Fighting Against Socialism, Preparing for Coronavirus, and What Work Life Balance Actually Means ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING
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1 hour and 4 minutes
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Kit Sorensen is back from his trip to India! We talk about his experience at Trump's rally, baseball, and how baseball is better than football in the eyes of most Americans. Also, we talk about the differences between baseball and football, and why baseball is the superior sport.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who
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you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kit Sorensen, glad to have you back, man.
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It's good to be back. It's good to be stateside. Yeah. Were you in India? Is that right?
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Yeah. I was in India. You went over for Trump's rally, right?
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Yeah. In fact, I was in the same exact city I showed up the day after, luckily, because I'm
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assuming traffic would have been just chaos. It looked like an insane turnout. I don't know
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how many people were there. A hundred, a hundred thousand. Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people
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in the world's largest, I guess, cricket stadium. I was going to ask, was it soccer, but cricket?
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Cricket. All right. Yeah. It was a really large club stadium.
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Don't know much about cricket. Just play baseball. It's the better sport anyways.
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The funny part, so years back, I visited a team over in India and they wanted to play cricket. It
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was me and one other American guy. We went out to the park and they're like, yeah, let's play
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cricket. They showed us the rules. It was actually quite fun, but I could not let the ball bounce,
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right? So, cause you're, you hit off of a bounce. Off a bounce. Right. Yeah. And I just constantly
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just like stepped up and then try to like hit a home run. I could not like swing it how you're
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supposed to at all. Those guys are like this American dumbass. What is he doing here?
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I know. Totally. Like you're doing it wrong. I'm like, no, actually it's far more enjoyable.
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Yeah. And it's far more enjoyable to hit that sucker way out, you know, for sure. Well, I
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assume, I don't really know, but I got to assume that cricket probably did come first before
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baseball, but still baseball is the superior sport. No doubt. Yeah, totally. What? And
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I don't know, but I'm sure people don't care. You guys care. So just pretend you care. Listen,
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do you know how soccer, soccer and football and American football, how that whole naming convention
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got messed up? It's actually really insightful. Uh, no, I actually don't. I mean, I know obviously
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it's messed up, but I don't know how it got messed up. It was, uh, it was the Brits originally,
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actually. So they, it was, um, they called it soccer at one point and then we held onto it and
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then they converted it back to football, but it's actually a combination of, it was a club that did
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a rugby and that's, and it's a combination of soccer, rugby that messed up the name convention.
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And then we adopted football and then they switched to soccer or no, we adopted soccer
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and they switched to football. So soccer was like a name of a club, I think. Is that right?
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Yeah. Yeah. For, and that, and I don't know, that's how it got messed up. Yeah. It wasn't as
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interesting as I thought it would be. No. Well, and I probably slaughtered it and I could have done a
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much better job. You're like, awesome. I want to get great detail. And that was all like kind of
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really elusive. Sorry. Okay. That's now, now that's how I regurgitate information.
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Billy Madison, the Billy Madison quote. We're all now dumber having heard that, uh, that response.
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Possibly. You know, I should have prepped. Yeah. Well, next time you can, uh, we'll give you
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another chance. We'll give you another chance or we can always edit this out and, uh, and clean it up.
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Yeah. How's this? Oh, we're going to rip it out. Yeah. I mean, I, I was bad. I mean,
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it's important to let the guys know, like we don't, we don't edit this podcast. In fact,
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I don't edit like overly edit any of our podcasts. There might be some little wonkiness or I've got
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to splice two elements together that got messed up. But for the most part, you know, our podcasts are
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raw, whether it's the interview podcast or this one or the Friday field notes, it's just record,
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hit the record button release. That's pretty much the process. And what I'm hearing is that it's
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have nothing to do with changing of content or the elimination of content. It's really like noise,
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background slicing and things like that. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. So, all right. Should
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we get to the questions? Yeah, let's do it. I had to run solo. I think I did a pretty good job,
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but, uh, yeah, I don't know. We'll have to let the guys be the, be the, yeah, I was going to say,
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if not let Ryan know if he, if he did a good job or not. Don't let me know. I would rather live in my
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bubble and just assume I did a pretty good job. Yeah. I'm so amazing. Yeah. As long as no one
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tells me otherwise. Right. Yeah. And it's better. It's a better way to, you know, ignorance is
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always the best approach I've found. That's what we promote here on the order of man podcast,
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by the way. Okay. Nobody here is promoting ignorance. Be smart, be wise, get the information
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you need. All right. What's the first question? Are we going to the iron council first? Yes, sir. So
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we're, we're filling these questions from the iron council, our exclusive brotherhood, learn more
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order of man.com slash iron council. We call it pay to play. If you're paying, then you get to play.
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If you're not, then you get bumped to the end of the line. Yeah. Also known as living a life full,
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like investing in your life is also what we call it. So that's probably a better way to say it than
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pay to play. So we'll start using that from now on for the iron council. Invest in your life. That's
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the tagline iron council invest in your life. All right. Nicholas bean, what does a hero's journey
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represent for you? Maybe we make a little bit of reference obviously, cause this is coming from
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Nicholas and the IC and I'm assuming this has to do with our book of the month that we're covering,
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but yeah. Yeah. We're, we're talking about living heroically in, in, inside the iron council,
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which is not, I was a little, I was a little hesitant with Joshua on this one with the,
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with the naming of it. Him and I were very much in alignment. You know, it's not about
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the external idea of being some, some superhero, right? Yeah. Or putting yourself in a stupid
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situation so you can prove to everybody else how heroic you can be. But it is about espousing the
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virtues that, that we generally would think of when it comes to being heroic, bravery, courage,
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resilient, grit, fortitude, et cetera, et cetera. So that, that's what this month is all about in
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iron council. Uh, for me, the hero's journey is just being prepared at all times for anything
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that may come up. You know, I, I, there's all kinds of situations that might come up, whether,
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like I had mentioned last week, we had a guy try to get into our house in the middle of the night.
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Uh, it could be, yeah. Did you hear that story? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Uh, or a natural disaster. Uh,
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now, now we have, you know, Corona virus that everybody's dealing with. In fact, I think somebody
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asked about the Corona virus and we'll get into that here in a minute. Um, or, you know, a car
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accident or, or anything, right? There's any number of situations. And for me, the hero's journey is
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just about being, uh, physically, mentally, and emotionally prepared. And then also capable of
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dealing with the situation. It was very, very important to me. So regardless of what that situation
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is, I always want to be prepared for that thing. It's difficult because you don't really know what to
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be prepared for. Right. Um, I, I know I, I, I give the boy Scouts a lot of grief, especially with some
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of their most recent decisions, but to quote Lord Baden Powell, when he was asked about what you
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should be prepared for, he said for anything. And I think we, as men need to anticipate what, uh,
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what might come up and fill in any holes that we see as being necessary. So for me, it's about,
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uh, being a protector. It's about stashing money aside. So if we get into financial trouble, we'll
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be, uh, we'll be good there. Uh, it's about preparing our home for, you know, an intruder.
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Uh, it's about having food storage. It's about, uh, training my body physically to be strong,
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but then also capable through martial arts. Um, yeah, I mean, I can't get really into the
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specifics cause I don't know what specifically we're talking about, but I just, I just want to
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be prepared. I just want to be ready mentally, physically, emotionally, and be capable of
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dealing with a threat. Should it arise? Yeah. Asia and I have created chaos in our family for the
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last two weeks. Cause I was out of country. She's out of country this week and you know, so I'm doing
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kind of like get kids off to school, babysitter, go to work. I have to leave work a little bit early
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and it's, it's managed chaos. And, and it's interesting because, and, and I know it's not
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like the hero, like save someone's life. Right. But there's, I think there's moments of, to be a
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hero just in common day life. Right. Am I there for my kid? If he's struggling today, if he has a really
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bad day and maybe he has low self-esteem or, you know what I mean? Something happened. Am I in a
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position to be his hero? And it's ironic is what does in, in my circumstance, you know, back to my
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managed chaos this week is if, if our house is not in order and it's already chaotic, then that pulls
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me away from being into position to provide assistance. Right. If I don't have a solid
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schedule figured out, then it pulls me away from actually being present. Like, and so I think like
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we can prepare for events, but a lot of it has to do with just kind of having our shit together.
