Order of Man - Creating Contingency Plans, Determining Malice or Stupidity, and Changing the Narrative Around Masculinity ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.480 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.720 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:24.960 Mr. Kip Sorensen, good to have you back, man. Good to see you, brother.

00:00:27.680 Good to be back on the wagon of podcasting with Mr. Mickler on a weekly basis.

00:00:34.240 You've had an event for a couple of weeks, so we all understand.

00:00:38.320 Well, I appreciate it. But it's actually, you know, we talk about it, how nice it is, right, to have these conversations and just be having this kind of dialogue,

00:00:47.300 whether it's guys listening or just you and I having a dialogue with one another. It's always beneficial.

00:00:53.660 I know it sounds cheesy, but it's totally true. 1.00

00:00:55.580 It really is. There's a lot of guys out there who don't have anybody to talk to at all, you know, or they have their wife and their wife is good.

00:01:03.460 It's not complete. It's not going to fill everything that a guy needs.

00:01:07.080 But yeah, guys don't have that conversation.

00:01:09.200 But there's another lesson, too, is that, you know, the system kept rolling, you know, and I know you've been out offline for a couple of weeks,

00:01:16.280 but the system kept rolling. And to me, that's another lesson that was really valuable is that, you know, we had Sean come in last week and he did a tremendous job.

00:01:24.380 We only made fun of you a little bit. Not very much, just a little bit.

00:01:27.160 Trust me, I listened. I was like, at dicks.

00:01:29.300 Yeah, we figured.

00:01:31.020 Only cursed you a couple of times.

00:01:32.500 But I've been really thinking about that.

00:01:37.400 In fact, you and I talked about this before we even hit record is making sure that the systems and processes are in place so that when things go wrong,

00:01:46.440 and they always will, there'll be challenges and medical conditions and family situations and layoffs and divorce and all kinds of stuff that could derail the system.

00:01:56.420 But if you don't have these contingencies in plan, I even think about this with just political and societal upheaval.

00:02:05.740 You know, I did a post the other day about my, the food storage, the freezers that we have and the food storage we have in place.

00:02:11.440 We have a freeze dryer. So we're freeze drying food now. My wife cans a bunch of food all the time. 1.00

00:02:16.660 Like these are contingencies that we put in place if and when, it's not even if, when things happen, we have all the systems in place.

00:02:25.640 So guys, you really ought to consider your backups with, yes, your food storage, but also your day-to-day operations.

00:02:31.820 Like how's your business going to run if somebody goes down?

00:02:33.940 Like if you have a key, key executive that goes down, whether they die or they have a family emergency or something,

00:02:40.560 like what happens to the rest of your business?

00:02:42.660 Does it implode or do you have something in place that you can just flip that switch like a, like a backup generator, you know,

00:02:49.520 you go flip the switch and then the, the power turns back on.

00:02:52.520 You guys are good to go with minimal downtime.

00:02:54.860 Yeah.

00:02:54.940 Yeah. You know, at Echelon Front utilizes, when they, when they talk about discipline equals freedom,

00:03:01.400 a lot of, sometimes they'll reference discipline in the process, right?

00:03:05.040 Like by having, being disciplined in regards to the systems in which we're using,

00:03:09.320 then we get the freedom of dealing with the unknown, dealing with things that will show up that we weren't planning.

00:03:16.800 But if we're not disciplined in that, we're barely getting by with our heads cut off,

00:03:21.300 just trying to maintain things and then problems show up.

00:03:24.940 We're not going to be able to stay afloat.

00:03:26.900 Right.

00:03:27.220 And, and I think it's even, and I, you're talking about more complex and more serious items.

00:03:31.700 I feel that way just about maintaining a clean home.

00:03:35.520 You know, like if I can't maintain a clean home, it, or let me say it this way.

00:03:39.600 If I'm disciplined and maintaining and being organized, then when chaos happens, I'm not stressed out about those kinds of things.

00:03:46.580 Right.

00:03:46.820 And I can deal with the issue, but like, if, if I'm not disciplined in my process and, and being organized in regards to how I do things,

00:03:54.160 and then chaos shows up, dude, I, I, your ship falls apart, right?

00:03:59.040 Like things aren't getting done and, and everything else.

00:04:01.720 And so I think that principle even transcends, even just minute, you know, day-to-day schedules and those kinds of things,

00:04:08.900 let alone serious issues that you're alluding to.

00:04:13.080 Yeah.

00:04:13.200 Well, and you know, there's also another element of this that I think a lot of men overlook when it comes to the discipline equals freedom mantra,

00:04:19.680 you know, freedom to do what you want.

00:04:21.360 Sure.

00:04:21.620 All that kind of stuff, freedom to go on a vacations and have the income and all this stuff.

00:04:25.820 That's good.

00:04:26.440 That's right.

00:04:26.880 But there's also a mental clarity and freedom that comes from having your stuff in line.

00:04:31.100 Like I know what, what I do every single Friday is I go through my office and I clean my entire office.

00:04:36.940 I vacuum it.

00:04:38.080 We dust it.

00:04:39.060 My daughter helps me.

00:04:40.200 She earns a little money by helping me clean up the office. 0.99

00:04:42.260 I take all my paperwork that, you know, maybe stacked up from throughout the week.

00:04:45.880 I file it or I put it in a pile of things that need to be addressed early next week.

00:04:49.840 Like I do a fine cleaning every single Friday because I know I'm much more effective mentally.

00:04:58.100 Yes.

00:04:58.740 Physically as well, but mentally when there isn't a bunch of clutter and chaos and noise around me, I, I'll get into a friend's car, for example.

00:05:06.940 And it's like a tornado went off in the car.

00:05:09.020 I'm like, how do you, like, how are you functioning at maximum capacity right now?

00:05:14.240 If your car looks like this, how are you functioning at max capacity when your house is just a mess?

00:05:23.460 Like you, there's no way.

00:05:24.740 Oh, well, Ryan, I have a system.

00:05:26.300 Yeah, you do.

00:05:27.620 And it sucks.

00:05:28.920 Your system sucks.

00:05:30.300 It's, it's less effective than it could be.

00:05:33.040 So clean everything up.

00:05:35.080 Make sure your environment is the way you want it to be.

00:05:37.340 I just made some changes in my office.

00:05:39.540 I actually have my Vara desk right here that the computer is sitting on now, which is one of those collapsible, expandable desks.

00:05:45.840 So it can stand up and down.

00:05:46.960 Like a stand up desk.

00:05:47.780 Yeah.

00:05:48.200 Yeah.

00:05:48.400 It was over here on the other desk, but I put it here.

00:05:50.460 I'm like, okay, I'm going to try this.

00:05:51.660 I'm going to change some lighting around.

00:05:53.040 Like I'm trying, I want this environment to be, when I come in here, maximum efficiency, maximum effectiveness, no wasted space, no wasted papers or stuff lying around.

00:06:06.440 Maximum efficiency, because I have a very short window to get everything that I want to get accomplished.

00:06:12.180 And if I have chaos and clutter, it's not going to be as effective, effective as it could be.

00:06:17.080 And that stuff just snowballs.

00:06:18.860 Like you, oh, I don't have the time right now.

00:06:21.180 So I'm going to push it off.

00:06:22.340 And then later it's like, it's not still not done.

00:06:24.860 And it just gets worse until eventually like you have to like take an entire Saturday off to get your shit together.

00:06:31.120 Right.

00:06:31.560 So it's, it's better to be disciplined in the moment and keep maintain it.

00:06:36.400 It's not even discipline.

00:06:37.740 It's just simple thing.

00:06:39.180 I think sometimes we put too much weight.

00:06:42.280 Oh, you have to be disciplined.

00:06:44.560 Yeah, I guess.

00:06:45.620 But like, is it really discipline or is it just little changes that don't add any extra to your plate?

00:06:52.140 So one of the things that I do when I'm in my truck, if my kids are in with me and even when I'm alone is every time I get out of the car, I clean the trash out of the truck.

00:07:02.960 Like the, the door, you know, has little pieces of trash or, you know, a drink can or whatever.

00:07:09.460 And every time I just grab it out and I throw it away.

00:07:11.920 And when my kids are in the car, before we get out, I'm like, Hey kids, grab your trash on the way out.

00:07:15.960 And you know what we do?

00:07:16.960 We have a trash can right in the barn.

00:07:19.360 So on the way from the car to the house, there's a trash can.

00:07:22.260 It's a huge, just drop it right in there.

00:07:25.180 It's not even discipline.

00:07:26.500 It's just a system.

00:07:28.060 It's a little simple system that makes everything else much more effective.

00:07:32.400 I see what you're saying just to have clarity.

00:07:36.380 So you're, you're saying, Hey, you know what?

00:07:39.980 Don't make this.

00:07:40.840 It's not a big deal.

00:07:42.120 Right.

00:07:42.480 And sometimes when I put in the label of discipline on it, we think like, Oh, this is this chore.

00:07:47.400 When we're out, it's just like, and I just, I got to grind through it.

00:07:51.700 You don't have to grind through anything.

00:07:53.480 Just James Clear talks about this quite a bit in his book, Atomic Habits.

00:07:57.880 You make the things that you want to do easy.

00:08:00.040 You grease the groove and the things you don't want to do, you make hard.

00:08:03.880 So if you want to have chips and salsa every night, like I do personally, then you don't

00:08:08.440 have chips and salsa in the house.

00:08:09.800 You have to go to the store.

00:08:10.440 And then if you want it, you have to go to the store and we're lazy.

00:08:13.000 Like, I'm not going to go to the store at nine o'clock at night.

00:08:15.200 Cause I'm lazy.

