Order of Man - How Dogs Can Make You a Better Man

00:00:00.000 I know that on the surface, the title of this podcast might seem a bit far-fetched, but

00:00:04.760 I can assure you that what my guest today, Mike Ritland, and I cover regarding dog handling

00:00:10.060 and training can make you a better man if you apply it.

00:00:13.520 Now, obviously, I'm not making the comparison, and I don't want to make this comparison of

00:00:17.620 humans to animals because clearly there are huge differences, but there's a ton of psychology

00:00:22.700 that goes into effectively training dogs that can be directly applied to our approach as

00:00:28.860 men, like developing patience, looking for feedback, adhering to first or foundational

00:00:34.720 principles, how we can communicate effectively, but we also get into some other topics regarding

00:00:40.540 our current cultural crisis, politics, and our job as fathers.

00:00:45.840 You're a man of action.

00:00:47.280 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:51.660 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:55.740 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:01.180 This is your life.

00:01:02.280 This is who you are.

00:01:03.700 This is who you will become at the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you

00:01:08.620 can call yourself a man.

00:01:10.600 Gentlemen, what is going on today?

00:01:11.860 My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and the Order

00:01:16.300 of Man movement.

00:01:18.080 Man, we live in some interesting times, to say the least.

00:01:22.240 Exciting times, too, because times like these present opportunities if we're looking for

00:01:26.160 those opportunities, and we're making ourselves capable of handling those things when they

00:01:29.820 present themselves.

00:01:31.040 So while everybody else is running around scatterbrained and trying to stay on top of

00:01:35.200 things, if you've done a good job making yourself capable and ready and able to deal

00:01:41.080 with the adversities and the struggles and the challenges of life, I think you're going

00:01:45.080 to find yourself ahead amidst COVID-19 and the fallout from that and the political environment

00:01:49.780 and the cultural crisis that we're in the midst of.

00:01:52.280 And that's what it means to be a man, is to be prepared and ready for these types of interesting

00:01:57.940 times, being prepared for catastrophes, challenges, struggles, all of the things that we likely

00:02:03.220 deal with on a daily basis.

00:02:05.160 It seems like now more than ever.

00:02:07.340 So that's what I want to do, is give you the tools, the equipment, the resources, conversations,

00:02:11.480 courses, everything that you might need to make yourself, again, more capable of handling

00:02:16.740 these difficult circumstances when they come up.

00:02:19.380 So we've got an interesting podcast lined up for you today with the one and only Mike

00:02:23.780 Ritland.

00:02:24.500 He's back again to visit us because he's got some, always some great insights into what's

00:02:29.920 going on in culture today, but also talking, of course, about working with dogs, training

00:02:34.360 dogs.

00:02:34.820 In fact, our two dogs, Sarge and Shiloh, one is a German Shepherd, the other is a greater

00:02:40.400 Swiss mountain dog, have both been trained using Mike's philosophies and his tools and

00:02:45.960 his online training that he has available.

00:02:47.540 So we'll get to that in just a minute.

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00:03:30.620 All right, guys, let me introduce you to Mike.

00:03:33.060 Mike, he is a former Navy SEAL.

00:03:35.260 He's the founder of Tricos and Team Dog Online Training.

00:03:39.420 Again, his name is Mike Ritland, but he's also a New York Times bestselling author of

00:03:43.540 three books, Trident Canine Warriors, Navy SEAL Dogs, and Team Dog.

00:03:47.440 In fact, I think I was initially introduced to Mike through, I think it was Navy SEAL Dogs

00:03:54.600 because my oldest son came home with his book from a book fair at school.

00:03:57.480 And I saw that and Mike and I have been connected in some form ever since.

00:04:02.660 He's also the host of the wildly popular podcast, Mike Drop.

00:04:07.560 He's a fascinating human being.

00:04:09.320 He's never at a loss for an opinion for better or worse, based on how you agree or disagree.

00:04:14.860 But he's got opinions on the current culture, obviously how to train dogs and just generally

00:04:19.700 how to become a better, more capable human being.

00:04:22.900 So I hope you enjoy.

00:04:25.380 All right, what's up, man?

00:04:26.360 Good to see you again.

00:04:27.260 It's been a while.

00:04:28.600 Yeah, you too.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, kind of the same old stuff, just winding down the Constitution crisis, we'll call it.

