CODY JINKS ｜ I'm Not the Devil
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Cody Jinx is a country music artist and singer-songwriter. In this episode, we talk about where his style comes from, bucking the trends of pop culture, his transition back to work in the wake of the COVID response, what it's like to play and perform in front of thousands, overcoming nervousness, and striking the balance between inspiration and responsibility.
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Most of you guys know that I don't listen to a ton of music, but if there is one music artist,
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you'll catch me listening to more than anyone else. It's my guest today, Cody Jinx. He's got
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such an interesting style, but more than that, he's a fascinating man. And it was an honor to
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have the chance to talk with him. Today, we talk about where his style comes from,
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bucking the trends of pop culture, his transition back to work in the wake of the COVID response,
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what it's like to play and perform in front of thousands, overcoming nervousness,
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and striking the balance between inspiration and responsibility.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly
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chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You
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are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is
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who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Nickler,
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and I am the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. Welcome here and
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welcome back. We are reclaiming and restoring what it means to be a man and masculinity in general.
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To that end, we have these conversations with incredible guests like my guest today, Cody Jinx.
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Uh, we've also had Steve Rinella, Andy Frisilla, Tim Kennedy, Dakota Meyer, uh, Jocko. I mean,
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the David Goggins, the, the lineup of men that have joined us is, is incredible and, uh, very
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inspiring hopefully for you guys, because that's the point to give you a message of inspiration.
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And also, uh, that of tactics, things that you can apply in your life to improve yourself as a
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father and a husband and a leader in your home and in your community and in your business as well.
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So, uh, we've got, like I said, a great one lined up with Mr. Cody Jinx today. Uh, before I get into
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for now, guys, let me introduce you to my guest. He is country music artist, Cody Jinx. Uh, many of
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you know his country sound and style, but you may not know that he actually started his music career
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in heavy metal. Uh, but after the breakup, uh, with his band and some other bad experiences with
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management, he eventually ventured out on his own. Uh, and he's become extremely, extremely successful
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as one of the biggest independent country music music, not mudic country music artists, uh, on the
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planet. Now, Cody likes to do his own way, which you're going to hear in his music, of course,
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and is a big reason why he decided to strike it out on his own. But you'll also hear that in our
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conversation as he shares his perspective on life and where his inspiration comes from. He also talks
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about his coffin bookshelves behind him in his, uh, in this conversation. You'll see that if you're
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listening or watching on YouTube. Uh, but Cody's a fascinating man and it was a real privilege to be
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able to talk with him. Enjoy guys. Mr. Cody Jinx. What's up, brother? Good to connect with you. I,
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I, it's actually like, it's a real honor. It's a real treat for me to be on the podcast with you.
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I listen to your music every single day. No joke. Well, thank you. Thank you very much,
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man. I appreciate it. Thank you for, uh, for the time. Thank you for having me looking forward to
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it. Yeah, man. I was going to tell you, uh, that my son and I, so my son, my oldest son,
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he's 13, just turned 13. Uh, him and I do our own, uh, order fulfillment for our store. And so every
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morning we spend anywhere from 45 minutes to a couple of hours, uh, processing orders. And we just
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say, Hey, Alexa play Cody Jinx songs. And it just randomizes your songs and we just jam out and we
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just have a good time filling orders and talking. And, uh, man, he was pretty excited that I'd be
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able to have this conversation with you too. Well, I, I appreciate that. And I'm glad you guys are,
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are digging on the music, but what's cooler than that, I think is that, um, you've got your, uh,
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you've got your son helping with the biz, man. That's, that's pretty good. That's good.
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That's, that's good, uh, life skills and knowledge and things that will, uh, he will definitely be
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served, um, you know, later on, you know, I hope so. That's the goal is, you know, we, we,
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we had this merchandise company running the orders for us years for years. And it just, it, it was
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fine. You know, they didn't do a great job, but the fact that I get to bring it in house and spend
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time with my kid and teach them about inventory and orders and growing a brand and growing a business
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and spending time together, man, just is, is pretty valuable and powerful for us.
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That's fantastic. They, you know, it's, we probably are similar in years. My daughter is
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about to turn 12, you know, so I've, I've got kind of the same age demographic going on here, but, uh,
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yeah, it's those lessons that they learn now. Those are, those are the ones that, uh, they're,
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How involved is your daughter in your, in your career? Is it, do you bring her on tour? I know,
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I know that's probably been pretty limited with, with COVID and everything, but what,
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You know, she, my daughter and my son are, as they tend to be completely different animals. Um,
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I wouldn't pick them up from school one day in the tour bus. Cause I had just come off a tour.
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I thought that they would think it was so cool. They walk outside my daughter. My daughter's
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mortified and my son thinks my son thinks it's the coolest thing ever. So no, my daughter doesn't
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like being on the, my wife and my daughter don't like being on the bus. They can't sleep on the
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bus. Uh, my son is a road dog kind of like I am, but, um, they're both involved. Um, I've used
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them both as, uh, as, uh, inspiration for songs. I have, uh, several songs that, you know, came
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straight out of the mouth of my daughter and, and, uh, my son alike. Um, they, they both are playing
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instruments now on their own accord. We don't, you know, my wife and I are very, you know, kind of,
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Hey man, find your thing, whatever you want to do, you know? Um, but she's playing piano and, uh,
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he's playing, uh, he's playing guitar and drums. And so we're having a lot of fun with that. I just
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had to go tell, cause they love to play and, and, and they play all the time and you never know
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whenever you're going to hear a drum solo or, or something going on the piano. Right. You know,
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there's always music going on here, but, uh, they love it. It's a lot of fun. And, and, you know,
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she doesn't really like the road. My boy loves the road, but I use them as influences and, uh,
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lots of music, man. It's so much fun. How do you balance the desire? Cause I know you're a family
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man. You want to be with your kids and you want to be with your wife, but how do you,
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how do you balance the desire to be with them? But then also as things begin to pick up,
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and I know they will, uh, of, of you being on the road, traveling, uh, pursuing your own interests,
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what is the balance like for you? Um, I've learned a lot over the last year. Um, you know, I just,
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I turned 40, uh, this past August, I've been on the road full time for 15 years. Um, so,
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you know, my kids don't know any different, you know, I've been on the, you know, my, my, my wife
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and I've been together for a long, long time. And, and, uh, it's just, it's just what it is, you know,
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um, the balance, I didn't have much of a balance for a long time. It was very difficult,
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um, because we had to work all the time, all the time, all the time. You know,
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there was a time, you know, we were on the road nine or 10 months a year, 11 months a year,
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sometimes. And that's, that's been cut back a lot. And not just because of this last year,
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us being off, but, um, we're husbands and fathers now. And, uh, you know, it's, it's so,
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uh, trying to maintain a balance was almost forced upon us this last, these last 13 months,
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we haven't played in 13 months. I, you know, I go back to work, um, in a week and a half,
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you know, thankfully, but, um, you know, I, it's been a very reflective time, man. I've,
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I've, I've learned to balance. I think I've learned, I've started learning how, you know,
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I guess because it's like, we, we worked, worked, worked, worked, worked, worked, work. And we're
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the guys in the band, you know, we're all, you know, uh, early thirties to early fifties. So
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we're, you know, we've got a lot going, you know, kids with guys with small kids and guys with grown
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kids and, you know, um, but none of us had ever taken a break. Right. And, uh, and now I think that
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when I do go back, um, I'll, I'll, I'll appreciate the time off more because I used to be at three or
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four weeks on three or four weeks or two to three weeks off. Get me back out on the road. If I'm
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home longer than three weeks, I'm driving everybody nuts. They're like, dad, get, you gotta go, man.
