Order of Man - Disciplining Children, Dealing with ADHD⧸PTSD, and Overcoming Addiction

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.500 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:25.740 Kemp, what's up brother? Glad to be joining me again today.

00:00:29.000 It's good, man. It's a great day. Got my workout in. Leg day, I'll be sore tomorrow, but excited to do the podcast.

00:00:35.620 I'll be honest, man. I skipped my workout this morning.

00:00:38.920 Oh, snap.

00:00:39.740 But that's right. I can make up for this afternoon. I've actually been doing that lately.

00:00:42.740 What I've been doing is I'll do like three to four workouts per week in the morning,

00:00:47.620 and then in the afternoon, around two or three, I'll go out.

00:00:51.780 And fortunately, I've got a little gym, a little setup in my shop outside out back,

00:00:56.300 and I'll do two to three workouts. No, four workouts per week there. And then I'll usually

00:01:02.080 go for a run afterwards. So, I've been doing like three workouts a day, essentially.

00:01:06.740 That's awesome.

00:01:07.280 For like two months.

00:01:08.880 And it's been good, man. I've been seeing good results.

00:01:11.680 Yeah. See me, I'm disrupting the world because we all know that like Monday's international chest

00:01:18.140 day, right? For Mondays. And I'm tired of fighting for equipment. So, I do legs first.

00:01:23.260 Is that true? Is Monday – I don't know. Is Monday chest day?

00:01:26.240 Yeah. Monday is the international chest day. Everyone knows it. For whatever reason,

00:01:30.260 we all do chest.

00:01:30.800 I didn't know that.

00:01:31.880 Yeah.

00:01:32.320 Just get your own setup, man. That's what you got to do. Then you have to worry about.

00:01:36.520 Yeah. Well, here's the irony. I actually have a gym in my house, but my wife uses it to train

00:01:41.900 people. So, I get kicked to the curb.

00:01:44.520 You get booted on that. It's good and it's bad. Like, I mean, it's good that there's a gym right

00:01:51.580 outside my door. Like, I can literally walk 20 steps and be in the gym. That's good. But it's

00:01:58.000 also bad because there's not as much accountability there. Like, that's one of the reasons I like

00:02:02.620 CrossFit. And I know when I say that, there's going to be a bunch of people – CrossFit.

00:02:06.500 You know what, dude? Like, historically, CrossFit has been the only thing that's worked well for me

00:02:12.760 because there's competition, there's camaraderie, there's accountability. I don't have to think

00:02:19.180 about what kind of program to work. And so, it's – man, it's been really valuable for me. But so

00:02:25.140 is the strength stuff, which is what I do in the afternoon.

00:02:27.140 Yeah. Well, and you're not the only one, right? We hear that all the time. Like,

00:02:30.720 even in the Iron Council, one of the guys on Battle Team Echo, right, he was struggling with

00:02:35.820 getting his exercises in, signed up for CrossFit, not a problem.

00:02:39.800 Right. There's something to be said for that level of accountability. It's huge. And yeah,

00:02:43.820 there's – for sure.

00:02:44.720 People always say, oh, there's a risk of injury. Well, yeah. What's the greater risk that you're

00:02:48.880 going to get injured there working out or that you're going to live a miserable life because

00:02:53.520 you sit on the couch and eat bonbons and Cheetos, whatever you do on the couch and weigh 150 pounds

00:02:59.260 more than you probably should? Like, what's the greater risk there? It's always fascinating when

00:03:04.000 people say things like that. Totally. And everything's not in absolutes. Guess how you

00:03:07.320 don't get injured during CrossFit? Don't have shitty form. Right. Right. Look for a good

00:03:12.640 instructor, right, and do the right form. And don't listen to your body and do it right.

00:03:18.080 Absolutely. Yeah. Well, right on, man. I know we got a bunch of questions today. Let's – and we're

00:03:22.500 on a bit of a time constraint, I think, you and me today. So let's just jump right into it, man.

00:03:28.360 All right. I say jump right into it. We've been talking for five minutes, but you know what I mean.

00:03:32.320 Totally. All right. So let's – first question from Skylar Byrne. His question is around the

00:03:38.220 guidelines for spanking stepchildren. Is it appropriate? We're going right into the hard

00:03:45.400 stuff here. And I haven't even looked at these guidelines for spanking – well, I don't even

00:03:50.220 spank my own children. And I know there's people out there who do. I'm not adamantly opposed to

00:03:55.620 that. If somebody decides that spanking their children is the correct form of discipline for their

00:04:01.880 children, I don't think I would ever call like child protective services. And I know there's

00:04:06.980 people out there who would do that, which to me is crazy. It's your child. And within reason,

00:04:11.360 you have the right to be able to discipline the child the way you see fit. Dude, stepchildren,

00:04:17.200 that's a whole other game because you've got mama bear, right? She's going to get pissed if you don't

00:04:22.640 handle it correctly. Stepkids who are going to disrespect because you're quote unquote,

00:04:27.020 not their dad. Man, I think in this situation, you really have to get on board with mom and you guys

00:04:35.400 have to work it out and discuss and talk about it and see what works. Again, I go back. I don't

00:04:40.340 spank my children. I don't find it necessary. I've never had to deal with that. And my mom would spank

00:04:48.020 us. She used a wooden spoon. And so, I remember when I was like, I don't know, I must have been 10.

00:04:54.320 And she's like, I'm going to get the wooden spoon. I'm like, yeah, go ahead, mom. What's that going

00:04:57.780 to do? And from that day forward, she didn't ever hit me with a wooden spoon because she couldn't

00:05:01.720 hit me hard enough to actually make an impact. I would just laugh at her. But I've never had to

00:05:07.400 hit my kids. And there's other things that I can do, whether it's take away privileges or give them

00:05:13.560 extra work, or sometimes it's just having a stern discussion with them that has allowed them to toe

00:05:20.300 the line. Spanking has never been really something I've had to use or resort to. So, I say no. Maybe

00:05:28.720 somebody has a different opinion, but that's where I'm coming from.

00:05:32.000 Yeah. Yeah. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen the necessary or seen it necessary, right,

00:05:37.820 for our kids either. But I did have, and I don't remember who told me this, but they said

00:05:42.440 that if you are going to spank your kids, don't do it out of anger. Like you can't have

00:05:47.260 frustration and anger, right? It needs to be a calm, you need to be calm if you're going to be

00:05:52.520 doing it, right? That's a really good point. Yeah. And that's, that stepchildren thing makes

00:05:57.060 it difficult. Again, that's communication with, with, with your, with your wife. You know, it's,

00:06:04.080 you've got to figure out and get on the same page and have discussions. How are we going to

00:06:08.700 discipline the kids? What's appropriate? What isn't? That is a, that is an area where you need

00:06:13.020 to communicate directly with her. You guys get on the same page and then enforce that between

00:06:17.400 yourselves. Yeah. And there's going to be compromise there, man. I mean, I, first of all,

00:06:21.720 I hate the term stepchildren, but I have a step son. I don't call him a stepchild or anything.

00:06:27.060 Cause I, I just, he's my son, right? He's my son. Yeah. But, uh, to pretend that my wife doesn't

00:06:32.700 have kind of this special protective layer over him. It's just a different dynamic for sure.

00:06:39.600 It's tough. Yeah. It's super tough.

00:06:41.280 And you got to ease into that too. So cool. What's next, man?

00:06:44.540 Yeah. So we're going to go from, uh, spanking kids to, uh, religion. So Aaron Boone, uh, his

00:06:51.240 question is, it seems that the subject of God and his word is often left out in order of man. Why?

00:06:58.420 Uh, that's a good, that's a really good question. I get that question, not all the time, but quite

00:07:04.460 frequently. Uh, and the answer, I, I am spiritual. I believe in God. Um, I'm not afraid to say that

00:07:11.120 or shy away from that conversation. Um, I don't bring up the subject of God all that often within

00:07:16.860 order of man, because, uh, I can talk about the concepts and the foundations, frankly, of

00:07:22.780 Christianity without bringing the spiritual and religious conversation into it. And I'll

00:07:27.760 tell you why it's because there's so much opportunity for that information elsewhere.

00:07:31.660 And I can cast a significantly wider net by not talking about that. Although we do cover the

00:07:37.260 principles of faith and Christianity in our everyday discussions. So a lot of guys will

00:07:43.400 say, well, you really need to talk about them. No, I don't. This is actually what I feel called

00:07:48.220 to do. Um, and I, and I feel like I've been put on this earth to lead this movement. Uh, then

00:07:55.500 that's divine inspiration from, from my perspective, divine inspiration. And I've been led to believe

00:08:01.880 through that inspiration and prayer and everything else that I do with regards to my faith, that

00:08:06.640 it isn't something that needs to be brought up in a direct route because I can cast a wider

00:08:12.360 net. And I believe help more men than just having a spiritual discussion, which is out there

00:08:18.140 and other people are having those conversations and they should be having those conversations.

00:08:21.680 It's just not one that I'm interested in having here. Yeah. Do you think that you would have a,

00:08:26.720 a smaller following or if religion came up more often, you know what I mean? Do you think that

00:08:32.260 would turn off some guys that are not religious and unwilling to have this conversation because

00:08:36.740 God's constantly being brought up? Absolutely. I mean, even me as a, as a man of faith, even at times

00:08:42.660 I see guys who are, who are extremely spiritual and even I get turned off because I'm like, Oh my

00:08:47.360 goodness, not everything. But here's the, here's the interesting thing. When you're having

00:08:50.580 discussions with somebody, there needs to be some foundational, uh, understanding in that discussion.

