Order of Man - Dreaming Big and Writing Your Own Story ｜ Charlie Jabaley

00:00:00.000 All of us have a story. We all have a past. Our prior circumstances define who we are today,

00:00:05.080 but do not have to define who we will become moving forward. Too bad most of us never learned

00:00:09.400 to rewrite the script. Today, I am joined by a friend and a man who is impacting and influencing

00:00:14.900 millions. His name is Charlie Jabbily, and he's someone who walked away from a multi-million

00:00:19.740 dollar business to rewrite his life, lose a massive amount of weight, become an endorsed

00:00:25.080 Nike athlete and bike across the USA. We talk about what inspired him to make a life-altering

00:00:31.760 change and how he is using positivity to change the world. You're a man of action. You live life

00:00:37.520 to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down,

00:00:42.400 you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged,

00:00:48.900 resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:55.080 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:00.720 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and founder of

00:01:04.460 this podcast, The Order of Man. I have got a great show lined up for you today. It's been a long time

00:01:09.060 in the works. Charlie and I have played a little bit of a tag back and forth on connecting, but we

00:01:14.280 finally made it work, and I'm so excited to bring this conversation to you. We'll get to that in a

00:01:19.300 minute. Now, guys, if you're new and you're joining us for the first time today, I want to welcome you to

00:01:23.480 the show. This is a podcast, and frankly, it's a movement. It's a movement to restore what it means

00:01:29.080 to be a man in a society that seems to have forgotten what that actually means. So we're

00:01:34.240 working with the world's most successful men, interesting men, successful entrepreneurs,

00:01:39.340 athletes, scholars, warriors, New York Times bestselling authors, you name it. If they've got

00:01:44.040 an interesting story to share, they're doing big things in their life. My job is to interview them,

00:01:48.860 extract their knowledge, extract their systems and their wisdom, and then deliver that straight to

00:01:53.680 you in the form of this podcast. Now, I don't have a whole lot of announcements for you today

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00:03:32.320 go check them out guys doing great things, great story, and great people and friends over at

00:03:36.400 originmain.com slash order of man. Now with that said, let me just jump right into this. I met

00:03:41.680 Charlie Jabbily several months ago. He and I were podcasting in St. Louis with Andy Frisilla on the

00:03:47.720 MFCEO podcast. I know a lot of you guys listen to that show and have heard both Charlie and I on that

00:03:52.080 show and he and I immediately hit it off. And I was extremely, extremely inspired by him, his story

00:03:58.480 and the positive changes that he's making in his life. So much so that it's impacted me to make some

00:04:03.640 positive changes in mind. This man is a Nike endorsed athlete. Although I will say he doesn't

00:04:08.920 look or talk like your typical athlete, but I think that's a good thing. That's a testament to

00:04:14.100 who he is, his infectious energy and how powerful his past, present and future are. Right now he's in

00:04:21.880 the middle of biking across the USA. We actually had to do this on his day off so that we can make

00:04:26.340 this interview work. And he's sharing his story and helping others live the life that they're meant

00:04:30.840 to live. So guys, sit back, take some notes, enjoy this conversation, soak it all up, and hopefully

00:04:36.640 you'll walk away a more inspired and positive person like my friend Charlie is. Charlie, what's

00:04:43.360 going on, brother? Thanks for joining me on the show today. What's up, Brian? Hey, tell me where

00:04:47.480 you're joining me from. I know you're traveling across the U.S. right now, but we didn't even talk

00:04:51.000 about that. Where are you at right now? I am in a small town in Texas called Alpine, Texas. It's quite

00:04:58.160 beautiful. We've been here a couple of days just resting up as we're biking across America.

00:05:02.960 Is that where you saw that? You saw like a Prada store on the trip too, like in the middle of

00:05:08.020 nowhere, right? Yeah, that wasn't too far from here. That was in Marfa, Texas. That was about

00:05:13.780 two towns over. And it was insane. Just a little in the middle of nowhere, desert, just a Prada store.

00:05:23.180 Absolutely just mind-blowing that something like that can exist out here. That's strange. So what's the

00:05:27.600 deal? Did you ever figure it out why that's out there? That seems so strange to me.

00:05:30.940 Yeah, I got thousands of messages from my Instagram followers. They were saying that it was an art

00:05:35.880 installation. And apparently, Marfa, Texas is a pretty interesting place. People were telling me

00:05:42.460 about how Jay-Z was wearing ballroom Marfa hats. A lot of celebrities have done weird things in this

00:05:53.080 little town in the middle of nowhere, Texas. Why? What is it about Martha? Is that what you said?

00:05:58.180 Martha, Texas? What is it about there? It's actually Marfa. M-A-R-F-A. To be honest with you, 0.99

00:06:06.100 I have no idea why this place became what it is. It's just like a two-lane highway. They have a little

00:06:14.240 ballroom where they do big events. And they have this Prada store, which is just really weird.

00:06:20.220 That is weird. Maybe it's the strangest thing you've seen so far, but I bet you've seen some

00:06:24.700 pretty strange things and some also incredible things on your journey. How many miles are you

00:06:29.940 into this thing? I'm just over a thousand miles in.

00:06:32.860 Okay. Yeah. And for those who don't know, I know your story because I'm following you. You and I

00:06:37.120 are friends. We met out in St. Louis. Both of us were interviewing with our good friend, Andy

00:06:41.940 Frisilla with the MFCEO podcast. That's how you and I got connected. And we went to lunch with Vaughn.

00:06:47.820 And man, I was blown away with your story, but you know what? I got to tell you even more so than

00:06:52.780 your story. I remember sitting there at lunch and we were ordering some food and we got some

00:06:57.300 appetizers. You were so disciplined with your food that you're like, okay, tell me about this.

00:07:02.760 How is this made? All right, here's what I need to order. And I was actually really impressed

00:07:07.020 because I think it's really easy for people to talk about what they want to do. But I look at a guy

00:07:11.760 like you, and that's a small example that you're actually living by it and making some sacrifices

00:07:18.000 and being disciplined in order to achieve those things. So I got to tell you, man, I was impressed

00:07:22.440 and have been since I've been following you on this journey.

