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00:00:00.000 With the recent assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump, it's easy to see how

00:00:05.220 political tensions continue to rack it up, and it's becoming increasingly obvious that

00:00:10.120 we, as men, must be prepared to protect ourselves and others at a moment's notice.

00:00:15.660 My guest today, former Navy SEAL Clint Emerson, has made a career of developing personal readiness

00:00:20.840 in himself and others.

00:00:23.120 Today, we talk about the missteps and conspiracy theories around Trump's recent assassination

00:00:28.240 attempt, how DEI, or Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives endanger us all, when

00:00:35.540 discrimination can be useful, why time equals opportunity, and why opportunity equals survivability

00:00:41.580 in these situations, the run-hide-fight mentality, and how the Chinese could potentially start

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00:01:16.000 Men, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.

00:01:18.220 I am Ryan Michler.

00:01:19.660 If you don't already know, I'm the founder and the host of this podcast and movement,

00:01:23.440 the Order of Man, which is a movement to reclaim and restore masculinity to its rightful place,

00:01:29.160 a place where men are noble and righteous and honorable and virtuous and strong and capable,

00:01:35.700 and where society honors that, values that, and appreciates that in men.

00:01:40.260 Obviously, to achieve that mission, we've got a lot of work to do, and this podcast is a big part of that.

00:01:45.240 We've got Clint Emerson, former and retired Navy SEAL, on the podcast, also a New York Times bestselling author.

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00:01:57.140 Ben Shapiro, David Goggins, Jocko Willink, some very, very incredible men in their own rights

00:02:03.920 to impart some of their wisdom upon us.

00:02:06.720 Now, we've got a good one today and a very timely one as we talk about the crazy situation over the weekend

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00:04:01.000 All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest.

00:04:03.580 He is, as I said earlier, a retired Navy SEAL and New York Times bestselling author.

00:04:08.160 His name is Clint Emerson.

00:04:09.660 He has served in various combat zones.

00:04:11.920 He's executed many high-stakes missions, including against Somali pirates, al-Qaeda leadership,

00:04:17.500 and many other covert operations that he is not able to get into.

00:04:23.620 He has a passion for empowering others with life-saving skills through his 100 Deadly Skills book series

00:04:28.960 and also his most recent book, A Navy SEAL's Guide to Surviving Invasions, Civil War, and World War III.

00:04:36.240 He is also the founder of a security and crisis management organization called Escape the Wolf,

00:04:41.200 which specializes in addressing risk for corporations, VIPs, politicians,

00:04:46.960 including Trump's inauguration in 2017, and executives throughout the world.

00:04:52.040 Enjoy this one, gents.

00:04:54.760 Clint, welcome back to the Order of Man podcast.

00:04:57.320 So good to see you, man.

00:04:58.680 Hey, you too.

00:04:59.200 It's been a minute.

00:04:59.860 I think this is number three for me and you, maybe?

00:05:02.460 I don't know.

00:05:03.460 It is.

00:05:04.260 Yeah.

00:05:04.640 Yeah, and then I joined your podcast not too long, maybe roughly a year or so, a little over a year or so ago.

00:05:09.520 So we've had some good conversations.

00:05:11.820 I never, in my wildest dreams, would have imagined that we'd be having a certain kind of conversation today

00:05:19.120 that I was not prepared to have when we set this up last week.

00:05:22.900 Yeah, who would have thought?

00:05:23.820 I mean, just a little bit of time can make a huge difference, right?

00:05:29.740 Nuts.

00:05:30.380 Time and literally inches, right?

00:05:32.680 Inches.

00:05:33.420 Yeah.

00:05:33.780 It could spell the difference between what we're dealing with now in society and something that could be completely different.

00:05:39.180 I'm actually – I'm really glad on the timing of you and I talking because, if I understand correctly,

00:05:45.280 you helped run some security for President Trump's inauguration in 2017.

00:05:51.840 Is that correct?

00:05:52.820 Yeah, that's correct.

00:05:53.580 My company, Escape the Wolf, got contacted by some of my Secret Service folks and Trump wanted to extend Secret Service to a bunch of his family and friends,

00:06:07.060 which, as we all know, that's not their mission.

00:06:10.020 And so, the Secret Service said, hey, there's several people that need some, you know, more discreet protection for the entire weekend.

00:06:22.600 And so, we ended up providing, you know, obviously drivers and then, you know, close-end personal security for these folks.

00:06:30.100 And so, I had the awesome and rare opportunity to go to an inauguration.

00:06:35.940 I think every American should go to one at least once in their life.

00:06:39.660 It is pretty cool to see the transition of power in person.

00:06:45.160 And then all the events, you know, the ball and everything else that comes with it is pretty damn cool.

00:06:51.840 But security is pretty much what I do on the physical side.

00:06:57.000 And then also within policies and all the other boring stuff.

00:07:02.420 But I'll stop there and we can dig in.

00:07:05.020 Yeah. 0.98

00:07:05.720 You know, it's interesting as you see a lot of the commentary from people who are both intelligent and a lot of people who are just ignorant. 0.51

00:07:12.280 I would put myself in the latter category. 0.95

00:07:14.420 I'm ignorant about a lot of this stuff.

00:07:16.500 I do have some very, very minimal experience with the military and working in the government.

00:07:21.780 But there's a lot of people just completely throwing Secret Service under the bus over the past weekend.

00:07:28.340 And I think there's a lot of things to be critical of.

00:07:31.140 But also I think what a lot of people are missing is the bureaucracy and the red tape that goes along with, you know, rules of engagement, for example.

00:07:39.800 One rule of engagement I saw, for example, and whether this is true or not, I can definitely see this being the case.

00:07:45.960 Is that the Secret Service was not permitted or authorized to take a shot until that was authorized by somebody else who may or may not have even been there or in the situation itself.

00:08:01.100 And so there's obviously going to be a delay and a lag of time between the time the shooter was identified and the time that he was that threat was neutralized.

00:08:11.560 What do you think about that?

00:08:13.640 That's a lot.

00:08:14.900 So looking at layers of security, right, when you talk just generally about an open air venue like that, the Secret Service rolls in.

00:08:26.380 They are responsible for the ADVAN, right, or that advance piece.

00:08:31.760 And it is their job to then look at the venue and say, and through a reporting system, hey, these are all the things that need to happen in order to make this as secure as possible.

00:08:43.440 And keep in mind, it is literally almost impossible to, like, 100% secure an open air venue like that.

00:08:51.900 It's just it, right?

00:08:53.220 But obviously, somebody did not do their homework upon the assessment.

00:08:59.520 And if they did put it in the report that, hey, all rooftops need to have at least one armed person on top or, hey, we need to channelize the crowds into here, here, and here.

00:09:11.560 We need to block off a much greater fence line or perimeter with barricades, right?

00:09:16.780 All of this would be put into a report, and then the next part of the security layer is local law enforcement, you know, contracted security, the type of people you see that wear windbreakers that say security on the back and they're paid seven bucks an hour.

00:09:31.880 So there's layers to the security that then get implemented based on the Secret Service assessment.

00:09:41.520 So if the assessment said something that didn't happen, then that's, you know, unfortunately, it still probably rides on Secret Service.

00:09:52.120 Because if you're going to do the assessment, then it should be on the assessors to then make sure that local law enforcement, contracted security, and whoever else are actually doing what's required.

00:10:07.300 Does that make sense?

00:10:08.040 Yeah, you can't, you can't, if you're, it's, it's the old adage, the buck stops here, right?

00:10:13.480 You can't, if you're up here on this higher echelon, then say, well, you know, the people we hired didn't do a good job.

