the time.
00:43:23.680
Growth is in and on the backside of difficult challenges.
00:43:33.380
Only if we decide, well, it shouldn't be this way.
00:43:38.500
George, God wants you to be the best version of yourself.
00:43:41.940
You are being ignorant if you think it's possible to be there without difficulty and challenge.
00:43:50.860
And that's why not everyone is willing to level up and become the best versions of themselves
00:44:10.660
And don't make it wrong that you're having difficulty and doing difficult things.
00:44:28.880
How do you better pinpoint and discern when you're tuning in or tuning out?
00:44:35.520
And how can we better use our surroundings as a guide for what signs, sounds, and soundtracks
00:45:13.000
I laughed when I saw this one because I'm so ADD.
00:45:21.580
Um, you know, I constantly am listening to books and podcasts, you know, I, it's rare that I
00:45:29.580
drive around and just like listen to music and, and kind of veg out.
00:45:34.260
Um, I'm generally listening to things to try and be better, but also in saying that probably
00:45:41.040
half the time that I'm listening to these podcasts or books or whatever, they'll mention something.
00:45:46.600
And then my mind drifts and, you know, or it reminds me of something, or I'll even start
00:45:53.160
singing a song in my head and start doing that and not pay attention to what I was listening
00:45:58.720
And so, um, you know, the, the, because my brain works that way, I think that's also though
00:46:07.960
why I make sure that I place in, in the forefront of my mind all the time, these things, these
00:46:15.440
podcasts, these, you know, like the information that I want to help keep me on track, um, because
00:46:25.040
And so, you know, in, in church yesterday, they were talking, we were, we were all of the
00:46:32.080
men and they were talking about, you know, what, what leads us to, um, to falling away from
00:46:44.920
What leads us to, you know, uh, uh, a point where we don't believe anymore and my answer
00:46:53.620
and the, you know, I think where we landed as the majority, uh, everybody agreed on is
00:47:01.040
once we stop in the fundamentals, we don't keep spiritual things at the forefront of our
00:47:12.800
We stop being around people that have spiritual strength that can strengthen us.
00:47:17.580
We stop listening to examples, you know, of people who, who built their own faith.
00:47:28.060
And those like these simple fundamental things, I think everybody's looking for something big,
00:47:32.260
but when we get rid of the fundamentals, then it's, it's easier to slip away.
00:47:38.940
And the less we have in front of us, then the, the faster we're going to slide.
00:47:44.860
And so I think, um, for me, I stopped trying to pinpoint when I'm tuning in or tuning out.
00:47:54.820
And instead I just try and keep more things in front of me constantly to keep me tuned in.
00:48:05.680
I'm like, Oh man, I, I didn't hear the last 15 minutes of what I was listening to.
00:48:11.720
Sometimes I don't, I just kind of carry on, but I get back to tuned in.
00:48:16.120
So I think it's less, I'm less concerned with discerning when I am or I'm not.
00:48:22.640
Um, as much as when I do realize that I'm not, I just get back on course, you know, and that does
00:48:31.540
come back to what we were talking about earlier too, with planning and, you know, having a planner
00:48:35.940
and, and making sure that the most important things are getting done.
00:48:40.440
Um, because it's so easy to get distracted with, you know, with kids, with life, with,
00:48:47.860
you know, everything hitting you and, and for you to get off that course.
00:48:52.940
Um, but if you have it in front of you and it's clear and you, you, um, keep the track
00:49:04.120
Um, then I think it matters less when your focus, it's on or off of those things.
00:49:12.040
Um, as much as once you do realize that you're off, that you jump right back on and you have
00:49:21.620
When I feel what I, to summarize what I'm hearing you say is control your surroundings, right?
00:49:27.520
Just, just it being by being intentional around what you're putting in and what you're tuning
00:49:33.380
into that, that's how you're going to discern better because you're not letting, you're
00:49:38.380
not letting other things dictate your surroundings, right?
00:49:43.400
The other point that, that I'd like to add for Noah is, is the power of being present.
00:49:49.420
And you alluded to it already, Sean, when you're listening to something and, and sometimes
00:49:54.240
it's good, better, best that that's when this starts getting really difficult, good and
00:50:00.340
bad, that's easy, good, better, best that starts getting really hard.
00:50:04.800
Well, there's this thing I should be doing and it's really important, but is it as important
00:50:09.480
as being with my children and being fully present with them?
00:50:13.560
Is it really as important as my relationship with my loved ones?
00:50:20.120
And, and that's when the decisions start getting more difficult and they start getting muddy.
00:50:25.940
And to that issue, I would say, Noah, be fully present.
00:50:32.000
If you're playing Legos, be the most amazing Lego player with your child.