00:07:25.180 Man, I appreciate it, Ryan. Really appreciate it. And as far as the discipline goes, man, I'll tell you,

00:07:32.140 I know you've been following me on Instagram and you see my struggles,

00:07:35.300 even with my discipline, it is still food is like, I know you saw me say it, but I'll tell

00:07:42.780 your audience, I started biking across America a month ago and I gained weight. I've gained about

00:07:48.900 eight pounds and so many people are trying to tell me, oh, it's muscle. Doing cardio does not form

00:07:54.420 muscle like that. It really burns muscle. I've been on the phone with doctors. I've been on the phone

00:07:59.960 over the past few days, really trying to get to the bottom of this because it's a reoccurring theme in

00:08:04.780 my life. Like when I did my Ironman and I really kicked up my training the couple months before

00:08:09.400 the Ironman, like I gained about eight pounds then as well. I've actually come to the realization that

00:08:16.360 there has to be more relaxation built into what I'm doing because if my body feels like it's always

00:08:22.140 in war mode, even with the disciplined food, like I'm vegan, I don't eat oil, I don't eat salt.

00:08:27.940 Even with eating as clean as I eat, the exercise has put my body into a state to where it thinks

00:08:36.160 it's constantly at war so it wants to store everything. I've come to that realization. I

00:08:42.260 know it's not probably a popular thought process and everybody's body is different, but I have

00:08:48.920 learned that with me. The more I work out, actually the less weight I lose.

00:08:54.580 Do you think, are you tired? I mean, if the body's storing what limited food it sounds like you're

00:09:00.540 having and I can't even imagine the type of calories you're burning on a daily basis,

00:09:05.600 are you exhausted? Like what does that level look like?

00:09:09.040 You know, my body has some crazy endurance. I don't know how I do what I do because I always said

00:09:17.200 like my dream was to become an athlete. But then when I became an athlete, I was doing Ironmans and

00:09:23.700 doing what I'm doing now, you know, biking eight hours a day. Then I realized I made the wrong dream

00:09:29.460 because I'm an athlete, but I'm a fat athlete. I still am about 30.

00:09:36.620 I mean, let's be honest. You're not the quintessential version that everybody thinks of

00:09:41.080 when they think quote unquote athlete, right?

00:09:43.600 Exactly. Now I've lost 125 pounds, but I did not know that I would still be able to carry about 30,

00:09:51.540 40 pounds of weight and do all that I'm doing. But now I'm getting down to the nitty gritty

00:09:56.920 of figuring out how to get it truly off. And, uh, and yeah, so that's, that's, that's one

00:10:03.980 interesting thing I've learned that more exercise, uh, actually has the opposite effect on weight loss.

00:10:09.920 So how has that changed in your schedule? Because I talked with your assistant a couple of times

00:10:15.820 trying to get this scheduled. And I know we've been bouncing around and that's, that's on me.

00:10:18.940 That's my fault. As far as getting this pinned down, how has that realization changed the way

00:10:24.620 that you're approaching this trek across the country?

00:10:27.480 I have a new philosophy. I'm going to have more fun, less stress. I'm going to, I'm just going

00:10:35.720 to treat each day. Like I want to play. And, uh, that's how I originally started out in my whole

00:10:41.420 fitness journey. Uh, when I was over 300 pounds is that I just wanted to play. And I kind of got away

00:10:46.860 from that because like, as a man, it's like, I'm going to do more, I'm going to do more. And I always

00:10:53.480 find a way to just do more to where it got to the extreme of, I'm going to bike across America,

00:11:00.140 bike 90 miles a day and, you know, be out in 115 degree weather for nine hours and I can do it.

00:11:08.380 I can handle it, but it's just not providing the results. So I'm going to incorporate more,

00:11:15.400 uh, freedom into it, more play into it. And if it takes longer, then that's fine. You know,

00:11:21.640 we'll, we'll just, uh, we'll, we're going across the country, making people's dreams come true,

00:11:26.220 but I want my dream to come true as well. I want to lose this weight and love the way I look as a man.

00:11:33.440 Is that, so when you say it's, it wasn't achieving the results, is that the result that you're talking

00:11:39.120 about? Or is it something different than that? Oh, what do you mean, man? Well, you said initially

00:11:43.920 the way that you were approaching going across the country wasn't producing the result. So I'm

00:11:49.200 curious what results it wasn't producing. I mean, I was, I was gaining weight. Okay. Right. And it blew

00:11:55.140 my, it always blows my mind because I'm like, you know, just very like alpha about like,

00:12:02.640 I'm going to do more if I'm not losing weight. All right, let's do, let's do, you know, 10 hours

00:12:07.440 tomorrow, or let's start lifting weights and, you know, uh, bike in the nine hours and let's cut back

00:12:13.700 on more food. Like just very like attacking it headstrong. Like I can outwork it. And the more

00:12:20.900 I did that, oddly, the less results I had. Yeah. So you're talking about essentially working

00:12:27.620 smarter, not necessarily harder now. Exactly. Which I always hated that term my whole life as

00:12:34.000 a, as an entrepreneur in the music industry. And even with fitness, like I always believed in just

00:12:40.840 good old fashioned hard work. Now I'm, I'm kind of at that end where it's like, okay,

00:12:47.580 this is what they meant when they said smarter, not harder.

00:12:50.860 Yeah. I almost look at it from my perspective. Cause I lean more towards what you're talking

00:12:54.660 about hard work. And then you hear these terms like hustle and grind and which I don't, I don't

00:12:58.140 like either of those terms, but I think there's obviously some truth to that. You got to work

00:13:02.120 hard and you got to outwork other people. And certainly that will produce some results, but

00:13:06.400 the older I get, and I'm not old by any means, but the older I get, the more I realize,

00:13:10.500 Oh man, I can engage my mind just as much as I can get engaged my muscles and produce

00:13:16.320 significantly more or better results in a shorter period of time. Why, why not try to achieve

00:13:21.540 that as opposed to just grinding and hustling everything out? Cause there's other things

00:13:26.640 I want to have fun. I want to enjoy time with my family. I want to enjoy vacations and trips

00:13:30.740 and all the other wonderful things this life has to offer as well.

00:13:33.500 That's right. And I'll tell you, man, the word grind and hustle. I don't like those words

00:13:38.580 either. Like especially grind because like when I think about it and I was always a grinder,

00:13:44.960 like in the music industry, we always had this like false sense of pride, like on a Sunday,

00:13:51.740 if I were to go to the movies on a date, we would look at each other crazy. Like me and my

00:13:57.480 business partners are employees. Like we'd be like, we got to grind. Like we don't have time

00:14:02.160 to go to the movies. We don't have time to go on dates. It was just this false sense of pride.

