Order of Man - Finding Purpose, Resigning with Class, and Developing Self-Worth

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.500 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:25.060 Kip, what's up man? Glad to be joining you for another AMA.

00:00:27.540 It's good to be here. It's good to have Summer officially show up in Utah.

00:00:34.160 Although, I guess you wouldn't know that, right?

00:00:35.920 I wouldn't know that. I don't know if Summer officially showed up here.

00:00:39.260 Mr. Maine. I like Mr. Maine.

00:00:40.820 Mr. Maine? Okay. I was going to say, you're not a Utahan, so do you get a new title?

00:00:45.860 What's the title of people who live in Maine?

00:00:47.340 I actually talked, so Mainer is the title. I actually talked with Pete, yeah.

00:00:51.900 I actually talked with Pete Roberts about this, and he's been here for, I don't know, 30 plus years.

00:00:58.240 He wasn't born in Maine. I think he was born in Massachusetts, I want to say.

00:01:02.520 Either way, I asked him a couple of months ago, when you get to become a Mainer, and he said,

00:01:08.980 never. Unless you're born in Maine, you don't ever get to become a Mainer.

00:01:13.380 You're always an outsider.

00:01:14.600 Right. My three-year-old son, he won't, even if we ended up staying here, and I don't know if we will

00:01:19.680 or not, but even if we did, he will never become a Mainer because he wasn't born here. He's three

00:01:24.040 years old, but he wasn't born here, so he's not a Mainer. It's interesting.

00:01:29.460 So there's like three Mainers in all of Maine.

00:01:32.400 That's right. Yeah, that's right. That were here. Their families were here since, you know, 1650 or

00:01:37.540 whatever it was. Yeah.

00:01:38.900 Yeah. But it's cool, man. We love it. All the people are really good. Yeah. That's what I found

00:01:44.860 is that everybody here is so nice and helpful and friendly. It's unbelievable, dude. I love it here.

00:01:51.520 I love it here. I was a little worried the first week because, you know, you're getting into things,

00:01:55.140 but I love it, dude. I don't know what else to say. I just absolutely love it out here.

00:02:00.480 What I find interesting about the East Coast, you know, on the West Coast, you drive down a freeway

00:02:05.820 and you can see the entire city. Like you have this good pulse in regards to how big it is.

00:02:10.460 Yeah. You get back East and it's like, there's trees everywhere. So, and then you get off an

00:02:14.400 exit and all of a sudden you're like, oh, there's a town here. Like I'd even see that from the road.

00:02:18.280 Right. Sure. So my question to you is, is the area you're in, what's the population like? Like,

00:02:24.140 how does it compare to, I don't know, like, is it the size of St. George? Is it smaller?

00:02:28.960 No, not even close. So I grew up in Parowan, Utah, which is about an hour North of St. George.

00:02:35.040 And I think there were 24, 2,500 people in there when I, when I moved there. In fact,

00:02:40.980 I think we had 42 people in our graduating class. So super small, super small.

00:02:45.960 Rams.

00:02:46.520 Yeah. The Rams. That's right. Yeah. Versus, uh, versus the Rams, right? South severe.

00:02:50.920 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but here in the town that we technically live in is, is 4,000 roughly people.

00:02:58.300 So comparable size. And then we're right on the border of Jay and Farmington. Farmington has

00:03:03.320 about seven to 8,000. So in the area, we're about 11,000, maybe 15,000 tops. So it's very,

00:03:11.340 very small, very, very rural. And like I said, I love it, dude. Um, I think this is,

00:03:17.560 this is our place right now. I haven't granted a winter hasn't come, but this is our place right

00:03:22.320 now, dude. It's, it's amazing. Okay, cool. So you get in the, the good small town feel,

00:03:28.120 right? Where everyone's welcoming and everything. That's awesome.

00:03:30.760 Like everybody's welcoming, everybody's friendly and helpful. Um, we've made friends. We've had,

00:03:36.380 we've been over to that. We've got a Lake, not too far away. There's a Lake around every turn.

00:03:40.960 It seems like, um, some friends had us over to the Lake and we pulled into the driveway. No joke,

00:03:45.680 dude. We pulled into the driveway and right out, right off his property. So he lives right on the

00:03:50.960 Lake and right off his property. I don't know, a hundred yards, maybe tops. There's this bald

00:03:55.760 Eagle sitting on this rock in the middle of the Lake and he's flying around. I'm like, dude,

00:04:00.080 this is awesome. This is rad. Like it is so incredible. I love it. I love it. That's cool.

00:04:07.400 Yeah. Very cool, man. All right guys. Well, for those of you who don't know what we're doing here,

00:04:11.620 cause you're tuning in for the first time and, and we know there's people every week. I don't know if

00:04:15.360 you know that Kip, I need to probably communicate this better with you, but the podcast download

00:04:19.260 numbers continue to grow and grow and grow, which is a testament to what we're doing here and how

00:04:24.280 important this work is of restoring masculinity. Uh, but anyways, if you're new, what we're doing

00:04:31.960 here is an ask me anything. I think today we're fielding questions specifically from the Facebook

00:04:36.660 group. Cause we had some leftovers from last week. That's correct. So we'll be fielding questions for

00:04:41.780 the next hour or so. And, uh, hopefully we'll give you some, some valuable insight. And if we don't

00:04:47.000 know what the hell we're talking about, well, we'll hopefully we'll point you in the right

00:04:49.780 direction. So that's what we're doing. And just so you guys know, if you want to join us on that

00:04:54.940 Facebook group, you can go to facebook.com slash group slash order of man. It's a kind of a, a secured

00:05:01.660 group. I guess you would use that term. So you'll have to request membership and, and it's really

00:05:07.000 around the subjects that we talk about today, as well as the topics within, uh, the podcast. And

00:05:12.200 it's, it's really just a network for men to stand for one another and have a kind of more in-depth

00:05:17.920 conversations. We also field questions, uh, from our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council. Uh,

00:05:23.740 you can learn more about the iron council at order of man.com slash iron council. Yep. I love it.

00:05:29.500 Cool. That's exactly right. And you used a good point with the word secure. Some people use safe.

00:05:35.000 I'm really hesitant to use that word. Cause I don't like the idea of safe spaces. For example,

00:05:40.120 it's not a safe space. Like you're going to get what you need to get. Uh, but you can't be so,

00:05:46.300 I don't know. I guess I'd use the term weak that you can't take a little constructive criticism here

00:05:52.560 and there. Cause you're certainly going to get that if you post questions there. Yeah, for sure. And

00:05:56.700 you should, you should, that's the point, right? You need that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So cool.

00:06:02.140 Well, let's get into the questions for today. All right. Sounds good. So our first question is

00:06:05.920 from Tom Guera, how to figure out what I really want to achieve and be in my life.

00:06:14.640 Is that it? That's all. That's it. Uh, what I would say is try as many things as possible.

00:06:19.200 Like your life is an, uh, a collection of experiences. So if you have limited experiences,

00:06:25.700 you're limiting your perspective and ultimately potentially, I guess what you would be interested

00:06:30.940 in doing as a career or as a passion or pursuing something. So what I would say is, especially if

00:06:37.200 you're young, like a lot of 20 year old or 20, 20 somethings ask me things like, you know,

00:06:41.440 what should I be doing? How do I find my passion? Dude, try everything. Like if something sounds

00:06:46.760 interesting or fascinating or intriguing to you, then I kind of feel like you have a moral obligation

00:06:52.720 to try it out. I don't think those ideas come into our mind without some sort of outside influence.

00:06:57.520 I believe it's God. I believe it's the Holy spirit. I don't care what you believe,

00:07:01.160 but ultimately I really believe that we get these, these, I don't know. I don't want to say visions,

00:07:08.260 but promptings, maybe promptings. That's a good word. Yeah. These promptings, it's like,

00:07:12.180 try this, try this, try this. And if you're young or you're trying to find something in your life,

00:07:17.100 just go out and try everything without any sort of expectation. When I started order a man four years ago,

00:07:23.760 I really guys didn't have an expectation of what it would grow today. And I feel like if I did have

00:07:29.120 some sort of expectation, I would have forced a lot of what we're doing here. And I think that

00:07:33.840 would have hindered growth, but I came into it with an open heart and open mind and open soul,

00:07:38.460 trying to figure out what this could be a really kind of selfish in that. I wanted to have good

00:07:43.220 conversations with men that would help me. But just try everything. If I could sum it down to two

00:07:49.840 words, it would be try everything and see what sticks. And then of course, see what doesn't

00:07:54.180 stick. Yeah. And, and Ryan, I'm assuming you say try everything versus think about everything is

00:08:00.240 because there's a drastic difference between thinking about it and actually trying it, right?

00:08:04.680 Like there's no, there's no way you can think yourself into experience, I think. And like,

00:08:10.780 and I don't know, like, I, I just don't, yeah. I just want to reiterate the words that you're using

00:08:15.700 is, is take action and experiment and try. Don't, don't think that you're going to get this figured

00:08:21.160 out because you're going to grab a, a, a book and a pen and paper and just write down some ideas,

00:08:25.820 right? Yeah. I mean, you can't, I mean, thinking is great. Let's not, let's not,

00:08:29.480 let's not overlook that. You got to think you got to be deliberate, intentional, but if all you're

00:08:33.820 doing is thinking, then you're hindering yourself. You're leaving stuff on the table. I think about this

00:08:37.700 with a jujitsu several months ago, I bought a, a book and I can't remember the gentleman's name,

00:08:43.980 but it's like, ah, what is it? It's a university. It's like a book about it. It says something about

00:08:48.400 university and it's a jujitsu university. And I'm like, I've been reading through that and studying

00:08:54.640 that and going through that. And, and I'm like, oh, that's a cool move. And then I get to jujitsu

00:08:58.660 and I'm like, shit, that didn't work. It's like, because you didn't, because you didn't try it yet,

00:09:07.380 you know, you got to earn it. And so the knowledge, it's the, it's the whole like physical part.

