Order of Man - DANNY BOLTON ｜ Tapping Back Into Our Primal Nature

00:00:00.000 As young boys, the world is quite literally our playground.

00:00:02.920 It seems so full of questions waiting to be answered and mysterious places to discover and explore.

00:00:08.080 It's in our nature to run and jump and play and unlock the secrets that call to us.

00:00:12.660 Then as we become men, we lose a lot of the natural curiosity and desire to traverse the world around us.

00:00:18.900 The world around us often becomes more like a jail cell than the playground we remember of our youth.

00:00:24.160 My guest today is a man who has not lost a bit of the curiosity and excitement of his youth.

00:00:29.020 If anything, he's cultivated it.

00:00:30.960 His name is Danny Bolton, and today you're going to hear how to recapture that magic.

00:00:35.320 We talk about how hesitation hurts us, a man's need to play, creating an enemy to fight against,

00:00:41.260 the analogy of the wolf, sheep, and sheep herder, the power of being ready for anything,

00:00:46.720 and how to tap back into our primal nature.

00:00:49.580 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest.

00:00:52.420 Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:55.120 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:59.820 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:04.820 This is your life. This is who you are.

00:01:07.360 This is who you will become.

00:01:09.080 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:14.280 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler.

00:01:16.940 I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement.

00:01:20.360 Welcome here today.

00:01:21.560 We are already midway through January. That's wild.

00:01:25.540 I cannot believe how fast and how quickly time goes.

00:01:30.140 And this podcast is really important because I think it's crucial that we learn how to be present in the moment

00:01:35.820 and recapture a lot of what we as boys remember,

00:01:39.480 which is to play in rough house and explore the world and take risks

00:01:44.100 and really figure out what was going on around us.

00:01:46.960 I don't want to lose any of that.

00:01:48.300 I feel like I have lost some of that, and I'm sure that you probably feel that way as well.

00:01:53.020 So this is going to be a powerful conversation with Danny,

00:01:56.120 a man that I admire and respect and somebody who's managed to hold on to that for a very long time.

00:02:01.980 And like I said earlier, to cultivate it as well.

00:02:04.440 I'm going to introduce you to Danny in a minute.

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00:03:27.040 All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to Danny.

00:03:29.880 He is a self-proclaimed adventure junkie.

00:03:33.360 It's not really hard to understand why he feels that's the case when you find out that

00:03:37.940 Danny Bolton is an avid hunter, spearfisher, mountaineer, dirt biker, off-road racer, knife

00:03:44.760 maker, and he's willing to try just about anything else that you might throw at him.

00:03:49.420 It seems like he spends his days conjuring up new ways to experience life, which is spent

00:03:54.840 most in his home state of Hawaii.

00:03:56.900 Danny and I met through mutual friends years ago, and he's been a huge inspiration to me

00:04:02.880 personally as I, too, try to rekindle some of the magic I remember as a youth and not

00:04:08.300 letting the adventure die as I get older.

00:04:11.580 Enjoy this one, gentlemen.

00:04:14.280 Danny, what's up, man?

00:04:15.320 It's great to see you.

00:04:15.980 It's been a long time since we talked.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, it's been a while.

00:04:19.300 Thanks for having me on.

00:04:20.360 I appreciate it.

00:04:21.020 Yeah, I mean, we're connected via Instagram and other places, but it seems like we're

00:04:27.000 not able to ever get in touch with each other unless there's an event with Soarin' X or something

00:04:32.240 like that going on.

00:04:33.220 We need to make it happen more often.

00:04:34.980 Yeah, can't complain about getting to go to some of those events.

00:04:37.640 So, I mean, they're so fun.

00:04:39.360 And just the people, it's really the people that you get to spend time with there that's

00:04:43.520 special.

00:04:44.520 So, people like yourself.

00:04:45.820 Yeah, no doubt.

00:04:47.240 And I feel the same.

00:04:48.320 So, I wanted to have you on because I want to talk with you about something I've always

00:04:52.220 been impressed by with you.

00:04:54.360 And you actually sent me a text a little bit ago with a video that I think encapsulates

00:05:00.660 perfectly what I wanted to talk with you about.

00:05:03.320 You sent it for the guys who won't be able to see it.

00:05:05.900 Maybe I'll figure out a way to post it up or something or they can follow you on Instagram.

00:05:08.800 Well, don't post that yet.

00:05:10.180 Like, I've been holding off to share that one.

00:05:13.640 But just because there's so crazy.

00:05:15.480 You can't always say anything about it?

00:05:16.360 Yeah, we can.

00:05:17.200 We can talk about it because it's one of those things that it almost needs an explanation.

00:05:22.900 If people see it and the shock and awe, I mean, me and you, whatever, we get it.

00:05:27.760 I'll let you explain the video then.

00:05:30.460 And then we can go from there.

00:05:32.180 Well, just to give a quick heads up for people what they're going to hear is I ended up stabbing

00:05:42.380 a ram with a knife.

00:05:48.480 And basically, the way it sounds very archaic, but that wasn't my intent to go hunting with

00:05:57.140 a knife.

00:05:57.640 My intent was to go bow hunting.

00:06:00.260 And of course, always the goal is to dispatch them as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

00:06:06.760 It's just this opportunity came up and that was the best option.

00:06:12.740 I was bow hunting.

00:06:14.220 I came up over a ridge.

00:06:15.560 Here's this ram by himself.

00:06:18.160 And I watched him for a while and he ended up dipping into this little low spot.

00:06:22.380 So, if you're spotting stock hunting, when they, you kind of watch them and if they can

00:06:28.340 see you, you know, if you can see them, they can see you.

00:06:31.080 So, like this thing dipped into this little low spot where he couldn't see me.

00:06:34.300 So, I quickly rushed up when he couldn't see me.

00:06:39.620 You know, I quickly took a look around and made sure there was no other rams that would

00:06:43.620 spot me.

00:06:44.120 And I rushed up to this little spot where he had dipped up over into this little hole and

00:06:49.960 I popped my head up over expecting to see him within 30 yards.

00:06:54.060 And I had an arrow knocked.

00:06:55.140 I was ready to go.

00:06:56.520 And he wasn't there.

00:06:58.520 So, when I popped up, he was gone and it's real open terrain.

00:07:03.200 And so, I was confused.

00:07:04.680 I thought maybe somehow he dipped out of there without, you know, me seeing because they do

00:07:11.900 that.

00:07:12.180 They're just like ninjas sometimes, but it just seems so odd that he wasn't there.

00:07:16.960 And so, I started creeping real slow.

00:07:19.580 So, and when I got about 15 feet away from him, I didn't realize that he had bedded down

00:07:25.920 in this little cut in the grass.

00:07:29.580 So, if you're trying to picture it, I'm standing on some grass and then it extends out like

00:07:36.020 15 feet.

00:07:36.840 And then there's this little dugout that's like maybe a foot and a half lower than where

00:07:41.040 I was standing.

00:07:42.420 And he had his back rested right up against that dugout.

00:07:46.000 So, really all I saw was like a little bit of his back leg.

00:07:49.680 I seen a little bit of wool from his back leg.

00:07:53.460 And I was like, dang, there he is right there, you know, and then he had bedded down and went

00:07:57.320 to sleep.

00:07:59.020 Man, he must have been tired, but slow, but there was no shot for me because where I was

00:08:04.660 standing, I couldn't see any of his vitals and nothing.

00:08:07.340 I could just see his back leg.

00:08:09.320 And I thought about it and I could see the situation.

00:08:11.760 I was like, I can't stand right above this thing and shoot straight down.

00:08:14.960 And it's going to be very awkward.

00:08:18.180 So, I was like, screw it.

00:08:19.280 I'm just going to go up there. 0.79

00:08:21.240 I thought about just grappling him and like wrestling him.

00:08:24.220 I don't know.

00:08:24.540 I didn't really, my thought process wasn't really fully engaged.

00:08:28.840 I was just like in the moment.

00:08:31.240 So, when I dropped my backpack and my bow, I grabbed my knife and I was like, okay.

00:08:37.660 And as I was walking up to the sinks, I snuck up on it and took some time just to make every

00:08:43.300 step silent.

00:08:46.020 I was thinking, okay, I got this knife and I've had to do this before with animals.

00:08:51.660 And I'm like, where you have a knife and they're still alive and like wrestling.

00:08:56.040 Like, okay, you don't want to stab yourself.

00:08:57.560 Right.

00:08:58.720 So, I can't, I'm going to hold it in a way that, you know, the blade is coming out the

00:09:03.500 bottom part of my hand away from my thumb, you know?

00:09:06.960 So, at least it's facing away from me when I'm holding it.

00:09:10.580 Kind of like, you know, a horror movie.

00:09:12.240 You'd see somebody like stab something kind of like that.

00:09:14.600 So, I was like holding it.

00:09:15.420 So, it's away from me.

00:09:17.920 And I get up to it and I, the way it's laying, I'm thinking, okay, as soon as I put this where

00:09:24.820 it's vitals are, my, I'm right-handed and my head's kind of going to be next to his head

00:09:31.000 and he's got horns and he's just a headbutt and stuff.

