Order of Man - Entertaining Conflicting Ideas, Knowing What You Stand For, and Putting the Mission First

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kip Sorensen. What's up, brother? We're live on Facebook and

00:00:28.580 we're recording here in the podcast. Changing the world. One podcast at a time.

00:00:33.040 What's up with your shirt? What is that? Shailen, what is that?

00:00:36.300 Let's, oh, this is a play on, is it Chanel? The brand from the, I don't know. It's

00:00:43.040 me towards Shaolin, my old coach. Oh, Shaolin. Okay. Well, yeah. Okay. I've heard you talk

00:00:47.860 about him before, but I didn't know the, I didn't know the shirt. So yeah. Yeah. That's my old.

00:00:53.340 I don't know anything about, about Chanel or any of that. So I wouldn't understand the

00:00:58.460 reference. Sorry. I almost paused for a second. I was like, oh, yeah. Um, what's cool about,

00:01:05.740 I like the stealth jujitsu wear, right? That, uh, other jujitsu guys. You have to be part

00:01:11.560 of practitioner to, yeah. Yeah. You're like, oh, I get you. You know, without, I wouldn't

00:01:16.320 understand any of that. No, whatever. I'm not there yet. You're getting there. You see an

00:01:23.200 origin logo and you're like, got you. I know that guy. I like you. I like what he

00:01:27.500 does. Yeah. That's right. Well, cool, man. Should we get to some questions today?

00:01:31.480 Yeah, for sure. We have some questions from the iron council or exclusive brotherhood

00:01:36.220 as well as we got, uh, one guy, an anonymous guy, uh, ping me up on Instagram actually like

00:01:43.640 two weeks ago. And he's like, could you please read this question? And I said, yes. Um,

00:01:47.620 I've had people do that. And I just say, you have to join the Facebook group or the iron

00:01:51.240 council. Oh, sorry. Anonymous. No, I mean, it's fine. I'm just saying like, cause I don't

00:01:55.780 want to like track down all these different things and I'll forget. So it's just way easier

00:02:00.540 for me to say, just go on the Facebook group. I just feel bad. Cause he, he paid me money.

00:02:05.080 He been mowed me some cash. So I was like, uh, I'm going to have to have you send that over

00:02:09.360 to me and, uh, we, we can't be bribed. That's right. Yeah. We, we can, we'd happily bump

00:02:16.960 your questions at the top of the list. I mean, there's a price to pay, but we'd happily do

00:02:20.480 that. Totally. And then, and then of course we have some questions from Facebook, uh, our

00:02:26.460 private Facebook group that's facebook.com slash group slash order of man as well. Yes,

00:02:30.980 sir. All right. We live in, we live in some crazy times, man. I'm I, I haven't gone through

00:02:36.960 these questions at all. I think I saw one or two. So, uh, yeah, we live in some crazy times.

00:02:42.680 We'll see how it goes. Dude. Well, it's local news for us in Utah, but like, so there's some

00:02:48.180 downtown protests and, and protests is the right term, but they were writing, right? Like

00:02:54.340 they're like a buddy of mine, his, his, his building got vandalized, right? I know him

00:03:00.220 personally. Yeah. In downtown Salt Lake. Why? Like he's a cool cat. He's trying to do his job.

00:03:06.440 You know what I mean? And his building gets vandalized. Why? Like, I don't know. Pissing me

00:03:10.960 I don't think, I, I think there is some questions probably relating to this and I'm sure we'll get

00:03:15.280 into it, but, um, yeah, it's a, it's a shame at a minimum. It's a shame on a lot of different

00:03:19.980 fronts. Not just one front. There's, there's all sorts. It's this whole situation, uh, is pretty

00:03:25.620 jacked up. So maybe we'll get into it. It's darn good. Oh, but this, my point of bringing that up

00:03:29.760 because I thought it was so funny is a dude pulled out a bow. Like, and it was like, not like a real bow

00:03:35.240 like the news was like a hunting bow. You look at the bow and it's like, uh, he like picked that up at

00:03:39.980 Walmart or Kmart. Yeah. I saw that. And then he got draws a bow and he gets like rushed by the,

00:03:46.560 he got beat up and then his car got lit on fire or something. I'm like, what in the world is

00:03:51.040 happening? Like number one, if, if you're gonna, if you're gonna, well, first don't get out of your

00:03:58.320 car. All right. That's the first rule. Just stay in your car. Yeah. Why are you engaging? You're mad at

00:04:03.880 someone for saying something. You're going to shoot, draw a bow on them. Number two, don't use

00:04:09.180 a bow. There's significantly more effective tools to use. Oh man. Crazy. What? I don't know, man.

00:04:18.840 With the hatchet. Good luck. All right. Here we go. I'm sure we'll get into these questions a little

00:04:26.860 bit more as well. All right. Bill Sharp. Do you still recommend index funds? This is quiet. We're

00:04:33.660 like assuming that the next question is going to be about rioting COVID-19 and, and Bill is focused

00:04:39.000 on what he probably should be focused on. And his question is, uh, do you still recommend index funds

00:04:44.440 as a principal strategy for wealth generation or has your perspective changed over time?

00:04:49.740 Uh, I don't know if I would say a principal strategy of wealth generation. I think,

00:04:55.100 I tend to lean more towards business, your own business, that is, because the stock market could

00:05:01.600 be considered business. You're investing in thousands of businesses, right? I'm talking about

00:05:05.400 your own business, real estate, but certainly the stock market can get, can be a component of that.

00:05:10.840 Um, index funds, no, not necessarily index funds, although the strategy of investing is similar to

00:05:20.000 what an index fund would be like. But yeah, I think if you're talking about active versus passive

00:05:27.380 investing, active investing would be like you going in and buying and selling stocks and picking stocks

00:05:33.640 and doing individual trades, Forex, that kind of stuff. That's active market investing. Then you have

00:05:40.720 passive investing, which when you hear it that way, you think, Oh, passive, that's bad. It's passive. I don't

00:05:45.140 want to do that. It's actually proven to be over, over time, significantly better by way of, of returns

00:05:53.040 when you're not dabbling and you're not tinkering and you're not toying around with things. So I,

00:05:58.920 I, I suggest a passive investment strategy and yes, you can use index funds to do that.

00:06:04.720 Uh, but ultimately what you want is you want a broadly diversified portfolio. And I'm not talking

00:06:11.160 about you own a thousand large cap stocks because for example, if you owned a thousand or, or if you

00:06:18.860 own the SMP 500, right? So the largest 500 us companies. Okay. So you own that, that, and that's

00:06:25.580 all you owned. Well, all of those stocks go up and down together. It's not what you're looking for.

00:06:32.560 You want to, right. So, you know, like Procter and Gamble, for example, is going up and down with

00:06:37.820 Apple, right? Like these are kind of mirroring each other. They're not interdependent of each

00:06:41.740 other. So what you want is you want a broadly diversified portfolio and you want them moving

00:06:46.900 like this. So when your large cap stocks, for example, underperform, it's fine. You can buy

00:06:53.060 those things up while these other things you're selling these things off. Let's say small cap stocks

00:06:57.520 have, have, have outperformed. So you sell those off and then you buy the underperformers so that when

00:07:03.320 they, they switch and they will, it's all cyclical, then you take advantage of that. So you want a

00:07:08.200 broadly diversified portfolio among different market capitalizations, small caps, large caps,

00:07:13.940 et cetera, et cetera, against different sectors of the market and across different cultures and

00:07:21.800 countries in the world. That's what you want. Broadly diversified portfolios with low turnover.

00:07:28.480 Because if you have a portfolio that's being turned over, over and over and over and over and over

00:07:32.700 again, you think you're being active and you think it's working, but you're getting killed on trading

00:07:39.260 fees when you buy and when you sell and you're just getting raked over the coals. Yeah. So if you look

00:07:45.740 at, if you look at a fund that is traded and the name escapes me right off hand. So people are going

00:07:52.720 to criticize me because I was in the financial planning practice, but I really can't, it's been so long

00:07:58.520 and I've like completely tuned out of it. But if you let's clarify, you did stop the podcast.

00:08:04.860 Yes. Yes, exactly. But you there's portfolios or funds, I should say that are traded over a hundred

00:08:13.120 percent of the time, which means at the end of the year inside of the fund is completely different than

00:08:18.800 what was at the beginning of the year. Well, that's a huge turnover, which means there's huge

00:08:23.800 and exorbitant fees built into that. So you want low turnover because we all know it's long-term

00:08:29.240 strategy. Everybody knows that. And you want a broadly diversified portfolio that's being rebalanced

00:08:35.380 quarter. I usually do quarterly, but maybe even annually, there's evidence that suggests that both

00:08:41.280 will work and produce favorable returns for you over a long period of time. And you want to buy the

00:08:47.840 underperformers, which is really hard to do from an emotional perspective because you're buying losers

00:08:53.460 who wants to buy losers and you want to sell off the winners and who wants to sell. Like if you had,

00:08:59.120 if you owned a football team, you wouldn't like sell your Superbowl team. Like you'd want to keep

00:09:04.080 everybody kind of there. Right. But you're actually supposed to do the opposite in the market. And

00:09:08.800 most people know that, but emotionally they can't handle it. Yeah. Would you say most people,

00:09:12.860 one of the common mistakes that a lot of people make is, is not being aware of the fees associated to

00:09:19.800 investments. Oh yeah. Cause they're all hidden in there and they're being tied to these companies

00:09:23.800 that are just raking you under the coals of all these fees. I mean, that was a mistake that we've

00:09:28.080 made in the past where I was like, Oh, I'm investing now. It's like, wait a second. I could have gone

00:09:32.220 with this other firm and none of these fees would existed. And they, they make it seem so minor,

00:09:38.460 but when you actually look at the numbers, you're like, Holy crap, like I'm doing some serious money

00:09:43.400 way. Yeah. Because most advisors will do is they'll show you a portfolio. So you'll go to,

00:09:48.720 let's say, let's say a prospect or, or a purse. I don't even like that term prospect. Um, but let's

00:09:54.620 say a family's coming to me or you for investment advice, right? So they're interviewing both of us

00:10:00.140 and they go to you and they say, okay, well, what, you know, what can you do for us? And you pull out

00:10:03.960 this fund and you're like, Hey, check this fund out. It's done 10% over the past 10 years.