00:09:13.460 Or like, or the guy you're going against didn't cooperate. Right. And so I think it's like,

00:09:20.080 you, you got to, you got to experience it. The knowledge is great. I'm not, I'm not undermining

00:09:24.600 the knowledge. And in fact, I think you should go out there and gain knowledge, which is what I'm

00:09:28.860 trying to do by buying, for example, jujitsu books. Um, but if you're not experiencing it,

00:09:34.620 you're, you're selling yourself short. So try it, try it all. Cool. There you go, Tom,

00:09:39.720 Nick Bruno. How do you get a younger boy excited about learning self-defense slash self-worth?

00:09:47.120 I find it interesting that he put those two together in an age of distraction,

00:09:51.100 instant gratification and extreme comfort. Uh, not his son though. He just makes a point here that

00:09:57.420 it's not for his son, but he's asking for, yeah, I guess maybe another boy that he's influencing.

00:10:02.380 Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've spent the past, um, gosh, probably I would say 10 years. Well,

00:10:08.880 no, not my oldest boys, 11. So probably the past eight, seven to eight years, I would say coaching,

00:10:14.820 not only my son, my oldest son, but his teammates, you know, I, I coached three teams a year,

00:10:20.400 um, up to six teams, anywhere from three to six teams a year. And what I, what I've got to remember

00:10:27.200 is that the level that I'm at with competitive sports is different than what these boys are at.

00:10:31.260 So my ultimate objective with my eight year old son, for example, is yeah, to teach him some skills,

00:10:36.560 but ultimately to make it fun and enjoyable. If I can make it fun and enjoyable at that age,

00:10:42.260 as he starts to get older, like my older son's 11 now fun and enjoyable is important, but you see

00:10:48.980 a shift as boys turn into young men. And I see my 11 year old son turning into a young man where

00:10:55.760 he wants to have fun, but he also wants to win. He wants to dominate. He wants to improve.

00:11:01.260 But we wouldn't get to that stage unless we were willing to have fun with it. So I think about,

00:11:08.560 you know, my, my two oldest boys, they go to jujitsu every Thursday night. And at first I was

00:11:14.400 like, what the hell are we learning here? Like they were playing games. Like I think one of the games

00:11:18.600 they called chicken and the snake. Yeah. And how do you know, are you familiar with that?

00:11:22.860 Yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar with those games.

00:11:24.520 Yeah. So they were playing games. I'm like, what the hell, man? Like,

00:11:27.380 let's choke people. Yeah, exactly. And then I would ask my boys, I'm like, what did you guys

00:11:32.700 think? And they're like, dad, we loved it. It was so awesome. I just, I want to go back. And I'm like,

00:11:39.160 oh, I get it now. It's not about the tech, the technical aspects of the game. It's about making

00:11:46.780 it enjoyable and fun. And as they develop and grow and mature, then they can take what they've learned

00:11:53.200 about this being a fun, positive thing into now it's technical. Now it's applicable to other

00:12:00.520 situations I might find myself in. So my, my answer to that is don't focus so much on

00:12:07.160 competitiveness, dominate, win at all costs. They'll get to that stage. But for now it's about making it

00:12:15.000 something enjoyable that they want to go back to so they can eventually get to the point where they

00:12:21.140 want to be technical, they want to advance. And I think that just comes with a level of age and

00:12:26.740 maturity. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I have a flip side story where the first couple of times I took

00:12:34.200 my daughter at the time, I think she was six to jujitsu. The school was prepping for a competition.

00:12:41.740 And so it was those games that we normally do with the kids weren't happening. And it was kind of like

00:12:47.760 circle up, let's go over point system and have like these mini matches. And afterwards, like,

00:12:53.860 what do you think? Right? Same thing. Do you have a fun time? She's like, no, that boy's trying to

00:12:58.860 hurt me. Yeah. I don't like that. I'm like, oh man, this is a really bad time for me to bring you

00:13:04.860 to jujitsu, you know? Cause she was like, wait, that wasn't fun. That was like, that guy was trying

00:13:09.620 to hurt me, dad. I was like, yeah, but baby that's part of the game. Yeah. I tried, you know,

00:13:13.780 but it kind of hurt her a little bit and I was like, dang it. Bad timing. I just think we need

00:13:18.440 to understand that as a man, we're at a different stage than our boys. And I think I do this, man,

00:13:24.640 I'm guilty of this much more than probably anybody else is that I try to bring them to my level. And I

00:13:31.520 forget that my oldest is 11 years old. My second is eight. My, my daughter is, is five. My son is

00:13:40.700 three. I don't, they'll get there. Yeah. Like I don't need to be ultra in there. You know,

00:13:48.240 what's funny is even somebody who we think about as extremely disciplined and committed and focused

00:13:54.400 and like the epitome of quote unquote masculinity is Jocko Willink. But I don't know if you remember

00:14:00.220 this or not, Kip, if you were there, but last year at immersion camp, he actually talked about this.

00:14:06.120 He said, forcing your kids into jujitsu competition. That's right. And he said, you know,

00:14:11.540 he even opened up and he said, I feel like I kind of maybe made a mistake by you're going to go

00:14:16.140 against somebody that's, that's harder and that's tougher. And that's all he, he did with his kids.

00:14:22.820 And he feels like that was a mistake. Yeah. Pushed his, pushed his daughter too hard. I think

00:14:28.980 had her go with bigger people all the time. Right. Which, which as a, which is a 30, 40,

00:14:34.660 50 year old man, that makes sense. But as a 10 year old kid, not so much.

00:14:41.000 Yeah, totally. Totally. The only thing that I'd like to add, if you don't mind, Ryan is,

00:14:45.460 is he, he said something about in the age of distraction and instant gratification.

00:14:50.420 And I bring this up really just cause it's on my mind. Um, I was just reading a book about,

00:14:55.860 uh, delayed gratification and instant gratification. And one of the things that,

00:15:00.320 that it referenced was, um, how establishing boundaries and enforcing boundaries with our

00:15:08.420 children when they're young is actually plays a major part in delaying gratification.

00:15:13.840 Hmm. Uh, because we establish a boundary. You need to do these things first. You need to do your

00:15:20.520 homework first. You need to do your chores first. And then there is play, right? There's this

00:15:25.860 opportunity for them to learn a little bit of their grind, do work first gratification later.

00:15:32.180 Right. And, and establishing the boundary is one aspect of it. The other part is actually

00:15:37.140 enforcing it is super, super critical. And whenever we don't enforce those boundaries that we've

00:15:42.760 established, we're undermining the lesson that is to be taught. And the lesson being taught is

00:15:49.300 work first, play second, right? Delayed gratification, the joy of working hard and

00:15:55.140 then reaping the reward at a later time. And so I think, you know, to his point, he's, he's talking

00:16:00.620 mostly about self-defense, but he also made it a reference of delayed gratification here. And now

00:16:04.780 I'm thinking, Hey, there's opportunities for us to kind of set those boundaries even younger

00:16:08.380 and just make sure that, that we stay true to the boundaries that we, that we established with

00:16:13.060 our kids and, and start teaching them kind of those naturally good kind of early habits of clean

00:16:19.780 your room first, play second kind of stuff. Yeah, I agree. And you know, the hard part is

00:16:24.020 the enforcement stuff. Cause that sucks, right? That's not fun. And it's not fun for you either.

00:16:28.620 Yeah. No, of course. And it, and it sucks to, to have to, you know, tell your kid to enforce what

00:16:33.480 you've talked about, you know, to enforce boundaries or to enforce the negative ramifications of,

00:16:39.440 of not doing what you should be doing. That sucks. And ultimately it may create a sacrifice

00:16:44.940 for yourself. You may not be able to go on that trip or take that day, day adventure that you were

00:16:50.800 going to go on because your kids aren't, aren't frankly worthy of, of going on that adventure at

00:16:55.120 the time. That sucks, man. I like, we've been in situations even over the past week or two where

00:17:00.740 our kids haven't measured up to the standard of conduct that we expect of them. And we've had to,

00:17:07.120 we've had to, to skip some, some trips. One was to a wildlife, uh, uh, adventure where we actually

00:17:15.320 go through like a little safari and they can see all animals. They didn't get to do that. We were

00:17:19.900 planning on doing it. And we said, Nope, you guys haven't earned that yet. And that sucks. Cause I

00:17:23.720 wanted to go to totally. And so I remember when I was little, and this is kind of a funny story,

00:17:29.540 but we were going to go to like some, I can't even remember exactly, but it was some like Disney,

00:17:34.080 I don't know, like, like musical or something. And my sister was just being a little jerk.

00:17:43.800 And my mom said, we're not going. And I wasn't being that way, but she was being that way. And

00:17:49.460 so we couldn't go. And so looking at it, I was like, as a child, I was like, well, that sucks.

