Order of Man - Challenging Polls, Cherishing Legacies, and Embracing Personal Growth ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

00:00:00.000 There is no growth in easy.

00:00:03.200 There's no growth in the familiar.

00:00:05.280 There's no growth in a pleasant, exciting, fun all the time.

00:00:10.520 That's not where growth is.

00:00:13.280 Growth is in and on the backside of difficult challenges.

00:00:18.320 And is it bad?

00:00:20.200 Only if we make it bad.

00:00:21.780 Only if we decide, well, it shouldn't be this way.

00:00:24.280 We're naive.

00:00:26.240 Absolutely, it's difficult.

00:00:27.620 And that's where you grow.

00:00:31.000 You're a man of action.

00:00:32.680 You live life to the fullest.

00:00:34.140 Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:37.080 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:41.520 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:46.600 This is your life.

00:00:47.680 This is who you are.

00:00:49.100 This is who you will become.

00:00:50.820 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:55.780 Sean, it's always a pleasure to record an AMA with you, sir.

00:01:01.060 How are you doing?

00:01:02.000 Great.

00:01:02.560 Good morning.

00:01:03.740 Good to be with you, as always.

00:01:06.580 Yeah.

00:01:07.060 It's good times.

00:01:08.060 We mix it up.

00:01:08.880 Today, we're going to field questions, actually, from the brothers of the Iron Council.

00:01:14.820 And shout out to those guys.

00:01:17.300 When I looked over these questions yesterday, I was like, we got some solid questions today.

00:01:23.040 And I'm pretty excited about covering these with you.

00:01:25.660 And in fact, when I was reading them last night, I was like, well, how would Sean reply

00:01:31.060 to this question?

00:01:31.800 And it's kind of funny because you start learning, I don't know, you know this as much as me.

00:01:39.260 You know Ryan's response, actually, after a while.

00:01:42.760 You know his response to almost every question.

00:01:46.260 And then he starts repeating stories.

00:01:48.660 And I do it, too.

00:01:50.100 I'm not criticizing him.

00:01:52.700 But we have a lot of conversations around a lot of things.

00:01:56.020 And guys ask a lot of similar questions.

00:01:58.200 And we try to mix it up.

00:02:01.040 But if it's the right answer, it's the right answer, right?

00:02:03.800 Yeah.

00:02:05.100 So anyhow, so before you get into those questions, Sean, you got a headline for us, sir?

00:02:11.380 It's less of a headline.

00:02:12.940 And I mean, I guess it's a headlining topic.

00:02:16.280 But I wanted to kind of turn it into a question that we can have a little fun with.

00:02:20.900 Because it's funny, we were just talking before you hit the record.

00:02:24.060 You're like, I'm just kind of sick of the noise, right?

00:02:25.880 And I think everybody is.

00:02:28.780 Any election year, especially as you get into October, November, it just gets ridiculous.

00:02:36.840 It's so much.

00:02:37.460 Like, there's not enough already.

00:02:39.020 But my headline I thought of was, I'm watching a lot of people argue about the polls, right?

00:02:45.840 I mean, they're arguing about everything.

00:02:47.360 But the polls are a funny one to me.

00:02:49.320 So my question is, when it comes to the polls, do you even believe any of them?

00:02:55.880 No, no, no, absolutely not.

00:03:01.500 And it's like, and we know this from statistics, we know this from running businesses, you can

00:03:07.480 make stats and reports mean anything you want them to mean.

00:03:12.300 You omit a little bit here, you sample only certain groups, and all of a sudden, it ends

00:03:18.360 up aligning perfectly to what the message is that you want to put out, right?

00:03:22.400 And that's really what we're talking about here, I'm assuming.

00:03:26.100 Yeah.

00:03:26.520 And the reason I chose this was not just, I mean, it'll be a little quicker than normal,

00:03:32.900 I think, which is nice.

00:03:34.020 We can get into the questions.

00:03:35.220 But it's just another example to me.

00:03:39.020 You mentioned the noise.

00:03:40.640 People get so, I've never, ever paid attention to the polls because I just don't care.

00:03:46.220 Because I'm going to vote the way I'm going to vote regardless.

00:03:50.700 So who cares what might happen, right?

00:03:53.220 Like that, to me, that doesn't sway me either way.

00:03:57.200 I'm not interested in the what might be's.

00:04:01.380 I'm only interested in what I can control and what I can do now, what's within my power

00:04:06.260 to make the biggest impact possible.

00:04:08.420 And what might happen is literally no concern of mine.

00:04:12.380 And that's in every part of my life.

00:04:14.100 So I think that's more why I brought it up was just during this time, there is so much

00:04:18.920 noise.

00:04:19.900 I think it's most important for us to focus on what we can control, what we can do, who

00:04:25.580 we're going to vote for, why, how informed we are, you know, all of these things.

00:04:30.800 And, um, and, and then after November, whoever does get elected, um, then carry on with their

00:04:41.020 lives and still control it.

00:04:42.440 Cause it doesn't matter whether it's Kamala or Trump.

00:04:45.700 And by the way, as I said that, I think this is one of the most important, they say that

00:04:49.260 every four years, this is the most important election of our generation.

00:04:53.320 Yeah.

00:04:54.360 This, I think this is though.

00:04:55.840 I think this really is.

00:04:56.900 I think it's a very important one.

00:04:58.720 Um, and I think the team that, that Trump has put together.

00:05:02.860 Yeah.

00:05:03.300 But continue your thought, because what you're going to say is profound.

00:05:06.140 You believe this is one of the most important elections of all time and what?

00:05:12.580 And because of that, I'm going to be as informed as I can.

00:05:17.640 I'm going to vote for who I'm going to vote for.

00:05:19.740 I'm already, I've already decided.

00:05:21.120 And by the way, as I say that, and I'll, I'll say, I'm willing to say who I was voting

00:05:28.300 for, who I'm voting for, but I was voting for RFK.

00:05:32.240 If I'm being totally honest, I mean, that's who I was on board with.

00:05:35.600 That's who I aligned with mostly.

00:05:38.180 Um, cause I thought this stuff he would do would have the greatest impact, you know, on

00:05:44.320 our country, on our health, on our kids, on the, you know, the things he's taking a stance

00:05:48.520 on, and, uh, once he jumped on Trump's team and then Tulsi and then Vivek and then Elon

00:05:55.500 Musk.

00:05:55.860 And I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:05:57.780 It's like a no brainer.

00:05:59.380 Like this is literally like, like the, you know, the dream team from the Olympics in 1990,

00:06:07.120 whatever that was, you know, in basketball is going to play like some middle school basketball

00:06:12.840 team as far as I'm concerned.

00:06:14.260 Right.

00:06:14.640 So I'm, I'm going to be voting that way.

00:06:18.580 And my vote this, you know, right now is different than it was going to be a month ago, you know,

00:06:24.280 and a month and a half ago.

00:06:26.340 And, um, but the polls don't sway that nothing sways that.

00:06:31.060 And I'm decided in that there'd have to be something really major to sway me at this point,

00:06:37.240 but it's not going to be the polls.

00:06:39.540 It's not going to be what I see on the news.

00:06:42.440 It's not going to be, I will continue to listen to podcasts of the people that are making an

00:06:48.920 impact.

00:06:49.280 So I've been trying to listen to more podcasts, right?

00:06:53.520 I'm right now in the middle of listening to one, the Sean Ryan show, Tulsi Gabbard, um,

00:06:58.360 listening to that, listening to as much as I can, that RFK is on.

00:07:02.940 Um, I listened to less of the ones that Trump is on, if I'm being honest, because he just

00:07:09.600 says the same things and he's not saying things, just hammering into the opposition.

00:07:14.700 You know, I don't need that.

00:07:16.040 You know, I want to know what they're going to be doing.

00:07:18.460 So I like, listen to that.

00:07:20.060 I listened to one with Vivek.

00:07:21.120 I listened to a couple with Elon Musk and I'm on board.

00:07:24.580 Like the stuff they have ready to roll is insane and how good it is.

00:07:30.100 And the fact that Trump's going to let him do it according to what he says, um, is, uh,

00:07:37.260 I'm on board with, right.

00:07:38.440 And so I'm going to focus on what I can control in between and after regardless.

00:07:44.000 Yeah.

00:07:44.520 And what does that say about you?

00:07:48.740 If, if understanding what the popular vote is sways, what you do.

00:07:54.440 Um, like, I'm sorry, but yeah, you, you gotta be centering your decisions on something way

00:08:01.680 more than what other people are doing.

00:08:03.120 Right.

00:08:03.560 And, and, you know, obviously our audience probably isn't that group that needs to hear

00:08:08.400 that message.

00:08:09.660 Um, I'm sure we're very much aligned that, um, that shouldn't be driving what we do.

00:08:14.860 Um, by the way, did you hear?

00:08:16.860 So officially Trump is, I don't know what the date is, um, but is going on Rogan.

00:08:22.200 Oh, insane.

00:08:24.120 I heard this yesterday.

00:08:25.660 I'll listen to that one for sure.

00:08:27.120 Yeah.

00:08:27.340 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:28.560 So I'm kind of excited.

00:08:30.600 I like that too.

00:08:31.420 Cause you know, Rogan will pander too.

00:08:33.820 Exactly.

00:08:34.660 Yeah.

00:08:35.320 Yeah.

00:08:35.760 It'll be great.

