ELI CRANE ｜ Power vs. Principle
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Eli Crane is a former Navy SEAL who served with SEAL Team 3 and served five wartime deployments. He is now running for Congress in AZ as an independent candidate. In this episode, Eli talks about why it s crucial that men have at least some interest in politics, how courage in you breeds courage in others, the collapse of some of our most predominant social institutions, and the need for principle over power in our elected officials.
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It seems like it's political month around here, but with the midterms coming up, I think it's
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important that we discuss some of these crucial political topics that impact us, our families,
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and our communities so much. Today, I'm joined by former Navy SEAL and congressional candidate,
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Eli Crane, to talk about why it's crucial men have at least some interest in politics,
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how courage in you breeds courage in others, the collapse of some of our most predominant
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social institutions, the concept of ideological subversion, and the need for principle over
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power in our elected officials. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace
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your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time,
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every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life.
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This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,
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Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I'm the host. I'm also the founder
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of the Order of Man podcast and movement. Welcome here today. Welcome back. Glad you're joining us.
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Glad you're with us. Glad you're banded in this movement to reclaim and restore masculinity in the
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society that continues to move away from it, which is the root of a lot of our problems. So what we do
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here is we interview incredible men, guys who are successful on all sorts of different fronts,
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extract some of their knowledge and wisdom and lessons and everything else, and then deliver
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that to you and me. Hopefully we can take some of this information and apply it in our own lives.
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That's my goal, my hope, and my desire. So we're going to get into it in a minute with Eli here.
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All right, guys, let's get to it with Eli. He's a former Navy SEAL. He served with SEAL Team 3 and has
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five wartime deployments serving for over 13 years. He's also the founder of Bottle Breacher,
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which he has since sold, which is a company founded on giving back to veterans nationwide.
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So he clearly, clearly understands firsthand the challenges that so many small businesses have
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and is now using that knowledge to serve the country again as a congressional candidate in
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Arizona. Eli is a faith-oriented famine man, and he's unafraid to take on cancel culture and
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the radical ideology that has permeated much of society. Enjoy this one, gents.
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Eli, what's up, man? Thanks for joining me on the podcast today.
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Hey, thanks for having me, brother. I appreciate it.
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Yeah, you bet. You got a good name. So that's a mark in your favor. That's actually my son's name
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is Elijah. So there you go, man. My mom gave me and my brothers all biblical names, Zachary,
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Elijah, and Gabriel, man. Oh, is that right? Awesome. Awesome. Well, hey, I know you're
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running for Congress. It's always fascinating to talk with somebody who actually wants to step
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into that arena. Quite honestly, I can see the appeal a bit, but also I see some of the negativity
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or the downsides of it. And I'm always very curious what compels somebody to go that route.
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Yeah, well, I can't say that I saw the appeal. I would say I saw the need. This isn't something
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that I ever really wanted to do or I enjoy doing that much, but I do believe we're at a pretty
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critical time in this country's history right now. And I wanted to, instead of continue to
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complain about it, try and do something about it. And so that's led me here.
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How much do you think one person in Congress can make a difference? I mean, and I'm trying to ask
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that respectfully. Like, I'm not asking that tongue in cheek. I'm genuinely asking what one person can do
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in this position when it seems to me that the powers that be are going to continue to control
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regardless of who's elected here or there. Right. And that's a very fair question. When you
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look at the size of Congress, it's 435 people, right? And then you look at how many are in the
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Senate, that's another hundred. And then obviously you have the executive branch as well. And so,
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you know, there is some wisdom to asking that question. How much can you actually do when there's,
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you know, over 500 people that have to all kind of be on the same page to
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get anything done? But, um, I would also, I would also say just to give you an idea right now,
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Ryan, um, Nancy Pelosi right now has a plus five majority on Capitol Hill. She, she only has power
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by five people. So let's say, you know, you're a part of flipping that back, um, away from her control,
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you know, taking one of those five seats away, um, from the other side, you know, you can stop
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a lot of the agenda that in my opinion right now is destroying this country. And so, um, and if it
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wasn't important and if people, the power players of this world, not only our country, but the globe
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didn't understand the importance of it, you wouldn't see millions of dollars pour into each and every one
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of these races. And so to your point, um, you know, it's, it is tough to get something done just
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as one Congressman, but, you know, many of us have seen in business and in our families and on the
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battlefield that, um, fear is contagious, but so is courage, you know, and sometimes, you know,
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sometimes, uh, things are going a certain way because nobody's willing to step up and, you know,
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be a voice of courage and hold others accountable. Um, and, uh, you know, that business as usual
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just continues. And so, um, I don't know how much I'll be able to, uh, affect change. I'm not the
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type of guy that will come in and act like a lot of candidates who will tell you, Oh, we're going to,
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I'm going to, I'm going to shore up the border and I'm going to get this economy back in shape.
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And they make a bunch of promises that there's no way they could ever keep.
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But what I will do is, uh, I will hold to my principles and I will hold, um, to the America
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first agenda and use my voice and my platform and my vote, um, in that manner. And so that's
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all I can do. But, you know, as a dad, Ryan, as somebody that has little girls, I've got a 15 year
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old now and an 11 year old, I want to make sure I want to do everything I can to make sure that they
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grow up with the same level of freedom and opportunity that you and I did. And if I can't
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look them in the face in 10 or 15 years and say, Hey, your dad tried to me, that's, that's unsat.
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That is just unsat. And it's not, it's not a life that I'm willing. It's not a life that I'm willing
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to live. And, you know, it's interesting because your podcast is called the order of men, right?
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Okay. Well, I think that's what real men do. I think real men are willing to sacrifice
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for their families and do stuff often that they don't even want to do because for the greater good.
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And so for me, this is a perfect example of doing a bunch of stuff that I don't want to do
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that I don't like doing. Um, but I know that there there's a possibility of, uh, affecting some
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of the change that I want to see for the future of my, my kids and for future generations.
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Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree with that. One, one of the biggest concerns I've had is,
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is that it seems to me, and I don't, I I'm very interested to see what you think that when,
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when the liberal side of the aisle is in power, they do a phenomenal job playing offense. Like
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forget about, forget about the policy, but they do a great job playing offense. And when they're not
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in power, they do a great job playing defense and even offense when they're not in power.