00:08:57.140 If I'm constantly quoting from the Bible or scripture or my spiritual beliefs or a quote

00:09:02.520 unquote divine revelation, I can't have an intelligent discussion with somebody who doesn't

00:09:06.860 believe in that because everything I say is predicated on a belief that they have, they don't

00:09:12.920 believe in. So I can't have a significant conversation if I can't establish some sort of baseline

00:09:19.040 understanding. So I can talk about Christian principles. I can talk about faith and even

00:09:24.240 spirituality. As long as I have some foundational understanding and belief with another person

00:09:30.600 that I'm having a conversation with. And people say this all the time. Well, God created the earth.

00:09:35.380 See, it was here in, in Genesis. Well, that's great, but some people don't believe in Genesis.

00:09:40.360 So everything you say after this is irrelevant because that foundational, uh, understanding is

00:09:47.000 not in place. So we need to have some sort of baseline understanding, which is actually why I'm

00:09:52.400 putting together, uh, a constitution of sorts for order of man so that everybody who gets acquainted

00:09:58.700 with the movement and the organization understands, uh, what it is that we believe and how we act and

00:10:04.340 all of that. So, so I hope that answers the question. I'm not shying away from it. I just don't feel

00:10:08.720 that's necessary. Yeah, for sure. Well, and to think, especially, uh, I'm assuming on order of

00:10:14.460 man within the Facebook group, this conversation comes up. It, those, those conversations are welcome

00:10:19.460 in the iron council within battle teams. We talk about religion quite a bit from a very, uh, from a

00:10:25.160 place of respect, right. Realizing that not everyone may be religious. And so I don't think, I don't think

00:10:30.960 we're shying away from the conversation from happening, right? It's just not a primary focus on the

00:10:35.560 platform per se. Yeah, that that's exactly right. I mean, it's just, um, it's just for me, it's just

00:10:41.940 not a necessity. And a lot of guys will say, well, if, if, if, if a, uh, if a man isn't religious, he's

00:10:47.500 not being the fully the man he can be. I'm like, I don't really know if that's true. Like I've thought

00:10:52.140 about where does morality come from? For me, I, I, I ascribe and, and, and try to live by, uh, the gospel

00:11:00.040 of Christ, you know, it's, it's how I choose to live, but somebody who doesn't believe in Christ

00:11:05.080 or maybe even an atheist still has moral principles. They just happen to come from somewhere

00:11:10.320 else. I used to think that, oh, if, if an atheist, I, here's what I used to think. I used to think

00:11:16.820 that an atheist just didn't care that he was almost like nihilistic. Like he just didn't care about life

00:11:21.220 in general, but I found that not to be the case. They just have a different set of principles by which

00:11:26.180 they operate. It just doesn't happen to be the same as mine. So there, there, you, you've got to,

00:11:31.820 again, come back to this foundational understanding that, yeah, there's a spiritual component of life

00:11:35.980 in many different forms and people believe in it many different ways. And I think that's fine.

00:11:41.900 I think we can be just as good if we're Christians or some other spiritual or, you know, philosophical

00:11:49.380 belief. Yeah, for sure. Well, and I think you would be shutting off so many guys, right. That need to

00:11:55.100 hear this message that would have an opportunity to grow. If, if, if you pigeonholed everything

00:12:00.900 through, right. A religious belief. Yeah, that's, that's a hundred percent true. Absolutely.

00:12:06.460 Cool. All right. Uh, yeah, let's move on. Sorry. We're rat holing on these questions.

00:12:12.380 I know it's good though. We may not be able to get to all of them. If we don't, we'll just roll them

00:12:15.760 over and do what we got to do. All right. Next question. Rutger Noib, how to deal with ADHD,

00:12:22.880 PTSD, PTSD, accept medication and EMDR therapy. I have no idea what EMDR therapy is.

00:12:29.320 I don't know what that is. And I'll throw a disclaimer out there that I am not a medical

00:12:33.620 professional. This is not medical advice. Um, I, I have not had to deal personally with ADHD

00:12:38.760 in with me or my family or children's or, or PTSD. Um, I'm not discounting those at all. I just have

00:12:46.700 never had to deal with it. So for me to say, do this and this and this, uh, take that with a grain of

00:12:51.660 solved because I've never had to deal with it. Um, now I will say ADHD. Uh, I think there's a case

00:12:57.640 to be made, especially in our young children. I had a conversation with Dr. Warren Farrell about

00:13:01.420 this. He wrote, uh, the boy crisis, uh, as well as Dr. Leonard Sachs, who wrote boys adrift

00:13:07.360 conversations with both of these guys who, who are doctors, uh, who have talked about the way the

00:13:13.600 school system is stacked against our young men. You know, the boys are told and girls are told to sit

00:13:18.620 down, shut up, color within the lines, do what you're told, stay within these parameters.

00:13:22.160 And while there's certainly value in that, and, and there's some truth to that, of course,

00:13:26.560 uh, I think a lot of the times it's just that boys are, are bored, right? Like, like, I don't

00:13:31.740 want to, I'm, I'm going to, I'm 37 years old. Like I don't want to sit in a classroom. I go to these

00:13:35.960 conferences, you know, and I'm sitting there for three, four hours. I'm like, this is bullshit.

00:13:39.520 Like, I don't want to do this as a 37 year old man. Yeah. Of course I wouldn't want to do it as a

00:13:44.400 10 year old boy. So how do you deal with it? I, I think you find things that engage you mentally,

00:13:49.960 physically, emotionally, and you go try new things and experience life and have adventure

00:13:54.500 and scratch the itch in a way, if, if you will. Um, now granted there's medical conditions and

00:14:00.180 I think you ought to consult a doctor on that. Not me, uh, PTSD again, consult, consult, uh, uh,

00:14:09.040 somebody, a therapist, somebody you can talk with and have a conversation. I believe that that's

00:14:12.780 legitimate. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people do use it as an excuse. That's not really there.

00:14:18.260 Um, but I also believe that there are legitimate cases of PTSD and, uh, I don't know. I don't know

00:14:24.440 how to answer that question other than consult your, your, your doctor. Cause I just have never

00:14:28.100 experienced it. So I have an interesting concept. By the way, I can totally relate to that. My oldest

00:14:33.820 son is, was diagnosed with autism. We sit in the, when the doctor's office and they're explaining

00:14:38.740 what autism is. And I'm thinking, so am, so am I on the, am I on the spectrum? Right?

00:14:44.480 Yeah. You, you just explained me, right? Like, uh, yeah. So, but you know, what's interesting

00:14:49.240 about this and, and, and sorry for the tangents, man, but I think this is an interesting insight.

00:14:54.080 So some people may be listening right now and say, Oh, well, you know, you know, that Ryan's right.

00:14:58.800 He's not a doctor. Right. So let me, let me throw out this recommendation. Right. Or some

00:15:03.020 of these ideas, but you know what? I, I often think that if you were a doctor, that your ability

00:15:10.300 to actually answer that question from an effective way goes, gets decreased, right? By having that

00:15:17.700 title from a doctor's perspective, you're like, all of a sudden you're liable, right? And now you'll

00:15:23.400 have to worry about my job and everything else. And, and that's one of the things I love. Sorry to

00:15:27.500 keep bringing up, bringing up the iron council, but that's one of the things I love about the iron

00:15:31.040 council. Guess, guess how much value there is in people sharing their opinion and their story with

00:15:37.200 each other, ensuring what works for them, regardless of degree, right? Sometimes that

00:15:41.780 degree holds you down, right? Sometimes that degree is like, Hey, I got to answer this from a

00:15:45.600 professional perspective. I, you know, uh, talk to your doctor and, you know, follow these prescriptions

00:15:50.700 because, you know, my livelihood or my work is at, at risk. Right. So I find it interesting that

00:15:56.400 it's, I love the fact that the question's on here, right? Because I do sometimes believe even

00:16:01.920 though, right, there's this major disclaimer of talk to a doctor, but man, there's some value in

00:16:05.980 just asking, right. And in getting people's opinion, regardless of degrees, right?

00:16:11.200 I agree with that. And I think being surrounded by people who care about you and want to see you win

00:16:15.380 and want to see you thrive and who are willing to tell you the truth. There's a lot of, I call them

00:16:19.320 bobbleheads where they'll just bobble up and down. And the more successful you are, you'll find yourself

00:16:23.360 surrounded by more and more of those people who are like, yes, yes, yes, to everything you say and

00:16:27.280 do. And, and that feels really good on the ego, but it does nothing for your level of success.

00:16:32.320 What you need is people around you who do love you and care about you and support you, but also

00:16:37.200 have permission to tell you the truth, even though it might be uncomfortable, uh, even though it might

00:16:42.240 sting and hurt a little bit, that's, that's how you're going to find the people in your life who

00:16:46.260 are actually going to serve you rather than just make you feel good about yourself.

00:16:49.200 Yeah, totally. All right. Paul beam next question. Uh, his question is really around

00:16:55.160 your content creation, right? Are you creating all of that content on your own via social media

00:17:00.340 videos posts, or do you have people to help you on that content? What does that look like?