00:09:34.900 So, like that thing's going to jump up and headbutt me.

00:09:37.360 So, I'm thinking, okay, shoot, how am I going to do this, you know? 0.99

00:09:39.780 So, just quick thinking, I just like, okay, I'm going to grab his horns and stab him at 0.99

00:09:44.340 the same time. 0.99

00:09:45.420 So, I get up to him and just simultaneously grab his horn with my left hand, stick the

00:09:53.120 knife in with my right hand and just hang on.

00:09:56.820 And it spun around and got a little awkward where it like twisted my wrist and I thought

00:10:01.340 about re-gripping it and I was like, I knew I got that knife where it needed to go.

00:10:05.980 Like, I know where the lungs and heart and everything lay.

00:10:10.380 And so, I was like, man, this thing's done.

00:10:13.200 And I saw it spun out of there.

00:10:15.800 I thought about wrestling it for a second.

00:10:17.660 I was like, well, don't be wrestling this thing with a knife in your hand.

00:10:20.540 You know?

00:10:20.740 So, I let him run out. 0.58

00:10:22.500 And he literally ran 20 yards, just as if you would have shot him with a bow.

00:10:26.060 20 yards and fell over within, you know, 10 seconds and died right there.

00:10:32.100 So, yeah.

00:10:32.680 Like, the reason I am cautious who I share that with is just because obviously someone

00:10:37.860 would see that as pretty barbaric.

00:10:39.960 And, you know, look at me as some kind of psycho of just stabbing animals to death. 0.84

00:10:45.660 Yeah. 0.99

00:10:45.840 So, I cleaned that thing and ate it no different than if I killed it with a bow. 0.58

00:10:50.800 Everything was all the same to me.

00:10:52.360 I mean, you're going out there with the intent of taking an animal's life to eat.

00:10:56.640 To me, it really doesn't matter if it's with a gun, bow, or a knife.

00:11:02.120 It is a little bit more, you're a little bit more connected.

00:11:05.980 Sure.

00:11:06.340 Because, I mean, you're feeling this thing wrestle away from you.

00:11:09.160 But, you know, the opportunity presented itself.

00:11:12.860 And who knows?

00:11:14.140 You know, maybe I will need to do that for real one day.

00:11:17.340 You know, the way the world's going.

00:11:18.900 Who knows, dude?

00:11:19.740 I might be out there out of arrows, out of ammo.

00:11:22.360 And then I already have it as practice.

00:11:25.120 But, yeah.

00:11:25.660 It's just an opportunity presented itself.

00:11:28.640 Maybe we'll share that video.

00:11:30.000 We'll see.

00:11:30.560 But, yeah.

00:11:32.220 I thought you'd appreciate that.

00:11:34.260 Oh, I did.

00:11:35.020 Was it a mouflon sheep?

00:11:36.380 Is that what it was?

00:11:37.440 It's a hybrid.

00:11:38.840 Hybrid. 0.73

00:11:39.280 Okay.

00:11:39.740 Right.

00:11:40.040 Yeah.

00:11:40.800 Yeah.

00:11:41.440 And that's a mix between what?

00:11:43.180 A black Hawaiian and a mouflon?

00:11:44.480 Is that what that is?

00:11:45.660 Yeah.

00:11:45.960 That'd be the easiest way to explain it.

00:11:47.200 Like, the black Hawaiian sheeps are just feral sheep.

00:11:50.180 Right.

00:11:50.320 So, anything with wool on it, it's got the feral sheep in it.

00:11:55.900 Like, the purebred mouflons is just hair.

00:11:59.000 Just like the interior would have.

00:12:00.560 You know, and they have a big beard.

00:12:02.420 Yeah.

00:12:03.060 That's what this is here.

00:12:04.240 This is a black Hawaiian right here. 0.95

00:12:07.220 This is one I killed on Big Island three or four years ago. 0.99

00:12:12.660 And then I was able to shoot a goat. 0.58

00:12:14.540 The goats above him. 0.97

00:12:15.720 I was able to shoot a goat.

00:12:17.240 I had a goat at, I popped up over a ridge and the herd saw me.

00:12:23.440 And so, I kind of slowly ducked down and they didn't bolt.

00:12:27.940 They just, they stayed.

00:12:28.900 So, I waited there and I crawled down the backside of a ridge knowing which way they were going to walk.

00:12:33.860 And they started to walk down and I kind of peeked my head around the corner and saw the billy.

00:12:38.800 And I was like, all right, here's my shot.

00:12:40.280 But I had already ranged it and it was 75 yards.

00:12:43.540 Yeah.

00:12:43.740 And I'm like, oh man.

00:12:45.000 Like, it was getting towards the end of the day.

00:12:46.640 I'm like, I know where he's going to go.

00:12:48.520 Like, 70, that's a long poke.

00:12:50.100 I don't know.

00:12:51.500 And he walked exactly where I thought he was.

00:12:53.800 And I drew back.

00:12:54.620 And right before I was about to release, one of the nannies walked in front of him. 1.00

00:12:58.520 And I was like, oh, wait.

00:12:59.880 So, she went.

00:13:01.000 And then she moved. 0.89

00:13:02.260 As soon as she moved, I shot and ended up hitting him.

00:13:05.000 And he jumped up. 0.95

00:13:05.940 And we had to shoot him again.

00:13:07.660 He went and bedded down because I shot a little back. 0.97

00:13:10.200 I got shot at him.

00:13:11.200 But yeah, it was, it's pretty cool to hunt out there in Hawaii.

00:13:14.660 The fact that you're hunting, but then also you're in the middle of the sea on a volcano

00:13:20.440 is actually pretty amazing to me.

00:13:22.860 It's a cool phenomenon.

00:13:25.260 Yeah, it's a pretty special place.

00:13:28.180 You know, we just had the volcano, the regular volcano, Kilauea is erupting again right now.

00:13:33.860 It actually started yesterday.

00:13:35.120 But Mauna Loa, when we had that erupt about a month ago, you know, in my lifetime, I haven't

00:13:41.520 seen it erupt.

00:13:42.260 So, I don't know.

00:13:45.140 It just makes you, it just gives you a different appreciation for where you live, you know,

00:13:50.600 just to wake up and look behind the house and see the whole sky glowing red at two in

00:13:56.380 the morning.

00:13:59.080 And just to know that you're, you know, two, three thousand miles from anywhere, any of

00:14:05.780 the main lands, you know, it's crazy.

00:14:08.300 It's a special place.

00:14:09.700 And yeah, to be able to hunt here and it's, I mean, I love it, you know.

00:14:15.240 That's why, that's part of the reason I wanted to have you on because I think there's, you

00:14:19.660 know, we live in these concrete jungles and so many men are detached from nature, detached

00:14:26.880 from their wild side, detached from their primal roots.

00:14:31.780 And you're somebody that I look at and see who is intimately familiar in a lot of different

00:14:36.900 ways with who you are as a man, but like even who you are as a species, right?

00:14:42.620 We're supposed to be connected with the wild and be integrated with nature.

00:14:47.620 And I really respect that.

00:14:49.660 It's hard for a lot of guys to imagine a life like that considering where they come from.

00:14:54.240 And yeah, it's, and it's hard for me to imagine anything else because that's just the way I

00:14:59.660 grew up. 0.55

00:15:00.280 And, um, but as I got older too, I've definitely been more con, you know, cautious of it or

00:15:06.920 conscious of it.

00:15:08.260 And, uh, because it's like when you're a kid, it's easy to be a wild animal, right?

00:15:14.940 Like you have kids, they're, they're wild animals.

00:15:17.900 I mean, I don't care if you grew up in a concrete jungle or where you grew up, the kids are just 0.99

00:15:23.460 wild, you know, but as we grow older, we lose some of that.

00:15:29.700 Um, so it's fun to tap back into it and it's just, uh, it feels so right.

00:15:37.960 You know, like people, right.

00:15:40.580 Like I'm sure you've talked about this before, like all the toxic masculinity and all this stuff.

00:15:44.960 While I do agree that maybe there is some of that, um, where people are trying to fake

00:15:50.500 it almost just thinking that that's what they need to be.

00:15:54.040 But if you truly just let yourself be a wild, you know, it doesn't have to be all the time.

00:16:00.240 You don't always have to be crazy.

00:16:01.920 My, my whole thing is like, we're living in a modern world, right?

00:16:06.180 Like I drive a car, I know how to drive a car.

00:16:08.620 A lot of the work we do, uh, is done on the computer.

00:16:11.960 Like I need to know how to use Photoshop illustrator for some of the stuff that I do.

00:16:17.760 So there's a lot of the modern world that I need to, I can't just be this wild animal

00:16:22.640 living out in the sticks because that's an uncomfortable place.

00:16:25.360 I've been there, you know, I've, I've slept, you know, last year I probably slept, you know,

00:16:31.200 I don't want to over exaggerate, but easy 60 days on the ground, you know, in, in a tent

00:16:35.540 or just laid a tarp out and slept, um, it's not the most pleasant place to be.