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The, the part that I take issue with is that when conservatives are not in power,
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they do really, really well with the offense. And then when they get into power,
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all they do is play defense. It's like, what, what in the world is going on here? Like when
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conservatives have power, they don't wield that power correctly or effectively. I'm curious if
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you believe that, or you think that, or you see it differently.
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No, I absolutely believe that. And I, and I agree with it. And I think that I could be wrong,
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but I think, um, the way I'm seeing things play out, I think that you're going to see more of the
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same. And what do I mean by that? Um, well, right now I believe that there's kind of a,
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a schism or a fraction in the, uh, Republican party. I think you have, uh, America first candidates
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like myself. Um, and then you have, you know, your more moderate establishment, um, members or,
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you know, candidates. And so, um, there is kind of a divergence of ideology there. And when you have
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that, um, you know, you get people that have different agendas that are voting on different
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things. And one thing to your point is, um, the left on the other hand, whether, whether they come in,
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whether they campaign or whether they personally have different beliefs or principles, they all
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vote in lockstep. So they're much better, um, in my opinion, at moving the ball forward on their
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side. And I believe it's been very destructive to this country, but to your point, they are better
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at doing that than we are. Why, why do you think that's the case? Why, why? I mean, yes, the lockstep
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I think is, is, is there for sure, but why do you think they're the, on that left side of the aisle?
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It's just, it's just more offense than, than the right side of the aisle. I don't, I don't
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understand it. I don't get it. Maybe it's this whole concept of, you know, playing fair or playing
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by the rules or, or trying to be, you know, the higher, take the higher ground that makes people
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maybe even a little too soft. Yeah. Well, you know, I could be wrong here, but if I, if I had to
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take a shot at it, I would say that the ultimate goal on that side of the aisle, it's not, it's not
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principle. It's not policy, it's power. And when your goal is power and your leaders, that's what
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the goal of the leaders, you know, have it's, it's easier to put aside, you know, petty squabbles or
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differences of opinions and say, Hey, look, this is the best chance that we have to stay in power.
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So this is what we're going to do now, if you're on the, you know, if, if you're, if you belong to
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a party that tries to vote principle and, and it's not about staying in power or it is less often
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because it, that happens on both sides of the aisle. But I think that's why you see on the left,
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um, there, there, they do a better job at, uh, you know, voting in lockstep because it's,
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it's about power. And I mean, you can look at some of the positions that the leadership on the
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left has taken in the past and where they're at policy wise. Um, you know, now, um, you know,
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a lot of this stuff that's fueling the democratic party right now is it's radical ideologies, right?
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You've got socialism in there, you've got communism in there, Marxism. And I know for me, maybe even many
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of your viewers are like, Eli, what are you talking about? That sounds extravagant. It sounds
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like you're trying to be, you know, uh, like, like, like you're trying to be, uh, like you're
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exaggerating and I'm, and I'm not at all. And matter of fact, you can look at the last couple
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of presidential elections. Um, Bernie Sanders is an avowed socialist. I mean, that's not even
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arguable. Okay. And he, you can argue that he's come in, you know, within the top four, the last
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two presidential cycles. Okay. Most of these, like, if you, if you go back 20 years and look at
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Joe Biden's position on socialism, Nancy Pelosi's position on socialism, Chuck Schumer's position on
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socialism, they would have all disavowed it, um, you know, decades ago, but, and they would have
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disavowed a lot of the stuff that they're now promoting, um, decades ago, but to stay in power
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because they feel that's where the winds of, you know, power are shifting. They'll take a different,
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um, contradictory position now because it's not about issue or principle. It's about staying
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in power. And, and that's why I would argue they do a better job because, um, they're motivated by
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something completely different than we are. So then is any, uh, I don't even know. Let me,
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let me take that in a different direction. If you say that that's, they're doing a better job
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at, at, at pushing their agenda forward because their motive is different, which is power. Like
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you're saying over principle, like how do you take some of the same ability to fight and, and win
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frankly, and push forward the correct motive of principle and truly caring about the American people
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and freedom and Liberty and these sorts of things. Like where, what, where's the line if, if you will.
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Well, I think for, for us, what, what we do is, um, we lead by example, right? I'm a guy that never
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wanted to be in politics. I was in special forces. And then I, then I went into the business world,
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but I recognized what was going on and all I can do is lead by principle and try and come on,
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you know, whatever show it is and just be off, off, you know, um, transparent and authentic.
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What God, I can't authentic. Yeah. Authentic. My, my, my brain didn't, wasn't connecting there,
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but yeah, I mean, that's all that, that, that's really all I can do. And then, you know, take the
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skills and from entrepreneurship and special forces where you learn that you're nothing by yourself
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and you got to build a team around you and then try and start building that team, um, on the political
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side of the aisle and start building that team and that culture within my, you know, within my family
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first. And then, you know, my, my community outside of that and help people wake up to the
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fact that if we don't, um, if we don't pull our heads out as Americans, we're going to lose this
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country. And, uh, you know, and I know not everybody believes that I know everybody, there's a lot of
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people out there that think this is the United States of America and it's just going to go on
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forever. But I personally believe that, um, just like most empires have collapsed around the 250 year,
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300 year mark, even that that's very possible in the United States of America, because even this
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great system can only endure so much corruption, debt, greed, stupidity, foolishness, and wickedness.
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And so, um, it, it, for me, it comes down to, um, you know, taking a big problem and trying to make
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it small and asking, okay, Ryan, what can I do? What can I do? And I think, I think when you get
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enough people, you know, Hey, Hey, Ryan, you might have way better skills at something that I do.
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Um, and I'm not going to try and be like you, I'm going to try and be the best me that I'm going to
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try and take the skills, talents, and abilities that God gave me and try and, you know, put my
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shoulder to the wheel with those and see if I can make an impact with what I've been given. I'm not
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going to try and be like Ryan, because I know you've been given skills that I haven't been, but every
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single one of us has to do that. And like courage breeds courage, activism, I think breeds activism.
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And so, um, either that's what I'm trying to do in my small little, my, my small little way is just, um,
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What is a guy who even like myself, you know, I'm, I'm not interested in, in politics myself.
