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00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.460 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.240 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kit Sorensen, glad to have you back, man.

00:00:27.580 It's good to be back. It's good to be stateside. Yeah. Were you in India? Is that right?

00:00:31.980 Yeah. I was in India. You went over for Trump's rally, right?

00:00:34.540 Yeah. In fact, I was in the same exact city I showed up the day after, luckily, because I'm

00:00:40.480 assuming traffic would have been just chaos. It looked like an insane turnout. I don't know

00:00:44.640 how many people were there. A hundred, a hundred thousand. Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people

00:00:48.820 in the world's largest, I guess, cricket stadium. I was going to ask, was it soccer, but cricket?

00:00:55.660 Cricket. All right. Yeah. It was a really large club stadium.

00:00:57.460 Don't know much about cricket. Just play baseball. It's the better sport anyways.

00:01:02.240 The funny part, so years back, I visited a team over in India and they wanted to play cricket. It

00:01:09.440 was me and one other American guy. We went out to the park and they're like, yeah, let's play

00:01:15.480 cricket. They showed us the rules. It was actually quite fun, but I could not let the ball bounce,

00:01:20.980 right? So, cause you're, you hit off of a bounce. Off a bounce. Right. Yeah. And I just constantly

00:01:26.600 just like stepped up and then try to like hit a home run. I could not like swing it how you're

00:01:34.640 supposed to at all. Those guys are like this American dumbass. What is he doing here? 1.00

00:01:38.460 I know. Totally. Like you're doing it wrong. I'm like, no, actually it's far more enjoyable.

00:01:43.040 Yeah. And it's far more enjoyable to hit that sucker way out, you know, for sure. Well, I 0.96

00:01:47.800 assume, I don't really know, but I got to assume that cricket probably did come first before

00:01:53.660 baseball, but still baseball is the superior sport. No doubt. Yeah, totally. What? And

00:01:59.060 I don't know, but I'm sure people don't care. You guys care. So just pretend you care. Listen,

00:02:04.980 do you know how soccer, soccer and football and American football, how that whole naming convention

00:02:11.260 got messed up? It's actually really insightful. Uh, no, I actually don't. I mean, I know obviously

00:02:15.900 it's messed up, but I don't know how it got messed up. It was, uh, it was the Brits originally,

00:02:20.540 actually. So they, it was, um, they called it soccer at one point and then we held onto it and

00:02:27.840 then they converted it back to football, but it's actually a combination of, it was a club that did

00:02:33.360 a rugby and that's, and it's a combination of soccer, rugby that messed up the name convention.

00:02:39.980 And then we adopted football and then they switched to soccer or no, we adopted soccer

00:02:44.900 and they switched to football. So soccer was like a name of a club, I think. Is that right?

00:02:50.440 Yeah. Yeah. For, and that, and I don't know, that's how it got messed up. Yeah. It wasn't as

00:02:55.220 interesting as I thought it would be. No. Well, and I probably slaughtered it and I could have done a

00:02:59.260 much better job. You're like, awesome. I want to get great detail. And that was all like kind of

00:03:03.740 really elusive. Sorry. Okay. That's now, now that's how I regurgitate information.

00:03:08.660 Billy Madison, the Billy Madison quote. We're all now dumber having heard that, uh, that response. 0.93

00:03:14.200 Possibly. You know, I should have prepped. Yeah. Well, next time you can, uh, we'll give you 0.96

00:03:18.620 another chance. We'll give you another chance or we can always edit this out and, uh, and clean it up.

00:03:22.780 Yeah. How's this? Oh, we're going to rip it out. Yeah. I mean, I, I was bad. I mean,

00:03:29.220 it's important to let the guys know, like we don't, we don't edit this podcast. In fact,

00:03:33.040 I don't edit like overly edit any of our podcasts. There might be some little wonkiness or I've got

00:03:40.080 to splice two elements together that got messed up. But for the most part, you know, our podcasts are

00:03:44.700 raw, whether it's the interview podcast or this one or the Friday field notes, it's just record,

00:03:49.400 hit the record button release. That's pretty much the process. And what I'm hearing is that it's

00:03:53.840 have nothing to do with changing of content or the elimination of content. It's really like noise,

00:03:58.460 background slicing and things like that. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. So, all right. Should

00:04:04.020 we get to the questions? Yeah, let's do it. I had to run solo. I think I did a pretty good job,

00:04:07.900 but, uh, yeah, I don't know. We'll have to let the guys be the, be the, yeah, I was going to say,

00:04:12.060 if not let Ryan know if he, if he did a good job or not. Don't let me know. I would rather live in my

00:04:17.680 bubble and just assume I did a pretty good job. Yeah. I'm so amazing. Yeah. As long as no one

00:04:22.320 tells me otherwise. Right. Yeah. And it's better. It's a better way to, you know, ignorance is

00:04:26.820 always the best approach I've found. That's what we promote here on the order of man podcast,

00:04:31.760 by the way. Okay. Nobody here is promoting ignorance. Be smart, be wise, get the information

00:04:38.300 you need. All right. What's the first question? Are we going to the iron council first? Yes, sir. So

00:04:42.680 we're, we're filling these questions from the iron council, our exclusive brotherhood, learn more

00:04:46.600 order of man.com slash iron council. We call it pay to play. If you're paying, then you get to play.

00:04:52.640 If you're not, then you get bumped to the end of the line. Yeah. Also known as living a life full,

00:04:57.940 like investing in your life is also what we call it. So that's probably a better way to say it than

00:05:02.620 pay to play. So we'll start using that from now on for the iron council. Invest in your life. That's

00:05:07.340 the tagline iron council invest in your life. All right. Nicholas bean, what does a hero's journey

00:05:13.780 represent for you? Maybe we make a little bit of reference obviously, cause this is coming from

00:05:19.080 Nicholas and the IC and I'm assuming this has to do with our book of the month that we're covering,

00:05:23.760 but yeah. Yeah. We're, we're talking about living heroically in, in, inside the iron council,

00:05:29.160 which is not, I was a little, I was a little hesitant with Joshua on this one with the,

00:05:34.540 with the naming of it. Him and I were very much in alignment. You know, it's not about

00:05:38.980 the external idea of being some, some superhero, right? Yeah. Or putting yourself in a stupid

00:05:44.420 situation so you can prove to everybody else how heroic you can be. But it is about espousing the 1.00

00:05:50.800 virtues that, that we generally would think of when it comes to being heroic, bravery, courage,

00:05:57.060 resilient, grit, fortitude, et cetera, et cetera. So that, that's what this month is all about in

00:06:01.400 iron council. Uh, for me, the hero's journey is just being prepared at all times for anything

00:06:07.000 that may come up. You know, I, I, there's all kinds of situations that might come up, whether,

00:06:11.500 like I had mentioned last week, we had a guy try to get into our house in the middle of the night.

00:06:16.740 Uh, it could be, yeah. Did you hear that story? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Uh, or a natural disaster. Uh,

00:06:24.820 now, now we have, you know, Corona virus that everybody's dealing with. In fact, I think somebody

00:06:28.620 asked about the Corona virus and we'll get into that here in a minute. Um, or, you know, a car

00:06:33.680 accident or, or anything, right? There's any number of situations. And for me, the hero's journey is

00:06:38.580 just about being, uh, physically, mentally, and emotionally prepared. And then also capable of

00:06:44.660 dealing with the situation. It was very, very important to me. So regardless of what that situation

00:06:49.640 is, I always want to be prepared for that thing. It's difficult because you don't really know what to

00:06:54.460 be prepared for. Right. Um, I, I know I, I, I give the boy Scouts a lot of grief, especially with some

00:07:02.120 of their most recent decisions, but to quote Lord Baden Powell, when he was asked about what you

00:07:07.620 should be prepared for, he said for anything. And I think we, as men need to anticipate what, uh,

00:07:15.880 what might come up and fill in any holes that we see as being necessary. So for me, it's about,

00:07:23.000 uh, being a protector. It's about stashing money aside. So if we get into financial trouble, we'll

00:07:28.560 be, uh, we'll be good there. Uh, it's about preparing our home for, you know, an intruder.