00:08:36.840 So, all right, man, well, let's get into, to, um, our questions.

00:08:42.340 Uh, so our first question from the iron council is from Adam Lewis, uh, kind of weird to read

00:08:47.180 a question for myself here, but he says mostly for kit.

00:08:49.500 Uh, and you'll get the breath of the Sean and I still want to hear your thoughts.

00:08:53.320 He says, you talk about how you remember Asia's grandmother with your children to the point

00:08:58.080 that they feel they know her.

00:09:00.060 What things did you use to accomplish that with my mother passing before even getting to

00:09:04.820 meet my son?

00:09:05.660 It is something I want to work forward, uh, forward with.

00:09:09.720 And so what Adam is alluding to is, and I've made this comment on the podcast over the years

00:09:14.900 that, that my wife's grandmother, uh, Meme, which is French for grandma, um, is very much

00:09:23.160 alive, uh, in her family and she, her legacy lives on because they have continued to make sure

00:09:32.220 that her legacy lives on.

00:09:33.780 And, and so what things, and Adam, you're giving me too much credit.

00:09:38.600 Like, what have you done?

00:09:39.700 I haven't done crap, uh, to be honest with you.

00:09:43.120 I think personally, my wife had such a great relationship with her, admired her as a woman

00:09:50.900 so much.

00:09:52.300 Um, in fact, her journal, her grandmother's journal is on her dresser.

00:09:58.180 And it's not uncommon that I will see her flip it open that journal and read a couple pages

00:10:04.760 from her grandmother and share those passages and those thoughts and those feelings that her

00:10:13.620 grandma had in that moment on that particular day.

00:10:17.180 And it's kind of interesting too.

00:10:18.580 What she'll do is she'll go to the date that matches today's date and where was she, right?

00:10:25.920 What, what was she struggling with and what was the thing and, or whatever.

00:10:30.120 And, and so I'd say she has stayed connected with her and through that she's allowed our

00:10:36.340 kids to be connected with her.

00:10:37.840 I think the other thing is there's traditions that we do during Christmas time that they've

00:10:42.640 always done with their grandma other, uh, ever since they were little girls.

00:10:48.200 And so they sing some Christmas songs in French that they've always sung every Christmas I've

00:10:55.100 ever known them.

00:10:55.880 They did it when they're little girls, their dad plays the piano, like they used to do with

00:11:01.240 their, with their meme.

00:11:02.540 And then I think the other thing is the sharing of the stories, right?

00:11:05.860 My daughters had the opportunity in their school to do like a showcase highlight around, 1.00

00:11:11.800 I think it was around world war two.

00:11:13.760 Um, and because of Asia's grandmother living through that, um, and actually their town around

00:11:23.400 Strasbourg got overran by the, by the Nazis. 0.67

00:11:26.980 I mean, she was literally on her way to a camp when, when, um, when the Americans like saved

00:11:35.040 them.

00:11:35.500 So she lived through this, right?

00:11:39.320 Her, I think her husband, um, no, no, her, her parents, her dad was underground Nazi that

00:11:51.160 got, had to be forced to go to become a Nazi and then ended up going underground and fighting

00:11:56.360 against that.

00:11:56.880 Like just these rich stories that are just amazing.

00:12:00.160 And my daughter had a chance to like showcase her grandma in, in a school report around

00:12:05.920 this.

00:12:06.320 And, and you might all be listening to this and like, oh my gosh, well, it's because

00:12:09.840 she's such an amazing person.

00:12:11.340 And the question to that is absolutely.

00:12:13.400 It's because she's amazing person, which then sets the tone of, well, are we being amazing

00:12:19.720 and what are we doing to, to, to have a legacy worth referencing right on our personal

00:12:26.900 level now, specifically to your question, Adam and your mom passing him in my condolences,

00:12:33.360 by the way, with your mom passing away, but don't let her leave.

00:12:39.440 What is it that made your mom amazing?

00:12:42.140 And, and if maybe you have a journal, maybe you don't, if, if you don't have a journal

00:12:46.300 from her, you journal it, right?

00:12:48.460 All the memories that you have about your mom and write about what an amazing woman she

00:12:54.560 was and what she did for you and all those things, write them down.

00:12:58.120 So you don't forget them and then share them and talk about them and, and, and bring her

00:13:04.320 up constantly in the conversations because you know, as much as I know, does your mom

00:13:09.320 love your kids?

00:13:10.200 Absolutely.

00:13:10.600 She does let them know that she loves them, even though she's not there with them.

00:13:15.440 That that's what my recommendations would be.

00:13:17.740 Um, that's funny that you went, uh, both places I was going to go and at least bring

00:13:23.980 up was, um, just the legacy.

00:13:26.760 It makes you think about the legacy that you're leaving when you're trying to, I guess you

00:13:32.020 can say, prepare that for somebody else and, uh, making sure that you're worthy of somebody,

00:13:39.220 you know, keeping your memory alive at some point.

00:13:42.680 Um, but the, the one other thing I thought of is before my mom passed, I bought a couple

00:13:52.180 of these books that you can buy that basically have a bunch of different questions, um, that

00:13:58.140 maybe you never asked.

00:13:59.520 Yeah.

00:14:00.020 Like never, maybe you never asked when you were, you know, growing up or whatever about

00:14:04.620 her childhood and how she grew up and different struggles and different things and, you know,

00:14:09.880 that kind of stuff.

00:14:10.740 And if you get one of those books, um, now the funny thing is I bought a couple of those

00:14:16.140 things and, uh, it, I bought one where it's like, I filled out a bunch of stuff.

00:14:20.820 She, she was supposed to fill out a bunch of stuff and she never did it, you know, but 0.72

00:14:25.880 the exercise of me doing that made me remember so many things about her that I wouldn't have

00:14:30.960 on my own or stories that I'd kind of forgotten about.

00:14:33.940 And as I started going through that process, just remembered all these things that were

00:14:39.440 worthy of speaking, uh, you know, to my kids about, and, um, and, and some of those memories

00:14:47.640 that I wanted to keep alive about her that I, uh, loved about her and, and cherished about

00:14:52.900 her.

00:14:53.600 And, um, and so maybe grabbing one of those books, um, you were talking about journaling,

00:15:00.140 and, but outside of journaling, if you're looking for something that's going to prompt

00:15:03.560 you to, you know, some memories and some things like that, grab one of those.

00:15:07.880 I think it's worth the buy, um, to go through it.

00:15:12.020 And obviously, even though you can't go through it together to give you those promptings and

00:15:17.000 to get it on paper, uh, so that you can have it and pass it.

00:15:21.140 Well, and another thing that you could do is, I mean, isn't it quite ironic that the things

00:15:28.180 that become important to us are, and, and even Ryan mentions this sometimes around the

00:15:33.000 importance of the questions we ask and, and what questions have we asked, right?

00:15:40.040 What, what, what kind of young man was my dad?

00:15:43.120 You know, what, what did he struggle with?

00:15:45.760 What was his ambitions, right?

00:15:48.560 And it's funny because some of those things I never knew as a kid, because I, I, I stopped

00:15:53.540 learning about who he was as a man because he was my dad.

00:15:57.340 And I had him in a corner and we do that a lot, by the way, we stopped learning about

00:16:01.880 people.

00:16:03.080 And as I got older, there's things I learned about my dad.

00:16:06.160 I was like, what?

00:16:07.040 No way.

00:16:08.480 You know, like one of my, one of my uncles mentioned, I think it was that like, oh, like

00:16:13.740 your dad would go water skiing all the time.

00:16:15.520 I'm like my dad on a water ski.

00:16:17.880 Are you joking?

00:16:19.180 Like, because we are not a fun family where we're a work family, right?

00:16:23.360 You, you want to get to know your dad, you'd have to work.

00:16:26.700 We never did things fun with him.

00:16:28.320 And to find out he had fun, I was like, are you sure you're talking about my father?

00:16:34.020 Right.

00:16:34.320 And, and, and so it's just entry, interesting.

00:16:37.380 And so, you know, maybe your mom has siblings still alive.

00:16:42.740 What questions you have about her that you've never always wondered about.

00:16:47.920 Right.

00:16:48.320 And, and maybe seek those out if you're capable and, and you'd come to find out you, there's

00:16:52.920 probably even more amazing things about our parents that we never even realized.

00:16:58.440 Because we're so self-centered.

00:16:59.900 I mean, most of us are as children, especially, you know, the world revolves around us.

00:17:03.760 And we, and we, especially when it comes to our parents, we, we stopped learning about

00:17:07.900 them and how, what made them tick when they're younger and all those things.

00:17:11.760 And then I was even thinking, Sean, when you're sharing how simple, and maybe I'm, maybe I

00:17:17.300 shouldn't say this because I'm going to hold myself, I'm going to have to hold myself accountable

00:17:20.180 to this, but how powerful would it be if my grandkids had a letter from me when I was,

00:17:29.880 when I'm dead, I'd write a letter to my grandkids today.

00:17:33.300 I don't even have any grandkids, but what I'd want my grandson to know, what I'd want my

00:17:39.820 granddaughters to know, how hard is it for me to write that, store that away somewhere

00:17:45.720 and they have something from me?

00:17:48.440 Not hard.

00:17:50.380 And it'd probably be really powerful.

00:17:52.800 In fact, I think it would be amazing, right?

00:17:55.520 If I had that.

