Order of Man - CHARLIE KIRK ｜ Are Men the Enemy？

00:00:00.000 As many of you may know, there was a horrific shooting on the campus of Utah Valley University just yesterday, September 10th, 2025.

00:00:09.980 Charlie Kirk, who is a political activist, a conservative, a voice of good, a voice of reason and truth, and a voice of courage in American culture, was shot in the neck and subsequently died as a result of the injuries sustained from that shooting to the neck.

00:00:31.700 And this is somebody that I've had on the podcast.

00:00:34.960 My oldest son messaged me when he heard the news and told me that he had been shot, and I followed closely, and I heard all sorts of conflicting stories as to whether or not Charlie was still alive, but it looks like it has been confirmed that Charlie Kirk has passed away.

00:00:48.700 Now, I had him on the podcast in 2020.

00:00:52.540 I believe it was October of 2020, and we talked about whether or not society was making men the enemy.

00:00:58.960 And in memory and honor of the life that Charlie Kirk led and the good that he did, I wanted to share this as a recap and a revisit to some of his words of wisdom and his courageous attitude towards men and masculinity and how we ought to show up in society.

00:01:16.700 So today, we share that recap with you from 2020, where we talk about personal responsibility.

00:01:22.780 We also talk about the hyper-feminization of boys, why boys need heroes, how to create stronger men, saving the country, all things that are just as, if not more applicable today than they ever were.

00:01:35.740 So I would encourage you at this point to pray for his beautiful family, his wife and kids, pray for this country, and then we have some work to do.

00:01:46.720 And I'm going to be sharing some things over the coming days and weeks on what we as men can do to reclaim and restore masculinity so we can completely abolish and obliterate the nonsense and the destructive ideologies that have permeated much of our culture.

00:02:05.740 I hope you enjoy this one with some humility and some respect and reverence towards Charlie Kirk.

00:02:13.640 You're a man of action.

00:02:15.180 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path.

00:02:19.560 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:02:24.020 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:02:29.080 This is your life.

00:02:30.160 This is who you are.

00:02:31.240 This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:02:34.280 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:02:41.180 Charlie, what's up, brother?

00:02:42.140 Glad to be joining you today.

00:02:44.060 Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

00:02:46.820 I got to admit, you look like you've been running around quite a bit.

00:02:50.840 I know we had to reschedule a couple of times.

00:02:53.060 And while I can appreciate that, but it seems like you're a busy man these days.

00:02:57.040 Yeah, doing two podcasts today, one on Saturday, one on Sunday, trying to get the president reelected

00:03:03.100 and still run Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action and speaking.

00:03:06.600 And so, but we're glad we made this work.

00:03:08.540 How do you do it all, man?

00:03:09.860 That's what I want to know.

00:03:11.040 I've got four kids.

00:03:12.640 I've been married for 16 years.

00:03:14.700 I'm running two different businesses.

00:03:16.820 And I think I'm running about half of what you're running at.

00:03:20.360 And even I feel overwhelmed.

00:03:22.120 So tell me your secret.

00:03:23.980 Well, the four kids, I don't know if I'd be able to do that.

00:03:25.860 That sounds like quite a lot.

00:03:27.340 Hopefully, there'll be kids coming soon.

00:03:29.260 I don't know.

00:03:29.740 Who knew my life?

00:03:30.580 I don't know.

00:03:31.520 But look, I really, really love what I get to do.

00:03:37.340 I don't love some of the things I have to do to do it, such as traveling.

00:03:41.520 I don't like that.

00:03:43.100 Cross-country flights, the sleepless nights, red eyes, checking in a new hotel.

00:03:48.460 I don't like that, the kind of the technical part of it.

00:03:50.400 But I really love pursuing ideas.

00:03:53.280 I love convincing people.

00:03:54.880 I love being challenged.

00:03:56.580 And that just motivates you.

00:03:57.960 You know, I'm up till midnight, 1 o'clock, 1.30 every night.

00:04:02.020 And then just up, you know, 7 o'clock, 6.37.

00:04:04.760 And that's on a good night.

00:04:06.980 That's sleeping in, by the way.

00:04:08.720 And we have a great team.

00:04:12.460 I'm very disciplined with how I spend my time.

00:04:15.940 I really don't do anything that isn't pertinent to the mission.

00:04:20.280 The only thing I would do, I'll work out five or six days a week.

00:04:25.020 That's about it.

00:04:26.040 But I don't do video games.

00:04:27.920 You know, I don't really have leisure activities.

00:04:29.780 You know, people say, what do you do for fun?

00:04:30.980 I don't really do that.

00:04:31.720 You know, I kind of just do the mission.

00:04:34.320 And so when you're there, we actually have more time in a day than I think people realize.

00:04:39.240 I think that most people waste so much time.

00:04:42.720 So yeah, I'm incredibly blessed.

00:04:45.040 Wrote a book this year.

00:04:46.540 Made bestseller.

00:04:48.000 You know, did the podcast thing.

00:04:49.500 Now it's turning into a radio show.

00:04:51.280 We were doing three podcasts a week.

00:04:53.060 Now we're doing 12 podcasts a week.

00:04:56.180 I knew that.

00:04:56.980 It's wild, man.

00:04:58.860 Yeah.

00:04:59.180 Not to mention the longer form interviews.

00:05:00.860 And in a regular year, I'd be doing 300 speeches a year.

00:05:05.860 Probably not going to hit it this year for obvious reasons.

00:05:08.740 Um, so, but I'm actually on pace.

00:05:11.380 If I were to keep the pace I'm on right now, I would have been, I'd be doing more than

00:05:14.280 350, but no, look, I love what I get to do.

00:05:17.860 I'm incredibly blessed and just very thankful.

00:05:20.940 The term I use is integrated.

00:05:22.980 And it sounds like you're very integrated with your work and your life.

00:05:26.860 And there's not a bunch of different hats.

00:05:28.400 Like a lot of men will talk about hats.

00:05:30.020 I got to wear the family hat, the dad hat, the work hat.

00:05:32.720 And I found in my own personal life that if I don't pretend like I'm wearing different

00:05:36.960 hats, but instead say I'm one man, whether I'm at work, whether I'm with my family, whether

00:05:41.800 I'm with my friends or in my own leisure activities, there's a lot of congruency and integration

00:05:46.400 between the way I live my life.

00:05:47.700 And that's much more efficient than trying to put on different hats and pretend like

00:05:51.260 I'm somebody different in each circumstance.

00:05:53.440 Yeah.

00:05:54.760 And I have the opportunity to not have to be somebody different.

00:05:57.560 I mean, one of the greatest gifts that God has given me is I say the same things publicly

00:06:03.380 as I do privately, because that's, I'm in the business of speaking and I'm in the business

00:06:08.200 of idea advancement.

00:06:09.940 So people come to me and they say, Charlie, and I'm an lawyer at this law firm, a partner.

00:06:14.380 I own this business and I wish I could be you because you're able to say the same thing

00:06:18.800 in a work setting that you're able to say in a private setting.

00:06:21.260 And so that kind of, as you say, congruency, it's actually very liberating.

00:06:26.720 I don't have to pretend to be somebody in a different environment.

00:06:30.160 And also I just have decided to completely disassociate with myself with anyone that is

00:06:36.200 any form of nastiness or vitriol just as a compulsory friendship.

00:06:40.380 I've just discontinued those.

00:06:41.960 It is too much.

00:06:42.700 Which, you know, it's funny.

00:06:43.500 It's funny you say that because look, I see you in videos, I see you on the socials and

00:06:48.980 you have immersed yourself in, frankly, what I would consider nastiness, frankly, you

00:06:54.960 know, with the rallies you go to and on campus and what you subject yourself to.

00:07:00.860 I don't know if I could handle it.

00:07:02.740 Is that because of your mission?

00:07:05.080 Is that your purpose?

00:07:05.900 Like what keeps you going in those hostile environments?

00:07:09.620 Yeah, I, I don't find, I actually kind of enjoy the idea collision because I actually

00:07:15.820 think it's good for our country to have different ideas be presented against each other.

00:07:20.560 I don't love being screened at by some of these apparatchiks.

00:07:23.360 I mean, I'm not a sociopath, so it's not something I find enjoyment about, but I will

00:07:28.220 say that I do think that it's beneficial when those conversations are occurring and happening,

00:07:34.220 I'm the millions of people that might be watching them in the future.

00:07:38.100 So when I go to a campus and some lunatic is screaming in my ear and about how awful of

00:07:43.400 a person I am and all these sorts of things, at least I can have some form of peace that

00:07:49.660 if I'm filming it, somebody might learn something from this in the future.

00:07:54.040 And so that, that kind of makes it in some ways worthwhile.

00:07:57.260 However, I, I wish what I was saying wasn't so deemed disagreeable.

00:08:01.500 I actually think what I'm saying is pretty normal stuff.

00:08:04.580 And I, it's just the Overton window has changed so dramatically in our country that if you

00:08:10.320 dare say there are only two genders or that there's a war on men or that we shouldn't judge

00:08:14.880 people based on their skin color, you're all of a sudden deemed worthy of cancellation

00:08:19.640 and outrage.

00:08:21.020 And I obviously don't subscribe to that.

00:08:23.400 So I, I, um, I think, and again, it's a mission driven thing.

00:08:27.060 I, I actually really believe in this stuff, which is what drives me to continue to do it.

00:08:32.740 You know, it's funny.

00:08:33.720 You talk about these, uh, these ideas that I think, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago weren't

00:08:38.780 controversial.

00:08:40.000 You know, I think about myself, I have four kids.

00:08:42.340 I already told you that I believe in God.

00:08:44.500 I believe men are men and women are women.

00:08:46.520 I believe in traditional family values.

00:08:49.680 I wouldn't have thought that that would be counterculture.

00:08:51.720 I've never considered myself a rebel, but it seems to me that more now more than ever

00:08:56.500 that I'm the rebellious one because I have all of these, uh, traditional values.

00:09:00.740 And it's a very interesting thing that, uh, these types of things that we know with a

00:09:06.000 hundred percent certainty lead men and families and women in society to a better life have become

00:09:11.700 controversial.