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And I know there's plenty of guys who are listening in that feel the same way. Uh, what,
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what do you suggest with guys like those? I mean, obviously, yeah, vote, you know, try,
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try to try to share a message, but are the other things that these men can, can, and should be
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doing to help reclaim this country and keep it on the right track or, or get it back on the right
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track and then keep it there. Yeah. Well, first I'd start by saying, Hey, you may not be interested
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in politics or the nature of it, but you're probably interested in, you know, um, how much
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you pay at the gas pump, how much you definitely groceries, how much you're paying for real estate,
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um, whether or not your kids go to school and are judged on the content of their character and not
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the color of their skin or their gender, whether they're being taught some radical ideology in school,
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et cetera. So, you know, you guys might not be, uh, you know, it might not be politics might not do
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it for you, but what I'm, what I'm talking about is one of the reasons we're in this spot is because
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guys who have, who are smart, capable and talented have, have, haven't been interested and they've
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been checked out. And here's the deal. When you have a country that's of, by, and for the people,
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if those people are checked out, that creates a power vacuum and that power vacuum is filled with
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something. And you're seeing what it's filled with right now and it's not healthy. And that's what
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creates a lot of the chaos that you see. And so, you know, maybe I'll pitch it to you that way and
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say, Hey, you might not like the, you know, watching, you know, PBS or watching people, you
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know, uh, watching, you know, the new, the nightly news. I half the time, I don't even like it. All I'm
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saying is, is that if you have a country that's up by and for the people and those people who I would
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consider the sheepdogs and the guys that know better and, and the guys that, you know, love
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their families, love community, love the country are checked out. What fills that vacuum? And you're
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seeing it right now. Yeah. And so I, uh, yes, a hundred percent agree, but again, you're not going
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to get everybody in, in politics, but there are people who like, like I've heard people say, I'm not
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interested in politics, but politics is certainly interested in you, right? Absolutely. And it
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affects, it affects, it affects your life. And it's, it's one of many verticals that affects your
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life, but I do think it's an important one and it's often a pretty nasty one. And I think that's
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another reason that, you know, people, you know, uh, I think as human beings, we avoid conflict. We
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don't like conflict in many ways. I'm the same way, but I, I understand what comes on the backside or
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what the by-product of, um, poor politics and poor policy is and, and it affects our lives.
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And so if that's, if that's where the, if that's where the fight is, you know, that's where I'm
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headed. Yeah. One, one thing I've, I've had issue with is I, I listened to the political pundits and
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the talking heads from time to time. And I realized I need to turn some of that off because I, I tend to
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become very cynical of, of what's going on. And I think, I think there is a lot to be cynical about
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but also I think it begins to taint or erode or undermine what, what positive or what good could
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actually be done from being involved. And it's like all or nothing, you know, because I get so
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cynical, I'm like, Oh man, I got to turn the news off. And you hear that all the time. It's like,
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just turn the TV off, just turn the podcast off and just focus on your life. And I understand the
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sentiment, but it's not a good way to engage, especially because we are experiencing the
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real world ramifications of policy. That's not conducive to our, to our best interests.
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No, I hear you. I've even gone through phases myself where, you know, I'll, I'll turn it off
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and check out for a while. And I know I have a lot of friends that have done the same thing. And I
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totally understand why it doesn't make, it doesn't make you feel good. Um, it does make,
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it does make you cynical and, uh, you know, it is tough to stay engaged, um, you know, in a fight.
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And I, I remember, you know, some of my deployments overseas where, you know, I mean, we, we'd be
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there for six months and I remember, uh, just how frustrated you would get sometimes, um, you know,
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with what was going on, um, the op tempo, um, whether or not we felt like we were successful or not,
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some of the politics that, you know, even came into warfare and, um, one guy's just getting
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burned out at a certain, at a certain point in the deployment, you could tell, you know,
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you could tell when they did. Um, and so I've seen it not only in, um, culture, but I've seen it in,
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in warfare as well. And, and I think it is important to have like a, that that's why I think
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it's important to stay balanced in your life to where it's not, you know, 24, seven politics,
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Fox news, CNN, whatever your, you know, whatever your, you know, flavor is, but, uh, making sure
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that you're living a balanced life, you know, trying to, uh, you know, take time to, you know,
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get a workout in for me, you know, my faith is really important to me. Um, trying to make sure
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that I get that, you know, get that in as well. And then, you know, get family time in as well. And,
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you know, some time with my friends and, you know, just live a balanced life, but don't neglect
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it. I mean, if you, if you neglect it, there, there will come, there will come a day, you know,
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maybe 10 years from now, 20 years from now, where don't be surprised when we're dealing with some of
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the same issues that, um, many of the other, you know, empires around the globe have, you know,
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eroded to, or don't be surprised when we're the next Venezuelan, you're living under a socialist
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dictator, you know, where you no longer get to say what you want to say. You no longer get,
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you can no longer afford, you know, that lifestyle that you have because you were checked out.
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And that's why, you know, it's interesting, you know, that's why, um, when this country was being
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founded, uh, a reporter actually asked, I think it was Benjamin Franklin. Hey, while they were, you
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know, um, you know, involved in the formation of our, uh, you know, our constitution and some of our
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founding documents, a reporter asked him, Hey, what kind of a government do you have for us? And
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he said, a Republic, if you can keep it. Right. Those are the key words. If you can keep it. Why
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do you think he said that? Right. Why do you think it's so fragile? It's so delicate, right? I mean,
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it's crumble at the slightest. Yeah. He knew, he knew history. He knew how unique this system was.
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And he also understood mankind and, and, and our, uh, and how complacent and passive we get a lot of the
00:22:45.080
time, you know? And so it's, I think it's important to understand that, you know, um, you know, it's
00:22:51.160
like, yeah, we, we have been blessed here. We have been very fortunate to live here, but the question
00:22:57.160
is, are we going to keep it or are we going to let it fade into oblivion? You know? So that's, that's,
00:23:03.260
that's why I'm doing this, man. And, um, you know, it is, it is what it is, but I don't, I don't,
00:23:10.800
I don't regret it, even though I don't like it that much. I don't regret it because I think it's
00:23:15.280
an important mission. All right, man, let me step away from the conversation very briefly.