00:08:16.600 And so that makes it harder.

00:08:18.280 It's not discipline.

00:08:19.940 That isn't discipline.

00:08:21.100 It's just, I'm lazy.

00:08:22.460 And so I utilize my laziness not to eat the chips and salsa.

00:08:25.380 Yeah.

00:08:26.580 And then, then worst case is like, well, cars, no fuel going for a salsa run.

00:08:31.380 You see Mr.

00:08:32.460 Old man Mickler out running to the store for salsa.

00:08:35.540 That's right.

00:08:36.460 That's right.

00:08:38.540 All right.

00:08:39.300 Well, there we go.

00:08:40.360 There's our rant for the morning.

00:08:41.860 You feel better?

00:08:42.380 You feel better?

00:08:43.420 No, I got so much more in me, dude.

00:08:47.220 You started it, man.

00:08:48.420 When we got on this call, you were, before we even hit record, you're telling me all these

00:08:52.100 things and all, I'm like, yeah, so I brought up spreadsheets and Ryan started getting angry.

00:08:57.660 That's right.

00:09:00.780 All right.

00:09:01.240 What do we got, man?

00:09:02.160 All right.

00:09:02.760 So we're building questions.

00:09:03.940 Yeah.

00:09:04.520 We feel we're building questions from the iron council to learn more about the iron council,

00:09:09.020 go to order man.com slash iron council.

00:09:11.120 Our first question, Bobby, Katie, where do you see this movement going?

00:09:15.740 Mr.

00:09:16.000 Mickler, is there a number you have in your head of the members you want to have within the

00:09:20.220 iron council?

00:09:22.100 I saw this question.

00:09:24.500 Yeah, we do.

00:09:25.320 And I appreciate the question.

00:09:26.460 You know, people are interested in where we're going and what we're doing.

00:09:28.840 I actually don't have an end goal.

00:09:30.720 You know, I think about it in the context of a marathon or some sort of race, you know,

00:09:35.200 everybody has an end goal.

00:09:36.520 And so they run and they pace themselves and they do whatever they're going to do based

00:09:40.460 on what their end objective is.

00:09:41.720 And then they work backwards.

00:09:42.720 Okay.

00:09:42.940 I got to run 26 miles and I'm trying to hit, I don't know, eight minute miles.

00:09:47.500 And in order to do that, here's where I have to be at half the quarter mark and the

00:09:51.220 halfway mark, I don't have a goal.

00:09:54.100 Like I don't have a final destination.

00:09:56.340 I don't have somewhere I want to go.

00:09:58.740 I don't have something I want to create at the end.

00:10:01.160 I don't want some, there's no benchmark I've thought about that I've reached the epitome

00:10:05.440 of what I'm going to create and the pinnacle of our achievement here.

00:10:08.360 And I actually like it like that because it just leaves me open to being flexible and

00:10:15.580 to maneuvering.

00:10:16.420 And I really enjoy what I'm doing.

00:10:18.640 So when you ask me, what is the end result?

00:10:20.860 It almost feels like, what am I working towards?

00:10:23.240 I'm not working towards something.

00:10:25.000 I'm working for the sake of working.

00:10:27.740 I actually really like doing this.

00:10:29.800 I wake up every day.

00:10:31.740 That's it.

00:10:32.720 I'm excited about it.

00:10:33.980 Like, who am I?

00:10:34.660 Who do I get to talk to today?

00:10:36.060 What questions do I get to answer?

00:10:37.860 How do I get to serve the people that are here?

00:10:40.160 What new projects or what new technology can I implement?

00:10:44.480 How can I improve?

00:10:45.600 How can I get better?

00:10:46.420 How can I be more effective?

00:10:48.020 And it isn't towards some desired end goal.

00:10:52.640 It's just, I like to get better.

00:10:54.340 I like to make this better.

00:10:55.600 I want this thing to improve.

00:10:58.200 So that might be a little counter to what a lot of people hear when they think of goal

00:11:02.360 setting.

00:11:02.800 But, but here's another example that clearly you can relate with, you know, everybody wants

00:11:09.500 to achieve and get their black belt in jujitsu, whether you started a week ago or you started

00:11:14.020 10 years ago, you want your black belt.

00:11:16.020 But at some point along the way, you're like, I, yeah, the black belt's going to come. 0.99

00:11:20.600 I actually just enjoy going to class.

00:11:22.740 And there isn't some final that, you know, the destination will take place, but you're

00:11:28.040 not like actively focused on that.

00:11:31.300 You just are present and you enjoy being there.

00:11:33.220 And that's the point I'm at now with order of man.

00:11:35.600 Yeah.

00:11:36.140 So I don't know.

00:11:36.600 And I wonder if it saves you from getting like blinded with a certain set of expectation,

00:11:43.660 right?

00:11:44.400 Where you're like, oh, okay, here's the next step.

00:11:46.780 I'm going to lock this in and we're going to go here.

00:11:48.820 And it almost, I wonder if sometimes if you did that, you would, you would prevent yourself

00:11:55.620 from seeing new opportunities because you've locked in on how it should go.

00:12:00.420 And it prevents you from being nimble and flexible enough to take advantage of opportunities that

00:12:05.880 just will just naturally present themselves outside of your planning.

00:12:11.560 Yeah.

00:12:11.780 Or, or I agree with that.

00:12:13.180 Or also burnout.

00:12:15.120 Yeah.

00:12:16.100 You know, because you're so focused on this thing and whether it happens or not, and all

00:12:20.820 the external circumstances that are well beyond your control play out.

00:12:25.020 And then you just end up gassing yourself out.

00:12:27.480 Yeah.

00:12:28.060 I don't know.

00:12:28.600 Um, now I will say this, there are things in the micro that sound appealing to me.

00:12:34.760 Like I might have a new event.

00:12:36.060 I'm like, oh, that event would be cool.

00:12:37.580 And then I have a goal, like, okay, in order to have that event this fall,

00:12:40.900 but a shorter window, right?

00:12:42.760 Right.

00:12:43.120 Yeah.

00:12:43.740 One of the things I've been thinking about a lot lately is creating somewhat of a media.

00:12:51.420 I'm always hesitant to say this because I had a call last week and people hold me to

00:12:56.160 what I say on this podcast, but guys just know that if I say something, it doesn't mean I'm

00:13:01.300 going to actively pursue it.

00:13:02.560 I'm just kind of thinking out loud.

00:13:04.000 Sharing the thought.

00:13:04.480 Yeah.

00:13:04.900 That's all I'm doing.

00:13:05.760 So don't take it to heart or do or whatever, but don't hold me to it.

00:13:08.800 Um, I I've kind of thought like this, what we're doing here with order of man, making

00:13:15.360 it or pivot, not pivoting, but adding a sort of media component to it.

00:13:20.980 So a couple of great companies that do this, the daily wire does this really good with Ben

00:13:25.520 Shapiro and Jeremy boring.

00:13:26.600 They're creating a media empire.

00:13:28.340 Now they're getting into film, like full feature film movies.

00:13:32.680 Yeah.

00:13:33.240 Movies.

00:13:33.940 Um, yeah.

00:13:34.900 Another company that does this really good.

00:13:36.760 John level with warrior poet society does a phenomenal job, even origin to a degree, not

00:13:42.700 totally, but to a degree, they're great at marketing their stuff and they'll create those

00:13:48.220 videos and the story.

00:13:49.960 Yeah.

00:13:50.240 So I've, I've been talking with a couple of video guys lately about, Hey, how can we bring

00:13:55.940 you in on a more full-time basis to have you not only document what it is I'm doing and

00:14:01.180 what we're doing here, but then highlighting and featuring other people.

00:14:05.220 Uh, Josh Smith is somebody who comes to mind.

00:14:07.340 He's the founder of Montana knife company.

00:14:09.180 I'm going out there in April to do a podcast with him and we're going to be forging some

00:14:13.760 knives, but it would actually be really cool to do, you know, maybe it's a 10 minute

00:14:19.280 or a 15 minute documentary on his story about where he started and how he became one of

00:14:25.060 the youngest bladesmiths in the world at such a young age.

00:14:29.260 And then he went out and he became a lineman because that wasn't paying the bills, but he

00:14:33.000 was sick of that.

00:14:33.720 And so he transferred into, and now he's doing very, very well with Montana knife company.

00:14:38.140 That's a cool story.

00:14:39.840 And I think it warrants more attention than just an hour long podcast.

00:14:44.280 I think men would actually be very interested in this.

00:14:47.300 So maybe that's like, that could even turn into something that would be a 12 part series

00:14:52.580 that you'd see on one of these mainstream outlets of, you know, here's 12 stories of

00:14:58.780 men who started from humble beginnings and they had their fair shares of ups and downs

00:15:04.680 and we shared all of them.

00:15:05.760 And then here's where they are now.

00:15:07.820 I think a lot of guys would be interested and inspired by that.

00:15:11.640 So I think there's some media opportunities that we've, we've, I don't want to say missed,

00:15:15.360 but that we've been exploring lately that I think would add to what we're doing here.

00:15:20.800 Yeah.

00:15:21.140 That's interesting.

00:15:22.180 Well, and if there's one thing that has been really present on my mind of late is just the,

00:15:27.580 and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, the power of just being present, right?

00:15:32.820 Like it's funny is so much, it's like, you know, just relating it back to Bobby's question.

00:15:38.760 There's so much, there's danger in you going, oh, why this is where I want the, the movement

00:15:45.100 to go.

00:15:45.760 And this is the, the ultimate, you know, goal.

00:15:49.540 And sometimes when we do that, we lose the presence of the now and the opportunities

00:15:56.740 of the now sitting right in front of our lap.

