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00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:05.900 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.260 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.160 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.320 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:24.480 Kip, what's up man? It seems like it's been a couple of weeks since we did the Ask Anything together,

00:00:27.860 but I got to tell you, before we even get into this today, I listened to the Ask Anything that you did this week,

00:00:33.400 or last week rather. The solo.

00:00:35.320 And you are getting good, man. I don't know if you feel like you are, but I was listening.

00:00:40.040 There was a couple that stood out in particular. It was the first question.

00:00:44.480 Gosh, I thought I was going to remind you of these, and now I'm having a hard time remembering what the first and last question were,

00:00:49.920 but man, you sounded so good. I'm like, he's getting this down, so I'm not sure you even need me anymore.

00:00:55.820 Yeah. Well, whatever. There's power in the conversation. And I appreciate it. I don't want to downgrade the compliment.

00:01:02.640 So I just felt, I don't know, it's so important, right, what we're talking about.

00:01:07.980 And so I just feel like I'm just sharing my opinion based upon my own experiences and what's heartfelt,

00:01:15.600 not manipulative or anything else.

00:01:18.960 And so I just felt like I'm sharing myself.

00:01:20.440 Yeah. Awesome, man. Well, it sounded good. You had it dialed, gave some good feedback.

00:01:26.540 I wish I could remember what the two topics were. I'll have to, I'll have to look and see if I can.

00:01:31.220 That sounds pretty impactful since you, you could remember it so well.

00:01:35.080 Well, I remembered it for like six hours. Most things I remember for like six minutes.

00:01:38.960 So consider yourself, consider yourself in the, uh, the higher echelons of, of my memory.

00:01:45.680 Yeah. Of Ryan Michler's brain. Six hours. Yeah, that's good.

00:01:50.340 Cool, man. All right, man. Well, let's get into some questions today.

00:01:53.140 Yeah. Sounds great. So we're going to field questions from the iron council to learn more,

00:01:57.860 go to order of man.com slash iron council currently closed. We'll open backup membership roughly around

00:02:03.040 the middle of December. So, uh, join us then, or, uh, you guys can always join our battle ready

00:02:10.760 program. And to learn more about that, go to order of man.com slash battle ready.

00:02:16.100 And the guys who do the battle ready program, they always maximize their iron council membership more

00:02:21.220 effectively. So they're ready. Yeah. If you're going to spend money on something and it is,

00:02:25.940 it's an investment. I have a lot of people say, Oh, you should just do it for free. There's a lot of

00:02:28.860 reasons I don't. One, I'm a business. Uh, two is if it's for free, how much will you really value it?

00:02:36.160 And three, there's other guys investing in themselves. Why are you special?

00:02:40.020 So, uh, if, but if you are going to spend some money on something and invest in something,

00:02:44.140 if, if it's an investment, just like it would be in the stock market, you'd want to do the research.

00:02:49.000 You'd want to be well-versed. You'd want to know what you're doing so that you can maximize your

00:02:52.520 potential return. So that's where that battle ready program comes in. Excellent. All right, Kevin

00:02:57.120 Bovey. What does a future vision of yourself look like when you're good, when you are good with

00:03:04.240 exactly who and how you are right now, every growth goal is based upon the person, the man,

00:03:10.360 other people want me to become. I'm at the point where I don't give a shit what, what those other

00:03:16.460 people want me to be. And I'm good with who I am. I don't think that's true. I don't think you're

00:03:22.920 good with where you are. Cause you wouldn't be asking this question. If that was the case,

00:03:25.840 you wouldn't be thinking about future vision. You wouldn't be thinking about what you want.

00:03:29.340 Now I get the sentiment. The sentiment is I'm not doing it for other people. And I, I acknowledge

00:03:34.360 that I appreciate. And I agree with that, but, but to say that you're good with where you are right

00:03:40.380 now, it's just, it's just not true. Cause you're asking this question. Yeah. And who, who would be

00:03:46.320 like, I can't relate to it, but the reality of it is we're not perfect, but there's so much work to be

00:03:52.960 done and there's fulfillment and purpose in achieving things. And so if we're complacent,

00:03:58.640 we're like, I'm good at where I'm at. Then doesn't that lack fulfillment? You think?

00:04:03.280 Yeah, I think so. I think, I think hope and optimism dies. I think there's a lot of frustration

00:04:08.700 and anxiety and being complacent with where you are. That's been my own personal experience. So

00:04:13.120 I think we need to set that as the groundwork. You're not really good with where you are,

00:04:17.320 but you have your priorities straight in that you don't want somebody else to dictate what you should

00:04:22.600 be doing or what your future looks like. And that's exactly right. You shouldn't be letting other 0.61

00:04:27.960 people dictate. Now there are contrary to popular opinion. There are some people whose opinion matters.

00:04:34.260 You know, uh, your spouse, her opinion probably matters. Kip, when it comes to doing this,

00:04:40.220 ask me anything and running this business, your opinion about me and the way we're doing things

00:04:44.520 that matters to me. Uh, the guys who listen to the podcast or the guys who joined the iron council,

00:04:49.620 their opinion, it matters to me, but ultimately I make the decisions I make because I think it's

00:04:55.700 going to be what's best for what I'm after, which is trying to impact millions of men across the planet.

00:05:00.420 And therefore I need to take the way they feel about what we're doing into consideration. So I can

00:05:04.640 more effectively fulfill the mission. So I don't want to go so far down the rabbit hole where it's like,

00:05:09.540 I don't care what anybody else thinks. And if my wife does imagine saying this,

00:05:15.000 if my wife doesn't like what I'm doing, then screw her. Like really? Like what was the point 1.00

00:05:19.760 of getting married then? If that's the case, you know, so, or surrounding yourself around people.

00:05:24.520 I mean, isn't that really what we talk about on this podcast? Surround your yourself with people

00:05:29.940 that uplift you said another way, care maybe about their opinions and their suggestions,

00:05:35.800 not to the point that we're blinded or ignorant and we're not considering it for ourselves, but

00:05:40.800 that that's why I surround myself around great people because they make me better by me considering

00:05:46.980 their opinions and viewpoints. Yeah. So a great example of that is what you told me before we

00:05:52.580 hit record. What you told me about the event that you have, is that a secret? Should I not talk about

00:05:56.960 that or is that? No, no, it's totally okay.

00:05:59.020 Okay. So you had mentioned that you are taking your executive team to Texas next weekend for

00:06:05.640 Echelon Front with Jocko Willink, JP, all those guys for their muster. You clearly care about Jocko's

00:06:12.200 opinion. Totally.