00:23:20.480
Again, I mentioned it earlier. If you don't already know my book, the masculinity manifesto
00:23:24.720
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00:23:29.700
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00:23:34.740
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00:23:52.180
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00:23:58.500
again, pick up a copy of the masculinity manifesto for now. I'll get back to it with Eli.
00:24:03.140
Eli. What's your take on where you're seeing it now, maybe even from a different perspective,
00:24:10.480
especially if you, if you do get elected is what's your perspective on how the military has
00:24:17.420
changed relative to, cause you're, you're, you're a former Navy SEAL. You spent a lot of times in,
00:24:22.780
in, in the military. And so being in the military versus seeing it now, what's your perspective about
00:24:29.200
how that's changed for better or worse? Yeah. You know, I think, um, I'm disappointed to see,
00:24:37.120
um, you know, where the military is at right now. Um, I, I think that like many of our institutions,
00:24:44.540
um, it's becoming, uh, a social experiment, if you will. Um, and I think many of the leaders that,
00:24:53.420
that we have in the military, um, have been selected and promoted, um, not because they're
00:25:03.360
the best military or, you know, minds that we have are the most, um, strategic, you know,
00:25:11.040
warfare minds that we have, but because they're, they're willing to play ball and do what they're
00:25:15.020
told. And, um, you know, I think it's, uh, when you, when you see a lot of the, you know, stuff,
00:25:21.300
you hear general Milley talking to Congress, you know, about, um, you know, some of the, uh,
00:25:28.400
you know, some of the, um, culture problems that the military has. And he talks about, Hey,
00:25:35.200
he wants to get in touch with his, you know, or he wants to learn more about his, his, his, uh,
00:25:40.800
white rage or, you know, what, whatever, whatever it is, it's just, you're thinking, I'm thinking to
00:25:45.180
myself, what the hell's going on? You know, what does this have to do with you leading, um, the baddest
00:25:50.800
fighting force, um, ever assembled. Um, and when I see a lot of this stuff going on, um, it really
00:25:57.760
concerns me because I know that that's not what our military is for. I know it doesn't help, um,
00:26:04.500
the effectiveness of our military. And, um, I also understand how dangerous this world is. I
00:26:10.140
understand. I've seen it firsthand, um, how many adversaries that we have out there that would just
00:26:15.620
love to knock the United States, um, you know, off of our, off of our position in the world and
00:26:23.140
would love to even just destroy the United States. And so, um, I think it's, I think it's very dangerous
00:26:29.220
when you take something that's not supposed to be a social experiment, um, and start to influence it
00:26:34.520
with that type of, uh, uh, destructive ideology. Yeah. I mean, I can, I can definitely see how,
00:26:41.720
how it's, how it's deviated. Do you think that with, with the route of our, our military leaders,
00:26:46.460
uh, the question I keep asking myself, not just with the military, but even our presidency is this
00:26:51.560
complete and utter ignorance, or is this an intentional undermining? Like what is, what is
00:26:58.520
the play here? Like in the militaries, what, what is the ultimate play? Is it to undermine and erode
00:27:03.620
this nation and our fighting force? Like how, how does that serve anybody? I think about that even
00:27:08.980
with student loan payments, uh, or student loan forgiveness. It's like, what's the play? Is it
00:27:14.520
just power or does somebody actually believe that this is going to be better for everybody?
00:27:21.400
I think it's a combination of the two. Uh, I think there is a lot of ignorance involved,
00:27:25.860
but I also do think that many of the, uh, people that have worked their way into positions of authority
00:27:31.980
and power, um, don't want to see, um, you know, um, the same United States. I think they want,
00:27:42.020
I think they want to change it. I don't think that they want to see, um, you know, a dominant United
00:27:48.380
States. Um, I don't think they want to see, uh, the people of this country have a constitution or a bill
00:27:56.660
of rights that protects our unalienable or God-given rights. And one of the reasons I believe that is
00:28:03.180
because, um, uh, you know, many of them have complained about it publicly. Um, and I don't
00:28:10.520
think, and when I, I was talking about how we have a guy that who's an avowed socialist coming in,
00:28:17.440
in the top four, the last two elections, socialism is not compatible with, um, our constitution and our
00:28:25.780
bill of rights. It just isn't, they don't, you, you can't put the two together. One has got to give.
00:28:30.900
And so I, I personally believe that there has been an attempt, an attempt to destroy this country
00:28:37.700
from within. And you're saying, you might be saying, Eli, what are you talking about? That
00:28:41.680
sounds crazy. Well, stay with me for a second, you know, go, you know, for your listening out,
00:28:47.780
listeners out there, go Google, um, Yuri Bezmanov. Have you seen Yuri Bezmanov's videos, Ryan?
00:28:54.040
No, I haven't. Yuri Bezmanov was a KGB defector. Um, and he was given, he was given interviews.
00:29:02.620
He was a high ranking officer in the KGB and he was given interviews, you know, I think back as early
00:29:07.560
as the late, late eighties, early nineties, I believe. And he talked about, um, how the KGB didn't
00:29:14.960
spend a lot of their money, um, on, you know, the sexy James Bond type espionage. They spent most,
00:29:22.540
he said maybe 15% of our budget went into that type of espionage, uh, field craft, that type of
00:29:29.080
stuff. He said the majority of our budget in the KGB, um, uh, went towards, um, something called
00:29:35.360
ideological subversion and trying to destroy the West. And if you go look at, if you go watch,
00:29:40.940
um, Yuri Bezmanov's videos, this KGB defector, he goes through what ideological subversion is
00:29:46.760
and the steps. He actually goes through the steps and how long each one is supposed to take,
00:29:52.400
um, in embedding communists into, um, you know, every major institution that we have in the media,
00:30:01.500
academia, um, in Hollywood, et cetera. And, um, how they, how they want to, um, alter
00:30:09.740
the ideologies that we have here. Um, and to destroy the West, that's, that's the goal to
00:30:17.260
destroy the United States. And don't take my word for it guys. Go, go listen to doctor or go listen
00:30:22.460
to Yuri Bezmanov talk about, um, ideological subversion, the steps, but I do believe it's
00:30:28.000
intentional. I don't believe anybody's, you know, well, I don't believe most people are really as
00:30:34.400
stupid as, um, some of the things that you see going on here. Like, for instance, I mean, Ryan,
00:30:40.100
let's, let's be honest, man. We're starting to have arguments about whether or not men can have
00:30:44.220
babies. I mean, that's how stupid things are getting in our culture. And look, Hey man, maybe,
00:30:49.420
maybe that's insulting to some people. Maybe, you know, maybe some people believe that, you know,
00:30:54.060
men can have babies. I'm honestly not trying to, you know, insult you, um, per se, but come on.
