DEWAYNE NOEL ｜ Timeless Wisdom in Disturbing Times
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1 hour and 2 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of the Order of Man Podcast and Movement, Ryan Michler sits down with Dwayne Noel, the founder of Dry Creek Wrangler school, to talk about the power of genuineness, building yourself into a person you like, not hate, why the right to be wrong is so powerful and liberating, dealing with insecurities, operating in reality, and other timeless wisdom in disturbing times.
Transcript
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It's been said that there isn't a whole lot of new information under the sun, just new
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Now, I don't know if that's necessarily true, but one thing I know for certain is that my
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guest today shares some of the most practical and life-transforming messages out there,
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and he does it in a way that cuts through the noise and nonsense of modern times.
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His name is Dwayne Noel, and he is the founder of Dry Creek Wrangler School.
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Today, Dwayne and I talk about the power of genuineness, building yourself into a person
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you like, not hate, why the right to be wrong is so powerful and liberating, dealing with
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insecurities, operating in reality, the concept of what he calls cowboy energy and other timeless
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You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
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This is who you will become at the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you
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All right, guys, let's get into the conversation today.
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This is a man I recently came across on social media.
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Uh, and I can tell you, I immediately resonated with his timeless wisdom and short punchy messages
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that have gone extremely, extremely viral in a very short amount of time.
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Uh, he has been living what he calls the horse life for 25 years.
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He's the founder of dry Creek Wrangler school, but what you may recognize him for is what millions
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It's his no nonsense, common sense commentary and approach to life.
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And I think the reason that he's gone viral is in large part to the void of patriarchs
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And I, I think you're going to see what I mean.
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It's so great to see you and finally be able to connect with you kind of face to face.
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I know this is kind of a weird setting, but a little better than just seeing you on the
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You said this is the, uh, the first podcast that you've been a guest on.
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I just started my own and, uh, and so it's definitely, everything's a learning experience
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So how do you feel about your, uh, your, we'll call it maybe new, newfound notoriety or, or
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I just, it doesn't seem, uh, it doesn't seem real.
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It, uh, it's pretty, it wasn't something I set out to do.
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It wasn't something I expected and, uh, and now it's still something that's a little hard
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Did you, did you post something and something went viral?
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I've listened to a lot of your podcasts and your talks and your short videos on Instagram,
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but was there, was there a catalyst for this, a certain message or video that just went
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And I started out, um, just, uh, I, I was training horses and, uh, all my kids had left
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home and, uh, and I have worked in wrangling industry for a lot of years and I started exploring
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And I just wanted to, um, make just a few little simple videos on YouTube of just practical
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for young people wanting to go into wrangling, um, horses and, uh, just, just some practical
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And then I also kind of wanted to leave something for my grandkids when I was gone, they could
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get on and say, Hey, you know, there's grandpa.
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And, uh, and my wife and I, we talked when it started and I said, well, you know, if we
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wind up here in five or six years, if I've got 2000 people.
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You know, that's wasn't, wasn't expecting anything.
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And then, uh, and, you know, and they told me now, if you want this thing to do right,
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you've got to keep content pretty regular, you know, you've got to put content up and,
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And, and so there came a point where it's like, I wouldn't where the horses were.
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So, well, let's just, we're making breakfast on the campfire this morning.
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That's one of my, that's one of my most watched videos.
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It just, we, I just wasn't expecting that either.
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And then we, and we got to a point, somebody said, my buddy, my wife and my best friend,
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they kept saying, man, you need to do a cigar video.
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And I said, nobody wants to watch me do a cigar video.
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And so I didn't do it for weeks, but finally one day I was like, well, I need to put something
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And, uh, and so that kind of built things up a little bit.
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And then one day I just, uh, I don't remember which video it was.
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Um, I think, I think it was, uh, I might've been like, just get off the interstate or where
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I had come back from the mountains with my boys and, and talked about how it just kind
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of everything kind of balanced body, soul, and spirit up there.
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One of those right in there, it just kind of exploded.
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And, uh, so I got, you know, folks started writing in and asking questions and, and then
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I answered a couple of them and, and then just went a whole different direction.
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And with all due respect, a lot of the things that you share, I think, I think most people
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would place them in the, especially the people that listen to this podcast and listen to you
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would place your wisdom and timeless wisdom in the common sense category.
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And yet there's, there's a reason that it resonates with people there.
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There's something that you're either saying it or the way that you're saying it or the
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way that you're presenting it, that makes it very compelling to, I imagine most of your
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And, and I'm curious as to, to know why you think that is why a message that frankly has
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been shared, but why is it the way you're saying it, what you're saying is resonating
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Um, I, I have seven children and three of them are, I have three grown sons and four daughters
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and I'm, um, I'm a seventh generation of my family born in raised there in Kentucky, just
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And I, I guess there's just a S a simplicity and a common sense from the background.
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You know, there's not a lot of fluff, not a lot of, it's a good question.
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I, I, I guess it's just the way it, the way one of the things I believe very strongly and
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I, and I tell folks is your message is important, but the heart behind the message and the way
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you deliver that message, uh, is just as important.
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And, uh, I, you know, I've always had a heart for young people, especially young men.
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And my wife and I over many years have taken, you know, young men that are where we're at
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It's that, well, I mean, I already got seven kids, one more isn't going to hurt, you know,
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come on over and we'll, we'll fix you a pallet and you can stay here.