00:17:04.560 My, I mean, really, really quickly. And frankly, I do all of my social media stuff myself because

00:17:09.800 it's important. It would be like somebody asking me to go give a presentation as a keynote at a

00:17:15.020 conference and then me saying, yeah, sure. I'll do that. And then sending an assistant to go

00:17:18.920 give the delivery of the message. Like it just doesn't, it doesn't compute right now. Now that

00:17:23.680 being said, can I have somebody edit my podcast? Of course. Cause that's not the delivery component

00:17:28.960 of it or edit the videos. Of course. And I do, I have people that edit some video for me. Uh,

00:17:34.480 people that edit the podcast, this one will be edited, uh, because I don't want to get bogged

00:17:39.660 down in that stuff. But as far as creating content and putting it out there, that's all me. It has

00:17:45.040 always been me. And I hope that it always will be me in addition to maybe some, some supportive

00:17:50.360 administrative roles as well. Yeah. I think that's good strategy. Uh, I'm a Tony Robbins fan from time

00:17:56.320 to time. Like I, I have, I go on my, uh, my kicks of Tony Robbins or whatever. And I, uh, it was

00:18:02.060 about six months ago. I noticed he had a podcast and I thought, Oh, sweet. I'll subscribe. Yes.

00:18:06.800 I know exactly where you're going, dude. It wasn't him. And I was like, well, that sucks.

00:18:10.620 So disingenuous. I mean, a guy like Tony Robbins can get away with that, but it's so disingenuous.

00:18:16.700 It's like, it's not the Tony Robbins podcast. It's the John Stevens podcast that happens to be

00:18:22.700 paid for and sponsored by Tony Robbins. So like, like get it's, it's, it's, it's weak. Like it's,

00:18:28.720 it's a, it's a, uh, what do they call it? Bait and switch type thing. You know, it's a, it's just a

00:18:33.360 weak move. Um, social media is supposed to be social, which means that you have to be social

00:18:37.580 and engage with your people. And I think that's a large reason or a large part of the reason we've

00:18:42.140 had so much success with order of man in a relatively short timeframe is because I'm active.

00:18:47.760 I'm engaged. I care. I have conversations. I respond and I'm social with the people on social

00:18:53.780 media. Yeah. Cool. What's next? Chris bell, how to grow a personal tribe when you have limited your

00:19:00.600 friends over the years due to work life. Well, see, I don't like, okay. So the second half of that

00:19:07.060 question, those are the kinds of things that actually get me a little bit fired up. How to

00:19:11.740 read that again, read it again. How to grow a personal tribe when you have limited your friends

00:19:17.920 over the years due to work life. The answer is in the question. Stop limiting your friends due to

00:19:23.760 work life balance or whatever, et cetera. Like he, and I'm not beating him up here. I'm just saying like

00:19:29.580 we have a tendency to qualify our thoughts and, and actually we know the answer because it's in the

00:19:35.020 question. I have limited my friends over the years due to work life balance. How do I grow a

00:19:40.580 personal tribe? Stop doing that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Find a way, excuse me, find a way in your,

00:19:49.120 sorry, I'm congested. Find a way in your day, in your week, carve out time. I know life's busy.

00:19:54.800 Life's busy for you. It's busy for me. Kip is busy for you. Everybody's busy. And yet there's millions

00:19:59.480 of men all across the planet who find time throughout the week and throughout the day

00:20:03.480 to engage with other men who are friends. Uh, and I, I would suggest that you do it with,

00:20:10.360 with neighbors. There's neighbors around, uh, meetup.com is a great place to find people who

00:20:15.440 are interested in what you are. There's all sorts of conferences and, and different courses that you

00:20:20.520 can attend. Uh, you and I are going to, I don't know when this episode will be released. We actually,

00:20:25.780 as, as this episode is released, we are actually in Maine, uh, at immersion camp, uh, which is put

00:20:32.020 on by origin Maine and the team from echelon front, Jocko and echo and Leif and all those guys are

00:20:37.840 going to be there because we invest in that. Like we take time out of our day and money to go invest

00:20:43.040 in those things because it allows us to connect. So just stop limiting due to work in life and find a

00:20:48.460 time to, to make it work. Yeah. And I think from maybe Chris's perspective, right? He's like,

00:20:53.900 okay, I'm, I've gotten myself into the corner where, um, I have limited friends now, right?

00:20:59.120 Because I, I made a poor priority. How do I ramp back up? Right. Sure. And I, and I think what

00:21:04.120 you're saying is, Hey, get involved in things, uh, pick up a hobby, start training on the mats,

00:21:09.220 do some martial arts. Like, you know, we, we've learned this over the years, right? You want to

00:21:13.920 get to know and build bonds with other men. What do you need to do? Shoulder to shoulder, right? You got to

00:21:19.120 be doing something, right? There's a, we did a podcast. Yeah, absolutely. And we did a podcast

00:21:23.600 uh, like earlier this month, I think, or last month it's, uh, order of man.com slash FFN is in

00:21:30.640 Friday field notes. So FFN, uh, one, one nine. And the title is how a man builds a team. And there's

00:21:37.500 some key strategies in there that'll help you, uh, build, build a band of brothers around you.

00:21:44.120 Yeah. Yeah. You know what, by the way, um, is it Sal that you had the podcast with last week?

00:21:50.160 Yeah. Dude. So good. Awesome. So good. So good. Sal. I really like having conversations

00:21:57.500 with Sal because he thinks about things intelligently. And, and I have people in my life

00:22:03.960 who I have conversations with who are smart, but they debate and they have conversations based on

00:22:09.660 emotion. And so it makes it all but impossible to have a conversation because they just let their

00:22:14.240 emotions get in the way and cloud the reality of the situation. And then there's guys like Sal who,

00:22:19.740 who's a friend, but he's, he, and we can talk about other stuff, but when we're having discussions

00:22:24.980 like that, it's based on not feelings, but intellect. And I just love having conversations

00:22:30.620 like that. Yeah. It was a great, great episode. I'm like bookmark, listen to it again. Yeah. It's

00:22:36.620 really good. A lot of our podcasts are actually going to be more like that more conversation,

00:22:40.300 a little longer form. Cause I've just noticed I enjoy it more and the people listening,

00:22:44.400 enjoy it more as well. Yeah. And, and for some of you guys that are struggling with getting on the

00:22:49.580 court, you know, being a spectator, you need to listen to a Friday field note 120, which I can't

00:22:56.040 remember. Getting a spine. Oh yeah. Grow a spine. That's right. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Really good stuff.

00:23:01.260 Those Friday field notes are awesome. The guy that does those is, he's just so good. Yeah.

00:23:05.800 I was like, is it the guy that's editing it? I know. I'm like, come on. It's a joke, man. Like

00:23:12.800 you didn't even laugh at it. I was getting there. I was getting there. I'm a little slow. I'm from

00:23:17.080 a central Utah. So I'm a little slow. I'm from Southern Utah. It's not much better. Yeah. All

00:23:21.880 right. What do we got next? Yeah. When people don't know the name of your town, it's, it's not really

00:23:25.760 good. So yeah. Jake, uh, Jake, um, like Hasselhoff kind of. Is it Hoff or half? Half. Half. I want you to

00:23:35.640 say his middle name or his first last name there. That's what I want you to say. Yeah. You notice

00:23:39.800 I skipped the middle name. Sorry, Jake. All right. Question. If there was a genie who could magically

00:23:46.160 grant you one manly skill, what would, what would you ask for? This is a loaded question. Um,

00:23:53.840 uh, I would probably be, I'm going to come at this from two angles. Like, like I'm just going to

00:23:59.800 entertain the question. All right. But then I'm going to do the practical Ryan. Like I always do.

00:24:03.740 Somebody was asking me, they're like, are you ever funny? And my immediate response was

00:24:07.380 no. Like, that's it. It was just a one word answer. No, which is funny, but not really

00:24:12.720 because it's like, no, I'm not funny. Like there's, there's nothing. I'm just not a funny

00:24:16.500 individual. I I'm, I'm a more serious individual. Obviously. Uh, if there was a magic gene, I would

00:24:22.280 become a better bow hunter. If, if he could just grant me one skill, I would become a better

00:24:26.440 bow hunter. But so that, that's, that would be the answer to the question. Now the, the practical

00:24:31.380 realistic part of Ryan is like, if, if somebody just waved a magic wand or a genie granted me a

00:24:38.020 wish and said, here, you can be good at this manly skill. That manly skill wouldn't be as

00:24:41.660 valuable because I didn't learn and go through the experience of learning that skill in order to

00:24:45.960 make it an actual valuable skill. Like you have to suck at something long enough for it to actually be

00:24:51.140 a good part of you and enhance your life. If it's just given to you, it's, it's not as valuable.

00:24:57.580 You know what I'm saying? It's the reason why people who win the lottery, they lose their

00:25:02.080 winnings in it anywhere from two to four years on average, because they, they didn't earn it.

00:25:06.280 They didn't earn the right to have that amount of wealth. And so they squander it because they

00:25:10.420 don't know how to make those decisions in order to build and keep and attract and retain wealth.

00:25:15.560 Yeah. You would never be able to keep that manly skill. You would get it and you'd lose it.

00:25:19.860 Right. Because I would be uninterested in it. Yeah. Yeah. But, but if I could,

00:25:24.640 it would be bow hunting. That's been on my mind a lot lately, for sure.

00:25:28.040 So man, uh, so serious Ryan just told Jake Hoff, stop believing in genies, dude.