00:31:01.620
I mean, that's how, that's how, that's how far our culture has gone where we're, we're taking the,
00:31:09.180
the most, um, black and white issues in my opinion, and we are, uh, inserting complete confusion.
00:31:17.880
And I I've heard the saying before, when it comes to the radical left, the issue is never the issue.
00:31:24.620
The issue is always revolution. And what does that really mean? What they want to do is they want to
00:31:29.660
try and destroy the institution. They want to try and destroy the framework that makes the West,
00:31:35.520
the West and makes our culture, what our culture is. And if they can do that,
00:31:40.560
then they can rebuild it into what they always, always want to think about it. Like, you know,
00:31:45.600
there's a lot of guys that, you know, probably watch your show that are in construction.
00:31:49.800
Sometimes if you want to build, you know, if you want to, if you want to build a house,
00:31:53.640
but a house is already there, sometimes you'll do a renovation, but sometimes you'll just knock the
00:31:57.660
whole thing down because it's just quicker and easier to do it. And I think that's what they're
00:32:01.780
actually trying to do. I think they're trying to destroy it so they can bring in a more totalitarian,
00:32:07.500
overreaching, over, you know, controlling government. Like most of many of them have
00:32:12.920
always wanted. And that's what I feel like is on the line. And that's why as a dad and somebody who
00:32:19.880
feels blessed to have grown up here and doesn't want to see other, you know, I don't even want to see
00:32:25.540
the people that are my opposition or who completely disagree with me. I don't want to have to see them
00:32:31.640
live through communism or socialism, you know, or, or any of it. And I don't think a lot of them even
00:32:37.240
know what, what that will bring because they don't study history and it's not really taught in our
00:32:42.760
schools anymore. And they, you know, the left does a really good job of inserting some, you know,
00:32:49.600
virtuous sounding words into their agenda, like equity and equality. And it sounds great when you say it,
00:32:55.540
it sounds great. It looks great on paper, but when you actually get into what they're actually
00:33:00.480
trying to do there, yeah, there might be equality. We're all, we're all going to be equally poor
00:33:06.660
and equally oppressed if, if, you know, we get their, their way of life, but, um, hold on. Sorry,
00:33:13.420
man. Let me, let me, uh, try and get my light back. There it goes. The flapper. Yeah. The sensor
00:33:20.320
light didn't see me moving. So it turned off. Sorry. No problem. But yeah. When you say I'm
00:33:26.820
always not skeptical, but just aware of when people say this is what they want, this is what they
00:33:32.100
want. Like who, who is they, I mean, you're, you're talking about external Nate, you know,
00:33:38.040
foreign nations and, and, and I'm sure that there's probably some thought that that comes from internal
00:33:44.900
as well, but who, who is they, that we're talking about here? Well, that's why I mentioned the fact
00:33:51.360
that Yuri Bezmenov is a KGB officer. Right. So the K, the KGB worked for the Soviets, right? It's kind
00:34:00.500
of like our, um, you know, it's kind of like our, uh, CIA, if you will. Okay. And, and, and when I also
00:34:08.620
say they, the Chinese are doing it, the Chinese are doing it too. There, there are, um, foreign
00:34:14.660
countries that, um, hate the West, they hate the United States and they're trying to destroy
00:34:18.940
the United States. And, and it's, it gets kind of confusing because at times we even have, you know,
00:34:23.960
trade deals with some of these folks. So we do work with them at times, but like, if you listen to,
00:34:29.320
um, you know, some of their leaders speak, um, you know, especially lately, um, the Chinese,
00:34:36.840
the Chinese absolutely want to destroy the West. Um, they want to destroy the United States. And,
00:34:43.260
you know, um, I think a lot of people are sleeping on it just because we were so prosperous. We're so
00:34:49.480
free here, um, that we really don't pay attention to things like that. Um, I mean, you know, you see
00:34:57.760
some of these PragerU videos, a lot of kids can't even tell you, you know, the, the 50 States,
00:35:02.300
they can't tell you, um, you know, they, they can't tell you, um, just basic geography here in
00:35:10.300
the United States of America, or, um, you know, any of our history or, you know, who, who our founding
00:35:17.660
fathers were or anything like that. They, they most certainly can't tell you what, you know,
00:35:22.220
president, president Xi, Xi of China, you know, what he said publicly about the U S or what the, I told,
00:35:28.260
I had told us in Iran, think about the U S or, um, you know, who the president of Russia is. And so
00:35:34.420
it's, it's just, um, I think it going back to something you said earlier, I think a lot of
00:35:38.600
it comes down to ignorance and, um, a lot of Westerners not really understanding geopolitics.
00:35:45.160
Well, I think it, I think you're right. I think also that we have a lot to lose because of our
00:35:50.220
freedoms. You know, we, we, uh, we live in pretty prosperous times, relatively speaking. Uh,
00:35:56.300
we, we have a lot of abundance. We do still have, believe it or not, a lot of freedoms that
00:36:00.440
most of the world throughout human history has never enjoyed. And so I think there's a lot of
00:36:04.980
people who are saying at least subconsciously, Hey, I don't want to rock the boat here. Cause
00:36:09.720
I've got a house, I've got a car, I've got a family, I've got a job. I have a somewhat meaningful
00:36:13.860
life. I've got a little freedom to do what I want. So why would I rock the boat? You know? And I think
00:36:19.060
that people need to wake up to the reality that, yeah, we could go South very, very quickly. In fact,
00:36:24.100
it seems like we have been to some degree. I would agree. And that's my point. That's
00:36:28.560
my point is that so much freedom, so much wealth, um, so much opportunity creates passivity and
00:36:35.820
complacency. That's exactly my point. And, and most of us, that's our nature when we, when
00:36:41.700
we're so blessed and we live in a nice house and we have a nice car and our kids are going
00:36:45.440
to a great school and we get to take a couple of vacations every year or one vacation a year.
00:36:51.320
And we feel like we're living this American dream. The natural tendency is to stay in that
00:36:57.400
little bubble of, um, you know, just what awesomeness or whatever you want to, whatever
00:37:05.120
you want to say, you don't want to rock the boat. You don't want to jeopardize that. Right.
00:37:08.060
And I get it. I totally get it. All I'm saying is, is that, um, times are changing. This country
00:37:15.980
is changing. The ingredients are changing. And I think because a lot of us stay in that little
00:37:21.540
bubble, we, we, we're missing what's going on around us. And, and because we stay in that little
00:37:26.580
bubble and because we don't pay attention, we don't really, we don't really see the writing on
00:37:32.500
the wall. And we, we have this idea and this arrogance that the United States of America,
00:37:37.320
nothing could ever happen here. Well, if you, you know, if you look throughout the history of the
00:37:42.000
world and all the empires that have fallen, you know, um, from the Greeks to the Romans, um,
00:37:50.200
and on and on and on, uh, I'm sure many of their people, um, thought the exact same thing.
00:37:56.180
Um, but, but due to often stupidity, foolishness, complacency, um, et cetera, those empires fell as
00:38:06.980
well. And that's, that's what I'm, uh, that's what I'm fighting for is to, and I'm a conservative
00:38:13.680
at the root word of conservative is the root word conserve. What does that really mean? I'm trying
00:38:19.360
to conserve the ingredients that made this place great in the first place. And that was, you know,
00:38:24.940
our, our framework, our founding documents, constitution, the bill of rights, limited government,
00:38:29.660
that's what our founders wanted. But you, you wouldn't know that if you watch the news today as,
00:38:34.960
as the federal government is now, you know, imposing, you know, people, you know, medical
00:38:40.840
treatment on people that don't want these types of medical treatments and, um, make, you know,
00:38:46.200
saying, Hey, you're going to lose your job. If you don't, you know, if you don't take this drug or,
00:38:50.440
you know, what, whatever it is. And, and that's what, that's what bothers me. I want to see people
00:38:55.700
be able to live their lives. And I realized that, you know, sometimes I come on strong and I have a,
00:39:01.840
I have strong beliefs that I realized that not everybody does. And I, and I think it's great
00:39:07.080
that you and I can have different beliefs and we can live in a country where we have different
00:39:11.240
beliefs and we live in a country where we can actually criticize, um, those in power, but we
00:39:16.200
have to, we have to understand how unique and special that is. Cause it's not like that around
00:39:20.640
the world in many places around the world. If, if, if, if I was to sit here on a podcast in many
00:39:27.000
countries around the world, um, and criticize the leader of my country, I could, I'd probably
00:39:34.080
be arrested within hours. Yeah, sure. I want to make sure that we, we continue to have the ability
00:39:40.440
to, you know, to do that because we're Americans. And if, and if we, like I said, if, if we, if we,
00:39:47.660
the people aren't engaged, it creates a power vacuum and that vacuum is always filled with something.
00:39:52.300
Yeah. Agreed. Well, you know, the other thing that I like about candidates like you and other
00:39:57.840
candidates is it seems to me there's, um, there's more military members running for office, which I
00:40:05.060
like because they've actually been in the battle. Uh, and then there's also more business owners
00:40:09.200
from, from my perspective, maybe I'm off, but at least anecdotally, it seems like there's more
00:40:13.740
business owners who are entering the political realm. And that's valuable because I think the old
00:40:20.700
guard is basically, Hey, you're going to grow up in this. You're going to be groomed into politics
00:40:25.180
by your parents or your grandparents, the family name. And then this is all you're going to do.
00:40:30.340
You're going to go to Ivy league college. You're going to become a lawyer and then you're going to
00:40:34.500
get into politics and that's going to be your life for generations. So I like this new, more
00:40:40.880
practical, like actually having to go out there and have a business or be in the military or in your
00:40:50.700
I can't speak to the, you know, the business, how many, how many new business owners are running
00:40:56.320
in comparison to the past. But what I can tell you is, I mean, just to give you an idea,
00:41:01.300
um, this last cycle, I think there were at least eight or nine Navy SEALs that ran for Congress.
00:41:07.540
And let me tell you something, just because you're a Navy SEAL does not mean you're going to be a good
00:41:10.960
Congressman. It doesn't mean you're going to be a good leader. It doesn't mean you're going to be a
00:41:14.680
good anything. It means that at one point in your life, you did a pretty cool job and it took a lot to
00:41:20.200
get there. Um, but what, to your point, what I've noticed is, is, um, a lot of people that never
00:41:26.860
wanted to be in politics are recognizing the same, um, conditions that I am and seeing a sense of,
00:41:33.560
have, feel a sense of urgency to try and do something about it. And I tell people all the
00:41:37.900
time that if at one point in your life, you were willing to die for it, that's usually a pretty good
00:41:41.920
start. Now you have a lot, we have a lot to learn. Those of us that didn't grow up in politics.
00:41:47.000
I know I have a ton to learn. I know there's a ton, I don't know. Um, but to your point,
00:41:52.320
I like to see people that haven't spent a career in politics, you know, willing to run and represent
00:41:58.940
regular people, because I think that one, the longer you're in politics, the more likely you've
00:42:04.160
been corrupted. But, um, I don't think that's what our founders wanted. I think our founders wanted,
00:42:09.900
you know, regular people like, you know, you and I, and, uh, just normal folks to go represent
00:42:17.080
the constituents or the district. And then they come back after a couple of years and, and to
00:42:22.660
return to, uh, you know, doing our job. I don't think that they, I don't think that they necessarily
00:42:27.440
wanted, um, you know, career politicians leading this country, but, you know, um, unfortunately in,
00:42:34.340
in, in, uh, in these bodies, there's, we don't have something called term limits. And so the only
00:42:40.680
way you can do anything about that as a, as a politician, because I don't happen to believe
00:42:45.680
that most people that have this power are going to vote, um, you know, vote for a bill or legislation
00:42:53.320
that's going to kick them out of office. I think the only thing you can do is in that case is lead by
00:42:58.860
example and to term limit yourself. Yeah. I, so I used to be a heavy proponent of turn,
00:43:06.420
like there has to be term limits and I, and I'm not sure that perspective has changed,
00:43:11.500
but I've seen and heard different things, uh, especially having somewhat very limited access
00:43:18.100
to seeing a sneak behind the curtain a little bit with regards to how things get done. Um, you know,
00:43:24.360
you have junior congressmen who it's going to be hard for them to get things done, to navigate the
00:43:29.980
political waters. And so I see some of that need to have some of these senior type officials,
00:43:35.580
but, but somebody also said, and I, and I, I haven't thought too deeply on this, frankly,
00:43:41.280
but somebody said, you know, we do have term limit opportunities and that's by voting, you know,
00:43:46.960
it's like, but, but that goes back to what you were saying earlier is that we're so complacent.
