DANNY BOLTON ｜ Tapping Back Into Our Primal Nature
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Summary
As young boys, the world is quite literally our playground. It seems so full of questions waiting to be answered and mysterious places to discover and explore. It s in our nature to run and jump and play and unlock the secrets that call to us. Then as we become men, we lose a lot of that magic. The world around us often becomes more like a jail cell than the playground we remember of our youth. My guest today is a man who has not lost a bit of the curiosity and excitement of his youth. If anything, he's cultivated it. His name is Danny Bolton and today you re going to hear how to recapture the magic.
Transcript
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As young boys, the world is quite literally our playground.
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It seems so full of questions waiting to be answered and mysterious places to discover and explore.
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It's in our nature to run and jump and play and unlock the secrets that call to us.
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Then as we become men, we lose a lot of the natural curiosity and desire to traverse the world around us.
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The world around us often becomes more like a jail cell than the playground we remember of our youth.
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My guest today is a man who has not lost a bit of the curiosity and excitement of his youth.
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His name is Danny Bolton, and today you're going to hear how to recapture that magic.
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We talk about how hesitation hurts us, a man's need to play, creating an enemy to fight against,
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the analogy of the wolf, sheep, and sheep herder, the power of being ready for anything,
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest.
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Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler.
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I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement.
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We are already midway through January. That's wild.
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I cannot believe how fast and how quickly time goes.
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And this podcast is really important because I think it's crucial that we learn how to be present in the moment
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and recapture a lot of what we as boys remember,
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which is to play in rough house and explore the world and take risks
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and really figure out what was going on around us.
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I feel like I have lost some of that, and I'm sure that you probably feel that way as well.
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So this is going to be a powerful conversation with Danny,
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a man that I admire and respect and somebody who's managed to hold on to that for a very long time.
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And like I said earlier, to cultivate it as well.
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I'm going to introduce you to Danny in a minute.
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All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to Danny.
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It's not really hard to understand why he feels that's the case when you find out that
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Danny Bolton is an avid hunter, spearfisher, mountaineer, dirt biker, off-road racer, knife
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maker, and he's willing to try just about anything else that you might throw at him.
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It seems like he spends his days conjuring up new ways to experience life, which is spent
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Danny and I met through mutual friends years ago, and he's been a huge inspiration to me
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personally as I, too, try to rekindle some of the magic I remember as a youth and not
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Yeah, I mean, we're connected via Instagram and other places, but it seems like we're
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not able to ever get in touch with each other unless there's an event with Soarin' X or something
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Yeah, can't complain about getting to go to some of those events.
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And just the people, it's really the people that you get to spend time with there that's
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So, I wanted to have you on because I want to talk with you about something I've always
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And you actually sent me a text a little bit ago with a video that I think encapsulates
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perfectly what I wanted to talk with you about.
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You sent it for the guys who won't be able to see it.
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Maybe I'll figure out a way to post it up or something or they can follow you on Instagram.
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We can talk about it because it's one of those things that it almost needs an explanation.
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If people see it and the shock and awe, I mean, me and you, whatever, we get it.
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Well, just to give a quick heads up for people what they're going to hear is I ended up stabbing
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And basically, the way it sounds very archaic, but that wasn't my intent to go hunting with
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And of course, always the goal is to dispatch them as quickly and as painlessly as possible.
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It's just this opportunity came up and that was the best option.
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And I watched him for a while and he ended up dipping into this little low spot.
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So, if you're spotting stock hunting, when they, you kind of watch them and if they can
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see you, you know, if you can see them, they can see you.
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So, like this thing dipped into this little low spot where he couldn't see me.
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So, I quickly rushed up when he couldn't see me.
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You know, I quickly took a look around and made sure there was no other rams that would
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And I rushed up to this little spot where he had dipped up over into this little hole and
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I popped my head up over expecting to see him within 30 yards.
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So, when I popped up, he was gone and it's real open terrain.
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I thought maybe somehow he dipped out of there without, you know, me seeing because they do
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They're just like ninjas sometimes, but it just seems so odd that he wasn't there.
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So, and when I got about 15 feet away from him, I didn't realize that he had bedded down
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So, if you're trying to picture it, I'm standing on some grass and then it extends out like
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And then there's this little dugout that's like maybe a foot and a half lower than where
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And he had his back rested right up against that dugout.
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So, really all I saw was like a little bit of his back leg.
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And I was like, dang, there he is right there, you know, and then he had bedded down and went
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Man, he must have been tired, but slow, but there was no shot for me because where I was
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standing, I couldn't see any of his vitals and nothing.
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And I thought about it and I could see the situation.
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I was like, I can't stand right above this thing and shoot straight down.
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I thought about just grappling him and like wrestling him.
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I didn't really, my thought process wasn't really fully engaged.
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So, when I dropped my backpack and my bow, I grabbed my knife and I was like, okay.
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And as I was walking up to the sinks, I snuck up on it and took some time just to make every
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I was thinking, okay, I got this knife and I've had to do this before with animals.
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And I'm like, where you have a knife and they're still alive and like wrestling.
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So, I can't, I'm going to hold it in a way that, you know, the blade is coming out the
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bottom part of my hand away from my thumb, you know?
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So, at least it's facing away from me when I'm holding it.
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You'd see somebody like stab something kind of like that.
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And I get up to it and I, the way it's laying, I'm thinking, okay, as soon as I put this where
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it's vitals are, my, I'm right-handed and my head's kind of going to be next to his head
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and he's got horns and he's just a headbutt and stuff.
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So, like that thing's going to jump up and headbutt me.
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So, I'm thinking, okay, shoot, how am I going to do this, you know?
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So, just quick thinking, I just like, okay, I'm going to grab his horns and stab him at
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So, I get up to him and just simultaneously grab his horn with my left hand, stick the
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And it spun around and got a little awkward where it like twisted my wrist and I thought
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about re-gripping it and I was like, I knew I got that knife where it needed to go.
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Like, I know where the lungs and heart and everything lay.
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I was like, well, don't be wrestling this thing with a knife in your hand.
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And he literally ran 20 yards, just as if you would have shot him with a bow.
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20 yards and fell over within, you know, 10 seconds and died right there.
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Like, the reason I am cautious who I share that with is just because obviously someone
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And, you know, look at me as some kind of psycho of just stabbing animals to death.
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So, I cleaned that thing and ate it no different than if I killed it with a bow.
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I mean, you're going out there with the intent of taking an animal's life to eat.
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To me, it really doesn't matter if it's with a gun, bow, or a knife.
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It is a little bit more, you're a little bit more connected.
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Because, I mean, you're feeling this thing wrestle away from you.
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But, you know, the opportunity presented itself.
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You know, maybe I will need to do that for real one day.
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I might be out there out of arrows, out of ammo.
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Like, the black Hawaiian sheeps are just feral sheep.
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So, anything with wool on it, it's got the feral sheep in it.
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This is one I killed on Big Island three or four years ago.
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I had a goat at, I popped up over a ridge and the herd saw me.
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And so, I kind of slowly ducked down and they didn't bolt.
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So, I waited there and I crawled down the backside of a ridge knowing which way they were going to walk.
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And they started to walk down and I kind of peeked my head around the corner and saw the billy.
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But I had already ranged it and it was 75 yards.
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Like, it was getting towards the end of the day.
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And right before I was about to release, one of the nannies walked in front of him.