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Yeah. And, and, and just in all aspects, whether it's your, how well your, your garage is organized
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to having your schedule figured out to, to, you know, being physically fit to, to having a clarity
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of your own mind of what goals and what purpose that you have in life and having that clarity for
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yourself. Like all those things put us in a position to be able to serve other people. And, and that
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heroism might be something as simple as a guy reaching out to Ryan and saying, Hey, you know,
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I'm struggling right now and I really need to have a conversation. And that, and because you're in
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line in life and you're probably, your integrity gap is, is minimal. That puts you in a position to be
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able to have that conversation where normally, you know, we might be running with our heads cut off
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because, you know, there's managed chaos because we don't have our things aligned in our lives.
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Right. Yeah. I actually think that's one of the traps too. When you talk about living heroically
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or the hero's journey, like we're talking about in the iron council is guys thinking that it's,
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it's visible, right? When you think of a hero, don't you think of like being highly visible?
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Like I think of a, what's the guy, Jack, uh, gosh, I can't remember his name who, uh, shot that,
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uh, would be mass killer inside the church. Yeah. Just a couple of months ago. Yeah. Right. You think,
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okay, that's a heroic action, no doubt. And so people look at that and think, okay,
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that's very visible, right? He was, he was recognized nationally, if not globally for his
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heroic actions, but sometimes it isn't that right. It's just, it's just reading a book with your kid
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or it's just showing up to work every single day on time and doing your job to the best of your
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ability. No accolades, no recognition, but those are very, they're, they're not heroic moments
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necessarily, but you are espousing the virtues that a hero espouses.
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Yeah. Yeah. And it could be heroic for the individual, right? I had a good friend,
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a good friend of mine. I was like, to be honest with you, I was really honored by it. He,
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he's a little bit in a slump for whatever reason, struggling, asked me to come over to his house and,
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and kind of give him a blessing and have a talk to him. That was a really big thing. Like that was
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very valuable to him. But it's ironic is how easy it would have been for me to be in a position
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not to do that, not to be in the right mindset, to be able to have that beneficial conversation.
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That could have been very easy. Yeah. Right. It could have been as simple as
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me not organize my day and being chaotic and pissed off and not even being in the right mindset
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to even say the right things. One thing that I've noticed in my own life that I, I need to be
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very aware of and make sure I combat. And I think a lot of guys are probably like this as well is,
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is procrastination. Yeah. You know, I think I've got this thing, I've got everything handled. I got
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things taken care of and I've got this event or this assignment or this task that's, you know,
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two, three, four weeks down the road. I got time, I got time. And all of a sudden, bam, it's here.
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Or something comes out of the woodworks that I didn't expect and completely derails everything.
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And that procrastination keeps me from accomplishing not only what I originally intended to do,
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but that thing that came out of the woodworks as well. So we really need to be conscious of the
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procrastination. If you feel like you've got to do something, there's no time like the present to do
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it. Just get it done, check it off the list, and then you can drive on with your, with your day.
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Yeah. Stay on top of things. Yeah. All right. What else? All right. Chris Gatch go, uh, Corona virus.
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How serious are you taking it? What precautions have you taken because of it, et cetera? It's,
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it's, it's such a hot topic. And I think it's a discussion, uh, that could be viable. Uh, him
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being in the hospitality and tourism industry, this topic is dominating my mind these days.
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Yeah. I, you know, I think it's blown out of proportion. I really do. I actually saw on the
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news this morning that the sixth, I believe case, uh, or six death, I should say in the U S was reported
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due to Corona virus. So, you know, it's going to get worse before it starts to stabilize and get better.
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And there's a, uh, vaccination or whatever. Right. Yeah. I just think it's blown out of
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proportion. I think it's something we should be very aware of. We should plan for, but for the
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most part, my strategy is to do the things that we all know we should be doing anyways,
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like washing your hands, obeying general rules of, of personal hygiene. Uh, I, I don't particularly
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enjoy traveling or large spaces anyways, but you know, I'm going to limit that to the best of my
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ability. And, uh, if I see somebody who's sick or I know there might be sick people there, then I'm
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not going to go, like, we're going to stay home and we're going to do our thing. But having food
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storage is important. Making sure that, uh, this is something that a lot of people overlook, making
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sure that you have adequate fuel sources. So for example, if you let your truck get down to empty
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before you fill it up, you're doing yourself a disservice. Your, your, your vehicle should never be
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below half a tank. Cause you never know. Like if you get stuck in a blizzard or, uh, you get lost
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or, or you need to go on a long trip or there's no access to fuel anywhere. Like that's actually
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something that's overlooked quite often. We do the same thing with our, uh, with our fuel, uh, in our
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home for our heating system. And we have backup heating system, uh, generator in place just to
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make sure. So we have all these redundancies built into place in case the worst case scenario
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happens. Now I hope it doesn't, but I don't want to be caught unprepared. Should that happen? Uh,
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firearms are a big component of this, making sure that we can defend ourselves and protect ourselves.
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Uh, Matthew Arrington, a mutual friend of ours told me about this book. I wish I could remember it.
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We'll have to reach out to him and see if you can get it to us. But he, he, uh, it was a book that
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he told me about where, and I don't know, it's, I don't know if it's fictional or if it's based on a,
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a real situation, but, uh, the power goes down in, in a country and it talks about how quickly
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everybody just goes psychotic. Yeah. Like absolutely insane, scary, scary. So food storage,
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adequate fuel, uh, power, backup power, firearms, and then just obeying general hygiene. You know,
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even like jujitsu, for example, is like the grossest thing you would possibly do.
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And we, we clean those mats every, every session, you know, we're cleaning those mats. I get home.
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I don't like hug up on everybody. I go home. I go straight to the shower. I got some good soap. I
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clean myself off, give myself a good scrub down and you don't go grab a burger and yeah, I don't like,
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and don't wash my hands or anything like that. And that goes for everything. It's like, even my
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son, when he was wrestling, I'm like, dude, like you can't delay, right? Like if you're not going to
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shower right after wrestling practice, you have to shower immediately. Once you get home, like no
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laying on on your bed and chilling for a while and showering later, like you're going to have staff
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or ringworm or something all over our house, you know, go take a shower. But yeah, I generally,
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I think it's blown out of proportion. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of it or we're trying to plan
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for it or be smart about it. I do get frustrated with the politicalization of it, you know, and I,
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and I've heard people say, oh, it's not being political politicized. They're just asking questions.
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No. When, when you start calling the virus, Trump virus. Oh really? Oh yeah. And, and you, and you
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like overly criticize, uh, the, the, the president and the government's reactions to this
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questioning is because they're not locking everyone down in their homes. Is that what we want? Really?
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We want that type of government that like, well, I mean, it takes away all your freedoms.
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It's crazy. Questioning is one thing and we should question, but when you start to politicize it, it's,
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it's repulsive that anybody would take something like this and try to publicize it like, or, uh,
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uh, political politicize. I can't say it. We, we just need to work together on that stuff. Like
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everybody's on the same page and you know what? It almost seems as if there's certain sides of the
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aisle that would actually rather have this, this get worse so they could get Trump out of office.
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Like I find that disgusting. Like, I'm not saying you have to agree with Trump or even like him,
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but to wish this happens so that he's out of office, that's a ridiculous thing. Ridiculous.