00:15:59.860 And, and probably sometimes all that we need to do is not worry about where it's going and

00:16:04.440 what does ultimate success, it looks like, but just being fully engaged in the moment

00:16:09.420 and actually doing great with what we have been given.

00:16:12.860 Now, don't get me wrong because someone's going to hear that and go, oh, so Kip says,

00:16:16.960 don't have goals and don't try to, that's not what I'm saying.

00:16:19.820 I'm just, I think so much opportunities are available to us in this very moment.

00:16:25.480 And we're so busy looking at what the way it should be that we let things pass us up.

00:16:30.780 And sometimes it's just take advantage of what we have.

00:16:33.880 But this same topic is at the root of one of the most commonly asked questions we get,

00:16:38.120 which is, hey, I'm not happy with where I am.

00:16:40.720 I'm thinking about starting a business over here.

00:16:42.880 Should I?

00:16:44.100 Well, I don't, I don't know.

00:16:45.180 Like, have you maximized where you currently are?

00:16:48.200 I think about that with a podcast and I've talked about this in the past.

00:16:52.520 You know, do I go start a third podcast or do I make this one even better?

00:16:58.620 Yeah.

00:16:59.540 Right.

00:17:00.140 Making this one better from video production, to audio production, to the conversations,

00:17:06.020 to the quality of guests that we're having on, that's infinitely more valuable than just

00:17:10.920 going and starting some other mediocre third podcast that I could potentially do.

00:17:16.060 Yeah, totally.

00:17:17.000 Or start that new marriage, that new relationship, or actually just make the one I have work.

00:17:24.740 Yeah.

00:17:25.180 And make it amazing the way it is.

00:17:27.360 Right.

00:17:27.980 And guys will hear that and be like, well, not everything works out.

00:17:30.780 Yes, we know.

00:17:31.620 But I think you owe it to yourself to actually go all in on something before you go half in.

00:17:37.700 It's like Ron Swanson says, never half-ass two things, whole-ass one thing.

00:17:41.840 Right.

00:17:42.400 That's what we're talking about.

00:17:43.880 Totally.

00:17:44.340 And we, and we, even in our world, we have consultants that are like, oh, this other consulting

00:17:49.280 firm, you know, like I'll, I'll share it in an example where we had a, one of our team

00:17:55.200 members is like, you know, hey, I got this great offer from this other firm and this is

00:17:58.980 what's required of me.

00:17:59.920 And the question is like, well, are you doing that now?

00:18:03.440 Oh, you're not even doing that now.

00:18:05.020 Right.

00:18:05.400 Like, so what's going to change?

00:18:07.440 Why don't you actually just do that right now and reap the benefits of where you're at

00:18:11.380 versus like, oh, well, if I move over here, then I'll rise up.

00:18:14.720 It's a classic scenario.

00:18:16.900 You know, we, everyone thinks that circumstances determine action, right?

00:18:21.020 Oh, well, if I get that new car, then I'll take care of my car.

00:18:24.740 Right.

00:18:24.940 If I built a new house, then I'd say, no, you don't, if you're not taking care of what

00:18:28.280 you have now, if you don't respect what you have now, it's not going to be any different,

00:18:32.440 whether it's a new wife, a new car, a new job or anything else.

00:18:36.240 No, of course not.

00:18:37.640 I mean, it'll be more exciting for a little while.

00:18:40.600 Yeah.

00:18:41.240 But then it'll, you'll fall back into the same pattern, you know?

00:18:44.160 So, and then you'll have to go get the next thing to have your dopamine rush.

00:18:48.000 Well, what if you just found your dopamine rush and making your current circumstances better?

00:18:52.600 Yeah.

00:18:52.960 Amen.

00:18:53.200 All right.

00:18:54.400 Kevin Bovee, best ways to overcome years of mental and emotional gaslighting, never

00:18:59.960 being good enough.

00:19:00.940 How do, how to heal from that trauma?

00:19:05.620 I think I asked a follow-up question on this one.

00:19:09.340 Is that showing up?

00:19:10.780 Oh, you, did you save them?

00:19:12.160 Is that what you did?

00:19:12.800 Yeah, I saved them.

00:19:13.700 I'll go grab it.

00:19:14.940 Cause I asked, I think I, I think I asked from who are you being gaslighted?

00:19:20.680 Because if it depends.

00:19:22.700 Yeah.

00:19:23.200 It really does.

00:19:24.060 Because if it's somebody, you know, outside of your immediate circle, there might not be a reason that you need.

00:19:29.960 This is kind of akin to the, how do you deal with question?

00:19:33.120 If anybody asks, how do you deal with the answer is usually you don't like, how do you deal with this thing?

00:19:40.260 You don't, if that's the kind of question you're asking, but now look, if it's your wife or your boss or somebody very close to you, okay.

00:19:48.980 That's a different situation.

00:19:50.320 Do you have a pulled up there?

00:19:51.020 And Kevin, yeah.

00:19:51.940 Kevin's saying from anyone, but in my case, my soon to be ex-wife.

00:19:56.060 Yeah.

00:19:56.600 So I think, look, I don't know your situation, but it sounds like you're dealing with it.

00:20:01.220 My soon to be ex-wife.

00:20:02.680 If you have somebody who's abusing you, and I think gaslighting is psychological abuse.

00:20:08.640 Do you want to give a definition of gaslighting really quick?

00:20:13.900 So gaslighting.

00:20:15.000 So the term, if I understand correctly, the term comes from a movie and maybe the movie was Gaslight.

00:20:21.580 I don't know.

00:20:21.980 It comes from a movie where if I remember correctly, a husband or a wife kept turning down the gas lights in the house and making their partner believe they were going crazy.

00:20:37.280 They were doing that and other things.

00:20:39.400 And that's what gaslighting is, is you're saying things to make another person believe like they're the ones that's crazy.

00:20:47.580 That they're wrong.

00:20:48.280 Even though you know they're right and whatever.

00:20:50.640 That they're not even wrong.

00:20:52.120 That they're like, you and I can disagree if I say, no, Kip, you're wrong.

00:20:55.580 That's not gaslighting.

00:20:57.340 Yeah.

00:20:57.880 But if I manipulate the language.

00:21:00.600 And you're purposely making me think I'm wrong.

00:21:02.160 Yeah.

00:21:02.620 And I manipulate, look, we've all done that.

00:21:04.780 You know, like my wife will come, I'm actually pretty good at it.

00:21:08.360 So my wife will come to me and she'll say, Ryan, you know, you've been doing this thing wrong or you've been messing up on this.

00:21:14.480 And I have a very good ability of like, well, I did it because of this and I turned it back on her and that's gaslighting.

00:21:21.540 Okay.

00:21:21.940 The problem is not her, but we turn it around on that person to make them feel like they're the ones that mess up.

00:21:29.220 And that's psychological abuse.

00:21:32.780 So you're handling it soon to be ex-wife. 1.00

00:21:36.040 If that's really the case and that's really what's going on.

00:21:38.820 And I said it before I even knew that you said it was your ex-wife.

00:21:41.960 If the answer is you don't deal with it because there are people that are like that, they're insane, man.

00:21:49.920 And they try to make you feel like you are.

00:21:51.840 And it's just destructive and toxic and just consumes your time and makes you feel like garbage.

00:21:57.800 And the answer is to get yourself out of that environment and simultaneously get yourself in an environment where that isn't taking place.

00:22:09.440 So surrounding yourself, you remember the Iron Council is a great step.

00:22:13.360 Surrounding yourself with good people, with wholesome people, people who actually care about you, those who want to see you thrive and succeed and win.

00:22:21.040 And people who are willing to sacrifice on their part in order to help you win, even if that means a quick phone call or sharing some insight or taking time out of their day to serve or support you in some way.

00:22:32.540 So just like anything, if you had cancer, you're not just going to leave it there and like, oh, how does my body deal with it?

00:22:39.880 No, you aggressively cut it out of your life and you even attempt to kill other parts of your body through radiation and chemo.

00:22:48.320 So try to get rid of it.

00:22:49.180 Yeah.

00:22:49.360 Get rid of it.

00:22:50.440 Like you're so aggressive.

00:22:52.420 And in the meantime, what else are you doing?

00:22:54.420 You're eating healthy.

00:22:55.840 You're dieting.

00:22:56.960 You're getting the nutrients you need.

00:22:58.840 You're reading good books.

00:23:00.340 You're getting exposure to sunlight.

00:23:03.020 You're cutting it out and also exposing yourself to the good so that you can have both come at it from two different angles.

00:23:12.720 Ryan, one concern that I have when I would if I think through like the label of gaslighting is that some people might like and I'm not saying this is the case for this particular individual.

00:23:24.800 Right.

00:23:25.320 But but but there is a lot of opportunity during my divorce where I could easily throw in a label on she's gaslighting me.

00:23:32.900 Right.

00:23:33.340 Because I have all these reasons of of why I acted that way.

00:23:36.860 And she's not she's trying to make me wrong when reality and and really what I'm doing is just latching on being a victim and not really owning my lack of showing up correctly as a husband.

00:23:47.500 So, I mean, any thoughts on like, hey, being careful here around don't be too quick just to assume people are gaslighting and look for opportunities to own your shit, too, and make sure that, you know, you're in you you maintain your own integrity.

00:24:02.260 Well, we live in a world of false dichotomies.

00:24:04.820 So everybody thinks it's either A or B.

00:24:07.620 They won't even consider that maybe it's A plus B or A and B.

00:24:12.060 Yeah.

00:24:12.560 Like she's gaslighting me.

00:24:14.000 And you know what?

00:24:14.920 Yeah, she's probably right.