00:16:41.300 So I like, I don't want, I like living in a house, you know, but there's like a fine,

00:16:48.260 there's a line there.

00:16:49.080 And as far as the animal side, we got to let that out.

00:16:52.740 If you don't let it out, you're, you're doing yourself a disservice.

00:16:55.760 And then, you know, the whole side of like the mental health side of things, it's hard

00:17:02.900 to take into account because that's not something you can just reach out and grab.

00:17:06.580 And like, here's your mental health.

00:17:07.980 Here's how to take care of it.

00:17:09.000 You know, like, Oh, I'm getting overweight.

00:17:11.820 Like that's your health.

00:17:13.120 It's not something you can see.

00:17:15.060 Um, but I've found that if you tap into that animal side a little bit more often, it helps.

00:17:21.320 It helps with me.

00:17:22.520 Like I can only really speak for myself, but I've, I've also tried to push other people

00:17:26.720 into that and I I've seen it kind of light something up in theirs.

00:17:30.440 And for that moment, for that day or the next day, that life is back in them, you know?

00:17:36.180 Yeah.

00:17:36.620 I feel the same way.

00:17:37.460 I, uh, when I started hunting, uh, six years ago, roughly, I think it's been about six years

00:17:43.600 ago.

00:17:44.100 You know, I, I didn't have a lot of, a lot of that in my life up to that point.

00:17:48.660 And yeah, it unlocked a side of me that wasn't, wasn't present, wasn't available before.

00:17:54.420 And yeah, I come back to my work and ordinary everyday life.

00:17:57.480 And, you know, we get inundated with our, our mundane schedules, but I look forward to

00:18:02.520 every hunt, whether it's on in Hawaii or Minnesota with a bunch of friends, or I'm taking my two

00:18:08.720 oldest boys to Texas in a couple of months.

00:18:10.720 And I look forward to those opportunities because they're just for, for a lot of us, they're just

00:18:15.800 few and far between and, and I'm, I'm curious how, when you say you, you want to push others

00:18:21.840 into that, or at least introduce them to that, where would you suggest that somebody that

00:18:26.040 maybe wants to unlock some of that would start?

00:18:29.680 You know, if, if we're just talking in general, honestly, now that I'm older and I can't just

00:18:35.940 go out and do all the wild things that I want to do, uh, the gym has been a great place

00:18:40.540 for me to tap into that a little bit.

00:18:43.260 Cause it's something I can do here at home.

00:18:45.820 Um, or if you got to go to a gym, but while you're working out, don't be afraid to let

00:18:50.900 that wild side out.

00:18:52.540 If you're going to lift the, if you're going to lift the weight, don't be afraid to just

00:18:56.440 like, wow, like let, you know, maybe not scream if you're in a gym or something, but just

00:19:01.560 let it just have that feeling of, you know, like I got to do this cause my life depends

00:19:08.180 on it and then just, you know, there's probably a million different hobbies that we do as kids

00:19:13.720 that we don't do anymore.

00:19:15.520 And just, you know, every once in a while might be good just to go back and do, do one

00:19:19.880 of those things.

00:19:21.120 Um, whether you used to go ride bikes or mountain bikes or skateboard, or even just playing basketball

00:19:26.540 or something, I don't know, just like play anything that's considered play.

00:19:31.700 I feel like there's a good chance to, to do that.

00:19:36.180 And then, uh, I'm going to try to do some, some trainings and stuff, but we are, I do

00:19:42.320 some of the military stuff for the off-road stuff, but that's, we, we tap into a little

00:19:47.320 bit of that just cause that's their mindset and that's my mindset, but I'd love to do some

00:19:51.620 private stuff as well.

00:19:53.200 Um, eventually down the line.

00:19:55.560 What, what would that entail?

00:19:57.020 Like, what do you see that being?

00:19:58.560 I see, I see people being able to come here to Hawaii because it's my backyard and I've

00:20:06.800 done this with some friends and kind of mocked it up already, but come here, uh, cause you're

00:20:14.280 totally out of place.

00:20:16.520 Um, you're away from your family that away, you're away from distractions.

00:20:21.440 It's the same way as when I go to the mainland.

00:20:23.260 Sometimes it's, it's nice to just be away because it allows your brain to escape.

00:20:29.240 You're not thinking about work because you can't, you know, grasp work.

00:20:32.580 You're out here in the middle of the ocean.

00:20:34.960 Um, we do some underwater training.

00:20:38.040 That's an easy one to get people very uncomfortable.

00:20:40.880 Holding your breath underwater is probably the easiest way I find to add stress to people's

00:20:48.380 life.

00:20:49.700 So as soon as I can get you comfortable holding your breath underwater, we've overcome a step

00:20:56.320 of a primal instinct to want to breathe.

00:21:03.600 And with time and practice, yes.

00:21:06.660 In that one week, we can, we can work on getting your stress levels to come down, which is going

00:21:12.820 to help your breath hold go up.

00:21:14.260 When you stress and you panic, your heart rate goes up, you're using more oxygen and it's,

00:21:22.080 it's not intuitive to holding your breath.

00:21:24.220 So you have to fight everything that your body wants to do to actually be able to improve

00:21:29.060 in that situation.

00:21:31.460 Well, that also can extend out into, into life.

00:21:34.880 You know, it's the same way any, some of the religions, you know, Buddha, whatever, they'll,

00:21:39.900 they'll teach you your breathing techniques and, uh, in stressful situations, it's shown

00:21:45.960 that with science, the proper breathing techniques can calm you down.

00:21:49.680 And we know how bad stress can be.

00:21:52.140 Um, as far as your health goes, I think a certain amount of stress is good, but for certain

00:21:57.600 things, people stress, I know for a fact, a hundred percent, I can say with certainty that

00:22:02.520 people stress about way more things and then we actually need to be stressing about in this

00:22:09.340 day and age.

00:22:10.740 We had a, uh, Oh God, go ahead and finish your thought.

00:22:13.860 I was going to.

00:22:14.380 Oh yeah.

00:22:14.620 So just, yeah, just come over here, do some underwater training.

00:22:18.180 Um, if you're into spearfishing or gathering, basically gathering your own food would be spearfishing

00:22:23.820 and, uh, hunting.

00:22:25.940 I would love for it to be bow hunting, but that's a little bit more involved as you know,

00:22:29.540 as far as getting someone set up with a bow, if they've never done it before, but I have,

00:22:34.240 I've done literally crash course, uh, get someone shooting a bow one day and have them

00:22:40.780 hunting the next day.

00:22:42.780 Everybody's different.

00:22:43.520 I can't say that everybody's going to be like that.

00:22:45.380 And, you know, that may sound irresponsible, but I've seen people shoot amazing at 20 yards.

00:22:51.560 And I, I feel confident that if I'm right there with them in their ear, kind of coaching

00:22:57.000 them through when to shoot, um, staying calm that it's, it's doable, but, uh, stuff like

00:23:04.900 that, you know, come over for a couple of days, maybe three day course or five day thing.

00:23:09.020 And, uh, just get away from your normal life and come get, get stress inoculation involved,

00:23:15.480 but then learn how to deal with it.

00:23:18.040 Right.

00:23:18.560 Yeah.

00:23:18.980 Let, let me know when you decide to do that.

00:23:20.740 Cause I know we could get five to 10 guys.

00:23:23.120 I don't know how, how many men or women that would entail, but I know I could get five 0.99

00:23:27.140 to 10 to 20 to a hundred guys like that who would want to be involved with something like

00:23:31.860 this.

00:23:32.060 So let me know when you, when you bring that about.

00:23:34.200 I will.

00:23:34.500 Yeah.

00:23:34.700 We'll keep in touch for sure.

00:23:36.180 I'll be one of those people.

00:23:37.580 It'll be fun.

00:23:37.820 It's fun, dude.

00:23:38.760 It's just a blast, you know?

00:23:40.160 Yeah.

00:23:41.160 I'm glad you're talking about stress.

00:23:42.820 I was on a call with our guys this morning for, for one of our weekly calls.

00:23:46.400 And one of the questions that got brought up is how do you deal with future uncertainty?

00:23:51.280 Uh, how do you deal with, uh, maybe some grief and sorrow or remorse for things that you've

00:23:57.780 done in the past.

00:23:58.680 And I think a lot of these things are beyond our control.

00:24:03.700 And I think that's probably what makes it the hardest.

00:24:06.520 If it's within our control, then, you know, we can do something about it.

00:24:10.040 But if it's outside of our control, then it's easier to stress about.

00:24:13.380 And I think the level of stress for men in modern society is probably higher than it's

00:24:19.260 ever been because we have no direction and we have less and less ability to deal with

00:24:24.860 the stress when we inevitably face it.

00:24:28.040 I would agree.

00:24:29.160 You know, if we just want to break it down real simple, when we were cavemen or living

00:24:37.680 in teepees, our purpose, our job was to hunt and then to also protect our tribe.