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As soon as she moved, I shot and ended up hitting him.
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He went and bedded down because I shot a little back.
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But yeah, it was, it's pretty cool to hunt out there in Hawaii.
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The fact that you're hunting, but then also you're in the middle of the sea on a volcano
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You know, we just had the volcano, the regular volcano, Kilauea is erupting again right now.
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But Mauna Loa, when we had that erupt about a month ago, you know, in my lifetime, I haven't
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It just makes you, it just gives you a different appreciation for where you live, you know,
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just to wake up and look behind the house and see the whole sky glowing red at two in
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And just to know that you're, you know, two, three thousand miles from anywhere, any of
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And yeah, to be able to hunt here and it's, I mean, I love it, you know.
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That's why, that's part of the reason I wanted to have you on because I think there's, you
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know, we live in these concrete jungles and so many men are detached from nature, detached
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from their wild side, detached from their primal roots.
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And you're somebody that I look at and see who is intimately familiar in a lot of different
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ways with who you are as a man, but like even who you are as a species, right?
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We're supposed to be connected with the wild and be integrated with nature.
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It's hard for a lot of guys to imagine a life like that considering where they come from.
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And yeah, it's, and it's hard for me to imagine anything else because that's just the way I
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And, um, but as I got older too, I've definitely been more con, you know, cautious of it or
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And, uh, because it's like when you're a kid, it's easy to be a wild animal, right?
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Like you have kids, they're, they're wild animals.
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I mean, I don't care if you grew up in a concrete jungle or where you grew up, the kids are just
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wild, you know, but as we grow older, we lose some of that.
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Um, so it's fun to tap back into it and it's just, uh, it feels so right.
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Like I'm sure you've talked about this before, like all the toxic masculinity and all this stuff.
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While I do agree that maybe there is some of that, um, where people are trying to fake
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it almost just thinking that that's what they need to be.
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But if you truly just let yourself be a wild, you know, it doesn't have to be all the time.
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My, my whole thing is like, we're living in a modern world, right?
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A lot of the work we do, uh, is done on the computer.
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Like I need to know how to use Photoshop illustrator for some of the stuff that I do.
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So there's a lot of the modern world that I need to, I can't just be this wild animal
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living out in the sticks because that's an uncomfortable place.
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I've been there, you know, I've, I've slept, you know, last year I probably slept, you know,
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I don't want to over exaggerate, but easy 60 days on the ground, you know, in, in a tent
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or just laid a tarp out and slept, um, it's not the most pleasant place to be.
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So I like, I don't want, I like living in a house, you know, but there's like a fine,
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And as far as the animal side, we got to let that out.
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If you don't let it out, you're, you're doing yourself a disservice.
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And then, you know, the whole side of like the mental health side of things, it's hard
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to take into account because that's not something you can just reach out and grab.
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Um, but I've found that if you tap into that animal side a little bit more often, it helps.
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Like I can only really speak for myself, but I've, I've also tried to push other people
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into that and I I've seen it kind of light something up in theirs.
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And for that moment, for that day or the next day, that life is back in them, you know?
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I, uh, when I started hunting, uh, six years ago, roughly, I think it's been about six years
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You know, I, I didn't have a lot of, a lot of that in my life up to that point.
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And yeah, it unlocked a side of me that wasn't, wasn't present, wasn't available before.
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And yeah, I come back to my work and ordinary everyday life.
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And, you know, we get inundated with our, our mundane schedules, but I look forward to
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every hunt, whether it's on in Hawaii or Minnesota with a bunch of friends, or I'm taking my two
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And I look forward to those opportunities because they're just for, for a lot of us, they're just
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few and far between and, and I'm, I'm curious how, when you say you, you want to push others
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into that, or at least introduce them to that, where would you suggest that somebody that
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maybe wants to unlock some of that would start?
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You know, if, if we're just talking in general, honestly, now that I'm older and I can't just
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go out and do all the wild things that I want to do, uh, the gym has been a great place
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Um, or if you got to go to a gym, but while you're working out, don't be afraid to let
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If you're going to lift the, if you're going to lift the weight, don't be afraid to just
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like, wow, like let, you know, maybe not scream if you're in a gym or something, but just
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let it just have that feeling of, you know, like I got to do this cause my life depends
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on it and then just, you know, there's probably a million different hobbies that we do as kids
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And just, you know, every once in a while might be good just to go back and do, do one
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Um, whether you used to go ride bikes or mountain bikes or skateboard, or even just playing basketball
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or something, I don't know, just like play anything that's considered play.
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I feel like there's a good chance to, to do that.
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And then, uh, I'm going to try to do some, some trainings and stuff, but we are, I do
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some of the military stuff for the off-road stuff, but that's, we, we tap into a little
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bit of that just cause that's their mindset and that's my mindset, but I'd love to do some
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I see, I see people being able to come here to Hawaii because it's my backyard and I've
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done this with some friends and kind of mocked it up already, but come here, uh, cause you're
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Um, you're away from your family that away, you're away from distractions.
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It's the same way as when I go to the mainland.
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Sometimes it's, it's nice to just be away because it allows your brain to escape.
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You're not thinking about work because you can't, you know, grasp work.
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That's an easy one to get people very uncomfortable.
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Holding your breath underwater is probably the easiest way I find to add stress to people's
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So as soon as I can get you comfortable holding your breath underwater, we've overcome a step
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In that one week, we can, we can work on getting your stress levels to come down, which is going
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When you stress and you panic, your heart rate goes up, you're using more oxygen and it's,
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So you have to fight everything that your body wants to do to actually be able to improve
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Well, that also can extend out into, into life.
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You know, it's the same way any, some of the religions, you know, Buddha, whatever, they'll,
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they'll teach you your breathing techniques and, uh, in stressful situations, it's shown
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that with science, the proper breathing techniques can calm you down.
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Um, as far as your health goes, I think a certain amount of stress is good, but for certain
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things, people stress, I know for a fact, a hundred percent, I can say with certainty that
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people stress about way more things and then we actually need to be stressing about in this
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We had a, uh, Oh God, go ahead and finish your thought.
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So just, yeah, just come over here, do some underwater training.
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Um, if you're into spearfishing or gathering, basically gathering your own food would be spearfishing
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I would love for it to be bow hunting, but that's a little bit more involved as you know,
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as far as getting someone set up with a bow, if they've never done it before, but I have,
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I've done literally crash course, uh, get someone shooting a bow one day and have them
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I can't say that everybody's going to be like that.
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And, you know, that may sound irresponsible, but I've seen people shoot amazing at 20 yards.
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And I, I feel confident that if I'm right there with them in their ear, kind of coaching
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them through when to shoot, um, staying calm that it's, it's doable, but, uh, stuff like
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that, you know, come over for a couple of days, maybe three day course or five day thing.
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And, uh, just get away from your normal life and come get, get stress inoculation involved,
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I don't know how, how many men or women that would entail, but I know I could get five
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to 10 to 20 to a hundred guys like that who would want to be involved with something like
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So let me know when you, when you bring that about.
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I was on a call with our guys this morning for, for one of our weekly calls.
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And one of the questions that got brought up is how do you deal with future uncertainty?
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Uh, how do you deal with, uh, maybe some grief and sorrow or remorse for things that you've
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And I think a lot of these things are beyond our control.
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And I think that's probably what makes it the hardest.
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If it's within our control, then, you know, we can do something about it.