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Yeah, for sure. So anyway, what's, what's been interesting about the Corona virus is one
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to see how it affects globalization and trade. It's really interesting. No doubt. Like if this was
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even more severe than it was, you start wondering like, can our country sustain itself without
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trades? What countries are dependent on other countries for their food supplies? Like it really
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changes things, right? Because if, if, if this virus is being threat, uh, spread through
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shipping companies and it's on product and it's showing up in your country, like it's not just
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people, it's actually products being shipped. It's, it's just really interesting how it affects
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globalization, but it is a numbers game. Right. And so, cause I, I looked into this because I was
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immediately like, wait a second, more people die from the flu every year than, than this thing is
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taking lives. So what's the big deal. Right. Um, because it is, the death rates are, are usually
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people that are kind of really physically poor, uh, like in our, in a really bad condition already.
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It's not that they're poor. That's not the issue. The issue is access to medical technology. And so,
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so that's a correlation doesn't equal causation, right? It's not that they're poor. You're, I think
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you're right. It's that their access to medical care is limited because of their economic situation.
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Yeah. But it's also, it's, it's affecting people with poor health. So healthy people aren't dying,
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right? It's, it's actually people that really bad, poor health conditions. Yeah. But it's,
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but it's the rate is what's quasi scary. So flu is 0.1%. So the amount of people that die every year
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in the U S it's 0.1% from the flu, right? So 1% of flu victims die from the flu itself. Right.
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The death rate for this virus and where we, you can only go off China's numbers, right? Because
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that's where most of it's happened. The death rate in China is 2.3%. So if you, if you look at that
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0.1 versus 2.3, that's where the concern is. Sure. Well, and if you look at the death rate,
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if I understand this correctly, it's 2.3 in this Wuhan or whatever, this, this province or the city
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where it came from, which is economically pretty, pretty impoverished and depressed. Right. Which
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goes back to the other thing, which would be drastically different if that happened in the U S
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right. The other thing that is not, is not telling the entire story as far as the death rate goes is
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that it's a death rate based on reported cases. Yeah. So what about unreported cases? And it seems to me
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based on what we know that it's actually been in the U S longer than we've identified it.
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And a lot of these cases for healthy individuals are, are going unreported and untreated.
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Yeah. Someone has a cold. Exactly. Yeah. Right. So that would actually lower the death rate. And
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I'm not saying we shouldn't be wary of it and we shouldn't understand it. I, I, I will say,
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I don't like the flu debate argument where people say, well, the flu kills more people.
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It's like, well, the flu has been around longer. We know more about the flu. Like there's a lot of
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more people get it. Right. Um, I saw a guy made a post on Twitter and he said, uh, you know, six more
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people died from, uh, from coronavirus in the U S which is more than, or less than how many babies
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have been killed in the last 60 seconds while you read this post. And I'm like,
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like, like I get, and I'm, I'm pro life. Right. So like, I get what he's saying and why he's using
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that, but it's, it's just not an intelligent. It's not a good debate tactic either. Right.
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And I don't think it's intended to be, it's just intended to piss people off and rile them up,
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which is kind of like the point of Twitter, which, which he was effective with it for sure. Yeah.
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But it's just, it's not like to, to compare it to something else and say, well, it's not as bad as
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this. Well, okay. Does that mean that we'd like, shouldn't address it at all? Or yeah. Yeah. You
00:21:23.980
just ignore it then. Yeah. Right. What's your point? So yeah, it's just something to be aware
00:21:27.660
of and then deal with accordingly. But you know, I do think it's blown out of proportion, but that
00:21:31.740
doesn't mean that we can't take our own personal precautions and protect ourselves and our families
00:21:35.900
and do what we need to do. It's actually causing a little bit of a disruption here in Utah.
00:21:40.300
Yeah. Well, I'm sure it's everywhere. You know, you think about it was everyone else,
00:21:44.140
like, like water selling out at Costco, like instantly. Right. Right. It's crazy. Yeah.
00:21:48.940
But you know what? Good. Because now at least they're thinking and prepping you.
00:21:53.260
Well, no. And I'm saying now, maybe let's say this is not as catastrophic as some people would make it
00:21:58.620
out to be. Well, maybe it wakes some people up to, oh man, this is a, this, this pandemic is a very
00:22:04.860
real threat and we need to make sure we get prepared now, not when something happens.
00:22:10.060
So hopefully it moves people in the right direction at a minimum. Hopefully that's what
00:22:14.460
it does. And, and just, you know, so we're not, you know, spreading rumors. It's actually a result
00:22:19.980
of Corona beer, right? Is, is why it got started too much partying. Yep. Yep. You know, it's funny.
00:22:25.020
I was talking with someone and they were telling me that Corona, the beer, the alcohol like has just
00:22:29.900
been like decimated because of this. Right. I know. I read that. There was a survey that said 38% of
00:22:35.580
the respondents believed that Corona virus actually had something to do with Corona beer.
00:22:40.140
Yeah. It's like 38% or something. Yeah. But look, I'm from a mark, like I'm a marketer, right? So
00:22:47.100
from a marketing standpoint, I'm like Corona, like make fun of yourself, like get out ahead of this
00:22:53.820
and, and, and ridicule and mock yourself because I'm telling you, if you don't, and you try to take
00:22:59.420
like this higher road, you're going to get demolished. So just poke fun at it, have fun with
00:23:05.180
it. I'm just saying if Corona doesn't get ahead of that, they're going to have a real, real difficult
00:23:10.380
path forward, which in the end, this is great for them as a business to say, like, who could have
00:23:16.540
forecasted that? Right. You might, you might be in a business and you might, your market is like the
00:23:21.420
majority you own, the majority of the market and you're killing it. And then some stupid buyers
00:23:26.220
decides to use your company name, like talk about be prepared. Right. Yeah. And, and this is
00:23:33.340
like when I was doing financial planning, this is actually part of the reason that I suggest that
00:23:37.900
you don't pick individual stocks. Yeah. People are like, Oh, Apple, Apple's always going to be
00:23:43.580
the best. It's never going to go bad. Yeah. And then you have something stupid like this or something,
00:23:48.140
maybe not stupid that comes up that you could never have anticipated. And, and you've got all your
00:23:53.260
money in Apple or all your money in large cap stocks. Yeah. And you're, you're out of luck.
00:23:59.260
Yeah. New health study comes out and apples, you know, eating apples are tied to cancer.
00:24:03.820
All of a sudden it affects Apple computers or, or some sort of, you know, government regulation
00:24:08.940
comes down and render some program or app or system completely obsolete. Like we don't know.
00:24:15.100
We don't know. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We're riffing a lot. All right. Christopher Elder.
00:24:20.540
Uh, how have your implementation, uh, implementation of after action reviews in your daily routine?
00:24:26.380
How in depth did you go and how often, if ever, do you reread your past after action reviews?
00:24:32.220
I don't, I usually don't read them after I've done them because I've already implemented a plan
00:24:38.940
to address an issue and then I'll do another after action review. Yeah. And sometimes I'll
00:24:45.020
uncover the same problems that I uncovered in the first and sometimes they'll be entirely new.
00:24:49.900
So like for me, there's no, there's never really been a reason to like go back unless I'm actively
00:24:55.500
focused on that task or project or whatever. Right. Otherwise I'll just do a new after action review.
00:25:01.020
Now I do daily after action reviews. So every single day I'm looking at my day, I'm looking at what I
00:25:05.820
wanted to accomplish and what I didn't get done and how well I did. And was I effective and was
00:25:10.060
I not effective? I'm looking at that stuff every single day. So that's how I incorporate it. I also
00:25:17.260
look at it, uh, when I'm just doing menial things, like even after this podcast, I'm going to do an
00:25:23.420
after action review, right? Like we're on, we're using zoom now instead of Skype. So like, I'm going to
00:25:28.460
go and say, okay, was it as good as it could have worked? Yeah. Did it not work? How was the connection?
00:25:33.420
How was the audio quality? What could we do to shore up the video quality? So I'm always regardless
00:25:39.580
of what it is, even if I'm playing with my kids afterwards, it's like, was, was that a good time?