00:24:47.160 Right.

00:24:47.900 So we knew what our purpose was every day.

00:24:50.240 You know, we knew when something came screaming in the middle of the night, we had to get up

00:24:55.180 and that was, that was us that needed to be there.

00:24:58.000 Um, when we need to go get food, that was us that needed to go get it.

00:25:03.560 It wasn't as easy as going to the grocery store or anything like that.

00:25:08.340 Well, now, um, there's a lot more involved, you know, there, we can't just be that.

00:25:15.440 We can't just be that person.

00:25:16.780 We can't just go hunt every day and then come home and be treated like a hero because

00:25:21.520 we kept our whole tribe alive.

00:25:22.820 So I think there's a couple of things there.

00:25:25.540 It's like one, our purpose of life is way more complicated than it's ever been.

00:25:33.480 And the gratitude for the things that we do is no longer there.

00:25:38.900 Right.

00:25:39.540 Like, yeah, the, the gratitude from our communities is no longer there.

00:25:45.540 If, especially if we go to work, let's just say if you go to work and, and, and modern

00:25:51.800 day, you just sit at a computer all day.

00:25:54.460 Uh, that's all good.

00:25:55.540 You, you are providing for your family, but when you get home, there's no sense of like

00:26:02.840 huge accomplishment, not only from your community, but also yourself, you know, you're not, you're

00:26:08.760 probably not feeling like, man, I really slayed it today, man.

00:26:12.040 I got that key, you know, those spreadsheets, man. 0.98

00:26:14.860 I killed those. 0.98

00:26:15.500 You guys, exactly. 1.00

00:26:18.020 You know?

00:26:18.720 So it's, I don't know if our, if our brains will get rewired.

00:26:24.720 Cause I, I do feel like given the right circumstances, we probably could maybe feel a little bit better

00:26:33.240 about ourselves, about the things that we're doing, because even if you go and you're actually,

00:26:38.720 let's say you have a job that actually contributes to society, not to say tapping on a keyboard

00:26:44.260 doesn't, um, let's just use that for an example.

00:26:47.120 You know, I do feel like there has to be some satisfaction there that we're not giving ourselves.

00:26:54.000 Um, because it starts with us, you know, like we need to be our own biggest fans before we can

00:27:00.340 expect our, our communities to really care or our spouses or our children, whatever it is.

00:27:07.940 So, um, yeah, to get back to it, I think the lack of purpose is no longer there and it's just,

00:27:13.900 it's very complicated.

00:27:15.160 Our, our society is very, very complicated now, whereas I don't feel like it was as complicated

00:27:20.980 before, but we did deal with a lot more struggles, you know, a lot more nights that were cold,

00:27:25.980 a lot more hunger. Um, even just like, if you talk to anybody who's been on any of those shows,

00:27:32.700 like making it afraid or anything, ask them about the bugs, you know, the bug situation.

00:27:37.940 We don't deal with that anymore. We got nice soft clothes, you know, and we slept in sleeping bags.

00:27:43.880 Yeah. It's pretty wild when you do some of these things and it really puts into perspective what

00:27:48.380 you're worried about. I think that's part of the, the, the draw, maybe not the draw, but the benefit

00:27:54.920 of, of doing these challenging things, even if it's a challenging hunt, you know, when I was on the big

00:27:59.540 Island there, uh, it wasn't hard, you know, we, we were out for a day. I mean, literally a day

00:28:06.340 walking around. We were maybe at most five miles from our vehicle at most. And even then, you know,

00:28:13.260 it was hot and we were carrying our bags and we had to break the animal down and carry it back.

00:28:18.860 And it wasn't difficult, but it was challenging enough that it begins to make you feel alive

00:28:24.840 in a way that we are just not challenged at all. I mean, usually if it's a challenge,

00:28:30.040 it's up in your mind and it's, it's something that you create for yourself, not something you're

00:28:34.020 actually pitted against. And I think men need to have some sort of, uh, like an enemy, maybe,

00:28:40.240 you know, something to confront and fight against in a way.

00:28:44.200 Yeah, I would agree. Um, yeah, I don't know what that, what that enemy could be for, for me,

00:28:50.940 I can only speak for myself. Um, I kind of create that on my own, you know, we can all be our own

00:28:58.100 worst enemy and not in a healthy way either, but you can also do it in a healthy way. You can be that

00:29:05.420 person who can get in your own head and be like, you know what, you need to get it today. You know,

00:29:11.200 like you're being a sissy and, uh, you, you don't want, you know, like you don't want to be this 0.99

00:29:18.260 sissy. And the more you do it, the more you give into it, the easier it is to become, um, just weak, 0.99

00:29:25.440 you know? Sure. So yeah, it'd be, it'd be cool to sit down and kind of brainstorm what,

00:29:30.700 what some ideas could be to create that enemy that we almost need. Right. You almost need that

00:29:37.400 someone there pushing you. Um, because yeah, we're, we're a weird, we're a weird species. You

00:29:43.940 know, there's, there's two different people out there. There's the, as you could simply put like

00:29:49.740 the wolf and the sheep. Right. And I was having this conversation with our mutual friend of ours,

00:29:56.980 but I was saying, especially in today's society, there's definitely people out there that need to

00:30:03.660 be led. And that's just, is what it is. It's sometimes this is the easiest thing. I'm not

00:30:08.700 sure it's the most healthy thing for our mental state, but you know, sometimes having a job and

00:30:14.180 having someone in charge who knows all the answers and all you got to do is the labor. That's like the

00:30:18.980 best and easiest thing. It's nice to be that person. Sometimes it's just digging the ditch and

00:30:23.140 someone else is going ahead with the plan, showing you where, you know, painting out lines on where

00:30:27.060 to dig it and how deep. Um, so I was saying we almost need more sheep herders because some people

00:30:34.140 are just sheep and just want to be sheep and there can't just be wolves and sheep. There also has to

00:30:39.040 be sheep herders, but I don't know. I don't, I haven't thought too much into that to where

00:30:44.500 definitely I feel like the wolf mentality, cause you're just running with other wolves is,

00:30:50.480 it's pretty good as well. Um, cause you're, you, you got the lead wolf and then, you know,

00:30:58.140 there's only a small pack that runs with them. Hey guys, I'm going to take a quick break from

00:31:03.500 the conversation. Normally I would pitch you something right here. I'm not going to do that.

00:31:07.960 I just want to take a quick minute to thank you for all of the support over the past eight years.

00:31:12.880 I'm well aware that we would not be where we are without you tuning in, listening in, coming to our

00:31:18.920 events, joining our brotherhood, the iron council and stepping up more fully in your own lives. Now

00:31:24.140 I have not tried to hide the fact that the end of 2022 and beginning of 2023 have presented some

00:31:32.320 real personal struggles for me, but I do want to let you know that your support and your example

00:31:38.280 and also your brotherly love, your support and care has made this work meaningful to me

00:31:43.600 and really given me purpose when all else in life seems to waver quite a bit, especially in this

00:31:49.600 season of my life. Uh, so that's it just a genuine thank you from me and a message that I don't plan

00:31:55.700 to stop doing this anytime soon. As long as there's breath in me and men like you willing to listen and

00:32:01.180 apply what we're sharing, then I will keep fighting for the cause of manliness and masculinity.

00:32:07.080 And I hope you will as well. Uh, the world needs it now more than ever. And we have a lot, a lot of

00:32:12.260 work to do in 2023 and moving forward indefinitely. So again, thank you very much. Keep listening,

00:32:19.160 keep tuning in, keep supporting where you feel appropriate. And, uh, let's get back to the

00:32:23.100 conversation with Danny. I think, uh, we've, we've evolved to be super hyper efficient, which means

00:32:34.160 that we'll look for the path of least resistance when we're presented with two paths is it's, it's

00:32:40.300 like being out in the wilderness and you come across a game trail. Why do all the animals follow

00:32:45.200 the same trail? I mean, they can go an infinite number of directions and yet all of the animals

00:32:49.840 funnel into one trail. Why they're, they're following, they're choosing the path of least

00:32:55.260 resistance. That trail has already been beaten down and stamped down and, and, and freed of debris and,

00:33:01.320 and rubble and rocks. And that's what we do is we just look for that path of least resistance.

00:33:07.560 And it's no wonder to me that we can't find any fulfillment because there's nothing that's

00:33:12.200 challenging to bump up against and actually make ourselves stronger.

