Order of Man - Do I Have What it Takes, Everything in Excellence, and Doing the Right Things

00:00:00.000 Let's say yesterday you got up and you just felt in the morning, 5 a.m., whatever time you get up,

00:00:04.680 you just felt like, man, I'm good. I'm ready to go. I'm rested. I'm ready to tackle this.

00:00:09.840 And you go and you have a good workout. And it shows. You got the pump and you're feeling it

00:00:13.720 and you're hitting new numbers, all this stuff. And then today you wake up and you feel like dog

00:00:17.900 crap and you're tired and you don't want to go in, but you decide, you know what, I'm going to go in.

00:00:22.660 And maybe you didn't get the best workout. Maybe you didn't get that same pump.

00:00:25.800 Which day counted more? Which day was actually better for you as a human being? Today.

00:00:32.600 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:00:37.840 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time. You are not easily

00:00:43.820 deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is

00:00:51.120 who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call

00:00:56.040 yourself a man.

00:01:00.240 Kip, what's up, man? Great to see you this Monday morning. I've been looking forward to

00:01:03.060 this conversation.

00:01:04.280 As always. As always. I expect you to look forward to this.

00:01:08.680 I do. Anytime I get to talk with you, you know, it's just the highlight of my hour. I won't

00:01:15.300 give you much more than that. It's not my day or a week. It's definitely the highlight of

00:01:19.760 the hour, though. Yeah, I'll get the hour. I'll take the hour.

00:01:23.940 I was thinking about it, actually, last night, because you and I, every time I've noticed

00:01:29.800 that there's a trend, because I go back and listen just with a critical ear to our podcast,

00:01:33.780 and we have a trend. And I don't know if you know what it is, but do you know where I'm

00:01:37.860 going with this?

00:01:39.120 I don't. I know it seems as though once we get a question answered, then that trend or

00:01:45.820 kind of there's a theme to the call, I've noticed.

00:01:48.780 That's true.

00:01:49.500 But you're saying there's a theme or a trend every single call. I have no idea, other than

00:01:55.160 this banter.

00:01:57.580 It is, but it's different. I've noticed that we are increasingly pessimistic about Monday

00:02:05.420 morning. Have you noticed that? Like every Monday, we're, oh, it's Monday. Oh, I'm busy.

00:02:12.240 I have this go. And it seems like we're complaining more and more about Monday.

00:02:16.000 Yeah. I'm okay stopping because I feel great today. So I do too. And I thought about it

00:02:23.300 last night because I've been thinking about it for weeks. I don't want to do that. If

00:02:27.880 something's not working, then why do we just keep doing it over and over and over again?

00:02:33.260 I like thinking that it's going to be better. So I actually feel really good today. It sounds

00:02:37.300 like you do too. I want to talk about that. But I thought about it last night, what I could

00:02:42.040 do differently to set Monday up right. And I did a couple of things that three or four

00:02:47.120 things that I just wanted to share real quick, because I feel like if we have something valuable

00:02:51.340 to share, if it helps, then we have an obligation to share it. So here's what I did. Starting

00:02:56.140 last night, I started my day off or closed my day off right. I did my battle plan last

00:03:04.000 night, about 90% of it, not knowing what emails would come through this morning and things

00:03:08.260 like that. I went to bed on time. I got the kids settled in, knew what I was going to do

00:03:13.660 the next day, pretty much straightened the house about 90, 95% of the way done, straightened

00:03:19.120 the house. And I felt a whole lot better just going to bed last night. And then I woke up

00:03:23.920 this morning and here's what I wrote down. I continued to straighten up the house that needed

00:03:27.580 to be straightened up. I took the kids to their mom's house, got the house the rest of the

00:03:32.000 way straightened up. I got up with enough time to do everything I needed to do. So go

00:03:37.580 to the gym, come back, shower, clean up, get ready, take the dog out, just the normal stuff

00:03:43.680 that I would normally do without having to stress myself out. And here's a big one. I

00:03:48.120 did no electronics this morning. I took one phone call and that was the only thing that I

00:03:53.420 did this morning. No emails, no jumping on social media, no like playing games on my

00:04:01.780 phone. No, none of that. And that made a huge difference too. So those don't seem

00:04:07.540 like really big deals, but it's made a difference this morning. And I've got this

00:04:13.380 thing completely mapped out. I've already got a bunch of stuff done. My room and

00:04:17.360 office is organized. The house is clean. I'm like, man, I'm ready to go today.

00:04:21.640 Yeah. I love that. Actually today was the same way I was on top of it. I mean, not only did

00:04:27.020 I get my workout workout done in time to get kids ready for school, I had time to

00:04:32.780 rake up some leaves, some pine cones in the front yard and do some yard work even this

00:04:37.640 morning. So, you know, preparation, right? It makes a difference.

00:04:43.940 It makes a difference, man. And it's, you know, what the interesting thing I think on

00:04:47.700 this too, Kip, is that it probably took me, I haven't really what I would say, quote

00:04:53.020 unquote, started my day yet. I haven't gotten into my activities and my tasks and

00:04:56.720 my to-dos and all that kind of stuff. So on one hand, you could say, well, I feel

00:05:01.460 better. And on the other, I know I have felt this way in the past and a lot of

00:05:05.460 other guys feel this way too, is that they feel like if they don't just hurry and

00:05:10.300 get right to everything that they're wasting the day. But I anticipate I'm going to

00:05:14.200 be much more efficient today because I did take a couple of hours to get it lined

00:05:19.460 out right. It's that old adage of if you have four hours to chop down a tree, you're

00:05:24.520 going to spend the first three hours sharpening the blade. That, that is what

00:05:28.460 comes to mind for me. Totally. We'll see how it goes today. Yeah, I love it. Do you

00:05:33.400 have a headline today? I don't have a specific headline, but I think what's on

00:05:37.920 everybody's minds and tongues is the Zelensky slash Trump Vance showdown. I don't

00:05:43.480 know if that's where you wanted to go this morning. No, I actually have something

00:05:46.360 else, but, um, you know, I figured you're probably going to touch base on

00:05:50.400 that. I mean, I have a lot of conflicting thoughts. I think that in principle, uh,

00:05:58.300 what, what Trump and Vance were doing was, was right. Like, Hey, you're going to

00:06:04.060 come here. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars. You're going to be

00:06:08.300 grateful and you're going to make concessions or we're just not going to do

00:06:12.380 business with you. Like that seems pretty easy to me. You know, there was

00:06:17.620 some, some harsh rhetoric in there. I didn't watch the entire thing, but I

00:06:21.160 watched more than the 45 second clip that is making the rounds right now. Yeah.

00:06:25.740 And there's a lot more to it. I also, I don't think highly of Zelensky. Um, I

00:06:30.380 think he's probably trying to do what's in his country's best interest. I think

00:06:35.740 he's corrupt. Um, I think there's a lot of money that is unaccounted for that needs

00:06:40.800 to be figured out. Yeah. Those are, that's our money. Literally that is our

00:06:44.860 money. Uh, he needs to make account and amends for that. But ultimately, you

00:06:50.980 know, you can show a little gratitude at a minimum that you're not playing in the

00:06:55.420 old administration. You're playing in a new administration where we actually

00:06:59.380 value our sovereignty and our country. And we're very aware of where our money's

00:07:04.000 being spent. You know, that said, I'm trying to be a little aware. I, I think a

00:07:09.700 lot, I'm, I'm an open book kind of guy, but I think a lot of that should have been

00:07:15.240 done behind closed doors, quite frankly. Totally. Because when it comes to

00:07:19.080 negotiations, when you start doing stuff like that, I think you lose some

00:07:23.720 leverage when you start to get into the kangaroo courts and the, and, and the

00:07:28.000 court of public opinion, and you lose some of your credibility and power in

00:07:32.160 discussions that might ought to take place with a specific few people without all

00:07:37.920 the media there and without the public scrutiny. And then afterwards we can talk

00:07:43.740 about what came of it, what the results were. That's a bit of a catch too, because

00:07:48.600 we do want transparency as Americans and we do want to know what's going on, but

00:07:53.140 also there's some diplomatic efforts that I think ought to take place behind

00:07:57.140 closed doors. Totally. Yeah. I mean, if we were going to have that conversation

00:08:00.480 with anybody, you would do it outside of the public preview and then come back and

00:08:05.960 allow him to save face and don't put him on blast in front of people. Like you're

00:08:10.000 just inviting the human nature is contention, contention. It's not going to

00:08:14.420 help you in that circumstance. Now, right. Do you call him out behind closed

00:08:19.480 doors? You're right. And say, Hey, this is unacceptable. Absolutely. You do that. I

00:08:25.780 just wouldn't have done it in front of the cameras, but no, because you're caused, like

00:08:29.840 you said, you're causing people to dig in. You know, if, if you and I kept had a

00:08:33.280 different direction about the way that this podcast was going to go or the

00:08:36.840 movement was going to go, yes, this is my movement. So obviously I ultimately

00:08:40.760 have the decision, but just let's say it's hypothetically we're in business

00:08:43.840 together. You and I are going to hash that out behind closed doors and then

00:08:47.740 we're going to come on a podcast or present it in a unified front or at least

00:08:53.660 a cooperate, maybe not unified. Cause when we're talking about Ukraine versus

00:08:57.760 America, it's may not alignment may not be there, but at least a coordinated

00:09:04.320 effort where we're both trying to get what we want out of the equation.