00:43:51.780
We just vote party line or, you know, straight ticket, uh, or we don't vote at all because we
00:43:57.660
don't think it matters. And so we're not even exercising that opportunity to vote these people
00:44:02.020
in and out of office as we deem necessary. No, you're right. And it was interesting because when
00:44:08.200
I, when I started getting into politics and I started thinking about, um, you know, how, uh,
00:44:16.300
how many people I know who actually know who their congressman is. Most people don't even know who
00:44:21.440
their congressman is. And it just goes to show, it goes to one more, uh, example of that complacency,
00:44:26.940
um, and ignorance and how good we have it here that most of us feel like we don't even need to
00:44:33.240
participate because it's just a foregone conclusion that we're always going to have this, this wealth
00:44:39.000
and this opportunity and this prosperity. And I think it's, I think it's a dangerous way of thinking.
00:44:45.240
I, I understand it, but I think it's, uh, I think, uh, I think it leads to, uh, pretty dangerous
00:44:53.580
places. Well, we know it does, right. I mean, you, you've been saying that historically, we know
00:44:58.960
where this leads and we know where this goes. If we can't get involved in a meaningful way,
00:45:02.800
are you still, are you still involved heavily with, with, with, uh, uh, bottle breacher? Like,
00:45:08.580
is that something that you're still involved with? Or did you tell me a little bit about that?
00:45:13.480
No, we actually sold, we actually sold the business, I think about six or seven months ago.
00:45:18.080
So, okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. And it, you know, it was, uh, it was kind of bittersweet
00:45:22.200
for me. Um, obviously it was our baby. We started it organically in a garage and, uh, you know,
00:45:29.500
grew it. And, uh, that's always hard to, you know, part with something like that. But, um, me and Jen
00:45:35.560
both felt like that's, uh, the direction that we were supposed to head. And so, uh, you know,
00:45:41.040
we sold the business and, uh, and, uh, we've, we've, we're moving on and, uh, we're, you know,
00:45:47.500
we're wishing the new owners, uh, luck and, uh, hope, hope they're, you know, prosperous in what
00:45:53.040
they do. And, um, but at the same time, you know, uh, it reminds me of when I left the Navy,
00:45:58.820
Ryan, I was, I left it 13 years and most people were like, Eli, what are you doing, man? Why don't
00:46:03.500
you just, why don't you just stay for another seven, get your retirement? And I'm like, Hey,
00:46:07.640
this is, um, you know, this is where I feel like God's calling me. And I don't feel, uh,
00:46:14.820
you know, uh, my heart's not in it anymore. And the moment my heart's not in something, man,
00:46:20.880
you know, I, I, unless, unless I need to stay for, you know, something bigger than myself,
00:46:26.420
like my family, for whatever reason, if it's not a good spot, you know, good time for me to make it,
00:46:31.540
make an adjustment or a move, you know, I've always tried to, uh, always tried to listen and
00:46:37.500
to not be afraid to take, take risk and take chance. And, you know, it's, uh, led me to some
00:46:43.520
pretty cool places. And so even though people don't always understand it and they think, uh,
00:46:48.520
sometimes people, I know people in my journey have thought I was a little nutty, uh, especially
00:46:53.540
when I got out of the Navy and they're like, I was telling people I'm going to make bottle openers.
00:46:57.740
And they're like, what? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But, um, but yeah, so yeah,
00:47:04.420
we're not, we're not really involved in that anymore, but it was a blessing and I'm glad we
00:47:09.460
got to experience it and experience it. And I'm glad I got to see how, how hard entrepreneurs work,
00:47:15.160
um, and experience that for a decade, because I mean, wow. I mean, it may, it really makes me a
00:47:21.080
pretty, regardless of whether I walk into like somebody's fast food chain or whether I walk into,
00:47:26.980
you know, um, you know, another, another small business, I know how hard it is now. And it just,
00:47:33.400
it makes me appreciate, you know, the risk that, you know, people take every day, you know,
00:47:39.860
get, you know, get up and say, Hey, I'm going to work for myself. Um, and I'm going to offer a product
00:47:45.240
or a service, um, you know, to the people of my community or, you know, people of this nation. And,
00:47:51.460
uh, and, and it's just really, it's just really cool. And I think it's a big part of what what's
00:47:57.280
made this country. So awesome. Yeah. I mean, obviously I believe in small business. I mean,
00:48:01.560
I'm, I'm a small business owner myself. One, one point of contention I have among others,
00:48:06.060
uh, with, with the government is this insistent need of trying to help people or, or even small
00:48:17.620
businesses is another one. It's like, well, you know, I'm going to come in here and help these
00:48:21.160
small businesses. Like, I don't, I think you're misunderstood, not you personally, but I think
00:48:25.820
there's a lot of misunderstanding about the role of government. Like it's not the government's job
00:48:32.080
to come in and like support a business. It's not the government's job to come in and make sure
00:48:36.860
that everybody's okay. Uh, and, and that's a good way I think to get brownie points, uh, and to get
00:48:43.880
voted in, but it's a very frustrating thing. I just look at it and think, no, the government's
00:48:48.280
job is to make sure there's a level playing field and that everybody has the same opportunity.
00:48:53.300
And then it's off to the races from there. Right. And not to come in and say, well,
00:48:58.540
this business needs help and that business doesn't need help. It infuriates me.