00:04:38.040 It seems to be taking place all over the place.

00:04:40.160 Yeah, man, I want to talk with you about that.

00:04:42.780 Things seem to be opening up in, well, I don't think they ever really closed in Texas.

00:04:46.300 Is that right?

00:04:47.940 No, they did.

00:04:49.200 I'd say probably not to the same extent that it did in other places.

00:04:54.060 But they had restaurants, gyms, pretty much what they deem non-essential, which even that

00:05:03.360 list is, some of it you're looking at it and you're like, how are you guys deemed essential

00:05:07.460 versus other places that aren't?

00:05:10.300 But to me, between that and how they've opened it up and just the restrictions and regulations

00:05:18.580 that they put on people, none of it really adds up or makes sense.

00:05:23.740 There's not a good rhyme or reason to most of it.

00:05:26.280 And to me, what's most alarming is just how willingly people are okay to just hand over

00:05:34.960 their freedom to elected politicians, which the whole point of it is that they work for

00:05:42.900 us, not the other way around.

00:05:44.980 For me, it's just real simple.

00:05:46.940 It's that the government, their job is not to ensure your safety or to look out for your

00:05:51.760 well-being.

00:05:52.700 Like, really, their only job is to ensure your liberty and freedom and protect your

00:05:58.660 constitutional rights.

00:05:59.680 That's it.

00:06:00.820 You know, it's our job.

00:06:02.660 I mean, no different than what you sit down and shove in your mouth every day, like, you

00:06:08.380 know, to activity or lack thereof or, you know, how carelessly you drive or, you know, do

00:06:14.160 you act like you're filming Jackass 4 on the weekends and do stupid stunts and dumb shit

00:06:19.320 that, you know, puts your life at risk unnecessarily, which to me is every bit as irresponsible as

00:06:25.000 anything.

00:06:25.420 You know, there's so many other things out there that are far more lethal or, you know,

00:06:30.380 if the government decided that they had it in our best interest collectively as a nation

00:06:35.880 to get involved with and regulate, and they don't.

00:06:39.760 But then for whatever reason, this hotbed issue is turned into, you know, political football

00:06:45.320 that I think is largely that, is that, you know, I think November 15th, you'll, you know,

00:06:52.600 it'll be largely a blip on the radar screen, if that.

00:06:56.960 But so, you know, for me, it's just frustrating, you know, to see it all transpire.

00:07:02.100 You know, I did an interview fairly early on value attainment with Patrick David, and

00:07:07.840 we were talking about it right when it kind of first started.

00:07:10.980 And I equated it to, you know, about like the flu and, you know, took a lot of heat because

00:07:15.660 the, the interview aired, you know, about a month afterwards, kind of right at the height

00:07:20.460 of the panic, you know, and everybody's like, this dumb fuck, this guy is no idea, you know,

00:07:25.880 and, and I've maintained all along, like, I don't think it's that serious, you know, are

00:07:30.680 people dying from it?

00:07:31.700 Yeah.

00:07:32.320 People die from a lot of things, you know, people die far more from a lot of other things

00:07:36.580 that you never talk about, or, or, you know, the government doesn't get involved in whatsoever.

00:07:41.180 And I don't think they should, you know, it's not an invite for the government to regulate

00:07:44.400 everything else.

00:07:45.480 Right.

00:07:45.940 You know, to me, it's simply a statement of saying, Hey, be consistent.

00:07:49.760 And that consistency needs to be, you know, protect our, our rights and otherwise let people

00:07:55.520 live, live their lives as they see fit.

00:07:57.560 And with great freedom comes great responsibility.

00:08:00.080 Uh, you know, and it, it should be a big boy rules type of, uh, association where, you

00:08:06.200 know, that, that's what happens is that you get to pick what, what you want to do, but

00:08:09.940 you get to live with the consequences if you make bad decisions.

00:08:13.260 Yeah.

00:08:13.860 Yeah.

00:08:14.480 Living the way you want to doesn't absolve you of the responsibility.

00:08:17.800 You know, it's like, like you said, if you go out and film jackass for this weekend,

00:08:22.520 yeah, feel free, but you're going to get hurt or killed, or you're going to trespass,

00:08:26.540 or you're going to do something stupid and somebody is going to shoot you or whatever.

00:08:29.000 But you know that you can do it, but that doesn't mean you get to take yourself out of

00:08:34.680 that responsibility.

00:08:35.340 It's really funny.

00:08:36.160 I, I made a post about, cause this $3 trillion stimulus package passed in the house just what

00:08:41.840 a couple of days ago.

00:08:42.660 And I had made a post about, look, if, if, if you don't want to pay back your student

00:08:47.640 loans, then don't incur student loans.

00:08:50.860 I mean, that's pretty common sense.

00:08:52.320 Right.

00:08:52.620 And I had a bunch of people, it's crazy.

00:08:54.520 I had a bunch of people push back on that and well, you know, they're just kids.

00:08:58.240 I'm like, they're 18 years old.

00:08:59.480 They can make their own choices.

00:09:00.800 Oh, but there's predatory lending.

00:09:02.660 Cool.

00:09:03.120 Still your choice.

00:09:04.200 There's all kinds of bad characters and bad actors.

00:09:06.820 You as an adult, we've deemed that 18 is an adult.

00:09:10.100 You as an adult need to make a rational decision.

00:09:12.420 And some guy came back and he says, well, you know, they can't make rational decisions.

00:09:15.460 I said, okay, well, what, at what age is it rational?

00:09:18.620 So really you're just talking about a competency issue.

00:09:21.000 Now you're not saying that I'm wrong.

00:09:22.600 You're just saying it's a, it's a lack of competency.

00:09:25.360 It's pretty pathetic how much that we try to like shelter and bubble wrap and coddle

00:09:31.560 everybody from the consequences of their choices.

00:09:33.780 It's disturbing actually.

00:09:35.820 Well, for sure it is.

00:09:36.980 I mean, to me, you know, my pushback on, on that mentality is real simple is that, you

00:09:41.020 know, take Las Vegas, right?

00:09:43.360 You know, you're, you're welcome to go gamble there at, at that same age.

00:09:47.540 Right.

00:09:48.120 Like how, how, how much of a swindle job is that?

00:09:52.040 It's the same.

00:09:52.880 I mean, it's worse, you know, but right.

00:09:54.780 You know, we're not, we're not putting stimulus packages together to, to bail people that can't

00:09:58.960 keep from fucking gambling together.

00:10:00.940 Right.

00:10:01.460 You know, you're, and there's a million other examples of things that, you know, you, you

00:10:06.040 have the opportunity and every day that you get up, you can make a choice to, uh, you

00:10:10.340 know, to be a total bonehead or you can make a choice to, to make a good decision and

00:10:14.560 be responsible.

00:10:15.260 And, you know, you know, as, as well as anybody, you know, that, that daily grind that, that

00:10:20.880 is required to, to, you know, be successful at whatever it is that you want to do.

00:10:26.380 Um, you know, that, that involves a lot of those decisions of behind door a is really

00:10:32.080 sexy, fun and cool and instant gratification and, and requires zero impulse control and would

00:10:37.540 be awesome.

00:10:38.480 But behind door B is, is the better answer.

00:10:41.080 That's boring.

00:10:41.760 It's vanilla.

00:10:42.360 It sucks.

00:10:42.820 It's not what I feel like doing, but that's what, you know, is the, whether it's a micro

00:10:46.840 or macro decision, that's, what's going to get me, uh, you know, closer to where I want

00:10:51.020 to be, you know, and, and the people that have the discipline to do that shouldn't be

00:10:54.580 on the receiving end of punishment for, you know, the droves of people that, uh, you know,

00:10:59.880 have the, Oh, shiny and get distracted and chase it, you know?

00:11:02.940 And, and, uh, you know, I think that's largely what this bill is.

00:11:05.860 It's bailing people out that, uh, you know, that just haven't made good decisions.

00:11:09.740 Of course, not all of them, you know, for anybody listening that says, well, there's

00:11:13.440 a pick a bill or a, an earmark in there that, you know, helps some, excuse me, specific group

00:11:20.160 and whatever it, you know, this is a generic statement, but that's largely what it is.

00:11:25.700 You know, there's, there's a lot of money in that, that has nothing to do with what we're

00:11:29.340 talking about and really is, is just bailing people out from making bad decisions or

00:11:34.380 your responsible decisions, you know?

00:11:36.760 And, and, you know, that excuse that, Oh, they were 18.

00:11:39.620 Well, you know, I joined the Navy when I was 17.

00:11:41.840 Exactly.