00:09:09.360 Totally. So I think, I think it was a missed opportunity. Although on the other

00:09:14.440 hand, I did appreciate the hardline stance that hasn't been taken for the

00:09:20.040 past, well, at least four years. Totally. Well, and I mean, do we expect

00:09:25.660 anything other than this from Trump? Right. Right. To publicly put someone on

00:09:30.840 blast. I mean, I don't think he's ever done that before. So yeah. And the,

00:09:35.800 the reality is to, it just, the way you saw it is what you already went into the,

00:09:41.560 into it thinking about Trump. If you were a fan of Trump, you thought it was

00:09:46.140 amazing. If you weren't a fan of Trump, you thought it was horrible. Yeah. And I

00:09:50.260 actually, one thing I started doing too, is following people I don't agree with on

00:09:55.060 Facebook and Twitter. It's really hard though. It's actually very difficult to do

00:09:59.300 because my blood sometimes just gets boiling and I want to comment, but I

00:10:05.300 don't, I'm just there to observe and see what other people think. It's kind of

00:10:09.820 funny. And also a lot of points, although I don't totally agree, have some validity

00:10:15.680 that I'm trying to be aware of. Totally. That's funny that you do that. I, I

00:10:19.120 actually have alternate accounts. Oh, you do that? I, that I follow all the

00:10:27.260 complete opposite things that I typically follow. That's funny. Just to, you know what

00:10:32.820 I mean? Get, cause it's self-fulfilling, right? The, you know, you're communicating

00:10:36.880 a circle who you follow. Yeah. It's an echo chamber. And so I'm like, okay, I'll join

00:10:40.800 that echo chamber too, you know, and just to read content. So I think it gives you a

00:10:46.700 new perspective and look, you don't, even when you follow other accounts, like I

00:10:50.720 would say don't engage. That's one thing I try not to do because those, okay, the

00:10:55.180 way that this happens is those people have already built their echo chamber the

00:10:59.480 same way I have. Yeah. So if I go into their echo chamber and I drop a bomb,

00:11:05.280 basically I'm just shaking up the hornet's nest for no good purpose other

00:11:08.560 than to get stung a thousand times. You're not going to do anything by shaking a

00:11:12.280 hornet's nest. Yeah. You're just going to get hurt. Yeah. So I don't even get

00:11:16.160 involved in that. Yeah. Yeah. Me either. I just silently watch. So I saw this, um,

00:11:22.980 this isn't surprising what I'm about to read because it's just what I always

00:11:27.700 assumed. And I've seen evidence of this in my own life. Um, but, uh, an Instagram

00:11:33.180 account that I actually don't follow, but I, I somehow saw this post, um, from

00:11:38.900 caring parent. And the question that they post here is, do your kids have epic

00:11:43.660 meltdowns after screen time. And I'm like, absolutely. In fact, my little guy,

00:11:49.360 if he's playing on, is he watching TV or something? And we're like, Hey, let's

00:11:52.720 grab dinner. He's just like a punk. And I'm just, and I use, I've already said

00:11:57.120 this like numerous times over the years of like, uh, it's cause we allowed him to

00:12:01.220 read the, you know, have screen time. I swear. Right. I had no evidence of it

00:12:06.120 though. This post, this post gives us evidence. Research, research shows there's

00:12:12.360 a real connection between screen overuse and anger outbursts. According to a

00:12:17.280 study published in the JMA pediatrics, children who spend more than three hours

00:12:23.560 a day on a screen are more likely to experience increased aggression and

00:12:28.880 emotional outbursts. Check this out. One study found that every hour spent on a

00:12:35.080 device, kids are 60% more likely to have emotional outbursts. One study found that

00:12:42.400 every hour spent on devices, kids are six. I already read that. So limiting, um, so

00:12:48.100 setting limits is crucial to helping bring back calm and emotional balance. Crazy.

00:12:53.980 So I just like that there's evidence of something I've already seen. Yeah.

00:12:57.840 Did it say why though? I mean, that's the real question. Why is it that screen time

00:13:02.300 agitates people like that? It doesn't. However, based upon other books that I've read, we're

00:13:07.640 talking about instant gratification and instant dopamine hits. And when you look at the amount

00:13:14.360 of dopamine a kid gets from like a screen or from a video game, it doesn't even compare to

00:13:22.360 the amount of dopamine that you and I used to get Ryan when like we did something good and

00:13:27.340 mom and dad went good job, little buddy. Like we would get a dopamine hit from it. But in

00:13:32.620 comparison, it doesn't even compare. So the feel goods from watching a screen are superior

00:13:40.320 to the brain and body than listening, than doing some hard work. And I actually think it's almost

00:13:47.860 like a dopamine addiction. And there it's like a withdrawal symptom of like getting frustrated

00:13:54.620 because that's so enticing. I wonder if I agree. I don't know, but at least intuitively, I would

00:14:03.940 tend to agree with that. I wrote this down as you were talking, but it almost is sounds like

00:14:08.020 potentially a dopamine crash the same way a kid would have a sugar crash. Yeah. Or you just pump

00:14:14.160 a kid full of sugar. And then all of a sudden it's like, bam, hits a wall, tired, throws temper tantrums,

00:14:20.220 very irritable, just like all of us when we're in that state. Totally. And I wonder if we have this

00:14:25.260 such a high, massively accelerated hit of dopamine over a sustained period of time that when that

00:14:33.520 dopamine function runs out or you crash, it's like you just go through the floor. I don't know, but

00:14:40.880 I'm sure Andrew Huberman has some ideas on that. I don't want to listen for three hours, but

00:14:45.580 I do like his, I do like his elemental or whatever they call it, his podcast, where he just takes out

00:14:52.620 highlights of a certain podcast and talks about it for 30 minutes. He did one on testosterone just

00:14:59.340 the other day. And that's always kind of an interesting subject to me. So those 30 minute

00:15:03.140 ones are good. Maybe it helps me with my dopamine regulation, not having to sit there and listen to

00:15:09.360 something for three hours. Cause all my monkey brain, uh, can handle is, uh, you know, 30 minutes

00:15:16.200 tops. Yeah. Yeah. Unless it's me talking and then I can just do that all day. So let's get into some

00:15:22.520 questions. We have our first questions from Eric. Yeah, go ahead. Hold on one second on that kit,

00:15:28.600 because you're doing these from, uh, our, from the iron council, right? Yes, sir. So I posed a little

00:15:34.400 bit of a different question. I said to these guys, I said, Hey, what is the number one most

00:15:40.700 pressing question every man ought to ask himself? So I don't know that it changes, but it's interesting

00:15:47.120 to see what these guys think we as men should be asking. And also I would encourage everybody who's

00:15:52.760 listening to think about what kind of questions you should be asking as a man in order to reach your

00:15:58.400 full potential or whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. Full disclosure. That's really funny

00:16:03.060 because now let me give myself some, some grace here. Ryan tags me on this post, right? This is

00:16:10.780 like a weekly thing. So I don't read what you write. What I assume what you wrote was. You don't read

00:16:16.860 what I read, right? You don't listen to what I say. That's nothing new. So we all know that. So,

00:16:22.200 but I always get this tag post, Kip and I are recording AMA or leave questions below. So I didn't

00:16:26.980 actually read it. And here's the funny part. When I was, when I was writing these questions down in

00:16:31.440 preparation for today, I was like, what's up with all these dumb ass questions? I was like,

00:16:39.260 really? Well, because without the context of what you said, when is my time up? How should I be

00:16:46.960 remembered? I'm like, I don't know, Joey, figure that shit out for yourself. Right? Like I was like,

00:16:52.980 totally being judgmental. As I read these questions, I'm like, why would these guys ask us this? So

00:16:58.520 maybe you ought to listen or read what I write every once in a while, Kip, if we're going to do

00:17:05.580 this thing together. Um, no, I thought it would be good because I thought it would just spur some

00:17:10.500 different types of questions, but I thought also we could answer it from our own lens. If we're

00:17:15.140 answering that question, I don't know. We'll just see how it goes. Yeah, no, no, it makes sense. And

00:17:19.620 it's a great idea. And it just illustrates how quick one could get into a space of judgment

00:17:25.500 because I was totally judging these guys for, for submitting dumb questions. So my apologies.

00:17:33.560 All right, let's get into it. Let's get into the first dumb question. All right. Eric Opime,

00:17:37.600 the question, am I enough? We can either test that or prove it true or avoid it or reveal we are not.

00:17:47.720 Am I enough? Yeah, I like that. That's a little bit of a play on John Eldridge's,

00:17:54.560 do I have what it takes question? I think in his book, wild at heart, John Eldridge talks about,

00:18:00.740 uh, a man's burning question is, do I have what it takes versus a woman's burning question is,

00:18:07.600 am I lovely or beautiful? I think is the term he uses. Meaning, am I worthy of being loved? And a

00:18:13.360 man's is, do I have what it takes to do what I need to do? And I think, I think you're right.

00:18:20.080 Like the only way to answer that question is not to ponder and pontificate on it. It's to test

00:18:26.480 yourself and you're going to find out in a lot of instances you don't. And I think what ends up

00:18:31.340 happening for a lot of men is they think, and I've used this analogy before, it's a period at the end

00:18:38.460 of a sentence. I don't have what it takes. So I'm a loser. I'm not a good dad. So I just wasn't meant

00:18:42.600 to be, I'm not getting ahead in my career. So I must be a failure. No, it's just, you don't have

00:18:48.760 what it takes right now. And then what I think we ought to be doing as a secondary question to that

00:18:54.580 is, okay, so therefore what, what is it that I need to do in order to be better? You know, if,

00:19:03.960 if you want to run a half marathon, I'm not, I can't do that today. Therefore what? Okay. Well,

00:19:11.220 I got to go run. I got to train my legs. I got to eat right. I got to hydrate. I got to

00:19:14.740 learn proper running technique. It's not that I can't ever do it. It's just, I can't do that right

00:19:19.740 now, but I can, if I test myself on a deeper level, it could be that your relationship is falling apart

00:19:27.560 and you think it's your fault. It might actually be partly. In fact, it is a hundred percent. It's

00:19:32.900 partly your fault. Okay. So what can you do about it? How can you be more empathetic? How can you be

00:19:39.500 more caring? How can you be more understanding? How can you work and be more diligent? How can you

00:19:46.040 overcome vices? How can you learn how to communicate better? It's just a little bit of a litmus test,

00:19:50.960 I believe, for figuring out ways that we can improve our lives. And that's why it's so important

00:19:55.320 that we have a system that will reverse engineer these types of questions so that I can fill this

00:20:03.000 out and say, okay, I'm not enough right now. So here's what I'm going to do for the next quarter

00:20:06.640 to prove to myself that I am. I love it. And wouldn't you say, Ryan, that the minute you'd

00:20:13.640 say, yes, I'm enough in the current state, that the, your mantle of responsibility just increases.