00:07:36.380 Uh, it's about having food storage. It's about, uh, training my body physically to be strong,

00:07:41.720 but then also capable through martial arts. Um, yeah, I mean, I can't get really into the

00:07:47.440 specifics cause I don't know what specifically we're talking about, but I just, I just want to

00:07:50.580 be prepared. I just want to be ready mentally, physically, emotionally, and be capable of

00:07:55.680 dealing with a threat. Should it arise? Yeah. Asia and I have created chaos in our family for the

00:08:01.260 last two weeks. Cause I was out of country. She's out of country this week and you know, so I'm doing

00:08:07.560 kind of like get kids off to school, babysitter, go to work. I have to leave work a little bit early

00:08:12.420 and it's, it's managed chaos. And, and it's interesting because, and, and I know it's not

00:08:18.840 like the hero, like save someone's life. Right. But there's, I think there's moments of, to be a

00:08:24.280 hero just in common day life. Right. Am I there for my kid? If he's struggling today, if he has a really

00:08:29.640 bad day and maybe he has low self-esteem or, you know what I mean? Something happened. Am I in a

00:08:35.500 position to be his hero? And it's ironic is what does in, in my circumstance, you know, back to my

00:08:42.340 managed chaos this week is if, if our house is not in order and it's already chaotic, then that pulls

00:08:49.480 me away from being into position to provide assistance. Right. If I don't have a solid

00:08:54.140 schedule figured out, then it pulls me away from actually being present. Like, and so I think like

00:08:59.300 we can prepare for events, but a lot of it has to do with just kind of having our shit together. 0.99

00:09:04.940 Yeah. And, and, and just in all aspects, whether it's your, how well your, your garage is organized 0.97

00:09:12.320 to having your schedule figured out to, to, you know, being physically fit to, to having a clarity

00:09:19.940 of your own mind of what goals and what purpose that you have in life and having that clarity for

00:09:24.580 yourself. Like all those things put us in a position to be able to serve other people. And, and that

00:09:30.840 heroism might be something as simple as a guy reaching out to Ryan and saying, Hey, you know,

00:09:36.220 I'm struggling right now and I really need to have a conversation. And that, and because you're in

00:09:41.100 line in life and you're probably, your integrity gap is, is minimal. That puts you in a position to be

00:09:46.420 able to have that conversation where normally, you know, we might be running with our heads cut off

00:09:51.160 because, you know, there's managed chaos because we don't have our things aligned in our lives.

00:09:55.360 Right. Yeah. I actually think that's one of the traps too. When you talk about living heroically

00:09:59.800 or the hero's journey, like we're talking about in the iron council is guys thinking that it's,

00:10:04.180 it's visible, right? When you think of a hero, don't you think of like being highly visible?

00:10:09.120 Like I think of a, what's the guy, Jack, uh, gosh, I can't remember his name who, uh, shot that,

00:10:15.220 uh, would be mass killer inside the church. Yeah. Just a couple of months ago. Yeah. Right. You think,

00:10:20.180 okay, that's a heroic action, no doubt. And so people look at that and think, okay,

00:10:23.660 that's very visible, right? He was, he was recognized nationally, if not globally for his

00:10:29.120 heroic actions, but sometimes it isn't that right. It's just, it's just reading a book with your kid

00:10:35.680 or it's just showing up to work every single day on time and doing your job to the best of your

00:10:42.100 ability. No accolades, no recognition, but those are very, they're, they're not heroic moments

00:10:48.300 necessarily, but you are espousing the virtues that a hero espouses.

00:10:53.480 Yeah. Yeah. And it could be heroic for the individual, right? I had a good friend,

00:10:58.040 a good friend of mine. I was like, to be honest with you, I was really honored by it. He,

00:11:01.740 he's a little bit in a slump for whatever reason, struggling, asked me to come over to his house and,

00:11:06.940 and kind of give him a blessing and have a talk to him. That was a really big thing. Like that was

00:11:12.800 very valuable to him. But it's ironic is how easy it would have been for me to be in a position

00:11:18.300 not to do that, not to be in the right mindset, to be able to have that beneficial conversation.

00:11:23.720 That could have been very easy. Yeah. Right. It could have been as simple as

00:11:27.420 me not organize my day and being chaotic and pissed off and not even being in the right mindset

00:11:32.500 to even say the right things. One thing that I've noticed in my own life that I, I need to be

00:11:38.240 very aware of and make sure I combat. And I think a lot of guys are probably like this as well is,

00:11:42.740 is procrastination. Yeah. You know, I think I've got this thing, I've got everything handled. I got

00:11:48.180 things taken care of and I've got this event or this assignment or this task that's, you know,

00:11:51.900 two, three, four weeks down the road. I got time, I got time. And all of a sudden, bam, it's here.

00:11:56.620 Or something comes out of the woodworks that I didn't expect and completely derails everything.

00:12:02.360 And that procrastination keeps me from accomplishing not only what I originally intended to do,

00:12:08.240 but that thing that came out of the woodworks as well. So we really need to be conscious of the

00:12:12.900 procrastination. If you feel like you've got to do something, there's no time like the present to do

00:12:17.080 it. Just get it done, check it off the list, and then you can drive on with your, with your day.

00:12:21.700 Yeah. Stay on top of things. Yeah. All right. What else? All right. Chris Gatch go, uh, Corona virus.

00:12:28.200 How serious are you taking it? What precautions have you taken because of it, et cetera? It's,

00:12:34.480 it's, it's such a hot topic. And I think it's a discussion, uh, that could be viable. Uh, him

00:12:40.260 being in the hospitality and tourism industry, this topic is dominating my mind these days.

00:12:44.280 Yeah. I, you know, I think it's blown out of proportion. I really do. I actually saw on the

00:12:50.320 news this morning that the sixth, I believe case, uh, or six death, I should say in the U S was reported

00:12:56.680 due to Corona virus. So, you know, it's going to get worse before it starts to stabilize and get better.

00:13:02.860 And there's a, uh, vaccination or whatever. Right. Yeah. I just think it's blown out of

00:13:08.080 proportion. I think it's something we should be very aware of. We should plan for, but for the

00:13:12.600 most part, my strategy is to do the things that we all know we should be doing anyways,

00:13:16.920 like washing your hands, obeying general rules of, of personal hygiene. Uh, I, I don't particularly

00:13:25.220 enjoy traveling or large spaces anyways, but you know, I'm going to limit that to the best of my

00:13:30.160 ability. And, uh, if I see somebody who's sick or I know there might be sick people there, then I'm

00:13:35.880 not going to go, like, we're going to stay home and we're going to do our thing. But having food

00:13:40.360 storage is important. Making sure that, uh, this is something that a lot of people overlook, making

00:13:45.900 sure that you have adequate fuel sources. So for example, if you let your truck get down to empty

00:13:52.280 before you fill it up, you're doing yourself a disservice. Your, your, your vehicle should never be

00:13:57.580 below half a tank. Cause you never know. Like if you get stuck in a blizzard or, uh, you get lost

00:14:04.380 or, or you need to go on a long trip or there's no access to fuel anywhere. Like that's actually

00:14:08.940 something that's overlooked quite often. We do the same thing with our, uh, with our fuel, uh, in our

00:14:14.980 home for our heating system. And we have backup heating system, uh, generator in place just to

00:14:20.040 make sure. So we have all these redundancies built into place in case the worst case scenario

00:14:26.140 happens. Now I hope it doesn't, but I don't want to be caught unprepared. Should that happen? Uh,

00:14:31.180 firearms are a big component of this, making sure that we can defend ourselves and protect ourselves.

00:14:36.220 Uh, Matthew Arrington, a mutual friend of ours told me about this book. I wish I could remember it.

00:14:40.940 We'll have to reach out to him and see if you can get it to us. But he, he, uh, it was a book that

00:14:44.940 he told me about where, and I don't know, it's, I don't know if it's fictional or if it's based on a,

00:14:51.820 a real situation, but, uh, the power goes down in, in a country and it talks about how quickly

00:14:59.980 everybody just goes psychotic. Yeah. Like absolutely insane, scary, scary. So food storage,

00:15:08.700 adequate fuel, uh, power, backup power, firearms, and then just obeying general hygiene. You know,

00:15:17.500 even like jujitsu, for example, is like the grossest thing you would possibly do.

00:15:23.100 And we, we clean those mats every, every session, you know, we're cleaning those mats. I get home.