00:09:14.100 That's right.

00:09:14.880 And now all of a sudden those of us that believe in taking responsibility for yourself

00:09:19.920 and for your family, not blaming other people for your circumstances, applying yourself

00:09:26.420 correctly, finding a good and moral aim, all of a sudden this is considered to be controversial.

00:09:32.580 And I think it's actually really dangerous for our country to do that and for our civilization

00:09:36.940 to do that.

00:09:38.240 I mean, if you get, if you're now married and you are faithful to that person with children,

00:09:43.840 you are now the exception, not the rule.

00:09:46.760 Right.

00:09:47.380 That's really an incredible thing when you think about it.

00:09:49.700 And it's also a very dangerous thing.

00:09:51.320 And so you also asked early on, you know, how am I able to do it?

00:09:54.420 It's also what I don't do.

00:09:55.860 Um, I haven't had a drink in a very, very long time.

00:09:59.300 You know, I think that we, if you look at successful people, obviously don't do drugs

00:10:04.380 or any of that, but for myself, I would not be able to do what I do if I were to be doing

00:10:09.080 the substances that most of the people in this world do.

00:10:12.120 And, uh, I think that there's, there's a lesson here that a lot of people need to realize

00:10:16.280 that there's a reason why they're trying to tell you to do alcohol all the time.

00:10:19.480 There's a reason why they're trying to do that.

00:10:21.180 And it's really to keep you down.

00:10:22.700 And I think that you can actually become a much more, and again, I'm not actually morally

00:10:26.860 against drinking.

00:10:27.540 Let me be very clear.

00:10:28.320 I'm not trying to make people feel bad if they're doing that.

00:10:30.460 I'm purely talking about it from a utilitarian perspective.

00:10:33.200 Just let me be very clear, but I don't think I biochemically would be able to do what I

00:10:37.800 do if I indulge in the same form of casual drinking that most of the country has been

00:10:43.380 in the last six months in particular.

00:10:46.420 Yeah, I agree.

00:10:47.360 I think, uh, what a lot of men do is they sedate themselves because, you know, the reality

00:10:51.540 of their situations are, are difficult and demanding and they learn from their parents

00:10:56.220 and they learn from society because we have this entire generation of fatherless homes,

00:11:01.200 uh, how to respond to difficult circumstances, you know, and of all, all of us have difficult

00:11:07.860 circumstances, whether it's the, the wake of COVID or, you know, we've lost a job or we

00:11:12.680 deal with a family with a, with a medical condition.

00:11:16.120 It's, it's, it's such a travesty that so many men have not learned to address this in a positive

00:11:23.000 manner and instead have learned that the way you deal with it is to sedate yourself.

00:11:27.920 And that's what I see more and more of.

00:11:29.760 Yeah.

00:11:30.840 And nothing good happens after you're drunk and that a lot of people that make it is a,

00:11:35.700 it is truly, and I hate to use this term because it's overused.

00:11:38.000 It's a gateway to other bad things.

00:11:40.000 You will make other discuss, you'll have to say things you don't mean you might hurt somebody

00:11:45.160 you don't mean to hurt both physically or otherwise.

00:11:47.760 And then it also makes you less responsible, more likely to fall into a pattern of behavior

00:11:53.340 that you're not going to be able to take responsibility for your actions.

00:11:56.620 And again, I'm not morally against it.

00:11:58.080 I want to be very clear.

00:11:58.940 I'm not trying to make anyone, you know, feel worse if they're doing that thing.

00:12:02.760 I'm just saying it actually will make you in the longterm, a much unhappier, much more

00:12:08.680 unhappy and less likely to be able to take the meaningful type of responsibility you need

00:12:13.880 to in your life to be able to succeed.

00:12:15.460 Yeah, I like this because I think what we hear a lot from, you know, the quote unquote,

00:12:20.140 self-help gurus is here's what you need to do.

00:12:23.040 Have a schedule, work a plan, be disciplined and all the things that you should do.

00:12:26.920 And none of those are wrong.

00:12:27.960 I agree.

00:12:28.720 But we don't hear from those of us who tell us, okay, well, here's what you need to eliminate

00:12:32.960 from your life.

00:12:34.440 Eliminate the sedation, eliminate the toxicity, eliminate those friends who weren't serving you.

00:12:39.240 So, you can free up a path to be able to pursue, like you talked about, your mission, whatever

00:12:45.600 it is for you.

00:12:47.340 It's completely, yeah.

00:12:48.680 And so, I mean, again, I'm someone that has a great passion for what I get to do.

00:12:53.960 I do it every single day.

00:12:55.180 There are no days off.

00:12:56.880 I don't have more talent than anyone else in this space, but I outwork everybody.

00:13:02.280 I don't mean that braggadociously.

00:13:04.080 It's just, we have done that for seven and a half, eight years, and we're going to continue

00:13:07.820 to do that.

00:13:08.720 Let me pause you right there, Charlie.

00:13:10.000 Is that, let me ask you about your work ethic, because I recognize that to be true.

00:13:15.140 Is that something that is innate within you, or is that something you've developed?

00:13:20.240 That's something I feel like I have as well, but I don't know if everybody has that same

00:13:25.860 sort of drive and desire to just grind it out.

00:13:29.040 And it seems like you do.

00:13:29.900 Most people don't.

00:13:30.720 Most people don't.

00:13:31.820 And I don't know where it came from.

00:13:33.820 My parents always taught me and showed me what hard work looks like.

00:13:37.420 My father, being an architect, would work till 1.30 in the morning every single morning

00:13:42.140 for most of my life.

00:13:43.740 He'd come home for dinner and then go back to work till 1.30 and wake up at 8 a.m.

00:13:47.300 and do it all over again.

00:13:48.460 That was the kind of culture I grew up around.

00:13:51.160 And I mean, just looking at my high school life, I was always signing up for more activities,

00:13:55.820 always working harder.

00:13:56.760 I don't know if it's built into you.

00:13:58.520 I can't quite pinpoint it.

00:13:59.840 All I know is that I have known nothing my entire life other than being hyperactive

00:14:05.020 and apps.

00:14:06.420 And there's a really important thing, though.

00:14:08.660 Some of these people will go to some of these conferences that you just mentioned, and they'll

00:14:12.060 be fired up and they will start putting in those long hours.

00:14:14.420 But the minute that any sort of adversity hits them, it's brittle and they shatter.

00:14:19.700 And so it's not just being able to put in the long hours and work till 11 p.m. every single

00:14:26.080 night and wake up at 6 a.m. and work Saturdays and work Sundays and do not drink and don't

00:14:31.340 do drugs and stop watching mindless television and get rid of your video games, all that sort

00:14:36.560 of stuff, right?

00:14:37.580 Again, if you're able to do a great life with those things, terrific.

00:14:40.400 I love freedom.

00:14:41.160 So good for you.

00:14:42.020 I'm just telling you what works for me, right?

00:14:43.460 And so I don't mean this in a way where I'm trying to make someone feel bad or you're

00:14:46.800 a bad person.

00:14:47.500 I'm going to keep saying that because sometimes people read into it too much.

00:14:51.520 I think our listeners here are, they're a little bit more aware than that, where they're

00:14:58.660 willing to take things in context.

00:15:00.600 I get these messages where people say, well, you know, people say, well, Charlie, do you

00:15:03.700 think I'm a bad person because I have a beer once a week?

00:15:05.920 It's like, I've never said that.

00:15:07.480 People are incapable of context and discernment for sure.

00:15:11.140 So yeah.

00:15:11.520 That's good.

00:15:11.880 And so, but to go a step further and a level deeper on this though, if we kind of look

00:15:17.800 at what, so people are going to self-help exercise and they have no capacity to withstand

00:15:23.960 suffering.

00:15:24.760 The hardest thing to do is to keep going when you really come across something that requires

00:15:31.640 perseverance.

00:15:32.140 When you have someone betray you, when you have someone come after you that wants to

00:15:36.880 destroy your career, when you have a contract fall through, when you have a project that

00:15:41.640 doesn't go the way you wanted it to, when you get a very angrily worded email from a donor

00:15:48.440 in our world, you know, in our nonprofit world, that's who we raise money from.

00:15:53.280 How do you deal when that happens?

00:15:55.660 And that's really when your toughness comes through.

00:15:59.200 And we have created one of the most fragile generations in the history of humanity.

00:16:06.860 We've done it through our school system.

00:16:08.500 We've done it through our pop culture.

00:16:11.400 We've done it through a variety of different ways.

00:16:13.700 And I know the name of this program is the order of man, but just for young men out there,

00:16:18.580 we have fully grown infants.

00:16:20.980 Most young men in our country are not young men.

00:16:24.140 And they do not deserve that title.

00:16:26.260 They are responsible for nothing.

00:16:28.480 They have no direction at all whatsoever in their life.

00:16:31.280 They have no capacity to be able to endure opposition or suffering.

00:16:34.880 They have no direction and no aim whatsoever.

00:16:37.700 And they're just infants.

00:16:38.720 They are fully grown infants that are wholly subsidized by their parents or by a masculine 0.99

00:16:43.500 woman.

00:16:44.840 It's a great point.

00:16:45.980 And this is exactly why we make the distinction between males and men.

00:16:50.040 You know, I look at my boys, for example, I've got three boys.

00:16:54.140 And I've got one little girl and I look at my boys and nobody expects them to be men.

00:16:57.720 They're immature.

00:16:58.940 They're overly emotional.

00:17:00.940 They throw temper tantrums occasionally.

00:17:03.100 They don't know how to respond to situations with dignity and class and intelligence.

00:17:09.140 Nobody expects them to.

00:17:10.680 But it would be a shame if I saw my young boys grow into adult age without learning how to mature.

00:17:19.080 The question I have is, how do we begin to foster this in a generation of young boys and girls

00:17:28.480 who are growing up without fathers?

00:17:30.920 Yeah, it's really hard because then the women have no aim to go marry and the men have no aim 1.00

00:17:36.160 to go to basically harmonize with or try to embody.

00:17:41.480 Right.