00:25:45.100
You know, like, did we have fun? Was I present? Was I available? Did, did they enjoy the time? Was I
00:25:51.740
a dick because I was thinking about work when I should have been thinking about them? Like I'm doing it
00:25:55.900
all the time. Some of them are going to be in depth based on what the project is and others are just
00:26:01.900
going to be a quick recap and Hey, was that good? Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. Okay. Why was it good?
00:26:07.420
Why wasn't it good? And I'm doing this constantly every single day. So the after action review isn't
00:26:12.220
like a strategy for me because strategy to me means that it's like some little thing that you implement
00:26:18.140
at some point throughout your day or your life. It is a way of life. The after action review should
00:26:24.220
be so ingrained and indoctrinated to your DNA that it is not a strategy. It's just your way of life.
00:26:31.020
How did this go? What did I do? Well, what did I not do? Well, what did I accomplish? What did I
00:26:35.020
not accomplish? And what am I going to do to make sure that I either produce the same results if they
00:26:40.380
were favorable or better results if they were less than favorable to begin with? Yeah, totally. I think,
00:26:46.300
and I think for a lot of guys, maybe it's, it's maybe systematic initially, right? Until they,
00:26:51.580
they, they reach the self-actualization stage of Ryan Michler, where it's like, oh, this is built in
00:26:58.460
now for me. Um, you make it sound like I had, like, I added you to Maslow's hierarchy. Yeah. You're at the
00:27:05.180
very top past self-actualization. It's like Michler stage. You elevated me way too high, way too high. Um,
00:27:14.220
but, but if you don't mind me sharing what we do, because this might be insightful, right? For some
00:27:19.600
people. So we do after action reviews at journey team. I've made it part of how we function as
00:27:25.720
a team. And so at the end of a project, we'll do an after action review and, and, and I've kind of
00:27:32.060
tailored it a little bit. Like it's add some additional things like how do we do on budget?
00:27:36.660
What was the timeline specific? And then we have the kind of those same open-ended questions that are part
00:27:41.440
of the after action review, but we have so many of them that it's hard for me to implement like a
00:27:46.400
change in business process after every single project and then communicate it out to the entire
00:27:51.140
team. And that becomes kind of a little bit overwhelming. And so what I've done is we do
00:27:55.820
after action reviews as part of our project retrospective. And then at the end of the quarter,
00:28:01.000
then we tally those up and look for trends across all the projects. And then we'll adjust on a
00:28:07.940
quarterly basis. Like, okay, we see some training here. Let's adjust this moving into the next
00:28:12.900
quarter. And so I kind of use it as kind of a, I don't know, a data, a database, right? Of,
00:28:18.140
of after action reviews, then to implement process at, after a given period of time.
00:28:24.400
Yeah. I like that you're looking at trends. Um, I would just say, and I don't think you're
00:28:28.740
falling into this trap. I would just say that be careful if you hear that and think, okay,
00:28:32.760
I'll just look at trends over a, uh, uh, uh, a 12 month period, for example, and only fix those
00:28:37.880
things, only fix it. Then it's like, no, no, no, no. Like you need to be fixing it as you go,
00:28:42.860
building it, fixing it, correcting it as you go. And then you can come back and recap and actually
00:28:48.340
look at if there's totally maybe overlooked. And I think the difference is on the individual
00:28:52.420
basis, right? I can, I, I, I do the same thing. Like, you know, we work on a new proposal and it
00:28:58.520
goes really well. I have this internal AR of like, okay, why did it go well? And what did
00:29:03.280
it, and I can immediately make an adjustment in my head, right? It's like, okay, adjust. I'm now
00:29:09.980
better, right? It's a little bit harder when there's, you know, 15 guys that you need to build
00:29:15.180
a business process around. And that's really the only reason why I wait, uh, after a period of time,
00:29:20.980
but I, I wouldn't replace an individual after action review on a regular basis with a systematic
00:29:27.380
process for a team, right? I, I still think you should be doing those individual after action
00:29:31.660
reviews, but definitely, definitely. All right. George Sykes, how do you think we can rid the
00:29:38.880
world of socialism once and for all? Uh, you can't because anytime somebody recognizes they, they can
00:29:50.380
get something without the effort. They kind of like that. Yeah. Like social being on the receiving
00:29:58.000
end of socialism is a very easy thing, right? So you're never going to get rid of it. The only way
00:30:03.660
to get rid of it is to have everybody take individual and personal responsibility and accountability for
00:30:08.500
their lives. That's how you end up. That's the opposite of socialism is ownership. Yeah. Right. But,
00:30:14.540
but we know that's not going to happen. So let's, let's talk about this. So how do we do it?
00:30:20.520
We encourage the people that we have a responsibility and obligation for to take
00:30:24.440
personal accountability and responsibility for their own lives. And we allow them to feel the
00:30:29.040
consequences of the decisions that they make. Now, if I do that in a controlled environment,
00:30:33.160
for example, as a father, my, uh, my little, my little one today, in fact, he slapped me upside the
00:30:39.800
head. I was laying on the bed and we were like cuddling my wife and me, and he slapped me hard.
00:30:43.960
Yeah. And you know, some parents might say, Oh, you don't do that. That's cute or whatever.
00:30:49.120
And I slapped him back. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't do that. I would have, I said, Hey,
00:30:54.240
and I disciplined him and I sent him in his room to go sit and time out. Yeah. If I, if I don't do
00:31:01.680
that, which a lot of parents won't, if I don't do that, then I'm teaching him that there's no,
00:31:07.680
there's no consequence for bad behavior. Yeah. And there is, and I need him to know that in a
00:31:13.120
controlled environment so that when he gets out into the real world, he won't actually get it,
00:31:17.420
you know, in that situation, get his ass kicked or get shot, right. Or get fired or any number of
00:31:23.940
things that could happen in the real world when daddy's not around to, to keep him protected and
00:31:29.020
isolated. Yeah. So that's, that's part of the way that we do it. The other part of the way that we do
00:31:34.580
this is education, like education, education, education. I even think about in the, the I'm
00:31:44.800
drawing a blank here, but like criminal reform, for example, right. It's like in prison reform and
00:31:49.960
court system reform, all this stuff is like, education is very, very important. Like we have
00:31:55.040
to educate these individuals because the more education we have, like you've got, if you believe
00:32:00.340
in socialism, communism, Marxism, you're not educated. Like by definition, you're very, very
00:32:07.760
ignorant to what this actually produces. Like Bernie Sanders, for example, he's not, I'm not going to say
00:32:13.940
he's unintelligent. He's, but he's either the most ignorant man ever when it comes to economics or he's
00:32:21.000
lying to all of us. And he's one of the greatest liars of all time. Both are bad, by the way, guys,
00:32:27.420
like, this is not a good situation that we're in here, but this, this, this person is being taken
00:32:33.660
seriously by millions and millions of people. Yeah. So we've got the hand. Oh, good. Sorry.