00:33:17.580 Yeah, totally. Um, I just, when you're talking about that, I just think about the,

00:33:22.540 just the old, old days of finding new worlds, you know, like the guys that were out there,

00:33:28.720 even though you would say that when Lewis and Clark came across or who, you know, whoever's

00:33:35.040 discovering the West, it was already discovered right by native Americans. So they were kind of

00:33:40.160 forging their own path, but that's, that's a crazy thing. You know, I just, there, there is something

00:33:46.240 in the human nature that has that sense of adventure that even us, right? Like how many times have you been

00:33:56.840 on a trail and look at little kids, like go back to looking at little kids, you walk on a trail and

00:34:02.340 all they want to do is jump off it. That's all they want to do. You know, they just want to take this,

00:34:07.500 they just want to get off that trail. It's funny. Um, so yeah. And, but we do, we do become more

00:34:15.080 and more just want to be on the trail and what's comfortable because we don't know what's off of the

00:34:20.060 trail. Um, I wonder if it's just that uncertainty. Yeah. Yeah. Or what could be right. The potential

00:34:27.700 of what could be on the other side of that trail or just over that hill. Like I'm a very curious

00:34:32.500 person. So I want to know, you know, I don't want somebody to tell me, I mean, you could tell me

00:34:38.100 what's over there, but I got to see it for myself. Like I want to go over and check it out for myself

00:34:42.500 with all of the different things that I've seen you do that, you know, people who follow you on

00:34:47.280 Instagram or know you to some degree would see with hunting and you're underwater stuff,

00:34:51.700 just everything that you do. Uh, is there, is there a common theme is what, if you were to ask

00:34:59.600 what, what is your purpose? Cause we were talking about that earlier. What, what would you say your

00:35:04.240 purpose is? And that's a good question. Um, you know, it's, it's not until I reached my thirties,

00:35:12.760 I'd feel like I really started looking at that, you know, because up until that point,

00:35:18.740 I was just doing everything that felt right without a thought. There was no thought. It was

00:35:24.200 just like, whatever feels good. I'm doing it. You know, if this job comes up doing it,

00:35:29.260 if I'm in a job that was not feeling right for me, I'd quit and I'd go find something else to do.

00:35:35.300 That's kind of why I, it sounds bad because I've done so much different work, but

00:35:39.720 I've learned a lot doing a lot of different things. And sometimes it just, it doesn't feel

00:35:45.240 right. Whether it's someone I'm working with or whatnot. Once I reached my thirties, I feel like,

00:35:50.300 and, and I guess having a kid to probably helped a lot with that. You start thinking like, what's

00:35:57.120 your purpose, you know? And the silly things that I do as far as skateboarding and going free diving,

00:36:05.420 you could almost look at those as kind of silly things. Like there's, what's the purpose,

00:36:10.020 you know, it's kind of a selfish act, but I've come to the realization that I've, I've pushed other

00:36:20.700 people into doing some things that feel right for themselves, you know, by, by me posting something

00:36:26.500 of me skateboarding or me free diving, I've had people like, Oh man, that inspired me to go out and

00:36:35.120 do something. Um, which is weird because social media is such a weird thing. And I've come to a

00:36:41.100 pretty healthy place with it where I don't take it too serious. And I kind of just do whatever feels

00:36:46.460 right. And don't, don't put too much thought into it, but I've had a lot of people reach out and be

00:36:51.480 like, man, I really was inspired by that. And it inspired me to get out and do some stuff. And I have

00:36:58.900 always been that way with other people. I've, I've loved to push them into uncomfortable situations.

00:37:05.660 Um, I've gotten in a lot, a lot of people into, into some very uncomfortable situations,

00:37:11.980 but I love it because it creates fun stories, you know, later on for sure. But, uh, I do feel like

00:37:19.360 part of me is that purpose. Yeah. So part of me does have that purpose of just wanting to get other

00:37:26.960 people out of their, of their situation that they're in and just push them into comfort,

00:37:31.860 uncomfortable places. Um, and I do love teaching people things that I've learned. I do feel like

00:37:40.660 everybody kind of does need to learn the hard way. Um, too much, there can be too much coaching

00:37:46.340 involved, at least sort of the way I learned. So I've learned things the hard way of just learning

00:37:52.360 and I'm without a coach. Um, so I'm more than happy to expedite that process for somebody as

00:37:57.980 quickly as I can, but there's going to be a point where you can only explain so much

00:38:02.320 and then you, you need to experience it for yourself. Um, so in a quick answer, my purpose

00:38:11.520 would probably just be a father and raising my child the best I possibly can. So as soon as I know

00:38:17.460 that I'm past that point, I take that same philosophy and add it to whoever else, close

00:38:23.780 friends, even strangers that I feel like could benefit from what I have. And also just to become

00:38:30.100 like the best is it is silly as it sounds like I want to be the best version of myself as far as

00:38:39.160 I'm ready for anything. So if someone calls me tomorrow and it's like, Hey, we're going on this

00:38:45.580 hunt. I'm ready. Someone calls me and we're going diving all day. I'm ready. Um, we're

00:38:51.740 going to go hike up to the top of this mountain. Okay, let's do it. You know, or even something as

00:38:57.700 crazy as, you know, my daughter's birth was kind of gnarly. So like I learned a lot in that process

00:39:03.900 since then I've helped out with other people's, uh, you know, childbirths. Cause like I was able

00:39:12.740 to be it and see that process. And I, I've been with a couple other people and help them like

00:39:17.720 they're struggling through their childbirth. And I came in just to be that voice of reason.

00:39:22.580 Our medical system can be very medically inclined and they just want to push certain agendas. And it's

00:39:29.680 like, wait a minute, is the baby healthy? Is the mom healthy? Why are we rushing this natural process?

00:39:34.540 Of course, there's always a time that we need to intervene, but a lot of times, so I don't know,

00:39:41.260 random stuff like that. I, I just, uh, it just comes to me, you know, like I just do what feels

00:39:47.360 right. And I try not to overthink things too much. I feel like I'm pretty good at living in the

00:39:51.220 present. So I'm, I'm able to just accept the day for what it is. And if something feels right,

00:39:57.260 if I need to hang out with someone or something, um, that's my purpose for that day, you know,

00:40:03.160 what, what is your, what is your relationship or your thoughts around,

00:40:07.800 you know, the threat of, of injury or death? Like I, I tend to be a more calculated person.

00:40:14.400 So I will take that into consideration, um, pretty heavily and, and I'll make visions with that in

00:40:21.800 mind, especially as a father, right. I've, I've got kids that rely on me and I've got other things

00:40:26.700 that I want to accomplish. I'm very curious about when I see the things that you do, you know,

00:40:30.460 from the outside looking in, you could say, man, these things are risky. There's a lot of risk

00:40:34.860 associated with it. And so what's your, what's your relationship with risk and how that plays

00:40:40.520 into your decision-making process. As far as getting hurt, there's not much consideration

00:40:47.080 for getting hurt. Um, I've always been good at just dealing with pain and having the mindset that

00:40:56.700 I'll heal. I've from a year, young age, as crazy as this sounds, I've always felt like if something

00:41:04.720 happened and I became paralyzed or something, I would just deal with it. Like whatever, that would

00:41:11.240 be my life at that point. You know, that's a crazy thought to think, uh, it's weird to say it out loud,

00:41:17.360 but I've had that thought. And I, and it's like, I'm sure after it would happen, I would probably

00:41:24.400 regret it. Um, I try not to live with too much regrets, but there's not much consideration for

00:41:30.420 injury. Um, at that point, it just is what it is. Death on the other hand, like you said, now that we

00:41:40.060 have kids, it's a little different, um, because there's someone who kind of relies on you now,

00:41:47.020 but I do feel like if I don't do some of these things, I'm not, I'm not showing my child how,

00:41:56.900 how well you can live life and the excitement that there is out there to live life.

00:42:01.440 And as well as, you know, as far as death goes, I just, it's not, here's an easy way. Like when

00:42:14.340 we used to race off road, we would race as fast as we felt we needed to race because in offered

00:42:22.760 racing, a lot of it has to do with keeping the truck alive and not breaking it. Yeah. Right. Just

00:42:28.620 be in the game. Right. Just be in the game. And a lot of those offered races, only like 50% of the

00:42:33.860 people that, uh, start finish. So there's a lot of just keeping the truck alive. But when we drove

00:42:41.760 conservative, it almost, it, it, it didn't help, you know, like when you're driving at where you think

00:42:53.360 obviously not over, you can easily overdrive the vehicle, but if you're in race mode,

00:42:58.620 your brain is like tuned in, right. You're, you're way more focused. I feel the same way about

00:43:05.900 life. You know, like if, if you're tuned in to life and doing these things that actually make you

00:43:12.480 question like, Hey, if I, if I screw this up right now, there's, there's a possibility of death or

00:43:17.860 injury. So the more situations I could put myself in like that, the more sharp my mind becomes and the

00:43:27.580 more sharp, all my senses become, and I can only get to that place by being there. Uh, you know,

00:43:35.440 not, I wouldn't say close to death because you can, you don't have to be right on the edge of the cliff,

00:43:41.140 you know, hanging off of it to get that feeling. There's, there's other times where you can get

00:43:45.920 that feeling and it's all, it's all perception. Like I was explaining this to somebody, everybody

00:43:53.900 drives a car and we drive by other cars going the other direction, 70 miles an hour that are less

00:44:01.360 than 10 feet away. So if you were standing at a nice quiet forest and all of a sudden, okay,

00:44:09.480 let's say 70 miles an hour, one way and 70 miles an hour, the other way, that's 140 miles an hour.