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But if it's outside of our control, then it's easier to stress about.
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And I think the level of stress for men in modern society is probably higher than it's
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ever been because we have no direction and we have less and less ability to deal with
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You know, if we just want to break it down real simple, when we were cavemen or living
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in teepees, our purpose, our job was to hunt and then to also protect our tribe.
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You know, we knew when something came screaming in the middle of the night, we had to get up
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and that was, that was us that needed to be there.
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Um, when we need to go get food, that was us that needed to go get it.
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It wasn't as easy as going to the grocery store or anything like that.
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Well, now, um, there's a lot more involved, you know, there, we can't just be that.
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We can't just go hunt every day and then come home and be treated like a hero because
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It's like one, our purpose of life is way more complicated than it's ever been.
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And the gratitude for the things that we do is no longer there.
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Like, yeah, the, the gratitude from our communities is no longer there.
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If, especially if we go to work, let's just say if you go to work and, and, and modern
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You, you are providing for your family, but when you get home, there's no sense of like
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huge accomplishment, not only from your community, but also yourself, you know, you're not, you're
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probably not feeling like, man, I really slayed it today, man.
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I got that key, you know, those spreadsheets, man.
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So it's, I don't know if our, if our brains will get rewired.
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Cause I, I do feel like given the right circumstances, we probably could maybe feel a little bit better
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about ourselves, about the things that we're doing, because even if you go and you're actually,
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let's say you have a job that actually contributes to society, not to say tapping on a keyboard
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doesn't, um, let's just use that for an example.
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You know, I do feel like there has to be some satisfaction there that we're not giving ourselves.
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Um, because it starts with us, you know, like we need to be our own biggest fans before we can
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expect our, our communities to really care or our spouses or our children, whatever it is.
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So, um, yeah, to get back to it, I think the lack of purpose is no longer there and it's just,
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Our, our society is very, very complicated now, whereas I don't feel like it was as complicated
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before, but we did deal with a lot more struggles, you know, a lot more nights that were cold,
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a lot more hunger. Um, even just like, if you talk to anybody who's been on any of those shows,
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like making it afraid or anything, ask them about the bugs, you know, the bug situation.
00:27:37.940
We don't deal with that anymore. We got nice soft clothes, you know, and we slept in sleeping bags.
00:27:43.880
Yeah. It's pretty wild when you do some of these things and it really puts into perspective what
00:27:48.380
you're worried about. I think that's part of the, the, the draw, maybe not the draw, but the benefit
00:27:54.920
of, of doing these challenging things, even if it's a challenging hunt, you know, when I was on the big
00:27:59.540
Island there, uh, it wasn't hard, you know, we, we were out for a day. I mean, literally a day
00:28:06.340
walking around. We were maybe at most five miles from our vehicle at most. And even then, you know,
00:28:13.260
it was hot and we were carrying our bags and we had to break the animal down and carry it back.
00:28:18.860
And it wasn't difficult, but it was challenging enough that it begins to make you feel alive
00:28:24.840
in a way that we are just not challenged at all. I mean, usually if it's a challenge,
00:28:30.040
it's up in your mind and it's, it's something that you create for yourself, not something you're
00:28:34.020
actually pitted against. And I think men need to have some sort of, uh, like an enemy, maybe,
00:28:40.240
you know, something to confront and fight against in a way.
00:28:44.200
Yeah, I would agree. Um, yeah, I don't know what that, what that enemy could be for, for me,
00:28:50.940
I can only speak for myself. Um, I kind of create that on my own, you know, we can all be our own
00:28:58.100
worst enemy and not in a healthy way either, but you can also do it in a healthy way. You can be that
00:29:05.420
person who can get in your own head and be like, you know what, you need to get it today. You know,
00:29:11.200
like you're being a sissy and, uh, you, you don't want, you know, like you don't want to be this
00:29:18.260
sissy. And the more you do it, the more you give into it, the easier it is to become, um, just weak,
00:29:25.440
you know? Sure. So yeah, it'd be, it'd be cool to sit down and kind of brainstorm what,
00:29:30.700
what some ideas could be to create that enemy that we almost need. Right. You almost need that
00:29:37.400
someone there pushing you. Um, because yeah, we're, we're a weird, we're a weird species. You
00:29:43.940
know, there's, there's two different people out there. There's the, as you could simply put like
00:29:49.740
the wolf and the sheep. Right. And I was having this conversation with our mutual friend of ours,
00:29:56.980
but I was saying, especially in today's society, there's definitely people out there that need to
00:30:03.660
be led. And that's just, is what it is. It's sometimes this is the easiest thing. I'm not
00:30:08.700
sure it's the most healthy thing for our mental state, but you know, sometimes having a job and
00:30:14.180
having someone in charge who knows all the answers and all you got to do is the labor. That's like the
00:30:18.980
best and easiest thing. It's nice to be that person. Sometimes it's just digging the ditch and
00:30:23.140
someone else is going ahead with the plan, showing you where, you know, painting out lines on where
00:30:27.060
to dig it and how deep. Um, so I was saying we almost need more sheep herders because some people
00:30:34.140
are just sheep and just want to be sheep and there can't just be wolves and sheep. There also has to
00:30:39.040
be sheep herders, but I don't know. I don't, I haven't thought too much into that to where
00:30:44.500
definitely I feel like the wolf mentality, cause you're just running with other wolves is,
00:30:50.480
it's pretty good as well. Um, cause you're, you, you got the lead wolf and then, you know,
00:30:58.140
there's only a small pack that runs with them. Hey guys, I'm going to take a quick break from
00:31:03.500
the conversation. Normally I would pitch you something right here. I'm not going to do that.
00:31:07.960
I just want to take a quick minute to thank you for all of the support over the past eight years.
00:31:12.880
I'm well aware that we would not be where we are without you tuning in, listening in, coming to our
00:31:18.920
events, joining our brotherhood, the iron council and stepping up more fully in your own lives. Now
00:31:24.140
I have not tried to hide the fact that the end of 2022 and beginning of 2023 have presented some
00:31:32.320
real personal struggles for me, but I do want to let you know that your support and your example
00:31:38.280
and also your brotherly love, your support and care has made this work meaningful to me
00:31:43.600
and really given me purpose when all else in life seems to waver quite a bit, especially in this
00:31:49.600
season of my life. Uh, so that's it just a genuine thank you from me and a message that I don't plan
00:31:55.700
to stop doing this anytime soon. As long as there's breath in me and men like you willing to listen and
00:32:01.180
apply what we're sharing, then I will keep fighting for the cause of manliness and masculinity.
00:32:07.080
And I hope you will as well. Uh, the world needs it now more than ever. And we have a lot, a lot of
00:32:12.260
work to do in 2023 and moving forward indefinitely. So again, thank you very much. Keep listening,
00:32:19.160
keep tuning in, keep supporting where you feel appropriate. And, uh, let's get back to the
00:32:23.100
conversation with Danny. I think, uh, we've, we've evolved to be super hyper efficient, which means
00:32:34.160
that we'll look for the path of least resistance when we're presented with two paths is it's, it's
00:32:40.300
like being out in the wilderness and you come across a game trail. Why do all the animals follow
00:32:45.200
the same trail? I mean, they can go an infinite number of directions and yet all of the animals
00:32:49.840
funnel into one trail. Why they're, they're following, they're choosing the path of least
00:32:55.260
resistance. That trail has already been beaten down and stamped down and, and, and freed of debris and,
00:33:01.320
and rubble and rocks. And that's what we do is we just look for that path of least resistance.