00:25:34.540 It's not real. I, it's hard. Cause again, my natural response is like,

00:25:39.540 there is no genies. So just deal with it. You know, but I'm like, Oh, that let's just have some

00:25:44.460 fun. Yeah. It's just a question. It's a fine. It's a fine question. It's a question. All right.

00:25:49.040 John LaRosa weakest part of your BJJ game or jujitsu game.

00:25:55.460 Weakest part of it's all of it. Like all of the above, like we get everything. Uh, I I'm not good

00:26:03.120 enough to even have a weakest part because that would imply that there was a strong part of my

00:26:07.840 game and there isn't, it's all weak right now. Uh, I feel like last, last week when I went in,

00:26:14.040 I felt really good. Um, I had some submissions, but I don't really like judge that. I just judge

00:26:20.060 like for, for now it's like, can I survive? Can I survive against a belt? Who's better than me?

00:26:25.200 And if I could like Matthew Harrington, he's a friend of ours. Um, he's a, he, he's a brown belt

00:26:30.620 in jujitsu and I'm like, Hey, let's, and he's 240 pounds and it's not, and he's, he's, it's muscle.

00:26:37.920 Like he's strong. So I get done with rolling with the other guys, the white belts and some, uh,

00:26:42.920 some blue belts and, and I'm like, Hey, let's, let's roll. He's like, okay, he destroyed me.

00:26:49.380 Well, I mean, he's 50, he weighs 50 pounds more than I do, but he's also extremely technical

00:26:54.320 and completely destroyed me. And I, I wasn't going in there. Like I'm going to submit this dude.

00:26:59.180 I was like, I want to see how long I could last. I probably lasted maybe a minute and a half,

00:27:03.920 but it's all weak for me right now, but that's kind of the part I enjoy. And that goes actually

00:27:08.520 into the last question about if there was a genie, what magical skill or what manly skill,

00:27:13.060 well, you, you got to earn it. You got to earn it. So it's all weak for me right now is the answer.

00:27:17.020 Yeah. That's what about you? What's your weakest? What, how would you answer that?

00:27:20.640 Oh man. You know, my weakest part is, uh, so there's two practical ones, right? There's the

00:27:27.680 theory that's weak that I, that I'm tempted to answer. What do you mean? What do you mean?

00:27:32.840 Well, I said my weakest part is my pride. Hmm. Uh, because I probably gets in the way more than

00:27:39.160 anything else, right? For me, progressing in jujitsu is when my pride gets in the way because

00:27:44.160 when you have some pride and you think you're halfway decent at something, you come in with,

00:27:50.400 I know this, and then you do what you know. And right. So you're not pushing and trying new things.

00:27:55.960 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so you kind of get a little bit narrow minded in your game a little bit

00:28:00.640 because you, you do what works. Right. And, and it's, and it's tough sometimes to, to be creative

00:28:05.480 and say, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to work on something that I'm horrible at. Why? Because

00:28:09.080 guess what? I might get submitted by a lower belt. So I gotta, I gotta let go of the pride. So I

00:28:14.300 would say the pride's probably my weakest part. And then if we're talking like technical, um,

00:28:19.880 man, what is my weakest part? You know, probably, um, I don't know, man,

00:28:26.300 man, this is so tough. I probably take downs. I actually wish that, um,

00:28:31.100 Like guarding, guarding takedowns or actually taking down others.

00:28:34.320 Yeah. I love it. I actually don't mind someone shooting in on a takedown.

00:28:38.240 Right. Because you like, you like operating from, from your back, right?

00:28:42.200 Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. I mean,

00:28:43.640 Seems like just based on what I've seen of you.

00:28:45.780 Yeah. That's what my wife says. I'm just joking. So see, that was funny.

00:28:50.620 That was funny. You're funnier than I am, man.

00:28:52.480 Yeah. I've given Ryan some tips on how to be funny. I'm just joking.

00:28:56.300 I was totally inappropriate. Sorry. Uh, no, but I, I'd probably say,

00:29:00.520 man, take takedowns. I wish I had a solid single leg, double leg takedown. I really wish I had,

00:29:05.780 but yeah, I might be too old for it, man. I'm 39. It's like,

00:29:08.920 Oh dude, you just gave yourself, you just qualified it, man. You just gave yourself an excuse.

00:29:12.880 All right.

00:29:13.360 You're too old for that. How old are you? 39, you said?

00:29:15.760 39. Yeah. You are, you are too old. That's right. You're, you're two years too old.

00:29:20.900 Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for giving me the out there. I appreciate it. No excuses.

00:29:24.520 No excuses. That's right. No excuses. All right. What's next?

00:29:28.140 All right. Dave Olson. If you were tasked to fill any position in life other than your own for one

00:29:33.980 week, what would you choose? I would be like, if like position, maybe, I don't know.

00:29:40.560 Does he think like,

00:29:41.780 here's how I would, yeah, I don't know. Here's how I would answer that question.

00:29:45.140 This is on my bucket list. If somebody's listening and make this happen,

00:29:48.080 you reach out to me, you contact me. I want to fly in a fighter jet and I don't even like flying

00:29:55.440 all that. Like I, in fact, I don't, I despise flying, but for whatever reason in my head and in

00:30:00.660 my soul, I've got this idea to fly in a fighter jet. So if I could do it for any week, for some

00:30:06.680 other position other than my own for a week, I would be a fighter pilot. I think that'd be rad.

00:30:10.980 I just had, uh, uh, David Burke on the podcast. He's with echelon front. In fact, he's a, uh,

00:30:16.380 you know, you're, you know, yeah. Yeah. David Burke came up. Um, we, we put on like a invite only,

00:30:21.840 um, it's called the proving grounds invitations, like a nogi invitational. And we, we actually had

00:30:26.580 him come up from California and compete. Oh, sweet. Great. And I has some serious caps.

00:30:31.280 Does he really? Oh yeah. I know that's kind of weird, but you see the guy walk with shorts on,

00:30:35.060 you're like calf envy instantly. You're like, seriously. It was a great conversation. I mean,

00:30:40.460 uh, a fighter pilot, um, spent time in Ramadi about the same time I was there. Uh, top gun

00:30:46.740 instructor. I mean, the guy's absolutely incredible. I would, I would fly in a fighter jet. I do that

00:30:51.540 for a week. That's cool. Can I say mine in case someone wants to fill my, uh, we got to move on.

00:30:57.300 I'm just kidding. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to go to the Amazon for like a month and do what

00:31:02.220 and just live in the jungle. Just live it up. Yeah. I think that'd be awesome. Yeah. I think that

00:31:08.500 would be pretty cool except for the oversized dinosaur type animals they have there. Other

00:31:14.280 than that, it'd be like the snakes and the bugs and, Oh, despite dying, it would be so other than

00:31:20.100 the risk that the heightened risk of dying. It would be really cool. No, I think that would be

00:31:24.320 cool. Actually. I think that'd be really cool. All right. Next question. Brandon Sislak. He says,

00:31:29.840 we, we have agreed that the best thing for our sons and children is a mother and father combo.

00:31:35.020 How do I overcome the fear that if that combo doesn't work, I'll be doing the right by my son?

00:31:41.460 Well, that is the best combo. I mean, that's, let's answer this from a couple of different

00:31:46.820 perspectives. We've agreed that the best thing is a mother, father combo. Yes, that's true. That's,

00:31:52.100 that's not, that's not subject to interpretation or up for debate. Like, like scientifically that's

00:31:57.820 been proven that it's best to have a mother and father in the home. Yeah. I think that the root of

00:32:03.100 this question is really around, how do I overcome the fear that that combo doesn't work?

00:32:07.300 What combo?

00:32:08.620 The combo, like, I think what he's saying is how do I overcome the fear that, that maybe my marriage

00:32:14.640 won't work out? Oh, he's worried about if the marriage doesn't work out, I'll be doing. So what,

00:32:18.700 well, answer this. What's the alternative? Don't get married. Yeah. Don't, don't, don't have a

00:32:24.420 partner in life. Don't have a spouse. Don't have a significant other. Don't have a woman who you're

00:32:28.240 attracted to and passionate with and engaged with and raising kids correctly. What's, what's the

00:32:32.740 alternative? The alternative is that you do it alone and nobody wants to do that. You don't want

00:32:37.320 to do that. So what's the greater fear that it won't work or that you'll be alone. And it's been

00:32:43.480 proven that again, having a mother and father in the home is the best thing for sons and daughters.

