Order of Man - EDDIE PENNEY ｜ Living Unafraid

00:00:00.000 We live in some interesting times to say the least. Coronavirus, the reaction to coronavirus,

00:00:06.400 political unrest, freezing temperatures across the country, riots, blackouts, and so much more.

00:00:12.360 And unfortunately, rather than meeting these challenges on our feet as men,

00:00:16.800 many people have allowed fear to dictate the course of their action. Today, I'm joined by

00:00:22.940 former Navy SEAL, Eddie Penny, to talk about living life unafraid. We discuss dealing with

00:00:29.120 death, addressing and overcoming the victimhood mentality that has permeated much of society,

00:00:34.840 the difference between equality and equity, where morals and values are derived from,

00:00:40.020 and ultimately how to live life fully in spite of the fear that surrounds us.

00:00:44.940 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:00:49.860 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:00:55.840 deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This

00:01:03.000 is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself

00:01:08.540 a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler, and I am the host and the founder

00:01:14.140 of the Order of Man podcast and movement. And I got to say thank you first and foremost, because without

00:01:18.880 you, this would not be a movement. We would not have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of men who

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00:01:29.740 And that's what I want. I don't wanted this to just be a conversation. I don't want it to simply

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00:01:40.480 implementing in your lives for the betterment of you and your family and your community and the

00:01:45.120 people that you are called and compelled to serve. So thank you for doing a good job. You inspire me

00:01:50.040 more than you may know. And you have given me opportunities to have some incredible,

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00:03:36.340 you to Eddie penny. This one has been a long time in the works. I've been following Eddie for

00:03:40.780 years now at this point. He spent 20 years in the military first as a Marine initially. And then

00:03:47.100 he eventually became a Navy seal and he was signed to Navy special warfare development group.

00:03:52.900 Dev grew. You guys probably know that as seal team six. He's an absolutely incredible human

00:03:58.020 being. He's proven himself to be a tremendous asset. He's definitely somebody I'd want on my side

00:04:02.900 if things go South, but he's been an asset to the military, of course, to his children.

00:04:07.220 And then later in founding an organization called the contingent group it's designed to provide

00:04:13.620 safety and security needs and measures for people and organizations domestically and internationally.

00:04:19.160 So this guy's well-versed in confronting fear, dealing with facing fear and coming out on the

00:04:26.720 better side of those scenarios. So I hope you enjoy this one guys. Eddie, what's up, man? Glad to have

00:04:32.400 you on the podcast. Thanks for having me, Ryan. Appreciate it, man. Yeah, you bet. I've been

00:04:36.320 following you for probably a couple of years, but I've really been enthralled, I guess is maybe the

00:04:42.640 word with what you put out there lately. I don't know. I'm trying to think of the right word. Yeah.

00:04:47.500 I mean, it's, well, you know what? It's interesting because I like guys like yourself because you say

00:04:53.180 what I think needs to be said and you say it in a way that it needs to be said, but so many people in

00:04:58.780 this day and age are offended about every little thing. And I like that you just put it out there

00:05:02.920 raw. Yeah. That, uh, just kind of talking about, I kind of, I, I think there was a study. It was a

00:05:09.120 study when the whole Trump Biden first started about how 60 something percent of people were afraid to

00:05:14.800 give their opinion. And you could see why it is. If I, if I put something about a teddy bear on

00:05:20.240 Instagram, somebody, or at least a few people are going to have a problem with that teddy bear.

00:05:25.100 Why is the teddy bear Brown? It looks a little bit short. I don't like that teddy bear.

00:05:28.780 Is that a female teddy bear? So it's just like, there's always something it's like, you can never

00:05:32.640 please everybody. And what's I, I mean, which, you know, we kind of know that, but you really

00:05:37.580 don't see it until you like post, throw it out there. And I'm like, man, there's all this stuff

00:05:42.400 that the events, current events that we should talk about, like racism, the election, uh, certain

00:05:48.180 things that people are afraid to talk about. They need to be talked about because everyone's

00:05:51.900 afraid to talk about. So it never gets talked about. And then we just start building up these

00:05:56.660 opinions and formulating our own mind without getting another second opinion from someone

00:06:01.080 else's side and not really learning. And it's just, it's pathetic to be honest with you.

00:06:05.260 It really is. And it's, it's, it's like a wound or some sort of, you know, cancer or illness that

00:06:10.160 will just fester inside of you. And you really can't see the symptoms of whatever's festering

00:06:16.660 inside. If you just bury it until it's too late. And I feel like that's, what's happening

00:06:21.040 in society. Right. Like, don't, don't talk about gender. Don't talk about sex. Don't talk about

00:06:27.080 racism. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about that. Um, and it's not like those problems go away

00:06:33.180 just cause we're not talking about it. Right. They're still there. They're absolutely still there.

00:06:38.100 Yeah. Is that the reason that you post the way that you do and you bring up these very,

00:06:43.080 well, frankly, they're controversial. I don't really think they're all that controversial,

00:06:47.980 but that's coming from somebody who sees it very much the same way you do.

00:06:51.540 Right. I guess my big thing is like, we're going away from morals and values in this country and,

00:06:59.160 and me, and I don't know if we are, or if this media has its little tight, little evil grip around

00:07:04.160 certain things. And like, Hey, we're only going to put this out there and not talk about the other

00:07:07.840 side. Like we'll talk about transgender or getting rid of this or getting rid of that. And

00:07:13.580 everyone should be thinking like this. Now it's not true. Like we have values and when it, when it

00:07:20.140 feels wrong, it, it's probably wrong. And I mean, you know, for whatever percentage of the population

00:07:27.040 is feels a certain way, you know, there's another huge majority that's like, this isn't right, but

00:07:31.440 they keep their mouth shut. And it's, and I, and I say this and I, I've hesitated a lot to post this

00:07:37.660 one, which it's coming. Trust me is, um, as I, as I'm a Christian, like, I'm not like, Hey, I'm a

00:07:43.040 Christian, but I, I'm a Christian. Like I, I, you know, I pick up my Bible every day. I try to get

00:07:47.920 better. I try to do actually walk out Jesus's life as best as I possibly can. Do I fall short

00:07:53.540 constantly, but it just, it's like anything else, right? If I pick up a new hobby or sport,

00:07:57.820 I fail, I fail, I learn, I learn, I get stronger, stronger, and stronger.

00:08:01.740 And, um, it's, things are not talked about and about our values. And it is just, it's

00:08:08.920 disgusting. It hurts me. It's just, you know, we go back, I go back to my parents, what they

00:08:13.480 instilled in me and they did a wonderful job. And I'm trying to not like, I want to pass that down

00:08:18.980 to my children, but the school system, media, uh, social media, that stuff in their, their mind,

00:08:26.020 like, Oh, twerking school when you're seven years old. No, it's not cool. It's not cool. You look like a

00:08:30.160 slut. It's not cool. Do you feel that there's, this is a thing that I've wrestled with on my own.

00:08:37.180 I've wondered, is this trend that I see us going down of this degenerate society that we live in?

00:08:43.820 We're talking about sexualizing children. Like you just talked about, um, drugs, alcohol, pornography,

00:08:51.040 gender, transgender, like all of these things, racism. And it's another issue that I, I don't

00:08:57.180 actually believe is as bad as the media would hype it up to be. No, it's not. So do you think it's

00:09:03.820 some sort of design, like collaborative effort, or do you think it's just the natural progression of

00:09:09.700 times being frankly, very good? You really want to dig deep into this rabbit hole, don't you?

00:09:15.860 I do, man. We got, we got, we got an, and we got an hour to do it, dude.

00:09:19.240 I'll tell you one thing I forgot to mention about that, but the whole Christian thing is that

00:09:22.800 Christians make up a huge population of this, of this country. And, and they're, they're acting

00:09:28.600 very meek and mild because they don't want to stir the pot. They're, they're afraid to say something

00:09:33.080 like, Oh, we're supposed to love everyone, love everyone. Okay. I would say, go back to your Bible

00:09:36.720 and go see what Jesus did pretty much every Sunday. He stirred the pot. It was, you heal people on Sundays

00:09:42.000 and what he's not supposed to eating, whatever, whatever it was back then. Uh, but, but it's all the

00:09:47.080 time. It was all, it was constantly, and you can interpret the Bible as any way you want to, but

00:09:51.420 we are so afraid and I, and I'm like disgusted by a lot of my, uh, you know, Christian counterparts

00:09:57.800 or whatever, they, they don't, they don't want to stir the pot. They're afraid to speak their mind.

00:10:01.200 And that is called weak. That is just being weak and a coward. And, um, so I, I think we're building

00:10:08.640 these things like racism way more than it really is. It, it, it comes down. I'm sure you've seen it.

00:10:15.200 It's, I don't judge you by your skin color. It's if you're an asshole or not. I mean, that that's,

00:10:20.580 if you treat people good, I don't care if you're a fricking dinosaur or an alien or a ruler on a,

00:10:25.960 on a table. If you treat me well, Hey buddy, we're getting along and I'm going to do the same

00:10:29.700 for you. I'm going to like reciprocate that. Uh, but we don't, we don't do that. We, we paint these

00:10:35.120 pictures, especially with all the, the BLM riots, which is probably the greatest, just their name.

00:10:42.380 Black lives matter. I mean, well done, well done, but they don't help the black communities.

00:10:47.080 Are you talking about, are you talking with their name? Are you talking about from like a marketing

00:10:52.220 or position perspective? When you say well done, what do you mean by that? I think from both

00:10:55.660 marketing and warping your mind, great marketing. I mean, it's great marketing. Like, Oh yeah,

00:11:00.540 we're talking about black lives matter. It's all right. But if I, if I, if we take that same

00:11:03.900 principles and I put white lives matter, Oh dude, I'm, I'm going to get, I'm done. Like I'm done.