00:33:07.560
And it's no wonder to me that we can't find any fulfillment because there's nothing that's
00:33:12.200
challenging to bump up against and actually make ourselves stronger.
00:33:17.580
Yeah, totally. Um, I just, when you're talking about that, I just think about the,
00:33:22.540
just the old, old days of finding new worlds, you know, like the guys that were out there,
00:33:28.720
even though you would say that when Lewis and Clark came across or who, you know, whoever's
00:33:35.040
discovering the West, it was already discovered right by native Americans. So they were kind of
00:33:40.160
forging their own path, but that's, that's a crazy thing. You know, I just, there, there is something
00:33:46.240
in the human nature that has that sense of adventure that even us, right? Like how many times have you been
00:33:56.840
on a trail and look at little kids, like go back to looking at little kids, you walk on a trail and
00:34:02.340
all they want to do is jump off it. That's all they want to do. You know, they just want to take this,
00:34:07.500
they just want to get off that trail. It's funny. Um, so yeah. And, but we do, we do become more
00:34:15.080
and more just want to be on the trail and what's comfortable because we don't know what's off of the
00:34:20.060
trail. Um, I wonder if it's just that uncertainty. Yeah. Yeah. Or what could be right. The potential
00:34:27.700
of what could be on the other side of that trail or just over that hill. Like I'm a very curious
00:34:32.500
person. So I want to know, you know, I don't want somebody to tell me, I mean, you could tell me
00:34:38.100
what's over there, but I got to see it for myself. Like I want to go over and check it out for myself
00:34:42.500
with all of the different things that I've seen you do that, you know, people who follow you on
00:34:47.280
Instagram or know you to some degree would see with hunting and you're underwater stuff,
00:34:51.700
just everything that you do. Uh, is there, is there a common theme is what, if you were to ask
00:34:59.600
what, what is your purpose? Cause we were talking about that earlier. What, what would you say your
00:35:04.240
purpose is? And that's a good question. Um, you know, it's, it's not until I reached my thirties,
00:35:12.760
I'd feel like I really started looking at that, you know, because up until that point,
00:35:18.740
I was just doing everything that felt right without a thought. There was no thought. It was
00:35:24.200
just like, whatever feels good. I'm doing it. You know, if this job comes up doing it,
00:35:29.260
if I'm in a job that was not feeling right for me, I'd quit and I'd go find something else to do.
00:35:35.300
That's kind of why I, it sounds bad because I've done so much different work, but
00:35:39.720
I've learned a lot doing a lot of different things. And sometimes it just, it doesn't feel
00:35:45.240
right. Whether it's someone I'm working with or whatnot. Once I reached my thirties, I feel like,
00:35:50.300
and, and I guess having a kid to probably helped a lot with that. You start thinking like, what's
00:35:57.120
your purpose, you know? And the silly things that I do as far as skateboarding and going free diving,
00:36:05.420
you could almost look at those as kind of silly things. Like there's, what's the purpose,
00:36:10.020
you know, it's kind of a selfish act, but I've come to the realization that I've, I've pushed other
00:36:20.700
people into doing some things that feel right for themselves, you know, by, by me posting something
00:36:26.500
of me skateboarding or me free diving, I've had people like, Oh man, that inspired me to go out and
00:36:35.120
do something. Um, which is weird because social media is such a weird thing. And I've come to a
00:36:41.100
pretty healthy place with it where I don't take it too serious. And I kind of just do whatever feels
00:36:46.460
right. And don't, don't put too much thought into it, but I've had a lot of people reach out and be
00:36:51.480
like, man, I really was inspired by that. And it inspired me to get out and do some stuff. And I have
00:36:58.900
always been that way with other people. I've, I've loved to push them into uncomfortable situations.
00:37:05.660
Um, I've gotten in a lot, a lot of people into, into some very uncomfortable situations,
00:37:11.980
but I love it because it creates fun stories, you know, later on for sure. But, uh, I do feel like
00:37:19.360
part of me is that purpose. Yeah. So part of me does have that purpose of just wanting to get other
00:37:26.960
people out of their, of their situation that they're in and just push them into comfort,
00:37:31.860
uncomfortable places. Um, and I do love teaching people things that I've learned. I do feel like
00:37:40.660
everybody kind of does need to learn the hard way. Um, too much, there can be too much coaching
00:37:46.340
involved, at least sort of the way I learned. So I've learned things the hard way of just learning
00:37:52.360
and I'm without a coach. Um, so I'm more than happy to expedite that process for somebody as
00:37:57.980
quickly as I can, but there's going to be a point where you can only explain so much
00:38:02.320
and then you, you need to experience it for yourself. Um, so in a quick answer, my purpose
00:38:11.520
would probably just be a father and raising my child the best I possibly can. So as soon as I know
00:38:17.460
that I'm past that point, I take that same philosophy and add it to whoever else, close
00:38:23.780
friends, even strangers that I feel like could benefit from what I have. And also just to become
00:38:30.100
like the best is it is silly as it sounds like I want to be the best version of myself as far as
00:38:39.160
I'm ready for anything. So if someone calls me tomorrow and it's like, Hey, we're going on this
00:38:45.580
hunt. I'm ready. Someone calls me and we're going diving all day. I'm ready. Um, we're
00:38:51.740
going to go hike up to the top of this mountain. Okay, let's do it. You know, or even something as
00:38:57.700
crazy as, you know, my daughter's birth was kind of gnarly. So like I learned a lot in that process
00:39:03.900
since then I've helped out with other people's, uh, you know, childbirths. Cause like I was able
00:39:12.740
to be it and see that process. And I, I've been with a couple other people and help them like
00:39:17.720
they're struggling through their childbirth. And I came in just to be that voice of reason.
00:39:22.580
Our medical system can be very medically inclined and they just want to push certain agendas. And it's
00:39:29.680
like, wait a minute, is the baby healthy? Is the mom healthy? Why are we rushing this natural process?
00:39:34.540
Of course, there's always a time that we need to intervene, but a lot of times, so I don't know,
00:39:41.260
random stuff like that. I, I just, uh, it just comes to me, you know, like I just do what feels
00:39:47.360
right. And I try not to overthink things too much. I feel like I'm pretty good at living in the
00:39:51.220
present. So I'm, I'm able to just accept the day for what it is. And if something feels right,
00:39:57.260
if I need to hang out with someone or something, um, that's my purpose for that day, you know,
00:40:03.160
what, what is your, what is your relationship or your thoughts around,
00:40:07.800
you know, the threat of, of injury or death? Like I, I tend to be a more calculated person.