00:10:19.420 Well, you hired them.

00:10:21.540 I mean, that was your responsibility.

00:10:23.200 So two things can exist.

00:10:25.380 Local law enforcement may not have done the job necessary, but also you're responsible for ensuring that the former president is protected.

00:10:34.780 Right.

00:10:35.180 Right. And if you, when you dig in more granular, right, we know that they do assessments, right?

00:10:40.280 They do the advance, they have a report, the report lays out requirements.

00:10:44.900 The question will be, you know, who didn't follow through on the requirements or was all that information missed in the assessment?

00:10:53.200 Right.

00:10:53.500 That would be really bad if they did an advance and they didn't cover down on those rooftops that were literally a couple of hundred yards away or less.

00:11:02.960 Right.

00:11:03.180 I mean, that just seems common sense.

00:11:04.960 But now when you dive into the actual enclosed personal security of Trump, those guys followed their protocols, right?

00:11:17.240 It is all about stacking plates, right?

00:11:20.480 No different than us in a combat situation.

00:11:23.200 If one of my buddies gets injured, gets shot, and we still have incoming fire, I'm putting my body armor on my buddy.

00:11:31.700 We're all going to dogpile and put body armor everywhere to prevent any further injury or death or whatever.

00:11:38.760 So what they did was exactly what they're supposed to do is, you know, Trump went down on his own.

00:11:46.420 Then those guys dogpile put as much bone, flesh, and body armor in between them and the president.

00:11:53.540 They do not get up until, you know, the shooter is down.

00:11:58.220 You kind of heard them say that because there was microphones recording the whole thing.

00:12:02.160 So once shooter was down, then, and they made sure the rest of them, you know, we can't assume what's going on in their ears.

00:12:09.300 They got plenty of comms.

00:12:11.220 So, but they had to ensure that it was safe before they pulled their bodies off the president, then lifted the president, and then moved the president.

00:12:19.860 I would say the movement looked a little hokey, unfortunately.

00:12:25.040 A little clunky.

00:12:26.420 Yeah.

00:12:26.820 A little clunky. 0.98

00:12:27.140 Yeah, and keep in mind, it's hard for us, like, armchair quarterback, and, like, that's a lot of stress, and that's a lot of shit going on. 0.93

00:12:35.020 And, you know, and I'm sure, like I said, all the comms coming into their ears is going to make them move, stop, stop, move, wait. 0.91

00:12:43.460 We need to make sure this one, you know, we can't assume what's going on in their earpieces.

00:12:47.200 But I have to assume that was part of making them look clunky.

00:12:51.800 And then getting to the vehicle, getting them inside and getting out of there, you know, I think we saw some of the female piece that was very damning, right? 1.00

00:13:06.180 That one lady pulling her gun, then was, like, trying to find her holster, couldn't find her holster, so she just went back to, let me just, you know, let me just sweep everybody.

00:13:17.660 And, you know, guns pointed everywhere.

00:13:21.120 It looked...

00:13:22.180 Flag everybody, you mean, yeah. 0.99

00:13:23.640 Yeah, I just, once again, I hate to armchair quarterback the damn thing. 0.94

00:13:27.760 Because we don't know what's going on in their earpieces that made things go the way they did, but it certainly didn't look good, you know, from the assessment to the execution of the layers of protection, you know, to the actual movement of Trump, you know, just looked a little hokey, I think, you know, it's unfortunate. 0.98

00:13:51.960 Yeah, and I think, you know, you've said armchair quarterback a couple of times here.

00:13:56.820 I think the difference is that you are more credible to speak on these issues than I am, for example.

00:14:02.860 What do I know?

00:14:04.780 I'm not in security.

00:14:06.300 I've never had to worry about any of these things.

00:14:08.640 I can look back and say, hey, look, this wasn't right, and I can come up with all these conspiracy theories.

00:14:14.120 The difference between you and I is you actually have experience, real-world experience, where you've done things like this.

00:14:20.480 And so, yeah, you can armchair quarterback, but also there's some weight to it, which causes us to look at things differently.

00:14:26.820 It is pretty wild, and I want to get into the female piece of it because there's a huge conversation regarding not just with this particular incident, but generally this DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion piece.

00:14:39.800 And when you look at the images of a woman who's literally two-thirds the size of President Trump, it's even that alone.

00:14:50.440 Or the woman who's fumbling around with her firearm trying to figure out what to do. 0.79

00:14:54.380 Or there's another image of a woman back behind Trump, kind of looks crouched over.

00:15:00.540 I mean, we're taking a snapshot in time.

00:15:02.200 It doesn't illustrate the entire picture.

00:15:04.220 Right.

00:15:04.580 But it's pretty damning, and it's a real indictment on DEI, I think.

00:15:10.520 Yeah, I agree with you, man.

00:15:11.740 Like I've always said, if you, I mean, you need pipe hitters that can flip the switch to violence in a heartbeat, and they do it from a thinking shooter's point of view. 1.00

00:15:22.820 Meaning they're not, they're pulling guns and they're doing what they need to do, but they're also smart enough and experienced enough not to do something stupid in those moments, right?

00:15:31.480 And, you know, pipe hitters tend to be males, not females, and that's what you need around your president. 0.96

00:15:39.860 It's important to note, too, the Secret Service is not an offensive unit.

00:15:43.300 It's 100% defense, right?

00:15:45.220 I mean, everything they do is defensive, and that's just how it is in the PSD world, right?

00:15:52.420 You wait for something to happen, and then you respond as quickly and as methodically as possible based on your protocols.

00:15:58.760 And so at the end of the day, they are always at the disadvantage, and it's on them plus technology, and then they have this whole department called glass and steel, right?

00:16:13.400 Their glass and steel folks are the ones for putting up, you know, bulletproof glass on a podium, for example.

00:16:20.100 Steel would be the vehicles, and then they've got a lot of other tools in their arsenal that they can bring to bear.

00:16:26.860 But the candidates don't typically get that.

00:16:29.840 That's usually reserved for the president.

00:16:32.560 So I think there's a lot of – I think they're going to end up, you know, with this investigation.

00:16:39.880 And when you go through and assess everything, there's probably going to be some changes.

00:16:45.340 And the big piece for me was where were the drones that day?

00:16:49.240 The Secret Service drones, the law enforcement drones, the hired security force drone.

00:16:55.980 Where are the drones?

00:16:57.380 Like, they're not – you know, you and I can buy a drone and check out the area and ensure that there's nothing going on that's, you know, suspicious.

00:17:06.160 Or some guy's creeping up to a building and then climbing up the side of it and then crawling across the top of it.

00:17:12.260 But all of that, you know, a drone would have detected in a heartbeat.

00:17:16.640 But going back to the female leadership and, you know, increasing Secret Service female employment by 30 percent so that we've seen it, I think that's – I mean, I just feel like you need pipe hitters around the leader of the free world. 0.98

00:17:33.920 I agree. I think too many people tend to believe, and this is a direct result of the feminist movement, that just because a woman can't necessarily do the same job a man can do, that she's inferior. 0.99

00:17:48.840 And I don't believe that. As far as human worth goes, women bring so much to the table, so much to the equation. 1.00

00:17:55.240 We need women in society and culture, but we don't need them in these roles. 1.00

00:17:59.640 That's the reality of it. And I would even suggest, and maybe you disagree with me, we don't need them in combat roles.

00:18:05.800 Supportive roles? Sure. Absolutely.

00:18:08.520 I think there's incredible women who are incredibly nurturing, incredibly talented, incredibly intelligent. 0.98

00:18:14.280 Do I need them breaking down doors in some foreign conflict? Of course not.

