Order of Man - CLINT EMERSON ｜ Combat Skills for Good, Not Evil

00:00:00.000 Personal combat isn't something that most of us are likely to engage in anytime soon,

00:00:05.420 but with seemingly increasing threats such as rioting and looting, home invasions, active

00:00:12.060 shooter situations, your ability to administer violence in the right scenario might just

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00:00:20.300 That's why I really enjoyed my conversation today with my guest, Clint Emerson.

00:00:24.400 He's made a career in life out of understanding violence and how to use it effectively.

00:00:28.820 And in his new book, 100 Deadly Skills Combat Edition, he breaks down basic combat skills

00:00:35.040 that every man ought to learn and become proficient in.

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00:03:00.440 All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest.

00:03:02.860 His name is Clint Emerson.

00:03:04.680 He is a friend.

00:03:06.340 I've known him for years now.

00:03:07.360 He's a former Navy SEAL.

00:03:08.480 He's a New York Times bestselling author.

00:03:10.580 He also hosts with the Warrior Poet Society Network, an exclusive show where he has traveled

00:03:17.420 the country to interview and learn from the deadliest men in the United States.

00:03:21.620 Uh, in fact, much of what he learned while he was on the road, he incorporated into his

00:03:27.620 new book, 100 Deadly Skills Combat Edition.

00:03:31.380 Uh, Clint's also the founder of Escape the Wolf, which provides active shooter training

00:03:35.580 and, uh, cyber threat awareness, medical response, natural disaster preparedness, a ton

00:03:40.960 more.

00:03:41.660 Uh, and as I mentioned earlier, he has made a life of understanding violence and administering

00:03:48.060 it effectively.

00:03:48.800 Clint, what's up, man?

00:03:51.500 It's good to see you again.

00:03:53.280 You too, buddy.

00:03:53.780 Thanks for having me back on.

00:03:55.300 Oh, of course.

00:03:56.200 I, I, uh, I had to wrestle the book away from my kid.

00:03:59.400 My oldest son is all about it.

00:04:00.960 He, uh, I don't know if you know, but John Lovell was here, uh, last weekend.

00:04:07.240 And so him and I were talking and, and he, he, I gotta tell you, man, he was a little

00:04:11.560 bit upset that I got the book before him.

00:04:13.560 He was a little upset about that.

00:04:14.960 But, uh, my son was in, in the conversation with us and he actually snagged a copy and

00:04:21.180 I had to pull this out of his room to, to get it back.

00:04:23.580 So I could talk with you about it today.

00:04:25.600 Nice.

00:04:26.420 Yeah.

00:04:26.820 John's got his own.

00:04:27.860 Actually, he should have gotten them now.

00:04:29.900 You got galley copies, you know?

00:04:31.440 So those are, you actually got the rare version.

00:04:34.140 Those actually have mistakes in there.

00:04:36.000 These are the better ones, man.

00:04:37.080 The ones that have the mistakes and everything else.

00:04:39.060 Like I'd rather have a galley copy than like the perfectly honed and refined and fine

00:04:44.520 tuned copy.

00:04:45.580 But, uh, it's a pretty cool thing, man.

00:04:48.220 I like what you're doing when you, because this one's a little different than what you've

00:04:52.120 done.

00:04:52.300 Cause I think this is what the third or fourth edition.

00:04:55.540 Is that right?

00:04:56.600 It's well, there's, there's, there's the a hundred daily skills like puzzle.

00:04:59.940 It's more for cognitive memory, everybody who wants to be a Jason Bourne.

00:05:03.920 I really don't count it in the series.

00:05:05.460 So that would be the fourth or, you know, um, combat edition is the fourth and the brain

00:05:12.640 edition came prior to it.

00:05:14.740 Right.

00:05:15.240 Yeah.

00:05:15.680 Yeah.

00:05:16.180 I like how you did this one because obviously, you know, I have conversations for a living.

00:05:21.840 That's what I do.

00:05:22.400 That's what I consider my, my, my career.

00:05:24.460 But you actually went around the country and you interviewed these guys.

00:05:29.140 And if I understand correctly, you've done an exclusive show with warrior poet society.

00:05:33.980 And then you extracted a lot of the lessons and everything that you've learned here in

00:05:37.720 this book itself is, is that kind of how you did it?

00:05:40.860 Yeah, actually in reverse.

00:05:42.160 So I knew I was going to put together the book.

00:05:44.580 I went and did the research.

00:05:46.240 I had a camera guy with me that ended up being like an expert at all kinds of stuff.

00:05:51.980 Right.

00:05:52.240 So he was camera, he was audio lighting.

00:05:54.660 I mean, he did it all.

00:05:55.760 He worked his ass off for 30 days straight, uh, 11,000 miles, 16 guys.

00:06:01.220 So not much sleep was going on.

00:06:03.700 And we did it in my adventure van and I felt like, well, maybe some of this footage could

00:06:11.000 be turned into a show.

00:06:12.260 Um, but I wasn't sure, but I knew that the footage was going to be in the book, right?

00:06:17.080 So for every illustration, there's a QR code in the mix so that you get the narrative, you

00:06:23.980 get the illustration, and you also get the how to video by the experts themselves.

00:06:30.160 Um, by the time we got done with the 30 day trip, we had roughly seven terabytes of video.

00:06:37.740 So I kind of gave it to some of my guys, like, what do you think?

00:06:42.660 You think we could pull this off?

00:06:43.760 And they're like, ah, yeah, I think so.

00:06:45.960 And so I circled back around to John.

00:06:48.500 Oh, initially, you know, to be completely transparent, I kind of went to Pilgrim Studios.

00:06:54.520 Um, buddy of mine, Craig Pelesian owns it.

00:06:57.560 And he's the guy that created, you know, Survivor and Dirty Jobs and OC Choppers.

00:07:03.580 And I mean, just a bunch of just the original, like reality TV shows.

00:07:08.580 And, uh, so I threw it past him and he's like, yeah, this will be great.

00:07:12.100 And, um, and then he got distracted by some shiny objects.

00:07:16.520 So I went to John and was like, Hey, you want to put this thing together?

00:07:20.580 Or you want to, you know, buy 10 episodes?

00:07:22.800 And he was like, heck yeah.

00:07:24.880 Um, and so we built a trailer, showed it to him.

00:07:27.480 He loved it.

00:07:28.040 And then he was like, ready, go.

00:07:30.420 And so we built the, the 10 episodes and record time.

00:07:34.880 I think we built those things in like 90 days.

00:07:38.460 And, uh, and then we had, I had three or four editors all working straight.

00:07:43.620 And then we started launching them on Black Friday.

00:07:48.140 And then once we got about halfway, I said, Hey, I think I got three more episodes out of

00:07:54.100 all this.

00:07:54.500 Do you want it?

00:07:54.940 And he was like, sure.

00:07:56.120 So the whole season ended up being 13 episodes, uh, in all, and they all turned out.

00:08:03.380 I was actually surprised.

00:08:04.640 I mean, we had to go film, you know, all the slow motion stuff that I was doing for each

00:08:08.640 and every skill.

00:08:09.460 And then of course, you know, the intro, the outro, and then, you know, some of the, uh,

00:08:14.620 stuff in the middle, we filmed that separately from the road trip, but pretty much everything

00:08:19.680 from the road trip turned out to be just great footage and it worked out.

00:08:22.800 And so you ended up having a book and the show kind of all come out around the same

00:08:27.300 time.

00:08:27.640 So, you know, it was, uh, I'd love to say it was some premeditated genius idea of marketing

00:08:35.260 and all that, but it just kind of stumbled into effect.

00:08:38.980 Um, I think it's a testament to the fact that people want this information.

00:08:44.060 Um, they, they enjoy hearing about this stuff.

00:08:46.540 And one of the things that I think you do really well is applying practical advice, but

00:08:51.540 in an entertaining way.

00:08:53.200 Cause I'll see a lot of practical advice and you know, you, you gotta be in it to be excited

00:09:01.500 about it.

00:09:02.060 But the way that you put everything together is actually fun.

00:09:05.460 It's enjoyable.

00:09:06.360 It's entertaining, but it's also very practical.

00:09:09.460 And there's a lot of information that can be applied in real life.

00:09:12.700 My son just yesterday, he came to me and he, I can't remember the exact scenario, but he

00:09:16.900 laid out this scenario.

00:09:18.440 And he's like, in this scenario, dad, I would do a palm strike to the nose.

00:09:23.340 And I'm like, where, where did you hear that?

00:09:25.060 And he's like, I read it in, in the book that you just gave me.

00:09:29.860 And I thought that's actually a pretty applicable skill.

00:09:32.680 Like if there was ever an encounter where, you know, maybe he was, he was in a situation

00:09:38.460 where he was being abducted or he got in an altercation.

00:09:42.120 I'm thinking it's pretty entertaining, but it's also pretty, pretty applicable because if

00:09:47.640 somebody comes up to him and he puts up a fight, that's a target that most people don't

00:09:51.440 want to mess with.

00:09:52.560 No.

00:09:53.120 Yeah, you're right.

00:09:53.860 And, uh, and I, I've said from the beginning, like, I felt like my job since I retired from

00:09:58.640 the Navy is like, how do you, how do I simplify kind of cool, fun stuff?

00:10:04.400 Right.

00:10:05.200 How can I teach someone to do something literally in four illustrations and they get off the toilet

00:10:11.020 and they go, I can do this.

00:10:12.200 And then they go practice it out in their living room.

00:10:13.980 Right.

00:10:14.660 So, I mean, that's what a hundred deadly skills has been is, and you, and you also, you nailed

00:10:19.740 it with, uh, informative plus entertainment is a must these days.

00:10:25.060 You know, if you just have the information, yeah, people get it and they appreciate it,

00:10:29.440 but you certainly have to add in that entertainment level in order to really make it sticky so that

00:10:36.620 not only do they, they capture the info, but then that little bit of entertainment piece

00:10:44.020 is what makes them and allows them to remember it, retain it, and then hopefully recall it,

00:10:49.160 uh, under stress.

00:10:51.000 Right.