00:50:38.920
If you're playing in the backyard, be fully there.
00:50:41.880
If you're at work, be fully there, whatever it is, be fully present.
00:50:45.840
If you're having a conversation with someone, don't just listen to their words, seek to
00:50:50.980
understand how they feel, where's their desires, where their frustrations, be fully there.
00:51:00.320
In my opinion, most of us waste the moments by multitasking, by trying, and we're tuning
00:51:06.180
out and in, and we think we can tune in and out and accomplish more.
00:51:10.600
And you're not, you're just doing more things in a very half-assed way.
00:51:14.640
And so be, be fully engaged with whatever it is that you're about.
00:51:20.120
If you don't like your employer and it's not going well, figure out, get piss or get
00:51:28.380
But if you're going to be there, be an amazing employee.
00:51:31.060
If you're not liking the job and you feel disconnected, then leave or figure, but be all
00:51:42.420
And then if it doesn't work out, then you change your mind later.
00:51:48.580
And far too often, we were constantly looking elsewhere.
00:51:57.240
And I think, to be honest with you, we're distracted because we're unwilling to really put the effort
00:52:05.580
And there are so many opportunities of growth and development with where you are right now.
00:52:11.140
And we're so busy looking at tomorrow that we forget we're living today.
00:52:16.940
You know, as you said that, it's funny that I don't really think much about it, but I realized
00:52:24.940
that as you were saying that, is that, you know, when I talked about listening to podcasts
00:52:30.160
and stuff, I'm very clear on why I'm listening.
00:52:35.200
I don't just listen to 20 different ones to gather more information because I don't need
00:52:40.940
I want to gather information that's going to serve me and whatever's the most important
00:52:55.500
I mean, it was like I was just listening to tactics and different things and just having
00:53:00.860
Um, you know, the physicality side of it, all of it, just so I could be the most mentally
00:53:07.060
prepared, like put myself in that state of even being there already before I even got
00:53:12.800
And as soon as I shot that elk, literally like on the way home, there was, I was into the
00:53:22.300
next things that were like, what was this next month going to hold in store for me?
00:53:29.540
So I was listening to more, you know, like the dad edge and, you know, like some of these
00:53:34.180
family podcasts that I like listening to and those things, um, you know, right now,
00:53:39.360
currently it's, I, I, the election's coming up.
00:53:43.220
So like I mentioned, it's, that's what I'm listening to stuff driven on not even the election,
00:53:48.220
but just looking deeper into the policies, the teams that, you know, on either side of
00:53:54.320
the issues and, and listening into that, just so I can be my most informed, but then also
00:54:00.020
I can help with the influence that I have help other people understand those things as
00:54:06.920
And so that's what I'm listening to now, you know, and I don't know if I'm going to do
00:54:11.520
it all the way to the election, but right now that's the stuff that's in my brain.
00:54:16.240
And between now and then something else comes up, whether it's in business or whatever,
00:54:20.260
I'm going to shift to that, you know, before podcasts, it was books.
00:54:25.960
Then I started reading John Maxwell's books, you know, and, and getting proficient in those
00:54:31.540
I, we already mentioned Covey when it was building better habits.
00:54:35.180
That's when I read atomic habits and the power of habit.
00:54:37.860
And that, you know, like these, it, I would read a string of books or topics or podcasts or
00:54:44.100
whatever it is on those things and instead of 20 different books on different subjects.
00:54:54.180
I mean, and what was the average guy do go home, pop on the couch, flip on the channel.
00:54:59.800
They're not even, they don't even, they don't even, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:55:10.580
Simon Pratt, what are some effective strategies for making a smooth, successful transition
00:55:25.240
I mean, I think that's the most important, be willing to ask questions, not, not act like
00:55:32.160
you know everything, um, and be willing to learn and grow into that position.
00:55:38.460
Um, that's the biggest failure I see in my business and, and just in general in the business
00:55:46.180
world is, um, you see too many people with potential that are unwilling to ask the right
00:55:59.620
I mean, it's so much faster and easier to ask and too many people are unwilling to.
00:56:05.500
And, uh, so for me, that's the biggest thing I look for is people that are coachable, you
00:56:14.560
I mean, you're, you're, you're more embedded in, I guess you could say kind of a corporate
00:56:21.860
I see the typical, I mean, the same thing, uh, check your ego, right.
00:56:26.100
You're going to want to, want to step into the menu position and flex and look good and
00:56:33.220
Think about all the people that act like that in your life.
00:56:37.360
Um, and so try to watch the ego focus on learning, uh, the ropes, be slow to coach and suggest
00:56:46.360
because you're, you're going to come across overly arrogant.
00:56:54.660
I've been in this position for 10 years and you're giving me advice.