00:06:13.800 Because if you didn't care about his opinion, you wouldn't invest all that money to maybe even

00:06:17.620 tens of thousands of dollars with tickets and plane and airfare and hotels and getting the

00:06:21.980 executive team out there. Totally. Yeah.

00:06:24.640 But here's what I would say to, what's the guy's name who asked this question?

00:06:27.980 Kevin.

00:06:28.680 So Kevin, here's what I would say. It's not really a matter of whether or not

00:06:32.220 you care what other people think. It's a matter of aligning your dreams and visions with the people

00:06:38.360 who are going to help you achieve that in the best way possible. So your wife should be on board with

00:06:42.660 that. Friends should be on board with that. Colleagues, coworkers, mentors, coaches, guys on your

00:06:49.880 battle team, because you're part of the iron council, they should be behind you in support of that.

00:06:54.280 And then if you're not, you can reevaluate. So in the spirit of the question, what does your vision

00:06:59.280 look like? I really don't know because I don't, I don't know you, right? I don't know what you're

00:07:03.920 after. I don't know what your hopes and your dreams and your desires are. I don't know what your fears

00:07:07.800 are. I don't know what you're working to overcome. I don't know what tragedies or trauma you might be

00:07:13.420 experiencing. That's changing your worldview and your perception of life. I have no idea. And it's not

00:07:18.760 really for me to decide because then we get into the question of, am I doing this for Ryan or am I doing

00:07:23.300 this for me? So what I would encourage you to do is really sit down and spend some time thinking

00:07:28.040 about who you want to be and how you want to show up. Maybe how these are prompts, how you want people

00:07:34.320 to remember you. Again, it's not for them. It's just to give you a different context in which to view the

00:07:39.600 way you're showing up. So how you want people to remember you. Here's another good prompt.

00:07:45.180 What type of men do you look up to and what characteristics do they espouse? Are they of

00:07:50.760 integrity? Are they physically fit? Are they financially abundant? Are they passive? Are

00:07:56.760 they more assertive? Start looking at these people. Maybe it's Jocko. Everything about Jocko's

00:08:02.220 life is not something I want to emulate, but there's elements of his life that I think, man,

00:08:06.540 this is somebody who has discipline. So I want to be a disciplined man. It could be somebody who is

00:08:13.040 John Lovell with Warrior Poet Society Network. This is somebody who's convicted in his beliefs.

00:08:19.420 Maybe our beliefs don't always align, but I'm convicted. I want to be convicted like that guy.

00:08:23.940 What did you say?

00:08:25.280 And thinks he's funny.

00:08:27.060 And thinks he's funny.

00:08:27.960 Yeah. He does think he's funny.

00:08:30.020 Well, he's the quintessential dorky dad. And John, I say that with all the love I have in my heart for

00:08:36.700 you. And he knows it. He knows it. So yeah, those are some prompts. And then ask yourself,

00:08:44.540 who am I doing this for? And here's another thing that you should consider. If this is morbid,

00:08:50.740 but I think it's important to consider. Let's say you're talking about the kind of husband that you

00:08:54.240 want to be. If again, this is morbid. I'm just trying to give you some context. If your wife died

00:09:00.440 tomorrow, would the kind of man that you want to be for her change? Because if it would change,

00:09:06.600 then maybe that's not as deep as you need to go. Yeah. What kind of man do you want to be

00:09:12.640 regardless of whether or not you're married, regardless of whether or not people follow you,

00:09:18.180 regardless of what people think of you? What is it at your core that drives you intrinsically

00:09:23.920 and is not based on financial acumen, not based on public accolades, not based on arbitrary titles

00:09:33.460 like husband or father? Because those things could potentially go away. Employee, business owner,

00:09:40.300 rich person, right? Those things could all go away. What are you left with? That's when you find out who

00:09:44.980 you are. Totally. I like, one of the benefits of the IC is the world shows up in our little ecosystem,

00:09:54.300 right? Not little, but our big ecosystem, right? But it's little in the aspects of the world.

00:09:59.760 And what I love is the natural progression of members that join the Iron Council. And I think

00:10:06.460 it relates to Kevin's question here. Most guys join the Iron Council for who? For themselves.

00:10:12.340 For themselves. Sure. Right? They're like, hey, there's this area that I need to improve on. And

00:10:16.680 the focus is myself. Now it's not negative in the sense of like, hey, I'm going to improve myself so

00:10:21.900 I can be a better dad and whatever. And then we get guys that have been in for five years, for six

00:10:28.820 years, seven years. If you ask those guys why they're there, they're there for other people.

00:10:35.040 So Kevin, maybe you do have your stuff together more than me. Maybe you have everything dialed in and

00:10:41.040 you're like, dude, like, I don't have any goals because I'm dialed in. Well, the next step of that

00:10:46.080 process is what are you doing for other people? And are you growing your circle of impact? Because

00:10:53.720 it's great that you have your stuff dialed in. How's your family? Got that, Kip. Check. Okay,

00:10:58.220 great. How's your community? Got that. Check. Okay. How's your state? Right? That is the echelon of

00:11:05.100 growth is once we have things dialed in with us, we broaden our impact for the greater good.

00:11:12.600 And so if you're struggling with, hey, I don't know what my vision is because everything's dialed

00:11:16.060 in, then you pick a problem. Pick a problem at the state level. Pick a problem at the national level.

00:11:21.940 Shit. Pick a problem at the world level and make it your problem and do something about it. That's

00:11:28.180 how you now take on the next step of your progression.

00:11:31.580 I mean, isn't that what we've done here, Kip? Totally. That's exactly what you've done.

00:11:36.880 You're like, hey, I got a problem. Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to, I choose something and I'm going

00:11:41.080 to tackle it. I'm going to make it mine. And I'm going to do something about it instead of being like

00:11:45.840 everyone else that runs their mouths and moans and complains about how things aren't, or they

00:11:50.120 shouldn't, or shouldn't be a certain way. And instead you're doing something about it. And what does it

00:11:54.320 do for you? Gives you fulfillment, purpose, meaning. Yep. And you make a difference. That's what you do.