00:18:18.740 Yeah.

00:18:18.960 I think only a degenerate, weak, pacified society would even argue that case.

00:18:26.880 Yeah, I'm with you, man. I think women have a place in everything in our lives, obviously. 1.00

00:18:33.160 It's nothing against women. It's bringing the best possible, performing, highest quality person for the job, right? 1.00

00:18:44.040 And if your job is to drag a 200-pound-plus man to safety, it probably is going to take another man of that size and strength to do it.

00:18:55.320 You know, so the standards of what the best is, what is the best for the president, and then hire based on that.

00:19:04.340 Not hire because we need to fit a certain percentage of different people and demographics into an agency.

00:19:12.140 It's, hey, it's the president of the United States.

00:19:15.180 Now, what does it take to protect him the best we can, right?

00:19:20.420 And there's variables.

00:19:21.320 Then you make sure all of those variables are matched by the people and the technology you put around him.

00:19:28.400 And I think if you worked it backwards, one, that's not discrimination, right?

00:19:33.260 That's just facts that you're adhering to and requirements that you're adhering to.

00:19:37.820 And the odds are it's going to be a bunch of linebackers that can carry a 200-pound man to the safety of a vehicle or wherever, whatever the incident is.

00:19:49.820 You know, it's not rocket science.

00:19:52.080 And it used to be the standard.

00:19:53.980 It used to be okay.

00:19:55.680 But as we've seen the last couple of years, it's become strange that different minorities of our population have the biggest bullhorn. 0.90

00:20:06.360 And the majority have to sit here and go, oh, I guess we got to go with this.

00:20:10.780 We just have to roll with this.

00:20:12.400 Like, what happened to majority rules?

00:20:14.840 It just doesn't exist, which is the foundation of democracy.

00:20:18.100 So if the majority doesn't rule, then where's the democracy at?

00:20:24.020 Yeah, I mean, the only issue I take with what you said is I think it is discrimination, you know?

00:20:30.660 And I don't actually think discrimination is a bad thing.

00:20:33.620 Inherently, there's nothing wrong with discriminating.

00:20:36.300 Excuse me.

00:20:37.260 You know, when I have a job that needs to be completed, I'm going to exercise some level of discrimination to find the best person possible.

00:20:47.180 Now, I'm not going to discriminate on immutable characteristics like skin color, hair color, sexual orientation, female, male.

00:20:57.900 I'm going to discriminate based on, to your point, what is required of the job.

00:21:02.880 People have a negative connotation of discrimination and also the word judgment, which is another one, especially in Christian circles.

00:21:08.960 We shouldn't judge maybe, but are you telling me you don't get to exercise any discernment because God told you you shouldn't judge other people?

00:21:17.760 No, I'm going to treat people differently and I'm going to hire and bring people into my circle based on what I think they're able to accomplish.

00:21:25.580 Yeah, no, I agree with you.

00:21:27.840 I feel like, you know, yeah, we've taken words and we've polarized them to the point where you feel like you can't even use them.

00:21:35.620 And then you got to get creative on how do I get what I want without looking like what they think I'm going to look like.

00:21:42.420 And I mean, that's just all, that's a whole lot of waste, right?

00:21:45.180 Like a waste of time, energy, stress.

00:21:47.280 It's like, man, why can't we just go back to the 80s when, you know, when I was a kid and said retard, it didn't, I wasn't making fun of like anybody with mental disorders. 0.80

00:21:56.460 I just liked the word, hey, that's, that's retarded. 0.99

00:21:58.740 No different than saying, hey, that's goofy or weird.

00:22:00.980 You know, it's, it's, uh, it's amazing that over time we've just become so sensitive when we really don't need to be.

00:22:10.860 It just creates more drama and stress for everyone.

00:22:13.840 I mean, you use the word retard. 0.99

00:22:15.720 When I was a kid, all me and my buddies, we always called each other faggots. 0.99

00:22:19.400 Like, yeah, it just, it was what it was. 1.00

00:22:22.100 Like you're a fag. 1.00

00:22:22.940 Like it, it was just a word, but everybody's so hypersensitive over all of this stuff to your point. 1.00

00:22:29.020 And it just makes life just kind of miserable when everybody's latched onto these things.

00:22:34.620 It's like, you know, just get over it, like get tough and get over it.

00:22:38.220 Yeah, for sure.

00:22:38.960 It's, uh, I get like, you know, a part of it is, you know, me working in a corporate arena, right?

00:22:45.520 And corporations, um, the HR departments basically rule the organization, um, rightfully so because they want people all to be treated the same, treated equally, make sure it's a good work environment.

00:23:00.040 Everybody's happy.

00:23:00.880 So I kind of get like the HR side of it, you know, um, having been involved in it so many different times. 0.89

00:23:07.420 But when you really start just nuking things that aren't necessary, that's when it becomes a little more ridiculous.

00:23:13.900 Yeah.

00:23:15.600 And, and to your point, you know, every, every organization, every company I believe has the right to say, Hey, we're not going to use that language.

00:23:23.820 Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

00:23:26.000 A company can decide, Hey, we're not going to speak that way.

00:23:28.940 We're not going to use that language.

00:23:30.760 Uh, and, and if you do, you're out, I can respect that.

00:23:34.020 You know, that's fine.

00:23:35.120 If I'm not interested in that, that those rules, then I don't have to do business with that company.

00:23:40.540 So it's, it's pretty simple to me.

00:23:43.100 Anyways, I want to go back to something, um, about this, the shooting and then get into a little bit more meat of what I wanted to address with you today is I was really surprised.

00:23:51.800 You talked about this shooter getting within, I think, uh, uh, maybe the New York times or, or one of these big legacy media organizations had suggested that the, the rooftop from which the shooter shot was, was about 130 yards.

00:24:06.800 So basically a chip shot to the president.

00:24:08.820 And I'm really interested how this individual was able to climb up on a rooftop.

00:24:18.520 People saw him well before he took any shots.

00:24:21.880 I saw one report and even an image, and I don't know if this is accurate.

00:24:25.020 I try to take everything with a grain of salt, that there was a ladder that this individual had brought and set up against the building to climb up onto the rooftop.

00:24:32.040 This is, this is, this is unacceptable.

00:24:35.860 And it, I can't help, but believe that, that not only is it unacceptable, was this allowable?

00:24:41.800 Yeah, it does seem strange considering there were the BBC interview with the witnesses that were standing in that area.

00:24:49.660 And they clearly said, there's someone climbing on the building with a rifle over there and supposedly told law enforcement and law enforcement.

00:25:01.340 And I think at first didn't do anything, they either didn't believe it or didn't see it for themselves.

00:25:06.640 And then I think I saw another report where an officer that actually did see him and engage him, at least verbally, he then, the shooter then turned his gun towards that officer and the officer then crouched down and took cover.

00:25:20.880 And then shortly after that, then started taking shots on the, on Trump.

00:25:25.920 So, um, you and I, this, this, obviously we're talking about this very fresh, right?

00:25:33.100 It just happened.

00:25:34.340 So, as we both know, the facts will continue to either be confirmed or change, which usually is the case, you know, once investigations occur and everything.

00:25:44.360 So, um, but for right now, yeah, it looks like complete lapse in security.

00:25:53.720 Uh, they did not follow any protocols that I've ever seen or leveraged, you know, in the big world of perimeter security where you have the four or five Ds, right?

00:26:03.140 It's, you know, you want to deny, you want to delay, um, you want to detour, uh, ultimately you want to set everything up so that you can then detain, right?

00:26:13.200 And then the last one is, you know, defend or quote unquote death if they're coming through your perimeter in a certain fashion.

00:26:22.380 But I mean, even the most basic of following the principles of the four or five big Ds doesn't seem like anybody took any of that into account, uh, as it related to this.

00:26:33.940 Um, yeah, I think there's, I mean, a lot of information may still come out that we're not privy to yet because we're talking about it.

00:26:42.840 So early.

00:26:43.820 Yeah.

00:26:44.400 I mean, look, breakdowns happen and I'm not going to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon just yet.

00:26:49.520 You know, there might come a point where I do, but, uh, I, I, the, the quote I've heard and that I, that I try to live by is never attribute to malice. 0.99

00:26:58.820 What could be attributed to stupidity or ignorance?

00:27:01.340 And my biggest concern is that we have, let's just hypothetically say there was no malice other than the shooter's intentions. 0.99

00:27:09.260 Uh, there's no conspiracy behind it that we just won't do anything about it.

00:27:14.480 The, the, the head of secret service, I don't know her name right off hand.

00:27:17.820 She's not going to step down.

00:27:19.340 There's going to be no accountability for this woman. 0.87

00:27:21.520 There's going to be no accountability for any of, of, of how this is all handled.

00:27:25.740 That's what's frustrating to me. 0.96

00:27:27.160 You see these, um, congressional hearings, for example, and all these politicians grandstand and they get their TikTok reels and all this bullshit. 0.70

00:27:34.240 And at the end of the day, like nothing changes.

00:27:37.140 And that's the most frustrating thing for me.

00:27:39.320 And I think the majority of American citizens.

00:27:42.220 Yeah, I think, um, I think you're right all the way until we hit November 2nd, you know, and then January, I think there'll be some accountability then, you know, it's, uh, I don't think, you know, Trump's not the kind of guy that's just going to let this thing go.

00:27:59.380 So once he's in there, I think there'll be a full sweep of, uh, you're fired across the board.

00:28:05.960 And then, uh, some rapid, rapid improvements, changes, you know, adjustments.

00:28:11.220 I no doubt about it.

00:28:13.240 Well, let's shift gears a little bit here.

00:28:15.140 I still want to maintain and stay on this, this vein of, of what happened in Pennsylvania, but I'm actually really interested from your perspective, from the bystanders perspective, you know, you've got hundreds, if not thousands of people in the audience.

00:28:29.380 Uh, you've got at least one person killed, I think one or two people injured as a result of this outside of the, uh, former president.

00:28:37.720 What is your take on the reaction of the participants?

00:28:42.820 Did you see things that you thought, okay, that person handled it well, that's what I would have done.

00:28:47.180 Or did you see some general behavior you thought that was handled poorly?

00:28:50.960 I wish more civilians knew this.

00:28:52.620 I'd love your take on that.

00:28:53.880 Yeah, as you know, I'm, you know, my full-time job is providing all the crisis management, which is really on the preparedness prevention side, right?

00:29:02.600 Good policy, good workforce education, and good tools that support it so that, you know, if you find yourself in a crisis, you're only in it for the shortest period of time possible.

00:29:12.980 And then you can get to post-crisis as quickly as you can, right?

00:29:17.320 Um, and with that mantra, open air venues like that, massive people, um, you know, let's face it, these things are scheduled.

00:29:26.600 People know they're going to show up.

00:29:28.640 Uh, it's not like any, it's not like an organization where, Hey, before you show up, we're going to provide this training on what to do if shots are fired.

00:29:36.900 But mass shootings aren't anything new, um, and people should know at this point, you know, the run, hide, fight mantra and run obviously is a, is your first option if it's available because increasing distance obviously increases survivability.

00:29:56.600 Um, hide, meaning take cover or get concealment, you know, um, is the next best thing if you can't run.

00:30:04.060 For example, the people sitting behind the president, they're in the, they're in, um, stadium style seating.

00:30:11.140 They're kind of, it's, it's, it's almost like being in an elevator, for example, right?

00:30:16.120 A contained environment because you can't easily just get off of the bleachers, right?

00:30:20.720 Because you're surrounded by a bunch of other people.

00:30:23.620 Um, right.

00:30:24.720 So the other people become these natural barricades that prevent movement.

00:30:29.080 So at that point you should be getting down, taking cover.

00:30:32.000 I found it interesting that most people behind the president kept their phones up, started filming.

00:30:39.680 Yes.

00:30:39.880 Some people leaned right and leaned left, but very few people disappeared into the bleachers, you know, or you could drop down into, um, the seats, if you will, you know?

00:30:52.060 Um, and they continued to just kind of sit there and look around.

00:30:56.260 Um, now I think people down in front of the president, it was hard to tell.

00:30:59.540 I think some people did physically get up and run, right?

00:31:03.140 Um, and others kind of sat, but long story, long answer.

00:31:09.620 I'll shorten it up here a little bit is just understand that very simple mantra of run, hide, fight.

00:31:15.640 Um, and it's in no particular order.

00:31:18.760 It's based on the environment and the situation you're in.

00:31:21.580 If taking cover makes sense, then do it.

00:31:24.280 If running makes sense, then do it.

00:31:26.760 Um, and if you feel like you need to fight, then yeah, by all means fight.

00:31:30.420 So if I personally would have seen somebody crawling up the side of a building, uh, and then, you know, getting onto the roof, I think I would have definitely, um, gone over there and yanked that kid right off the wall or joined him on the roof.

00:31:48.140 I mean, that's just me personally. 1.00

00:31:50.480 Like I would have personally gone, Hey, I'm going to go fuck this kid up before he does something stupid. 0.99

00:31:55.820 Yeah, I think you're a different breed, you know, and it, with all due respect to other people and of course you as well, you're a different breed and you also have a lot of training, right? 0.99

00:32:06.180 So the normal, normal average American doesn't have the level of training that you do that you're going to be running.

00:32:12.260 And it also comes with your personality.

00:32:14.340 I mean, you wouldn't have been a Navy SEAL if you didn't have some of that inherent, just fighter mentality.

00:32:20.340 And I think there are people who do, they're just my, my youngest son is one of those.

00:32:24.740 I don't know if he's going to become a Navy SEAL or anything like that, but I know that kid wants to fight.

00:32:29.060 Like he always wants to fight.

00:32:30.980 It's just in his personality.

00:32:33.200 Well, you know, so I guess it's hard.

00:32:35.260 Go ahead.

00:32:35.780 Yeah.

00:32:35.940 On that note, you know, I'm not saying everybody should be able to do that.

00:32:39.840 I think you have to go, okay, what is my, what am I capable of?

00:32:44.080 Right.

00:32:45.180 And do my cap up, do your capabilities match your courage.

00:32:48.680 Right.

00:32:49.040 Because if you don't have the courage that matches, if both of those things aren't equal, then you'll, you'll find yourself in a world of hesitation and get yourself killed or get other people killed.

00:32:58.760 Right.

00:32:59.600 So capability and courage got to be combined.

00:33:02.060 And if you're one of those men, then you should be doing that.

00:33:08.340 That's, that's the takeaway.

00:33:10.780 Men, let me pause the conversation very briefly.

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00:34:25.540 Do that right after the show.

00:34:26.740 Let's get back to it with Clint.

00:34:29.420 I also wonder, though, if there is some cultural conditioning, you know, let's say and there were men you can see in the videos who identified that this was somebody who should not have been there.

00:34:40.940 Somebody who had a firearm and were clearly threatened by what was going on.

00:34:46.320 But then you have what's what's the guy's name?

00:34:49.520 Daniel Penny.

00:34:50.160 Daniel Penny, if you remember, is the guy who subdued the individual on I think it was either the train or the subway, and he ended up killing him.