00:32:48.840 How do I overcome the fear? I mean, that fear is always going to be there, right? It means people get

00:32:53.320 burned and people change and people change their mind and people fall out of love and all of that

00:32:58.180 sucks. But, uh, it's kind of, it reminds me of the Garth Brooks song, the dance. Do you know the

00:33:02.800 dance? If you sing it to me, I'm not going to sing it. You guys can look it up because I wouldn't even

00:33:08.520 do it justice, but it's the dance. He's like, so he basically the, the gist of the, the, the song is

00:33:15.260 that he, he finds this woman and he dances with her and he falls in love with her. And then eventually

00:33:21.620 they, they break up and he's like, you know, that sucks. But if I could go back in time,

00:33:26.080 I would still, I would still do the dance because if I wouldn't, if I would have known all this would

00:33:31.580 have happened, I could have potentially given up that opportunity for the dance. And, and that dance

00:33:36.560 was significant and meaningful. And so, yeah, your marriage, frankly, it might, I know this sounds

00:33:41.500 gloom and doom, but it might not work. That's true. But in the meantime, you will have missed a great

00:33:47.140 opportunity to build a relationship with a beautiful woman who you admire and respect and

00:33:52.420 love and are intimate with. And that to me is, is worth it. So how do you overcome the fear? Enjoy,

00:33:57.720 enjoy the moment and make it work. Do you think there's some drawback to

00:34:01.800 fearing that too often, you know, like going into a marriage or constantly like, Oh man,

00:34:07.440 I'm so nervous about my marriage failing versus kind of having the mentality like, Hey, it's not going

00:34:11.360 to fail. Like I am not going to let it fail. Like, do you, do you think that has, I don't know,

00:34:15.960 a negative connotation or a negative result? Oh, for sure. I mean, there's self-fulfilling

00:34:21.600 prophecy, right? Which is basically you being so wrapped up in what could potentially go wrong

00:34:27.680 that you end up sabotaging the very, the very thing that you're worried about. So yeah, there's

00:34:34.760 a huge danger in word. Now we don't want to be oblivious or ignorant. So how do you, how do you

00:34:41.400 ensure or to the best of your ability, ensure that the relationship continues? You, you treat

00:34:46.160 her like a woman, you engage her physically, mentally, emotionally, you work on becoming

00:34:51.060 the best version that you can be. Uh, you, you love her. You treat her with respect. You provide

00:34:56.880 for her, you protect over her, you preside in the household and with love and guidance and support

00:35:02.460 and discipline and structure, uh, and, and through a combination of all of those things. And that's a

00:35:07.980 healthy response to the potential fear of loss. Uh, the, the potential for loss is significantly

00:35:14.440 reduced. So it might still happen, but in the meantime, you, you got to do everything you can

00:35:20.580 do. And as Garth Brooks would say, engage in the dance, man, or sing as Garth Brooks would sing

00:35:26.920 the dance. I won't, you guys can look it up. Yeah. That's funny. I'm totally listening to it.

00:35:32.040 It's good, dude. It's a dude. If you don't like Garth Brooks, I'm not, I didn't say I didn't like

00:35:36.860 Garth Brooks. I like some Garth Brooks. I know, but you don't even know the dance.

00:35:40.840 Oh, that's true. Well, you know, I like the rodeo. I know that song. That's a good song.

00:35:44.640 That's a good song. That is a good song. All right. What's next?

00:35:47.900 Jeremy McGee. I know Jeremy. Jerry's Jeremy was my buck bunk mate at, uh, uprising last year.

00:35:55.920 And Jeremy's going to be at immersion camp.

00:35:58.080 Yeah. He just, he sent me a picture. He sent me a text and he's like, Hey, uh, I asked what size he

00:36:04.500 was for, for Ashgard. And he told me, and he says, Hey, I'm, I'm, my legs hurting a little bit. And he

00:36:08.460 showed me a picture of it's all bruised. I'm like, dude, you shouldn't have shown me that. I'm going

00:36:11.040 to go for leg locks the entire week while I'm out there. Totally. Like never show me your weakness.

00:36:16.520 Vulnerability is overrated. You know, it's funny as I thought about it. When you asked about the

00:36:20.400 weakest part of Jiu Jitsu, I thought, well, wait a second. Why would I tell you that?

00:36:23.600 Exploit this. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to tell anybody. Exactly. All right. Jeremy's question.

00:36:27.940 Is what is the hardest thing you will do today? And why my run? Yeah. My run is going to be the

00:36:33.560 hardest thing. I'm going to go for a five mile run today. Trail run. So I've been running. I've

00:36:38.660 talked to a lot of guys about this. I've been running for the past two and a half months or so,

00:36:42.540 maybe three months now. And there's a Hill out. I can see it outside of my window right now.

00:36:47.540 And when I started, I can only run a 10th of a mile up the Hill without stopping before I could run

00:36:52.720 again. And then last week, the end of last week, I ran all the way up and back down,

00:36:57.940 which was just under three miles. And, and today I'm going to run up the Hill and first,

00:37:04.740 you're going to run up the Hill first. Like that's the first part of your five mile run is up.

00:37:09.720 It's up. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's a steep incline. So I run up it and then,

00:37:16.160 and then there's an area where it flattens out. So I'll run that and then I'll loop around and run

00:37:19.420 back down. So it'll be a five mile trail run. I'm going to run the whole thing. Why is it going

00:37:24.160 to be hard? Cause I hate running. It's miserable. My foot hurts too. I woke up this morning. My foot

00:37:28.740 was hurting. I don't know why my foot's hurting, but it doesn't matter. I'm going to go do it

00:37:31.800 anyways. Yeah. Discipline. Discipline. All right. Jason Fortride. Fortride. Sorry, Jason. I'm

00:37:40.300 slaughtering the name. Should faith have better, you like to have more simple names. Like if you don't

00:37:44.280 want your name to be slaughtered, just have a more simple name. Yeah. I'm just going to change you guys'

00:37:48.220 name. Jason Fort. Jason Fort. That's right. No, I mean my, look, my name gets butchered all the time,

00:37:54.640 all the time. And, uh, just deal with it. Jason, Jason knows what it's like. Yeah. So hold on. So

00:38:00.440 is someone slaughtering your name that that's a listener to the podcast? Like how many times

00:38:04.940 occasionally even I heard Ryan Mickler, dude, even, even people like somebody will ask me to be a guest

00:38:11.200 on their show and I'll go on their podcast and like, Hey, we, today we have Ryan Mitchell. I'm like,

00:38:14.660 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, man. It's Ryan Mickler. Like, have you ever listened to my

00:38:18.160 show? It's weird. These are people who've reached out to me and want to have me on the show. It gets

00:38:22.760 butchered. It's not a big deal. Yeah. It's like, uh, in my world is when, when I get a potential lead

00:38:28.000 call and they ask me about, uh, outsourcing software development. Well, guess what we do

00:38:33.380 software development. I'm like, why would you even like, do you even know what I do? Like people

00:38:38.340 don't research, dude. They don't research. It's crazy. All right. Jason Fort. Should faith

00:38:45.080 institutions fill the gap of fatherless homes in our communities? And if so, how read that again?

00:38:52.780 Should faith institutions fill the gap of fatherless homes in our communities? And if so,

00:38:58.340 how fathers should fill the gap of fatherless homes in the communities? It's, it's fathers. The answer

00:39:05.180 is fathers. It's more engaged fathers. If you're, if you're going to engage with a woman physically,

00:39:09.980 and you're going to potentially have a child with that woman, it's your, now your responsibility to be

00:39:14.200 father, not home now. So that, that, that's the correct answer. Now, that being said, I'd realized

00:39:18.420 that doesn't happen all the time. Should faith institutions fill that gap? Uh, they can,

00:39:24.260 should they, uh, I don't know if should is the right word. They certainly can, but there's a lot

00:39:28.380 of other places too. Uh, you have step parents that come into, into the situation. Uh, you have

00:39:35.840 mentoring type programs. I serve in the community, uh, and I work with the 14 to 16 year old boys

00:39:42.200 within our church organization. Uh, and, and I feel some of that role, even though I think most,

00:39:47.700 if I think 95% of the kids have dads in the home, but I'm still there. Uh, faith institutions can

00:39:54.280 certainly do that. How do they do that? By engaging boys by another one coaches. If you can coach your,

00:40:00.000 your sporting teams in the community, the boys do that. You should do that. Um, so I think there's a

00:40:06.580 lot of, a lot of different paths there and directions. How should they do that? Just by being

00:40:10.740 engaged by putting together activities, wholesome activities that are going to uplift and, and

00:40:15.360 challenge and, and raise boys up. Um, I don't have any specific examples, but should they maybe,

00:40:22.620 maybe not. They certainly could as well as fathers, coaches, mentors, counselors, et cetera, et cetera.

00:40:30.320 Yeah. And I think it's multiple, right? Like, I don't, I don't know if you could force an

00:40:36.180 organization to address the fatherless home scenario, right? Like you don't know what the

00:40:42.040 kid's going to choose to look, look up to, or, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like for you,

00:40:46.380 it could be, Hey, that coach for whatever reason, right. Inspired me as a way, as a young man.

00:40:52.340 And thus I was drawn to him from, as a fatherly figure. I think, I don't think these kids

00:40:57.800 consciously, like if we force, Oh, Hey, okay, here's your fatherly replacement. I don't think

00:41:03.680 they'll accept it. Right. I think they're going to choose. Right. And so that's, I think that's

00:41:07.340 why we have to be so careful as fathers, right? You never know. Like I would probably even argue

00:41:11.480 that some of my son's friends kind of have a little bit of a relationship with me as kind

00:41:17.780 of a father, right? And they should, they should be that way. I treat my son. Right. So yeah,

00:41:22.440 that's crazy. No, it, it, it definitely, it, it should be that way. You, you should be a father

00:41:27.720 figure in every, in every role and every opportunity that you can. There's a guy that I follow on social

00:41:33.500 media. What's his name? I want, I could be wrong here. I want to say Kip Sorensen. Yes. Yes.