00:15:29.260 I don't like hug up on everybody. I go home. I go straight to the shower. I got some good soap. I

00:15:34.700 clean myself off, give myself a good scrub down and you don't go grab a burger and yeah, I don't like,

00:15:40.700 and don't wash my hands or anything like that. And that goes for everything. It's like, even my

00:15:47.100 son, when he was wrestling, I'm like, dude, like you can't delay, right? Like if you're not going to

00:15:51.740 shower right after wrestling practice, you have to shower immediately. Once you get home, like no

00:15:56.700 laying on on your bed and chilling for a while and showering later, like you're going to have staff

00:16:02.700 or ringworm or something all over our house, you know, go take a shower. But yeah, I generally,

00:16:08.380 I think it's blown out of proportion. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of it or we're trying to plan

00:16:13.020 for it or be smart about it. I do get frustrated with the politicalization of it, you know, and I,

00:16:18.380 and I've heard people say, oh, it's not being political politicized. They're just asking questions.

00:16:22.380 No. When, when you start calling the virus, Trump virus. Oh really? Oh yeah. And, and you, and you

00:16:31.260 like overly criticize, uh, the, the, the president and the government's reactions to this

00:16:38.220 questioning is because they're not locking everyone down in their homes. Is that what we want? Really?

00:16:42.220 We want that type of government that like, well, I mean, it takes away all your freedoms.

00:16:47.100 It's crazy. Questioning is one thing and we should question, but when you start to politicize it, it's,

00:16:51.980 it's repulsive that anybody would take something like this and try to publicize it like, or, uh,

00:16:59.020 uh, political politicize. I can't say it. We, we just need to work together on that stuff. Like

00:17:03.500 everybody's on the same page and you know what? It almost seems as if there's certain sides of the

00:17:08.700 aisle that would actually rather have this, this get worse so they could get Trump out of office. 1.00

00:17:15.500 Like I find that disgusting. Like, I'm not saying you have to agree with Trump or even like him,

00:17:20.140 but to wish this happens so that he's out of office, that's a ridiculous thing. Ridiculous. 0.99

00:17:25.980 Yeah, for sure. So anyway, what's, what's been interesting about the Corona virus is one 0.58

00:17:33.740 to see how it affects globalization and trade. It's really interesting. No doubt. Like if this was

00:17:41.020 even more severe than it was, you start wondering like, can our country sustain itself without

00:17:47.180 trades? What countries are dependent on other countries for their food supplies? Like it really

00:17:53.580 changes things, right? Because if, if, if this virus is being threat, uh, spread through

00:17:59.020 shipping companies and it's on product and it's showing up in your country, like it's not just

00:18:02.940 people, it's actually products being shipped. It's, it's just really interesting how it affects

00:18:07.260 globalization, but it is a numbers game. Right. And so, cause I, I looked into this because I was

00:18:12.540 immediately like, wait a second, more people die from the flu every year than, than this thing is

00:18:17.260 taking lives. So what's the big deal. Right. Um, because it is, the death rates are, are usually

00:18:22.300 people that are kind of really physically poor, uh, like in our, in a really bad condition already.

00:18:29.660 It's not that they're poor. That's not the issue. The issue is access to medical technology. And so,

00:18:36.860 so that's a correlation doesn't equal causation, right? It's not that they're poor. You're, I think

00:18:41.740 you're right. It's that their access to medical care is limited because of their economic situation.

00:18:47.580 Yeah. But it's also, it's, it's affecting people with poor health. So healthy people aren't dying,

00:18:54.700 right? It's, it's actually people that really bad, poor health conditions. Yeah. But it's,

00:18:59.180 but it's the rate is what's quasi scary. So flu is 0.1%. So the amount of people that die every year

00:19:06.300 in the U S it's 0.1% from the flu, right? So 1% of flu victims die from the flu itself. Right.

00:19:13.660 The death rate for this virus and where we, you can only go off China's numbers, right? Because 0.91

00:19:19.180 that's where most of it's happened. The death rate in China is 2.3%. So if you, if you look at that

00:19:25.260 0.1 versus 2.3, that's where the concern is. Sure. Well, and if you look at the death rate,

00:19:32.380 if I understand this correctly, it's 2.3 in this Wuhan or whatever, this, this province or the city

00:19:37.340 where it came from, which is economically pretty, pretty impoverished and depressed. Right. Which

00:19:42.460 goes back to the other thing, which would be drastically different if that happened in the U S

00:19:46.060 right. The other thing that is not, is not telling the entire story as far as the death rate goes is

00:19:54.700 that it's a death rate based on reported cases. Yeah. So what about unreported cases? And it seems to me

00:20:02.300 based on what we know that it's actually been in the U S longer than we've identified it.

00:20:07.340 And a lot of these cases for healthy individuals are, are going unreported and untreated.

00:20:13.900 Yeah. Someone has a cold. Exactly. Yeah. Right. So that would actually lower the death rate. And

00:20:19.020 I'm not saying we shouldn't be wary of it and we shouldn't understand it. I, I, I will say,

00:20:24.220 I don't like the flu debate argument where people say, well, the flu kills more people.

00:20:29.740 It's like, well, the flu has been around longer. We know more about the flu. Like there's a lot of

00:20:33.900 more people get it. Right. Um, I saw a guy made a post on Twitter and he said, uh, you know, six more

00:20:40.220 people died from, uh, from coronavirus in the U S which is more than, or less than how many babies

00:20:49.020 have been killed in the last 60 seconds while you read this post. And I'm like,

00:20:52.220 like, like I get, and I'm, I'm pro life. Right. So like, I get what he's saying and why he's using

00:21:00.380 that, but it's, it's just not an intelligent. It's not a good debate tactic either. Right.

00:21:06.460 And I don't think it's intended to be, it's just intended to piss people off and rile them up,

00:21:10.060 which is kind of like the point of Twitter, which, which he was effective with it for sure. Yeah.

00:21:15.180 But it's just, it's not like to, to compare it to something else and say, well, it's not as bad as

00:21:19.420 this. Well, okay. Does that mean that we'd like, shouldn't address it at all? Or yeah. Yeah. You

00:21:23.980 just ignore it then. Yeah. Right. What's your point? So yeah, it's just something to be aware

00:21:27.660 of and then deal with accordingly. But you know, I do think it's blown out of proportion, but that

00:21:31.740 doesn't mean that we can't take our own personal precautions and protect ourselves and our families

00:21:35.900 and do what we need to do. It's actually causing a little bit of a disruption here in Utah.

00:21:40.300 Yeah. Well, I'm sure it's everywhere. You know, you think about it was everyone else,

00:21:44.140 like, like water selling out at Costco, like instantly. Right. Right. It's crazy. Yeah.

00:21:48.940 But you know what? Good. Because now at least they're thinking and prepping you.

00:21:53.260 Well, no. And I'm saying now, maybe let's say this is not as catastrophic as some people would make it

00:21:58.620 out to be. Well, maybe it wakes some people up to, oh man, this is a, this, this pandemic is a very

00:22:04.860 real threat and we need to make sure we get prepared now, not when something happens.

00:22:10.060 So hopefully it moves people in the right direction at a minimum. Hopefully that's what

00:22:14.460 it does. And, and just, you know, so we're not, you know, spreading rumors. It's actually a result

00:22:19.980 of Corona beer, right? Is, is why it got started too much partying. Yep. Yep. You know, it's funny.

00:22:25.020 I was talking with someone and they were telling me that Corona, the beer, the alcohol like has just

00:22:29.900 been like decimated because of this. Right. I know. I read that. There was a survey that said 38% of

00:22:35.580 the respondents believed that Corona virus actually had something to do with Corona beer.

00:22:40.140 Yeah. It's like 38% or something. Yeah. But look, I'm from a mark, like I'm a marketer, right? So

00:22:47.100 from a marketing standpoint, I'm like Corona, like make fun of yourself, like get out ahead of this

00:22:53.820 and, and, and ridicule and mock yourself because I'm telling you, if you don't, and you try to take

00:22:59.420 like this higher road, you're going to get demolished. So just poke fun at it, have fun with

00:23:05.180 it. I'm just saying if Corona doesn't get ahead of that, they're going to have a real, real difficult

00:23:10.380 path forward, which in the end, this is great for them as a business to say, like, who could have

00:23:16.540 forecasted that? Right. You might, you might be in a business and you might, your market is like the

00:23:21.420 majority you own, the majority of the market and you're killing it. And then some stupid buyers 1.00

00:23:26.220 decides to use your company name, like talk about be prepared. Right. Yeah. And, and this is 1.00

00:23:33.340 like when I was doing financial planning, this is actually part of the reason that I suggest that

00:23:37.900 you don't pick individual stocks. Yeah. People are like, Oh, Apple, Apple's always going to be

00:23:43.580 the best. It's never going to go bad. Yeah. And then you have something stupid like this or something,

00:23:48.140 maybe not stupid that comes up that you could never have anticipated. And, and you've got all your 1.00

00:23:53.260 money in Apple or all your money in large cap stocks. Yeah. And you're, you're out of luck.