00:32:41.680
I was just going to say, we've got to educate. Yeah. And why are, why is he taking, being taken
00:32:46.160
serious? Because of the handout. Right. Again, if I'm on the receiving end, I don't have to pay my
00:32:52.180
student loans. I'm going to vote for him. Like, really? Like that's, that's the driving factor is the
00:32:57.000
handout in which you get. Well, who there's a quote that says when, when the masses realize
00:33:02.640
they can vote themselves money, that will be the end of democracy or civilization or something. I
00:33:07.280
can't remember the exact quote, but it's, it's very true. I think, you know, when, when the masses
00:33:12.200
begin to realize that they can vote themselves money is the end or the beginning of the end. And,
00:33:17.860
and I think we're there. And I don't think that the majority of Americans, the vast majority of
00:33:24.840
Americans have embraced this idea will ever embrace this idea, but it's pretty interesting
00:33:31.340
that that tends to be the direction that we seem to be going. Yeah. And it's, it's like quite
00:33:36.100
shocking. Actually, it's scary. It's scary. Frankly, you know, it's, it's a scary thing that
00:33:41.580
there's so many individuals who believe this nonsense. Now, George, what you could do is get
00:33:46.780
rid of socialism by having a government that controls everybody. Oh, wait, no, wait, no, that's
00:33:51.260
social. Yeah. Okay. That's not going to work. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah. It's never, it's
00:33:57.420
never, it's never proven to work before, but you know, this time's different this time, this
00:34:01.340
time it will. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Just education. Yeah. Well, and, and even if it's flavors,
00:34:07.240
right. Cause that's the other argument to this is like, well, it's not true socialism. It's
00:34:11.160
like democratic social, you know, like they put another spin on it. Yeah. But they put another
00:34:15.820
spin and, and I think on all the different spins of it, you can look at the root of it
00:34:21.460
and the root still is not taking accountability and being a victim. I don't even think there's
00:34:27.920
another lax ownership. I think they're just putting another word on it. Don't fully fool
00:34:33.220
enough people into believing it's something that it's not. There's no spin. Like it is
00:34:37.040
socialism. There's no spin here. It's just put another word and then it's different. No,
00:34:41.880
it's actually still the same. Yeah. Copy. All right. Josh Helmer. What is something that
00:34:47.740
you think every person should experience in their lifetime? I kind of like this question
00:34:52.520
for whatever reason. Uh, man, I'll everything like do it all. I had to think about that.
00:34:59.360
That's a really good point. Yeah. Look, I mean, where do you begin? I mean, sex would be the top
00:35:04.940
of my list. Uh, like reading good books, going on awesome vacations, getting punched in the face,
00:35:14.020
having good friendships, uh, getting, you know, losing your job, being embarrassed, suffering,
00:35:21.740
suffering, having a child, having, having a kid. Uh, no, I don't agree with that one. You don't think
00:35:28.540
you want to be the experience of, of having a child. No, because not everybody can handle it.
00:35:34.340
Like, and I don't want, like from, from my perspective, I don't want people having kids
00:35:39.660
who can't handle having children because then those children are here and, and talk about socialism and
00:35:46.980
all these other things. Like that's a problem, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I would say, look,
00:35:52.560
if you're ready, if you're ready, uh, and, and maybe I shouldn't say ready because everybody's
00:35:58.600
going to say, well, nobody's ever, well, you're never ready. Yeah. If you're, if you're in the
00:36:02.180
position where you can mentally and financially and emotionally handle a child and that's something
00:36:08.160
that you want, then yeah, I definitely say you should experience that, but not everybody should
00:36:12.060
experience that because not everybody would make a great parent. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so I'd put suffering
00:36:19.660
pretty high on this list. I know that sounds weird. It doesn't, to me, it doesn't sound weird.
00:36:24.860
Yeah. I think that's important. I think it's important to, you know, we, we, we, uh, we're
00:36:30.820
trying to eliminate and, uh, extract all sorts of pain and suffering from people's lives, you know,
00:36:37.380
because they, we think, Oh, it's unfair. It hurts my feelings. If they have their feelings hurt,
00:36:41.400
it's actually what makes people tougher, right? Yeah. It makes them resilient and tough.
00:36:45.660
It makes us appreciate life. So it's, it's, it's what makes life so precious. Right?
00:36:50.940
Right. Yeah, definitely. And I'll go back specifically for men, something that, and I said
00:36:57.540
this getting punched in the face, I was actually serious about that. Like whether it's, it's
00:37:02.720
training or boxing or jujitsu or Muay Thai or whatever, like I would say in a controlled
00:37:07.040
environment would be better than an uncontrolled environment, but like, that's some, that the reason
00:37:13.200
I bring that up is because I think that's something that too many men don't experience.
00:37:17.980
Yeah. You know, they, whether they're running from it or they never took the chance or the
00:37:22.480
opportunity, there's some fear there that will actually tell you a lot about yourself and
00:37:28.240
how capable you are of dealing with, like you said, suffering and hardship.
00:37:32.700
Yeah. Jordan Stanley, we have been having a discussion about battle, battle planning. It is
00:37:41.540
every, man, I am struggling with reading stuff today. I noticed. We have been having a discussion
00:37:46.120
about battle planning. Is it ever a good idea to make all or most of the quadrants about one
00:37:51.160
particular aspect of your life? For example, work, business, family, and et cetera, when feeling the
00:37:56.740
need to put max effort towards change? I don't think that's a bad idea. I would still say focus on
00:38:02.880
your four quadrants, right? Like have, have your, your four broken down quadrants. So again, just to
00:38:09.440
reiterate here. So the guy, you want to abandon one of the quadrants for another to double down
00:38:13.780
on something. No. So, and we have a lot of people let's, let's take, I don't know, an example of a
00:38:19.000
college student. All right. Let's say a college age guy's listening to this or watching it. And he's
00:38:24.340
like, man, I'm so stressed out because I've got finals coming up and I've got all this debt and I've
00:38:30.760
got all these things going on. And like, I'm just going to pour everything into this. I actually don't
00:38:35.020
think that's a good idea. I think you ought to pour maybe more or majority of your time and
00:38:40.500
attention and energy into that. But if you can't go take a night to go play, I remember in college,
00:38:46.080
we, a bunch of guys would go play volleyball once or twice a week. Like if you can't take time to do
00:38:51.000
that, then you're going to burn out and it's not going to serve you well. So you don't abandon
00:38:56.260
quadrants, but you may direct all of your quadrants towards a singular pursuit or objective,
00:39:04.360
right? So maybe this month's theme, or excuse me, this quarter's theme is all centered around
00:39:11.820
your family, the family dynamic, like how you can improve the family dynamic or it's all centered
00:39:16.800
around business. But even as I say that I'm still kind of like, still has a little bit of danger to
00:39:22.280
it. Yeah. Yeah. As I'm working through this and just talking with you about it, I'm kind of
00:39:27.320
thinking, you know, I don't know if I would just focus at all towards family or all towards business
00:39:32.540
at the expense of yourself or any other area of life that you're in. Yeah. I'd have to think on that
00:39:38.180
a little bit more, but after just talking about it for a couple of minutes, I think, man, it is the
00:39:42.240
reason we have the quadrants, the way that they're set up, by the way, they are calibration, which is
00:39:46.720
your mental, emotional, and spiritual health. You have a connection, which is your relationships
00:39:53.540
with other individuals. You have condition, which is physical health. And then you have
00:39:57.480
contribution, which is becoming a man of value. That might be a work, you pick up a new skill and
00:40:03.160
now you're more valuable. It might be developing a new trade or characteristic or skillset that's
00:40:08.720
going to help you serve your family better or, or pick up a new hobby. There's a lot of different
00:40:14.460
things, but then essentially it's you becoming more valuable. Right. And sometimes that's
00:40:19.840
volunteer work. Like, Hey, I'm just going to contribute back to the community and I'm going
00:40:24.040
to go coach a sports team this year. And that's how I'm going to contribute this quarter. And other
00:40:28.800
times it's, Hey, no, I'm going to really strive to get that promotion. So I'm going to pick up this
00:40:32.880
credential or this degree or this designation so I can secure that promotion. Nothing wrong with that
00:40:37.500
either. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know if I would, if I would focus so heavily on one thing,
00:40:42.880
that's, that's why we have the quadrants the way we have them.
00:40:45.460
Yeah. Just to provide clarity and to what you're saying, Ryan, I think a lot of the time we fall
00:40:51.660
into this, this idea that they're separate. Like it's even my, my definition that I give my employees
00:40:57.500
about work-life balance is different than what they think it is. Right. They, you know, most people
00:41:02.400
think work-life balance, that means like life, work separation, and you get a little bit of both.
00:41:08.140
And I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way because when you go through a divorce, guess what? Your
00:41:13.300
productivity at work drops and tanks and it affects work and you have fires at home. It, you know what
00:41:20.880
I mean? It, they go both ways. Works creating too much chaos. We're burning you out. It's going to
00:41:25.560
affect your home life. And, and I think that's the way with everything. I really do. Now, I think we,
00:41:29.940
we could tweak some things, but if you double down on, I don't know, all things work related,
00:41:37.300
it's just a matter of time until personal life comes creeping in because you haven't been taking
00:41:42.200
care of it. And it's going to affect that anyway. You know, we know this, like how, what's one of the
00:41:46.460
ways that you increase your productivity at work? Work out. Right. Like at first glance, you say,
00:41:52.320
well, that doesn't work. I could have spent that hour instead of working out at the gym, I could spend
00:41:56.220
that hour, you know, putting more work in, but guess what? Your productivity is going to be
00:42:00.200
affected by you not doing something physical. Like they all support each other.
00:42:04.860
I agree. And, and what it's funny, I'm just drawing something out here. I want to show you
00:42:09.440
here in a second, but you draw pictures, drawn pictures. I'm just doodling. You're boring.
00:42:15.140
So I was like, I'm just going to doodle over here. You're like, uh, this is lame. I've heard all this
00:42:19.200
before. Uh, no, what I was going to say is that sometimes guys will say, you know, they'll look at a
00:42:25.800
quadrant that they're focusing on and, and they'll say, oh, well, I can't really have it for this one
00:42:29.800
because it kind of spills over into this one. Yeah, of course it does. It's like, you don't,
00:42:34.540
you don't operate in a vacuum. Right. And that's to your point. If you become better at one thing,
00:42:39.140
you're naturally going to become better at something else. Okay. Here's my, here's my doodle.
00:42:42.920
All right. I think we've all seen like charts like this, right? So hold on guys on the podcast.
00:42:47.780
You want to see this doodle. You got it. You got to jump on YouTube to watch this video. So
00:42:52.380
youtube.com slash order of man. Okay, here we go. All right. So you have the four C's, right?
00:42:57.040
And the four C's represent quadrants, areas of your life. All right. So work-life balance,
00:43:02.640
what most people think is it's like this, right? That I'm going to put equal amount of tension here
00:43:06.960
as here, as here, as here. Like I'm going to put equal amount of tension. It's not really how it
00:43:11.460
works because sometimes based on what it is that we want to accomplish, it might look something more
00:43:18.500
like that. Yeah. Right. So now because of our goals and what we're going through, we're focused
00:43:26.020
more on a contribution, for example, and that, and condition suffers a little bit because of that
00:43:33.440
and, and calibration suffers, but your relationships are still important. So you put a little bit more
00:43:37.920
emphasis here. So this is constantly changing and this is balance, right? Like if you're trying to
00:43:44.760
balance, whether you're on a surfboard or a skateboard or a snowboard, or you're in martial
00:43:49.480
arts, you're trying to balance, that doesn't mean you're always centered. It's constant correction.
00:43:54.720
It's constant correction. For example, Kip, if you and I are rolling and you're in, you're in side
00:43:59.560
control, like you're not going to stand on top of me, like perfectly balanced with your hips over
00:44:06.340
your heels and your shoulders over your hips and hold still. Right. You're going to, you're going to lay
00:44:11.400
down. You're going to widen your base. Your chest is going to go up and down based on how I respond
00:44:15.920
and where I react. And this is balance. It's not equal distribution of weight or effort. It's,
00:44:23.120
it's concentrated effort towards the right places in order to produce your, your outcome. That's what
00:44:30.940
balance is. Totally. Totally. So yeah, I love the analogy of the pilot, right? It's like an airline
00:44:37.740
pilot is constantly re-correcting, you know, his flight pattern. Right. And that's, that's how you
00:44:44.180
get to your destination is constant recalibration. Right. Right. Yeah. Man, that drawing was amazing.
00:44:50.800
Amazing. I mean, if we don't pick up a hundred thousand new subscribers, just because I shared
00:44:56.060
that drawing, I'm going to be very, very disappointed. Yeah. Although I joke, um, but I could see as maybe
00:45:03.640
you using that diagram as part of our, uh, onboarding process on creating a, a battle plan,
00:45:09.800
we might want to consider kind of putting that together. That might help. I'm glad I thought of
00:45:13.260
it. Yeah. I'm so grateful that I'm amazing. Uh, I mean, wouldn't it be, it would be weird if I
00:45:22.220
wasn't as amazing as I am. Like, I don't know what I'd do with myself. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'd be depressed
00:45:27.720
if I wasn't as amazing as I am. It would suck if I wasn't me, which is probably true. I mean,
00:45:34.800
it's good. Yeah, I'm doing all right. All right. What else? Uh, here's one of the things by the way,
00:45:41.360
after action review for whom I have no idea when we started this and based on what I'm looking at
00:45:47.340
here on this dashboard, like, I don't know. It has no timer thing. No. So I got a meeting at one,
00:45:54.400
so let's go for another maybe 10 minutes or so. Okay. Mitch Jameson, is it better to take on a
00:46:00.540
small amount of debt when beginning to grow your business in hopes of faster growth or stay debt
00:46:05.760
free and grow slower? I don't, I don't think better is the right way to look at this because it just,
00:46:12.340
it really depends on your objective and strategy and approach. I'll give you two, two specific
00:46:18.380
examples. So I'll give you order of man and I'll give you some limited information about origin,
00:46:24.100
just because I know Pete a little bit and he's disclosed some of this stuff. I won't get into
00:46:28.240
specifics. And his, and his example is perfect for this. So, so with order of man, we are a hundred
00:46:35.180
percent debt free. We don't have any debt, whether it's our events or any, anything new that I
00:46:41.440
purchase. And it's a, it's a very, uh, it's, it's a cashflow business with low overhead and relatively
00:46:49.780
low debt. And that works great for me. It works perfectly. You know, it's highly leveraged. Um,
00:46:55.200
Kip, I have you and drew and Chris and other guys who helped me in certain capacities and you guys are
00:47:01.260
compensated for that. But you know, for the most part, it's just cashflow is how it works. Now it's
00:47:07.880
not scaled to, to something like, uh, a physical product, right? So if you take origin, for example,
00:47:15.360
they're making geese and rash guards and denim and I know new pants, right? They have a new line
00:47:22.140
of pants that just got released. They're awesome. Uh, and boots. Like I know that Pete put invested
00:47:30.440
a significant amount of money before he ever sold his first pair of boots, significant amount of money.
00:47:39.460
Yeah. Which is probably required, right? He has to buy all that product, just sheenery. Like there's
00:47:45.060
no way to like do it without that. Exactly. So I also know that, and I don't, again, I don't know
00:47:52.780
his financials. I'm not disclosing any of that because I don't know it, but I know that he's taken
00:47:56.860
on some debt in order to achieve some of the objectives and the goals that he's after. And he
00:48:02.280
wants to accomplish. Neither one is better. His system's not better than mine. Mine's my system's
00:48:08.340
not better than his. It just happens to be right for what I, for what I want to accomplish and
00:48:13.420
right for what he's trying to accomplish. What I would say is that if you are considering bringing
00:48:18.460
on debt, just don't be stupid. Like don't take on more than you need. Uh, don't, don't get raked
00:48:27.060
over the coals with your financing terms. Uh, try to pay it off as quickly as possible and just be
00:48:33.520
hyper efficient with the way that you run the business. So you don't get yourself in, in up to
00:48:39.380
your eyeballs and in debt, you know, it's just not a good thing. Does it work? Yes. Can it work? Yes.
00:48:45.320
Should you take out debt in certain situations? I would say yes, but you just, I hate giving the
00:48:51.660
answer of it depends. It's just feels like a cop-out, but it's, that's truly the answer in this.
00:48:57.100
And I just don't have enough information to tell. And I'm not, frankly, I'm not even the guy to tell
00:49:01.000
you should or shouldn't you take out debt. That's not my, my strong place. So I would just say,
00:49:06.120
be careful if you are, just be careful and make sure it ties into what it is you're trying to
00:49:09.160
accomplish. If you have a clear strategy too. Yeah. If you're, if you're like a, uh, like a
00:49:13.660
digital product, similar, like, like what we're doing here. Uh, and, and you're not planning on
00:49:19.760
like taking this public and it being the next, next Facebook, then I would say you could do it
00:49:25.180
without debt. But if you are, Hey, I want to create this, this unicorn, you know, there's this
00:49:30.160
billion dollar company and it's this, this app or this program I'm working on, then yeah, you're
00:49:35.940
probably going to need to take on some debt or bring in some investors, which is not maybe debt
00:49:41.060
necessarily, but it could be formatted that way. Yeah, totally. I mean, I have, I have a few friends
00:49:46.480
that are, that are in the startup, you know, business and it, it's not an option, right? Like you have to
00:49:53.080
have VC funding to pull it off because they require like their strategy is to generate growth
00:49:59.500
as fast as possible, ultimately to sell. And, and, and, and it wouldn't work right by the, by the time
00:50:06.300
if, if they didn't take on debt and they slowly build the business by the time they got the actual
00:50:11.500
product developed, someone would have already swung into the market, destroyed them and, and sold for
00:50:16.940
more, right? Like it just, it's part of the game. So I think it's a different game, obviously for
00:50:21.460
everything. The only thing I'd add, and you've already mentioned it, Ryan, a little bit is just
00:50:25.440
strategy. I, I, whenever I think about debt, like, okay, I'm going to take on debt. Okay. What does
00:50:30.540
that mean? Right. I'm going to take this much and out of that, I should re get these results. And this
00:50:37.060
is what milestones I have to hit to ensure that that investment was a proper investment.
00:50:42.560
And, and also to add to that too, cause you're exactly right is finding somebody who knows this stuff.
00:50:47.720
Yeah. Because it's not, to me, it would not be smart to go out and take out whether it's 10,000
00:50:55.740
or a hundred thousand, I don't know, whatever your level of debt. And then you just kind of wing it
00:51:00.120
with what you're going to do with it. Then what benchmarks you need to hit, like hire somebody to
00:51:05.640
help you do that. And you think, well, that's going to eat into my, you need to my cash savings or,
00:51:10.620
or I'm going to have to take out more debt. Yeah, maybe, but it's way more efficient to do it that
00:51:16.080
way than just to wing it and hope it all works out. Yeah, totally. All right. Robert, uh, Gillespie
00:51:21.840
thoughts on how to be there for my father, for your father when he's, geez, how many questions
00:51:28.500
have I slaughtered so far? This is like every other thing last week. I'm like, I can't, I don't know
00:51:32.860
what it is like, or it's not reading how I would write it. You know what I mean? And so like when
00:51:38.200
sometimes you read a brand new book and you start reading it and you're like, ah, this book,
00:51:43.180
I can't read this book. Cause it seems clunky, but then you just keep reading and then gradually
00:51:47.960
you're like, oh, okay. You get that person's flow of explaining things. Yeah. Yeah. AMA is like the
00:51:53.960
extreme version of that. Right. Cause it's like every question is like, every question is different.
00:51:58.900
Yeah. Different cadence or tone. Yeah. Yeah, totally. All right. Thoughts on how to be there
00:52:03.320
for your father. When after 38 years of marriage, your mother decides she doesn't want to be married.
00:52:08.400
That's where I struggle with this is because he's speaking in third person. And I was like, wait,
00:52:12.820
is he talking about his own parents? Okay. Right. Okay. Um, and, uh, doesn't want to be married,
00:52:17.280
uh, anymore and wants out. Not only has she decided to split, uh, split from the house,
00:52:22.160
but she is also leaving the state, leaving her family and grandchildren behind to be near her
00:52:27.520
brother, who is her last family member as she, as her dad passed 12 years ago, I've given him,
00:52:33.900
uh, my copy of sovereignty and I'm just offering support, uh, where able. Yeah, man. Sorry to hear all this
00:52:42.300
stuff. This is an insane situation, you know, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it feels like
00:52:47.720
to go through this, but Holy cow. I can't imagine. Look, your dad doesn't probably want to hear all the
00:52:55.600
stuff about, let me, let me help you. It's all going to be okay. And let me see it. He's probably
00:52:59.440
a proud man. I imagine, you know, 38 years, he probably took pride in that. He's probably been,
00:53:05.180
you know, relatively successful and been around the block. Right. So you, you pandering to him
00:53:11.820
and like, dad, it's going to be okay. And let me take care of you. He's probably just my assumption
00:53:17.820
is not going to work. What I would say would work is just include them. Yeah. You know, Hey dad,
00:53:24.460
like I'm going to dinner Friday night. Um, me and the kids, you want to come with us? Yeah. And I
00:53:30.860
wouldn't make it a big deal either. No, don't make it kind of what you're alluding to is like, Hey,
00:53:35.140
I'm doing this. You want to join me? Right. Not like, Oh, well let's plan a big dinner and have
00:53:39.360
you come over. And then, cause now it feels like you're just cow towing and you're going to be
00:53:43.140
feeling sorry for him. And that's just going to feel stupid about that. Well, of course he's,
00:53:46.640
he's probably embarrassed, maybe a little humiliated too. Like I would feel like that.
00:53:51.040
I would feel like a failure. Yeah. So he's probably feeling, so I don't need somebody to pour
00:53:54.940
salt in the wound. I just need somebody to support me and kind of be there. So, so for me, I think
00:54:00.560
this is his father-in-law, right? Did I, did I hear that right? No, your father is his father.
00:54:06.680
Okay. So that's, that's even better. Cause you're closer. So yeah, dad, we're going to dinner. We're
00:54:14.140
going out to, uh, to red lobster on Friday, me and the wife and the kids. And why don't you just come
00:54:19.400
with us? And then when you're there, just be normal. Yeah. Like, don't talk about mom. Don't
00:54:26.200
talk about how he's doing. And are you feeling okay? No, just like, Hey, what are you working
00:54:32.320
on? Or what's going on? You know, like just be normal. Like nothing's wrong. And you do that,
00:54:37.280
like whether it's a hobby or him coming to dinner or you just swing and buy, but just, I would say
00:54:44.060
just include them. Just drop, Hey, a text, you know, a very simple text. Again, you're not asking
00:54:51.580
him like, God, can I fix all your problems? It's just like, Hey dad, thinking about you today. Um,
00:54:56.460
hope you have a great day. I got to go to work, but, uh, have a good one. Yeah. Just a text. You
00:55:01.700
know, just, just do that. Think about ways to do that. Be normal. Don't make a big deal out of it.
00:55:07.040
And then just be present. And you know, if he, if, and when he's ready to talk about a little bit more
00:55:11.200
deeply, he's going to know exactly where to turn. Cause you were the one that was there when he
00:55:15.320
needed you to be there in the way that he'll let you know, he'll let you know when he's ready.
00:55:18.980
Right. He's a grown man. Don't, don't treat him like a kid.
00:55:23.040
All right. Tyson junkers. What are five things? The last one kit, by the way, Tyson junkers. What
00:55:28.380
are five things? Every man should keep in his house. Sounds like a, sounds like a good future,
00:55:34.080
uh, video slash Twitter post by Mr. Mickler from the truck. Uh, I I'm going to truck
00:55:41.000
videos anymore. The what? The truck videos. You don't do them as much. I don't do them as much.
00:55:45.480
Cause years ago, somebody had said something on Facebook of like, you shouldn't do videos while
00:55:51.220
you're driving. And I was like, shut up. What do you know? You know, something like that.
00:55:55.180
And then I was like, Oh no, he's probably right actually. And so I stopped. Like I just committed
00:56:00.400
at that, at that point I was like, Hey, I'm not going to record while I'm driving. So I do some
00:56:06.160
truck videos if I'm, if I have a thought, but it's usually, you know, if I'm parked or get home,
00:56:10.940
I'll just record one real quick, but I don't do while I'm driving. All right. All right. So
00:56:15.060
how do we get talking about that? Sorry. Um, the first answer I'm going to, the first response I'm
00:56:21.740
going to give you is, is a cheat a little bit. It's kind of like the thing where the genie says
00:56:26.400
you have three wishes and one of them can't be, you can ask for more wishes, but I'm doing that
00:56:30.220
cause it's our show and we can do whatever the hell we want. And I'm a genie. I'm a genie and you can't
00:56:35.080
stop me. So my first one is a library, not a specific book, but just a library. Like every
00:56:41.420
man should have a library in his house filled with books that are going to uplift and edify
00:56:46.060
and, and give information and knowledge and help him be a better man. So number one is a library.
00:56:52.460
Love it. Uh, number two is a space. I don't care if it's the garage or the barn or there's a spare
00:57:01.980
room or it's like me, the podcasting studio, but every man should have a space that is his.
00:57:09.100
It's organized the way he wants. It's got the decor that he wants. It's like his space,
00:57:16.960
not to be a slob or to be disgusting or anything, but like to just go and just recharge. Maybe,
00:57:23.340
maybe you like to smoke on a cigar and that's where you do it. And you like, you have some
00:57:27.740
sports memorabilia or you have quotes on the wall that inspire you, but every, or you have all your
00:57:34.080
tools, uh, or your, you know, your hunting room where you have some of your, uh, well, even like
00:57:40.920
this, you know, you have some of your mounts and you have your firearm, like whatever, but just your
00:57:45.880
space. Yeah. The third one I would say is a firearm and be trained with it. Every man should have a
00:57:54.260
firearm in his house as long as you can. I realize there's some regulations for some of our, uh, some
00:58:01.380
of our international listeners and brothers, but if you can legally, then I would say that
00:58:06.980
I'm not, nevermind. I'm not going to get into that. You should have a firearm. Okay. You should
00:58:12.140
have a firearm. Um, well, I don't know what else I can't think of anything else. That's maybe you have
00:58:21.680
a couple and I'll like brainstorm. Any thoughts that you have? Well, when I read this, I was
00:58:25.460
immediately like, are we going from a survival perspective or creating an environment that's
00:58:29.880
best for your family? Right. Cause like, I think the book thing is like good for me and it sets the
00:58:34.240
tone for your kids and like books are important and they're laying around and you know what I mean?
00:58:38.020
But if I go on the survival side, then I'm like, there should be a knife in the house,
00:58:42.040
a backup water supply, fuel source of some kind. You know what I mean? And I started going down that
00:58:47.340
path. So I'm kind of fill in the blanks here and say like, let's not go that route. Like let's
00:58:52.180
do the fun route where it's not like so survival, but just like some things that are like good to
00:58:57.120
have for a man in the house. Yeah. I liked that. I didn't think about the room thing. I love the
00:59:02.080
room thing, by the way. Um, I books, man, I'm not going to be able to add to your list.
00:59:07.200
To me, a great chair. Like I, my wife and I, yeah, we bought for Christmas, we brought,
00:59:13.060
bought each other chairs and I, it's a, mine's like a really nice, it was more expensive than
00:59:18.040
I've ever spent on a chair, but it was a good investment. Like she has her chair and it's her
00:59:22.480
style and her, the way she likes it. I have my chair, they're sitting right next to each other
00:59:26.140
and it's just great. Like it's a leather chair. It's like deep. So I can just lounge in it. I can
00:59:31.180
read a book and it's, it's nice. So. Matt's you should have every, every house should have some
00:59:38.720
form of mats available. Matt's in the front room for sure. Yeah. I'm failing on your list,
00:59:43.620
by the way. Do you have those things? No, I don't have a room anymore. Cause once we,
00:59:49.240
we use the room for something else, I really don't. Maybe do you have mats? Do you have mats?
00:59:53.040
I do have mats though, but that's it. Oh, and not a library yet. Kind of.
00:59:59.000
And it is. I'm not talking about like, like this, this big, like,
01:00:02.980
yeah, like a dedicated room. I'm talking about like, you got your books, man.
01:00:06.340
Shelfs of books. Yeah. Yeah. Copy. Uh, I would say Legos.
01:00:12.440
Legos are important. Actually, I'm not kidding on that. If you think I'm joking, I'm not like
01:00:16.680
Legos are awesome. It's cause you're in the Lego mode. My kids, unfortunately,
01:00:22.660
my next, the, my two group of kids, my next gen group has not reached Lego stage yet. So.
01:00:30.140
That's your failure. I know my older kids have already surpassed Legos.
01:00:34.580
That's also your failure as a father. You're like, you should not be surpassing.
01:00:42.640
Well, what's frustrating is I'm like, I'm like, I asked my son, Ian, I'm like, Hey,
01:00:46.120
where's your, like your Harry Potter castle thing. Remember? And he's like, I gave it away.
01:00:51.100
I'm like, what? That thing was like $200. And then second, like, it was so awesome. Like
01:00:57.480
we should have glued it together and like thrown it in a box at least or something. But Lego has a new,
01:01:02.400
um, a new, it's fairly new. It's maybe a little older at this point. It's the Batmobile,
01:01:07.080
like the 1980s. Like, uh, what's that guy's name? Michael Keaton, Michael Keaton. Yeah. With
01:01:12.360
the fan in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. I actually made a Pinewood Derby with my boys one year and it was
01:01:17.880
the bat, that Batmobile. It was amazing. It didn't go fast, but it looked rad as hell.
01:01:23.580
You should look into, if you like that stuff, you should do those 3d puzzles. Have you done those
01:01:28.500
before? Yeah. They're called Legos and there's no instructions. You just build whatever you want.
01:01:34.860
No, I haven't looked at those. They're actually really, really cool. Like it's a puzzle and you
01:01:41.220
build a house or a millennium Falcon or something. It's cool. All right. I'll look into it. Um,
01:01:47.000
there's a great Lego show, by the way, that you should check out. Uh, Oh, I thought of another
01:01:52.560
one, a grill. Oh yeah. Yeah. Every man ought to have a grill. You're cooking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:00.340
You're cooking. So we've got our Traeger grill. I actually don't use it all that often. My wife
01:02:04.440
uses it like 99% of the time, but Hey, it's here and she uses it and I'll enjoy the benefits of it.
01:02:10.680
Full disclaimer. Ryan's not suggesting that you keep the grill in your house when you're cooking.
01:02:15.580
That's a fire hazard, but we're assuming on the property is acceptable.
01:02:19.380
Somewhere on the property would probably be ideal. I would say yard for me. I know that's
01:02:25.640
different for other guys, but like, it's really important that I have my yard. I like that.
01:02:31.760
That's good. You know, I would add one more. I got one more. This would be five, uh, a TV gym. No,
01:02:37.440
a gym. You need to have, you need to have a squat rack. That's what it is. A squat rack and a bench
01:02:45.840
that you can adjust. So you can do incline dumbbell press. You can do incline bench. You can
01:02:50.960
do squats, deadlifts, pull-ups on it. Pull-ups. Yep. That's what I would say. So I got, so we got
01:02:57.720
library room mats, mats, Legos, grill in a gym. You get six Tyson bonus. What more could you possibly
01:03:11.580
need? All right. I got to go. It's one o'clock. Yeah. Let's wrap this up. Okay. In the next 10,
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01:03:30.700
I would have probably just picked one of those, but good job. All right, Kip. I appreciate you,
01:03:35.140
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01:03:38.740
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01:03:42.160
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