00:17:56.340 And maybe it's three letters, a letter for when they turn eight and get baptized, a letter

00:18:00.920 for when they're 12 or 13, a letter for when they get married from me, from their grandfather.

00:18:06.400 You know, I get, what a great idea, you know, and it, and it wouldn't be that hard for us

00:18:12.580 to do.

00:18:14.500 It is.

00:18:15.240 I like it.

00:18:16.380 Cool, man.

00:18:17.280 All right.

00:18:17.800 Eric Gutierrez, what had been the crucial part to your personal growth?

00:18:24.820 Um, it, when I saw this one, obviously you have a lot of different things that you think

00:18:35.480 about.

00:18:35.800 And I was like, what was the, the most critical?

00:18:38.980 And honestly, I think the most critical was, uh, knowing what I want when it comes down to

00:18:48.440 it is figuring out, I mean, every book that I've read and, and to me, the most important

00:18:53.860 one for, for my personal growth early on, um, when I started getting into that world was

00:19:00.240 thinking grow rich by Napoleon Hill.

00:19:02.480 Um, I think that one had the deepest impact because it, it laid out an outline for how to

00:19:09.040 lay out your plan, you know, for what you want, but just the thought of what you want

00:19:15.580 in the first place and not only to have, to want it, but in that book, Napoleon Hill calls

00:19:22.900 it having a red hot burning desire for whatever that is.

00:19:27.240 I think that was the most important part because if it's not important enough, and if you don't

00:19:32.980 want it bad enough, um, you're not going to stick with that development.

00:19:38.900 You're not going to keep going if it's, if it's, if it doesn't push you hard enough.

00:19:44.760 So it's probably a more simple answer than he was expecting, but for me anyways, I don't

00:19:53.880 know if you have a different answer or something deeper, but I think knowing what you want, because

00:20:02.700 otherwise you're drifting, you know?

00:20:05.300 And if you're just drifting, you kind of life can push you whichever way it wants.

00:20:12.620 And when you know what you want, you, you don't allow yourself to drift.

00:20:16.880 You know what I think is profound?

00:20:18.840 And Sean, let me know if you'd agree with this or not.

00:20:21.660 Um, but I think some people might get hung up in what you said, know what you want, because

00:20:26.840 then they're like, well, I don't know what I want.

00:20:28.340 And then it's like, oh, it's the right thing and blah, blah, blah.

00:20:31.820 And, and I feel personally, you're not going to know what you want until you decide on what

00:20:38.360 you want and what you decide may not be right.

00:20:41.000 And it may be wrong, but you decided and, and deciding and going forward will help you

00:20:48.360 identify what you want.

00:20:49.580 If that makes sense.

00:20:50.420 And, and, and, cause I think some of us will, we'll overthink it or overanalyze it.

00:20:54.980 I'm not sure what it is.

00:20:55.980 And we're out, you're not going to know until you start taking action.

00:21:01.540 And, and it's funny too.

00:21:03.240 Like one, one might say that, that my, my financial success has been 100% because I chose the right

00:21:12.580 industry and I have some great connection and talent around technology.

00:21:17.200 And, and the reality of it is, is it's not true.

00:21:21.680 I've been a consultant for over 20 years around technology.

00:21:24.880 It is what I do best, but it's really not the tech that, that allows me to do what I

00:21:31.380 do best.

00:21:31.880 And in fact, it's not even my passion.

00:21:34.560 The tech's not the passion.

00:21:36.180 It's the conduit I use.

00:21:38.540 But what I love is what critically thinking, seeking to understand, solving problems that's

00:21:45.180 available in anything.

00:21:47.740 But I didn't know that was a passion of mine.

00:21:50.500 I didn't know that I had a talent in that space.

00:21:53.540 If it wasn't for me latching onto, oh, I'm going to be a software developer.

00:21:59.920 And I don't even code anymore.

00:22:01.500 I, in fact, I haven't written a line of code for geez, probably 15 years.

00:22:07.160 Like the first five years of my career, I did software development and then I evolved out

00:22:11.680 of it and then I became an architect and then I would like business analyst work and, and

00:22:17.020 other things.

00:22:17.640 But I would have never known that if I just didn't make a decision and go forward.

00:22:23.300 Would you agree with that sentiment and that statement?

00:22:25.840 Absolutely.

00:22:26.960 And I'm glad you brought that up and even clarified more of what I was saying, because

00:22:31.740 that's exactly what I said.

00:22:33.340 But I didn't clarify enough that what I want now is different than what I wanted 25 years

00:22:39.580 ago when I started.

00:22:40.420 You know, I used to want a purple Lamborghini.

00:22:43.320 I used to want a house on the beach.

00:22:46.180 I used to, there's all these things I used to want that I don't want anymore.

00:22:49.760 They're not important.

00:22:50.540 So that's going to evolve.

00:22:52.600 But those things were important enough at one point to push me to be better.

00:22:57.860 And then as I got better, I turned into a different person.

00:23:01.100 As I turned into a different person, different things became important.

00:23:05.200 But I, and then I had to shift.

00:23:07.260 Then I had to be at least cognitive enough to, to realize that I was different and that

00:23:16.640 these things that, and you'll feel it, you'll feel a shift, you'll feel a change where this

00:23:21.960 thing that was so important that it was literally the most driving factor in, in your life, all

00:23:29.160 of a sudden became completely unimportant.

00:23:33.480 I mean, forget about maybe getting like second or third or fifth on your list.

00:23:38.440 It, you might eliminate it completely and that's fine.

00:23:42.280 Accept that.

00:23:42.960 Be ready to pivot when you see that.

00:23:46.160 But if you get in the habit, um, and in the exercise of figuring out what you want and what's

00:23:54.500 going to make you happy and what's going to help you be fulfilled, then, um, that becomes

00:23:59.640 your habit and, uh, and you evolve with it.

00:24:03.780 Yeah, totally.

00:24:04.860 All right.

00:24:05.200 I'm not buying the purple Lamborghini though.

00:24:07.440 High school car you wanted.

00:24:09.700 What did you want?

00:24:10.940 In high school, I wanted a, this is going to sound stupid.

00:24:14.080 I wanted a civic SI hatchback.

00:24:17.740 Ah, I wanted civic HI.

00:24:19.800 I, I wanted, I actually wanted that, or I wanted an Accord 50 series tires, four inch

00:24:28.200 lowering.

00:24:29.180 You know what I mean?

00:24:30.420 That was, that was the car, man.

00:24:33.100 Like I wanted, I look back at it with my, I got an El Camino, which I'm glad because I

00:24:38.600 couldn't imagine not having a truck, you know, like even though an El Camino is not really

00:24:42.860 a truck, you know, it's like half car, half truck.

00:24:45.120 Like it is, you throw stuff in the back of it and, uh, I couldn't imagine my life through

00:24:50.520 high school and everything without it, but that's, yeah, that's, I wanted that hatchback

00:24:54.160 really bad.

00:24:54.880 Dude, I wanted to have that.

00:24:56.280 In fact, I remember not having enough money for that civic hatchback and I was like, man,

00:25:01.960 I gotta, I gotta, I gotta figure out how to make some money, man.

00:25:04.480 It was, it was all about that car.

00:25:06.440 I wanted that car.

00:25:07.640 And, and then the hatchback, I throw about like some 15 inch, maybe some 12 inch subs.

00:25:13.100 Oh yeah.

00:25:13.740 Kyle drivers was, is kind of my brand back in the day.

00:25:17.000 Oh man.

00:25:18.160 You remember the mix, the bass mix tapes there, they're like cassette tapes.

00:25:23.640 That was just all the best bass hits.

00:25:26.740 It was almost like techno before there was techno is really what it was for sure.

00:25:31.900 And, uh, yeah, man.

00:25:33.660 And it would just rattled the car.

00:25:35.280 It sounded like horrible outside the car.

00:25:37.080 Just sound like your car was falling apart.

00:25:38.940 Yeah.

00:25:39.340 But you didn't care.

00:25:40.260 It sounded good.

00:25:40.740 Yeah.

00:25:41.140 Yeah.

00:25:41.960 Yeah.

00:25:42.400 Well, good times.

00:25:43.740 You know, I never answered the question for Eric on personal growth.

00:25:46.920 I think for me, luckily, by the way, for me, um, my father-in-law, when I was young, uh,

00:25:54.740 Rick, he was, um, a Franklin Covey facilitator.

00:25:59.600 Oh, wow.

00:26:00.600 For seven habits.

00:26:02.360 And he poured into me as a young man.

00:26:06.740 And I remember he was like, Hey, we're going to, I'm going to put you through seven habits

00:26:11.280 of highly effective people.

00:26:12.400 And then, then there was like, first things first, most course.

00:26:15.620 Yeah.

00:26:16.020 Yeah.

00:26:16.540 And I don't remember to get my planner.

00:26:19.100 I remember to get on this.

00:26:20.660 I just, it was perfect.

00:26:22.520 I don't know if it was divine from his part, but it was exactly what I needed in that time

00:26:28.160 of my life.

00:26:28.680 And, and what I needed was what systems.

00:26:32.200 Yeah.

00:26:33.160 Kip, you can achieve greatness if you have systems and if you're consistent and operating

00:26:37.620 against those systems, you know, and it, and it has goal setting in there.

00:26:41.840 What's the most important things and what should we focus?

00:26:44.160 What are the big rocks versus a small rocks?