00:10:51.920 So, but like I've said, you know, there's, there's a lot of books out there on fighting

00:10:55.800 combat edition is probably the first one that challenges that statement of you can't learn

00:11:01.100 how to fight from a book.

00:11:03.120 Um, but this one challenge, you still gotta take those skills, you know, find a buddy

00:11:08.140 or go buy Bob and, you know, practice, practice, practice.

00:11:13.860 So you, you, you bring a Bob.

00:11:16.080 That's a great, that's a great point.

00:11:17.780 Cause I've seen you doing videos on Instagram and everywhere else where you're doing, you

00:11:21.700 know, like elbow and elbow strikes to Bob and everything else.

00:11:25.160 Yeah.

00:11:26.140 How, how practical is that in a real world type situation or does that need to be coupled

00:11:33.460 with actually be pitting up against another individual who's trying to hurt you as bad

00:11:38.260 as you're trying to hurt that person?

00:11:39.920 Yeah.

00:11:40.360 I mean, Bob is a one way valve, right?

00:11:42.500 Allows you to work on your techniques, footwork, you know, um, a lot of movements, but it's one

00:11:48.720 way, right?

00:11:49.460 Cause Bob isn't, he's not responding.

00:11:52.500 He's not dynamic.

00:11:53.460 Sure.

00:11:53.600 Yeah.

00:11:54.480 So, I mean, the best case is a swim buddy, right?

00:11:57.940 Give yourself a swim buddy, you know, have a, you know, have a safety discussion first.

00:12:03.780 Number one, make sure, you know, if you're messing with knives and guns and all that,

00:12:08.340 everything's cleared and safe.

00:12:09.520 If you're messing with blades, make sure you're using a toy one or a trainer, you know, there's

00:12:13.960 a lot of stuff on the market these days, but, and then also talk about the energy level,

00:12:20.140 right?

00:12:20.320 Hey, we're going 10%.

00:12:21.660 We're going 20%, you know?

00:12:23.860 Yeah.

00:12:24.120 But look, let's be honest on that.

00:12:26.080 Like, so I've, I've got a buddy of mine.

00:12:28.460 His name is Brody Cousineau.

00:12:29.680 We train two or three days a week in the morning jujitsu.

00:12:32.600 And we always, without fail, Hey, let's, uh, let's start at like 40, 50%.

00:12:39.140 Yeah.

00:12:39.720 Right.

00:12:40.120 Yeah.

00:12:40.460 And then he goes 60 and I go 70 and he goes 80 and I go a hundred and like before long,

00:12:45.940 we go from what we said was going to be 50% to like 110% immediately.

00:12:51.480 Right.

00:12:52.080 But we also know the rules too.

00:12:53.840 I think the rules are important in a, in a training type environment.

00:12:57.740 Yeah.

00:12:58.200 No, without a doubt.

00:12:59.460 And that's why those safety briefs are so important because at least you're identifying

00:13:02.420 it, even though you may go, yeah, all right.

00:13:05.340 We're good.

00:13:05.840 In the first two seconds, you know, and that's like, I always joke about that.

00:13:10.120 If, if you watch the videos closely, somebody like Bill Rapier, man, his 50% is a hundred

00:13:16.800 like, and you'll see in the videos, my apprehension, every time he grabs my neck, every time

00:13:23.340 he jerks me in, whether it's a clench or he's, you know, doing a shot to the gut, you'll

00:13:29.840 see me in the video go, like, cause it's not, but once again, you know,

00:13:35.840 when you talk about kids picking up this book or beginners, it's really important.

00:13:41.200 Yeah.

00:13:41.380 You get your safety brief and then now, all right, let's start practicing.

00:13:46.160 And that is the best way to learn.

00:13:48.440 I think you also bring up a good point.

00:13:50.600 You know, we'd read a lot of books and we go through a lot of information and I think

00:13:54.680 men are probably more guilty of this than anybody else.

00:13:57.400 We, uh, we, we tend to believe that we're going to perform under, you know, the worst case

00:14:03.700 scenario, but then when you get in an actual altercation, even if it's in training, I think

00:14:09.920 we underestimate the power of another human being who is your size and your strength, or

00:14:15.780 even more so grabbing you by the arm or grabbing you by the neck or delivering a blow.

00:14:21.600 And you realize, holy shit, like I'm actually, I'm not prepared for this.

00:14:26.700 I didn't know it would be this violent or this, this challenging because we puff ourselves

00:14:33.980 up in our own minds and don't ever put ourselves in these circumstances.

00:14:37.680 No.

00:14:38.300 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:14:39.280 I think the body mechanics across the board is always the true indicator of whether you're

00:14:45.080 ready or not.

00:14:45.940 Right.

00:14:46.220 When the first time you get grabbed, you realize, wait a minute, I need my whole body to be able

00:14:52.700 to equalize that grab, right?

00:14:55.000 Yes.

00:14:55.260 I mean, you're in your core, all of a sudden becomes the most important aspect of the whole

00:14:59.240 deal.

00:15:00.080 And that's where people realize that I'm probably not strong enough or have the foundation yet

00:15:06.080 to be going full bore or they realize, okay, I've got to engage a lot more than I ever thought

00:15:12.120 in order to really respond properly to whatever's coming at me.

00:15:16.120 And, uh, and that's where, you know, your, your fitness level comes in and you've got

00:15:21.140 to, you can't just train linearly, right?

00:15:23.740 I used to just do sprints.

00:15:25.320 Well, now you get into agility work or shadow boxing or just, you know, running circles around

00:15:31.200 a heavy bag and you find out that, okay, that, that, that really helps with those encounters

00:15:38.600 or what's more than likely going to happen is you're ambushed and it's not going to just

00:15:44.080 be squaring up to someone, putting your, putting your Dukes up and saying, okay, ready, go.

00:15:48.680 Right.

00:15:49.560 Or the sports side of the house, MMA.

00:15:52.440 I mean, they know what they're getting into, right?

00:15:54.140 They're getting out there, they're facing each other and then they go, um, in the real

00:15:57.720 world, you're going to get caught off guard is usually the odds.

00:16:01.100 And you need to be able to withstand the blow from all directions.

00:16:03.560 You need to be able to get your feet under you as quickly as possible.

00:16:06.780 So from your ankles to your knees, to your hips, all of a sudden, you know, it's important

00:16:11.520 that they're trained in all directions, not just going for a run or just doing sprints

00:16:15.440 or just doing deadlifts or just doing squats.

00:16:17.760 I mean, you got to do all of those boxing drills and, uh, that, that's what comes in

00:16:23.160 handy or, you know, the Tony Blower stuff, right?

00:16:26.860 He's the one that's like, you have to weather the ambush before you can get in the fight.

00:16:31.960 Right.

00:16:32.620 And there's a lot in that statement where, you know, you've got to be able to take it

00:16:37.800 from an angle that you're not expecting leverage that startle response, that flinch weaponize

00:16:46.660 the flinch.

00:16:47.620 You know, like if, uh, if you're digging around your closet, a box falls on you, your hands

00:16:51.280 come up.

00:16:52.360 If you go around the corner and your kid scares you, your hands go out.

00:16:56.440 Um, but you're taking those, those responses and that flinch, and now you're weaponizing

00:17:01.620 it from your hands all the way to your feet.

00:17:03.660 Um, so the more you can kind of put yourself in those situations with your buddies, uh,

00:17:09.100 the better off you'll be.

00:17:10.120 I think that goes a lot further than, you know, mastering a palm strike, right?

00:17:15.240 That's easy.

00:17:16.500 What really you need to master is that, that startle response, startle flinch.

00:17:22.020 And when you go to block, making sure that your legs, your core, everything's engaged.

00:17:28.740 And then now you're putting your chest towards a target and you're going to town after you

00:17:33.660 weather that first scare, right.

00:17:36.440 Or whatever it is.

00:17:38.600 Yeah.

00:17:39.080 I've noticed that just in training over the past couple of, uh, couple of years with jujitsu

00:17:43.520 in particular, you know, I, I trained with Pete Roberts, who's a world-class competitor

00:17:48.740 when it comes to jujitsu and he's, he's obviously bigger than me.

00:17:52.660 Yeah.

00:17:53.320 He's big.

00:17:53.680 And yeah, he's a big guy and you know, he'll get me into position or he'll get into mount

00:18:00.360 and it's like, okay, I got to go to defense first, like get myself in position, protect

00:18:05.000 myself.

00:18:05.380 Cause I remember rolling with him two years ago, I'd stick my arms out, you know, and

00:18:09.780 he grabbed one of my arms and essentially simulate breaking one of my arms.

00:18:14.420 And I'm like, okay, I can't do that anymore.

00:18:15.980 Like just protect yourself, breathe, figure out what's going on, regroup.

00:18:21.160 And then you can put yourself into a better situation.

00:18:24.300 But I think what most people underestimate, and I can't remember the video that you did,

00:18:30.020 but it was with a gentleman who had talked about thinking like the enemy or something

00:18:35.300 like that, where he was talking, he was in a bathroom.

00:18:37.560 If I remember right.

00:18:39.100 And he was like, okay, this can be used to break somebody's face.

00:18:42.040 And I was like, yeah, I mean this, I remember reading stories of old time fights where guys

00:18:47.700 were literally valuing the fight or their ability to survive by gouging somebody's eyeball out.

00:18:53.780 And I think we underestimate how violent these encounters can actually be.

00:18:58.840 And we need to put ourselves into that situation, especially in this quote unquote civilized society

00:19:04.880 that we live in.

00:19:05.600 We don't think this stuff's going to happen to us, but man, it's a violent world out there.

00:19:09.300 Like people are not going to show any mercy to you.

00:19:12.360 No, not at all.

00:19:13.080 And I think it keeps getting bumped up, you know, a couple of notches every year because,

00:19:19.760 you know, the more and more of the different kinds of weapons that are out, I mean, you just,

00:19:24.640 you just don't know who you're going toe to toe with.

00:19:27.940 So when it's time to flip that violence switch, it has to be extreme.

00:19:33.140 If you want to be able to survive, because you have to assume that person standing in

00:19:37.560 your face or just jumped you or is trying to carjack you, trying to rape you, whatever

00:19:43.440 it is, you have to go all out, you know, and you have to be all in for the entire time

00:19:52.380 until you're out of that situation.

00:19:54.700 And, you know, the guy you brought up, he was a, he was a former one percenter, you

00:20:02.940 know, for a really popular motorcycle club, you know, and he was the sergeant arms for

00:20:11.220 that group for quite some time.

00:20:12.840 So he had been his fair share of bar brawls and fighting.

00:20:17.180 I mean, not to mention, he's also a really good Thai boxer.

00:20:21.580 Um, so you combine being a one percenter, you know, and for, for most of your listeners,

00:20:27.760 if you know, one percenters, that's, that's your hell's angels, your banditos, your outlaws.

00:20:31.680 Those are your, your outlaw motorcycle clubs.

00:20:34.520 And, you know, they're labeled by the FBI as, you know, organized crime.

00:20:38.320 And, um, but, you know, regardless of all of that, they are, um, they are another genre

00:20:46.520 of bad-asses in this country.

00:20:48.300 And, uh, that's why I made sure to, to put his information in the book was because I

00:20:53.540 wanted to open up the aperture on bad-ass.

00:20:56.440 It's not just special operations guys, um, or MMA.

00:21:00.460 I mean, there's a, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of cool skills in different

00:21:06.240 industries that are bad-asses.

00:21:08.480 And, and that was really the goal was to share, you know, this, this array of different arts

00:21:15.980 or shooting, uh, or, or blade work so that not only are you kind of getting an education

00:21:23.140 on all of the different stuff out there to kind of choose from or guys to learn from, um,

00:21:28.900 but you're also getting sensitized, you know, to, you know, what to expect really, you know,

00:21:35.480 if, if, if something like that happens to you or the, the combinations of stuff you can

00:21:40.760 throw at someone, it's, I mean, it's limitless, you know, it's super cool.

00:21:44.440 And, and inadvertently a hundred daily skills combat edition has become its own fighting

00:21:48.580 system because it starts non-lethal and it ends with lethal stuff.

00:21:52.040 And if you learned all 100 of those things, you'd be a pretty bad-ass dude.

00:21:58.240 Yeah.

00:21:58.640 And, and, and I think we need to be sure to say, and, and I know you would agree with

00:22:03.260 this is like, just reading the book isn't, doesn't mean you learned it.

00:22:07.640 Right, right, right, right.

00:22:08.940 You gotta, you gotta go out and do it.

00:22:11.340 Some guys think that they're like, oh yeah, I read this book.

00:22:14.020 It's, it's kind of like that old, what was a holiday in commercial or something?

00:22:17.380 No, but I once stayed at a holiday in.

00:22:19.220 And so you actually think you're capable of doing whatever it is.

00:22:22.560 I mean, I, I got into a weird sort of, I wouldn't say altercation, but a weird scenario

00:22:30.060 just the other day.

00:22:31.800 My son was with me, my oldest son, and we were at the gas pump and this guy came up on

00:22:37.620 a snowmobile and he was pissed off because they didn't pull up to the, like to the next

00:22:43.240 pump in front of me.

00:22:44.380 Oh yeah.

00:22:45.480 But the next pump in front of me was out of order.

00:22:47.620 He didn't see that.

00:22:49.220 And so he was chewing me out and he was yelling and everything else.

00:22:52.400 And, and I'm like, man, I'm going to, I'm going to F this guy up.

00:22:55.520 Like if he keeps running his mouth, I'm going to F this guy up.

00:22:58.140 But then I remember I'm thinking to myself, well, I don't know.

00:23:00.600 Maybe he has a knife, maybe he has a gun.

00:23:02.240 I don't know.

00:23:02.800 I don't know what his deal is.

00:23:04.380 You know, maybe he's whacked out or whatever.

00:23:06.180 I don't know what his deal is.

00:23:07.160 And so I opened my car door and I'm like, okay, don't get out of the car.

00:23:11.960 You don't need to get out of the car for this.

00:23:14.060 Open your door, explain.

00:23:15.660 So I opened my door and I said something and he started to walk towards me.

00:23:20.460 I'm going to jack this guy up with my door.

00:23:22.340 I'm going to beat the shit out of him with my truck door.

00:23:24.260 And I said something to him and he started walking towards me and I pulled my door back

00:23:28.840 closed and I'm ready to just jack him up with his door.

00:23:32.240 And I don't know what he saw in me or whatever, but he turned around and walked away.

00:23:38.440 And I'm like, man, I'm so glad he walked away.

00:23:41.480 I didn't want to get in that altercation.

00:23:43.280 I would have if I had to, but I think for the first time in my life, I realized, okay,

00:23:49.640 there's some seriousness about this.

00:23:51.620 Like, like this could literally be over a gas pump life or death scenario right here.

00:23:58.500 Right.

00:23:59.380 And I don't think a lot of guys think about that.

00:24:01.640 They're more interested in like posturing and ego.

00:24:04.700 And then they get themselves into trouble over nothing, man.

00:24:08.420 Nothing.

00:24:09.560 Yeah.

00:24:10.140 I think you handled it right.

00:24:11.360 I mean, you don't know what's standing in front of you.

00:24:16.020 And that is also a good point.

00:24:18.240 Cause if you look at anyone who's been in enough fights in their life or a professional

00:24:22.380 fighter, these guys do everything they can not to get in a fight because they understand

00:24:29.320 it more than anyone else that, you know, you look at someone, you look at their size, whether

00:24:34.660 they're a big, small fat or appear out of shape or whatever, you don't know though, you

00:24:40.000 still don't know the capability of that person or the lengths that they will go to, um, to

00:24:45.620 survive.

00:24:46.160 And when you drew your door close, I bet he thought like, well, is he drawing a gun

00:24:52.820 right now?

00:24:53.760 Right.

00:24:54.120 Maybe you could have, yeah, you could have had at the low ready pointed in his direction

00:24:58.780 and you just use that door for a split second to conceal that muzzle.

00:25:03.020 Right.

00:25:03.960 And then he probably thinking to himself, you know, I don't know what I'm getting myself

00:25:06.860 into here.

00:25:07.620 And he decided to turn around and walk away and you both played it smart, but things can

00:25:12.020 go South really quick if, but all it takes is one person out of the two to be completely

00:25:16.720 immature, an egomaniac, or, or just looking for a fight.

00:25:20.440 I mean, we all know that sometimes people are just looking for that and, uh, you can do

00:25:25.720 everything you can to deescalate it and it just doesn't going to work.

00:25:29.560 And that's why you need to know this stuff for those situations where someone's just got

00:25:33.860 violence on their mind and they're going to go act it out one way or another.

00:25:37.580 I think that's why it's a good idea to get familiar with violence to some degree in a

00:25:43.120 controlled environment.

00:25:43.900 Like I'm not, I'm not telling anybody to go pick fights it at the bar and get into a

00:25:48.500 brawl or anything like that, but in a controlled environment where there, there's some safety

00:25:53.540 features built into place, whether it's jujitsu or, you know, some sort of martial arts or

00:25:58.100 whatever it may be, firearms training, et cetera, where you actually come face to face with,

00:26:03.120 with getting your ass kicked, with getting your ass handed to you, because then you realize

00:26:08.500 maybe for the first time in your life that I'm not as good as I think I am.

00:26:13.820 There's people who are significantly more capable at this than me.

00:26:17.720 And it hurts.

00:26:19.640 It's painful.

00:26:20.580 Like it's painful to get your ass beat down, but we, we watch these movies.

00:26:25.680 Here's the problem.

00:26:26.280 We watch these movies and you know, the guy gets shot, you know, two dozen times or whatever,

00:26:30.800 and he, and he stands back up or he gets punched in the face half a dozen times and he gets

00:26:36.100 back up and he keeps fighting.

00:26:37.600 That's not reality.

00:26:38.800 Like one good punch to the face and you're out.

00:26:42.100 And then who knows what's going to happen to you after you're knocked out.

00:26:45.240 No.

00:26:45.660 And that's, yeah.

00:26:46.240 And that's the other good, great point is staying conscious is always the number one

00:26:51.100 goal.

00:26:51.400 Cause the last thing you want to do is get knocked out and then really get abused while

00:26:54.860 you're on the ground.

00:26:55.600 And the other point you make, yeah, going out and, you know, whether it's through a

00:27:00.300 gym or, you know, whether it's a boxing gym, MMA somewhere.

00:27:04.480 Yeah.

00:27:04.940 And getting your ass kicked is, is a great idea.

00:27:08.020 I mean, it's almost just as important knowing how to take hits as it is to throw them.

00:27:13.220 And that's where a lot of people fail.

00:27:15.080 You know, I, uh, the first time I really learned that is on one of the deployments we found

00:27:20.220 ourself in Thailand and me growing up in martial arts and stuff.

00:27:24.080 I was like, I don't want to go into getting the rain with one of those Thai, those little

00:27:27.020 Thai kids and those Thai boxers.

00:27:29.580 And that was the, I mean, I mean, I've had other humbling experiences, but to feel their

00:27:35.800 elbows, their forearms and their shins just literally destroy me.

00:27:41.760 And they were half my weight right here.

00:27:44.580 I'm a Navy SEAL.

00:27:46.100 We, you know, I'm at what, 185, 190.

00:27:48.500 These dudes are like a hundred pounds wet and they were destroying me.

00:27:54.020 Right.

00:27:54.540 And it, they weren't even, they weren't even going full bore.

00:27:57.500 They were just letting me know that their forearms and their shins are made of steel.

00:28:03.280 Right.

00:28:03.760 And then, uh, you know, and now I've learned, like, it's just good to go up against, you

00:28:09.620 know, training partners that, you know, can whoop your ass.

00:28:12.900 I, I would choose that any day of the week over someone I know that I could win against

00:28:17.860 most recently was, you know, with boxing, you know, I've been boxing here locally, you

00:28:23.140 know, master's division stuff.

00:28:24.600 And, you know, I always get in the gym with these, these little Mexican kids here in Dallas,

00:28:30.300 they will once again, destroy you with speed.

00:28:34.540 And, uh, and, and those, and the shots they throw, they sting and, uh, and it lets you know

00:28:40.780 that, wow, I'm just not that cool, but you combined all of those experiences together.

00:28:46.920 And you hope that if you ever get into a real world situation, the odds are, if you're going

00:28:52.580 up against someone who's belligerent, got a big mouth, they've been leveraging belligerence,

00:28:57.200 big mouth, or maybe even just a big body their whole life.

00:29:00.880 And intimidation is how they've won each time, or they make sure they throw that first shot.

00:29:07.060 Um, and so by putting yourself through all those different kinds of experiences, you're

00:29:12.020 setting yourself up for the win.

00:29:13.140 If you ever have to, you know, really, truly defend yourself.

00:29:16.740 But I also think we need to be careful of, of underestimating because it's easy to say,

00:29:21.740 oh yeah, you know, 95% of the population is not trained in these sort of martial arts.

00:29:27.140 And you might catch the 5% who is.

00:29:29.880 Oh yeah.

00:29:30.520 Once again, you cannot assume that that person you're standing toe to toe with is just some

00:29:36.400 Joe.

00:29:37.200 Right.

00:29:38.080 Yeah.

00:29:38.360 You know, it's funny too, is one of the things I've caught myself doing, even at jujitsu,

00:29:41.960 where I know these guys and I deliberately go to train and to get better and to improve

00:29:46.300 myself and go against hard guys.

00:29:47.960 As I noticed, I'll have a tendency of gravitating towards the guys I know I can stack up well

00:29:53.120 against.

00:29:54.260 It's just, even though I'm deliberately going for that purpose, I still, even if it's

00:30:00.600 subconsciously, we'll, we'll try to work with the guys I stack well against.

00:30:05.360 And I have to make a deliberate attempt every day I go, which is four to five days a week

00:30:12.920 to pick that one guy who I know I cannot beat for whatever I try.

00:30:19.460 I cannot beat.

00:30:20.300 I have to make a conscious effort to pick that guy.

00:30:23.200 Yeah.

00:30:24.100 Yeah.

00:30:24.300 It's the person you can't beat yet.

00:30:26.780 Right.

00:30:27.360 That's more of the, yeah, that's kind of, cause you were all, you know, the deal, you roll long

00:30:32.500 enough and I, I, I, you know, jujitsu was like my primary thing in college, right?

00:30:36.700 Back when, you know, UFC won and the Gracies and the name became huge.

00:30:40.740 Everybody was like Brazilian jujitsu.

00:30:42.600 That's it.

00:30:43.060 That's the one.

00:30:44.080 Yeah.

00:30:44.260 And, um, I know that I did the same thing, but it was, uh, I realized early and it was

00:30:49.740 actually one of my, one of my instructors that was, you know, basically like, no, you

00:30:54.660 will go up against someone who's far more advanced than you all the time, you know, and you'll

00:30:59.860 get a choice anymore.

00:31:01.460 So, you know, it's, uh, it's changed a lot too over the years, you know, it's, it's a more

00:31:06.200 of a system now.

00:31:07.120 If you go into any, uh, jujitsu place around the country, where it was a little more freestyle

00:31:12.560 at the beginning, I felt like, but, um, yeah, it's, uh, I think all of whether you're on

00:31:19.660 your feet or on the ground, it's all valuable information.

00:31:22.100 You, you, you, you should know, and at least be familiar with, uh, in some form or fashion

00:31:28.200 these days.

00:31:29.420 What do you say to guys?

00:31:31.580 Let me back up when I say this, cause, cause there's a lot of guys that I talk with who are

00:31:35.640 busy.

00:31:35.940 You're busy.

00:31:36.400 I'm busy.

00:31:37.140 Everybody's busy.

00:31:37.840 We got a, we got a bunch of shit to do.

00:31:39.320 We got families, we got life, we got work, we got hobbies, we got interest in activities.

00:31:44.040 And I think most people listening to this want to improve in, in every facet of life, including

00:31:48.540 the ability to defend themselves and protect themselves.

00:31:51.940 What do you say to the guy who's thinking, man, I just don't have time to do this on top

00:31:58.380 of everything else that I'm doing.

00:32:01.200 Yeah, I get that.

00:32:02.460 I mean, I've, I've even been victim of that where I don't make time to do it.

00:32:08.820 That's really the answer, right?

00:32:10.540 Is you're, you're making a choice not to make time for it, especially if you're, you know,

00:32:15.280 you're one, you're trying to maintain a certain level of fitness.

00:32:17.580 You're trying to keep your jobs and families happy.

00:32:20.640 Um, but I would say that you still got to figure out a way to make the time, even if

00:32:29.900 it's only once a week to put in, uh, an hour, right.

00:32:35.600 Start there.

00:32:36.500 And what usually happens is once you get a taste, then all of a sudden it moves higher

00:32:41.320 up your priority.

00:32:42.620 I mean, go back at what you've been doing jujitsu now, two years now, a couple of years, a little

00:32:47.520 over two years.

00:32:48.380 And I remember, I remember when you were posting about starting and stuff, and I'm sure you,

00:32:52.960 you now know this.

00:32:53.860 And I know I've felt it multiple times over the, over, you know, my life, really, anytime

00:32:59.600 I would drop kind of out of it and other things moved up the priority list.

00:33:04.180 Um, one, all I had to do is just get in there, right.

00:33:07.900 And feel a little bit of intimidation when you walk through the doors each morning or whenever

00:33:12.660 you go.

00:33:13.220 And then, but it's, and then that intimidation is broken.

00:33:16.820 Once you're laying on that mat, you start getting your warm, you get warmed up and start

00:33:21.200 doing whatever you need to do.

00:33:22.460 And then by the time you're done and you're driving home, you're like, I gotta, I gotta

00:33:28.480 do this more often.

00:33:29.520 Right.

00:33:30.220 Totally.

00:33:30.820 And, uh, and then you're, and then you're hooked.

00:33:32.520 So I would say, Hey, if you're out of whack and it's not a priority or you've never experienced

00:33:37.420 it, just go give it the one hour at an MMA place near you.

00:33:42.400 Right.

00:33:42.880 And just put in that one hour.

00:33:45.180 It's going to be intimidating.

00:33:46.500 It's going to be a little scary, but you will leave.

00:33:49.440 Um, it's crazy.

00:33:51.360 The first time you do it one hour, you'll still leave with more confidence than you

00:33:56.700 would ever think just after that one hour, first hour training.

00:33:59.980 Right.

00:34:00.600 Right.

00:34:01.240 Yeah.

00:34:01.540 And I think that's where confidence derives from is doing things that you didn't previously

00:34:06.940 think yourself capable of.

00:34:08.700 Like a lot of guys think that, Oh, you know, some guys are just confident.

00:34:11.900 Some guys have it.

00:34:12.940 Some guys have the X factor.

00:34:14.220 And I think to myself, no, those, those guys who you're looking at, they've earned some

00:34:19.280 level of confidence through putting themselves through the gauntlet, you know, whether that's

00:34:23.400 martial arts or the business gauntlet or presenting in public or whatever, whatever it is they're

00:34:29.000 afraid of.

00:34:29.620 They just go do it.

00:34:30.660 They run themselves into that fear.

00:34:32.540 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:34:34.380 It's, uh, you just got to charge, charge, charge, charge away.

00:34:38.180 And then, uh, and then the addiction will kick in later.

00:34:41.640 Yeah.

00:34:42.520 Is there, well, yeah.

00:34:44.140 When you get that feeling of, of pride and satisfaction and you see the growth and it's

00:34:49.360 hard to, to not want to be excited about it.

00:34:52.180 But is there a certain skillset or martial art that you would say, Hey, you know, this,

00:34:57.140 this is the starting point.

00:34:59.120 Cause look, I get a lot of guys are like, well, why don't you do boxing?

00:35:01.920 Why don't you do Muay Thai?

00:35:02.920 Why don't you do Krav?

00:35:03.860 And I'm like, look, I'm not discounting any of that.

00:35:07.260 I think all of that is valuable, but this is where I've put my emphasis currently.

00:35:11.360 That's not to say I won't do something later, but there, is there a low hanging fruit that

00:35:15.900 you would say, at least, at least use this as a foundation.

00:35:19.700 Is it jujitsu or is it something else?

00:35:22.520 Yeah.

00:35:22.960 I don't think it's any one, as you know, I think it's, um, but if I had narrowed it

00:35:26.900 down to two, it would definitely be Thai boxing and jujitsu.

00:35:30.900 Right.

00:35:31.500 So, you know, with, with, with Muay Thai, you're learning how to use all your tools.

00:35:37.140 You know, it's not just fists and kicks it's, it's shins and elbows and head butts and, you

00:35:43.180 know, some, a lot of, a lot of great, um, combinations that are there that help with eye

00:35:50.080 hand foot coordination.

00:35:51.300 Um, because when people get in their first encounters, they realize, oh my, they're, they

00:35:56.300 stumble over their own feet and they're their own, they're their own bad guy.

00:36:00.120 You know, sometimes because they, they had no idea how uncoordinated they were under stress

00:36:05.240 until it happens.

00:36:06.240 They just fall to the ground, um, when the goal is to create distance, you know, distance

00:36:11.320 increases survivability.

00:36:12.640 So, so I would say Muay Thai and then getting on the ground, right.

00:36:18.060 You got to get on the ground.

00:36:19.260 It's the last place you want to be in a real fight, but 95% of the fights end up there.

00:36:24.960 So you've got to train to worst case scenario, which is on the ground, on your back.

00:36:29.680 And so you have to get in there and it, and it's not like you're going to go and don't

00:36:34.660 think of in terms of, I'm going to go in there and earn all these belts.

00:36:38.720 You know, you have to go in there in terms of just thinking, man, I just, I want to start

00:36:42.440 learning those basic skill sets that, you know, could benefit me in when I have a bad

00:36:50.500 day, um, and then taking the basics, you know, just take the basics and master those things

00:36:56.860 because that's, what's going to make you a more advanced person.

00:36:59.880 And a lot of people want to skip, right.

00:37:01.860 They want to go, you know, you know, I don't want to learn, you know, they want to move beyond

00:37:07.240 the basics into what they think is some other world of cool stuff.

00:37:11.020 But the reality is it's the basics that usually is the cool stuff, but it's not cool until

00:37:17.900 you get really good at it, you know?

00:37:20.180 So this really applies like firearms and, you know, other weapons because people see Hollywood

00:37:28.020 or they see a guy who's been doing it for years, do a lot of fancy stuff with it.

00:37:31.840 Um, but the reality is the basics are really, are really the, is really where, um, it's really

00:37:40.680 where you benefit the most.

00:37:42.080 Yeah.

00:37:44.340 Guys, let me hit the pause button on the conversation.

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00:39:05.420 Do that after the show, order of man.com slash iron council for now, I'll get back to it with Clint.

00:39:11.900 Yeah.

00:39:12.300 I think this is where that artistic element comes in.

00:39:15.180 You know, I think of art and I've heard, and I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, great artists

00:39:20.220 are able to break the rules because they know the rules.

00:39:23.820 Oh yeah.

00:39:24.600 Yeah.

00:39:24.940 You know, like, like you, you can bend and break the rules only because you have the solid

00:39:30.300 foundation of what the rules actually are that you can begin to experiment and create.

00:39:35.340 And that's a pretty fascinating place to get to.

00:39:38.640 But the other thing too, I think we need to realize is that these are perishable skills.

00:39:42.160 This is not like riding a bike.

00:39:43.980 You know, a lot of guys think like, if I know how to throw a strike, like I always know how

00:39:47.700 to throw a strike, man.

00:39:48.960 If I take two weeks off from jujitsu and I come back to class, I'm like, holy shit, I'm

00:39:52.740 behind the eight ball on this because there's what, what Pete would call invisible jujitsu,

00:39:59.000 but there's also a level of timing.

00:40:00.360 Like I rolled with a guy last night who he's a fellow blue belt.

00:40:04.420 He's significantly better than I am, but he's probably taken four to six months off or so.

00:40:10.820 And it was amazing to me as good as he is, how easily I was able to pass his guard.

00:40:16.980 And he, he, he said something and I said, well, you haven't been here for six months.

00:40:20.840 I've got the timing down.

00:40:22.420 You don't have the timing anymore.

00:40:24.360 Like, you know, the skill, but the timing is missing.

00:40:27.360 And it was pretty, it was a pretty telling little moment to see that somebody who's significantly

00:40:33.620 better than me in any objective metric.

00:40:37.200 And yet I was able to pass his guard because of that timing and that perishable skill of,

00:40:41.200 of training martial arts.

00:40:42.600 That's right.

00:40:43.360 And even when you look deeper into that, it's a tactile, it's a feel, right?

00:40:49.200 So not only are you up right now on your timing, but you also know exactly what you're

00:40:54.260 feeling for, right?

00:40:56.080 And whether it's his position on top of you, you know, what, how, whatever you're feeling,

00:41:02.400 if he's trying to, you know, scrape your face with his forearm, you know, it's, you know,

00:41:07.980 you've got a lot of different moves that you're completely sensitized right now and you know

00:41:13.860 what to feel for and then how to respond quickly to it.

00:41:17.260 And that's the part too, that if you're not doing it on a regular basis, then your body

00:41:22.640 doesn't know, isn't going to remember what to feel for so that you can respond quick enough

00:41:28.540 in order to counter whatever's coming at you.

00:41:32.100 Do you think these types of things that you illustrate in 100 Deadly Skills Combat Edition

00:41:36.160 are, are reserved for, I don't know quite how to say it, but I'll just say it like this,

00:41:44.080 weird people, you know, there, there's always like a percentage of weird people.

00:41:49.460 And I've told people like, you know, I'm a bit of a masochist because I enjoy, you talked

00:41:53.700 about the forearm across the face and somebody's grinding their forearm into my face. And I'm like,

00:41:57.580 I actually kind of like this, like bring it on or somebody tries to, to get me in a move.

00:42:03.080 And you know, I might, I might get myself out of that position. I'm like, well, I'm going to do

00:42:07.080 the same fricking move right back to you and show you that, that I can do everything you can do.

00:42:12.660 Is that reserved for a special kind of person? Or do you think that this is something that every

00:42:17.940 individual can incorporate in their life? Yeah. I mean, I built it for the largest demographic,

00:42:24.660 right? You know, whether you're a kid, men and women alike, it, it really, if you look at each

00:42:33.520 individual skill, they're all basic. Once again, I'm a true believer in mastering the basics is what

00:42:38.940 makes you advanced. And so if you, if starting at the beginning, if you can master, um, Tony

00:42:46.500 Blauer's like spear system, right. And that allows you to weaponize that startle flinch, like we talked

00:42:54.000 about and then move. And then it is the bridge to your next move. And so the rest of the book are all

00:43:00.820 of those moves, those choices that you can make. And what people will find out, just like you found

00:43:06.520 out you're going to be good at some stuff. You're not going to be so good at others. It could be

00:43:11.040 because of, you know, anatomy and physiology. It could be because of, you know, limited range of

00:43:17.540 motion. I mean, there's a lot of different things going on, but you'll figure out what works best for

00:43:23.280 you and what doesn't. And, and so I think that's the key is you really, whether it's in a hundred daily

00:43:30.260 skills or at an MMA place, you've got to just kind of be open-minded to all the different

00:43:36.840 combinations and moves and techniques. And over time you figure out, Whoa, I'm actually really good

00:43:43.940 at this compared to everybody else in here. And that's your, that's going to be your one little

00:43:47.720 superpower. And I'm sure you've noticed in two years, you've been doing jujitsu, you kind of figured

00:43:52.860 out, well, for my body type and my experience, I'm actually pretty good at these two or three

00:43:59.780 things, right? You excel at those compared to your peers. And I think that's, that's the piece you got

00:44:06.660 to go identify. And so, and, and there's also the reason why I put in a little bit of Krav, you know,

00:44:13.380 there's a little bit of grappling, there's a little bit of tie, there's a little bit of everything in

00:44:18.020 the book so that people can kind of sample and go, wow, I really like this kind of stuff versus,

00:44:23.340 you know, this over here. But at the end of the day, it's all very basic. Anybody can learn it.

00:44:29.960 Anybody can try it out. You know, and of course be safe when you do it.

00:44:35.440 What's your recommendation for, you know, you're talking about guys that you might find something

00:44:41.780 that you're, you're uniquely qualified to do. So for example, when you said, I'm pretty good at this,

00:44:47.620 like, for me, I've noticed my game is a really tight game. I like to play close. I like to be

00:44:52.360 tight. When I, when I deal with long guys, long legged, long armed guys, I'm like, man,

00:44:58.220 this is tough because they spread. I want to be a bowling ball. I want to be close. I want to be

00:45:03.600 intimate. I want to like grind like close together. Yeah. What do you recommend as far as not only

00:45:10.660 one practice, but this whole thing, you know, that we're talking about today?

00:45:18.460 What do you recommend when it comes to finding your unique strengths, but also developing

00:45:22.860 things that maybe you're not good at? Do you focus on your strengths and not so much on your

00:45:28.040 weaknesses? Or do you try to shore up your weaknesses at the expense maybe of the things

00:45:32.280 that you're already pretty good at? Yeah. I think it's a little bit of both, right? I mean,

00:45:36.660 one, you have to go expose yourself to as much as possible to determine where your strengths and

00:45:42.480 weaknesses are. Once you've figured them out, definitely, you know, start working on the

00:45:49.360 weaknesses, right? I mean, keep your strengths solid, but now you can literally make a list of go,

00:45:56.880 okay, I'm not good at, you know, these four things. And then, you know, tell yourself for the

00:46:01.640 next 30 to 60 to 90 days, I'm going to put a conscious effort towards those four things and

00:46:07.480 get good at them, or at least get average at them. And then you'll find out that there'll be another

00:46:13.260 list, right? We're not all good at everything. You know, I've met a couple of guys that, you know,

00:46:18.080 the kind that piss you off, you're like, this dude is good at everything, you know?

00:46:22.080 Yeah. Like Glenn Doherty.

00:46:24.420 And within that perspective, like there's, we need to realize that there's people who are so good

00:46:30.280 at, at, at martial arts and physicality or athleticism, and yet they may not be the best

00:46:36.400 presenter. They may, may not be as business savvy as you for sure.

00:46:41.100 Yeah. I always bring up Glenn Doherty, who, you know, died in Benghazi, you know, and he's a good

00:46:46.340 buddy and that he was one of those. I tell all the time, like that guy used to piss me off because

00:46:51.340 he was always good at everything. It didn't matter whether it was jumping, shooting, fighting. I

00:46:56.560 mean, yeah, he had it all, but, but so those kind of guys are anomalies at the end of the day,

00:47:03.100 right? It's kind of like the, the guy in Bud's that's six, four, 240 pounds, and he can still

00:47:09.760 run a seven minute mile forever. And you're like, how the hell does he do that? Right. You're like,

00:47:16.080 I hate that guy. And then you get in the ocean, you do your, your two mile swim. And it's the same

00:47:20.480 thing. It just flies by you. And you're like, what the, he's all lean muscle. He should be

00:47:25.060 sinking, not swimming. Right. Right. But like I said, those are anomalies. But so if you're like

00:47:31.380 the 99.9% of like all the rest of us, then yeah, you gotta go expose yourself to a bunch of,

00:47:38.140 to a bunch of stuff, start figuring out what you like. And then, and then eventually you start

00:47:43.560 focusing on the things you don't like. I kind of compare it to walk into a gym. I have this natural

00:47:48.420 tendency. I don't want to do bench press. I want to do squats. I want to do military. You know,

00:47:55.360 I want to do the things that, you know, I know that I'm strong or good at. Right. And then I,

00:48:01.900 you know, like ignore maybe something that's core related or flexibility related or mobility related,

00:48:08.320 you know, knowing I need to do those more than I need to be doing bench press. You know what I mean?

00:48:13.980 So it's almost the same exact thing. When you get into the martial arts world is you kind of have

00:48:19.560 the things you're good at, the things you're not, and you got to just make that concerted effort,

00:48:23.820 go focus on the weaknesses and get good at them. I think it's a good point. I think if we just paid

00:48:29.540 more attention to the signals of our own signals of, I don't want to do that. Sometimes I don't want

00:48:35.300 to do that is the exact reason why you actually should do the thing that you're saying you don't

00:48:39.480 want to do. Yeah, no doubt. That's it. You got to just, if you're, if you're really,

00:48:44.160 if you've already identified it and you know it, then you definitely got to go face it.

00:48:49.040 Well, and I think that takes a level of a level of objectiveness as well as it is saying, okay,

00:48:54.100 well, you know what, why don't I want to do that? Because I know I'm not good at it because I know

00:48:58.840 it's going to suck or I know it's going to be painful. And, and, and we all have the ability to

00:49:03.880 take ourselves out of the situation, strip the emotion away and realize that we're just trying to

00:49:09.320 bullshit ourselves. We're just trying to keep ourselves more comfortable, uh, and, and not

00:49:14.720 expose any vulnerabilities that we may have. That's I think a natural tendency for men, especially

00:49:19.080 a natural tendency that we have is I don't want to expose any weakness that I have. Cause if I draw

00:49:23.940 light to it, you know, that it's real. Like I know guys who won't even jump on the scale, you know,

00:49:28.580 they've gotten 30, 40, 50 pounds out of weight, overweight, and they won't even jump on the scale

00:49:32.920 cause they don't want to make it tangible or they won't pull up their bank account. Cause they know

00:49:36.820 they're 20, 30, 40, a hundred thousand dollars in debt. Blankful. I don't want to look at it.

00:49:41.880 Cause if I don't look at it, it's not real, you know? Right. But it's there. It's a threat.

00:49:45.780 It's only every 30 days when that bill comes in the mail. I've got to worry about it. That's it.

00:49:50.420 29. I'm good. It's comical. Cause I see my daughter, you know, she's six, seven years old,

00:49:55.440 or maybe not her. She's probably outgrown this, but my four or five year old little boy who will,

00:49:59.820 uh, you know, we'll play hide and seek or whatever. And he'll close his eyes, you know, cover his eyes.

00:50:04.440 And he'll think that because he can't see me, I can't see him. Right. Not how it works. And we

00:50:11.040 laugh at the little child who does that. And yet we do the same thing, you know, like, oh,

00:50:14.560 if I don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist. No, it actually exists. But because you don't have the

00:50:21.320 balls to look at it, it's going to bite you in the butt in the worst possible timing and situation

00:50:28.300 that you could imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed it, man. You just got to face the music

00:50:33.020 and it's uncomfortable, right? It's, uh, taking a bite of humble pie, you know, is difficult for

00:50:40.860 everyone. Right. It's like, I compare it to the person who has to walk in with his gi on that's

00:50:48.300 brand new. Right. And he's got a white belt. There's a little bit of like, oh man, I'm not like

00:50:56.220 all the others in here right now, but you have to do that kind of stuff every now and then. Like

00:51:01.140 they got to, you know, it's like testing your will, you know, and, and pushing yourself into

00:51:05.940 the uncomfortable world and in all shapes and sizes. And in the other day you come out, you know,

00:51:12.740 definitely mentally stronger, physically stronger, a little more prepared for the next, uh, whatever

00:51:18.700 that is surprise or the next time you decide, okay, I'm going to go face this. And then the more you do

00:51:23.660 it, the more you get addicted to like, I need to test my will. I'm a true believer. You got to test it

00:51:28.580 at least once a year, like truly test your will, go do something that you want to quit, but you're

00:51:35.360 not. Right. Um, and so for me, it used to be adventure races. I got really big into adventure

00:51:41.620 racing, um, primal quest, you know, which was put together by Don Mann and he had done designs for

00:51:49.740 the eco challenges. So primal quest was like worse than eco challenge. And, um, and so I'd been

00:51:56.540 doing sprints and you know, the short ones that are like, you know, a couple hours to 24 hour

00:52:02.840 and it's everything from running, you know, mountain biking, kayaking, swimming, and it's all,

00:52:08.240 you know, outdoor kind of in nature type races. Um, but you know, working your way up to something

00:52:14.820 like primal quest where it's 500 miles. Right. And it's a combination of soft sand marathon has

00:52:22.680 how it started. Right. Soft sand marathon to the first. And I was like 10 miles in. I was like,

00:52:30.100 okay, I want to quit now. I would have thought of that like a mile in you made it longer than I

00:52:36.480 would have. That's for sure. Oh man. It was horrible. And this is in Moab, Utah. Oh yeah.

00:52:41.220 Right. So it was awesome. But I think, you know, um, everyone's got to go out and test their will from

00:52:48.000 time to time and, and testing your will for some people could be putting on that brand new gi and

00:52:53.540 a white belt and, uh, walking into that, uh, jujitsu, you know, gym and, and facing all those

00:53:02.100 people who've been doing it for months or years longer than you. Or if you've already been doing

00:53:07.180 that, well then, Hey, maybe it's go sign up for an adventure race, you know, and you're going to do

00:53:11.840 something that, you know, you're going to go kayak 14 miles, right? If you've never done that before,

00:53:17.280 your shoulders will be on fire and the sun will eat you alive. And it in, uh, what may sound easy

00:53:24.120 isn't exactly all that easy after all, but, you know, going and putting yourself in those situations,

00:53:28.860 I think it's always a great idea. I think there's a level of, uh, of, of pride, you know, that should

00:53:35.160 not excessive, but a level of healthy pride that should come from that. You know, I see a guy who's,

00:53:40.540 you know, 70 pounds overweight, who goes into the gym, man, I don't want to look at that guy with a

00:53:46.080 negative attitude. I think that's way harder than what I'm doing. Yeah. He's getting after

00:53:51.840 and he's making a change in his life. He's made the decision instead of sitting around talking about

00:53:56.140 it, you know, he's getting out and doing it. I think you're right. It's a, that kind of stuff's

00:54:00.080 important. Yeah. I like the idea of, of doing something annually that really pushes you. It's,

00:54:06.000 it's been a while. I did a Spartan ago years ago, and that was probably like the last thing that

00:54:10.180 really pushed me hard, but I committed this year to doing, uh, to, to going on a hunt with a friend

00:54:16.300 of mine who is like hunts hard. Yeah. And he, he, he like backwoods hunting. He's out, you know,

00:54:25.400 putting miles and miles. And he said, why don't you come on this hunt with me? And I said, okay,

00:54:29.320 I'll do it. And I'm nervous about it. You know, I'm not, I'm not prepared to the level he is,

00:54:34.900 but at the same time I've been, I've been gearing up for it. I've been preparing for it. And I think when we

00:54:39.520 put ourselves in these environments and situations, we force ourselves and that's what we need. We

00:54:44.940 force ourselves to get better than we currently are. And that's been the value of these types of

00:54:51.180 annual experiences. Yeah. I'm talking about here for me. Yeah. I think in plus when you have a,

00:54:56.880 like, let's say it's a, an annual goal. Now you're also giving yourself something to train for,

00:55:02.880 right? You've got to now go, all right, I can't just show up cold for this, or I'm not going to make

00:55:06.920 it, or you're not going to do well, or you're not going to finish or whatever it is.

00:55:09.520 But you got, now you have a goal and that usually makes training a lot easier when you have

00:55:14.760 something you're training for by just training. Right. And so mine this year at the beginning of

00:55:21.080 September is a hundred miles and five days, no more than 22 pounds. And it's just basically go,

00:55:29.060 and it's going to be in the Wyoming Highland or Highwire. Um, and it's zero trail, right? You're

00:55:37.000 basically almost bouldering the whole time. And the elevation changes anywhere from 9,000 feet

00:55:41.980 to 13,000 feet. And in the middle of summer, they still get blizzards out there. So it's crazy.

00:55:47.680 The weather can change on your heartbeat, but it's like minimalist attitude. Like, okay,

00:55:53.240 minimal warmies, minimal shelter, food, go. Yeah. Because you only have 22 pounds. I mean,

00:56:00.020 that's not a whole lot of weight. It's not. And putting in that restriction, whereas last year it

00:56:05.040 was what's called like basically a, um, a minute man loadout is what he calls it. And that is your

00:56:12.680 rifle, food, fishing, you know, equipment, shelter, everything. So now you're weighing in at about 50

00:56:19.540 pounds. Um, and you realize really quickly that, whoa, that was way too much weight for what you're

00:56:26.900 trying to accomplish to cutting the weight, you know, more than in half and just focusing on,

00:56:34.520 you know, basically speed. And so, you know, I think, you know, whatever it is, people choose,

00:56:41.020 just choose something, you know, it can be an organized thing. It can be a marathon. You know,

00:56:44.920 a lot of people aspire to do one of those at least once in their life. And then before you know it,

00:56:48.720 they're doing them every year or, you know, an Ironman, you know, you can do one Ironman or

00:56:54.100 more than likely, if you're going to spend the money on the equipment and the train and time and

00:56:58.120 getting that kind of shape, you're going to end up doing more than just one Ironman before you know

00:57:01.940 it. Now you're like this veteran person doing cool stuff that everybody admires or looks up to or

00:57:07.360 wants to learn from. So it's just a matter of getting out there and doing it. You know,

00:57:11.840 you bring up a good point. You talk about these guys who are, you know, veterans, Ironman or whatever

00:57:16.000 it is. It's like, well, at some point they were you, but at some point they never did one before.

00:57:22.380 And that could be you, you know, we look to these people and we think they're superstars. And frankly,

00:57:27.840 they're really not, you know, but look, I'm not discounting what they've done, but there's nothing

00:57:32.280 special. There's nothing unique. There's nothing extraordinary about them. They just plan something

00:57:38.680 and then they just do it on a daily basis and they work towards it and they get better and improve and get

00:57:43.500 better. And that's you in 10 or 15 years, maybe not even that long. Right. Yeah. You've seen how

00:57:50.120 quickly, you know, for the art you chose and you got after it and, you know, you can, you can get good

00:57:55.980 pretty quick at it. If you just, you know, once again, you just make the time and put your mind to

00:58:01.100 it. And before you know it, time has gone by and you're sitting there with your blue belt, right? I mean,

00:58:06.460 it's pretty cool. Yeah. What is the, what is the event that you were doing? You're talking about this

00:58:11.140 thing across Wyoming. What particular event is that? It's not, it's just, you know, I think it's

00:58:18.180 up to about five or six of us. Most several seals it's organized by a buddy of mine. And he, he calls

00:58:28.960 it the long walk. He tries to do at least a long walk every year, but the way he moves, it's not

00:58:34.840 walking. You're running. You're going to put in 20 miles a day and then you're going to sleep. You're

00:58:39.520 going to get up and you're going to put in 20 miles the next day over some of the roughest terrain

00:58:44.360 that this country has to offer. So, um, I mean, it's like big plates, you know, these big flat

00:58:53.540 plate, like boulders everywhere. So you're the whole time you're off balance and kind of,

00:58:59.460 you know, uncomfortable and just moving from boulder to boulder across miles. I mean, it's,

00:59:06.560 it's not easy. Um, and the change in elevation is really what will get you, you know, all of a

00:59:12.280 sudden you'll, you'll have gone a change in doubt, you know, a thousand feet in a very short period

00:59:18.720 of time and distance where your legs are just going to be on fire. So it's, um, it's, it's very much an

00:59:26.160 endurance, um, run. It's managing your intake. You know, you got to make sure you're like literally

00:59:32.880 eating while you're running, you know, kind of thing and while you're moving and then,

00:59:36.920 you know, making sure at night you're doing all the right things. So you, you wake up and

00:59:41.040 your feet aren't swollen like balloons. And then at the same time with the altitude, you know, you

00:59:46.200 always could face altitude sickness. Um, and so you got to, you know, make sure you're doing all the

00:59:52.960 precautionary stuff for that too. So, um, but yeah, it's, it's some seals and, uh, and some other

00:59:58.840 dudes that just do it for a living kind of thing. And we're just kind of going for it and, um, yeah,

01:00:05.380 it should be fun. Yeah. That's cool. So you said last year you had brought it. Yeah, for sure. Fun,

01:00:09.540 fun, fun is like, it depends on how you define fun, but okay. Fun. Yeah. Um, you said last year you

01:00:17.240 had brought, uh, a rifle and some fishing gear. I mean, were you, you were fishing and hunting for your

01:00:22.380 food? No. So, okay. So last year, yeah, the, the intent was, um, was to take some long shots.

01:00:32.480 So the idea is, is number one, kind of being at the level of performance to be able to do a hundred

01:00:40.820 miles and in a short period of time with all the gear necessary to survive long-term, right? Um, you

01:00:50.280 were still carrying your food, you weren't hunting it and, but you were carrying your rifle and, in the,

01:00:56.380 in the, in the goal was going to be to take some long shots, you know, take a moment. All right,

01:01:02.280 guys, let's get down. Let's, you know, take some long shot, whether you just, you know, you're trying

01:01:06.240 to kill a rock that's, you know, 400 yards away or whatever. Um, that was blended into it. Uh, comms

01:01:14.060 blended into it. Um, you know, basically make an HF, an HF shot from where you're at back to, uh, a home

01:01:23.340 base. Um, so a little bit of ham, a little bit of the long range shooting. Um, and then of course

01:01:31.740 with shelter and fishing, you're, you're carrying on basically this, uh, compact fishing kit so that

01:01:36.560 as worst case scenario, you needed to catch some, you know, cause there's tons of lakes up there,

01:01:40.780 right. You catch food, you know, any time of day. Um, but so the training, I, I trained for

01:01:47.460 geez, all the way up until I did the road trip. Okay. So now here's, here's the funny part.

01:01:53.580 I get in great shape. I got my pack, been running with it. Um, I get on the road and I put my body at,

01:02:01.660 you know, two or three 90 degree angles, right. When you're sitting in a vehicle,

01:02:05.460 11,000 miles, 30 days, go, go, go. And when I got to the last stop, I got out and I couldn't even

01:02:13.100 walk everything. I've never felt that much pain in my knees before. Um, and so I had done all the

01:02:20.980 training, but didn't actually get to go on that particular one. Right. So it was, uh, yeah. And I,

01:02:28.060 and it took me all the way up until probably, so that was May of last year. And I couldn't rehab

01:02:37.100 when I, June 1st, I got done with that road trip, you know, to build this book, get to September.

01:02:43.620 And I still was way out of, I mean, my legs, I'm talking like my legs were swelling all from the

01:02:51.660 knees, all the way to the ankles on a regular basis to the point where I went to the ER thinking I had

01:02:55.620 like clots in there somewhere. Right. It was, yeah, they were destroyed and it was mainly because

01:03:02.680 of sitting for that 30 days straight, locked up my hip flexors, which then locked up my quads,

01:03:08.420 which then put all this, uh, unnecessary tension on my knees and the physical therapy, everything I

01:03:15.860 was doing was not solving my problems. And, uh, so I had to pull out last minute and I literally just

01:03:23.600 these last month or two, I've been able to actually get my knees up and running again.

01:03:29.180 So, I mean, it was, uh, it was from sitting. Exactly. Like if you train your body, you know,

01:03:37.840 I kind of compare it, like if you train enough, you know, um, you you're, it's a high performance

01:03:43.860 machine, right? Like, like a Ferrari or any of these cars out there that have a, you know,

01:03:49.000 very intricate tolerance, like high tolerance. When you talk about machining something, you got

01:03:54.840 low tolerance, high tolerance, high tolerance means there's no gaps. I mean, it's, it fits perfectly

01:03:59.860 together. Right. Right. And our body, our bodies are a lot the same. So when you train it to a certain

01:04:05.620 level and then you let it sit, like it falls apart, like it doesn't know that you can't let like a high

01:04:12.820 performance vehicle or anything that's high performance sit that long or do nothing that long

01:04:17.400 and not expect it to, uh, have issues, you know, when you fire it up and that's, you know,

01:04:24.120 there's no doubt that that's sitting for that amount of time at those angles, you know, just

01:04:29.920 crushed it, you know, like you're talking, I was sitting in that car, you know, to try and get to

01:04:34.560 the, you know, 16 days, I mean, 16 dudes, 30 days, coast to coast. So you can do the math. There wasn't,

01:04:40.900 there wasn't any time to really stretch it out. You know what I mean? Right. And any stretching

01:04:46.940 you did, it was, it didn't matter because you were going right back into the position that you

01:04:50.820 were trying to, you know, correct yourself from. So yeah. Anyway. Yeah. That's interesting. I think

01:04:56.240 a lot about that when I hear guys like, uh, like, like campaigns or, or even Jocko or Goggins or some

01:05:02.400 of these guys. And it's like, you know, people will get on them like, Oh, you know, you need to take

01:05:06.740 a break. You need to take it easy. I'm like, you know, these guys have been training for years and

01:05:10.880 years and years. And the body is a very adaptive machine that they've been, been training to get

01:05:18.460 to that point. And even me, you know, as I get a little bit older, I get up in the morning this

01:05:22.400 morning. In fact, it was one of those days where I was like, I, I couldn't quite move my back the way

01:05:28.680 that I like, well, what's going on here. And I had to spend 30 good minutes of like stretching that out

01:05:34.820 and doing everything I could to get my body moving where I felt like it needed to move. And it's, uh,

01:05:41.380 but you're hitting on something important that I think a lot of guys gloss over that this, this

01:05:46.380 concept of, of, of taking care of yourself. You know, we're talking about combat. We're talking

01:05:52.600 about martial arts. We're talking about going hard, but then also there's a time where you need to take

01:05:58.360 care of yourself and make sure that you keep everything functioning and moving the way that it needs to be.

01:06:03.840 Yeah. Yeah. I've, I have now, um, if you're, if you're lucky enough in the community, in the

01:06:11.200 SEAL community, before you got out, if you had the opportunity to go to what used to be called API,

01:06:16.560 it was Athletes Performance Institute. Now they've changed their name and branding to EXOS,

01:06:21.560 E-X-O-S. And what they have figured out is how to increase the longevity of a professional athlete.

01:06:28.780 And so what the SEAL community did is create a relationship with them and said, Hey, how do we

01:06:34.160 increase the performance of a professional warrior or soldier? Right. And, um, if you haven't, I will

01:06:42.280 admit it takes time. Their workouts are long and that's because the, usually the only people going

01:06:48.660 to them are Olympic athletes, professional athletes. Right. Um, but what they focus on is that prehab

01:06:56.680 portion, right? You get out on a field and you do agility work, you work with bands and then you'll

01:07:04.000 slowly work your way up to doing some sprints and you're doing things at all angles, right? You're,

01:07:09.960 you're, uh, you're sidestepping with resistance. You're, you're marching forward, marching backwards.

01:07:16.100 They make you do a lot of things in different angles. And it's solely to keep your joints healthy,

01:07:22.580 right. And to increase mobility and flexibility in your workout hasn't even begun yet. Right.

01:07:28.660 Then you roll into pre-strength pre-strength stuff, you know, that's a block. Then you'll do your

01:07:34.480 strength and then you'll end with, um, usually some kind of metabolic, you know, like basically

01:07:41.220 equivalent to a CrossFit workout is at the end of this. Right. But what it does is it gets you

01:07:48.480 to start patterning and, um, you know, sensitizing your joints and your muscles to all the different

01:07:56.920 angles that, you know, that are out there so that you prevent injury, uh, prevent all the stuff that,

01:08:04.820 you know, I've been encountering. And so while I was in, you learn, you go, you go to them and,

01:08:09.460 you know, if you're lucky, you go eight weeks straight to, you know, an API in between deployments

01:08:14.500 and they recalibrate you, not only with the workouts, but the physical therapy and the

01:08:20.640 nutrition. So anyone listening to this, if you live near one of their four sites across the country,

01:08:26.140 walk in there and sign up. It is worth the money because they, they give you the, the, the,

01:08:32.880 they give you your supplements before your workout. You do the long workout. They give you a nice shake

01:08:39.040 that's designed for you at the end, sitting there on the counter with your name on it.