00:41:38.040 That's who it is. This guy's name is a, I want to say it's Jason Wilson. I may be wrong. I want

00:41:43.540 to say it's Jason Wilson, but he teaches martial arts. And I don't know if it's jujitsu or karate or

00:41:48.680 what, what, what discipline it is, but he teaches martial arts to these boys and man, he's, it's pretty

00:41:54.100 cool. Cause he's teaching them significantly more than martial arts. I mean, it's, it's fatherly type

00:41:59.480 role disguised if you will, as martial arts. It's pretty cool. I think his name's Jason

00:42:05.200 Wilson. I'm going to look that up though. Pretty, pretty impressive. Very cool. All right. Next

00:42:10.560 question. Christopher Lafreniere, Lafreniere. We're going with that, Chris. All right. I struggle

00:42:17.360 with addiction. I'll even self-sabotage because I believe some sort, sort, believe some part

00:42:23.880 of me wants to be caught. So I'll force myself into a situation that makes me work hard or harder

00:42:29.460 in a program. Um, okay. I know. I don't know. Because I believe some part of me wants to get

00:42:38.060 caught. Yeah. So I've heard it. I've heard this before, right? With people that struggle with

00:42:44.400 addictions. Like it's almost like, you know, they're, they're, they're subconsciously like

00:42:50.360 almost putting themselves in a position to get caught because they're, it's almost like they're

00:42:54.520 reaching out for help. Oh yeah. Well, we had a great conversation with Court McGee. You introduced me

00:42:59.220 to court in fact. And so I would definitely listen to that podcast. Um, I think depending

00:43:04.480 on the addiction, there's, there's definitely help out there. Uh, whether that's pornography

00:43:09.220 or drugs or alcohol or sex or any number of addictions that it could possibly be. I think

00:43:15.460 there's programs out there for that, that I would definitely encourage. Like if you want

00:43:19.160 to be caught so that, so that you can force yourself into a situation, just, just do that.

00:43:24.600 The more assertive way is not to like do it backhandedly, but to admit yourself into a

00:43:30.920 program. And I'm not talking about some sort of thing where you have to go away for 90

00:43:34.080 days, but I'm saying maybe there's an online course for pornography addiction. Uh, maybe

00:43:38.380 there's, maybe there's an AA that meets around, around you that you can go to. Maybe there's

00:43:42.920 other people who are dealing with what you're dealing with. Like, like don't be passive about

00:43:46.980 it. Like, Oh, part of me wants to get caught. That's passive. Be assertive. Go out and seek

00:43:51.740 that help. You know, you need it. You know, you want it. You wouldn't have asked this

00:43:54.400 question if you didn't feel that way. So it's okay. I think a lot of guys won't ask

00:43:58.700 for help because getting caught is different than asking for help. Cause asking for help

00:44:04.680 can be perceived as weakness and vulnerability, but getting caught is like, Oh shoot, I got

00:44:09.160 caught. I didn't want to, but I did. And so there's no threat to your vulnerability or

00:44:12.860 weakness that way. So I just want you to know that asking for help and reaching out and

00:44:18.500 getting the help you need is not a sign of weakness. In fact, it's a sign of ultimate

00:44:22.080 strength. The guys that we talked about this a minute ago with humility and pride, the

00:44:26.740 guys who are so arrogant and prideful that they're not willing to get the help they need.

00:44:30.220 They end up failing because they don't see all the blind spots and they don't see all

00:44:34.000 the threats. It's the guys who recognize the threats, who look around, who are aware of

00:44:37.700 it, and then actually address the threats are significantly stronger than the guys that pretend

00:44:41.880 that aren't there.

00:44:43.320 Yeah. You know, it's funny. Um, I just immediately think about Nashville, Nashville,

00:44:48.200 meetup, you know, we, we had a guy that owned it, right? He owned that addiction conversation

00:44:53.740 and shared it with like a group of men around a fire. And, and you know, what's crazy, Chris

00:44:59.960 is we were inspired by him. We didn't look down at him. He inspired me. So, and this is a guy

00:45:09.620 struggling, right? And he owned it, communicated that this is where he is at. Right. And that's it

00:45:15.920 like shared that. And you know how many other guys may have been dealing with an addiction

00:45:20.800 and were inspired by him. Like, and, and, and if you just get caught, that's not inspiring to

00:45:26.500 anybody. Right. But you own your addiction and you, and you share with certain men, right?

00:45:32.880 Obviously we don't want to cast our pearls before swine per se. Right. But you share that

00:45:38.540 that's inspiring. Right. And it's not just you you're helping, right? That could be helping

00:45:42.940 so many more men, right? That need to hear that story or that struggle. Right. A hundred percent.

00:45:48.640 Absolutely. Yeah. Cool. Go get the help, man. Go get the help, Chris. Like if you need it,

00:45:53.280 you recognize it, go get the help. What else? All right. Trey Miller. Um, how did you know you

00:45:58.900 were ready to share your message and story? I'm going to share my experience and help my friends

00:46:03.460 see what they need to change. There's some danger there, but I'm not sure if I have proven myself.

00:46:08.840 Well, I think, I think your motive is off a little bit here. Um, you're, you're wanting to change

00:46:14.940 people. Um, and you want to prove yourself that you can, that other people will listen to you

00:46:20.600 and that they will do what you say, or they will find you worthy. Uh, that, that motive is a false

00:46:26.800 motive and it's not really going to help you or anybody else. So for me, how did I know when I was

00:46:32.180 ready? Uh, I, I wasn't sharing my message initially to help anybody. I was sharing my story because it

00:46:38.240 helped me, you know, and I, and I talked, there's two guys in particular, I talked with

00:46:42.200 close friends of mine as I was going through a separation with my wife that I had conversations

00:46:47.020 with. I wasn't going to share that with the world. Are you kidding me? And so I started talking

00:46:51.320 with these guys and both of them were like, yeah, man, I went through that too. Or, or I, you know,

00:46:56.860 one of them said, well, I didn't have a father when I was growing up. And so as I continued to have

00:47:00.940 these conversations, it wasn't about quote unquote sharing my story. Cause a lot of people say that

00:47:05.400 it was about just having a meaningful and significant conversation with somebody.

00:47:09.500 And then I, and then I, I had that conversation with somebody else and somebody else and somebody

00:47:14.060 else. And the more that I talked about it, the more that I realized, oh man, like guys are really

00:47:19.160 resonating with it. Nah, that's not the right word. Guys, a lot of men have experienced what I did

00:47:25.400 and they're not talking about it. I wasn't talking about it. Maybe we can actually do something about

00:47:30.440 this. And so it continued to grow and grow and grow. Um, but my motive, even now my motive is

00:47:36.640 not to be the expert. It's certainly not. It's just to be with the order standing shoulder to

00:47:42.660 shoulder and saying, here's where I'm good. Here's where I struggle. What are you good at? What do you

00:47:46.440 struggle with? How can we improve moving forward? I've never cast myself as the quote unquote guru.

00:47:52.200 I've always just come from a position of, Hey, I'm a guy who wants to be a better father and husband

00:47:57.640 and leader in my community, owner of my business and just a better man in general. Let's just do

00:48:02.840 this together. That to me is a more pure motive than I want to prove myself. So people will listen

00:48:07.900 to me. Uh, I think that's going to be a hard one to build a, uh, um, a message of significance around.

00:48:15.240 Yeah. When I think it, I mean, Trey might be setting himself up for failure. What, what if his

00:48:19.920 friends don't change? What then? What if they don't want to, right? Yeah, exactly. What if they don't

00:48:24.380 like the message? What are you going to stop? What if it's a great message? Right? I mean,

00:48:28.800 we can't, we can't force things on people, right? We can be a lighthouse for them, but

00:48:32.820 beyond that, right? There's, there's little we can do to change people per se.

00:48:37.700 Yeah. And that's why one of the things I always talk about is if you are going to share your

00:48:42.440 message, share your message and allow the right people to be attracted to you. And there's other

00:48:45.760 people who are going to leave or come and call you an a-hole and mock and ridicule you and do

00:48:49.640 whatever it is they're going to do. Uh, just, just keep sharing, just keep going. And those

00:48:55.280 people are eventually going to be repelled by you, which is okay. And other people are going to be

00:48:59.400 attracted to you. Yeah. There's people that hate me because they don't like the way I said a word

00:49:06.240 or they don't like the certain word I used or that my beard pisses them off or whatever. Like they

00:49:10.420 conjure up all sorts of reasons to hate me. And, and that's unfortunate, but that's, that's their

00:49:15.600 prerogative and that that's okay. Cause there's other people who really appreciate and

00:49:19.620 respect and admire what it is we're trying to do here. Yeah. Well, and that's why you're not funny

00:49:23.560 because all these people are being so mean to you. Probably it is. It hurts, man. It hurts deep

00:49:28.760 down inside. Jeez people. It is. It's just the nature of the people in general, I think.

00:49:34.980 Yeah. All right. Next question. Alex Schwartz, dude, he wants to be on the podcast. His question

00:49:39.860 is what does it take to get an opportunity to interview you on a podcast? Oh, he wants me to

00:49:44.600 come on his podcast. Yeah, I think so. Shoot me a message. All right. There you go,

00:49:49.520 shoot me a message. His name's Ryan Mickler. Mickler. Mickler. That's right. Mickler. Get

00:49:55.820 that right. The conversation is over. Yeah. He may say no at the beginning of the interview. Like,

00:50:01.320 Oh, I'm out. I'm out. See ya. All right. Tony Urzi, dude, represent an echo. Battle team echo.

00:50:07.660 Oh, is he on, is he on your team? Yeah. I like Tony. Tony's a good guy. He's a heck of a guy.

00:50:13.200 All right. What are some keys to maximizing a mentoring relationship to get the most out of it?

00:50:19.120 Do what the person tells you to do. Come on, Tony. I was just joking.