00:23:59.260 Yeah. New health study comes out and apples, you know, eating apples are tied to cancer.

00:24:03.820 All of a sudden it affects Apple computers or, or some sort of, you know, government regulation

00:24:08.940 comes down and render some program or app or system completely obsolete. Like we don't know.

00:24:15.100 We don't know. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We're riffing a lot. All right. Christopher Elder.

00:24:20.540 Uh, how have your implementation, uh, implementation of after action reviews in your daily routine?

00:24:26.380 How in depth did you go and how often, if ever, do you reread your past after action reviews?

00:24:32.220 I don't, I usually don't read them after I've done them because I've already implemented a plan

00:24:38.940 to address an issue and then I'll do another after action review. Yeah. And sometimes I'll

00:24:45.020 uncover the same problems that I uncovered in the first and sometimes they'll be entirely new.

00:24:49.900 So like for me, there's no, there's never really been a reason to like go back unless I'm actively

00:24:55.500 focused on that task or project or whatever. Right. Otherwise I'll just do a new after action review.

00:25:01.020 Now I do daily after action reviews. So every single day I'm looking at my day, I'm looking at what I

00:25:05.820 wanted to accomplish and what I didn't get done and how well I did. And was I effective and was

00:25:10.060 I not effective? I'm looking at that stuff every single day. So that's how I incorporate it. I also

00:25:17.260 look at it, uh, when I'm just doing menial things, like even after this podcast, I'm going to do an

00:25:23.420 after action review, right? Like we're on, we're using zoom now instead of Skype. So like, I'm going to

00:25:28.460 go and say, okay, was it as good as it could have worked? Yeah. Did it not work? How was the connection?

00:25:33.420 How was the audio quality? What could we do to shore up the video quality? So I'm always regardless

00:25:39.580 of what it is, even if I'm playing with my kids afterwards, it's like, was, was that a good time?

00:25:45.100 You know, like, did we have fun? Was I present? Was I available? Did, did they enjoy the time? Was I

00:25:51.740 a dick because I was thinking about work when I should have been thinking about them? Like I'm doing it 0.99

00:25:55.900 all the time. Some of them are going to be in depth based on what the project is and others are just

00:26:01.900 going to be a quick recap and Hey, was that good? Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Okay. Why was it good?

00:26:07.420 Why wasn't it good? And I'm doing this constantly every single day. So the after action review isn't

00:26:12.220 like a strategy for me because strategy to me means that it's like some little thing that you implement

00:26:18.140 at some point throughout your day or your life. It is a way of life. The after action review should

00:26:24.220 be so ingrained and indoctrinated to your DNA that it is not a strategy. It's just your way of life.

00:26:31.020 How did this go? What did I do? Well, what did I not do? Well, what did I accomplish? What did I

00:26:35.020 not accomplish? And what am I going to do to make sure that I either produce the same results if they

00:26:40.380 were favorable or better results if they were less than favorable to begin with? Yeah, totally. I think,

00:26:46.300 and I think for a lot of guys, maybe it's, it's maybe systematic initially, right? Until they,

00:26:51.580 they, they reach the self-actualization stage of Ryan Michler, where it's like, oh, this is built in

00:26:58.460 now for me. Um, you make it sound like I had, like, I added you to Maslow's hierarchy. Yeah. You're at the

00:27:05.180 very top past self-actualization. It's like Michler stage. You elevated me way too high, way too high. Um,

00:27:14.220 but, but if you don't mind me sharing what we do, because this might be insightful, right? For some

00:27:19.600 people. So we do after action reviews at journey team. I've made it part of how we function as

00:27:25.720 a team. And so at the end of a project, we'll do an after action review and, and, and I've kind of

00:27:32.060 tailored it a little bit. Like it's add some additional things like how do we do on budget?

00:27:36.660 What was the timeline specific? And then we have the kind of those same open-ended questions that are part

00:27:41.440 of the after action review, but we have so many of them that it's hard for me to implement like a

00:27:46.400 change in business process after every single project and then communicate it out to the entire

00:27:51.140 team. And that becomes kind of a little bit overwhelming. And so what I've done is we do

00:27:55.820 after action reviews as part of our project retrospective. And then at the end of the quarter,

00:28:01.000 then we tally those up and look for trends across all the projects. And then we'll adjust on a

00:28:07.940 quarterly basis. Like, okay, we see some training here. Let's adjust this moving into the next

00:28:12.900 quarter. And so I kind of use it as kind of a, I don't know, a data, a database, right? Of,

00:28:18.140 of after action reviews, then to implement process at, after a given period of time.

00:28:24.400 Yeah. I like that you're looking at trends. Um, I would just say, and I don't think you're

00:28:28.740 falling into this trap. I would just say that be careful if you hear that and think, okay,

00:28:32.760 I'll just look at trends over a, uh, uh, uh, a 12 month period, for example, and only fix those

00:28:37.880 things, only fix it. Then it's like, no, no, no, no. Like you need to be fixing it as you go,

00:28:42.860 building it, fixing it, correcting it as you go. And then you can come back and recap and actually

00:28:48.340 look at if there's totally maybe overlooked. And I think the difference is on the individual

00:28:52.420 basis, right? I can, I, I, I do the same thing. Like, you know, we work on a new proposal and it

00:28:58.520 goes really well. I have this internal AR of like, okay, why did it go well? And what did

00:29:03.280 it, and I can immediately make an adjustment in my head, right? It's like, okay, adjust. I'm now

00:29:09.980 better, right? It's a little bit harder when there's, you know, 15 guys that you need to build

00:29:15.180 a business process around. And that's really the only reason why I wait, uh, after a period of time,

00:29:20.980 but I, I wouldn't replace an individual after action review on a regular basis with a systematic

00:29:27.380 process for a team, right? I, I still think you should be doing those individual after action

00:29:31.660 reviews, but definitely, definitely. All right. George Sykes, how do you think we can rid the

00:29:38.880 world of socialism once and for all? Uh, you can't because anytime somebody recognizes they, they can

00:29:50.380 get something without the effort. They kind of like that. Yeah. Like social being on the receiving

00:29:58.000 end of socialism is a very easy thing, right? So you're never going to get rid of it. The only way

00:30:03.660 to get rid of it is to have everybody take individual and personal responsibility and accountability for

00:30:08.500 their lives. That's how you end up. That's the opposite of socialism is ownership. Yeah. Right. But,

00:30:14.540 but we know that's not going to happen. So let's, let's talk about this. So how do we do it?

00:30:20.520 We encourage the people that we have a responsibility and obligation for to take

00:30:24.440 personal accountability and responsibility for their own lives. And we allow them to feel the

00:30:29.040 consequences of the decisions that they make. Now, if I do that in a controlled environment,

00:30:33.160 for example, as a father, my, uh, my little, my little one today, in fact, he slapped me upside the

00:30:39.800 head. I was laying on the bed and we were like cuddling my wife and me, and he slapped me hard.

00:30:43.960 Yeah. And you know, some parents might say, Oh, you don't do that. That's cute or whatever.