00:20:21.480 And then the question needs to be asked again, am I enough now where I am and now in my life? And

00:20:28.240 the answer may not be not right now, but you can be, and, and it keeps changing, right? So how do we,

00:20:36.100 and assuming that you believe with that, how do we find grace and celebrate the progress,

00:20:44.420 knowing that the question, the answer to this question may be no constantly as we level up

00:20:50.600 throughout life? The first thing I believe a man needs to do is realize that reaching your potential

00:20:58.160 is a crock of shit. You, you need to come to terms with that. And that's not meant to say that you

00:21:05.900 always are supposed to live a life of inferiority. It just means you'll never reach. What does that

00:21:12.560 even mean? Reach your potential? Who said that you have this cap that you're supposed to fill up? And

00:21:18.620 once you're there, your purpose or your mission is over. Well, you should just die then because

00:21:23.600 like, what more is there for you to do? And, and so your potential is dynamic to your question about

00:21:31.940 how do you give yourself some grace or how do you be excited about the wins? I think

00:21:37.380 you'd be excited about it. That's it. You just decide, Hey, I accomplished something I haven't done

00:21:43.980 before. And I went running over the weekend and, um, a couple of days ago I went, I ran three miles

00:21:50.220 straight and some people might say, well, that's it. I don't care what you think for me. Yeah. That's

00:21:58.000 it. That's all I did. And the next day. So this was yesterday. I'm like, you know what? I think I can

00:22:04.760 get four miles in. And I went four miles and it actually wasn't, it was easier for some reason than

00:22:11.340 the three miles. Maybe it was something about my mindset or what I ate or I don't know, whatever,

00:22:15.620 but it was easier. And so today I'm going to go run five. I think I can do five, but I still honor

00:22:21.660 that I hit three and I still honor that I hit four. I'm still excited about that because if you would

00:22:27.120 have asked me to do that a month ago, a month ago, no way I would not have been able to do that a month

00:22:32.060 ago. So just honor what you've done. Look how far you've come, um, celebrate appropriately. You know,

00:22:41.980 we don't need to make a big deal out of everything, but it might just give yourself a little pat on the

00:22:46.740 back or just sit in the fact that you did it. Um, and then drive on to the next thing. But I, I,

00:22:55.100 the older I get, the more that I'm trying to be aware of celebrating what I've done appropriately. I

00:23:01.460 want to make sure I say that appropriately. Well, and you and I, we've had this conversation that,

00:23:06.480 that we by default operate in what I call the gap, right? It's not enough. There's more to be done.

00:23:14.100 What is available next? Yeah. And it's, and, and sometimes, you know, you fail to celebrate the

00:23:19.420 progress, right. And, and see what has happened and what progress we have made. So if we're not

00:23:24.380 intentional about it, you know, I have this ideal state that never gets reached. Right. And it's,

00:23:29.340 uh, you know, it gets tiresome sometimes.

00:23:31.860 I just got the book. Well, I just ordered it. It should be here today. I got an email this

00:23:37.180 morning, the gap in the gain, which is one that you highly recommend. I haven't read it yet. So

00:23:40.960 it should be here today. That's great. Yeah. You'll love it. All right. Aaron Cobb,

00:23:45.480 this is the question that ultimately led me to the iron council, which is what is my purpose?

00:23:54.460 Hmm. Well, here's what I think about that. I think a lot of men

00:24:00.520 are waiting for their purpose to find them or to reveal itself. Yeah. Yeah. Like this

00:24:12.100 clouds parting God on high descending with a golden trumpet from his cloud and the doves and the birds.

00:24:21.360 And that's at least that's not how it worked for me. And I'd be willing to bet that any successful

00:24:28.380 person on this planet, it did not work like that for them either. We have to go uncover it. We have

00:24:36.180 to go mine it. I was watching my son. He's playing Minecraft and you have to go mine it. You have to

00:24:42.900 like dig it out of wherever it is. And the only way that you can do that is by getting useful with

00:24:48.020 tools, knowing how to use them correctly, and then exploring and taking risks and trying new things and

00:24:53.940 going into places that you haven't looked before and experimenting and being willing to fail and

00:25:00.100 willing to falter. And even when things don't work out, acknowledge that you learned something from

00:25:04.880 that. The story I often tell is the podcast. You know, I had another podcast before this called

00:25:10.340 Wealth Anatomy and I did about 20 or so episodes and realized very quickly, this was a great medium.

00:25:16.820 I love podcasting and I did immediately, but I didn't want to have that continued conversation of

00:25:22.940 helping people with their finances. So I pivoted. I said, here's an interesting subject on the subject

00:25:28.960 of being a better man and a husband and a father and a leader in your community. Let's just talk about

00:25:33.060 that. And now I can confidently say this is my life's mission. This is my purpose, at least from a

00:25:38.700 professional and personal pursuit standpoint. Of course, my kids and that, you know, that sort of thing,

00:25:44.300 but a personal pursuit, this is what it is. I never would have uncovered that if I wasn't willing

00:25:50.720 to take a risk with a podcast. And also I wasn't willing to take the risk of quitting that in order

00:25:57.880 to pivot into this. Yeah. I find this question interesting. We've used the analogy sometimes

00:26:06.480 that you don't know how to summit the peak until you go over a particular ridge, right? And we get to

00:26:11.740 that first ridge and then it's a false summit, or you realize that like, shit, there's five more

00:26:17.220 ridges. And, and, and I kind of liked that analogy applied to this idea of purpose. Guess what the

00:26:24.740 purpose is initially? The first ridge, that's the purpose. And then once I'm on that ridge, I go, ah,

00:26:32.100 evolved, changed. Ah, now my purpose is something else. And so I love this idea that there's not

00:26:38.360 my purpose. There is the purpose or the area of my life that I've chosen to take on. And, and I also

00:26:46.120 think it will evolve and change. Now with that all said, I do feel this and let me know your thoughts,

00:26:53.440 but I don't think anyone will find fulfillment, meaning and purpose in their life unless it's rooted

00:27:01.680 in the service of others. Of course. And so be outside of yourself. Yeah. And, and it has to be,

00:27:11.080 that's where legacy lives. It lives in other people, not you, not in a book. It's, it's literally

00:27:16.820 in the impact that you leave in other individuals. And so ultimately I think the ultimate purpose for

00:27:22.260 all of us is to love our neighbor, to serve our neighbor in some way. And that's purpose. Now,

00:27:29.140 how you do that, I think that evolves and changes over time based upon our own development, based upon

00:27:36.360 who we are, based upon our own personal growth. And, and maybe we, I have a substantial purpose

00:27:42.480 based upon where I am today. But as I evolve, that purpose changes with me and I figure out other ways

00:27:49.080 to serve and love those, uh, in my life. And so I don't think it's my purpose. I think it's the purpose

00:27:57.020 I choose to take on in the service of my fellow men. Well, and also you can find purpose in anything

00:28:04.640 that you're doing in any given moment, if that's what you're looking for. Yeah. You know, I think so

00:28:09.600 many times to go back to the analogy of the false summits and hiking, we're so focused on what's over

00:28:15.840 the ridge, what's over the ridge, what's over the ridge that we forget, whoa, there's actually

00:28:19.840 something I can learn here. And I think that's one of the only little caveats I would give to your

00:28:25.940 statement. When you said, what's the purpose, the next ridge, I actually don't think that's the

00:28:30.880 destination that you're on. Yeah. Well, it's, it's the step that you're taking right now.

00:28:36.480 Yeah. It's this step. It's, it's learning. It's making your body stronger. It's learning

00:28:43.540 proper technique. It's developing the right tools. It's making mistakes in low risk, low cost

00:28:51.280 environments. It's getting, building up more stamina. It's all of the things that make this

00:28:57.960 step that you're currently on the most important. And so what I would say to anybody who's struggling

00:29:02.180 with purpose is do everything that you're currently doing to the nth degree. Yeah. So for example,

00:29:09.100 I might say, I want to have this world renowned, most downloaded podcast ever in the history of

00:29:14.740 man. That's not what I want by the way, but let's just say it was. Then the words that I'm saying

00:29:21.080 right now are the only thing that matters right now. And the cameras that I use and the microphones

00:29:28.060 that we utilize and the way that our lighting works and the technology that's available to us

00:29:33.940 and the way that we prepare are the only things that matter right now, because that's, what's going

00:29:38.560 to get us to the next thing. So if you're, I hate to, I hate to use this analogy because it's stupid,

00:29:44.220 but people will get it. If you, if you're a janitor at the high school, but you want to be

00:29:49.560 in, in, in education and you want to be an administrator at the school or at the district

00:29:54.980 level, then make sure that that bathroom stall that you're cleaning right now is as clean as a

00:30:01.560 human being could possibly get it. And I think that will have a greater impact on you becoming

00:30:07.540 some sort of school administrator than pursuing and chasing unnecessary titles and roles and things

00:30:13.740 that aren't important in the grand scheme of things. And you talk about this all the time,

00:30:17.160 guys talk about dissatisfaction at work. Hold on a second. Have you done everything to

00:30:22.980 the nth degree? Because if you did, you might actually find out two things that you're not

00:30:28.120 dissatisfied. You were dissatisfied with your own performance and you'll find other opportunities

00:30:33.640 that will now present themselves because you're opening yourself up to new connections, new

00:30:39.200 relationships, excellence. People see that and you're going to create opportunities that did

00:30:43.340 not exist before. Kyle Taylor, how do you get out of bed for every day?