00:10:08.260 Okay. And then they come to me and I'm like, yeah, check out this fund. It's done 8% over

00:10:11.720 the past 10 years. Who are they going to go with? Yeah. 10%. I'm going to go with you. Right. But

00:10:16.240 what they fail to look at is that you have two and a half percent fees built into your portfolio.

00:10:21.080 So really your net return is 7.5%. Right. And, and maybe, or it's not a great example, but, um,

00:10:28.440 you understand what I'm saying. And if mine had minimal or no fees, for example,

00:10:32.900 then obviously that 8% net is better than a 7.5% net. So you just have, you have to look at that

00:10:39.700 stuff. You can't just look at the rate of return and assume, Oh, well, that's the whole story. It

00:10:43.160 isn't just like anything. What we see on the surface is very rarely the entire story. Yeah.

00:10:49.340 Copy. All right. Mitch Jameson, what are your thoughts on the peaceful protests and riots and

00:10:54.680 militarization of American cities in the wake of the murder of George Floyd? I'm having a hard time

00:10:59.620 finding ground to stand on when I'm called a racist for believing the overwhelming majority

00:11:04.780 of LOEs. What are LOEs? Law enforcement officers or, or officials. Okay. Uh, for believing that,

00:11:12.740 uh, overwhelming majority of LOEs are, uh, uh, incredible righteous. He's saying he said LOEs,

00:11:18.700 but it's L L E O's, but L E O's. Oh, okay. No, that's my bad. Actually. I read that wrong.

00:11:24.080 The letter of engagement. So I saw LOE and I went for the acronym IC. Oh yeah. Hey dude,

00:11:31.540 talk about seeing things from your own perspective. Like that ties perfectly into the answer to this

00:11:36.140 question. I'm sure I saw that and went with the term that I use all the time. Um, so anyhow,

00:11:41.040 for believing that they're a human beings and then I'll be called anti-law enforcement for agreeing,

00:11:45.860 uh, that what happened to Floyd was indeed murder. I've only, uh, I live only a few miles from where

00:11:51.820 this incident occurred. So it is literally hitting me close at home. I'm trying to be an example,

00:11:56.420 uh, for my younger brother and a lighthouse for other confused men in this area, but I'm stumped

00:12:02.580 currently. Thank you both for your input. Yeah. You know, it's hard because I think we're at,

00:12:07.960 at an interesting point where people have a hard time believing that somebody can have

00:12:15.560 two ideas, hold two ideas at the same time, right? So for example, that George Floyd's death was

00:12:22.780 horrendous. It was atrocious. It was a real travesty that that happened. And the officer

00:12:30.220 who committed that crime, and it is a crime because he's been charged with murder at this point

00:12:34.160 should stand trial and should be brought to justice. So I can believe that. And also these

00:12:42.980 aren't conflicting ideas. I can believe that. And I can also believe that law enforcement officers

00:12:48.240 for the most part are trying to do their job accurately, correctly. Uh, they're in stressful

00:12:54.180 situations. I can support our law enforcement community. That doesn't mean that I think it's

00:13:00.620 okay to what, as to what happened to George Floyd. That doesn't mean that at all. Those two ideas

00:13:07.260 can exist simultaneously. And people have a very hard time wrapping their heads around it because

00:13:12.240 of tribalism. We're pitted against each other. So if I believe anything that could be slightly

00:13:19.240 interpreted as being part of that group over there, that tribe, that tribe, right? Then everything I

00:13:27.280 believe goes to that tribe. And if I believe what happened to, to, to this tribe over here,

00:13:32.700 then everything I have to believe or believe has to be part of that. Like there can't be any nuance,

00:13:38.360 right? You're either this, you're either with us or you're against us. It's like, well, what if I'm

00:13:42.640 both? Like, what if I'm with the idea that police officers need training? They need to be vetted.

00:13:52.340 Uh, there there's a whole host of things that need to happen within the law enforcement community.

00:13:57.080 And also I support the work that you're doing. I just think there's a better way to do it.

00:14:03.620 And we ought to explore what that actually looks like.

00:14:07.460 Totally.

00:14:08.180 So it's hard. So the answer is, look, if you're, if you're coming across a bigoted person,

00:14:16.560 and that's really what it is, they don't accept your viewpoint, whatever it is, whether you're on

00:14:22.100 this side or that side or somewhere in the middle, then there's nothing you can say or do that

00:14:26.800 win that individual over. And the best thing that you can do is to disengage because there's

00:14:32.520 nothing. Well, right. You can't just disengage because silence speaks volumes. Yeah. But what's

00:14:38.660 the alternative you getting into a debate or even a violent confrontation and nothing good comes of

00:14:47.340 it. In fact, worse, it becomes worse because you got involved. So I don't deal with people like that.

00:14:54.080 Now, if you want to have a real conversation and you disagree with me and I disagree with you,

00:14:58.500 as long as we can do that respectfully and civilly, I would love to have that conversation. I actually

00:15:02.560 enjoy intellectual debates like that because it causes me to think, or it causes me to shore up

00:15:07.160 my current perspective or consider a different perspective. You know, I, I made a post yesterday

00:15:13.980 about not allowing our emotions to dictate, to be the sole contributor for the course of action that

00:15:20.840 we're going to choose a metric, but not the only metric that you should consider.

00:15:25.220 And somebody wrote back and they completely took my words out of context. They made context. They

00:15:30.600 made up a bunch of, a bunch of assumptions about me and what I was saying that wasn't really there.

00:15:35.760 And then, so he, he went on this little tirade for a minute. And then at the bottom, he said,

00:15:39.880 are you open to a discussion? And I simply wrote back, if you're asking if I'm open to a discussion

00:15:45.960 with somebody who is completely misrepresented and misconstrued my words, the answer is of course,

00:15:51.060 no. Why, why would I, it doesn't play out well. Why would I be interested in having that type of

00:15:57.380 conversation with you? Oh, well, you're just close minded. You're just a bigot. No, bro. I just am not

00:16:03.300 interested in having that type of conversation with somebody I don't think is interested in a good

00:16:08.980 faith discussion. So as long as somebody wants to have a good faith discussion and, and be honest

00:16:16.840 with their questions and their line of questioning and their own perspective and not jump to a bunch

00:16:22.220 of assumptions and not try to guess what my motives are. I'm happy to have that discussion, but outside

00:16:29.180 of that, there's nothing you can do. So the thing that you can do right now is, and I've been thinking

00:16:34.980 a lot about like, what is the answer? And there isn't just some magical fairy dust that we could

00:16:39.720 sprinkle on everybody and just whatever this answer is that it would solve everything. It's, it's

00:16:43.460 complex. It's difficult. There's, there's a lot of emotion and everything else. And there are some

00:16:49.440 atrocities that need to be dealt with. Um, but the, the best conclusion that I can come to is that

00:16:58.220 we, we, as men leaders in our homes, leaders in our businesses, leaders in our community need to

00:17:05.840 start espousing and sharing some shared virtues, right? We need, we need to come across some shared

00:17:13.000 principles. For example, personal responsibility, civility, law and order, empathy, kindness,

00:17:22.260 strength, compassion. These are all principles that if we can wrap our heads around and have some

00:17:29.660 sort of shared vision of the, uh, of the principles we're going to operate by, then we can have

00:17:34.740 differences of opinion. But at the root of what we're discussing, we all believe the same things.

00:17:40.320 And I think we're at a pivotal moment in the U S and frankly, across the planet where those shared

00:17:47.580 principles aren't even there, right? Like I have a, I have a hard time wrapping my head around somebody

00:17:55.120 who's going to loot and riot and be violent and destructive and vile, how that individual would

00:18:02.720 have a shared principle with me, which is personal accountability, personal responsibility, civility,

00:18:09.460 all the things I just talked about. That said, you could take somebody who's protesting and they're

00:18:16.240 doing it civilly and they're doing it respectfully. And maybe they're frustrated and emotional and

00:18:22.000 upset, but they're doing it in a way where they, they, they, they've ascribed to those shared

00:18:27.720 principles, right? They can do it with civility and respect and okay. You disagree with me. Maybe

00:18:32.640 I disagree with you, but Hey, we're, we're civil about it. So at the root, and here's the thing about

00:18:37.600 it too. I don't know why there's so much divisiveness. I don't understand it either. Because I haven't

00:18:46.000 met or heard of a single individual who has said that what happened to George Floyd wasn't just a

00:18:54.340 horrific act of evil. I haven't heard one single black, white, anybody, I haven't heard a single

00:19:01.220 soul say that. And, and, and he's been arrested. He's being tried for murder. This is look, it's a

00:19:10.340 tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, but the, the, the justice system is sounds like it's working the way it

00:19:17.440 should. That guy committed an act of evil. He's been arrested. He's being tried for murder.

00:19:24.180 That's, that's how it's supposed to work. Yeah. That's the system. Yeah. That's the system. Yeah.

00:19:30.120 So it's, I just don't understand where the divisiveness comes from. And, and a lot of people

00:19:34.640 say, well, it's the media and it's this and it's that it, it is partly that, you know, the media is

00:19:38.920 fanning, fanning these flames for sure. And there's weird things like piles of bricks and

00:19:43.660 things showing up at protesting. It's weird. Um, but there, but there is people who are using this

00:19:51.080 as an opportunity to be violent, disgusting, and that is not going to help anybody. And it's not,

00:19:56.920 and it's not for Floyd. That's not for Floyd. No, no. You know what I mean? Anyone still in

00:20:04.080 a TV from target has nothing to do with Floyd. Right. They're just, they're capitalizing on a

00:20:11.240 horrible situation to benefit themselves period. And to be idiots. Right. Like people say, well,

00:20:16.800 they're angry. Like I said before, it doesn't matter if you're angry. Right. It's like, yeah.

00:20:21.940 In what world do we live in where you could say, well, I'm angry. So that's okay that I did X.

00:20:26.920 Really? Exactly. When is that ever allowed?

00:20:30.200 Yeah. That's what I'm talking about with the emotions. You can't allow, you can be angry

00:20:34.540 and still have, well, and, and look, anybody who's protesting, I I've got to, I've got to say,

00:20:40.360 what is your objective, right? Your objective is justice. I think justice is being played out at

00:20:46.200 this point. Uh, your perspective is equal rights. I think that's, uh, that's a fair request.