00:30:49.120 And I slapped him back. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't do that. I would have, I said, Hey,

00:30:54.240 and I disciplined him and I sent him in his room to go sit and time out. Yeah. If I, if I don't do

00:31:01.680 that, which a lot of parents won't, if I don't do that, then I'm teaching him that there's no,

00:31:07.680 there's no consequence for bad behavior. Yeah. And there is, and I need him to know that in a

00:31:13.120 controlled environment so that when he gets out into the real world, he won't actually get it, 0.99

00:31:17.420 you know, in that situation, get his ass kicked or get shot, right. Or get fired or any number of 0.99

00:31:23.940 things that could happen in the real world when daddy's not around to, to keep him protected and

00:31:29.020 isolated. Yeah. So that's, that's part of the way that we do it. The other part of the way that we do

00:31:34.580 this is education, like education, education, education. I even think about in the, the I'm

00:31:44.800 drawing a blank here, but like criminal reform, for example, right. It's like in prison reform and

00:31:49.960 court system reform, all this stuff is like, education is very, very important. Like we have

00:31:55.040 to educate these individuals because the more education we have, like you've got, if you believe

00:32:00.340 in socialism, communism, Marxism, you're not educated. Like by definition, you're very, very

00:32:07.760 ignorant to what this actually produces. Like Bernie Sanders, for example, he's not, I'm not going to say 0.87

00:32:13.940 he's unintelligent. He's, but he's either the most ignorant man ever when it comes to economics or he's 0.99

00:32:21.000 lying to all of us. And he's one of the greatest liars of all time. Both are bad, by the way, guys, 1.00

00:32:27.420 like, this is not a good situation that we're in here, but this, this, this person is being taken

00:32:33.660 seriously by millions and millions of people. Yeah. So we've got the hand. Oh, good. Sorry.

00:32:41.680 I was just going to say, we've got to educate. Yeah. And why are, why is he taking, being taken

00:32:46.160 serious? Because of the handout. Right. Again, if I'm on the receiving end, I don't have to pay my

00:32:52.180 student loans. I'm going to vote for him. Like, really? Like that's, that's the driving factor is the

00:32:57.000 handout in which you get. Well, who there's a quote that says when, when the masses realize

00:33:02.640 they can vote themselves money, that will be the end of democracy or civilization or something. I

00:33:07.280 can't remember the exact quote, but it's, it's very true. I think, you know, when, when the masses

00:33:12.200 begin to realize that they can vote themselves money is the end or the beginning of the end. And,

00:33:17.860 and I think we're there. And I don't think that the majority of Americans, the vast majority of

00:33:24.840 Americans have embraced this idea will ever embrace this idea, but it's pretty interesting

00:33:31.340 that that tends to be the direction that we seem to be going. Yeah. And it's, it's like quite

00:33:36.100 shocking. Actually, it's scary. It's scary. Frankly, you know, it's, it's a scary thing that

00:33:41.580 there's so many individuals who believe this nonsense. Now, George, what you could do is get

00:33:46.780 rid of socialism by having a government that controls everybody. Oh, wait, no, wait, no, that's

00:33:51.260 social. Yeah. Okay. That's not going to work. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah. It's never, it's

00:33:57.420 never, it's never proven to work before, but you know, this time's different this time, this

00:34:01.340 time it will. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Just education. Yeah. Well, and, and even if it's flavors,

00:34:07.240 right. Cause that's the other argument to this is like, well, it's not true socialism. It's

00:34:11.160 like democratic social, you know, like they put another spin on it. Yeah. But they put another

00:34:15.820 spin and, and I think on all the different spins of it, you can look at the root of it

00:34:21.460 and the root still is not taking accountability and being a victim. I don't even think there's

00:34:27.920 another lax ownership. I think they're just putting another word on it. Don't fully fool

00:34:33.220 enough people into believing it's something that it's not. There's no spin. Like it is

00:34:37.040 socialism. There's no spin here. It's just put another word and then it's different. No,

00:34:41.880 it's actually still the same. Yeah. Copy. All right. Josh Helmer. What is something that

00:34:47.740 you think every person should experience in their lifetime? I kind of like this question

00:34:52.520 for whatever reason. Uh, man, I'll everything like do it all. I had to think about that.

00:34:59.360 That's a really good point. Yeah. Look, I mean, where do you begin? I mean, sex would be the top

00:35:04.940 of my list. Uh, like reading good books, going on awesome vacations, getting punched in the face, 0.97

00:35:14.020 having good friendships, uh, getting, you know, losing your job, being embarrassed, suffering,

00:35:21.740 suffering, having a child, having, having a kid. Uh, no, I don't agree with that one. You don't think

00:35:28.540 you want to be the experience of, of having a child. No, because not everybody can handle it.

00:35:34.340 Like, and I don't want, like from, from my perspective, I don't want people having kids 1.00

00:35:39.660 who can't handle having children because then those children are here and, and talk about socialism and

00:35:46.980 all these other things. Like that's a problem, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I would say, look,

00:35:52.560 if you're ready, if you're ready, uh, and, and maybe I shouldn't say ready because everybody's

00:35:58.600 going to say, well, nobody's ever, well, you're never ready. Yeah. If you're, if you're in the

00:36:02.180 position where you can mentally and financially and emotionally handle a child and that's something

00:36:08.160 that you want, then yeah, I definitely say you should experience that, but not everybody should

00:36:12.060 experience that because not everybody would make a great parent. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so I'd put suffering

00:36:19.660 pretty high on this list. I know that sounds weird. It doesn't, to me, it doesn't sound weird.

00:36:24.860 Yeah. I think that's important. I think it's important to, you know, we, we, we, uh, we're

00:36:30.820 trying to eliminate and, uh, extract all sorts of pain and suffering from people's lives, you know,

00:36:37.380 because they, we think, Oh, it's unfair. It hurts my feelings. If they have their feelings hurt,

00:36:41.400 it's actually what makes people tougher, right? Yeah. It makes them resilient and tough.

00:36:45.660 It makes us appreciate life. So it's, it's, it's what makes life so precious. Right?

00:36:50.940 Right. Yeah, definitely. And I'll go back specifically for men, something that, and I said

00:36:57.540 this getting punched in the face, I was actually serious about that. Like whether it's, it's

00:37:02.720 training or boxing or jujitsu or Muay Thai or whatever, like I would say in a controlled

00:37:07.040 environment would be better than an uncontrolled environment, but like, that's some, that the reason

00:37:13.200 I bring that up is because I think that's something that too many men don't experience.

00:37:17.980 Yeah. You know, they, whether they're running from it or they never took the chance or the

00:37:22.480 opportunity, there's some fear there that will actually tell you a lot about yourself and

00:37:28.240 how capable you are of dealing with, like you said, suffering and hardship.

00:37:32.700 Yeah. Jordan Stanley, we have been having a discussion about battle, battle planning. It is

00:37:41.540 every, man, I am struggling with reading stuff today. I noticed. We have been having a discussion

00:37:46.120 about battle planning. Is it ever a good idea to make all or most of the quadrants about one

00:37:51.160 particular aspect of your life? For example, work, business, family, and et cetera, when feeling the

00:37:56.740 need to put max effort towards change? I don't think that's a bad idea. I would still say focus on

00:38:02.880 your four quadrants, right? Like have, have your, your four broken down quadrants. So again, just to

00:38:09.440 reiterate here. So the guy, you want to abandon one of the quadrants for another to double down

00:38:13.780 on something. No. So, and we have a lot of people let's, let's take, I don't know, an example of a

00:38:19.000 college student. All right. Let's say a college age guy's listening to this or watching it. And he's

00:38:24.340 like, man, I'm so stressed out because I've got finals coming up and I've got all this debt and I've

00:38:30.760 got all these things going on. And like, I'm just going to pour everything into this. I actually don't

00:38:35.020 think that's a good idea. I think you ought to pour maybe more or majority of your time and

00:38:40.500 attention and energy into that. But if you can't go take a night to go play, I remember in college,

00:38:46.080 we, a bunch of guys would go play volleyball once or twice a week. Like if you can't take time to do

00:38:51.000 that, then you're going to burn out and it's not going to serve you well. So you don't abandon

00:38:56.260 quadrants, but you may direct all of your quadrants towards a singular pursuit or objective,

00:39:04.360 right? So maybe this month's theme, or excuse me, this quarter's theme is all centered around

00:39:11.820 your family, the family dynamic, like how you can improve the family dynamic or it's all centered

00:39:16.800 around business. But even as I say that I'm still kind of like, still has a little bit of danger to

00:39:22.280 it. Yeah. Yeah. As I'm working through this and just talking with you about it, I'm kind of

00:39:27.320 thinking, you know, I don't know if I would just focus at all towards family or all towards business

00:39:32.540 at the expense of yourself or any other area of life that you're in. Yeah. I'd have to think on that

00:39:38.180 a little bit more, but after just talking about it for a couple of minutes, I think, man, it is the

00:39:42.240 reason we have the quadrants, the way that they're set up, by the way, they are calibration, which is

00:39:46.720 your mental, emotional, and spiritual health. You have a connection, which is your relationships

00:39:53.540 with other individuals. You have condition, which is physical health. And then you have

00:39:57.480 contribution, which is becoming a man of value. That might be a work, you pick up a new skill and

00:40:03.160 now you're more valuable. It might be developing a new trade or characteristic or skillset that's

00:40:08.720 going to help you serve your family better or, or pick up a new hobby. There's a lot of different

00:40:14.460 things, but then essentially it's you becoming more valuable. Right. And sometimes that's

00:40:19.840 volunteer work. Like, Hey, I'm just going to contribute back to the community and I'm going

00:40:24.040 to go coach a sports team this year. And that's how I'm going to contribute this quarter. And other

00:40:28.800 times it's, Hey, no, I'm going to really strive to get that promotion. So I'm going to pick up this

00:40:32.880 credential or this degree or this designation so I can secure that promotion. Nothing wrong with that

00:40:37.500 either. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know if I would, if I would focus so heavily on one thing,

00:40:42.880 that's, that's why we have the quadrants the way we have them.