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So, you know, maybe folks can tell that, you know, I actually do care.
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And there's a lot of people out there that they just, they just want to know that somebody
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actually cares, you know, I'm not, I'm not selling books to make money and, and I didn't
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I just, you know, I thought there's some young people out there that just need a little bit
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And I just kind of had a heart to do it, you know, from, from my perspective, if I can share
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what I think, you know, there, there's a lot of genuineness in the way that you approach
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I also think that you have somewhat of a patriarchal presence about you, which I think is really
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lacking in society today, especially for young men.
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When you consider rates of divorce and you consider how many young men don't have either
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permanent father figures in the home or even a father figure type role model.
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And they're craving that they know deep down in every fiber of their DNA that they need a
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father to show them the way and they've never had it.
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I mean, I can't tell you how often I hear from guys who are, you know, 30, 40, even 50
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years old who are saying to me, Hey man, my dad was never around.
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And I, I'm a man by age, but I don't really feel like a man deep down in my soul because
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Um, you know, I get a lot of people on the channel and it's like, Hey, there's it's uncle
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Dwayne, man, he's stuff that we never got from family and, and, uh, just, and, and some,
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you know, some, I think some young men, uh, what they did get, maybe they got in a very
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And, uh, you know, I mean, you and I, we, we both, we were kids at one time and, uh,
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you know, somebody can tell you, Hey, you know, that's a, you're going down a bad road,
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but you, you starting to feel your oats, you know, and you're starting to feel like a man,
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you wanting to find your way and spread your wings.
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And, and sometimes if they, if they tell you good information, but they tell you in a very
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combative way or not combative, but maybe challenging way, uh, we won't listen.
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And, uh, and I, and I learned that when my boys were growing up, when my kids, my daughters,
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my boys were growing up, I wasn't near as laid back and easy going as I am now.
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Very patriarchal is the right word come from a very patriarchal family.
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And, uh, you just, you didn't question your dad or your granddad.
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And, uh, and I was pretty, um, strict and disciplinarian, you know, and so, and there's
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things, my boys and I, we, we have a good relationship today, but there's still things
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that we work on because of the things I taught them when they were growing up.
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Uh, I didn't teach them in a way that, um, was easy for them to, it wasn't always palpable,
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uh, palatable, you know, um, it wasn't always because they've got the same, they've got the
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Um, and, uh, so I, you know, I came at them the same way that my dad came at me or his dad
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came at him and they responded the same way, you know?
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Um, and, uh, so when I hit 50, I'm like, you know, it might be time to not, not recalibrate
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the message, but recalibrate the manner in which I'm delivering the message.
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Was there, was there a, uh, a catalyst for that?
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Was there a moment that you felt like, you know, maybe I, maybe I took something too far
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and they responded one way and that triggered that for you.
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Is it just a level of, of maturity at that point?
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And even now I'm realizing, oh, you know, maybe there's a better way to do this.
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I think it comes from the right place, but maybe there's a better way for me to lead my children.
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Um, there were a number of, I got to the point in life in that particular period, there were
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a number of things, um, and I won't go into them here, but it just, everything came to a
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And it was a culmination of a lot of years of a lot of anger, a lot of combativeness, um,
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And I got to the point one day that I'm like, you know what?
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You know, I'm, I'm a, I'm the kind of guy and, and then health issues, um, you know,
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My blood pressure was through the roof and, uh, I lay in bed one night next to my wife.
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She was sleeping and my heart started, um, going kind of crazy.
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And there was a, you know, and the whole left arm and everything.
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And I said, well, it looks like, it looks like it's all, it looks like it's all coming
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And, uh, and I, and I said, I'm not going to wake her up.
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I just, this is, this is going to put an end to all of the life of fight and anger and
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And, and, uh, so I'm just going to lay here and let it go.
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And I woke up the next morning and I was still here.
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And, uh, so I went to the doctor, I don't know, a couple of days later and they did EKGs
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and he come back and said, yeah, there was a, there was a heart incident.
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And, uh, and that was kind of just the final thing that made me say, I can't, I mean, at
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50, I can't live like this the rest of my life.
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And, and, uh, the problem is not the world around me.
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The problem is inside everywhere I go in the world.
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And so the only thing that's consistent everywhere I go is I'm there.
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So I had to start looking at me and saying, look, I need to change who I am because not
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only can I not continue to stay alive for another 20 years living like I have for the
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last 50 and it wasn't, you know, wasn't drugs and alcohol and stuff like that.
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It was just stress and frustration and anger and high blood pressure and just attacking
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the world, you know, I'm trying to get something done.
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So I need to start making some changes and I, I need to start changing me.
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Um, and when I, when I found, when I found that mellow spot that I didn't even know was
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there inside of me, um, I, uh, it is, there's been times my wife is, it, it worried her to
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And I'm like, man, I'm better than I have been in forever.
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It's like, I've got a mellow spot I found and I'm just enjoying it and, uh, and protecting
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And, uh, and so, you know, and that, that began, that began the journey right there, I
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You, uh, you did either a podcast or a video that I watched, uh, several days ago and you
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And one of the things that I hear you talking about now, or at least I'm interpreting it this
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Cause this is how I feel is that I've really had to learn to let things go that I would
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cling onto expectations of others, expectations about the way the world, you know, quote should
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And as I begin to let go of the expectations, I let go of the standards for other people.