00:17:41.580 So women need strong fathers because they want a role model to be able to eventually go marry 1.00

00:17:47.340 somebody like that.

00:17:48.500 Sure.

00:17:48.960 And then men.

00:17:50.040 And that's not the only reason, by the way.

00:17:51.400 That's just a very that's one of the most important reasons.

00:17:54.320 And a man needs a young boy needs a male father figure. 0.84

00:17:58.660 So he knows what to aspire to.

00:18:00.580 So he knows what to try to become.

00:18:03.720 And when you break that down, your civilization will start to fall apart.

00:18:07.280 But it's also I see two parent households where the roles are reversed, where the female

00:18:12.780 has become the male and the man has become the woman.

00:18:18.240 And it is masculine women and feminine men. 1.00

00:18:21.960 And you kind of hear the stereotype on some comedy shows and stuff.

00:18:25.980 But it's actually really true, which is the kind of metropolitan beta male, where if you

00:18:30.420 if you looked hard, you couldn't find an ounce of testosterone in some of these these men.

00:18:34.760 And and they take responsibility for nothing.

00:18:36.760 And they've almost kind of turned themselves into this androgynous, very unclear form of

00:18:43.120 a once man, now newly found woman.

00:18:47.680 And that's a very dangerous thing for a country and for a civilization.

00:18:51.620 And so what do we do for young men?

00:18:53.620 And I know this.

00:18:54.400 Look, so first of all, we are over medicating young men.

00:18:57.040 That's number one.

00:18:57.560 No doubt.

00:18:58.080 No doubt.

00:18:58.360 We don't talk about this enough.

00:18:59.340 If I would have grown up today, I would have been on ADHD or ADD, I should say, attention

00:19:06.100 deficit disorder medication.

00:19:07.720 You heard my schedule.

00:19:09.060 I can't find enough stuff to do.

00:19:10.920 I love being active.

00:19:12.680 School is not designed for people like me.

00:19:15.020 I could never sit still in second, third and fourth grade.

00:19:17.880 I could never focus on what the teacher was telling me.

00:19:20.400 I would always be active.

00:19:21.680 I'd be up on my feet.

00:19:23.320 That's just who I am.

00:19:24.400 And that's how a lot of young boys are.

00:19:25.580 But my parents, to their credit, despite the pill pushers and people trying to intersect

00:19:30.500 themselves, said, we are not putting our kid on medication.

00:19:32.960 He'll grow up.

00:19:34.000 He'll find his voice.

00:19:35.080 He'll be fine.

00:19:35.660 That was the best thing they could have done for me.

00:19:37.560 Whereas now, someone like me, you know what should worry everyone?

00:19:41.840 There are thousands of people like Charlie Kirk that are being medicated right now because

00:19:45.680 parents are not holding the line against the over-medication push in our country.

00:19:51.960 And I would say, Charlie, on that is, I know you're a big fan of making sure we use the

00:19:57.920 right verbiage.

00:19:59.580 And so you're saying over-medication and technically that's true, but I would say it's more over-sedation.

00:20:06.280 Can you imagine sedating a child, you know, an eight-year-old child who's got creativity

00:20:11.080 and passion and enthusiasm and you say to yourself, if you had to recognize it for what

00:20:17.360 it truly was, say, you know what, I don't like all that passion.

00:20:21.500 Let's strip away a little bit of that passion by popping you full of pills so that you'll, 0.99

00:20:26.020 you know, conform and toe the line and do what you're supposed to be doing.

00:20:29.880 Yeah.

00:20:30.020 So yeah, you're right.

00:20:30.620 Sedation is absolutely a better term.

00:20:31.860 And look, if someone has a legitimate medical condition unrelated to their capacity and not

00:20:36.320 focused.

00:20:36.880 But what happens is these, the entire school system has been feminized. 0.67

00:20:40.760 It's designed for women by women to be taught by women and for women.

00:20:43.640 That's fine.

00:20:45.180 Women are much more agreeable than men and boys in particular are incredibly disagreeable. 1.00

00:20:50.380 They can't sit still.

00:20:51.660 They are, they need to be involved in the learning process.

00:20:54.460 That's why recess is important for young boys and not as important for young women.

00:20:59.120 And so young women are thriving in our country.

00:21:01.660 And in fact, I would make the argument that every metric that they're thriving at is not,

00:21:06.980 it's actually in some ways at the expense at times of men.

00:21:10.360 And that, I'm not saying that women are the problem, but the fact when 60% of college graduates 1.00

00:21:15.760 are now women, that's, that's not, that there's no equilibrium there. 1.00

00:21:19.600 And that comes at some expense because the school system has been so hyper-feminized where

00:21:24.420 young women are more than willing to sit and go through an entire class without moving. 0.84

00:21:31.500 A fourth grader, a young boy, forget it.

00:21:34.320 That's not what, for two hours, that's asking a lot out of a young boy.

00:21:38.160 I mean, I can't even know, I can't even do that as an almost 40 year old man at this

00:21:41.460 point.

00:21:41.840 So let alone an eight year old child.

00:21:43.300 Let alone in the digital age where they have a dopamine rush every time that their phone

00:21:47.860 bings.

00:21:48.600 And I'll get into that in a second.

00:21:49.640 If, if we have, you know, if, if you want to go in that direction, where also in additional,

00:21:54.760 additionally to that.

00:21:55.520 So what do we do for young boys?

00:21:56.760 Let me just kind of go back.

00:21:57.720 So we're overly sedating them.

00:21:59.100 We're hyper-feminizing their learning environment. 0.99

00:22:01.360 And also the way that we educate them just through the curriculum is absolute garbage. 0.99

00:22:06.160 Young men from a very, young boys from a young age are being taught that men are the enemy 0.99

00:22:11.880 and women are good. 1.00

00:22:13.100 And you must make yourself more feminine in nature. 1.00

00:22:16.340 This is garbage. 1.00

00:22:17.200 It's nonsense. 1.00

00:22:18.000 It's foolish. 0.99

00:22:18.840 For example, the literature that we teach young boys that they have to read, they're, they don't 0.98

00:22:24.380 want to read Little House on the Prairie.

00:22:26.160 They would rather read a biography about Teddy Roosevelt.

00:22:28.460 And so we, biographies are the best way to get young boys' attention.

00:22:33.200 Why?

00:22:33.980 Because young boys want somebody to, to emulate.

00:22:38.280 They want a hero.

00:22:39.880 They want to resonate with that.

00:22:41.100 Why does Little House on the Prairie resonate with young women? 1.00

00:22:44.160 They want a family to nurture and young, they're much more relational.

00:22:48.200 So, so, so books that are much more in dialogue form, women do a lot better when they're in 0.99

00:22:53.800 the fourth, fifth, and sixth grade.

00:22:55.100 Much more the adventure form.

00:22:56.820 Young boys do a lot better.

00:22:58.680 That's why Mark Twain was such an incredibly important author for the formation and the

00:23:04.180 hero spirit for our country.

00:23:05.900 We don't teach that anymore because they used a word they don't like.

00:23:08.220 I mean, just grow up.

00:23:09.680 And so that's the second, the other thing.

00:23:11.100 And then finally, if I had to put like third, the first being sedation, second hyperfemination

00:23:14.840 of our school slash curriculum.

00:23:16.060 The third thing is this, is that we do not challenge young men for their call to adventure.

00:23:21.680 Young men need to be challenged. 1.00

00:23:23.320 And I mean this, this is why football is such an important part of our country and they're

00:23:26.840 trying to destroy that too.

00:23:28.140 I don't think football is for everyone, but it was important for me.

00:23:30.320 I could tell you in my life, when I was an eighth grader, football really made me grow

00:23:35.160 up very quickly saying, yes, sir, no, sir, to a strong male figure that made you be on

00:23:40.420 the line at the exact time, being able to run wind sprints, hierarchy, order, discipline.

00:23:45.080 For me, football really got me in the line.

00:23:47.360 For all that distracted energy that I had in the classroom, football was, I had meaning,

00:23:52.240 I had fulfillment, I had camaraderie.

00:23:54.940 And you know what?

00:23:55.840 The physical combativeness.

00:23:57.300 I loved that, right?

00:23:58.920 I loved being able to get out and have the blood flowing and testosterone.

00:24:03.520 That was awesome.

00:24:04.160 And again, there's not, it's not for everybody.

00:24:05.720 I fully recognize that, but I can tell you it made me a more complete and fuller human

00:24:11.180 being.

00:24:11.740 And so we don't do that kind of call to adventure as much anymore.

00:24:14.480 And outside of the football analogy, we need to be challenging 16 year olds to take responsibility

00:24:19.980 for their life.

00:24:21.120 Here's how you treat women. 1.00

00:24:22.400 Here's how you talk.

00:24:23.660 Here's how you communicate.

00:24:25.000 Here's how you sit up straight with your shoulders back.

00:24:26.800 You look clearly in people's eyes.

00:24:29.080 All those sorts of things are completely lost.

00:24:30.920 And now we have, and Jordan Peterson has said this so many times, we have the Peter Pan

00:24:35.220 equivalent of the lost boys.

00:24:37.180 We have tens of millions of fully mature infants or males that are not men that have no responsibility.

00:24:44.100 They own nothing.

00:24:45.320 They're full of substances.

00:24:46.580 They're overweight. 1.00

00:24:47.800 They have no direction and they're cowards. 0.99

00:24:50.320 And I can go into that further as to why that's obviously a problem. 0.99

00:24:53.100 I think it's pretty self-evident.

00:24:54.100 Yeah, I like the lost boys analogy.

00:24:56.820 The analogy I've used quite often too is Lord of the Rings, you know, where, where, you

00:25:00.840 know, you don't, or excuse me, Lord of the Flies, sorry, where you don't have.

00:25:04.380 It's exactly the same.

00:25:05.700 No, I mean, Lord of the Flies and lost boys are exactly the same.

00:25:08.900 Exactly.

00:25:09.440 Of idea where you're governed by the infants, basically.

00:25:11.560 Right.

00:25:12.120 Right.

00:25:12.440 And so what happens without that clear male, masculine, authoritative figure is they begin

00:25:20.200 to take it upon themselves.