00:24:15.940 In half those statements, I, you know, I was a complete dick as a husband or whatever.

00:24:20.360 Or maybe she's not.

00:24:21.260 But maybe there's some area of improvement that's completely unrelated to this quote unquote gaslighting that you could focus on.

00:24:27.780 And there's a great quote is I'm going to paraphrase here, but never attribute to malice what could be explained as stupidity or something, something along those lines.

00:24:36.880 You know, some people like I genuinely believe, even with the amount of people, negative people that I deal with on social media, that the overwhelming majority of those people do not have malice in their heart.

00:24:50.980 Some, yes.

00:24:51.520 But the overwhelming majority of people who I would consider negative or toxic or haters are probably just either A, dumb, or they suck at delivery.

00:25:02.340 Yeah.

00:25:03.040 And so we're so quick to jump to malice.

00:25:06.360 Like, oh, this person, they're out.

00:25:07.840 Well, hold on.

00:25:08.480 Maybe they're just ignorant.

00:25:09.480 Or maybe they just really suck at delivery because they never learned how to deliver a message correctly.

00:25:15.100 So I think we can afford people some grace.

00:25:18.580 And even in an ex-wife scenario, it's like, okay, let's say that's true. 0.91

00:25:22.940 Let's say you're right.

00:25:23.500 Let's say she is gaslighting. 0.94

00:25:26.760 Okay.

00:25:27.320 Like what, like you could either look at that and be negative and hostile and, and have a bunch of vitriol in your heart.

00:25:34.900 Is that going to change that situation?

00:25:37.120 No.

00:25:37.780 Or you can just say, you know, my wife had some issues dealing as she was a child and her father or mother did the same thing to her.

00:25:46.240 And then that translates.

00:25:47.200 Now that doesn't give it an excuse.

00:25:49.320 Yeah.

00:25:49.820 But it gives you some empathy.

00:25:50.800 But it might be a reason.

00:25:51.960 An intellectual understanding of human nature is just beneficial.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.380 And then in the meantime, you know, like you said, focus on yourself.

00:26:00.520 So maybe it's, maybe it's not exclusively a, or maybe it's not exclusively B.

00:26:05.700 Maybe there's some element of truth to both.

00:26:08.400 Matt Fraser, when he was on the podcast, five-time fittest man on earth with CrossFit.

00:26:12.680 He, he said that he says, you know, I look at people who critique what I do.

00:26:16.920 And he had plenty, you know, maybe they critiqued his deadlift and they were being jerks about it.

00:26:22.760 And he said, but I, even if they were being jerks, I still looked at it.

00:26:26.080 Maybe there's actually something to it.

00:26:27.680 Should I evaluate it?

00:26:28.780 And he was, as best he could, attempted to be objective in the critique or analysis to try to improve.

00:26:35.360 And you can do the same thing here.

00:26:37.460 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 Danny Wren, what tips do you have for building stability back into your life when a lot has changed recently?

00:26:45.360 And there are many competing priorities.

00:26:47.680 So far, I've found setting up a solid morning routine has had the most significant impact on where the rest of my day goes.

00:26:53.920 I try to get three-fourths of my battle plan, all non-negotiable address before the sun rises.

00:27:00.500 But some days it feels like I'm just checking the block.

00:27:05.040 Well, and some days it is going to be that, you know, some days it's like, I don't feel like this.

00:27:09.300 I don't want to do this, but I'm just going to go anyway.

00:27:11.480 So what?

00:27:12.300 Do it anyways.

00:27:13.080 You know, we have to go through the motions sometimes, and that's okay.

00:27:16.580 I think you're doing it exactly right.

00:27:18.760 Bringing stability back into your life is a process of building systems.

00:27:23.340 And we talked about that earlier.

00:27:24.880 And that's what you're doing now.

00:27:25.840 You have a new system and plan in place where you're doing the morning routine and you're getting your objectives done,

00:27:33.100 at least 75% of them done before, you know, early in the morning.

00:27:37.780 There's one other thing I would suggest to you.

00:27:39.880 Maybe you're already doing this, but couple that morning plan with your evening session, your evening wind down.

00:27:47.480 So what you're going to do is you're going to get your battle plan out.

00:27:49.720 And I got mine right here.

00:27:50.580 It's always within arm's reach of me.

00:27:53.660 And I did my planning this morning.

00:27:55.380 And tonight, before I close my eyes, always within arm's reach.

00:28:00.000 Like if you go to the bathroom, bring that with you.

00:28:01.940 Well, it's on my phone.

00:28:02.940 When I have all that stuff on my phone, I mean, this one might not be, I mean, always, I mean, that's, I've got it on my phone too, man.

00:28:10.940 And that phone, that's closer to the phone always comes to the bathroom. 0.95

00:28:14.620 That's why that's why 30 minutes later, I got to go to the bathroom.

00:28:18.780 Of course.

00:28:19.360 I mean, I write these things down.

00:28:20.500 I have notes in my, on my, on my daily tabs and my notebook on my phone.

00:28:25.120 So yeah, it's like my planning is always within arm's reach.

00:28:29.180 Okay.

00:28:30.520 So back to it.

00:28:32.940 Before I so rudely interrupted, uh, evening routine, questioning me.

00:28:37.400 Yeah.

00:28:37.700 No evening routine.

00:28:39.320 Uh, if you couple your morning routine with an evening routine, man, you're going to be powerful.

00:28:44.000 So what you do is you go through and you, all right, here's what I did.

00:28:47.180 Here's what I didn't do.

00:28:48.340 Here's what I need to do tomorrow.

00:28:50.100 Here's what's changed throughout the day.

00:28:51.780 That maybe makes that something that either doesn't need to be done or we already addressed it by, you know, addressing something else.

00:28:59.300 Like things change throughout the day.

00:29:01.100 And if you couple a morning routine with an evening routine and you do that day in and day out, man, you're going to be unstoppable.

00:29:07.340 And then also the other unintended benefit of this is you're going to be more able to adjust with things that happen in your life.

00:29:16.960 Cause there's a lot of, we're talking about earlier.

00:29:19.520 Right.

00:29:20.000 There's a lot of unforeseens.

00:29:21.440 And if you're so rigid in your planning, cause you're like, I plan once a month.

00:29:25.540 And then I look at it at the end of the month.

00:29:27.580 It's like, well, bro, a lot can happen in 30 days.

00:29:30.680 But if you take out your planner and you look at all the things you need to get done and then something comes up, you're like, oh, okay.

00:29:36.420 Um, you know, before this becomes a problem, I'm going to cancel that meeting.

00:29:39.780 I'm going to shift this here.

00:29:40.780 I'm going to change that there.

00:29:41.700 I'm going to tweak and adjust this.

00:29:42.900 And I'm going to add this right here.

00:29:44.340 Good to go.

00:29:45.840 No, no issue whatsoever.

00:29:47.480 So morning, evening routine, execute, adjust as necessary.

00:29:52.980 Excellent.

00:29:53.700 Uh, Jenkins, he actually had a similar question.

00:29:55.960 So I'm just jumping down to his, anything you would add here based upon his question.

00:29:59.640 What are each of your morning and evening routines and how they, how they have helped you achieving success?

00:30:06.440 Um, my, my morning routine is getting up and exercising.

00:30:10.800 It usually it's jujitsu three days a week in the morning.

00:30:15.520 Um, outside of that, it might be a bike ride or a walk or throwing the weights around, but it's, it's getting up.

00:30:22.760 It's doing that.

00:30:23.900 Uh, and then, you know, I get ready, spend time with the family.

00:30:27.700 We have slacked admittedly on our family meeting.

00:30:29.980 So I talked to my wife last night about that.

00:30:32.580 We're actually going to be implementing that family meeting every morning again, because we've been slacking on that one as we both got busy and life just has come at us.

00:30:40.860 We've, we've not done that, unfortunately.

00:30:44.400 Uh, and then, yeah, from there, it's just getting ready.

00:30:46.860 And then I, I come to my, my battle planning.

00:30:49.060 It takes me about, I don't know, 10 minutes, 15 minutes tops, if that, and then I work hard until it's time to close out the day.

00:31:00.340 Yeah.

00:31:00.840 The, the one thing that has been, what's in my battle plan this quarter is, uh, no social media want to get home.

00:31:08.160 And so, and yeah, from work.

00:31:11.660 And, and so the whole premise is just to be present with my kids.

00:31:15.540 Right.

00:31:15.940 And not to be distracted, right.

00:31:17.480 Back to kind of what we're talking about earlier, just been really present on my mind about the importance of presence.

00:31:22.140 And so I've done that before in the past, it was huge success.

00:31:25.360 It really helped.

00:31:26.600 Um, it does, it does make me more frustrated with other people when they're on their phone.

00:31:32.220 Um, really easy to judge people.

00:31:33.720 Oh, when you see them on the phone.

00:31:35.100 Yeah.

00:31:35.500 Yeah, totally.

00:31:36.300 But, um, yeah, but that's, that would be on.

00:31:39.500 And Matt knows this, like, you know, I have non-negotiable every morning to work out.

00:31:43.220 So, um, and it's, and when I miss that and I try to squeeze it in later in the day, it's never a really good idea.

00:31:50.100 So, um, I don't know how people work out in the, I, I, there's a lot of people who do, I'm not going to work out.

00:31:56.620 I know, unless it's jujitsu, I know I'm not going to go train anything else at night.

00:32:02.620 I'm done.

00:32:03.240 I'm tired.

00:32:03.820 I don't want to go.

00:32:04.320 I hate lifting weights.

00:32:05.780 It's harder.

00:32:06.440 It's not a fun thing for me.