00:26:46.860 And, and it was just, just really perfect timing.

00:26:51.560 Um, and, and it really got me on this path of like, I, it's, it's a reps.

00:26:57.320 Oh, I want to be great at something.

00:26:58.640 Awesome.

00:26:59.280 Just get the reps. 0.99

00:27:00.580 And it, and it's all about how do I get more reps?

00:27:03.300 Not about, am I talented enough?

00:27:05.600 Can I do it?

00:27:06.540 It was never about that.

00:27:08.120 He made it really care to me is what was important and how do I get the reps I need?

00:27:12.320 Um, and it was, and it probably projected my personal growth and development in a way

00:27:19.460 that, um, man, I owe him actually big time for him doing that.

00:27:25.140 Yeah.

00:27:25.580 That's, that's, as you are saying that I, that was going to be my answer to, uh, one of

00:27:33.440 the later questions, like one of the questions further down.

00:27:36.760 So I don't know if you want to just attack that one at the same time.

00:27:40.220 What was it?

00:27:41.300 Chris Kroon.

00:27:43.100 Chris, let me jump over to it.

00:27:45.000 All right.

00:27:45.300 Chris Kroon, uh, when you were first learning how to develop consistency in your life intentionally,

00:27:51.800 what was your first big hurdle and how do you remember how you got over it?

00:27:56.700 How do you look back at that hurdle having become the man you are today?

00:28:01.320 Good question, Chris.

00:28:02.960 Great question.

00:28:03.540 And my answer is my biggest hurdle was being organized, uh, having a plan.

00:28:09.560 Like I was all over the place.

00:28:12.060 Whatever, however you feel.

00:28:13.660 I was drifting.

00:28:14.740 Yeah.

00:28:14.920 It was like, whatever you get home, it's like grab a six pack of beer on the way home,

00:28:19.760 you know, kind of as I'm drinking that, like friends would call or I'd call them and then

00:28:24.380 you figure out what you're going to do the rest of that day or night or whatever.

00:28:27.440 Right.

00:28:27.800 And it was like, there was no real plan.

00:28:30.860 You just kind of drifted around.

00:28:32.320 Even my job, I would go into my job and I was working in the studios and every morning I'd

00:28:37.680 go four or 5am and get my tentative schedule for the day.

00:28:40.660 I could be working a four hour day or a 14 hour day day to day and whatever tentative schedule

00:28:49.780 I had the day before it usually changed before I got there, you know?

00:28:54.140 And so I didn't really have a life conducive to planning anything.

00:28:57.580 And so, um, that was my biggest hurdle.

00:29:00.660 And I took a first things first course by Covey.

00:29:05.280 And I was fortunate that when I started in my business, they had a deal with Covey at the

00:29:10.640 time, um, where they'd have those facilitators like your uncle who would come in, who would,

00:29:16.180 you know, show us how to be organized and how to plan.

00:29:19.840 And they did the rocks thing and you know, all of that, um, and having that planner and

00:29:25.580 getting a Covey planner and learning how to use it.

00:29:28.300 And then that becoming my habit, um, looking back at that now, everything that I do well

00:29:36.460 in my life with consistency, I can, I can lead back to me getting good at using that planner

00:29:43.440 and being organized in my life and, and having a daily plan.

00:29:48.580 Now it's the battle plan.

00:29:50.480 Like I, I used everything I learned from there and the battle plan I like better because of

00:29:55.780 your daily tactics for those things.

00:30:00.000 And, um, it, I mean, everything now, all of my good habits started with getting efficient

00:30:08.840 at that.

00:30:10.380 Totally.

00:30:10.560 Is that funny?

00:30:11.500 Like I still today, like I am so, let me say it this way.

00:30:15.020 I am so opinionated around the planning process and task management process that I learned

00:30:23.560 in the early days of Covey that I have been angry at most task management tools because

00:30:30.760 I'm like, nope, it doesn't work.

00:30:32.460 Nope.

00:30:32.820 Doesn't work for me.

00:30:33.780 Not exactly how I need it.

00:30:35.440 Like nothing.

00:30:37.320 Let me say it this way.

00:30:38.300 And this sounds crazy to say.

00:30:40.220 And so if someone's in a technology space and you want my opinion, I'm more than willing

00:30:44.400 to share this with you.

00:30:45.200 Okay.

00:30:45.900 But they have completely failed in this space.

00:30:50.300 The, the original Palm pilot version of the task management software related to Franklin

00:30:57.500 Covey was the most superior task management tooling ever.

00:31:01.480 And since then it has fallen to the wayside and, and has never been duplicated ever since.

00:31:07.960 And, and to this day, the tools I use, I still use my battle planner for my dailies, but when

00:31:12.860 I talk about task management, identify my roles, I have a master task list.

00:31:17.260 I pull from my master task list.

00:31:19.040 I assigned it to the appropriate A1, B1, B2, C1.

00:31:23.320 Like I, I have makeshifted my version of the old system still to this day into how I manage

00:31:32.060 my tasks.

00:31:32.760 It's crazy.

00:31:34.400 That's hilarious.

00:31:35.320 It was such an imprint into my life.

00:31:37.040 Yeah.

00:31:37.260 We, we made a planner for our, one of our businesses, our coaching business.

00:31:44.080 We made a planner for that business, our happy and strong business.

00:31:47.740 And, um, it was the foundation of that same thing came from Covey, you know, and then little

00:31:55.200 things that were a little more intricate, like specifically for our other business, our

00:32:00.300 financial business and stuff to kind of coincide the two.

00:32:03.900 Um, but it was all on that foundation.

00:32:06.480 Like everything you're saying, it's so funny.

00:32:08.720 It's incorporated into that.

00:32:10.460 And, uh, I mean, could you even imagine trying to live your life like weekly, daily without

00:32:17.720 that, having that in front of you, you know, and, and keeping you on task.

00:32:23.080 Totally.

00:32:23.640 And what's, what's, uh, what's Andy Brazil's power list, a version of it.

00:32:27.800 What, like they're all just like built upon.

00:32:31.700 In fact, I was talking with Asia last night about how foundational Covey's stuff was back

00:32:37.980 in the day and how much of things today are just built upon that system.

00:32:42.680 Like I I've been reading the book, traction built upon that system for disciplines, execution

00:32:48.060 built upon that system, right?

00:32:49.960 EOS built upon this system.

00:32:51.360 It, it, it was so foundational and disruptive and valuable that, that it's still even valuable

00:32:58.720 today.

00:32:59.080 It's just called a hundred different things.

00:33:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:01.940 There's one thing before we move on from Chris's question that I think was kind of profound.

00:33:06.120 And I, I am saying with you, um, Sean, like all those consistency was systems and discipline

00:33:11.680 around the systems.

00:33:12.620 The only other thing that I'd add that was a big learning is consistently.

00:33:20.720 I have been unreasonable with myself.

00:33:25.720 Most of my biggest breakthroughs were times in my life where I went, I don't know how I'm

00:33:31.620 going to do it, but I'm going to, I'll find a way.

00:33:36.280 And I didn't, I, I was just unreasonable.

00:33:39.300 Like the average person would have been, there's no way you can't, you can't work this IT job

00:33:45.680 full-time and finish school full-time.

00:33:47.960 You can't do 21 credit hours.

00:33:50.180 You can't pull that off or you shouldn't go out and start your own consulting firm.

00:33:56.100 You were making great money working for corporate America.

00:33:59.600 Why would you do that?

00:34:00.660 Right?

00:34:00.820 Like there are all these little moments where my thought was, I don't exactly know how I'm

00:34:06.300 going to pull it off, but I'm going to run with it and I'm going to find a way.

00:34:11.600 And that has been really critical to me, critical for me and my progress over the years is sometimes

00:34:18.180 being okay, not knowing the answer, feeling a little scared about it.

00:34:22.260 And not only a little scared, it's also really exciting.

00:34:25.100 Like sometimes when I do something stupid, like, Oh, I'm going to do this.

00:34:30.100 I I'm kind of, maybe it's just me, but I get all excited about it as well.

00:34:35.620 And then I find a way.

00:34:37.660 Yeah.

00:34:38.520 So.

00:34:39.700 Yeah.

00:34:40.060 Well, I don't, I wouldn't say everybody finds a way, but everybody gets excited about stuff.

00:34:45.560 Yeah.

00:34:46.200 And it's usually in that space of being a little bit, and I know it's a plan word on words,

00:34:50.880 but it's being unreasonable.

00:34:53.020 Let's do something a little crazy here.

00:34:55.280 Yeah.

00:34:55.720 And there's some fun in that.

00:34:58.140 Oh, definitely.

00:34:59.480 You know, and that's some people's challenge.

00:35:02.840 That's some people's advice is that they get too excited about too many things too often.

00:35:08.820 And then they're not consistent.

00:35:09.820 They don't focus on anything.

00:35:11.240 Yeah.

00:35:11.880 Yeah.

00:35:12.140 Yeah.

00:35:12.580 It's a combination of the two.

00:35:14.020 I like that.

00:35:14.800 I like that.

00:35:15.280 All right, George Sykes, how do you let go of the person you used to be in order to

00:35:21.840 become the man of God you're called to be?

00:35:25.120 I feel like I'm being pulled in two different directions.

00:35:28.180 One is easy and familiar, but leads to loneliness and sadness.

00:35:32.120 The other is difficult and unknown.