00:20:53.560 Yeah. Uh, you want to be treated equally among everybody else. Like there's nothing that's,

00:20:58.540 that's, that's right. I agree with that. So do your actions help you in that cause or undermine

00:21:07.200 that cause? Yeah. And a lot of it's being undermined. It is. And it's not by thought and

00:21:12.900 it's not by thoughtful protesters who are trying to fight injustice because those people I want to

00:21:18.380 listen to. Somebody asked me, for example, if I was going to participate in the Tuesday,

00:21:23.760 the blackout Tuesday or whatever it is. I'm already confused. So I pulled up like Instagram

00:21:28.080 this morning. I'm like, okay, why is there black photos? Yeah. So I have no idea even what it is

00:21:34.500 actually. I said, no, I'm not going to participate in that. And I know, I know without fail, people are

00:21:41.160 hearing this now and they're like, oh, well you're a racist and you don't care. No, I do care. I care

00:21:46.280 deeply. I want to make sure all this stuff's being resolved. I've been talking about it for five

00:21:50.400 years about being men of honor and character and leading the kind of lives that we can be proud

00:21:55.340 of. So I've been talking about it for five years, but there's just so many messages that are all

00:22:01.100 getting conflated that it's like, well, what does that mean? Does that mean that I support equal rights

00:22:06.780 for every single American, including our black brothers and sisters? Yeah, I agree with that.

00:22:13.820 Or does it mean I condone looting and rioting? Cause I don't agree with that. So like, I don't even know

00:22:18.900 what that message means right now. So I'm not going to participate. Yes. I'm not going to

00:22:25.800 participate in that. I can see what's your thoughts on this. Cause I, I actually think that, you know,

00:22:32.880 back to Mitch's question a little bit is so much of this is actually laziness of mind. Like

00:22:40.480 everything is way more complex than we, than we give it credit. Right. And, and we have a tendency to

00:22:47.500 like tribalize, you made that reference earlier. Like we jumped to a conclusion or a tribe because

00:22:52.380 that's like the easiest mental thing to do. And it requires too much mental capacity to go,

00:22:58.260 Hmm, let me consider the other point of view, or maybe I don't think that's a play or no,

00:23:02.780 you don't think it's just, I don't think it's laziness. I really don't. I, I just think it's

00:23:07.460 people and including me. I had a, I had a discussion with, with a friend just yesterday. I don't think

00:23:14.600 any, I don't think many people are being lazy. I think they're just so deep. And I say they,

00:23:21.660 but I'm talking about me too. We are so deeply rooted in our belief system, whatever that belief

00:23:28.360 system is, that it is so difficult, if not impossible for us to acknowledge another individual's

00:23:37.420 perspective. Hmm. Yeah. You know, like I'll be frank. Like I've caught myself saying there's no,

00:23:43.360 there's no racism in America. Like we had, we had a black president for eight years.

00:23:47.440 Yeah. And so I pull out and extract one example of why it doesn't exist, but you know what?

00:23:52.920 I've never been singled out by the police. I've, I've never been looked at suspiciously because I,

00:23:58.200 I was walking down the, like, I've never had that. And so for a long time, I thought to myself,

00:24:03.480 well, what are they talking about? I've never experienced any of that. Well, of course I haven't.

00:24:07.500 Yeah. That's my perspective. Right. So it's not laziness. I don't think, I just think it's,

00:24:13.420 we're so firmly rooted in our beliefs that why would I even look at that? It's not that I'm lazy

00:24:21.020 about it. It's that that's not even relevant. Right. Would you like, it would be like saying

00:24:25.940 if somebody doesn't run a marathon, but they, uh, they, they are working on powerlifting and they

00:24:32.680 powerlift every single day that they're lazy because they don't run to train for a marathon.

00:24:37.820 It's like, that's not, that's not their thing. Like it's not laziness. It's just, that's not in

00:24:43.340 their purview right now. That's not what they're interested in. And I think that's more indicative

00:24:46.640 of what's happening. I see. Which I do think that the benefit of this, not the writing and

00:24:52.200 looting, but the protesting is that seems to me, a lot of people are beginning to expand their

00:24:56.960 horizon and their perspective, including myself, which is a good thing, right? It's a good thing.

00:25:00.920 So not the writing and looting that's different, but protesting and the awareness of it is, is a

00:25:06.740 good thing. We can consider other people's perspectives and ultimately we don't have to

00:25:10.020 embrace it. I think there's a lot of things that maybe we ought to consider adopting into our life.

00:25:14.960 You can make that decision for yourself, but at least expanding your, your capacity in your eyes,

00:25:20.600 I think is, is always a good thing. Yeah. What's the, uh, what's the craziness about bricks?

00:25:26.180 Like bricks are showing up places for people to throw them. Yeah. I've seen multiple

00:25:30.900 videos where there's just stacks of bricks that have been delivered on pallets and wrapped and

00:25:35.460 just like set there. It's like, yeah, I saw a video of like guys taking wood pallets and like

00:25:40.980 dropping them off at the target in preparation for catching thing on fire. Oh yeah. And it wasn't,

00:25:46.500 I mean, that's actually, it wasn't the looters that brought them. Oh yeah. See, this is a weird,

00:25:51.360 this is weird, man. Yeah. Really, really strange.

00:25:53.900 Yeah. Well, and, and what I found out too, is that, uh, the cop and Floyd worked together in

00:26:00.240 their, in the past. So they actually know each other. Oh really? Yeah. Man, look that up,

00:26:06.660 man. And you start going, Oh wait, well, hold on. Like these guys have history together.

00:26:11.680 That sounds conspiracy to me. I gotta say it. Hey, it's all about views. It's all about views,

00:26:18.000 baby. I'm going to look it up, but that sounds, that sounds borderline conspiracy. How's this?

00:26:24.300 And let's be honest. We, that's all we do, right. Is regurgitate what we hear. But I, I have read

00:26:30.140 that multiple times that they actually were like security guards or. Oh yeah. From your sister's

00:26:34.500 brother's uncle told you about it or something. Yeah. No, I know both guys actually. No,

00:26:41.120 any chick. I mean, but hypothetically, it's assumed that's accurate. That changes this.

00:26:45.940 A lot. Oh, it changes the narrative for sure. Yeah. Like this, this is a personal dilemma and

00:26:51.200 you know what I mean? It like, you know, don't get me wrong. He's still a cop. He's still held to

00:26:55.260 that standard. Yeah. It doesn't make it okay. Yeah. But interesting, but there's more of a story

00:26:59.420 potentially. There's always more of the story. Always. According to Alex Jones. Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:05.660 All right. Next question. Yeah. Are we good with that? All right. Dave, Dave anonymous. Gents,

00:27:11.740 would it be, uh, would be interested in hearing how you would give teenage kids context to the

00:27:17.140 protests going on across the nation and compare them to the destructive riots that are also happening?

00:27:25.520 Uh, I, you know, I think what you could do is I'm just trying to think about my own kids

00:27:29.840 and the conversations we've had. I think it would be very easy to create an example that they may be

00:27:35.980 familiar with, that they weren't happy with, or they saw some sort of wrong or injustice happening

00:27:40.780 and asking them, would they be willing to stand against that? Yeah. Right. Like if you saw somebody

00:27:46.920 bullied at school and for example, you just let that happen, how would you feel about yourself?

00:27:53.400 Or would you try to draw attention? Would you defend that individual? Yeah. I hope you would.

00:27:57.860 I hope I raised you to do that. Would you, would you speak up against it? Would you report that to

00:28:04.960 the authorities? Would you stand with the people who have been victimized? Like, I hope you would do

00:28:09.400 that stuff. Right. Then you start talking and asking questions about, well, how would you do that?

00:28:15.040 And what would be an appropriate response? What does that look like? Yeah. Would, would you smash

00:28:18.880 the windows at the school? Would you, would you start beating up other people who maybe just didn't

00:28:25.300 necessarily agree with you? Would you, would you steal things from the classroom? You know, so we break it

00:28:31.740 down and we bring it into, I don't know what age group we're talking about here, but you break it

00:28:34.920 down into a context that's relevant. Yeah. Would you fight the other kid that were friends with the

00:28:40.620 kid that was bullying? Right. You make them wrong. Do you attack them? Right. So I think you just,

00:28:46.300 you, you just asked these questions. I had a very uncomfortable conversation with my son the other

00:28:51.620 day. Very uncomfortable conversation. About this? Sex. No, about sex. And that's, I mean, we've had,

00:28:59.380 we've had the birds and the bees, but like this went into a level that I was like, Oh,

00:29:03.620 but it was manageable because Google this and I will give you the answer if you promise. Well,

00:29:10.940 and that's the thing. Most of us just spend an inordinate amount of time avoiding these

00:29:15.080 conversations and they're totally uncomfortable and awkward. But like at the end I walked away

00:29:19.580 and I'm like, I'm really glad that we had that conversation. Yeah. But, um, I just asked him

00:29:25.060 questions. Like I didn't preach to him. Yeah. I just asked him questions. Allowed him to work.

00:29:30.420 What do you know? Like, what do you think? What do you already know? Like, what do I need to explain?

00:29:34.400 What don't I need to explain? Like, what are you coming to this with some preconceived notions? Are

00:29:39.100 you coming with a, with an empty mind and an open slate? Like, I don't know. I got to find that stuff

00:29:43.420 out. Yeah. So I think all of us would just, we would do better in life in general. If we were just,

00:29:49.960 if we were just quicker to ask questions, like I saw, I saw somebody that we both know the other

00:29:55.740 day, he said, I think this morning, in fact, on Facebook, he said, I'm looking for a mentor,

00:29:59.940 any takers. And, and everybody's like, Oh, do this and do that and do this. And here's this and

00:30:05.220 here's that. And I'm like, well, what do you want to do? Yeah. No, no, no. It's like, that's what

00:30:08.920 people were doing. Right. And my question was, Hey, like, what does that mean? What is it? What,

00:30:15.300 what are you after? Right. Allow that individual to clarify so that you can, you can know like,

00:30:21.200 Oh, okay. Well, based on that new information that I didn't have before, here's how I would

00:30:25.900 approach that. I just think learning to be better understanders of people by asking questions

00:30:33.080 in good faith. If you're asking rhetorical questions or bullshit questions or questions

00:30:38.900 that you're trying to trap other individuals or to manipulate them. Yes. That's different. That's,

00:30:43.440 that's not in good faith. And we see that on Facebook all the time, social media, all the time,

00:30:48.540 people asking questions. It's like, come on, it's really, we know they're not really open to hear

00:30:53.400 answers. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Or they're trying to trick you or like you said, manipulate, but yeah,

00:30:58.180 I think just become a great asker of questions. Yeah. When I think that kind of goes to Mitch

00:31:04.920 Jameson's question above, like he mentioned a reference to being a good example to his, his brother.