00:12:00.540 Yeah. Right on. What's next? All right. May I should have prepped on the pronunciation of this

00:12:07.400 name? Raul Allen Kuterres. As this month's book covers creating memorable moments, what is an

00:12:15.480 unexpected IC related moment that really stands out to you? Iron council. I mean, I've had a lot of

00:12:22.180 moments that were unexpected, but now man, we're talking about iron. Like a profound one, like a

00:12:27.620 positive. Yeah. In, but specifically in the iron council. Yes. Yeah. Look, I mean, every time that

00:12:35.620 we, every time we promote somebody in the iron council, that those to me are special moments.

00:12:41.520 Yeah. Because it means a guy came in, whether it was a year ago or five years ago, trying to improve

00:12:47.480 himself. And I'm not saying he's perfect. I'm not perfect. Nobody is, but he's trying to improve

00:12:51.520 himself. He doesn't have tools. He doesn't have systems. He doesn't have frameworks. He doesn't

00:12:55.600 have accountability in his life. And he's created this mediocrity, mediocre, mediocre life for

00:12:59.860 himself. And he comes in the iron council and he learns about a system that we've created over years

00:13:05.680 and thousands and thousands of hours, tens of thousands of men trying and experimenting and

00:13:10.640 testing. And he's implementing this to the point now where he can, we, we feel confident that he can

00:13:18.160 lead 12, 15 other guys or a mentor. Who's now not only responsible for a team now is responsible for

00:13:26.140 teams or, or you Kip, you know, getting to do this podcast and like working to where you are right now

00:13:34.480 is like to call you a friend and to see like your own growth. And that's part of what I was talking about

00:13:38.740 earlier when I said, you're getting really good at this. I'm like, man, that's a special thing for

00:13:42.780 me. Not because I want to take away from what you've done, but because I love seeing your growth.

00:13:47.680 I love it. What, and you created that opportunity for me. I mean, it was only made available through

00:13:52.180 you. Yeah. It's, it's, I know that isn't like one moment that's super profound. But man, all of

00:14:00.220 those are instrumental or little messages I get, you know, a guy might say, Hey Ryan, you know, I was,

00:14:06.980 I was going through a separation with my wife and, and we've really changed things over the past two

00:14:11.280 years and we're welcoming our first son or, you know, I was 50 pounds overweight. I was struggling

00:14:17.360 with some medical stuff and I just got done running my first marathon, you know, or I got married or

00:14:22.580 Ryan, I've had this business idea forever and I've never done anything about it. And I started,

00:14:28.920 and I just made my first sale. That stuff to me is that's fuel. That is just rocket fuel for me.

00:14:36.080 I'm like, okay, yeah, we're still doing the right. We've got a guy who, uh, you know, his wife was

00:14:43.640 unfaithful to him and he decided, you know what, I'm going to try to make this work.

00:14:49.480 And they have a beautiful marriage now, you know, and we, we could judge that, right?

00:14:53.440 Guys automatically are, whether they would or wouldn't, you can look at it through your lens,

00:14:56.620 but the fact of the matter is, is he wanted to salvage his marriage and they did. And they have a

00:15:00.980 beautiful marriage now. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that gets me going.

00:15:08.040 Yeah. I totally agree. There's, and there's so many of those stories and it's funny.

00:15:14.320 I don't know if you feel this way, but I, I think sometimes I feel like we're just talking in circles,

00:15:19.940 you know, and then, and then you get those messages or you hear those stories. And then all

00:15:25.420 and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, it is providing value. You're right. It is connecting with people

00:15:31.660 and, and, uh, what we're doing is important. It's just, sometimes you, you lose sight of that a

00:15:36.420 little bit. Yeah. I think one thing to also remember just from a perspective of how is this

00:15:41.880 question and answer going to serve somebody else is don't underestimate the value that you bring to

00:15:48.340 the table. And I know, you know, Kip, you and I are in a very interesting position where we're

00:15:53.680 literally impacting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of men. They hear our message.

00:15:58.440 They hear our voices every day. I know you've been out in public and people have recognized you.

00:16:03.620 That occasionally happens with me as well. We're in a different position than a lot of guys,

00:16:07.480 but I don't care if you're impacting 4 million people or the four people at your dinner table

00:16:13.640 tonight. Don't ever, ever underestimate the value of a story that you told about your day

00:16:21.280 or the example of getting up and going to the gym that your son saw, or you going to your game,

00:16:27.540 making out of going out of your way to sacrifice, maybe some work hours or some other of your own

00:16:32.380 personal hobbies and interests to make it to your son or daughter's game or recital. Don't

00:16:36.940 ever underestimate that. And, and just put your head down and go to work. You may never fully,

00:16:42.700 in fact, you won't ever fully realize the impact that you're making, but that's not why we do it.

00:16:48.220 We do it because we're men of value. We do it because it's intrinsically correct.

00:16:53.840 And it's just, it's just the right thing to do. Totally. Example of that. We, um,

00:16:59.760 Beja, she did this awesome thing for our neighborhood. She put on a pickleball tournament.

00:17:03.780 Oh yeah. Like people played in different backyards and this was a whole Saturday event. It was super

00:17:09.500 fun. I got destroyed. I didn't win a single match. Sounds about, sounds about. That sounds about right.

00:17:15.140 But, um, while we were there, our neighbor's sister, um, showed up to support her brother

00:17:25.840 and I saw her and I was like, Oh, Hey, how you doing? And, and, and part of me felt like, man,

00:17:33.020 I should talk to her. I haven't seen her for a while and just, you know, have a good conversation

00:17:37.620 with her. Two days later, she actually committed suicide. And, and I'm not saying that's on me,

00:17:45.440 like all I could have or with anything, but how nice would it have been just to have a strong

00:17:51.700 connection and a good solid relationship, maybe on her way out. You know what I mean? And those are

00:17:58.280 the things that we don't know. We don't know how she was, how she was feeling that night. She seemed

00:18:02.800 happy. You know, I think she was already kind of had things planned out and that's actually a sign

00:18:07.500 for a lot of people who commit suicide is once they're decided there, they kind of have peace

00:18:12.100 with the idea of it. But, but nonetheless, in hindsight, I'm like, Hey man, I, I should have

00:18:17.500 reached out to her a little bit more. I should have talked to her a little bit more while she was

00:18:20.580 there. And, and those are the things that, that with time and our understanding of, we don't know

00:18:25.900 just back to what you said. You don't know when your wife's going to die. You don't know when

00:18:29.300 your kids are going to die. You, we don't know how long we have with people. Uh, in fact,

00:18:33.800 I was sharing with someone on Instagram the other day. It's like one of the best things I ever did

00:18:39.000 around my relationship with my parents. And I don't, I wish I could give credit where I heard this

00:18:44.100 was don't think that you have 10 years with your parents. Cause I thought like at their age,

00:18:50.540 I probably have five to 10 years with them. That's not true. I had five to 10 summers.