00:44:14.100 If you were standing in the forest and a boulder came flying by you at 140 miles an hour,

00:44:19.760 10 feet away, you would feel like you almost died. Right. Right. But since we do it so much

00:44:26.720 and we've gotten away with it so many times driving, it's not even a, it's not even a thing.

00:44:31.860 We all ladies, little kids, it's, it's perception. So like the more you do some of those things, 0.99

00:44:39.640 the more your perception goes away of this isn't actually that dangerous. Um, does that,

00:44:46.800 does that make sense? Yeah. It's interesting. I wrote down here, as you were saying that it just

00:44:51.180 to reframe it, the way I heard you say it is that the, because you're playing maybe at greater stakes,

00:44:56.660 it makes you, it makes you sharper and makes you perform better. It almost forces you in a way

00:45:02.240 and puts you in a position where you have to perform at your best. Otherwise you run some

00:45:08.140 very serious risks. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Do you have any, uh, any examples of, of situations that

00:45:18.740 you've been in where you're thinking, Hey, you know what? Like this could be it. Like I I'm, I'm,

00:45:24.060 I'm in a very bad way right now. Nothing long and drawn out. Okay. I've had a few. Well,

00:45:32.680 I've never laid there and like, man, you know, I got to get out of this situation cause I'm starving

00:45:40.080 and freezing. I've had a few cold nights. Um, but more just quick, you know, quick motorcycle

00:45:46.800 almost like, Oh my God, I almost hit that tree, hit a rock and like got bounced all sideways. And

00:45:54.780 you know, it's weird because those are split second things that go by

00:46:02.060 your death experiences, but you kind of just like brush them off.

00:46:07.500 But there's been other times where I've woken up on the ground, not knowing where I was and I

00:46:14.360 couldn't feel my legs. You know, one time I remember looking down at my feet. I remember

00:46:18.700 looking down at my feet, uh, and I couldn't feel my legs. And I was like, man, this sucks. This is 0.92

00:46:25.420 bad. Like I remember having that feeling and I remember moving my toes and I was like, yeah,

00:46:29.760 like they're still there, you know, like I didn't have feeling of it, but I remember being able to move

00:46:33.700 them. And, uh, you know, that I rattled my head pretty good, but that could have easily been,

00:46:40.000 that could have easily been it for me, but it happened so quick. You know, it wasn't some long

00:46:45.860 drawn out process. So sure. I've had a few shark encounters that in the moment I don't give into it.

00:46:56.520 I had one recently, like actually during that, when we shot that sore next film,

00:47:01.780 we went out to a spot that has lots of sharks and I was going to get Ricky in the water. And I,

00:47:07.840 if it was mellow enough and thankfully he didn't get in the water. And right when I got in, I had

00:47:12.000 this shark harassing me. My thought process in my head while that was happening was this little

00:47:18.320 weak ass shark. Like, like what, if he like bites me, you know, whatever, maybe he takes a finger or 0.99

00:47:25.300 something. It's not going to be serious. That's what I was telling myself in my head. Now I got back on

00:47:31.760 the boat, that shark, that same shark had bitten one of the fish in half that my cousin had caught

00:47:38.640 on the boat. Oh, geez. And we're talking like, like your whole butt cheek would have been gone.

00:47:46.140 Right. And then I've seen, I've seen them beat these fish in half. Like if you, if I took a fish

00:47:50.920 and try to rip it in half, I know how strong it is. It's like pure muscle. So I see how quick it

00:47:56.820 happens. That thing could have took my butt cheek off, like, or my leg, whatever cat without even 1.00

00:48:02.700 a question. And like, boom, that would have been it. I probably would have bled out and died.

00:48:07.980 So it's not till after you like giggle about it, but in the moment I have a pretty good job. I do a

00:48:14.880 pretty good job at lying to myself. So do you think, so do you think that serves you in the moment or,

00:48:21.260 or, or, or hurts you? Like, like how does that process play out? Okay. So how does it, how does

00:48:26.520 it, how does it serve you? Cause me, I get to that and I'm like, I'm out, like I'm getting out of the

00:48:31.640 water. I'm out of here. I'm not doing this. I'm not even getting in the water. So in that case,

00:48:37.440 I ended up not diving that day, you know, but I went through the experience of dealing with that

00:48:41.620 shark and trying to shoot some other fish, but that they were just too aggressive. So I made the

00:48:46.540 decision to finally get out. Um, when I made that decision, it was only because I had that one

00:48:53.040 shark. It was okay to keep an eye on one shark. And he was kind of like coming in, harassing me,

00:48:57.900 harassing me, and then he'd swim away and come back in. But another one came, uh, into the picture

00:49:03.960 that was probably, I didn't, it was down deeper, but it was probably eight to 10 feet. And this one

00:49:10.580 was probably six, seven feet. When I seen that bigger shark show up cause sharks, they feed off 0.60

00:49:16.600 each other, like behavior breeds behavior. So if one's aggressive, the other ones think,

00:49:20.520 Oh, something else is going on. I knew I couldn't keep my eye on two of them. So I was like, that's

00:49:25.560 it. I'm good. Like I'm going to get back in the boat. I'm going to call, you know, cut my losses and

00:49:29.420 get out. But what I was going to say, why it benefits me in certain situations, maybe not that

00:49:35.960 situation, but it gets rid of the hesitation for me. Um, and I've seen a lot of mistakes by myself

00:49:42.780 made with hesitation. And then also in the, in the coaching that I do, as far as off-road training,

00:49:47.300 if you hesitate, uh, that can be the mistake, you know, that could be it. That could be the

00:49:54.620 difference between success and failure. Um, cause even if you hesitate for that split second,

00:50:00.240 that puts you in the wrong line as far as off-roading and you know, you're not going to

00:50:06.160 make that climb or let's take hunting. For example, if you hesitate for that quick second,

00:50:13.060 um, you may not get that shot ever again. That may be the difference. Yeah. So I think about that,

00:50:20.060 like, you know, you, there's that stat that most the, uh, like, let's just say elk hunting,

00:50:26.840 most elk kill there are by 10% of the people, but it's, what is it? It's like, it's, uh, no,

00:50:34.380 10% of the people are successful. And it's only like 1% of the people who want actually fill that

00:50:39.560 10% or I forget what it is, but basically the people who are actually performing at that high

00:50:46.480 level and able to take those opportunities and turn them into success. I feel like that's because

00:50:53.660 there's no hesitation involved. If you take someone who just started hunting, they may have that

00:50:58.100 hesitation and may have, may have missed that shot. So I just feel for me, there can't be any

00:51:05.200 hesitation. Uh, I, I probably equate it back to skateboarding as a kid. If you're rolling up to

00:51:11.640 jump off a set of stairs, if you hesitate, uh, for a split second, you may jump off kind of weird and

00:51:18.960 you're going to eat it. You know, you have to be fully committed and you have to just in your head,

00:51:24.060 think that you got it no matter what. It's the same thing with riding up to a big jump.

00:51:27.980 They're biking. If you're riding up to a jump and you think for a second, I may not make it,

00:51:32.900 you know, and you, and you don't give it the gas that you needed to do, or you tap the brake.

00:51:36.660 I've seen a lot of people crash like that. Yeah. And I've done it, uh, many times. So I feel like if I

00:51:43.940 just don't hesitate, even if I'm going to crash, whatever, but without that hesitation there,

00:51:49.180 I feel like it benefits me. I've never really considered this before since you started talking

00:51:55.420 about it, but yeah, it's, it's very interesting because why do we hesitate? Well, we hesitate

00:51:59.740 because we're afraid, right? It's fear. It's, it's fear of something might happen to us or, uh, fear

00:52:05.480 that we might look foolish. I know that's part of the reason I hesitate at times, but in the hesitation,

00:52:11.420 in our natural response to the fear, that's what actually creates the problem. It's, it's

00:52:17.440 counterintuitive. That's what's actually creating the problem. I remember when I, when I very first

00:52:21.500 started hunting, there was a couple of instances, one in Arizona where, uh, I, I stocked up on this

00:52:27.480 nice mule deer and I didn't really know what to do. Cause I never had any looks like that was one of my

00:52:33.320 first time hunting and the thing jumped, stood up and I had moments like replaying it now. I'm like,

00:52:39.920 oh man, I had moments where I could have killed this thing. And he jumped up and ran off and I

00:52:44.440 tried to shoot him as he ran and I missed. And like, it was, it was the hesitation that kept me

00:52:51.260 from making that shot. And I'm thought to myself, well, what, like, well, how would I have done it

00:52:56.420 differently? And really it's just the repetition of it. Yeah. It's just getting in there and doing it

00:53:00.960 over and over and over and over again to realize, okay, this is where I shoot. This is where I draw.

00:53:05.980 This is when I don't hesitate. This is when I maybe take my time, but you have to get those

00:53:10.720 reps in. Otherwise you'll never, you'll never put yourself in better positions.

