Order of Man - DAVID GOGGINS ｜ Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds

00:00:00.000 The mind, gentlemen, is a powerful, powerful thing. It can be used as a tremendous source

00:00:04.640 of good or a tremendous source of destruction in your life. And the way that you choose to train

00:00:10.040 it and use it could quite literally be the only thing keeping you from accomplishing

00:00:14.880 your greatest ambitions. Today, I'm joined by former Navy SEAL, ultra runner, endurance athlete,

00:00:20.640 wildland firefighter, and all around badass, David Goggins. We talk about staring down adversity,

00:00:26.740 using challenges as the fuel to propel yourself forward, the sacrifices you'll need to make in

00:00:32.620 order to be successful, race issues and political correctness in America, and how you can master

00:00:38.840 your mind and defy the odds. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears,

00:00:45.060 and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:50.900 You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:00:57.880 who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:01:03.600 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler,

00:01:08.580 and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and this movement, The Order of Man. I want to

00:01:12.760 welcome you. I'm glad you're here. We need more men engaged in this fight, engaged in this battle,

00:01:17.400 and make no mistake, it is a battle. I don't know that there's necessarily an enemy out there,

00:01:21.040 but if we approach our life, whether that's the life we have with our family, outside in our

00:01:26.120 business, in our communities, if we approach it as a battle, knowing that we need to do all that

00:01:30.760 we can to succeed, to improve, to excel, and to help those under our care do the same, I think we're

00:01:37.640 on the right track. And that's what we're all about here, guys, is we're giving you the tools,

00:01:41.240 the guidance, the resources, the direction, the accountability, and of course, of course,

00:01:45.240 in this podcast, specifically, the conversations that you need to excel, to improve your life,

00:01:51.540 and to level up, and to become more of the man that you are meant to be. Guys, we've had an

00:01:55.600 incredible lineup, as you're well aware, if you've been with us for any amount of time.

00:01:58.860 We had Chris Hogan on a couple of weeks ago. Last week, we had UFC bantamweight champion TJ

00:02:04.080 Dillashaw on the podcast. And then this week, of course, the legend, the one and only Mr. David Goggins.

00:02:09.680 I had the opportunity to sit down with him at the end of last week, and I wanted to get this out to

00:02:14.080 you as soon as possible, because it was, it was one of the most inspiring conversations that I've

00:02:19.980 ever had. So I'm going to get into that here in a minute and introduce you to David as if you

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00:03:51.300 right into this thing because like I said, I've got David Goggins on. I don't think many of you need

00:03:56.680 an introduction to who this individual is. Suffice it to say that David is one of the most

00:04:02.160 insane human beings on the planet. And he's somebody I've respected and been extremely

00:04:07.920 inspired by over the past couple of years. We've all watched his videos. Most of us have probably

00:04:13.360 read or at least listened to his latest book, but you know, having this opportunity to sit down

00:04:18.000 face-to-face with him only increased my level of respect for what he's gone through, the odds that

00:04:24.320 he's overcome, the incredible work that he's been able to accomplish despite those odds being stacked

00:04:29.840 against him. So, oh, and one more thing before I get to it. If you don't like language, this probably

00:04:36.640 isn't the show for you. I didn't ask David to pull back or change the way that he communicates or to

00:04:42.000 pull any punches. So again, if you've got a problem with language, this probably isn't the right show

00:04:47.020 for you as this one has some language. So if that bothers you or you have little young ears listening,

00:04:53.880 I would encourage you to press stop right now, turn this one off and get to it later. If you can,

00:05:01.320 or you choose to just want to make sure I make that disclaimer. So set this one on repeat guys,

00:05:05.980 you're going to enjoy this show. It's going to inspire you. In fact, I would just encourage you

00:05:10.540 to listen to this as you're running, as you're working out, because you're going to go that much

00:05:13.800 harder. This is one of the most powerful conversations I've ever been part of. And I'm

00:05:19.380 really excited and honored to be able to bring it to you. David, what's up, man? Glad to be sitting

00:05:25.400 in this hotel room with you. Oh, I'm glad to have you here, man. It's an honor. Well, I think we're

00:05:29.520 wrapping up your podcast tour now, right? It is. You are the last one I'm doing, man. I'm over this

00:05:33.300 shit. Yeah. How's it been? Has it been just insane with a book launch or what? You know what?

00:05:37.500 It's been overwhelming for me. People may think that I'm this extrovert guy now because I've been

00:05:42.560 trying to get this book out there, but out of everybody with their books, I think I probably took on

00:05:47.760 the least amount of podcasts. I think we turned down over 200 podcasts. I was getting them left

00:05:53.500 and right. And I'm like, you know what, man? If you buy the book, you buy it. If not, I don't give a

00:05:56.600 shit. You know, I'm not going to be out here trying to pump this book on people. And people oversell

00:06:01.600 themselves too much, I think, in life. And that's just not me, man. Yeah. If you like it and you hear

00:06:06.140 about me through word of mouth, Merry Christmas. If not, man, so be it, man. You don't hear about me.

00:06:11.160 We were talking about this earlier, but I think that's a lot of the reason that you and your message and

00:06:14.480 everything you're sharing resonates so well with people because it is real, right?

00:06:17.660 It doesn't feel fabricated. And we live in a society where everything from social media and

00:06:21.780 all the filters people are running things through is like, it's so fake that it's, it's just a

00:06:27.240 turnoff. And so for somebody to come along who actually deals with like real life stuff and

00:06:31.100 then shares that, I think really resonates well with people. Well, I appreciate that, man. But

00:06:34.920 that's, that's exactly who I am. People go, Hey, how come you don't post more? You know, I post like

00:06:39.480 once a week, if that, cause that's not me. Right. I'm not trying to gain some stardom or some fame or

00:06:44.600 some shit, you know, I'm out here trying to give you what I learned in my life. And I didn't learn

00:06:49.740 all that stuff. So I can't post every single day. So, you know, I don't have a lot of things to say.

00:06:54.040 If I have nothing to say, I'm not going to say something. Right. So if I have something to say,

00:06:56.660 I'm going to bring it up to your attention. I'll say something that might resonate with you or might

00:07:00.340 not. So yeah, I'm all about being authentic to who I am. I thought it was fascinating that you

00:07:04.660 don't follow anybody either. Right. That's pretty interesting. So the big reason behind that is

00:07:09.460 I'm not on social media. I post things to the masses. If you want to hear what I have to say,

00:07:14.540 here it is. This is what I'm saying. But I'm not on there seeing how Tom, Dick and Harry are doing.

00:07:19.540 Right. You know, I spend my time basically trying to focus on how to better myself,

00:07:24.180 to continue on my journey, to be a better person in life. All that time for me is wasted time.

00:07:29.160 There's no fluff in my life, man. Every second of the day is being utilized to become a better human

00:07:33.800 being. Do you think there's, I don't know if balance is the right word, but do you think

00:07:38.560 there is a point in time where you can sit back and say, let me take this in a little bit?

00:07:43.680 I, for a long time, was probably the most unbalanced motherfucker on the planet earth.

00:07:47.760 I took great pride in that. Yeah. It was on purpose. It was on purpose because I knew for

00:07:53.200 me to get to where I wanted to go, where I had to go, there could be no balance. There could be no,

00:07:58.940 well, eight hours a day I do this and then- Yeah, no nine to five, right? No, no, no. It had to be,

00:08:04.080 I'm such in a fucked up spot in my life. I'm such in a dark place that if I don't dedicate 24 hours a

00:08:10.660 day, seven days a week, 365 a year to becoming a better human being, it's not going to happen.

00:08:17.200 Yeah. And so the people who were in my family had to realize, hey, I'm sorry that you may think I'm

00:08:22.700 neglecting you right now, but if I don't fix myself, I won't be good for anybody. So yeah,

00:08:29.260 I became very unbalanced for a long time. I mean, balance is important, but you have to first go to

00:08:35.100 war with yourself. You got to figure out what you're about and be proud of who you are before

00:08:40.040 you start to get that teeter-totter nice and balanced out. Yeah, that makes sense. I think

00:08:44.720 if I'm hearing you right, what I hear is that in order to create maybe some of that balance down the

00:08:49.680 road, you have to get a foundation under you. That's right. Right. If you don't have that foundational

00:08:53.480 knowledge of who you are and how you show up and what you're capable of, yeah, it's pretty hard to

00:08:58.220 walk into any sort of balance between work and career and family and all the other things that

00:09:01.940 you have going on. That's right. So if you read my book and you see what goes on, you'll see how

00:09:06.380 many mistakes I make along the way trying to find balance, trying to find peace in myself. And I

00:09:12.600 fucked myself all up. I'm having relationships. I'm having, I get a girl, you know, knocked up.

00:09:17.760 She's pregnant. Now I'm in the worst spot of my fucking life. You know, I don't have a real job.

00:09:22.800 I'm going through SEAL training. I haven't graduated SEAL training. I'm going back to SEAL

00:09:26.940 training for the third time. And now I have a girl that's pregnant. I'm all over the

00:09:31.220 fucking place. I don't have, you know, I have no money. I have, I have nothing. And I'm

00:09:34.480 establishing a life with a family and I'm all fucked up. So, you know, a lot of us get

00:09:40.320 in situations where we start establishing all these different things and pop up all

00:09:43.740 these different pop-up boxes and our life is fucked because we haven't fixed

00:09:48.180 ourselves. You know, until you fix yourself, don't start another journey before you finish

00:09:53.600 your own journey first or not finish it, but at least get a good, you know, foot

00:09:57.580 start into it.

00:09:58.880 Yeah, that makes sense. And I think that's a lot of guys actually deal with that

00:10:01.380 because what we've been told is, is our responsibility as men is that we've got to

00:10:04.940 take care of other people. We've got our team, we've got our family, we've got our

00:10:07.960 employees, we've got everybody else that we have to take care of. And then all of

00:10:11.400 that, all of ourselves goes by the wayside, but you can't really sustain that for any

00:10:15.060 measurable amount of time. If you don't have yourself taken care of a hundred

00:10:18.440 percent, man. And I fell into that several times into that whole man thing, get a

00:10:22.940 family, do this, do that. And I'm, and I'm jacked up. I'm insecure. I have all

00:10:27.560 kinds of issues going on. So I'm bringing all these issues into a family. And all

00:10:32.820 that does is destroy your family. If you are not the man of your house, like a real

00:10:38.700 man of your house, not like I'm a man because you know, you have a cock and a

00:10:43.020 balls. No, motherfucker. That ain't a man. I'm sorry. A man has his shit wire type. And I

00:10:49.060 wasn't that guy. I thought because God made me a man because I pissed standing

00:10:53.200 up that I'm a man. No, that ain't how it works, man. And I realized that I, I

00:10:58.840 realized a whole bunch of times, man, God may have gave me the wrong shit. I got to

00:11:03.420 earn something, man. So I had to go back to that man mentality and start to earn

00:11:07.600 that.

00:11:08.080 Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because I read part of your book and then I listened

00:11:11.100 to a lot of it. And I got to tell you, I put a lot of, a lot of miles on the

00:11:13.920 trail to your words. So yeah, not as many as you do, but more than I'd have in

00:11:18.400 the past. So I do appreciate that. But I was really fascinated towards the end of

00:11:21.780 the book because you talk about some health issues that you were dealing with

00:11:25.200 and through your stretching regimen. And the thing that blew me away about that

00:11:28.620 is not that you were like, okay, I'm going to stretch, you know, for half an

00:11:31.480 hour or an hour in the morning, you get worked out. It was like, I'm six hours a

00:11:35.440 day, 12 hours a day of stretching to get yourself fixed. So you get back in the

00:11:39.980 fight.

00:11:40.220 Yes. So I want to show you something I haven't shown anybody before.

00:11:43.920 Oh no. I don't know. I don't know if it was.

00:11:45.260 No, I'm not going to show you none of that stuff. So you see these little spots

00:11:48.380 right here in my body?

00:11:49.120 Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:11:49.740 You see this?

00:11:50.280 Yep.

00:11:51.120 So basically everybody wonders what happened.

00:11:55.860 Right.

00:11:57.060 These are very small spots. I look like a leopard.

00:11:59.880 All over.

00:12:00.440 They were all over my body.

00:12:02.300 Really?

00:12:02.840 So just to give you some insight, I've talked about on several podcasts, but I

00:12:07.440 haven't shown anybody my leopard skin and what happened. So I can show you all kind

00:12:11.800 of nastiness, man, but I'm not going to do that. I can show you my

00:12:13.740 ears and I'll show you one thing right now. This part right here, you see this

00:12:16.960 little dry spot in my ear?

00:12:18.160 Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:12:19.040 And if I were to dig in my ear right now, nothing but shit would come out.

00:12:22.520 Really?

00:12:22.920 A whole bunch of crust. I'm taking you there. Why? This is a man's show.

00:12:27.220 That's right. That's right.

00:12:28.160 So we're going to go there.

00:12:28.840 Let's go there.

00:12:29.540 Okay. We're going to go there.

00:12:30.500 So I don't talk about it on most shows, but what happened was over a period of time of

00:12:35.440 me literally trying to transform myself. And a guy asked me a question yesterday, man,

00:12:40.700 am I paying now physically for what I put myself through? I said, yeah, I am. But what

00:12:46.000 he doesn't understand was when I was 297 pounds and I was a piece of shit and I wasn't

00:12:50.040 going anywhere in life. I asked myself that question before I decided to put myself through

00:12:54.160 hell.

00:12:54.500 Are you willing to do it or are willing to pay the price?

00:12:56.960 Am I willing to do it? Am I willing to pay the price after I fucked myself up? I knew

00:13:00.600 for me to get to where I wanted to go, I didn't have the ability. The ability was not there.

00:13:06.160 So I knew I was going to break myself off to do it. Some people are born with this great

00:13:11.860 talent. I wasn't smart. I wasn't some physical specimen. I wasn't any of that stuff. So I knew

00:13:17.000 for me to go through all of this shit at the end of it was going to be a broken, broken

00:13:22.580 man. So I did it. And in the process of doing it, I knew all along the way, I'm going to

00:13:30.960 be fucked up one day. And that time came. That time came. And in that book, that psoas

00:13:37.140 muscle I'm talking about, literally for me being in that fight or flight mode and pushing

00:13:42.500 and pushing way beyond what I thought was even possible. I kept on finding new and new

00:13:49.020 and new limits as I was going on this journey. So, but in doing that, you're breaking your

00:13:54.040 body down tremendously.

00:13:55.400 Sure. Yeah.

00:13:56.460 So what happened to me was that psoas muscle attaches to your lower body, your upper body.

00:14:01.400 Mine became so fucking tight that it literally left, I would say, baseball size lumps. So

00:14:08.500 these are my muscles that just tightened up and tightened up up to my hip flexors.

00:14:12.380 And it was just contracting right there?

00:14:14.000 Just contracting right here. So I thought I had two fucking lumps like this were right here.

00:14:18.380 No one knew what the fuck they were. And on the back of my head, I had a big lump on

00:14:24.020 it. And you can kind of see it now.

00:14:25.720 Oh, right. Yeah, I can.

00:14:26.840 But it used to be an extra inch and a half.

00:14:29.640 Really?

00:14:30.360 This is where my sickness was coming from. So the doctors gave me all kind of fucking

00:14:34.140 medication. And slowly but surely, I kept on getting worse and worse and worse.

00:14:38.720 Because you were going through the same type of training at this point? Or were you hung

00:14:42.660 up at this point?

00:14:43.320 So at this time, I'd already done like 19 years in the military.

00:14:46.900 Yeah.

00:14:47.740 I had done all these ultra races and all this other shit. So I had gone through the

00:14:51.540 gamut. But no one knew that every time I got to the start line of an ultra race, I

00:14:55.680 was fucking broken at the start line. So I didn't go to this ultra race like, oh, I'm

00:14:59.580 healthy. I'm ready to go. I'm all juiced up.

00:15:01.100 You weren't feeling awesome.

00:15:02.580 I went to the start line of every damn race I ever did, broken. A lot of times I went

00:15:07.540 to the start line with stress fractures, compression tape on. If you look at me and that

00:15:11.600 Badwater tape on my first Badwater, at the end of Badwater, there's a video before I get

00:15:16.380 interviewed and they're taking off the compression tape. I had that start line

00:15:20.120 of the damn race.

00:15:20.840 You started with that start line.

00:15:21.520 So my mentality was geranimalistic. It was barbarian type of mentality. But that

00:15:27.360 cost me. It cost me a lot. And that's what happened to my body. My body slowly

00:15:31.560 started to literally choke itself out. So I lost two inches of my height due to that

00:15:39.300 psoas muscle that's attached to your T12 just gripping down. So what you see here, all

00:15:43.660 these little leopard spots on my body, is basically, as I started opening my body

00:15:49.180 back up, infection and shit started coming out everywhere. So I got to the point, and

00:15:55.280 I hit it from the SEAL teams for a long time. The last two years as a Navy SEAL, I

00:16:00.000 couldn't balsalva, which is clearing your ears to go underwater.

00:16:03.720 Yeah, that depth was probably tough.

00:16:05.720 But luckily, we were diving dregger systems. So you only go on like 15, 20 feet. But

00:16:10.580 still, at 15, 20 feet, you still got to equalize and get your valsalva. So I was

00:16:16.380 literally just busting my eardrums out to go down because all that earwax that's now

00:16:21.780 coming up, I got so tight, my traps and everything shut off my station tubes. So

00:16:28.360 whenever the doctors would go, like, hey, doc, I cannot clear my ears. They would go in

00:16:33.000 and check my eardrum. They'd be like, you have the cleanest ears I've ever seen in my

00:16:37.280 life. You don't have any earwax. Why? This shit was trapped and cut off. So the second

00:16:44.180 I open all this shit up, and my fiancee will tell you it's the grossest fucking shit. It

00:16:50.100 just comes out, like, for two and a half years now.

00:16:53.020 Because it's been backed up in there.

00:16:54.120 It's a sick, and then the leprous possible, I open something up, infection. It's something

00:16:59.720 that I could write a whole fucking book about. But now, after five years of doing this shit,

00:17:04.180 I am in the best shape of my entire life. Because my body, even going into SEAL training,

00:17:09.920 my childhood was so messed up. And that's so as much starts to get tight then, that I went into

00:17:15.840 SEAL training really out of shape, or as far as my health. I would tape it up. My mentality was

00:17:21.400 tape it up, man. I just taped it up and kept on going in it. And I paid the man. But it was worth

00:17:26.440 it.

00:17:27.100 So, yeah, well, that's what I was going to ask you. Was it worth it? Obviously, it was. You're saying

00:17:31.020 that is now. But what makes it worth it? When you look in that mirror for so long,

00:17:35.760 and you're lying to yourself, and you're lying to people. Because I grew up in such a hostile

00:17:40.640 environment for my dad beating the shit out of me. When you don't know right from wrong,

00:17:45.200 and you're just getting the shit kicked out of you because your dad's an alcoholic,

00:17:48.800 and all he does is beat you to death because that's what he does. And as a kid, you don't know

00:17:53.940 up from down, right from left, right and wrong. And you grow up in this very misguided way of

00:18:00.520 thinking. All you want to do is change your circumstances in. And in that circumstance,

00:18:05.480 your mom is in that also. So your mom, who's a good woman, you see her start to change. She

00:18:11.880 starts to get lost in the violence of my father. So now you're in this hell hole, and this is where

00:18:17.340 you live, and this is where you exist. So now to find myself, there was no mentors for

00:18:22.680 me. There was no one that said, hey, this is how you do this. You know, I pretty much skipped all

00:18:28.340 the school. I cheated all through school. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. It was like

00:18:32.580 having a kid and putting that motherfucker in the sewer and saying, I hope you fucking come out

00:18:39.040 one day. That was my mentality. So I had to make a man in what I thought a man was supposed to be in

00:18:46.780 my mind. I created what I thought a man was supposed to be in my mind. And that's what I started

00:18:52.640 doing. So I looked at myself in the mirror. And when I looked at myself in the mirror, man,

00:18:58.940 I wasn't proud of who I was. And I kept on backsliding and backsliding. And I made the

00:19:03.660 decision. And I was 297 pounds. I gained 125 pounds. I was 175 to 297. Left the military,

00:19:11.300 left the Air Force. And I was working for Ecolab, making $1,000 a month. I was at the bottom of the

00:19:15.840 fucking barrel. I had become exactly what life had made me and what I had made me too.

00:19:23.320 I said, I'm going to die trying. I don't give a fuck what it does to me. I don't give a fuck if

00:19:28.640 I break myself off. I don't care if I lose legs. I don't care if I have stress. I don't care what

00:19:32.700 it is. I don't care how much pain I go through. I don't care. But this reflection in the mirror

00:19:38.100 will change. Or I will die trying. I will not look at this guy in the mirror anymore because I could

00:19:44.180 lie to you right now. I go back to that mirror every fucking night. And I usually shave my head

00:19:49.820 almost every damn night. And I got to sit there for fucking 15 minutes and look at myself in the

00:19:54.140 mirror. And that reflection is telling me every fucking thing I'm not. Some of us are allowed to

00:19:59.440 go away from that. I was haunted. Every day, 24 hours a fucking day, this voice would be in my head.

00:20:07.380 Hey, motherfucker, you ain't shit. This is what you're going to be the rest of your life, man.

00:20:12.100 To the point I said, you know what? I'm going to break myself off, man, trying to fix this person.

00:20:17.680 That's why it's worth it because now sitting in front of you today, I earned the right to be broken.

00:20:23.320 And people go, man, what does that mean? Every scar, every wound, every broken bone,

00:20:29.300 every issue I had, even all these fucking little marks come in my body, it comes from sacrifice,

00:20:35.540 trying to become someone. And I'm not saying do what I did. My life took me down a journey

00:20:40.860 that almost forced me to propel myself to where I went. And it was worth it.

00:20:46.960 This might be a weird question, but are you grateful for those times? You know,

00:20:50.420 the times with your father, all the hardship, all the trial. Like, how do you view that stuff

00:20:54.860 now that you feel like you've overcome that and become something new entirely?

00:20:59.460 Honestly, man, I'm very grateful for it. I'm more grateful for that than being a SEAL,

00:21:05.120 going to ranger school, anything I've ever done in my life. People always go, like,

00:21:07.960 they come to my house and I've done so many races and so many different things.

00:21:11.080 I don't have an I love me wall. You walk in my house, it's like you see the decorations

00:21:16.480 on the fucking wall, what my fucking fiance has done. There's nothing about me.

00:21:21.160 They go, why is that, man? You've done so much in your life.

00:21:24.100 Man, all this shit up here is priceless. Like, everything I've gone through, all this,

00:21:29.320 the journey of my life has been something that I can never, ever be able to say enough about.

00:21:35.560 It is who I am. You know, like, everybody wants to be proud of themselves.

00:21:39.760 When you finally become proud of yourself, you no longer give a flying fuck what it took

00:21:44.860 to get there. And that's what people always say, man, look at you, man. You know, you have

00:21:48.060 all this stuff happening to your skin and your body's broken, this and that.

00:21:51.100 The feeling I have in my mind is priceless. And it's my way to say, you have to do it

00:21:57.500 over again to get this feeling again. I'd do it all over again.

00:22:00.160 You would.

00:22:00.620 All over again.

00:22:01.640 Interesting.

00:22:02.180 With a smile on my face. Roger that.

00:22:04.900 That's awesome.

00:22:05.660 Over again.

00:22:06.560 Where did this idea of creating the type of man that you wanted to be come from?

00:22:12.400 You didn't have that.

00:22:13.500 You didn't have some model of, oh, this is what I aspire to be like.

00:22:16.840 Right.

00:22:16.980 Did you create that, craft that in your mind? Or were there influences that came into your

00:22:21.000 life?

00:22:21.500 I was a big time movie guy. So we had no money. We lived in a $7 a month place growing up

00:22:27.420 for a long period of time until my mom finally got enough money to move out. My best friend,

00:22:31.780 his name is Johnny Nichols, growing up, his parents had two VCRs. So they would go to the

00:22:37.420 blockbuster, where the fuck it was called back then, get a movie, and they would fucking

00:22:41.920 illegally record the movie. So I would come over there and I would go to Johnny's house

00:22:49.080 and every fucking Sunday and Saturday, they had like fucking a thousand movies, man. And

00:22:54.500 I would go over there and start watching movies. That's what I did. They wouldn't be home,

00:22:57.940 I'd walk in the house and start watching the fucking movies.

00:23:00.100 One of the movies I watched was Rocky. I got obsessed with Rocky and I got obsessed with

00:23:04.260 Platoon and Rambo and all those fucking kind of war movies and shit, Predator and shit.

00:23:10.020 Yeah.

00:23:10.320 I saw all these fucking badass guys. I probably broke his damn VCR trying to watch this one

00:23:15.380 scene. One scene that changed my life, it was only two minutes and 13 seconds, I believe

00:23:19.680 around there, was Rocky won round 14. I talk about it all the fucking time, but it literally

00:23:25.580 fucked me up. Like, you know how you're watching something and you get this weird feeling over

00:23:31.280 yourself like, God, that was fucking special. And you get chills and you get kind of almost

00:23:36.000 emotional. You get kind of choked up in your throat. What fucked me up like that was round

00:23:40.940 14, Rocky won when fucking Apollo is beating the living shit out of this guy. A no-name

00:23:47.360 boxer.

00:23:48.500 Nobody, right?

00:23:49.140 Nobody.

00:23:49.900 A no-name fucking boxer. Basically, man, I'm sitting there, I'm real young, real young, going

00:23:56.320 through all my hardships, just left Buffalo, New York. My dad beat the shit out of me and

00:23:59.800 I have nothing. Never had this feeling before of watching Inspiration. I didn't know what

00:24:04.780 Inspiration was. I didn't know what any of that shit was. I just knew like, you know,

00:24:08.440 just pain and suffering and shit. So when I saw this guy who was Rocky getting knocked

00:24:13.860 down and getting knocked down and getting up, so I was intrigued. So I sat back and watched

00:24:17.700 it a little bit more. And Apollo was supposed to be the best person in boxing and he knocks

00:24:23.340 this fucker down in the corner. And what brought my attention was, it was like a perfect storm

00:24:28.040 for me, was the music was perfect. It was a perfect scene for me to like almost gain

00:24:35.060 strength. And I see this guy in the corner who reminded me of me, guy couldn't read, talked

00:24:39.660 off, fucked up, you know, just kind of this dumb boxer. But he had something that I wanted.

00:24:45.360 Mickey was saying, his trainer was saying, stay down.

00:24:47.820 Right.

00:24:48.360 And he didn't hear anybody. He didn't give a fuck. All this guy wanted to do was go to

00:24:52.960 the distance. He didn't want to win. He just wanted to be able to go to distance.

00:24:57.380 And when he stood up, I forget, knocked down for like the 30th time. And I'll never forget

00:25:02.200 the look when Apollo Creed finally thinks he won. His back is turned to Rocky as Rocky's

00:25:07.520 getting up. And as Mickey's saying, stay down. And once Apollo turns around, he looks at Rocky.

00:25:13.780 He's now standing up in the corner. And the referee is standing besides Rocky. And Rocky's like,

00:25:18.980 hey, you know, man, I'm fucking good. When Apollo turns around to look on this massive

00:25:23.840 man who's the best boxer in the world, his face is just distraught. Like, what the fuck?

00:25:29.000 Who the fuck are you, man? And when he's kind of wobbling in the corner, he's all fucked up.

00:25:34.960 But he's like, no, man, not today. I just want to go against the best. I want to know that

00:25:39.980 I am somebody. And he gets his gloves and he motions him back over. He like puts his face

00:25:45.920 down and he shakes his head. And I'm like, that's what I want. That's what I want. That's

00:25:52.160 how I want to feel because I was almost Rocky. I could feel how he was feeling. I know the

00:25:57.900 pride he had to feel by, motherfucker, I stood up again. And the pride he had to feel after

00:26:03.400 going 15 rounds with the best person. He didn't win, but it wasn't about that. It was the fact

00:26:08.500 that for the first time in his life, he knew he was something. He was somebody. He wasn't

00:26:14.140 just some old bum from the street, as he said. And I wanted that feeling. So I knew to get

00:26:19.820 it, I had to train. Something like Rocky did, but even harder because this was a real situation

00:26:26.960 for me. This was real life. So I started to create the real Rocky. I wanted to be the real

00:26:35.120 version of a movie. But that's the hard part, though. That movie's inspirational. In my life,

00:26:42.480 there's a lot of times in my life where it wasn't so inspirational. There's a lot of lonely moments

00:26:46.040 where there was no going the distance song in the background to keep me going.

00:26:50.080 Yeah, that music changes things, doesn't it? Or lack thereof.

00:26:53.100 Or lack thereof, man. There's a lot of times, there's a lot of quiet times, a lot of failure,

00:26:56.740 a lot of disappointments, a lot of starting from scratch. But that's when I started to develop

00:27:01.480 a different mentality. And I started to develop a mentality of, this is where it's at.

00:27:06.920 Where you find out where you're at is when you're at the fucking lowest part of your life.

00:27:12.920 So I started to develop a whole new mindset. Like, the lowest part of my life used to make

00:27:17.260 me feel bad. The lowest part of my life now, it actually gives me strength because I know

00:27:22.920 so many people stop. That's where they quit. When they get to the fucking sewer of life versus

00:27:30.340 looking at it saying, oh yeah, motherfucker, now let's see what the fuck is up. Let's see

00:27:35.200 what the fuck is up now. Let's see the millions of men out here in this world. They're not going

00:27:40.180 where I'm willing to go now. This is where people stop. And this is where I started to

00:27:46.100 develop the different mentality is, you want to test my resolve? You want to test my ability

00:27:51.680 to go the distance? You want to see where your life ends and mine begins? That's where

00:27:56.240 that mentality started for me. Because I started saying, man, you always end up in the dungeon.

00:28:01.540 You got to find strength in that motherfucker where no one else does. That Rocky movie was

00:28:07.380 a little bit of a spark, but to become that person, it takes a lot.

00:28:11.900 Do you feel like your drive and motivation comes from a place of, I don't know, having

00:28:16.000 a chip on your shoulder maybe, or being beat down enough where you thought, you know what?

00:28:19.660 Screw this. Like, screw everybody else. I'm going to show them. Or is it from someplace

00:28:23.360 different than that?

00:28:24.360 It used to come from having about 400 million chips on my shoulder.

00:28:27.740 Yeah, I bet.

00:28:28.440 I had a lot. And I think a lot of people probably read you and think, oh, this guy's

00:28:31.640 angry. I don't read that, but I think that's probably what people think.

00:28:35.080 You know what's funny about me, man? I have zero anger. I'm a passionate guy. But I get

00:28:41.380 it, though. The way I talk, the way I come across, I'm an aggressive guy. Because that's

00:28:47.040 what it takes. If you walk into a situation, into a fight, I'm not saying be so aggressive

00:28:52.980 that you're making bad moves. Sure. But if you don't have a little flame burning in you

00:28:57.900 knowing that I might get fucking hit real fucking hard, and when I get hit, I have to attack.

00:29:03.480 I can't get knocked out. Right.

00:29:05.660 When I went to Hell Week, I knew I was going to get broken. I had to have an internal flame

00:29:11.860 in me that could never be, it couldn't be kindling. Kindling, you put the water in the fucking

00:29:17.280 Kenley, that fucking shit's out. Right. Yeah. I had to be a motherfucking tree that is burning

00:29:22.680 hard. It's burning for a long fucking time. And that's what I became, man. So it's not

00:29:27.060 anger. Anger can't sustain you for a long period of time. Because once you get in a situation,

00:29:32.360 trust me, I tried it before. When you get in a real hard situation, and you're miserable,

00:29:38.060 miserable, that anger is gone. What comes up is real. The real feeling of who you are

00:29:48.420 and where you're at, you don't want to care about them people who made fun of you in high

00:29:52.300 school, or your dad beating the fuck out of you. Because now, you become selfish. Let's

00:29:57.860 say you're in Hell Week, and you're in that cold fucking water, it's 50 fucking degrees,

00:30:00.920 and your balls are in your fucking mouth right now, you're sitting there thinking, oh fuck,

00:30:04.800 dude. Like, your mind's not thinking, those fucking kids in high school bullied me or my

00:30:09.660 dad. Right, that's at least your worries. No, you're thinking, so that anger can few

00:30:13.540 you for so long. There has to be something so deep in you that drives you. So what really

00:30:18.860 does it for me is I know what we're capable of. And I know that most human beings aren't

00:30:27.740 willing to go where I am. And that's a very, very dangerous thing. I'm not saying I'm

00:30:33.880 better than anybody else. Everybody has this talent. It's not a talent. It's just

00:30:37.780 realizing that we stop way short of our true potential. So through my life, I realize

00:30:43.980 these things. And I know what gives me fuel is I know that most people who are blessed

00:30:48.980 with so much talent, great parents, great upbringing, didn't it come from where I come

00:30:53.440 from? They're going to quit before me. Having all the tools that they have, they didn't have

00:30:59.760 the ability to examine themselves. When you have everything so nice in life, it's great

00:31:06.140 to have a great life. Yeah, no doubt. But what happens is you don't self-examine. You

00:31:11.800 don't do a live autopsy. When you have a fucked up life, it almost forces you to do a live

00:31:18.500 autopsy. It forces you to find strength from places that no one looks from. Because food is

00:31:24.160 not at the ready. I have a learning disability. It's not at the ready. I can't just pick up a

00:31:28.340 book and start reading. There's preparation behind everything I fucking do. Everything

00:31:33.280 I do has to come with so much fucking preparation. It's despicable. It makes me sick. My own

00:31:37.940 personal life makes me sick. That's why I'm so disciplined now. Without my self-discipline,

00:31:42.820 there is no David Goggins. I can't stop reading. I won't be able to read tomorrow. I will lose

00:31:50.440 it that fast. I cannot stop going to the gym. My mind is set up in a spot where, hey, it's

00:31:58.320 the second I stop, it wants to stop. Because I had a quitting mind growing up. When you

00:32:04.960 get beat the shit out of you all the time, your mind wants to go to that nice spot where

00:32:09.380 you're comforted, where you're not trying, where shit is easy. That's where your mind,

00:32:14.420 it doesn't want to think. You have all these things in the mind, and the mind can only absorb

00:32:18.800 so much shit. So all the pain that has to go through, it wants to push it away and say,

00:32:23.960 let's not do that. So every day I'm fighting where the mind wants to go. It's a constant

00:32:30.240 evolution, man. I've never arrived. Right now, I'm stressing out two, three hours a day. I'm

00:32:36.100 trying to reinvent the wheel. I'm like, oh man, I went through Navy SEAL training being fucked

00:32:40.200 up. I ran over 7,000 miles in 2007 being fucked up. I did pull-up records being fucked up.

00:32:46.320 But now, that the mind is so fucking strong, let the body catch the mind. So that's now where I'm

00:32:53.580 at. So I'm always trying to reinvent the wheel and see what I'm capable of next.

00:32:58.840 That's an interesting point, because if anybody looks at you from the outside as they say,

00:33:02.840 oh, this is a guy who has it figured out. He's got it dialed in. He's achieved X, Y, and Z.

00:33:07.140 And what you're saying is, you don't even fully believe that you've reached your capacity.

00:33:11.420 I haven't even touched 50% of it yet, because I didn't realize until I got so sick how sick

00:33:19.280 I was going into some of the hardest things in the world. I didn't bitch about shit.

00:33:25.020 Right.

00:33:25.360 Like, when you're going through SEAL training, you don't sit back and say, hey man, do you

00:33:28.420 have this problem? Do you have that problem? Hey man, I'm having a tough time just getting

00:33:32.120 my leg over the fucking cargo net. Because literally, my adductors were so fucking tight, how I ran

00:33:37.620 was like, I took steps like this big. I wasn't like striding out. My shit was fucked up. At that

00:33:44.100 time, I was 24, 25 years old, I was literally spitting in a Gatorade, a 64 ounce Gatorade bottle

00:33:49.500 at nighttime. I would drink it. And then at nighttime, I would hawker up these brown fucking

00:33:54.660 loogies, and the bottle would be halfway full by the time I got up at four o'clock in the morning to go

00:33:59.860 back to work. I figured everybody was doing this. No. The inside of my body was all fucked up.

00:34:05.680 I was definitely ill. I'd be swimming in the fucking ocean. This coughing, I had double

00:34:13.440 pneumonia all through each other. I was fucked up. I thought everybody had this. No. Not

00:34:18.680 everybody was that fucked. I had stress fractures. Why do I have stress fractures? It was so tight

00:34:22.800 in my hips that it was forcing my body to go in, and I was putting pressure all on the

00:34:28.160 inside of my body. So I lived with stress fractures trying to tape up my body, tape up my

00:34:32.940 shins, tape up shit. I went through training this way. I was so fucked up. Issues with my

00:34:38.940 fucking adducts, issues with my fucking groin, all kind of messed up issues. So I realized I went

00:34:44.340 through training, 100 mile races, 200 mile races, pull-up wreckers, all on the mind. It wasn't a

00:34:50.680 physical thing I had. I was broken, literally broken at the start line of everything I did,

00:34:57.580 including Navy SEAL training, Ranger school. Everything I did in the military, I was fucked.

00:35:02.980 But I didn't sit back and say, hey man. So no one knew.

00:35:06.400 Right.

00:35:06.860 No one knew.

00:35:07.660 Yeah, because you weren't talking about it.

00:35:08.800 I wasn't talking about it. And this is really the first time I really talked about it.

00:35:12.200 So I basically realized, my God, man. At the sixth time in my life, I realized, my God,

00:35:17.840 I was so fucked up the entire time. So now, the mind is so powerful. I figured that out.

00:35:25.620 Sure.

00:35:26.300 Now, if I can get this body all stretched out, opened up, get all my organs working properly,

00:35:31.940 now let's see at 44, let's see what can really happen.

00:35:36.060 Yeah. So you're just getting started then.

00:35:37.360 That's the mentality right now, man. So, yeah.

00:35:39.920 What separates somebody like yourself? Because, I mean, let's be honest, you're not the only one

00:35:44.560 who's dealt with serious hardship in your life. No, not at all.

00:35:47.400 But what separates somebody like yourself, who's managed to rise above it, and somebody

00:35:54.280 who takes the same type of hardship and uses it to play a victim card or a pity party and

00:36:01.520 go cower in the corner?

00:36:02.840 Right. It's how you look at it. And I looked at my shit was, this is the perfect training

00:36:07.860 ground to being a man. Like I was talking about taking the path of least resistance. I believe

00:36:13.540 in life, you must earn the right to be called a man. And a lot of people do not think the

00:36:20.340 way I do, and that's fine. I'm not asking you to be David Goggins. Trust me, it's a hard

00:36:24.500 fucking road to hoe. It's not fun.

00:36:26.340 Sounds like it.

00:36:26.860 Not fun all the time. But the thing about it is, I looked at my hardships as challenges.

00:36:32.880 Once I got over the pity party, because I went through that phase.

00:36:35.620 Of course.

00:36:36.040 I'm a normal human being. But I realized that got me exactly where I was at, even worse.

00:36:41.520 As I looked at those challenges, the way most people do, woe is me. Why the fuck can't I

00:36:47.840 get a break? I wish I was better. I wished my parents were better. I wish I had a better

00:36:53.180 education. I wish this, I wish that. They have all these wish sandwiches. I started realizing,

00:36:59.160 how can I fucking figure out how this shit can fucking work for me? When we're in that

00:37:04.060 dark place, that dark place is a great learning environment. If you can sit back in a dark place

00:37:10.580 and find quiet, to just think, there's so much power in your failures, in your fucking,

00:37:17.600 in your suffering. Because why? You're still alive. You're still fucking here. So you got

00:37:24.460 to look at that shit as, my God, man, this is power, man. Like, now I got to flip this shit.

00:37:28.680 How many men would be able to do what I'm about to do, what I'm about to try to do? Like,

00:37:33.140 literally, what gave me strength was when I was at the worst of my worst, how many men would

00:37:37.880 even fucking say they want to try to be a Navy SEAL right now? Yeah, very few. If any. I'm at

00:37:41.860 the worst spot of my life. I can't even walk down the street, let alone run down the street.

00:37:46.760 And I'm going to now call a recruiter up and try to be a SEAL. There's a lot of power in that.

00:37:52.800 But people don't see it that way. They see it, man, that's stupid.

00:37:55.440 Did you believe at that point that you really could? Or were you being, I don't know,

00:37:59.440 over aspirational? Or did you like genuinely believe I could do this at that point?

00:38:05.280 I genuinely believed I could do it. And the reason why? Because I had this voice in the

00:38:10.220 back of my head that I kept on running from. I was afraid of the water. I was afraid of

00:38:14.500 dealing with things that made me feel unaccepted. I didn't accept myself. So I kept on going towards

00:38:22.860 things that I felt good. But something kept on saying to me, motherfucker, you have it, man.

00:38:27.540 You got it, man. But you're going to have to fail a lot. But you have it. That voice kept

00:38:33.700 on haunting me. But that voice kept on saying, if you face it, you realize it's not that bad.

00:38:39.400 What do you think that voice is?

00:38:40.960 To me, it's God.

00:38:42.300 Yeah, I know you've talked about that a little bit.

00:38:43.540 To me, it's God. And I don't get off on the whole spiritual tangent. I don't push that

00:38:47.920 on anybody. I don't care what you believe in. But if you think you're the only motherfucker

00:38:52.760 out here, and I don't know what God is. No one does. I don't know anything about it.

00:38:56.860 But I know there's something that is above David Goggins. There's too much energy in

00:39:01.880 this world. There's too much. Trust me, I've experienced it, man. There's too much energy.

00:39:07.100 People call it God. You call it what you want. There's something out there that if you can

00:39:11.180 tap into more than yourself, there's something out there that truly exists. If you're able

00:39:16.920 just to let yourself go there, it truly exists. And that voice has been in my head. And whatever

00:39:22.900 it is, it's been there. And I didn't want to listen to it because listening to it was

00:39:26.700 painful.

00:39:27.920 Like, how so?

00:39:28.860 Because it drove me to my fears. It drove me to my insecurities. It drove me to my lies.

00:39:36.920 It drove me to the spot that made me feel self-doubt. And I didn't want to go there. It

00:39:44.940 drove me like, hey, over here in this pile of shit where everything is at, you're going

00:39:50.700 to find the true meaning of your life. I'm like, over there is all the bad shit. I don't

00:39:56.580 want to go over there.

00:39:57.660 Right.

00:39:57.940 Like, I don't want to go, like, my dad's over there. The people that like me are over

00:40:01.380 there. I'm over there. All that shit is over there. But once you go over there and start

00:40:06.260 to reexamine that shit and start to master what you're afraid of, it's unbelievable, man.

00:40:11.900 Like, I wish to God, the only way I can really describe is if I can get my brain and put it

00:40:17.020 in someone's head and say, all right, motherfucker, just shut the fuck up. Here. I can't explain

00:40:22.560 it well enough. But here, I'm not super fucking man. Look, this is what happens. Because basically,

00:40:29.360 what's over there is victory. It's all fucking victory. But you have to have the balls and

00:40:35.860 the fucking courage, man. And that's the hard part. There's no science behind this shit.

00:40:41.400 You have to have the balls to go in your own life and your own shit. And once you go in there

00:40:48.020 and you're able to face it and able to talk about it, you're now on the even playing field

00:40:52.520 with everybody in the world. I don't give a fuck where you come from, how much money you

00:40:57.340 parents have, how much money you didn't have. If you're able to handle yourself, know what

00:41:01.220 you're about, know what you're made of, know how fucked up you are, you are now on an even

00:41:05.920 playing field with the world. So once I did that, all these people who have more money than

00:41:11.300 me, where they came from, had great parents and everything, I'm like, oh my God. I caught all

00:41:15.120 you motherfuckers that quick because all the money, all the surface things go away because

00:41:21.780 we all are human beings. That money and shit, all that material shit, it doesn't matter.

00:41:28.140 It's what's deep inside of the core of your soul that fucking matters. And that's what I

00:41:32.520 realized, man. I leveled the playing field out, but I had to go over there and face that

00:41:37.860 shit first.

00:41:38.960 I think that's right. I mean, I've experienced that to some degree in my life is that we all

00:41:42.840 deal with the same insecurities, right? Right. The insecurities I'm dealing with are the

00:41:46.700 same insecurities that you're dealing with. That's right. And yet those people who have

00:41:50.380 never had the courage to go step into those insecurities, they may just be operating from

00:41:55.060 a position of talent or a gift or some fortunate event that happened in their life. And so when

00:42:00.740 hardship comes to them, they're inadequate or they can't fully overcome that hardship because

00:42:06.820 they've never had to deal with it before. They didn't voluntarily go into it.

00:42:09.880 Exactly. Do you feel like going back to Rocky, do you feel like there was a moment where you

00:42:16.480 said, I am Rocky? Like I have made it this 14th round? Or are you still trying to get there?

00:42:23.540 Oh, no, man. I'm not one to kiss my own ass because obviously I tell myself how fucked up

00:42:29.500 I am. I'm also believing you have to give yourself credit when credit's due. And I became

00:42:36.040 that fucking movie and then some. If you look at the Rocky movie and I look at it now and it's

00:42:41.560 still inspirational that that scene still brings back those moments. I saw a Rocky trained in the

00:42:47.280 movie, but I see what I went through in real life. That movie's a fraction. All those movies I

00:42:53.560 watched that inspired me, they're all fractions of the real work I put into my life. And I don't

00:42:59.820 ever talk about enough. The amount of work I put into being who I am, I don't have enough time in

00:43:06.720 the fucking day. I don't talk about it. I don't brag about it. No one even knows about it. 99.9%

00:43:14.420 of the shit I did to get to where I'm at today was alone. Alone. Out there running in cold, in heat,

00:43:24.000 suffering, in pools, trying to swim, at home, in a fucking room by myself, trying to teach myself

00:43:29.820 how to read and write, how to study. No one saw that shit. There was no video camera. There was no

00:43:34.440 podcast. There was no Who's David Goggins. There was no documentary. No documentary. There was no

00:43:38.840 documentary shit. It was me, just for me, trying to get in the military. Everybody can do. It's easy.

00:43:47.800 Just trying to learn how to read and write was something that blows Rocky away. All these different

00:43:53.620 challenges that I've been through in my life, I don't look at that movie the same way. I'm proud

00:43:58.320 of what I created. But I'm more proud of what I created without an audience, without a cheering

00:44:04.260 squad. Like you run the Boston Marathon and people love that race. They run so fast because for 26.2

00:44:09.880 miles, there's a motherfucker just, come on, man. You got it. You can do it. You know who you are

00:44:16.260 when there's no motherfucker out there when you're running. And you're at mile 75, 150 mile

00:44:23.300 race. And nobody cheering for you. You're broken. You're fucking defeated. It's you and you alone

00:44:29.060 in your fucking head. And I stayed that way for the better part of 30 fucking years trying to figure

00:44:37.340 this shit out. And once you figure it out, everybody's like, hey, so you're all broken now.

00:44:42.920 Is that how you want to be? Yep. Yep. If you could feel, if I could put my brain in your fucking head,

00:44:52.880 you would say the same fucking thing. You would no longer think I was fucking crazy. You no longer

00:44:57.080 think I was sadistic. You realize, motherfucker, this guy found it. He found it. We're all looking

00:45:02.560 for this feeling. We're all looking for this feeling. And people look at me because I don't always smile.

00:45:07.420 And I'm not always jovial on that bullshit. Yeah. Nah, man. Don't get twisted, dude. People see,

00:45:14.280 oh my God, if you look in his eyes, you see like almost an emptiness. People say that about you?

00:45:19.000 Oh yeah. That actually surprised me because from the minute I walked in this room, I saw something

00:45:23.120 different. Because you understand. So many people who are judging us don't understand. They don't want

00:45:28.980 to look in the eyes of me. They don't want to look in the eyes and study them. What you see in me is

00:45:34.580 fucking real life. That's why people, a lot of people resonate with me because I skipped through

00:45:39.220 all the fluff. I skipped through all the fluff. Right. I can't fluff shit. I don't know what that

00:45:45.860 is. Life didn't present me with fluff. So I'm expressing to you what I know a lot of us are

00:45:52.520 going through. A lot of us are going through fucking hell. Maybe not as bad as me. Maybe worse

00:45:57.180 than me. Sure. But they don't know how to express it because we're supposed to live in a fucking

00:46:01.120 world where we have to talk a certain way. We have to walk a certain way. We have to act

00:46:06.620 a certain way. A kinder, gentler world. Nothing gets handled in that fucking world. You stay

00:46:13.340 fucked up in that world. You stay in a world of things would get better because someone said

00:46:20.380 they would and I need to find peace. No. You need to go to fucking war with yourself, man.

00:46:26.920 At the end of that fucking war, you'll sit back all damaged and bruised and scarred up

00:46:33.260 and fucked up and maybe your psoas muscles so tight that you may lose two inches on your

00:46:38.120 fucking body. Who knows? But then that fucking war, you're going to sit back on a couch, maybe

00:46:43.520 have a fucking glass of water. If you drink a beer, you drink a beer. The war may be 30

00:46:47.420 fucking years, but when it ends, you will know what the fuck it's all about then. And then

00:46:52.780 you'll find your fucking peace. You'll find your fucking peace then. But until then, you'll

00:46:57.920 always be searching to find that nice, kind book that guides you beyond all your personal

00:47:03.460 suffering and shit. That miracles your fucking ass to peace. It doesn't happen, man. Maybe

00:47:09.220 it does for some people, but you're just scratching the surface of real life.

00:47:12.060 I don't know if it does. I mean, you're touching on a point that a lot of people don't talk about

00:47:16.100 and that is just being with yourself. Yes. Right? I mean, you've been with yourself for

00:47:20.020 thousands and thousands of hours suffering through some of the most difficult obstacles

00:47:25.320 that we have ever placed upon ourselves. Right. And I think people are really quick to put

00:47:31.380 themselves around others. A lot of the times I think it's to distract themselves from dealing

00:47:36.520 with their own reality. But is there value in mentorship? I had a friend and he knew you

00:47:43.060 and I were going to be talking and he said, ask him about mentorship. He didn't talk about that

00:47:46.040 a whole lot. You're talking about the value in being alone. I can definitely see how that's

00:47:50.040 viable. But is there value in mentorship? Is there value in coaching? Is there value in

00:47:54.220 these other things as well? There's great value in it, but you got to make sure it's the right

00:47:58.140 mentor. You have to make sure that that motherfucker is doing what he's saying. What turns me off,

00:48:04.960 which is why if I don't do what I say I'm doing, I'm not saying it. So many people now

00:48:11.880 are caught up into mentorship, which is good. Sure. It's a buzzword. It's a buzzword. They're

00:48:17.160 looking for that next motivational person. And everybody now is out there doing this shit. And

00:48:21.940 they even put me in that. I'm not. No, I'm not a fucking role model to you. I'm not trying to be

00:48:27.060 a fucking role model. I'm telling you what helped me to fuck out. I'm not telling you to be me,

00:48:31.180 to follow me, to do what I do. Don't do that. I'll never say that. Too many mentors out here are

00:48:37.040 mentoring people not fucking living in that shit. They fucking wake up. They have their fucking

00:48:41.720 podcast. They go out to make their fucking money. They talk this great shit. They get from what

00:48:46.560 I'm saying. They get from what you're saying. They get from what somebody's saying. They flip it in

00:48:49.920 some fucking way and they fucking package it out and they sell it to people. It's a bunch of shit.

00:48:53.980 Why? Because they're living the high life. They're living the good life. They're getting paid high

00:48:58.120 and they're not fucking putting in the work. They're not putting in the fucking work. So you're

00:49:03.380 being mentored a lot of times by a fucking liar. Somebody who read a book on it. Who read a fucking book

00:49:08.300 on it or who had a hard time. Who had a hard time for a little bit. Learn a little bit from Summit

00:49:14.780 and now I'm going to fucking sell it out to people. No man. If you're living that, you have to live

00:49:20.680 that way. You have to live in the grind of life. I'm not saying live in the hard times of life.

00:49:26.860 Work out every day. Better yourself every day. Suffer. Go back to a spot that's not so fucking

00:49:33.140 comfortable for you. Just because you made it and you've arrived somewhere, if that's your

00:49:37.840 mentality, you're no longer a fucking mentor. Yeah. There's no made it, right? No. Don't fucking

00:49:44.380 mentor, motherfucker. If you're happy where you're at, take a few steps backwards and go back to where

00:49:51.480 that one spot that made you. That spot that made me was that time on the couch. I'm sitting

00:49:57.180 with a fucking chocolate milkshake. 297 pounds. I can't go back to 297, but I can go back to how

00:50:03.500 that time felt because that's when I was the hungriest. We lose the hunger and then we go

00:50:07.480 into mentoring people. I'm mentoring you from a nice 72 degree temperature room. Everything is

00:50:12.940 great. I'm making millions of fucking dollars and people are mentoring people. That's great.

00:50:18.340 What did you do today to get uncomfortable? What did you do today to earn that manhood?

00:50:23.500 What did you do today to mentor my fucking ass? What did you do today? I don't give a fuck what

00:50:30.320 you did 20 fucking years ago. If you're not doing it now, stop mentoring a motherfucker. Retire and

00:50:37.580 say, hey, young man, I don't know anymore. I'm now comfortable. You need to be in a spot that's

00:50:44.660 hungry. I'm not hungry anymore. If you're not hungry anymore, don't mentor a motherfucker.

00:50:49.080 Yeah.

00:50:49.220 Don't mentor. And that's my belief. Yeah. Give somebody some tidbits because you got some

00:50:54.020 knowledge. You know, you're an old guy, got some knowledge.

00:50:56.360 Sure.

00:50:56.840 Yeah.

00:50:57.420 Some moral responsibility.

00:50:58.760 A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But I believe a mentor is a person that you look

00:51:03.640 at and you say, motherfucker, man, that's what I want to be like. He's 44. He's whatever

00:51:10.320 he is. He still lives it. He talks it. He lives it. The moral of the story is this. A lot of

00:51:16.080 people are talking and they ain't fucking living it and they're mentors. Yeah. Bullshit.

00:51:21.500 That's why I'm angry. I get angry about this shit. Why? Because a lot of people, man, are

00:51:25.840 living this fucking dream out here, man. I see people got my fucking name tagged with

00:51:31.640 these fucking people that I know that aren't doing shit. Don't tag me with a motherfucker

00:51:36.020 like that. Oh, this guy. I'm not going to drop names. That's not who I am. Don't tag me

00:51:41.020 with a motherfucker. Don't tag me with fucking anybody. Because I know for a hundred percent

00:51:46.680 fact that if you talk to me, I got my shit in. And I'm going to get it in. And when I

00:51:53.540 stop talking, you know one thing. I ain't doing it no more. I ain't got no more to fucking

00:51:58.680 say because I'm not telling you what I'm doing now. I'm telling you what I used to be.

00:52:02.600 Don't tag me on shit. Fucking, you know, with me and this guy and this guy all helped you

00:52:07.460 out. A lot of them guys ain't doing shit. They're fucking reading the book, getting

00:52:11.860 somebody else's shit, writing about it, and they're fucking your mentor. Nah. A mentor

00:52:16.940 is a person that's fucking grinding the way you want to grind. Still. Still. Yeah. Today.

00:52:22.220 Yeah. That's just my two fucking cents on that. That was like three cents. But man, I like

00:52:27.040 it. I like it. Like the passion is what inspires me, man, is because there is. There's a lot of

00:52:32.300 fake out there. There's a lot of just nonsense and there's a lot of just regurgitation of the

00:52:36.020 same old stuff. And so I think when somebody comes along who actually has something real to

00:52:40.140 say, you're like, oh yeah, this is, this is what I need. This is what inspires me. Even though you

00:52:44.580 may not be feeling like you're supposed to be mentoring or are mentoring. I think that inspiration

00:52:49.100 is, is huge for sure. Well, I appreciate that, but it's just real. I like real people. You're not

00:52:54.760 real, man. Shut the fuck up, man. Gentlemen, I've got to interrupt just really, really quickly and

00:53:01.460 then we'll get back to it. I wanted to share something with you that I haven't really talked a

00:53:05.160 whole lot about. And that is that one of the directions that the order of man has gone that

00:53:09.820 I did not anticipate it going when we launched four years ago is really for us as men to turn

00:53:15.040 around and offer a hand to the boys who we would have become men. And that's why over the last year,

00:53:21.340 we launched our inaugural legacy experience. It's a father, son event designed to forge deeper and

00:53:27.580 more powerful bonds between dads and their boys. And after a huge level of success on that first

00:53:33.180 experience, we've decided to open up the second ever legacy experience with some updated events,

00:53:38.340 challenges, features. If you've ever wanted to participate in some sort of rite of passage with

00:53:44.080 your son, this is the experience that you've been waiting for. All right. All you have to do

00:53:48.640 is get to Las Vegas, April 11th, 2019. It's from the 11th through the 14th. From there, we're going to

00:53:54.760 shuttle you and your son to our lodge in the mountains of Pine Valley for an unforgettable,

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00:54:06.060 mentally, emotionally, and equip both you and him with the tools that you need to succeed as men

00:54:11.480 in an ever challenging landscape of, of modern times. So if this sounds like something you're

00:54:17.880 even remotely interested in, go check it out, get signed up quickly because we only have a few spots

00:54:23.260 left. Again, that's April 11th through the 14th, 2019. You can head to order of man.com slash legacy

00:54:30.020 again, order of man.com slash legacy to learn more. You can watch a film from our last event.

00:54:34.900 And then of course get registered again, order of man.com slash legacy. Do that after the show,

00:54:39.960 guys, we're getting back to it with David. I want to talk about the idea of the accountability

00:54:45.640 mirror, right? And going through your book, I thought, man, this is genius. But I also thought

00:54:50.040 and wondered, is there a level where the self-talk, like literally looking at yourself in the mirror

00:54:54.340 and the self-talk become destructive rather than constructive? And where do you find that line?

00:54:59.740 So it's a thin line.

00:55:01.440 Definitely.

00:55:01.880 And I walked it when I invented the accountability mirror. I walked it hardcore and you have to walk

00:55:06.260 it because we live in a world where you have to love yourself, but we also live in a world where

00:55:11.380 if it helps me to help you, I'll help you. Some selfish motherfuckers.

00:55:13.900 So yeah, back to your question, the accountability mirror is something that you have to be so real

00:55:20.500 and raw and you can't talk to yourself in a nice way, but you can't get so bad in that accountability

00:55:28.180 mirror where you get it twisted and you start putting yourself down all the time. You got to call

00:55:35.900 yourself for what you are, but you also got to give credit where credit's due. So when I did the

00:55:41.840 counter-beard, you know, I was like fucking high school when I did this shit and I was a fucking

00:55:46.240 character. I was a liar. I was a character. I was a cheat. It took several years to get out of that,

00:55:50.740 man. I didn't know. And I hate to put ignorance on something, but when you're trying to literally

00:55:56.320 invent a man out of nothing, you have a whole bunch of shit to go through, man.

00:56:02.460 Yeah.

00:56:02.780 And I had a whole bunch of shit to go through and it took a lot of years.

00:56:05.600 But I also think, you know, from my perspective, just to interject here is like, you know, you talk

00:56:10.600 about cheating, for example, right? In school. And I think, yeah, yeah, it's cheating. No doubt.

00:56:15.020 But it's also doing what needs to be done in order to achieve an objective.

00:56:19.340 I was a survivor, my friend.

00:56:20.620 And that's what I'm talking about. Now, is there a better way to handle it? Yeah, probably. Maybe.

00:56:24.700 But at the end of the day, you got to get it done.

00:56:27.180 I was the epitome of getting it done. I wasn't proud of how I got it done.

00:56:31.240 I wanted to be proud of it. I wanted to earn. I wanted to earn how I got it done.

00:56:36.860 That was the thing, man. That's what bothered me. I didn't give a fuck about cheating.

00:56:40.780 Now I'm happy that it bothers me. Now I'm like, motherfucker, you should know that shit.

00:56:46.320 You need to be the best person in this class.

00:56:48.420 Based on what I'm hearing you say, it's that it's not your best.

00:56:51.200 Right. It's not my best at all. So back to the accountability mirror, you have to call

00:56:57.620 yourself out for what you are. And at that time,

00:57:01.240 I called myself out. But you also have to be careful for

00:57:04.960 a lot of people getting this mentality of

00:57:07.760 we live in a world a lot of times now where people don't believe they're good enough ever.

00:57:12.160 And they continuously talk about this.

00:57:15.440 I'm not good enough. I'm not good enough.

00:57:17.640 I'm never going to be good enough. If that's your accountability mirror,

00:57:20.900 that's not how you do that.

00:57:23.180 That's not how you do that.

00:57:24.240 It's not helping.

00:57:24.640 No. Call yourself out for who you are at that time.

00:57:28.520 Be real with yourself. Be honest.

00:57:29.840 And then start to fix that.

00:57:32.800 So the most important conversation is when you have yourself.

00:57:36.040 You have to change that conversation.

00:57:38.020 If you're a negative person and all you talk about is, I'm not good enough here.

00:57:42.120 That's not how that works.

00:57:43.960 That accountability mirror has two sides to it.

00:57:46.440 You call yourself out and you also start to have these small victories.

00:57:51.060 Don't have this big grandiose, you know, like, I want to be a Navy SEAL.

00:57:54.300 So trust me, man, don't do what I did.

00:57:57.980 I have very limited time to do what I did.

00:58:00.840 So my accountability mirror became huge and grandiose.

00:58:04.740 It's too much for the brain to comprehend.

00:58:07.520 The brain can comprehend if I had to lose 106 pounds in less than three months,

00:58:11.740 which I did, that's too much.

00:58:14.220 You quit doing that.

00:58:15.520 I quit 100 times during the process.

00:58:19.480 Just fucking look at it.

00:58:20.800 If your goal is 106 pounds, be happy when you lose a fucking pound.

00:58:26.200 Progress is always about moving forward, not moving back, not staying stagnant, moving forward,

00:58:32.920 even if it's one small step at a time.

00:58:35.220 I've been stretching out now for almost six years.

00:58:38.640 I take all these steps backwards, but I see that I'm going forward.

00:58:42.920 My body's trying to go forward.

00:58:44.740 I've been patient and patient.

00:58:46.600 Now it's 2019.

00:58:48.420 I've been doing this for almost six years.

00:58:50.740 I'm about to go back to bad water 135.

00:58:53.640 Are you really?

00:58:54.040 It's been since 2014 where I had to drop out for health issues.

00:58:58.460 Could never get back to the start line.

00:59:00.880 And guess what?

00:59:01.520 Haven't shared this either.

00:59:02.380 I went from running 205 miles in 39 hours to not being able to get out of bed.

00:59:08.380 When I dropped out of bad water, I went to the emergency room.

00:59:11.300 A few months later, I'm in my bed, not able to get out of my bed.

00:59:15.900 The doctors couldn't figure anything out with me.

00:59:18.460 Nothing.

00:59:19.460 I sat in the bed and I smiled.

00:59:22.960 I didn't put this in the book.

00:59:24.680 And I went through it all.

00:59:25.940 I said to myself, I'm going to win bad water.

00:59:29.520 I couldn't even fucking walk.

00:59:31.140 I couldn't get out of bed.

00:59:33.320 2014.

00:59:34.520 And my mentality is, I'm going to win fucking bad water one day.

00:59:38.560 Is that right?

00:59:39.580 And I swear to God, that's exactly what I thought.

00:59:42.020 Versus laying in that fucking bed thinking this is it.

00:59:45.780 And I thought this was it.

00:59:47.180 I thought that.

00:59:48.120 I said, man, no one can figure it out.

00:59:49.900 How do you fucking get this sick, man?

00:59:52.760 How the fuck am I?

00:59:53.420 My body's shutting down.

00:59:54.920 My heart rate's all over the place.

00:59:56.820 I'm in AFib.

00:59:57.700 I'm all fucked up.

00:59:58.580 What's going on?

00:59:59.020 I've had two heart surgery.

01:00:00.360 What's wrong with my health?

01:00:02.620 I sat back after I calmed down.

01:00:04.420 I stepped back and I smiled.

01:00:06.380 I'm in the bed.

01:00:06.920 I said, you know what?

01:00:07.960 This is it.

01:00:09.940 You can win bad water one day, brother.

01:00:12.480 And what's funny about that, I'm not.

01:00:14.820 2019.

01:00:16.140 I'm in the best shape of my life.

01:00:17.500 I'm not saying I'm going to win a fucking race, but that was my mentality.

01:00:19.960 Sure.

01:00:21.060 And that's the one thing that kept me going and saying, okay, let's stretch out.

01:00:26.640 Let's stretch out.

01:00:27.880 Let's stretch out.

01:00:28.500 We're going to win bad water one day.

01:00:29.660 One day, the race that fucking ended you, the race that you couldn't even fucking finish

01:00:34.000 at the end of it, man.

01:00:34.780 I've done three of them.

01:00:35.820 I finished three of them.

01:00:36.960 That's the fucking mentality.

01:00:38.540 From the sewer mentality that you have to fucking have, man.

01:00:42.260 Like, when you're knocked down, you got to be that motherfucker who, whoever knocks

01:00:46.620 you down, they got to be afraid they knocked you the fuck down.

01:00:51.040 They'd be like, oh, man, this ain't going to end good for me.

01:00:53.700 I made a mistake.

01:00:54.580 I made a mistake knocking this motherfucker down because he's going to come back.

01:00:58.000 He's going to come back.

01:00:59.640 That has to be the way you look at life.

01:01:02.320 I may not win bad, but I don't give a fuck about that.

01:01:05.540 It's that mentality.

01:01:06.680 It's that mentality of, if you knock me the fuck down, you're going to say to yourself,

01:01:12.660 I shouldn't have done that to that motherfucker.

01:01:16.280 That's the mentality that keeps you in the fight.

01:01:19.300 And that's all it's about, man.

01:01:21.180 This is that, uh, the concept of taking souls.

01:01:23.960 That's right.

01:01:24.880 I love that concept.

01:01:26.140 I think some people might look at that and say, you know, that's a negative way to look

01:01:29.760 at it or, or you shouldn't want to win at the expense of other people.

01:01:33.660 I think that's what people naturally say.

01:01:35.900 Right.

01:01:36.420 But as I was going through this concept and really trying to understand what you were

01:01:39.500 saying, I'm like, not truly it.

01:01:40.980 No, that's, I mean, this is, this is powerful.

01:01:43.640 It's an imaginary game.

01:01:45.220 Right.

01:01:46.260 It's an imaginary game that you're playing with yourself in your darkest moment.

01:01:50.920 You're utilizing people.

01:01:52.800 They don't know that you're utilizing them.

01:01:54.700 Right.

01:01:55.260 And you're not physically manipulating people or sabotage.

01:01:59.120 That's not what we're talking about here.

01:02:00.300 And like you talk about taking souls, I invented that.

01:02:04.340 And one of the worst times going through Navy SEAL training.

01:02:08.320 So it was Wednesday.

01:02:09.800 And I talk about it in the book.

01:02:10.980 I'm sure you know about it.

01:02:11.840 But for people who don't know about it, I invented taking souls because my soul was

01:02:16.360 being taken from me.

01:02:18.000 I felt the energy being drained from everybody in my boat crew.

01:02:21.680 We had six guys in my boat crew.

01:02:23.020 I felt the energy being drained.

01:02:24.480 It's Wednesday.

01:02:25.420 And on Wednesday, so Helby starts on Sunday, ends on Friday.

01:02:29.020 And through Rumor Mill, they all tell you on Wednesday, man, you're fucked up.

01:02:34.120 You're just destroyed.

01:02:35.100 And I've been through three of these motherfuckers, man.

01:02:36.780 So I knew that's the case.

01:02:38.980 But that's the case because through the years, that was just the pass down.

01:02:44.120 Sure.

01:02:44.720 So you start to create someone else's fucking mentality.

01:02:47.860 Self-fulfilling prophecy.

01:02:48.900 That's right.

01:02:49.600 This ain't my fucking mentality.

01:02:50.760 I'm with Tom, Dick, and Joe told me.

01:02:53.640 I'm feeling what they said.

01:02:55.060 So now you start to feel that way.

01:02:57.620 You're all defeated and shit.

01:02:59.500 So going through my second hell week, I'm realizing, hang on, man.

01:03:04.000 Joe told me this shit.

01:03:05.980 That's his limitation.

01:03:07.020 Joe ain't Goggins, motherfucker.

01:03:09.260 So this is how I talk to myself, man.

01:03:11.720 I'm like, Joe ain't Goggins, motherfucker.

01:03:13.440 So what do you do now?

01:03:14.240 Your boat crew's all fucked up.

01:03:15.500 How are you getting fired up?

01:03:16.880 So I'm looking at the instructors on the beach, and they're all fucking, you know,

01:03:19.360 they do eight-hour shifts.

01:03:22.060 They have these instructors, eight hours.

01:03:23.540 They come in.

01:03:24.160 They go.

01:03:24.580 There's three shifts.

01:03:25.820 So they're all fresh, and they're all chilling out.

01:03:27.620 Sure, yeah.

01:03:28.240 Parka's just nice and cold out there.

01:03:29.840 They got nice jackets.

01:03:31.260 We're all wet and miserable, sandy and fucked up.

01:03:34.000 They got a cup of coffee, and they're looking at us, just jackhammering.

01:03:38.360 I'm like, these motherfuckers are taking joy in this shit, man.

01:03:40.780 I would take joy in it.

01:03:43.080 But I also know that these guys, these instructors are looking at all of us students, and they're

01:03:49.400 reminiscing back to when they were us.

01:03:51.540 Of course.

01:03:52.220 And how fucking miserable this time is for them.

01:03:55.040 They're like, I would never want to do that.

01:03:57.440 There's power in that.

01:03:59.020 There's power in knowing the human mind.

01:04:01.740 So I'm like, okay, roger that.

01:04:04.360 What I'm going to do is I'm going to get inside your motherfucking heads right now.

01:04:06.780 They don't know what I'm doing.

01:04:09.180 So I get my boat crew of five other guys, me making six guys, and the whole evolution

01:04:14.540 now is all you got to do is just lift your boat over your head, six of us guys.

01:04:18.920 But by this time, you're all weak, and you're fragile, and the boat's coming down.

01:04:21.920 Yeah, it sounds easy, right?

01:04:22.660 Yeah, it sounds easy.

01:04:23.460 But on Wednesday, not getting any sleep, the boat's heavy.

01:04:26.720 So now the boat's on your head.

01:04:27.860 It's like, get the boat off your fucking head, and you're trying to pick it up.

01:04:30.800 This is the rhythm.

01:04:31.900 This is the battle rhythm now.

01:04:33.280 Now they're fucking with you.

01:04:34.360 You're tired.

01:04:35.040 You're a fucking zombie.

01:04:35.980 And now they're playing the fuck-fuck games.

01:04:37.940 We got them.

01:04:38.640 We got them.

01:04:39.740 The class is cut down in fucking size now.

01:04:43.100 The chink's in the armor.

01:04:45.000 The chink's in the armor.

01:04:46.180 But I'm saying, okay, motherfucker, here we go.

01:04:48.340 I tell my guys, hey, check it out, dude.

01:04:50.360 Follow my lead.

01:04:51.680 Just give me a few seconds.

01:04:53.960 Give me a few seconds of motivation, man.

01:04:56.560 So instead of just having the boat over your head, we're going to start fucking boat pressing

01:05:01.120 this motherfucker, man.

01:05:02.460 At the top of the boat press, we're going to loft that bitch.

01:05:04.960 I'm like, dude, I don't know if you can.

01:05:06.940 I'm like, just fucking, you can do it.

01:05:08.560 Trust me.

01:05:09.340 Just do it for a couple seconds, and you'll find strength in it.

01:05:12.700 So I start yelling, you can't hurt boat crew, too.

01:05:17.260 Can't hurt boat crew, too.

01:05:19.180 And my guys start to feed off.

01:05:20.680 So the boat's kind of doing this at first, because some guys are in it, some guys aren't.

01:05:24.800 After a while, man, the whole fucking boat crew, too, is fucking.

01:05:28.560 So boat crew, too, it goes off your height.

01:05:30.320 Sure, yeah.

01:05:30.780 The tall you are, it's like a height line.

01:05:32.000 Right.

01:05:32.720 So boat crew, too, we're the second tallest boat crew.

01:05:35.320 And we're just jacking this fucking boat up now, man.

01:05:38.200 And me and my boy, Bill Brown, the front of the boat.

01:05:40.360 And so the front of the boat, it's the heaviest part of the boat.

01:05:42.820 Okay.

01:05:43.880 And we're just fucking going crazy.

01:05:46.280 And all the other boat crews are just trying to just keep this motherfucker up.

01:05:49.620 Barely hanging on.

01:05:50.400 And we're just jacking it up.

01:05:51.680 Can't hurt us.

01:05:52.260 So now, we're looking, I'm looking, because they don't know what the fuck I'm even doing.

01:05:57.400 Even my boat crew doesn't know what I'm doing.

01:05:59.420 I'm looking at the fucking instructors' faces.

01:06:02.520 And I can see that they're broken a little bit by the mere fact that it's fucking Wednesday.

01:06:08.680 And these guys are supposed to be dead.

01:06:10.800 And they're not broken.

01:06:11.880 And I saw a look in their eyes, kind of like the look I saw with Apollo Creed when Rocky got up.

01:06:19.260 Oh, yeah.

01:06:19.800 The look of like, the fuck.

01:06:22.200 And I could tell a lot of them respected us, but a lot of them also were like, kind of like the hatred, like, fuck you.

01:06:27.720 Like, the alpha male mentality of, you're a little bit.

01:06:30.160 Now it's a game.

01:06:30.880 It's a contest, right?

01:06:31.800 You're a little bit better than me.

01:06:33.160 You guys are students, but now we became the instructors.

01:06:36.380 In my mind, this is power in your own mind.

01:06:40.260 This is what I'm thinking, that they're thinking.

01:06:42.880 So I turn around after all that's done.

01:06:45.780 And my boat crew now is fucking jacked the fuck up.

01:06:50.380 And we start just to take over Hell Week again.

01:06:53.620 We lost no races.

01:06:55.800 130 hours, lost no races.

01:06:57.820 Won every fucking race in my second Hell Week.

01:07:00.380 And I turn to my boat crew as we're running out, the boats in our head.

01:07:04.040 We're all up in the front.

01:07:05.400 And everybody's just fucking smoke behind us.

01:07:07.160 And I looked at them and I said, hey, these motherfuckers will not be having sex for a long time.

01:07:13.440 They're like, why is that?

01:07:15.240 Because we own space.

01:07:16.680 We own rent.

01:07:16.880 That's right, man.

01:07:17.280 You're in their head.

01:07:18.080 We own rent in their fucking head, man.

01:07:20.880 We own a part of their fucking brain.

01:07:23.720 And it may not be true.

01:07:25.460 I don't give a fuck.

01:07:27.100 But in times of need, you must find ways to find strength.

01:07:31.740 That's all it is.

01:07:32.520 It's a tool at a time when you need it.

01:07:36.180 Yeah.

01:07:36.560 It's not about hurting your body's feelings.

01:07:38.220 It's not about using.

01:07:39.240 No.

01:07:39.920 It's a tool.

01:07:41.060 I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.

01:07:42.500 I don't give a fuck what they were thinking.

01:07:43.840 It doesn't matter.

01:07:44.180 It doesn't matter.

01:07:45.180 I know on Wednesday night of Hell Week you're broken and I wasn't.

01:07:48.720 And I know that something registered in their fucking head.

01:07:53.460 That's enough for me.

01:07:54.360 And the way you talk about it in the book is, I think if I remember correctly, that that came back to bite you.

01:08:00.260 Maybe just a little bit.

01:08:01.340 Because then they push harder, right?

01:08:02.500 They're like, oh yeah, yeah.

01:08:03.240 We'll show you.

01:08:04.340 Right?

01:08:05.220 But again, I think what you're talking about is the benefits of going that route outweigh the potential punishment of having to do that.

01:08:13.660 100%.

01:08:14.100 Because what I found out that happened to me was I rode that high because I knew why.

01:08:19.240 So why I started getting beat even more?

01:08:21.700 I knew why they were beating me more.

01:08:23.420 So now I knew I really had you.

01:08:26.280 I knew I really had you.

01:08:27.480 So now I even fed up even more.

01:08:29.380 So the more you beat me now, the more I said, you can't hurt me, motherfucker.

01:08:34.580 Yeah.

01:08:34.900 You can't.

01:08:35.220 So I was now like saying, now I'm going to really.

01:08:37.580 So now I didn't fall asleep.

01:08:39.100 I wasn't tired.

01:08:40.040 I never got cold.

01:08:41.520 I wanted you to feel horrible now.

01:08:45.020 Now that I see that now you're mad because I rose to level up and now I see that now you want to beat me harder.

01:08:52.900 Now it's on.

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:54.560 Yeah.

01:08:54.880 I fed off of that, man.

01:08:56.000 Any man who didn't feed off of that, question yourself.

01:09:00.280 So I joined the National Guard when I was in high school.

01:09:02.560 I went to basic training when I was just 99.

01:09:05.140 So right out of high school.

01:09:06.560 And some of the advice I got, and I never really understood it.

01:09:09.700 And I still don't understand it.

01:09:10.900 When people say today is they say, just blend in.

01:09:13.400 Don't volunteer.

01:09:14.200 Blend in.

01:09:14.360 Right, right, right.

01:09:14.820 Just blend in.

01:09:15.800 Oh, yeah.

01:09:16.080 You may survive because you adopt that.

01:09:17.940 Right.

01:09:18.480 But at the same time, I'm thinking to myself, like, that's how you want to live your life?

01:09:22.220 Right.

01:09:22.400 Like, that's how you want to live any element of your life?

01:09:24.660 Right.

01:09:24.760 By being mediocre so people don't see you?

01:09:27.060 Exactly.

01:09:27.380 That sounds ridiculous to me.

01:09:28.500 People love the gray man.

01:09:30.020 And they tell you that in SEAL training.

01:09:31.980 They tell you that in SEAL training.

01:09:33.100 Yeah, I bet.

01:09:33.440 But what's funny about this, I was a 36 black guy to ever make it through in seven years.

01:09:37.400 I ain't blend in regardless.

01:09:38.480 Yeah, there's nothing you can do to hide.

01:09:39.760 I was lucky.

01:09:40.780 So I've been the only, I call it the only in my book a lot.

01:09:45.000 So I had no choice.

01:09:47.460 I've been around white people my whole life, and I've been the only black guy in every situation.

01:09:52.740 Yeah.

01:09:53.320 So that worked to my advantage and my disadvantage.

01:09:56.240 If I'm walking and being the only person, you better be a bad motherfucker.

01:10:00.120 Because you can't hide.

01:10:01.700 Right.

01:10:02.220 You cannot hide.

01:10:03.020 Right.

01:10:03.640 So for me, I knew that.

01:10:05.840 I knew that going into every situation.

01:10:08.700 I put myself in those situations intentionally.

01:10:12.040 Because I wanted to be the guy that just took out like a fucking sore thumb.

01:10:15.580 Here I am.

01:10:16.180 I'm the only black guy here.

01:10:18.000 How you doing?

01:10:19.280 How you doing?

01:10:20.040 Owned it.

01:10:20.660 Owned it.

01:10:21.560 Owned it.

01:10:22.100 Versus nowadays, we can't even talk about fucking race.

01:10:26.020 Mm-hmm.

01:10:26.560 Everybody gets buttered.

01:10:27.540 People wonder why shit's not getting fixed.

01:10:29.660 And I'm going on a little tangent right now because it makes me sick.

01:10:32.980 Everybody's so fucking thin-skinned, man.

01:10:34.940 Yeah.

01:10:35.120 Blacks are thin-skinned.

01:10:36.300 Whites are thin-skinned.

01:10:37.520 There's no fucking communication.

01:10:40.160 Like, for instance, I'll never forget when I was trying to sell my book.

01:10:43.140 Funniest thing happened.

01:10:44.340 I self-published.

01:10:45.440 Mm-hmm.

01:10:45.740 Yeah.

01:10:46.820 Funniest thing happened.

01:10:47.720 I had a couple interviews at a couple publishing houses back in the day before this happened.

01:10:52.560 And a couple people were like, hey, man, you know, you're a black guy with an interesting story,

01:10:57.320 but there's only like 15% of America's black.

01:10:59.860 So they thought that I'm only going to sell this fucking book to black people.

01:11:02.820 Dumb-ass motherfucker.

01:11:05.340 So I'm sitting there thinking, this is your dumb-ass mentality.

01:11:09.360 Yeah.

01:11:09.500 90 fucking percent of the people that follow me are white.

01:11:14.400 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:11:15.660 And they're from all walks of fucking life.

01:11:18.000 Some are fucking from the backwoods of fucking Montana.

01:11:21.180 Some are fucking high-scale CEOs.

01:11:23.880 It doesn't matter.

01:11:25.320 It's a fucking communication barrier.

01:11:27.280 We all suffer, man.

01:11:28.900 We all suffer the fucking same.

01:11:31.340 The thing about life is we can't fucking communicate, man.

01:11:34.540 Everybody's so fucking thin.

01:11:35.700 If people were to get some fucking alligator skin, problems would be fucking solved.

01:11:40.960 Right.

01:11:41.320 Because you could have the conversations that need to be had.

01:11:43.060 You can go there.

01:11:43.940 Right.

01:11:44.180 You can go there without being offended and being butthurt talking about what happened years ago or centuries ago or decades or whatever the fuck happened.

01:11:51.320 We can deal with what's going on and how we can solve fucking problems.

01:11:56.760 How men can sit down, black, white, of all fucking colors.

01:12:00.940 I don't care if you're fucking gay, black, lesbian, whatever the fuck.

01:12:04.020 We can sit down and fix shit.

01:12:06.040 You can't fix shit if you as a white man are sitting back and saying, oh, man.

01:12:09.680 Can't talk about this.

01:12:10.460 What the fuck am I going to say with Goggins, man?

01:12:11.900 He's fucking black, dude.

01:12:12.920 This fucking guy may go high order, man.

01:12:15.300 He may fucking blow the fuck up by missing something about.

01:12:17.960 So how do I, do I say black?

01:12:20.420 Do I say African-American?

01:12:22.460 African-American, right.

01:12:23.360 What the fuck?

01:12:25.540 That's some of the problems I have with America.

01:12:28.120 We just are so fucking weak that we can't get anything fixed because we're so fucking soft, man.

01:12:35.440 What does that require then?

01:12:36.600 Does that require guys like you, guys like me, guys who are listening to the podcast,

01:12:39.880 to be able to have real conversations about real issues?

01:12:42.920 Man, the fuck up.

01:12:44.260 You're not trying to hurt my fucking feelings.

01:12:46.020 No.

01:12:47.140 You, being a white man, you are not trying to hurt my fucking feelings.

01:12:52.340 You are trying to, yeah, some people are.

01:12:54.620 Sure, yeah, there's people out there, no doubt.

01:12:56.100 There's people are.

01:12:57.840 When there's people who want to get together and solve problems,

01:13:00.800 you have to go to the ugly places to see what offends you, what bothers you.

01:13:07.280 You have to say this shit.

01:13:08.880 You have to ask me, hey, David, why do some black people get offended when all I say is this?

01:13:15.940 You have to be able to say it so I can tell you why.

01:13:18.420 Right.

01:13:18.980 Then we learn.

01:13:19.580 Then we learn.

01:13:20.820 Without a con for fucking saying shit, there's no fucking knowledge, man, on anything.

01:13:25.100 On anything.

01:13:26.060 If you get your, like me, I'm a black guy.

01:13:28.480 I got my butt hurt all the fucking time.

01:13:30.940 There's a time in my book when I was a junior in high school and I went to all white fucking school.

01:13:35.180 Five black people in my school and probably like five black families in all of Brazil, Indiana.

01:13:40.760 I stayed butt hurt.

01:13:42.680 Oh, fucking this.

01:13:43.860 I thought the whole town didn't like me.

01:13:46.080 No, there was about 20 fucking racist motherfuckers that didn't like my black ass,

01:13:50.560 so I hated every white person.

01:13:51.980 You lumped everybody in there.

01:13:52.880 Everybody.

01:13:53.360 So I started watching Malcolm X videos and losing my mind on black people.

01:13:58.260 It's got to be black.

01:13:58.900 It's got to be black.

01:13:59.380 If you're not black, fuck you.

01:14:00.820 The ignorance behind that, the amount of ignorance behind it.

01:14:05.760 I know I'm saying the black and white issue, man, but it is sometimes.

01:14:08.420 It becomes that something because of ignorance.

01:14:10.560 We lump everybody into shit because we're not thick-skinned enough to fucking be open-minded

01:14:14.920 to know not everybody's fucked up like that, dude.

01:14:18.400 And nothing's going to be fixed until we fucking get open-minded about the real problems of life.

01:14:22.580 Yeah.

01:14:23.140 Period.

01:14:24.140 We got to be able to talk about it.

01:14:25.260 White people have to talk about it as much as black people.

01:14:28.140 Right.

01:14:28.680 And all colors and genders and races have to be able to talk about it.

01:14:33.360 Period.

01:14:34.600 I agree.

01:14:35.200 Well said.

01:14:35.860 Period.

01:14:36.200 I mean, that's what we're trying to do here, right?

01:14:37.500 Have these real conversations.

01:14:38.680 Real conversations, man.

01:14:39.780 You know, we were talking about this because we did an interview earlier today, and we

01:14:44.560 were talking about, you know, talking about the weather, talking about sports, all the

01:14:49.120 safe stuff.

01:14:50.040 Safe.

01:14:50.500 But you don't talk about spirituality.

01:14:52.740 Fuck that.

01:14:53.080 You don't talk about race.

01:14:54.280 Fuck that.

01:14:54.600 Or sexual orientation.

01:14:55.940 You'll get blasted.

01:14:56.880 Yeah.

01:14:57.100 Dude, I was on motherfucking Fox News.

01:15:00.040 Black guy on Fox fucking news.

01:15:02.280 Okay?

01:15:02.940 That's bad.

01:15:04.200 That's fucking real bad, dude.

01:15:05.640 I fucking, I might as well be a sellout black guy now.

01:15:08.880 What the fuck?

01:15:09.700 I'm out there trying to fucking promote my book, give a positive message.

01:15:13.840 I don't give a fuck about Democrat, Republican, Independent.

01:15:17.640 I'm a fucking American.

01:15:19.620 Everything has to be so packaged.

01:15:22.180 We are so ignorant in this world of how we view things.

01:15:25.520 Everything has to be, like you said, safe.

01:15:28.300 Not only safe, but predictable.

01:15:30.220 Yes.

01:15:30.680 You as a black man, you have to be a Democrat.

01:15:33.180 Have to be.

01:15:34.020 Have to be.

01:15:34.520 I have to be a Republican.

01:15:35.720 That's right.

01:15:36.300 Right?

01:15:36.620 I'm glad we're saying this shit because it's true shit.

01:15:38.600 Right.

01:15:39.260 If I walk into most black areas, and let's say I'm not a fucking Republican.

01:15:43.360 I'm not shit.

01:15:43.980 I'm Goggins.

01:15:45.000 But let's say I am a Republican.

01:15:47.180 That's fucked up for me.

01:15:48.480 Yeah.

01:15:49.080 I'm on the wrong side right now.

01:15:50.640 Right.

01:15:51.180 Right.

01:15:51.900 That's fucked up.

01:15:53.600 That kind of shackled mindset, we are shackling ourselves as all people.

01:15:59.040 Not just blacks, whites.

01:16:00.320 It's all of us are shackling ourselves just by that mere fact of just that.

01:16:04.440 It's true what you said, but we don't talk about that shit though.

01:16:07.120 Yeah.

01:16:07.560 No way.

01:16:08.040 But it's knowledge.

01:16:09.180 We know it's true.

01:16:10.760 Everybody knows it's true.

01:16:11.580 We know it's true, but we're not going to talk about that shit.

01:16:13.360 But that's why when you say things like this, that's why people are, I don't know about

01:16:17.220 relieved, but they're like, finally.

01:16:18.940 Yeah.

01:16:19.460 I'm relieved.

01:16:20.380 You said something.

01:16:21.500 I'm fucking relieved.

01:16:23.160 And so many people, like I see some of these people on TV, man, who say shit that is so

01:16:29.680 fucking innocent.

01:16:32.040 I'm not thin-skinned.

01:16:33.340 Mm-hmm.

01:16:33.960 I want you to say the shit you want to say.

01:16:36.100 Don't hide it.

01:16:37.240 If you have an issue with black America, why the issue, talk about it.

01:16:40.760 I want to hear about it.

01:16:42.000 If you say one thing that people take offense to, man, your fucking career's over.

01:16:49.580 Just because a motherfucker wasn't intelligent enough to know that I can't say this or whatever

01:16:53.820 because no one talks about anything, man.

01:16:55.820 Yeah.

01:16:56.160 It's just a bad society right now.

01:16:58.100 It makes me sick.

01:16:59.420 It makes me sick for all races, colors, genders.

01:17:01.980 Everybody's so fucking politically correct right now that nothing's getting fucking fixed.

01:17:06.380 Mm-hmm.

01:17:06.740 Nothing's getting fixed.

01:17:07.460 That's why I like talking to your white ass.

01:17:09.460 Yeah.

01:17:10.040 Yeah.

01:17:10.160 I'm a black motherfucker, and we're talking about some shit.

01:17:13.540 Yeah.

01:17:14.180 It's great.

01:17:15.060 Agreed, man.

01:17:15.660 And that's what's so powerful about this podcasting platform and the medium and just being able

01:17:19.500 to have real conversations.

01:17:20.660 Real conversations, man.

01:17:21.320 Sit down on the couch and have a conversation.

01:17:22.980 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 Judge me, motherfuckers.

01:17:24.080 Judge me.

01:17:24.840 Merry Christmas, man.

01:17:26.300 Merry Christmas.

01:17:26.940 Go back to your hole and hide.

01:17:29.060 Hide and be mad because you can't fucking take a conversation that's trying to help.

01:17:35.360 The conversation's going to help the situation.

01:17:37.820 Sure.

01:17:38.160 Because half of this shit's ignorance, man.

01:17:39.380 Like that guy about my book.

01:17:40.860 No one's going to buy your book, man.

01:17:42.660 Yeah.

01:17:42.840 I sold 600,000 fucking copies in seven fucking weeks and most of it to white people.

01:17:48.400 Come on, man.

01:17:50.240 That has to open your fucking mind that something I'm saying is resonating with a lot of people.

01:17:56.120 And I'm a black guy.

01:17:57.540 Yeah.

01:17:57.740 I'm a black guy from a small white fucking town.

01:18:02.500 Obviously, somebody out here in America, we're missing something here.

01:18:06.920 Right.

01:18:07.380 We're missing something.

01:18:08.360 I don't know the answer, but we're missing something.

01:18:10.000 So, I always sit back and I always look at all this fucking shit and I'm like, what the fuck's going on, man?

01:18:16.240 Yeah, there's a lot of hate, but whatever.

01:18:18.440 So, the other side of this, though, is when does the assertiveness become a problem, right?

01:18:24.260 It's because I imagine that people are very intimidated by you.

01:18:27.880 Right.

01:18:28.020 A lot of people are probably intimidated by you.

01:18:29.660 Very.

01:18:29.920 And so, the level of assertiveness and confidence that you have that I think people mistake for anger or potentially even arrogance turns them off to the message or turns them off to be able to have a conversation.

01:18:43.960 I know you dealt with that a little bit because you had some guys, I think, in a unit or a team that were upset because you were pushing too hard, right?

01:18:51.840 That's right.

01:18:52.080 And so, it's intimidating.

01:18:53.360 It's threatening to their existence, too.

01:18:54.880 Yeah, having the SEAL teams.

01:18:56.140 Right.

01:18:56.780 I like it.

01:18:57.720 It shows me who you are as a person.

01:19:00.700 If you can't sit in the room with me or anybody else and man or woman the fuck up, I don't need to talk to you.

01:19:08.660 Because why?

01:19:10.500 My life experience has taught me one thing.

01:19:13.400 David Goggins, you used to be a little fucking pussy.

01:19:16.880 And if you cannot man the fuck up now and talk about what's on your mind and push other men and other women to be better, if they don't want it, that's fine.

01:19:26.120 But for me, I know that you have more in there.

01:19:32.280 We are better people from people like me pushing you to a spot.

01:19:37.800 You have two choices.

01:19:39.020 To either hate me like a motherfucker.

01:19:41.020 Yeah.

01:19:41.220 Or to say, hmm, maybe there's something behind this fucking guy.

01:19:46.480 Yeah.

01:19:46.960 That's why I love telling where I came from.

01:19:49.760 If people were just to hear me talk now, I can see how you see I'm an arrogant, pompous, disgusting, fucked up human being.

01:19:58.600 Roger that.

01:19:59.040 If they don't see the other side of it.

01:20:00.320 You have to see my childhood.

01:20:02.660 You have to see where I come from.

01:20:05.820 You have to see how I talk about myself in the third person back then.

01:20:10.020 How I had to overcome that pussy that I used to be.

01:20:14.380 That lying, that insecure person.

01:20:16.920 To get here now, to now deal with real problems.

01:20:22.160 The person, so a lot of people who are in that bad spot, they can't handle me because they can't deal with real problems.

01:20:28.360 If you can't deal with real problems, you're going to definitely hate me.

01:20:32.400 Because how I became myself was dealing with my real problems.

01:20:37.320 Right.

01:20:37.680 And also now, when you deal with your real problems, you can now see other people's real problems.

01:20:42.760 I mean, what you're doing is you're saying, here, let me shed some light on some things that you know deep down you're already dealing with.

01:20:48.340 That's all I'm doing, man.

01:20:49.220 But you haven't been able to recognize.

01:20:50.160 And what people do, they get mad at me.

01:20:52.160 Right.

01:20:52.900 Because I just called you the fuck out.

01:20:55.400 Right.

01:20:55.680 And the reason why I'm able to call you the fuck out, because I know what you're fucking thinking, man.

01:20:59.820 Been there.

01:21:00.300 I've been there.

01:21:01.420 So I don't talk about anything that I don't know about.

01:21:04.820 I don't just start randomly just having conversations.

01:21:08.220 I'm talking the black and white thing to you right now.

01:21:10.540 Why?

01:21:11.340 I'm a black man that lived in white America and got called nigger more times than I can fucking count.

01:21:16.620 Spray painted nigger.

01:21:17.580 If anybody should hate white people forever, it's me.

01:21:22.180 It is me.

01:21:23.160 I got fucking spray painted nigger in my car.

01:21:25.020 I got in my fucking notebooks everywhere.

01:21:27.560 Everywhere in my life.

01:21:29.680 The Klan marched down the fucking street in the Fourth of July parade of where I lived in 1995.

01:21:36.720 I used to despise white people.

01:21:39.080 And it's that same fucking stupid ignorance that I had that drove me into a spot of not being successful, of being shackled by, wow.

01:21:49.800 And guess what?

01:21:50.380 You know what the funny thing about this shit is?

01:21:52.160 I've had a few people come to my rescue in my life.

01:21:55.600 All of them have been white.

01:21:57.640 White men.

01:21:59.100 All of them have been white men.

01:22:01.380 So if I'm not man enough to sit here as a black man and look at that shit, I'm not calling black men out.

01:22:08.740 I'm just saying so happened to be.

01:22:10.980 There's been three white men when I was in the lowest part of my life that said, you know what, man?

01:22:16.300 I see value in you.

01:22:19.100 And they said, I'm going to help you out.

01:22:21.480 Who are those people?

01:22:22.700 One guy's name is Steve Wazowski, Navy SEAL.

01:22:26.520 Another guy's name is Scott Guerin.

01:22:28.960 Scott Guerin was Air Force pararescuement back in the day that I was like fucking 16 years old, 14, 15 years old.

01:22:37.440 I was in PJOC.

01:22:38.440 I was in high school.

01:22:39.360 And I only met him for like two weeks pretty much.

01:22:42.520 And it's in my book.

01:22:43.840 It's actually in my audio book.

01:22:44.880 Yeah, I think you talked about this, right, yeah.

01:22:45.560 And I searched this guy.

01:22:47.180 I literally called him up, $500 fucking phone bill.

01:22:50.760 $500 phone bill, man.

01:22:52.480 Trying to search this guy out, man.

01:22:54.720 Literally in seeking this guy out.

01:22:56.480 But he knew me for one week.

01:22:58.860 Couldn't even really remember me.

01:23:01.040 And I said, hey, man, can I come stay with you, man?

01:23:05.400 Guy didn't know who the fuck I was.

01:23:06.900 Really?

01:23:08.180 I flew out to Key West and stayed with him for two weeks.

01:23:11.180 But, you know, it's just those kind of situations right there that I can count on one hand.

01:23:16.560 And there's good people out there in the world, man, of all colors.

01:23:20.040 And we have to open our minds up to all this shit, man.

01:23:23.660 We have to.

01:23:24.840 Yeah.

01:23:25.120 It's important.

01:23:25.940 Well, and it's powerful.

01:23:26.960 What opportunities and conversations and opportunities for growth are you missing when you close yourself off that way?

01:23:33.700 Huge.

01:23:33.980 Huge.

01:23:34.320 And I closed myself off my junior year completely.

01:23:37.620 So you have to be honest with yourself, dude.

01:23:39.980 You have to be honest with yourself with all this shit.

01:23:41.780 All the hate you feel for another person or hate you feel for yourself.

01:23:45.820 Once you accept all that shit and you know, hey, man, this fucking shit is fucking toxic.

01:23:50.580 It's fucking toxic.

01:23:52.280 And you're not going to get any growth from it.

01:23:54.880 All you do is become more and more ignorant.

01:23:57.640 And trust me, man, you fall down a rabbit hole of being so fucking stupid, you can't ever climb out of it.

01:24:04.780 That's what it's about.

01:24:06.120 That's what it's about, man.

01:24:06.900 Call yourself out for what you are, for whatever you're going through in life.

01:24:11.360 Bring it to the surface and fix those fucking issues, man.

01:24:14.200 And I challenge people to do that.

01:24:16.980 So people.

01:24:18.100 Right.

01:24:18.640 People.

01:24:19.600 Everybody.

01:24:20.320 Everybody to do that.

01:24:21.900 You know?

01:24:22.440 One of the things that I liked a lot about what you'd said, and I think this was towards the end of the book,

01:24:26.200 is you talk about being, you're going to have to correct me if I butcher the term, but peaceful but never satisfied.

01:24:31.120 Right.

01:24:31.300 I think that's a good place to kind of wind this down a little bit because I think there's a lot of guys who haven't been able to find the right blend of that.

01:24:41.620 Right?

01:24:42.160 They're either content and satisfied so much that they aren't willing to push.

01:24:45.980 Right.

01:24:46.160 Or they're pushing so hard for something and they can never be satisfied or happy with what they've achieved so far.

01:24:53.680 Right.

01:24:54.120 How does a man find that?

01:24:55.720 So for me, how I found peace was through my story, going back through my life, seeing where I came from and where I'm at now.

01:25:03.580 Seeing that journey.

01:25:04.820 But the thing about it is you have to see the journey.

01:25:06.960 First of all, you have to start your journey.

01:25:08.800 And many of us think because we're born into this world that we have started our journey.

01:25:14.080 No.

01:25:15.140 That's not it, man.

01:25:16.440 That's not it.

01:25:17.020 It's not that simple.

01:25:17.740 I wish it was that simple.

01:25:19.280 Many people have died and lived to be 100 fucking years old and never started their journey.

01:25:26.220 That journey starts when you start to meet yourself at that battle.

01:25:30.540 You start to battle yourself and start to break down those walls that you and society start to build in your own mind.

01:25:38.420 Once you start to break down those walls, you've now started your journey.

01:25:41.440 Your journey has to be hard at first.

01:25:44.100 To get through the other side to find peace.

01:25:46.360 But what happens to a lot of us is, even happened to me, I had to become sick.

01:25:50.980 God made me sick.

01:25:52.360 And I couldn't run.

01:25:53.320 I couldn't push anymore.

01:25:55.080 So I had a lot of time to think about my life.

01:25:57.480 I never reflected back.

01:25:58.760 Through reflection is where you find peace.

01:26:01.180 I never reflected back on that shit.

01:26:02.960 I never reflected back on where I came from and where I'm at now and all the things I overcame.

01:26:08.060 You have to slow your life down enough to respect what you've done for yourself.

01:26:12.820 All the things you've overcome.

01:26:14.500 So to find peace, you need reflection.

01:26:17.760 You need a lot of reflection to go back through and respect the journey.

01:26:22.100 So through there, you find your peace.

01:26:24.780 Now, to go back to the suffering part of life after you find peace, it's important because why?

01:26:32.420 You can't ever think that you've arrived.

01:26:34.420 There must always be growth.

01:26:36.460 Like right now, I'm talking about the black and white issue, gay and lesbian, whatever the fuck you're dealing with issue.

01:26:41.980 There's so much growth in that.

01:26:43.540 There's so much growth in going back to school, going back to get more education, learning another culture.

01:26:49.620 It's just about constantly immersing yourself in something that you're just not comfortable with.

01:26:56.240 It's not about running a lot of miles.

01:26:59.120 It's not about, you know, going back to these hard fucking like crucibles of like doing all these different challenges.

01:27:05.980 Physically, a lot of the hardest challenges in the world are mental challenges of trying to be a better person.

01:27:12.480 Like, for instance, man, I talked to this guy the other day, man, just to bring up another race issue.

01:27:16.440 He's like, hey, man, like, I got to be honest with you, man.

01:27:18.200 Like, I was born hating black people.

01:27:21.620 He goes, hey, he goes, are you able to take this conversation?

01:27:24.660 I go, yeah.

01:27:25.160 What's up, man?

01:27:26.440 He goes, you're my mentor.

01:27:28.300 And I have to tell you this, man, because, you know, I grew up calling black people nigger.

01:27:34.000 And he looked at me, he goes, I hope that you don't hate me now.

01:27:36.480 I go, you know how much fucking courage it took for you?

01:27:38.760 I go, motherfucker, I respect you more now than fucking ever.

01:27:41.920 I don't even know who the fuck you are, but now I respect you.

01:27:44.420 Yeah.

01:27:44.640 Because if you walk up to me and tell me this, that I'm your mentor, and then almost start crying to me, because for 30 years of your life, you made black jokes, called black people out of their fucking name, called them nigger.

01:27:58.320 Now you're talking to a black man who was called nigger more times than I can count.

01:28:02.440 You're telling me that, please don't hate me now.

01:28:06.360 You are now my mentor.

01:28:08.500 That's growth.

01:28:09.920 That's the suffering.

01:28:11.620 That's part of, you know, maturing in life that I'm talking about.

01:28:16.200 So that's the going back and trying to always fix yourself.

01:28:20.180 You're not always fixed.

01:28:22.440 Through finding peace, you're proud of yourself.

01:28:25.460 It doesn't mean that you're totally fixed and you're all good and everything is great and now I've arrived and I can be comfortable.

01:28:32.800 No, man.

01:28:33.280 It means that you're proud of yourself.

01:28:36.140 But in being proud of yourself, take that time to say, okay, man, but I'm still fucked up in a lot of fucking areas.

01:28:42.280 And that's that going back and constantly going back through that and fixing yourself.

01:28:47.360 Yeah.

01:28:47.700 So what's next for you then?

01:28:49.160 And I know you've always got something going on.

01:28:50.720 You're talking about the race that you're going to do again.

01:28:52.680 I mean, what else?

01:28:53.560 What else can we expect from you?

01:28:54.660 Honestly, right now is getting back to the start line of that race.

01:28:58.320 Going back to Badwater, trying to get out there to that race again.

01:29:02.220 That was the last 100 miler or over I've done.

01:29:04.920 Now it's 2014.

01:29:06.420 Right.

01:29:06.940 That means a lot to me.

01:29:08.040 I don't want my ultra running career to end on a note of me saying, hey, man, my health got the best of me.

01:29:14.100 Honestly, just trying to better myself every day, man.

01:29:16.960 That's the big thing for me.

01:29:18.600 And I'm lucky at 44, whatever comes to my mind, I do.

01:29:23.660 So I don't have anything that I regret.

01:29:27.160 I'm not sitting there at 44 saying, man, I wish I did that, man.

01:29:30.280 Fuck, I should have done.

01:29:30.880 No.

01:29:31.640 I'm at 44 now thinking, man, all right, man, what the fuck am I going to do?

01:29:35.820 Like right now, I'm going to be getting into fighting a little bit more, jiu-jitsu.

01:29:39.240 Oh, is that right?

01:29:39.980 Yep.

01:29:40.240 I'm going to be getting into that a little bit more.

01:29:41.860 I promised Joe Rogan.

01:29:43.560 I'll start dabbling on that a little bit.

01:29:45.160 So I'm going to be dabbling on that.

01:29:47.000 I have the right mentality, right mindset.

01:29:48.680 I've been fighting for years.

01:29:50.540 I don't know karate, but I know crazy, as Jayden Brown said.

01:29:53.660 I have a good mentality, a good hard mentality, but I need to learn some technique.

01:29:56.860 Sure.

01:29:57.380 I'm going to dive into that.

01:29:58.580 You're going to join the hunting community anytime soon?

01:30:01.220 Definitely.

01:30:01.580 That's another thing.

01:30:02.340 I saw you shooting the bow with Cameron.

01:30:03.820 Yeah.

01:30:04.060 So I love the bow.

01:30:06.180 I actually took on to that pretty nicely.

01:30:08.020 Yeah.

01:30:08.460 Me and him, you know, we'll get out and we'll, you know, we'll attack that, but I will definitely

01:30:12.780 dabble into that.

01:30:13.960 Just continue spreading the message.

01:30:15.240 If anyone wants to listen to it, you know, I won't be doing it a lot, but you know, I

01:30:19.800 pick my moments where I'll talk my bullshit and I'll go back into hiding and people get

01:30:24.320 tired of hearing my little raspy fucked up voice and I'll go back into hiding, man.

01:30:27.560 Do what I do, man.

01:30:28.480 Yeah.

01:30:29.060 Yeah.

01:30:29.560 That's awesome.

01:30:30.120 Well, as we wind down, let me ask you a question I prepped you for a little bit.

01:30:33.000 And that question is, what does it mean to be a man?

01:30:35.100 It means everything to me.

01:30:37.220 It means everything to me.

01:30:38.460 It is the ultimate in sacrifice.

01:30:40.940 What I believe it means to be a man.

01:30:42.240 I believe it means to be, it's that motherfucker who people shouldn't understand.

01:30:49.400 It's that guy that literally puts everything before himself, everything before himself, family,

01:30:56.100 response.

01:30:56.720 Literally, you are, you're the foundation.

01:31:00.100 Which is why I talk about, you have to make sure that you're ready to be a man and have

01:31:06.600 a family and take on these responsibilities of life because you literally have to shoulder

01:31:11.740 so much of the suffering.

01:31:13.880 You don't want to see your wife suffer.

01:31:15.860 You don't want to see your kids suffer.

01:31:17.160 Yeah.

01:31:17.300 There's a point with kids.

01:31:18.640 Kids have to learn a little bit of suffering.

01:31:20.720 It's important.

01:31:21.620 But you want to make sure you have the answers.

01:31:23.940 If you don't have the answers, you make sure that you know how to get the answers.

01:31:27.160 You want to make sure that you have the money.

01:31:28.320 You want to make sure that you don't put your family in a situation that they're in dire

01:31:32.780 straits or you make these fucked up moves.

01:31:35.100 And so it's the biggest responsibility in the fucking world.

01:31:39.040 It is the biggest responsibility in the fucking world, which is why I'm always talking about

01:31:43.940 be uncomfortable.

01:31:46.160 Do something that sucks every day because you're constantly trying to sharpen that sword as

01:31:50.760 a man.

01:31:51.220 And the sword is your fucking brain because you have to shoulder more than your share of

01:31:56.420 the fucking task.

01:31:57.840 A hundred percent and then some.

01:31:59.660 All the time.

01:32:01.160 What it means to be a man, it means everything.

01:32:03.180 It means not sleeping sometimes.

01:32:06.160 It means fucking sometimes, you know, you go without to make sure that your family goes

01:32:10.080 forward.

01:32:11.100 And if not your family, maybe you're in combat.

01:32:13.400 Maybe you're in a situation.

01:32:14.140 You have to always make sure that you're doing for others before you do for yourself.

01:32:18.740 But to do that, you got to make sure you are a hard motherfucker because only a hard

01:32:25.100 motherfucker can do that.

01:32:26.060 Only a hard motherfucker can be in a situation that says, hey, man, I'm at ranger school right

01:32:29.680 now.

01:32:29.940 We're all fucking hungry as shit.

01:32:31.680 And we're all men out here.

01:32:33.900 But guess what, brother?

01:32:35.020 Take that, man.

01:32:35.780 You look like you need it more than me.

01:32:37.320 And you're starving.

01:32:38.040 Your stomach's fucking inside out.

01:32:39.200 You lost 56 pounds and you're dying inside.

01:32:43.000 But a man looks at another motherfucker and says, hey, man, fucking take that, brother.

01:32:47.000 So a man, in other words, is a fucking leader.

01:32:49.680 A man's a leader.

01:32:51.300 So, and that is the fucking hardest thing.

01:32:53.100 And a leader is a motherfucker, man.

01:32:55.020 It's a, you're oftentimes unhappy.

01:32:59.540 People don't like you.

01:33:01.140 People fucking hate you.

01:33:02.980 People do not understand you.

01:33:04.540 But you always have to make a fucking the best decision.

01:33:08.640 And that takes a lot of balls.

01:33:10.420 It's powerful.

01:33:11.820 Powerful.

01:33:12.760 Well, I think everybody listening probably knows how to somewhat connect with you.

01:33:16.060 But remind us anyways.

01:33:17.180 How do we connect with you?

01:33:18.180 Pick up a copy of the book.

01:33:19.220 Find out what you're doing, at least until you go into hiding again.

01:33:21.740 And then we'll catch up with you when you come back out, I guess.

01:33:23.940 So all my social media shit, it's like at David Goggins.

01:33:27.280 And also my book, it says it's self-published.

01:33:29.500 It's Amazon.

01:33:30.740 Go to Amazon for the book.

01:33:32.060 Audible has the audio book.

01:33:33.360 The audio book, just by the way, if you guys don't already know, is amazing because it's

01:33:37.800 the book, but then it's an interview slash podcast.

01:33:41.100 It's got a bunch of extras.

01:33:42.360 So really, really cool.

01:33:43.280 I listened to that while I was running a lot.

01:33:45.820 So very cool.

01:33:46.760 And also for the audio book, it's the first time that's ever been done.

01:33:49.880 So if I didn't self-publish, so also be your own creator.

01:33:53.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:54.680 Because if I didn't self-publish and I went with the fucking publishing house, they would

01:33:57.580 have never.

01:33:58.260 That option would not have been on the table.

01:33:59.600 You're going to read this fucking book and that's it.

01:34:02.040 Right.

01:34:02.300 So, you know, make sure you put yourself in a situation where you can kind of own your

01:34:05.820 own life, own your own creativity and have your own life and be who you need to be.

01:34:10.300 So yeah, David Goggins, at David Goggins for Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and my audio

01:34:15.840 book and my book is, audio book said Audible and my book is on Amazon.

01:34:20.740 Right on.

01:34:21.520 We'll connect it all up so the guys have it.

01:34:23.080 I just, I want to let you know, man, what an honor it is to come up here and talk with

01:34:26.200 you.

01:34:26.440 You've inspired me, you've motivated me, you've called me out indirectly on some of my own

01:34:31.020 bullshit, which has helped me be a better man.

01:34:33.500 So I want to let you know, I appreciate you and all that you've done in your life because

01:34:36.540 it's inspired me to be better in mine.

01:34:38.000 That's humbling to me, man.

01:34:38.900 I appreciate that.

01:34:39.560 Thank you for being honest like that, bro.

01:34:41.060 Thank you.

01:34:41.640 Right on.

01:34:43.960 Gentlemen, there it is.

01:34:45.280 What did I tell you?

01:34:46.340 So, so powerful.

01:34:47.840 I wish that you guys could be in the room with me when I was sitting down face to face

01:34:51.960 with David, having this conversation and looking into the man's eyes and absorbing what he had

01:34:57.800 to say and what he's gone through and what he's experienced.

01:35:00.160 I would highly encourage you if you're not already to go out and follow David on Instagram,

01:35:05.020 Twitter, Facebook, wherever you're doing the thing, pick up a copy of his book.

01:35:08.980 I've got the physical copy of the book, which of course I recommend, but I've also got the

01:35:13.220 audio version and inside of the audio version, we talked about it a little bit in the

01:35:17.320 podcast, but it's not only a reading of the book, but it's kind of a podcast built into

01:35:23.060 the audio book.

01:35:23.740 It's, it's actually pretty cool.

01:35:26.080 And I think you guys will really like it because it gives some new insights into maybe some

01:35:29.720 things we didn't cover today and some things that aren't covered in the book.

01:35:32.220 So go out and do that.

01:35:33.940 Let David know what you thought about the conversation and connect with him.

01:35:36.860 Of course, connect with me at Ryan Mickler, M-I-C-H-L-E-R on Instagram and Twitter at

01:35:42.400 order of man on Facebook.

01:35:43.640 And then of course we've got the Facebook group.

01:35:45.300 Uh, it's an honor guys to be able to bring these types of conversations to you.

01:35:48.980 It's my, it's my goal and my aspiration and my hope that the conversations that we have

01:35:55.080 been bringing to you are, are serving you.

01:35:57.280 They're helping you be better fathers, husbands, business owners, community leaders, and every

01:36:02.200 other facet of life.

01:36:03.020 So if they are, I would just ask very quickly, do me a favor, just, just do me a very quick

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01:36:08.860 Leave us a rating and review.

01:36:09.980 I mean, this goes such a long way in promoting the visibility of the show and getting the message

01:36:13.880 of reclaiming and restoring what it means to be a man into the hands of those men who,

01:36:19.320 who need it.

01:36:20.080 So please again, leave a iTunes rating and review and make sure you share this show because

01:36:25.520 I know your, your fathers, your brothers, your cousins, your colleagues, your coworkers

01:36:29.520 are going to be inspired the same way that hopefully you've been inspired today.

01:36:33.260 So there it is guys, get after it.

01:36:34.940 Hope all's going well for you guys.

01:36:36.300 Honored to be able to bring these types of powerful conversations to you.

01:36:39.060 Go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:36:43.720 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:36:46.660 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

01:36:50.700 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

01:36:53.820 And I'll see you next time.

01:36:57.620 You're ready to join the order of man.

01:37:00.260 And I'll see you next time.

01:37:01.040 You're ready to join it.

01:37:01.380 Peace out.

01:37:02.420 You're ready to join the order of man.

01:37:04.040 Peace out.

01:37:13.100 You're ready to join the order of man.

01:37:17.360 You're ready to join the order of man.

01:37:18.460 I'm ready to join the order of man.

01:37:19.380 I'm ready to join the order of man or he's going to join the order of man.

01:37:21.280 Given the order of hit that mark I am going to join the order of man.

01:37:22.420 I make the order of man 6 and 9 a year.

01:37:22.720 All right, thanks for what you've been there.

Order of Man - January 22, 2019

DAVID GOGGINS ｜ Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds

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