00:18:56.260 That's it. Five to 10 summers because I'm not visiting him every day. Right. I I'm max for,

00:19:04.020 for visits a year, maybe times 10 times five, that's 20 visits. I got, that's all I got with

00:19:10.740 them. And, and luckily I acted upon that leading up to my dad's, uh, before my dad started kind of

00:19:17.860 dying. And, and I took advantage of the last couple of summers a little bit more than I normally would

00:19:23.860 have done if I was, if I wasn't present to that. And so we, we don't have time either. You know,

00:19:30.740 it's not on our sides and that intentionality is critical. Yeah. Yeah. There's, I I've got another

00:19:36.700 little, little story. I mean, a lot of guys know about my own personal situation over the past year,

00:19:40.880 year and a half now. Um, you know, my relationship with my older boys is strained still, you know,

00:19:46.340 and I, and I think anybody that's gone through a divorce, regardless of the circumstances,

00:19:50.000 understands and feels what that's like. And there's days where I feel like, man, I'm doing

00:19:56.640 everything that I can to, to mend these relationships and to build relationships.

00:20:00.920 And they're not strained to the point where they can't recover them. I just want to be really

00:20:04.060 clear on that. We still have a great relationship, but there's some strain there. Uh, and, and, and

00:20:09.000 there's days where I feel like, man, I'm just beating my head against the wall and nothing's

00:20:12.360 happened. Nothing's happened. Nothing's happening. You know what? As a father, I would do that

00:20:16.440 forever. Even if nothing ever changed, even if it got worse, I would still do that because

00:20:24.380 that's, again, intrinsically as a father, you may have messed up. You may have done all sorts of

00:20:30.960 things. That's what we do. That's intrinsically the right thing to do. And we do it for the right

00:20:36.660 reason. And if you're doing things for the right reason, the motivation issue seems to dissipate.

00:20:42.740 The issue of, ah, I'm just not getting anything in return seems to dissipate. You're not doing it

00:20:48.780 for that. That's not the reason you're doing it. Now, if it happens, great. You know, obviously we

00:20:52.980 want to reap the benefits of our efforts, but if it doesn't happen, man, you could, you could go to

00:20:58.540 your grave knowing that, yeah, I may have messed some things up, but man, up and after that point,

00:21:03.160 I did everything I possibly could. And there's some, there's honor in that.

00:21:08.180 Totally. Totally. Matthew Keaton, what defines a leader? If a man is showing up as he should at home

00:21:16.660 and, or at work, is it possible for him not to be a leader?

00:21:20.880 No, I think a leader, the best definition I ever heard is a leader is an individual who can get

00:21:26.900 somebody to a place they could not have imagined going on their own. I like that. And that could be

00:21:33.520 some mental and emotional barriers that could be physical barriers, physical barrier. A great

00:21:37.920 example of that is a coach, you know, coach is there to motivate, to inspire, to give you a kick

00:21:42.700 in the pants when you need. And then all of a sudden you break past what you previously were,

00:21:46.500 and you mold yourself into this new individual who's strong and fit and lean and confident.

00:21:51.580 That's a leader, you know, a coach on the baseball field of a young man who is down on himself and

00:21:59.020 beat up because he's having a bad game. And the coach walks out there and who knows what he says

00:22:03.700 to his pitcher, but he says something. He strikes the last batter out to win the game. That's a

00:22:08.000 leader, a young man who is with a group of buddies and they decide they want to go steal a car,

00:22:14.980 break into a house or steal something from the store. And the one young man says, you know, guys,

00:22:19.660 this isn't the right thing to do. Like, let's go down and chase the girls around instead, 0.76

00:22:24.340 or go to the football game and do that. And gets those boys out of that situation into a positive

00:22:30.360 enhancing situation. That's a leader. So the leader isn't like the title. That's what a lot

00:22:36.980 of people think. I'm the leader. I'm the boss. I hate boss. I hate that word.

00:22:40.700 Yeah. They, they, they associate it to formal authority as well. And now I'm in leadership.

00:22:46.320 And authority is, authority is needed in certain circumstances, right? For example, as a father,

00:22:51.120 you need the, you need the authority of a father, that father authority. It just doesn't have the

00:22:56.240 same weight. If you're not, if you don't have that authority, you think about the dynamic between

00:23:00.140 a biological father and a stepfather. You can't tell me that you're not my dad. Well, yeah,

00:23:04.940 because you don't have the same authority that a biological father would. Totally. So authority is,

00:23:10.920 is important, but you get authority through two things, developing credibility,

00:23:16.700 which speaks to your capability. Is this a person worth following because they can actually get me

00:23:22.580 to that place. And with that comes the next component, which is influence. So if you take

00:23:28.040 that scenario of the five young boys who are going to go steal something from the convenience store

00:23:32.500 and the fifth boy says, no guys, let's not, that's dumb. Let's do this instead.

00:23:36.820 The only reason they would listen to that guy is because he has some sort of credibility.

00:23:41.260 And then that turns into influence. Now it's like, oh, you know what? Yeah, you're right. We

00:23:47.080 shouldn't do that. All right, let's go to the game. He influenced them. And because he influenced

00:23:51.960 them, now he has the authority to lead them because they have voluntarily given the authority to him.

00:23:58.840 He becomes the leader of the group. And this goes both ways. It could be negative as well.

00:24:04.660 Yeah. So I, I, I think generally I would associate leaders leadership. It's, it's not,

00:24:10.800 it's amoral leading is amoral. I mean, you could think about some of the most horrific

00:24:15.480 tragedies, even with something like the horribleness. Yeah. Yeah. Is that leading?

00:24:21.120 Yeah. I mean, they are inspiring people to carry out things that they didn't even previously think

00:24:26.520 themselves capable of. But I think inherently there's a sense of morality infused in the concept

00:24:32.380 of leadership. Totally. Totally. I can't help but reference our, our leadership development

00:24:37.600 program, right? From within the iron council. One of the things that we mentioned there is,

00:24:42.280 is our competence, skill and ability, our character, which is to your point, influence.

00:24:49.440 And then the last is relationship because it is possible, right? For me to be highly skilled.