00:14:06.940 And then when I thought about the word grind, that sounds like a lot of friction. And that sounds

00:14:12.660 like a lot of gravity and I'm tired of, of the friction. I'm tired of the gravity. I'm tired of

00:14:19.340 the, you know, that mindset. Like what if I could get to the finish line by like floating, you know,

00:14:28.160 like I'm still going somewhere. Just, I would rather be on an airplane than, you know, to be like

00:14:34.120 walking, you know, walking is like grinding against the pavement where the airplane is kind of like

00:14:39.820 floating. It just seems a little bit smarter. How do you reconcile that thought with, I'm going

00:14:45.040 to trek a thousand miles or, or, or I don't even know how long is it across the U S how many miles

00:14:49.600 for your trip? So I'm going from Santa Monica to New York and it's going to be 3,800 miles.

00:14:55.480 So then the question is, how do you reconcile? I don't want to grind. Like I want to float. I want

00:15:00.140 to be in the airplane with, I'm going to trek 3,800 miles across the U S. All right. For me,

00:15:05.980 I guess it's the mentality going into the day. Am I going to grind out, you know, in 115 degree

00:15:12.440 weather, you know, 90 miles, or am I just going to wake up and play today and go where it takes me

00:15:18.560 and I'll get to the finish line, but you know what, let me have fun, you know, doing it.

00:15:25.020 I think that would be the difference. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, it's the way that you

00:15:28.720 approach it. It sounds like versus what you're actually doing. Am I understanding you correctly?

00:15:32.860 Exactly. Yeah. That makes sense. So one of the things I'm, I'm blown away with is,

00:15:37.920 and I want to get into your story in a minute, but I look at you and I see that you are obviously

00:15:44.320 well-funded through this thing. A couple of examples, you know, I look at your dream machine,

00:15:48.220 for example, dream machine. I got that right. Didn't I? Yeah. Yeah. So you've got the dream

00:15:52.260 machine. We'll talk about that. I know that you're tied in with, with Nike. In fact, you're a Nike

00:15:57.240 endorsed athlete essentially. Yeah. And then I see that this lady, this woman who's a school teacher,

00:16:03.500 I think she was diagnosed with cancer and you guys paid off her mortgage and assisted her with

00:16:08.200 some medical bills and some other things. You're incredibly well-funded. Talk to me about where

00:16:12.740 that's coming from. Man, it's, when I retired from the music industry last October, I was fortunate

00:16:21.980 enough to be able to save up money through the years. You know, a lot of people in the music

00:16:26.400 industry, they live a very fast life. Sure. I was, I was pretty conservative with how I'd spend my

00:16:31.780 money. So when I was in a really bad place and I wanted to retire and, and just start a whole new

00:16:38.640 life, I was able to, you know, take the leap of faith. I didn't know how I would start making money.

00:16:44.280 And honestly, you know, between me, you and your audience, I haven't made any money yet,

00:16:50.640 you know, in my new endeavor of me just going and chasing my dreams. But I had faith that like

00:16:56.400 amazing things would happen. And it's happened for the, for the dream machine tour. There's this guy

00:17:04.340 that I met, his name is, uh, Amen and he owns a social media company and my friend works for him.

00:17:10.620 And he came to me and he said, Charlie, I love, I love what you stand for. I love what you do.

00:17:16.040 How can I help? And I said, man, this is my vision. Like I want to go across the country helping people.

00:17:21.860 And he said, whatever you need, I'm going to help you. And that was just a huge blessing.

00:17:28.680 So when we found the story of the teacher, I called him up. We weren't expecting to find that story.

00:17:34.300 I was actually just going to the elementary school and helping paint and fix up the school

00:17:40.140 since they didn't have any funding. I called in a contractor and we're in their painting.

00:17:44.300 But everybody at the school told me about this teacher who had been diagnosed with cancer.

00:17:49.780 She's 65 years old, but she didn't miss, but just a couple of days of school with all the chemo

00:17:56.220 treatments and radiation. Cause she always put the kids first and, uh, found out that she didn't know 1.00

00:18:02.460 how she was going to pay her medical bills or pay her mortgage. So when I called aiming up,

00:18:07.080 he said, man, I want to fix the problem completely. He said, find out what her mortgage is, you know,

00:18:13.360 to completely pay it off, find out, you know, what all her medical bills are. And that ended up being

00:18:19.040 about 90,000. And he also said, you know what, I'm going to get her a new car as well. So it wasn't,

00:18:25.820 it wasn't me, you know, but I was able to connect the dots to make somebody's life change.

00:18:30.360 That's something, you know, a lot of us can do, you know, we might not have the resources, but

00:18:35.280 you know, to make some phone calls, you know, it's realistic.

00:18:39.300 You say it wasn't you, but that's coming from you, somebody who I know to be really humble.

00:18:44.400 And I appreciate that of you, but it is you, you know, like you have this idea and this vision

00:18:49.500 and connecting the dots and putting yourself out there. And I want to say something I recognize

00:18:54.160 about you because I think there's a lot of guys who think that you have to be something

00:18:57.640 opposite of what you actually are, because that's portrayed, right? It's portrayed even

00:19:02.440 on this podcast. Let's be honest, even on this podcast, social media, the way that we are quote

00:19:08.040 unquote supposed to behave as men is one thing, but the way that you show up is different. And I think

00:19:13.260 that's a lot of the reason people are attracted to you. You know, I look at you for, for one,

00:19:18.320 you're very unassuming. And I say that with all the respect and love that I have for you,

00:19:22.640 because you're somebody who is able to pull down barriers because you don't have this big,

00:19:27.120 boastful, prideful ego about you. You're very humble. You're not this slick guy. And I think

00:19:34.400 people really resonate with that because they see that in themselves and they see all their own

00:19:39.900 insecurities. And you're somebody who's willing to share your insecurities versus a lot of these

00:19:44.980 guys that we see on social media and everywhere else who, who won't share that stuff and nobody

00:19:49.080 connects. Nobody resonates with those people. It's true, man. I realized being perfect doesn't help

00:19:56.300 anybody. I know I did. I would compare myself to who I would see on the internet, but who I see on

00:20:04.600 the internet, like I'm comparing myself to somebody's highlight reel. Like they're only putting their

00:20:12.480 highlights and I'm like, wow, like everybody seems so freaking perfect. And that's actually doing the

00:20:19.760 opposite for me when I was like, really, really in a bad place. It would do the opposite for me. Their

00:20:26.420 perfectness or perfection, I should say, um, was actually putting me in a deeper depression.

00:20:34.160 And I just wanted somebody to be real. And I was like, all right, like I'm out of the music industry.