00:31:09.800 And it's like, sometimes that's just listening, like, especially with family members, right? Like

00:31:14.180 if I have family members that disagree with me on something, I may not debate with them,

00:31:18.900 but I'll understand their perspective. It's actually quite insightful to go, Oh, well,

00:31:23.840 why do you think that? And, and I don't even have to reply. Like, I don't have to go, Oh,

00:31:28.060 well, I see that different because, but why? Yeah. You know, like, yeah, just listen, understand,

00:31:33.760 like be content. And you can understand people without even agreeing with them.

00:31:37.640 Totally. Right. Like, Oh, I, I actually kind of get what you're saying. I don't agree with it,

00:31:42.480 but I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. I think there's a great quote, like a sign of high

00:31:47.280 intelligence is to understand someone's point of view without, without agreeing with it or something.

00:31:52.840 Right. Right. Cool. Interesting. All right. Um, Oh, I have to share the story. It's really funny

00:31:59.840 about the riots and stuff. So Dave asked the context of this kid. So, um, this happened last

00:32:05.680 night. So we have some friends, uh, that are, um, uh, black, right. And my, my daughters are really

00:32:12.420 good friends with the, the other kids. And, uh, Asia was talking with their parents about these riots

00:32:18.140 and everything. And my two daughters, my daughter, Kika goes, so am I black or am I white?

00:32:26.640 She had like, she has no idea. She has like, I know it is. She's like black or white. And then

00:32:31.100 my youngest, the six Kalani goes, I'm not black or white. I'm just really tan.

00:32:38.300 You gotta love the innocence, man. Yeah. And that's their response to this.

00:32:42.420 Right. Cause they don't even understand. They don't even understand the labels that are being

00:32:47.360 right. Right. Cause they're colorblind to it at all. You know, and I just love that.

00:32:51.320 Well, and it's not that they're colorblind. It's that it's just irrelevant.

00:32:55.620 Yeah. It's like here. So here's the, here's one radar. Here's the thing you can do. Okay.

00:33:01.320 Opposite ends of the spectrum. You can be extremely racist. You can be an evil,

00:33:05.660 nasty human being. It can be completely racist or you can pretend like we're all the same.

00:33:12.320 It's like, clearly you're black and clearly I'm white. Like we don't have to avoid saying that or

00:33:20.440 acknowledging that. That's not what we're talking about. But I see people who do that. Like I'm

00:33:25.000 colorblind. I see everybody the same. No, you don't. And it's okay. Yeah. You know, like you, you,

00:33:30.880 you look a certain way. I look a certain way and I'm not trying to compare this, but I had people say,

00:33:35.900 I remember one in particular, I walked in and I had, that's when I had my long beard,

00:33:41.800 I walked into a store and then one of the workers there had like a long beard and they actually

00:33:45.620 looked a lot alike. And another worker came in and was like, do you guys have like, like a secret

00:33:50.500 acknowledgement, like acknowledge each other's beards or whatever. And he's like, the workers

00:33:55.060 like, no, I just like, he's got a beard. I got a beard. Like we both see it. It's not really a big

00:34:00.980 deal. And then we just get back to our interaction. Like we don't ignore it and we don't necessarily

00:34:07.460 need to acknowledge it. It's just, it is what it is. And it's all, it's okay. You know? So

00:34:11.360 that's what I think is like, we don't need to avoid pretending or we don't need to pretend like

00:34:18.380 we're exactly the same. Yeah. You know, like even with cultures, it's like, I'm interested in maybe

00:34:25.860 the Jewish culture, for example, like I'm interested. I'm like, well, what do they do? Like,

00:34:30.120 why do they believe that? Like, I'm curious, but I'm not going to pretend that they believe the

00:34:34.020 same thing I do. Obviously that isn't true. Yeah. But that doesn't mean they're my enemy.

00:34:38.660 I'm not their enemy. Like, I'm just kind of curious, like what, what's the deal? You know?

00:34:43.480 So I think if we have more conversations like that, not where we pretend the differences don't

00:34:47.900 exist, but we just try to understand the differences. I think that's fine. And I think

00:34:51.340 we should be doing those things. Yeah, totally. All right. That was a funny story. It was funny.

00:34:56.680 Yeah. Yeah. You're funny. All right. Keep that. It's funny though. I'm just really tan. That is

00:35:00.860 funny. Kids are awesome. Well, because they've been at the lake a lot. And so my daughters get

00:35:05.180 really dark during the summer. And so she's like, well, I'm just really tan. Well, look, I had one

00:35:10.400 counted. It's funny. So this was years ago. I went to Las Vegas with my wife and my kids were there

00:35:17.880 and I must've been going to meetings or something or a conference. So my wife tells me later what had

00:35:22.960 happened. Well, they went to McDonald's and my oldest son, they were at the McDonald's playground

00:35:27.480 and look in Southern Utah, like it's, it's white. It's all white. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So,

00:35:35.740 so we go to, we go to Las Vegas and, and they're at the playground and he walks up to this little

00:35:40.960 Hispanic girl and he says, hola, real excited. And she looks at him like, you like want to practice

00:35:47.820 in Spanish? Well, she looks at him like, and then she, she answers him in English, says something

00:35:54.220 back to him in English. Yeah. And my son walks up to my wife, his mom. And he's like, that's how you

00:36:00.720 talk to them, mom. And that wasn't about judgment. It wasn't about like, they're different. He was like,

00:36:09.340 I actually want to connect with that individual. So I'm going to make an effort to do it in a way

00:36:14.160 where I could connect with that person. It was innocent right now. Maybe it came across

00:36:18.700 incorrectly, but it was an innocent thought. Like I want to connect with this person. Maybe I

00:36:23.440 should say this because that will help me connect with that individual. It's just a really funny

00:36:27.560 thing. Yeah. It's no different than the, than the American that goes to France and he's trying to

00:36:32.000 speak with, to everybody in French, you know, it's like, and the French are annoyed by him. It's like,

00:36:36.780 he's trying, you know? Yeah. He's trying. It's a, it's a noble effort. Yeah. That's funny.

00:36:41.740 All right. Ron Christopher, if, uh, what if your spouse is not on the same growth path that you are

00:36:48.540 on? What if you shouldn't be tried? Yeah. What if you have tried everything to preside in a manner

00:36:54.400 that, that should bring her along and she means stuck in a, in the fog, assuming there is not a

00:37:00.040 long history of bad blood, uh, and things that would make you a ineffective leader for your family?

00:37:05.620 Look, I don't, I don't know. I don't know the context of this question, but odds are she's not

00:37:12.100 going to be on the same growth path as you. Is, are these iron council questions still? Yeah.

00:37:16.840 Look, there's a bunch of guys in the iron council who have shared values and shared interests,

00:37:21.020 but not a single one of us is on the same path. Yeah. Your path looks different than my path.

00:37:26.200 There's some shared values and some, some, some shared objectives and things, but your path between

00:37:30.840 you and I is different. And if I had the expectation that you needed to do the same thing that I did,

00:37:35.800 and you need to have the same goals and interests and likes and hobbies and activities, and you needed

00:37:41.140 to do it my way. Otherwise you're lazy or you're not a self-starter or you're not on a growth path.

00:37:49.520 Then of course you're inviting contention into your space.

00:37:55.500 Look again, I don't know the context of it. I'm just speaking from what I hear. And maybe instead of

00:38:00.220 making it about her being on your path, which is what it sounds like. Yeah. Maybe help her find

00:38:07.000 her own path. You know, maybe she's not interested in the same things you are and that's okay. But

00:38:13.100 maybe if you found something that she was interested in, she'd be really interested in, in walking down

00:38:18.060 that growth path. There's an infinite number of growth paths. And just because it doesn't look

00:38:21.980 like yours doesn't mean it's wrong. Now that said, I mean, at some point, like if she's not willing

00:38:28.760 to grow at all, you know, she's not really willing to exert anything or try anything,

00:38:34.540 maybe there's some, some counseling that will help. Maybe she, she can't hear it from you for

00:38:39.780 whatever reason. And maybe there's some counseling. She can hear it from somebody else and get involved

00:38:44.080 in somebody else with somebody else, you know, and I'm not romantically. That's not what I'm saying,

00:38:48.580 but get involved with somebody who will help her work through these issues. Right.

00:38:54.540 And I think it's important to provide this clarity. You're saying to help her have a growth mindset of

00:39:00.440 some sort, not be on your growth path, not, not like agreeing with you per se, but just having the

00:39:07.140 mindset of growth. Yeah. Yeah, that's correct. I mean, my wife isn't on my path. Like how boring

00:39:13.200 would that be if she was on the same path I was? Well, you know, but she adds variety and difference

00:39:19.700 and uniqueness and edges to the conversation and rounds things out a little bit in a way too. And

00:39:24.940 it's like, cool. I'm glad that she's on that path because I get to explore things I would have never

00:39:28.980 considered before. Yeah. I had a good conversation with a friend a couple of weeks ago. We were

00:39:37.480 actually chatting very similar subject to this. And, and I really love what he said. And it really

00:39:43.960 kind of like struck me really hard that night when we're talking. And, and one of the things that he

00:39:49.380 mentioned was what a, what a devastating way to look at life when, when it doesn't have growth in

00:39:56.080 it. And, and, and what I'm getting at is not so much the concept of growth mindset, but like

00:40:02.000 we have a tendency to, to pigeonhole people and think that they're set, right? Like, you know,

00:40:08.880 Ron might be looking at his wife and says, well, she's in the fog and, and, and that's final check.