00:17:53.480 You know, like I got, I didn't get to go on that thing, but, but now I look at it and think, well,

00:17:58.120 that was actually, that was actually bold of my mom and probably the right thing to do in the grand

00:18:04.700 scheme of things, even though it sucked in the moment.

00:18:07.580 Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's amazing how much, you know, like kids think like, ah, mom and dad's like,

00:18:13.720 you know, preventing us from having fun. And how often it's like, no, you're preventing us from

00:18:18.380 having fun because we wanted to do that too. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah.

00:18:23.740 Yeah. It's funny. Hey, a little side note here. I was going to tell you is I don't know why,

00:18:27.960 but I'm on Libsyn right now. This is where we track all our podcasts and social media stuff. And

00:18:32.540 I'm looking at it and this was just pulled up, but, and I don't know, even know the timeframe,

00:18:38.800 but we've got one and a half million downloads in the United States. Maybe this is in the last month

00:18:43.620 or so. I don't know. I'll have to look a million and a half downloads in the United States,

00:18:48.280 Canada, 66,000. I'm trying to figure out where else do we've got all over. It's crazy. Brazil,

00:18:55.520 4,700 Algeria, 90. What? Yeah. Algeria, Australia. So Canada is a close, not even a close second,

00:19:03.320 a long second with 66,000 Australia, 43,000 downloads, China, 2,200 downloads, Russia. Come on,

00:19:12.080 Russia. You got to pick it up. You only got 600 downloads. Um, dude, check this out.

00:19:17.140 Malawi, which is in South Africa. It's a small little country in South Africa, 4,600 Madagascar,

00:19:25.360 three, three people are listening in Madagascar. Um, that's chilly 412 Mexico 5,400. Anyways,

00:19:33.360 this was just like, I'm digging through this a little bit. Uh, New Zealand, 5,000 downloads in

00:19:40.740 New Zealand. Good job, fellas. Appreciate you. Libya. We got to ramp you up three downloads.

00:19:47.200 Anyways, this is kind of crazy, crazy map. I should shoot this over to you so you can access this.

00:19:52.180 Yeah. I love that. I mean, when we pulled, when we pulled the report that we're, that I created for

00:19:58.300 Iron Council, I was actually surprised even in our exclusive brotherhood, the Iron Council. Like

00:20:04.220 I didn't realize how many foreigners have, uh, kind of joined the fight.

00:20:09.520 Oh yeah, dude. You know what I mean? It's incredible. It's like, it's really impressive.

00:20:12.680 Like I'm looking at Sierra Leone, six, the six men in Sierra Leone are listening to our podcast.

00:20:18.840 Yeah. Um, yeah, dude, it's awesome. Oh, by the way, Tom Kingwell, we talked about last week.

00:20:24.040 Remember we talking about him? Yeah. South Africa, brother. South Africa.

00:20:29.080 Oh, I know. Yeah. He, he messaged me and started laughing. Yeah. He's like,

00:20:33.300 it was really entertaining to listen to you guys try to figure out where I was from.

00:20:37.260 Yeah. We have guys in the Iron Council. We have guys, Canada, U S Australia, Germany, Korea, Ireland,

00:20:44.660 China. Uh, I love it, dude. I don't even know where half of this entire planet. Like I was in Iraq in

00:20:50.820 2005 and 2006. Now we've got 216 guys listening to the order man podcast in Iraq soon to be thousands

00:20:59.000 and thousands of men. This is going to span the entire planet. I love it. I love looking at this

00:21:03.780 stuff. Libya three. Keep going guys. We need four. That's nuts. All right. Sorry. Tangent. No,

00:21:11.480 no worries. South Africa though. We got a lot of guys in South Africa. That's really cool.

00:21:16.760 Pretty cool. I love it. You know what? I have to, I have to go on this tangent. So,

00:21:22.280 so I'm reading this book about a kind of a crisis around, uh, I was reading these stats around the

00:21:28.180 crisis around fatherless homes or whatever. And I'm like, Asia, check this out. Landon and I read

00:21:33.520 off these stats and she's like, that's crazy. Like the, just the numbers and the stats around

00:21:38.440 the problems tied to that is just blows my mind. And, and I'm going over this stuff with her and

00:21:44.500 she's like, so how do you fix that? And then I'm like, babe, what are you doing? We're doing it,

00:21:50.840 dude. And she's like, what do you mean? I'm like, what do you think the order of man podcast is about?

00:21:55.980 Why do you think I'm so fired up about the iron council? Like that's how you do it.

00:22:00.160 Yeah, man. Right. That's, that's how we get guys. That's how we reduce the number of homes

00:22:05.760 that don't have fathers in them. Why to get guys to level up, to take on responsibilities,

00:22:10.100 to become the men they were meant to be. And that's, that's ultimately what we're accomplishing.

00:22:14.800 And it felt really fun and gratifying to be able to say, Hey, you know what? I'm part of actually

00:22:20.980 doing something about this statistic that bothers me. Yeah, man. I love that. I love that perspective.

00:22:26.180 It's like, this is what's bothering me. This is what's on my mind. And you know what,

00:22:29.140 guys, if you're listening to this right now, I know we're getting off on some tangents here,

00:22:32.180 but if there, whether it's the return to masculinity or something else entirely,

00:22:37.660 if there's something on your mind and it's bothering you, or you see a deficiency or a

00:22:43.980 problem in society, you're a man, dude, it's your obligation to fix it. Not just yap about it and

00:22:50.780 talk about all the wonderful things that could be, but to actually go out into the world and start

00:22:54.880 fixing shit. And, and, and that's what I'm doing. You know, I hear guys in the Facebook group or

00:22:59.580 order a man or iron counselor or wherever, and they're like, well, what are we going to do about

00:23:02.880 it? I'm like, what do you think we're doing, man? Like, I know we could continue to improve it and

00:23:08.320 we will, we will, we'll continue to adapt and evolve and grow. But that's what we're doing here,

00:23:13.540 man, is we're, we're, we're, we're, we're actively working towards a solution rather than just talk

00:23:20.280 about, uh, talk about solutions and ideas. Like we're, we're doing it, man. And I love it. I love

00:23:26.900 it. Yeah. I'm looking at this map, dude. I could spend all day on this map and think about how we

00:23:31.500 could ramp these numbers up here. Yeah. You need to take a screenshot of that. I want to,

00:23:36.440 I'll make that my wallpaper. I don't even want to, I don't want to shoot you a screenshot. I actually

00:23:40.520 want to give you, I'll give you the link. So it's interactive. So you can actually see like Libya,

00:23:45.160 three guys, come on, Libya. We got to ramp this up here. Yeah. It's cool. It's so cool. I love the

00:23:52.140 analogy of being on the court versus being in the stands and watching the game. And, and just to what

00:23:59.440 you're saying, you know, it's like, get on the court, play the game. Yeah, man. You know, the only

00:24:04.280 way you're going to be good at a game or figure out if you're good at a game is by being on the

00:24:08.540 court and attempting, you know what I mean? To play versus sitting on the stands and be a spectator

00:24:13.120 spectator like everyone else. Yeah. All right. So U S is number one. That's obvious. Um, Canada,

00:24:20.180 Canada, obviously U S is number one, Canada, 66,000. So U S is 1.3 million, Canada, 66,000

00:24:29.460 and Australia, not far behind Canada with 43,000. So let's compete guys. Let's make this happen.

00:24:36.000 Australia. I was just going to say this just got competitive. Yeah.

00:24:39.120 Good. Fine. If that works, then whatever. So be it. All right. What else we got?

00:24:45.380 Love it. Harley Migley. How should I tell my boss? I don't want to sheet rock anymore.

00:24:50.520 And I want to work for another company that's doing concrete. I don't want to burn a bridge

00:24:54.780 because he's the biggest carpenter union company in the area. So if I get laid off later

00:24:59.220 on from the concrete company, I might need to do drywall again. Yeah.

00:25:03.440 Well, two things here. Number one, do a good job, do a good job. That's it.

00:25:09.880 Until you leave. Until you leave. That's right. Don't be slacking. Don't be dinking around. Don't

00:25:14.760 have one foot out the door and one foot in like do the, like be the best damn drywaller that ever

00:25:22.380 existed. When they write the history books about drywall, you will be in the history books because

00:25:27.640 you were the guy that whatever implemented the new, new technology or new stuff or hold

00:25:34.060 the Guinness world record for most drywall in 24 hours. I don't know. That's what I would say.

00:25:40.500 Number one, number two, just be straightforward with the dude. Be a man. Hey, John, I appreciate

00:25:48.840 all the opportunities that you've provided me. I've worked my ass off for you. Uh, I, I have done

00:25:54.740 all that I can do and I've really appreciated everything that you've taught me. I've got this

00:25:59.860 wonderful opportunity doing concrete. Wasn't doing concrete over here with Steve. And I feel like

00:26:07.180 this move will be the best thing for me and my family and the people that I have an obligation for.

00:26:13.720 I'm going to pursue this opportunity. I just want, as I leave to thank you for what you've given me

00:26:21.800 to thank you for what you've provided to me. And, uh, I, I am, I am in your debt. I am in your

00:26:30.300 service. And if there's anything I can do is, as I leave over the next couple of weeks to help you

00:26:35.000 finish out some jobs, or maybe even potentially refer you to people that might replace me.

