Dreaming Big and Writing Your Own Story ｜ Charlie Jabaley
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Charlie Jabbily is someone who walked away from a multi-million dollar business to rewrite his life, lose a massive amount of weight, become an endorsed Nike Athlete, and bike across the USA. We talk about what inspired him to make a life-altering change, and how he is using positivity to change the world.
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All of us have a story. We all have a past. Our prior circumstances define who we are today,
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but do not have to define who we will become moving forward. Too bad most of us never learned
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to rewrite the script. Today, I am joined by a friend and a man who is impacting and influencing
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millions. His name is Charlie Jabbily, and he's someone who walked away from a multi-million
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dollar business to rewrite his life, lose a massive amount of weight, become an endorsed
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Nike athlete and bike across the USA. We talk about what inspired him to make a life-altering
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change and how he is using positivity to change the world. You're a man of action. You live life
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to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down,
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you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged,
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resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and founder of
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this podcast, The Order of Man. I have got a great show lined up for you today. It's been a long time
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in the works. Charlie and I have played a little bit of a tag back and forth on connecting, but we
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finally made it work, and I'm so excited to bring this conversation to you. We'll get to that in a
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minute. Now, guys, if you're new and you're joining us for the first time today, I want to welcome you to
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the show. This is a podcast, and frankly, it's a movement. It's a movement to restore what it means
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to be a man in a society that seems to have forgotten what that actually means. So we're
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working with the world's most successful men, interesting men, successful entrepreneurs,
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athletes, scholars, warriors, New York Times bestselling authors, you name it. If they've got
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an interesting story to share, they're doing big things in their life. My job is to interview them,
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extract their knowledge, extract their systems and their wisdom, and then deliver that straight to
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you in the form of this podcast. Now, I don't have a whole lot of announcements for you today
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like I normally do. I do want to make sure that I mention my friends over at Origin Maine. This is an
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be visiting them in Maine, check out their factory, and then participate in their immersion camp.
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but I also take their nutritional supplemental line partnered with Jocko Willink. I know a lot
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go check them out guys doing great things, great story, and great people and friends over at
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originmain.com slash order of man. Now with that said, let me just jump right into this. I met
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Charlie Jabbily several months ago. He and I were podcasting in St. Louis with Andy Frisilla on the
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MFCEO podcast. I know a lot of you guys listen to that show and have heard both Charlie and I on that
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show and he and I immediately hit it off. And I was extremely, extremely inspired by him, his story
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and the positive changes that he's making in his life. So much so that it's impacted me to make some
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positive changes in mind. This man is a Nike endorsed athlete. Although I will say he doesn't
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look or talk like your typical athlete, but I think that's a good thing. That's a testament to
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who he is, his infectious energy and how powerful his past, present and future are. Right now he's in
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the middle of biking across the USA. We actually had to do this on his day off so that we can make
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this interview work. And he's sharing his story and helping others live the life that they're meant
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to live. So guys, sit back, take some notes, enjoy this conversation, soak it all up, and hopefully
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you'll walk away a more inspired and positive person like my friend Charlie is. Charlie, what's
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going on, brother? Thanks for joining me on the show today. What's up, Brian? Hey, tell me where
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you're joining me from. I know you're traveling across the U.S. right now, but we didn't even talk
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about that. Where are you at right now? I am in a small town in Texas called Alpine, Texas. It's quite
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beautiful. We've been here a couple of days just resting up as we're biking across America.
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Is that where you saw that? You saw like a Prada store on the trip too, like in the middle of
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nowhere, right? Yeah, that wasn't too far from here. That was in Marfa, Texas. That was about
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two towns over. And it was insane. Just a little in the middle of nowhere, desert, just a Prada store.
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Absolutely just mind-blowing that something like that can exist out here. That's strange. So what's the
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deal? Did you ever figure it out why that's out there? That seems so strange to me.
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Yeah, I got thousands of messages from my Instagram followers. They were saying that it was an art
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installation. And apparently, Marfa, Texas is a pretty interesting place. People were telling me
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about how Jay-Z was wearing ballroom Marfa hats. A lot of celebrities have done weird things in this
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little town in the middle of nowhere, Texas. Why? What is it about Martha? Is that what you said?
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Martha, Texas? What is it about there? It's actually Marfa. M-A-R-F-A. To be honest with you,
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I have no idea why this place became what it is. It's just like a two-lane highway. They have a little
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ballroom where they do big events. And they have this Prada store, which is just really weird.
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That is weird. Maybe it's the strangest thing you've seen so far, but I bet you've seen some
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pretty strange things and some also incredible things on your journey. How many miles are you
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into this thing? I'm just over a thousand miles in.
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Okay. Yeah. And for those who don't know, I know your story because I'm following you. You and I
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are friends. We met out in St. Louis. Both of us were interviewing with our good friend, Andy
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Frisilla with the MFCEO podcast. That's how you and I got connected. And we went to lunch with Vaughn.
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And man, I was blown away with your story, but you know what? I got to tell you even more so than
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your story. I remember sitting there at lunch and we were ordering some food and we got some
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appetizers. You were so disciplined with your food that you're like, okay, tell me about this.
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How is this made? All right, here's what I need to order. And I was actually really impressed
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because I think it's really easy for people to talk about what they want to do. But I look at a guy
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like you, and that's a small example that you're actually living by it and making some sacrifices
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and being disciplined in order to achieve those things. So I got to tell you, man, I was impressed
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and have been since I've been following you on this journey.
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Man, I appreciate it, Ryan. Really appreciate it. And as far as the discipline goes, man, I'll tell you,
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I know you've been following me on Instagram and you see my struggles,
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even with my discipline, it is still food is like, I know you saw me say it, but I'll tell
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your audience, I started biking across America a month ago and I gained weight. I've gained about
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eight pounds and so many people are trying to tell me, oh, it's muscle. Doing cardio does not form
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muscle like that. It really burns muscle. I've been on the phone with doctors. I've been on the phone
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over the past few days, really trying to get to the bottom of this because it's a reoccurring theme in
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my life. Like when I did my Ironman and I really kicked up my training the couple months before
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the Ironman, like I gained about eight pounds then as well. I've actually come to the realization that
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there has to be more relaxation built into what I'm doing because if my body feels like it's always
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in war mode, even with the disciplined food, like I'm vegan, I don't eat oil, I don't eat salt.