00:11:09.060 And that is right. That's bullshit. I, I should, it shouldn't be that way. It shouldn't be that way

00:11:14.040 at all. And they're not, if there was just to be out there, it should be, you know, like I, we,

00:11:18.700 we have that little time, like all lives matter. Like people are getting upset by people saying all

00:11:22.300 lives matter. That's ridiculous. That is insane. Well, it's just strange that we even have to say

00:11:31.480 either. Like, do we really have to say black lives matter? I think no overwhelming majority of

00:11:37.840 people on this planet would agree with the sentiment, not, not the organization, the

00:11:43.120 sentiment. And I think the overwhelming majority of everybody on this planet would believe that

00:11:49.440 all lives matter. Like, I don't, that's not even a debate. It's not even open for discussion.

00:11:54.940 Everybody for the most part, again, there's the select few and you've dealt with those people

00:11:59.560 intimately. We all know and believe in the sanctity of human life. Like that doesn't need to be said.

00:12:05.200 Right. Yeah. But, but they, but the thing is, and of course this is where you believe and what

00:12:10.200 proof you have and what you've seen and what you've heard is that it's just a fricking front for the

00:12:14.100 democratic party. That's what it was to gain money. And I firmly believe that it was, that's what it

00:12:19.580 was used for. Let's start all this. Let's show this, the black public, they just need this. They need

00:12:24.100 this. They need this. And they do need certain things. And so does the white public. And so do

00:12:27.920 Hispanics and Asians in this country. We all, we all need something. We all have a strong,

00:12:33.120 strong spot. We all have a weak spot. But, but what's being covered. Black lives matter. It's

00:12:39.080 all being covered by the media. So everyone that are sitting in their house, like, Oh my God,

00:12:42.780 these, these poor people are getting just destroyed. And yes, they have slums, they have bad

00:12:47.540 areas. And so does every other race. We've heard of the trailer park. I mean, there's, there's

00:12:52.220 no fricking difference. There is no difference, but we're making it worse by, by putting it out

00:12:58.640 there and putting all this and like people getting on their knees and kiss and be like,

00:13:02.180 come on, dude, don't ever apologize for who, how God created you, please. It's just,

00:13:06.600 it's like that you're talking about from that Christianity standpoint. Cause I see that too,

00:13:10.220 is like, we're supposed to be friendly and loving and nonjudgmental. That's the one I hear.

00:13:14.280 Right. That's a hard one. And it's true. We don't want to judge people, but that doesn't mean that we

00:13:20.020 as individuals can't, whether you're a Christian or some other denomination or don't believe in God at

00:13:24.680 all, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand by your convictions. Like, absolutely.

00:13:31.160 Right. You shouldn't sacrifice your principles. Right. You got to stand up where you're for

00:13:34.760 believe. And I don't, and people will take that out of context. Well, I believe in,

00:13:38.680 you know, white power, or I believe in, you know, just black power. Okay. That's so that's wrong.

00:13:45.780 All right. You gotta, it has to be right. Just what you're standing for. Like, you know,

00:13:49.160 you should know your, your, every human's made the same. Do we do some have issues mentally? Of

00:13:55.180 course they do, but you should be standing up for what's right. And it's like, it's equality. If

00:13:59.940 we're really looking for equality, start taking out names, start taking them out and treat everyone

00:14:05.620 equal. We should have no scholarships for this race or scholarships for this race, or we can only

00:14:12.500 get in this certain percentage into the school like that. Yes. Like the organizations of those places

00:14:18.020 are, that's what that is. I mean, I, I heard even when I did a lot of research and all this was

00:14:23.560 going on, I'm like, okay, what's really going on here. And I, and I learned that like in certain

00:14:27.500 schools, like Asians are very, very smart, like very smart. Um, and they were getting into a

00:14:33.680 particular Ivy leaves, Ivy league school and they had to like stop them. Cause they didn't want too

00:14:38.540 many Asians in there. Okay. So that, that would be racism in my, my opinion, I think, or that's not

00:14:44.880 okay. It's not even an opinion. Yeah. That's bull crap. Like, I'm sorry. Like it shouldn't

00:14:50.460 matter. It's like, who's the best person for the job? Well, you know what? We really need a black

00:14:54.360 guy in here and two females. Okay. Well, that's, that's where we start. Like it should be the best

00:14:59.760 person for the job. And I understand like certain place we need different demographics. And I understand

00:15:05.640 that. And those should be met. Like the military is one of them. Like we need to get, you know, um,

00:15:10.600 a Pakistani because we might be going over there. We need someone to blend in. Like I get certain

00:15:14.360 things, certain jobs, understandably, but we're, we're way off the mark in my opinion on certain

00:15:19.820 jobs. Yeah. But when you talk about that in the military, let's take, for example, an interpreter

00:15:23.920 that happens to be attached to a unit and he happens to be Pakistan or Iraqi. Okay. Yes. I guess that's

00:15:30.940 his ethnicity or his, his country or his race, but it's also a qualification in that, in that.

00:15:38.520 Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yeah. You still got to do A, B and C.

00:15:42.580 Right. Well, I think what happens when we, when we take race or sex as a determinant of job

00:15:51.540 qualification, inevitably we're going to get inferior results. And let me be very clear about

00:15:56.360 this because somebody is going to misconstrue that. I'm not saying other races are inferior.

00:16:00.640 I'm not saying women are inferior men or vice versa. I'm saying that if you're only judging it

00:16:06.020 based on characteristics that actually don't qualify you for the position, the, the effectiveness of

00:16:13.860 the team organization or unit will always be diminished, always be diminished.

00:16:18.840 A hundred percent. Absolutely. Yeah. I, yeah, that drives me crazy. I hear a quick little story for

00:16:24.220 you, which I mean, they're like, obviously I was in the military for 20 years and you, and you,

00:16:29.440 you know, there's the, Oh, you're black. Oh, you're white. You're just this. You're just that.

00:16:33.420 Like just jokingly messing around. Right. So we went to, you can have those. Exactly. It's not

00:16:40.840 going to be like, Oh, you're, you're, you're that. No way I'm going to stay away. No, it's not like

00:16:44.600 that. And you know, there's a saying that we all bleed green and all that good stuff.

00:16:49.180 We went to, I got invited to go to the NFL draft, like up to New York when actually people could

00:16:53.660 actually go outside and not be scared of invisible things. Went up there and we got to go on stage.

00:16:59.040 So there was three seals that were invited through. So three of us were going to go up

00:17:03.120 there. One was an officer and there was myself. And then there was another guy who was enlisted

00:17:07.540 dude. And he was a black man. Nice guy. No, I knew him for a Solomon deployment a couple

00:17:12.980 of years ago. And, you know, we, we went out, you know, had dinner the night before just

00:17:17.960 everything's normal. And I, I don't really, I didn't really care. Cause one of us got to

00:17:23.020 go up there and actually announce the pick of who it was. So we got to do the NFL, uh,

00:17:29.660 headquarters, which is super cool to go see until they got a political and I'm watching

00:17:32.820 many more, but they, um, I, we were talking about like, Hey, who's going to go do it.

00:17:37.780 And I was like, I just got, I had to say one thing. If it's the Bengals, can I please, please

00:17:43.480 say, cause I was a huge Bengals fan. Uh, yes, they're actually from Ohio, right?

00:17:47.640 Yes. I'm from Cincinnati. So everyone, and my buddy was like, yeah, absolutely. He's

00:17:52.680 like, if I, if it's the bears, can I get the bears? I'm like, dude, I wouldn't want to

00:17:55.140 announce the bears if I had to, like, it's all you. We had this agreement. Right. And

00:18:00.780 I made friends with the vice president, uh, of NFL ops at the time, really good dude.

00:18:06.660 Uh, who was at time, Marvin Lewis was the head coach for Cincinnati Bengals. They were best

00:18:11.740 friends. I didn't know this. They went golfing all the time. He's like, Hey, I got you.

00:18:15.560 I think it was like the 83rd or 86th pick. He's like, it's the Bengals. I was like, yes.

00:18:19.720 Yes. So like being on stage to announce them and I was going to do it. And my buddy's like,

00:18:23.360 yeah, you got it. And the officer found out about this and he came up and he goes, Hey,

00:18:29.120 um, we're going to need, you know, so-and-so to announce. And I was like, well, we were just

00:18:35.100 talking about, it's not a big deal, but we like that. We already figured it out. Like not

00:18:38.300 knowing what was going on. And he goes, well, we kind of want a black person to represent

00:18:42.460 the community. And I was like, so many things went through my mind. One of them was taking

00:18:49.120 my fist to this dude's face. Um, and I was like, Roger that. Got it. Got it. Like I was,

00:18:55.220 I didn't want to make a scene. Like it was literally, we were about to walk out on stage.

00:18:57.900 So he got it. He could like, the dude took the, the, the envelope to, to, uh, say it.

00:19:04.280 And he kind of looked at me and I kind of looked at him and I was just like, do you see this

00:19:07.840 shit? Do you see that this is ridiculous? Like it's insane. So we went on it, but like,

00:19:14.460 there you go right there, man. It's everywhere. Like, so, I mean, you can take that what it

00:19:18.580 was. It's not a big deal, but it is a big deal. Cause it's, it's translates to other areas

00:19:23.340 of life. A hundred percent. I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? And it's like, what's

00:19:27.360 interesting though about that is that if you take in that situation, let's say this, this

00:19:32.720 friend of yours who happened to be a black man, how, I don't know, maybe he wasn't, but

00:19:37.480 how shitty would he feel if the reason that he got selected to do something was simply

00:19:40.940 because he's black or if you're a woman and, and you, you have a job opportunity and you

00:19:46.620 know, the reason that you got picked was because you're a woman and not because of your skillset.

00:19:51.860 How shitty would you feel? Or at least how shitty should you feel? I would think.