00:11:42.400 My parents had, had the sign for me.

00:11:44.780 And, and a couple of weeks after I turned 18, the summer after I graduated high school,

00:11:49.180 I was in bootcamp, you know?

00:11:50.860 So if 18 year olds aren't savvy enough, you know, to make decisions based on lending, which,

00:11:57.600 you know, generally their parents are involved in some of that process anyway, uh, you know,

00:12:02.500 then, then we shouldn't allow people to, to join the military till they're fucking 25,

00:12:06.580 either that, you know, uh, or vote for that matter, like, or drive or all the other things

00:12:12.140 that these people enjoy.

00:12:13.640 Yeah.

00:12:14.080 Like why, why can you vote at 18?

00:12:15.800 And that's a pretty serious responsibility.

00:12:17.420 And these dipshits were talking about lowering it to 16.

00:12:20.460 Like if an 18 year old isn't responsible enough to take out a student loan to go to college,

00:12:24.980 then he's damn sure not responsible enough to, to pick who should be leading our country

00:12:29.440 in making decisions like that, you know?

00:12:31.560 So you can't have it both ways.

00:12:33.220 Like it's, it's either you let people live their life and you've got to live with the

00:12:37.160 consequences or you micromanage every single aspect of it.

00:12:40.940 Uh, and there's absolutely no, uh, leeway in terms of people being able to make big boy

00:12:46.580 decisions.

00:12:47.460 You know, it's, you know, you talk about the doors that you can choose.

00:12:50.620 I think sometimes it takes you going through door a and then screwing up and realizing, oh shit,

00:12:55.180 like I don't want to be in that door and then walking backwards and closing the door and

00:12:59.080 going down a different one.

00:13:00.240 But I know for me personally, some of the best lessons were the most painful lessons.

00:13:05.500 The one where I went in that door and I'm like, Ooh, I didn't realize this is what was

00:13:08.760 going to happen.

00:13:09.720 Learned the consequence, got my teeth kicked in and then started making different choices

00:13:14.460 from the negative ramifications of the bad choices I was making.

00:13:19.180 No, there, yeah, there's no, no two ways about it.

00:13:21.360 I mean, some of the best lessons I've learned have been some of the hardest ones.

00:13:25.180 Uh, and that's something that I, I, you know, just, just before we sat down in here was having

00:13:30.120 a conversation with my oldest child, uh, who's 15 and, uh, you know, and as a girl and is

00:13:35.920 right at that age of, of, uh, you know, knowing everything and, and, uh, you know, just, you

00:13:41.940 know, trying to, to get that point across of, you know, here's, here's what you want to

00:13:45.780 do.

00:13:46.140 Here's what you think is, is important, or here's what you don't care about, you know, and it's

00:13:50.960 always a balancing act, especially at that age, I think, because they're, they're even

00:13:55.900 younger than, uh, you know, than the 17, 18 year old college loan crowd.

00:14:00.780 Uh, you know, so there's still a fair bit of immaturity there, but, you know, I, I try

00:14:04.760 to, to give them the autonomy to make the mistakes while I still have the ability to, to control

00:14:10.400 the consequences and manage their ability to make it or only make it so far.

00:14:16.220 You know, because the last thing that, that I want and what I see with a lot of parents

00:14:20.520 out there is, you know, that helicoptering that, that micromanaging every single decision

00:14:25.560 that their kid makes or doesn't make, um, you know, and then ultimately now they, they

00:14:29.980 hit 17, 18 and then you run into that, they get swindled with college loans or, you know,

00:14:35.100 life just completely railroads them because they've, they've never had to face consequences

00:14:40.580 for their own decisions.

00:14:41.660 And I think, you know, that's one of the biggest problems that we have is, is that is

00:14:46.000 that, you know, kids, you know, now when they get to, to be out on their own, you know, they've

00:14:50.760 never had somebody say, yeah, you know what, you can do whatever you want, but I'm not going

00:14:54.680 to help you out when you fail, you know, or you can't pay, pay this, or, you know, you

00:14:59.340 didn't turn an assignment in.

00:15:00.460 You think that's a good idea.

00:15:01.680 Okay.

00:15:02.060 If you think failing is all right, I'm going to let you fail that.

00:15:05.260 And you want to repeat the grade fine, you know, like there has to be some of that.