00:20:41.060 I can free myself. I don't have to watch, you know, what I say, because like you can't manage a big

00:20:47.020 artist like two chains and be on the internet talking about how depressed you are. So when I,

00:20:51.840 when I freed myself, especially in hip hop, I mean, hip hop is a competitive sport and you can't be out

00:21:00.400 there trying to negotiate deals and, you know, be tough, you know, to get things done and be on your

00:21:06.660 Instagram, you know, talking about vulnerability and stuff like that. So when I got out of the music

00:21:12.940 industry, I said, you know what, I'm just going to be me, tell the truth because somebody out there

00:21:20.220 is going to need it. So I'm just like reaching my hand back. And when I studied, when I studied like

00:21:27.000 superhero movies, I realized one thing at the end of most all superhero movies is they come back to the

00:21:35.480 village to help everybody else. They don't just sail off into the sunset, like in a love story,

00:21:41.140 like superheroes come back and help everybody else and tell them about the journey they went on.

00:21:46.860 Like, if you think about it, even with like Lord of the Rings, they come back, you know? So that's,

00:21:52.520 that's what I'm doing right now. Like I'm out figuring out how to save the world and I'm coming

00:21:58.700 back to the village to teach everybody what I'm learning. I really liked your, I think it was your

00:22:03.940 last video that you did and you talk about imperfection and you illustrate it because you take your shirt off

00:22:08.920 there on the beach or wherever it was and you're running and you've got this beautiful girl and she's,

00:22:13.280 she's taking pictures, mocking you. And then you've got this guy who looks like David Goggins who runs up

00:22:18.260 behind you and like bumps into your shoulder and like you're in the way, man. That was such a powerful

00:22:23.200 video because I think it illustrates perfectly what a lot of people, including myself, are experiencing

00:22:28.780 in their own life.

00:22:29.440 Yeah, man. That video wasn't easy for me to make because like I still to this day, man,

00:22:36.680 I don't go to the beach and take my shirt off. My friends say, oh man, you look good. And I'm like,

00:22:42.280 I'm nowhere near where I want to be. But I was like, you know what? I felt free after I put that video

00:22:47.560 out and I got a, I got a lot of response from it. People really appreciated my courage for doing that

00:22:54.720 video. But yeah, it took 20 seconds to film the entire video. And sometimes, you know, it's the

00:23:01.820 simplest things that resonate with people.

00:23:04.320 Absolutely. Well, speaking of videos, you had showed me when we were out there in St. Louis,

00:23:08.900 your, I don't know if it was your first video, but this was really kind of your breakout video

00:23:13.440 where you talked about wanting to be an athlete and how long you've wanted to be an athlete. And the

00:23:18.500 part that obviously was, was so powerful was at the end you put, you know, insert Nike logo here,

00:23:24.060 right? Or something like that. That was so powerful. Talk to me and I'm going to link up

00:23:29.200 all these videos so the guys can watch this stuff. And of course we'll, we'll get in touch with you,

00:23:32.480 but tell me why you set out to create that video and then get the attention of Nike.

00:23:38.300 Yeah, for sure. So as a kid, man, I love Nike. When I was eight years old, me, my dad and my

00:23:46.860 grandfather, we had a, we had a bet who could pick the best stock. And I was like, I want to buy Nike.

00:23:54.060 Nike is the coolest company. That's where Michael Jordan is. He had the baggy pants. He had the fresh

00:24:00.240 shoes. I remember my dad, he picked Reebok and my grandfather picked like Sarah Lee or something

00:24:07.020 like some, like, you know, steady company. And, uh, ever since I was a kid, man, like Nike was,

00:24:14.380 was the best shoes in the world to me. They were fresh. So as I got older, I really appreciated Nike

00:24:21.340 because it was to me, it was a motivation company and it was like an inspiration company. And I felt

00:24:26.600 like that's what the world needed. And I couldn't think of another company in the world that provided

00:24:31.240 inspiration to the, to somebody else. So when I said, I want to become an athlete, I was like, man,

00:24:39.400 it would be a dream to be a Nike athlete. So I linked up with this guy who's amazing videographer.

00:24:45.500 We made this video, just me and him. And we did this little gag, this little camera gag where he

00:24:51.360 was always the same distance from me. We shot like maybe 50 different scenes and every scene,

00:24:58.400 the camera was the same exact distance from me because we had this pole, this PVC pipe pole that

00:25:04.180 was connected to me as I was running. And it was connected to him and he was on a skateboard.

00:25:09.180 So even when we made the song, we used my breathing. So like my breathing was a cadence,

00:25:16.640 like it was like the beat.

00:25:18.120 So did you have that, that beat? Did you have that made then custom for the video itself?

00:25:23.100 Yeah. So we make, we make all of our music ourselves. We make, we do all of our videos

00:25:28.480 ourselves, color grading. So like when Nike saw it, they were like, well, first I put it out

00:25:35.640 because I don't know anybody at Nike. So when I put it out at the end, I said, insert Nike logo here.

00:25:42.000 And I said, you know, I just hope this inspires somebody. And I hope that Nike sees this. Next

00:25:48.160 thing I know, two, three days later, Nike calls me and they said, we don't know who you are,

00:25:55.660 but you have our campus in a frenzy. Apparently hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people were

00:26:03.240 sending this to their friends who work at Nike. And they said, we want to bring you up to Beaverton,

00:26:09.080 Oregon, uh, to our headquarters. And, uh, we got a surprise for you. When I got to Beaverton,

00:26:15.000 they flew me up. They had a car for me and everything. And, and I walk into this conference

00:26:20.280 room and they had a presentation on the big, on the big, um, huge flat screen TV. Everybody's

00:26:29.680 sitting in there. They had a presentation for me about me, about how I inspired them on why they go

00:26:39.200 to work every day. And that they said, sometimes we forget why we come to work at Nike, but you just

00:26:45.220 reminded us of what it's like to have a human potential. And that if you have a body, then you're

00:26:52.540 an athlete. Now we're doing all sorts of crazy things together, uh, me and Nike. And we got some big

00:26:58.420 news that we're going to announce soon. So it's really just all a dream come true, but it, it

00:27:03.440 happened by just telling the truth and wanting to help people and, and being honest, making content

00:27:10.680 that wasn't perfect because I figured like Nike didn't need another perfect athlete. If I was dunking,

00:27:18.420 you know, and I was like sweating and ripped and I could jump really high. They've got those guys

00:27:24.760 already. Sure. I felt they just needed, uh, somebody who, who was like the rest of us,

00:27:30.840 man. I agree. I think that's why your message is so powerful and resonating with so many people.

00:27:35.120 Can you give us a hint on this podcast as to the big news with Nike? Yeah. So, um, there's a lot of

00:27:41.560 things that we're going to do. Maybe somebody listening on the podcast could solve this puzzle.

00:27:47.120 So my heaviest weight was 305 and to qualify for something is also 305. So I'll just, I'll just say

00:27:57.900 that. And, and maybe, maybe somebody out there understands what I'm talking about, but we're

00:28:02.980 going to do a big campaign built around from 305 to 305. And I'm just going to leave it at that.

00:28:08.920 Okay. All right. There you go. There's the challenge guys, figure out what he's talking about

00:28:12.480 there. All right. Let's, let's, let's, let's move on. Cause one of the things that I was really

00:28:16.140 inspired by, you were, as we met in St. Louis, you were prepping for the Ironman, correct? In,

00:28:25.060 uh, was it New Zealand? It was New Zealand. So talk to me about that. I mean, had you ever done

00:28:31.700 any sort of long distance running, biking, swimming, anything like that? Like, why did you feel like

00:28:36.960 you were prepared to do this? So I had run before I'd ran three marathons, uh, prior and

00:28:46.100 through that process, I had gained, like we talked about earlier, I had gained about 30,

00:28:51.480 almost 40 pounds through my marathon running process, which, uh, really confused me.

00:28:57.900 Yeah. But so I'd run before I'd never really biked and I definitely never swam. I went into training

00:29:05.300 with the mindset of, you know what? I'm going to train like an eight year old.

00:29:09.100 I saw all these training programs and they said, you know, run at this distance at this heart rate

00:29:15.920 and do this lap and do this time trial and do this. And I was like, this is stupid. Like all this 1.00

00:29:22.460 data, all this, all these rules to training that I just needed to break it down into something simple.

00:29:28.500 And I said, how many hours a week is an Ironman training? And I saw it was anywhere between like

00:29:36.460 10 and 14. And I was like, wow, okay. That's a couple of hours a day. When I was a kid going to

00:29:44.060 the park and running around the park for a couple of hours on the weekend, wasn't hard or riding my

00:29:50.280 bike around the neighborhood for a couple of hours, wasn't hard or swimming at the pool for a couple

00:29:56.300 hours was never hard. So I'm just going to train like an eight year old and I'm going to wake up

00:30:02.760 and I'm going to play a little bit every day. And eventually I was able to, you know, do the Ironman

00:30:09.040 10 months later. And I just kept it simple. That's it. I just kept it simple and I had fun and I played

00:30:16.980 and that was pretty much it. And I was able to complete the Ironman. Now, granted, I was in last place,

00:30:24.200 but I finished with, uh, 17 minutes before the disqualification. Oh my gosh. It was that close.

00:30:32.380 Yeah. It was that close. It took me, uh, 17 hours and 40 minutes to finish.

00:30:38.940 Who did you run with? Uh, that's my best friend, Scott, man. He's, uh, that's my big brother,

00:30:45.080 my best friend. He's always had my back in my journey for weight loss and fitness. And he was the

00:30:50.600 one who challenged me to my, my first marathon. And then I challenged him to the Ironman and he's

00:30:56.240 48 and, uh, he's, he's pulling it all off. Amazing. He's also biking across America with me.

00:31:03.300 So, right. Well, that's what it's amazing, man. I just see you too. And again, this is a testament to

00:31:08.440 you. I see you too doing this stuff and I'm like, well, Charlie's crazy. Like we are, we've already

00:31:13.500 identified that. Like Charlie's crazy. He wants to do crazy stuff. He wants to dream big and he wants

00:31:17.660 to pursue this stuff and he wants to inspire other people. But it's pretty cool when you can get

00:31:23.140 somebody else to come along on these journeys with you. Like that's a, that's a testament to you,

00:31:28.840 I think. Yeah, man. And him too. I mean, I see you guys, I see you guys playing around. I see you

00:31:33.960 guys supporting each other. I see you uplifting each other. I recognize the power of that brotherhood.

00:31:38.100 That's pretty cool, man. Yeah, man. It's, it's, you know, I said on my Instagram this morning,

00:31:43.880 I was like, man, he's always had my back. So it's, it's easy for me to accomplish some of these

00:31:49.340 things because, you know, I can't let him down, you know, like sometimes we'll let ourselves down

00:31:55.980 in life, but when there's somebody else there, you're going to show up because you can't let

00:32:02.720 your brother down, you know? So it makes it easier when you got that brotherhood.

00:32:07.100 I've said it before and Charlie is reiterating it again for us today. But if you want something

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00:32:19.000 Our brotherhood, the iron council might just be that something different that you need

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00:33:10.760 man.com slash iron council. You can do that after the show, but for now, let's return back to the

00:33:15.880 conversation with my friend, Charlie. Why did you decide to embark upon all this? You've shared some

00:33:21.880 of this story with me and from your health challenges and the things that you've dealt with

00:33:26.760 to now completely turning your life around, but you did using it as a catalyst for growth and other

00:33:31.260 people's lives as well. Tell me a little bit about your own backstory as to why this work is now so

00:33:38.140 important for you. Man, it all comes down. And I said this at the end of the Nike commercial,

00:33:44.300 I said, my story isn't over yet, comma. And I always put a comma after everything in any of my videos.

00:33:54.380 I never use a period because comma means it keeps going. And when I got diagnosed with my brain tumor

00:34:02.140 and I was over 300 pounds and I was stuck in my business, it was, it was, it was just all so bad.

00:34:10.320 And I felt like my story was over. I looked at myself and I said, wow, that was it. You know,

00:34:16.640 and I'm, I'm a young man. You know, I just turned 30. I've been fortunate enough to do a lot in my life,

00:34:22.060 you know, entrepreneurial wise. But when I was looking at death, I said, that was it. That was

00:34:29.240 what I'll be remembered for is, you know, managing recording artists. And I said to myself that this

00:34:36.660 can't be my story. Even though the odds are stacked against me, I'm going to turn this around and I'm

00:34:44.140 going to live the most incredible life of all time. And I walked away from my business,

00:34:51.520 $15 million a year business. I walked away, which was not easy. And when I walked away,

00:34:57.260 I didn't ask for a penny. I didn't ask for a buyout for my business partners. I said,

00:35:03.320 you know what, if y'all want to give me anything, y'all can, but I'm going to embark on a whole new

00:35:08.620 journey. And I remember the conversation I had with them. I invited them to the steps of the

00:35:15.740 very first office that we had up in Atlanta. And we would sit out on the steps and I invited them

00:35:22.640 there. And I wanted to tell them at the same place I met them that I was going to embark on a new

00:35:28.780 journey. And they asked me, they said, well, what are you planning on doing? And I said, I want to be

00:35:35.220 an athlete. That's, that's my childhood dream. I said, I'm training for an Ironman and I'm going

00:35:41.620 to do amazing journeys. And I want to live the most amazing life. And I want to help people. And