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Even with eating as clean as I eat, the exercise has put my body into a state to where it thinks
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it's constantly at war so it wants to store everything. I've come to that realization. I
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know it's not probably a popular thought process and everybody's body is different, but I have
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learned that with me. The more I work out, actually the less weight I lose.
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Do you think, are you tired? I mean, if the body's storing what limited food it sounds like you're
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having and I can't even imagine the type of calories you're burning on a daily basis,
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are you exhausted? Like what does that level look like?
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You know, my body has some crazy endurance. I don't know how I do what I do because I always said
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like my dream was to become an athlete. But then when I became an athlete, I was doing Ironmans and
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doing what I'm doing now, you know, biking eight hours a day. Then I realized I made the wrong dream
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because I'm an athlete, but I'm a fat athlete. I still am about 30.
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I mean, let's be honest. You're not the quintessential version that everybody thinks of
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Exactly. Now I've lost 125 pounds, but I did not know that I would still be able to carry about 30,
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40 pounds of weight and do all that I'm doing. But now I'm getting down to the nitty gritty
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of figuring out how to get it truly off. And, uh, and yeah, so that's, that's, that's one
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interesting thing I've learned that more exercise, uh, actually has the opposite effect on weight loss.
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So how has that changed in your schedule? Because I talked with your assistant a couple of times
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trying to get this scheduled. And I know we've been bouncing around and that's, that's on me.
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That's my fault. As far as getting this pinned down, how has that realization changed the way
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that you're approaching this trek across the country?
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I have a new philosophy. I'm going to have more fun, less stress. I'm going to, I'm just going
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to treat each day. Like I want to play. And, uh, that's how I originally started out in my whole
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fitness journey. Uh, when I was over 300 pounds is that I just wanted to play. And I kind of got away
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from that because like, as a man, it's like, I'm going to do more, I'm going to do more. And I always
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find a way to just do more to where it got to the extreme of, I'm going to bike across America,
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bike 90 miles a day and, you know, be out in 115 degree weather for nine hours and I can do it.
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I can handle it, but it's just not providing the results. So I'm going to incorporate more,
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uh, freedom into it, more play into it. And if it takes longer, then that's fine. You know,
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we'll, we'll just, uh, we'll, we're going across the country, making people's dreams come true,
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but I want my dream to come true as well. I want to lose this weight and love the way I look as a man.
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Is that, so when you say it's, it wasn't achieving the results, is that the result that you're talking
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about? Or is it something different than that? Oh, what do you mean, man? Well, you said initially
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the way that you were approaching going across the country wasn't producing the result. So I'm
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curious what results it wasn't producing. I mean, I was, I was gaining weight. Okay. Right. And it blew
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my, it always blows my mind because I'm like, you know, just very like alpha about like,
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I'm going to do more if I'm not losing weight. All right, let's do, let's do, you know, 10 hours
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tomorrow, or let's start lifting weights and, you know, uh, bike in the nine hours and let's cut back
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on more food. Like just very like attacking it headstrong. Like I can outwork it. And the more
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I did that, oddly, the less results I had. Yeah. So you're talking about essentially working
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smarter, not necessarily harder now. Exactly. Which I always hated that term my whole life as
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a, as an entrepreneur in the music industry. And even with fitness, like I always believed in just
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good old fashioned hard work. Now I'm, I'm kind of at that end where it's like, okay,
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this is what they meant when they said smarter, not harder.
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Yeah. I almost look at it from my perspective. Cause I lean more towards what you're talking
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about hard work. And then you hear these terms like hustle and grind and which I don't, I don't
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like either of those terms, but I think there's obviously some truth to that. You got to work
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hard and you got to outwork other people. And certainly that will produce some results, but
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the older I get, and I'm not old by any means, but the older I get, the more I realize,
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Oh man, I can engage my mind just as much as I can get engaged my muscles and produce
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significantly more or better results in a shorter period of time. Why, why not try to achieve
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that as opposed to just grinding and hustling everything out? Cause there's other things
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I want to have fun. I want to enjoy time with my family. I want to enjoy vacations and trips
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and all the other wonderful things this life has to offer as well.
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That's right. And I'll tell you, man, the word grind and hustle. I don't like those words
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either. Like especially grind because like when I think about it and I was always a grinder,
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like in the music industry, we always had this like false sense of pride, like on a Sunday,
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if I were to go to the movies on a date, we would look at each other crazy. Like me and my
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business partners are employees. Like we'd be like, we got to grind. Like we don't have time
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to go to the movies. We don't have time to go on dates. It was just this false sense of pride.
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And then when I thought about the word grind, that sounds like a lot of friction. And that sounds
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like a lot of gravity and I'm tired of, of the friction. I'm tired of the gravity. I'm tired of
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the, you know, that mindset. Like what if I could get to the finish line by like floating, you know,
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like I'm still going somewhere. Just, I would rather be on an airplane than, you know, to be like
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walking, you know, walking is like grinding against the pavement where the airplane is kind of like
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floating. It just seems a little bit smarter. How do you reconcile that thought with, I'm going
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to trek a thousand miles or, or, or I don't even know how long is it across the U S how many miles
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for your trip? So I'm going from Santa Monica to New York and it's going to be 3,800 miles.
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So then the question is, how do you reconcile? I don't want to grind. Like I want to float. I want
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to be in the airplane with, I'm going to trek 3,800 miles across the U S. All right. For me,
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I guess it's the mentality going into the day. Am I going to grind out, you know, in 115 degree
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weather, you know, 90 miles, or am I just going to wake up and play today and go where it takes me
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and I'll get to the finish line, but you know what, let me have fun, you know, doing it.
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I think that would be the difference. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, it's the way that you
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approach it. It sounds like versus what you're actually doing. Am I understanding you correctly?
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Exactly. Yeah. That makes sense. So one of the things I'm, I'm blown away with is,
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and I want to get into your story in a minute, but I look at you and I see that you are obviously
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well-funded through this thing. A couple of examples, you know, I look at your dream machine,
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for example, dream machine. I got that right. Didn't I? Yeah. Yeah. So you've got the dream
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machine. We'll talk about that. I know that you're tied in with, with Nike. In fact, you're a Nike
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endorsed athlete essentially. Yeah. And then I see that this lady, this woman who's a school teacher,
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I think she was diagnosed with cancer and you guys paid off her mortgage and assisted her with
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some medical bills and some other things. You're incredibly well-funded. Talk to me about where
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that's coming from. Man, it's, when I retired from the music industry last October, I was fortunate
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enough to be able to save up money through the years. You know, a lot of people in the music
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industry, they live a very fast life. Sure. I was, I was pretty conservative with how I'd spend my
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money. So when I was in a really bad place and I wanted to retire and, and just start a whole new
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life, I was able to, you know, take the leap of faith. I didn't know how I would start making money.
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And honestly, you know, between me, you and your audience, I haven't made any money yet,
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you know, in my new endeavor of me just going and chasing my dreams. But I had faith that like
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amazing things would happen. And it's happened for the, for the dream machine tour. There's this guy
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that I met, his name is, uh, Amen and he owns a social media company and my friend works for him.
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And he came to me and he said, Charlie, I love, I love what you stand for. I love what you do.
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How can I help? And I said, man, this is my vision. Like I want to go across the country helping people.
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And he said, whatever you need, I'm going to help you. And that was just a huge blessing.
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So when we found the story of the teacher, I called him up. We weren't expecting to find that story.
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I was actually just going to the elementary school and helping paint and fix up the school
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since they didn't have any funding. I called in a contractor and we're in their painting.
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But everybody at the school told me about this teacher who had been diagnosed with cancer.
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She's 65 years old, but she didn't miss, but just a couple of days of school with all the chemo
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treatments and radiation. Cause she always put the kids first and, uh, found out that she didn't know
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how she was going to pay her medical bills or pay her mortgage. So when I called aiming up,
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he said, man, I want to fix the problem completely. He said, find out what her mortgage is, you know,
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to completely pay it off, find out, you know, what all her medical bills are. And that ended up being
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about 90,000. And he also said, you know what, I'm going to get her a new car as well. So it wasn't,
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it wasn't me, you know, but I was able to connect the dots to make somebody's life change.
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That's something, you know, a lot of us can do, you know, we might not have the resources, but
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you know, to make some phone calls, you know, it's realistic.
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You say it wasn't you, but that's coming from you, somebody who I know to be really humble.
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And I appreciate that of you, but it is you, you know, like you have this idea and this vision
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and connecting the dots and putting yourself out there. And I want to say something I recognize
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about you because I think there's a lot of guys who think that you have to be something
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opposite of what you actually are, because that's portrayed, right? It's portrayed even
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on this podcast. Let's be honest, even on this podcast, social media, the way that we are quote
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unquote supposed to behave as men is one thing, but the way that you show up is different. And I think
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that's a lot of the reason people are attracted to you. You know, I look at you for, for one,
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you're very unassuming. And I say that with all the respect and love that I have for you,
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because you're somebody who is able to pull down barriers because you don't have this big,
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boastful, prideful ego about you. You're very humble. You're not this slick guy. And I think
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people really resonate with that because they see that in themselves and they see all their own
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insecurities. And you're somebody who's willing to share your insecurities versus a lot of these
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guys that we see on social media and everywhere else who, who won't share that stuff and nobody
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connects. Nobody resonates with those people. It's true, man. I realized being perfect doesn't help
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anybody. I know I did. I would compare myself to who I would see on the internet, but who I see on
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the internet, like I'm comparing myself to somebody's highlight reel. Like they're only putting their
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highlights and I'm like, wow, like everybody seems so freaking perfect. And that's actually doing the
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opposite for me when I was like, really, really in a bad place. It would do the opposite for me. Their
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perfectness or perfection, I should say, um, was actually putting me in a deeper depression.
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And I just wanted somebody to be real. And I was like, all right, like I'm out of the music industry.
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I can free myself. I don't have to watch, you know, what I say, because like you can't manage a big
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artist like two chains and be on the internet talking about how depressed you are. So when I,
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when I freed myself, especially in hip hop, I mean, hip hop is a competitive sport and you can't be out
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there trying to negotiate deals and, you know, be tough, you know, to get things done and be on your
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Instagram, you know, talking about vulnerability and stuff like that. So when I got out of the music
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industry, I said, you know what, I'm just going to be me, tell the truth because somebody out there
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is going to need it. So I'm just like reaching my hand back. And when I studied, when I studied like
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superhero movies, I realized one thing at the end of most all superhero movies is they come back to the
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village to help everybody else. They don't just sail off into the sunset, like in a love story,
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like superheroes come back and help everybody else and tell them about the journey they went on.
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Like, if you think about it, even with like Lord of the Rings, they come back, you know? So that's,
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that's what I'm doing right now. Like I'm out figuring out how to save the world and I'm coming
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back to the village to teach everybody what I'm learning. I really liked your, I think it was your
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last video that you did and you talk about imperfection and you illustrate it because you take your shirt off
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there on the beach or wherever it was and you're running and you've got this beautiful girl and she's,
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she's taking pictures, mocking you. And then you've got this guy who looks like David Goggins who runs up
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behind you and like bumps into your shoulder and like you're in the way, man. That was such a powerful
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video because I think it illustrates perfectly what a lot of people, including myself, are experiencing
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Yeah, man. That video wasn't easy for me to make because like I still to this day, man,
00:22:36.680
I don't go to the beach and take my shirt off. My friends say, oh man, you look good. And I'm like,
00:22:42.280
I'm nowhere near where I want to be. But I was like, you know what? I felt free after I put that video
00:22:47.560
out and I got a, I got a lot of response from it. People really appreciated my courage for doing that
00:22:54.720
video. But yeah, it took 20 seconds to film the entire video. And sometimes, you know, it's the
00:23:04.320
Absolutely. Well, speaking of videos, you had showed me when we were out there in St. Louis,
00:23:08.900
your, I don't know if it was your first video, but this was really kind of your breakout video
00:23:13.440
where you talked about wanting to be an athlete and how long you've wanted to be an athlete. And the
00:23:18.500
part that obviously was, was so powerful was at the end you put, you know, insert Nike logo here,
00:23:24.060
right? Or something like that. That was so powerful. Talk to me and I'm going to link up
00:23:29.200
all these videos so the guys can watch this stuff. And of course we'll, we'll get in touch with you,
00:23:32.480
but tell me why you set out to create that video and then get the attention of Nike.
00:23:38.300
Yeah, for sure. So as a kid, man, I love Nike. When I was eight years old, me, my dad and my
00:23:46.860
grandfather, we had a, we had a bet who could pick the best stock. And I was like, I want to buy Nike.
00:23:54.060
Nike is the coolest company. That's where Michael Jordan is. He had the baggy pants. He had the fresh
00:24:00.240
shoes. I remember my dad, he picked Reebok and my grandfather picked like Sarah Lee or something
00:24:07.020
like some, like, you know, steady company. And, uh, ever since I was a kid, man, like Nike was,
00:24:14.380
was the best shoes in the world to me. They were fresh. So as I got older, I really appreciated Nike
00:24:21.340
because it was to me, it was a motivation company and it was like an inspiration company. And I felt
00:24:26.600
like that's what the world needed. And I couldn't think of another company in the world that provided
00:24:31.240
inspiration to the, to somebody else. So when I said, I want to become an athlete, I was like, man,
00:24:39.400
it would be a dream to be a Nike athlete. So I linked up with this guy who's amazing videographer.
00:24:45.500
We made this video, just me and him. And we did this little gag, this little camera gag where he
00:24:51.360
was always the same distance from me. We shot like maybe 50 different scenes and every scene,
00:24:58.400
the camera was the same exact distance from me because we had this pole, this PVC pipe pole that
00:25:04.180
was connected to me as I was running. And it was connected to him and he was on a skateboard.
00:25:09.180
So even when we made the song, we used my breathing. So like my breathing was a cadence,
00:25:18.120
So did you have that, that beat? Did you have that made then custom for the video itself?
00:25:23.100
Yeah. So we make, we make all of our music ourselves. We make, we do all of our videos
00:25:28.480
ourselves, color grading. So like when Nike saw it, they were like, well, first I put it out
00:25:35.640
because I don't know anybody at Nike. So when I put it out at the end, I said, insert Nike logo here.
00:25:42.000
And I said, you know, I just hope this inspires somebody. And I hope that Nike sees this. Next
00:25:48.160
thing I know, two, three days later, Nike calls me and they said, we don't know who you are,
00:25:55.660
but you have our campus in a frenzy. Apparently hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people were
00:26:03.240
sending this to their friends who work at Nike. And they said, we want to bring you up to Beaverton,
00:26:09.080
Oregon, uh, to our headquarters. And, uh, we got a surprise for you. When I got to Beaverton,
00:26:15.000
they flew me up. They had a car for me and everything. And, and I walk into this conference
00:26:20.280
room and they had a presentation on the big, on the big, um, huge flat screen TV. Everybody's
00:26:29.680
sitting in there. They had a presentation for me about me, about how I inspired them on why they go
00:26:39.200
to work every day. And that they said, sometimes we forget why we come to work at Nike, but you just
00:26:45.220
reminded us of what it's like to have a human potential. And that if you have a body, then you're
00:26:52.540
an athlete. Now we're doing all sorts of crazy things together, uh, me and Nike. And we got some big
00:26:58.420
news that we're going to announce soon. So it's really just all a dream come true, but it, it
00:27:03.440
happened by just telling the truth and wanting to help people and, and being honest, making content
00:27:10.680
that wasn't perfect because I figured like Nike didn't need another perfect athlete. If I was dunking,
00:27:18.420
you know, and I was like sweating and ripped and I could jump really high. They've got those guys
00:27:24.760
already. Sure. I felt they just needed, uh, somebody who, who was like the rest of us,
00:27:30.840
man. I agree. I think that's why your message is so powerful and resonating with so many people.
00:27:35.120
Can you give us a hint on this podcast as to the big news with Nike? Yeah. So, um, there's a lot of
00:27:41.560
things that we're going to do. Maybe somebody listening on the podcast could solve this puzzle.
00:27:47.120
So my heaviest weight was 305 and to qualify for something is also 305. So I'll just, I'll just say
00:27:57.900
that. And, and maybe, maybe somebody out there understands what I'm talking about, but we're
00:28:02.980
going to do a big campaign built around from 305 to 305. And I'm just going to leave it at that.
00:28:08.920
Okay. All right. There you go. There's the challenge guys, figure out what he's talking about
00:28:12.480
there. All right. Let's, let's, let's, let's move on. Cause one of the things that I was really
00:28:16.140
inspired by, you were, as we met in St. Louis, you were prepping for the Ironman, correct? In,
00:28:25.060
uh, was it New Zealand? It was New Zealand. So talk to me about that. I mean, had you ever done
00:28:31.700
any sort of long distance running, biking, swimming, anything like that? Like, why did you feel like
00:28:36.960
you were prepared to do this? So I had run before I'd ran three marathons, uh, prior and
00:28:46.100
through that process, I had gained, like we talked about earlier, I had gained about 30,
00:28:51.480
almost 40 pounds through my marathon running process, which, uh, really confused me.
00:28:57.900
Yeah. But so I'd run before I'd never really biked and I definitely never swam. I went into training
00:29:05.300
with the mindset of, you know what? I'm going to train like an eight year old.
00:29:09.100
I saw all these training programs and they said, you know, run at this distance at this heart rate
00:29:15.920
and do this lap and do this time trial and do this. And I was like, this is stupid. Like all this
00:29:22.460
data, all this, all these rules to training that I just needed to break it down into something simple.
00:29:28.500
And I said, how many hours a week is an Ironman training? And I saw it was anywhere between like
00:29:36.460
10 and 14. And I was like, wow, okay. That's a couple of hours a day. When I was a kid going to
00:29:44.060
the park and running around the park for a couple of hours on the weekend, wasn't hard or riding my
00:29:50.280
bike around the neighborhood for a couple of hours, wasn't hard or swimming at the pool for a couple
00:29:56.300
hours was never hard. So I'm just going to train like an eight year old and I'm going to wake up
00:30:02.760
and I'm going to play a little bit every day. And eventually I was able to, you know, do the Ironman
00:30:09.040
10 months later. And I just kept it simple. That's it. I just kept it simple and I had fun and I played
00:30:16.980
and that was pretty much it. And I was able to complete the Ironman. Now, granted, I was in last place,
00:30:24.200
but I finished with, uh, 17 minutes before the disqualification. Oh my gosh. It was that close.
00:30:32.380
Yeah. It was that close. It took me, uh, 17 hours and 40 minutes to finish.
00:30:38.940
Who did you run with? Uh, that's my best friend, Scott, man. He's, uh, that's my big brother,
00:30:45.080
my best friend. He's always had my back in my journey for weight loss and fitness. And he was the
00:30:50.600
one who challenged me to my, my first marathon. And then I challenged him to the Ironman and he's
00:30:56.240
48 and, uh, he's, he's pulling it all off. Amazing. He's also biking across America with me.
00:31:03.300
So, right. Well, that's what it's amazing, man. I just see you too. And again, this is a testament to
00:31:08.440
you. I see you too doing this stuff and I'm like, well, Charlie's crazy. Like we are, we've already
00:31:13.500
identified that. Like Charlie's crazy. He wants to do crazy stuff. He wants to dream big and he wants
00:31:17.660
to pursue this stuff and he wants to inspire other people. But it's pretty cool when you can get
00:31:23.140
somebody else to come along on these journeys with you. Like that's a, that's a testament to you,
00:31:28.840
I think. Yeah, man. And him too. I mean, I see you guys, I see you guys playing around. I see you
00:31:33.960
guys supporting each other. I see you uplifting each other. I recognize the power of that brotherhood.
00:31:38.100
That's pretty cool, man. Yeah, man. It's, it's, you know, I said on my Instagram this morning,
00:31:43.880
I was like, man, he's always had my back. So it's, it's easy for me to accomplish some of these
00:31:49.340
things because, you know, I can't let him down, you know, like sometimes we'll let ourselves down
00:31:55.980
in life, but when there's somebody else there, you're going to show up because you can't let
00:32:02.720
your brother down, you know? So it makes it easier when you got that brotherhood.
00:32:07.100
I've said it before and Charlie is reiterating it again for us today. But if you want something
00:32:14.800
different out of your life, you're going to have to do something different with your life.
00:32:19.000
Our brotherhood, the iron council might just be that something different that you need
00:32:23.060
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00:32:27.880
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00:32:32.580
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00:32:35.780
as I continue to do this and see the growth of the men inside the iron council, it's the brothers,
00:32:40.400
it's the men inside of the iron council who will help you achieve what you've only been talking
00:32:45.600
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00:32:50.200
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00:33:00.160
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man.com slash iron council. You can do that after the show, but for now, let's return back to the
00:33:15.880
conversation with my friend, Charlie. Why did you decide to embark upon all this? You've shared some
00:33:21.880
of this story with me and from your health challenges and the things that you've dealt with
00:33:26.760
to now completely turning your life around, but you did using it as a catalyst for growth and other
00:33:31.260
people's lives as well. Tell me a little bit about your own backstory as to why this work is now so
00:33:38.140
important for you. Man, it all comes down. And I said this at the end of the Nike commercial,
00:33:44.300
I said, my story isn't over yet, comma. And I always put a comma after everything in any of my videos.
00:33:54.380
I never use a period because comma means it keeps going. And when I got diagnosed with my brain tumor
00:34:02.140
and I was over 300 pounds and I was stuck in my business, it was, it was, it was just all so bad.
00:34:10.320
And I felt like my story was over. I looked at myself and I said, wow, that was it. You know,
00:34:16.640
and I'm, I'm a young man. You know, I just turned 30. I've been fortunate enough to do a lot in my life,
00:34:22.060
you know, entrepreneurial wise. But when I was looking at death, I said, that was it. That was
00:34:29.240
what I'll be remembered for is, you know, managing recording artists. And I said to myself that this
00:34:36.660
can't be my story. Even though the odds are stacked against me, I'm going to turn this around and I'm
00:34:44.140
going to live the most incredible life of all time. And I walked away from my business,
00:34:51.520
$15 million a year business. I walked away, which was not easy. And when I walked away,
00:34:57.260
I didn't ask for a penny. I didn't ask for a buyout for my business partners. I said,
00:35:03.320
you know what, if y'all want to give me anything, y'all can, but I'm going to embark on a whole new
00:35:08.620
journey. And I remember the conversation I had with them. I invited them to the steps of the
00:35:15.740
very first office that we had up in Atlanta. And we would sit out on the steps and I invited them
00:35:22.640
there. And I wanted to tell them at the same place I met them that I was going to embark on a new
00:35:28.780
journey. And they asked me, they said, well, what are you planning on doing? And I said, I want to be
00:35:35.220
an athlete. That's, that's my childhood dream. I said, I'm training for an Ironman and I'm going
00:35:41.620
to do amazing journeys. And I want to live the most amazing life. And I want to help people. And
00:35:47.880
I'm, I don't plan on selling anything. I just plan on doing amazing things and the money will figure
00:35:54.500
itself out. I think they thought I was a little crazy. I probably am a little crazy, but a lot,
00:36:00.860
but it's, it's a good crazy. So far it's working out. Yeah. So with your diagnosis,
00:36:07.820
your brain cancer, was that an advanced or an aggressive form? I mean, were you terminal at
00:36:13.880
one point? Like what, what was the deal there? I can't remember exactly, but it was pretty inspiring
00:36:17.640
what you did for yourself. Man, I'll tell you, man, I got so lucky that it wasn't cancer. It was
00:36:23.340
benign, but it was wrapped around my left optic nerve. It was wrapped around the artery that goes into
00:36:28.720
the brain and started corroding the top of my spinal cord. And it was, I mean, they couldn't
00:36:36.880
operate on it and they have this medication that works for a lot of people. And for me,
00:36:43.760
my body formed an immunity to the medication. So they started increasing the dosage so much
00:36:50.620
that it started affecting my heart valves and my heart valves started making a noise. So I truly felt
00:36:57.040
screwed. And that's when I kind of took things into my own hands and I wanted to get down to the root
00:37:03.560
of what is a brain tumor. It comes from some sort of imbalance. I looked back, how's in my gut,
00:37:15.080
everything told me that this imbalance is coming from how I've eaten my entire life.
00:37:21.140
And I've always, I've always been on diets and I would even go years without eating fruit or
00:37:30.400
vegetables because most of the diets I would do were like a ketogenic diet. And I'm talking about
00:37:37.620
from a very young age, I probably started dieting around age 10. And I remember one of my first ones
00:37:44.380
was Atkins, you know, I would either starve myself or I would only eat meat or I would eat all this
00:37:50.700
processed stuff. Or then I would, then I would get into binge eating and it would just be just nothing
00:37:56.780
alive. I wouldn't eat anything alive. So I asked myself, I got to back up. What do you mean by alive?
00:38:03.620
Are you talking about animals? Are you talking about plants? Like, what do you mean by that?
00:38:06.700
I mean plants. Okay. Or simply like, this is how I look at it is what I'm eating dead or alive.
00:38:14.460
Oil, dead, salt, dead, banana, alive. If you are what you eat is what I'm eating dead or alive. So I
00:38:25.300
got rid of a lot of things that were dead in my diet and I started eating living food and I noticed
00:38:33.480
that it changed my frequency completely. Like things in my body started healing. My asthma went
00:38:39.940
away. My acne went away. I never knew why as a 28, 29 year old male, I would have acne. I thought I was
00:38:47.480
going to outgrow it when I was 17, 18. It just never went away. Even things like the sinuses, the
00:38:54.580
cyanitis, it all just started healing. And I noticed things like when I would do the Ironman,
00:39:01.360
I didn't get sore the day after, even though I exercised for 17 hours, the next day I woke up
00:39:08.580
and was not sore. It was interesting because a lot of people who eat the way I eat, they're not
00:39:14.260
experiencing the inflammation in the body. And when I think about inflammation, I think about like,
00:39:20.440
okay, our bodies are designed to heal themselves. Like if I got a cut on my hand right now and I would
00:39:29.160
rub dirt on it, that dirt would inflame and it wouldn't heal properly. But if I took something
00:39:36.340
clean like water and put on it, it would heal itself. And that's what my body started doing
00:39:42.060
when I started putting something clean in instead of something dirty. It started just fixing itself.
00:39:49.700
That's interesting. From just a 30,000 foot view, that makes sense. I mean, it's really,
00:39:53.400
really an interesting perspective. It seems like it's, it's working for you.
00:39:59.280
I want to ask a question. I'm trying to be a little bit sensitive about this because I recognize in you
00:40:04.140
the hard work and the sacrifice and commitment and discipline that you've, you've had to embark
00:40:08.360
upon in order to fulfill some of these dreams of yours. But I know that there's probably people who
00:40:13.300
are thinking, okay, well, you know, Charlie's 30 years old. He doesn't have a family or kids or this
00:40:18.880
work obligation and all these other things that a lot of people have. And I know that they're
00:40:24.740
thinking to themselves, well, that's easy for you to do because you're free to do that stuff.
00:40:29.120
But I can't pursue my stuff because I've got a mortgage and three kids and fill in the blank.
00:40:36.220
And that's what they're telling themselves. I'd love for you to speak on that.
00:40:39.720
I mean, there's truth to it. There's absolute truth to, you know, people having their lives.
00:40:46.240
And I've been fortunate enough to be able to design the life that I want. But I also feel
00:40:53.440
that everybody can design to a certain degree what they want. For example, like my best friend,
00:41:01.720
Scott, he's 48 years old. He has a wife and two kids. And he's out here doing this with me. He sold
00:41:09.360
his business to come chase his dream with me. And, you know, we're taking a leap of faith.
00:41:14.900
Both of us are taking a leap of faith because we don't exactly know how we're going to make money
00:41:21.280
yet. But I have a feeling that when this bike tour is done, that there's going to be speaking
00:41:27.980
engagements. There might, you know, I'm writing a book. So he's 48 with two kids and he's going to
00:41:36.100
figure it out. You know, we're both going to figure it out together. There's not one way to
00:41:40.460
create. Just like driving home. There's many ways to drive home. So maybe that could inspire
00:41:47.480
somebody because I might be unrealistic. But here's another guy that is maybe just like that
00:41:54.420
person. And he's doing it. So people don't really believe something until they see somebody do it.
00:42:00.620
Especially somebody who is like them, looks like them and have similar situations.
00:42:07.540
And it's kind of like I like running. So I use the example of the guy, the first guy who broke the
00:42:14.560
four minute mile in the world. Nobody thought it was possible. Many people had tried. Nobody had ever
00:42:20.840
done it. And they felt it was literally impossible until one day, I believe his name was Roger Bannister.
00:42:27.600
Right. He broke the four minute mile. And once other people saw that he could do it,
00:42:34.320
all of a sudden, like the next year, like four people did it. And now maybe close to a thousand
00:42:40.420
people have done it. And believe it or not, the guy at Nike who is who's who's working on my project,
00:42:48.200
he he's one of the 800 people who have broken the four minute mile. So but yeah, sometimes you just
00:42:55.740
have to see somebody do it. And I think that's what's beautiful about our journey. There's there's a
00:43:00.500
young person who's broken away from society, you know, and not going down this the road that, you know,
00:43:07.380
society tells us. And then you got my big brother, Scott, who's breaking away from society's rules as
00:43:16.260
Yeah, that's it. You know, it's really interesting as you bring up this situation with Roger Bannister is
00:43:20.760
is everybody was not, not everybody, but the few that broke that the next year or whatever it may
00:43:25.740
have been was physically capable of completing that task. And yet it was their mindset that got
00:43:32.680
in the way. There's nothing that really changed. I mean, maybe they kept training, but let's be
00:43:37.020
honest. There's nothing significant that really changed other than they shattered their preconceived
00:43:42.740
notions in their mind or somebody else did in this case.
00:43:48.640
What is this like when things get scary or you get afraid? I imagine you're what, 10, 12, 14 hours out
00:43:59.360
in this thing and you're riding all day and you're doing your miles, your 90 miles. I'm sure there's
00:44:04.700
moments where you're like, what the hell am I actually doing out here? And what are you telling
00:44:10.220
yourself and how do you break out of maybe the negative feelings or conversations in your head
00:44:16.720
that you've, I'm sure got to be having? Oh my goodness. I'm having those negative conversations
00:44:22.840
in my head way more than I thought I was going to. I completely underestimated the mental strain
00:44:30.700
that this trip would have on me, but I'm glad it happened because it's forcing me to go back
00:44:38.120
to the thought process. Am I having fun? If not, change something. It's time to have fun. I was
00:44:49.820
thinking about this this morning. So many people do like yoga or any trendy thing, you know, Pilates or
00:44:58.740
whatever to relax. I like going back to just like the simple things. What's the time in my life
00:45:04.500
when I had no stress? I was a kid eating cereal, playing in the backyard, riding my bike around
00:45:13.280
the neighborhood. There was no stress back then. We weren't doing yoga. We weren't doing all this
00:45:18.040
other, you know, trendy stuff. We were simply playing. And I'm like, you know what? There's
00:45:23.400
something amazing happens when you just go in the backyard and throw a football. That's like man yoga
00:45:28.720
right there. Like literally, I bet you if you studied the brain, it would be the it's probably
00:45:34.360
more powerful, you know, for relaxation or, you know, it's a form of meditation in itself.
00:45:41.360
Just throwing the football or shooting some hoops. So when I get stressed out and I feel like I'm
00:45:47.020
working too hard or this feels like a job, I'm like, how could we make this fun? Because there is
00:45:52.200
two ways of doing something. There's the I got a grind way and then there's the I'm going to have fun
00:45:57.760
and still do it way. I see some people, they just float through life and they're never stressed out
00:46:03.160
and they get more done than I get done. And I'm over here slaving away. And I'm glad it's been tough.
00:46:10.500
I'm glad there's been those hard moments because it's reminded me just play, play more.
00:46:17.460
And I imagine there's validity to both, right? I mean, play is good and it can lighten you up and
00:46:22.460
free your mind a little bit. And then there's also times where, you know what? You committed to doing
00:46:26.220
something and maybe you don't feel like doing it. Maybe it's hard physically, mentally, emotionally,
00:46:30.520
but you do it because you're a man of your word and you said you would. So I imagine it's a bit
00:46:34.780
of both. And the trick probably is to find the balance. When do I bear down? And when do I
00:46:40.500
lighten up and enjoy the process a little bit more? That's right. That's right.
00:46:45.580
So we've talked about mindset. How about your body physically? How is your body holding up?
00:46:50.020
Where are you feeling it? Where are you feeling good? How is it looking right now?
00:46:52.540
Well, man, I'll tell you, I'm impressed. I did not know that I could do what I'm doing.
00:46:59.740
I'll be honest. It's a little bit different. I know I'm a little bit younger than my big
00:47:04.860
brother, Scott. But for me, it's been easy. It's been the mental strain that's been tough
00:47:11.400
and the stress. But physically, this is a scenario that happened the other day. I don't know what
00:47:18.200
was going on. But in the first five miles, I got glassy eyed. And I had to tell Scott,
00:47:25.240
I'm like, Scott, I've got to lay down for a second. I don't know what's wrong. We're out in
00:47:29.120
the middle of nowhere, New Mexico. And the two days before were straight uphill. They weren't
00:47:36.020
mountains, but it was straight uphill for two days straight. So on the third day, which is when your
00:47:43.380
body is really, really, really exhausted. First five miles, I just had to lay down on the side
00:47:49.040
of the road, eat a little food. I took like a 15 minute power nap under like a little tree. And
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and and our walkie talkies weren't working. And we had no cell phone reception. So we couldn't call the
00:48:03.040
bus. Of course, that's when it happens, right? Everything's got to go wrong at once.
00:48:06.420
Exactly. So it was it was like, I have no choice, but to give this another try. So I got up,
00:48:15.120
I got on the bike, and I had no idea what we were getting into. I didn't know what the next six hours
00:48:20.860
would look like. It was a mountain range. It was six hours straight up. We're talking about
00:48:28.740
eight to 10 degree grade. Absolutely madness. We can only go about five miles an hour because it's
00:48:38.200
so steep. So I found some inner strength that I didn't know I had from me going glassy eyed to
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hauling ass of this mountain for the next five, six hours. And it was one of the best moments of my life
00:48:53.140
because when we got to that summit, like me and Scott, we're just cheering at the top of our lungs
00:48:58.440
because every time you snake around, you know, one of these curvy roads, like you feel like you're
00:49:04.580
near the top because you can't see anything. So it's like, I know when I snake around, you know,
00:49:09.780
this, we're going to be at the top. And then, you know, fast forward, you know, five hours later of
00:49:15.180
still thinking that. Right. Two dozen curves that you've passed that aren't the top, right? Two dozen,
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50 dozen. Absolutely insane. And it was one of the best moments of my life when I got to the top
00:49:29.660
because I learned what I was truly made of. If I could beat that from going glassy eyed passed out
00:49:36.560
on the side of the road to conquering a mountain, then I was like, man, nothing in life can ever stop
00:49:43.780
me. And the reward was going down that other side of the mountain, 40 miles an hour on the bike.
00:49:49.320
It took six hours to get up. It took 45 minutes to go down the other side.
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It's so nice, but at the same time, it's so frustrating, man. Everybody who's listening to
00:50:00.420
this has experienced how easy it is to go down the wrong track and difficult it is to go up the
00:50:06.460
right one. That's right. Well, awesome, man. What's on the docket for you? What's next? Obviously,
00:50:11.520
you've got about what? 1,800 more miles, excuse me, 2,800 more miles. Don't want to short you a thousand
00:50:15.940
miles. 2,800 more miles to go on this thing. But what's next? What do you see this going from here?
00:50:22.380
Well, I really want to reach more people. That's why I like doing podcasts like this. And Andy's
00:50:28.960
podcast was amazing because I know it can have an effect if somebody's going through something.