00:40:13.540 It's like right now, but why not give her the freedom of saying, you know, maybe she's in the

00:40:22.200 fog for a while until she figures it out until she grows. Like if we don't, if we don't believe

00:40:28.160 in a world by which people can evolve and change and grow, how devastating is that? Right. And,

00:40:35.420 and we have a tendency to give that to ourselves like, Oh, I can change and evolve and grow,

00:40:39.500 but everyone else we don't. Right. And, and like, we even do it to our kids. Right. Like I have a

00:40:45.880 tendency, like my, my kids make bad decisions and I like pigeonhole them and paint them in a box,

00:40:50.940 like, okay, made bad decisions. Like, Oh, that's how you learn. Right. Or people change the religious

00:40:57.540 beliefs. It's like, Oh, that's final. No, it's not right now in the present. That's where they are,

00:41:02.740 but that it's not final until they're dead. Nothing's final. And so I would really, at least

00:41:09.060 for me, that really puts me, gives me the mindset and has grants me compassion and realize that that

00:41:16.340 path looks drastically different. And there is no final state to any of us until, until this,

00:41:23.860 this world's over for us. And until then it's all about learning experience and growth. And,

00:41:29.820 and sometimes it takes us a while to get on certain paths. And, and I like, I used to always say,

00:41:34.240 Ryan, like you're on the different part of the path, but I kind of like the idea that there's

00:41:38.780 different paths. It's not even the same path. Like, right. It might be parallel, might be a little

00:41:42.940 over there, over there a little bit. And that's, that's okay. And I really do think too, is like,

00:41:48.520 you know, I, I've had some tough relationships in my past and, and I was talking with one of my

00:41:53.060 brothers about, I'm being elusive on purpose. Sorry. But, but I was having this conversation with my,

00:41:57.460 one of my brothers and he's like, how, how have you dealt with that poor relationship?

00:42:01.980 And my response to him was, cause I chose to accept them for the way they are. Like,

00:42:07.740 I don't have any preconceived notions of like, well, they need to be like this, this, this,

00:42:12.380 this, and then I'll love them. Right. I just chose to say, Hey, guess what? They're not going to change

00:42:17.260 or they might change, but I choose to accept them the way they are. How powerful is that to be able

00:42:23.300 to go to your spouse and say, guess what, honey, I support and love you period. Right. And then

00:42:29.220 let's see what growth happens, you know, and it's not based upon some preconceived notions. And I know

00:42:33.740 that's kind of a gray space because now we have boundaries and things that we talk about on the

00:42:37.600 podcast. But yeah, I think, I think you're dead on with that. I think it's, it's important also to

00:42:44.420 acknowledge the things that she does well. You know, sometimes we have a tendency of looking at what

00:42:48.860 other people are doing, expect, especially if we have high expectations of ourselves, we usually

00:42:52.540 have high expectations of other people. Yeah. So, so we put them under this microscope that isn't

00:42:58.500 really fair, right? Because we have these expectations for that individual that don't

00:43:02.880 match with their, their expectations, their reality. So I think it is important to acknowledge

00:43:07.900 when you see encouraging behavior that you, that you celebrate it, that you acknowledge it,

00:43:15.120 that you honor it because naturally people are going to want to do more of that, especially if

00:43:20.080 you're connected and this is your wife and it's likely that she loves you and you love her. And

00:43:23.780 if she hears some gratitude or some appreciation, like you don't think that she's going to be

00:43:29.940 interested in that and respond differently than maybe she has in the past. I think she certainly will.

00:43:34.660 And, and don't you think she might go out of her way to, to do it differently or better? You know,

00:43:41.260 I even think about this with, with making dinner, for example, you know, and people are going to

00:43:46.940 get after me about this because my wife's a homemaker and they're like, Oh, your wife makes

00:43:50.240 you dinner, make your own domineering meal dinner. Yeah. Dude, that's not what it's about.

00:43:56.080 What it's about is that she likes to take care of the house. She enjoys it. She likes to support me.

00:44:04.600 And if part of that means that she likes to make dinner for the family, me included,

00:44:08.380 then there's nothing wrong with that. But if I showed up every night with the attitude of, of

00:44:14.740 expectation or, or a non-grateful attitude, how hyped up do you think she'd be about

00:44:22.200 preparing dinner for the family and having family dinners together?

00:44:26.620 No, but every night when we sit down, I thank her for the meal. We say our prayer. I, I thank God

00:44:32.480 for the food and I thank her for preparing it. And we, we celebrate it and we have, you know,

00:44:37.780 like we're, we're enjoying it and we have fun. Of course, we put up with the kids eating their

00:44:40.760 vegetables like every family does, but you know, like I'm, I'm encouraging because that's the

00:44:46.700 behavior that I appreciate. I like that. I want more of that. I want her to make me dinner.

00:44:50.840 Yeah. I want her to make me lunch. I want like, these are the things I want her to do. Like,

00:44:54.560 so I know it sounds maybe weird from those people who don't get it, who don't understand this

00:44:58.740 perspective of what it, like how this dynamic works when you have a stay at home wife and mother, but

00:45:05.520 like, this is good. I'm honoring her and she enjoys it. And she feels good about it. In fact,

00:45:11.100 I've asked her, she's like, no, I like making dinner for you guys because it makes me feel

00:45:15.040 valuable. It makes me feel appreciated. It makes me feel like I'm contributing to the family dynamic.

00:45:22.940 Yeah. That's all wonderful.

00:45:24.160 It's your expression of love. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

00:45:28.820 Love it. All right. Brandon Stoll, put yourself in the shoes of the people who sat and watched the

00:45:34.320 death of George Floyd. What would you have done? Would a man intervene?

00:45:40.680 I actually saw, this is a good question. I actually saw, saw this question before.

00:45:46.620 Yeah. And I would like to say that, yes, I would have intervened. Like, I would like to have said that.

00:45:52.900 Yeah. But you don't know.

00:45:55.680 Man, that's the thing is like, you don't, what if that guy was your Sergeant? Like he was in charge

00:46:00.800 and you were a new guy on the police force. Does it make it okay? No. I'm just saying like,

00:46:06.100 makes it harder. Like we got to understand the nuances of these things and we have to understand

00:46:12.260 human psychology and there's a herd mentality. And if there's an, if there's a leader or somebody

00:46:16.420 doing something and maybe we have an affinity with that individual, then we think, okay, I can't rock

00:46:20.840 the boat. That guy's, you know, he's in charge or, you know, I want to support him because if I don't

00:46:27.320 support him, then it'll look bad. There's all sorts of little justifications and reasons in our head.

00:46:32.060 And I'm not saying it's okay, guys. I'm not. I'm just saying like, you better know your principles

00:46:37.440 before you get into the position where they're going to be tested. You better know what you're

00:46:41.640 going to stand up for and what you won't before it happens. Because if you haven't identified it,

00:46:46.120 you're going to allow those justifications and rationalizations to get the better of you and

00:46:51.500 keep you from doing what you normally would do. But I'm just telling you, human psychology is a

00:46:57.700 very interesting thing. And many of us who are saying, Oh, I would, I would have done this

00:47:01.960 would not in fact do that. They would do the opposite of it for whatever reason. So

00:47:07.120 you need to know what you stand for. You need to have some convictions. You need to know what you're

00:47:11.540 willing to do, what you're not willing to do. Uh, and, and if you make those decisions,

00:47:16.120 now it'll be much easier when you're faced with a situation that you don't like that you don't

00:47:20.980 approve of, but you got to make those decisions ahead of time. Yeah. And it helps you have some

00:47:26.280 compassion too, because don't be so naive to say, Oh, I would have jumped in. It's like,

00:47:31.700 like, and maybe this is one of those dangerous scenarios, right? It's all try to be careful

00:47:37.600 when I say this, but I don't even know the cop's name, but hypothetically replace him with a good

00:47:43.600 friend of yours. Right. That's someone you really like that you respect. And this is out of 100%

00:47:50.320 out of character. And then this happens. Yep. Like, Holy crap. Now you got a way drastic different

00:47:58.300 scenario where like, that's your, that's your friend. Like this is out of character, but maybe

00:48:03.140 something else is going on and you're not quite sure. And the changes things, man. Yeah.

00:48:08.900 Yeah. But it's so easy for us to have hindsight 2020 and look at this and go, Oh, I would have,

00:48:14.100 yeah, whatever. I think, I, I think a lot of us, we can be hypothetical, but we don't know

00:48:19.620 unless we are actually placed in the circumstance. Right. And it doesn't, again, it doesn't make it

00:48:24.780 okay. You know, I actually saw a video just a day or two ago of another, it was a, it was a rioter

00:48:29.840 or a protest. I don't know. Um, and there is a distinction, but a police officer had him down on

00:48:34.960 the ground, two police officers had him down on the ground and he was cuffed. And one of the

00:48:39.840 officers had his knee on the guy's neck, just like this incident with George Floyd. Yeah. And the

00:48:44.800 other arresting officer, he was fiddling with his hands, getting the, the, uh, restraints on.

00:48:50.280 And he just grabbed the officer's knee and like pulled it off of it and like put it onto his

00:48:54.680 shoulder or his back or something. You know, I'm like, well, that's good. That's exactly what

00:48:59.880 needed to happen. He saw something that, that shouldn't have happened. He had just, he made the

00:49:04.620 correction and made the adjustment. Why did he do that? Okay. Look, here's the interesting thing.

00:49:10.360 If the incident with George Floyd didn't happen, would that police officer have corrected that

00:49:17.920 behavior? We don't know. The only reason I think that not, maybe not the only, but one of the reasons

00:49:25.060 he corrected that behavior, because it was in the forefront of his mind. Holy shit. This guy's got his

00:49:29.280 knee on that guy's neck. I got to move that. Yeah. Which means that he paid attention to it

00:49:35.020 before the situation. And that's the point I'm making. You have to know what you're going to do

00:49:40.040 before the situation arises, which means you need to, the term that I like, it makes a lot of sense

00:49:45.200 is war game. These things. Yep. You got to think about, okay, if I was robbed, if I was mugged,

00:49:51.200 if I was faced with something I didn't like, if I saw racism, what would I say? How would I deal with it?