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You gotta get out of here. So now being home for 13 months, you know, my perspective about,
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about a bunch of things has changed. And, and, um, I don't know, in a weird way at 40,
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I finally kind of starting to feel like I'm growing up a little bit, man. That's,
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that's interesting. You say that. Cause I actually turned 40 this weekend.
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Oh, happy birthday. Yeah. Thank you, brother. Yeah. I was thinking about it. I'm like,
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I actually feel pretty good. You know, I never thought I would be this old.
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I didn't either. Yeah. But then I was like, damn, I feel, I actually feel pretty good.
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Like I feel pretty good where I'm at with my, my family. I feel pretty good with where I'm at with
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my career choice, my profession, what I'm trying to do, what I'm trying to accomplish, who, who I am.
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And, and, you know, as, as I listened to you, you know, I think it'd be easy for you to like,
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to fit in, right. And to be tempted to fit in, especially with the country music world,
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to, to hit your wagon to, to the pop culture and in the way country music is gone. And yet I see you
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as somebody who is, uh, doing things a little different, which I can certainly appreciate.
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You know, you said, you know, uh, hitting 40 and being comfortable, you know, with, with this and
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that, but you said, you know, with, with who I am and, uh, you know, that's, that's always been
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important because more, more so this last year, I've been forced to figure out who I am,
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you know, I mean, a performer with this, you know, and lots of performers out there, not just me,
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but, you know, they literally had your stage taken away from you and you don't know what to do.
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And you're like Ricky Bobby and you don't know what to do with your hands. And, you know, it's,
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it's, it's, it's, you know, I've been, you know, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, you know, who,
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you know, really, who am I? And, uh, and it's like, it's like, man, you know,
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I kind of just feel like I started, you know, realizing, you know, who I am and, and, you know,
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I don't know, man. It's, I don't know. It's not like a midlife crisis or anything, but,
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you know, I felt like when I, when I was about 26, 27, I started pulling my head out of my ass
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and like at 40, I think I'm a little further out, you know, not completely, but a little further,
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a little further out. And, you know, like you said, you know, being in a good place with your,
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you know, with your kids and with your marriage and, and, uh, you know, going through those rough
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spots, uh, I think makes you appreciate, um, you know, the good times even more, you know, and, and,
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and coming up for air has been a good thing. I get long-winded and I go off on tangents. So I'm,
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you know, it's, that's what I want to hear, man. You know what? Well, and it's,
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it's good because that's the power of this podcast. And that's the power of what you're
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doing too, with your podcast is we get to have real conversations. You know, we get these 40
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characters on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook or whatever. And, uh, we make these clever little
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comments and these clever little social media posts. And yet there's so much nuance to what
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we're doing and the struggles that we deal with. And, you know, the fact that you've been out of,
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out of work, I guess, essentially, maybe, I don't know if you'd say it that way for 13 months,
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but it's a weird thing, man. There's so much nuance to it.
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Yeah. It's strange, you know, and, and, and we joke, you know, cause I mean my band and,
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you know, we've been fortunate, man, my, my band and crew, nobody's, you know, uh, nobody's hurting,
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even though we have, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, have, you know, not had it
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as, as, as easy as we have. Um, you know, very, very blessed, very fortunate for that, but
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you know, it's, uh, yeah, I don't know, man. It's, it's, uh, it's a crazy deal.
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Yeah. Yeah. What's it, uh, what, what, what's it like now that you're, you're, you're coming out of
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this, this last 13 months of months of hiatus and, and you, you sound like you've enjoyed it.
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You know, I hear you and you're like, it's been nice. I've been with my family and maybe they're
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getting a little sick of me, but I took this break and like, are, are there some trepidations
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about what you're going to get yourself back into now? And, and how has that changed for you over
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the past year? Uh, you know, like I said, I've never had anywhere near this amount of time off.
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So I'm, I'm pretty nervous about going back. Quite honestly, I actually did it. I did a surprise
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kind of show last night, um, with some friends of mine, Jason, Edie and Courtney Patton.
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And, and it's the first time I had played, um, in front of people in a long time. And I was very
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nervous. Uh, and it was an acoustic deal, you know, and, and we're going back out to, um,
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Lubbock on the 16th, uh, of April and, uh, you know, just doing an acoustic show in front of like
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4,500 people at this amphitheater. And it's, I kind of feel like, man, they're just getting thrown
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back to the wolves. It's like, I'm rusty. Yeah. You know, so, uh, you know, I'm, I'm,
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I've been practicing at home, which is something I've never done, which is cause I don't like to
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take time off. I don't like to, to be off, uh, long enough to where, when we get back together,
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we have to rehearse, you know, I mean, everybody, my band and crew, right. My band and crew, they all
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live all over the United States. And, and so getting together for rehearsal means that like,
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we have to get, you know, leave our family, you know, a week before tour even starts to
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get warmed back up and get polished up and greasy again, you know? So, um, I have enjoyed it in a
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lot of ways. How long does that typically take for you guys to like, I mean, you've been, you've been
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together for so long. What'd you say? 15 years or so? Yeah. I mean, like, well, you know, it, it varies.
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I've got, um, my longest tenured guy, I think is on his 14th year, 15th year. Yeah. And then, uh,
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my newest guy is I think been with me for four, you know? So, I mean, right. I mean,
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that's a pretty, that's a pretty, even still four years, man, of, of, of working together,
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running shows together, working together, be, be, be in there. That's a long time, man.
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Yeah. But, you know, and like you said, you know, it takes us a few days, you know, yes. You know,
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how long does it take to get, to get kind of back together? It takes a few days. You know, we need,
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we need really two really hard practices, maybe three, um, where you literally go over the set
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like twice. So it's, you know, it ends up being like four hours worth of playing, but, you know,
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it's like anything else, man. I, you know, I feel like, um, I kind of equate it to this, you know,
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it's like, uh, being a fighter that's out of shape and, uh, finding out you, you know, you have a,
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you have a fight coming up and, you know, you have, you have to get back to the gym and start working
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out, you know? So for us, that's, that's mental, that's hands and memory and all that kind of
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stuff. Do you feel like if you didn't have that, I know I certainly would, if I didn't have some sort
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of, uh, accountability, I don't know if that's how you'd look at it, but if I've got 4,500 people
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to listen to me and want to be entertained by me, I would, I would consider that a bit of
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accountability. Do you feel like that's what keeps you on track or is there something else?
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No, absolutely. That's a huge responsibility. That's right. Yeah, for sure. They're paying to be
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there. They want to see you, they want to be entertained. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. You know,
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that's, that's, that's the name of the game. You have to, um, when you go to a show, it's the same
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thing for me. You know, when I go to a show, I want to see a good show. You know, I, I want,
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I want to know that that person, that band or, you know, whomever is like really trying to,
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you know, I mean, they're, they're getting everything they've got, you know, and that's,
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that's important. And as somebody that, that does it for a living, you know, um, I take it very
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seriously. It's, it's a, it's a big deal to me. I, I, you know, I would hate for anybody to leave
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going, man, that like, what was that? Right. Right. Uh, I'm not, I'm not going to lie to you,
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man. I, you know, I've had, I've had bad shows. I imagine. Yeah. You know, I mean,
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we've all had bad shows. I've, I've been up there and just been like, guys, I just totally forgot
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the words to that song. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So you've actually said that on stage. Hey,
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I forgot the words of this song. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's
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good though. I think that's, I think actually people are craving that they're like, finally,
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somebody who's real, you know, finally somebody says he messes up and then he just owns it.