00:35:47.880 I'm, I don't plan on selling anything. I just plan on doing amazing things and the money will figure

00:35:54.500 itself out. I think they thought I was a little crazy. I probably am a little crazy, but a lot,

00:36:00.860 but it's, it's a good crazy. So far it's working out. Yeah. So with your diagnosis,

00:36:07.820 your brain cancer, was that an advanced or an aggressive form? I mean, were you terminal at

00:36:13.880 one point? Like what, what was the deal there? I can't remember exactly, but it was pretty inspiring

00:36:17.640 what you did for yourself. Man, I'll tell you, man, I got so lucky that it wasn't cancer. It was

00:36:23.340 benign, but it was wrapped around my left optic nerve. It was wrapped around the artery that goes into

00:36:28.720 the brain and started corroding the top of my spinal cord. And it was, I mean, they couldn't

00:36:36.880 operate on it and they have this medication that works for a lot of people. And for me,

00:36:43.760 my body formed an immunity to the medication. So they started increasing the dosage so much

00:36:50.620 that it started affecting my heart valves and my heart valves started making a noise. So I truly felt

00:36:57.040 screwed. And that's when I kind of took things into my own hands and I wanted to get down to the root 0.82

00:37:03.560 of what is a brain tumor. It comes from some sort of imbalance. I looked back, how's in my gut,

00:37:15.080 everything told me that this imbalance is coming from how I've eaten my entire life.

00:37:21.140 And I've always, I've always been on diets and I would even go years without eating fruit or

00:37:30.400 vegetables because most of the diets I would do were like a ketogenic diet. And I'm talking about

00:37:37.620 from a very young age, I probably started dieting around age 10. And I remember one of my first ones

00:37:44.380 was Atkins, you know, I would either starve myself or I would only eat meat or I would eat all this

00:37:50.700 processed stuff. Or then I would, then I would get into binge eating and it would just be just nothing

00:37:56.780 alive. I wouldn't eat anything alive. So I asked myself, I got to back up. What do you mean by alive?

00:38:03.620 Are you talking about animals? Are you talking about plants? Like, what do you mean by that?

00:38:06.700 I mean plants. Okay. Or simply like, this is how I look at it is what I'm eating dead or alive.

00:38:14.460 Oil, dead, salt, dead, banana, alive. If you are what you eat is what I'm eating dead or alive. So I

00:38:25.300 got rid of a lot of things that were dead in my diet and I started eating living food and I noticed

00:38:33.480 that it changed my frequency completely. Like things in my body started healing. My asthma went

00:38:39.940 away. My acne went away. I never knew why as a 28, 29 year old male, I would have acne. I thought I was

00:38:47.480 going to outgrow it when I was 17, 18. It just never went away. Even things like the sinuses, the

00:38:54.580 cyanitis, it all just started healing. And I noticed things like when I would do the Ironman,

00:39:01.360 I didn't get sore the day after, even though I exercised for 17 hours, the next day I woke up

00:39:08.580 and was not sore. It was interesting because a lot of people who eat the way I eat, they're not

00:39:14.260 experiencing the inflammation in the body. And when I think about inflammation, I think about like,

00:39:20.440 okay, our bodies are designed to heal themselves. Like if I got a cut on my hand right now and I would

00:39:29.160 rub dirt on it, that dirt would inflame and it wouldn't heal properly. But if I took something

00:39:36.340 clean like water and put on it, it would heal itself. And that's what my body started doing

00:39:42.060 when I started putting something clean in instead of something dirty. It started just fixing itself.

00:39:49.700 That's interesting. From just a 30,000 foot view, that makes sense. I mean, it's really,

00:39:53.400 really an interesting perspective. It seems like it's, it's working for you.

00:39:57.060 It is. It definitely is.

00:39:59.280 I want to ask a question. I'm trying to be a little bit sensitive about this because I recognize in you

00:40:04.140 the hard work and the sacrifice and commitment and discipline that you've, you've had to embark

00:40:08.360 upon in order to fulfill some of these dreams of yours. But I know that there's probably people who

00:40:13.300 are thinking, okay, well, you know, Charlie's 30 years old. He doesn't have a family or kids or this

00:40:18.880 work obligation and all these other things that a lot of people have. And I know that they're

00:40:24.740 thinking to themselves, well, that's easy for you to do because you're free to do that stuff.

00:40:29.120 But I can't pursue my stuff because I've got a mortgage and three kids and fill in the blank.

00:40:36.220 And that's what they're telling themselves. I'd love for you to speak on that.

00:40:39.720 I mean, there's truth to it. There's absolute truth to, you know, people having their lives.

00:40:46.240 And I've been fortunate enough to be able to design the life that I want. But I also feel

00:40:53.440 that everybody can design to a certain degree what they want. For example, like my best friend,

00:41:01.720 Scott, he's 48 years old. He has a wife and two kids. And he's out here doing this with me. He sold

00:41:09.360 his business to come chase his dream with me. And, you know, we're taking a leap of faith.

00:41:14.900 Both of us are taking a leap of faith because we don't exactly know how we're going to make money

00:41:21.280 yet. But I have a feeling that when this bike tour is done, that there's going to be speaking

00:41:27.980 engagements. There might, you know, I'm writing a book. So he's 48 with two kids and he's going to

00:41:36.100 figure it out. You know, we're both going to figure it out together. There's not one way to

00:41:40.460 create. Just like driving home. There's many ways to drive home. So maybe that could inspire

00:41:47.480 somebody because I might be unrealistic. But here's another guy that is maybe just like that

00:41:54.420 person. And he's doing it. So people don't really believe something until they see somebody do it.

00:42:00.620 Especially somebody who is like them, looks like them and have similar situations.

00:42:06.980 Sure.

00:42:07.540 And it's kind of like I like running. So I use the example of the guy, the first guy who broke the

00:42:14.560 four minute mile in the world. Nobody thought it was possible. Many people had tried. Nobody had ever

00:42:20.840 done it. And they felt it was literally impossible until one day, I believe his name was Roger Bannister.

00:42:27.600 Right. He broke the four minute mile. And once other people saw that he could do it,

00:42:34.320 all of a sudden, like the next year, like four people did it. And now maybe close to a thousand

00:42:40.420 people have done it. And believe it or not, the guy at Nike who is who's who's working on my project,

00:42:48.200 he he's one of the 800 people who have broken the four minute mile. So but yeah, sometimes you just

00:42:55.740 have to see somebody do it. And I think that's what's beautiful about our journey. There's there's a

00:43:00.500 young person who's broken away from society, you know, and not going down this the road that, you know,

00:43:07.380 society tells us. And then you got my big brother, Scott, who's breaking away from society's rules as

00:43:13.360 well. And he's got the wife and kids.