00:40:45.460 Yeah. Just to provide clarity and to what you're saying, Ryan, I think a lot of the time we fall

00:40:51.660 into this, this idea that they're separate. Like it's even my, my definition that I give my employees

00:40:57.500 about work-life balance is different than what they think it is. Right. They, you know, most people

00:41:02.400 think work-life balance, that means like life, work separation, and you get a little bit of both.

00:41:08.140 And I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way because when you go through a divorce, guess what? Your

00:41:13.300 productivity at work drops and tanks and it affects work and you have fires at home. It, you know what

00:41:20.880 I mean? It, they go both ways. Works creating too much chaos. We're burning you out. It's going to

00:41:25.560 affect your home life. And, and I think that's the way with everything. I really do. Now, I think we,

00:41:29.940 we could tweak some things, but if you double down on, I don't know, all things work related,

00:41:37.300 it's just a matter of time until personal life comes creeping in because you haven't been taking

00:41:42.200 care of it. And it's going to affect that anyway. You know, we know this, like how, what's one of the

00:41:46.460 ways that you increase your productivity at work? Work out. Right. Like at first glance, you say,

00:41:52.320 well, that doesn't work. I could have spent that hour instead of working out at the gym, I could spend

00:41:56.220 that hour, you know, putting more work in, but guess what? Your productivity is going to be

00:42:00.200 affected by you not doing something physical. Like they all support each other.

00:42:04.860 I agree. And, and what it's funny, I'm just drawing something out here. I want to show you

00:42:09.440 here in a second, but you draw pictures, drawn pictures. I'm just doodling. You're boring.

00:42:15.140 So I was like, I'm just going to doodle over here. You're like, uh, this is lame. I've heard all this 0.84

00:42:19.200 before. Uh, no, what I was going to say is that sometimes guys will say, you know, they'll look at a

00:42:25.800 quadrant that they're focusing on and, and they'll say, oh, well, I can't really have it for this one

00:42:29.800 because it kind of spills over into this one. Yeah, of course it does. It's like, you don't,

00:42:34.540 you don't operate in a vacuum. Right. And that's to your point. If you become better at one thing,

00:42:39.140 you're naturally going to become better at something else. Okay. Here's my, here's my doodle.

00:42:42.920 All right. I think we've all seen like charts like this, right? So hold on guys on the podcast.

00:42:47.780 You want to see this doodle. You got it. You got to jump on YouTube to watch this video. So

00:42:52.380 youtube.com slash order of man. Okay, here we go. All right. So you have the four C's, right?

00:42:57.040 And the four C's represent quadrants, areas of your life. All right. So work-life balance,

00:43:02.640 what most people think is it's like this, right? That I'm going to put equal amount of tension here

00:43:06.960 as here, as here, as here. Like I'm going to put equal amount of tension. It's not really how it

00:43:11.460 works because sometimes based on what it is that we want to accomplish, it might look something more

00:43:18.500 like that. Yeah. Right. So now because of our goals and what we're going through, we're focused

00:43:26.020 more on a contribution, for example, and that, and condition suffers a little bit because of that

00:43:33.440 and, and calibration suffers, but your relationships are still important. So you put a little bit more

00:43:37.920 emphasis here. So this is constantly changing and this is balance, right? Like if you're trying to

00:43:44.760 balance, whether you're on a surfboard or a skateboard or a snowboard, or you're in martial

00:43:49.480 arts, you're trying to balance, that doesn't mean you're always centered. It's constant correction.

00:43:54.720 It's constant correction. For example, Kip, if you and I are rolling and you're in, you're in side

00:43:59.560 control, like you're not going to stand on top of me, like perfectly balanced with your hips over

00:44:06.340 your heels and your shoulders over your hips and hold still. Right. You're going to, you're going to lay

00:44:11.400 down. You're going to widen your base. Your chest is going to go up and down based on how I respond

00:44:15.920 and where I react. And this is balance. It's not equal distribution of weight or effort. It's,

00:44:23.120 it's concentrated effort towards the right places in order to produce your, your outcome. That's what

00:44:30.940 balance is. Totally. Totally. So yeah, I love the analogy of the pilot, right? It's like an airline

00:44:37.740 pilot is constantly re-correcting, you know, his flight pattern. Right. And that's, that's how you

00:44:44.180 get to your destination is constant recalibration. Right. Right. Yeah. Man, that drawing was amazing.

00:44:50.800 Amazing. I mean, if we don't pick up a hundred thousand new subscribers, just because I shared

00:44:56.060 that drawing, I'm going to be very, very disappointed. Yeah. Although I joke, um, but I could see as maybe

00:45:03.640 you using that diagram as part of our, uh, onboarding process on creating a, a battle plan,

00:45:09.800 we might want to consider kind of putting that together. That might help. I'm glad I thought of

00:45:13.260 it. Yeah. I'm so grateful that I'm amazing. Uh, I mean, wouldn't it be, it would be weird if I

00:45:22.220 wasn't as amazing as I am. Like, I don't know what I'd do with myself. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'd be depressed

00:45:27.720 if I wasn't as amazing as I am. It would suck if I wasn't me, which is probably true. I mean,

00:45:34.800 it's good. Yeah, I'm doing all right. All right. What else? Uh, here's one of the things by the way,

00:45:41.360 after action review for whom I have no idea when we started this and based on what I'm looking at

00:45:47.340 here on this dashboard, like, I don't know. It has no timer thing. No. So I got a meeting at one,

00:45:54.400 so let's go for another maybe 10 minutes or so. Okay. Mitch Jameson, is it better to take on a

00:46:00.540 small amount of debt when beginning to grow your business in hopes of faster growth or stay debt

00:46:05.760 free and grow slower? I don't, I don't think better is the right way to look at this because it just,

00:46:12.340 it really depends on your objective and strategy and approach. I'll give you two, two specific

00:46:18.380 examples. So I'll give you order of man and I'll give you some limited information about origin,

00:46:24.100 just because I know Pete a little bit and he's disclosed some of this stuff. I won't get into

00:46:28.240 specifics. And his, and his example is perfect for this. So, so with order of man, we are a hundred

00:46:35.180 percent debt free. We don't have any debt, whether it's our events or any, anything new that I

00:46:41.440 purchase. And it's a, it's a very, uh, it's, it's a cashflow business with low overhead and relatively

00:46:49.780 low debt. And that works great for me. It works perfectly. You know, it's highly leveraged. Um,

00:46:55.200 Kip, I have you and drew and Chris and other guys who helped me in certain capacities and you guys are

00:47:01.260 compensated for that. But you know, for the most part, it's just cashflow is how it works. Now it's

00:47:07.880 not scaled to, to something like, uh, a physical product, right? So if you take origin, for example,

00:47:15.360 they're making geese and rash guards and denim and I know new pants, right? They have a new line

00:47:22.140 of pants that just got released. They're awesome. Uh, and boots. Like I know that Pete put invested

00:47:30.440 a significant amount of money before he ever sold his first pair of boots, significant amount of money.