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Then he laughs at it and just keeps on doing his thing. Yeah. Man. Um, one of my favorites of all
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time is, is Randy Travis. And, and over the, over the years, uh, last few years, um, got to know him
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and his, his wife, Mary, and they're great and they're wonderful. And, um, they're telling me a
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story about, you know, Randy was, I forgot what song it was, but he said like two nights in a row,
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he forgot the same damn song, you know, and he got to the same point in both because you start to
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like, kind of screw with yourself in your mind, you know, and when you're up there and you're
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sitting there having a conversation with yourself and trying to sing a song at the same time, it's
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really weird. You get in your own head and like, you'll just kind of find this, this place where
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like, like, why am I messing this up at the same point every time, you know, it's weird.
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Why, why does that happen? Is it all just jumbled together or what?
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I, I don't know. I think that, you know, I don't know. It's, it, we're all kind of
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neurotic and the best thing to do is just forget about what you're doing and just do it.
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Yeah. You know, if you're thinking you're stinking, you know, that's kind of like, just,
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just do what you do, you know, quit overthinking stuff.
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Music doesn't seem to be as much, like you said, a thinking thing, more of a feeling thing. Would you
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Yes. And that's, what's hard about the music business is that, you know, by nature, musicians
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or artists in general, aren't good business people. So when you, you know, putting art and business
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together, it's, it's, it's a strange, it's a strange thing. You know, it's you have to have the
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business part of it, but it's really weird, man. Do you, do you deal with that side of things or do
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you have somebody else manage that for you? Or what, what does that look like for you personally?
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Um, you know, I'm really fortunate, man. I, I, I have a great, uh, management team, um, agents,
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you know, I have been very fortunate to have, um, ended up being surrounded by the people I'm
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surrounded with, you know? So it's definitely a team effort. Um, but you know, trying to find the
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balance is, is all that we're trying to do, man, you know, trying to, trying to be as, as good as
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I'm glad you brought up a Randy Travis. I think it was my oldest boy. Cause we listen to music
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together while we're, while we're in the store, like I told you earlier. And I think he had said
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something about Carrie Underwood or had brought up her song or something. I told you so. Right.
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And he's like, let's do this song. And so I listened to it. I didn't say anything. I listened
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to it. And he's like, isn't that amazing? Like, hell yeah, that's amazing. Let me show you the real
00:21:23.980
version and, and let him listen to Randy Travis sing that song. And I'm telling you, man, that,
00:21:30.780
that is such an incredible song. And he is such an incredible vocalist and musician and artist.
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And he heard that he's like, yeah, that's, that's really good. Dad. That's really good.
00:21:42.120
Yeah. Randy's, um, gosh, uh, one of the greatest we've ever had. No doubt. And, um,
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you know, I was fortunate enough. I've been doing the, these, um, Monday night shows called the
00:21:57.360
sequester today. Is today Monday? Uh, yeah. Monday. Uh, yeah. Monday. It all runs together
00:22:03.940
for me too, man. Like you're asking the wrong person what day it is. Yeah, I know. Oh my gosh.
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Yeah. So anyway, I don't know when this is going to air, but I, man, I just kind of lost where I was
00:22:12.760
at. I was like, cause it's not, I'm doing one of them, but, uh, sequester songwriters night.
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And we pick a different artist every week. And, um, and on Randy Travis night, I went to Randy's house
00:22:22.600
to do it. And so I'm sitting there in this room with all his, uh, ACMs and CMAs and all those
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Grammys, you know, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, singing a song that he wrote and he's
00:22:33.520
sitting, you know, I don't know how you wrote it, but that he did, you know, and, um, sitting there
00:22:39.900
thinking, man, don't screw this up. Don't screw this up. It's good. You know, that was, that's pretty
00:22:45.540
special. Did that, uh, did that, that attitude of like, Hey, don't screw this up. Did that get in
00:22:50.440
your head? Did that mess with you? And how do you get that out of your head? Uh, man, that's what
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I said. Stop thinking, you know, just, just do it, you know, and it's easier said than done. Cause
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you're, it's very easy to get in your own head up there. Cause when you keep telling yourself, you
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know, you know, enjoy it, have fun, enjoy it, have fun. Are you having fun if you're having to tell
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yourself, or are you just going out there and doing what comes natural? You know, have you felt like
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that? Have you felt like there's points in your career where, you know, this, this, this
00:23:21.180
isn't fun. Yeah. Yeah. I listened to, uh, for example, you know, here's it. Here's what's
00:23:25.980
interesting. I listened to a lot of people and, and musicians that is artists. And I, and
00:23:31.260
I think, okay, well, you know, this is an individual who actually believes what he's saying right
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now, what he's singing, the lyrics that he's using. And then, and I hear others. I'm like,
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well, they actually don't have any frame of reference for that. They don't know what they're
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talking about or they're, they're, they're telling a story that they're not intimate
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with or not familiar with. But I, I listened to songs like, you know, hippies and the cowboys,
00:23:50.460
for example. And I think, I actually think when I hear you say those words, I'm like,
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that's actually legitimate. Like that actually sounds like he really believes that the, the,
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the words he's saying is singing are, are, are an accurate reflection of his, of his life.
00:24:08.680
And has there been times in your life where you felt like, Hey, I am chasing the notoriety or the
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fame or no, I'm really doing this for the people that I care about or for me just because I enjoy
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doing it. Um, that's a great question. Um, like I said, you know, the music and the business part,
00:24:32.180
I, you get into it just cause you love doing it and you love entertaining people and you,
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and you love seeing the faces and the reactions. Um, but yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been burned
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out just, um, I would have never wished for this pandemic and all the, all that's been going on to
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happen, but you know, having, having the forced time off, you know, I've, I've missed playing, but
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you know, having some of the time off has been really good. Um, when you know, you miss something
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like, okay, like Ozzy Osbourne, you know, he retired the first time and, and, uh, came back
00:25:13.080
with his retirement sucks to her because, you know, I read this article, he said something along the
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lines, this isn't verbatim, but something along the lines of, I realized that I wasn't done. Like
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basically he wasn't done being nervous before he performed. So he knew he wasn't done yet.
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Um, I think when that nervousness goes away, um, I think that, I don't know, for me that I think
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that that's, that's when it'll be over, you know, it sounds to me like, well, I've always thought
00:25:43.780
this, if I'm not nervous about something, including this conversation with you, do I really care about
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it? You know, like, does it really matter? Like if I'm not nervous about it, is it really worth having
00:25:54.840
the conversation? Yeah, man, there's a guy up in Alaska I played with, uh, a couple of years ago,
00:26:03.160
uh, years ago named Ken Peltier. And he's a singer songwriter up there. And, and, uh, a good songwriter
00:26:10.020
buddy of mine named Kendall Marvel, uh, invited me up there to go fishing for a couple of days. And,
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uh, anyway, ended up meeting, uh, Ken up there and, um,
00:26:24.840
we were talking shop, you know, just kind of one of those guys you hit it off with. And
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we were talking about playing and, and, and performing and, and just,
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you know, having a real conversation. And he was telling me about this, uh, this,
00:26:41.860
this book about Bruce Lee, he was reading and basically he had this, you know, saying,
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you know, nervousness is a sign of preparedness. Now that's not from my mouth. That's, you know,
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from somebody else. But I was like, well, that sounds like something Bruce Lee would say. I don't
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know. I guess it is, you know, I mean, if you're, if you're nervous about something, I guess you're
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doing something right. I almost wonder if you're not nervous about it. You either, it represents a,
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a level of, of, I don't care about this, uh, or dilution, maybe even like if, if you're not
00:27:21.160
nervous about it, you don't realize the stakes of what you're playing. If you're not nervous about
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performing in front of 4,500 people, and I'm sure that's on the low end of the people you perform for,
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then, you know, like what, what in the hell would you be doing this for, you know, or,
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or do you not realize that these people want to be here with you and, and, and, and celebrate with
00:27:42.500
you and have fun with you and experience this. And so, man, I love those nerves. I think that's
00:27:47.340
a good thing as much as sometimes we wish we didn't have them. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Right. I, I think
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that too, you know, I've, I've been so nervous before a show that I've thrown up, you know, it's,
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it's have you really? Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, I don't know. It nerves,
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it's like, yes, man, that's, you know, that's a good, uh, it's a good thing. Let's, you know,
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you still, you know, you still feel why do you, so why do you do it? All right. Let's say, let's
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you're, you're, you're, you're about to perform. You're ready to go up in front of thousands of
00:28:19.900
people. You're puking your guts out. You're nervous about it. That's not a comfortable feeling,
00:28:25.780
right? Like that's not comfortable, which is what everybody wants. I always want to be comfortable.