00:30:53.940 I'm trying to think about that in the, in the frame of what's the question every man should

00:31:00.480 be asking himself. Say it one more time. How do you get out of bed for every day? Or maybe it's like,

00:31:07.480 maybe he's trying to say, what do you get out of bed for? What's the reason? Yeah. What's the

00:31:11.800 reason? Right. The purpose, the meaning. Yeah. I think we kind of hit on that one. Yeah. Just

00:31:18.760 whatever's on your to-do list today, be exceptional. That's it. When you like, I've got some, some bills

00:31:26.580 here I got to pay. When I go to put those in an envelope and write a check, write the check with

00:31:32.260 excellence. Put the stamp on correctly, square it with the edges, write the address legibly.

00:31:41.140 Like when you go drop it off at the post office, do it with a smile on your face and compliment the

00:31:46.780 person at the post office or greet the person in line. When you're driving down the road, like what

00:31:52.840 does your car look like? Is it thrashed? Is it gross? Is it ugly? Is it clutter? Is it chaos? Because if it

00:31:57.280 is, that is spilling into other aspects of your life. Totally. So I, I think if you are lacking

00:32:05.800 a purpose, like we talked about in that last question, then your purpose should be do whatever

00:32:11.920 you're doing today with excellence. Yeah. Everything with excellence. And maybe in the spirit of getting

00:32:18.260 out of bed, you know, for Kyle's part of this is what's the plan today? What's, what's on the docket

00:32:26.320 for Monday morning? Or is the alarm going off and you're just like a victim of the day, right? You're

00:32:34.160 just like, oh, the day's here, but you're not about it, right? Like I'm going to accomplish these things.

00:32:39.600 I'm going to do these things today. Like if we're not planning our work, then we can't work our plan,

00:32:46.140 right? And, and our plan of making an impact needs to be known. And you're not just being a passive

00:32:54.540 bystander in, in your, in your Monday morning. I mean, I think that's the other thing that I

00:33:01.700 think goes in line with that is your attitude, because it's easy to be in a good mood when things

00:33:08.500 are going really well. It's infinitely harder to be in a good mood, a productive mood, an excellent

00:33:13.580 mood when things aren't going your way, obviously. Right. But if you can learn to regulate yourself

00:33:19.740 and be in a good mood, even when things aren't falling together the way that you'd like, I last

00:33:25.320 night I was watching a beast games with my kids. Have you watched that show? I saw like the first

00:33:32.140 episode once when we were down at the lake house with the kids. And I was like, this is crazy. Like

00:33:37.120 kind of like, like a mine F, right? Some of the stuff that they do. It's crazy. And it gets better.

00:33:44.300 We're not done yet. So I'm not going to give any spoilers because I don't know what they are,

00:33:47.840 but I think we have three more, two or three more episodes. Yeah. But it's very interesting. It's a

00:33:53.520 very interesting psychological game. It's, it's human behavior on, on trial. Like it's very

00:33:59.420 interesting. He did a great job with it. But the reason I brought it up is because there was this

00:34:04.020 woman on the show and she had just an attitude, just a, just a complete attitude. She poor behavior

00:34:11.460 to everybody and like victim mentality and everybody's out to get her and nobody's helping her. And she's

00:34:17.260 just a very unlikable person. Yeah. And then she ended up getting into a game and she started to

00:34:24.300 do very well. And I caught myself. I'm like, Oh, she's actually growing on me. I like her more.

00:34:29.420 And I liked her more because of her attitude. She was positive and she was upbeat. I'm like, cool.

00:34:34.200 And then she got into another game on the next episode and she started to fall behind and she went

00:34:38.820 back into the victim mentality. Oh, it's because I'm a woman. It's because I'm a black woman. This is just

00:34:44.440 the way that the world works. I'm like, Ooh, I don't like her again. And what I realized is

00:34:50.620 it wasn't that I liked her because she was getting better or winning. It was, I liked her because she

00:34:56.420 had a better attitude. Like that's it. And if we can regulate our attitude, not to say you're never

00:35:04.940 going to be in a bad mood or you can't express yourself when you're feeling down, but if you can

00:35:08.980 regulate that and decide, you know what? I'm just going to be excited today. Just because

00:35:13.200 I'm going to be optimistic. I'm going to be hopeful. I'm going to be excited when things

00:35:17.580 don't work out. I'm going to look at them as opportunities for growth. Not only are you going

00:35:23.180 to be a more likable person, but you're going to like yourself more and that's invaluable.

00:35:27.780 Totally. Well, and, and it goes without saying, I guess, but I want to call it out. It's just

00:35:34.040 why? And the reason why is because how we show up, how we confront the difficulties in life

00:35:41.840 impacts those around us. Right. And, and we're so self-centered about our experience and how we're

00:35:49.960 feeling about a circumstance that we fail to forget the, the tidal wave of emotion and how

00:35:55.880 it lifts people up or brings them down. And it's, it's funny how we get into the box and we're just

00:36:01.180 like, Oh, I'm dealing with this. And it's like, yeah, got it. I mean, I think I've shared this on

00:36:04.740 the podcast, right? My, my dad passed away on my birthday. And so it's, it's kind of like messed up

00:36:10.580 my birthday a little bit. Right. And I think it was the anniversary of his death. And my,

00:36:15.540 my daughter Kika wrote in the letter, she's like, happy birthday, dad. We love you, but

00:36:21.460 your sadness about your dad's death affects all of us. So please get over it. And I'm like, dude,

00:36:31.080 like she's right. She's totally right. You know? And, and I don't know, but I, I even use that as a

00:36:37.760 pulse check, Ryan. I, I use it as a pulse check to say, if I can't emotionally deal with what I'm

00:36:43.460 dealing with right now, I'm not ready for the next thing. If I can't deal with what I'm dealing

00:36:49.640 with right now in a positive mindset, then the Lord's not ready to give me the next challenge.

00:36:56.140 And so I got to figure this out so I can take on bigger things. Otherwise I'm going to be, I'm capped.

00:37:02.360 And you know, I would say I, that's, that's great. I love that perspective. And I would also say,

00:37:08.520 it's not just a matter of faking it. Cause some people will like, Oh, I'm just going to be happy.

00:37:11.680 It's like, no, no, no. Yeah. Get to the root of the problem. So you're actually dealing with it.

00:37:15.320 So you can be excited, hopeful, and optimistic, optimistic in spite of things not going your way.

00:37:22.240 Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. All right. Frank, I wrote another thing. Oh yeah. I wrote one more thing down

00:37:27.520 here. Yeah. So I wrote this down. Attitude creates opportunities. Cause I want to go back to that.

00:37:31.960 And this can't be overstated. It's very, very crucial. Um, when things don't go your way,

00:37:37.740 most people throw themselves pity parties. Woe is me. God's out to get me. This is my punishment

00:37:45.240 for something. Um, everybody hates me. I'm a victim because of these immutable characteristics. It's

00:37:51.520 gross. It's repulsive, but it also closes yourself off to, off to opportunities. I'll give you a very

00:37:57.040 small example. Um, over the weekend, the end of last week, cryptocurrency, um, declined quite a bit.

00:38:05.020 And every time it declines, you see on social media, Oh, this is stupid. And I'm selling all

00:38:11.100 my shares and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I went in and I'm like, sweet, I'm going to go buy some.

00:38:16.820 Yeah. So I went in, bought some crypto and I already own Bitcoin. I own quite a bit actually. So,

00:38:21.840 so I was, I was thinking, cool, I'll go in and buy some. And I started to look through my ledger

00:38:26.400 of when I bought, I bought crypto when it was like 10,000 and I bought it and I've held it for that

00:38:34.300 long. Yeah. And I hold it because like, there's, I think there's opportunity there. And when everybody

00:38:42.960 else, and this is just maybe my marketing or my financial background, when everybody else is

00:38:47.180 freaked out and they're scared and they're pessimistic about it and thinking, Oh, the

00:38:51.460 world's going to collapse. It's the people who are hopeful and optimistic that take advantage of

00:38:56.220 opportunities. And so somebody might say, well, I wish I would have done what you did when 10 years

00:39:00.560 ago. Well, you could have, you absolutely could have, but you were so pessimistic about podcasting

00:39:08.220 or about crypto or about that business venture or about this or about that, that actually kept you

00:39:14.960 blinded to the opportunity of the people that you're now looking up to that took advantage of

00:39:22.760 the opportunity when you were so pessimistic about it. Totally. And, and I'm not saying just

00:39:27.960 because you're optimistic, things are always going to work out in your favor, but more often than not,

00:39:32.420 I think, yes, they are. Well, and, and I talked about this over the weekend, you know, being in a space

00:39:38.040 of a victim mindset, there is no self-evaluation, right? Because the problem is always somewhere else,

00:39:43.640 right? The problem is the system, the problem is somewhere else. So guess what? Worst case,

00:39:47.780 what you're not doing is learning. You don't even self-evaluated like you're rolling it because

00:39:54.100 you're so busy pushing blame and allocating blame towards someone else that God forbid that you

00:39:58.820 actually consider anything that you ever did in the search, in the search, in the situation. So you

00:40:04.100 don't even get to learn either. It's true. It's true. All right. What's next? Frank Foreman.