00:32:08.580 Yeah.

00:32:09.020 So it really is.

00:32:10.620 Oh, no, I think he asked about evening routine.

00:32:13.220 Yeah.

00:32:14.740 It's the same.

00:32:15.740 Really.

00:32:16.260 You know, I'm going to spend time with the family.

00:32:18.660 We're going to play around.

00:32:19.740 We always eat dinner.

00:32:20.900 We're not always kid, because I know you're going to ask, but you always not always eat dinner, but 80% of the evenings we're eating dinner together.

00:32:31.640 Yeah.

00:32:31.960 Uh, and, and that's important.

00:32:33.960 We ask about each other's day.

00:32:35.300 We joke and laugh and play and have fun, um, tease each other a little bit.

00:32:40.280 You know, it's like, we have a good time at dinner.

00:32:41.940 And then after that, it's usually playing games.

00:32:46.160 You know, we might play some board games or, you know, or something, or we might watch like America's funniest videos.

00:32:50.940 We do that.

00:32:51.780 Uh, and then, yeah, put the kids down. 0.99

00:32:56.620 My wife and I spend some time together.

00:32:58.420 I've already gone through my plan.

00:32:59.920 I go through my battle planner before I close it down for the day.

00:33:03.060 So that when I'm home, I'm fully home and present.

00:33:07.260 And that's pretty much our evening plan.

00:33:09.620 Let's copy.

00:33:11.420 Michael Cole, discussing God and your faith with teenage kids without sounding preachy and turning them off.

00:33:18.720 Might be a great man in the making episode as well.

00:33:21.800 I'd love to hear Brecken state on, uh, Brecken's take on this.

00:33:25.220 More specifically, how do you discuss how faith and the service to God can and should play a daily role in the lives of our teens?

00:33:33.500 I struggle with my 17 year old daughter with this one.

00:33:37.740 Yeah, I think, well, the first thing is example, but that's kind of the kindergarten answer, right?

00:33:43.020 Is yeah, you got to set the example, be the example.

00:33:45.660 We all know that anything you say is not going to work if you're not the example first.

00:33:49.560 Right.

00:33:50.040 So be the example and then look for teaching moments.

00:33:53.040 Uh, I'm, I'm spiritual and somewhat religious, but I have a, I have a hard time with religious,

00:34:02.360 like overly religious people.

00:34:05.320 It's hard for me because I don't know why actually why it is, but when I hear it, it turns me off.

00:34:13.160 I'm like, Oh, like your answer is like, that's, that's your, that's your answer for everything.

00:34:19.360 I don't know.

00:34:19.980 It just seems like it lacks depth or thought process.

00:34:23.780 And maybe that's not fair.

00:34:25.700 Again, I'm just thinking out loud here.

00:34:27.660 Maybe they really have put a lot of thought and effort into it.

00:34:30.380 Yeah.

00:34:30.580 But if your answer is always, well, you should pray about it.

00:34:33.560 I'm like, okay.

00:34:35.760 Like, yeah, I got it.

00:34:37.700 You should pray it.

00:34:38.460 Like, give me something like, what else do you have?

00:34:41.160 You know?

00:34:41.720 And so I can feel, you say your daughter, I can feel her frustration when everything's like,

00:34:48.640 well, have you asked God yet?

00:34:50.600 Have you prayed about it yet?

00:34:51.900 Have you?

00:34:52.360 It's like, yeah.

00:34:53.480 Yeah.

00:34:53.820 And what else?

00:34:54.740 Like, what else should I be doing?

00:34:56.180 And, and I've talked about this too, is even though I'm a, I'm a spiritual man, I'm faithful.

00:35:01.680 Um, I think we put too much responsibility on his shoulders.

00:35:06.840 I think that's our, that's our D I think religious and spiritual people, and they're different,

00:35:11.140 right?

00:35:11.520 Religious and spiritual, or they could be the same.

00:35:13.900 You could be spiritual and religious.

00:35:16.120 I think they put too much weight on God's shoulders.

00:35:19.420 He can handle it.

00:35:20.140 No doubt.

00:35:20.720 But like, what about you?

00:35:24.040 Like, what are you going to do?

00:35:25.960 Yeah.

00:35:26.440 You know, and that's, yeah.

00:35:28.240 I mean, that's what I struggle with is people like, if it's God's will, he'll do it.

00:35:32.960 Well, God's will is for you to be fulfilled that we already know that.

00:35:37.780 Like, there's no guesswork in that.

00:35:39.520 He wants that for you.

00:35:40.620 Just like you want that for your kids.

00:35:42.580 Like, it would never be a question.

00:35:44.180 I don't want what's in the best interest of my children.

00:35:47.580 The question is, how do we make it so?

00:35:51.000 And so everybody's like, well, if it's a God, God's will, and you're, you're almost like

00:35:55.080 painting it as if God is up there, you know, waving his, his magic wand and making L of

00:36:01.840 your wildest dreams come true.

00:36:03.300 And all the while he's sitting up there, man, I really wonder when Ryan's going to take

00:36:08.080 all those blessings I've given to him and really put those into practice.

00:36:11.360 So now you're just sitting around waiting on each other.

00:36:14.800 Like, yeah.

00:36:15.260 So I, I guess the re again, I'm, I'm thinking out loud here.

00:36:18.960 Cause I do, I do grow tired of the religious fervor at times.

00:36:24.860 Um, but what I would say is live the life that you best know how, and then try to explain

00:36:31.120 things both spiritually and temporally.

00:36:34.780 So you can explain a phenomenon about life in a spiritual perspective, but there's also

00:36:39.960 a temporal answer to that too.

00:36:42.260 You know, like, why would you want to live the 10 commandments so you can return to live 0.87

00:36:46.280 with God, have eternal life?

00:36:47.760 Yeah.

00:36:48.660 Valid.

00:36:49.860 And also you're, you're going to live a more fulfilled life.

00:36:54.080 You're going to be happier.

00:36:55.740 You're, you're going to be more successful.

00:36:58.080 You're going to be a joy to be around.

00:37:00.020 People are going to want to spend time with you.

00:37:02.140 You're going to find meaning and purpose and satisfaction in your life.

00:37:05.400 You're probably going to work harder.

00:37:07.340 You're going to have a more meaningful career.

00:37:09.260 Those are all temporal pursuits.

00:37:12.260 And, you know, some people that's going to appeal more than the religious or the spiritual

00:37:17.460 side of things.

00:37:19.080 Yeah.

00:37:20.040 Well, and we know how, we know how people learn, right?

00:37:22.940 Right.

00:37:23.260 It's like you've used the analogy of, you know, kid needs to take out the trash and he can't

00:37:30.120 reach the garbage can, or there's something in the way you don't just swoop in and like,

00:37:34.740 Oh, let me address this for you.

00:37:35.900 It's like, Oh, great learning opportunity.

00:37:37.780 What are you going to do?

00:37:39.460 How are you going to push through?

00:37:40.900 Right.

00:37:41.080 That's how we learn.

00:37:42.520 And, and if we're just sitting back and like letting God act on us, it's not how we work.

00:37:48.660 I mean, it's not how we learn.

00:37:50.000 Right.

00:37:50.520 And I don't think that relationship with God's any different.

00:37:53.440 I think he expects you to bust your ass and figure it out.

00:37:57.100 Now I'm not saying you don't give credit where credit's due.

00:38:01.780 But in the same breath, I think God intended us to figure out a whole lot more than what

00:38:06.200 people, some people believe he has given us the freedom and the agency to figure out.

00:38:13.180 Well, and it has to be, it has to be because if God's given you everything and there's a,

00:38:19.260 there's like a predetermined path that you are incapable of deviating from, then your experience

00:38:27.420 here means nothing.

00:38:29.480 It means absolutely nothing.

00:38:32.300 But if you make those choices, those good, positive, wholesome choices that are going to

00:38:37.740 serve you and other people well, and you make those choices of your own will, that is what

00:38:43.900 means something like you can't, it, you can't be courageous if you know, you're, you're forced

00:38:52.000 to do something like forced to forced to do some courageous act.

00:38:56.980 Right.

00:38:57.140 People say, oh, that's courageous.

00:38:58.260 It's like, well, no, I was kind of like forced to do it.

00:39:00.020 I had to get out of that situation or whatever.

00:39:01.980 Right.

00:39:03.180 Like courage comes from having fear and there being risk, but you doing it anyways, and then

00:39:08.780 you, you doing it in spite of it.

00:39:10.840 Then it's the same thing with our spiritual path.

00:39:13.900 If you're coerced or manipulated or forced into that path, it isn't, it isn't virtuous.

00:39:21.960 Like you were forced to do it.

00:39:23.580 What's virtuous is knowing that there's risk and there's challenge and there's temptation.

00:39:28.440 And then, but you still made a good decision in the face of all that's virtue.

00:39:34.240 So to go back to his question, what would you, what, what about to a daughter, live the example,

00:39:39.240 talk about the benefits from both the spiritual and temporal perspective.

00:39:42.020 Um, and then look for those opportunities for teaching moments so that you're not doing

00:39:46.620 a sermon from the pulpit.

00:39:48.660 It's like, you know, you had a, it's just integrated in life.

00:39:52.120 Yeah.

00:39:52.580 Yeah.

00:39:52.940 Let's say you get into a car accident and, and, and you, you, you got, you and your daughter

00:39:59.500 walked away unscathed.

00:40:00.700 Man, that's a great opportunity to say, here's how I look at that.

00:40:05.100 I see it from both the spiritual and, and, uh, um, like the temporal perspective is like,

00:40:11.700 okay, well, God protected us in the moment.