00:19:55.760 I would think pretty shitty, but I don't think, I think some people believe they're entitled

00:19:59.700 to it. I mean, I think there's that, uh, it comes down to the individual, you know,

00:20:04.520 some are like, man, this isn't right. And some probably turned, and there's probably tons

00:20:08.160 of them that turned down jobs because of that very reason. We just don't hear about it.

00:20:12.440 We hear about the ones where we hear about the ones, oh, they didn't hire them because,

00:20:16.660 because they were a girl or whatever it was. It's like, dude, it is so one-sided. My, my,

00:20:21.600 um, my woman went out with her friends last Thursday to a restaurant and it's, it's, uh,

00:20:28.060 here in Dallas. And she's, I was like, oh, wow, that's, that's cool. And she's like,

00:20:31.780 it's just girls. And I was like, oh, that'd be fun. What are you guys doing? And she's

00:20:34.100 like, oh, we're just going to a restaurant, but it's all female. It's like, totally females

00:20:37.040 are allowed to go in there. And I was thinking, I was like, that's interesting. I was like,

00:20:41.140 if I opened a restaurant, but men only were allowed to come in there, dude, I would have

00:20:47.260 picket signs wrapped around my building, people donning Malkoff cocktails. Like it would be

00:20:52.140 insane, but it's okay if the females do it, but not, but it's true. It is very,

00:20:58.040 true. It'd be sexist. It'd be, it'd be anything, everything, but it's what it's meant to be.

00:21:02.320 It's just like, no, just guys need a place to go freaking shoot the shit and hang out and relax.

00:21:06.980 But no, it's, oh, you're anti-woman has nothing to do with that.

00:21:10.240 Yeah. Well, when I hear that, I'm like, it is, it is okay for women to have a place where only

00:21:14.900 that is okay. I think that's a great thing. And it also is okay that there's a place where

00:21:19.900 men go and it's just the guys. And then we go do our things and we do whatever it is we,

00:21:25.260 we guys do. And then we come back and everything's good. You know, it's okay for both. Yeah. I think

00:21:30.580 a lot of people feel like excluded or left out. Um, you know, it's funny. I was at a sore next

00:21:38.460 winter strong, uh, this past weekend and we had this event. They were, it was a team, a team event

00:21:43.900 and they had like 10 team captains and then they just picked, you know, one, two, three,

00:21:49.320 and they picked teams until there's always the last guy. You remember that in school?

00:21:52.500 Oh yeah. Yeah. You never wanted to be the last guy. And there was the last guy. And I was looking

00:21:58.760 at, I was just watching him and I'm like, man, he probably feels really crappy right now.

00:22:03.040 And that is how we grew up where like, okay, so you don't want to feel crappy. Don't get picked

00:22:09.700 last next time. Like be better. Right. But, but now, and I'm using this as just an example,

00:22:14.680 but now it's like, Oh, well, you know, we don't want anybody to feel bad or to feel left out. I'm

00:22:20.440 like, yeah, neither do I. That's why they need to get better. But now we bubble wrap them and we

00:22:24.160 caught alone and say, Hey, no, we're not going to pick team. No, we can't pick teams. Cause then

00:22:28.560 somebody will feel bad. I actually think that there's a situation in life, many situations

00:22:33.280 in life where feeling bad is the right emotion. Like if you underperform, you should feel bad

00:22:39.740 about that. But society isn't. That's where your drive, your goals, how do I get better?

00:22:44.260 Come in. And now we're losing that. Now we're expecting everything to be handed to us or certain

00:22:49.100 generational people are expecting it to be handed to them. Do you think it's in the ass? I think,

00:22:55.480 I think there's, I mean, look, we talk about, we talk about millennials and Gen X or we talk about

00:23:01.940 all that, but then also, you know, you think about boomers, like they're very, they feel very

00:23:05.500 entitled as well. Like is it generational or is it just, I, I personally think it is just, I know when

00:23:15.680 going out, I, and maybe it's not, maybe it's just who you hang out with or you are who you hang out

00:23:20.600 with. Um, but yeah, I see a lot of like kids, my, or my kids and their friends expect certain

00:23:28.860 things, just the way they talk. And, and I've, and I've been here, I've done that where I've been

00:23:33.520 like, Oh yeah, sure. Here you go. You don't know why I said yes. It's because I don't want to hear

00:23:37.320 them fricking talk or whine anymore. I should be like, excuse me, excuse me. What, how'd you ask?

00:23:42.400 Uh, why do you get this? You don't get this because you didn't do X, Y, and Z. So I think

00:23:46.960 it kind of comes down to the parenting. And I think our parents might, at least for my parents,

00:23:51.960 they, they didn't give me what I wanted. I mean, I had to work. I remember going to the store all

00:23:56.800 the time. Oh, I want that. No, I want this. No. Like, you know, you asked me again, you're losing

00:24:02.780 this, all that stuff. But I think a lot of times we don't want people to be screaming or throwing

00:24:08.860 a fit in the thing. So we just kind of give them what they want. I've been guilty or, or

00:24:12.280 it's as simple as, Hey, put this iPad in your lap and fricking get zoomed in here. So you'll

00:24:16.740 shut up. So I, yeah, in a sense, cause you know, those kids probably be coming in. Can

00:24:21.420 I please set my iPad? Because remember the last, they're not saying this, but in their

00:24:24.420 mind, they're like, remember the last time I threw a fit and took the milk cart and chucked

00:24:27.380 it out of the fricking cart. So I think it's a little bit of both. I really do, dude. I mean,

00:24:33.660 look at, look at the temper tantrums that we see across the country. And I'm sure it's been

00:24:38.140 there every, every time, but it's, I don't, it's like we're the twilight zone, man. It

00:24:43.960 is insane. It's pretty wild. I don't want to work for my stuff because the government's

00:24:48.040 going to pay me this. Why would I work? I mean, it's really a good question though. Why would

00:24:50.780 you? So, but there's just like a drive. It's valid. It's like a drive. And it goes back

00:24:56.000 to your school system. What are we teaching our children about drive, honor, loyalty, courage,

00:25:01.920 integrity, getting out there and being motivated and be in that country that the better you

00:25:07.540 do, the better off you are. But we're, we're trying to suck certain people are trying to

00:25:12.500 suck that away. And it's like, Hey, we're all on the even, we're all on the even playing

00:25:16.300 field. Like, dude, that's what, where's the competition? Where is the competition? It's,

00:25:21.860 it's like gone. Like, so if you find like for my kids, if they're on a, we do a bunch of

00:25:29.660 different sports, but if they get like a medal and everyone's getting the medal, they'll be

00:25:34.320 like, Oh, I got a medal. Like, yeah, but you, you know, you lost it. They were just,

00:25:37.140 they give that to everyone. I'll literally tell them that and like, Hey, it's, it's okay.

00:25:40.780 You can get better ones and all that, like by working and doing well, working together

00:25:45.880 for yourself, your team, and you get, you know, better rewards. So it just, I think a

00:25:52.480 lot of people are like, Oh, that's great. You look at you. You got a medal, like rock

00:25:55.120 on. Okay. Let's not talk about this anymore. Let's move on. Instead of like sitting down

00:25:58.900 for like 30 seconds, explaining it, that that's participation medals or whatever you want

00:26:04.440 to call it. They don't go well. And it's not going to be good in life because it just adds

00:26:08.580 up. It just adds up. It just adds up. It just adds up. You know, it's, you bring up a really

00:26:13.300 good point that I think we should address a little deeper because when, when you're trying

00:26:17.740 to spare somebody, their feelings or make them feel special, I think more often than not,

00:26:25.480 what people are actually doing is sparing their own feelings. Cause like, if my children

00:26:29.480 don't succeed, like, I don't want to feel bad. Right. And so it's not actually, it's actually

00:26:35.600 very selfish because if it was selfless, I would have a very uncomfortable conversation

00:26:40.860 with my sons or my daughter and say, look, you didn't perform as well as you could.

00:26:45.440 And here's what you need to do. That's awkward and uncomfortable as a parent. So rather than

00:26:50.180 actually having that real conversation and being a real parent, we just put our arm around

00:26:54.980 them and say, you did a good job because we don't want to have the discomfort. It has

00:26:59.400 nothing to do with our children at all. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely some truth

00:27:02.740 in that one. And I guess that kind of comes down to us putting on the big boy pants and

00:27:07.620 there's a way to do it. There's a way to do it. You just did it without being a jerk

00:27:12.940 or making it feel like crap, which is obviously tactful is putting your arm around like, Hey,

00:27:17.240 you did a really awesome job, but I think that we have some goals and I'm going to work with

00:27:21.820 you and we're going to do this, this, and this, and we're going to destroy it next year

00:27:25.840 or next time we do whatever. I mean, there's a way to do it. I just don't think, I think just

00:27:31.700 from what I see from friends and just around is, or just in the store as I'm shopping is we just don't

00:27:40.340 put the effort in it. I just don't think we put the effort and I don't know if we just don't have

00:27:43.460 the right tools for it because in general, things are just kind of given to certain people or you get

00:27:48.840 it because you're this, I don't know, but yeah, we're lazy. We're fricking lazy.

00:27:54.940 It's easy to be lazy. And you know, frankly, there's no consequence to being lazy.

00:27:59.940 Like if you don't make your mortgage payment, then you know, you're, these laws are in place

00:28:04.840 to make sure you're there's extended, you know, mortgage payment relief. If you don't,

00:28:10.200 if you get, if you get laid off or you lose your job or you get fired, oh, well here you can have

00:28:16.200 unemployment benefits. If you have, you know, a rough time, the government will come in to swoop

00:28:21.820 up and save you. So there's actually no consequence to being lazy. If there were,

00:28:27.020 I think we'd see fewer lazy people because they'd be either getting their asses kicked or

00:28:31.620 they'd run the risk of losing their lives because they'd be out on the street and freezing and

00:28:36.240 everything else. So we were afforded the opportunity to be lazy and we actually have to put ourselves

00:28:42.320 into difficult situations voluntarily because nobody else is going to do it for us.