00:50:23.080 No, I mean, well, let me back up. First, first qualify what they're telling you to do.

00:50:28.280 Like I have people that are like, Oh, so here's the one I get a lot. Cause I'm a,

00:50:31.800 I'm a financial advisor by trade. I just sold my financial planning practice.

00:50:35.160 Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Exciting times. It gives me more time to do this and

00:50:38.340 frees up my, my mental capacity for other things, which are more significant to me anyways.

00:50:43.820 So I'll be sitting down with a client and we'll, we'll put together some proposals on their

00:50:47.540 investments, for example. And, and they'll say, well, this, this looks really good. I really like

00:50:52.280 what you've done here. And I really appreciated that. I'm going to go talk with so-and-so about it.

00:50:56.980 Hold on. Before you go talk with so-and-so about it. Why don't you tell me about their financial

00:51:01.400 position? More often than not, the people they want to talk with are broke or struggling with their

00:51:07.460 money. I'm like, well, why the hell would you want to ask that individual what they think of this

00:51:11.400 plan? You don't ask broke people for financial advice. You don't ask fat people for fitness

00:51:16.820 advice. And people's like, that's mean. Okay, fine. But I'm not going to take my advice from

00:51:23.460 somebody who isn't qualified to give it. So first and foremost, make sure they are qualified. Make

00:51:28.700 sure they're experiencing results in their lives and the lives that they feel the people that are

00:51:32.200 mentoring. Now, how do you maximize it? You do what they say, like, just do it.

00:51:37.460 Just try it. Even if it seems off, if they're experiencing results, then try it and see if

00:51:43.220 it doesn't produce results for you. And then you go back and say, Hey, I tried X, Y, and Z. I did

00:51:48.140 exactly what you said. Third component of this is you give them feedback. Now here's where I'm

00:51:53.100 struggling. Here's where I'm doing well. Here's a question I have. And then they give you some

00:51:56.900 feedback. I've got a coach, a strength coach, Josiah Novak. And, and I messaged him the other day.

00:52:02.560 I was like, man, should I be eating rice and beans? Like I didn't know. And he's like, yeah,

00:52:07.420 of course you should. Well, I didn't know that. So I had to ask, and now I can incorporate that into

00:52:12.100 my diet. And then I was working on some deadlifts and, uh, just had some, some, I was off a little

00:52:17.740 bit on, on one of my lists. He's like, here, try this instead. And then I go implement that. And then

00:52:22.300 I recalibrate and it works. So qualify it, do what they tell you to do, give feedback,

00:52:28.260 get more instruction, and then implement that over and over and over again.

00:52:33.400 Yeah. And it's funny how that could relate to so many things in life, right? Just try it. Just

00:52:39.020 go in, give it your all. See if the results are there, right? The fruits.

00:52:44.920 Well, and there is something to be said for figuring out things on your own. I don't think

00:52:47.740 you always should do that. But one question people ask a lot is like, how do Ryan, do you

00:52:50.980 have any advice for me? I'm starting a podcast. Yeah. Start. And well, what should I know? You'll

00:52:57.060 trust me. You'll learn. You'll, you'll figure it out quick if you're willing to review it. And

00:53:01.800 there, again, there's something to be said for asking for advice, but there's also something to

00:53:04.820 be said for just throwing yourself in the fire and figuring out where you need to, to strengthen

00:53:09.000 yourself. Let all those negative people tear you down. Back to your point earlier about some people

00:53:14.080 being so negative all the time. I was, I was thinking a guy starting a podcast, I'm sure you get

00:53:18.340 a lot of negative, uh, feedback sometimes. You know, you don't, you don't get it initially because

00:53:24.240 nobody's even listening. Your mom's listening. Yeah. And so if you're getting negative feedback

00:53:28.760 when your mom's listening, like you really suck, but you don't, you don't, I didn't get

00:53:33.540 negative feedback when I started because no, nobody was tuning in. It wasn't until we actually

00:53:39.240 started getting some traction and movement. And by then I felt a little bit more convicted

00:53:42.840 in what it is I was doing. So it didn't get to me as, as much, although it does now. And

00:53:47.880 I have little rules that keep myself sane. I can talk about that another time.

00:53:51.840 That's funny. Yeah. If you guys are curious, ask that question next time. All right. Dance

00:53:56.420 Linus, he has a question. Uh, and I don't know why he's asking this question. Maybe he's concerned

00:54:01.240 of like copyright laws and you suing him or something, but he's curious if he can get your

00:54:05.700 logo tattooed. Yeah, man, do that and take a picture of it. Shoot it over to me. I'll share

00:54:11.600 it. We actually, do you know, Alex Spitzer? Uh, yeah, he's an, he's an iron council. Yeah. He

00:54:17.280 came out to, um, the uprising. I think you were there when he came. Yeah. Maybe anyways, he, he

00:54:22.960 has a tattoo and order a man tattoo. And I'm sure there's a couple, maybe a couple other guys or one

00:54:27.740 or two other guys, but yeah, dude, get it for sure. I would, I'd love to see it. And then I, I

00:54:32.400 always, I always say is like, I just hope isn't the right word, but I, if you get a tattoo on you,

00:54:40.720 like, I want you to know, like that's, that's on, that's an honor to me. Cause you're willing

00:54:45.020 to put that on your body permanently. That's, that's a huge honor to me. Um, and, and I just

00:54:51.680 want you to know that I will always work to make sure that that logo continues to hold its meaning

00:54:56.820 and significance. So yeah, dude, get it for sure. Well, and part of that's back on Dan, right. To

00:55:02.440 make sure that he's living up to a way to show some honor to that logo. That's true. Let's,

00:55:07.140 let's, let's honor each other for sure. Absolutely. For sure. And on that note,

00:55:11.440 uh, you need to make some patches, man. I want to, I want to sew some patches.

00:55:15.620 We do. Order a man. Oh, you want like, um, like a, uh, okay. Well, no, we have, we have,

00:55:22.420 we have one. Is there like a cloth one or are they all PVC ones? No, we've got a cloth one.

00:55:27.840 Oh, well me and all of you need to go to order man.com and go to the store.

00:55:33.000 I'm going to have to get a new co-host here before too long. I think I've got one here. I'll

00:55:37.000 bring one out to immersion. I think I've got one here in my house. Nice. All right, cool. All

00:55:41.300 right. Next question. John Gilliland, you know, John, John's good guy. Um, a lot of us tend to

00:55:48.540 have a black or white mindset when it comes to relationships, business or otherwise. What are

00:55:54.820 your thoughts on finding the gray area? Is there a gray area? I have a tendency to cut people out

00:56:00.300 completely. If I feel the relationship isn't valued by them, dude, you're asking the wrong guy. Cause

00:56:05.100 I'm black and white. Well, and I thought this was interesting. The last part, uh, listen to this.

00:56:11.740 I have a tendency to cut people out. He's cutting them out completely. If I feel the relationship

00:56:17.720 isn't valued by them. I do the same thing. Interesting. Right. I do the same thing. Like

00:56:23.500 I realized that, look, here's the deal. I mean, sometimes it's black and white a hundred percent.

00:56:29.580 Sometimes it's either yes or no, right or wrong. They're dark or light. Like there's no,

00:56:33.440 there's no gray area. It's just, this is what it is. And other times there is gray area.

00:56:38.660 Uh, I look at gray area with my, my wife and my children because they're, they're complex and they

00:56:44.740 have their own things and experiences and perspectives. And because I value that relationship

00:56:52.120 significantly more than just about any other relationship out there, I have to be willing to

00:56:57.200 find, or at least explore whether or not I am taking into consideration, everything that needs

00:57:03.680 to be taken into consideration. And if I'm not right, if I, if I'm, if I'm just looking at my

00:57:11.440 perspective, then I jeopardize that relationship, which I'm not interested in doing. So I will strive

00:57:17.480 to figure out their perspective. You know, if my son has a hard day for me, it's very easy to say,

00:57:22.640 well, toughen up, which might be true, but there might be some things there that I really need to

00:57:27.500 figure out as to why maybe, maybe I failed as a father. Maybe, maybe the reason he is not physically

00:57:33.280 or mentally or emotionally resilient is because I've failed him in some areas. And it's not just a

00:57:38.600 matter of toughening up. It's what can I do as a father to help him? So if you, if you value the

00:57:45.360 relationship, you got to find and put yourself in their perspective and really try to strive to see,

00:57:52.620 what it is they're experiencing and feeling it's hard, John, it's hard for me, dude. Like I, I I'm,

00:57:59.100 I'm black and white. So it's really hard for me to, well, I'll tell you one of my, one of the areas

00:58:06.640 that I'm weak in is, is empathy and compassion. Truly like it's hard. It's very difficult for me to

00:58:13.760 be empathetic and compassionate. Uh, I know that's something that I need to work on. I'm, I'm realistic

00:58:21.020 about that. Uh, I think in a lot of ways it serves me well, especially when it comes to leading this

00:58:26.080 community. Um, and I think a lot of ways it, it, it hurts. It hurts me and the people around me. And

00:58:30.360 so you got to be truthful and objective about that and, and try to work on those things.

00:58:36.260 All right. Next question, Richard Dobbins. Um, he kind of has two questions here. So maybe

00:58:40.560 you pick, or maybe you go for both. So tips for becoming more social, breaking through social

00:58:45.300 anxiety, tips for becoming more social, more social, breaking through social anxiety. I added

00:58:52.540 a comment there for you, Richard. Yeah. And then the second question is around, you know, do we get

00:58:57.440 into jujitsu to get in shape or do you, you wait to get in shape to do jujitsu? That kind of question.