00:40:14.400
So I will take that into consideration, um, pretty heavily and, and I'll make visions with that in
00:40:21.800
mind, especially as a father, right. I've, I've got kids that rely on me and I've got other things
00:40:26.700
that I want to accomplish. I'm very curious about when I see the things that you do, you know,
00:40:30.460
from the outside looking in, you could say, man, these things are risky. There's a lot of risk
00:40:34.860
associated with it. And so what's your, what's your relationship with risk and how that plays
00:40:40.520
into your decision-making process. As far as getting hurt, there's not much consideration
00:40:47.080
for getting hurt. Um, I've always been good at just dealing with pain and having the mindset that
00:40:56.700
I'll heal. I've from a year, young age, as crazy as this sounds, I've always felt like if something
00:41:04.720
happened and I became paralyzed or something, I would just deal with it. Like whatever, that would
00:41:11.240
be my life at that point. You know, that's a crazy thought to think, uh, it's weird to say it out loud,
00:41:17.360
but I've had that thought. And I, and it's like, I'm sure after it would happen, I would probably
00:41:24.400
regret it. Um, I try not to live with too much regrets, but there's not much consideration for
00:41:30.420
injury. Um, at that point, it just is what it is. Death on the other hand, like you said, now that we
00:41:40.060
have kids, it's a little different, um, because there's someone who kind of relies on you now,
00:41:47.020
but I do feel like if I don't do some of these things, I'm not, I'm not showing my child how,
00:41:56.900
how well you can live life and the excitement that there is out there to live life.
00:42:01.440
And as well as, you know, as far as death goes, I just, it's not, here's an easy way. Like when
00:42:14.340
we used to race off road, we would race as fast as we felt we needed to race because in offered
00:42:22.760
racing, a lot of it has to do with keeping the truck alive and not breaking it. Yeah. Right. Just
00:42:28.620
be in the game. Right. Just be in the game. And a lot of those offered races, only like 50% of the
00:42:33.860
people that, uh, start finish. So there's a lot of just keeping the truck alive. But when we drove
00:42:41.760
conservative, it almost, it, it, it didn't help, you know, like when you're driving at where you think
00:42:53.360
obviously not over, you can easily overdrive the vehicle, but if you're in race mode,
00:42:58.620
your brain is like tuned in, right. You're, you're way more focused. I feel the same way about
00:43:05.900
life. You know, like if, if you're tuned in to life and doing these things that actually make you
00:43:12.480
question like, Hey, if I, if I screw this up right now, there's, there's a possibility of death or
00:43:17.860
injury. So the more situations I could put myself in like that, the more sharp my mind becomes and the
00:43:27.580
more sharp, all my senses become, and I can only get to that place by being there. Uh, you know,
00:43:35.440
not, I wouldn't say close to death because you can, you don't have to be right on the edge of the cliff,
00:43:41.140
you know, hanging off of it to get that feeling. There's, there's other times where you can get
00:43:45.920
that feeling and it's all, it's all perception. Like I was explaining this to somebody, everybody
00:43:53.900
drives a car and we drive by other cars going the other direction, 70 miles an hour that are less
00:44:01.360
than 10 feet away. So if you were standing at a nice quiet forest and all of a sudden, okay,
00:44:09.480
let's say 70 miles an hour, one way and 70 miles an hour, the other way, that's 140 miles an hour.
00:44:14.100
If you were standing in the forest and a boulder came flying by you at 140 miles an hour,
00:44:19.760
10 feet away, you would feel like you almost died. Right. Right. But since we do it so much
00:44:26.720
and we've gotten away with it so many times driving, it's not even a, it's not even a thing.
00:44:31.860
We all ladies, little kids, it's, it's perception. So like the more you do some of those things,
00:44:39.640
the more your perception goes away of this isn't actually that dangerous. Um, does that,
00:44:46.800
does that make sense? Yeah. It's interesting. I wrote down here, as you were saying that it just
00:44:51.180
to reframe it, the way I heard you say it is that the, because you're playing maybe at greater stakes,
00:44:56.660
it makes you, it makes you sharper and makes you perform better. It almost forces you in a way
00:45:02.240
and puts you in a position where you have to perform at your best. Otherwise you run some
00:45:08.140
very serious risks. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Do you have any, uh, any examples of, of situations that
00:45:18.740
you've been in where you're thinking, Hey, you know what? Like this could be it. Like I I'm, I'm,
00:45:24.060
I'm in a very bad way right now. Nothing long and drawn out. Okay. I've had a few. Well,
00:45:32.680
I've never laid there and like, man, you know, I got to get out of this situation cause I'm starving
00:45:40.080
and freezing. I've had a few cold nights. Um, but more just quick, you know, quick motorcycle
00:45:46.800
almost like, Oh my God, I almost hit that tree, hit a rock and like got bounced all sideways. And
00:45:54.780
you know, it's weird because those are split second things that go by
00:46:02.060
your death experiences, but you kind of just like brush them off.
00:46:07.500
But there's been other times where I've woken up on the ground, not knowing where I was and I
00:46:14.360
couldn't feel my legs. You know, one time I remember looking down at my feet. I remember
00:46:18.700
looking down at my feet, uh, and I couldn't feel my legs. And I was like, man, this sucks. This is
00:46:25.420
bad. Like I remember having that feeling and I remember moving my toes and I was like, yeah,
00:46:29.760
like they're still there, you know, like I didn't have feeling of it, but I remember being able to move
00:46:33.700
them. And, uh, you know, that I rattled my head pretty good, but that could have easily been,
00:46:40.000
that could have easily been it for me, but it happened so quick. You know, it wasn't some long
00:46:45.860
drawn out process. So sure. I've had a few shark encounters that in the moment I don't give into it.
00:46:56.520
I had one recently, like actually during that, when we shot that sore next film,
00:47:01.780
we went out to a spot that has lots of sharks and I was going to get Ricky in the water. And I,
00:47:07.840
if it was mellow enough and thankfully he didn't get in the water. And right when I got in, I had
00:47:12.000
this shark harassing me. My thought process in my head while that was happening was this little
00:47:18.320
weak ass shark. Like, like what, if he like bites me, you know, whatever, maybe he takes a finger or
00:47:25.300
something. It's not going to be serious. That's what I was telling myself in my head. Now I got back on
00:47:31.760
the boat, that shark, that same shark had bitten one of the fish in half that my cousin had caught
00:47:38.640
on the boat. Oh, geez. And we're talking like, like your whole butt cheek would have been gone.
00:47:46.140
Right. And then I've seen, I've seen them beat these fish in half. Like if you, if I took a fish
00:47:50.920
and try to rip it in half, I know how strong it is. It's like pure muscle. So I see how quick it
00:47:56.820
happens. That thing could have took my butt cheek off, like, or my leg, whatever cat without even
00:48:02.700
a question. And like, boom, that would have been it. I probably would have bled out and died.