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So why do it? What compels you to do it when you could just be comfortable?
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Um, it's still a rush. It's still a, it's a drug. It's like, what was it? Eleanor Roosevelt
00:28:47.240
that said, uh, do one thing a day that scares you or something. It's, I may, I may have my
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who knows. Yeah. Right. But you know, not verbatim, but, um,
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the, one of the best highs I can have, I've ever had in my life is walking off the stage
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after I know we just went out and just crushed it. You know, the, the, the, you know, the time
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on stage when you know, you know, everything's clicking, you know, that's great, man. And I love
00:29:27.280
that feeling and that, and that's a, that's a high in and of itself, but walking off the
00:29:33.340
stage and like everybody in the band is just like, like five and, you know, fist bumping
00:29:41.120
like, dude, like we just freaking killed it tonight. That's, uh, that's why that's why I keep
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doing it. What makes a, uh, cause we've been talking about good performance and we've also
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been talking about things where you, you felt like, you know, you haven't performed to the
00:30:00.980
way that you wanted to. What, what, how would you define a good performance? Is it something
00:30:04.700
that's tangible? It's something that you can define or replicate, or is it just something
00:30:08.780
that you feel like, what does that look like for you? Um, it's, it's a lot of feel and a lot
00:30:16.500
of times the room has to do with that. You know, there's rooms that I love playing that
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every time we've seemed to play there, we just have a great time. Uh, cities are different.
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You know, I have favorite cities to play. Like a lot of times the stars align, you know,
00:30:29.220
there's, there's, there's, there's towns that I don't really care to play, um, for one reason
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or another. And I'm not going to dog anybody, you know, but there's, there's towns that,
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you know, I love to play that. Um, you know, it's, it's just a feel it's, it's all feel,
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man. It's, uh, you know, from the, from the way the crowd is responding to the, you know,
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the way the room sounds to the way the band's feeling to, you know, a lot of variables,
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but you know, when the stars align, man, it's, it's magic. Yeah. What are there some towns
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that you can think of right off hand? You're like, man, I love playing this city.
00:31:07.660
You know, I have, you know, you have the obvious ones that, you know, that are just really cool
00:31:15.720
towns. Like, you know, Seattle's awesome. Um, you know, uh, San Francisco's great, you know,
00:31:26.420
love Boston, love Chicago, um, love Minneapolis, but there's, there's towns like, uh, Columbia,
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Missouri. Uh-huh. Love Columbia, Missouri. One of my favorite places in the United States
00:31:42.100
play Buffalo, New York. I'll take Buffalo any day. Is that right? Yeah, absolutely. Um,
00:31:53.420
it's just all about the people or the culture or how they feel about you or what? Buffalo is very
00:31:59.600
similar to my hometown of Fort Worth here in Texas. Um, and there's probably a lot of people out there
00:32:07.240
going, what? Right. Sure. Yeah, of course. Seattle's, Seattle's a no brainer, right? Yeah.
00:32:14.080
Like really? All right. Let me hear this. Yeah. No, it's just, um, gosh, Buffalo, I think is probably
00:32:21.780
my favorite town in New York and I've been fortunate to, you know, to play, play in New York a bunch of
00:32:26.940
times and, you know, um, but I don't know, man. Um, you know, Columbia, Missouri, you know,
00:32:33.120
Missouri as, as a whole, the state was, was good to me, kind of my gateway to the Midwest. And then
00:32:38.180
I was able to branch out after that. Um, gosh, man, you know, what's another, like really just cool.
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Oh man. I don't know. There, there, there's a, I could say, I could, I could list a whole bunch of
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little towns, you know, right. I think the, so I grew up in little towns. I, I moved from,
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uh, he, a big town and I'm in California to a very, very small town in Southern Utah when I was
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13, 14 years old. And for the rest of my life, you know, up until now, I've never lived in a big
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town. I've always lived in a little town, just, just, you know, a couple thousand people, three,
00:33:17.980
4,000 people. And I love small towns, man. It's just, I don't know something about it where people
00:33:23.180
know each other, they like each other, they communicate with each other. Yeah. There's rumors and
00:33:27.000
gossip and things like that. Maybe there's not as many opportunities, but the small town thing is,
00:33:31.540
is where it's at for me, man. Let me hit the, uh, the, the pause, the timeout button on the
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with Cody. Yeah. You know, it's, um, we live in a very small town now, like the town we live in
00:35:04.780
is a K through 12, you know, one school. Yes. Yes. Um, you know, it's, it's a tiny little town where
00:35:11.700
we live about, I live about an hour and a half from Fort Worth now, but, uh, you know, growing up
00:35:22.460
and really I grew up, you know, uh, out just right outside of Fort Worth, you know, in, in the suburbs,
00:35:27.820
but, uh, but yeah, man, you know, we moved out here, um, a few years ago, really to, to just get away,
00:35:38.920
you know, and, and it's, it's been nice, you know, trying to, you know, get, getting a little
00:35:46.000
respite, but, um, so 30 minutes from the nearest Walmart. So there's, there's, there's, there's
00:35:53.440
this drawbacks, you know, it's got, it's, it's got its pros and cons, right. If you got to travel a
00:35:57.900
little bit to get some toilet paper or whatever it is, it, uh, at that point you're thinking, man,
00:36:02.460
maybe I should have done this, but I, I think the positives outweigh the, the, the downsides of it.
00:36:07.280
I do too. Cause I can walk into my backyard and like shoot guns, you know? Right. I mean,
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like, I mean, we've got a, you know, we're have, have a couple of little stock tanks and I can go
00:36:20.100
out there and go fishing or, you know, go, uh, my son and I like to, we have a trap shooter,
00:36:28.440
you know, slinging skeet and, um, Texas is a great state for all of that stuff, man. Oh man. Yeah,
00:36:35.040
absolutely. So we do all the amazing, we'd, we'd rather be out, you know, riding four wheelers or
00:36:41.440
horses or, you know, all that kind of stuff. I wish I honestly, I wish more people would
00:36:47.320
experience that. You know, I, like I said, until I was 13 years old, I grew up in this,
00:36:51.720
this concrete jungle and there was so many people and the, the school that I went to had, you know,
00:36:57.220
like literally thousands and thousands of people in my class or whatever it was. And I didn't know
00:37:02.600
a 10th of them. And then as it transfers to, to adult, you know, I spent some time in, in lower
00:37:08.520
Manhattan, uh, with the previous company I was working with. And I just thought, you know,
00:37:12.100
this is cool. It's got it. I can see how this would be exciting, but then it's also got its
00:37:15.840
downsides because you don't know anybody and like you're around people, but you don't know a single
00:37:20.540
soul. You don't have any connection with individuals. Yeah. Um, you know,
00:37:26.240
my wife and I were having that conversation the other day. She could totally live like in a
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downtown city area. And I don't think I'd have a problem with it if, you know, I don't know that
00:37:43.180
the older I get, it's like, man, I, I probably could do it, you know, cause the conveniences and
00:37:48.400
stuff like that. I think I'd still rather be where I'm at. I think my wife could totally,
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you know, we had that conversation the other day. I was like, you know, we joke around with our kids
00:37:59.500
like, Hey, you know, whenever we get older and you know, you guys basically take over where we live,
00:38:06.020
you know, we've got to, you know, small, it's a very small cattle ranch operation going on out
00:38:13.840
here. Very small. I wouldn't even say I'm a cattle rancher, but you know, we have enough
00:38:18.100
everything's bigger in Texas. So I don't know what small is in Texas.
00:38:21.620
We had no, we have like, we have like, we have like 25 cows, you know? So we have enough cows
00:38:27.120
to get the ag exemption to, you know, help pay for the taxes and things.
00:38:30.840
Got it. You know, but, uh, we tell our kids like, Hey man, whenever we get old and you guys make us,
00:38:37.060
you know, move or whatever, it's like, I might just, uh, we might just go to the city and let your
00:38:43.080
mom live, uh, downtown for a while. Cause I think she would totally dig that.
00:38:47.140
For sure. Well, it's different. I think, I don't know. My wife's kind of, she likes the
00:38:52.600
agricultural area. She likes the more rural area, but yeah, there's some different appeal,
00:38:57.260
I think for women sometimes than there is for men. That's for sure.
00:39:00.840
Well, the funny thing about it is that when I'm on the road, you know, my wife, she basically,
00:39:07.480
she runs this place, you know, I mean, it's, it's kind of funny, you know, cause she's,
00:39:14.640
she's like, you took a city girl to the country and left her like, like, cause you go back out
00:39:19.800
on the road. She's like, you know, cause whenever I come off the road, anyway, you know, I come home
00:39:24.740
and I don't want to be around people. I want to just decompress and, you know, that kind of stuff.
00:39:30.840
And I come home and she's wanting to go to town. Of course. She's like, I've been doing anything,
00:39:36.020
man. Yeah. She's like, I've been out here all by myself. You know? Oh man. It's funny.
00:39:41.440
Tell me about, uh, tell me about your backdrop. Cause those almost look like coffins to me. I mean,
00:39:45.520
I know I'm not getting the full picture, but I'm really intrigued. They are really intrigued by
00:39:50.220
your shelves that back there, man. They are. Yeah. It's, um, man, this whole, this, I don't know.
00:39:58.140
My whole office is, is, is very strange. It's like, um, I have random things just everywhere
00:40:06.160
and hanging on the walls and stuff like that. But you're right. Those have three coffins
00:40:12.840
right here, but they're really not coffins. They're, they're individually pieced shelves
00:40:18.440
in the form of a coffin. Yeah. And everything on these shelves have been given to me. Like
00:40:26.880
like, this is all stuff over the years that, I mean, there's a Baylor football helmet, football
00:40:36.960
helmet. Right. Yeah. Uh, lots of, I got lots of baseball. I don't know if you can see him
00:40:41.780
baseball, baseball, baseballs down there, baseballs up there, baseballs up there, baseball
00:40:46.860
bats, just things, people, uh, Dukes of hazard TV tray. Uh, I was wondering what that was
00:40:54.720
cause you got the Confederate flag on there. So I was wondering what that was. Yeah. I,
00:40:58.320
I, uh, um, Dallas Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys, Superbowl football that I've had since I was
00:41:05.280
a kid. I mean, like, yeah, you know, just a little guitar up there that a little girl
00:41:11.340
gave me in Maryland that has one of my songs painted on it. I don't know, man. Just like
00:41:16.740
just cool stuff, you know, like I can't throw anything away. And my wife gives me a hard time
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because if somebody gives me anything, I keep it. It doesn't matter what it is. I can't
00:41:29.300
everything. I'm very, you know, like somebody thought to bring me something and was, I don't
00:41:37.960
know. It meant something to them to give me something. And, uh, that's, that's all that
00:41:44.840
stuff. That's cool. No, it's cool. I'm really intrigued. I would spend a lot of time just
00:41:48.980
looking at the, the, the stuff that you have from other people. I think it's really cool to see
00:41:53.800
things that mean something, you know, they have significance behind them.
00:41:57.480
You know, I had one of my favorite restaurants growing up in Fort Worth is called Edelweiss and
00:42:02.640
it's a German food restaurant. And we still go there probably about once or twice a year.
00:42:09.300
And it used to be happening and hopping, man. And, and like probably the, the late seventies
00:42:18.700
to the early nineties was really its heyday. Mid nineties was really its heyday. So when I was a
00:42:23.980
kid, this place was like special, man, special to go to. And it's one of those places you could
00:42:29.240
walk in and just look at the walls for hours. Cause it was back when people used to have headshots,
00:42:33.400
right? And famous people would come in and the guy that owned the restaurant, he was pretty much
00:42:38.740
famous in his own way. And people would bring in their headshots and, and sign their headshots.
00:42:45.460
And, uh, and they would have these cool German theme, you know, he would sing and he was a German
00:42:52.540
guy, you know, and he would sing and, and, uh, live music. And this place was just cool and hopping.
00:42:58.100
And there were headshots of all these people. There was just random stuff hanging all over the walls.
00:43:02.420
Like you just walk around this restaurant for hours, just looking. Right. And that's basically
00:43:06.640
what my office is like now. Um, like I have just pictures of all kinds of cool stuff, man. Like
00:43:16.240
when I played, I'm looking at when I played the Grand Ole Opry, uh, that my parking spot,
00:43:21.660
the reserve sign that had my name on it, you know, in the parking spot is hanging up there.
00:43:27.200
I've got military flags that were, were flown, um, um, I think both, I see, they're both Marine flags.
00:43:39.120
I mean, that were flown overseas, you know, I mean, like just all this, just really rad stuff that,
00:43:46.360
that, uh, like, so yeah, my office is really cool. I love looking at this stuff still, you know,
00:43:50.860
like people that have given to me and portraits of singers that, you know, people have drawn for me
00:43:56.100
or, uh, you know, I have, I have this really cool headshot of Chris Christopherson that stares at me
00:44:00.820
that, that he signed to me. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Just like I look at it
00:44:08.480
every day. I'm like, man, that's really cool. What is it? What is it like? I mean, we're going to talk
00:44:14.080
about the Grand Ole Opry here in a second, but what is it like to know that there's so many people who
00:44:18.960
were inspired by the, the, the words that you've put together, the, the, the chords that you've,
00:44:25.480
you know, sequenced and, and the fact that you're out there performing, how, how, how do you take
00:44:30.220
that? What is it like to know that you're inspiring so many people through your work and through your
00:44:33.960
creativity? It's awesome. It's a, like I said, while I go, it's a big responsibility. Um, you know,
00:44:40.700
and, and you don't, when you have fans and people that wear your name on their shirt, on their hat,
00:44:48.180
or on their body, I'm sure you've got people with tattoos, people that get their, your name
00:44:53.280
tattooed on them. Yeah, absolutely. That is very heavy. Um, because that's your name. And
00:45:02.060
at the end of the day, that's the most important thing. You know, it, you can, you can leave a whole
00:45:11.220
bunch of material things behind you, but you know, if, if I can't leave my kids being proud of my last
00:45:21.240
name, that's my biggest fear, you know? So I, I, I hold that same regard, you know, you know, I tell,
00:45:30.600
I tell people this a lot. I'm not afraid of dying. I'm afraid of messing up. I'm afraid of messing up
00:45:34.880
on stage. I'm afraid of, you know, messing up, you know, just like I, and I don't walk around
00:45:41.160
afraid all the time, but you know, it's, it's like, I see people with my name. I'm wearing a
00:45:48.420
Ward Davis shirt where it's one of my best friends in the world. You know, I take it very seriously
00:45:52.380
whenever I see people wearing my name and yeah, biggest possibility. Yeah. How do you, so you talk
00:46:01.480
about, I'm afraid of messing up. It sounds like to me that that is something that I don't want to
00:46:07.420
say hang out, hangs over you, but something that is you're conscious about something that's on your
00:46:12.120
mind. How do you keep that from happening? What is your, do you have a process for that? Do you,
00:46:18.160
is that something that you're, you're deliberate, intentional about? Well, you know, I mean,
00:46:22.420
just trying to be, and I know that a focal point of, of, of this podcast and, and, and everything
00:46:28.500
that you do is trying to be a better human, you know, trying to, definitely trying to keep the
00:46:36.660
main thing, the main thing, and the main thing is, is your family and your name and, and not letting
00:46:42.360
those people down. The next thing is, is music and fans and, you know, things of that nature. But,
00:46:50.060
you know, like I have this, I love, I love my quotes. I, you know, I, I'm a writer, so I love,
00:46:57.840
I love writers and quotes and things of that nature. And one of my favorite quotes in the whole
00:47:01.640
world is by an author named J.M. Barry. And it says, be kinder than is necessary because everyone
00:47:06.920
you meet is fighting some sort of battle. I, I think that that's a really good quote. Um, another
00:47:14.200
one that I have hanging on my, my bathroom mirror is, is, um, if you're still excited about what you
00:47:22.240
did yesterday, you haven't done anything today, you know, so, and, and I, I try to keep everything
00:47:30.640
PG. So I'll, I'll, this is what I look at every day. When I sit down at my desk, I'll let you read
00:47:39.340
that. You don't even have to say it out loud. I like that. I like that. That's the key to life
00:47:46.580
right there, man. That's my, that's my little note to myself that, that I read every morning
00:47:52.360
when I come and sit down at my desk. I look at that, you know, it's like your mantra. It is my
00:47:57.740
mantra. And it, and it basically, you know, can you read that for the guys who are just listening
00:48:02.200
to this? I can, I can, I can, I can give you the edited version if you'd prefer. All right. Yeah.
00:48:07.180
Give me the edit version. I'll give you whatever you're comfortable with. It says, Hey, butthead
00:48:12.400
wake up and be a better husband and father today. Get your coffee and don't be a jerk.
00:48:19.740
So, uh, insert butthead and don't be a jerk. So we'll leave the rest. I like it, man.
00:48:28.900
I like, you know, you, you said you really appreciated that quote about everybody having
00:48:33.260
a battle. What's your battle? Uh, man, I fight depression. Uh, and that's a common thing with
00:48:39.800
artists and writers and stuff. Anxiety. I have, I have, I have really, I'm a walking, uh, I'm a
00:48:45.420
walking anxiety attack waiting to happen. But most of my friends, most of my friends are, you know,
00:48:50.800
in this, especially in this business. Why, why do you think that's so common? I mean, I've heard that
00:48:55.880
before, depression, anxiety, these types of things. Why do you think that's so common in,
00:48:59.360
in your line of work? I don't know. I think it's the same thing is like, you know, the sock and the
00:49:05.420
buskin, the, the happy face and the sad face that you see with, um, on like theater, you know,
00:49:12.860
actors, performers, you know, the happy face and the sad face is the sock and the buskin.
00:49:18.100
I think that, um, that that's a common trait, a common thing with, with, you know, creative people
00:49:24.520
with, uh, um, performers. You know, I can't tell you how many performers I know that
00:49:32.500
suffer from stage fright. You know, why, but why do that? Like, if that's, if that's your thing,
00:49:39.640
why, man, you're, you're putting yourself into arena. That's actually challenging that. Like
00:49:44.540
nothing else can. Why do that? We're nuts. I don't know. Why do you have anxiety? I don't know.
00:49:51.260
I do it to myself. I don't know. You know, it's, it's a funny thing, man, you know, and, and that's,
00:49:56.600
it's, uh, it's something that a lot of people in this business deal with, you know, a lot of,
00:50:01.140
a lot of entertainers have social anxiety and, and, uh, like when I come home, man, I'm,
00:50:07.240
I'm a hermit. I, you know, I may not, I may not leave the house for two or three weeks at a time.
00:50:13.200
Is that right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. A lot of your music has dark and heavy undertones,
00:50:21.040
which I actually resonate with. Cause when I hear it, I'm like, hell yeah. Like I know what
00:50:25.780
he's, I know what he's, I know what he's saying. I know what he's talking about right now. Do you
00:50:30.840
look at that as an outlet? Is it just you sharing your, I got to get this off my chest. Is it not
00:50:39.520
that deep? Maybe it's not that deep. I don't know. Where does the inspiration come from?
00:50:43.280
A lot of different places. You know, a lot of people ask, how do you write? Why do you write? What you
00:50:46.980
write is, um, most of what I write is first person stuff that I've been through stuff that,
00:50:53.180
or stuff that I know somebody that I'm close with has been through it really. And sometimes people
00:51:00.440
like, do you write the boards first or the music first? Well, some people do one, some people do
00:51:05.020
the other. Some people do both. I have, it doesn't matter for me. Um, very rarely do I write in third
00:51:11.140
person. I have a song, um, I have a song called David that people ask me about a lot. And it's,
00:51:16.160
it's probably my most people ask me about that song more than anything else. And it, it comes from,
00:51:21.660
uh, the, the aspect of, um, a former soldier, um, that comes back and his, his best friend has,
00:51:31.200
you know, gone off the deep end into drugs. And, uh, you have one, one end of the spectrum,
00:51:36.760
he has two childhood friends and, and one of them ended up on this side and one of them ended up on
00:51:41.980
this side. And, uh, and that song's really third person. I, I never that, you know, I wasn't in the
00:51:50.780
service. I, you know, I wasn't a police officer, you know, I didn't have a best friend named David
00:51:57.300
that got really messed up on drugs, but that's a story that a lot of people have. And that song
00:52:08.800
in particular was, uh, an exercise for me, uh, in, uh, in writing differently, uh, that I normally do.
00:52:17.160
Um, my inspiration typically writing in first person are things that I've been through. And I
00:52:23.540
co-write a lot more now because you can only write about your own experiences,
00:52:27.960
you know, at, at certain times you have to keep living before you can, you know, keep writing
00:52:35.480
about stuff. So I've already talked about that. We go before I get to that. Exactly. You know,
00:52:41.300
so I've, I've been doing a lot more co-writing. Um, and unfortunately, you know, being, being in the,
00:52:46.600
in the business, as long as I have now, I've gotten to meet and become friends with some really,
00:52:51.240
really great writers that when we get together, it's, it's not the Nashville thing. Like you
00:52:56.980
mentioned while ago, you know, kind of doing things our own way that, you know, writers that
00:53:01.980
are, are not going in for a four 30 session going, well, we got to write about a truck and we got to
00:53:06.900
write about, you know, this is what's selling today. So we got to write about that. Yes. Yes.
00:53:11.400
It's, uh, I have, I mentioned while it goes, his name's Kendall Marvel. There's another great
00:53:16.040
songwriter named, uh, Channing Wilson that, uh, uh, a big fan of his work. And, and anyway, uh,
00:53:24.820
we got, we got together cause we've been zoom writing. That's what, that's what we've been
00:53:29.440
doing. You know, normally we would get together and meet up, you know, but we've had to kind of
00:53:34.300
bob and weave and adapt and adjust and do like what we're doing right now.
00:53:37.640
So I'm, I'm actually really intrigued by that. So you're talking, you're communicating,
00:53:41.420
obviously you're working through concepts and ideas are, do you each have like, do you have
00:53:45.860
a guitar out and you're like playing through chords and music together on zoom? Like what
00:53:50.180
does that actually look like? Absolutely. I mean, it's literally like, I mean, it's what
00:53:54.840
you and I are doing right now, but it's sitting there going, you know, it's like, you know,
00:53:59.180
okay, I'm going to be, all right. I got this idea. It's in D, you know, just
00:54:05.360
not go to the G, go back to the D and then, you know, you know, it's, it's, it's exactly
00:54:14.600
what it is, but you're bringing up Kendall and Channing because we got on and it's, we're
00:54:19.540
sitting there much like this and you've got your guitar and you know, I've got my guitar
00:54:23.700
and everybody's got their guitars and we're sitting there and we're just kind of picking
00:54:27.080
and you know, morning, you know, how's everybody drink? Everybody's drinking the coffee and you
00:54:31.720
know, it's kind of how the kid's doing, you know, this and that. And I was like, man,
00:54:37.440
anybody got any good ideas? You know, this and that. And I was sitting there and, you
00:54:41.920
know, I was like, guys, you know, this was a few months back and we've been in the pandemic
00:54:45.780
and we're really at the height of it. You know, when we had the resurgence again, a few
00:54:49.500
months ago where it got big again. And I said, I was like, guys, man, I don't want to
00:54:56.940
write a sad song, you know, because that's what had been coming up. So we
00:55:01.660
ended up writing a sad song called, I don't want to write a sad song.
00:55:09.680
Yeah. You know? And so that's just kind of, and you just kind of try to take what everybody's
00:55:16.300
throwing around that morning and the kind of the conversation before, before you really
00:55:23.340
get going. And, uh, and, and you have, and it has to be people that you, that, you know,
00:55:29.740
sure. It's, I couldn't, I couldn't just jump on, you know, or somebody that, you know, that
00:55:36.220
you're getting hooked up with. Like if you have a mutual friend, that's like, Hey man, so-and-so
00:55:41.760
you want to write with so-and-so? Yeah, dude, let's set it up, man. Let's get, you know,
00:55:47.220
let's get that going on with the three of us. And, and, uh, man, I've gotten to write
00:55:50.920
with some really cool people that I might not have gotten to write with, uh, had it not
00:55:54.800
been, you know, being cooped up at the house and cause that's all we've had to do. We hadn't
00:55:58.840
been able to play, you know, so we, we've just been writing, writing like hell.
00:56:02.720
Yeah. There's definitely some tremendous plus. And you know, it's funny. You're talking about
00:56:05.940
being with the right people. You certainly have to grease the grooves a little bit. I've, I've
00:56:09.580
been thinking about that cause I've been podcasting now for, well, six years. And I've had some
00:56:15.460
conversations that are, you know, pretty clunky, right? Like, like it just doesn't,
00:56:19.880
that doesn't jive. It just doesn't work. It doesn't go together. And I've constantly been
00:56:23.460
thinking about how do I grease the grooves and how do I make this a seamless conversation
00:56:29.240
where it just flows. And I imagine your, your zoom meetings and your face-to-face sessions are very
00:56:36.260
much the same way where it's got to flow and you got to feel it. And everybody's got to be
00:56:39.780
working on the same vein a little bit. Absolutely. You know, we're, you have to,
00:56:47.600
it's, it's pretty much like real time, but there's a tiny, tiny latency issue. And so,
00:56:55.620
you know, that's where the video helps a lot because, you know, after you're done saying
00:57:01.620
something, you know, you could be like mindful enough to like, okay, lean over. I'm done.
00:57:05.660
You know, it's like, okay. So they're like, okay. Oh, he's done talking. He's done. Got it. Check.
00:57:10.880
So, um, and even cause on our podcast, we do it with, um, our bass player, Josh, who's, who's, uh,
00:57:19.540
been my right hand man for ever. Um, and then, uh, Keith, which Keith has done everything from drive us
00:57:30.080
to sell merchandise and now he's, he's basically my PA. And so we're the three, you know, we have
00:57:37.460
three of us and I do the fun stuff and, you know, just the, the BS and, and then, uh, you know, uh,
00:57:47.020
Josh asked the serious questions, the business questions. And then Keith comes in with the
00:57:52.820
zingers and, you know, kind of makes us laugh and stuff like that. So go kind of going with what
00:57:58.200
you're saying. You have to, you've been doing it for six years. We're on our second season. We're 10
00:58:05.140
shows into our second year. Um, I have learned a lot about, you know, especially doing it zoom
00:58:17.440
because we started doing it in person and then, you know, last year. So, you know, it's, it's,
00:58:24.640
it's, you have to learn, you know, and I'm, I'm still not that great at it. You know, it's, it's,
00:58:30.480
it's, I'm having fun with it, but, uh, yeah, man, I'm still learning.
00:58:35.480
Yeah. I, man, I love the podcasting arena. So I'm glad to see that you, you're getting your
00:58:39.680
podcast going. You, you said, uh, I can't remember if it was Keith or somebody else.
00:58:43.620
He said he was your PA. What, what's a PA? What, what were you referring to?
00:58:49.860
I guess, I guess he just, he still does a little everything, but, um, and that's really
00:58:56.820
not even a great term for him. He just, he basically, uh, keeps my head on, you know,
00:59:04.320
when we're out on the road, he's the guy that goes, Cody, you got to do this. Now you got
00:59:07.820
to do this now, you know, that he's, he's my, I don't know. He's my, my, my keeper of my
00:59:15.940
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, uh, that's invaluable, you know, that, that was
00:59:19.840
somebody like that in your corner who can keep you straight, especially when you want
00:59:23.620
to, uh, veer off and try. And I imagine too, it's, it's probably indicative of, of your
00:59:29.400
career choice and your personality is to be, I don't want to say crazy. That's not, that's
00:59:34.600
what I'm saying, but like space could have, is that what you would say? Space. Okay.
00:59:38.360
Thank you. Cause I didn't know what to call it, but that, that's an interesting term.
00:59:41.400
I'm a space cadet for sure. Yeah. It's he harnesses it. Is that what it is?
00:59:46.360
Uh, he, um, he, he basically just reminds me of what I have to do when I have to do it
00:59:59.160
without pissing me off. Uh, when we're on the road, like I try not to be, uh, too grumpy
01:00:09.500
all the time, but you know, sometimes you get grumpy and, um, you know, he, the dude,
01:00:18.860
like I said, keeps my head on straight, but when nobody wants to even talk to me, I might
01:00:24.960
be having a bear of a day or not that I'm, you know, I'm, I don't, I'm not ever mean to
01:00:31.060
anybody, you know, but they know whenever they probably don't need to talk to me. And
01:00:37.100
he's that one dude that can make me laugh and it pisses me off when he does it too. Cause
01:00:44.060
like, it's like, dude, don't make me laugh. I don't want to laugh right now. I don't want
01:00:47.940
to laugh right now. And he, you know, anyway, so he's, he's been with me for hell, uh, seven
01:00:55.780
years, I guess now. Is that right? Yeah. He used to sell our merchandise and then drive
01:01:00.320
us. He didn't sleep much for about, about two years. He really didn't sleep. He's driving
01:01:08.540
and between shows and things like that. I can imagine how tough that would be. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:15.440
He, uh, yeah, he's a good one, man, but he gets all of our podcast guests lined out. He's,
01:01:22.300
you know, that's, that's what he does too. So he wears a lot of hats, but all my guys
01:01:28.300
do, you know, it's, it's, uh, hell our front of house engineers are engineer for our podcast.