00:15:09.560 And obviously that's an oversimplification in terms like you can't just let them do whatever

00:15:14.620 they want, but there's got to be some, some leeway there where you allow them to make mistakes

00:15:19.740 and fail and, you know, say, Hey, uh, what would you like to do in, in, you know, situation

00:15:25.800 X?

00:15:26.200 Well, I want to do this.

00:15:27.300 Have you thought about this?

00:15:28.200 Have you thought about that?

00:15:29.020 Yeah, no, I'm good.

00:15:29.840 Okay.

00:15:30.440 You know, even though I know you're going to regret this, I'm going to let you go ahead and

00:15:33.520 do it.

00:15:34.300 You know?

00:15:34.480 Um, and I think that's important, you know, and it's, it's hard, uh, it's excruciatingly

00:15:39.700 hard as a parent to, to watch your kids make bad decisions and let them do it.

00:15:44.840 Uh, but I think it is, is paramount to their ability to be successful, productive adults

00:15:49.860 and not a dredge on society the way so many of these entitled pricks that seem to be, uh,

00:15:55.560 coming of age nowadays are that baffles me that, uh, that it's, it's become so bad.

00:16:00.720 But I think you, uh, I think you hit on the root of the issue, which is it's painful.

00:16:06.480 It's excruciating as a parent.

00:16:08.120 I've got four kids.

00:16:08.940 How many kids do you have, Mike?

00:16:11.140 Two.

00:16:11.960 Two.

00:16:12.520 So I got two.

00:16:13.280 They're both girls and teenagers.

00:16:15.040 So yeah.

00:16:15.500 Well, good luck.

00:16:17.880 I'm not quite at the teenager stage with any of mine.

00:16:20.640 I've got three boys and a girl.

00:16:21.960 So yeah, I'm sure.

00:16:23.380 But, but the point that I think you made that a lot of people overlook is that as a parent,

00:16:29.100 it's painful to go through that.

00:16:31.480 Like the things that keep me up at night are not like what I'm dealing with my business

00:16:35.000 or I'm going to pay the mortgage that has nothing to do with me and everything to do

00:16:38.300 with, Hey, how are my kids adjusting?

00:16:40.060 Are they making friends?

00:16:41.180 Are they making good choices?

00:16:42.740 Am I teaching them what they need to know?

00:16:45.040 And I think what parent, what a lot of parents do is when they aren't willing to hold their

00:16:50.320 kids as feet to the fire, they're not trying to save their kids has nothing to do with

00:16:54.640 that.

00:16:54.820 What they're trying to do is save themselves of the hardship, the pain, the frustration,

00:16:59.740 the headache, the heartache of administering consequences for poor choices.

00:17:05.160 It's very selfish.

00:17:06.040 In other words, for sure it is.

00:17:08.100 I mean, to me, it's, it's the lesser of two evils and ultimately the easier path because,

00:17:12.780 you know, it's kind of like staying in a relationship that you're not happy with because it's just

00:17:16.840 easier than going through, you know, the breaking up, you know, phase.

00:17:20.840 And, you know, and, and to me, you know, there's, there is that element of like, yeah, it's,

00:17:25.540 it's hard to, to know better and to, you know, have somebody that you love and care about

00:17:29.700 and would do, you know, pretty much anything for to watch them decide to do something really

00:17:34.780 stupid, uh, you know, but, but you've got to let them do it.

00:17:37.880 And, you know, one of the unique perspectives that, uh, that I feel like I've, I've attained

00:17:42.860 over the years in dog training is, is very similar to that is that, you know, maybe even

00:17:48.040 too much in that because dog training is, is so much more black and white and less gray

00:17:53.300 than, than human relationships are because you don't have the ability to explain anything

00:17:57.920 to them.

00:17:58.420 You know, I can't tell a dog, Hey, you go past this, like you're going to get a correction

00:18:02.420 or, Hey, if you do this, you're going to get rewarded.

00:18:04.760 They have to learn that.

00:18:06.300 They have to learn that.

00:18:07.460 Now, granted, you know, where a good trainer comes into play is, is manipulating the environment

00:18:11.840 so that it's really easy for the dog to make the decision you want them to make.

00:18:16.380 And then they get rewarded.

00:18:17.360 And then, you know, that, that becomes a condition responsible.

00:18:20.740 Sure.

00:18:21.040 Yeah.