00:49:55.600 How would I approach somebody I love and care about if they said something out of line or did

00:49:59.880 something that I didn't agree with? You better start working that stuff out in your mind right

00:50:03.720 now. Cause when the day comes and you're going to be tested, you're just going to fall back on

00:50:09.300 the default and the default might not be behavior that now where you're not in it would be behavior

00:50:15.700 you're, you would condone. Yeah. Which is, it's a form of psychological training. And then you take

00:50:20.760 that same principle and you apply it to the cops and say, now it's just about training, right? Like,

00:50:25.460 I don't know. We could probably ask. I actually know a couple of guys that do some of this

00:50:29.720 training for officers, but it's like, is this part of their training regimen? Right? Is this like

00:50:34.400 part of the ways that they maintain control over individuals and knee on the neck? Like,

00:50:38.080 did he follow his training? You know what I mean? And, and, or if he got hyped up because he had a

00:50:44.020 huge adrenaline rush, how do you deal with that? You can actually train that out. You know, this,

00:50:50.040 like I've never seen a black belt in jujitsu that had a huge amount of pride and has a huge

00:50:55.300 adrenaline rush. Why? Because it's been beat out of them. Right? Like they're so humble and calm in

00:51:01.000 the circumstance. Was this guy humble and calm? Maybe he wasn't like how much of this has to do

00:51:07.440 with training as well. Like it's just, and once again, like I hate that we have to keep saying it,

00:51:11.860 but it's like, I'm not condoning anything, but it's like, when you look at the circumstances,

00:51:15.520 it's, it, it comes back to training of the mind, training of the body, what kind of training the

00:51:22.140 officers are getting. I mean, so much is at play that, that really affects the outcomes of these

00:51:27.420 circumstances, I think. Well, and I also think it's valuable, again, not as a justification or

00:51:32.420 rationalization, but I think it's valuable to put ourselves in these scenarios. You know,

00:51:36.020 what if I was that person, what would I do? That's a great question to ask because you might be in that

00:51:42.180 situation at some point or something similar to it. And I don't know the question for like

00:51:46.000 Brandon's question. Like if I were a spectator, would I rush the cop to get him off his neck?

00:51:51.960 Probably not. You know, and I know that sounds horrible because then this guy's life would be

00:51:57.380 on, on me a little bit because I could have done something, but I don't know. Like I've never,

00:52:03.200 to be honest with you, I didn't read this question ahead of time. So I don't know. Like I actually want to

00:52:06.900 like kind of work through this, my, through my mind a little bit and think, well, you know,

00:52:10.860 what would I do? And I think that's an exercise that all of us could do. And that would change

00:52:17.120 the dynamic of what we see is like, would we behave the same way? If you're not willing to

00:52:21.100 evaluate it and critically ask yourself objectively how you would behave, then I think, I hate to say

00:52:27.360 it like this, but I think you're missing out on what could become an opportunity for growth and

00:52:31.380 expansion. Yeah, totally. I mean, people were communicating, obviously, you know, trying to

00:52:36.980 convince the officers to, you know, to get off his neck, to get off his back. So people are doing

00:52:41.020 something right. But to what extent, right? Yeah. Good question, Brandon. All right. Anonymous

00:52:46.880 Instagram, just really quick, Mr. 20 bucks. 20. Is that all it is? I would have started higher.

00:52:54.700 Oh, higher. Okay.

00:52:55.720 Now we're going to bid. We're going to bid for the best questions. All right. This is a little

00:53:01.460 COVID related. Yeah. That's funny how that's like, oh, wait, I forgot about the whole COVID-19

00:53:07.460 thing once people started burning down cities. Yeah, isn't that interesting? That's an interesting

00:53:09.960 thing. All right. I work as a nurse and recent events have highlighted many issues with the hospital

00:53:17.660 leadership. We're on the verge of forming a union and giving ourselves a voice, but there's a real

00:53:22.780 need for leadership. At the same time, I'm worried that being at the front of this could lead to a

00:53:28.120 backlash with my management for obvious reasons. How do I lead the charge to elicit real change while

00:53:34.020 also minimizing the chances of facing retribution? I don't know what change you're talking about.

00:53:40.280 So it's hard for me to say, well, here's what I would do. I just don't know what change you're

00:53:43.980 talking about just because I'm not in the thing, but look. Yeah. But it obviously sounds like a

00:53:48.760 challenge, right? Obviously a challenge to what management is asking.

00:53:52.780 Right. I mean, they don't want you to form a union and there's pros and cons on both sides

00:53:57.740 of that debate, that argument, right? Because unions can be weaponized against private companies

00:54:05.040 just as easily as they could be formed to help the members of the union. So it's like it could go

00:54:10.300 either way. Right. But here's the nature of leadership. You're going to rock the boat.

00:54:20.100 Like you don't get to have both. Yeah. Right. You don't get to say, well, I'm going to do something

00:54:25.460 that's challenging, but how do I do it without them feeling like I'm challenging him? That's what

00:54:30.100 you're doing by design. You don't approve of the way something is being handled. So you're deliberately

00:54:37.120 and intentionally, whether you're right or wrong is irrelevant, but you're deliberately

00:54:41.700 and intentionally doing something to challenge the status quo.

00:54:46.820 So how can you ask, well, how do I do it without them feeling challenged? You can't,

00:54:53.940 they're going to feel challenged. And you need to ask yourself if you're willing to die on the hill.

00:55:00.160 If the answer is, yeah, I'm willing to do that, then get after it. If the answer is, no, I'm not

00:55:08.460 willing to die on that hill. I'm not willing to lose my job over it. Then you're barking up the wrong

00:55:12.480 tree, man. Like I wish it was pretty. I wish it was, you know, sugarcoated. And it's like, oh, well,

00:55:18.740 if you say this one thing and do this one thing, then you can no risk, but also get the reward.

00:55:24.080 Right. Now I'm not saying that there aren't things that you can talk about where, you know, maybe,

00:55:29.940 maybe some of your strategy will actually help, will improve the work environment, will improve the

00:55:35.840 situation. If you can get an ally and leadership, then that's a, that's a strategy that you can

00:55:40.120 employ. Look at, look at it from their perspective. You know, what, what is it that would be in their

00:55:45.780 best interest? And if you approach it from that angle, Jocko would say flank them, right? You approach

00:55:50.940 it from that angle. Now you have an ally, you don't have an enemy. So there are little things

00:55:54.900 that you can do like that, but you don't get to absolve yourself of, of the, the potential

00:56:00.360 consequence that comes with doing something that's going to rock the boat. It's just, it's just the

00:56:05.060 nature of it. So in the meantime, I would be building up my network within the medical community.

00:56:10.200 I would be exploring other opportunities for jobs in maybe more hospitable environments that,

00:56:17.300 that are going to be conducive to what it is you're trying to accomplish. So you're not,

00:56:20.940 without leaving yourself an escape route and, and, and hanging yourself, right? You can do this in a

00:56:26.140 way that, that, that could be effective, but yeah, you just try to build an ally, try to see it from

00:56:33.040 their perspective, try to frame what you're doing. If you've decided to go this route from the

00:56:37.200 perspective of how it's going to serve them. And that's what you can do. Yeah. I'd just be careful

00:56:42.480 not to demonize and attack the individual, but like keep, keep the mission upfront and clear in your

00:56:49.000 mind of why you're doing this and make it about the mission. Don't make it about attacking the

00:56:53.020 individual or like they're wrong or they demonize that are trying to do, don't go into that space.

00:56:57.660 Right. Then you're just attacking people because I really feel that like I could have an employee

00:57:02.960 come rock the boat, but if their intentions are pure, like, Hey, this is about just becoming more

00:57:08.500 effective as a team and it's not like an attack against me per se, then that's that, that will

00:57:14.940 ring true and genuine, you know, and out of, and I could have some respect to that. So, so try not to

00:57:22.720 attack them. Don't attack me or I choke you out with your Chanel shirt on with my Chanel shirt. I thought

00:57:31.980 you didn't know what Chanel was. You told me what it was. Whatever. That's the first thing you said

00:57:41.020 on the podcast. Someone buy Ryan some Chanel cologne. Do the Chanel make cologne or is it just

00:57:47.380 perfumes? I don't know. Mike Collins, let me get you a Chanel beard oil. Yeah. All right. Mike Collins,

00:57:57.880 do you just take a leap of faith and put your family into short-term debt for a long-term gain

00:58:02.780 when it comes to going back to school for a higher degree? Thoughts on this? No, you don't do that.

00:58:10.140 Look, your, your degree, it might be relevant and it might be worthy of pursuit, but your family's

00:58:14.640 more important than that. Like you, you, you already made a commitment. You signed on the dotted line

00:58:21.300 and says, I will honor you. I'll respect you. We'll do this together. We're going to, you've already

00:58:25.320 you've already made that commitment. So I'm not saying school's out of the picture. I'm not saying

00:58:30.240 that I'm saying you get on the same page with your wife and you start working through this. You start

00:58:35.500 having the discussions. You start talking about the sacrifices that not only you will need to make,

00:58:40.600 but that she will need to make if you're going to pursue this and you get on the same page so that

00:58:45.800 she knows what's up. You know, what's up. There's timetables, there's expectations. There's some

00:58:51.900 boundaries that are going to be implemented and upheld. Uh, there's some deep conversations that

00:58:57.360 are going to need to be had and everybody knows their role in this thing. But right now it sounds

00:59:02.440 like I'm the boss. I'm going to do it. And just if my family, you know, like my family's just going

00:59:09.480 to have to understand. Good luck with that. Cause they ain't going to understand. Yeah. She's not

00:59:14.720 going to understand. She's going to be pissed maybe rightfully so. And your kids may not be pissed,

00:59:19.660 but they're going to grow up wondering why dad wasn't around. Not, Oh, he was trying to go to

00:59:24.580 school to better himself. No, dad wasn't at my baseball game. Yeah. It's yeah. Translation. He

00:59:29.720 doesn't love me is what they'll, is what their story is going to be. So I'm not saying don't go

00:59:35.100 to school. I'm not saying that I'm saying, think about how you go about doing it and think about how

00:59:42.120 you can involve them in the process of it. So they see it as a family mission versus, Hey,

00:59:47.380 here's dad's thing he wants to do. How can you enlist them in the cause and enlist them in the

00:59:52.460 fight? What is there going to be their role? What are they going to have to sacrifice? Cause we know

00:59:56.560 you're going to have to make sacrifices, but what are their sacrifices? Are they willing to take,

01:00:01.840 make those sacrifices? And sometimes, yeah, with kids, you need to make an executive decision,

01:00:06.200 right? Like when we moved here to Maine, which was two days ago, exactly one year, believe it or not.