00:34:59.220 He choked him out.

00:35:00.320 He ended up killing him, unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it.

00:35:04.220 And, you know, he's he's being tried for murder, if not manslaughter, might be manslaughter, but he's being tried right now.

00:35:13.080 He was indicted.

00:35:14.160 So it's like, you know, what's a guy to do?

00:35:16.940 He has to he has to balance.

00:35:18.500 Like, do I do what I believe is right?

00:35:21.320 And and from a principled perspective, it's easy to say yes.

00:35:25.180 But then there's some very real world consequences for doing what you're suggesting.

00:35:30.460 Yeah, no doubt.

00:35:31.380 And it's unfortunate.

00:35:32.200 You know, we are like the I always tell people the end of the wars, both Iraq and Afghanistan were for us were basically governed by attorneys, which is insane.

00:35:42.040 You know, and then coupled with attorneys was investigations, right?

00:35:48.260 Everything he did, it was all good, you know, but we just need to investigate it anyway.

00:35:54.780 You know, it's just and so I feel like, you know, obviously we put ourselves in a situation where doing the right thing or doing something good once again creates hesitation because, well, what's the consequence?

00:36:09.660 And is the consequence is my action worth the consequence that may be delivered to me, which is kind of unfortunate, right?

00:36:16.140 Because if we've got a bunch of people that want to do the right thing, but they go, wait a minute, I might go to jail.

00:36:21.780 Never mind.

00:36:22.440 I'm not going to do the right thing now.

00:36:24.180 Well, that's that's a horrible place for like society to be. 0.99

00:36:28.880 I mean, this this guy, again, based, you know, based on the circumstances, I know Daniel Penny, that guy should be given a key to the city.

00:36:35.660 I mean, he should be heralded as a as a hero, you know, not not as a criminal.

00:36:41.160 Right.

00:36:41.660 Yeah.

00:36:41.840 And and that's the problem that we as society have is we place these people into these categories that they don't belong.

00:36:47.680 We should be celebrating him because he was a man who was acting courageously and not only on the behalf of his own self, but other people who are in the subway at the same time.

00:36:56.080 And it's it's a hard pill to swallow when you have a guy who knows what he should be doing.

00:37:01.620 But he's also got a family and he's also got responsibilities and he's got people to take care of, you know, and you hear this.

00:37:08.080 I'll just mind your own business.

00:37:09.380 And I hate to admit it.

00:37:11.600 I kind of get the argument.

00:37:13.200 I kind of get the point.

00:37:14.240 Yeah, no, I do, too.

00:37:16.060 And then having to rely on the judicial system to, you know, claim whether you're guilty or innocent.

00:37:23.140 And, you know, and even if you come out innocent, you've bankrupt yourself to the point where, well, what do you do next?

00:37:29.840 And your name is tainted and everything else that comes with it.

00:37:32.360 So the concept, the initial consequence most of the time is not even close to the biggest issue.

00:37:38.360 It's all the other consequences that come later to to just trying to do the right thing.

00:37:43.340 It's crazy.

00:37:44.700 Yeah.

00:37:45.280 Well, you know, I know I don't think anybody would have expected this.

00:37:48.680 It's it's I heard it's it's shocking, but not surprising.

00:37:52.920 I think that's a pretty good assessment of what happened over the weekend.

00:37:56.080 But what are some other scenarios that are more predictable?

00:38:00.900 Because, look, as men, we have a finite amount of time and resources and energy and attention.

00:38:06.700 So what are some other real world scenarios that are more likely to occur that we as men can prepare for and maybe even leverage?

00:38:16.000 You know, if you're preparing for one thing, it's actually going to cover a broad swath of of things that might happen, for example.

00:38:22.260 You know, through my books, it's all been the same rhetoric for me.

00:38:27.200 You know, preparing for crisis in general starts with human performance.

00:38:30.520 So as a man, you've got to get in the gym, right?

00:38:34.140 You've got to be capable of rescuing yourself, rescuing your family or even, you know, strangers.

00:38:41.780 But you can't do that if you're not getting in shape.

00:38:45.560 Right.

00:38:45.900 You've got to have the strength and you've got to have the endurance.

00:38:49.620 Both of those things coupled together, you know, allows you to perform when stress is high and you have zero time.

00:38:58.660 And so what leads to that is tactical decision making.

00:39:02.380 Right.

00:39:03.340 Tactical decision making is just that it's making decisions when you have an abundant amount of stress and zero time.

00:39:10.760 And the way that you become really good at it is the old adage of what if thing every environment you go into.

00:39:18.020 Right.

00:39:18.760 So if I'm going into a coffee shop or my local gym or wherever, you know, you've got to sit there and just take a couple of seconds.

00:39:26.260 It's not a big deal, you know, to go.

00:39:28.400 All right.

00:39:28.900 Where are my exits?

00:39:29.820 Because the exits dictate my route.

00:39:32.580 What are the obstacles?

00:39:34.080 And of those obstacles, which ones stop bullets?

00:39:36.400 And then where are my improvised weapons?

00:39:38.060 Because I don't have anything with me right now.

00:39:40.760 And the more you play through these scenarios, you're basically answering the questions.

00:39:48.920 Right.

00:39:49.920 And those answers are actions.

00:39:52.560 And that way, if something does catch you off guard, because we always have to respect the element of surprise, you've already answered the decisions hundreds of times before you face that threat.

00:40:06.620 So now you've put time on your side because all you've got to do is act out the very thing that you have decided hundreds of times before.

00:40:16.840 Right.

00:40:16.980 And you always write time equals opportunity, opportunity equals survivability.

00:40:26.200 And so the goal is always make time and an ally versus an adversary.

00:40:34.660 So human performance, tactical decision making are, I think, two huge skills, if you will, that every man should be practicing so that they're better prepared for what could potentially come around the corner.

00:40:49.880 Yeah, I tend, I tend to look at this in the realm of sports, you know, if you're going to go compete against another football team, you're going to study film, you're going to visualize, you're going to try to get an idea of what the opponent's going to do so that when you get on the field, you're not making decisions for the first time.

00:41:07.060 You might be experiencing it for the first time, but you're not making decisions for the first time.

00:41:12.540 And so when that tackle pulls and goes to the left, you can be pretty confident that that's a play to the left side.

00:41:18.800 Right.

00:41:19.360 Yeah.

00:41:19.700 But I think a lot of guys, they just, I mean, how many people are just buried in their phone, right?

00:41:26.520 They're at their, they're at dinner with their wife or their kids, or they're hanging out with their buddies and they're buried in their phone. 0.92

00:41:32.500 Or I went to dinner the other night with my girlfriend and there was probably 15 guys at the table next to us and they're completely just shit faced beyond, you know, recognition. 0.97

00:41:40.880 And they're just loud, obnoxious and swearing and everything else. 1.00

00:41:43.940 And it's like, man, those guys are useless. 0.99

00:41:46.400 And if, if everything, if something were to go down, those guys are completely useless. 0.99

00:41:50.540 And not only that, they're probably a liability more than anything else. 0.80

00:41:54.040 Yeah, you're right.

00:41:55.500 Awareness is key.

00:41:56.440 Um, and so if you turn tactical decision-making into your own game, what if in your environments that you're walking into, you're automatically forced to put your phone away.

00:42:05.600 Right.

00:42:06.220 So tell yourself, I'm going to start what if-ing everything so that I'm not distracted.

00:42:11.700 Um, and that, that applies to driving down the road, you know, going through intersections, stop signs, right? 0.99

00:42:17.140 We all know that you can have your seatbelt on a full tank of gas and still get T-boned by some idiot that is on their phone. 0.99

00:42:23.320 Um, so element of surprise, once again, is always there. 1.00

00:42:27.880 But if you have your head out of your ass and you actually pay attention, you'll see the person running the red light. 0.99

00:42:36.020 If you just look left or right as you, you know, leave the line when the light turns green, right? 0.99

00:42:41.680 Um, so yeah, you point out some grades.

00:42:44.520 Just simple awareness goes a long ways, but we've all lost it because of everything going on around us.

00:42:49.680 You, you talk about in the book, uh, this, the, the civil war, right?

00:42:55.500 Surviving civil war.

00:42:57.020 And I'm really curious.

00:42:58.960 I mean, obviously the thing I like about your book is the pictures.

00:43:03.080 It's like, it's so much better for a guy like me.

00:43:05.620 I'm like, Oh, pictures.

00:43:06.380 I can deal with this book.

00:43:08.000 Um, but I, I am curious to, as, as your take on potential civil war, like, is this something

00:43:15.820 that you, we, we, as Americans know that that happens in other countries that doesn't happen

00:43:22.180 here, but if you spend any time thinking about it or looking at how it's happened in other

00:43:26.560 countries, it's not far-fetched to believe that could actually happen here, or at least

00:43:31.080 some level of civil unrest between political parties, especially now considering the temperature

00:43:36.060 that politics is at.

00:43:38.120 What, what is your take on potential civil war?

00:43:41.520 What that might look like and what we need to do to be prepared for something like that.

00:43:44.580 Um, yeah, so it's not fear-mongering for me, you know, with these books I do, it's all

00:43:51.100 about providing skills in the most digestible format.

00:43:55.760 And as you mentioned, they're all illustrated and, you know, what better way to learn something

00:44:01.640 than through pictures?

00:44:02.860 Um, especially like the ones that I do are very much like step one, two, three.

00:44:08.660 Okay.

00:44:08.980 Got it.

00:44:09.400 You know how to do that now.

00:44:10.500 Um, and as it relates to invasion, civil war, that potential of world war three that we always

00:44:20.100 talk about, um, it started for me just a couple of years ago when I started the book, I was

00:44:25.720 like, well, you know, tensions in the climate and everything feels just different.

00:44:31.900 And I don't know that you feel it, but I just felt like the gap between the right and the

00:44:37.920 left is so big that it opens us up to chaos in the center.

00:44:44.000 Right.

00:44:45.120 Um, and what does chaos look like?

00:44:49.920 Chaos looks like what happened to Trump, right?

00:44:54.460 When you have an American citizen trying to take the life of another American citizen running 0.87

00:45:01.640 for president, that in itself literally could be the trigger for a civil war, especially

00:45:12.360 when the left and the right are so vastly different.

00:45:18.220 Um, and that big, massive gap in the center basically leaves us open to just anything could

00:45:26.700 happen.

00:45:27.200 Right.

00:45:28.580 Um, so do I want something like that to happen?

00:45:34.480 No, we, we, none of us want that.

00:45:37.220 Um, but can you prevent it through conversation?

00:45:40.500 Hell yeah, because once you actually start talking about the potential of civil war or

00:45:46.380 world war three, and people actually feel the gravity of something like that, then it

00:45:52.000 might, it might cause some change.

00:45:54.900 It might cause some people to wake up.

00:45:57.100 It might cause people to go, you know what?

00:45:59.440 Just talking about it, thinking about it really is nerve wracking and I never want to experience

00:46:04.500 it.

00:46:05.780 So maybe I should be a little more flexible in thought and belief, whatever it is so that

00:46:13.520 I can get a little more to the center and we can close this massive gap where chaos exists.

00:46:19.840 Right.

00:46:20.360 And that's, that's the goal.

00:46:22.280 It's, I, I, I'm not trying to instill a civil war.

00:46:27.580 It's more like, Hey, no, I'd rather make everybody think about it, talk about it, and hopefully

00:46:32.940 decide a hundred percent against it through skills that could get you, you know, that

00:46:39.480 could save your life if interrupted, if we had an invasion, if there was world war three.

00:46:46.100 Yeah.

00:46:46.620 I mean, I, I was, I just pulled up the book cause if I remember correctly, it's in legal

00:46:50.820 stuff and disclaimers.

00:46:52.040 Number one is no incitement or endorsement, you know?

00:46:54.720 So you're not trying to incite any of these things.

00:46:57.560 You're just trying to make sure that men are prepared.

00:47:00.740 At the end of the day, it's entertainment.

00:47:02.140 Yeah.

00:47:02.700 At the end of the day, it's entertainment, informational, um, skills that no one should

00:47:08.540 be, you know, practicing unless, you know, things go really bad here in our country.

00:47:17.960 Yeah.

00:47:18.040 And I also think there's, there's skills that are transferable.

00:47:21.220 You know, if you're, if you're, for example, practicing, uh, marksmanship, well, that's going

00:47:28.600 to apply not if not necessarily if you're in a civil war, but if you're trying to go shoot

00:47:33.120 a deer this fall for your family, right?

00:47:35.000 So like there's skills that you can develop and learn that are not only going to apply

00:47:40.060 to some catastrophic situation, like you may be addressing in the book, but they're going

00:47:44.560 to apply to real world scenarios.

00:47:46.560 A great example of that is, um, food storage.

00:47:50.080 You know, you hear a lot about food storage from preppers and making sure you have enough

00:47:55.300 to survive in case there's the zombie apocalypse.

00:47:57.900 What a lot of people don't consider is you may be at a work for 30 days or 60 days and

00:48:04.200 you got to live on food storage for a few days.

00:48:06.640 Cause you don't have $200 to go buy groceries this month.

00:48:09.420 Yeah.

00:48:10.020 So, well, this $200 wouldn't go a month, but you understand what I'm saying.

00:48:13.860 Yeah.

00:48:14.480 Maybe 30 years ago I would have not anymore.

00:48:17.280 Yeah, no doubt.

00:48:18.340 No.

00:48:18.580 Yeah.

00:48:18.840 That valid point, right?

00:48:20.040 All of all the skills also are from a predator prey point of view, right?

00:48:25.220 If I know what the predator is capable of, and I know all their tricks and the predator

00:48:30.180 could be another, um, uh, foreign nations military.

00:48:35.960 It could be, uh, a criminal, right?

00:48:39.360 There's, there's all kinds of different predators out there, but if I know how they operate, then

00:48:44.400 I'm going to be able to detect them.

00:48:45.720 I'm far more aware.

00:48:47.100 So a lot of my books really are just about giving you the education so that increases your

00:48:52.820 awareness, um, so that if you notice like, oh, wait, that's yeah, it's happening to me

00:48:59.840 right now, right?

00:49:01.220 Whatever that skill is, I don't, there's a lot of skills in there that people consider

00:49:05.840 taboo, but when you flip it around, the predator prey aspect, knowing that skill isn't for you

00:49:11.880 to go do it's so that you can recognize it when it's coming your way.

00:49:15.520 Hmm.

00:49:16.820 Good point.

00:49:17.660 What, what do you think the likelihood of, cause since we're talking about invasions,

00:49:22.440 uh, civil wars, world war three, what do you think the actual likelihood of a foreign invasion

00:49:28.300 on American soil is, is that even, is that likely, is that a possibility?

00:49:33.020 What's your take on that?

00:49:34.400 No, I don't think it's likely as an initial conventional, you know, no conventional force

00:49:40.120 is coming here, right?

00:49:41.080 You got 330 million Americans, you got 430 million guns and trillions of bullets, right?

00:49:47.660 So nobody wants to come here because they're not going to win at the end of the day.

00:49:53.380 They're going to get massacred and they know that.

00:49:57.640 So invasion takes on a different definition these days, right?

00:50:03.900 Cyber is, you could very easily invade the United States just through cyber attacks alone.

00:50:13.100 Um, we've been talking a lot about EMP, right?

00:50:17.080 One of the things that's interesting is we have, we pride ourselves being protected with

00:50:21.740 two, two oceans on either side of our country.

00:50:24.300 And that has been awesome all the way up until the Chinese have stolen our EMP technology. 1.00

00:50:30.020 Um, you know, they could deploy them onto balloons, uh, but where they have confirmed,

00:50:37.340 where we've confirmed where they've deployed them is on submarines, right?

00:50:41.540 And so if you were to take a, you know, one of these EMP loaded submarines, put one on

00:50:49.240 the West coast, put one on the East coast, and then they fire it off.

00:50:53.960 Um, that's all you really need, right?

00:50:55.940 If I take out the West coast and the East coast, uh, with EMP, um, that's enough to basically

00:51:04.620 bring us to a full stop here in the United States, right?

00:51:09.280 Um, and then let us fight for ourselves, which then turns into a civil war, right?

00:51:16.860 So there's a lot of ways that they could cause us to just fight ourselves if they wanted to.

00:51:23.420 And that's the, I think that's the more important, scarier side of the reality of somebody like

00:51:29.640 China who has stolen all of our technology and deployed it onto the very things that 1.00

00:51:34.960 take advantage of what we're proud of.

00:51:36.760 And that is two oceans on either side.

00:51:39.560 Right.

00:51:40.460 That's a, that's actually a really scary proposition.

00:51:44.120 Like I never had considered that before.

00:51:46.320 Just create enough civil unrest through, I mean, think about how upset you get when Instagram

00:51:51.360 is down for an hour, you know, create enough civil unrest where we don't have electricity

00:51:55.940 and we don't have power.

00:51:57.660 We don't have internet.

00:51:58.500 We don't have cell phone service that we just begin to eat ourselves.

00:52:02.240 For sure.

00:52:02.740 You would, if you took just the major cities on our coastlines down, then it would create

00:52:09.380 a civil war.

00:52:11.060 It's, I mean, and that's why this book I think is so important for people to understand that

00:52:16.240 you've got to have skills to defend yourself and odds of us, you know, getting so bad to

00:52:27.140 where we are at each other's throats, um, I think is slender to none.

00:52:31.960 I think we can be grown up enough to go, all right, let's not do this.

00:52:36.380 But could our, one of our foreign adversaries put us in a position where we now have to fend 0.99

00:52:42.460 for ourselves, most certainly that's how they would do it.

00:52:47.620 That's interesting.

00:52:48.800 What's your take on, uh, illegal immigration?

00:52:51.760 And I mean, the fact that I even have to ask what your take, I mean, everybody should, everybody

00:52:57.160 in America should be revolt against it.

00:52:59.600 Of course.

00:53:00.260 Yes. 0.51

00:53:00.560 It's ridiculous that we don't.

00:53:02.280 But when I say, what's your take, what I'm asking more specifically is what is the threat

00:53:07.200 there that we should be aware of?

00:53:09.400 Um, you know, you guys know, I've a history of covert operations.

00:53:13.600 And so I've seen how creative we are.

00:53:16.920 All right.

00:53:18.000 And there is no doubt in my mind that, you know, China specifically has put hundreds of

00:53:23.620 people in this country that could, uh, be called to duty one day through clandestine

00:53:29.580 communication and to follow through with whatever their mission is.

00:53:34.400 Their mission could be national infrastructure, right?

00:53:36.860 Dams, power grid, whatever it is, where you need boots on the ground to a hundred percent

00:53:41.960 affect us.

00:53:43.340 Do I think it's possible for the Chinese to have done that through illegal border crossings,

00:53:48.740 um, into the United States?

00:53:51.300 A hundred percent.

00:53:53.240 Uh, do I, do I think highly funded, um, terrorist organizations that we've stopped looking at

00:54:00.780 because we get distracted, the intelligence communities always get distracted, um, you

00:54:07.980 know, where if it, whether it's Ukraine or whatever else is going in the world, okay,

00:54:11.560 let's focus all on that.

00:54:12.960 Okay.

00:54:13.240 Now that leaves that big gap, right?

00:54:15.440 So that terrorism can grow again.

00:54:17.560 Do I think they're smart enough to put their guys, you know, start them down in South America,

00:54:23.960 make them, make them do the long walk, blend in with the rest and infill into our country.

00:54:32.340 Sure.

00:54:32.640 I think it's all possible.

00:54:34.100 And I think there's probably aspects of that that's already happened and we're kind of too

00:54:38.080 late.

00:54:38.360 Um, I think Trump had the right idea with a wall.

00:54:43.380 We all support it here in Texas.

00:54:45.420 There's not one Texan that's going to tell you that, oh, I don't want a wall.

00:54:49.080 Yeah, we want a wall, you know, like it's insane not to, it's our border.

00:54:54.780 And I think people have forgotten what the definition of a country's border is and they

00:54:59.520 like to blur it and, you know, and find all these reasons, these humanitarian reasons

00:55:04.780 to let it happen, which I get like, oh yeah, they're, you know, they're looking for asylum

00:55:11.300 because, you know, they're being raped and tortured in their country. 0.92

00:55:14.220 It's great.

00:55:15.160 Stand in line and do it the right way, you know, which will be at the gates on our wall.

00:55:21.080 Right.

00:55:22.560 Right.

00:55:23.300 Yeah.

00:55:23.520 Right.

00:55:23.680 I think a majority of this stuff is a little too late.

00:55:26.120 And that's once again, the book, you know, surviving invasion, civil war, North War

00:55:30.400 III, the invasion has already begun.

00:55:32.100 You know, a clandestine invasion is very real.

00:55:35.680 Well, I, you know, I'm glad you're talking about it in this way because there's not a

00:55:39.600 lot that you and I as an American citizen can do about closing down the border, for example,

00:55:45.460 but there is a lot that we can do to address it.

00:55:48.260 I spent some time on a hunt with my girlfriend earlier this year in Del Rio, just outside of

00:55:53.820 Del Rio, Texas.

00:55:54.680 And it is a very real thing.

00:55:57.380 In fact, her and I had an encounter with police officers and what I assume are illegal

00:56:02.860 immigrants.

00:56:03.840 I talked with another guy that says, if you ever see anybody in Del Rio with, I think

00:56:07.720 it's a yellow folder, if I remember correctly, it means they just got their paperwork.

00:56:11.580 They were just released in the United States and they've got a visa prepaid visa card with

00:56:16.040 $1,400 on it, courtesy of the U S taxpayer.

00:56:19.760 It's unreal.

00:56:20.820 It's insane.

00:56:21.740 It's infuriating.

00:56:22.860 Yeah, I'm with you, man.

00:56:24.480 I am, I am a supporter of like, number one, bulldozing the IRS.

00:56:31.360 And, or, you know, like we all have these moments.

00:56:34.300 If I was president for the day, I would take the IRS.

00:56:38.360 I would say, Hey, IRS, your new job now is to audit the United States government.

00:56:43.340 Right.

00:56:43.900 I want you to audit all the senators, the congressmen.

00:56:47.220 I want you to audit every single government contract in Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin,

00:56:52.000 Kellogg Brown, or it's like, I think we would save billions if we just had them auditing

00:56:58.560 the United States government for the next 10 years and leave the U S citizen alone.

00:57:03.560 Leave us alone.

00:57:04.380 I want to keep the money I've made and I sure as hell don't want to share it with illegal 1.00

00:57:10.980 aliens.