00:40:14.060 He wanted to keep us safe.

00:40:15.140 And also God made some really smart engineers who diligently worked hard, who designed the

00:40:24.580 roads, who built the cars in order that when we rolled over three or four times, the car

00:40:32.000 maintained its integrity and we were able to walk away from that crash.

00:40:37.540 And so I'm grateful that God protected us in the moment.

00:40:39.760 And I'm also grateful that he made some really smart people with some talents that utilize

00:40:45.180 those talents to save people's lives.

00:40:48.080 I'm grateful for that.

00:40:49.820 You know, like that's the pragmatic approach and the spiritual approach.

00:40:53.540 And then you talk about it in the moment and you bring those things up.

00:40:56.700 Yeah.

00:40:58.640 Alan Placer would love to hear your, your, uh, hear you discuss your IG posts getting pulled

00:41:04.440 and what men need to do to help change the narrative individually.

00:41:07.600 The post that he's talking about is the return to masculinity.

00:41:11.720 Yeah.

00:41:12.400 So, um, actually I think the post that he was talking about was, I said something about men

00:41:20.460 being male and women being female. 0.58

00:41:22.580 Yeah.

00:41:23.540 And Instagram took it down.

00:41:25.500 And so I just, I just posted it again.

00:41:28.240 I'm like, no, I'm post this again.

00:41:30.100 And then Instagram took it down again.

00:41:32.760 And, and so I, I sent a review and I was like, okay, like, I want you to explain.

00:41:37.580 To me why this is goes against your rules and why this is harmful is what they said or

00:41:44.480 her harassment or harmful, whatever the verbiage was.

00:41:47.060 Yeah.

00:41:47.500 And so they reviewed it and they came back.

00:41:49.020 They're like, oh, we actually put your post back up because it didn't go against our guidelines,

00:41:52.320 which leads me to believe that it wasn't Instagram that automatically took it down.

00:41:57.760 It was not even someone.

00:41:58.840 It was a group of people who probably complained about the post and were upset about it and

00:42:07.260 reported it as harmful or harassment.

00:42:10.060 And Instagram said, well, enough people have complained about this.

00:42:12.560 It must be.

00:42:13.440 And so they just deleted it and waited for me to review it.

00:42:16.080 Hmm.

00:42:16.920 Okay.

00:42:17.800 Like that's a problem.

00:42:19.220 Like not only is what I said unequivocally true that a man is first a male and a woman 0.86

00:42:25.060 is first a female.

00:42:27.080 Like if, even if you don't believe that, which is insane, like certifiably insane.

00:42:34.180 Even if you don't believe that the fact that you report it as harmful or harassment or

00:42:42.060 bullying, like you're doing the, by reporting it, falsely reporting something is that you're

00:42:48.040 doing the exact same thing that you're complaining about.

00:42:51.460 And I don't understand why somebody would be on my page.

00:42:56.920 Follow clear.

00:42:58.040 I've been talking about this for seven years.

00:43:00.960 There's, there's no reason you should even be following me at this point.

00:43:05.480 So I think that's what post he was referring to.

00:43:08.000 And I had made that post in, um, in, uh, the iron council and said, I'm frustrated because

00:43:13.540 like we, we need to return to masculinity.

00:43:16.660 We need to be harnessing masculinity. 0.92

00:43:19.280 Uh, and that's actually what I'm covering in my book.

00:43:21.760 That's coming out in the fall is I'm talking about how masculinity can be harnessed and utilized

00:43:27.820 for productive outcomes.

00:43:28.980 We shouldn't be mocking it, undermining it, dismissing it, demonizing, villainizing.

00:43:34.060 We shouldn't be embracing it.

00:43:35.700 And then teaching our sons, uh, how to harness it and teaching our daughters, how to acknowledge

00:43:42.080 and recognize and appreciate it.

00:43:44.420 And so what was Alan's question?

00:43:47.280 How do you change the narrative?

00:43:49.340 Yeah.

00:43:49.460 Like how, you know, would love, uh, what men need to do to help change the narrative individually.

00:43:55.560 What men, well, the first thing, this goes to the example thing.

00:43:59.320 The first thing we need to do is we need to make sure that we are indeed harnessing masculinity

00:44:04.180 for productive outcomes.

00:44:05.880 Yeah.

00:44:06.520 Because if you're using masculinity to hurt people or to prop yourself up at the expense

00:44:12.460 of others, that's an issue.

00:44:14.280 And, and of course, you know, for example, a woman who's been physically or sexually abused

00:44:19.460 by a man is naturally going to be skeptical around men.

00:44:24.140 Like, why would she not be?

00:44:26.160 Yeah.

00:44:26.700 Of course she's going to be that way.

00:44:27.960 So what we need to do is ensure that we are living our lives correctly, that we're using

00:44:33.520 aggression and dominance and stoicism and competitiveness and self-respect and the ability

00:44:39.800 to tell the truth and take risks and be courageous that we're using those for productive ways for

00:44:45.860 ourselves and for other people.

00:44:47.460 Cause if we're not, they're always going to be skeptical about it.

00:44:50.440 And then the next thing that we need to do is we need to share.

00:44:53.080 We need to get to rat around other masculine men. 1.00

00:44:55.960 We need to be doing an engaged in masculine behavior. 1.00

00:44:58.980 We need to invite them to be engaged in masculine behavior. 1.00

00:45:02.560 And we also need to reject the repulsive gender ideology that we're seeing in modern culture. 0.99

00:45:10.000 Collectively, we need to reject that.

00:45:11.740 We need to be vocal about it and reject it.

00:45:14.640 You know, I saw a story the other day.

00:45:15.960 In fact, I made this post on Instagram too, that there is a camp, a science camp in California.

00:45:22.160 And after the fact, the parents found out that the camp allowed what they called,

00:45:28.060 what do they call them?

00:45:29.420 Non-binary male.

00:45:30.760 Non-binary something.

00:45:32.180 It was way, it was worse than that.

00:45:33.920 It was like non, I got to pull it up because it was like, what?

00:45:39.380 Hold on.

00:45:40.980 Now you guys all understand why Ryan's so angry.

00:45:44.840 You got to see it too.

00:45:45.980 Oh, here it is.

00:45:46.580 Non-binary biological male counselors allowed to sleep in fifth grade girls' cabins at science camp.

00:45:54.580 And I said, here, let me fix the title of that.

00:45:57.780 And I wrote, what did I write?

00:46:00.000 Like, gender confused males hang out with fifth grader girls.

00:46:06.340 It's not even that.

00:46:07.560 It's, no, it's worse, bro.

00:46:08.880 It's worse than that.

00:46:10.140 So here's what I wrote.

00:46:13.960 Men, like you don't need to say non-binary, cisgender, confused, like no, men allowed to sleep in the same room as your daughters at camp.

00:46:22.920 If that's what's happening, months ago, there was a young girl who was raped.

00:46:31.940 In a school bathroom by a boy who was pretending to be a girl because he was allowed to be in that bathroom because of this woke ideology is dangerous.

00:46:47.880 Maybe even to a lesser degree, women's sports within the next five years will be decimated, decimated, absolutely destroyed. 1.00

00:47:00.740 You ladies.

00:47:01.320 And look, with this college swimmer or whatever, I don't even know, Leanne Thompson or Leanne Thompson or Leanne Thompson, whatever it is, you know, she just, no, he, excuse me, he just won or broke some state pool records or something, whatever.

00:47:18.200 And, and the women in the Ivy league schools are complaining about it, but they're doing it anonymously. 1.00

00:47:26.740 Okay.

00:47:27.140 That's the problem.

00:47:28.880 Wake up.

00:47:30.440 Like be vocal.

00:47:31.780 Don't hide behind a fake name.

00:47:33.580 Put your name on it.

00:47:34.780 Oh, well, Ryan, there's a risk.

00:47:36.020 Yeah.

00:47:36.460 Right.

00:47:37.320 There's a risk.

00:47:38.960 And if you don't do it, then you're going to lose.

00:47:41.780 You're going to lose.

00:47:44.320 And so to come back to Alan's question, what do we need to do to change the narrative?

00:47:48.020 Ensure that we're harnessing masculinity for productive outcomes and that we're being vocal about the need and the importance for masculinity.

00:47:55.180 And then we're backing up those words with our own deeds and action.

00:47:59.540 Yeah.

00:48:00.200 And, and I would even suggest, Ryan, let me know if you agree is, is probably even get out into.

00:48:08.820 Groups that you may not necessarily be in.

00:48:10.900 I'm just thinking like, how great would it be if more masculine men were part of PTA or as coaching girls, basketball teams were part of these community social groups that, that they need, like those groups need your presence.

00:48:27.620 They need to see what masculinity looks like, not just in your home.

00:48:32.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:48:32.520 That's the priority.

00:48:34.220 And that's what's most important, but it's these other areas that need that, that needs to be more visible than it is today.

00:48:40.740 Right.

00:48:41.220 I think one of the greatest things that's lacking in society is masculine courage. 0.63

00:48:48.440 It is, you know, and people will say, well, I'm courageous for doing this.

00:48:51.720 I'm correct.

00:48:52.240 Well, you're courageous for what?

00:48:53.440 Saying what everybody else is saying, parodying what everybody else, you think that's courageous?

00:48:58.160 Oh, I see.

00:48:59.020 Being encouraged, having courageous around standing for masculinity.

00:49:03.560 Yes.

00:49:04.560 Yeah.

00:49:04.840 And standing up against some of the things that we see in society.

00:49:07.560 Oh, well, Ryan, you know, I just want to be left alone.

00:49:10.260 So do I.

00:49:12.180 I just want to be left alone.