00:26:40.020 I'm happy to do that. I'm happy to help you serve him, serve yourself and serve him. And if you go do

00:26:47.680 concrete and something slows down over there and you reach back out to John, he's going to have no

00:26:53.360 problem bringing you on because he knows when you come to work to do your job, you are somebody who

00:26:59.980 kicks ass and, and gets the job done. And he's not going to have any problem with that. I guarantee

00:27:04.760 that. And if he's going to be an ass about it, well, okay, then you probably made the right move

00:27:11.060 anyways. Yeah. I mean, if someone's going to be an ass and that's your response, like that's how you

00:27:15.680 communicate to him, you know what I mean? That guy has other problems. Come on. Yeah, exactly.

00:27:20.400 Yeah. Well, let's be frank. I mean, you, if a guy came to me and said, Hey, I want to change

00:27:23.840 industries or trades. And I just want to get in this other area. Cause it really interests me.

00:27:27.820 And I respect that individual. I'm not going to take that personal. I totally get that.

00:27:31.920 And if you, you know what, like I'm trying to think about my perspective is quote unquote, John,

00:27:36.160 I would be upset. I would be upset losing you. Yeah. I'll be upset about that. And,

00:27:43.240 and I would try to make do, but if you ever came back to me and said, Hey man, you know,

00:27:47.560 times are slow. Can I come work for you? Like, hell yeah. Finally, dude, I've been counting the

00:27:51.540 days since you would come back and work for me. Yeah. That's what we want to create. Make yourself

00:27:57.580 indispensable. There's a great book. Actually. I think it's what's it called? Lynchpin. It's

00:28:02.040 called Lynchpin by Seth Godin. Make yourself indispensable. Read that book, make yourself

00:28:06.860 indispensable. And, uh, and I think you solve all your problems here. This is not even a

00:28:12.340 problem. It's a great problem to have that you have an opportunity to go pursue something else.

00:28:16.480 Yeah. Yeah. And good job giving some thought to it too, Harley. Like, you know what I mean?

00:28:21.060 You want to handle this appropriately. Yeah. So yeah. Jeremiah Daniel Heathco with both of y'all

00:28:26.780 raising boys, any tips on potty training them? Did you find one way easier than another,

00:28:31.020 or just tried one way and stuck with it? I'm not really the guy to ask on this. My wife takes

00:28:37.320 care of a lot of this. She's the homemaker. And of course I support her and help her. And we talk

00:28:41.580 about this stuff. I hate potty training, dude. I hate potty training. Oh, we have one more. We

00:28:47.860 have four kids and we have one more. That's still not quite potty trained. You can go to

00:28:51.640 number one, but he can't do number two in the potty yet. Yeah. Uh, I don't know, you know,

00:28:58.240 like encourage it. I actually, I know this sounds weird, but I actually let my son watch me pee

00:29:02.860 and he's fascinated by it because he's like, Oh, and then when I'm doing it, I show him it's weird,

00:29:08.600 right? Little dude looking at your junk. I'm like, this is weird. But, but at the same time,

00:29:14.480 I talked to him like, Hey, this is how big boys do it. Like, this is how I do it. And this is how

00:29:18.300 your brothers do it. And he's fascinated. He's like, what the hell's going on here? This is amazing.

00:29:24.380 So I, I foster it that way. I don't, I don't know, man. Today he, he pooped in his pants this morning

00:29:31.540 and I'm like, Ooh, that's gross. Like, I don't know if that's the right thing or not, but those

00:29:36.020 are some of the things that I do. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe you have some better ideas.

00:29:41.760 I think my boys have all been different. So that's the main thing is what works for one kid may not

00:29:47.280 work for the other. I remember my oldest, he, the same thing. He, he would use the bathroom in the,

00:29:53.100 in the toilet easily, but for whatever reason, he did not want to take a dump in that toilet. And it was,

00:29:59.780 it was getting over, like, we're getting fed up. So we're done. Yeah. So we corralled him in the

00:30:05.620 kitchen that had tile and we just like put up like the little baby gate to keep in the kitchen.

00:30:11.780 And we made, and he got him naked and there was access to a bathroom in there and that's it.

00:30:17.500 We just let him put him in the kitchen and, and he would not, he would not like just poop on the

00:30:23.000 ground. He knew that he didn't have something to catch it. So he was like, you're like holding,

00:30:28.060 holding, holding, holding. And eventually he's like crying. Like I got to go, you know,

00:30:31.620 or whatever. And then we're like, go for it, dude. There you go. Yeah. So we didn't have to

00:30:35.860 do that with the other kids, but that's what worked out for him. So I think the main thing too,

00:30:40.380 though, is, and she, same thing. Like I, I take no credit for, for any of this. Um, but, uh,

00:30:48.060 Asia's already started getting our, our seven month year old quasi potty training,

00:30:54.520 like seven months. No joke. Like he's not smart enough to yet to figure it out, but what she's

00:31:02.140 done, she's already thinking ahead. Like if he looks like he's has, like, he's thinking a dump,

00:31:07.340 like he's grunting or whatever, she'll be like, Oh, let's go potty. And she'll like take him to the

00:31:12.080 toilet and hold him over the toilet and he'll use the bathroom in the toilet. That's awesome,

00:31:15.540 dude. That's way better. Cause my wife's like, I just let him go. And I'm not saying one's right or the,

00:31:20.680 right or wrong. I'm just saying my wife is more like, I'll just let him do it when he's,

00:31:24.700 when he's ready. And me as a dad, I'm like, well, I don't want to be shitting his pants when he's

00:31:29.660 five years old, but it all works itself out. It does. Oh man. We laugh cause we've been through

00:31:38.820 it all, man. And then you're going to laugh because this, this is the worst part is when

00:31:43.400 you're on a road trip and you get one of these little guys potty trained and you're in the middle

00:31:48.680 of nowhere and they go, daddy, I gotta go poo poo. And then you, and then you're tempted to say,

00:31:53.380 just go in your pants. Just go for it, man. And then you undermine everything you've worked so

00:31:57.940 hard for over the past several months. Totally. Cause you don't want to pull over and like help

00:32:00.620 this kid to get up on the side of the road. Uh, we're laughing at you, man, but we're not laughing

00:32:06.620 at you. We're laughing with you. We've all, we've all been there. It's brutal. It is, man.

00:32:12.080 Awesome. All right. Adam Elrod, have you covered changes to the iron council? It's been over a

00:32:17.780 year or so. Uh, since he was a part of the iron council and he's thinking about re-upping for a

00:32:23.060 term and wouldn't mind knowing details of what has changed since I left. Sure. Yeah. First off,

00:32:28.760 Adam, I appreciate you, brother. Like every time you comment in the Facebook group, um,

00:32:34.440 it's amazing. It's amazing. I'm like this guy for president, right? Like this guy is,

00:32:41.120 is his insight and his thought and his, his, just his, where he's at is, is incredible to me.

00:32:47.660 It's right in line with what we're doing. Uh, as far as what we're doing in the iron council that

00:32:51.380 may be different over the past year is we've changed communication platforms, which I think

00:32:55.160 has been a huge, huge advancement. Um, I know there was a little pushback at first because you know,

00:33:00.720 you're going to have that anytime you change platforms and something's unfamiliar, you're going to

00:33:04.840 have that. But I think ultimately in, in, in longterm, it's going to be huge growth factor in,

00:33:12.200 in our brotherhood, the iron council. Uh, one of the things that we're working on right now,

00:33:17.540 actively, actively and aggressively pursuing is creating advancements and, uh, so rank advancements

00:33:25.080 or, or level advancements, I should say. And then, um, unlocking certain achievements in the iron

00:33:30.160 council. Because when I started this four years ago, I always, always had the goal or thought about

00:33:36.380 how you, for lack of better term, quantify masculinity. And I think that through our rank

00:33:42.860 advancements and our achievements that we're working to unlock, I think we're, I don't want to say we're,

00:33:49.900 we're, we're cracking the code necessarily, but we're tapping into something that is inherently

00:33:54.780 masculine, which is competition and progress and growth. And that all comes through our rank

00:34:01.840 advancements and our, our achievements that we're going to be unlocking. So, you know, there's a lot

00:34:06.620 in addition to that battle teams, different challenges, automating a lot of different features

00:34:11.320 of the iron council. So it becomes seamless and nothing ever gets overlooked. But I think between

00:34:17.080 those three, four or five different things, uh, you're going to find a different experience than

00:34:21.160 he did before a year ago. Yeah. I think we've also ironed out kind of the path of growth within

00:34:27.960 iron council from a leadership perspective, Ryan. Like I think before originally, we're just kind of

00:34:32.620 like, we'd have a stellar guy and say, Hey, let's, let's make him a battle team leader. And I think

00:34:37.340 the establishment of XOs and fire teams and, and battle team leaders, you know, has kind of create

00:34:43.680 this, this path by which not only you can be a member of the iron council, but then you, you're

00:34:49.560 leveling up in different roles and responsibilities within that, within that ecosystem.