00:25:21.180 And this is, I think, a big reason why we see the writing and the vandalism and the violence

00:25:25.280 and the looting, because these young men, these boys, regardless of what age they are, have

00:25:31.900 never learned to toe the line.

00:25:33.420 You know, you talk about football.

00:25:34.500 I had a, I had a football coach who got on my face.

00:25:36.740 I remember when I went to basic training, I saw the guys that I went to basic training

00:25:41.200 with, I could tell you just in the first 24 hours, who was accustomed to having another

00:25:47.140 grown man up in their face, yelling at them.

00:25:49.780 And who was never accustomed to that, who grew up without a father, who grew up without playing

00:25:54.340 sports.

00:25:54.800 I could tell because they broke within a 24 hour timeframe versus the men who played sports,

00:26:01.780 who had dads in their lives were unbreakable.

00:26:04.820 We're unshatterable at that point.

00:26:06.320 I like the term you use, brittle, right?

00:26:08.860 And so what the, what the feminists have done and the weak men is they say that that's inherently 1.00

00:26:13.780 abusive.

00:26:14.260 Look, I, I, I had coaches that probably borderline down abusive and I don't mean physically.

00:26:18.600 Okay.

00:26:19.000 I don't, but emotionally, they really pushed the envelope on that and made me a stronger

00:26:23.280 person.

00:26:23.700 Okay.

00:26:24.040 It did maybe a stronger person.

00:26:25.660 However, I wouldn't wish that upon somebody else.

00:26:27.880 However, they were the minority, the vast majority of coaches I had, they pushed me to the level

00:26:32.380 to make me better.

00:26:33.280 They, they, when they screamed and yelled at me, it wasn't that I was scared.

00:26:37.000 It was, they wanted you to get to that next level.

00:26:39.420 They wanted you to become a stronger person.

00:26:41.080 They expected you to take responsibility for yourself.

00:26:43.440 And so what, what the feminists have done is they say all of that moral discipline, all 0.99

00:26:48.720 of that, all of that male involvement, all of it is wrong because of the few examples

00:26:53.740 of abuse.

00:26:54.680 Therefore we must feminize everything. 1.00

00:26:56.360 Like, no, that's a really bad idea.

00:26:57.860 Okay.

00:26:58.500 In fact, it's an, it's a civilizational ending, bad idea.

00:27:01.820 Somebody said something to me the other day and I don't really remember what it was.

00:27:05.280 It might've been on a Starbucks or something where someone said, man, I have to go adult

00:27:08.860 today.

00:27:09.720 I said, excuse me.

00:27:11.200 You've heard this verb or like whatever.

00:27:12.620 It's a noun adult.

00:27:13.440 I would, I guess I have to go adult.

00:27:14.880 It would be a verb.

00:27:15.640 Yeah.

00:27:15.900 I have to go adult as if it's something I have to do.

00:27:18.260 And I asked, I said, do you mean that in a negative sense?

00:27:20.840 Like, yeah, I don't really want to do it.

00:27:22.160 I said, and I thought to myself, I said, okay, I just ended the conversation.

00:27:25.700 And then I really sat down and I turned off my phone and I thought to myself for like

00:27:29.300 five minutes.

00:27:29.860 Cause I was just so, it was just such a train wreck.

00:27:33.560 This is how you destroy your entire civilization.

00:27:36.240 When someone thinks that adulting is bad, I got to go adults right now, basically.

00:27:41.360 And it goes back to a philosopher by the name of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, a lot of the

00:27:44.960 American left, and I don't want to over-politicize this is just true.

00:27:47.400 A lot of the political left believes in this, which is they prefer the infant over the adult

00:27:52.680 and the primitive over the civilized.

00:27:54.160 He wrote that explicitly, Jean-Jacques Rousseau did, and he inspired Karl Marx.

00:27:58.740 And that is exactly where they want young boys to stay, is in the state of perpetual infancy.

00:28:05.980 You know, it's funny you talk about this.

00:28:09.440 We'll use the term, I don't even know if I want to use this term.

00:28:13.260 I was going to say emotional abuse, but you have these coaches, right?

00:28:15.380 That we're towing the line, but what's interesting is you have women who are, yeah, I get it.

00:28:19.760 I understand.

00:28:20.180 And I've been there too. 0.91

00:28:20.820 I've had great coaches and I've had dicks and I've had everywhere in between. 0.91

00:28:23.860 Yeah, precisely. 0.93

00:28:24.140 But you know what?

00:28:24.540 You kind of become tougher because of it, to be honest.

00:28:26.640 So anyway.

00:28:26.820 Right.

00:28:27.660 As long as you have the balance of the proper type of coaching to outweigh the negative coaching.

00:28:34.400 Because otherwise it becomes abuse, right?

00:28:36.700 And then you start to buy into it.

00:28:39.480 Yeah.

00:28:39.760 No, no, no.

00:28:40.120 And I think that critique is a valid one by the people that are saying, I think a critique

00:28:45.560 either internally or externally, that's a valid one.

00:28:48.300 What I think the prescription to try to fix it is to abolish all hierarchies of male pouring

00:28:55.340 into young people is a disaster. 1.00

00:28:57.180 And that's where they go immediately.

00:28:58.360 But anyway, the same can be said, though, for terrorizing women, where women can terrorize 0.99

00:29:03.880 other women and where teachers or whatever, older sisters to younger sisters, girlfriends 1.00

00:29:10.680 to girlfriends, or for women teachers to male students. 0.94

00:29:15.480 So it's not exclusively this idea.

00:29:18.140 I mean, you're exactly right.

00:29:19.040 The emotional manipulation that I've seen in some women just in hearing conversations 0.99

00:29:22.540 with men is absolutely insane.

00:29:24.260 And frankly, society has bought into that generally, you know, you look at, for example, the family

00:29:29.360 court system and this level of emotional manipulation from women to ostracize men from 1.00

00:29:36.040 their children, for example, is a real threat, not only to those men and their children, but

00:29:41.140 to society in general.

00:29:42.620 So I think women are just as guilty and I'm not putting it all on them, but just as guilty 0.99

00:29:46.820 of emotional manipulation as any man could be.

00:29:49.640 Yeah, and the idea that one sex or one gender has a monopoly on the manipulation exercise 1.00

00:29:57.600 is foolish and it doesn't look at any sort of reality or empirical experience at all. 0.92

00:30:03.280 It's anti-empiracist. 0.98

00:30:05.220 And so, yeah, and look, so when you ask yourself, how do we create stronger men?

00:30:10.040 How do we create, you know, a country where we have men take responsibility?

00:30:14.120 First of all, parents need to do a much better job and most of them aren't.

00:30:17.100 They're doing a horrendous job.

00:30:18.220 Young men should not get a smartphone until they're 16 or 17 or 18.

00:30:22.020 It's that simple.

00:30:22.940 Do not give them a phone.

00:30:24.120 These things are designed and programmed to have you be slaves to the Silicon Valley tech

00:30:28.920 oligarchs. 0.98

00:30:30.200 They are designed to be biochemically addictive, no different than big tobacco.

00:30:34.360 They've admitted this in congressional testimonies that they have created these devices to be

00:30:38.820 addictive for young people.

00:30:40.000 If you're a parent out there, take the phone away from your kid if they are not 16 years old

00:30:43.280 and go buy them a jitterbug, which is just a phone that they can call you in a time

00:30:46.460 of emergency.

00:30:46.920 That's how I grew up, and praise God, it was that way.

00:30:50.240 If I would have grown up in today's society getting phones when kids are 8, 9, 10 years

00:30:53.820 old, I would have been a wreck.

00:30:55.520 I would have been a quasi-cyborg where a lot of these people are being raised.

00:30:59.420 I agree.

00:31:00.300 For my two oldest, we have these gizmo watches is what they're called.

00:31:04.560 So they're just a watch.

00:31:05.440 They're synced to our data plan or whatever.

00:31:07.440 And they can call me, my wife, and maybe two or three other people.

00:31:10.920 And there's a few little minor games.

00:31:12.660 But all of the games on there are centered around physical activity.

00:31:15.980 So it's like, how many jumps can you do in 60 seconds, right?

00:31:19.280 But outside of that, no access to anything else.

00:31:23.260 Because I just think there is a larger plan at play here to have our children stray away

00:31:32.580 from their mothers and their fathers.

00:31:35.320 And unfortunately, it seems to be working.

00:31:37.540 Here's my test.

00:31:38.180 If you will not give your kid a firearm at that age, do not give them a smartphone.

00:31:42.520 You think it's that dangerous?

00:31:44.440 No, I know it is.

00:31:45.060 When we have seen a 200% increase in suicide for preteen women since the smartphone mobile

00:31:52.280 age, we have seen a dramatic increase in teenage suicides, self-harm, hospitalizations, cocaine,

00:31:58.260 alcohol usage, glorification of the worst aspects of society, objectification of women. 1.00

00:32:04.340 There's no doubt.

00:32:05.460 And most people would only use...

00:32:10.480 It's kind of funny.

00:32:11.620 Do I think it's...

00:32:12.280 I think it could be more dangerous than a firearm.

00:32:14.060 Absolutely.

00:32:15.060 I mean, a firearm is only used if a bad person uses it.

00:32:17.820 I know almost everybody that would have a smartphone would agree that it's made them

00:32:22.180 a less human, human being.

00:32:23.700 So if you are not willing to...

00:32:25.220 If you don't trust your child to give them a firearm, then do not give them a smartphone.

00:32:30.020 It's that simple.

00:32:30.600 And by the way, once they're at that age, that's fine.

00:32:32.700 Because it takes responsibility to be able to deal with these things.

00:32:34.620 They're weapons.

00:32:35.960 And not only that, but training.

00:32:37.820 You know, I look at my oldest.

00:32:38.760 He's 12.

00:32:39.540 And he's used a firearm.

00:32:41.080 In fact, we're going hunting this afternoon.

00:32:42.920 I found some turkeys on our lower property.

00:32:44.360 We're going out this afternoon when you and I are done here.

00:32:46.780 And I'm a big believer in young men being able to use guns early, by the way.

00:32:49.900 I think it's a very important thing.

00:32:51.240 As long as they have the structure, the guidance, the discipline, and everything that goes behind

00:32:56.020 it, it's not...

00:32:57.860 Yes, technically it is a weapon, but also it's known as a tool.

00:33:02.120 But you have to know how to use the tool effectively.

00:33:04.260 And I agree with that with smartphones, internet, et cetera, et cetera, that, you know, it's

00:33:08.760 only as effective as you use it.

00:33:10.420 And our children are not mature enough to be able to use this effectively.

00:33:14.300 No, but I just want to reinforce the point, though.

00:33:16.280 And you might have seen the documentary, A Netflix Social Dilemma.

00:33:20.300 Maybe not.

00:33:21.240 A lot of people are talking about it.

00:33:22.940 I deleted my Netflix account, but one of my friends let me see it.

00:33:26.520 I cannot reinforce this point enough.

00:33:28.380 These social media platforms are way more dangerous than you realize they have algorithms

00:33:34.220 that manipulate, monitor screen time, listen to your conversations, and track 12, 13, and

00:33:40.120 14-year-olds' needs, wants, interests, desires, anxieties in a very, very manipulative way.

00:33:45.360 And they are social programming our children.

00:33:47.700 And they've admitted to this.

00:33:49.320 And so that's why I try to use that analogy of fire numbers.

00:33:52.040 People usually say, what are you talking about?

00:33:53.500 That's kind of provocative.

00:33:55.180 No, it's true.

00:33:55.820 It's 100% true.

00:33:57.260 And that's the type of level that we have to have at this, because I'm telling you that

00:34:02.640 we are creating a more anxious, depressed, and suicidal generation because of these devices.

00:34:08.280 Well said.

00:34:09.260 I mean, I know that to be true.

00:34:11.180 I see my kids' friends who are involved in these things that are seemingly innocuous

00:34:16.820 or not that dangerous.

00:34:19.260 And I can see the difference.

00:34:20.920 Clearly, I can see the difference.

00:34:22.460 And it's a real shame.

00:34:23.500 And then we bought into the lie that, you know, this is what we need to be able to operate,

00:34:28.020 right?

00:34:28.240 And so we introduce these things to our kids young and it becomes a trap for them.

00:34:33.800 That's very dangerous.

00:34:35.300 It's not going to end well.

00:34:37.260 I want to shift gears a little bit.

00:34:38.760 You know, one of the first things you said is how involved and how much weight and emphasis

00:34:44.940 you place on, quote unquote, your mission.

00:34:47.120 What would you say your mission is?

00:34:48.760 I mean, I hate to phrase it this way.

00:34:52.400 I'm trying to save the country.

00:34:54.020 So, I mean, we've been given this incredible.

00:34:57.560 Oh, from boy, from people who are not grateful that they live in this country.

00:35:03.000 I mean, we have a counterinsurgency ideologically and culturally that quite honestly have a completely

00:35:08.800 different vision for America.

00:35:09.960 And I'm trying to save it from, I hate to be this political about it.

00:35:16.040 I'm trying to save it from the bitterness and ingratitude of the left.

00:35:20.260 I'm trying to save it from people that, quite honestly, they're angry that they live in America,

00:35:24.940 not thankful that they live here.

00:35:26.200 And I also believe very firmly that a country's ability or inability to communicate our founding values,

00:35:34.420 our core values and morals to young people, that will basically predict or be the judge

00:35:42.580 of whether or not your country will continue to exist.

00:35:45.620 And we have things so good in this country.

00:35:47.780 We have grown so comfortable.

00:35:49.680 It's so easy that we have no idea how easy this thing can all crumble.

00:35:57.820 And I deal with the most radical voices on the left.

00:36:01.740 I see their ideas being mainstreamed and platformed on a daily basis where police departments are

00:36:07.060 being defunded in Minneapolis and murder rates are up 40 percent, where pedophilia is

00:36:11.900 being decriminalized in California, where Section 145 decriminalizes pedophilia, where I

00:36:17.420 seen Cuties on Netflix.

00:36:20.180 If this is not a fire alarm for those of us that just believe in decency and believe in

00:36:24.340 normal American values, I'm obviously a conservative and I'm not unafraid to talk about it.

00:36:29.760 However, if you're not even political, this should concern you because there's a

00:36:33.720 disintegration happening in front of our very eyes.

00:36:36.520 And so, I mean, I hate to put it in those terms, you know, save the country, but that's

00:36:40.200 basically what I try to do.

00:36:42.920 Yeah, I don't think that's off.

00:36:44.380 You know, and I don't think you need to hate putting it in those terms because, you know,

00:36:48.640 I believe a lot of that.

00:36:49.680 I just don't want to make myself seem like I'm an Avenger character or something, but

00:36:52.580 yeah, I am trying to save the country.

00:36:55.020 I mean, let's be honest.

00:36:56.320 You know, a lot of us are in the industry, not only even informing, but entertaining too.

00:37:00.400 And so, you know, maybe we use some of that hyperbolic language, but, you know, I believe

00:37:04.440 when you say something that you don't mean it to be inflammatory, you don't mean it to

00:37:11.260 grandize, you're doing it because you genuinely believe it.

00:37:15.760 And there's some integrity there.

00:37:17.400 Look, there's going to be people who don't agree with me or you.

00:37:20.260 I know you're a polarizing figure, but at least there's some integrity here.

00:37:24.520 No, you don't try to be, but just through the nature of society, you are, right?

00:37:28.620 And I think anytime you find somebody who's convicted so strongly as you are, there's going

00:37:34.240 to be people who are strongly convicted in the exact opposite.

00:37:37.120 And that's what makes it polarizing.

00:37:38.640 But my question is, I don't disagree with that.

00:37:41.340 Go ahead.

00:37:41.980 Well, my question is why the hostility, you know, like now look, I happen to agree with 0.98

00:37:47.820 a lot of what you have to say, probably 99% of what you say, but let's take the 1% or

00:37:52.960 even if it was more, I can't imagine myself being so hostile towards you or anybody else

00:37:57.560 that, you know, I wish you violence or death or any catastrophe to fall upon you.

00:38:02.400 But it seems to me that not only are we polarized, we wish violence on people.

00:38:08.300 I don't understand where this is stemming from.

00:38:12.840 I mean, it's part of a belief that has grown from postmodernism in our country where they

00:38:18.360 believe dialogue and discussion is dangerous and not just dangerous.

00:38:22.300 They think it's evil.

00:38:23.960 Look, there's two ways to govern human beings.

00:38:26.260 Aristotle said it best.

00:38:27.400 We as human beings are the speaking beings.

00:38:29.620 So Aristotle, of course, the student of Plato, who is the student of Socrates, the ancient

00:38:35.360 classics that built ancient Rome, kind of the birthplace of a lot of the ideas that we

00:38:40.300 discuss here in the West.

00:38:42.720 Aristotle famously said, what makes us different than any other creature on the planet is we

00:38:46.840 can talk.

00:38:48.180 We should not forget that.

00:38:50.260 So there's two ways to govern humans.

00:38:52.760 One way is through talking and speaking, convincing, reasoning, getting together in a room and coming

00:38:58.080 together and saying, this is a bad idea.

00:38:59.500 It's a good idea.

00:39:00.340 Let's have some new one and some compromise.

00:39:02.400 OK, the other way is by force.

00:39:03.940 I have a bigger army, a bigger sword, and I'm willing to use it. 0.99

00:39:07.260 Shut up. 0.98

00:39:08.320 Most of human history has been governed by force, not talking and speaking. 0.99

00:39:13.520 The American idea, the American experiment was let's govern by speaking and talking.

00:39:18.380 So now we have a devolution back to this idea of governing by force.

00:39:25.740 I cannot get a liberal to talk to me on my podcast.

00:39:28.300 I can't find one.

00:39:29.420 Why?

00:39:30.080 I'll go talk on any liberal podcast.

00:39:31.680 They never invite me on theirs and they won't come on mine.

00:39:34.820 They believe speech is evil.

00:39:36.900 They believe that if they come talk to me, they're validating a dialogue that will only

00:39:44.640 make the country less likely from being made in their image.

00:39:47.980 So I want to make the differentiation between leftists and liberals.

00:39:51.460 Leftists do not believe in speech.

00:39:53.140 Liberals generally do.

00:39:54.620 I can't find many liberals out there.

00:39:57.620 And I welcome this.

00:39:59.420 Go ahead.

00:40:00.060 I was going to say, Charlie, it's funny you say this because I know as we release this

00:40:04.740 conversation between, between each other, I'm going to get a lot of messages.

00:40:09.160 Like, I can't believe you'd give him a platform.

00:40:11.900 Look, why wouldn't I?

00:40:14.500 Why wouldn't I?

00:40:15.520 Look, if your information is good, wouldn't we want to know?

00:40:19.020 And if your information is bad, wouldn't we want to expose that?

00:40:22.860 Just tell me one thing I've said that's wrong or reprehensible and come tell me about it.

00:40:27.340 That's my whole thing.

00:40:28.000 I mean, just to reinforce it, I go to a college campus.

00:40:30.540 I sit down there for three hours and anyone can come up to me with their own camera and 1.00

00:40:37.840 film me and make me look like an idiot at any time. 0.99

00:40:39.780 I sit there and I wait for you. 0.99

00:40:42.160 And I got the inspiration from, you know, Stephen Crowder, who's terrific.

00:40:45.360 Just sat there and said, come up to me.

00:40:48.240 Got a problem with me.

00:40:49.160 Talk to me about it.

00:40:49.960 If we stop talking, we are going to get into brute physical conflict.

00:40:53.520 I don't want that.

00:40:54.780 BLM does. 0.99

00:40:56.020 They're burning down cities.

00:40:57.460 They're being validated by mainstream Democrats.

00:41:00.840 They're being bailed out of prison.

00:41:02.740 They're being told that if you have a need to loot, you can loot.

00:41:05.680 They're being allowed to destroy the fabric of our society.

00:41:09.260 Why don't you talk about things?

00:41:11.100 Because again, you read their literature, read Michel Foucault, you read Jacques Derrida,

00:41:15.780 you read Herbert Marcuse, you read the Frankfurt School literature.

00:41:19.100 They believe dialogue is the problem.

00:41:21.900 They took exception with Socrates.

00:41:23.520 They do not think speaking is important.

00:41:27.120 What you and I are doing here is healthy.

00:41:29.640 It's robust. 0.97

00:41:30.680 If I say something really foolish, you're going to tell me that. 0.67

00:41:33.640 If you say something really good, I'm going to compliment you. 0.92

00:41:36.560 Again, we are speaking beings.

00:41:38.380 This is what makes us different than primates. 0.69

00:41:40.940 You get rid of that, then you're going to tear each other's heads off.

00:41:44.700 That's where we were for 3,000, 4,000 years.

00:41:46.960 And so, yeah, I'm more worried about the direction of our country than ever before because we've

00:41:55.620 completely lost that.

00:41:56.620 Then we have tech companies that kick people off just because they have different opinions,

00:42:00.820 which is a very real threat.

00:42:02.400 And they have far too much power, these tech companies do.

00:42:04.780 Something I can agree with the left on if they're actually honest about it.

00:42:08.260 So yeah, look, these are legitimate things.

00:42:10.080 So look, the country is not going to continue to survive at this pace.

00:42:13.620 It's just not.

00:42:14.060 And so it's a very dangerous, dangerous trajectory.

00:42:17.320 How do you bring people to the table?

00:42:20.080 You know, I mean, I think about it, for example, and people say, oh, Ryan, you're in an echo

00:42:23.920 chamber.

00:42:24.420 And yeah, I actually agree with that to some degree because those who view things differently

00:42:30.600 than me, and I'm sure you're experiencing this as well, like you just said, they won't

00:42:35.720 talk to you, right?

00:42:36.780 And so like, I'll have you on and guys will say, well, why don't you have somebody from

00:42:39.820 the left on?

00:42:40.340 It's like, who?

00:42:42.040 Go find one.

00:42:42.860 Who?

00:42:43.000 But who?

00:42:43.840 Like, I'll talk with them.

00:42:45.540 Who? 0.89

00:42:45.960 Yeah, but the left thinks that men are poisonous. 1.00

00:42:49.440 I mean, just the name of your podcast, an entire political party thinks that they think

00:42:53.780 your podcast name is evil.

00:42:55.700 And you had Maisie Hirono during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings tell men to sit down and 0.97

00:43:00.000 shut up. 0.95

00:43:01.520 I mean, this is a mainstream American political party that's been trying to destroy the man 0.99

00:43:05.640 for quite some time now.

00:43:06.720 So how do you bring these people to the table, though, Charlie?

00:43:09.820 I mean, that's the question is like, can you?

00:43:11.720 I don't.

00:43:12.600 I mean, what I'm trying, what I'll give two names in particular, James Lindsay and Peter

00:43:16.740 Boghossian, they're two liberals that did come on my podcast to actually bash the same 1.00

00:43:20.900 things that you and I are bashing.

00:43:22.700 Believe it or not.

00:43:23.160 They came to me saying that the left is unafraid to talk.

00:43:25.720 Like, so that and I guess that's the best way to do it.

00:43:29.800 I'm going to keep on going into their environments to try to have these discussions.

00:43:34.400 I don't I don't know.

00:43:36.000 And there's not a lot of things I'll answer with the answer.

00:43:38.980 I don't know, because I'm not saying I know a lot.

00:43:40.880 I just usually I haven't answered a couple of things.

00:43:43.900 There if they're unwilling to engage, if they're unwilling to lock into any form of a

00:43:48.760 dialectic there, it's almost a nonstarter.

00:43:52.460 And we're reinforcing it with our five-year-olds and our six-year-olds and our seven-year-olds.

00:43:56.460 And it's really interesting.

00:43:57.480 Back in the 80s and 90s, a big fear from the left is they would say, we can't give power

00:44:03.380 to all those Christians because they're going to be fundamentalists and they're going to 0.99

00:44:06.020 come after us.

00:44:06.960 And it's gonna be a theocracy.

00:44:08.060 You probably remember this period in American history.

00:44:10.080 Of course.

00:44:10.660 And the exact opposite has happened.

00:44:13.140 The sect as the as America became more secular and the left took power, they became evangelical,

00:44:17.980 not Christian evangelical.

00:44:19.440 They're the ones that are basically they think this is like a holy war. 0.60

00:44:22.460 They think like, if you don't agree with me, I'm going to destroy your life.

00:44:26.000 And kind of if you don't agree with me, I'm kind of like, all right, whatever.

00:44:28.960 That's fine.

00:44:29.560 I guess.

00:44:30.200 Sure.

00:44:30.940 I don't obsess over it.

00:44:32.500 But these people are so convinced to destroy you.

00:44:35.920 If you do not hold their opinion, it's it's incredibly pathological.

00:44:42.040 Do you I'm just taking some notes, Charlie.

00:44:44.940 So as I look down, I don't want you to think I'm checking my phone or anything.

00:44:47.240 I'm taking notes.

00:44:47.820 But, you know, as the things you say in the the situations you expose yourself to, do you

00:44:54.200 do you fear for your safety?

00:44:57.420 I mean, I get death threats.

00:44:58.680 I've had to get the FBI involved.

00:45:00.460 You know, we've had our house deemed, you know, targeted many different times.

00:45:04.980 I can't walk in a college campus without 10 armed guards, helicopter support at times.

00:45:09.520 I have security and stuff. 0.99

00:45:10.920 But these people are cowards. 0.97

00:45:12.240 If they want to do something against me, whatever. 0.98

00:45:14.820 I mean, that's part of the game.

00:45:16.560 The physical safety piece of it, I think, is mostly bluster and empty threats.

00:45:20.920 And someone really has a problem with me, then come find me.

00:45:24.380 And, you know, I'm not trying to say that in like some sort of tough guy way, but I've

00:45:28.480 been kicked out of restaurants.

00:45:29.360 I've been physically threatened.

00:45:30.500 I've had stuff thrown at me about Antifa, follow me through the streets.

00:45:33.460 I've had all that sort of stuff.

00:45:35.080 And so when you say I'm convicted, you're right.

00:45:37.740 I've been fighting these people for quite some time.

00:45:39.620 So, yeah, I think I saw, it must have been a couple of years ago, you and Candace Owens,

00:45:45.540 if I believe.

00:45:46.500 Yeah.

00:45:46.740 Were you in a restaurant or you were trying to have lunch together?

00:45:50.080 Yeah, we were in a breakfast restaurant in Philadelphia.

00:45:50.760 Yeah.

00:45:50.980 The Green Eggs Cafe, minding her own business.

00:45:53.540 And Antifa came, mobilized, came into the restaurant, ran us out of the restaurant, threw

00:45:57.820 objects at us. 0.93

00:45:59.680 You know, police had to come, you know, and all white Antifa liberals screaming at a black 0.97

00:46:06.780 conservative saying that she's not black. 0.95

00:46:08.380 Interesting.

00:46:09.920 Yeah.

00:46:10.320 Isn't that an interesting thing?

00:46:11.500 I think, oh, I mean, let's talk about that for a second.

00:46:15.240 Let's talk about race.

00:46:16.480 You know, I think a lot of this is, you know, the powers that would be trying to light a fire

00:46:22.440 a little bit and to instigate.

00:46:26.440 And you see these type of conversations.

00:46:27.920 I'm really curious about your take on race just in society in general as it is currently.

00:46:34.880 Yeah, I think we're actually a lot less racist and more decent to each other than

00:46:38.300 BLM Incorporated and any of the activist media would ever lead you to believe.

00:46:41.560 In fact, I'll go to say that we're the least racist, most accepting country ever to exist

00:46:46.060 in the history of the world ever.

00:46:48.660 And I'm let me just go back by saying I grew up in an America in 2008 to 2012.

00:46:54.040 I went to high school in the suburbs of Chicago, a 53 percent English as a second language high

00:46:58.520 school.

00:46:58.700 As a white person, I was a minority as a white person in my high school, Wheeling High

00:47:03.760 School.

00:47:04.020 You can look up the demographic info.

00:47:05.680 It is a majority Hispanic high school.

00:47:07.700 My best friends were everything from illegal aliens to immigrants from Jamaica to African

00:47:12.360 Americans to blacks, you name it, right? 0.83

00:47:14.320 Polish.

00:47:15.580 I say this with a lot of reflection being done to this.

00:47:20.920 We did not care about each other's skin color. 0.76

00:47:23.540 We looked at each other as human beings.

00:47:24.920 And I grew up in that post-racial America. 0.52

00:47:27.420 I experienced it.

00:47:28.680 I know it can happen.

00:47:29.920 I lived through it.

00:47:31.040 We treated each other decently.

00:47:32.900 Everyone had the same opportunities as anyone else in our public high school.

00:47:36.920 There was an institutional racism. 0.99

00:47:38.980 There was any of that crap. 0.99

00:47:40.380 It didn't exist. 0.98

00:47:41.760 So that's why I take a very firm stance on this race issue. 0.68

00:47:45.560 And so whatever they might say, we're systemically racist.

00:47:48.300 We are not.

00:47:49.480 Absolutely not.

00:47:51.140 And so they point to a couple subset of statistics. 0.98

00:47:53.320 They say, well, blacks are doing worse than whites. 0.98

00:47:56.280 I say, wait a second. 0.99

00:47:57.380 You mean that if you look at the data, a black child married to a black child who is raised

00:48:04.880 by a mother and father who stay loyally married is far more likely to succeed than

00:48:10.440 a white kid that is raised by a single mother.

00:48:12.360 It's that simple.

00:48:13.300 It is not a race issue.

00:48:14.620 It is a father issue.

00:48:16.440 And we have subsidized fatherlessness from the top down to the Great Society Act.

00:48:20.160 We've emasculated fathers.

00:48:21.240 We've been through that.

00:48:21.820 Our public school system has been hyper-feminized.

00:48:25.100 And you repeat that cycle over the last couple decades.

00:48:27.900 Yeah, you're going to get the outcomes you get.

00:48:29.620 That's not a racism problem.

00:48:31.160 That's a family problem.

00:48:33.040 And here's another great example as to how we're not a systemically racist country.

00:48:36.340 And again, I lean in on these racist issues.

00:48:38.460 No holds barred.

00:48:39.520 You know, most people are afraid to have these conversations.

00:48:41.820 You're not allowed to talk as a... 0.99

00:48:42.980 They're like, oh, you're not allowed to say this as a white man.

00:48:44.780 I'm like, why? 0.97

00:48:45.220 You're racist. 1.00

00:48:45.520 Right, you're white. 1.00

00:48:46.320 Look, I'm a white, straight man.

00:48:47.880 And I know you've heard this more than me.

00:48:51.260 Every time somebody says that, I'm like, oh, so what?

00:48:54.000 I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

00:48:55.440 I'm not allowed to share my perspective because I'm white and I'm straight. 0.98

00:48:58.540 This is ridiculous. 0.91

00:49:00.080 Well, and by the way, truth transcends skin color. 0.97

00:49:01.860 So I couldn't...

00:49:02.500 Whoever believes that, you're racist.

00:49:03.880 You're judging people by the color of your skin.

00:49:05.600 But the greatest example of all this is Nigerian immigrants to America. 1.00

00:49:09.300 Nigerian immigrants to America are the most successful immigrant ethnic group to America

00:49:13.020 over the last 25 years.

00:49:14.060 They're black and they've succeeded unbelievably well.

00:49:17.580 In fact, I could read an article from Aussie.com.

00:49:20.620 Aussie.com, which is a left-wing publication, generally.

00:49:24.660 They're partners with Vox and many others, where they say we need more Nigerian immigrants

00:49:29.760 in America because they succeed at such high rates.

00:49:33.140 So either Aussie, the far left-wing publication, either they hate Nigerian immigrants because

00:49:38.440 they want them to come to a systemically racist country, or they actually might be looking

00:49:41.740 at the same data that I am, which is that we're not systemically racist.

00:49:45.740 Why do Nigerians do so well in this country? 1.00

00:49:47.680 I'll tell you why.

00:49:48.560 In the Nigerian culture, family is everything.

00:49:51.920 Everything.

00:49:52.740 In Nigeria, they have the highest birth rates of any country in Africa.

00:49:55.720 They're the most populated country in Africa.

00:49:57.720 The Nigerian culture, for whatever reason, and there's plenty of good books written on this,

00:50:02.180 is a country and a culture of monogamous marriage, of intergenerational family supporting

00:50:08.380 and living with each other, of working hard, of valuing education.

00:50:12.720 So if Nigerians can do so well in this country with coming with nothing and entering with 1.00

00:50:17.980 nothing, and these are liberal publications that are saying this, by the way, Bloomberg,

00:50:21.700 Aussie, Vox, you name it.

00:50:23.400 You can look it up.

00:50:23.940 There's type in Nigerian immigrant success stories, and the data shows it.

00:50:27.440 They do better than white Americans in our country. 1.00

00:50:29.920 Maybe the country's not rigged for just a skin color.

00:50:32.160 Maybe the country's set up to reward choices.

00:50:36.340 And so I am really exhausted looking and viewing it.

00:50:43.540 Personal people that do not understand the landscape, they don't understand the statistics

00:50:46.960 or data, but they're incredibly driven emotively by a couple issues in the news that they're

00:50:53.620 supposed to be outraged about, even though they know nothing about it, like the Breonna 1.00

00:50:56.340 Taylor case, which is ridiculous.

00:50:58.540 Made a whole video on that.

00:50:59.560 Happy to dive into that if you want to, where you're told to be mad about something when

00:51:03.760 the data does not reflect any bit at all whatsoever.

00:51:07.520 Well, you know, the hard part is, is that most of us, and look, I've fallen prey to this

00:51:11.100 as well.

00:51:11.460 It's like, I don't need the data.

00:51:12.600 Just give me the clickbait, you know?

00:51:15.320 And so you look at these titles and it's like, oh, I've got everything I need.

00:51:19.360 Well, no, you actually don't because not only is there not more information buried in the

00:51:23.940 article, there's more information that goes on behind the scenes that is not even in the

00:51:28.480 article.

00:51:29.560 Yeah, I mean, let me tell you something we should be worried about in our country right

00:51:32.580 now.

00:51:33.020 We're on pace to have 500,000 less children next year than this year.

00:51:36.640 That warrants a nationwide conversation.

00:51:39.460 Let me tell you a real crisis in our country.

00:51:41.240 It's not police officers killing black people, okay?

00:51:43.640 That happens less likely than you are to be struck by lightning, just so you understand, 0.95

00:51:47.940 statistically.

00:51:49.120 A real crisis?

00:51:50.560 One in four young people have contemplated suicide in the last 90 days, according to CDC.

00:51:54.620 When no real crisis?

00:51:55.420 Antidepressants are now the most prescribed medication for the people under the age of

00:51:58.920 30.

00:52:00.320 Alcoholism, cocaine, self-harm, hospitalizations, they're all up.

00:52:03.520 You want to know a real crisis?

00:52:04.760 100,000 small businesses have gone under since March.

00:52:07.320 So the media, in their hypnotic ways, the simulation, as I like to call it, they're telling you to

00:52:14.720 believe the sequence of lies.

00:52:17.460 And this is propagated by LeBron James and by the National Basketball Association and the

00:52:22.780 National Football League and our major corporations that were systemically racist.

00:52:26.800 First of all, no, we're not.

00:52:28.520 Second of all, there are 280 other issues that I could list ahead of policing in America as the

00:52:35.340 biggest issue in our country.

00:52:36.760 Family formation, drug addiction, sedating our children, communicating our values, literacy

00:52:41.680 rates, all those things matter abundantly more.

00:52:44.260 As I mentioned, birth rates going down, most people don't talk about this.

00:52:47.680 Go to the Brookings Institution study from June of this last year, June or July, published

00:52:52.600 by Bloomberg, civilizational collapse upcoming, the unintended consequence of the coronavirus.

00:52:58.280 So we're on pace to have nearly a cut in half of our birth rate and no one knows this.

00:53:04.900 Wow.

00:53:05.940 That's interesting.

00:53:06.760 You know, it's funny you say this because just last night we had some friends.

00:53:09.500 I live in Maine.

00:53:10.180 I had, we had some friends come through.

00:53:11.940 Oh, I love Maine.

00:53:12.540 That's beautiful.

00:53:13.960 They're from Utah.

00:53:14.960 They came up here and we were talking with her, her, her, her daughter-in-law.

00:53:21.820 My grandma is about to have her 101st grandchild.

00:53:29.660 Wow.

00:53:30.240 I can't, I can't even, I'm thinking about that.

00:53:32.340 I'm like, I can't even fathom.

00:53:33.220 Wait, are they from Utah?

00:53:34.000 They're from Utah.

00:53:34.660 Of course.

00:53:35.040 Right.

00:53:35.300 Yeah.

00:53:35.560 Of course.

00:53:36.020 Large families.

00:53:36.360 Yeah.

00:53:36.520 They probably LDS.

00:53:37.940 So yeah.

00:53:38.140 Yes, of course.

00:53:39.480 And I am too.

00:53:40.500 So like, I completely understand that.

00:53:42.500 We have large families.

00:53:43.540 We bring a lot of kids into the world.

00:53:44.580 No, I think it's great.

00:53:45.160 Don't get me wrong.

00:53:45.700 I'm applauding it.

00:53:46.880 I think it's awesome.

00:53:47.380 I've, I've talked with, with people who are very, very concerned about bringing kids

00:53:52.260 into the world in this environment.

00:53:53.500 And I can't personally think of a better way to reverse the trend of society than to

00:53:57.880 bring an army of young men and women who are raised in righteousness into this world

00:54:03.820 to reverse the trends that we're seeing in society right now.

00:54:07.360 Completely.

00:54:08.020 Yes.

00:54:08.380 And so one of the major reasons why people say they're not having kids is because of

00:54:12.140 fear.

00:54:12.640 You're right.

00:54:13.180 Number two is socioeconomic reasons.

00:54:15.660 And then also just three that we socially isolate ourselves so much.

00:54:19.720 And this sounds really strange.

00:54:21.260 We have more single young people than married young people.

00:54:24.240 We have a crisis of young men that are afraid to approach women because they're afraid they'll

00:54:28.140 be accused of something.

00:54:29.080 They're uncomfortable in that kind of situation or scenario.

00:54:31.600 And they have no masculinity in themselves at all whatsoever to be able to have a meaningful

00:54:36.120 relationship.

00:54:37.380 Right.

00:54:37.780 So yeah, that's, this has long-term generational consequences to it where, yeah, look, the

00:54:45.000 federal, this is what people say, well, what would you do about this politically?

00:54:47.980 Because I try to have somewhat of a solution for every problem.

00:54:51.680 We should sell the federal lands out West to young families under the age of 30 for almost 1.00

00:54:56.200 dime on a dollar to go have many children.

00:54:58.940 It's that simple.

00:54:59.980 We should make it easier to have big families.

00:55:03.080 It sounds, uh, it sounds oversimplified, but I would have to agree.

00:55:08.540 You know, I've heard, um, we did it before.

00:55:10.300 It's just, it's homesteading is what it is.

00:55:12.700 I mean, and that's, that's part of the reason we moved out here.

00:55:15.500 You know, we've got just under 50 acres.

00:55:17.020 We moved out here.

00:55:17.780 We homeschool our children.

00:55:18.820 And we have for the past two years now, we've got big family, we've got neighbors who have

00:55:22.420 big families and I love this style.

00:55:24.940 Um, you know, one of the things I'm seeing, and I think this is, is very deliberate and

00:55:29.900 intentional as a dismantling, not only of the family unit, uh, but also of the church.

00:55:34.360 And I think the church in a lot of ways has replaced the family unit.

00:55:37.100 That's where people gain a lot of their values from and understand how we operate successfully

00:55:42.340 in society.

00:55:43.860 Um, you know, and I've heard people that you're connected with talk about how culture precedes

00:55:49.480 politics, right?

00:55:50.840 And this is exactly what we're talking about, a culture of family, a culture of values through

00:55:55.340 the church, whether that's the LDS church or the Catholic church, or some denomination

00:55:59.360 of Christianity, this is where our values are derived from.

00:56:02.420 And it's being dismantled right before our eyes.

00:56:05.720 Yes.

00:56:06.300 And the church is now playing in a lot of different churches and obvious, you know, exceptions

00:56:11.100 are my pastor, Rob McCoy, and many others that do such a great job, you know, communicating

00:56:16.180 these values is now a lot of them are complicit in these disintegrationist movements of our

00:56:20.500 country.

00:56:21.500 So, um, well, I think we bought into the notion as a Christian, uh, that, that somehow, I don't

00:56:28.600 think it would be this, this, this deliberate, but almost that, that we're supposed to be

00:56:32.940 weak as opposed to meek.

00:56:34.600 And that's actually the reason I reached out to you.

00:56:36.700 I've had you on my radar for a long time because I followed what you're doing.

00:56:39.520 And I listened to the conversation last week or a couple of weeks ago that you had with

00:56:43.100 Pastor Rob and I thought, man, I, I really got to pull the trigger on this and get Charlie

00:56:47.200 on the podcast.

00:56:48.200 Thank you.

00:56:48.700 Yeah, man.

00:56:49.200 What you guys shared was so, so powerful.

00:56:51.920 And I love to hear not only from you, but from Pastor Rob, strong Christian men who are

00:56:58.180 unafraid to share your, your perception of the way that we can make this society better.

00:57:06.100 And it seems like there's a lot of Christians out there who are afraid to do it.

00:57:08.940 And it's a question of how, how do you want yourself to be governed?

00:57:12.920 It's a question of, do you, uh, civil society is not a place where Christians should compartmentalize

00:57:18.440 our worldview.

00:57:19.460 We should be actively involved in it.

00:57:21.020 And so in California, when they're passing SB 145, which decriminalizes pedophilia and

00:57:26.180 the American church is generally silent on that, we'll be judged for that.

00:57:30.040 Oh my goodness.

00:57:30.880 Will we be judged for that?

00:57:32.100 And so, you know, I can go through a variety of different reasons and disappointments and struggles

00:57:37.060 with that, but the American church needs to rise up in huge numbers right now.

00:57:40.940 And if your pastor still has your church closed or is bowing to BLM incorporated, this lie 0.67

00:57:46.120 of systemic racism or critical race theory, leave that church, do it respectfully and do

00:57:49.960 it lovingly.

00:57:50.780 Get out.

00:57:51.720 It is not worthy of your time or your tithes.

00:57:54.920 I actually saw a video, um, just before you and I hopped on the call of, uh, he must've

00:57:59.440 been a pastor of a church and, and he was outside in what looked like a parking lot.

00:58:03.380 And there was circles spray painted in the parking lot and they were distanced.

00:58:09.280 And, and so he had his congregation there.

00:58:11.300 Well, the video was him being arrested.

00:58:13.300 You know, his congregation was there.

00:58:14.540 They were singing hymns.

00:58:15.440 They were worshiping and he was being arrested.

00:58:18.240 Is that where it was?

00:58:19.140 Okay.

00:58:19.440 Because apparently because he had, I don't know, no mask on or because he congregated all

00:58:23.980 these people, whatever, whatever the reason was crazy.

00:58:27.620 Yeah.

00:58:28.120 And look, this is, they're going to keep, and by the way, BLM incorporated can march through 0.80

00:58:31.380 the streets and destroy and savage our cities and act like thugs and criminals. 0.73

00:58:36.980 And they don't get arrested for that, but pastors open their church and they get criminalized

00:58:42.020 and they get arrested for that, man, it's time for the church to wake up to this.

00:58:47.020 Well, and I think this is where the, uh, the silent majority needs to stop being so silent.

00:58:51.360 You know, I, I think of myself and I'm like, you know, I just want, I really, here's what

00:58:57.000 I want, Charlie.

00:58:58.300 I want to be left alone.

00:59:00.260 I want to do my work.

00:59:01.740 I want to raise my kids.

00:59:03.460 I want to work my land.

00:59:05.440 And I just want to have some experiences with a little money in the bank account.

00:59:08.800 That's it.

00:59:09.800 And if you can just leave me alone to do that, that would be fine.

00:59:12.180 And traditionally that's been the case for the last almost four decades of my life.

00:59:16.260 It seems to me that there's a real reason for me to stop being so silent and actually

00:59:20.740 get involved at this point.

00:59:23.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.360 And we have an opportunity to do that in November.

00:59:25.480 And I'll tell you that if you, if you want to be left alone and work your land, Joe Biden's

00:59:30.200 not your guy.

00:59:30.860 I'll tell you that.

00:59:31.740 But, uh, you know, president Trump, he has, he has delivered amazing results for our country.

00:59:36.920 And it really is a referendum on what kind of country we want to live in.

00:59:40.000 One that respects speech and wants to go about our differences in a civil way or one that

00:59:44.120 you want to take to the streets.

00:59:45.680 And so that's, uh, it's what I'll be working on from now to the election.

00:59:49.780 I have no doubt you will.

00:59:50.580 Well, Hey, personal question for you.

00:59:52.140 Um, you seem to be somebody who is very, very, very well researched.

00:59:56.940 Do you have all this information?

00:59:58.640 Obviously you're an intelligent human being.

01:00:00.820 How do you balance being well-researched, but then also taking so much time to be able

01:00:07.580 to articulate and communicate that with the public?

01:00:10.340 Cause sometimes it seems like those are at odds with each other.

01:00:12.760 I can either research or I can communicate.

01:00:15.020 How do you balance that out for yourself?

01:00:16.600 Yeah.

01:00:17.380 Every night I turn off my phone and I do at least an hour and a half to two hours of reading

01:00:21.400 and research, watching lectures, reading great books, listening, you know, reading good articles

01:00:26.800 and thoughtful scholarship.

01:00:27.900 And then I try to bring that over into the next day.

01:00:30.300 And so just was working through Aristotle recently, which is where I kind of derived some of my comments today,

01:00:35.480 where I found what he taught, taught, you know, spoke about, about speaking, kind of funny, uh, so important.

01:00:40.600 And so I tell everyone, read more and speak less.

01:00:43.360 It's very important.

01:00:44.080 And so if I'm doing three hours of podcasting a day, I should be reading more than that.

01:00:48.220 And that's, uh, that's a lot of time.

01:00:49.860 You know, I, I value scholarship and research a lot.

01:00:53.160 And again, I'm constantly learning.

01:00:55.080 Uh, the more I learn, the more I realize how little I knew when I thought I knew it all.

01:01:01.920 Hmm.

01:01:03.180 You talk about it being a lot of time, but it's no more time than any other man, myself included, has in a day.

01:01:08.820 It's just how we spend it.

01:01:10.300 That's right.

01:01:11.020 That's exactly right.

01:01:12.220 So, well, Charlie, I want to be respectful of your time on that note and, uh, just let you know, I appreciate what you're doing.

01:01:17.020 I appreciate, uh, your willingness to share in, in, in the face of, uh, an uphill battle at times.

01:01:23.940 It seems like, but, uh, a noble fight for sure.

01:01:26.300 So, uh, thank you for joining us.

01:01:28.060 Thank you for doing what you do.

01:01:29.100 And, uh, I really appreciate you being willing to share the courageousness of that as well.

01:01:32.960 I appreciate it.

01:01:33.920 Talk to you soon.

01:01:34.480 Thank you.

01:01:34.920 Thanks brother.

01:01:37.200 Gentlemen, there you go.

01:01:38.140 My conversation from 2020 with Mr. Charlie Kirk.

01:01:41.960 I hope you enjoyed it.

01:01:42.920 I hope it stood out to you.

01:01:44.580 I went back and I listened to this podcast and some of the topics, most of the topics we address on this podcast are just as relevant today, if not more so than they ever were.

01:01:53.960 Uh, as I mentioned, when I started the podcast, uh, today, I said, please give your prayers.

01:01:59.420 I know there's a lot of people who say thoughts and prayers aren't enough.

01:02:02.540 And I agree with that.

01:02:03.760 They're not enough.

01:02:05.200 Uh, they're a start and they work.

01:02:07.860 Our thoughts and prayers and condolences and, uh, beliefs in what Charlie was doing and what he was trying to accomplish can go some of the way.

01:02:16.560 But at the end of the day, we have to put in the work.

01:02:18.840 We have to make an effort to reclaim and restore masculinity.

01:02:22.060 We have to advocate for truth.

01:02:24.640 We need to speak up against degeneracy and perversion, and we need to make ourselves better men and in turn work to make our families better people, more protected, more provided for, and lead them in righteousness.

01:02:39.980 That is our goal to protect, provide, preside.

01:02:42.440 I believe from where I sit and the conversations that I had with Charlie, not only on that podcast, but the subsequent texts and messages that we shared on social media, that this was a man who was trying to do just that.

01:02:54.220 He was trying to protect.

01:02:55.960 He was trying to provide for his family and for this country.

01:02:58.880 And he was leading in righteousness, in truth, in courage.

01:03:03.180 And you don't have to agree with everything the man said to understand that this is horrific, it's tragic, it's unnecessary, and we need to completely abolish this behavior from society.

01:03:16.460 So we got a lot of work to do.

01:03:17.800 I'm going to have some marching orders for you guys here soon, but keep in mind that, uh, we are an army of men who believe in truth and righteousness, regardless of what aisle that we sit on.

01:03:27.140 But it is important that we put ourselves out there, that we share the truth, that we walk and speak in boldness and courage and conviction.

01:03:37.380 And Charlie did just that.

01:03:39.400 Let's honor him by continuing the work, picking up the mantle and the torch that he left behind and make this world a better place.

01:03:52.600 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast.

01:03:55.240 If you're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be, we invite you to join the Order at orderofman.com.

Order of Man - September 11, 2025

CHARLIE KIRK ｜ Are Men the Enemy？

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