00:47:39.460 Yeah. Which is probably required, right? He has to buy all that product, just sheenery. Like there's

00:47:45.060 no way to like do it without that. Exactly. So I also know that, and I don't, again, I don't know

00:47:52.780 his financials. I'm not disclosing any of that because I don't know it, but I know that he's taken

00:47:56.860 on some debt in order to achieve some of the objectives and the goals that he's after. And he

00:48:02.280 wants to accomplish. Neither one is better. His system's not better than mine. Mine's my system's

00:48:08.340 not better than his. It just happens to be right for what I, for what I want to accomplish and

00:48:13.420 right for what he's trying to accomplish. What I would say is that if you are considering bringing

00:48:18.460 on debt, just don't be stupid. Like don't take on more than you need. Uh, don't, don't get raked 1.00

00:48:27.060 over the coals with your financing terms. Uh, try to pay it off as quickly as possible and just be

00:48:33.520 hyper efficient with the way that you run the business. So you don't get yourself in, in up to

00:48:39.380 your eyeballs and in debt, you know, it's just not a good thing. Does it work? Yes. Can it work? Yes.

00:48:45.320 Should you take out debt in certain situations? I would say yes, but you just, I hate giving the

00:48:51.660 answer of it depends. It's just feels like a cop-out, but it's, that's truly the answer in this.

00:48:57.100 And I just don't have enough information to tell. And I'm not, frankly, I'm not even the guy to tell

00:49:01.000 you should or shouldn't you take out debt. That's not my, my strong place. So I would just say,

00:49:06.120 be careful if you are, just be careful and make sure it ties into what it is you're trying to

00:49:09.160 accomplish. If you have a clear strategy too. Yeah. If you're, if you're like a, uh, like a

00:49:13.660 digital product, similar, like, like what we're doing here. Uh, and, and you're not planning on

00:49:19.760 like taking this public and it being the next, next Facebook, then I would say you could do it

00:49:25.180 without debt. But if you are, Hey, I want to create this, this unicorn, you know, there's this

00:49:30.160 billion dollar company and it's this, this app or this program I'm working on, then yeah, you're

00:49:35.940 probably going to need to take on some debt or bring in some investors, which is not maybe debt

00:49:41.060 necessarily, but it could be formatted that way. Yeah, totally. I mean, I have, I have a few friends

00:49:46.480 that are, that are in the startup, you know, business and it, it's not an option, right? Like you have to

00:49:53.080 have VC funding to pull it off because they require like their strategy is to generate growth

00:49:59.500 as fast as possible, ultimately to sell. And, and, and, and it wouldn't work right by the, by the time

00:50:06.300 if, if they didn't take on debt and they slowly build the business by the time they got the actual

00:50:11.500 product developed, someone would have already swung into the market, destroyed them and, and sold for

00:50:16.940 more, right? Like it just, it's part of the game. So I think it's a different game, obviously for

00:50:21.460 everything. The only thing I'd add, and you've already mentioned it, Ryan, a little bit is just

00:50:25.440 strategy. I, I, whenever I think about debt, like, okay, I'm going to take on debt. Okay. What does

00:50:30.540 that mean? Right. I'm going to take this much and out of that, I should re get these results. And this

00:50:37.060 is what milestones I have to hit to ensure that that investment was a proper investment.

00:50:42.560 And, and also to add to that too, cause you're exactly right is finding somebody who knows this stuff.

00:50:47.720 Yeah. Because it's not, to me, it would not be smart to go out and take out whether it's 10,000

00:50:55.740 or a hundred thousand, I don't know, whatever your level of debt. And then you just kind of wing it

00:51:00.120 with what you're going to do with it. Then what benchmarks you need to hit, like hire somebody to

00:51:05.640 help you do that. And you think, well, that's going to eat into my, you need to my cash savings or,

00:51:10.620 or I'm going to have to take out more debt. Yeah, maybe, but it's way more efficient to do it that

00:51:16.080 way than just to wing it and hope it all works out. Yeah, totally. All right. Robert, uh, Gillespie

00:51:21.840 thoughts on how to be there for my father, for your father when he's, geez, how many questions

00:51:28.500 have I slaughtered so far? This is like every other thing last week. I'm like, I can't, I don't know

00:51:32.860 what it is like, or it's not reading how I would write it. You know what I mean? And so like when

00:51:38.200 sometimes you read a brand new book and you start reading it and you're like, ah, this book,

00:51:43.180 I can't read this book. Cause it seems clunky, but then you just keep reading and then gradually

00:51:47.960 you're like, oh, okay. You get that person's flow of explaining things. Yeah. Yeah. AMA is like the

00:51:53.960 extreme version of that. Right. Cause it's like every question is like, every question is different.

00:51:58.900 Yeah. Different cadence or tone. Yeah. Yeah, totally. All right. Thoughts on how to be there

00:52:03.320 for your father. When after 38 years of marriage, your mother decides she doesn't want to be married.

00:52:08.400 That's where I struggle with this is because he's speaking in third person. And I was like, wait,

00:52:12.820 is he talking about his own parents? Okay. Right. Okay. Um, and, uh, doesn't want to be married,

00:52:17.280 uh, anymore and wants out. Not only has she decided to split, uh, split from the house,

00:52:22.160 but she is also leaving the state, leaving her family and grandchildren behind to be near her

00:52:27.520 brother, who is her last family member as she, as her dad passed 12 years ago, I've given him,

00:52:33.900 uh, my copy of sovereignty and I'm just offering support, uh, where able. Yeah, man. Sorry to hear all this

00:52:42.300 stuff. This is an insane situation, you know, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it feels like

00:52:47.720 to go through this, but Holy cow. I can't imagine. Look, your dad doesn't probably want to hear all the

00:52:55.600 stuff about, let me, let me help you. It's all going to be okay. And let me see it. He's probably

00:52:59.440 a proud man. I imagine, you know, 38 years, he probably took pride in that. He's probably been,

00:53:05.180 you know, relatively successful and been around the block. Right. So you, you pandering to him

00:53:11.820 and like, dad, it's going to be okay. And let me take care of you. He's probably just my assumption

00:53:17.820 is not going to work. What I would say would work is just include them. Yeah. You know, Hey dad,

00:53:24.460 like I'm going to dinner Friday night. Um, me and the kids, you want to come with us? Yeah. And I

00:53:30.860 wouldn't make it a big deal either. No, don't make it kind of what you're alluding to is like, Hey,

00:53:35.140 I'm doing this. You want to join me? Right. Not like, Oh, well let's plan a big dinner and have

00:53:39.360 you come over. And then, cause now it feels like you're just cow towing and you're going to be

00:53:43.140 feeling sorry for him. And that's just going to feel stupid about that. Well, of course he's, 1.00

00:53:46.640 he's probably embarrassed, maybe a little humiliated too. Like I would feel like that.

00:53:51.040 I would feel like a failure. Yeah. So he's probably feeling, so I don't need somebody to pour

00:53:54.940 salt in the wound. I just need somebody to support me and kind of be there. So, so for me, I think

00:54:00.560 this is his father-in-law, right? Did I, did I hear that right? No, your father is his father.

00:54:06.680 Okay. So that's, that's even better. Cause you're closer. So yeah, dad, we're going to dinner. We're

00:54:14.140 going out to, uh, to red lobster on Friday, me and the wife and the kids. And why don't you just come

00:54:19.400 with us? And then when you're there, just be normal. Yeah. Like, don't talk about mom. Don't

00:54:26.200 talk about how he's doing. And are you feeling okay? No, just like, Hey, what are you working

00:54:32.320 on? Or what's going on? You know, like just be normal. Like nothing's wrong. And you do that,

00:54:37.280 like whether it's a hobby or him coming to dinner or you just swing and buy, but just, I would say

00:54:44.060 just include them. Just drop, Hey, a text, you know, a very simple text. Again, you're not asking

00:54:51.580 him like, God, can I fix all your problems? It's just like, Hey dad, thinking about you today. Um,

00:54:56.460 hope you have a great day. I got to go to work, but, uh, have a good one. Yeah. Just a text. You

00:55:01.700 know, just, just do that. Think about ways to do that. Be normal. Don't make a big deal out of it.

00:55:07.040 And then just be present. And you know, if he, if, and when he's ready to talk about a little bit more

00:55:11.200 deeply, he's going to know exactly where to turn. Cause you were the one that was there when he

00:55:15.320 needed you to be there in the way that he'll let you know, he'll let you know when he's ready.

00:55:18.980 Right. He's a grown man. Don't, don't treat him like a kid.