00:24:55.160 I have good character, but, but my intent with you is selfish or my intent is different. And, and,

00:25:02.980 and there's almost like this elevated way when I, when I go like, Hey, not only does Ryan have,

00:25:10.400 have the competence and I trust him from an integrity perspective, but he actually generally

00:25:15.240 is looking out for me as a person. Whoa. Right now I'm just like, I love this guy. Right. Because

00:25:21.680 now it's like, you're in my corner and there's some elevated benefit there. One quick example of this,

00:25:28.060 and I'll make it quick. I had an employee back in the day, he was in a senior, senior role on the

00:25:33.840 team. And we're talking about his development plan. And I said, Hey, I really need you to step up into

00:25:40.020 a role of mentoring and coaching the other associate or more junior resources. He's like, okay. And what

00:25:47.560 does that look like? We talked through it. I had a follow-up with him in a quarter. And I said,

00:25:52.160 how's that going? And he goes, Kip, man, it's not working. And I'm like, well, what's not working? He's

00:25:57.620 like, well, I, I need the title. I need to be their leader for them to listen to me. And I told

00:26:03.900 him, I said, Hey, if it requires a formal authority for them to listen to you, then you don't belong

00:26:10.600 in leadership because that tells me you have no influence with them right now. We always want

00:26:17.340 those in a, an authoritative role, almost for it to be a no brainer, right? Oh, Hey, this guy's my boss.

00:26:23.880 Oh yeah. I kind of already saw him. He already was. He was so influential in my life. And I,

00:26:28.720 you know, I was already listening to him because I value his input and all those other things.

00:26:32.700 No one is going to go, Oh, now he's my boss. Now let me listen to him. That's a horrible sign

00:26:38.040 because that means that, that they're going to be compliant with that person in authority.

00:26:43.080 They're not being influenced in a positive way. They're just being compliant from a control

00:26:48.120 perspective. And so be, be mindful. That's a good example of, of that moral authority and

00:26:53.640 influence versus a formal position. Yep. I like that. That makes sense. I was just looking it up

00:26:59.360 because we've talked a lot about the concept of leading before the title. I was looking at it,

00:27:02.640 the leadership development course, but yeah, leading before the title, you know, just lead,

00:27:06.960 lead. Cool. What's next? Everyone has those. All right. Clayton Biden advice on how we can play the long

00:27:13.680 game yet treat every day, like a gift, blessing, and opportunity that it is while remembering we

00:27:19.580 all die one day, as they say, the grave is undefeated. Being mindful present in the moment

00:27:25.200 has helped and reminding myself of my vision has been beneficial, but any other words of wisdom is

00:27:30.840 greatly appreciated. Thank you gentlemen for all the value, valuable information and advice that you

00:27:35.100 give. Um, I wouldn't say that this is a false dichotomy fallacy, but maybe it is, you know,

00:27:41.760 the idea maybe. Yeah. I mean, the fact that you're saying, Hey, how do we balance, uh, the long-term

00:27:49.140 game with being complacent or not complacent, excuse me, comfortable and, and, and satisfied with where

00:27:54.600 we are. It's almost like you're saying you can pick one, like you can either play the long game

00:27:59.580 and not be happy or satisfied or, or, or content with what you have, or you can, you can be aggressive

00:28:08.620 and everything else and get out. You know what I'm saying? Like you're having to choose one or the

00:28:12.760 other. And I think the best advice that I've ever heard or, or, or figured out maybe even along these

00:28:19.240 lines is that those two concepts are not at odds with each other. The fact that you want to have

00:28:25.380 something, a better life, a better relationship, a better whatever can translate very well into what

00:28:33.660 you do today, because what you do today and tomorrow and the next day and the next day and

00:28:38.380 the next day leads you to where you're going to be in five years. So you should be thinking about

00:28:44.380 both. And that's why the vision is so important. So if I, if I get up today and I'm like, you know,

00:28:50.820 you actually talked about this on last week's podcast about like, Hey, I'm just going to sleep in

00:28:54.520 today. And I can't remember the exact framing that you used, but you were talking about,

00:28:59.740 you have to, you have to lie to yourself, right. To, to keep yourself in bed. But if I get up and

00:29:06.520 I do that, it's going to be easier to do. If I have fixed me getting out of bed with a vision of

00:29:13.260 me being the kind of man that I want to be. I did this in a very rudimentary way that I don't even

00:29:18.720 know if it completely makes sense. The psychology of it maybe, but it worked years ago. I was drinking

00:29:23.260 a ton of monster energy drinks and so many that I would got this like Twitch in my eye, but it wouldn't

00:29:29.100 like go away. It was like a, like a permanent little Twitch in my eye or caffeine in your eye

00:29:34.400 eyelid. I was like, this is, you guys know what I'm talking about? Those involuntary little muscle

00:29:38.820 spasms. And it would like, you know, they happen every, every once in a while, but they, but this

00:29:43.980 one wouldn't go away. It was there for like days kind of scared me, actually. I'm like, what is going

00:29:47.240 on? Yeah. And I wanted to stop drinking monster energy drinks. I convinced myself that successful men

00:29:54.080 don't drink monster energy drinks. Now, is that true? No, probably not. It doesn't have anything

00:30:00.080 to do with it. I'm sure there's plenty of successful guys who drink monster energy. Like

00:30:04.040 I'm sure of that. But I told myself and believed that a guy of my caliber, the guy that I want to

00:30:10.600 be, he doesn't do that. Yeah. And it worked. And that's the point I'm making is if you have a vision,

00:30:17.160 that vision can be completely fabricated. It could be operating in the realm of delusion.