00:35:34.840 I can't seem to fully embrace the difficult and the unknown, and it's driving me nuts.

00:35:39.800 I can take two steps forward and three steps back.

00:35:42.600 Then another four steps forward and then steps back.

00:35:47.300 I need help.

00:35:49.440 You know, when I read this, my biggest thought was, George, it sounds like you're on track,

00:35:58.420 dude.

00:35:59.060 Like when you were saying, when you said I was unreasonable with myself, my thought when

00:36:07.220 you first said that is that you set too high of an expectation for yourself, and then when

00:36:15.960 you don't hit it, you know, you feel like you're failing, you know, and that's where

00:36:21.420 I thought you were going to go with that.

00:36:22.880 You went somewhere entirely different, but that was the thought that I had when you said

00:36:26.700 unreasonable.

00:36:27.180 And I think that's what George is doing here is maybe his expectation of who he's supposed

00:36:32.620 to be because he now knows what he wants is, uh, and, and I think that happens to everybody

00:36:41.100 in any goal that you set for yourself.

00:36:43.260 You come up with this goal, okay, I'm going to do this.

00:36:45.380 I'm going to start this business.

00:36:46.300 I'm going to do this.

00:36:47.160 And we have these false expectations of what we should do in the first year, the first

00:36:52.760 five years, the first 10 years, the first month, you know, or whatever it is.

00:36:56.900 And when we don't hit those expectations, we feel like we failed.

00:37:01.900 And that's why most people give up on their businesses.

00:37:04.320 That's why most people fail in business.

00:37:06.300 That's why the, you know, the numbers are so high with people not doing it.

00:37:09.760 It's mainly because that expectation wasn't met.

00:37:13.520 And we have to get rid of these expectations for where we're supposed to be and anchor to

00:37:23.660 our growth in process and, and our process is being firm and sound and getting us results.

00:37:36.140 It doesn't have to be all of the results that we want right away, but as long as we're getting

00:37:41.320 better, we're on track and you're going to backslide and you're going to, you know, and

00:37:47.760 again, I I'm kind of relating this to business, but any part of your life, let's talk about

00:37:51.660 being a man of God.

00:37:52.900 I mean, I look at today, I, I, I chose to follow a path in my church and, and, and my faith.

00:38:03.560 Um, and, and, and accept Jesus as my savior, um, now 23 years ago, almost.

00:38:13.040 And, um, in December, it'll be 23 years.

00:38:17.080 And I am completely different.

00:38:23.700 I'm a completely different human than I was those 23 years ago.

00:38:29.160 And then me just being on the path of being in my business made me a better human than

00:38:34.140 I was even, you know, two years prior to that.

00:38:37.560 And it's so, it's like terrifying thinking of how different I was back then, how I thought

00:38:44.280 I was good.

00:38:45.040 And I was not a good guy, you know, how I thought I was, you know, trustworthy and upstanding

00:38:51.180 and all these things.

00:38:52.060 And I just wasn't even close.

00:38:54.820 And, and if I had the expectation that I was going to be who I am today, but that was going

00:39:01.960 to happen within a year or two or even five, um, that was a false expectation.

00:39:07.540 Now in saying that as different as I am, I still haven't completely let go of who I am.

00:39:16.200 Right.

00:39:16.740 I mean, like when people attach this stuff to scripture, they think of, uh, I think a lot

00:39:20.840 of people think of Paul, right.

00:39:22.280 And, and I think of the transformation from Saul to Paul, I mean, he even changed his name,

00:39:27.900 right?

00:39:28.120 Like he, he was literally a new man in Christ.

00:39:32.320 And, um, and it doesn't mean that all of Saul was gone in him, you know, like you, we all

00:39:42.760 have tendencies and we all have weaknesses and we all have these things that we're born

00:39:46.840 with that you can't entirely get rid of.

00:39:49.500 And, and I thought of this actually this week I was building as this, uh, deck slash tree

00:39:56.140 house thing with my boys over fall break.

00:39:58.460 And, uh, I left my 14 year old to be in charge of music, you know, on our, on our little boom

00:40:06.440 boxing or Bluetooth thing out there that was playing music.

00:40:08.680 And he was playing all this stuff.

00:40:09.760 He started out with like his mumble rap stuff that he likes to listen to.

00:40:13.660 And, uh, and then that transitioned into like nineties hip hop, you know, and, and, and

00:40:20.380 then it transitioned into the stuff I used to listen to with my dad and my stepdad on

00:40:24.780 construction sites, you know, which is like journey and Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith and ACDC

00:40:30.960 and all these, you know, like, like the classic rock stuff.

00:40:33.820 But it was so funny because I was singing along it's once the night nineties hip hop

00:40:41.440 stuff started coming up, I'm singing all these songs and I'm like remembering how in high

00:40:47.640 school, now these were all the clean versions of these songs and I can't even sing the original

00:40:53.220 versions anymore.

00:40:54.040 And I used to sing them word for word.

00:40:55.740 And now here I am, I'm singing along with them, but I'm replacing all the dirty words with

00:40:59.660 clean ones, you know, and, uh, but I still like, I I'm not detaching who I was when I used to listen

00:41:09.320 to that stuff and the crazy things I used to do at that time in my life.

00:41:14.640 I'm not trying to forget that it existed.

00:41:17.400 I'm not trying to bury it completely.

00:41:20.740 You know, I can still, the fun parts of that part of my life, I can still enjoy and kind of

00:41:29.520 remember, but also like that builds me up because I remember how far I've come.

00:41:36.860 Yeah.

00:41:37.420 And I'm so grateful for that.

00:41:39.540 So instead of just trying to completely ditch it, you just embrace like, Hey, I have these

00:41:44.840 parts about me.

00:41:45.640 I can still embrace them and I can still be a man of God.

00:41:48.120 I can be a good example.

00:41:49.880 I can continue to grow.

00:41:51.760 And some of us, it's going to move faster than others.

00:41:54.800 And some are going to be slower, but the bottom line is growth, you know?

00:42:00.140 And so the fact that he said, I, I take steps forward and then I slip back and then I forward

00:42:05.220 and dude, you're on track.

00:42:08.120 It's to me, it sounds like anyways, it's what do you think?

00:42:11.880 The analogy I use you're, you're in it.

00:42:15.780 You're absolutely in it.

00:42:17.740 I feel like I'm being pulled in two different ways.

00:42:20.420 It's not easy.

00:42:22.000 The easy pulls me and the difficult seems unknown.

00:42:27.220 You're in it.

00:42:28.780 And guess where you grow?

00:42:31.220 When you're in it.

00:42:32.560 Yeah.

00:42:34.380 You're, you're exactly where you should be.

00:42:36.420 And absolutely.

00:42:37.540 You're going to be pulled in different ways.

00:42:39.760 Absolutely.

00:42:40.240 You will.

00:42:41.160 That means you're about something.

00:42:44.120 This is, this is one thing that, that is so critical this past weekend.

00:42:48.320 I had the chance to do a, a facilitated class with a bunch of youth around self-resilience.

00:42:55.480 And if I had to summarize the lesson that I hope that they would walk away with is we

00:43:01.960 need to normalize the difficulty.

00:43:07.220 Absolutely.

00:43:07.740 It's difficult.

00:43:08.600 And that's where you grow.

00:43:10.680 There is no growth in easy.

00:43:13.740 There's no growth in the familiar.

00:43:15.580 There's no growth in a pleasant, exciting, fun all the time.

00:43:21.060 That's not where growth is.

00:43:23.680 Growth is in and on the backside of difficult challenges.

00:43:29.820 And is it bad?

00:43:31.820 Only if we make it bad.

00:43:33.380 Only if we decide, well, it shouldn't be this way.

00:43:36.020 We're naive.

00:43:38.140 Right?

00:43:38.500 George, God wants you to be the best version of yourself.

00:43:41.940 You are being ignorant if you think it's possible to be there without difficulty and challenge.

00:43:50.860 And that's why not everyone is willing to level up and become the best versions of themselves

00:43:57.540 because it's not easy.

00:43:59.800 But there is no growth any other way.

00:44:01.960 And so I agree with Sean.

00:44:03.580 You're in it.

00:44:04.400 It's awesome.

00:44:05.440 It's perfect.

00:44:06.340 Try not.

00:44:08.460 Be in it.

00:44:10.660 And don't make it wrong that you're having difficulty and doing difficult things.

00:44:17.660 Embrace the suck. 1.00

00:44:19.380 Don't make the suck necessarily bad.

00:44:25.560 All right.

00:44:26.400 Noah McLaughlin.

00:44:28.880 How do you better pinpoint and discern when you're tuning in or tuning out?

00:44:35.520 And how can we better use our surroundings as a guide for what signs, sounds, and soundtracks

00:44:40.860 are serving us and what's not serving us?

00:44:47.820 Sorry.

00:44:48.380 Can you repeat it?

00:44:49.120 I wasn't paying attention.

00:44:51.060 A poetic question by Noah, man.

00:44:53.700 So how do you better pinpoint and discern?

00:44:54.860 I'm just kidding.

00:44:55.400 I'm just kidding.

00:44:56.000 That was a joke.

00:44:56.580 Yeah.

00:44:57.020 Okay.

00:44:57.420 Got it.

00:44:57.720 I was tuning out.

00:45:00.400 The noise is always there.

00:45:08.020 And so we have our choice every single day.