01:00:11.800 We took into consideration our kids' perspectives, but they didn't get a vote.

01:00:17.400 Yeah. But gave them a voice, a voice, right. And we wanted to know, and we, we address their

01:00:22.280 concerns that they still have. We talk about those things, but they don't get a vote. My wife,

01:00:27.280 she gets a vote, right? So you got to get her on the same page, whatever that page looks like.

01:00:33.760 Okay. Travis waiter thoughts on discovering what business you really want to open. I have a lot of

01:00:38.920 skills, but can't seem to decide on which direction to aim at.

01:00:43.120 Uh, I think you're focused on the wrong thing. Yeah. You're focused on the final result, which is

01:00:48.820 like, well, how much money can I make? And is this sustainable? Will I be happy? And that's why

01:00:55.360 you see so many options. That was not necessarily bad. Yeah. Is that why? Okay. I think so. I think

01:00:59.840 you're putting a cart before the horse a little bit. I mean, people, people are making money and

01:01:04.400 careers doing some dumb shit. So you can't really say that there isn't anything out there that you

01:01:10.040 can make a lot of money doing. And, and I mean, order of an, like who would have thought, like,

01:01:13.720 all I do is talk with people all day. Crazy. Yeah. And it's very lucrative, right? Like you can do

01:01:20.420 anything. Okay. So I think you ought to back up. And instead of saying like, wow, I can't pick one,

01:01:26.400 just pick one that sounds interesting to you and just take one step. Yeah. Don't go take out a

01:01:33.540 $200,000 loan and go secure a four-year lease on a build. No, just one step. You know, if you want

01:01:41.920 to, if you want to build an apparel company, I don't know, I'm just pulling that out of thin air.

01:01:45.840 Don't go buy all the screen printing stuff and spend $300,000 on all the equipment and the

01:01:51.780 technology. No, just work with Teespring. Yeah. It's going to be a little bit more expensive.

01:01:57.360 Quality is going to suffer, but go see if you can sell 10 shirts. Yeah. And then when you can sell 10,

01:02:02.700 see if you can do 20 and you can do 20, see if you can do 200. Oh, you know what? I'm doing 200

01:02:08.400 now. Maybe I should invest in my own inventory. Okay. Now what shirt should I, oh, that, that,

01:02:14.900 that seems to be a good shirt. Do I need a designer so I can hire a designer, a freelance guy. Maybe I

01:02:19.340 bring them on for, for, for a certain amount of work per month or just case by case basis.

01:02:24.280 You just start working into these things. And that's what I've done with order of man. That's

01:02:27.940 what I did with my financial planning practice. And that seemed to work. You know, I know there's

01:02:34.820 a lot of companies like startup companies and, and like, you know, angel investors that come and

01:02:39.840 invest, you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. Look, that's not you. I mean,

01:02:45.880 maybe it is like, I guess it could be, but if you're looking for the million dollar idea, I would

01:02:51.380 just say, why don't you just get to work on the one thing that sounds remotely interesting to you.

01:02:55.220 And here's the thing. If, if go back to apparel, if you go down the apparel route and you sell

01:03:01.080 200 shirts and you're like, oh, cool. I did it, but I didn't really enjoy it. You're not out

01:03:06.080 anything. You actually have more money in your bank account than you had before. And you've got

01:03:10.080 a whole bunch of experience that will translate into something else. I started another podcast

01:03:14.920 before order of man. And I did about 20 episodes. Have you ever heard me say I wasted time doing

01:03:20.960 20 episodes with this wealth anatomy podcast? Never. And you never will hear me say that.

01:03:25.460 Because it wasn't a waste of time. That's where I cut my teeth in the world of podcasting.

01:03:29.980 And so people say, oh, Ryan, you're so good at this. No, I'm not good at it. I've just done it a

01:03:36.180 bunch. And it all stemmed from something that could be perceived as a failure. Yeah. Totally.

01:03:43.360 Like it. All right. Uh, Michael Jetter, what are your thoughts on robo investor, like wealth front?

01:03:53.440 Uh, well, I, I like that they take the, well, basically what they, what they're good for is

01:04:01.160 they take the cost and the emotion out of it. That's what they do. Are you familiar with what,

01:04:07.000 what like a robo? Okay. So basically you take, take funds, like we talked about earlier, broadly

01:04:13.440 diversified, low turnover funds, and you have an algorithm that's doing all of the work for you,

01:04:20.180 like a wealth front or a betterment, I think is another one. Um, and, and that way you're not like,

01:04:26.440 you're not actively involved in the process, tinkering and jacking things up and going on

01:04:32.420 your emotions. You're just letting a robo advisor do it. Cost are low. Turnover is low. It's a lot

01:04:37.980 of value. How, how often is that, that is it like a one-time calculation to determine investments or is

01:04:44.100 it changing on a regular basis or? Uh, it's different, but let's say I wanted to, I wanted to

01:04:50.840 sign up for wealth front. I'm sure that I go through some online questionnaire about my risk tolerance

01:04:55.540 and my objectives and how much I can contribute and whether it's a lump sum or a reoccurring

01:05:00.200 monthly deposit, things like that. Yeah. You're going to fill this questionnaire out and it says,

01:05:04.620 okay, based on your risk tolerances and everything else, here's what we would recommend. Do you want

01:05:09.180 to put your money here? And I click yes. And boom, there it goes. Right. Or they give me a, a list.

01:05:13.880 There's like, here's fund a, and this is for long-term growth and here's fund B. And this is for

01:05:18.120 short-term growth, which is, you know, five years or whatever. They just give me

01:05:21.800 some scenarios. Based upon the numbers. Yeah. Based upon my inputs. Yeah. Okay. The downside.

01:05:29.740 And if, if look, if you can do that, all the power to you, but I don't think many people can do it.

01:05:37.060 I know, I know a handful of people who can do it. Meaning they're disciplined to let it be,

01:05:41.460 to let it, to leave it alone. Yeah. Because while people have lost a lot of money in the market,

01:05:47.540 I shouldn't even say it that way. Their portfolio has declined drastically over the past six months.

01:05:53.820 And most people are freaked. They're afraid. So what do they do when they're afraid?

01:05:59.040 They sell everything off when they should be buying more of it. And everybody knows it.

01:06:04.340 Everybody knows it. If I said, what's the first rule of investing? Everybody'd say buy low,

01:06:07.620 sell high. Everybody knows it. Nobody does it because their emotions are very, very powerful.

01:06:15.180 So the robo advisors help you get over that by just automating everything. But you are, I promise

01:06:23.300 you, you are going to be tempted when your neighbor says, Oh man, I just lost 40%, bro. You,

01:06:28.700 you should really get out of the market. Or this is another one I hear. Oh, your, your portfolio

01:06:34.660 only gets 10%. Well, my got 18% last year. You should do what I do. And the neighbor, because he

01:06:40.680 doesn't want to be outdone because of his ego, he's like, well, this only got 10. I'm going to

01:06:45.200 put mine over there. And he puts it in the 18% fund and he loses his ass the next year.

01:06:50.740 Because two things, your neighbor was lying to you because he's got an ego too.

01:06:56.920 Yeah. And number two, the market is not predictable. It's cyclical. So if you're just

01:07:01.700 picking last year's winners, you're going to lose. Like you can probably do that with some degree

01:07:07.120 of accuracy when it comes to sports, for example, like you kind of know, Hey, this year, these are

01:07:12.540 going to be the top five, top 10 teams based on talent, based on people coming back, based on the

01:07:17.280 program and the coaching. You can take that stuff into consideration, but in the market, no, there's

01:07:22.760 just so much uncertainty. Who knew there's going to be a global pandemic? Yeah. Nobody knew that.

01:07:29.040 And no one could have predicted that. Oh, this one guy predicted it. That's what we call the law of

01:07:33.300 large numbers. There's a billion prognosticators out there. And all it takes is for one of them

01:07:39.680 to be right. And he gets to say, see, I was right. I was right. I predict this. I knew there was going

01:07:45.300 to be a market crash. Yeah. 10 billion people were making different predictions. You just happened to

01:07:50.640 win the lottery this time. You can't do it again. You won't be able to do it again. So you got to be

01:07:56.280 careful of, of, of picking based on what people are telling you. Cause they're probably lying. Cause

01:08:01.340 they have egos as well. Like your neighbor's not going to come to you and say, Oh, Kip. Oh man,

01:08:05.860 I just lost my ass in the stock market. I lost, you know, 18%. How's your portfolio doing? And you're

01:08:11.300 like, Oh, it's done pretty good. I got 10, 5%, whatever. Like he's going to start lying

01:08:15.800 because of his ego. And then you're going to make decisions, not based in reality, but based on his

01:08:22.260 emotions, his ego. So the point I'm making here is that if you can do it, cool. If you can't,

01:08:29.200 then you need to hire a financial advisor. Who's not necessarily managing your money as much as

01:08:36.440 they're managing you. You are the one that needs to be managed because all the advisors have all

01:08:42.080 the access to the same information, the same funds, everything else. It's you who need to be coached,

01:08:47.460 not your money. Yeah. Okay. Joshua Shoebridge. Do you have any advice for those who have found a

01:08:56.060 friend or a family member's suicide? Found, found a family or friend who's committed suicide?

01:09:03.260 Yeah.

01:09:07.160 I don't know, man. I've never, I've never experienced, I mean, I've had people close to me who have,

01:09:12.700 who have killed themselves. My brother-in-law, in fact, my sister found him.

01:09:17.540 Um, no, I don't, I, I don't, I don't know what to say. Like, honestly, I don't, I don't like anything

01:09:27.740 I would say would be inaccurate. I just, I just don't know. I mean, I would say if, if you're tore

01:09:34.500 up about it and you're having a hard time with it and rightfully so that you ought to get some

01:09:37.620 professional help, that's what I would say is that's my advice. And I'm not trying to be dismissive

01:09:45.440 of it. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I would, I would get seek medical professional help

01:09:52.240 to work through some of these issues by somebody who's qualified and trained to work you through

01:09:57.500 some of this process. I don't, I'm not qualified to do that. Yeah. And I don't know. I've never

01:10:02.920 experienced it. I just don't know. That would be horrific. I don't ever want to experience that.