00:56:59.420
So be slow to, to suggest anything, focus on just really learning by everybody.
00:57:06.800
And then the last thing I'd say is get yourself in a position of influence and, and guess how
00:57:13.220
you do that by having relationships with people.
00:57:15.640
So get, get going, get knowing everybody that you're working with, understand them, like
00:57:23.180
seek to truly understand who they are, their needs, their challenges, the difficulties that
00:57:31.800
So, but so you can have positive impact on them and you're not going to be able to do
00:57:41.880
I care about the mission, care about the people, and then find the people, the strengths
00:57:55.160
If you can't answer that question, if you don't know what a highly successful XYZ person
00:58:01.640
is in this position, you need to get the answer.
00:58:05.320
So ask leadership, Hey, I need to understand what is exceptional in this role.
00:58:18.060
Like they're your client and you work for them.
00:58:25.320
And if you get blocked on winning, you raise your hand.
00:58:32.240
Hey, Sean, you mentioned winning looks like this.
00:58:39.640
And you default aggressive, be assertive, ask for what you need to be, and you ensure
00:58:59.140
Andy Collins, another leadership question here.
00:59:01.300
I've been offered leadership position at work, which is more of a lateral move for me going
00:59:11.640
It would be a big step moving into being a supervisor.
00:59:14.660
It has been suggested that I should go for this in the last, but have barked, balked at the
00:59:23.920
idea due to my unwillingness to work night shifts again.
00:59:28.160
How do I know if this is the right move for me to move into a leadership or stay in the
00:59:32.000
position in which I am comfortable and good at?
00:59:35.400
One side note, my schedule is more favorable in my current role.
00:59:39.600
Andy, you're probably not going to like this, but just the way you worded this question,
00:59:46.820
you don't sound like you're ready for a leadership position, if I'm being totally honest.
00:59:55.260
And the fact that schedule is that important to you just means, in my opinion, that you're
01:00:05.080
Um, now, are you ever really ready for a leadership position?
01:00:11.840
If you've, if you've been in administrative and you're moving into leadership and somebody
01:00:16.900
sees the leadership ability in you, there's a reason somebody's maybe suggesting it to
01:00:22.780
But if your schedule is more important than I mentioned before, the mission of the company,
01:00:29.900
um, and you being comfortable in your schedule is more important than that, then you're not
01:00:36.240
So you have the ability, so you're never going to be ready to take on the task of leading
01:00:43.800
Um, and that's going to be a process and that you have to learn through and, and go for.
01:00:52.300
Like take that risk that Kip was talking about.
01:00:56.860
Uh, but it, if you, I mean, there's a couple sentences in here that talk about your comfort
01:01:05.220
And if that's going to be pulling on you, you're not ready.
01:01:10.700
So Sean, if you don't mind me and I, I, I get the spirit of what you're saying.
01:01:15.400
Let me know if you, I knew it was going to come out wrong and I probably articulated it
01:01:19.000
wrong and it might be wrong entirely, but that's my thought.
01:01:22.200
No, I, the, the intent is, I think spot on you're using the word ready.
01:01:31.580
Cause what, like you said, we're never going to be ready, but, but Andy, if you're not willing
01:01:36.540
to do what it takes to be successful, then you will fail.
01:01:43.260
Are you willing to do what it takes to win in this other position?
01:01:47.400
And if you're not, then, then you're going to make a decision and then you'll just be
01:01:52.340
You'll show up mediocre, you know, and, and you're not going to show up powerfully.
01:02:19.860
I've, I've really gotten to know him of late and, and just a solid dude.
01:02:28.740
What's the one thing to be mindful of or do on the day of your wedding to make a memorable
01:02:54.060
When I saw this, I, I kind of laughed because, um, when my wife and I got married, we, we got
01:03:03.180
married on a company trip in Hawaii because it was kind of my dream to get married in Hawaii.
01:03:08.840
And, and my wife thought that'd be fantastic too.
01:03:15.540
Um, so the fact that it was kind of ideal for the two of us, that was all we needed, you know,
01:03:25.060
And so, uh, we didn't have to overthink like, oh, do I have to do this dance routine or whatever,
01:03:32.960
you know, now we had a reception when we got back home for people on the mainland that,
01:03:36.760
you know, cause majority couldn't fly to Hawaii for our wedding.
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Um, and then there I sang her favorite George straight song.
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Um, you know, well, it's like our song together.
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Um, and I sang that to her, you know, um, which was terrible, but she thought it was funny and
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Um, but honestly, that was less important than just the commitment to each other, you know,
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and, and the fact that, um, and for us personally, you know, it, it's our, our commitment is for
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And that's always been more important to us than the day.