00:48:07.980
So it's not till after you like giggle about it, but in the moment I have a pretty good job. I do a
00:48:14.880
pretty good job at lying to myself. So do you think, so do you think that serves you in the moment or,
00:48:21.260
or, or, or hurts you? Like, like how does that process play out? Okay. So how does it, how does
00:48:26.520
it, how does it serve you? Cause me, I get to that and I'm like, I'm out, like I'm getting out of the
00:48:31.640
water. I'm out of here. I'm not doing this. I'm not even getting in the water. So in that case,
00:48:37.440
I ended up not diving that day, you know, but I went through the experience of dealing with that
00:48:41.620
shark and trying to shoot some other fish, but that they were just too aggressive. So I made the
00:48:46.540
decision to finally get out. Um, when I made that decision, it was only because I had that one
00:48:53.040
shark. It was okay to keep an eye on one shark. And he was kind of like coming in, harassing me,
00:48:57.900
harassing me, and then he'd swim away and come back in. But another one came, uh, into the picture
00:49:03.960
that was probably, I didn't, it was down deeper, but it was probably eight to 10 feet. And this one
00:49:10.580
was probably six, seven feet. When I seen that bigger shark show up cause sharks, they feed off
00:49:16.600
each other, like behavior breeds behavior. So if one's aggressive, the other ones think,
00:49:20.520
Oh, something else is going on. I knew I couldn't keep my eye on two of them. So I was like, that's
00:49:25.560
it. I'm good. Like I'm going to get back in the boat. I'm going to call, you know, cut my losses and
00:49:29.420
get out. But what I was going to say, why it benefits me in certain situations, maybe not that
00:49:35.960
situation, but it gets rid of the hesitation for me. Um, and I've seen a lot of mistakes by myself
00:49:42.780
made with hesitation. And then also in the, in the coaching that I do, as far as off-road training,
00:49:47.300
if you hesitate, uh, that can be the mistake, you know, that could be it. That could be the
00:49:54.620
difference between success and failure. Um, cause even if you hesitate for that split second,
00:50:00.240
that puts you in the wrong line as far as off-roading and you know, you're not going to
00:50:06.160
make that climb or let's take hunting. For example, if you hesitate for that quick second,
00:50:13.060
um, you may not get that shot ever again. That may be the difference. Yeah. So I think about that,
00:50:20.060
like, you know, you, there's that stat that most the, uh, like, let's just say elk hunting,
00:50:26.840
most elk kill there are by 10% of the people, but it's, what is it? It's like, it's, uh, no,
00:50:34.380
10% of the people are successful. And it's only like 1% of the people who want actually fill that
00:50:39.560
10% or I forget what it is, but basically the people who are actually performing at that high
00:50:46.480
level and able to take those opportunities and turn them into success. I feel like that's because
00:50:53.660
there's no hesitation involved. If you take someone who just started hunting, they may have that
00:50:58.100
hesitation and may have, may have missed that shot. So I just feel for me, there can't be any
00:51:05.200
hesitation. Uh, I, I probably equate it back to skateboarding as a kid. If you're rolling up to
00:51:11.640
jump off a set of stairs, if you hesitate, uh, for a split second, you may jump off kind of weird and
00:51:18.960
you're going to eat it. You know, you have to be fully committed and you have to just in your head,
00:51:24.060
think that you got it no matter what. It's the same thing with riding up to a big jump.
00:51:27.980
They're biking. If you're riding up to a jump and you think for a second, I may not make it,
00:51:32.900
you know, and you, and you don't give it the gas that you needed to do, or you tap the brake.
00:51:36.660
I've seen a lot of people crash like that. Yeah. And I've done it, uh, many times. So I feel like if I
00:51:43.940
just don't hesitate, even if I'm going to crash, whatever, but without that hesitation there,
00:51:49.180
I feel like it benefits me. I've never really considered this before since you started talking
00:51:55.420
about it, but yeah, it's, it's very interesting because why do we hesitate? Well, we hesitate
00:51:59.740
because we're afraid, right? It's fear. It's, it's fear of something might happen to us or, uh, fear
00:52:05.480
that we might look foolish. I know that's part of the reason I hesitate at times, but in the hesitation,
00:52:11.420
in our natural response to the fear, that's what actually creates the problem. It's, it's
00:52:17.440
counterintuitive. That's what's actually creating the problem. I remember when I, when I very first
00:52:21.500
started hunting, there was a couple of instances, one in Arizona where, uh, I, I stocked up on this
00:52:27.480
nice mule deer and I didn't really know what to do. Cause I never had any looks like that was one of my
00:52:33.320
first time hunting and the thing jumped, stood up and I had moments like replaying it now. I'm like,
00:52:39.920
oh man, I had moments where I could have killed this thing. And he jumped up and ran off and I
00:52:44.440
tried to shoot him as he ran and I missed. And like, it was, it was the hesitation that kept me
00:52:51.260
from making that shot. And I'm thought to myself, well, what, like, well, how would I have done it
00:52:56.420
differently? And really it's just the repetition of it. Yeah. It's just getting in there and doing it
00:53:00.960
over and over and over and over again to realize, okay, this is where I shoot. This is where I draw.
00:53:05.980
This is when I don't hesitate. This is when I maybe take my time, but you have to get those
00:53:10.720
reps in. Otherwise you'll never, you'll never put yourself in better positions.
00:53:15.280
Yeah, definitely. I feel like doing a lot of different things too helps with that for me,
00:53:19.140
at least, um, whether it be skateboarding, BMX, dirt biking, shooting bows, uh, it just,
00:53:27.040
all those things transfer over to each other, you know, um, as weird as it sounds, it,
00:53:33.920
I've benefited bow hunting from my skateboarding. It just is what it is. You know, like there's just,
00:53:42.720
is that there's going to come that time where that stressful moment of you got to make a decision.
00:53:48.720
And in my head, it's helped, you know, have the confidence and be able to shoot. And a good
00:53:55.080
example I've noticed too, you know, we're about to go to winter strong with Sornex and we have a fun
00:54:01.320
competition every year. And I see it's hard shooting around other people. Um, yeah, it's fun
00:54:14.080
because it's an added stress, you know, like something you don't normally get. You can shoot
00:54:18.200
at home all day. You could shoot great at home by yourself, you know, and then you get around other
00:54:23.460
people and it's like, there's nerves there. There's fear it, you know, are they going to make fun of me
00:54:28.880
if I just reckon air ball this arrow right now? Yes, they are. The answer to that is yes. Yes,
00:54:35.560
they are definitely, you know, and, uh, and then you put it into a competition form to where you have
00:54:41.720
teammates that are looking at you like, Hey, can you make this shot? Right. And you're, you're winded.
00:54:47.580
And so I feel like the nerves, you already have enough things going against you in that situation.
00:54:55.600
The last thing you need is your nerves and fear to be involved. So I feel like I can do a pretty
00:55:03.060
good job at pushing those things out. And I, I would love to try to push other people into that
00:55:09.280
same mindset of you got to be in the mindset that you're not going to miss, you know, even if you do
00:55:16.140
miss, that is what it is. But your whole mindset, when you pull that trigger is I'm not missing and
00:55:22.180
nothing else matters, you know, not what these people think, nothing else matters. So I think
00:55:29.380
just the nerves can get involved with people's heads, you know, and create that hesitation.
00:55:35.160
I, uh, I see so many of the things that you do. And I wonder, it seems to me, I'm like, Oh, okay.
00:55:39.420
Anything that comes to this guy's mind, like he does. And I'm, and I'm wondering if there's
00:55:43.680
things, adventures, trips, activities that you have on your list that you haven't done yet,
00:55:49.520
that you're like, I want to do that. That's my next thing that I'm going to get involved with.
00:55:55.380
Man, it's kind of endless. Like I got, I got a lot of big ambition to do a lot of different things,
00:56:02.080
but they kind of come at me when one comes, they'll stick. And that's, that's all I want to
00:56:08.060
do at that moment. Um, you know, in the long, I'd love to do some mountaineering. I'd love to get to
00:56:14.000
the top of some mountains. I've gotten to some smaller ones and, um, I'd love to do some of that.
00:56:20.240
Not super stoked on the cold though. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I'd love to tap more into that,
00:56:27.860
but rock climbing as well. I've done some bouldering and sport climbing and a little bit
00:56:33.220
of trad climbing. Never let it myself though. What do you mean? What, what, what would that be?