00:53:15.280 Yeah, definitely. I feel like doing a lot of different things too helps with that for me,

00:53:19.140 at least, um, whether it be skateboarding, BMX, dirt biking, shooting bows, uh, it just,

00:53:27.040 all those things transfer over to each other, you know, um, as weird as it sounds, it,

00:53:33.920 I've benefited bow hunting from my skateboarding. It just is what it is. You know, like there's just,

00:53:42.720 is that there's going to come that time where that stressful moment of you got to make a decision.

00:53:48.720 And in my head, it's helped, you know, have the confidence and be able to shoot. And a good

00:53:55.080 example I've noticed too, you know, we're about to go to winter strong with Sornex and we have a fun

00:54:01.320 competition every year. And I see it's hard shooting around other people. Um, yeah, it's fun

00:54:14.080 because it's an added stress, you know, like something you don't normally get. You can shoot

00:54:18.200 at home all day. You could shoot great at home by yourself, you know, and then you get around other

00:54:23.460 people and it's like, there's nerves there. There's fear it, you know, are they going to make fun of me

00:54:28.880 if I just reckon air ball this arrow right now? Yes, they are. The answer to that is yes. Yes,

00:54:35.560 they are definitely, you know, and, uh, and then you put it into a competition form to where you have

00:54:41.720 teammates that are looking at you like, Hey, can you make this shot? Right. And you're, you're winded.

00:54:47.580 And so I feel like the nerves, you already have enough things going against you in that situation.

00:54:55.600 The last thing you need is your nerves and fear to be involved. So I feel like I can do a pretty

00:55:03.060 good job at pushing those things out. And I, I would love to try to push other people into that

00:55:09.280 same mindset of you got to be in the mindset that you're not going to miss, you know, even if you do

00:55:16.140 miss, that is what it is. But your whole mindset, when you pull that trigger is I'm not missing and

00:55:22.180 nothing else matters, you know, not what these people think, nothing else matters. So I think

00:55:29.380 just the nerves can get involved with people's heads, you know, and create that hesitation.

00:55:35.160 I, uh, I see so many of the things that you do. And I wonder, it seems to me, I'm like, Oh, okay.

00:55:39.420 Anything that comes to this guy's mind, like he does. And I'm, and I'm wondering if there's

00:55:43.680 things, adventures, trips, activities that you have on your list that you haven't done yet,

00:55:49.520 that you're like, I want to do that. That's my next thing that I'm going to get involved with.

00:55:55.380 Man, it's kind of endless. Like I got, I got a lot of big ambition to do a lot of different things,

00:56:02.080 but they kind of come at me when one comes, they'll stick. And that's, that's all I want to

00:56:08.060 do at that moment. Um, you know, in the long, I'd love to do some mountaineering. I'd love to get to

00:56:14.000 the top of some mountains. I've gotten to some smaller ones and, um, I'd love to do some of that.

00:56:20.240 Not super stoked on the cold though. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I'd love to tap more into that,

00:56:27.860 but rock climbing as well. I've done some bouldering and sport climbing and a little bit

00:56:33.220 of trad climbing. Never let it myself though. What do you mean? What, what, what would that be?

00:56:39.800 Okay. So obviously you know what rock climbing is, right? Right. Right. Yeah. You just climbing up

00:56:45.700 cliffs. So there's sport climbing is where there's already these bolts that are bolted into the wall.

00:56:54.020 And all you got to do is you clip your carabiner into it and you clip into your rope. That's it.

00:57:00.440 Trad climbing or traditional style is like where you're actually setting gear. You're having to set

00:57:05.840 cams and nuts into cracks. And as you're climbing, so it's just an added stress of a camp climbing up

00:57:13.120 this crack. And I need to put a piece of gear here to keep me safe. Cause I got my rope, but like

00:57:20.900 what size am I going to put? And I need to hold on with one hand at this point. Hopefully your feet

00:57:25.580 are in a good place. You take one hand off, you're putting a piece of gear in, then you clip your gear

00:57:30.780 in and then you're safe. At that point, you could probably lean on it if you needed to take a break.

00:57:35.780 But then as soon as you start climbing above that point, if you fall, you're going to fall with the

00:57:41.700 safety of that piece of gear. Right. Um, so you kind of climb as far as you feel comfortable. Usually

00:57:47.520 it's, it's less than about 10 feet depends on the climb and you put another piece of gear in to keep

00:57:53.440 you safe. Um, I'd love to, it's, it's kind of expensive to get all the gear I have going with

00:58:01.280 other people with all the gear, but I'd love to just, I love diving into that stuff like that. And

00:58:06.000 I don't know, I can do crazy stuff like that, but a lot of times it's just very simple things.

00:58:13.100 You know, I just want to spearfish more here at home and bow hunt more here at home. And

00:58:19.180 I don't need to go to any crazy places to do it. Some, some of my favorite hunting is just

00:58:24.480 axis deer hunting, which you've done a little bit here. Yeah. Um, you know, that's very easy

00:58:31.600 for me than going on a big hunt in Alaska or something. Um, but it's almost just as enjoyable

00:58:38.380 sometimes. Well, I'm anxious to see what you do, man. Like I, I, I'm inspired by you. I watch what

00:58:45.160 you do. I'm like, I need to do that. I want to do that. I need to get that. Cause again,

00:58:48.380 I tend to be a little bit more risk averse. So seeing guys like yourself do these things

00:58:52.560 motivates me and inspires me to put myself out there a little bit more, try some things that

00:58:57.940 I haven't tried before. And man, I'm anxious. We were going to try to get together. I think last

00:59:02.180 time I was in Hawaii and I think we just had a schedule conflict, but hopefully this year when

00:59:07.940 I, I'm going to bring my oldest son out there with me this year and, uh, hopefully we can connect

00:59:12.800 and get on a hunt together. That'd be a lot of fun. Maybe we can try to stab a, stab a sheep

00:59:17.000 together or something. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever get the opportunity. I don't know, 0.99

00:59:22.440 man. Yeah. We did that with pigs in Texas. We went to, I call it hog dogging. So we went

00:59:28.460 and did that in Texas. Me and my oldest son did that in Texas several years ago. And that

00:59:32.060 is a crazy, crazy experience. Okay. So you know what I learned from that? And I wrote this

00:59:37.420 to one of our friends is a couple of things here is it was almost disturbing how easy that

00:59:47.040 was. Okay. So you have this knife and it went in no problem. Right. And that thing was dead

00:59:57.840 in 10 seconds. So that's, that's kind of disturbing, but good to know. Like, it's like one of those

01:00:05.560 things that it just is disturbing as it is. It is what it is. Hey, I eat that animal. There

01:00:12.120 should be no problem with that, you know, but it just like how crazy that thing, you know,

01:00:19.960 like we live our lives like, Oh, it's all good, you know, but to think that how quick things

01:00:25.140 could turn for us. Yeah. It reminds us of our own mortality, doesn't it? Yep. Exactly. Um,

01:00:32.280 but yeah, it was, what a crazy experience I've, it would, yeah, we'll probably end up sharing that

01:00:40.200 at some point, but I'll have to give some kind of explanation behind it just so people kind of

01:00:44.100 grasp it. It's one of those things that it's like a shock and awe. I don't want people to take it the

01:00:47.820 wrong way. I don't, I don't need to share that with people, but there is some lessons to be learned

01:00:52.200 there, you know, that people could learn. Well, I know you've, uh, hunted with Steve Rinella and I think

01:00:58.540 he's, that's a great model with him is, is that he's doing some, some things that I think,

01:01:04.720 uh, uh, I was going to say a normal person, but that's not the right way to say it, but somebody

01:01:09.780 who, who isn't like in the world of hunting would ever experience or even ever think about, but he

01:01:14.780 does a, he does such a tremendous job at educating and explaining and giving context where people just

01:01:22.220 see the grip and grins on, on social media. He does a phenomenal job of diving deep into it.

01:01:28.120 And making it engaging and entertaining, but also educational.

01:01:33.540 Absolutely. Yeah. They, um, since I was on the show, we've done three episodes. Now we did two

01:01:41.560 more this year. If you want to watch them, they're for free on the meat eater.com. Um,

01:01:47.260 and the other ones are on Netflix. I think there's some on YouTube as well, but

01:01:51.440 there's mixed reviews with those guys, you know, like some people love them. Some people hate them.

01:01:57.800 Um, and it's sad because most people, most people that want to talk, talk bad about them,

01:02:04.140 especially to me that because they know that I've been on the show, they've never even really met

01:02:10.100 them or spent time with them. Um, and so it's hard to really grasp how, how someone feels,

01:02:17.580 but I've spent some time. I went on a youth deer hunt with, with Steve and his son this year,

01:02:22.640 he invited me out. I was up in Montana. I was supposed to be working that week. And I wasn't,

01:02:27.540 he invited me to go on their youth deer hunt and spend some time with him and his son. Um,

01:02:33.580 so we did that. And then after I spent some time with him and his family, you know, just

01:02:37.360 sitting around the dinner table, he's a great human, you know, and, and a awesome father.