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And so, um, you know, you may want to do something, but that, uh, even though it's kind of tongue
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in cheek and kidding about showing up, I, I actually think that's the most important part.
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Well, and when I say showing up is like showing up thinking that this is your eternal partner,
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you know, like this is, is, there's not an out, there's not a, you know, and until you
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make me mad, you know, and that, that kind of a thing, I, I honestly think showing up
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I mean, and Mark, cause I'd ask her like, Hey, for, for this day, you know, next month
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And then that's going to give you some clues of what you might want to do or be intentional
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I think through experience, the one thing that, that I wish, um, I would have done better
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is eliminate all the stress as much as possible.
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So you're like, Oh yeah, we'll manage the caterer.
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No, no, no, find someone to do all of that for you.
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So that way you guys can just be present and in the moment and not have to be taking care
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You guys stressing about all your guests and are they being taken care?
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Figure out how to make it your day as much as humanly possible.
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Delegate things out, even though it may not be exactly the way you would do it.
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So that way you don't eliminate those stresses.
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So you guys can just be there, uh, and be fully present, um, and, and be engulfed, you
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I'm glad you said that it's, it's, and when I think back to it, I actually did that.
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I think I asked my wife like, Hey, what are the most important little things that you want
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And it was the bouquet and then it was like the giveaways, the little, we gave away these
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dumb little things with like sand and shells from Hawaii and, um, to people that like had
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But it was so important to her that we have these cool little things to give to people.
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And between that and the bouquet and those things getting done right, the way that she wanted,
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um, that was like, to your point, just something she didn't have to stress about for that day.
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And, um, you know, she was able to focus more on what's important, I think, you know?
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So, yeah, I think it doesn't have to be a grand thing, but maybe ask those questions or what are
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the little things, the little details that are the most important to her.
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Raul Gutierrez, both of you fellows are athletic.
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What sort of post-workout nourishment routines do you adhere to?
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You know, mine is more often pre-workout than post-workout.
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I, I have, um, I have like a meal replacement drink slash shake thing that I, that I drink
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almost daily every day that I'm working out in some capacity.
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And I, I make sure I drink that before, uh, my workouts, or if I'm going to jujitsu, I drink
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Um, you know, and which is a few times a week now.
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Um, and then for post-workout, um, it's more just watching.
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Uh, my meal intake, I, I, I got really cognitive of avoiding snacking a long time ago, uh, making
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sure that I'm, I'm putting good, clean, organic food proteins.
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Um, now my protein intake consists of almost daily.
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I'm eating venison, you know, now and venison and elk.
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Um, uh, if it's pork, it's wild game still it's, you know, sausage that we harvested.
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Um, you know, and so all of my meat, all of my protein intake by large majority, probably
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Um, and being able to do that with, you know, organic vegetables and fruits and things like
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that, that's the majority of my diet throughout my day.
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So I think it's more important for me that I'm watching that intake and making sure that
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it's clean post-workout and then pre-workout there may be a shake or, you know, and, and,
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um, it's, I, I started taking creatine again, not to build muscle, but just for cognitive
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It's, there's all these new studies coming out on the cognitive side with creatine and,
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So I'm, I'm adding that to some of the shakes now, not that I'm doing it every day, or like
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I said, I'm not trying to like grow or build with it, but that's, that's what I'm using.
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And then supplements, um, you know, I'm taking vitamin supplements, uh, daily.
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Um, but again, it's not specific to working out.
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So I don't know if that totally answers your question.
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Um, but to me, it's more important that my diet is clean than I'm eating specific like
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protein bars or, or creatine or, or protein shakes or, you know, that kind of stuff.
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Um, I've, I've been trying to get away from protein drinks.
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I just like, if it's like eggs and meat, you know what I mean?
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And just try to get back to the natural things I do.
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I always take a post-workout, um, creatine, um, there's a really good brand, uh, message
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me or I can send it to you, uh, what, at least what I'm using.
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But, um, I read this post and, um, and I tagged it cause I'm like, man, this is, this
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And it kind of, to your point, Sean around diet says, if you're under, if you under eat
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protein, you'll overeat carbs, if you under eat salt, you'll overeat sugar.
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If you under eat real food, you're overeat junk food.
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And, and it's like, Oh, I, I should not have these things.
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And then it's a hell of a lot easier to avoid junk food when you're eating real food.
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Um, and so maybe that's a, that's a thought for you, um, as you dial in, uh, your nutrition
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If I believe correctly, like last time I saw him at a main event, the guy's like shredded.
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So I'm like, I don't even, you know, um, apparently, uh, you have no idea who you're
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So, um, all right, so a big couple of call outs, you know, um, join us on Facebook.
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And that's order of man.com slash battle ready.
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