00:49:14.460 But that's, I shouldn't have a, I shouldn't have a job.

00:49:18.380 Okay.

00:49:19.140 Order of men should not be a thing that's needed in society.

00:49:23.220 It should not, but it is.

00:49:26.620 And I'm grateful that I'm in a position that I can help spearhead this movement, but it shouldn't be a movement.

00:49:32.300 It should just be so common sense and so widely practiced that if anybody said, I'm going to start a men's movement, everybody would laugh because it's just not needed. 0.50

00:49:41.780 And all you guys are sitting around and you're reaping the benefits of what we're doing, but you're not actually being vocal.

00:49:49.280 You're not sharing.

00:49:50.440 You're not getting involved, like you said, in PTA or sports or community service.

00:49:54.900 You're not stepping up.

00:49:55.980 You're not writing books.

00:49:57.000 You're not writing blogs.

00:49:58.100 You're not sharing on social media.

00:50:00.600 And when somebody else says something great, sure, you'll leave them a little like on their comments or you'll leave a review, but you're not doing anything.

00:50:06.920 How are you supporting what we're doing here?

00:50:11.380 By liking my Instagram post?

00:50:13.200 I don't want you to do that.

00:50:14.940 I want you to go run for city council.

00:50:17.280 I want you to go sit on your school board.

00:50:19.300 I want you to coach your son's baseball team.

00:50:21.420 That's what I want you to do.

00:50:23.100 And when enough of us do that and then we band together because we are going to be more courageous when we're banded together, then things will change.

00:50:29.920 And if we keep being silent and saying, I just want to be left alone or wait till the silent majority wakes up or all this other nonsense that we like to say, then we can expect much of the same.

00:50:41.900 And Alan brought up a good point.

00:50:43.180 You know, he did say something and I've really pondered and thought about this.

00:50:48.200 He said, you know, Ryan, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you know, something to the effect of if you change, you know, the way that you say it, then people will be more receptive.

00:50:59.580 Again, I'm paraphrasing.

00:51:00.780 And I thought it was an interesting point.

00:51:03.140 I still disagree with it because it doesn't matter how I say things.

00:51:09.100 There's always going to be somebody who's upset about it.

00:51:13.320 Meaning you won't ever, if you're trying not to make someone upset, then you're never going to say anything.

00:51:18.660 Right.

00:51:19.020 And I think what he was saying is, hey, maybe offer that hand and see if you can bridge the gap.

00:51:23.240 And I can appreciate that thought.

00:51:25.260 It just doesn't work.

00:51:26.880 Like there's, I've, I've been in, well, with this podcast for seven years, you know, people, there's people who just hate what I do.

00:51:35.340 They just hate it.

00:51:36.380 They despise it.

00:51:37.140 They despise me for no good reason.

00:51:39.260 Outside of that, I've been to war, man.

00:51:41.640 There's, there's evil.

00:51:42.780 There's people who want to see you die in the most horrific, horrible ways.

00:51:47.080 Like no, no words can, can smooth that over.

00:51:51.720 You know what smooths that over?

00:51:53.740 Bold, courageous, capable men who have the capability of putting that shit to an end.

00:51:59.380 And so I, I told Alan, I said, hey, look, you know, like there's, there's, I said that there's no amount of words that are, there's no right words that can change this.

00:52:09.560 But what I intend to do is to use my words to rally enough of us together who believe in this, where we start to affect change because we can't be ignored.

00:52:18.400 So words are powerful and words can mend.

00:52:22.300 Sure.

00:52:23.540 But if people aren't interested in mending, then I'm going to rally people around my words so that we can actually do something about it.

00:52:30.280 Because what we're seeing now is dangerous.

00:52:32.480 It's, you know, who it's dangerous to women. 1.00

00:52:37.620 It's dangerous to the very people who that side, that ideology says they're trying to protect.

00:52:46.340 That's who it's dangerous to.

00:52:48.640 And we as men have an obligation to protect our women.

00:52:53.940 And I'm going to keep fighting for it.

00:52:57.920 There's your call to action.

00:52:59.240 We should have saved that question for the last.

00:53:00.740 That was a good way to wrap up, but more questions.

00:53:04.180 Bobby, Joe, Joe, man, Bobby, sorry, man.

00:53:08.800 Jova Novick.

00:53:10.500 Best ways of dealing with a toxic co-parent when their behavior starts to affect the chill, the child.

00:53:16.680 How do you best support the child without slamming the other parent?

00:53:21.240 Look, I mean, we answered it.

00:53:23.640 Look, I told you.

00:53:24.940 I didn't know this question came up.

00:53:26.640 What was the, how did the question start?

00:53:28.280 What was the first five words?

00:53:30.180 Best ways of dealing with a toxic co-parent.

00:53:33.240 How do you deal with?

00:53:34.380 I talked about it 20 minutes ago.

00:53:37.860 How do you do?

00:53:38.840 The answer is you don't.

00:53:41.640 You don't.

00:53:43.080 Okay.

00:53:43.520 So here's the formula.

00:53:46.420 Establish boundaries.

00:53:48.300 Hey, the way you're behaving.

00:53:50.380 I don't appreciate the way these people are behaving.

00:53:52.400 I don't appreciate what they're doing around my children or whatever this and that.

00:53:56.020 Okay.

00:53:56.360 This is a co-parent.

00:53:57.400 He said.

00:53:58.580 Yeah.

00:53:59.280 So I'm assuming ex-wife, right?

00:54:00.940 Or mother of his children.

00:54:02.380 Okay.

00:54:03.720 Establish boundaries.

00:54:05.380 Communicate those boundaries.

00:54:06.660 Hey, here's the way that we're going to communicate.

00:54:08.980 Here's the way that we're going to work.

00:54:10.600 Here's the way that we're going to do this and then uphold the boundaries legally.

00:54:14.920 If you have to, in this situation, because you have to protect the rights of your children

00:54:19.160 as well.

00:54:19.700 Hey, you were doing this.

00:54:21.400 I will not tolerate that.

00:54:22.800 We agreed upon these rules and you're not doing it.

00:54:25.300 And there's consequences to not doing that.

00:54:27.500 Now you can have that conversation with your ex-wife or the mother of your children without 0.59

00:54:32.740 throwing her under the bus to your kids. 0.55

00:54:35.180 You can absolutely do that because that those are, those are two distinct and separate things.

00:54:40.600 And when you're talking with your kids, you just explain life and you be an example and

00:54:46.100 you show up because here's what's going to happen.

00:54:47.720 I don't know how old your kids are, but let's say they're fairly young now.

00:54:50.900 They may not fully understand, but I can assure you that over time, if they see you as the

00:54:58.160 parent who's engaged and loving and offers discipline in an empathetic and compassionate

00:55:04.140 way, um, who helps them grow, like they're going to see that.

00:55:09.720 And then they're going to have some confusion about why mom's words and behaviors aren't

00:55:14.940 in alignment with yours.

00:55:15.940 Who do you think that they're going to see through all of that?

00:55:21.580 They're going to see you.

00:55:23.640 And so one other thing you need to be careful of is undermining your ability to influence

00:55:28.540 them.

00:55:29.920 This is what a lot of men, bitter men will do.

00:55:33.220 They're so bitter and contentious and, and the hostility and vitriol they have towards

00:55:39.340 their spouse or their ex is like, it's so bad that they end up doing, they're saying something

00:55:46.200 dumb that undermines their ability to be influential with their kids.

00:55:51.120 So you need to be cordial.

00:55:53.980 You need to be respectful.

00:55:55.160 You can have those hardline stances and you can communicate those, but you can do it in

00:55:59.160 tactful way so that you can still maintain influence with your kids.

00:56:03.020 And in the meantime, you work with a family court system and you also, if you have the

00:56:07.700 means, you get behind organizations that are working to reform the family court system.

00:56:13.580 Uh, Greg Ellis, uh, wrote a book called the respondent and he's got a great organization.

00:56:18.580 He's got a great nonprofit that's working on helping reform the family court system.

00:56:25.640 I did a pod, I did two podcasts with him.

00:56:27.320 Go back and listen.

00:56:28.260 Cause they're really, really good.

00:56:29.380 His book's good.

00:56:30.180 And his organization's even better.

00:56:33.480 Pretty cool.

00:56:34.860 I, it's not, well, it's related to the question, but I, I, I would like to riff on it.

00:56:40.140 Cause I think it's so critical, you know, cause some guys may hear this and it's like, well,

00:56:44.180 you know, right.

00:56:45.660 My, my, my spouse isn't toxic, right?

00:56:48.280 We're just, we lack alignment a little bit and whatever.

00:56:51.900 And this past week, for whatever reason, this has been really on my mind.

00:56:56.540 And, and it's ironic how often when mom and dad are not in alignment, you will naturally,

00:57:04.340 and I would argue this, you will naturally get one parent almost generating, um, this

00:57:13.640 an ultimatums between the children and them.

00:57:17.860 If that makes sense.

00:57:18.880 So when mom and dad are not aligned, then one of those spouses will eventually be like, 0.96

00:57:23.740 was, is it the kids or is it me?

00:57:25.240 And, and you will create not just inconsistency messages to your children, but it creates a

00:57:32.460 divide in your marriage as well, because when you're not aligned, it's like, well, is it

00:57:37.400 the kids or is it me?

00:57:38.320 Right?

00:57:38.540 Like, is there a priority here?

00:57:39.980 And that could be very, very dangerous.

00:57:42.100 And so I would like to suggest that even if this, it's not a quote unquote toxic spouse

00:57:48.160 or co-parent or whatever, that alignment is super critical for the health of your relationship.

00:57:54.920 I agree.