00:45:13.000 I laughed when I saw this one because I'm so ADD.

00:45:17.780 I'm so all over the place in my thoughts.

00:45:21.580 Um, you know, I constantly am listening to books and podcasts, you know, I, it's rare that I

00:45:29.580 drive around and just like listen to music and, and kind of veg out.

00:45:34.260 Um, I'm generally listening to things to try and be better, but also in saying that probably

00:45:41.040 half the time that I'm listening to these podcasts or books or whatever, they'll mention something.

00:45:46.600 And then my mind drifts and, you know, or it reminds me of something, or I'll even start

00:45:53.160 singing a song in my head and start doing that and not pay attention to what I was listening

00:45:56.960 to, you know?

00:45:58.120 So I drift.

00:45:58.720 And so, um, you know, the, the, because my brain works that way, I think that's also though

00:46:07.960 why I make sure that I place in, in the forefront of my mind all the time, these things, these

00:46:15.440 podcasts, these, you know, like the information that I want to help keep me on track, um, because

00:46:22.020 I can so easily get off track.

00:46:25.040 And so, you know, in, in church yesterday, they were talking, we were, we were all of the

00:46:32.080 men and they were talking about, you know, what, what leads us to, um, to falling away from

00:46:44.360 our faith.

00:46:44.920 What leads us to, you know, uh, uh, a point where we don't believe anymore and my answer

00:46:53.620 and the, you know, I think where we landed as the majority, uh, everybody agreed on is

00:47:01.040 once we stop in the fundamentals, we don't keep spiritual things at the forefront of our

00:47:06.740 mind.

00:47:07.200 We stop praying.

00:47:08.220 We stop reading scripture.

00:47:09.480 We stop attending church.

00:47:11.220 We stop being in holy places.

00:47:12.800 We stop being around people that have spiritual strength that can strengthen us.

00:47:17.580 We stop listening to examples, you know, of people who, who built their own faith.

00:47:23.560 We stop listening to testimonies.

00:47:26.020 We stop bearing our own testimonies.

00:47:27.820 Right.

00:47:28.060 And those like these simple fundamental things, I think everybody's looking for something big,

00:47:32.260 but when we get rid of the fundamentals, then it's, it's easier to slip away.

00:47:38.940 And the less we have in front of us, then the, the faster we're going to slide.

00:47:44.860 And so I think, um, for me, I stopped trying to pinpoint when I'm tuning in or tuning out.

00:47:54.820 And instead I just try and keep more things in front of me constantly to keep me tuned in.

00:48:02.520 And when I do tune out, I'll catch myself.

00:48:05.680 I'm like, Oh man, I, I didn't hear the last 15 minutes of what I was listening to.

00:48:10.080 And sometimes I'll rewind it.

00:48:11.720 Sometimes I don't, I just kind of carry on, but I get back to tuned in.

00:48:16.120 So I think it's less, I'm less concerned with discerning when I am or I'm not.

00:48:22.640 Um, as much as when I do realize that I'm not, I just get back on course, you know, and that does

00:48:31.540 come back to what we were talking about earlier too, with planning and, you know, having a planner

00:48:35.940 and, and making sure that the most important things are getting done.

00:48:40.440 Um, because it's so easy to get distracted with, you know, with kids, with life, with,

00:48:47.860 you know, everything hitting you and, and for you to get off that course.

00:48:52.940 Um, but if you have it in front of you and it's clear and you, you, um, keep the track

00:49:01.200 that you want to be running on in clear sight.

00:49:04.120 Um, then I think it matters less when your focus, it's on or off of those things.

00:49:12.040 Um, as much as once you do realize that you're off, that you jump right back on and you have

00:49:18.400 a clear path to be able to do that.

00:49:20.800 Totally.

00:49:21.620 When I feel what I, to summarize what I'm hearing you say is control your surroundings, right?

00:49:27.520 Just, just it being by being intentional around what you're putting in and what you're tuning

00:49:33.380 into that, that's how you're going to discern better because you're not letting, you're

00:49:38.380 not letting other things dictate your surroundings, right?

00:49:41.680 Whether they provide value or not.

00:49:43.400 The other point that, that I'd like to add for Noah is, is the power of being present.

00:49:49.420 And you alluded to it already, Sean, when you're listening to something and, and sometimes

00:49:54.240 it's good, better, best that that's when this starts getting really difficult, good and

00:50:00.340 bad, that's easy, good, better, best that starts getting really hard.

00:50:04.800 Well, there's this thing I should be doing and it's really important, but is it as important

00:50:09.480 as being with my children and being fully present with them?

00:50:13.560 Is it really as important as my relationship with my loved ones?

00:50:20.120 And, and that's when the decisions start getting more difficult and they start getting muddy.

00:50:25.940 And to that issue, I would say, Noah, be fully present.

00:50:32.000 If you're playing Legos, be the most amazing Lego player with your child.

00:50:38.920 If you're playing in the backyard, be fully there.

00:50:41.880 If you're at work, be fully there, whatever it is, be fully present.

00:50:45.840 If you're having a conversation with someone, don't just listen to their words, seek to

00:50:50.980 understand how they feel, where's their desires, where their frustrations, be fully there.

00:50:58.240 And now we're not wasting the moment.

00:51:00.320 In my opinion, most of us waste the moments by multitasking, by trying, and we're tuning

00:51:06.180 out and in, and we think we can tune in and out and accomplish more.

00:51:10.600 And you're not, you're just doing more things in a very half-assed way.

00:51:14.640 And so be, be fully engaged with whatever it is that you're about.

00:51:20.120 If you don't like your employer and it's not going well, figure out, get piss or get

00:51:25.840 off the pot, right?

00:51:27.000 What are you doing?

00:51:28.380 But if you're going to be there, be an amazing employee.

00:51:31.060 If you're not liking the job and you feel disconnected, then leave or figure, but be all

00:51:37.660 in whatever it is that you're doing.

00:51:40.320 And there's huge value in that mindset.

00:51:42.420 And then if it doesn't work out, then you change your mind later.

00:51:45.680 But until then, go all in.

00:51:48.580 And far too often, we were constantly looking elsewhere.

00:51:52.300 Oh, maybe it's better over here.

00:51:53.940 What's this over there?

00:51:55.120 And we are distracted.

00:51:57.240 And I think, to be honest with you, we're distracted because we're unwilling to really put the effort

00:52:04.420 in where we are.

00:52:05.580 And there are so many opportunities of growth and development with where you are right now.

00:52:11.140 And we're so busy looking at tomorrow that we forget we're living today.

00:52:16.940 You know, as you said that, it's funny that I don't really think much about it, but I realized

00:52:24.940 that as you were saying that, is that, you know, when I talked about listening to podcasts

00:52:30.160 and stuff, I'm very clear on why I'm listening.

00:52:35.200 I don't just listen to 20 different ones to gather more information because I don't need

00:52:40.220 more useless information.

00:52:40.940 I want to gather information that's going to serve me and whatever's the most important

00:52:45.900 to me right now.

00:52:46.720 So like before elk season, guess what?

00:52:50.900 I listened to pretty much 24-7.

00:52:53.800 It was all hunting pods.

00:52:55.500 I mean, it was like I was just listening to tactics and different things and just having

00:52:59.420 it in my brain, everything.

00:53:00.860 Um, you know, the physicality side of it, all of it, just so I could be the most mentally

00:53:07.060 prepared, like put myself in that state of even being there already before I even got

00:53:12.380 there.

00:53:12.800 And as soon as I shot that elk, literally like on the way home, there was, I was into the

00:53:22.300 next things that were like, what was this next month going to hold in store for me?

00:53:27.460 And that was more family driven.

00:53:29.540 So I was listening to more, you know, like the dad edge and, you know, like some of these

00:53:34.180 family podcasts that I like listening to and those things, um, you know, right now,

00:53:39.360 currently it's, I, I, the election's coming up.

00:53:43.220 So like I mentioned, it's, that's what I'm listening to stuff driven on not even the election,

00:53:48.220 but just looking deeper into the policies, the teams that, you know, on either side of

00:53:54.320 the issues and, and listening into that, just so I can be my most informed, but then also

00:54:00.020 I can help with the influence that I have help other people understand those things as

00:54:06.480 well.

00:54:06.920 And so that's what I'm listening to now, you know, and I don't know if I'm going to do

00:54:11.520 it all the way to the election, but right now that's the stuff that's in my brain.

00:54:16.240 And between now and then something else comes up, whether it's in business or whatever,

00:54:20.260 I'm going to shift to that, you know, before podcasts, it was books.

00:54:24.080 It was like, I needed to be a better leader.

00:54:25.960 Then I started reading John Maxwell's books, you know, and, and getting proficient in those

00:54:31.140 things.

00:54:31.540 I, we already mentioned Covey when it was building better habits.

00:54:35.180 That's when I read atomic habits and the power of habit.

00:54:37.860 And that, you know, like these, it, I would read a string of books or topics or podcasts or

00:54:44.100 whatever it is on those things and instead of 20 different books on different subjects.

00:54:52.060 Totally.

00:54:53.020 Well, and it's intentionality.

00:54:54.180 I mean, and what was the average guy do go home, pop on the couch, flip on the channel.

00:54:59.800 They're not even, they don't even, they don't even, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:55:03.780 I got sucked into something.

00:55:05.500 It's like watch football, whatever.

00:55:07.760 Yeah.