00:40:11.580 What's your next look like when you're ready to retire? I'm good after more than 32 years as a

00:40:17.820 professional firefighter, now farmer homesteader, but too often we don't think about it and stay

00:40:23.360 beyond the time we should have moved on. Yeah. I think Frank is, Frank's a good friend. He's been

00:40:29.400 in the iron council for nine years, eight, nine years now. Um, retired firefighter did a lot in

00:40:35.560 Southern California with crisis management. They, they could have actually probably used him,

00:40:40.720 uh, just in the last several months. And he went off to Montana to become Grizzly Adams and he's

00:40:47.200 just living his best life up there. So mountain man up there. Yeah. Oh, he is. I love it though.

00:40:52.000 Every time he's on a call. I mean, I wish Frank, you were a little bit more sometimes engaged in what

00:40:57.800 we were talking about, but to see you planting trees and putting posts in the ground and stringing

00:41:03.880 fence and breaking horses and churning your own butter or whatever it is you're doing up there,

00:41:10.620 forging knives, I'm sure is in there learning how to shoe horses. It's actually pretty cool.

00:41:17.200 And I really commend Frank for following his dreams and being a homesteader. He's been talking about it

00:41:23.120 ever since I've known him, like I said, eight or nine years. Yeah. And to see a man that had that vision

00:41:28.460 of what he wanted to do afterwards so that he could start writing beforehand, his next chapter,

00:41:34.900 he's done it. I mean, I won't say flawlessly cause I'm sure he would not agree with that,

00:41:39.800 but he's done it from the outside looking in, um, pretty well. And that's pretty inspiring for me.

00:41:46.240 Yeah. So how do we prepare for the next step, right? For retirement?

00:41:53.040 Yeah. I, I don't know because it's not really, it's not really on my radar right now. And I think

00:42:01.760 that's okay. Yeah. I don't, I can't, I would like to travel a little bit more, you know, at some

00:42:07.640 point I do now, but I'd like to travel just a little bit more relaxing and see the world a little

00:42:12.820 bit more. Um, maybe do some different adventures. And a lot of that I can do with what I'm currently

00:42:22.120 with my current job, which is nice. Maybe that's part of the answer is finding a way to embrace as

00:42:28.480 a profession, what you do personally. I started thinking about this, um, this idea where I would go,

00:42:35.160 uh, visit interesting men doing interesting things and then do maybe like a vlog type series,

00:42:41.660 a day in the life of. So I just got a phone call earlier today, but I told you I wasn't on the

00:42:45.900 phone this morning. I saw that he called his name's Dwayne Noel. He was on the podcast a couple of years

00:42:51.600 ago, but he owns dry Creek Wrangler school and he trains horses and he teaches people. I don't know

00:43:00.000 if it's equine therapy. I doubt just knowing him, he would call it that, but you guys get the picture.

00:43:06.140 Anyways, I told him, I said, Hey, I want to come out and train and ride horses with you.

00:43:11.520 He's like, let's do it. Tell me when he had just moved. And so I'm going to go out there and do

00:43:16.020 that with him. I'm going to go see John Eldridge next week, going to Nashville, the following,

00:43:20.500 like I can do this stuff now. Maybe that's part of the answer. Find a way to integrate. By the way,

00:43:27.100 with Frank too, if you think about what Frank did in his profession, crisis management,

00:43:31.280 emergency preparedness, I mean, he's taking a lot of his skillset and using that in his retired life

00:43:38.000 as much as he was in his, his, his professional life. Have you seen people retire Ryan in their

00:43:43.920 health tanks, whether it's mental or physical for men, it's they're notorious for men. Yeah. I,

00:43:51.440 for me, I've, I've seen enough close people to me that retirement ends up being like almost like

00:43:56.720 this bad thing. You're like, shit, man, you should have kept working. You would have been better off.

00:44:00.360 Right. And I think it's because, and I'm, I'm judging those people a little harshly right now,

00:44:06.140 but I think those people found their identity and purpose in their title and their job.

00:44:11.640 And when it got taken away, then they lacked meaning and purpose in their life. And so when I think about

00:44:18.480 retirement, um, I'm just doubling down on what's my meaning and purpose and making sure that I

00:44:25.680 transition to that mission and making sure I just don't have this idea of like, well, I'll just have

00:44:30.960 fun and vacations. Like that's not enough, right? Like it's not about, don't get me wrong. I want to

00:44:36.720 enjoy life, but that's not enough to keep living. And, and so there has to be purpose and meaning to

00:44:43.680 whatever retirement looks like. Well, yeah, I think about it now when I go on vacation, I'm on vacation

00:44:50.100 for three days. I'm like, okay, yeah, that's, I need something to do. Even going to the beach for

00:44:55.200 the afternoon. I've told people this before men always bring a shovel to the beach always. Cause

00:45:02.200 a man just can't sit still on a beach. Like he can't, he can't just sit there and just bake in

00:45:08.220 the sun, like a blizzard on a rock in the desert. Like he has to go do something. So maybe you serve

00:45:14.280 snorkel, bodyboard, whatever, but build sandcastles. But for me, bringing a shovel is, is my saving. And

00:45:21.660 what do I do? I build a bit, I dig a big hole and I play king of the hole with my kids. And that's

00:45:28.100 a little purpose driven. Um, I think that's probably why Frank is doing pretty well in retirement because

00:45:33.860 he's not, he didn't write off into the sunset. Like he's working every day. He's probably, he

00:45:39.700 might be working harder now, at least physically than maybe he was when he was down in California.

00:45:47.840 And I think that's why he's going to have a successful retirement because he's still

00:45:52.420 working. And I don't think, by the way, you were judging too harshly. I think this is just well known.

00:45:57.300 You know, it's why military members and LEOs in general, first responders have such a difficult

00:46:03.600 time. Even, even athletes have such a difficult time. You know, you take a young kid who gets out

00:46:09.540 of high school, maybe does a year or two or four years of college, or even out of high school into

00:46:13.580 college now that they can get paid. And all of a sudden you give a kid a $10 million plus contract

00:46:20.080 and then he gets hurt, permanently injured where he can't ever play basketball, for example, again,

00:46:26.400 and that gets taken from him. Dude, notorious for just constant struggle and dying alone and broke.

00:46:35.980 Actors go through the same thing. Military members, high, high suicide rates because of, I think,

00:46:42.300 what you're saying. Wrapping your identity in your current thing and not figuring out what's next.

00:46:47.920 Yeah. All right. Javier Gomez, when putting into perspective, the path that I've been walking,

00:46:53.860 I've realized that it's not what I'm passionate about. How can someone gain a clear perspective

00:46:59.520 on what passion to follow? I think we, I think we kind of hit on this, but again, here, I want to

00:47:06.560 reiterate, look for little, just little hidden things where you've never looked before.

00:47:15.220 That's where you're going to start to uncover things that you've never experienced.

00:47:18.720 Because if you keep looking in the same place, you're going to find what you've always found.

00:47:25.680 You have to look in a new place. And so if a friend calls you up and says,

00:47:32.480 well, I'll give you an example. So years and years ago, I had a, not even a friend, just an

00:47:38.820 acquaintance. His name's Wes. And he was on the podcast and we kind of loosely texted and communicated

00:47:46.160 every once in a while. And he's like, Hey man, do you want to go to the Bahamas with me?

00:47:50.980 And I'm like, kind of a request. Yeah. Okay. I was like, yeah. I mean the Bahamas shirt. Like,

00:47:59.180 yeah. He's like, cool. I got you a plane ticket or I got not a plane ticket. I got you a ticket.

00:48:04.660 Your, your, your stays all completely covered. And I was like, what? I guess super skeptical. I'm like,

00:48:11.300 this, this is weird, man. What, like, what's the catch? What do you, he's like, well, there is a

00:48:15.460 catch. Okay. Yeah, obviously. What is it? And he's like, well, you have to do a Spartan race.

00:48:23.500 And I'm like, okay, like how, what is a Spartan race? And he said, it's a three mile race and it's

00:48:29.320 in the Bahamas. There's like 10 or 15 obstacles. It's three miles. And then we'll be on the cruise the

00:48:34.000 rest of the time. I'm like, okay, I think I can handle that. Like, that's it. He's like, oh yeah,

00:48:38.840 there's one other catch. I'm like, okay, okay. What is it? He's like, it's in three days.

00:48:45.600 And I had, I had at least two, if not three kids at that time. Yeah. Probably two at that time.

00:48:52.540 And I said, it's in three days. He's like, yeah, it's in three days. I'm like, okay, let's do it.

00:49:00.040 And we made it work, went to the Bahamas, did the race, enjoyed time with him. And, you know,

00:49:06.400 I don't know if it led to anything amazing, but it was an, it was a great trip. And then I ended up

00:49:11.560 doing two Spartan trifectas. I ended up doing later the Spartan agogi. I ended up getting back on track

00:49:18.720 with my health and my fitness. Like I haven't done a Spartan in years at this point, but I found a new

00:49:24.480 sense of engagement in physical health through just saying yes. Yeah. How out of, out of a hundred

00:49:32.380 people, and I want you to answer this honestly, Kip, out of a hundred people, the people, you know,

00:49:38.060 best, the people who are closest to you. If you called and said, Hey, I've got a spot for you in

00:49:42.060 the Bahamas in three days, if you can make it, I have a ticket with your name on it out of a hundred.

00:49:47.500 How many people do you think would go do that?