00:49:03.780
Yeah, no, it, it, it, I, I get you and you're, you know, it sounded like a pretty, uh,
00:49:09.240
solid conservative. Um, but you know, yeah, I mean, and that's kind of, that, that's kind of the
00:49:17.060
road, the slow road towards socialism, right. Where business or the government starts to pick
00:49:22.900
winners and losers. And I think a lot of us felt that way during COVID for instance, my business
00:49:28.100
was deemed a non-essential. So we were shut down, you know, for 30 days and, uh, but yet, yet you go
00:49:36.480
into some of these big chains and they surely you go into a Walmart, it wasn't shut down, you know,
00:49:42.680
and, and, you know, so you had this, you know, government involvement in, you know, kind of
00:49:48.880
picking winners and losers, but to your point, you're right. That's not the responsibility
00:49:53.100
of government. And I talked about our founders and our framers wanted limited government. They
00:50:00.080
wanted the government to stay out of your life. And, um, you know, that's one of the things that I
00:50:05.260
want to also see return to, um, America and our culture is a more limited government, but that is
00:50:12.700
not the direction that the left, you know, wants to take us. And, and I'll go back to, you know,
00:50:19.240
the ideological subversion and trying to teach, you know, um, trying to teach our kids from a young age
00:50:26.040
in school, um, that that is the government's job. And, uh, and if they can, if they can continue to
00:50:33.380
promote that ideology and, uh, and make sure that kids aren't taught, um, what our government's actual
00:50:41.940
role is, um, in this culture in America, um, I think that you're, we're going to continue to see,
00:50:49.820
um, the United States go towards more and more of a nanny state until it's full-blown socialism.
00:50:56.160
And, and it's one of the things that I'm trying to stop by, um, by running.
00:51:01.580
This idea of ideological subversion is very, it's very interesting to me. It, it, I know when people
00:51:06.880
hear it, it, it almost border borders, conspiracy theory stuff. I think this is when a lot of people
00:51:12.020
get lost in it and they're like, ah, nah, nah, I'm done. It's true. It's true. So I'm going to have
00:51:17.360
to go research, uh, a little bit for myself on that, but I am curious, let's just assume that
00:51:23.180
this is the case and it sounds like it is, but how do we then reclaim these institutions? I think
00:51:29.060
of academia, I think about the medical community, obviously the government, uh, even media, uh, how
00:51:35.680
do we begin to reclaim or at least interject into some of these, these, uh, compromised institutions
00:51:42.800
that, that, uh, are dictating and shaping much of society and culture today.
00:51:48.100
Yeah. Well, I, it, you can sum it up with one word and the word has negative connotation to it,
00:51:53.520
but it's really activism. You know, I taught activism. We, we, when we think of activism,
00:51:58.960
we, we think of, you know, Antifa writers, you know, right. You know, screaming and pulling their
00:52:05.500
hair out and, you know, in, in Portland or something like that. But activism is really just taking action.
00:52:10.860
And I talked about it a second ago and, um, my skills, talents, abilities aren't, aren't yours,
00:52:17.340
but every single one of us needs to look in the mirror and say, okay, what, what skills, talents,
00:52:22.360
and abilities do I have? And how can I use, how can I use them to be a part of, uh, you know,
00:52:28.760
being the change that I want to see. And that, that's how, that's how we do it because we, there,
00:52:33.640
we really are the silent majority in this country, whether you're looking at, whether you are a
00:52:38.620
registered Republican, whether you're a Democrat or whether you're an independent, I think most of
00:52:43.600
us, you know, a lot of us want to be left alone. A lot of us want to continue to live the American
00:52:48.820
dream. And a lot of us want to be able to be prosperous. I know a lot of Democrats that don't
00:52:53.160
like, um, you know, seeing, you know, some of the things that are going on, you know, with,
00:52:58.540
within that party. And I, I even know Republicans that aren't happy about some of the things that are
00:53:02.660
going on in the, in the Republican party. But at the end of the day, to answer your question, it's,
00:53:07.480
it's activism. You have each and every one of us has to one realize that we have a system that's
00:53:14.540
of buying for the people, right? Like I keep saying, I keep hammering that I keep hammering it,
00:53:19.340
but if we're not engaged and if you're complacent and if you're more focused on your fast food and
00:53:25.820
what's on Netflix tonight, and you don't, you don't engage in this culture, it, it, it does create a
00:53:32.120
power vacuum that is often throughout the course of humanity and history filled by, um, you know,
00:53:39.140
dictatorships, oppression, um, that the individual with the most powerful or with the most power,
00:53:46.960
the strongest, you know, and often it, it doesn't usually lead to, uh, a place that's prosperous and,
00:53:55.680
uh, you know, abounds in freedom. And so that, that, that's my, that's my call to the people that
00:54:01.780
are watching your show, whether I ever become a Congressman or not, Ryan, that that's what it's
00:54:06.420
going to take is people getting off their butts and realizing, Hey, you know, I may never, I may
00:54:12.220
not want to run for Congress or I might not want to start a podcast like, like Ryan, but I can go
00:54:17.760
down and I can be a PC committee member or PC committee men, or I can, uh, I can be a poll,
00:54:24.200
poll watcher and go make sure that, you know, um, when we're having elections here, that there's no
00:54:28.780
shady business going on. Like every single one of you can do every single one of us can do something.
00:54:33.800
And, and I think that that's, you know, that's the type of, uh, education and, and messaging that
00:54:40.120
we've got to, we've got to promote. That's awesome. Yeah. I really appreciate that perspective.
00:54:45.980
Well, Eli, thanks for joining me today. Tell the guys how to connect with you, learn more about what
00:54:49.600
you're doing in your platform, of course, and your message. And, uh, I'm going to give you that
00:54:53.740
opportunity. Thanks, Ryan. I appreciate it, man. So, yeah, if you guys want to go, uh,
00:54:58.220
check our website out, it's Eli4Arizona.com. Um, Eli, uh, Crane CEO on social media, um, and Eli
00:55:07.020
Crane for Congress on social media as well. So if you guys want to go look us up, please do it. Um,
00:55:13.000
but you know, Ryan, thanks for the opportunity, man. It's, it's been an honor.
00:55:17.260
You bet. Thank you. Good luck with everything and keep up the good fight. Appreciate it, man.
00:55:21.640
Thanks brother. All right, you guys, there you go. My conversation with Eli Crane. I hope you
00:55:27.200
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00:55:33.100
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00:55:37.460
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00:55:42.240
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