01:01:35.680
Oh, is that right? So they're doing both the shows and the, and the podcast itself.
01:01:39.620
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cause hell we've been just trying to think of ways to stay busy,
01:01:46.800
you know, this last, this last year. And like I said, we started doing them. We started doing
01:01:52.960
it just because we were out on the road and I would just basically not even interview,
01:01:58.820
but have a BS session with my buddies, you know, and that's, we got off this portable
01:02:03.980
podcast gear and we would record them out on the road and our front of house engineer would,
01:02:12.380
uh, and if people that don't know what front of house engineer is, he's the guy responsible for,
01:02:17.220
uh, making all the sound that the crowd hears sound, right. Sure. He's, he's making the house
01:02:23.540
sound anyway. So he runs, uh, he runs a podcast too. And everybody just, I don't know. I got a
01:02:31.640
really unique group of guys. We, we, uh, everything's in house. There's, I think there's value.
01:02:41.080
Yeah. You know, as I'm talking with you right now, what I'm hearing is, you know, you, you're,
01:02:45.420
you're a regular dude, like, you know, you, you've had some, some level of, of, of notoriety
01:02:51.900
and fame and interest, and yet you've been able to be pretty grounded and, and, and just a regular
01:02:58.020
guy that people would want to spend time with or have a beer with or whatever, you know? And I,
01:03:01.700
I think that's probably why people resonate with you. Cause we live in a world of these mega pop
01:03:06.540
stars and social, you know, social celebrities. They're just famous for, for being famous.
01:03:12.160
And yet I see you as being somebody who's grounded, who's down to earth, who has your own goals and
01:03:17.140
ambitions. And yet it's pretty authentic and true to who you actually are. And I think people
01:03:20.740
resonate with that. I hope so. You know, I mean, cause that's the way we built our business anyway.
01:03:25.680
You know, that was, that was, that was how we wanted this, this band to be, I wanted it to be
01:03:33.560
real songs that people, real people could relate to. And, and, and if it didn't have its own leg
01:03:38.940
to stand on, man, it'd be better off just going away. Um, and that's always been how I've looked
01:03:45.040
at it. That's always how I've written. That's always how I'm going to write. Um, you know,
01:03:50.560
there's a finite amount of songs that I'm going to get to write in this lifetime, but you know,
01:03:55.620
the ones that I actually find good enough to lay down on a record, I want them to count and I want
01:04:03.060
them to matter. Yeah. Any, uh, any plans or anything that you have coming up that we need
01:04:08.600
to be aware of that we can share with the guys. Cause I want to make sure they know where to connect
01:04:11.880
with you and find out more about what you're up to. Cause I'll tell you, man, my, my family has
01:04:16.300
enjoyed your music. And every, every day when I get to hang out with my son and do those orders,
01:04:21.120
I'm like, man, Cody's hanging out with us right now. We're, we're, we're, he's like, dad, what's
01:04:25.280
this song about? I'm like, listen to it. Like, listen, like, don't just hear it. Listen to the
01:04:28.980
words that he's saying and see what, see if you agree or disagree. And we can talk about these
01:04:33.000
things, but are there plans that you have coming up? Absolutely. Yeah. Um, planning on being very
01:04:41.820
busy, uh, which is a good thing. I'm, I'm, I'm really excited, man. We're, we're going,
01:04:47.540
uh, we're going back into the studio in may. We're going to start recording some new original
01:04:53.760
stuff. Um, let's see. I think we're going to try to document it, like get some cameras
01:05:04.980
in there. Cool. That'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be awesome. I don't, I don't know for sure,
01:05:09.580
but kind of do a the making of whatever we decided to call this record sure right right
01:05:16.780
but uh gonna keep the podcast going um you know like i said go back into the studio but we've got
01:05:24.780
uh we've got i think four or five shows acoustic before i go back into the studio so we'll kick
01:05:32.640
off april 16th in lubbock and uh then we go to uh fort smith arkansas and then we go to new kirk
01:05:42.980
oklahoma and uh have a few days off studio time and then i we've got a lot of makeup shows
01:05:53.180
yeah you do you're gonna be double time soon man yeah i'm gonna be so sick uh this time next year
01:05:59.820
i'm gonna be so sick of being on the road but but it's it's good though you know i'm i'm glad
01:06:05.860
we're we're getting to uh to open back up and and and get back out but everything's on codyjinks.com
01:06:12.520
and you know facebook and um instagram and and all the all the socials all the regular stuff but
01:06:19.580
um gosh we've got a we've got a really really busy year coming up that's good man i'm excited for you
01:06:28.040
well you know i appreciate you taking some time i know you're a busy man i know you got a lot going
01:06:32.040
on but i i genuinely when i talk about that and i talk about your music and a lot of the guys that
01:06:36.960
listen no i'm i'm not what you would be considered like a music guy uh but you're one of the few people
01:06:42.960
artists that i actually spend a lot of time listening to and we have conversations about it
01:06:47.580
we enjoy our time together so man it was a real honor to be able to have this conversation with you
01:06:51.380
thank you for joining me well thank you i i appreciate it and uh you know that's bad anytime
01:06:57.540
i do it again i really i dig these man you know uh i obviously you know whenever we came whenever i
01:07:05.780
heard about this you know i checked out what you're doing and and all that all that good stuff and uh
01:07:11.300
uh yeah you run it man it's just like just sit down and having a having a chat man talking shop and
01:07:16.780
that's right all that good stuff so no thank you for your time as well i'm gonna make it down to
01:07:21.480
texas soon so hopefully the next one we can do we can do in person but i know that might be a year
01:07:25.380
out once you get done with your your big tour coming up but hopefully we can make something
01:07:29.640
in person uh work because that'd be a real cool thing as well yeah for sure you know what heck man
01:07:36.120
it's opening back up i just got my first covid shot too so good get it done get back on the road
01:07:42.400
get doing your thing that's what we need man we need people going out there and living their lives
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and enjoying life the way it's meant to be enjoyed amen amen to that all right brother
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thanks again for joining me you're welcome i appreciate it all right gentlemen there you go
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my conversation with the one and only cody jinx i hope you enjoyed that one as much as i did again
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very fascinating man uh has a lot of unique perspectives and thoughts and insights about
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his music his career and just just life in general that i think are very applicable to
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us as we want to forge our own path and make our own way and ultimately do life our own way as well
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so make sure you connect with cody on the gram and all the other social media places uh pick up his music
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it if you uh bought anything from the order of man store lately you'll probably uh we my son and i
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probably filled that order listening to cody jinx just so you know so there's that as well so make sure you
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check out the store check out cody's stuff uh his music it's phenomenal um i really think you're gonna
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get a lot of who he is through his his music uh and then also make sure you check out the legacy
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experience again for boys between the ages of 8 to 15 september 23rd to the 26th only four spots
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available you can do that at order of man.com slash legacy uh let me know what you thought about
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the show take a screenshot share it um on instagram facebook twitter whatever you can do to promote
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the visibility of of this movement would be very much appreciated and not only go a long way in what
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we're doing here but go a long way and whoever you're going to share this with whether it's your
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brother or father cousin friend colleague co-worker there's other men who need this information need the
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information that we're putting out each and every week uh and you can be the catalyst for that
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individual to hear something that uh might might serve him well all right guys that's all i've got
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we'll be back tomorrow for our ask me thing but until then go out there take action and become a
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man you are meant to be thank you for listening to the order of man podcast you're ready to take
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charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be we invite you to join the order