00:49:52.060 Five, 10. I was going to say three, four, somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah. Very many.

00:49:57.140 And look, there's all sorts of reasons, some legitimate, some that are not, but the point

00:50:02.060 that I'm making is that the three to five out of the hundred are the ones who are going to find

00:50:06.520 something new that the other 97 people don't get to take part in because the kids, because the work,

00:50:14.400 because of this, because of that. And some, again, some of those reasons are justified. I get it. But

00:50:20.160 if you're saying no, every single time, some little opportunity passes you up,

00:50:25.920 what cool things are you missing out on that could actually unlock the door to your next great

00:50:32.380 passion in life. But you said no, because it was a little out of your way or because it was a little

00:50:40.100 more than you wanted to spend or, but because it wasn't exactly as convenient as it could have

00:50:45.160 otherwise been. Yeah. Start exploring, look for all these veins. You're going to find new things.

00:50:50.060 I love it. I, I was talking about these faulty assumptions that we make as leaders to

00:50:55.480 invest in our learning. And, and the last one I talk about is what I call someday, right? The,

00:51:03.120 the eighth day of the week that the current week is just too busy and that things will lighten up and

00:51:11.200 work won't be so busy and you won't have as many things busy at home and it will be more convenient

00:51:16.940 someday. And it's false. It's a lie, right? Cause this week looks a lot like last week and the chaos

00:51:27.900 of life seems a lot like it was the month before and the month before that. Right. And so if we don't

00:51:33.920 prioritize certain things, it's, it's going to pass us by. Well, the thing that I often hear about

00:51:41.220 is this concept of making time. Like if it's important, you'll make time, but here's the deal.

00:51:46.280 I'm, you know, me, I'm very logical. A lot of ways, very pragmatic, like pretty black and white

00:51:51.980 thinking. And here's my thought on that. You can't make time. You're not God. So you, therefore you

00:51:58.500 cannot manufacture time. It's just not a thing you can do. You can leverage time. You can trade time.

00:52:05.700 You can delegate so that it frees up more of the time that you have to spend on other things. But

00:52:10.480 ultimately here's the answer. You have to sacrifice. So if somebody comes to you and says,

00:52:18.220 Hey, I've got a trip to the Bahamas. You don't get to just make time out of your ass. Something has to

00:52:23.420 give either the trip to the Bahamas gives or something else gives. And I think we ought to spend a

00:52:30.140 little more time because we're only on this planet for about 72 years on average. We ought to take a

00:52:37.100 little more time and say, you know what? Maybe that trip is exactly what I should be doing right now

00:52:43.560 and what needs to give. Well, I need to tell my boss that project's going to be three days late

00:52:49.040 or I need to bring somebody else in to do it and hire somebody else to do it. And maybe they're going

00:52:54.440 to do an inferior job, but that's the sacrifice. There's, you talk about this a lot. There's always a

00:52:59.640 cost. There's a cost of not going to the Bahamas and guys, the Bahamas is a metaphor. Okay. There's

00:53:05.920 a cost for not going to the Bahamas and there's a cost to go to the Bahamas. And I would say more

00:53:11.520 often the trip is going to be better than what's currently happening. Yeah. All right. Matthew

00:53:18.920 Potter, um, he just finished reading gap in the game. And so his questions kind of rooted in that book.

00:53:25.820 He says, am I better than the man I was yesterday? I mean, that's a good question.

00:53:32.840 There's the, uh, what is it called? The Kaizen method? 1% better every day.

00:53:38.180 I've thought about that from my pragmatic side. Tell me what you think about this, Kip.

00:53:43.780 I mean, you can't get 1% better every day indefinitely. It's just not possible.

00:53:49.520 So what do you think about that? I mean, I think it's, it's the attempt to be better,

00:53:57.600 right? I think it's, it's this, you know, as long as I'm not giving up, but am I going to be better

00:54:04.060 today? Maybe I'm not actually, maybe life presents something different at me and I go and I fell today.

00:54:10.900 And, but I learned, so is it really a failure? Um, as long as I'm getting back to it tomorrow.

00:54:18.400 And so I say that knowingly that I don't do that very well. Um, that my, my typical, I don't have

00:54:26.920 such a positive attitude about that, but I know that's what I should be doing. Uh, realizing that

00:54:31.940 I need to give myself some grace and realize that sometimes I might step backwards and that's okay.

00:54:37.220 And that's part of stepping forward. It's a good point. I was thinking about this with lifting.

00:54:45.980 Like when you first go into the gym for, for a man who's relatively healthy, maybe has some extra

00:54:52.260 weight that he needs to get rid of, but relatively healthy, maybe athletic 10, 15, 20 years ago in

00:54:56.900 school or something like that. You can start to notice some real big gains really quickly and getting

00:55:04.120 1% better on your lifts is actually not all that hard with a little consistency up to a certain

00:55:12.200 point. There's this guy I see at the gym every day. He's got a great physique. He's got a big chest,

00:55:18.900 big back, good, strong arms. Like he's just a good, good physique, a physique that I'd be like,

00:55:24.060 I would be proud of if I had that physique. And I thought I got a little deflated because I started

00:55:29.080 thinking about it. I'm like, man, I see this guy in here every day. And I can look in the mirror and

00:55:33.760 say, I'm getting bigger. I can, like I've noticed over the past three months, I'm getting bigger,

00:55:38.420 stronger. Like I feel bigger. And, um, but he's not. Yeah. He may have plateaued or he's maintaining.

00:55:48.440 Yeah. And I'm not, that's not a knock on him at all. Cause he's in there busting his ass way harder

00:55:53.180 than I am at the gym every day. And he's not getting any bigger. So that could be a little

00:55:57.940 demoralizing. And what I started thinking about is going back to what I said earlier about, um,

00:56:06.560 not just the, what you're trying to accomplish, but doing it with excellence. So when I see him at

00:56:12.960 the gym, he does not cut corners. I can see him. I can see him evaluating how he's supposed to hold

00:56:20.240 the bar, how he's supposed to hold the weight or making sure he's getting proper depth or doing it

00:56:24.660 with the right pace and the right tempo. And for a person like that, 1% better, not might not be

00:56:31.020 1% more on his deadlift this week over last week. It might just be that his form was a little bit more

00:56:37.760 crisp or he got just a few more minutes of sleep, which helped them get a little bit more energy and

00:56:43.420 recovery so that now we can go in there. And I think at some point for high achievers, it becomes

00:56:49.160 less about the result. The results will come, but it's that law of diminishing return. And it becomes

00:56:55.980 more about doing things with excellence. Like, did you actually show up the right way? That to me is

00:57:01.980 what 1% better every day means is because there's always a little thing that you can do to improve

00:57:08.220 that much better. Totally. Regardless of the outcome. In that same subject, I have completely,

00:57:14.960 some days I have great work, a great workout, right? The, the pump is on fire. It feels like

00:57:24.300 I'm doing calves, but it's my chest. It's on fire. I'm just like, dude, I'm just, I'm veining out. I'm

00:57:30.200 just like, this is a great workout. And then sometimes I go to the gym and I'm exhausted and

00:57:36.080 I'm pushing and I don't feel the same. It's not tearing as good as it does. I don't, I don't feel as

00:57:43.580 exciting. It's just not connecting as well. And, and that's when I remember this little mantra that

00:57:48.860 I've been teaching Koa is, you know, do your best, forget the rest. And some days are just that.

00:57:56.080 Some days are just, it's not going to feel like I'm making gains today. Today's just about showing up,

00:58:05.320 doing the best I can with the energy that I have, with the mindset that I have. Uh, and that's the win.

00:58:13.580 Well, that, that's actually, that's a good point. Let me, let me explain why. If let's say,

00:58:20.500 let's say yesterday you got up and you just felt in the morning, 5am, whatever time you get up,

00:58:26.780 you just felt like, man, I'm good. I'm ready to go. I'm rested. I'm ready to tackle this. And you go

00:58:32.280 and you have a good workout and, and it shows, you know, you got the pump and you're feeling it and

00:58:37.240 you're hitting new numbers, all this stuff. And then today you wake up and you feel like dog crap and

00:58:43.320 you're tired and you don't want to go in, but you decide, you know what? I'm going to go in

00:58:47.240 and maybe you didn't get the best workout. Maybe you didn't get that same pump. Which day counted more?

00:58:55.220 Which day was actually better for you as a human being? I mean, today, today, right? Cause I did the

00:59:01.420 thing when I didn't want to, I wasn't motivated. Like there's more character development today,

00:59:06.200 maybe more body development yesterday, maybe, but, but that's on a micro today. Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:12.520 So maybe, maybe you are 1% better because you did it in spite of the, the challenge of

00:59:19.580 not wanting to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Joey Gomez, when my time is up, how will I be remembered?

00:59:28.360 Yeah. I mean, that's a great, again, we're, we're framing this from the perspective of what

00:59:36.160 man, what questions men should be asking themselves. When my time is up, how will I be remembered?

00:59:42.400 I love this because it's no longer selfish. It's selfless. I mean, I guess it could be selfish,

00:59:48.680 right? If you're just wanting to be remembered and be glorified and be tapped as a saint, I guess

00:59:56.380 that could be a little selfish. Yeah. Or I think in the spirit of the question is like, what do you

01:00:02.620 want your kids to remember about you? Like who, who will be served by you? Who, I also think about

01:00:12.180 this generationally. If you can, if you can be a good friend to somebody, just a good friend, you show

01:00:20.620 up when they need you. Uh, you, you do things with them, you invest in their life. You could change

01:00:27.140 their lineage and there will be, there will be recipients of your work that you'll never know

01:00:35.820 in a hundred, 200, 500, even a thousand years because you showed up the way you could have.