00:28:46.420 So, so where, where is that line or where does that happen? Where there's the, there's, you know,

00:28:52.380 there's a two type of people there. Uh, one's okay with being lazy and just kind of

00:28:56.660 chilling for a while. And then there's the person, like I would assume us that are like,

00:29:03.020 oh my gosh, let's like, let's, let's act. We got to do something. Like I'm resumes are going out.

00:29:09.660 I'm calling friends. I'm calling whatever I can, anything, even if it's a temporary job,

00:29:13.540 what do I do? Because I don't want to rely on the government, which is just, just even saying,

00:29:19.600 relying on the government. It's just like horrific to me. It scares me. That'd be a scary movie.

00:29:24.000 It's actually embarrassing. Like if I, if I was in that situation, I would be embarrassed.

00:29:29.680 And look, I know people are in crappy situations and things come up, but you should be,

00:29:35.220 you shouldn't want to be on government assistance. You should be embarrassed by that.

00:29:39.080 So you can get out of that situation and stand on your own two feet.

00:29:44.320 And I get that. There's certain things that pop up where you kind of, that's the only option. I get

00:29:48.800 it, but you should be working, being extremely proactive to get off that as soon as possible

00:29:53.260 and making things happen on your own. That's the way, I mean, that's what this country is about.

00:29:57.180 And people, I don't know if they don't understand that. I don't get it. They weren't taught that. I mean,

00:30:03.680 you just hear the things that are being sucked out of the public school system. And it's

00:30:07.300 disgusting and some things that are just ridiculously being added to it. So yeah.

00:30:13.420 What do you do with your kids? Do you, do you homeschool your kids or are they in the public

00:30:17.320 school system or what they're in the pub? I have one of my oldest daughter. She's in private school

00:30:22.380 right now, but it's, it's virtual. So that's probably not happening next year. If she can do

00:30:28.120 virtual, cause she'll be a senior. I think my son, I'm going to homeschool, start homeschooling next

00:30:33.520 year. I'm kind of debating on what to do. We'll see how much time that's going to take. Uh, because

00:30:37.720 it's a lot, like, I don't, I don't want someone else bringing in. I'd want to do it myself and I just

00:30:42.760 want to make sure I can find a good program. So we've been looking for programs, uh, to do that

00:30:47.220 because I, cause I have a full-time job too. And, um, but if it comes to certain things and we also

00:30:53.880 live in Texas at a certain good old boy area where they're not pushing, right. Please understand and

00:31:00.680 love transgenders or some kind of weird program. So we don't really have that. Um, but yeah, I

00:31:07.660 don't know, man. I really, after all this crap going on, like I heard they're taking out this

00:31:11.640 and this and this, uh, I don't know, but it's definitely, it's on the plate to pull the trigger

00:31:17.440 for homeschool. So, but then it's like, okay, am I, am I messing on my kids socially? The guy,

00:31:22.320 I mean, he goes to jujitsu. He's in extracurricular activities. So where, what, what is it? Cause I

00:31:27.080 I was always at a public school, never had a problem with it. So the Pledge of Allegiance

00:31:30.780 every day, uh, America was a big deal. Uh, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Kind of like

00:31:38.100 been talking to a lot of people. What do you guys think? Yeah. Well, you know, when I was a kid,

00:31:43.060 the homeschool kids were the weirdos, right? Like that's what I remember. I was like, there's the,

00:31:47.240 those kids, but, um, we actually homeskill our children and there it's been awesome. We've done it

00:31:54.500 for the past two years now. Yeah. And it's been incredible. And we look, we look for actively

00:32:01.460 look for opportunities to socialize our children with their peers. Just the other day, we had some

00:32:06.520 friends over and they had kids, my kids is age and they get plenty of social interaction. In fact,

00:32:12.380 I think they're more socially adjusted for real life than just dinking around on the schoolyard,

00:32:19.040 you know, with, with other kids who don't know anything about life and don't have good folks at

00:32:24.160 home. So if you're looking for a good program, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like people will say, well,

00:32:29.520 I want them to be adjusted to, to kids. And I'm like, well, I, I would rather have my kids.

00:32:37.520 You know? So, I mean, there's value to being with your peers, but there's, there's a great

00:32:42.900 program called, um, the good and the beautiful. That's the homeschool program that we use.

00:32:47.640 And I know, yeah, write it down. It's been a good program. Um, and then of course we interact

00:32:54.480 and do the social stuff, uh, just on our own. And then there's things that we do that aren't

00:32:59.380 necessarily included in the curriculum, like jujitsu or firearms training, the things that I know

00:33:05.040 you're probably doing as it is injected in there. Yep. Yeah. So is your whole, that's good. Okay.

00:33:11.460 So that helps. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. And if you have any questions, let me know. I know a lot

00:33:16.140 of people are doing that and it's becoming more viable as an option. Gotcha. I love it. Is your,

00:33:21.060 uh, your whole unafraid movement just to jump back to an earlier conversation that we're having. Is that

00:33:26.240 based on when you say unafraid, are you saying unafraid of speaking up? Like we were talking about

00:33:32.080 earlier. Are you saying developing the skills so that you aren't a scared, timid person? What,

00:33:37.440 what do you mean when you, with that movement? The, the unafraid happened. I was, are you familiar

00:33:43.720 with the band skillet? Uh, no, I don't think so. Okay. So they're, they're a Christian group,

00:33:48.280 but they're hard rock. They're actually checking them out. They're really good. And there's a, um,

00:33:53.160 there was a verse I was just driving along, you know, sometimes you just hear something. It's like,

00:33:56.500 whoa, that was, that was good. And the verse was, I am unafraid. Obviously it

00:34:01.900 sounded way better when they did it, but yeah, music is better. Yes. So that, that word just

00:34:07.980 like unafraid. And then I just kind of went down the rabbit hole and I'm like, unafraid,

00:34:11.900 like that is a problem of so many people. They're afraid of this. And it's not just speaking out.

00:34:17.700 It's not just speaking the truth. It's like standing up for your faith, standing up for your

00:34:22.160 kids, standing up for your family, trying new things, trying to go into, you know, putting in

00:34:27.900 that resume to a job that you don't think you're going to get, but you're not afraid to do it.

00:34:31.120 Cause the worst, the worst that's going to happen is they're going to say no, or they

00:34:34.320 could say yes. And your life changes. So it's just that basic, well, I mean, I got it tattooed

00:34:40.060 on my arm. Like it's, it just, it's, it's, it floats around my brain all the time. So I

00:34:45.580 started unafraid just off of my, off my website, just to sell some gear and just kind of to motivate

00:34:52.500 people. And then when like the whole COVID thing hit, you just see the fear in everyone's

00:34:58.460 eyes, like a fear of everything, which for a few weeks there, it was a little scary

00:35:02.740 because we had no clue what was going on. We're going to burst into bubbles and boils

00:35:07.080 and fricking blow up, you know, spontaneously. What was happening? No one knew what was happening.

00:35:12.060 And then I would say the smarter group would figure it out after a few weeks. Okay. What's

00:35:17.540 going on? Like, Oh, all of a sudden the flu's gone. You know, we just had this COVID. I broke

00:35:21.500 my arm. It's COVID. So it's like, you kind of see it for what it is, but people are scared

00:35:27.460 shitless. They don't, they don't, they don't understand like, Hey guys, we have an immune

00:35:31.360 system. Now that's not saying it takes care of everything, but you have to build it and

00:35:34.980 make it stronger, do the right thing, work out, supplement. If you need to, um, eat right.

00:35:41.960 Like all these things people aren't doing, cause all you hear, I mean, I forget one of the COVID

00:35:47.080 things. Sorry about this, but it's like, Hey, wash your hands, safe distance and wear

00:35:51.940 a mask. That's all you hear. You're not going to hear it. Don't eat at McDonald's and go

00:35:55.940 work out every day. Don't eat like a crap places, work out and fricking take supplementation

00:35:59.960 if you need it to boost your immune system during this time. What, what, what have you

00:36:04.980 ever heard that on a commercial or a TV? I haven't heard it ever. I heard from friends

00:36:08.900 that know what the hell they're talking about. Not the media. It's like healthy friends.

00:36:13.020 Right. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, and if they do get sick, it's like, boom,

00:36:17.240 it's gone. Um, and not to say that it's not real. People do suffer. Absolutely. We know

00:36:21.800 this, but I mean, they, they suffer from the flu, bronchitis, pneumonia, cancer, been going

00:36:25.740 down, uh, you know, eating a bunch of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, all that stuff. So

00:36:32.080 yeah, just the unafraid thing. And it's just kind of stuck with me. It's just something I

00:36:35.320 started pushing. And then I started a membership plan, which I'm been slacking on to just kind

00:36:41.040 of set it up. Cause I'm not ready to push it. And the whole thing was getting ready for

00:36:44.560 the books that are coming out. Um, cause we're going to do one on mindset. We have one coming.

00:36:50.420 It's kind of like my memoir. I think that'll be the first one coming out. And then we just

00:36:54.200 started another one on, on death. So we're getting a bunch of people that have in certain

00:37:00.040 jobs and certain organizations have taken out people and kind of, and kind of talk about

00:37:04.700 it. Like, Hey, what were you feeling? How did it feel? How do you feel now? And like,

00:37:08.460 what was going through your mind? What was going through your mind after? Like, do you have

00:37:11.260 any emotions? Like all those things from these different characters. And then, you know,

00:37:15.000 we're, uh, we're talking, we've been talking now for a mindset book. So, uh, books going

00:37:20.300 to be coming here, hopefully starting the summer. And then, uh, but that, but we started a membership

00:37:24.820 plan called the den and that's where people can go in there and they can be like, Hey guys,

00:37:27.880 I need motivation for whatever it is. And people can kind of feed into it. I have not,

00:37:32.440 I think I've done one post on it. Really don't push on it. There's like not a lot of members

00:37:37.620 on there at all. People really don't post anything, but I think it will. Once the books

00:37:41.220 get going for people, I guess, kind of, uh, I wouldn't say like, I hate saying the safe

00:37:44.740 place thing. I hate saying that, but, uh, people to go in there and be like, cause a lot of people

00:37:48.520 don't want to put their stuff out on social media. There's gotta be a different term. Cause it's

00:37:52.660 not, you're not talking when you say that you're not talking about like safe spaces, non-judgmental

00:37:58.380 space. Like we, or just like get motivation for, cause we've all been there. There's gotta be a

00:38:03.040 better term. Yes. Yeah. We don't want the sign with the hug. Yeah. So, so we have, we started

00:38:09.760 the den a while back and it's been, we just really haven't been pushed. We're just kind

00:38:13.500 of letting things go. And I think the book will push it up there just so people can post

00:38:17.200 their workouts, good readings that people can put up like, Hey, this book is awesome.

00:38:21.020 It's about this. I would totally check it out. Um, and Hey guys, I need help dropping 30 pounds

00:38:26.020 by this date. Any suggestions? And you can, there's a place to put meals up smoothies, um, just

00:38:31.940 so like faith-based stuff. We have all these different sections that you can go into. So

00:38:35.740 if you're, somebody is in there like, Hey, I just need faith-based stuff. They just go

00:38:38.740 into the faith-based and they can just get filled. So, um, we'll see what happens, especially

00:38:44.560 when you get crucified on media, uh, for posting anything. But I mean, I don't, I personally don't

00:38:50.800 mind. I don't care. I understand that's there. I actually laugh at it. Like my haters motivate

00:38:55.520 me. So thank you haters. I tell them all the time, Hey guys, what's going on? I love you

00:38:59.280 haters. A lot of people are afraid to talk about it, dude. Cause they're afraid to get

00:39:03.700 like destroyed. Yeah. That's sucks. Do you think we start bringing solutions to the table

00:39:10.280 by talking about it, by having conversations like this, by putting it out there? I kind

00:39:15.100 of tend to believe that's the case. Cause I've been talking with guys like you and successful

00:39:18.720 men for six years now. And I feel like the solution is let's talk about the things that

00:39:24.580 nobody else is talking about. Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's like address the elephant in the

00:39:30.260 room, right? We're going to talk about this or not. And people are afraid because they're

00:39:33.640 afraid to speak their opinion because they're afraid to get, cause people know that they

00:39:36.760 don't, they don't listen. They listen to respond. They don't listen to understand. Like

00:39:42.380 if you and I have a disagreement on, we'll just say race. Okay. Cause it's, it's out there

00:39:47.240 and you believe a, and I believe B I should be, we should both be at the position as adults

00:39:53.300 to hear your side and not be thinking, Oh, I can't wait to tell him this. I can't wait

00:39:57.620 to tell him this. You know, I just think, Hey, what response, right. What is this? What

00:40:01.300 does he, what does he have to say? What does he have to say? Cause I'm going to learn something

00:40:05.080 like I will learn something from you. And if you keep an open mind, you're going to learn

00:40:09.280 something from me. Like, it's not, I have the solution. You are wrong. It's, it's never like

00:40:14.360 that. And it's like, Hey, I got that compromise. It doesn't mean I'm, I'm here to change your

00:40:18.400 beliefs, but just, you know, see where I'm coming from. And like, do you get this? Cause

00:40:23.360 I mean, I've heard tons of people talk about race, sexuality, and, and I, and I, and I get

00:40:29.100 it. I get it. There was somebody, I just posted something, uh, I think it was like last week

00:40:33.800 or the week before about Washington state was going to start putting in, uh, classes for

00:40:39.000 children, kindergartners to talk about LGBTQ RF one, two, three, talk about those guys,

00:40:45.280 um, to kindergarten. I have a problem with that. I don't live in Washington, but that's,

00:40:51.160 you know, things can start and they can just kind of spread. And I'm not about that. So

00:40:55.660 I put something up and, and this, this dude puts, well, this transgender man, he's a woman

00:41:03.300 or a woman who thinks he's a man. Right. Right. Got it. Uh, posted something on there

00:41:08.200 and he goes, Eddie, I am a, I am a fricking Christian. I, I am very faith based. And I

00:41:15.160 do agree with you that this should not be pushed on young generation where they, because they're

00:41:19.400 so young. I can, I tell a kid, I can tell them like, you're a dog. I can tell them for

00:41:24.000 until they're blue in the face. They're going to start believing they're a dog. They're going

00:41:27.160 to start believing they're a dog. Like they're so young. Uh, they're young.

00:41:31.740 Exactly. Like it's, it's, I see a fricking commercial for a burger. Guess what? I want

00:41:39.140 a burger. Like it's, it's marketing, man. And, um, but he goes, or she goes, that's, you

00:41:47.800 know, what, what I choose and what I decide is between myself and God. And I was like, and

00:41:54.080 I can, I can only agree. I mean, I don't, I don't agree with that whole thing. I think

00:41:59.260 it's a serious mental issue or sickness or whatever. I'm not a doctor. Uh, but God doesn't

00:42:04.900 mess up. He doesn't, he does not mess up. So, but she, but she was right. Or he was

00:42:10.200 right. That, that, that is between them and God. It is because it has nothing to do with

00:42:13.780 me. It has everything to do with him. Just like I have issues and you do as well. And

00:42:16.940 every, all the audience does have issues. That is some of those things are between you

00:42:20.980 and God and no one else. And they're like, you just said, we should not be judging people.

00:42:24.060 Uh, but it doesn't mean I don't want you to shove your beliefs or whatever you think

00:42:28.200 down my, my throat or my children's throat. And I'll like, that will be my decision as

00:42:33.240 a parent. And then when they're 18 or out on their own, that'll be their decision to spread

00:42:38.040 their wings and fly away. So it was cool. Like to hear that. I mean, I, I don't, I don't,

00:42:44.440 I still don't believe it's right at all whatsoever. I don't, but I, but I get it. Just like I've

00:42:49.060 had seasons of my life where I've spent every day in a bar drinking. That's not right. I shouldn't

00:42:54.720 do that. That's not right. And there's probably people of the time saying, Eddie, can't be

00:42:59.700 going. I'm like, don't tell me my business. Like you have to get on my, you know what I

00:43:01.960 mean? Like those little parts of life, like, yeah, exactly. It's like, I get it. Like I've

00:43:08.840 had those things where like, just that's between me and I need to figure my crap out. Your, your,

00:43:13.580 your words aren't going to, you know, they're not necessarily going to help me. It might just

00:43:17.180 anger me more. So I get it. Like I get it. So it was just kind of nice. Well, yeah, that's the,

00:43:23.480 that's the point right there. So this individual who reached out to you and shared this, they shared

00:43:28.100 it from a mature thought process, right? And they actually unlocked a potential conversation.

00:43:34.280 I'll give you another example that I had just the other day. I said something about, I just don't

00:43:39.760 think systematic racism exists. I think there's been, there's been isolated events. I believe there's

00:43:46.260 also been systematic racism in the past that we've rooted out over the past 250 years.

00:43:52.100 And I had a gentleman reach out. I said this on the podcast. I had a gentleman reach out and he's

00:43:55.700 like, actually systematic racism exists. And I'm like, okay, well give me an example.

00:44:01.860 Like, don't just tell me it's everywhere. Give me a specific example of where systematic racism exists.

00:44:08.820 And I was like, okay, I got them, you know, that cause that's what we do. Right. Just like

00:44:13.180 you're talking about earlier. So he sends me this article and I'm like, oh shit. Like that's

00:44:17.860 actually a point that I didn't know about. And he was talking about, um, and I have to look into

00:44:23.080 it more cause I just saw actually this morning, he was talking about, uh, this article that had showed,

00:44:28.440 uh, different sentencing for different drug use and things like that, that affect the African

00:44:35.340 American community greater than, than they do with white people. I have to look into it more,

00:44:41.020 but when he sent it over, I was like, oh, and I was going to try to get him, but he didn't come

00:44:46.920 across that way. He's like here, you know, and he was very respectful and I still need to explore

00:44:51.580 that. But at least it opened my mind to the possibility because he wasn't being a complete

00:44:56.780 dick. Right. And I tried, I, at first I was, I'll be honest at first I was, but then he came back

00:45:02.940 and he was sharing these things maturely. And it opened up my response as a more mature response

00:45:08.960 than maybe in 99 other situations. It wouldn't have gone that way. So I think there's a, uh,

00:45:15.260 a responsibility that we have to be mature level-headed people. Part of the problem

00:45:20.600 is social media awards. You being an asshole, not being a mature individual.

00:45:25.360 Right. Right. Which is ridiculous. And it's, it's only, it goes back to it. I know you've heard

00:45:31.180 this as we're always a student, always a student can learn more things from, I mean, two minds are

00:45:37.040 better than one. I mean, my kids teach me stuff all the time. Like, Hey dad, you're being a jerk.

00:45:41.160 Okay. You're right. I'm sorry. Like, I mean, we just, we need to take other people's opinion

00:45:46.340 and, um, and understand it doesn't mean that they're going to change your opinion. We, we all grew up

00:45:51.280 in different ways, different environments, have different wounds. You know, you've been injured

00:45:55.580 by this, uh, you know, physically or emotionally, and I've got different ones, which is going to

00:46:00.480 form you to think this certain way. So I get it. Somebody that's from, you know, a great neighborhood

00:46:08.560 growing up is going to think differently than someone that's from like the slums or somewhere

00:46:12.840 not. They're going to, they're going to feel differently or been surrounded by gangs versus,

00:46:17.000 hey, I was with, uh, on the golf team and we always were at the country club. Yeah. We're

00:46:22.000 going to have different views. We're going to have different views. It doesn't make mine wrong.

00:46:25.820 And yours, right. It doesn't do that, but just like, Hey, let's see this. And we meet in the

00:46:29.260 middle and rock on me. Now we just made a friend and now we have more assets and things are better.

00:46:35.920 Then just to take a quick break from the conversation with Eddie, uh, I ask every single

00:46:40.600 new member of our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council, why they decided to band with us. And

00:46:45.700 overwhelmingly it boils down to accountability. Uh, this is just something that many men,

00:46:50.680 uh, seem to not be able to get in any other capacity of life, but inside the iron council,

00:46:57.140 we've developed systems and strategies for maximum accountability to other high achieving men. And

00:47:02.740 more importantly, accountability to yourself, cause that's really where it counts. Uh, and we found

00:47:07.240 that when a man learns how to harness this power, uh, he's able to be much more effective, uh, effective,

00:47:13.440 productive, and fulfilled as well in every other area of his life. Uh, and accountability fills

00:47:19.440 that void that many men experience in their lives. That's something I certainly experienced. Uh, so

00:47:23.920 if you're looking to harness this power of accountability in your life, then we would

00:47:27.420 invite you to join us in the iron council, which you can do at order of man.com slash iron council.

00:47:32.660 Again, that's order of man.com slash iron council. You can do that right after this conversation,

00:47:37.260 but for now we'll get back to it with Eddie. Well, and what I, what I also see is I see people

00:47:43.760 trying to compete to who has it worse. Like, Oh, well, you know, your situation, but my situation

00:47:50.140 was this, and it was like 10 times worse. And so we're trying to one-up ourselves on the victimhood

00:47:54.580 instead of saying, man, you know what? I've been through some crappy stuff. It sounds like you have

00:48:00.060 two different stuff, but I'm wondering if the way that you overcame, you know, drinking and some of the

00:48:05.000 things that I actually do want to talk with you about. I wonder if that could help me in my

00:48:08.980 situation rather than just trying to compete to outdo you with whose life was crappier when they

00:48:13.680 were growing up. Right. Why are we talking about that? You know what I mean? Like why? No, seriously,

00:48:20.280 man, I'm more of a victim here. That's a thing. That's, that's, that's, that's popular now who can be

00:48:25.960 the victim. If you're, if you're not, if you're straight, let me make sure I say this right. If you're

00:48:34.020 straight and not a person of color and whatever it is, and you have nothing, Christian, right. And

00:48:42.680 you, you can't blame anything on something. You can't claim victim. I mean, we, we could, we just

00:48:48.160 don't. I'm sure some do, but, but then you're, you're kind of, you're kind of, you're kind of

00:48:53.380 behind the game. Like, man, what do I, what can I complain about? I have nothing to complain about

00:48:57.260 according to society standards. It's ridiculous. You're human. I'm human. Doesn't matter what you look

00:49:02.580 like. It does not matter what you look like. It's how you carry yourself, how you act and how you

00:49:07.420 treat others. That's it. That's it. No one, no one's going to give a crap. I mean, like, Hey,

00:49:13.040 when we're sitting down and hanging out, we can talk about our childhood and man, this, that was

00:49:16.660 really screwed up. Yeah. Yeah. It's something similar. And you know, we just talk about it and

00:49:20.220 then we find a bonding moment and things are better, but no, we don't like to do that. You guys have no

00:49:24.820 clue. Like you have no clue how hard it was. Okay. What a great way to start off a conversation.

00:49:30.040 Yeah. Well, and you're right. Like I don't have any clue and I'm actually pretty glad that that's

00:49:37.660 the case. Like I don't want to, I don't want to be a victim. I'm glad that my mom did an amazing job

00:49:44.720 raising us. I'm glad that money was never an issue. I'm glad for all of those things. And now

00:49:49.440 because I was blessed with those opportunities, I feel like I have a moral obligation and responsibility

00:49:55.500 to at a minimum share what I know so that people who didn't have it as good as I did can maybe

00:50:01.620 utilize some of that information and improve them themselves and their own lives.

00:50:04.720 Right. And when you just said, your mom did a great job raising your, and all that good stuff.

00:50:09.120 If you were, had that victim mentality of like, man, my life was so hard.

00:50:14.340 Wouldn't you as a human being do everything you could to ensure your children don't, don't have it.

00:50:19.700 One would be start, stop, stop talking like a victim. Like I'm going to get out there. I'm

00:50:25.120 destroying. And there's tons of movies that are on that very thing where people are like enough of

00:50:30.320 this. I don't want to live like this. And they do great things and, and, and change the world.

00:50:34.720 Right. Like, why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you not change your ways and to ensure your

00:50:39.580 children don't have this, this victim mentality. People love it. They live in it. They feel sorry for me.

00:50:45.100 I want this. I want that. That's bullcrap. It should be cut off. Yeah. I know. But so here's

00:50:50.740 one of the thoughts I've been having lately and I hear what you're saying. And I used to say like

00:50:54.400 the exact same verbiage and, and, and felt the same way. And I've kind of felt like lately I've

00:51:00.120 been open to the idea that because these people who are in these positions that never had an influence,

00:51:06.520 like maybe you or I did that it's, it's definitely harder if you're not around people. Like it's easy

00:51:13.820 for me to say, well, like just be better. Cause everybody I grew up with from my mom to my coaches

00:51:19.680 to men I met in the military to mentors, everybody has talked to me that way. Everybody. So it's

00:51:27.560 easier for me to say, well, yeah, just be better because that's what everybody used to say to me

00:51:31.820 and it works. But it's hard when you don't have these, when you have people who don't have the same

00:51:37.160 types of influences. And again, that's why I go back to like, we have an obligation responsibility

00:51:42.920 to be an influential figure in people's lives because they may not have been exposed to this

00:51:48.960 information in any other capacity, in any other way. A hundred percent. I guess, I guess where's

00:51:56.400 that, where's that line of like, okay, you go find it. You being proactive and going to find it. Like

00:52:02.420 I'm going to go buy a motivational book. I'm going to go do this. I was, I was watching Thursday night,

00:52:10.260 like old strike force, you know, like UFC, but kind of a little bit one under. And it was a rerun

00:52:15.820 of 2010. And I had no clue about this. Um, Herschel Walker, you've heard of Herschel Walker.

00:52:20.980 Yeah, of course he, he fought. It was his debut fight. I had no clue. He was 47 years old.

00:52:26.300 So Herschel Walker, I don't know his whole story. I know a little, the dude's a bad-ass. He, he,

00:52:31.460 we know his accolades as an NFL player. Sure. U S Olympics, Bob said he taught himself to read and

00:52:36.980 write. And now he's doing a fricking fight, uh, at 47 years old. Why? Because he wanted to prove

00:52:43.740 something to himself. Like if you have to teach yourself to read and write, chances are, you

00:52:48.200 probably didn't have someone to influence you. Definitely. You would think he had to like find

00:52:53.620 that drive. I would, I'm sure he has a biography or something that, which I would love to read.

00:52:57.960 Cause he's an amazing individual. It sounds like. Um, but so what makes it different for him

00:53:03.940 than everyone else? Is that drive? Was there a life event that changed him? Like what, or do you

00:53:09.480 just say like, I don't want to live like this? Cause he, cause he was poor from what I understand.

00:53:13.960 Uh, but, but then he does all this stuff and he's 47 wants to do an MMA fight. It's, it's crazy.

00:53:21.100 I mean, it's, it's mind blowing. It's, it's inspiring. Um, and I, and I think he's doing stuff to where

00:53:28.080 he's reaching out to people and like, Hey, I, I, he's not, he's, he's the type of dude that gives back.

00:53:32.700 So, yeah, I, you bring up a good point and I, and I do believe there's a line. I think where

00:53:38.280 people get hung up is you have these individuals who paint themselves as a victim and actually may

00:53:43.780 have been victimized at some point in some capacity. And then they adopt this mindset that it's not

00:53:49.540 possible. That getting out of this position is not possible. That improving my life is not possible.

00:53:55.940 The getting in shape or getting a job or buying my hat, buying a house or buying a car or stopping

00:54:01.980 drug abuse or alcohol abuse. It's just not possible. But then you take a guy like, it sounds

00:54:07.620 like Herschel Walker. I think of David Goggins is another one who, who think to themselves,

00:54:13.560 Oh, you know what? Maybe it is possible. It's just going to be a different kind of hard for me

00:54:19.180 than it is for somebody like you or me. Yeah. It's a million dollar question right there. It's

00:54:25.760 like what separates, right? Yeah. What is it? I mean, what is it? Is I would like to, I would love

00:54:33.060 to know and sit down with these guys that we're mentioning and be like, Hey, was it, was there a

00:54:36.740 moment that made you change or is it just kind of like your own thought process, seeing how your life

00:54:42.540 wasn't like, Hey, this is, this is not what I want. Is it something that took time? I don't know.

00:54:47.360 I don't know. I mean, cause I I've been very fortunate and I've never really had to

00:54:51.600 suck it up. So to say like to, you know, growing up and scrounging for food from the table. It's

00:54:57.760 not like I was given everything at all, but, um, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't know,

00:55:02.120 but I know that you've been, you've been open and vocal in the past about overcoming, uh, substance

00:55:08.040 abuse and being in despair. I mean, I know you've gone through your military service and experienced

00:55:13.420 tremendous loss and hardship and turn to some vices that you have said aren't, aren't good

00:55:18.920 for you. What, what, what turned it around for you? What got you back on track?

00:55:23.780 Uh, number one was definitely, definitely finding my faith. I'll tell like, that's it. That was

00:55:29.900 my number one right there. And obviously being proactive, picking up certain books, listen to

00:55:36.060 certain podcasts, listen to fricking or audio books, um, getting into proactive, like good

00:55:43.420 things like sports, uh, stuff like that. If who I hang out with, that's a big one. I mean, that is

00:55:49.980 a huge one. If you're hanging out with a bunch of drug dealers, chances are you're going to be

00:55:54.240 selling drugs. You're hanging out with a chess team. Guess what? You're probably gonna be playing

00:55:57.960 chess. So I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty simple. Uh, but for me, it was definitely my faith in

00:56:02.820 Christ and just, I guess, accepting certain things that have happened in my military career and sort

00:56:09.800 of asking why, why, why, why, why, why, why this not me, or you know what I mean? Um, and I, and I,

00:56:17.480 I mean, it wasn't an overnight thing. I'll tell you that, but I still struggle once in a while,

00:56:20.700 but I know I have my accountability. I have my go-to when, you know, I'm feeling low or whatever it

00:56:26.640 is. And I, as I just go straight to, I mean, I go, I go straight to God and ever, and all of it.

00:56:32.100 And what's so funny is me even saying these words is I was the dude that if someone said what I

00:56:38.540 just said, I'd be like, wow, what a loser. Like that was me. That was me. I was like, dude, you,

00:56:44.820 that is fake. It's not real. There's no way. Um, and then I seeked them because I didn't know what

00:56:53.720 else to do. And I was tired of the bottle and those little things that come in those little orange

00:56:57.740 jars where you have to push down and twist off and take one and pop it. Um, I was, I was over it.

00:57:03.140 So that was it for me. And like, and it wasn't overnight, like, Oh, I'm perfect. I'm saved. Yay.

00:57:08.460 Like, I feel great. It wasn't that at all. I mean, it's a process. I'm still, like I said,

00:57:11.960 I'm still trying to get better and better and better and better. And I have bad days. I have bad

00:57:17.340 days. So do you. So does everyone else. And you're lying to yourself if you say you have it. Um, but it's just

00:57:22.160 like, okay, I know what this is. I know what this is. I got this. It's not a big deal. Look at the

00:57:26.440 bright side. That's why I'm always like positive mindset, positive mindset, positive mindset. And

00:57:31.160 people will be like, Oh, how do you always talk about positive mindset, put your negative, put

00:57:33.680 your negative, a bunch of negative stuff. I'm like, Hey guys, this is reality. This is what's

00:57:37.800 happening. This is, this is going on. So, you know, you got to take with what it is and, you know,

00:57:43.060 try to find that silver lining. And some of it's pretty bad. It's really bad, but, but you also

00:57:48.540 got to fight for the rights. And, um, I want to say to party because these boys get the beastie

00:57:54.500 boys. But yeah, but like you still got the fight continues. Like it's, it's, we are in a war,

00:57:59.860 you know, period. And we will be for the rest of our lives. So it's funny. Cause I'll hear a lot of

00:58:04.780 guys will talk about, Oh, Ryan, I'm sure you get this probably even more than I do. Guys will say,

00:58:08.960 Oh, you're fear mongering. I'm like, look, bro, like being positive and wanting to do good in the

00:58:13.920 world. Doesn't equate to burying your head in the sand. Correct. We we've got to be realistic

00:58:19.500 about the potential threats that we face as a nation, as individuals, things that we do to

00:58:25.000 ourselves. We can't bury our heads in the sand about it just because we want to be positive and

00:58:29.560 happy and everything to be blissfully ignorant. You know, that's what society does. They put their

00:58:35.300 head. Oh, it won't affect me until it does. And then it's too late. They got their head in the sand.

00:58:39.720 I did a post on that a couple of weeks ago with a bunch of dudes with their heads in the sand.

00:58:43.460 And like, they just don't want to deal with it because they're afraid. They're afraid to say

00:58:46.420 anything. And what also, they don't know what to do, but there's, there's a thing you can do.

00:58:50.080 You can Google something, call somebody, text someone and figure out, Hey, where to, where's,

00:58:54.460 where's step one, but they're, they don't do it. They're, they're so self-consumed and self-absorbed.

00:59:00.000 It's ridiculous that they just don't care. And then something affects them. And they're like,

00:59:05.140 how the hell did this happen? How did this happen? Well, it's because you've been putting it off the last four

00:59:09.060 years, not opening your damn mouth. Well, I'm just one person, Eddie. I'm just one person.

00:59:12.920 Okay. There is a lot of people and there are books and movies made out of one person,

00:59:19.720 open his mouth, Martin Luther King. If we want to go there. I mean, just, just certain people

00:59:24.360 throughout Jesus Christ, like you were talking about earlier, that made a freaking difference

00:59:29.280 by just open the step one, open their mouth. Okay. They got some traction and they're going and

00:59:34.720 they're going and they're going like, there's no excuse. There's no excuse. And it's not going

00:59:40.700 to happen overnight. That's the thing. People are going back to the laziness. They want to live in

00:59:44.620 their little comfort house. Well, so do I like, dude, I would love to just shut out everything

00:59:48.640 and just stay with my family. And people in my family have wanted me to do that. But I mean,

00:59:54.480 I just don't like as a man and as a fighter, not, not fighting just to fight, but as a fighter for

01:00:00.260 what I believe to be rights, uh, it's, it's not okay. Like we, we need to open our mouth and do

01:00:07.160 certain things. It reminds me of that, uh, that role. I can't remember. I think it was a Roman

01:00:12.060 philosopher or somebody who had said something about, you know, just, just give them bread,

01:00:16.180 bread and circuses. Right. And so that's what we're getting from the government and from the

01:00:21.560 media. Let me just, let me entertain you. Oh, that over there. Don't look at that. Close that

01:00:27.060 curtain. Let me hear, eat bread, have a stimulus check. Hey, we love you guys. We love you guys.

01:00:33.120 Here's $600. Yeah. Don't worry about everything that we've taken up to this point, but here's $600.

01:00:38.440 Shut up. But people, people believe like, Oh my God, this is so awesome. So awesome. And getting

01:00:43.820 money is awesome, but you're not seeing it for what it is. They're just shutting you up. They're

01:00:48.960 shutting you up. That's all they're doing. And it's, and it's, it's so sad. And it's like,

01:00:55.580 I love this country more than anything, but I tell you what, right now it needs a backhand across

01:01:02.140 the face for the people that are up in DC right now. Like, yeah. What do you see as being some of

01:01:06.880 either the biggest threats or where you see us progressing unless we start to open up and share

01:01:13.280 and be more realistic about some of these issues that you see? Uh, narrow that question down for me

01:01:20.020 or repeat it, please. Just so I don't go off on a tangent. Yeah. No, if, if, if we don't change the

01:01:26.380 trajectory that we're on, I know you have a security company. I know you're very aware of, of, of the

01:01:32.700 threats that we might face and being prepared. What are some of the threats that we might actually

01:01:37.120 realize if we don't change our trajectory? I think we're going to start losing certain freedoms.

01:01:42.920 I mean, we, we kind of already are. I mean, if you really want to take a step back and look at what

01:01:49.060 we, what's going on right now, and, and it was happening before COVID. Um, I mean, you, you need a,

01:01:55.480 you need certain things to go to certain places, which is great. It's, it is good for security,

01:02:01.780 which I'm a big security guy. Uh, but like the, the mask, right? Why do I need a mask?

01:02:07.800 If, if it's like the old, my body, my choice, right? It's okay for that, but not okay for this.

01:02:14.100 Oh, but you're going to infect other people. Well, if they're wearing a mask or if they're

01:02:17.660 afraid to be, then, then you stay home, you stay home. Or, or is it okay if I see somebody putting

01:02:23.280 a piece of pizza or a juicy burger in their mouth, am I allowed to walk up to them, slap that out of

01:02:28.680 their hand, be like, Hey, I care for your safety. I don't want you to die of a heart attack. Is that,

01:02:33.340 is that fair? No, of course not. I mean, should that be okay?

01:02:36.760 Really? I mean, I've, I've had people tell me all the time, you need to wear a mask,

01:02:39.940 you need to wear a mask. And I mean, I put them in their place. They don't do it. The next guy,

01:02:42.660 trust me. Um, but then I'll be looking in their shopping cart or what they're buying. I'm like,

01:02:47.080 and you care about safety, you care about health. Why don't you, I want you to look in that cart

01:02:49.560 right there. Um, and, and I like junk food, just like the next guy. Don't get me wrong. But, um,

01:02:54.940 some people's lifestyle is just ridiculous. And the reason why they are pro mask is because it's easy.

01:03:00.340 It goes back to the lazy, right? It's easy to put on a mask.

01:03:02.560 Well, it's easy. And it's a virtue thing. Like I'm wearing four masks. So I'm a better person

01:03:08.900 than you because you're wearing either none or one. So I'm better. I'm a better person than you

01:03:14.760 already. Right. It's, it's ridiculous. And then they just, now we're talking about the vaccines and

01:03:19.620 I'm pretty, I'm almost positive. It's going to happen where you need a vaccine to travel to this

01:03:24.720 place, this place, or this place. And, and I would understand that if we had time to develop

01:03:33.020 a good vaccine, we still don't even know what COVID is. If you want to listen to the CDC,

01:03:37.360 it's like a fricking circus. They don't even, they don't even know what's going on. It's

01:03:40.500 ridiculous. Right. Right. You know, like it took them how many months to say, okay, yeah,

01:03:44.180 now we need a mask. And now that we have masks, the hospitals are fricking crazy now. So clearly

01:03:49.820 the masks don't work. I mean, it's obvious. Um, so yeah, I don't know that we got, so I

01:03:56.860 think freedoms are going to go. I think guns are going to be coming up to turn this in with

01:04:01.820 certain people that are in the white house, not elected by the people, by the way, not

01:04:05.100 elected by the people, but put in by the government, which is fricking crap. I mean, uh, I don't,

01:04:09.900 I don't know. I'm not trying to go down to conspiracy, but sorry. I can sometimes conspiracy

01:04:13.180 is truth of the deep state. Did you see that new, uh, times article that came out about,

01:04:17.960 I can't remember the term they used. Uh, it wasn't. Oh, yeah. Fortified. Yes. That's it.

01:04:24.180 Yes. Yes, man. If that doesn't call into question, I mean, I know a lot of people are

01:04:29.000 questioning as it is, but if that doesn't call into question some other things for people who

01:04:33.180 weren't questioning before, I don't know what will. Yeah. People I've heard people say like,

01:04:38.180 there's no way you could coordinate all this throughout the country to do this and that.

01:04:42.920 And I'm like, yeah, you could, you could, you could easily do it. Cause we're only dealing

01:04:48.100 with six States and probably only a couple of places. We put all your efforts to, to make what

01:04:53.460 happened happened. So yeah, it's just, it makes, it makes no sense. And I mean, if you look at like

01:04:59.200 the impeachment stuff over a year ago, and then that wasn't seem to be working too well. And then

01:05:04.560 COVID kind of sneaks its way in, lock down the world, make it feel like it's Trump's fault. It's

01:05:09.060 Trump's fault. It's Trump's fault. Okay. Trump said, take off your damn mask, go back to work a

01:05:12.760 long time ago. And certain States said, stay locked down. So, but people don't know that they

01:05:20.660 think Trump was keep, they don't know that they just don't know. Like they don't know about a lot

01:05:25.620 of things. Why? Because the media says what they want, whoever they're for, which we know who they

01:05:30.180 are. Um, so yeah, I, I dude, freedoms are just going to get stripped away and they're going to be

01:05:35.120 very small, small, small, small. And I mean, you're seeing it, you know, we can, small businesses

01:05:43.180 get shut down, but these Walmarts and target can stay open forever. Um, if, if it was that bad,

01:05:50.900 if it was that bad, everything would shut down and everything would shut down. But if it was really

01:05:54.700 that bad, every little cashier and bagger would be dead. And our so-called leadership would not be

01:06:01.800 walking around going against the very things that they're putting out, like being locked down,

01:06:06.720 stay home, make sure you're always wearing a mask. Do not go get your hair done. Like don't be in big

01:06:11.680 parties. Like, okay. They, they know what's going on. Like how blind are you? So yeah, it's very

01:06:18.640 blind. Yeah, completely. And look, I know we're, we're saying, and I've said this to you, it's like,

01:06:24.540 how can you not see this? But also there's probably a lot of things that I don't see either that I'm

01:06:29.760 ignorant too, because we're so easily manipulated and controlled. Like we are so easily. Well,

01:06:35.980 you talked about earlier when you see a commercial for a burger or everybody who just watched the

01:06:40.840 Superbowl yesterday saw the millions and millions of dollars they spent on advertising. Why would a

01:06:46.180 company spend millions of dollars, literally millions of dollars to get 60 seconds of your time?

01:06:52.160 Cause they know you're going to buy some Doritos. If you listen to them for a couple of minutes.

01:06:56.000 Absolutely. Absolutely. They're not, it's marketing. It is all marketing.

01:07:01.800 I mean, I'm not even a marketer, but come on. Like, how do you, how do you not, how do you not

01:07:07.820 see this? But people believe the news, like it's gospel. They don't really get it because they don't,

01:07:13.180 they take it to face value. You don't look and see who that author was or who published this and

01:07:18.280 see what other works they know. They, people won't do that. They won't dig in to see exactly who this

01:07:22.540 person is because yeah, they, the media, screw the media real quick. Is it used to be like,

01:07:29.920 they give you facts. They, they, they get them. They weren't all facts. They did their best to

01:07:33.860 give you facts from what I believe. They give you facts, right? Report the data. And it's up to you

01:07:39.020 to form your opinion, how your emotions, feelings react to that. And it's up to you. Now they switch

01:07:44.780 it all around. Like you should be feeling like this because of this, but they didn't show you

01:07:49.540 George Floyd, for example, we just saw one clip of video for the longest time. Remember that?

01:07:56.000 And then we saw another clip probably about a month or two after that showed something totally

01:08:01.520 different. So it's just, it's just like that, dude. It's like, they should be held accountable.

01:08:05.660 They should be fined or ripped off the station. But then again, the people that are in power have

01:08:10.980 the money and keep them on there. So it's or, or, or, and, and I don't, I don't know. They should

01:08:17.760 be ripped off the air necessarily. They, we need to do a better job of seeing things for what they

01:08:22.780 are. So for example, I had a guy, uh, messaged me the other day on Instagram and he's like, Hey,

01:08:27.180 you were talking about this one thing. And he's like, that's just your opinion. And I said,

01:08:30.440 that's exactly right. That's just my opinion. I trust that you can decide based on the

01:08:37.840 information I share, my opinion, my perspective, and my guest opinion, your, your perspective

01:08:42.280 that you can then take that information and lump it together with the other information.

01:08:47.340 And then you as the individual can make your own decisions. But that's the problem. We as

01:08:53.200 individuals are not making our own decisions. We're looking at CNN or Fox or MSN or whatever it

01:08:58.620 is. And we're saying, Oh, there, good laziness. Right. Like I said earlier, they made the decision

01:09:03.620 for me. Trump's bad. Biden's good. BLM's good. Transgenderism is true. You know, is, is objective,

01:09:11.000 you know, science. Good. I don't have to think about it. And then you just wash your hands and

01:09:15.320 go on about your life and continue to bury your head in the sand.

01:09:18.040 Happens all the time. I'll throw up an article or just like, I'll do a screenshot. Um, cause I like

01:09:23.000 to stay private so I can't put the links up anymore. So I'll just throw up the screenshot of the

01:09:26.900 article and say who it's from with the title of the article. And people will be like, Oh,

01:09:32.120 where's the source of this? Yeah. Okay. Say type in this into Google and it'll give you a bunch of

01:09:39.320 articles and there you can go. It's like, yeah, I'm working for you. I want to type out. I'm

01:09:44.240 working for you. I have nothing to do today. What do you want to talk about? Let's, let's, let's,

01:09:47.980 let's figure this article out for you. Not only am I, I'm working for you. Not only that,

01:09:52.540 but I'm doing it for free just out of the goodness of my heart. It's crazy. I really want you to have a

01:09:57.120 great opinion. And no, you just like, dude, do your own research, man. If I get an article,

01:10:02.720 if I see an article, I type it in, I see what other articles. And if I start seeing New York

01:10:07.560 times, LA time watching the post, I'm like, okay, let's try to get a little bit deeper here

01:10:11.600 and try to do like off time to figure out what's going on. And I shouldn't have to do that. I should

01:10:16.660 not have to do that. Like it should be, and I'm not saying every article they put out bogus,

01:10:20.700 but, um, the opinions or, or whatever, the way they word it to make certain people look bad or

01:10:26.520 good. And that's just, yeah, I just, I think it just takes a little bit of, um, just discernment.

01:10:33.680 You know, you read an article and it's just discern. Okay. Who wrote this? Why did they write it?

01:10:39.020 What's their objective? What words are they using? You know, and it's not kids in cages anymore. It's

01:10:44.420 what was the term? Yeah. It was like, like children in temporary holding facilities. And

01:10:52.680 then they went from tent cities to holding centers with soft sides or something like just crazy stuff

01:10:59.060 like this. I'm like, Oh my goodness. It's getting ridiculous out there. It is buddy. It is. Well,

01:11:04.560 Eddie, I appreciate you, man. I know. Um, I know what you're doing is good. I, even, even on things that

01:11:09.760 I don't fully agree with you on, and there are things, uh, I, I value the fact that you're putting

01:11:14.680 it out there and you're putting it out in an, in your face way that isn't totally comfortable.

01:11:20.700 And that's actually the point. And I think that's what makes it valuable is that you can challenge

01:11:25.600 your own thoughts. You can challenge your own perspective and your own belief. And I think

01:11:30.520 sometimes it takes, like you were saying earlier, a backhand across the face to say, think about it this

01:11:35.380 way for just a minute. Maybe it's right. Maybe it's wrong, but just think about it like this for a

01:11:39.740 minute. And I think that rounds out our perspective. So I really appreciate the work you do and the

01:11:43.420 message you put out. You as well, buddy. It was a good conversation. Definitely good to talk about,

01:11:48.080 uh, real things. So, well, well, um, how do we connect with you? Learn more about what you're

01:11:53.780 doing? I know the book's going to be coming out. It sounds like maybe this summer. How do we get

01:11:57.880 connected with you? Uh, probably the best ones, Instagram, Eddie dot penny on there. That's probably

01:12:02.960 where I post most of it. The biggest following, I usually try to keep Facebook more family orientated,

01:12:08.400 kind of just closer friends. Uh, so don't send requests. You will answer them if you do that.

01:12:15.180 That's probably, that's probably it. And then obviously a company, www.contentiongroup.com for

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01:12:42.180 uh, constantly. So it's a good, it's really good. People really enjoy it.

01:12:48.000 Right on. We'll sync it all up. All of this stuff is very important, including the,

01:12:51.180 the planning and the preparation and everything that you need to do for things when, you know,

01:12:55.080 they will go South and inevitably it's just a matter of when it was. So

01:12:58.340 we've just seen it. Yeah. All right, brother. Well, I appreciate you. Thanks for joining me

01:13:02.760 again. When the book comes out, let me know, and we'll get you back on to talk about that too.

01:13:06.240 All right, my friend. I appreciate it. Thanks brother. All right, buddy. Be safe.

01:13:11.160 Gentlemen, there you go. The one and only Eddie Penny. I hope you enjoyed that one.

01:13:15.680 Uh, it's my hope that you walk away with some information. It's going to help you lead your

01:13:18.480 family and your people more effectively because you know, as well as I do that in dire and strange

01:13:23.880 and difficult and scary times, uh, people can act erratically emotionally, and it doesn't serve

01:13:30.840 them. And it is a part of our job is meant to serve these people that we are called to serve

01:13:35.480 effectively, that we have the capability of doing so. Uh, and that we, uh, we honor them

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Order of Man - February 23, 2021

EDDIE PENNEY ｜ Living Unafraid

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