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I find that mellow spot that you talk about as well.
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Is that, was that part of your journey or how did you get to this point where you begin
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to relax and let things go and not be so angry and bitter and contentious at the world and
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I came to, I, one of the, I don't know, there was a series of things.
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I came to the point that I'm like, you know what?
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Now, some folks are probably not going to understand this.
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I mean, as a human, as a man living in this crazy society, raising kids, being a husband
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and, and there is no, it's just not a perfect world.
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And so we, we make decisions, you know, we try to make the best decisions that we can.
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Um, but we don't always make the right decisions.
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And, and so I came to the point, I'm like, you know what?
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I'm just, I'm tired of letting others judgment of my wrong decisions, break me down.
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I have the right to be wrong sometimes, you know, that's, that's part of being human.
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Well, the natural follow-up to that is then you understand if you have any humility, if
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you have any honesty at all, then if I demand that they let me have the right to be wrong
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sometimes, then I have to be willing to let them have the right to be wrong sometimes too.
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You know, if, if I, if I am not going to let people hammer on me when I make a wrong decision,
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then I can't turn around and get frustrated and get angry and hammer on everybody around me.
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If they're not making the decisions that I think they should.
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And, uh, and there's a lot of freedom in that, you know, the old, the old saying, it's not my
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rodeo, not my bull, you know, not my circus, not my monkeys.
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And that's their life and it's their problem and it's their decisions.
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And, uh, you know, if they come to me for advice and they want some help, I'm happy to
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But other than that, you know, all I want is to be left alone.
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And so then, then, uh, I have to let them feel the same way and find their own way through.
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You know, I don't know if that answers, but that, that was a big part of it.
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It's like, look, I don't have to please everybody around me and everybody around me doesn't have
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And, uh, and I think if, if more of us can get to that point that I, I don't have to expect
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myself to please you and nor do I have to expect you to please me.
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When you talk about how you raised your kids, I'm sure that you got better at it over time
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about figuring out, you know, how to, how to communicate effectively with your children,
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Yes, I have, I have two sons and then I had my wife and I had four daughters and then
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So did, so they probably have seen your oldest has probably seen a different side of you than
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your youngest, especially growing up or, or what's that timeline look like?
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And then the follow-up question to that is, do your children now, any of them see them,
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see, see where you're at now and what you're sharing and, and have a hard time reconciling
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what they may have sought you as a father versus now this, this more timeless wisdom approach
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Uh, there definitely is out of the seven, three of them, let's see, three of them may watch
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the, the channel and listen, maybe three of them.
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You know, um, and, uh, and then the others, they're, they're just, and, and I understand
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it, you know, I understand a hundred percent and I support it.
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And they're just sitting back and watching and, and there's not, there's not a, there's
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I mean, it's like, there's not a, I don't have any, my children that are not speaking
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Um, but there is a, there is a caution because I had a very, um, I had a very quick temper,
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uh, when the kids were growing up and I was also very authoritative.
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And, uh, but I look back on it and 99% of it was insecurity.
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I had no idea how to raise kids and it was insecurity and it was fear.
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I looked around at all of my contemporaries, my, and I saw all the kids that went bad.
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And I grew up in a, in a very conservative and I'm, I'm not so much in that now, but I
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grew up in a, in a very, very conservative, uh, deeply, uh, religious background.
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Um, and, uh, and I saw so many, you know, the, the whole thing about preachers, kids,
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you know, missionaries, kids, and preachers, kids.
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And I saw so many of them go bad, you know, crash and burn.
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And, uh, and I was terrified of losing even one child.
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So, you know, I, I tell folks, and this isn't original, I don't know where I got it, but
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So, um, if you squeeze it, if you grip it too tight, it's going to slip out of your hands.
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And if you don't hold it tight enough, it's going to slip out of your hands.
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So I was very, very protective and not just protecting them from the world, but protecting
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them from themselves, you know, so, which made me very strict.
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And, uh, I was just, I was, I was a difficult, I guess I was, I was a difficult father, you
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know, to be, to be raised by, uh, it, it has its, I mean, it has its payoff.
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I wasn't like physically abusive or anything like that.
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Just, I wasn't a very calming man to be around, but my oldest son, uh, is a firefighter.
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My second son is a, is a, uh, a hunting guide and a packer in Idaho.
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My, the third child, my daughter is, is a, a mother of three and happily married.
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And my next daughter is, uh, she's very grounded.
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She's coming out to Wyoming to the school this summer to cook for us.
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And, uh, my next daughter is, is, uh, she works in a bank and she's going out with a,
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Uh, my next daughter is happily married and she has a baby.
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Uh, and then my youngest, my son, he's, he's cowboying and doing well.
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And so, you know, they all turned out well, I didn't, I didn't lose any of them, you know,
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and I, there's not a lot of people that I think that can say that they raised seven children
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in this society, in this day and age and didn't lose any.
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So, you know, there are regrets, but there's also positives about it.
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Um, and, uh, so, but anyhow, I'm sorry to, to return to your question.
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They, they are, there is some, some of them are still waiting to reconcile what they see
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now with what they were raised with and no, my, my youngest didn't have it any easier
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I, um, no, I think they all had it equally strict.
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Yeah, no, I think that's valuable because most of the men listening know that they want to
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And I appreciate you saying that it starts with us.
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If you, if we look around and everything around us is crappy, well, we're the, we're the common
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And I think most of the guys that, that, that too long and follow and are banded with us in
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One of the hardest things is realizing that even though you have the heart to change, not
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And even those that buy into it are going to come along the path with a lot of trepidation,
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very, very wary of whether or not this is lasting change.
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And unfortunately, in a lot of ways, we just don't have control over whether or not somebody
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And even if it does, it might take years, if not decades to reconcile the two.
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Well, Ryan, you know what the difference is for me right now?
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Well, I like me, I like me, I would buy me a cup of coffee.
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And you know, if a man gets to the point where he's like, I'm not the best man.
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Um, but I'm a good man and those who can't see it, it's okay.
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Uh, I'm doing what I'm doing because that this is who I want to be.
00:27:59.280
We, you, we have to get to the point where we like us.
00:28:05.280
And I don't mean that in a narcissistic, arrogant way, but I mean, you know, we, we, we look
00:28:12.040
at a, a picture, an idea of what a good man is or should be.
00:28:21.440
And then we looked and see if, if we're in that prism, if we're in that parameter and
00:28:35.640
Um, but all in all, by and large, I think I'm a pretty good feller and I can sit down
00:28:43.360
Like I said, have a cigar, have a pipe in peace and, and be happy with myself.
00:28:49.120
And if I can do that, uh, then if somebody comes along and they're not happy with me,
00:28:58.240
What are some things that you did in your life as you made this transition from somebody
00:29:02.520
who doesn't like yourself to becoming somebody who does like, and would have a cigar with
00:29:06.600
what are some, some things that you did in order to make yourself feel more confident
00:29:18.660
My biggest problem was a lack of peace, a lack of calmness.
00:29:23.420
And so, and, and I don't know if this goes fully a hundred percent to your question,
00:29:32.740
It's like, what is it that I don't like about myself?
00:29:45.380
And a lot of my problems at that time stemmed from that.
00:29:50.020
And so, well, then that's what I need to change.
00:29:54.880
Well, I get things out of my life that make me angry and combative that disturb my peace.
00:30:01.080
When we start school, like the first, we have the first orientation for the week and I sit
00:30:08.500
And I say, look, rule number one this week, guys.
00:30:10.940
And if you follow rule number one, uh, everything else will fall into place.
00:30:15.360
Rule number one is do not disturb Dwayne's calm.
00:30:21.700
So anybody, anything in my life or anybody in my life that was just constantly
00:30:28.820
ginning me up and disturbing my calm, I got rid of it.
00:30:35.580
And, uh, I just, I walked away, you know, people that I absolutely could not satisfy or
00:30:48.260
Just, just walked away, you know, and the things in life and, and my wife has been extremely
00:30:54.540
supportive and, uh, she'll, uh, cause it, you know, it's not one big thing.
00:30:59.800
Life is made up of a kajillion little tiny things.
00:31:05.820
We, and by the way, she and I, our marriage is, is, uh, man, it's a thousand times better
00:31:13.200
Um, but we'll go to town, you know, to run errands and do stuff.
00:31:19.040
And, uh, we'll go to Walmart to pick stuff up and she'll, you know, she'll tell me, she's
00:31:26.020
like, look, why don't you just sit here in the truck in the parking lot, have a cigar
00:31:30.380
and I'll go into Walmart, you know, because Walmart disturbs me.
00:31:42.540
And, uh, so, I mean, just little tiny things like that is like, no, just, just don't, you
00:31:47.240
know, that, that just, just the, what, what is it in life that keeps you ginned up?
00:31:57.320
And, uh, you know, some of it may be life circumstances.
00:32:02.620
Some of it may be people, uh, some of it may be dietary.
00:32:08.760
Um, and, uh, and it's a combination of all of it, but the biggest, I would say overall,
00:32:17.160
the biggest changes I made was to, to identify what it was that, um, that kept me.
00:32:27.320
Kept me in a state of unlikableness, if you will, and get rid of it.
00:32:37.400
You know, we, we know that there's things that are unhealthy or, or, or negative.
00:32:43.260
We, we, we actually keep those things in our lives because there's some sort of perceived
00:32:48.440
Like we would absolutely immediately get rid of them.
00:32:52.640
If there wasn't something we perceived to be gaining by those relationships or those
00:33:06.540
You know, many men I've, I've had my own struggles with alcohol and I've been verbal and vocal
00:33:16.480
I know I'm not productive and yet it's a pretty good little escape mechanism, at least temporarily.
00:33:31.480
And, and, uh, there's also like people in our life and, uh, it's like it, how will the
00:33:43.440
If I cut this family member off, if I, you know, how is that going to affect my standing
00:33:54.040
Um, and, uh, you know, if I, if I just cut somebody from my phone, you know, one of my
00:34:03.360
friends, uh, was someone who was a friend or I considered a friend or they considered a
00:34:08.460
friend, considered to be friend, but it was just negative all the time.
00:34:15.680
And it just kept me in a perpetual state of, uh, frustration and, and anxiety.
00:34:23.260
What's going to be the, what is going to be the effect on my relationship with others
00:34:44.900
You know, is, is what is what you're paying worth what you're getting?
00:34:50.200
Uh, and that sounds, that sounds kind of mercenary.
00:34:53.840
Um, but it's just survival, you know, uh, if it is what this relationship costing me,
00:35:01.500
is it worth, you know, and sometimes we go out of our way and we sacrifice in a relationship
00:35:08.360
to help somebody else, you know, who needs help, who wants help, who is accepting and,
00:35:14.900
and it's all costs on our side and that's okay.
00:35:18.940
But it's the people that we're paying to help who are not trying to help themselves, who
00:35:31.660
Um, I can't, we, we have to, and there's a balance, but we got to come to the place.
00:35:39.860
And I can't let you destroy my life because you refuse to live your life.
00:35:51.140
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I think that costs that cost analysis for, for lack of a better term is important.
00:37:14.340
You know, as you were saying that I was thinking about what somebody else might gain from
00:37:21.320
And it might be that they pride themselves on being helpful or charitable.
00:37:25.340
Like you mentioned, uh, it might be that they pride themselves on being, you know,
00:37:28.900
strong and tough and be able to work through these things.
00:37:31.260
And there's another one that I think is a real big issue, which there's something to
00:37:35.400
be said for it is they pride themselves on being loyal.
00:37:38.640
And so they'll, they'll be loyal to a classmate from high school.
00:37:44.060
They, they had a relationship with 20 years ago at the expense of everybody's wellbeing,
00:37:48.980
because they place loyalty above all of these other benefits of maybe not continuing that
00:37:58.600
Um, and I think where people misunderstand and where they go wrong is loyalty is the
00:38:06.340
And, and, you know, there may be some folks listening to this that they may have to chew
00:38:10.620
on this and contemplate this for a little bit, cause it's a different way of coming at
00:38:23.600
Um, there are those who don't, who will not see it that way and that's okay.
00:38:27.960
Um, but if I am loyal to, um, to a person and, and that person is not equally loyal to me,
00:38:47.520
I mean, you know, we've all had friends who've crashed and burned, who've hit a wall,
00:38:51.960
you know, and, uh, and there's loyalty during hard times.
00:38:56.360
I'm not saying that, but you talk about the friend from high school or something who's never
00:39:14.160
There's loyalty, but what are we actually being loyal to?
00:39:18.600
We're not being loyal to, to a friendship because a friendship takes two.
00:39:22.400
And if they've never returned their side of things, then there was never a friendship to
00:39:27.480
So you're being loyal to something that never actually existed.
00:39:33.000
You're almost talking about the relationship is this separate entity that you're being
00:39:37.840
loyal to like a relationship or, or the agreement, even if it's not clearly stated, the agreement
00:39:44.380
is that there's this friendship, there's you as a person.
00:39:47.220
And then there's this friendship and we need to be loyal to the relationship.
00:39:50.020
But if you quote unquote, breach that contract, so to speak, like then I'm being loyal to
00:39:59.380
That isn't, that isn't something I need to pledge my allegiance to.
00:40:03.200
Being loyal to a concept, you know, it's, it's like horses, you know, people will go out and
00:40:07.420
buy, they'll buy a horse cause they like the idea of a horse.
00:40:10.860
Um, you know, they grew up with posters on the wall and, and, uh, you know, and they'll,
00:40:17.840
they like the idea of a horse, but when they get a horse, uh, and they have to go out there
00:40:24.220
and clean the stalls every day and they have to feed the horse and they got to bust the
00:40:28.040
ice and the water trough in the wintertime and they got to pay for all the tack and pay
00:40:34.840
And, and then they go riding and the riding isn't like they thought it was going to be.
00:40:38.960
Um, they get out of horses because they liked the idea of horses.
00:40:45.920
They liked the dream of horses more than they liked the reality of horses and, uh, and the
00:40:58.220
So the idea of a horse was much more appealing than the reality of a horse.
00:41:04.240
Uh, and I think a lot of relationships are like that.
00:41:07.240
Um, the idea of the relationships, what we wish that relationship was is a lot more appealing
00:41:13.980
than the reality of what the relationship is, uh, friendships and such.
00:41:18.980
And so when we stay loyal, when there's nothing there, we're staying loyal to what we wish the
00:41:26.200
We're staying loyal to the, um, um, the idea of the friendship as opposed to the reality of
00:41:39.600
And, and all that does, all that does is tear us up inside, um, and takes pieces away from
00:41:47.240
us that we could give to somebody else who was, who is a value and who values us.
00:41:54.940
I watched one of your videos and you were talking about this.
00:41:58.060
Speaking of relationships, you were talking about how we want these relationships so bad.
00:42:02.480
And like you're saying now, the idea of the relationship that we make up this thing that
00:42:07.820
we want in our minds, and then we'll take a person, whether that's really who they are
00:42:13.020
or not, and we'll try to cram them into this, into this mold or into this picture that we've
00:42:19.360
And then we'll try to justify and make up all these stories about why that person is what
00:42:24.980
we thought we desired when the reality paints an entirely different story.
00:42:30.780
Um, and you know, I'm in the point now, and this is extremely liberating.
00:42:35.920
I mean, I'll be, well, I don't know, how old will I be in April?
00:42:43.360
Um, I've lived a very unusual, very full, very full life.
00:42:49.420
So my views on friendship now, uh, are it, you know, someone comes along a possible new
00:42:57.880
It's like, I've lived 56 years without this person.
00:43:03.980
You know, they, they did not get me where I am now.