00:34:54.920 I definitely agree. I mean, we're always evolving. We're always growing. And if I've proved one thing,

00:35:00.560 not only the members of the iron council, but hopefully you listening is that I'm open to ideas

00:35:05.460 and I'm, and I'm receptive and, you know, I, I know I let my ego and my arrogance get in the way

00:35:10.460 at times. And I try to limit that as best as I can, but I want to learn. I want to grow. That's

00:35:16.020 why I started this podcast. And so I don't care where you are in life. I don't care who you are,

00:35:21.480 what experiences you've had. I really believe that I can learn something from everyone. And,

00:35:26.620 and, and I take, I take to heart what members of the iron council share with me as far as what's

00:35:32.820 working, what isn't. And I know when guys say, Hey, this is a flaw in the iron council. My knee jerk

00:35:37.460 reaction is to be defensive. But I think if I give it some time, I've really tried to improve

00:35:43.220 when it comes to accepting, I don't say criticism as much as, as feedback. And, and maybe some of

00:35:51.060 that is not as tactful as it should be, but I try to take that as not critical. Just this guy lacks

00:35:57.300 tact and is there truth to what he's saying? And I think that's, what's advanced and helped us grow

00:36:03.280 the iron council to what it is today. Yeah. Jason Benner, I'm having trouble setting new goals,

00:36:11.440 not to brag, but I've always accomplished most things that I've wanted to. And I've always had

00:36:15.820 goals before, but I own my own business, just built a new location and doing well.

00:36:21.880 It is okay to just enjoy yourself. I hate to be too complacent. I think he meant,

00:36:27.840 is it okay just to enjoy yourself? Yeah. I think it's okay to enjoy yourself in different ventures.

00:36:32.320 And it depends on what you're after. You know, if I'm sitting around Sunday dinner and thinking about

00:36:36.220 being with my family, like I don't have any goals. I just want to be present for my kids and,

00:36:41.800 and my wife and enjoy the moment. Uh, I'll give you an example. I was at jujitsu a couple of days

00:36:48.120 ago and, and Pete's high level black belt. And I was talking with him and, and I'm competitive by

00:36:53.240 nature. If I'm going to get into something, I want to be the best. Like, why wouldn't you want to be

00:36:56.700 the best at what you get yourself into? And I sold, I told Pete, I said, you know, I'm really

00:37:00.940 frustrated. He's like, dude, I know I can see it in your face and your demeanor. And he's like,

00:37:05.820 what are you frustrated about? And I said, I want to, I want to freaking win, man. I want to submit

00:37:09.980 people. Like, that's the point of being here. Like I, that's what I want. And he's like, and he said,

00:37:15.840 he's like, I really, he's been training guys for a long time. He says, I really appreciate that

00:37:19.560 attitude, but it's not the right attitude. And he said, what you should be doing instead of

00:37:26.360 defining wins as submitting guys, cause you're not going to define win as not getting swept for

00:37:34.060 the next two hours, not letting anybody get past your guard, not getting armbarred. That's your

00:37:40.180 weakness, whatever your weaknesses, redefine your win is something that's relevant in the moment,

00:37:45.640 not relevant what will happen in the next 10 years, but relevant is what will happen right now.

00:37:50.760 And so what we have a tendency is men of doing. And I think, I don't know that there's necessarily

00:37:56.140 anything inherently wrong with this, but we compare ourselves to other people, right? So I look at

00:38:00.560 you, Kip, you're a brown belt, correct? Or did you recently get your black belt?

00:38:04.560 No, brown. Don't you dare say that.

00:38:06.740 For some reason I thought maybe you did. Anyways, brown belt, you know, it's, it's good to be

00:38:11.000 aspirational. It's good to be, to say, you know, I want to be like Kip, but there's a danger in that

00:38:16.600 I haven't earned what you have with regards to, to your level of commitment and dedication to the

00:38:23.240 craft, right? That's the danger is that I want the results you have without putting forth the

00:38:28.940 effort. And so I can't define my success by what you've created in your life because you're further

00:38:34.040 down the road in some certain areas of life. I'm further down the road in some certain areas of

00:38:38.940 life than potentially you are. So I can't define myself by what you've created. You shouldn't be

00:38:43.660 defining yourself by what I've created and instead redefine wins as something within our own frame.

00:38:51.360 See what you're doing Kip is you're opening up potential and possibility for me in regards

00:38:57.460 to jujitsu specifically in this context. That doesn't mean that I should be comparing myself to

00:39:03.300 you. It just means Kip is showing me what's possible, but I've got to redefine my wins as

00:39:10.260 something that's relevant to me right now. So the, the technicality and the, the level of,

00:39:15.700 of, of, of, uh, of, of practitioner that you're at right now is not something I should be focused

00:39:23.240 on. It's really not what I should be focused on is something more relevant to where I am as a white

00:39:28.880 belt and considering those wins versus what you would consider a win. I hope that makes sense.

00:39:34.680 I feel like maybe I was rambling a little bit there, but I hope that makes sense.

00:39:37.800 No, I think it totally makes sense. What's interesting about that, Ryan, is I was just talking with,

00:39:42.980 with one of our black belts just the other day and, um, and I noticed that he's, he's going for a

00:39:50.680 particular attack constantly. And, and I was like, dude, you know, those guillotines or those calf

00:39:56.620 slicers are getting brutal. Right. And he was like, yeah, that's, I'm just, maybe I'm making that my

00:40:01.600 win. Hmm. So, so his training, he's even being superior right in, in his craft. He has adjusted his

00:40:10.420 wins to, uh, just not tapping guys because maybe that's easy, right? If he goes for the default tap.

00:40:16.480 So he's choosing his win in an area that he needs to improve on and he's adjusting it and he's making

00:40:23.280 that his focus. So I think it goes on both sides of that pendulum. I think this is a great point.

00:40:29.200 Um, I was rolling this weekend with Andy stump. I know a lot of you guys follow him. And as I was

00:40:34.360 rolling with him, we, we go for 10 minute rounds. So as I was rolling with him, he was really working

00:40:40.460 on his guard. He's got a great shin guard and defense. And I was trying to get past him. And,

00:40:44.860 and I felt pretty good after the match. I was like, well, he didn't sweep me. I never got past him,

00:40:49.840 but he didn't sweep me. And I felt good about that as a win. And then I watched him roll with another

00:40:53.180 blue belt and he choked this blue belt out. And I was like, I mean, pretty handedly. And I was like,

00:40:59.760 why didn't he do that to me? And I talked to him about it. He says, well, I wasn't focused on that.

00:41:04.360 He's like, I was focused on working on my guard, improving my guard, keeping you from passing

00:41:07.940 me. So he changed his goal based on who he's, who he's, who he's rolling with. And that was

00:41:15.500 pretty insightful to me because he, what he was working on with one individual was something

00:41:20.180 different than he was working on with another individual. So. Totally. Yeah. Totally. I love it.

00:41:26.380 Yeah. Matt Jacobs. My son is 15 months old and goes without saying that he can be frustrating at

00:41:34.060 times. What were some things you guys did to stay cool and collected when your kids throw tantrums or

00:41:40.460 would hit you at a frustration at that age? Did he say 15 months? 15 months. Yeah, man. That's

00:41:46.200 tough. A little over a year. I mean, he doesn't know what he's doing ultimately. Right. He he's just,

00:41:50.680 he's basically not acting out of instinct. That's all it is. That's instinct right now. My wife and I

00:41:56.160 were laying in bed this morning and my son comes up and he like got in between my wife and I,

00:42:01.520 he's like, my mom, my mom, he's, he's, he's acting out of instinct, right? He needs her.

00:42:10.000 He needs her to stay alive. And so the things that he's doing is, is acting out of instinct.

00:42:15.860 That's all your son's doing. All right. That's what you need to understand. First and foremost,

00:42:19.560 next, I talk about this all the time. Take care of yourself, brother. Take care of yourself because if

00:42:26.120 you can disengage from your other priorities and obligations, and I realized it's not always easy,

00:42:30.980 but if you can disengage from those things, even if for, if it's for one or two or three hours a

00:42:37.020 week, you know, every, every Monday and Wednesday, you're going out and you're, you're, you're shooting

00:42:41.920 archery or you're a jujitsu or you're, you're a bowling league, or, you know, you're going out and

00:42:47.220 having a drink or two with the guys or whatever that looks like for you. I don't know. You got to do

00:42:52.600 that stuff because now you can come back into the relationship with your wife. You can come back into

00:42:57.120 relationship with your son, re-engage, rejuvenated, recharged, and ready to handle him kicking you

00:43:05.900 out of instinct, not out of him, not necessarily liking you or something like that. So learn to

00:43:11.400 take care of yourself. That that's the answer. Yeah. I love that. That's funny that you, you were

00:43:16.380 just having that conversation with your wife because, uh, our boy, he's, he's seven months old now.

00:43:23.080 And, uh, he's just a tank. Like he just keeps eating. Like he does not want to stop eating.

00:43:29.120 And it's, and it's almost like really shocking. I'm like, dude, like seriously, stop already.

00:43:34.380 And, and if anyone holds food in front of him, he'll yell at you. He'd be like, ah, ah, like,

00:43:41.380 like full out just yelling. And, and he was doing that the other day and I'm laughing.

00:43:45.280 And, and I'd said this to Asia, I'm like, you know, it's really funny is like, we have a tendency

00:43:49.380 to like yelling. We, we label that and go, oh, well, he's not really well behaved or he's overly

00:43:55.280 aggressive or blah, blah, blah. We like, we add some meaning to it. And I'm like, but reality,

00:43:59.100 all that he's doing is ensuring that he doesn't die. Right. It's 100% just instinct. He's saying,

00:44:06.320 keep me fed. I don't want to die. Like that, that is, that is his mindset. He's not thinking about it,

00:44:12.760 right? Totally. Totally. It is, is 100%. He is a animal and he is just trying to survive in this

00:44:21.260 world. I don't want to die. Yeah. And it includes two things, eating food and being protected by mom.

00:44:27.840 Like that is his world. That's all he cares about. So yeah. The only thing I'd add for Matt,

00:44:33.240 to be honest, and we tell our boys this because you don't know, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't

00:44:39.200 admit this or say this, but I, you don't know people's tolerance, right? Like what you can deal

00:44:45.360 with sometimes. And so when, when I've had my older boys watch our younger kids, we, and Asia really

00:44:53.920 started this and I've just kind of jumped on board because I, I'm like, oh, that's golden. And we

00:44:58.680 always tell him, Hey, if you get overly frustrated, like you feel frustrated or mad or whatever, when

00:45:04.920 you're with a little kid, put him in the crib, walk away. You know what I mean? And just take a

00:45:11.540 break, right? Don't try to control the situation. Stop them from crying because guaranteed whenever

00:45:17.180 you've all held a kid and you're getting flustered, the way you're going to handle that kid is not

00:45:21.380 going to make him more happy, right? Right. They can almost sense that you're frustrated and

00:45:26.120 they'll just even be more crazy. So worst case, if you get in a position where you're just a little

00:45:30.940 ticked off or a little too fresh, just walk away. Yeah. Let them cry. Yeah. Babies are good at

00:45:36.120 crying by themselves. They'll be okay. So you remind me of something. Yeah. You remind me of

00:45:41.180 something interesting here because I saw a post on Facebook or Instagram or whatever. And, and it was

00:45:47.220 talking about timeout and, and the woman who had made this post said, you should never give your child

00:45:51.980 timeout because what they're saying is that they have a neglect or something that they're not receiving

00:45:57.380 that they want. That's why they're acting out. And that's why ultimately you have to give them

00:46:00.600 timeout. And I don't agree with that, by the way, I think your children need a timeout occasionally,

00:46:05.320 but the reason I need it or you need it. But the reason I bring it up is because it's actually a

00:46:12.680 very interesting thought. You know, I've thought about where my kids, um, act out or misbehave or,

00:46:19.160 or whatever it is they're doing. And I thought, okay, well, after this post, I thought, well,

00:46:24.060 what is it that this, that my son or daughter is missing right now? And is that something I can be able to

00:46:29.560 help? At times it just means that they're being a little asshole and they need time out at other

00:46:35.820 times. It's like, Oh, Oh, I've neglected my part of the deal. But that thought is at least giving me

00:46:44.400 some perspective and thought process about when a child needs timeout and when they might just need

00:46:50.400 some attention to, and it's made me a more well-rounded father.

00:46:54.060 That's so true. I mean, how many times, at least for me, I can count numerous times where my kid

00:47:01.220 acts out in some type of way, like yelling or, you know, throws a tantrum, but guess what led up to it?

00:47:08.020 What led up to it is me doing something, trying to multitask, not being present to my kid and them

00:47:13.880 going, Hey dad, blah, blah, blah. Hey dad, blah, blah, blah. Hey dad. Hey dad. You know what I mean?

00:47:18.340 And eventually they get frustrated. And it's like, yeah, I'd get frustrated too. I'd do the same thing

00:47:25.280 if I was talking to Asia, going, Hey Asia, Asia, Asia, listen, Asia. You know what I mean? It's

00:47:29.880 like, come on. I mean, so some of it's like us being present, but, and it's funny when they get

00:47:34.300 a little bit, I think 15 months, 15 months is a little too old for this, but I can't count how many

00:47:38.960 times my kids are like throwing a tantrum and I come into it like funny, like what you're going to cry

00:47:45.240 like a baby. And then I go tickle them and wrestle with them. And then they feel, and then they also

00:47:50.100 realize how silly that was. And they're like, Oh, okay. And then they are cool. And then we talk.

00:47:54.200 Right. So I don't know. Yeah. All kinds of ideas. All right. Gallon Edwards, is there a way to get

00:48:00.620 started training jujitsu if you don't have a ton of spare time or money? So this is interesting because

00:48:08.060 I got a lot of questions like this in the financial planning world, people I'd meet with prospective

00:48:13.600 clients. And what they would say a lot of the times is, well, I don't have enough money as much

00:48:19.840 money as I'd like to invest right now. So I'm going to wait until I get to that point. It's like, no,

00:48:23.380 no, no, no, no, no, no. This is wrong. Something. Yeah. This is wrong. This is not right. Thinking

00:48:29.020 correct. Thinking would say, I don't have enough that I, as much as I'd like to invest right now,

00:48:34.660 but I have $25 a month. So I'm going to start until I get 50, until I get a hundred,

00:48:38.800 until I get 500, until I get a thousand a month that I can invest. If you don't start right now,

00:48:44.500 you will never start. You will never start. So as Teddy Roosevelt says, start with what you have,

00:48:52.440 where you are right now or something. I butchered that, but, but you get the idea. Start right now

00:48:58.580 with what you have and the time that you have and who you are and what you are. And you can always

00:49:05.400 build and grow upon that. Is it ideal? Maybe not, but it's better than nothing.

00:49:11.840 It's the Kaizen method. 1% better every day, not a hundred percent better every day,

00:49:17.280 1% better every day. And then you can build on that and that and that and so on. And then,

00:49:23.280 you know, time might free up or you might have the financial capital to take a little bit more time

00:49:28.480 off at work, which is kind of where I'm at right now so that I can invest more time into some other

00:49:33.260 ventures like jujitsu and hunting and some of these other things that I'm interested in.

00:49:38.100 So don't ever let the idea that you don't have as much as you'd like be an excuse not to start

00:49:44.940 where you are. Yeah. And you just might need to be creative. I mean, it's amazing what two guys,

00:49:50.880 if you get some other guy or if your son is older or something, it's amazing what you could learn with

00:49:56.000 two bodies and some YouTube and just get started that like figure out a way to get started,

00:50:01.500 right? If money is really, really tight and you can't afford like a school, a lot of schools do

00:50:05.720 punch passes too. So buy a 10 class punch pass, go twice a month to start off. Yep. Right. Now the

00:50:12.680 frustrating part is that will plateau and then you'll feel like you're just showing up just to

00:50:16.020 get your ass kicked. Yes. But then at that point you're in the space physically and mentally to be

00:50:21.420 able to expand from there. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's, oh, we talked about Jocko earlier. That's

00:50:26.540 actually how Jocko started. I think he went to a class, if I remember correctly, he went to a class or

00:50:30.740 went with a buddy and he's like, I never want to be manhandled like that again. And then he would

00:50:35.700 literally roll with other guys in his unit or friends that he had on the grass, like on the

00:50:42.280 grass outside training in this exactly right. So just do what you can with what you have, where you

00:50:47.480 are. That's what Teddy Roosevelt said. That's what I was trying to say earlier. Oh yeah. When you didn't

00:50:51.860 think about it and just came natural that time. That's right. All right. Logan Rowe, how do you feel

00:50:57.480 about Dave Ramsey's, uh, Dave Ramsey and his financial strategy? Well, I think Dave Ramsey's

00:51:04.180 helped millions and millions of people out of debt and building wealth. I mean, what right do I have

00:51:09.640 to, to say anything contrary to that? It's the proofs in the pudding, right? I mean, it's pretty

00:51:14.620 simple. You know, does he have everything right? No, I think he's missing some things with regards to

00:51:19.520 the investment side of things. He's not a financial advisor. So I think he's missing some, uh, some of that

00:51:25.540 side of things, especially when it comes to the investment arena. But as far as debt, debt

00:51:30.640 consolidation, budgeting, saving money, I mean, he's helped literally millions of people get out

00:51:39.180 of debt and start saving kudos. Cause that's incredible. Yeah. So I just think you have to

00:51:45.660 take it with a grain of salt, just like you're listening to this podcast. Everything that Kip and

00:51:50.260 I say today, you ought to probably take with a grain of salt. No. Yes. Yes. Believe it or not,

00:51:56.520 Kip, we don't know at all. Right. So take it all with a grain. It feels like you do from my

00:52:03.160 perspective too. Um, you know, it's like, just, just learn what's going to apply to your situation.

00:52:09.760 And if you feel like Dave Ramsey has some good information to get you out of debt and get you

00:52:13.460 budgeted and get you saving money, then take it and run, take, take the good stuff, run with it,

00:52:19.080 take the things that, that, uh, that you don't feel like apply and maybe find somebody else to

00:52:24.000 fill in that gap. But, uh, we don't have to look for singular sources of information, but to say

00:52:29.380 that Dave Ramsey doesn't have any information would be, uh, would be a lie. I mean, he's got some great

00:52:35.860 stuff. Yeah. All right. Josh Coughlin, what have you done to your house to make it more, uh, make it a

00:52:43.220 defensible space? This is the house you just moved into as a week ago. This is tough for me because

00:52:52.180 it, there's a lot of, uh, I don't know. I don't know how much I want to disclose to you guys here.

00:52:57.860 Actually, you know, to say we have tons of open space. There's a ton of open space. Uh, there are a

00:53:03.140 lot of entry points to the house as well. So I've had to really think about, I mean, there's probably

00:53:09.340 nine to 10 different ways outside of just windows that you could enter this home. So I've got to be

00:53:15.440 very, that might be an overstatement, maybe five or six, but I've had to be very, very aware of where

00:53:22.680 the entry points are into the home. So we've, we've done a lot of things. We have, um, some,

00:53:27.800 we have a security system. Number one, we also have, uh, security cameras. That's, that's another

00:53:34.400 thing. We've got our, our dogs that stay in the home with us. In fact, our German shepherd is a, uh,

00:53:41.840 I would call maybe a Rover or a patroller. And what's interesting about him is he will go lay in

00:53:47.520 my daughter's room and he will get up. And I know this because I wake up when he does it. Cause I can

00:53:51.560 hear those little claws, like Raptor claws on the hardwood floor. He'll patrol the whole second floor.

00:53:58.160 It's really interesting. He'll get up and he'll run, he'll, he'll walk around the whole second

00:54:03.400 floor and then he'll go lay down two hours later up patrol lay down two hours later up patrol lay

00:54:11.340 down. He does that all night long. This is a German shepherd. Interesting. It's really, really

00:54:17.020 interesting. That's cool. So we've done that. Um, but we're upgrading locks. Uh, of course we've got

00:54:23.360 the cameras in place. Like I had said earlier, um, I'm, I'm teaching the kids about, um, entry and

00:54:28.900 exit points. We've talked about even just being here for the past three weeks or so. Now, uh, we've

00:54:34.900 talked about an emergency plan. If there's a fire or an earthquake or a natural disaster or whatever it

00:54:40.280 may be. A couple of other things that we've done is, uh, we're, we've called a, uh, an electrician to

00:54:48.340 bring a generator into the house. So we'll have, if the power goes out, we'll have an

00:54:53.180 external, external, um, source of power through the generator. Are you connecting it up to the

00:54:58.880 breaker? It'll be, it'll be hooked up directly to the breaker. And that's a, that's a big deal here

00:55:02.960 because power tends to go out in this area. Not, not all the time, but it does go out enough that

00:55:08.660 that's something that you ought to consider. It's a lot of little, little, uh, considerations. One

00:55:13.500 resource I would give you above and beyond what I'm telling you right now is go to Clint Emerson,

00:55:18.920 a hundred deadly skills. You can follow him on Facebook or Instagram. He's got a couple of

00:55:22.740 books out. Those books are actually really cool. Cause they're there. They have lots of pictures,

00:55:27.760 which is good for me. Yeah. My teenage sons are like, dad, look how we can hide weapons in our

00:55:32.020 butt. Yeah, exactly. He's got stuff like that, but he's also got some, some much more applicable

00:55:38.580 information as well. Uh, so go check out what he's, what he has to offer. But one of the things that he

00:55:44.120 talks about in his second book primarily is how to defend your space. And there's a lot of good

00:55:49.260 information in there. Again, that's Clint Emerson, 100 deadly skills talking about defending your

00:55:55.280 home. Check this out. This is this, this made my hair stand on my neck. So my, uh, where were,

00:56:01.760 where were my kids? Why was I home alone? I think they were at the lake. I came back early. Yeah.

00:56:09.040 Came back early. Cause I had to work in the morning. I get to the house and I take down the garbages.

00:56:14.840 And when I grabbed the garbage cans on the side of the house, I like, I hear something pretty loud in

00:56:20.400 the backyard and the dogs back there, which then rules out like a deer or something. I don't know

00:56:27.260 if she was, you know what I mean? Anyway, I heard something that kind of weird, you know, I take a

00:56:33.180 look, I don't see anything. And then, um, I get in the house and I thought I heard something in the

00:56:38.960 house. So I'm like, what the crap? So of course I get my gun and I kind of sweep the house.

00:56:45.940 Then I get a text from my wife and says, Kika's really worried about you. She thinks that there's

00:56:52.200 a robber at the house. And I was like, what? She just had that feeling or what? Yeah. Yeah. She was

00:56:58.960 getting ready for bed and she's like, I'm worried about dad. And she just came up with this story.

00:57:03.560 And I'm like, oh man. So I'm like full out, like sleeping with my, sleeping with my handgun.

00:57:09.520 Cause I'm like, man, this is, that made me really nervous. You know, kind of got my senses all. Yeah.

00:57:16.160 It was, it was weird. So what was it? Nothing. I couldn't find nothing. Interesting. House was

00:57:21.700 locked up. Fine. Check cameras. Everything looked good. I was just like, huh? Just kind of, I don't know.

00:57:27.900 Someone telling me to be a little bit more aware of my surroundings, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Crazy.

00:57:33.560 Cool. All right. A couple more questions. Yeah. Let's go for a couple more. Yep.

00:57:37.580 All right. Chris Penning. How, uh, how do I not let stress dominate my mental space? And I think

00:57:44.880 actually this question for Chris might even come back a little bit to, um, Matt's question about

00:57:50.560 his five month year old, right? There's a little bit of like, you know, stress, right? With a five year

00:57:56.140 old throwing a fit. So, or a 15 month year old. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's stress is normal. Right. And I

00:58:01.560 think we, I think it's just, it's, it's part of life. I think you're going to have things in life

00:58:06.500 that are stressful. And I actually think that's a good thing. It means you're probably pushing and

00:58:10.100 testing and, and, and, and expanding outside of your comfort zone. Uh, but I think what you want

00:58:15.420 to be aware of is chronic stress because that can create all sorts of health problems. Chronic

00:58:19.900 stress, um, is, is different things, whether it's lack of sleep or, or fat buildup. I'm reading

00:58:26.140 some books right now about building up fat through cortisol release in the body and, and how, yeah,

00:58:31.880 dude, it's crazy. Um, Ben, in fact, Ben Greenfield just did a podcast. Uh, it was about a week ago

00:58:37.820 on 16 reasons that you're not losing fat. And he said, one of the reasons is through, uh, is because

00:58:44.320 of excessive stress and chronic stress, uh, cortisol levels increase, which helps, uh, maintain, um, fat

00:58:52.060 because your body is storing that up. The body's amazing. So, so if your body experiences this type

00:58:58.760 of stress, it stores that up knowing that there might be some sort of, I don't know, some sort of

00:59:04.540 activity that may come up that it would need to rely upon that level of, of fat. Think about the, I mean,

00:59:10.660 back in the day, right? The natural, you know, caveman era, right? Stress meant what?

00:59:17.480 Starving and starvation. That's, those are the things that you stress out about, right? So it's like,

00:59:21.460 oh, he's stressed. That means he, he didn't get the kill this evening and is, and they're also

00:59:26.940 going to starve for the night. Right. So exactly. So the body is an amazing thing. So I think you

00:59:32.080 have to be very, very careful of chronic stress. I think his question was, what do you do about it

00:59:36.820 though? Yeah. Um, have releases. Don't let it dominate is. Yeah. The key is to, to have releases,

00:59:42.680 uh, and, and in constructive environments, I go, I keep going back to jujitsu. I go back to hunting.

00:59:48.120 I go back to activities. I go back to having friends and the things that I've always

00:59:51.440 talked about for the past four years is really taking care of yourself and finding outlets.

00:59:56.500 It's very easy for that stress to, to build up and become very overwhelming. We have a lot of

01:00:01.520 obligations as men taking care of the bills and making sure our kids are being raised right. And,

01:00:06.180 and making sure as to our earlier question about defensible spaces and making sure that our family's

01:00:11.420 protected. There's a lot of stressors in life. And ultimately that's your job. But if you can't find a

01:00:16.800 constructive, positive outlet to be able to release some of that, one of the things that my wife really

01:00:23.380 likes doing is she likes to, to do canning. So she's got a certificate as a certified master

01:00:29.020 canner. So she really likes to preserve foods and build up food storage. And as one of the things that

01:00:35.440 she does is she, she takes these jars of food, whether it's salsa or vegetables or peaches,

01:00:42.140 and she cans these things and she'll, she puts them into the steamer and the steamer essentially,

01:00:48.660 as far as I know, she could tell you more about this than I can. Vacuum seals. The can is what it

01:00:54.020 does. So it keeps all the steamer does. So it keeps all of the air out of the, out of the can itself.

01:01:00.300 It sucks all of that air, which preserves the food itself so that if you need it in a year,

01:01:04.560 then you can use it and nothing will be wrong with it. Right? So it's, it's literally vacuum

01:01:09.820 sealing the can. Well, if you look at the way she does this process, as she puts it on the stove

01:01:16.140 and in a, in a steamer, and she's got anywhere from five to eight cans in the steamer, but there's

01:01:22.460 that steam has to go somewhere. So there's a little release valve on the steamer itself.

01:01:27.340 And so as this thing heats up and the water is steaming, it's vacuum sealing the cans,

01:01:32.340 but there's a little valve that the steam is actually being released through. If that steam

01:01:38.020 didn't release through that little valve, what would happen? It would blow up quite literally.

01:01:45.340 The steamer would explode. And that's what happens in our life. If we don't have a little release

01:01:53.440 mechanism, a little valve that lets the, the cortisol release happen and lets the steam get

01:01:59.420 out. If you will, then we blow up. And how do we blow up? We, we lose our patience with our

01:02:04.780 kids. We say something mean or, or, or contentious to our wife or, or worse, you know, we abuse her

01:02:13.860 potentially even on the, on the extreme. You've got to have a release valve. This is a principle.

01:02:20.560 That's why it applies not only to how we behave as men, but it applies to canning food is because

01:02:25.900 it's a principle that applies to every situation. So what is your release? If you don't have one,

01:02:33.220 you're doing yourself and the people that you care about a disservice, because at some point,

01:02:37.360 whether you have or have not already, you will blow up unless you can release the steam somehow.

01:02:44.520 Yeah. Well, and, and to take it back to the, the iron council, you know, we we've seen guys and I

01:02:51.500 guess even order of man guys that have bought the battle planner or have bought sovereignty and know

01:02:57.460 what the battle plan is in the, in the four different quadrants we work on. That's a reason why we focus

01:03:02.940 on all four, right? We we've seen it time and time again, where guys will, will dive into one

01:03:08.140 quadrant thinking, Hey, this is super critical and works, you know, and, and they'll, they'll neglect

01:03:13.640 these other aspects of their life. And, and things like this happen, right. Where, where marriages and

01:03:19.860 relationships get on shock, uh, you know, um, slippery ground and we start looking in and seeing issues

01:03:28.120 in other areas of our life. Right. And so, um, yeah, just kind of want to reiterate that's, that's why

01:03:33.360 we focus in those four areas on our battle plans. Right. Yep. Definitely. Well, we have one or two

01:03:40.380 more questions. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with one more if that's okay. So Aaron Cummins, what would you

01:03:45.840 recommend for making a new guy friends? I have lost touch with my high school buddies and my college

01:03:50.920 buddies all over the country. By the way, that's probably a good thing. Love spending time with the

01:03:55.200 family, but I feel that I would benefit from some interaction with other like minded men. And I love

01:04:00.800 that Aaron made that note of other like minded men, because I think that's critical. Yeah. I'm

01:04:07.020 going to answer this very quickly and tell you to go to one of our Friday field notes. It wasn't last

01:04:13.700 week. Um, I think it was two or three weeks ago and it's called, what is it called?

01:04:25.200 I thought I had it. Maybe I don't. One of the Friday field notes was, um, establishing,

01:04:32.560 establishing yourself. Oh, here it is. So it wasn't last week. It was the week before

01:04:36.400 and it was establishing yourself or strategies for success in a new environment. So you're listening

01:04:42.920 to the podcast because you're asking this question, go back, find the title that says strategies for

01:04:48.700 success in a new environment. And I think I break down, if I remember correctly, seven strategies

01:04:53.900 for finding other individuals who are like-minded, who believe in what you believe in, how you can

01:05:00.320 network, how you can grow. Um, rather than just give you a quick answer here, the best, the best,

01:05:06.720 uh, resource for that is that podcast that I just did. So check that out. Again, it's called

01:05:12.060 strategies for success in a new environment. And whether you're in a new environment or not,

01:05:16.400 it's still going to apply. Ryan, do you mind sharing why you think this is important?

01:05:23.520 Why having, having, yeah. Like why is this important in your life or? Yeah. Well, it's,

01:05:28.760 it's critical for a, for a lot of different reasons. Number one is it's going to, it's going to help you

01:05:32.580 grow. Like if all you're thinking about is you and all your, your, your, your only space is you,

01:05:37.140 you're not going to be opened up to the potential or the opportunities that, that are there,

01:05:43.160 you know, the other perspectives and ideas that you have. Another reason we talked about it is

01:05:47.740 having a, a place where you can release some of that stress that you have. Um, because it's going

01:05:54.300 to add up, it's going to build up in your life, whether you're aware of it or not, it will build

01:05:58.260 up unless you have that outlet. The other side of it is that men push by design. We're competitive

01:06:04.020 in nature. And so if you're around other like-minded men, uh, who are, and this is a disclaimer

01:06:09.860 here, you've got to find men who are achieving at high levels. If they're achieving to the same

01:06:14.100 level that you are or lower potentially, even those aren't people you necessarily want to be

01:06:18.320 around. Uh, for example, the quote is, if you're in the, if, if you're the smartest person in the

01:06:23.060 room, you're in the wrong room. And that applies to smarts. That applies to skills that applies to

01:06:28.200 whatever metric you want to measure. If you're in the position where you're the best at whatever

01:06:32.780 that metric is, then you've got to find yourself in a new room. That's why when, when I go to class,

01:06:38.040 like he doesn't have us rolling with white belts. He has this rolling with, with blue or purple or

01:06:43.300 brown. And I rolled with some black belts yesterday because I'm not going to improve unless I roll with

01:06:47.620 those individuals. So there's a lot of reasons why it's important that you find other like-minded

01:06:53.540 men, but ultimately it's for stress relief. It's for perspective. It's for competition and growth and

01:06:59.220 progress in your life. We've always, men have always for tens and hundreds of thousands of years

01:07:03.980 operate, operated in tribes. And only recently through technology and through being somewhat

01:07:10.300 isolated have gone into this lone wolf syndrome. I do want to go through a kit real quick. Maybe just

01:07:16.240 these seven, just in case you haven't listened to it. Um, number one, join a local church. Number two,

01:07:21.800 join a business or civic organization. Number three, find friends in your area. Number four,

01:07:28.220 leverage your interest in hobbies. Number five, go where the people are. Number six, let people know

01:07:35.160 that you're new. And number seven, be interested, be interested in other people. So those are the

01:07:40.380 seven tips. And again, Friday field notes, we'll go more into depth on each one of those.

01:07:44.100 Awesome, man. We set?

01:07:45.800 I think we're set. I think we got through quite a bit today. Um, I know we have some additional

01:07:49.440 questions, uh, so hopefully we'll get to those next week, but, uh, yeah, I think we've got through a lot

01:07:54.100 today. Yeah. Stay tuned guys. We'll, we'll get through these other questions. Um, next week.

01:07:59.320 If you want to join the Facebook group where you can actually, uh, see the posts, uh, that Ryan asks

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01:08:12.660 And of course, I mean, we've already alluded to it a handful of times, but, um, you know, uh,

01:08:17.920 our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council to learn more about the iron council, go to order of man.com

01:08:22.760 slash iron council. Um, I did not check on origins camp. Did you, Ryan, do you know if it's still

01:08:30.600 open or not? Um, I actually don't know why you're talking. I'll look it up. If you have anything else

01:08:36.340 to share, I can pull this up here real quick and see. Yeah, for sure. Well, and we have a couple

01:08:40.460 events to announce, right? We have origin and then we also have, I don't know if you want to announce

01:08:44.920 the, the iron council event, although I announced it. Yeah. I didn't want to announce it,

01:08:52.640 but I guess I have to now. Well, Hey, if you guys want to go, you join the iron council and that's

01:08:57.200 how you get to go to this other event. But, um, you can connect with Mr. Mickler on Instagram and

01:09:02.800 Twitter at Ryan Mickler. That's R Y A N M I C H L E R. Uh, the order of man store is open, uh, limited

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01:09:18.860 you can go to store.orderofman.com, uh, to purchase that equipment. So yeah, I'm looking

01:09:26.060 at it here with, uh, with origin main, I'm looking at it. Registration is now closed. So it is closed

01:09:33.700 guys. If you really, really want to make it, I may be able to talk and convince Pete and Brian to let

01:09:39.820 something happen. So you just got to email me. All right. Ryan at order of man.com or even hit me up

01:09:45.260 on Instagram at Ryan Mickler, shoot me a direct message. And if you really, really want to make

01:09:50.300 it, um, I'll, I'll, I'll try to pull some strings. I can't guarantee anything, but I will try to pull

01:09:55.860 some strings. So there's that, um, August 10th and 11th. There is an event here in Maine on my

01:10:02.400 property, August 10th and 11th. If you go to order of man.com slash main event, order of man.com

01:10:09.040 slash main event, main as in the state main. So M A I N E event, you will be able to register for

01:10:15.500 that. We opened it up in the iron council two days ago, as of the release of this podcast.

01:10:21.040 And we're more than halfway sold out. There's only 75 spots. So if you want to do the main event here

01:10:27.100 on my property, um, have some instruction, visit origin, uh, you're going to need to do that very,

01:10:33.320 very quickly. Cause I promise it'll be sold out in the next probably 48 hours.

01:10:36.920 Ryan to clarify, is it for iron council members first, or we just announced? Oh,

01:10:42.260 I'm sorry. Yeah. We just announced it to the iron council guys first. So on the 10th and 11th is

01:10:47.360 open to everybody. Um, there is a special iron council dinner, an exclusive iron council dinner

01:10:52.760 on the ninth. So if you're interested in that, you've got to be a member of the iron council.

01:10:57.080 Even if you join the iron council, the same time that you registered for the event,

01:11:01.100 you will be eligible and qualified to come to that very special dinner that we're going to be having

01:11:06.200 on the evening of the ninth here on my, uh, here on my property in Maine.

01:11:10.740 Cool. Yep. Awesome, sir. All right, man. Well guys, appreciate you guys listening in. We went

01:11:16.880 through a lot today. Um, as always, I'm inspired by you. Uh, I'm, I'm learning from you and that's

01:11:23.020 one of the unintended consequences of, of being part of this mission to reclaim and restore

01:11:27.460 masculinity is, is, is learning from you. So thanks for being on the journey. Please share this

01:11:32.040 message in this episode if you can. And, uh, until Friday for our Friday film, let's go out there,

01:11:37.000 take action and become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man

01:11:41.620 podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

01:11:46.380 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - June 19, 2019

Finding Purpose, Resigning with Class, and Developing Self-Worth ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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