00:50:35.860
So I want to reach more people. I want to continue doing amazing journeys. I have a really cool concept
00:50:42.720
that I'm pitching to Nike that will be in a really amazing journey, kind of like this bike across
00:50:47.740
America, but kind of similar but different because everything I do, like even with Nike,
00:50:54.100
it has to be about helping people. It can't be about me running fast. It has to be about me doing
00:51:01.120
something athletic, me kind of being a guinea pig, but at the same time, helping somebody else and
00:51:08.520
making it about others. So that's what's next. I'm almost done writing my book. So that should be
00:51:14.840
coming out at the end of this year or top of next year. And that's pretty much it right now.
00:51:21.300
Right on, man. We're going to stay in touch, obviously, you and I, and I'll continue to
00:51:25.200
share what you're doing. You have my support. I hope you know that, man. That's why you're on the
00:51:28.460
show. I want to be able to support and lift up what you're doing because I think it lifts other people
00:51:32.060
up. And certainly we want to be able to follow you. So as we come to an end today,
00:51:36.900
let me ask you a couple additional questions. The one I prepped you for about an hour ago,
00:51:41.220
which isn't a lot of time, but I think you can, I think you can do it is what does it mean to be a
00:51:45.860
man? Oh man, I'm sure everybody takes a deep breath before they have to answer this one.
00:51:54.540
I'll say, I'll say for me to be a man. When I think of the word man, for me, I think of legacy.
00:52:03.860
I believe that could be man or a woman. But for me as a man, I want to leave something
00:52:11.100
on this earth. I think about Marcus Aurelius, for example. To create something or to teach
00:52:19.860
and it not die when you die is very, very fascinating to me. I think that's what man or
00:52:27.620
woman should do. But for me, when I think about being a man, I want to create, I want to help in a
00:52:33.460
way that lives way beyond me. I want to leave a legacy. And I think about like Jesus Christ,
00:52:39.740
for example, like he did three years worth of work and it's now on, you know, 2000 something
00:52:45.560
years later, it's still living on. A legacy is still living on, still helping people.
00:52:51.640
That's what fascinates me and what I feel like for me as a man, I want to do.
00:52:56.920
Because man, man provides a lot, you know, I mean, politically correct women do too, but men provide
00:53:05.860
and the best thing to provide to the world or to somebody else is to teach them and to help other
00:53:14.520
people grow as well. And that's what I want to do. That's what I feel it takes to be a man is to
00:53:22.060
operate out of legacy and to operate out of providing and to be able to provide the most
00:53:29.240
valuable resource. And that's, that's our knowledge from what we experience in life to teach other
00:53:34.960
people our way of life. I love that, man. That's really powerful. And obviously it's good to hear
00:53:41.120
because this is something you're actually doing. You know, it's easy to talk about what it means to
00:53:44.920
be a man. It's easy to talk about the things we quote unquote should be doing. But then when you marry
00:53:49.180
that up with somebody who's actually doing it and we did a podcast on this, I don't know, a couple of
00:53:54.080
weeks ago or so about what I have dubbed the integrity gap, which is the things we know we
00:53:58.500
should be doing versus the things that we're actually doing. And so to watch you bridge that
00:54:04.400
gap by completing this, this track and doing all the wonderful things you're doing and helping and
00:54:10.080
providing a legacy and giving back and all the wonderful things you're doing. It's, it's pretty
00:54:13.620
inspiring to see, man. How do we connect with you? How do we follow your journey? Learn a little bit
00:54:18.040
more about what you're up to. For sure. I would say, uh, the best way is Instagram. I love Instagram
00:54:24.660
at Charlie on Instagram and, uh, also YouTube, uh, Charlie Jabley, or you could just Google me.
00:54:31.480
It'll pop up, but yeah, everything, everything is pretty much connected, uh, through those two
00:54:36.640
platforms. Um, you'll be able to find the website or whatever, but, uh, my first name is Charlie.
00:54:41.360
My last name is Jabley. That's J A B A L E Y. If you want to Google me and if you want me on
00:54:47.720
Instagram, it's just at Charlie. Right on. We'll make sure that everybody knows where to go,
00:54:53.320
knows how to sync with you guys. Go follow Charlie. I'm telling you, you're going to be
00:54:56.160
inspired. Hopefully it's going to get you to do some incredible things in your life,
00:55:00.200
whatever that looks like for you. So Charlie, I appreciate you, man. I have since we met, uh,
00:55:04.140
roughly, I don't know, six months or so ago, love following your journey. Love having
00:55:08.220
conversations like this. I've been wanting to do this and it's easy to see why this was a very,
00:55:13.460
very powerful conversation. So thanks for taking some of your time. I know you're a busy man,
00:55:17.120
obviously with what you're doing. And it means a lot that you'd come on the show today,
00:55:24.140
Gentlemen, there it is my conversation with Charlie Jabley. I told you that you would be inspired.
00:55:28.200
I told you that his energy is infectious. And I think that you're probably walking away
00:55:33.060
understanding exactly what I meant. The guy's inspiring. It's really inspiring to see what he's
00:55:38.200
done. Some of the videos telling and sharing his story are amazing. I'll make sure I link those
00:55:43.200
up in the show notes so that you guys can watch those videos. I remember watching the very first
00:55:47.360
video that he did that we talked about in the interview, uh, when he was pitching that to
00:55:51.860
Nike and blown away, completely blown away with who he is and his story. So guys hit me up on Twitter,
00:55:58.240
Instagram, Facebook, wherever you are. Charlie shared with us how to get ahold of him. So make sure
00:56:02.700
you hit him up as well. Send a message, let him know that you heard him on this show
00:56:06.300
and the wonderful things that you're going to be doing in your life to change and to improve and
00:56:11.060
to grow and the positivity that, uh, hopefully you gained from him. Again, head to orderofman.com.
00:56:17.660
You can check us out on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, wherever you are, wherever you're doing
00:56:21.580
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00:56:25.940
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00:56:29.380
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00:56:35.320
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00:56:40.560
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00:56:45.060
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00:56:49.780
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00:56:55.800
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00:57:02.060
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