00:30:21.940 Vision. But if you believe it and then you start aligning your actions with that vision

00:30:28.080 that you have, it's inevitable. Yeah. It's inevitable. It will happen. So I think you

00:30:34.220 need to do, I think both are required long-term vision, uh, with, you know, the, the current

00:30:39.800 action that you're taking tip. You might have some things to say on this. I want to pull up

00:30:43.500 a resource while you do. So go ahead and share your thoughts. I'm going to try to pull this

00:30:46.400 up. Okay. Well, and I actually kind of want to bounce this idea off you. So I don't know

00:30:50.460 if I'm going to disrupt you while you're looking that up. No, go for it. But, but I find this

00:30:54.960 interesting and I'm maybe a little bit of a rat hole here, but let me try this out. I think

00:31:01.100 sometimes we take goals and we put the weight on the outcome. And so we grind it out, right? It's

00:31:09.060 like, okay, I'm going to grind this out. I'm going to grind. I'm going to grind. And then by doing all

00:31:14.040 this work, I'm going to get this outcome, that's going to make things better. And then, then I'll

00:31:22.440 have a better relationship with my spouse, or then my relationship with my kids will be at, or then

00:31:27.460 I'll be comfortable and I'll have all this money or whatever. And, and I think we sometimes put too

00:31:33.680 much weight in the outcome and fail to realize that the majority of happiness and fulfillment

00:31:40.320 is in the present state of being towards the vision itself. And, and, and I think that comes

00:31:49.160 into play into Clayton's question because we play the long game and it's like the long game kind of

00:31:53.840 implies that when the game's over, then, right, then I'll be satisfied. Then I'll be when reality,

00:32:03.020 it's like the, the biggest benefit is enjoying the journey and how we show up every day more than

00:32:12.280 necessarily outcome itself. And so for me, I have to be careful of that because I put too much weight

00:32:18.120 in regards to how things should be or what will happen when I reach. And I forget to live in the

00:32:24.180 moment. I forget to enjoy what I have right now. And, and it kind of goes back to what you're saying

00:32:30.120 earlier. It's like, well, what does that look like? It looks like being whole, complete and living the

00:32:36.780 day to the fullest today, having a good workout. Why? So I can lose a lot of weight. Sure. But did I

00:32:42.800 feel good just having the workout? I did, right? Did I listen to myself? Was I in integrity? I show up

00:32:49.460 powerfully as a husband today? I did regardless of the outcome. And I think we find peace and fulfillment

00:32:56.500 in just how we're constantly showing up. So be careful not to delay that happiness or delay

00:33:03.680 that satisfaction to the circumstance and, and, and have it be rooted in, in the present.

00:33:09.920 Now I say all that with a little bit of hesitant, right? Because I'm a little fearful too. It's like,

00:33:14.600 okay, well then do we not make goals, Kip? Do we not, you know, have plans? And I don't think that's

00:33:19.120 true, but we just be careful how much weight we put on the outcome versus the process.

00:33:24.960 Yeah. And I also, I think this goes along with what you're saying is if everything about it

00:33:30.100 is miserable, why are you doing it? Exactly. I think about this with guys that are in jobs that

00:33:36.620 they hate, they absolutely despise. And they're like, well, you know, I got 20 years in, so I'll

00:33:41.840 just keep going. That's not a good reason to do anything that you hate. Because you've been doing

00:33:47.080 it for a long time, you're going to, you've resigned your life to, to continuing to do it that way.

00:33:52.340 That seems silly to put it mildly. Um, yeah. And this goes back to what you were saying is life

00:33:57.760 is so short, might as well do things that you enjoy doing. I mean, I know we have responsibilities,

00:34:02.700 but I think it's, I don't, I'm not gonna say it's easy, but I think there's all sorts of ways that you

00:34:08.280 can fulfill responsibilities and have fun while you're doing it. I actually was going to tell you,

00:34:12.860 because you were talking about Asia with, with pickleball. I have a new project that I'm going to

00:34:17.620 share and unveil to the world here before too long with regards to pickleball.

00:34:22.200 Oh, really?

00:34:23.600 Purely because it's fun. I want to make some money doing it because I know I can, and I want to

00:34:30.660 generate a little additional revenue, but it's fun. Like it's enjoyable. So why not? That's what we

00:34:36.640 should do. Like I can fulfill responsibilities and have fun in the process.

00:34:40.500 Totally. Totally. I had one last thought and hopefully he doesn't mind this. He won't mind.

00:34:47.940 He's a, he's a good enough friend of ours, but I, I had this conversation with Jenkins the other day.

00:34:54.500 When we were in high school, I really saw him as an individual. That would be the funnest dad ever.

00:35:01.620 That's how I envisioned him because he's so goofy and he's always happy. And he's always just like

00:35:06.500 so great to be around. And I had a conversation with him last week and he said, I don't bring that

00:35:14.500 to being a dad and he's rigid and he's processed and he's judgmental and these other rigid ways of

00:35:24.020 being a dad and his greatest talent is enjoyment and fun, but he's not bringing that to the table

00:35:31.260 of fatherhood. Right. What a shame. And, and, and how great of an experience that would be to have

00:35:38.200 that version be a dad versus the dad that's always about business, you know? And, and, and I, I'm not

00:35:45.540 saying that to judge Matt because I'm the same way. Right. It's like, you know, and I share this story

00:35:49.700 probably too often, but like Asia once told me, she's like, Kip, you can get all these things done.

00:35:54.420 It's really great. But your kids don't give a crap. If you're the kind of personal person that

00:35:59.800 gets there by being miserable, they don't want to follow you. Yeah. You know? So sure. Does the

00:36:06.820 house need to get clean? Sure. Yeah, it does. But guess what? Could I turn on the music and have fun

00:36:10.800 with it? I certainly could. Could I, could I have fun and could we progress today and being enjoyable?

00:36:17.380 And the answer is yes. No. Oh, sorry. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:36:20.540 And yeah, you're going to pull up a resource. Yeah. I couldn't find it. No. Sorry, guys.

00:36:29.560 No, I think you're time, man. I was rambling. No, I think in my interview with John Deloney

00:36:35.720 several weeks ago, I think if I remember correctly, we talked about balancing the idea of ambition and

00:36:45.200 contentment. So you can go back and listen to that one. I'm pretty sure we talked about it in that episode.

00:36:49.620 Okay. Excellent. All right. So question from Jay, one of our, one of our leaders within the Iron

00:36:56.700 Council, complete stud, by the way. Actually, hold on. I'm sorry. It was Michael Easter. I know it was

00:37:02.760 Michael. It was that interview I did on October 10th with Michael Easter. We talked about, we talked

00:37:07.000 about that question. Ambitious goal setting versus being content and satisfied with where you are.

00:37:13.300 It was with Michael Easter. Okay. Back to Jay. Okay. So Jay's question is, is good enough ever

00:37:19.500 good enough? Kind of in the spirit of the same question. Does the constant need to be able to

00:37:23.840 do better ever become an exercise in futility or even hold us back from living in the moment and

00:37:29.680 actually moving forward? Just to be clear, I do not mean settling. I mean, living our best life

00:37:35.280 and experiencing the positive moments. Do we feel like we've answered Jay's question or is there

00:37:39.740 anything you'd add? I think there might be a little bit of difference here. Like I don't,

00:37:43.040 I feel like if I'm going to do something, I want to be exceptional at it. Yeah. And I also feel like

00:37:48.080 if I'm not interested in being exceptional at it, then I just won't do it. And that's okay. You know,

00:37:55.800 I don't have to do everything that you do. I don't have to do everything that my neighbor does. I don't

00:38:00.060 have to do it the same way that other people do it. Um, I'm also trying to work on giving myself

00:38:08.400 permission to just experiment without any expectation of anything in return.