00:56:39.800
Okay. So obviously you know what rock climbing is, right? Right. Right. Yeah. You just climbing up
00:56:45.700
cliffs. So there's sport climbing is where there's already these bolts that are bolted into the wall.
00:56:54.020
And all you got to do is you clip your carabiner into it and you clip into your rope. That's it.
00:57:00.440
Trad climbing or traditional style is like where you're actually setting gear. You're having to set
00:57:05.840
cams and nuts into cracks. And as you're climbing, so it's just an added stress of a camp climbing up
00:57:13.120
this crack. And I need to put a piece of gear here to keep me safe. Cause I got my rope, but like
00:57:20.900
what size am I going to put? And I need to hold on with one hand at this point. Hopefully your feet
00:57:25.580
are in a good place. You take one hand off, you're putting a piece of gear in, then you clip your gear
00:57:30.780
in and then you're safe. At that point, you could probably lean on it if you needed to take a break.
00:57:35.780
But then as soon as you start climbing above that point, if you fall, you're going to fall with the
00:57:41.700
safety of that piece of gear. Right. Um, so you kind of climb as far as you feel comfortable. Usually
00:57:47.520
it's, it's less than about 10 feet depends on the climb and you put another piece of gear in to keep
00:57:53.440
you safe. Um, I'd love to, it's, it's kind of expensive to get all the gear I have going with
00:58:01.280
other people with all the gear, but I'd love to just, I love diving into that stuff like that. And
00:58:06.000
I don't know, I can do crazy stuff like that, but a lot of times it's just very simple things.
00:58:13.100
You know, I just want to spearfish more here at home and bow hunt more here at home. And
00:58:19.180
I don't need to go to any crazy places to do it. Some, some of my favorite hunting is just
00:58:24.480
axis deer hunting, which you've done a little bit here. Yeah. Um, you know, that's very easy
00:58:31.600
for me than going on a big hunt in Alaska or something. Um, but it's almost just as enjoyable
00:58:38.380
sometimes. Well, I'm anxious to see what you do, man. Like I, I, I'm inspired by you. I watch what
00:58:45.160
you do. I'm like, I need to do that. I want to do that. I need to get that. Cause again,
00:58:48.380
I tend to be a little bit more risk averse. So seeing guys like yourself do these things
00:58:52.560
motivates me and inspires me to put myself out there a little bit more, try some things that
00:58:57.940
I haven't tried before. And man, I'm anxious. We were going to try to get together. I think last
00:59:02.180
time I was in Hawaii and I think we just had a schedule conflict, but hopefully this year when
00:59:07.940
I, I'm going to bring my oldest son out there with me this year and, uh, hopefully we can connect
00:59:12.800
and get on a hunt together. That'd be a lot of fun. Maybe we can try to stab a, stab a sheep
00:59:17.000
together or something. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever get the opportunity. I don't know,
00:59:22.440
man. Yeah. We did that with pigs in Texas. We went to, I call it hog dogging. So we went
00:59:28.460
and did that in Texas. Me and my oldest son did that in Texas several years ago. And that
00:59:32.060
is a crazy, crazy experience. Okay. So you know what I learned from that? And I wrote this
00:59:37.420
to one of our friends is a couple of things here is it was almost disturbing how easy that
00:59:47.040
was. Okay. So you have this knife and it went in no problem. Right. And that thing was dead
00:59:57.840
in 10 seconds. So that's, that's kind of disturbing, but good to know. Like, it's like one of those
01:00:05.560
things that it just is disturbing as it is. It is what it is. Hey, I eat that animal. There
01:00:12.120
should be no problem with that, you know, but it just like how crazy that thing, you know,
01:00:19.960
like we live our lives like, Oh, it's all good, you know, but to think that how quick things
01:00:25.140
could turn for us. Yeah. It reminds us of our own mortality, doesn't it? Yep. Exactly. Um,
01:00:32.280
but yeah, it was, what a crazy experience I've, it would, yeah, we'll probably end up sharing that
01:00:40.200
at some point, but I'll have to give some kind of explanation behind it just so people kind of
01:00:44.100
grasp it. It's one of those things that it's like a shock and awe. I don't want people to take it the
01:00:47.820
wrong way. I don't, I don't need to share that with people, but there is some lessons to be learned
01:00:52.200
there, you know, that people could learn. Well, I know you've, uh, hunted with Steve Rinella and I think
01:00:58.540
he's, that's a great model with him is, is that he's doing some, some things that I think,
01:01:04.720
uh, uh, I was going to say a normal person, but that's not the right way to say it, but somebody
01:01:09.780
who, who isn't like in the world of hunting would ever experience or even ever think about, but he
01:01:14.780
does a, he does such a tremendous job at educating and explaining and giving context where people just
01:01:22.220
see the grip and grins on, on social media. He does a phenomenal job of diving deep into it.
01:01:28.120
And making it engaging and entertaining, but also educational.
01:01:33.540
Absolutely. Yeah. They, um, since I was on the show, we've done three episodes. Now we did two
01:01:41.560
more this year. If you want to watch them, they're for free on the meat eater.com. Um,
01:01:47.260
and the other ones are on Netflix. I think there's some on YouTube as well, but
01:01:51.440
there's mixed reviews with those guys, you know, like some people love them. Some people hate them.
01:01:57.800
Um, and it's sad because most people, most people that want to talk, talk bad about them,
01:02:04.140
especially to me that because they know that I've been on the show, they've never even really met
01:02:10.100
them or spent time with them. Um, and so it's hard to really grasp how, how someone feels,
01:02:17.580
but I've spent some time. I went on a youth deer hunt with, with Steve and his son this year,
01:02:22.640
he invited me out. I was up in Montana. I was supposed to be working that week. And I wasn't,
01:02:27.540
he invited me to go on their youth deer hunt and spend some time with him and his son. Um,
01:02:33.580
so we did that. And then after I spent some time with him and his family, you know, just
01:02:37.360
sitting around the dinner table, he's a great human, you know, and, and a awesome father.
01:02:43.140
So I got nothing but good things to say about that whole crew had an absolute blast working with
01:02:49.540
them. Uh, and they're good people. And I, you can't deny how much good that they're doing as far
01:02:55.200
as bringing new eyeballs into our hunting world. Um, yes, maybe not everybody likes their spot being
01:03:03.740
crowded and it does suck. Trust me. I fight that too, but we will lose hunting as far as politics go.
01:03:12.200
If we don't shed a good light on it. And if we don't support all support each other,
01:03:17.760
I've come to that realization. It's easy for me just to like live in my own little bubble and think,
01:03:22.880
you know, everything's peachy and stuff. But as far as politics go, we will lose hunting. I feel
01:03:28.840
like if we don't all support each other and really shed a good light on what it is and they do a good
01:03:34.180
job at, okay. It's the adventure of going out there and that sense of purpose to be out there
01:03:40.540
hunting. And then when you get something, you're cooking it, you're enjoying it with friends and
01:03:45.380
family. You can't explain that feeling to people, something they have to, to experience for
01:03:53.260
themselves. But I know for me, that is, it's a huge sense of accomplishment. If I go get something
01:04:00.780
and then sit down and eat this dinner with friends and family of something that you've gotten,
01:04:05.000
there's no words to explain it, but it just feels right. It just feels like if you're just going off
01:04:11.020
what feels right, that feels right. Yeah. We, my, my oldest son and I were able to,
01:04:17.740
fortunately we drew out for a moose tag here in Maine. And so we were able to shoot a moose this
01:04:23.120
year. And I can't tell you, I mean, we've, we've shot other animals. We've both been successful to
01:04:27.680
some degree. And, and, but man, just something about it, sitting around the table, eating a moose roast
01:04:33.840
that we went out and we spent time, we hunted, we broke down, you know, we got back to camp,
01:04:40.920
we cooked ourselves. It's an amazing, amazing process. And the food always just tastes a little
01:04:46.460
bit better when you do it that way. Oh yeah. It's the best. And there's an appreciation for it.