00:57:55.960 And, and the best way to get aligned is to talk.

00:58:00.240 Yeah.

00:58:00.960 That stupid, calm communication.

00:58:03.360 Sorry, guys.

00:58:04.360 So you got to talk to people.

00:58:05.720 You got to talk to your wife.

00:58:06.820 If you feel yourself getting out of alignment, like I told you earlier, you know, we're getting

00:58:11.540 back on the family thing.

00:58:12.700 Like just talk, talk, not talk about dumb, trivial things.

00:58:17.220 Like talk about real issues.

00:58:19.160 Hey, how do you think it's going with the kids?

00:58:20.840 Where are we falling short?

00:58:22.060 Where can we improve?

00:58:23.320 Hey, I feel like over the past couple of months, we've grown distant from each other.

00:58:26.960 Can we do something about that?

00:58:28.260 Maybe we should go on a date.

00:58:29.300 Maybe we should get on a little getaway.

00:58:31.540 Am I not appreciating or respecting you the way you'd like to?

00:58:35.400 And also I'm not feeling like I get the respect that I deserve from you.

00:58:39.100 And here's what I would like to see.

00:58:41.060 Talk about these things so you can align yourselves.

00:58:44.540 Yeah.

00:58:45.300 All right, man.

00:58:45.860 Let's take one more.

00:58:47.220 Okay.

00:58:48.140 Evan Berwick, I want to unify my various side hustles and goals under one banner.

00:58:53.180 What are some tips and tricks for branding different products and services under one

00:58:57.460 new idea and direction?

00:58:59.140 Now you asked him a question about specifically around his scenario.

00:59:03.500 His response to you was freelance graphic design and apparel company focused on giving

00:59:08.760 back to the working dogs.

00:59:10.640 I am shifting to focus on real freedom, anti-tyrant, and a community of extremely loyal Americans.

00:59:16.140 I think those are perfectly in line.

00:59:20.280 Graphic design and a t-shirt apparel company.

00:59:23.280 And it sounds like you give a percentage of your profits maybe back to this nonprofit that

00:59:27.180 either you're connected with or that you've started is what I'm gathering.

00:59:30.640 Is that what you gather?

00:59:31.160 Totally.

00:59:31.520 Totally.

00:59:31.900 Totally.

00:59:32.800 Yeah.

00:59:33.280 I think they're in a great, great alignment.

00:59:35.780 I would be careful.

00:59:38.560 Why do side hustles have to be aligned under one banner?

00:59:42.200 I don't think they do, but I think it might create some more efficiency depending on what

00:59:48.640 the side hustles are.

00:59:49.120 It's a little easier.

00:59:50.360 Yeah.

00:59:50.640 Yeah.

00:59:51.220 Yeah.

00:59:51.800 And I, and I think with the graphic design, the t-shirt apparel and the nonprofit attached

00:59:55.980 to it, I think you can create something that will allow you to grow your business, but then

01:00:03.720 in return contribute more to the nonprofit.

01:00:08.040 But the nonprofit should be an ancillary of your business itself, because you're talking

01:00:14.500 about working dogs, I think is what he said.

01:00:17.740 And if you make it centered all around that, then you're cutting yourself off to potential

01:00:22.980 graphic design opportunities that aren't related to the veteran community or LEO community

01:00:28.120 or working dog community.

01:00:30.180 And so you're, you're, you're selling yourself short on that.

01:00:32.600 So what I would do is I would create the, a graphic design company and do your t-shirts

01:00:38.720 that makes total sense, right?

01:00:40.880 So now you design your own t-shirts that people can buy, or if they're interested, you can do

01:00:45.440 a design so they can go out and do their own shirts.

01:00:47.340 Or maybe you actually have a fulfillment center and a print shop where now you do the graphic

01:00:53.180 design and you do the printing and you do the fulfillment, man, there's a ton of opportunities

01:00:58.460 that you have just in those little things right there.

01:01:01.860 Oh, and by the way, we are heavily involved in a nonprofit.

01:01:06.140 So you make shirts for firefighters and police officers and military members, you do their

01:01:13.280 graphic design stuff, you contribute and anything that you sell maybe is a pitch to your potential

01:01:20.500 clients that a percentage of that goes to this, this working dog, you know, nonprofit that you

01:01:26.880 have.

01:01:28.260 Yeah.

01:01:28.960 Cool.

01:01:29.220 But I, but I think you can consolidate, not, not consolidate.

01:01:33.040 Yeah.

01:01:33.440 Consolidate.

01:01:33.960 I think you can bring this all in one house.

01:01:36.120 And I think you'll be much more effective if you come up with some good branding and

01:01:39.940 naming that will encapsulate everything that you're doing.

01:01:42.740 And then you offer services.

01:01:44.900 So if you want graphic design, good.

01:01:46.760 Got you covered.

01:01:47.340 If you want us to print shirts and send it to you, got it covered.

01:01:51.020 If you want me to design, print and fulfill the shirts, great.

01:01:55.500 We can do that too.

01:01:56.740 If you're going to do it, man, you can run with it and take care of it all.

01:02:00.840 Okay.

01:02:01.600 Cool.

01:02:01.920 So, you know, if, if I had to grab something that you said today, I think is profound to

01:02:08.460 wrap up on.

01:02:09.140 I think it's just a call to action.

01:02:11.740 I mean, you know, you, you said it yourself, Ryan, just a few minutes ago, you know, what,

01:02:16.040 what are you, what are you guys doing?

01:02:18.240 Listening?

01:02:18.520 What are you doing to, to move this movement forward, to restore masculinity and you just

01:02:25.420 hitting likes on Instagram and nonchalantly maybe sharing is probably not enough.

01:02:31.560 I mean, let's be frank.

01:02:32.660 There's a hell of a lot more.

01:02:34.880 Yeah.

01:02:35.060 There's a, I mean, even me listening to what you're saying, I'm thinking I need to do more.

01:02:39.380 And if I feel that way, there's a really high probability that all of you listening

01:02:43.200 should be doing the same thing.

01:02:45.480 And, and so I think, let me say one thing on that.

01:02:48.440 Actually, when you say do more, here's what I don't want people to hear.

01:02:52.540 You don't need to do it all.

01:02:55.640 Okay.

01:02:56.220 So sometimes people will say, Hey, Ryan, well, what are you going to run for office?

01:02:59.480 And maybe I will in the future.

01:03:00.920 It's not on my cards right now.

01:03:01.900 I'm not interested, but that doesn't mean I'm not doing anything like, you know, I'm,

01:03:07.180 I'm sitting behind this organization trying to drive and affect real change with hundreds

01:03:12.080 of thousands, if not millions of men.

01:03:13.660 And that's my path right now.

01:03:15.680 And your path doesn't mean that you have to do everything, but if it means that you're

01:03:20.200 going to coach your kids as baseball team this year, then that's awesome.

01:03:24.460 Do that fully.

01:03:25.840 If it means you're going to run for city council or for the school board, then cool.

01:03:30.540 Do that.

01:03:30.940 It doesn't mean you also need to become the governor of your state, but imagine when a

01:03:36.060 million or more of us are all engaged in a meaningful and significant way in our own

01:03:41.880 way, covering it from all angles, how powerful that will be.

01:03:46.240 Yeah.

01:03:47.160 I would love to, I would love you guys to connect with Ryan on Twitter and Instagram

01:03:51.500 at Ryan Mickler and do a post sharing.

01:03:54.720 What are you doing to stand for, to have masculinity courage and to stand for masculinity and tag Ryan

01:04:01.420 and share and start banding with us.

01:04:03.920 Yeah, I agree.

01:04:07.300 I agree.

01:04:07.840 And there's also one very simple thing that you guys can do on, on parting right now is

01:04:12.980 yeah, we want you to do those things, but another big way that I think a lot of guys

01:04:17.280 overlook is just leaving us an iTunes rating review.

01:04:19.960 So we're doing a big giveaway right now.

01:04:22.020 I don't know if you saw it, Kip, but on the 28th of this month, February.

01:04:26.220 So in about a week, we're going to be giving away a signed copy of sovereignty, an origin

01:04:31.920 heavy hoodie, an origin brand new pair of origin USA made boots, a magna cut stainless steel

01:04:40.040 speed goat knife by Montana knife company, and a pair of 50 pound Sorenx center mass bells.

01:04:46.240 So you will win all of that on this rating and review contest.

01:04:50.760 And all you need to do is leave the rating and review, take a screenshot of it, and then

01:04:55.720 email it to Brandy, B-R-A-N-D-Y at orderofman.com and you're entered.

01:05:01.140 And we're doing the giveaway on February 28, 2022.

01:05:04.720 So good luck on that and get in those ratings and reviews.

01:05:08.940 Yeah.

01:05:09.040 And the last call to action is Iron Council is going to be opening up for enrollment in

01:05:15.000 March in about a week.

01:05:16.860 If you want to be notified of that, connect on the socials, but also go to orderofman.com

01:05:22.560 slash Iron Council and sign up for the newsletter as well to be notified of that.

01:05:26.920 Yep.

01:05:27.060 That's right.

01:05:28.300 All right, Kip.

01:05:28.840 Glad to have you back, man.

01:05:29.880 Great conversation.

01:05:30.840 Great questions today.

01:05:31.680 Really appreciate that, guys.

01:05:33.060 And let's keep going.

01:05:34.240 We got a lot of work to do.

01:05:35.580 We'll catch you on Friday.

01:05:37.000 Until then, go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:05:40.640 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast.

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Order of Man - February 23, 2022

Creating Contingency Plans, Determining Malice or Stupidity, and Changing the Narrative Around Masculinity ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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