00:38:13.220 That's hard, but I, I, it is hard to that. Yeah. It's like, okay, you know, maybe you want to pick

00:38:18.040 up a new hobby or a new activity or a new interest, or maybe a new regiment with your physical fitness

00:38:22.740 and, or maybe it's a new book even. And you start reading the book and you're like, you know,

00:38:27.120 I don't like this book. Put the damn book down. You pick up. There's, there's literally millions

00:38:32.640 of other books that you can read. Maybe you're watching a movie. Like this movie is lame. Change

00:38:36.660 the movie, right? Or you're, or you're in this new training regiment and you're like, you know what?

00:38:41.760 This is miserable, but I don't want to quit. No quit actually quit doing that. There's a thousand

00:38:47.640 other things that you could do that would be better for you that would engage your mind and your heart

00:38:52.520 and your soul. So do that. So I think maybe in a roundabout way to Jay's point, if it's just not

00:38:59.420 something that speaks to you or calls to you, it's okay to let go of a few things. It's okay not to do

00:39:03.800 that. It's okay to not be interested in what your, your brother might be interested in. And then just

00:39:08.720 giving yourself permission to, to dabble, you know, I'm going to dabble in this, you know, and you're

00:39:13.860 going to hear all these, these motivational podcasts, like don't go all the way. No, some things I will

00:39:19.440 other things that just, yeah, I just want to dabble. That's all I want to do. And I'm okay

00:39:23.000 with it. Like I'm totally okay with it. And I think there's some, um, this is hard for me to

00:39:28.300 talk about just because I'm not good at it and it's something I'm working on, but I think there's

00:39:31.760 just some grace in that of like, yeah, I'm not going to be the best at that. And that's okay.

00:39:36.100 I still have fun doing it. Totally. Totally. Well, and, and I think the, the value of realizing the

00:39:42.700 impact is beneficial to me. Like this, this is something that I've struggled with, um, really around

00:39:48.440 jujitsu actually in my past where I'm like, I want to be the best at that. Right. I hate not winning in

00:39:56.240 competitions and I always want to be first. And, and I, and I really struggled with that balance of

00:40:02.280 like, yeah, but Kip, are you willing to pay the price? And the answer was always like, no, like I,

00:40:10.900 I want to keep progressing in my career and be okay at jujitsu. And I'm, and I'm okay with that.

00:40:18.440 But if I constantly went like, Oh, I want to be the best at that, or I want to be at best.

00:40:22.540 Then what ends up happening is I'm saying yes to too many things and I'll not be the best at any of

00:40:27.160 them because I'm not getting clear on the price that that is going to be paid to pull that off.

00:40:33.480 And so I, it's kind of, we have to be realistic, right. Of what that's going to require and, and

00:40:39.120 deal in reality. I have another example that just to, just to drive home that point, I think is

00:40:44.980 one thing that I've been adamant. If you know, and follow this podcast, I hate to cook.

00:40:51.040 I hate it. And people are like, Oh, it's because you're not doing it right. No, it's because I hate

00:40:55.440 it. Not because I'm not doing it right. And, and given my current circumstances, much of which are my

00:41:02.640 own doing, I've had to learn how to cook. Cause I'm not going to take my kids to McDonald's every

00:41:06.720 night when they're with me, that ain't going to work either. So I'm starting to cook a little

00:41:11.320 and I have people like, Oh, try this recipe and try that and do that. I'm like, no,

00:41:15.680 I'm not going to do that because I don't want to take a bunch of time. I'm, I'm cooking. And I've

00:41:19.760 actually found some joy in it. So I'm going to be clear on that. I found some joy in actually

00:41:23.200 learning how to cook. I'm never going to be Gordon Ramsey, but I'm not interested in it.

00:41:28.620 And I'm not, I'm never going to take your recipe that you send to me and you're like, try this and

00:41:32.480 grocery shop for this and buy all this bullshit. I'm not going to do that because I don't want to,

00:41:37.760 but I can make a decent enough meal that my kids will eat it with a smile on their face and then go

00:41:43.700 to bed full. And that's good enough for me right now. So yeah, I think there's all, all sorts of

00:41:50.360 places where doing what is appropriate for you is completely fine. So Ryan, you last comment on the

00:41:59.340 podcast, we've talked about the analogy of, you don't know how to summit a peak sometimes until we

00:42:05.980 get over a ridge because we don't have all the information and the path looks different.

00:42:10.940 Once we put in the reps regarding Jay's conversation or his question, how do you think

00:42:16.500 that correlates to, because sometimes I think we say the best or our expectations of good

00:42:23.000 is based upon a limited knowledge of things. Yeah. And I think, and there's an element to that,

00:42:29.280 right? Yeah. I think, I think that requires a level of honesty with yourself because it would be easy.

00:42:34.920 So let me give you an example. You're on this hike and it's, it's hard. It's miserable. You're

00:42:40.440 not enjoying it. Do you stop and turn around or do you keep going? I think it'd be easy to convince

00:42:48.520 ourselves that it's probably not worth it. Let's just turn around. But if you're being honest with

00:42:54.260 yourself, you know why you're quitting. Is it you're quitting because you're no longer interested

00:42:58.420 and it might be that you're no longer interested in something. And if you aren't, then it's okay to quit

00:43:03.160 and turn around or maybe go on a different hike. But if your heart's still in it, you're still

00:43:09.240 interested. There's still some level of curiosity, some ambition in it. It's just hard to me that

00:43:15.800 curiosity is enough to keep me going. Yeah. You know, if I'm on that hike and I'm like, this is

00:43:21.560 hard. I think I should turn around, but I'm like, but I really want to see what's over there. That's

00:43:25.140 the, that's the phrase that wins. Like, I really want to see that means you're still in it. It's just

00:43:29.840 hard. Yeah. Totally. But so you just have to be honest. Are you quitting and not doing that thing

00:43:34.760 anymore? Like your job? Are you quitting because your boss made you feel horrible today? And so

00:43:40.360 you're quitting and throwing in the towel on something you love, or was it just kind of a

00:43:43.280 shitty day and just deal with it and, you know, come back and tomorrow will be better. But that

00:43:48.960 requires some honesty on your part. Yeah. Is it a pivot or is it a tap out? Right. What's what are you

00:43:54.160 doing? Yeah. Good point. Yeah, for sure. Let's take one more, Kip. All right. Justin

00:43:58.720 Ligon Kane, a brand new member of the Iron Council, by the way. My boss, a guy I've known for 20 years

00:44:07.340 is not good at his job. There are tasks that he's good at, but as a leader of our team, his actions

00:44:13.080 are like what, like a wet blanket. I came in five months ago to fix the office. I was told by my

00:44:18.960 leadership to unleash the beast. That being said, I've increased morale, teamwork, revenue. It soon

00:44:25.520 became apparent that the problem in my office isn't middle managers, but at the head of the table,

00:44:30.840 he isn't leading. He won't make a decision. He hasn't trained me or any of any other team members.