01:02:43.140 So I got nothing but good things to say about that whole crew had an absolute blast working with

01:02:49.540 them. Uh, and they're good people. And I, you can't deny how much good that they're doing as far

01:02:55.200 as bringing new eyeballs into our hunting world. Um, yes, maybe not everybody likes their spot being

01:03:03.740 crowded and it does suck. Trust me. I fight that too, but we will lose hunting as far as politics go. 0.94

01:03:12.200 If we don't shed a good light on it. And if we don't support all support each other,

01:03:17.760 I've come to that realization. It's easy for me just to like live in my own little bubble and think,

01:03:22.880 you know, everything's peachy and stuff. But as far as politics go, we will lose hunting. I feel

01:03:28.840 like if we don't all support each other and really shed a good light on what it is and they do a good

01:03:34.180 job at, okay. It's the adventure of going out there and that sense of purpose to be out there

01:03:40.540 hunting. And then when you get something, you're cooking it, you're enjoying it with friends and

01:03:45.380 family. You can't explain that feeling to people, something they have to, to experience for

01:03:53.260 themselves. But I know for me, that is, it's a huge sense of accomplishment. If I go get something

01:04:00.780 and then sit down and eat this dinner with friends and family of something that you've gotten,

01:04:05.000 there's no words to explain it, but it just feels right. It just feels like if you're just going off

01:04:11.020 what feels right, that feels right. Yeah. We, my, my oldest son and I were able to,

01:04:17.740 fortunately we drew out for a moose tag here in Maine. And so we were able to shoot a moose this

01:04:23.120 year. And I can't tell you, I mean, we've, we've shot other animals. We've both been successful to

01:04:27.680 some degree. And, and, but man, just something about it, sitting around the table, eating a moose roast

01:04:33.840 that we went out and we spent time, we hunted, we broke down, you know, we got back to camp,

01:04:40.920 we cooked ourselves. It's an amazing, amazing process. And the food always just tastes a little

01:04:46.460 bit better when you do it that way. Oh yeah. It's the best. And there's an appreciation for it.

01:04:51.800 You know, it's just like, it's, it's just way different than getting something at the grocery

01:04:56.020 store. It's, it's the same as someone growing their own garden too, right? Like if someone shares

01:05:01.900 some vegetables with you, they've grown in their own garden, there's a sense of pride

01:05:05.460 there. Um, so I just love it. It's just something with food. I mean, obviously it's something that

01:05:12.840 keeps us alive. We all need to eat. So there must be something primal in us that just has that reward

01:05:18.540 system for getting it. But yeah, back to what we were saying earlier, like our society, it's,

01:05:24.680 it's gotten too easy. It's too easy to go to the store. I mean, you could really, like,

01:05:31.520 if you wanted to live off McDonald's, you could live off McDonald's and you could literally spend

01:05:37.040 three, four bucks a day doing that. It costs a lot more for us to go hunting. I can tell you that.

01:05:43.680 Well, you might not live that long either. I mean, you might, you might shorten your years if you were

01:05:48.940 to do that. Absolutely. But I do feel like the human body's pretty adaptable where you would

01:05:55.780 get some good years out of there. It's true. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. Um, what a crazy role we

01:06:04.560 live in, but I love it and I love trying to adapt to it, you know? Yeah. Well, I love what you're

01:06:09.720 doing, man. I love that you're trailblazing and you're, and you're making new paths and you're

01:06:13.300 introducing people to new things. And that's, that's what I wanted to talk with you about today.

01:06:16.620 Cause I want these guys to hear what you're doing and hopefully be motivated and inspired to

01:06:22.080 get some of this primal way of living to whatever degree they can back into their own life. So I

01:06:28.920 want to tell you, I'm inspired by you and I appreciate you joining me on the podcast, man.

01:06:32.620 Oh, thanks Ryan. That same for me. You know, I look at a lot of people and what they're doing and

01:06:38.200 it inspires me and you know, that's social media gets a bad rap, but people are taking it. You can

01:06:45.940 choose who you follow. If you know, follow some different people or something. If you feel like

01:06:52.120 there's some hate involved or something, or you're just not into it, but there is a special thing

01:06:58.080 that's there. And I love finding an inspiration in that and actually putting it to use. That's,

01:07:04.140 that's the key is not just letting it be empty inspiration to where you're sitting on your couch.

01:07:09.460 Wow. That's cool that that guy's doing that. And you get this little sense of, I'd love to do that.

01:07:15.540 And then you scroll to the next thing and you're like, Oh man, they're off to something else. So

01:07:20.860 as long as it's not like empty inspiration and you're actually like, I'm going to get out and do

01:07:25.300 that. I love it for that purpose. Well, tell the guys where to connect with you, how to find you

01:07:31.700 and stay in touch, especially as you start to do some of these adventures you're talking about.

01:07:36.960 I'm sure a lot of guys will hear about that as they come online. Yeah. So, uh, mainly just on

01:07:43.880 Instagram, which is at Danny Bolton. So D A N N Y B O L T O N. And it shows up as boar man as well 1.00

01:07:53.840 on there. A boar man is a nickname that was given to me and we kind of just have fun with it, but it's

01:08:02.860 turned into like that wild side that so that's, I started a brand called boar man now. So we have

01:08:10.660 a website. It's a boar man official, but I think boar man, I don't know what boar man.com was, but we

01:08:17.920 had to do boar man official for the website. And we also have an Instagram boar man official that will

01:08:23.120 have some of the, some of the products and stuff. And I want that to be more than just me. You know,

01:08:27.860 there's a lot of other people who live this lifestyle and a lot other people would do it way

01:08:32.040 better than I do. And I would love for other people to tap into that wild side with them as

01:08:38.180 well. So the brand is just going to be, um, it, there will be some training. I'm going to, I'm going

01:08:44.960 to probably eventually start a podcast in the YouTube and all that stuff and just get into making content.

01:08:50.800 And I want to share what I've learned and share that with the rules so people can go on there and

01:08:56.260 like, Oh, I want to learn how to do that. And you'll be able to find a place to learn from someone,

01:09:01.240 um, who doesn't try overcomplicate things too much, you know? Right. So that's, uh, that's where

01:09:08.600 you can find me, but yeah, by far the easiest is just going to be on my Instagram. And then you can

01:09:12.800 just ask me, I try to be pretty available for people if they want to ask questions or something,

01:09:18.020 especially if they're interested in doing something fun. I had someone asking me some

01:09:22.560 questions about forging knives yesterday. And you know, we have some incredible friends that are

01:09:29.980 the best in the world at forging knives. No doubt. So I can push them off to them. I'm not, um, as good

01:09:36.460 as them, but I, I understand the basics, you know, like I can get someone through the basics enough to

01:09:42.120 get them started. And then from there, they, they need to go find someone who's, uh, an absolute

01:09:47.560 professional in that situation. If they're trying to find out how to, how to temper a knife or,

01:09:52.560 you know, what temperature to do things or what different steel, but I try to be available for

01:09:58.220 people. Um, but don't ask me stupid questions. That that's a fair request. Yeah. No, I'm just 1.00

01:10:07.060 right on brother. Yeah. We'll, uh, we'll sync it all up for the guys, let them know where to go.

01:10:12.100 And once again, I appreciate you, man. I'm looking forward to seeing you in about a month

01:10:15.660 it, uh, at winter strong. Yeah. Thank you, Ryan. I appreciate it. And, um, thanks for having

01:10:20.660 me on. I love everything you're doing. So keep going on. Thanks. All right, you guys, there is

01:10:27.380 the one and only Danny Bolton. And I say that often the one and only, but this, this, this guy is truly

01:10:32.460 one of a kind. Uh, we've, we've been able to build a friendship over the past several years. And

01:10:36.460 as I said several times throughout this conversation, I'm inspired by what he's doing.

01:10:40.780 I'm motivated by what he's doing. I'm trying to bring some element of adventure back into my life

01:10:47.320 to not only mix things up, but to recapture that magic and that curiosity and the, the propensity

01:10:55.600 to take risks that I had as a boy. And I know a lot of us did as well. So if this one resonated

01:11:00.540 with you, reach out to me, reach out to Danny. Both of us are very active on Instagram. Like we ask

01:11:05.920 every week, take a screenshot of the podcast right now, tag Danny, tag myself and let him know what

01:11:13.040 you thought about the show. Let him know you listened here. And, uh, we talked a little bit

01:11:17.260 about some of his outdoor adventures that he's thinking about doing. I hope he does that sooner

01:11:22.200 rather than later. And as he does, I'm going to try to secure some spots for us in the order of man.

01:11:27.800 So I will let you know if, and when I'm able to do that. All right. And I'll keep you guys up to

01:11:31.840 date. Again, as I said earlier, a big thank you to you guys in supporting me and supporting this

01:11:36.620 movement. It's very, very important. I believe it's important. And it sounds like you do as well.

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Order of Man - January 17, 2023

DANNY BOLTON ｜ Tapping Back Into Our Primal Nature

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