00:55:07.960 Yeah.

00:55:08.200 All right.

00:55:10.580 Simon Pratt, what are some effective strategies for making a smooth, successful transition

00:55:15.840 when getting promoted to a new position?

00:55:22.600 Ask questions.

00:55:24.560 Yeah.

00:55:25.240 I mean, I think that's the most important, be willing to ask questions, not, not act like

00:55:32.160 you know everything, um, and be willing to learn and grow into that position.

00:55:38.460 Um, that's the biggest failure I see in my business and, and just in general in the business

00:55:46.180 world is, um, you see too many people with potential that are unwilling to ask the right

00:55:51.580 questions to, to, um, learn.

00:55:56.500 Yeah.

00:55:56.980 To speed up the process too.

00:55:59.220 Right.

00:55:59.620 I mean, it's so much faster and easier to ask and too many people are unwilling to.

00:56:05.500 And, uh, so for me, that's the biggest thing I look for is people that are coachable, you

00:56:11.200 know, willing to learn, willing to ask.

00:56:13.540 What would you say?

00:56:14.560 I mean, you're, you're, you're more embedded in, I guess you could say kind of a corporate

00:56:20.140 environment than I am.

00:56:21.180 Yeah.

00:56:21.860 I see the typical, I mean, the same thing, uh, check your ego, right.

00:56:26.100 You're going to want to, want to step into the menu position and flex and look good and

00:56:30.180 try to impress everybody that doesn't work.

00:56:33.220 Think about all the people that act like that in your life.

00:56:35.600 You're annoyed by them.

00:56:37.360 Um, and so try to watch the ego focus on learning, uh, the ropes, be slow to coach and suggest

00:56:46.360 because you're, you're going to come across overly arrogant.

00:56:49.620 You don't know what you're doing.

00:56:51.080 And then you have an opinion already.

00:56:52.540 You've only been here for a week.

00:56:54.660 I've been in this position for 10 years and you're giving me advice.

00:56:57.860 Are you joking?

00:56:58.980 Right.

00:56:59.420 So be slow to, to suggest anything, focus on just really learning by everybody.

00:57:06.800 And then the last thing I'd say is get yourself in a position of influence and, and guess how

00:57:13.220 you do that by having relationships with people.

00:57:15.640 So get, get going, get knowing everybody that you're working with, understand them, like

00:57:23.180 seek to truly understand who they are, their needs, their challenges, the difficulties that

00:57:28.540 they struggle with.

00:57:29.420 So, so not just we can manipulate them.

00:57:31.800 So, but so you can have positive impact on them and you're not going to be able to do

00:57:36.640 that if you really don't know who they are.

00:57:38.460 So get to know your team.

00:57:40.900 Yeah.

00:57:41.340 I love that.

00:57:41.780 Yeah.

00:57:41.880 I care about the mission, care about the people, and then find the people, the strengths

00:57:46.200 to, to carry out that mission.

00:57:48.880 Absolutely.

00:57:49.560 Oh, one last thing came to mind.

00:57:51.960 What is winning in the new position?

00:57:55.160 If you can't answer that question, if you don't know what a highly successful XYZ person 0.99

00:58:01.640 is in this position, you need to get the answer.

00:58:05.320 So ask leadership, Hey, I need to understand what is exceptional in this role.

00:58:10.840 How do I measure it?

00:58:12.340 How do I confirm that I'm killing it?

00:58:15.340 Get super clear and you own it.

00:58:18.060 Like they're your client and you work for them.

00:58:21.840 Get super clear and execute against it.

00:58:25.320 And if you get blocked on winning, you raise your hand.

00:58:28.840 Don't be a victim.

00:58:29.860 Oh man, I didn't get what I needed from Sean.

00:58:31.860 No, no, no.

00:58:32.240 Hey, Sean, you mentioned winning looks like this.

00:58:34.920 I have a blocker.

00:58:37.140 I need these things for me to be successful.

00:58:39.640 And you default aggressive, be assertive, ask for what you need to be, and you ensure

00:58:47.520 success.

00:58:48.420 Don't wait to be acted upon.

00:58:52.020 Yeah, that's it.

00:58:54.740 Maybe there's more.

00:58:56.160 For now.

00:58:57.000 Those are the main things.

00:58:58.680 All right.

00:58:59.140 Andy Collins, another leadership question here.

00:59:01.300 I've been offered leadership position at work, which is more of a lateral move for me going

00:59:06.580 from an administrative to leadership role.

00:59:09.220 I have hesitation about going for it.

00:59:11.640 It would be a big step moving into being a supervisor.

00:59:14.660 It has been suggested that I should go for this in the last, but have barked, balked at the

00:59:23.920 idea due to my unwillingness to work night shifts again.

00:59:28.160 How do I know if this is the right move for me to move into a leadership or stay in the

00:59:32.000 position in which I am comfortable and good at?

00:59:35.400 One side note, my schedule is more favorable in my current role.

00:59:39.600 Andy, you're probably not going to like this, but just the way you worded this question,

00:59:46.820 you don't sound like you're ready for a leadership position, if I'm being totally honest.

00:59:52.840 Not excited about it.

00:59:54.060 Not excited.

00:59:55.260 And the fact that schedule is that important to you just means, in my opinion, that you're

01:00:04.620 not ready.

01:00:05.080 Um, now, are you ever really ready for a leadership position?

01:00:10.940 No.

01:00:11.840 If you've, if you've been in administrative and you're moving into leadership and somebody

01:00:16.900 sees the leadership ability in you, there's a reason somebody's maybe suggesting it to

01:00:22.280 you.

01:00:22.780 But if your schedule is more important than I mentioned before, the mission of the company,

01:00:29.900 um, and you being comfortable in your schedule is more important than that, then you're not

01:00:34.340 ready for a leadership role, you know?

01:00:36.240 So you have the ability, so you're never going to be ready to take on the task of leading

01:00:42.560 people.

01:00:43.800 Um, and that's going to be a process and that you have to learn through and, and go for.

01:00:49.780 And in most cases, I would say, go for it.

01:00:52.300 Like take that risk that Kip was talking about.

01:00:54.980 It's exciting.

01:00:55.680 It's new.

01:00:56.180 It's everything else.

01:00:56.860 Uh, but it, if you, I mean, there's a couple sentences in here that talk about your comfort

01:01:03.540 and your schedule.

01:01:05.220 And if that's going to be pulling on you, you're not ready.

01:01:10.700 So Sean, if you don't mind me and I, I, I get the spirit of what you're saying.

01:01:15.400 Let me know if you, I knew it was going to come out wrong and I probably articulated it

01:01:19.000 wrong and it might be wrong entirely, but that's my thought.

01:01:22.200 No, I, the, the intent is, I think spot on you're using the word ready.

01:01:27.340 Here's the word you're not willing.

01:01:30.260 Yeah.

01:01:30.720 Yeah.

01:01:31.040 Yes.

01:01:31.580 Cause what, like you said, we're never going to be ready, but, but Andy, if you're not willing

01:01:36.540 to do what it takes to be successful, then you will fail.

01:01:40.520 Good call.

01:01:41.200 So you gotta be, you gotta be clear.

01:01:43.260 Are you willing to do what it takes to win in this other position?

01:01:47.400 And if you're not, then, then you're going to make a decision and then you'll just be

01:01:51.740 compliant.

01:01:52.340 You'll show up mediocre, you know, and, and you're not going to show up powerfully.

01:01:57.540 So get clear.

01:01:58.520 Are you willing?

01:01:59.920 And if you're not, then don't do it.

01:02:01.420 And you're not ready.

01:02:03.800 Or that's not the direction you want to go.

01:02:07.060 Okay.

01:02:08.700 Marcus, uh, stud.

01:02:11.120 I've had actually opportunity.

01:02:12.600 Have you met with Marcus yet?

01:02:14.400 Dude, I was going to say stud too.

01:02:16.180 That's hilarious that you said that.

01:02:18.180 I had a call with Marcus.

01:02:19.540 Yeah.

01:02:19.860 I've, I've really gotten to know him of late and, and just a solid dude.

01:02:24.720 He's getting married.

01:02:26.040 So what's one thing, this is his question.

01:02:28.740 What's the one thing to be mindful of or do on the day of your wedding to make a memorable

01:02:35.060 experience for your new bride?

01:02:38.700 Show up, dude.

01:02:43.700 Don't back out, bro.

01:02:45.260 That's where you show up.

01:02:49.680 That's funny.

01:02:51.600 I, you know, this is funny.

01:02:54.060 When I saw this, I, I kind of laughed because, um, when my wife and I got married, we, we got

01:03:03.180 married on a company trip in Hawaii because it was kind of my dream to get married in Hawaii.

01:03:08.840 And, and my wife thought that'd be fantastic too.

01:03:12.780 And so that's what we did.

01:03:15.540 Um, so the fact that it was kind of ideal for the two of us, that was all we needed, you know,

01:03:23.100 and, and we were both there.

01:03:25.060 And so, uh, we didn't have to overthink like, oh, do I have to do this dance routine or whatever,

01:03:32.960 you know, now we had a reception when we got back home for people on the mainland that,

01:03:36.760 you know, cause majority couldn't fly to Hawaii for our wedding.

01:03:40.300 Um, and then there I sang her favorite George straight song.

01:03:44.680 Um, you know, well, it's like our song together.