00:55:23.040 All right. Tyson junkers. What are five things? The last one kit, by the way, Tyson junkers. What

00:55:28.380 are five things? Every man should keep in his house. Sounds like a, sounds like a good future, 1.00

00:55:34.080 uh, video slash Twitter post by Mr. Mickler from the truck. Uh, I I'm going to truck

00:55:41.000 videos anymore. The what? The truck videos. You don't do them as much. I don't do them as much.

00:55:45.480 Cause years ago, somebody had said something on Facebook of like, you shouldn't do videos while

00:55:51.220 you're driving. And I was like, shut up. What do you know? You know, something like that.

00:55:55.180 And then I was like, Oh no, he's probably right actually. And so I stopped. Like I just committed

00:56:00.400 at that, at that point I was like, Hey, I'm not going to record while I'm driving. So I do some

00:56:06.160 truck videos if I'm, if I have a thought, but it's usually, you know, if I'm parked or get home,

00:56:10.940 I'll just record one real quick, but I don't do while I'm driving. All right. All right. So

00:56:15.060 how do we get talking about that? Sorry. Um, the first answer I'm going to, the first response I'm

00:56:21.740 going to give you is, is a cheat a little bit. It's kind of like the thing where the genie says

00:56:26.400 you have three wishes and one of them can't be, you can ask for more wishes, but I'm doing that

00:56:30.220 cause it's our show and we can do whatever the hell we want. And I'm a genie. I'm a genie and you can't

00:56:35.080 stop me. So my first one is a library, not a specific book, but just a library. Like every

00:56:41.420 man should have a library in his house filled with books that are going to uplift and edify

00:56:46.060 and, and give information and knowledge and help him be a better man. So number one is a library.

00:56:52.460 Love it. Uh, number two is a space. I don't care if it's the garage or the barn or there's a spare

00:57:01.980 room or it's like me, the podcasting studio, but every man should have a space that is his.

00:57:09.100 It's organized the way he wants. It's got the decor that he wants. It's like his space,

00:57:16.960 not to be a slob or to be disgusting or anything, but like to just go and just recharge. Maybe,

00:57:23.340 maybe you like to smoke on a cigar and that's where you do it. And you like, you have some

00:57:27.740 sports memorabilia or you have quotes on the wall that inspire you, but every, or you have all your

00:57:34.080 tools, uh, or your, you know, your hunting room where you have some of your, uh, well, even like

00:57:40.920 this, you know, you have some of your mounts and you have your firearm, like whatever, but just your

00:57:45.880 space. Yeah. The third one I would say is a firearm and be trained with it. Every man should have a

00:57:54.260 firearm in his house as long as you can. I realize there's some regulations for some of our, uh, some

00:58:01.380 of our international listeners and brothers, but if you can legally, then I would say that

00:58:06.980 I'm not, nevermind. I'm not going to get into that. You should have a firearm. Okay. You should

00:58:12.140 have a firearm. Um, well, I don't know what else I can't think of anything else. That's maybe you have

00:58:21.680 a couple and I'll like brainstorm. Any thoughts that you have? Well, when I read this, I was

00:58:25.460 immediately like, are we going from a survival perspective or creating an environment that's

00:58:29.880 best for your family? Right. Cause like, I think the book thing is like good for me and it sets the

00:58:34.240 tone for your kids and like books are important and they're laying around and you know what I mean?

00:58:38.020 But if I go on the survival side, then I'm like, there should be a knife in the house,

00:58:42.040 a backup water supply, fuel source of some kind. You know what I mean? And I started going down that

00:58:47.340 path. So I'm kind of fill in the blanks here and say like, let's not go that route. Like let's

00:58:52.180 do the fun route where it's not like so survival, but just like some things that are like good to

00:58:57.120 have for a man in the house. Yeah. I liked that. I didn't think about the room thing. I love the

00:59:02.080 room thing, by the way. Um, I books, man, I'm not going to be able to add to your list.

00:59:07.200 To me, a great chair. Like I, my wife and I, yeah, we bought for Christmas, we brought,

00:59:13.060 bought each other chairs and I, it's a, mine's like a really nice, it was more expensive than

00:59:18.040 I've ever spent on a chair, but it was a good investment. Like she has her chair and it's her

00:59:22.480 style and her, the way she likes it. I have my chair, they're sitting right next to each other

00:59:26.140 and it's just great. Like it's a leather chair. It's like deep. So I can just lounge in it. I can

00:59:31.180 read a book and it's, it's nice. So. Matt's you should have every, every house should have some

00:59:38.720 form of mats available. Matt's in the front room for sure. Yeah. I'm failing on your list,

00:59:43.620 by the way. Do you have those things? No, I don't have a room anymore. Cause once we,

00:59:49.240 we use the room for something else, I really don't. Maybe do you have mats? Do you have mats?

00:59:53.040 I do have mats though, but that's it. Oh, and not a library yet. Kind of.

00:59:59.000 And it is. I'm not talking about like, like this, this big, like,

01:00:02.980 yeah, like a dedicated room. I'm talking about like, you got your books, man.

01:00:06.340 Shelfs of books. Yeah. Yeah. Copy. Uh, I would say Legos.

01:00:12.440 Legos are important. Actually, I'm not kidding on that. If you think I'm joking, I'm not like

01:00:16.680 Legos are awesome. It's cause you're in the Lego mode. My kids, unfortunately,

01:00:22.660 my next, the, my two group of kids, my next gen group has not reached Lego stage yet. So.

01:00:30.140 That's your failure. I know my older kids have already surpassed Legos.

01:00:34.580 That's also your failure as a father. You're like, you should not be surpassing.

01:00:39.000 No. Yeah. What are you teaching these kids?

01:00:42.640 Well, what's frustrating is I'm like, I'm like, I asked my son, Ian, I'm like, Hey,

01:00:46.120 where's your, like your Harry Potter castle thing. Remember? And he's like, I gave it away.

01:00:51.100 I'm like, what? That thing was like $200. And then second, like, it was so awesome. Like

01:00:57.480 we should have glued it together and like thrown it in a box at least or something. But Lego has a new,

01:01:02.400 um, a new, it's fairly new. It's maybe a little older at this point. It's the Batmobile,

01:01:07.080 like the 1980s. Like, uh, what's that guy's name? Michael Keaton, Michael Keaton. Yeah. With

01:01:12.360 the fan in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. I actually made a Pinewood Derby with my boys one year and it was

01:01:17.880 the bat, that Batmobile. It was amazing. It didn't go fast, but it looked rad as hell.

01:01:23.580 You should look into, if you like that stuff, you should do those 3d puzzles. Have you done those

01:01:28.500 before? Yeah. They're called Legos and there's no instructions. You just build whatever you want.

01:01:34.860 No, I haven't looked at those. They're actually really, really cool. Like it's a puzzle and you

01:01:41.220 build a house or a millennium Falcon or something. It's cool. All right. I'll look into it. Um,

01:01:47.000 there's a great Lego show, by the way, that you should check out. Uh, Oh, I thought of another

01:01:52.560 one, a grill. Oh yeah. Yeah. Every man ought to have a grill. You're cooking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:00.340 You're cooking. So we've got our Traeger grill. I actually don't use it all that often. My wife

01:02:04.440 uses it like 99% of the time, but Hey, it's here and she uses it and I'll enjoy the benefits of it.

01:02:10.680 Full disclaimer. Ryan's not suggesting that you keep the grill in your house when you're cooking.

01:02:15.580 That's a fire hazard, but we're assuming on the property is acceptable.

01:02:19.380 Somewhere on the property would probably be ideal. I would say yard for me. I know that's

01:02:25.640 different for other guys, but like, it's really important that I have my yard. I like that.

01:02:31.760 That's good. You know, I would add one more. I got one more. This would be five, uh, a TV gym. No,

01:02:37.440 a gym. You need to have, you need to have a squat rack. That's what it is. A squat rack and a bench

01:02:45.840 that you can adjust. So you can do incline dumbbell press. You can do incline bench. You can

01:02:50.960 do squats, deadlifts, pull-ups on it. Pull-ups. Yep. That's what I would say. So I got, so we got

01:02:57.720 library room mats, mats, Legos, grill in a gym. You get six Tyson bonus. What more could you possibly

01:03:11.580 need? All right. I got to go. It's one o'clock. Yeah. Let's wrap this up. Okay. In the next 10,

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01:03:30.700 I would have probably just picked one of those, but good job. All right, Kip. I appreciate you,

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