00:44:37.740 My question is this, do I sit down with him and tell him it isn't cutting the mustard or do I go to

00:44:43.960 the guy who hired me who is three levels above? Our VP has told me he should have closed the office

00:44:50.780 three years ago, but he hired this manager and has a soft spot for him. I want the team to be

00:44:57.220 successful, but every time we get step ahead, my boss slaps them back down over petty things.

00:45:03.260 Looking for your advice. Sorry for the background info, but I think it's necessary for your perspective.

00:45:07.800 So what you're talking about right now is what, what pirates would call mutiny. And if you're going

00:45:17.800 to start a mutiny, you better win. Yeah. Cause if you don't, you're dead. So that's what you need

00:45:25.220 to evaluate. Do you have, do you have enough influence? Do you have enough credibility? Do you

00:45:32.300 have enough sway? Do you have enough capability? Do you have a good enough relationship with whoever's

00:45:37.600 next up the echelon of leadership to be able to go to that person and have that person take you

00:45:42.740 seriously? Because if not, you're starting a mutiny. That's not going to turn out well for you.

00:45:49.960 So I would hedge my bets first by going to your boss. And I probably wouldn't go to your boss and say,

00:45:56.040 Hey, what you're doing is not cutting it or whatever the terminology you used.

00:45:59.200 Not cutting the mustard, but I would identify some problems with the dynamic without saying it's his

00:46:06.020 problem and then offer a few solutions. Like, Hey, you know, team morale seems to be low. And I

00:46:11.780 think it has to do with the speed at which we're implementing things. And here's a couple of examples

00:46:16.920 of that. What if I did X, Y, and Z? He might actually be really appreciative of that. You know,

00:46:22.580 he might be looking for that. He might, he might, you say he's the leader, but he's not. Maybe you're

00:46:26.980 the leader to our point earlier. You just don't have the title yet. Yeah. And so I would take it

00:46:32.020 from the bottom up. This is chain of command type stuff. Always start with where you are up one

00:46:37.960 rung of the ladder. Always one rung, not two. Don't get greedy. Yeah. One rung at a time. If it doesn't

00:46:44.200 get solved, then you might need to go to the next rung, but you better be certain that if you start

00:46:48.780 a mutiny, you're going to win the thing. Totally. Or you have a backup plan. Meaning if you get canned,

00:46:55.200 I hope you've got another job lined up because you might get yourself canned by doing it that way.

00:47:00.060 And it might be okay, but start hedging, start hedging. Now talk to your current quote unquote

00:47:07.180 leader in a, in a way that's respectful designed to help him support him. Uh, and, and then, you know,

00:47:14.600 start networking and doing other things so you can build other relationships and create other

00:47:18.200 opportunities. Should this go South? Yeah. And I like what you said. Don't, don't go to him with

00:47:23.920 the, you don't cut the mustard. And, and, and the reason why it doesn't work. Well, he's your boss.

00:47:30.380 He's going to say, you don't cut it. You're fired. No one, no one acts well to that. Right. So

00:47:37.420 everyone will always act well to their ideas, what they come up with and what helps them win.

00:47:43.440 So approach it to strategies of, Hey, Ryan, I have some ideas. Here's some pitfalls that I see on the

00:47:51.440 team. Here's some strategy that we could get better performance and improve what we're doing for the

00:47:58.400 organization. And here's some thoughts that I have. Maybe we, we can pivot as a leadership team,

00:48:04.280 maybe delegate authority better than we are today. Like whatever that is, it's not about him,

00:48:12.240 make it about the team and what you can do to help him win. And then let him through agency and

00:48:19.840 through freedom, see how that fits. And you're going to get way better traction from that perspective.

00:48:25.480 Then, then the mindset that you have today, that he's the problem. Mark my word influences not start

00:48:32.480 from the mindset of a person's the problem. Good influence with someone always is rooted in the

00:48:39.300 mindset of they're not the problem and that they just need the reps or they have some gaps and they

00:48:45.440 don't realize it or whatever, and have a strong relationship with them and then get into correction.

00:48:50.720 Got to be very careful on this because the minute you're, we approach something as they're the

00:48:55.060 problem. All your actions are just manipulative. They're all good. People, it's going to taste

00:49:00.240 your intent. Yeah. And it tastes disgusting when you know, someone's just trying to manipulate you

00:49:07.320 and they don't, they think you're the problem. You, you, you know, it, we all know what happens.

00:49:12.940 Yeah. I mean, I think what you're talking about, you're, you're again, to go to a higher up,

00:49:17.640 which I'm not saying you should not do. I'm just saying, consider it. Yeah. I was thinking

00:49:21.880 about this a little bit more. You're moving from the realm of your current occupation into the game

00:49:26.760 of politics. You're, you're now you're, if you do that, you're now playing a different game and you

00:49:33.300 better be aware of the rules to that game before you start playing. That's solid. Cool. Let's wrap

00:49:39.420 it up, Kip. All right. So a couple of things call the actions, obviously iron councils closed, but

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00:51:33.680 origin is origin. Yeah. Super cool. Super cool movement on their part. Yeah. They're doing great

00:51:40.420 things. All right, Kip. Well, I appreciate you and guys, I appreciate the great questions.

00:51:44.580 Hopefully we gave you some, some things to consider. Uh, and then we'll be back on Friday

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Don't Start a Mutiny You Can't Finish, Broaden Your Impact, and Never Underestimate Your Influence ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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Don't Start a Mutiny You Can't Finish, Broaden Your Impact, and Never Underestimate Your Influence ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING