Don't Be Your Wife's Child | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES
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In this episode, Ryan talks about a disturbing trend that he sees in his day-to-day interactions with men who treat their significant other as if they are their wife's child. And it's disturbing to say the least.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who
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you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan
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Mickler, and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and the movement that is Order
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of Man. I want to welcome you back. If you've been listening for any amount of time, I want
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to welcome you here for the first time, if this is your first time tuning in. And if it
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is, this is a podcast geared towards giving you the tools and the conversations, the resources,
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the guidance, the direction, whatever you need to step up and be more capable as a father,
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a husband, a business owner, a community leader, a man in general. And that's exactly what I'm
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going to talk with you about today, because I see a disturbing trend in quite a few men
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that I talk with via email or text or direct message on social media, wherever it is, these
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guys are connecting with me. And I'm going to get into that in just a minute. I do want
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or R D E R at checkout. All right, guys, let's get into the meat of the discussion
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today. Uh, I want to talk with you about, well, the topic, what I titled this is don't
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be your wife's child. And the reason that I wanted to address this today is because I
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see a lot of men who are in relationships with their significant other who are acting
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as if they're their wife's child. And it's disturbing to say the least it's pathetic. Uh,
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and I don't believe that it's conducive to a healthy, intimate relationship between a
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husband and a wife. And I don't know if it's because these guys don't recognize they're
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behaving this way more like a child, a boy than they are a man, or if it's because they've
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been conditioned to behave this way. Maybe they grew up without a father figure in their
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life and there wasn't a real masculine presence. So they don't quite know how to act like a man
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around women. Uh, or maybe they think it's cute and, and that it's actually going to,
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uh, again, be conducive to some type of relationship that, that a wife would want. Uh, it's, that's
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not the case at all. In fact, I think it actually harms a relationship and it drives a wedge between
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you and, and your partner. So I'm going to talk with you today about why it's so important
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that we behave like men. Some of these things that I'm going to share with you today might seem
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a little counterintuitive. Uh, and I'm going to break down five steps and five strategies that
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you can use to ensure that you are being a husband, that you are leading inside the walls
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of your home as a husband, not behaving like a little boy, but let's break these down. Uh,
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before we get into the steps, uh, I just think that there's, and this is only going to get worse.
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There's just this, this, this trend. And it's really upsetting to see of men, boys, I should say,
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and, and girls growing up without this male father figure in their life. And sometimes
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I feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I talk about this, uh, but it is only going
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to get worse. And I think because more and more boys are not being surrounded by these
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masculine presences that it's going to be difficult for these boys as they become men
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and step out into the workforce and get married and start families to actually behave the way
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that they're supposed to. In addition to that, these guys who believe that maybe it's cute to,
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to be dependent on, or to make a woman feel like she's needed, this is not going to work.
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I'm telling you, it's not going to work. Women might feel flattered and excited about all the
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attention and the, the desire to be needed for a very, very short period of time. But when she
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realizes that she can't get a mature discussion or a mature approach to life out of her husband,
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she's going to be gone. And as much as I don't want to cast blame, I really got to say that guys,
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we got to take a good, hard look at ourselves and how we're behaving and how we're showing up.
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Now I will throw this disclaimer out there because I do talk quite a bit about this. And I talked about
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it last week with these movements that you see sprouting up, uh, with regards to men,
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ostracizing other individuals and even removing themselves completely from relationships with the
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opposite sex. Uh, Meg Tao, I believe is starting to go down that path. I think there's some noble
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intentions there, but I think it's a breeding ground for some of these men who take it out of context
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and start to believe that we are to operate individually of everybody else and, and, and not be
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part of society or a relationship or whatever it may be. Uh, and then on the opposite, the far end
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of the extreme and the spectrum, you have these incels, involuntary celibates. These are the guys
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who believe that they're, they're victims of society and they're victims of women. And rather than
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learning to take some measure of responsibility in their lives, decided that everybody is doing things
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to them. And if women wouldn't do things to them or society wouldn't do things to them,
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then everything would be perfect. And of course we know that these are guys who are unwilling
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to take responsibility for themselves and frankly behave more like boys than they do men. So as I
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share with you, these five strategies to ensure that you are being the kind of, of male presence
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that your wife and your family needs, please don't misunderstand me and think that I'm talking
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about you going your own way or, or you doing things in spite of her or without her, not permission,
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but without her understanding or knowledge, that's not what I'm saying. I want to throw this
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disclaimer out there because as I talk about some of these things, it may seem like that. It may
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sound like that. And throughout this conversation, I'm going to try to give you some context so that
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you understand hopefully that it's not about going your own way. It's about being a better husband,
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being a more capable father, and frankly, stepping into the man that you want to become. I don't think
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you'd be listening to this podcast if that weren't the case. So let's break this down. Again, this is
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about not becoming your wife's child. So the first one, and I talk about this at length quite a bit,
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probably in every podcast I talk about this. So you're going to get sick of hearing me say it,
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but the reason I bring it up so much is because so many men seem like they can't do this effectively.
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And it's very simply established boundaries. Guys, you have to establish boundaries. There has to be
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some limits that are clearly communicated and expected between you and your wife. And if those
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boundaries are not there and she's crossing into your space, physical or mental space,
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you're crossing into her physical, mental, or emotional space, then of course there's going
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to be problems. And yet we don't establish these boundaries because we want to play the nice guy.
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And this is part of the problem with the nice guy syndrome, which is not really going to help.
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Although I think a lot of guys think that it is. If I just be nice, then everything will be great.
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Well, women aren't looking for nice guys. They aren't looking for nice guys. And that's why
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we see a lot of these women who are attracted to the quote unquote bad boy is because they're
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rejecting the good little boy that toes the line and does everything that he's told. So I'm not
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telling you that you need to be rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. I'm telling you that you
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need to clearly establish boundaries, communicate those boundaries effectively, and then uphold those
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boundaries. So what might some of these look like? Well, they might be verbal boundaries or
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communication boundaries, the way in which your wife and you will communicate with each other.
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I know that I've had conversations with my wife who I have a great, intimate, loving relationship with
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where we may get into a debate or a discussion or potentially even an argument. And I frankly had to
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come out and say, I will not allow you to speak to me like that. And you know what? She said the same
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thing. And because I put my foot down, I'm clear about it. And on her side, she puts her foot down
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and she's clear about it. We know exactly what those boundaries are. What's the old adage? High
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fences make great neighbors. And I'm not saying you need to put up a wall or a fence between you and
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your wife, but that's the point of boundaries so that people know what is expected, what you tolerate,
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what you will not tolerate. And as soon as those things are laid out, then you can make decisions about
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how your relationship is going to go forward. Other boundaries that I have in place. I happen
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to work at home, which is a great blessing in my family's lives, but it's also a challenge in that
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my wife can come up here while I'm working. My kids can bounce around and they can run around in the
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halls. They can come into my office. I have to clearly articulate and establish these boundaries
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so they don't do that. And they understand that I'm working. So I communicate these things with
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them. Hey, when the, when the door is closed to my office, that means I'm working. If you hear me
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on a podcast or talking in here, that means it needs to be quiet outside. When my wife might ask
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me, for example, uh, to do a chore to take out the trash or some other item around the household,
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if it's during the working day, she knows that I'm not going to do it because I've told her upfront,
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I'm not going to do it. And when she's asked me in the past, I say, no, no, I will not take out
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the trash right now. But if that's what you need done, I will happily do that this evening or
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tomorrow morning before or after my working hours. So again, for the, the quote unquote,
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recovering nice guy, he might hear this and think, well, Ryan, you're just being a jerk.
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What's the big deal with taking out the trash guys. It's not about taking out the trash that will
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literally take me 60 seconds. It's not a big deal when it comes to the time vested in being able to do
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that chore. It's the principle of the thing. It's the standard and the expectation that I have set.
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And because I have clear expectations and clear boundaries around how we communicate with each
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other, what I will do and won't do during working hours and so many other facets, uh, it it's,
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there's no guesswork. And that's the beauty because when people are left to guess, they're going to start
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filling in the blanks. She's going to start making assumptions. And more often than not, when people
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are guessing and making its assumptions, it typically goes down a path, a negative path that
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it's not. She jumps to the conclusion that I am a jerk, or maybe, you know, I'm, I'm trying to
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withhold information from her, or maybe she believes I'm stepping out on her because I'm not engaged the
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way I should be. No, that's not it at all. We communicate that upfront. We have those expectations
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and those great fences make great neighbors in a way. All right. So that's number one,
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establish those boundaries. Number two, stop asking for permission for things. I made this
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comment or this post on Instagram several weeks ago. And I think a lot of people misunderstood me
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because what they believe when I said, stop asking permission is they thought that I was just giving
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them a ticket to do whatever the hell they wanted to do. And that's not at all what I'm saying.
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I'm not saying that you're going to go out and do whatever you want to do. And you're not going to
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include her in the decision-making process or informing her about what's going on. But I'm saying,
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stop asking for permission, be bold, be assertive, let her know what you're going to be doing. Of
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course, get her input and her insight and direction. But if you go to your wife, every time you want to
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do something and you say, please, hon, can I do this? I'd really like to do this. You're, what you're
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doing is you're stripping away all of your masculine authority and credibility, and you're behaving more
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like her child than you are her husband. I don't ask my wife for permission to do things. I inform her
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of things that I think are going to be good for me and the family. We consult, we make decisions
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together. But at the end of the day, I make those decisions. I don't ask for permission. And there
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was a time in our marriage where I would, and I would run around asking her to do things, even trivial
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things. Every single time that one of those things came up, I would be asking her if I could do those
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things. That's exhausting. Those of you who have kids, you, you know, if your child comes up to you and
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ask every time my two youngest, for example, their one is, uh, just getting over being potty
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trained and occasionally he'll come to me and he'll say, dad, can I go to the bathroom? It's
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like, dude, you don't have to ask me to go to the bathroom. Just go do it. Or my daughter will ask,
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dad, can I play? It's like, you don't have to ask permission for that. But that's what we as men
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sometimes do with our wives. We ask over and over and over again. And she's like, good hell,
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just make a decision, be a man and go do your thing. So again, there, this is a spectrum. All right.
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On one end, you have the guy who takes nothing into consideration with regards to his wife's
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feelings and thoughts and decisions. And then on the other end, you have the guy who's asking her
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for every little thing and every turn, and it becomes annoying and exhausting. Find that middle
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ground, be assertive, be bold, include her in the decision-making process. But ultimately you're not
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asking for permission. You're informing. So you can both make decisions together. That's number two.
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Number three, guys, please do not throw temper tantrums. All right. I know that sounds funny,
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but I can't tell you how often I hear from men who have said things like,
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Ryan, I blew up with my wife and I lost my cool, or I let my emotions get the better of me.
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That's boy-like behavior. And I'm not saying I'm above it. All right. I do it occasionally from now
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and then as well as you do. Okay. This is not something I'm above, but it's something I'm conscious of
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that men aren't absent of emotions, but that we understand how to control our emotions. And when
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we lose our cool and we get frustrated and we yell or we throw things or heaven forbid, we decide to
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hit or become physical. That's a problem. That's a problem. And you're, you're using your emotions
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ineffectively. You're allowing them to get the better of you. Instead, learn why you're upset.
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Why do things bother you? Why are you freaking out? Why is this such a big deal? And it might come
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down to one of the two things I already mentioned that somebody crossed a boundary that you failed
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to uphold. And so you got upset because they crossed the boundary that you yourself couldn't
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uphold, or she didn't give you the quote unquote permission that you asked for. These are things
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that are going to trigger potentially some temper tantrums if you aren't mature in the way that you
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handle yourself. So if I notice myself welling up with anger or frustration, or there's some
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contention, I quite literally disengage from the situation as best I can. It might be a ride. It
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might go, might be going to shoot some arrows in the backyard or going to train, physically train or to
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do some jujitsu. But I have these outlets in place so that I can begin to separate myself from the
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thing that's driving that emotion and then start thinking about it a little bit more logically so
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that I can come back into the relationship with a mature approach. So for example, if I'm upset about
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something my wife said or did, maybe she tried to cross a boundary and that upset upset me. Now I come
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back into the relationship and I can very simply tell her, Hey hon, you know what, what you said earlier,
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I really didn't appreciate. And I don't appreciate being talked to like that. Here's why that bothers
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me. Here's how it upsets me. And here's the expectation that I have moving forward, which is
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that you won't talk to me like that. And instead you'll talk to me like fill in the blank. You can
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decide that for yourself. But again, temper tantrums guys, they aren't going to get you anywhere.
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All right. Number one, they're not going to work. You're not going to get what you want. And number two,
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and I think this is more important is that you literally undermine everything that you're trying
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to create. You're, you're cutting out the foundation out from underneath you. And now you're
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operating as the patriarch. Like I talked about in last week's Friday field notes, uh, on shaky
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ground on sand. Even we want a sure, solid footing. And in order to maintain that sure, solid footing
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of the way that the patriarch stands and what he stands on, you can't be emotional.
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Can't be running around crying about things. You can't be running around, uh, talking bad
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about her. You can't be running around, uh, acting like a little child and, and, and yelling
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and shouting or throwing or potentially even hitting, but control those emotions, use them
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for productive outcomes. Don't let them control you next make decisions. All right. That's
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it. Make decisions. That's what men do. Men are decisive. They make decisions.
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They act upon those decisions. So when your wife comes to you and says, Hey, hon, I know
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we're going out this weekend. Where would you like to go? Don't say, Oh, I don't know.
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Where would you like to go? Just be bold. Just be assertive and say, I would like to go
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to Morton's or whatever, wherever you're going to go. This is where I'd like to go. Now, if
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she has a problem with that, then she can inform you that that's the problem. And that comes
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back to establishing boundaries and communication. But again, just make decisions. Where are
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we going to go? What time are we going to leave? What should we bring? What are we going
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to do this weekend? What are you going to do for your career? There's these trivial things
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and there's these more important matters, but the more that you learn to make decisions.
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And by the way, guys, this is a skill. I realized that if you're not accustomed to making decisions,
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it may be very hard for you to, when she asked, where would you like to go to dinner for
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you to say very surely that you have a place picked out? I realized that's going to be a
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challenge for some of you. It sounds silly to some of you who think, well, I'm great at
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making decisions, but I'm telling you, there's guys out there who really, really struggle with
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this. And it might be you. And if it is you, the best way to overcome your inability to make
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decisions is you guessed it, make decisions. So when people ask for your opinion or ask what
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you would like to do, then it is now your task and your challenge from me to answer that
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clearly, succinctly, and make that decision. And then the last thing I wanted to share with
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you guys, as far as ensuring that you're not behaving as your wife's child is very simply
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to cast vision and to make plans and to act. So it's a three part one there. Cast vision,
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make plans, act accordingly. Guys, leaders have a vision. They have a direction. They know where they
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want to go. I look at my boys. They don't have that yet, right? They're young. They're, they're
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immature in a lot of ways. And they've got a thousand thoughts a second running around in
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their minds and they get distracted by the bright, shiny object. And it's kind of like that, uh, that
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movie up it's a cartoon. If you're a father, you know what it is, uh, where that, I think it's the
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dog. He gets distracted by the squirrel, right? Squirrel. Like he's in, he's involved in something,
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uh, focused. And then a squirrel runs by and he squirrel and he focuses attention on somewhere
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else. This is what boys do, but men don't do that. They maintain a clear focus. They have vision for
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the future. They know what they want to accomplish. They know in what direction they want to travel.
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And although they may not be there yet or super efficient at it, at least they're starting to cast
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some vision. And your job as a man is to be able to communicate that effectively to your wife,
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what is your vision for your career? What is your vision for the family? What is your vision for the
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way this relationship is going to work out with where I am in my relationship and where I am
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personally and entrepreneurially? Uh, I'm pretty happy with where I am, but I casted this vision
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to my wife and she shared her visions as well. And because we have these open lines of communication,
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it's very easy for us to get on the same page. And we're not always on the same page, but we can get
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on the same page. When I cast vision, that's not enough. It's not enough to daydream. It's not
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enough to be up in the clouds and la la land thinking about all the wonderful things that
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could be your next step is to make plans. What is your plan for turning that vision or that dream
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into a reality? If you use our 12 week battle planner, which you can find in the store or in
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my book sovereignty, or if you use other, some other planning software or program, I don't care what
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it is. I just want you to start articulating some plans to turn that vision into a reality.
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So once you've casted the vision and you and your wife have talked about this, now it's your job to
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start thinking about how you can make this work. What needs to be aligned? What resources do you need?
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What shortcomings need to be addressed? What could potentially get in the way of you creating the
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life that you're after, but making these solid plans that you're adjusting and you're tweaking and
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you're refining and honing along the way is going to separate you from being a little child to being
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the man that she wants you to be. And I know she wants you to be this because not only do I get
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messages from men, I get messages from women as well. Some women are grateful for what we've created
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here because they see an assertive change in their husband and others are asking how they can get their
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husbands to be more assertive, to be more like men than little boys, the topic of this conversation
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today. And I think if you learn to make plans and communicate those plans and take her thoughts
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and her dreams and her visions and goals and aspirations into consideration, and then start
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formulating a way to make that happen, she's going to start to believe in you, but only, only if you
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implement the third step. And the third step is to act, act accordingly. All right, you have the vision,
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you know what you guys want. You started to make the plans for the future, but if it stops there,
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she's going to stop believing in you. She's going to believe you're a dreamer and dream is great,
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but, but you gotta, you gotta act. You gotta take it into consideration and figure out how you're
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going to implement these things. So if you're not a man of action, become a man of action. And again,
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guys will ask, well, how do you do that? Guys, it's simple. You act. How do you establish boundaries?
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You establish boundaries. How do you make sure people don't step over those boundaries? You warn them
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when they do and cut them off when they go over those lines. How do you not ask for permission?
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You stop asking for permission. How do you make better decisions? You start making decisions. Like
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the answer is quite literally in the question itself. So guys, cast your vision, make your plans,
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and then act accordingly. And this is a cycle, maybe not even a cycle. These are things that you should be
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doing all the time. And I think at the root of what we're talking about here today, if I was to sum
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this all up into a pretty package with a little bow on it, I would say communication, communication.
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Very often I'm asked, what's one skill that you think would benefit everybody more if they were to
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implement, you know, questions like that. And my answer is communication. You're dealing with another
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human being, all of her dreams and her ideas and her aspirations and her shortcomings and her own
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character flaws, just like you and I have. And because you're dealing with another human being,
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it's critical that you learn to communicate effectively that when you're establishing
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boundaries, you can't withhold them or have these covert contracts that people aren't aware of.
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When we're talking about not asking for permission, I'm not telling you to shut down. I'm telling her that
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you're going to start informing her of what you're going to be doing and taking her thoughts into
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consideration. When I'm talking about not throwing temper tantrums, I'm talking about opening up and
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sharing what's on your mind and what your perspective is rather than closing down or getting
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emotional over it because you're not getting your way. Making decisions, casting vision, making plans,
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acting accordingly, all require a level of assertive communication. But I didn't want to just say
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assertive communication. I wanted to give you a framework for how to make this work better.
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So as I part today, maybe what I'll share with you, and perhaps I should have shared this in the
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beginning, I want to give you maybe some ideas or some warning signs that you are acting more like
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a child than the man that she wants you to be and the man you're capable of becoming. I think very
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simply, one red flag might be that you have lost an element of trust with her, that she's not asking
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for your input or direction or insight, or that when you say things, your words carry no weight to her.
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If you're running into that, it might be because you're lacking in one or more of the areas that I
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just shared with you today. If you notice that she's undermining your authority or she's doing
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things behind your back or not informing you of all the things that she has going on in her life,
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you might be falling short in some of these areas. I know it's a challenge. I know it can't be summed up
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in a 25 minute podcast, but guys, it's critical that we learn how to be the men that we're capable of
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becoming. And by the way, this doesn't only apply to your wife. This applies to your clients. This
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applies to employees and friends and family members, other family members. This applies to
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your children, everybody that you're going to interact with on a daily basis. It's critical
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that you establish these five strategies to help you improve who you are as a man and that you're
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behaving and acting and communicating effectively as that man. Again, let me recap and then we'll call it
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a day. Number one, establish your boundaries. Number two, stop asking for permission. Number
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three, do not throw temper tantrums. Number four, make decisions. Number five, cast vision,
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make plans, act accordingly. So guys, I hope that helps. I hope that serves you in some way.
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