00:57:11.580 Um, and with that, I like to know where my money goes.

00:57:15.120 I mean, I'm surprised at this point when it's time to pay your taxes, I don't get a

00:57:18.920 little scantron and number two pencil that breaks out all of the different silos of where

00:57:23.940 I want my money to go.

00:57:25.380 I would feel a lot better if I could bubble in defense, I'm going to bubble in border.

00:57:29.800 I'm going to bubble in, you know, anything that I want my money to go towards, I should

00:57:35.060 have that choice.

00:57:36.000 I would love it if there was a president that did that said, you know what, we're still

00:57:39.960 going to collect taxes, but at least you get to choose where your money goes.

00:57:43.180 And even if they didn't follow it, man, it'd kind of feel good when I write that check every

00:57:47.280 year that, okay, here's my check and here's my scantron.

00:57:51.240 I've bubbled everything.

00:57:52.280 I want my money to go towards, right?

00:57:54.360 We should have a choice, but we don't.

00:57:56.620 And, uh, that's irritating.

00:57:58.100 And once again, it goes back, where's the democracy in that?

00:58:01.120 We are the majority, but yet I don't get a choice in whether or not an illegal alien gets 1.00

00:58:06.340 $1,400.

00:58:07.860 It's insane.

00:58:08.620 Right.

00:58:09.820 Well, and I mean, to your point about the president, I would love a president who did

00:58:13.440 that.

00:58:13.740 It's not really up to him.

00:58:14.900 I think a lot of people just assume he has so much control.

00:58:18.000 I mean, we're, we're talking about our elected officials.

00:58:20.080 Some of, some of them are your brothers in arms.

00:58:21.860 You know, one that comes to mind in Texas is Dan Crenshaw.

00:58:24.420 Yeah.

00:58:25.320 Yeah, I know.

00:58:26.260 You know, we, we need, we need to bring people in to represent us.

00:58:33.000 This is not a conversation about whether anybody agrees with Dan Crenshaw or not on his policies.

00:58:37.820 This is a, an issue of understanding.

00:58:41.060 Those are the level that the levels at which these decisions are being made.

00:58:44.640 Yeah, for sure.

00:58:45.100 And so we need to vote not only for our presidency, but our state representatives so that they can

00:58:51.120 actually represent us in a correct and powerful way.

00:58:53.740 Yeah, no, totally agree.

00:58:55.220 It all starts kind of at the bottom and works its way up.

00:58:58.000 But at the end of the day, you know, leadership, I wish would just take more of our thoughts

00:59:05.680 and desires into consideration as it relates to the money that we give to them.

00:59:12.520 You know, it's, it's not a lot to ask.

00:59:15.100 It really isn't.

00:59:15.780 I don't think there's one person in this country that supports their money being given to non-U.S.

00:59:19.920 citizens.

00:59:21.000 I just, I can't, I don't even understand why you would want that.

00:59:24.020 It doesn't make sense.

00:59:25.600 Well, I think, I think some people do, but that's a level of ignorance because they,

00:59:30.180 they just believe it's not their money or something.

00:59:32.820 You know, you have a lot of these bleeding hearts who believe like, oh, we don't want

00:59:35.900 these people to suffer.

00:59:36.740 And I don't want people to suffer either, but I'm not willing to trade that at our own

00:59:41.520 expenses as citizens of this country.

00:59:44.180 But a lot of people don't even know like, oh, that's actually your money.

00:59:49.140 Like all the money, like when you get paid a thousand dollars and you see on your paycheck

00:59:53.520 that you only get 800 of it, 150 of that is going to something you probably don't agree

00:59:59.300 with.

00:59:59.960 Without a doubt.

01:00:00.920 Yeah.

01:00:01.240 And it's unfortunate.

01:00:02.620 That's when I wish I'd had a little scantron on my number two pencil.

01:00:06.700 No doubt.

01:00:07.300 It would make me feel, it'd make me feel really good about it.

01:00:10.480 Whether it happened or not to your point earlier.

01:00:15.040 Yeah.

01:00:15.780 I love having these conversations with you.

01:00:18.260 It is, it is, it kind of reminds me of the bread and circuses, right?

01:00:22.520 Just entertain them, make them think that we have their best interest at heart when the

01:00:26.940 reality is they do not.

01:00:28.620 But I think the point of, of this conversation and the point of the book also is that although

01:00:33.900 there's not a whole lot you can do, uh, on, on a, on a macro U S economic or policy or

01:00:41.040 even foreign policy front, there is a lot that you can do personally to take care of

01:00:45.680 yourself and take care of the people that you have a responsibility for your wife, your

01:00:50.060 kids, your neighbors, colleagues, coworkers, et cetera.

01:00:52.480 That's right.

01:00:53.020 Clint, tell the guys where to connect with you and learn more about what you're up to

01:00:55.680 and obviously pick up a copy of the book.

01:00:57.600 Yeah.

01:00:57.940 First.

01:00:58.340 Thanks.

01:00:58.860 It's good catching up with you, buddy.

01:01:00.360 It's always a good conversation.

01:01:01.680 Always.

01:01:02.000 And yeah, you can, you can see everything I got going on at clintemerson.com.

01:01:06.840 Super easy.

01:01:08.340 Sweet.

01:01:08.820 We will sync it.

01:01:09.520 That's the quickest.

01:01:10.120 Like I was, I was expecting you to say more, but Hey, it's all there.

01:01:14.400 So just go there.

01:01:15.300 Yeah, that's easy, man.

01:01:16.780 I can sit here and list out stuff, but just go to clintemerson.com.

01:01:21.660 Right on.

01:01:22.360 We'll sync it all up.

01:01:23.300 We'll let the guys know where to go.

01:01:24.500 I appreciate your, uh, your, your commentary on what happened over the weekend.

01:01:29.660 And of course, all of your information and books, I actually go through this stuff with

01:01:33.680 my kids.

01:01:34.240 My kids and I have a good time going through this stuff, whether it's shooting or camping

01:01:38.400 and setting up shelters or food storage or evacuation plans in our house.

01:01:43.160 We always go through these things and love looking at it.

01:01:46.440 Love seeing what we can implement.

01:01:47.580 We have a good time with it.

01:01:48.400 So brother, I appreciate you.

01:01:50.320 Well, good to hear.

01:01:51.040 And yeah, thank you.

01:01:51.920 And you guys, uh, yeah, have a great week.

01:01:56.280 Man, Mr. Clint Emerson, I hope you enjoyed that one.

01:01:58.940 Obviously this was very timely on the heels of the assassination attempt on former president

01:02:03.820 Donald Trump.

01:02:04.820 We have a very dangerous society in which we live.

01:02:09.080 I remember years and years ago, I had, uh, a gentleman on the podcast by the name of Lieutenant

01:02:14.580 Colonel Dave Grossman, and he talked about the dangers of current society and how it's

01:02:18.760 going to continue to get worse.

01:02:19.840 And I had a lot of people scoff and balk at the idea that we were living in dangerous times.

01:02:24.340 Well, here we are six, seven years later, and it's clear that, uh, things are very dangerous.

01:02:30.540 We live in a great time, but we also live in a very dangerous time and it's something

01:02:33.720 we need to be aware of.

01:02:34.700 So I would highly encourage you to pick up a copy of Clint Emerson's Navy SEALs guide to

01:02:39.760 surviving invasions, civil war, and world war three.

01:02:43.580 Do that by yourself.

01:02:44.840 Do that with your kids.

01:02:45.680 Do that with your wife. 0.55

01:02:46.800 Do that with friends that you're working with.

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