00:43:07.300
Now, if they want to be friends, if they want, you know, even the Bible says, uh, a man that
00:43:15.560
And if a man wants to be a friend, he's going to have to behave as a friend.
00:43:24.820
And I don't need, I don't need someone's name in my contacts in my phone so that I can say,
00:43:38.340
If they're not going to behave as a friend, uh, then it's easy to just walk away.
00:43:44.180
I, I have gotten past the idea of friendship being bigger than the reality of friendship.
00:43:51.980
And, uh, there is a friend that's taken closer than a brother.
00:43:55.680
And, uh, if, if a friend isn't going to be at that level, then all they're going to do
00:44:01.060
And I don't mean cost me, you know, financially or anything, but they're just, they're going
00:44:06.680
And, uh, they're going to cost me my, my calmness and, and the place where I am now.
00:44:13.520
And it's just not, it's a contract and they got to pay their side.
00:44:21.260
Well, you, one of the things you've alluded to the school a couple of times now is, can
00:44:25.900
you talk to me about what, what the school is that is that for specifically horses and
00:44:31.760
horse wrangling, or is that, is that something else?
00:44:38.800
Um, so the school is classes are a week long and we provide all the housing and, uh, and
00:44:47.480
And so it's the base idea was young people and not so young people who wanted to actually
00:44:55.900
get back to that life, who wanted to learn, um, to wrangle, to pack, um, and, uh, you
00:45:04.900
know, to work the life actually as a living of in horses to come out and get a week's
00:45:13.660
Now we also have folks who, who are like, they call and they say, I don't want to go
00:45:18.660
into wrangling and I don't want to go into packing, but I do want to improve, uh, my
00:45:27.660
You know, I do want, and so they'll come out and, uh, spend a week at the school and
00:45:32.980
it's, it's not like, um, it's not a writing school.
00:45:37.460
It's not a, a school to come out and teach her.
00:45:41.760
It teaches the, um, the basic how horses think the relationship communication with horses.
00:45:51.880
Then there's a lot more to it than people think on saddles, bits and head stalls.
00:45:57.800
We deal with the dietary, what horses need, you know, to eat the feed, what's good and
00:46:02.500
what's not, um, what a horse owner needs to know about taking care of a horse's hooves and
00:46:09.520
Just the basic overview of horsemanship all around, um, from a practical.
00:46:15.700
I don't know philosophical is the right word, but from a practical philosophical, uh, point
00:46:23.260
And I, I've had a number of, of young men come through the school, uh, that came through
00:46:29.340
this last year and they're actually working in the industry.
00:46:34.340
So, yeah, I imagine that you, you would, if you haven't already, I imagine that you'll
00:46:40.280
probably get requests from individuals who aren't interested in lifestyle at all.
00:46:44.840
Maybe they don't even have a horse, but they can see it as you talked about more of the
00:46:48.280
philosophical side of life, but they can use it as a metaphor and a catalyst for change
00:46:53.220
in their lives, even though they may not be interested in this, uh, this wrangling type
00:46:59.480
We've had, this is our second year and we're relocating next month, uh, out to Wyoming.
00:47:05.680
We've been, this year we were in Tennessee and we're relocating to Wyoming at this.
00:47:10.340
So in 2022, we were in Tennessee and here in 2023, we're going to be out of Sheridan.
00:47:16.860
And so we have had families and we've had people contact, contact and say, look, um, we're not
00:47:27.180
Um, and we're definitely not wanting to go into the industry.
00:47:30.680
Um, but they've been watching, you know, the YouTube channel and stuff and it's like, you
00:47:36.080
know, can we, can we just come out for a week, you know, and just do, do some writing, but
00:47:44.060
we're not a dude ranch, you know, we are a school, but can we come out just, uh, you know,
00:47:49.260
just to absorb the, the different viewpoint on life or what, just to sit down and talk for
00:47:55.660
And so we are starting to get more requests, uh, of that sort.
00:48:00.780
And again, it's, that's not what we set out to do.
00:48:04.580
That's not what we saw our strong point or our, but you know, this whole thing's been
00:48:20.460
I know it has been for me over the years, thinking about what I wanted this to be when
00:48:25.020
we started versus what it is now is in the same vein, but a lot different than I anticipated
00:48:31.900
and imagined that it would be, but also being able to acknowledge what your strengths are
00:48:37.800
also acknowledging what people resonate with and how you're serving them.
00:48:42.560
Because ultimately a lot of people think that we individually get to determine what's
00:48:48.160
valuable to others, but we don't, they get to determine the consumer does, right.
00:48:53.800
And as long as it's an alignment with what we believe in, what we want to do in the kind
00:48:57.420
of life that we want to leave or live, uh, then, you know, we can use that as feedback
00:49:03.140
for what is going to be valuable to people and what's going to serve them well.
00:49:07.720
We, you know, we can't, we think we know what people need, but we don't, we don't really
00:49:13.400
know what people need, you know, but we have to be humble enough and we have to be wise
00:49:18.000
enough just as humans to when somebody determines that this is what they, they know what they
00:49:25.940
need, then we have to be, we have to have the wisdom to say, okay, but I can't provide
00:49:33.540
You need to, you need to find somebody who's more qualified, um, who's better prepared,
00:49:43.080
And, uh, because I can't, I can't provide that.
00:49:47.120
You talk about, uh, cowboy energy, you know, that we're kind of tiptoeing along that right
00:49:53.800
I, I grew up until I was about 13 years old in Southern California, zero cowboy energy.
00:49:59.740
Uh, I moved to a small, very rural town in Southern Utah, where I was introduced to ranching,
00:50:11.540
And I mean, there is, there is a definitive energy with the ranching and cowboy lifestyle.
00:50:19.500
So the last ranch I worked on actually cattle ranch was in Colorado a couple of years ago.
00:50:25.380
And, uh, that ranch had about a thousand head of cattle.
00:50:31.460
Um, and we, and then we joined in, in the summer with three or four other ranchers and
00:50:37.960
put all of our cattle up on grazing leases up in the mountains.
00:50:41.660
And so we had to move a lot of cattle periodically, uh, you know, maybe five to 800 head at a time.
00:50:50.060
And that's mama cows, uh, with the calves, the babies behind them through some pretty rough
00:50:59.060
If you're, if you're teachable, uh, that the best way to move cattle fast is to move them
00:51:04.660
slow, uh, to, to be calm because when you start pushing a herd of cattle, so the calves walk
00:51:15.000
So what you wind up with is you, the babies are in the back with the old cows.
00:51:20.060
So you've got a bunch of little calves and if you push too hard, if you try to push them
00:51:25.540
too hard, uh, they scatter, they bust up and scatter.
00:51:31.300
But if you come in and you push them easy and you push them at a calm rate, a calm pace,
00:51:37.080
they'll move away from you calmly and keep moving forward.
00:51:41.320
But if you come in with too much energy, then all you do is you bust up the herd and you,
00:51:46.720
you, the calves will, they'll break off and you're chasing calves and trying to bring them
00:51:52.200
Um, and, uh, your horse on horses, they get, they feed off of you.
00:52:00.340
So the rider, if you have a calm horse and you're a very nervous, energetic, spastic kind
00:52:08.040
of person, your horse will, will start coming up to your level.
00:52:12.020
But if you have a, a young, nervous, spastic horse, but you're a calm, experienced rider,
00:52:18.080
your horse will gather calmness from you and, and they'll start coming down to your level.
00:52:24.360
And so the energy, you know, the cowboy energy is working, working cattle at a, at a calm,
00:52:38.380
Whereas, you know, rodeo energy, everything's on the clock.
00:52:43.220
Um, and, uh, so there's no, there, there is no calmness there.
00:52:48.740
The cowboys aren't calm and the calves are not meant to be right.
00:52:51.820
No, uh, and so the energy, it's a calm, it's, it's just a calm, deliberate.
00:53:03.120
So when you get, when you get a, a herd quitter, uh, you'll get a, a, a little bit older calf
00:53:12.660
That's kind of finding its independence and, uh, it keeps wanting to, to split and bust off
00:53:20.720
And so when that's a herd quitter, that's what a herd quitter keeps quitting the herd.
00:53:25.660
And so you've got to be able to turn in and immediately punch up the energy and take off,
00:53:30.680
you know, and get in front of it and turn it and bring it back in.
00:53:34.480
But one of the things about that make the American quarter horse, the, well, that's a whole nother
00:53:42.400
deal, um, the, the real original American quarter horse that make them so uniquely qualified
00:53:50.440
as cow horses is they have an ability to, you can turn them and take off after a herd
00:53:57.760
quitter and they can punch their energy up, full up, run a dead gallop, get around that
00:54:05.060
But when you push that calf back into the herd, that horse has to go immediately calm again
00:54:11.760
They have to drop that energy right back down because if they don't, it'll transfer to the
00:54:17.640
herd and the herd will get nervous where you get some of your more hot blooded horses, some
00:54:22.200
of your more running breaded horses like thoroughbreds who love to run, born to run.
00:54:27.640
And so you take off after a calf and you give them the chance to run, they get that running
00:54:32.600
blood up. And then when you turn the calf back in the herd, they can't turn that running blood
00:54:37.120
back off. They can't go from rodeo energy back down to cowboy energy. And so life is you go through
00:54:43.060
life with cowboy energy. And then sometimes if you've got to turn a herd quitter back, then you turn on
00:54:48.820
that high end energy, you go get it and you come back and then you come back down and you calm back
00:54:54.840
down. Otherwise your energy is going to transfer to the herd being life and it's going to keep
00:55:03.220
Yeah, that's interesting because we all know people and we've all been those type of people
00:55:06.520
where it's just high energy, high stress, high, strong loves drama in our lives. And, and then
00:55:13.100
we have people in my life that, you know, they'll be yelling at their kids, for example, screaming at
00:55:18.200
the top of the lungs and the kid yells back and then they get upset that the kids yells back.
00:55:21.760
Like, well, where do you think they learned that from? And it, you know, we can't see it when
00:55:25.980
we're doing it, but it's very apparent when you're a casual observer of what's happening
00:55:32.740
Right. Well, if you take, so if you take a, you fill up a bathtub of water, all right. And
00:55:39.100
fill that bathtub of water and go down there and kneel beside that bathtub of water and
00:55:42.860
take your hand, raise it up in the air as high as you can, and then bring it down as fast
00:55:49.080
as hard as you can. And what's going to happen? You splash that water everywhere. Well, you're
00:55:55.400
not going to splash it. You're going to hit it and you're going to hurt your hand. It's like a
00:55:59.200
belly flop. It's going to be like concrete. Yeah. The faster you come down, you're going to hit that
00:56:03.860
and you're not going to penetrate into that water very well. Got it. Okay. Okay. But if you do the
00:56:09.920
exact same thing and you come down at half speed, half of that speed, you're going to go right in
00:56:16.480
the water. If you bring down at quarter speed, you're going to come in, you're going to go right
00:56:20.720
down and you can go down there and I don't know, grab that rubber deck here, whatever you're trying
00:56:25.140
to do, you know, but, but it's like, I don't know if, I don't know if you hunt at all. If you,
00:56:29.620
if you're into firearms and yeah. Okay. So you understand if we talk a little bit about ballistics,
00:56:35.940
I'm a big 45, 70 guy and that's, that's my caliber of choice. And in really, really tough game.
00:56:43.040
Now this is something that's debated all across and, but it's been my experience and I, and I've
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taken everything from grizzly to Alaska bull, moose, caribou on down. Got some experience here
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in game that is really tough, you know, like really tough game like moose or, or grizzly bear,
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a slower, heavier bullet will actually penetrate deeper, further than a smaller, super fast bullet.
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And a lot of times we keep hitting that bathtub of water and hurting our hand because we're
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hitting it so fast and so hard. And if we would just slow down, if we would just slow down and
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approach what we're trying to approach, but approach it calmly and at a slower pace and
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methodically, uh, we can penetrate a whole lot better, you know? And so, and that's part
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of where I've come to is, is just, it's like this channel, this YouTube channel, for example,
00:57:49.060
everybody, when I started, they're like, Dwayne, you got to do this. You know, you've got to edit
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this. You've got to have loud music and you got to come in here and you got to do that.
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And you, and I'm like, no, no, that ain't me. I don't think I'm going to do that.
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And now you, you've watched enough to know that it, everything's pretty calm, pretty laid
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back. There's not a bunch of music. There's not a bunch of editing. I'm not sitting there
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yelling at the camera and carrying on. And I approached it just slow and easy and it's
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just exploded and taken off. So when I slowed down in life and quit approaching everything
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with rodeo energy, then it's kind of gives life a chance to, to, uh, do what it's supposed to do
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without me busting that herd up all the time. I like that analogy of the ballistics as well,
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because you could also consider when you're going against tough game shot placement, right? Very
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precise, very accurate. You're not going to take a shotgun out there and take a moose. In fact,
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my son and I, just this last year, we were able to shoot a moose up here in Maine and, you know,
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you could get into caliber and, you know, should you shoot this or shoot that? And yeah, there's
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something to be said for that, but a lot of it, if you have a big enough caliber bullet, you know,
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it's all negligible, but really what it comes down to is, are you precise on your shot placement
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or are you taking this shotgun approach and hoping, you know, you hit something and it gets zero
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penetration whatsoever? Right. Right. So yeah. Buck fever, you know, you, you approach a buck fever and
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you're not calm and slow and, you know, aim, aim small and, uh, and it's perfect analogy. You're
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right. And it goes back to life. You know, if we approach a buck fever and we're not, we don't have
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a aim, you know, we don't have a goal. We're not specific. We're not precise. Then yeah, it,
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it's all, it's all a moot point after that. Yeah. Well, Dwayne, I've appreciated this conversation.
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And, uh, and I know the guys will as well. And of course I've watched tons of your videos and
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podcasts. Where can the guys go learn more about what you're doing, whether it's on Instagram or
00:59:55.580
YouTube or wherever you want to direct them. So they know where to go and to get more information
00:59:58.780
from you. We have the YouTube channel, dry Creek Wrangler school. We have a webpage and actual webpage
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that, uh, talks about the physical school itself, which is dry Creek wranglers.com. And then there is a,
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the podcast dry Creek wrangler. Oh, and, uh, and then there's so much of this stuff. It's hard
01:00:21.860
for me to keep up with. I'm like a canary drinking from a fire hydrant these days. Uh, and then there,
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there is, uh, an Instagram and I think that's dry Creek Dwayne. Um, and you, Oh, and I have a rumble
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for crying out loud. You got it all. Well, yeah, let's see. Rush Limbaugh died. So somebody has got
01:00:41.600
to become the King of all media now. So I figured that's right. That's you. Somebody's got to do it
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as might as well be you. Might as well. So the rumble is mostly just, you know, the stuff that
01:00:51.120
YouTube won't allow like guns and cigars and pipes and stuff like that. All the good, all the fun stuff,
01:00:55.760
all the good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. We'll sync it all up. Like I said, I've been following
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you for some time now and I'm honored that I could be the one to kick off your podcast appearances.
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I know there's probably going to be plenty more. Uh, and I'm, I'm a big fan. I'm a big supporter.
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Your message is crucial. So whatever I can do to help you to spread the message, to support you,
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to get the word out, I'm all about it. I really appreciate you taking some time today.
01:01:21.720
Well, I really appreciate it, man. I'm, I'm honored that you invited me on and let me come down here and
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flat my gums for a while. And, uh, and so I thank you for it. I do.
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All right, guys, there you go. My conversation with the one and only Dwayne Noel. I hope you enjoyed
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the conversation. I, I, I really did. Um, it, it was a special conversation,
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obviously a lot of practical wisdom, the way that he shares his messages just resonates so deeply
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with me and millions of other people. So if you haven't been following Dwayne, uh, please make sure
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