00:43:16.260 Yeah, that's it. You know, it's really interesting as you bring up this situation with Roger Bannister is

00:43:20.760 is everybody was not, not everybody, but the few that broke that the next year or whatever it may

00:43:25.740 have been was physically capable of completing that task. And yet it was their mindset that got

00:43:32.680 in the way. There's nothing that really changed. I mean, maybe they kept training, but let's be

00:43:37.020 honest. There's nothing significant that really changed other than they shattered their preconceived

00:43:42.740 notions in their mind or somebody else did in this case.

00:43:45.620 That's right, man. Exactly.

00:43:48.640 What is this like when things get scary or you get afraid? I imagine you're what, 10, 12, 14 hours out

00:43:59.360 in this thing and you're riding all day and you're doing your miles, your 90 miles. I'm sure there's

00:44:04.700 moments where you're like, what the hell am I actually doing out here? And what are you telling

00:44:10.220 yourself and how do you break out of maybe the negative feelings or conversations in your head

00:44:16.720 that you've, I'm sure got to be having? Oh my goodness. I'm having those negative conversations

00:44:22.840 in my head way more than I thought I was going to. I completely underestimated the mental strain

00:44:30.700 that this trip would have on me, but I'm glad it happened because it's forcing me to go back

00:44:38.120 to the thought process. Am I having fun? If not, change something. It's time to have fun. I was

00:44:49.820 thinking about this this morning. So many people do like yoga or any trendy thing, you know, Pilates or

00:44:58.740 whatever to relax. I like going back to just like the simple things. What's the time in my life

00:45:04.500 when I had no stress? I was a kid eating cereal, playing in the backyard, riding my bike around

00:45:13.280 the neighborhood. There was no stress back then. We weren't doing yoga. We weren't doing all this

00:45:18.040 other, you know, trendy stuff. We were simply playing. And I'm like, you know what? There's

00:45:23.400 something amazing happens when you just go in the backyard and throw a football. That's like man yoga

00:45:28.720 right there. Like literally, I bet you if you studied the brain, it would be the it's probably

00:45:34.360 more powerful, you know, for relaxation or, you know, it's a form of meditation in itself.

00:45:41.360 Just throwing the football or shooting some hoops. So when I get stressed out and I feel like I'm

00:45:47.020 working too hard or this feels like a job, I'm like, how could we make this fun? Because there is

00:45:52.200 two ways of doing something. There's the I got a grind way and then there's the I'm going to have fun

00:45:57.760 and still do it way. I see some people, they just float through life and they're never stressed out

00:46:03.160 and they get more done than I get done. And I'm over here slaving away. And I'm glad it's been tough.

00:46:10.500 I'm glad there's been those hard moments because it's reminded me just play, play more.

00:46:17.460 And I imagine there's validity to both, right? I mean, play is good and it can lighten you up and

00:46:22.460 free your mind a little bit. And then there's also times where, you know what? You committed to doing

00:46:26.220 something and maybe you don't feel like doing it. Maybe it's hard physically, mentally, emotionally,

00:46:30.520 but you do it because you're a man of your word and you said you would. So I imagine it's a bit

00:46:34.780 of both. And the trick probably is to find the balance. When do I bear down? And when do I

00:46:40.500 lighten up and enjoy the process a little bit more? That's right. That's right.

00:46:45.580 So we've talked about mindset. How about your body physically? How is your body holding up?

00:46:50.020 Where are you feeling it? Where are you feeling good? How is it looking right now?

00:46:52.540 Well, man, I'll tell you, I'm impressed. I did not know that I could do what I'm doing.

00:46:59.740 I'll be honest. It's a little bit different. I know I'm a little bit younger than my big

00:47:04.860 brother, Scott. But for me, it's been easy. It's been the mental strain that's been tough

00:47:11.400 and the stress. But physically, this is a scenario that happened the other day. I don't know what

00:47:18.200 was going on. But in the first five miles, I got glassy eyed. And I had to tell Scott,

00:47:25.240 I'm like, Scott, I've got to lay down for a second. I don't know what's wrong. We're out in

00:47:29.120 the middle of nowhere, New Mexico. And the two days before were straight uphill. They weren't

00:47:36.020 mountains, but it was straight uphill for two days straight. So on the third day, which is when your

00:47:43.380 body is really, really, really exhausted. First five miles, I just had to lay down on the side

00:47:49.040 of the road, eat a little food. I took like a 15 minute power nap under like a little tree. And

00:47:56.900 and and our walkie talkies weren't working. And we had no cell phone reception. So we couldn't call the

00:48:03.040 bus. Of course, that's when it happens, right? Everything's got to go wrong at once.

00:48:06.420 Exactly. So it was it was like, I have no choice, but to give this another try. So I got up,

00:48:15.120 I got on the bike, and I had no idea what we were getting into. I didn't know what the next six hours

00:48:20.860 would look like. It was a mountain range. It was six hours straight up. We're talking about

00:48:28.740 eight to 10 degree grade. Absolutely madness. We can only go about five miles an hour because it's

00:48:38.200 so steep. So I found some inner strength that I didn't know I had from me going glassy eyed to

00:48:46.180 hauling ass of this mountain for the next five, six hours. And it was one of the best moments of my life

00:48:53.140 because when we got to that summit, like me and Scott, we're just cheering at the top of our lungs

00:48:58.440 because every time you snake around, you know, one of these curvy roads, like you feel like you're

00:49:04.580 near the top because you can't see anything. So it's like, I know when I snake around, you know,

00:49:09.780 this, we're going to be at the top. And then, you know, fast forward, you know, five hours later of

00:49:15.180 still thinking that. Right. Two dozen curves that you've passed that aren't the top, right? Two dozen,

00:49:20.740 50 dozen. Absolutely insane. And it was one of the best moments of my life when I got to the top

00:49:29.660 because I learned what I was truly made of. If I could beat that from going glassy eyed passed out

00:49:36.560 on the side of the road to conquering a mountain, then I was like, man, nothing in life can ever stop

00:49:43.780 me. And the reward was going down that other side of the mountain, 40 miles an hour on the bike.

00:49:49.320 It took six hours to get up. It took 45 minutes to go down the other side.

00:49:55.380 It's so nice, but at the same time, it's so frustrating, man. Everybody who's listening to

00:50:00.420 this has experienced how easy it is to go down the wrong track and difficult it is to go up the

00:50:06.460 right one. That's right. Well, awesome, man. What's on the docket for you? What's next? Obviously,

00:50:11.520 you've got about what? 1,800 more miles, excuse me, 2,800 more miles. Don't want to short you a thousand

00:50:15.940 miles. 2,800 more miles to go on this thing. But what's next? What do you see this going from here?

00:50:22.380 Well, I really want to reach more people. That's why I like doing podcasts like this. And Andy's

00:50:28.960 podcast was amazing because I know it can have an effect if somebody's going through something.

00:50:35.860 So I want to reach more people. I want to continue doing amazing journeys. I have a really cool concept

00:50:42.720 that I'm pitching to Nike that will be in a really amazing journey, kind of like this bike across

00:50:47.740 America, but kind of similar but different because everything I do, like even with Nike,

00:50:54.100 it has to be about helping people. It can't be about me running fast. It has to be about me doing

00:51:01.120 something athletic, me kind of being a guinea pig, but at the same time, helping somebody else and

00:51:08.520 making it about others. So that's what's next. I'm almost done writing my book. So that should be

00:51:14.840 coming out at the end of this year or top of next year. And that's pretty much it right now.

00:51:21.300 Right on, man. We're going to stay in touch, obviously, you and I, and I'll continue to

00:51:25.200 share what you're doing. You have my support. I hope you know that, man. That's why you're on the

00:51:28.460 show. I want to be able to support and lift up what you're doing because I think it lifts other people

00:51:32.060 up. And certainly we want to be able to follow you. So as we come to an end today,

00:51:36.900 let me ask you a couple additional questions. The one I prepped you for about an hour ago,

00:51:41.220 which isn't a lot of time, but I think you can, I think you can do it is what does it mean to be a

00:51:45.860 man? Oh man, I'm sure everybody takes a deep breath before they have to answer this one.

00:51:54.540 I'll say, I'll say for me to be a man. When I think of the word man, for me, I think of legacy.

00:52:03.860 I believe that could be man or a woman. But for me as a man, I want to leave something

00:52:11.100 on this earth. I think about Marcus Aurelius, for example. To create something or to teach

00:52:19.860 and it not die when you die is very, very fascinating to me. I think that's what man or

00:52:27.620 woman should do. But for me, when I think about being a man, I want to create, I want to help in a 1.00

00:52:33.460 way that lives way beyond me. I want to leave a legacy. And I think about like Jesus Christ,

00:52:39.740 for example, like he did three years worth of work and it's now on, you know, 2000 something

00:52:45.560 years later, it's still living on. A legacy is still living on, still helping people.

00:52:51.640 That's what fascinates me and what I feel like for me as a man, I want to do.

00:52:56.920 Because man, man provides a lot, you know, I mean, politically correct women do too, but men provide 1.00

00:53:05.860 and the best thing to provide to the world or to somebody else is to teach them and to help other

00:53:14.520 people grow as well. And that's what I want to do. That's what I feel it takes to be a man is to

00:53:22.060 operate out of legacy and to operate out of providing and to be able to provide the most

00:53:29.240 valuable resource. And that's, that's our knowledge from what we experience in life to teach other

00:53:34.960 people our way of life. I love that, man. That's really powerful. And obviously it's good to hear

00:53:41.120 because this is something you're actually doing. You know, it's easy to talk about what it means to

00:53:44.920 be a man. It's easy to talk about the things we quote unquote should be doing. But then when you marry

00:53:49.180 that up with somebody who's actually doing it and we did a podcast on this, I don't know, a couple of

00:53:54.080 weeks ago or so about what I have dubbed the integrity gap, which is the things we know we

00:53:58.500 should be doing versus the things that we're actually doing. And so to watch you bridge that

00:54:04.400 gap by completing this, this track and doing all the wonderful things you're doing and helping and

00:54:10.080 providing a legacy and giving back and all the wonderful things you're doing. It's, it's pretty

00:54:13.620 inspiring to see, man. How do we connect with you? How do we follow your journey? Learn a little bit

00:54:18.040 more about what you're up to. For sure. I would say, uh, the best way is Instagram. I love Instagram

00:54:24.660 at Charlie on Instagram and, uh, also YouTube, uh, Charlie Jabley, or you could just Google me.

00:54:31.480 It'll pop up, but yeah, everything, everything is pretty much connected, uh, through those two

00:54:36.640 platforms. Um, you'll be able to find the website or whatever, but, uh, my first name is Charlie.

00:54:41.360 My last name is Jabley. That's J A B A L E Y. If you want to Google me and if you want me on

00:54:47.720 Instagram, it's just at Charlie. Right on. We'll make sure that everybody knows where to go,

00:54:53.320 knows how to sync with you guys. Go follow Charlie. I'm telling you, you're going to be

00:54:56.160 inspired. Hopefully it's going to get you to do some incredible things in your life,

00:55:00.200 whatever that looks like for you. So Charlie, I appreciate you, man. I have since we met, uh,

00:55:04.140 roughly, I don't know, six months or so ago, love following your journey. Love having

00:55:08.220 conversations like this. I've been wanting to do this and it's easy to see why this was a very,

00:55:13.460 very powerful conversation. So thanks for taking some of your time. I know you're a busy man,

00:55:17.120 obviously with what you're doing. And it means a lot that you'd come on the show today,

00:55:20.340 man. Thank you so much, Ryan. It's a pleasure.

00:55:24.140 Gentlemen, there it is my conversation with Charlie Jabley. I told you that you would be inspired.

00:55:28.200 I told you that his energy is infectious. And I think that you're probably walking away

00:55:33.060 understanding exactly what I meant. The guy's inspiring. It's really inspiring to see what he's

00:55:38.200 done. Some of the videos telling and sharing his story are amazing. I'll make sure I link those

00:55:43.200 up in the show notes so that you guys can watch those videos. I remember watching the very first

00:55:47.360 video that he did that we talked about in the interview, uh, when he was pitching that to

00:55:51.860 Nike and blown away, completely blown away with who he is and his story. So guys hit me up on Twitter,

00:55:58.240 Instagram, Facebook, wherever you are. Charlie shared with us how to get ahold of him. So make sure

00:56:02.700 you hit him up as well. Send a message, let him know that you heard him on this show

00:56:06.300 and the wonderful things that you're going to be doing in your life to change and to improve and

00:56:11.060 to grow and the positivity that, uh, hopefully you gained from him. Again, head to orderofman.com.

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00:56:29.380 show. And you know, as well as I do, that we need more men to be in this fight of restoring

00:56:35.320 masculinity and, and manliness in society. So check it out. Also guys, I gave you the resource

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00:56:55.800 take action and become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man

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Order of Man - May 29, 2018

Dreaming Big and Writing Your Own Story ｜ Charlie Jabaley

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