01:10:06.240 Well, and I'm sure you're like in your example, like she struggled, you know what I mean? With

01:10:11.500 that imagery in her head. And of course, probably still struggles with it. Yeah. Yeah. I've had some

01:10:17.640 friends that it's still struggling even today. Yeah. It's a struggle. So that's why you need to

01:10:23.300 talk with somebody who's educated and trained in having these types of conversations. And look,

01:10:30.180 if you put something like that on Facebook, for example, like just think about the shit storm

01:10:35.480 you're starting, like, Oh, you should do this and you should do that. And you should do this. Like

01:10:38.300 these people have no idea. They don't know your situation. They don't know what you're going

01:10:42.960 through. They don't know the connection you had with this individual. They don't know your,

01:10:46.540 your mentality and your mindset or your story. Your story. I mean, right. They don't know any of

01:10:52.820 that stuff. So you need to talk with somebody who knows how to get to the root of it so they can

01:10:58.780 work you through it. That's what you need. And by the way, that's not a, that's not a weakness.

01:11:04.400 Like imagine this for a second. Okay. Let's say that you wanted to be,

01:11:09.400 you wanted to play in the NFL. Okay. You're, you're a young guy, you're, you're in high school

01:11:15.860 and you're, you're a great football player and you want to go to college and you want to go play in

01:11:21.720 the NFL. Like that's your goal. Would anybody ever say that if you hired a professional coach to help

01:11:30.040 you build strength and speed and technique and work your form and work your drills so that you

01:11:36.880 could achieve your goal, would anybody ever say you're weak? You need to hire a coach to help you

01:11:44.820 achieve your goals, man. You're weak, idiot. Nobody would ever say that. And yet there's the stigma

01:11:51.660 that says, Hey, like I need to get out of my own head. I need to make sure this is operating

01:11:56.520 correctly and working at maximum capacity so I could achieve my goals and my desires. And I have

01:12:02.320 this little kink because I experienced this thing. So I'm going to go to a coach who's trained to help

01:12:07.700 me clear all this stuff up so that I can go on and drive on with my life and be the kind of husband

01:12:12.260 and father and leader in my community that I want to be. And that people need me to be.

01:12:16.300 That's not a weakness, man. That's like you caring about yourself and also caring about other people

01:12:23.760 because you want to serve them. So you want to get everything right here. Hiring a coach or in this

01:12:28.600 case, a therapist is not weakness. It's actually doing the right thing. So I know there's a stigma

01:12:35.040 associated with it. Like, Oh, I should just be able to get through this. Why? And you, by the way,

01:12:41.060 you will get through it. If you bring in a therapist to help you work through some, you will

01:12:46.520 get through it. And you could struggle through it on your own probably too, because you are strong

01:12:50.380 enough to do that, but you don't have to do it that way. And it's not even the advisable way to do

01:12:55.120 it. Not as effective as it could be. Yeah, totally. Gus JD, business growth goals for 2020.

01:13:03.280 Mine? Yeah. My goals for 2020. Well, I don't plan on year terms like that, but you know, if we look

01:13:12.220 into what we're doing here for this year, it's to bring the events, the face-to-face events back

01:13:17.380 online or offline, I should say. Yeah. Like get those going, which we do have the dates for. I think

01:13:22.780 we wrote these down. So September 3rd through the 6th is our father-son event. And I think we have five

01:13:27.540 or eight spots left with that. And then October 9th through the 11th is our main event. And I think we

01:13:32.240 have maybe 10 spots and this is only because people weren't able to make the new dates. So

01:13:36.860 again, it's September 3rd through the 6th for legacy, which is sold out originally. Yeah. And

01:13:42.780 then October 9th through the 11th for the main event. So it's, so it's that then it's to bring

01:13:48.120 our achievements and advancements into the iron council. And then it's to continue to spread the

01:13:52.780 message. And part of the way that we've actually spread the message is working with warrior poet society

01:13:56.820 too. So we've, we've, we've teamed up with them for their new warrior poet society network.

01:14:02.240 Uh, and I have an exclusive show over there where we're talking and discussing and doing much of

01:14:06.740 the same thing we're doing here, but it's all exclusive. It's new content, exclusive stuff

01:14:10.560 just for those guys. So you can check on their platform and their, their, their platform. So it's

01:14:15.500 not censored. It's not on YouTube. It's not on social media. It's not, there's no risk of it coming

01:14:21.040 down. It's all right there. It's all available. And it's not influenced by these social media giants

01:14:26.800 and, and the powers that be. So you can check that out. Order of man.com slash WPSN warrior

01:14:34.360 poet society network. Cool. Sounds good. Let's take a one or two more. Okay. Okay. I'm good for

01:14:40.580 one more. If you, or if you're good with that, uh, Samuel Tyler, I work in a newsroom. So, so

01:14:47.080 major culture and political issues are in front of all of us all the time. I'm outnumbered as the

01:14:52.560 only conservative. How do I represent my views faithfully without compromising or being divisive

01:14:59.720 or combative? I think you need to be so good. Cause you're outnumbered. I think you need to be so

01:15:07.180 good in every other area that they respect you. Anytime you open your mouth, even if it's something

01:15:13.020 they don't agree with. Now you're going to run into people who are, who, who, who are bigots, who,

01:15:18.780 who won't accept any of that just because that's the way they are. But I think even in the, the media

01:15:25.100 industry, I would say that a large percentage of people are still reasonable, still able to have

01:15:33.140 conflicting ideas. I still, they're there. So you need to do your work faithfully. You need to be kind

01:15:40.300 and empathetic. You need to be an achiever. You need to help people. You need to be a team member and a

01:15:45.380 teammate and help them hit assignments and, and, and pick up stories. Like you need to be so good

01:15:50.540 in all of that area that anytime something political gets brought up or you need to make a point,

01:15:56.380 they're like, Oh yeah, let's hear what, what was this guy's name? Samuel. Samuel. Let's, what do you

01:16:01.380 have to say, Samuel? And even though it might be different than what they, they believe they know

01:16:05.320 you to be such a good person, a high upstanding member of the team that they may not embrace what you

01:16:12.480 say, but at least they'll accept it and they'll entertain it. Yeah. Cool. All right. Last question.

01:16:21.100 What do we have to add to this one? Jason Schmidt is writing a legitimate form of protest or just an

01:16:26.000 excuse to destroy things and loot? You have to add, I mean, the short answer is no, it's not a legitimate.

01:16:34.560 It's, it's not a legitimate form at all. It's, it's evil. It's criminal. It's violent and it's

01:16:42.540 undermining what you need to do or what you want, what you say you want. So the, the, the short answer

01:16:48.480 is no, it's not legitimate. The long answer is what do you want? Yeah. What do you want?

01:16:58.720 Black people want to be treated equally, reasonable request.

01:17:04.560 So what it, and I'm not going to say what the course of action, I'm just going to have

01:17:08.280 everybody who's listening, choose your own course of action. That's going to align best

01:17:13.040 with your objective. And I'm just going to go out and say that looting and writing and being

01:17:19.500 violent and beating people up and, and the things that are happening are not helping that cause.

01:17:27.120 They're undermining it. It's, it's, it is not okay. It's disgusting. It's despicable. And there's

01:17:35.160 no excuse for it. Just like we talked about earlier. Well, they're, they're emotional. They're

01:17:38.720 upset and peaceful protest didn't work. So you can, you can destroy people's property that have nothing

01:17:46.160 to do with what, what you're experiencing. You can beat people up and kill people because they're

01:17:53.980 driving down the road. Like I don't, or defending their store. No, no, that is not acceptable.

01:18:03.380 And it's not what, what was the term he used? A legitimate, what did you say?

01:18:07.880 A legitimate form of protesting.

01:18:09.400 No, no, it's not. It's not protesting. It's writing and looting. Protesting is something

01:18:14.460 different. Yeah. There you go. All right. Got it in the books. All right. Submit your future

01:18:25.760 questions onto the Facebook group. That's facebook.com slash group slash order of man. And of course you

01:18:31.460 can find, learn more about the iron council, our exclusive brotherhood at order of man.com slash iron

01:18:36.640 council just to reiterate those dates really quick. So September 3rd through the 6th is the legacy

01:18:42.380 event. That's our father and son event to learn more, go to order of man.com slash legacy. And then

01:18:48.260 the main event is October 9th through the 11th. And we have a number of spots open, but just to be

01:18:55.380 really clear, this sold out already. So the fact that there's openings is kind of like a little bit of

01:19:01.400 bonus ad for you guys that were not able to, uh, jump in and reserve a spot iron council members

01:19:08.000 that attend the main event. We'll have an iron council dinner, the night of the eighth to learn

01:19:13.680 more, go to order of man.com slash main event. And of course that's the state main on the spelling.

01:19:20.420 Okay. Support the podcast, YouTube, uh, whatever podcast tool you're using. Yeah. I like, uh,

01:19:30.520 Instagram. Well, I was good. I was, I was trying to think of the warrior poet society network name.

01:19:36.980 Oh yeah. Order of man.com slash WPSN. WPSN. I'll write that down. So yeah, write that down.

01:19:44.920 All right, guys, we appreciate you. I know it's a crazy times, man. If there isn't a time

01:19:49.740 that, that, that masculinity is needed, then I, you know, I don't know what is,

01:19:54.000 this is the time where it's needed now more than ever. Um, think about the virtues that you espouse,

01:19:58.360 that you want to espouse, that you want to teach. Think about shared principles that we all ought to

01:20:02.840 operate by. Um, and just go out there and do your part, do what's in your heart, know what you stand

01:20:07.980 for, know what you don't and protect yourselves, protect other people, look after people, do the right

01:20:13.380 thing and we'll get through it. We'll get through it. It'll be painful, but we'll come together.

01:20:17.940 Yep. All right, guys, we'll see you next week. Go out there, take action, become the man you are

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Order of Man - June 03, 2020

Entertaining Conflicting Ideas, Knowing What You Stand For, and Putting the Mission First ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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