01:00:42.680 That to me is pretty cool. Totally. Hard to wrap our heads around. Cause it's so easy to get caught

01:00:47.980 up in the moment and to be selfish. And you know, like the other day I'm an asshole, but we're all

01:00:54.700 assholes. And this isn't something anybody else has experienced. I'm driving down the road and I got

01:00:59.060 stuck in traffic and there was, it looked like there was three cars and I think everything was okay.

01:01:06.380 One was pretty banged up, but it looked like it was still up. Like it hadn't rolled and looked like

01:01:11.140 everybody was there. No ambulance there. And my first thought, what do you think my first thought was?

01:01:15.420 Are they taken care of? Is there enough people there to, to address it? Or should I stop?

01:01:23.060 Yeah. Well, you're a better person than me. Cause mine was these idiots. They got in a wreck and

01:01:26.820 slowed me down. I'm trying to get over to St. George. I'm laughing. That's my first, that was my

01:01:33.380 first thought. And I know every, I think maybe I'm wrong. Cause you're a way nicer person than I am,

01:01:40.380 but I'm sure have you ever, okay. Come on though. Have you ever felt that? Um, well, okay. No,

01:01:47.140 you haven't. Two weeks ago, uh, we were leaving bear Lake and there's a truck slide off the side of

01:01:52.220 the road backwards. And my first initial thought was idiot. But then my second immediately right

01:01:58.980 after it was, do they need some help? So it was kind of, you know, a duel, but I judged them first.

01:02:05.000 Yes. And we have to, we have to, we've talked about this in the past, wrestle with that natural

01:02:10.440 man. I mean, I had a similar, similar experience a couple of months ago, maybe, maybe six months

01:02:15.320 ago. I was driving down the road and I saw this guy who's in a big, you know, three quarter ton or

01:02:21.260 one ton Ram or something. And he was stuck in the sand dunes. He was stuck off the side of the road.

01:02:25.480 But I drove by, I'm like, ah, it sucks. And I kept driving and I'm like, God in his infinite wisdom

01:02:33.620 was like, you idiot, turn around. And so I pulled over and I turned around and I pulled up my, Hey,

01:02:41.880 you guys need some help. And he's like, yeah, I do. I'm like, cool. We got the toe strap. It took us 15

01:02:48.720 minutes through the toe strap on the GMC, pulled the Dodge out. No problem. I just want to make sure I

01:02:54.420 let you guys know on that. Pulled him out. And he comes up to me and I could, his wife is on the

01:02:59.840 phone and she's like, Hey, like we got stuck. We're not going to make it. I'm feeling bad. And

01:03:03.920 the guy comes up and he shakes my hand. And when he goes to shake my hand, he had a $20 bill in his

01:03:08.080 hand. And he goes to shake my hand. I'm like, no, no, no, no. And he's, he's like, um, he's like,

01:03:14.840 no, no, you helped us out. I'm like, I know I helped you out, but that's just because you need to help.

01:03:19.960 Cause I would hope that if you saw me stuck on the road tomorrow, you better pull your ass over

01:03:25.720 and help me out of the thing. And he just kind of laughed. He's like, I will, I will. Um, but yeah,

01:03:30.620 we have to fight. We have to fight against that selfishness of just life. Like I'm busy and this

01:03:38.420 idiot got in a car wreck. Holy shit. Somebody's daughter could have just died. Like somebody's

01:03:44.340 dad maybe is not coming home tonight. Totally. Or, you know, maybe somebody didn't have insurance

01:03:51.280 and now that person's on the line for a $50,000 vehicle and they're broke.

01:03:59.280 Or maybe somebody else is already dealing with cancer and now their husband's dead. It's like,

01:04:06.300 and I'm worried about being 10 minutes late to where I need to go.

01:04:10.280 I think we should just be a little less selfish and just think about how we might be able to serve

01:04:18.620 other people. And usually, usually it doesn't take all that much effort or time to be able to help

01:04:25.440 somebody out. Like if you're in, if you're in line, you know, at the grocery store and maybe somebody

01:04:30.980 in front of you is having a hard time, you can tell or something like just pay their groceries.

01:04:35.460 It's going to cost you 30 bucks. Pay their damn groceries. You know, like just hold the door

01:04:42.220 open. Like just easy, easy stuff. And I guess maybe that goes back to your, your thoughts about

01:04:52.380 purpose, like serving other people. And then maybe it helps answer this question of what will you be

01:04:57.620 remembered for somebody who's kind and generous and supportive and caring and selfless. And I mean,

01:05:05.960 I think that's why we have the tools and the resources we have. Like the reason I have the

01:05:13.040 skill sets that I have is to help other people. I would not have those skill sets if I wasn't meant

01:05:18.560 to give those abundantly to other people. It's required. Yeah. Todd Martinez, are you doing what

01:05:28.420 you should be doing? You know, what's a good, you know, I like that question is because it's one that

01:05:36.480 you could ask all day, every day is in this moment. Am I doing what I should be doing? The answer

01:05:44.700 right now is yes, this is what I should be doing. And, and you have, and you have to answer the

01:05:50.720 question yes or no with zero explanation. And if you have to use explanation, then you're lying.

01:06:00.020 That's, that's how I use this question. Should I be doing this? Yes or no? Give me an example.

01:06:05.500 You're talking about like a justification or rationalization or something. Because I'm

01:06:08.760 rationalizing it, right? Oh, I shouldn't, but it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, buts.

01:06:13.740 Yes or no? And, and use that as a question. How do you square that, Kip, with

01:06:19.320 somebody who, I'm just trying to think of an example. Maybe somebody's engaged in either illegal

01:06:29.880 financial behavior or taking advantage financially of somebody else, but it's because, here's the

01:06:37.800 rationalization, they need to put food on the table and they're financially bankrupt.

01:06:43.740 And how do you square that? Because I know what you would say is like, you still have

01:06:47.380 to do it. Yeah. Well, that's easy when you have food in your belly and the bills are paid.

01:06:52.020 Yeah. I'll, I'll, I have a perfect example of this. Okay. Let's hear it. I did a leadership.

01:06:57.500 I did, we did a leadership training over the weekend. I had a business owner, um,

01:07:03.320 grabbed me after our session and he's like, Hey, I have this scenario. I want to get your advice

01:07:08.540 on it. Cashflow is tight. Business is tough right now. Okay. So things are really tight

01:07:15.040 right now. And he has a client that is holding on like, I don't know, $60,000 check to pay

01:07:23.040 because of a disagreement around a line item in his statement of work. He sees it one way. The

01:07:30.540 other guy sees it the other way. The guy has lawyered up right to, to handle it. And now he's

01:07:37.440 like, Hey, you know, you still have to do the warranty. And now he's tempted to go, well, I'm

01:07:42.340 not warrantying anything to work unless you're paying this part. And you know, all that kind of

01:07:46.420 stuff. He's like, what should I do? And I'm like, it's your ego. It's your ego, man. Tip for tat.

01:07:53.640 Oh, if you don't do this, I'll do this. I'm like, let go, let go and do the right thing.

01:08:01.440 And, and things will work out. And I, I shared an example with him years and years ago. I had a

01:08:07.180 client that in the middle of a project, the executive left and was replaced and I was billing

01:08:16.780 the client and they're like, there's no more money on the, on the purchase order. And I looked at the

01:08:22.600 purchase order and there were zeros missing on the purchase order. Now I, my previous contact

01:08:30.160 messed up when he got executive approval and had the PO missing zeros on the purchase order.

01:08:37.860 I've done the work. I have to pay employees, right? Like I was like, absolutely. I am going

01:08:44.300 to get a lawyer because I can't not get that check. And then I thought, did they intentionally

01:08:51.820 screw me over? And the answer was no, it's an honest mistake. And I'm like going to hurt

01:08:58.820 relationships for that cash. Is this customer never going to do work with me ever again

01:09:06.700 because I lawyer up? Or am I going to throw this other executive under the bus that went on to

01:09:12.860 another company to work for them? And I make him bad by, you know, he screwed up. Right. And so I

01:09:19.080 decided not to, I went, you know what? I'm going to let it go. Within six months, that company called

01:09:25.940 me up and said, Hey, where, whatever happened in this project? I'm like, actually we paused it

01:09:30.120 because of this mixup. And they're like, Oh, no big deal. How much do we owe you? We'll do a new PO.

01:09:35.340 And then we ended up doing more work. And I ended up doing more work with that other executive that

01:09:40.880 moved on to the other company. It worked out, but I had to double down on not what are the outcomes of

01:09:48.260 this decision? What's the right decision? And then just let the chips fall and go, this sucks. I,

01:09:55.980 I hope this pans out and we're just going to have to see how it goes.

01:10:02.620 I also think there's a lot to be, I mean, those are great examples. As you were saying it,

01:10:08.780 there's a lot to be said for consistently doing the right thing. Because I think for every one of

01:10:13.800 those scenarios that it works out, like you said, there's probably 10 where it doesn't,

01:10:16.980 you never get paid. And if you're, but if you're doing the right thing, then the, in this case,

01:10:24.100 the jobs that you would pick up outside of this scenario, the extra jobs you're going to pick up

01:10:29.480 because you're constantly doing the right thing, even though, yeah, you'll be out this guy 60 grand

01:10:34.200 or you missing these zeros, the jobs you will pick up because of your integrity. I think over time

01:10:41.840 will vastly outweigh what you may have lost. Totally. Totally. And, and it has, because I've

01:10:47.160 had scenarios, right. Where it wasn't paid. And so that that's my thought. I just use that trigger

01:10:52.740 just like getting out of bed in the morning, right? If I have the excuse why I'm not getting my ass out

01:10:56.760 of bed, that means I should probably get my ass out of bed. I like it, man. Yeah. I see no flaws in that

01:11:05.740 argument. Okay. Last question. Are you good with one more? You have enough time? Yeah. I'm just

01:11:10.340 thinking about that. I think the hardest thing is my wheels are turning because it's just a lot of

01:11:16.940 the times Kip, you and I say things and it's so easy to say. Yeah. And, but there's, but there's

01:11:22.360 guys who are just dealing and I have to, and you have to, there's men who are dealing with real

01:11:27.240 world scenarios where it's like, well, yeah, of course you'd say that, but you're not in this

01:11:32.260 position. And I guess to that, I would say, well, maybe not now, but I have been, you have been

01:11:39.460 millions of other men have been, and millions of other men chose to make the right decision

01:11:45.160 in spite of whatever scenario you might be confronting.