01:08:43.260 And then, uh, you know, then they do, um, the physical therapy piece if you need it. Um,

01:08:49.980 and you've got a nutritionist sitting there on board at all times, but point being goes back to

01:08:54.620 what we were talking about, taking care of yourself and knowing how to do it. If you just go find

01:08:58.200 that kind of education somewhere, you know, and then start implementing it. Yeah. You'll be able to

01:09:05.720 perform, um, much longer, you know, the kinds of things that we, we sometimes just relate to,

01:09:12.980 oh, when they, when I was young or young, young people do that. But what they figured out is no,

01:09:18.980 I mean, they're increasing an NFL. I mean, this is, they do all the workups for a combine.

01:09:25.100 Like for example, when I'm going, I have one right here near me and I'm lucky to have one,

01:09:29.460 but I'm in there with, you know, all NFL dudes, right. Free agents. And now that the season's over,

01:09:36.420 you know, you've got all your current guys in there now too. Um, and so you're working out with

01:09:43.000 pros and then you're, you know, being trained by, you know, without a doubt, the best people in the

01:09:49.920 industry right now. Um, but find a place like that near you go in there and get educated because it's

01:09:56.080 really everything combined. You know, it's, it's the nutrition, it's the physical therapy,

01:10:00.640 it's the workout and it's your rest that really allows you to perform, you know, for a lifetime

01:10:06.500 instead of just, you know, you know, I hit 40 and I fell apart. It's like, nope, not anymore.

01:10:11.180 Not with stuff like this out there, you know? Yeah. Yeah. This is called Exos. You said E-X-O-S.

01:10:16.620 Is that right? That's right. Yeah. You should get one in the public.

01:10:19.500 They have just started a, I forgot what they've named it, but, uh, a program. Yeah. For,

01:10:27.580 for pretty much anyone who wants to come in, um, they will, uh, put you through and take care of

01:10:36.060 you. And what I like about it is it starts with the physical therapy examination. So that's where

01:10:40.700 you say and go, all right, you know, for me, I've got two, both shoulders, right. Completely torn

01:10:45.720 labrums. I've got a hip that's out of whack, two knees that are screwed. You know,

01:10:49.480 you know, you got a list of issues and now they, and now they know like, okay, that no problem,

01:10:57.100 right. They start, they get the physical therapy going, they get your workouts that are designed

01:11:01.680 based on those injuries. And before you know it, you're feeling, you're feeling like way you're

01:11:07.060 feeling a hundred percent better in a very short period of time, because that's what, you know what

01:11:12.180 I mean? The guys that they have coming in, it's, it's wasted money if they're sitting on the bench,

01:11:17.160 right. So they have figured out how to get you up to a hundred percent quick. Right. I mean,

01:11:24.060 and, uh, it's, it's an incredible program. So anybody who can go, go to one of these sites,

01:11:29.620 you should. And then there's, there's a lot of other ones that have, um, popped up in different

01:11:35.860 cities all across America. They don't necessarily have the API XO's name, but they're doing exactly the

01:11:41.560 same stuff. So the odds are, if you live anywhere, you know, major metropolitans across America,

01:11:47.420 there is an API XO's like facility. And that's what you want to look for. These are not 24 hour

01:11:53.060 fitnesses. These are not LA fitnesses. These are human performance centers that deal with pros and

01:12:00.820 they usually have special deals for, you know, non pro folks. Right. I'll have to look into that.

01:12:07.540 Cause, cause I used to be the guy that, that would pride myself on, you know, you just,

01:12:11.560 you show up and you go to work. There's no stretching. There's no yoga. There's no,

01:12:18.140 there's no chiropractic. Like you just show up and you get your ass to work. And then you said the

01:12:23.940 magic number 40. I just hit 40 last week. And I'm like, okay, that's not working anymore.

01:12:29.720 Right. We we've got a chiropractor. In fact, that comes to our house every, uh, every month,

01:12:34.940 once a month, he comes to our house. And I remember my wife saying, I'm going to have this

01:12:38.680 guy come to our house. And I'm like, that's stupid. You don't need that. Like, that's ridiculous.

01:12:43.660 And then he, uh, he did some stuff with my shoulder. I was having some, some numbing issues

01:12:48.620 in my arm and I'm like, he, but that's stupid. He doesn't know anything about that. And he worked

01:12:53.640 through some things and, and, and talking to me about it and gave me some, some, some exercises I

01:12:57.920 could do. And it cleared up. I was like, okay, all right. Maybe, you know, maybe there's something to it.

01:13:04.940 Oh yeah. And gradually over the course of a year now or so he's become a family friend,

01:13:09.680 but I'm like, okay, there's something to taking care of your body. Like I didn't for the last four

01:13:17.140 decades of my life. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's, that has been, you know, across the military for

01:13:24.440 decades. That was the problem. As you know, it was like old school, right? Just, you know,

01:13:30.340 even the workouts, pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups, that's all we need, you know? And it's like,

01:13:34.680 that's very, that's a very linear world, right? It's up and down and forward, backward. I mean,

01:13:38.800 there's nothing to it, but you need all the directions, right? Um, and same with strength,

01:13:45.020 same with flexibility, same with mobility. Um, it's a time consuming, I will admit it's a time

01:13:50.960 consuming effort, you know, it's hour and a half, two hours of a workout. Uh, and by the time you're

01:13:58.180 done with, with an API or an exos workout, that's, uh, almost 70, 70 sets of everything that they put

01:14:08.960 in there, you know? So, um, it's a lot of work, but the other thing is that you're not sitting there

01:14:14.400 trying to, you know, you're not overloading on any one thing, right? It's all about the long game.

01:14:19.460 And, uh, but yeah, anyway, it's, it's good stuff. It's really good stuff. That's a good point too,

01:14:25.000 because, you know, a lot of times I think of these guys who are, you know, power lifting or, or, or,

01:14:29.080 or strength training. And I think, you know, it's good. It's good. You can, you know, deadlift 500

01:14:33.020 pounds and bench 400 pounds. That's good. There's nothing wrong with that. But you know, what, what if

01:14:39.080 somebody, you know, punches in your face, punches you in your face and you got to roll on the ground for 30

01:14:43.140 seconds or, uh, what if you need to lift the car hood off your wife or what if you need to, you

01:14:48.900 know, to, to run for, for any amount of time. And so you're talking about these linear exercises,

01:14:54.100 but the world operates in nonlinear planes, you know, where it's amazing. You know, my, I just got

01:15:00.760 my wife a stationary bike and, um, I I've been enjoying it as well. And I'm like, holy shit. Like I

01:15:06.680 thought I was in, I thought I was conditioned. I'm not conditioned for that, you know? And so

01:15:12.600 mixing it up in different ways makes me realize, you know, we're not as good or as healthy as maybe

01:15:17.780 we think we are. And, and we ought to be training for these little, little gaps that we have in our,

01:15:23.440 in our fitness. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. It having a, uh, like a multidisciplinary approach

01:15:29.980 is a good idea, you know? And I realized a while back, you know, like you get on a row machine,

01:15:36.100 you go, wow, I suck at this. Yeah. You get on a bike, you're like, well, I suck at that too. And

01:15:41.100 well, I suck at this. I suck at that. And, but those are the things you go, okay, one day I'm

01:15:45.140 just going to sit on the bike and get good at it. The next day I'll get on a row machine, get good

01:15:48.980 at it. You know, um, there's no rush either. You know, I think people too feel like, well,

01:15:53.780 I want to be in great shape by tomorrow. And then they go in and it's just overwhelming because then

01:15:59.960 they try and work out every, every aspect of their body. And, you know, that's just, that's

01:16:04.860 unrealistic, right? I mean, you just gotta take it one day at a time, pick those things out that

01:16:09.600 you're going to do each day and, uh, and then just work on them. You know, maybe one day is in

01:16:14.940 the weight room and another day is on a bike and another day is on a jump rope, right? Another day

01:16:20.320 is on a row machine. But as long as you're putting your body through all of these different angles

01:16:24.680 and all of these different, uh, exercises, then you're going to be a more well-rounded like human

01:16:31.440 as it relates to performance. Well, not to mention all that stuff's wonderful and great,

01:16:36.520 but not to mention it's just more enjoyable. You know, how many times can you do a deadlift

01:16:40.460 before you get tired of doing deadlifts? Right. Yeah. There are, there are select few people who

01:16:46.540 can do deadlifts forever and they're jacked. And then there's other guys like me. I'm like, okay,

01:16:52.260 I gotta have something different than a bench or a deadlift or a squat. Like I gotta punch the bag or I

01:16:57.280 gotta fight somebody or I gotta get on the bike or I gotta go for a run or whatever. And that makes it

01:17:03.280 enjoyable and keeps me in the game for a longer period of time. Yeah. I'm the same. I've got

01:17:07.720 fitness ADD, right? Yes. You gotta break it up every day, do something different, you know? And

01:17:13.040 that's, uh, that's what makes me look forward to it. You know, is it, if it's different, then yeah,

01:17:17.800 I'll keep doing it. Yeah. Well, Clint, tell us how we connect with you, learn more about what you're

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01:17:27.500 others as well. And you've got, um, your, your other books, your other work. So I want to make sure the

01:17:32.060 guys know where to connect with you. Yeah. I mean, the center of the ecosystem is

01:17:36.800 clintemerson.com. So you can get to everything there. My main platform on social media is

01:17:41.640 Instagram, but it's all, you know, it's obviously connected to all the others. Um, yeah, that's,

01:17:46.840 that's it. Clintemerson.com. Right on, man. We'll sync it all up. I appreciate you and our

01:17:51.600 friendship. It's been good to get, you know, you over the past several years and be able to connect

01:17:55.060 face to face and be able to have these conversations. Cause you have impacted my life. You certainly

01:17:59.960 impacted my kids as they read this stuff and want to try stuff on me. My son comes up to me. He's

01:18:05.200 like, dad, let me try this thing. And I'm like, I don't know if I really want you to try that thing,

01:18:08.660 but I'm willing to be a punching bag. If that makes them feel better and makes them

01:18:12.100 develop some of these skills, I'm all about it. So I appreciate you, man.

01:18:16.580 Oh yeah. Back in the podcast. Yeah. Back at you, man. Love your word. Love your message. You know,

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CLINT EMERSON ｜ Combat Skills for Good, Not Evil

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