01:04:51.800
You know, it's just like, it's, it's just way different than getting something at the grocery
01:04:56.020
store. It's, it's the same as someone growing their own garden too, right? Like if someone shares
01:05:01.900
some vegetables with you, they've grown in their own garden, there's a sense of pride
01:05:05.460
there. Um, so I just love it. It's just something with food. I mean, obviously it's something that
01:05:12.840
keeps us alive. We all need to eat. So there must be something primal in us that just has that reward
01:05:18.540
system for getting it. But yeah, back to what we were saying earlier, like our society, it's,
01:05:24.680
it's gotten too easy. It's too easy to go to the store. I mean, you could really, like,
01:05:31.520
if you wanted to live off McDonald's, you could live off McDonald's and you could literally spend
01:05:37.040
three, four bucks a day doing that. It costs a lot more for us to go hunting. I can tell you that.
01:05:43.680
Well, you might not live that long either. I mean, you might, you might shorten your years if you were
01:05:48.940
to do that. Absolutely. But I do feel like the human body's pretty adaptable where you would
01:05:55.780
get some good years out of there. It's true. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. Um, what a crazy role we
01:06:04.560
live in, but I love it and I love trying to adapt to it, you know? Yeah. Well, I love what you're
01:06:09.720
doing, man. I love that you're trailblazing and you're, and you're making new paths and you're
01:06:13.300
introducing people to new things. And that's, that's what I wanted to talk with you about today.
01:06:16.620
Cause I want these guys to hear what you're doing and hopefully be motivated and inspired to
01:06:22.080
get some of this primal way of living to whatever degree they can back into their own life. So I
01:06:28.920
want to tell you, I'm inspired by you and I appreciate you joining me on the podcast, man.
01:06:32.620
Oh, thanks Ryan. That same for me. You know, I look at a lot of people and what they're doing and
01:06:38.200
it inspires me and you know, that's social media gets a bad rap, but people are taking it. You can
01:06:45.940
choose who you follow. If you know, follow some different people or something. If you feel like
01:06:52.120
there's some hate involved or something, or you're just not into it, but there is a special thing
01:06:58.080
that's there. And I love finding an inspiration in that and actually putting it to use. That's,
01:07:04.140
that's the key is not just letting it be empty inspiration to where you're sitting on your couch.
01:07:09.460
Wow. That's cool that that guy's doing that. And you get this little sense of, I'd love to do that.
01:07:15.540
And then you scroll to the next thing and you're like, Oh man, they're off to something else. So
01:07:20.860
as long as it's not like empty inspiration and you're actually like, I'm going to get out and do
01:07:25.300
that. I love it for that purpose. Well, tell the guys where to connect with you, how to find you
01:07:31.700
and stay in touch, especially as you start to do some of these adventures you're talking about.
01:07:36.960
I'm sure a lot of guys will hear about that as they come online. Yeah. So, uh, mainly just on
01:07:43.880
Instagram, which is at Danny Bolton. So D A N N Y B O L T O N. And it shows up as boar man as well
01:07:53.840
on there. A boar man is a nickname that was given to me and we kind of just have fun with it, but it's
01:08:02.860
turned into like that wild side that so that's, I started a brand called boar man now. So we have
01:08:10.660
a website. It's a boar man official, but I think boar man, I don't know what boar man.com was, but we
01:08:17.920
had to do boar man official for the website. And we also have an Instagram boar man official that will
01:08:23.120
have some of the, some of the products and stuff. And I want that to be more than just me. You know,
01:08:27.860
there's a lot of other people who live this lifestyle and a lot other people would do it way
01:08:32.040
better than I do. And I would love for other people to tap into that wild side with them as
01:08:38.180
well. So the brand is just going to be, um, it, there will be some training. I'm going to, I'm going
01:08:44.960
to probably eventually start a podcast in the YouTube and all that stuff and just get into making content.
01:08:50.800
And I want to share what I've learned and share that with the rules so people can go on there and
01:08:56.260
like, Oh, I want to learn how to do that. And you'll be able to find a place to learn from someone,
01:09:01.240
um, who doesn't try overcomplicate things too much, you know? Right. So that's, uh, that's where
01:09:08.600
you can find me, but yeah, by far the easiest is just going to be on my Instagram. And then you can
01:09:12.800
just ask me, I try to be pretty available for people if they want to ask questions or something,
01:09:18.020
especially if they're interested in doing something fun. I had someone asking me some
01:09:22.560
questions about forging knives yesterday. And you know, we have some incredible friends that are
01:09:29.980
the best in the world at forging knives. No doubt. So I can push them off to them. I'm not, um, as good
01:09:36.460
as them, but I, I understand the basics, you know, like I can get someone through the basics enough to
01:09:42.120
get them started. And then from there, they, they need to go find someone who's, uh, an absolute
01:09:47.560
professional in that situation. If they're trying to find out how to, how to temper a knife or,
01:09:52.560
you know, what temperature to do things or what different steel, but I try to be available for
01:09:58.220
people. Um, but don't ask me stupid questions. That that's a fair request. Yeah. No, I'm just
01:10:07.060
right on brother. Yeah. We'll, uh, we'll sync it all up for the guys, let them know where to go.
01:10:12.100
And once again, I appreciate you, man. I'm looking forward to seeing you in about a month
01:10:15.660
it, uh, at winter strong. Yeah. Thank you, Ryan. I appreciate it. And, um, thanks for having
01:10:20.660
me on. I love everything you're doing. So keep going on. Thanks. All right, you guys, there is
01:10:27.380
the one and only Danny Bolton. And I say that often the one and only, but this, this, this guy is truly
01:10:32.460
one of a kind. Uh, we've, we've been able to build a friendship over the past several years. And
01:10:36.460
as I said several times throughout this conversation, I'm inspired by what he's doing.
01:10:40.780
I'm motivated by what he's doing. I'm trying to bring some element of adventure back into my life
01:10:47.320
to not only mix things up, but to recapture that magic and that curiosity and the, the propensity
01:10:55.600
to take risks that I had as a boy. And I know a lot of us did as well. So if this one resonated
01:11:00.540
with you, reach out to me, reach out to Danny. Both of us are very active on Instagram. Like we ask
01:11:05.920
every week, take a screenshot of the podcast right now, tag Danny, tag myself and let him know what
01:11:13.040
you thought about the show. Let him know you listened here. And, uh, we talked a little bit
01:11:17.260
about some of his outdoor adventures that he's thinking about doing. I hope he does that sooner
01:11:22.200
rather than later. And as he does, I'm going to try to secure some spots for us in the order of man.
01:11:27.800
So I will let you know if, and when I'm able to do that. All right. And I'll keep you guys up to
01:11:31.840
date. Again, as I said earlier, a big thank you to you guys in supporting me and supporting this
01:11:36.620
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01:11:41.160
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01:11:58.420
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