00:59:03.000 Oh, all right, cool. So the, maybe make these the last two questions just because I know we're

00:59:07.280 winded down on time tips for becoming more social. Uh, you just put yourself in those

00:59:12.860 environments. You can do like a toast masters or some sort of like a rotary club service organization,

00:59:17.560 uh, go to industry conferences, courses, uh, really put yourself out there, engage with people,

00:59:24.340 even on social media, just start engaging and have conversations. Uh, the more that you can engage

00:59:29.000 with other people when you're going out on dates, you know, say, say hi, or even, even with the waiter

00:59:34.040 or waitress, the server, excuse me, the server, um, socially correct. Right. Not, not the, not the

00:59:40.960 stewardess, the flight attendant. Uh, just, just try to strike up a conversation. Like those are very

00:59:47.500 low risk situations cause they have to be nice to you. Right. So now you just try to strike up a

00:59:53.940 conversation with, with your server say, Oh, you know, you're, I see your name. That's, that's a

00:59:58.300 really interesting name. Where did you get that name or whatever? Right. If it's, if it's Susan,

01:00:02.420 I don't think I'd say that's a really interesting name, but you understand what I'm saying.

01:00:06.000 Um, uh, come up with the scenario. And so I want to interrupt you because I really want you to read

01:00:11.120 Scott reads last as the last question. So, so Richard, you do jujitsu. It doesn't matter if

01:00:15.760 you're in shape or not. Next question. Hold on. No. Yeah. But let me, let me answer that too,

01:00:19.580 because you're exactly right. Like Brazilian jujitsu to get in shape before you start or use it to get in

01:00:24.100 shape both. Like you, you can, you can do both. You can get in shape outside of jujitsu and you can use it

01:00:28.720 to get in shape. It's not one or the other. You, you, everything is, you can't make a decision in

01:00:34.640 a vacuum. So if you decide to improve in one area, it's naturally going to spill over into other areas.

01:00:39.400 Like don't wait because you're not in shape and don't not get in shape outside of jujitsu because

01:00:44.920 that's your only form of exercise. Do both. Yeah. I love it. All right, cool. So can we do Scott

01:00:49.760 reads? Let's do it, man. It's a good question, man. So just so everyone has a little bit of a backstory.

01:00:54.040 So Ryan on the order of man, Facebook group, just, I, it felt, he just leaned into everybody.

01:01:00.900 Right. Yesterday. I think it was yesterday or the day before you just leaned in. Right. And so

01:01:06.140 Scott's obviously aware of the post and he wrote, Hey Ryan, do you think you can expand on why you

01:01:11.480 think you were forced to intervene and tell some people, some members of the group to man up and

01:01:17.120 take ownership of their lives? Many things, Scott. Okay. Yeah. So I can't remember exactly if

01:01:22.220 obviously what I said in the post, but I was so tired of seeing guys whine and complain and bitch

01:01:27.480 and moan without proposing or coming up with any solutions. Like I kept seeing over and over again,

01:01:33.440 Oh, this happened and my wife left me in my job and my dog died and yada, yada, yada. And all of that

01:01:38.440 sucks. It really does. It sucks. You know, I've been there. I've been in situations where, you know,

01:01:45.980 my wife left and I lost my job or I'm broke or all that stuff, but gosh, man, we just,

01:01:51.900 we need to be focused on goals and solutions rather than the actual problem itself. What can

01:01:58.900 we do to improve our lives? So was I forced to do that? Of course not. But as the moderator of the

01:02:04.260 group and the guy who's responsible for maintaining the course of the, of what it is we're doing,

01:02:09.460 it is my job to keep things on point. And I don't want a group filled with whiny men who aren't

01:02:16.080 focused on solutions. I want a group of men who are sharing their victories and their wins. And

01:02:22.980 when they have struggles, they're sharing them in a constructive way to identify solutions to those

01:02:29.380 problems. And it's very easy to be negative. And it's very easy to throw the pity party and play the

01:02:35.580 victim. I'm not interested in that. And so for me, I've got to call people out occasionally. And

01:02:40.880 you know what? We lost members of the group because they didn't like the way I responded. Good,

01:02:45.100 good. Those people can't handle what we're about. And it's unfortunate. I wish they would.

01:02:50.580 I wish they could, but they can't. And when, and if they're ready to come back and face the hard

01:02:55.960 realities of life and come up with some solutions and be goal oriented, then they're just not a great

01:03:02.720 fit for the group. And some people will say, guys will say this all the time. Well, Ryan,

01:03:06.620 some guys really need help. No doubt, no doubt. And sometimes hearing the hard truth and the hard

01:03:12.400 reality that nobody else will give them is exactly what they need to slap them back into reality and

01:03:17.840 life in general and get them back on the track they need to be. So I'm not interested in playing

01:03:22.760 games. I'm not interested in being a victim. I'm not interested in all the woes of life. I'm

01:03:27.420 interested in coming up with solutions to our own problems. And if I can help somebody do that,

01:03:31.960 even if I had to be a little harsh and saying it, I'm going to do it.

01:03:34.920 I love it, man. I mean, we implemented this, uh, for our battle team in the iron council,

01:03:40.280 right? The same thing is we had guys, um, complaining, right? They were like, Oh, this

01:03:46.020 is whatever, you know, sob story, right? About a situation. And not that it's not valid,

01:03:51.380 not that it's not, you know, a real situation that they're dealing with, but same thing. We're

01:03:56.160 like, okay, well, what's the action item? What are you going to do about it? Right? Like

01:04:00.220 any complaint or anything we agreed as a team has to be followed up with now, what are you going to

01:04:06.960 do? And if you don't know what you're going to do, guess what you're, what you're going to do,

01:04:10.540 at least have a conversation with another man and talk through what are you going to do about it?

01:04:15.760 Right. Come up with a solution. Exactly. Come up with a solution. Take action.

01:04:20.640 Yeah, it's man. It is a challenge, Scott, at times for sure, because you need to have difficult

01:04:24.720 conversations, but that's, that's why we're here. So anyways, I think we're, uh, I think we're

01:04:29.040 wrapped up for the day, right? As far as questions go. Yeah, for sure. And if you guys want to hear

01:04:33.900 Ryan rant like that Facebook post, uh, you can join us at facebook.com forward slash groups

01:04:41.160 forward slash order of man. And of course there's the 1% of the men in the iron council,

01:04:48.320 the 1%ers, the 1%ers. Oh, we can't even say that though. That's, that's true. That's a swear word

01:04:53.520 too, right? People are going to demonize us because they're, they assume that we're wealthy as well.

01:04:57.520 I'm proud. I'm proud of being a 1%. Why wouldn't you want to be the 1%er?

01:05:01.800 I know. Totally.

01:05:02.500 In anything, in anything, whether that's wealth or, or, or pick jujitsu or archery or like,

01:05:11.740 why wouldn't you want to be the 1%? That's what I want to work towards.

01:05:14.800 Well, because people do not believe that if you're 1% that you actually got there through work,

01:05:20.700 right? They assume that it was handed to you, that you were lucky or something else. That's why,

01:05:25.240 that's why it's so easy to demonize people that are in that 1%.

01:05:28.340 It's way easier to demonize than it is to do the work, to get into the 1%.

01:05:33.000 Totally. Totally. It's just a BS excuse.

01:05:35.960 So be the 1% guys, join the iron council.

01:05:38.420 Yeah. And you make lots of money and be also in the financial 1%. I'm just joking.

01:05:42.180 No, maybe don't. No, do that. Absolutely do that.

01:05:45.600 Yeah. All right. Follow Ryan Mickler on Instagram at Ryan Mickler, Twitter's at order of man,

01:05:51.520 visit the, uh, order man, Facebook or website and visit the store. Apparently I need to,

01:05:57.980 you need to visit the store. I got a patch. There's a patch. There's a patch there for

01:06:01.200 my gear. There's a PVC patch. There's a cloth patch. It's all kinds of good stuff over there.

01:06:07.080 Yeah. And I need to get that testosterone shirt while I'm over there to see if it helps

01:06:10.960 increase my testosterone levels. There's no question. Of course it'll help.

01:06:14.640 Yeah. Since I get like 40 emails a day about my testosterone levels. Now that I'm an old man,

01:06:20.140 now that you're 39, you can feel you, you felt when you turned 39, your testosterone levels dropping

01:06:27.280 that actually is a real problem in society. We can talk about that another time, but there's a real

01:06:32.840 problem with, uh, our testosterone levels as young men and middle-aged men and old men. It's crazy.

01:06:39.340 And what's the opinion, right? Medicaid, right? So yeah, this, that's a good question. You guys

01:06:44.660 need to post that question. We can hash through that. And, and just to be funny, that's not the

01:06:48.260 only thing that's dropping with age. You are funny. You're the, you're the comedic relief in this,

01:06:57.040 uh, in this podcast. Yeah, I'll try. All right, man, let's wrap it up. Okay. Is that it?

01:07:03.380 Yes, sir. You're like, okay, that's a wrap. All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed this. We'll keep

01:07:08.060 going. Gotten some good feedback from you guys. We'll, uh, we'll keep doing this. Keep asking

01:07:11.280 your questions and then, uh, we'll connect with you guys next week. Until then, take action. Become

01:07:15.340 the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. You're

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