01:03:48.680 Yeah.

01:03:49.320 Um, and I sang that to her, you know, um, which was terrible, but she thought it was funny and

01:03:56.640 loved it.

01:03:57.280 And we still talk about it to this day.

01:03:59.760 Um, but honestly, that was less important than just the commitment to each other, you know,

01:04:06.900 and, and the fact that, um, and for us personally, you know, it, it's our, our commitment is for

01:04:14.280 time and all eternity.

01:04:15.320 And, you know, that's kind of how we view it.

01:04:18.200 And that's always been more important to us than the day.

01:04:22.680 Right.

01:04:23.260 And so, um, you know, you may want to do something, but that, uh, even though it's kind of tongue

01:04:29.380 in cheek and kidding about showing up, I, I actually think that's the most important part.

01:04:34.860 Yeah.

01:04:35.720 Well, and when I say showing up is like showing up thinking that this is your eternal partner,

01:04:42.820 you know, like this is, is, there's not an out, there's not a, you know, and until you

01:04:49.420 make me mad, you know, and that, that kind of a thing, I, I honestly think showing up

01:04:55.360 in the right way is the most important.

01:04:57.620 Yeah.

01:04:58.200 I mean, and Mark, cause I'd ask her like, Hey, for, for this day, you know, next month

01:05:03.260 to be really impactful to you.

01:05:05.160 Like, what does that look like for you?

01:05:06.640 And then that's going to give you some clues of what you might want to do or be intentional

01:05:13.940 with.

01:05:14.520 I think through experience, the one thing that, that I wish, um, I would have done better

01:05:21.560 is eliminate all the stress as much as possible.

01:05:24.980 It's already going to be stressful.

01:05:27.020 You guys might be go-getters.

01:05:28.760 So you're like, Oh yeah, we'll manage the caterer.

01:05:31.100 We'll manage this.

01:05:32.160 We'll, we'll do this.

01:05:33.140 No, no, no, find someone to do all of that for you.

01:05:36.740 So that way you guys can just be present and in the moment and not have to be taking care

01:05:41.760 of people.

01:05:42.980 That's what you don't want, right?

01:05:44.240 You guys stressing about all your guests and are they being taken care?

01:05:48.600 No, it's your day.

01:05:50.820 Figure out how to make it your day as much as humanly possible.

01:05:53.820 Delegate things out, even though it may not be exactly the way you would do it.

01:05:58.680 Delegate it anyway.

01:05:59.400 So that way you don't eliminate those stresses.

01:06:01.500 So you guys can just be there, uh, and be fully present, um, and, and be engulfed, you

01:06:09.500 know, by the memory of it.

01:06:11.760 I'm glad you said that it's, it's, and when I think back to it, I actually did that.

01:06:17.200 Just, I lucked out.

01:06:18.820 I think I asked my wife like, Hey, what are the most important little things that you want 0.99

01:06:24.160 to have at our wedding?

01:06:25.040 And it was the bouquet and then it was like the giveaways, the little, we gave away these

01:06:30.480 dumb little things with like sand and shells from Hawaii and, um, to people that like had

01:06:35.800 no relevance in my opinion at all.

01:06:39.240 But it was so important to her that we have these cool little things to give to people.

01:06:42.940 And between that and the bouquet and those things getting done right, the way that she wanted,

01:06:48.800 um, that was like, to your point, just something she didn't have to stress about for that day.

01:06:57.340 And, um, you know, she was able to focus more on what's important, I think, you know?

01:07:01.920 So, yeah, I think it doesn't have to be a grand thing, but maybe ask those questions or what are

01:07:06.380 the little things, the little details that are the most important to her.

01:07:11.240 Okay.

01:07:11.840 Last question.

01:07:12.680 You good with one more?

01:07:13.980 Yeah.

01:07:14.920 All right.

01:07:15.740 Raul Gutierrez, both of you fellows are athletic.

01:07:20.040 Thank you, sir.

01:07:21.520 What sort of post-workout nourishment routines do you adhere to?

01:07:26.820 You know, mine is more often pre-workout than post-workout.

01:07:32.740 Yeah.

01:07:33.180 I, I have, um, I have like a meal replacement drink slash shake thing that I, that I drink

01:07:40.760 almost daily every day that I'm working out in some capacity.

01:07:43.740 And I, I make sure I drink that before, uh, my workouts, or if I'm going to jujitsu, I drink

01:07:50.540 it on the way there.

01:07:51.940 Um, you know, and which is a few times a week now.

01:07:55.440 Um, and then for post-workout, um, it's more just watching.

01:08:03.180 Uh, my meal intake, I, I, I got really cognitive of avoiding snacking a long time ago, uh, making

01:08:14.940 sure that I'm, I'm putting good, clean, organic food proteins.

01:08:21.500 Um, now my protein intake consists of almost daily.

01:08:28.040 I'm eating venison, you know, now and venison and elk.

01:08:32.840 Um, uh, if it's pork, it's wild game still it's, you know, sausage that we harvested.

01:08:39.040 Um, you know, and so all of my meat, all of my protein intake by large majority, probably

01:08:46.240 90 to 95% is wild game that we've harvested.

01:08:50.740 Um, and being able to do that with, you know, organic vegetables and fruits and things like

01:08:55.860 that, that's the majority of my diet throughout my day.

01:08:59.380 So I think it's more important for me that I'm watching that intake and making sure that

01:09:04.420 it's clean post-workout and then pre-workout there may be a shake or, you know, and, and,

01:09:10.620 um, it's, I, I started taking creatine again, not to build muscle, but just for cognitive

01:09:16.500 health.

01:09:17.720 It's, there's all these new studies coming out on the cognitive side with creatine and,

01:09:22.400 um, and I feel good with it.

01:09:24.200 So I'm, I'm adding that to some of the shakes now, not that I'm doing it every day, or like

01:09:28.900 I said, I'm not trying to like grow or build with it, but that's, that's what I'm using.

01:09:34.000 And then supplements, um, you know, I'm taking vitamin supplements, uh, daily.

01:09:41.280 Um, but again, it's not specific to working out.

01:09:44.800 So I don't know if that totally answers your question.

01:09:48.640 Um, but to me, it's more important that my diet is clean than I'm eating specific like

01:09:54.900 protein bars or, or creatine or, or protein shakes or, you know, that kind of stuff.

01:10:01.400 Yeah.

01:10:02.200 I'm the same way.

01:10:03.220 I think it's mostly clean diet.

01:10:05.420 Um, I've, I've been trying to get away from protein drinks.

01:10:09.140 I just like, if it's like eggs and meat, you know what I mean?

01:10:12.800 And just try to get back to the natural things I do.

01:10:15.820 I always take a post-workout, um, creatine, um, there's a really good brand, uh, message

01:10:22.280 me or I can send it to you, uh, what, at least what I'm using.

01:10:25.860 But, um, I read this post and, um, and I tagged it cause I'm like, man, this is, this

01:10:31.800 is profound.

01:10:32.420 And it kind of, to your point, Sean around diet says, if you're under, if you under eat

01:10:37.480 protein, you'll overeat carbs, if you under eat salt, you'll overeat sugar.

01:10:42.980 If you under eat real food, you're overeat junk food.

01:10:47.360 And, and it's like, Oh, I, I should not have these things.

01:10:51.240 Guess how you do it.

01:10:52.420 You make sure you get in all the right stuff.

01:10:54.280 And then it's a hell of a lot easier to avoid junk food when you're eating real food.

01:10:59.380 Like, and it's so true.

01:11:01.480 Um, and so maybe that's a, that's a thought for you, um, as you dial in, uh, your nutrition

01:11:07.400 and your diets.

01:11:08.380 Although Raul will do it.

01:11:09.660 If I believe correctly, like last time I saw him at a main event, the guy's like shredded.

01:11:13.740 So I'm not even sure why you're asking us.

01:11:16.120 Yeah.

01:11:17.940 He's like, he's like a shredded dude.

01:11:19.740 So I'm like, I don't even, you know, um, apparently, uh, you have no idea who you're

01:11:24.480 asking.

01:11:24.780 So, um, all right, so a big couple of call outs, you know, um, join us on Facebook.

01:11:32.260 That's facebook.com slash group slash order, man, the iron council enrollment is closed.

01:11:37.860 Uh, so good luck.

01:11:40.620 Yeah.

01:11:40.940 New year's you're on your own.

01:11:42.800 Um, however, if you want to get connected to us and be part of a program that we follow,

01:11:50.380 uh, you can sign up for the battle ready program.

01:11:53.340 It's kind of a self-paced one that you could put into place, um, for the beginning of next

01:11:58.100 year, um, or at least the last quarter of this year, I should say.

01:12:01.680 And that's order of man.com slash battle ready.

01:12:04.600 Um, and then you'll have another chance, uh, in December, uh, to sign up and join us, uh,

01:12:10.600 so we can kick off, uh, 2025 together.

01:12:13.500 As always, you can connect with Mr.

01:12:15.440 Mickler on X and the gram at Ryan Mickler.

01:12:19.760 And, um, anything else, Sean, before we wrap?

01:12:23.960 No, this is always awesome.

01:12:25.980 Hope it helps some guys.

01:12:27.760 Awesome.

01:12:28.640 Thanks for, for filling in and for being on and sharing your insights, Sean.

01:12:32.900 I always appreciate them.

01:12:34.300 And I know the guys do as well.

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