01:11:50.540 I don't know. Just thinking a little bit. All right. Last question.

01:11:53.920 Brian, uh, Shavin, what battle are you fighting that isn't even yours?

01:12:01.060 Hmm. That's a good one. Yeah, me too. I like that one.

01:12:03.820 What, what, so what battle are you fighting that isn't even yours? You know what, what battles

01:12:09.720 I often fight? They're, they're small, but you know what battles I often fight is controlling

01:12:14.900 people's emotions. Yeah, totally. That, that is a battle. And I, I don't know if it's my anxiousness.

01:12:21.880 I don't know if it's my need to control things or my personality, but I, I'm really aware to a

01:12:30.560 fault often of how people are and thinking it's my job to make them better or to feel better or more

01:12:38.480 comforted or whatever, instead of letting people work through their stuff. That's one thing I do

01:12:43.580 quite often. I'm aware of. Well, and I'll even add to that. I would say in the same line of thought,

01:12:49.700 but also managing their impression of me. Hmm. That's a good one. Yeah. And adjusting my efforts,

01:12:57.660 you know, to, to manage, you know, how they may perceive me regardless of whether I think it's,

01:13:04.160 it's warranted or not. Another one that comes to mind is rescuing people from consequences,

01:13:13.420 like even your own kids. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. Because of course you don't, you don't want them

01:13:19.380 to suffer, but maybe the suffering is exactly what they need. That's another one I do rescue. Yeah.

01:13:26.960 Can you think of any more? It's a good question.

01:13:34.000 No. Do you think there's scenarios where, where men are banging their head against the wall

01:13:40.920 in some way, maybe personally or professionally that they shouldn't be doing that?

01:13:45.160 Absolutely. I mean, look, look at, look at society and, and how engulfed we, we get into politics.

01:13:55.240 Emotionally, they're fighting a battle that is absolutely outside of their realm of control.

01:14:00.700 And they're so distracted with fighting this battle that there's battles that are a hundred percent

01:14:07.940 within the realm of control. And they're not doing anything about them. They're distracting

01:14:12.800 themselves really from responsibility.

01:14:14.800 Yeah. I think there's just a lot of control issues that people have myself, myself included.

01:14:25.840 Yeah. Where it's like, you want to go on a, an excursion and the weather's bad. And then

01:14:31.300 it ruins the whole thing for you. Like, well, hold on. Like, can we still salvage this and make

01:14:35.800 it fun? Totally. Or like you said, you know, politics and people are screaming and shouting

01:14:42.800 and I agree. It's important to be aware of, but at what, at what are you involved in politics

01:14:48.540 personally? Like, are you going to go run for the school board now? Yeah. Nope. No. If you are,

01:14:54.840 then, okay, that's your battle. You've made that your battle. Yeah. And that's good. We need,

01:14:59.960 we need virtuous, righteous men doing that. Johnny Loretty. I don't know if you know who, who,

01:15:04.140 who is one of them. He ran an issue past me about the town that he's in, in Massachusetts,

01:15:10.720 of course, that is trying to be welcoming and inclusive to everything. And like every town

01:15:17.820 is anyways, like it doesn't need to be said, but they're trying to turn this into a sanctuary

01:15:22.540 situation. And he was outvoted him. And I think two or three other guys were outvoted. One guy,

01:15:28.620 in fact, left the, the board, um, or I said school board, but city council left the city council

01:15:38.480 prior to the vote. That's just cowardice. Yeah. That's just cowardice at that point. But if you're

01:15:46.420 making your battle, that's one thing. But if you're not, if you don't have a dog in the fight,

01:15:50.780 we ought to be careful of what we get into. Well, and this is, you know, and the other probably

01:15:56.000 common one for anyone to listen, that's in a position of authority. And we do this with our

01:16:01.020 kids. Right. And we obviously do this with our, their adults, but we were, we're fighting their

01:16:07.760 agency. I'll get them to perform. I'll manipulate them. I'll do these things like, and we're, we think

01:16:15.120 we're the puppeteer. When we're out of what we should be doing is clarifying expectations and

01:16:20.820 letting them decide if they're willing to do the work, you know, it's, it's crazy. And, you know,

01:16:27.280 like I mentioned earlier, I was talking with some leaders over the weekend and, and these words slip

01:16:32.180 into our conversations. Wow. You know, I allow them too much freedom. I let them. And I'm like,

01:16:39.160 whoa, hold on. You let them. You're talking about another adult, another human. You let them

01:16:45.500 be careful how much authority you use over other individuals. You don't get people to perform and do

01:16:56.040 your bidding, right? Not, not a good leader. A good leader presents possibility and, and options and

01:17:04.360 asks them if they're willing to do the job or not. Now they may say they don't want to. Now we don't

01:17:11.660 have a fit and we go our separate ways, but you don't get people to do things. Right. Well,

01:17:18.000 and you know, you and I had a conversation maybe two months ago now about something that I wanted

01:17:22.860 you to do within the organization. And I'm like, why don't you think about it? Like you would have

01:17:27.300 been, you were the perfect fit and you didn't want to do it. And that's like, it's as simple as that.

01:17:36.220 And that's fine. Like that does, to me, that doesn't diminish any other value you bring to it.

01:17:41.640 In fact, I appreciate that answer more than the default, which is, yeah, yeah, I'll do it.

01:17:48.920 Yeah. And then not actually do it. Yeah. Then I do it out of compliance, right? And I neglect and I

01:17:56.440 don't show up powerfully enough and I just do enough to appease you. It's worse. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.

01:18:04.000 But I guess it goes to what you're saying about your agency is you need to exercise your agency as

01:18:08.860 well. Yeah. So don't, don't be doing things that you shouldn't be doing or that you don't want to

01:18:15.180 do, or don't fall within your purview, or don't allow you the creativity that you want, or don't,

01:18:20.200 or hinder you from doing something else that seems more relevant and appealing to you.

01:18:24.160 Like really design and craft the way that you want your life to look like. I know for the past couple

01:18:29.680 of months, I've just felt overwhelmed with some professional stuff. And it's like,

01:18:33.020 we talked about this last week. I let a bunch of stuff go. I didn't just let it fall through the

01:18:38.400 cracks. I ended a bunch of things in the last couple of weeks because it was just too much.

01:18:45.360 And I was, it was hurting other aspects of my life and it was liberating, very, very liberating.

01:18:52.860 So that question was, what battles are you fighting that aren't yours to fight? It's a good question.

01:18:58.480 Yeah. A lot of good questions. So are those better questions, Kip, or are you still judging the

01:19:03.520 questions? No, I'm not judging all of you guys. I should just kept to myself. Yeah. Not shared my

01:19:10.120 judgment. Why are you so angry about these questions, Kip? You're like, oh, these are stupid. I'm like,

01:19:15.180 that's my job. My job is to critique the questions. Yeah. Full disclosure. I was like,

01:19:20.220 dumb question, dumb question. And then I thought, oh, Ryan's going to have a heyday with these stupid

01:19:23.920 questions. You know, it did cross my mind. That's funny. Uh, no, I thought they were really

01:19:29.480 good questions. We did mix it up a little bit. Um, so yeah, I thought it was good. Interesting.

01:19:35.880 Awesome. Well, um, that's what we got for today. Uh, major call outs, obviously, you know,

01:19:41.940 connect with us online, uh, Ryan on Instagram and X at Ryan Mickler and as well as the Facebook group,

01:19:48.100 that's facebook.com slash group slash order of man. And then just another call out for the,

01:19:54.080 the men's forge event, uh, coming up, uh, this may 1st through the 4th. Um, you can learn more at

01:20:00.360 themensforge.com. Yeah. We're getting very close on that with the amount of men that we want to have

01:20:07.540 there. So please get that taken care of quick. I think there might be a few more VIP spots, but not

01:20:13.680 very many, but it's going to be a great trip. We just, uh, locked in another speaker. I don't know

01:20:20.560 if I'm going to say who it is right now. I'm not, but we just locked in maybe next week. We locked in

01:20:27.060 another good speaker, childhood hero of mine, in fact. So I'm excited about that as well. Awesome.

01:20:32.440 I already know who it is. All right, guys. Great questions. You what? I think I already know who it

01:20:37.380 is. I don't know. I don't, I don't think you do, but we'll see. All right. Um, great questions. I

01:20:42.820 know Kip didn't enjoy them today, guys, but I enjoyed your questions and I'm glad you asked

01:20:47.000 those. I'm going to see if I can get Kip to be a little bit more considerate on a little

01:20:51.320 more empathetic on future podcasts. Cause that's definitely an area that he needs to improve

01:20:55.420 upon. So, all right, you guys appreciate you. Great questions today. Uh, we will catch you

01:21:01.900 on Friday until then go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:21:06.460 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your

01:21:15.460 life and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

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Order of Man - March 05, 2025

Do I Have What it Takes, Everything in Excellence, and Doing the Right Things ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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