00:18:22.100 Um, you know, but similarly with, with the, uh, corrective measures is that, um, you know,

00:18:27.360 you're not explaining that this is wrong.

00:18:29.200 This is why it's wrong.

00:18:30.180 This is probably why it's not a good idea to go here or whatever, you know, but the, the

00:18:34.960 neat thing about it is that it, it kind of turns into almost like an autopilot response

00:18:40.420 from me is that it's really easy to look at the situation and say, you do this, this happens,

00:18:45.400 you don't do this, this happens.

00:18:46.560 And just remove my emotional attachment to it as best I can.

00:18:50.600 Now, you know, I'm the first to admit, like, you know, there are times where, where they'll

00:18:55.740 get under my skin and it's impossible for me to, to not take it personally, you know, especially

00:19:00.960 when there's attitude and entitlement involved, things like that.

00:19:03.640 But, um, but you know, ultimately I always circle back and cool off and then think about

00:19:08.860 it and, and, you know, we come back and sit down and talk about it and say, okay, here's,

00:19:12.520 here's what's going on and here's why.

00:19:14.140 And, and, uh, you know, go, go through it that way.

00:19:17.200 But, uh, but I do like the, the perspective that dog training brings to, to all relationships,

00:19:23.760 whether it's business partners, kids, spouses, you know, you, you name it, but.

00:19:27.740 Yeah, no, that's true.

00:19:29.080 And, and, uh, I've never really trained a dog prior to our three-year-old German shepherd.

00:19:34.040 And I used your training, which you and I have talked about.

00:19:37.160 Um, and I'm like, man, this is actually like pretty easy when, you know, you use your training

00:19:41.580 and it's significantly easier than if you don't.

00:19:43.280 But then we have a one-year-old, uh, greater Swiss mountain dog.

00:19:48.960 I'm like, that German shepherd is so, so much easier to deal with, whether it's temperament

00:19:55.900 or breed or whatever, then that Swiss he is.

00:19:58.520 Oh my goodness.

00:19:59.160 Like I'm realizing how difficult it is.

00:20:00.920 Just like children, they're all different and have their own different personalities.

00:20:03.900 And that dog, you'll tell that dog to come and it'll just stare at you and just like almost

00:20:08.580 look at you, like, I know exactly what you want me to do and I'm not going to do it just

00:20:13.560 because you want me to do it.

00:20:15.460 It's so frustrating.

00:20:17.680 So, yeah.

00:20:18.320 So there's two things with that.

00:20:19.360 I mean, number one is that, you know, like you said, all dogs are different, just like

00:20:22.900 with people, you know, cognition, you know, intuition, you know, the ability to read body

00:20:27.500 language, you know, they're all, you know, pretty adapt and gifted to that.

00:20:31.740 But some way, way better than others, just like, you know, some people, it's way easier

00:20:35.620 to train them in anything, teach them, you know, whatever skill set, you know, some people

00:20:40.260 just pick it up way quicker.

00:20:42.000 So dogs are similar that way, but where, where the nice thing about dogs comes in that, you

00:20:48.320 know, it isn't really any different than people, but it kind of gives you a, almost

00:20:52.340 a guarantee to be able to be successful is just in repetition, just like with, you know,

00:20:57.200 I'll use jujitsu since you roll.

00:20:58.960 And I'm sure a lot of your listeners do, or at least understand it is, you know, there's,

00:21:04.360 you know, pretty much every technique where, you know, some, you need to drill more for

00:21:08.860 it to become, you know, muscle memory or condition response, you know, it taking place without

00:21:13.460 you having to think about it, you know, and whether it's body positions or certain, you

00:21:17.640 know, locks or whatever.

00:21:19.240 And so with dogs, it's really the same way is that, you know, some dogs take way more

00:21:23.200 repetition than others, but, you know, at the end of the day, ultimately there, there

00:21:27.560 is a finite amount of repetitions that for every dog will get them to that point, you

00:21:33.800 know?

00:21:33.960 And so if, if you just, you know, create a classroom, no different than you do with

00:21:38.000 children is that, you know, you remove the white noise, get rid of all the distractions

00:21:41.760 and have an area that you go to that you're using food to shape behavior and condition the

00:21:47.100 dog to these responses that you want.

00:21:49.200 And, you know, there is a number of repetitions that at a certain point that that dog will

00:21:54.540 do it just like that, because, you know, you've put that amount of time and it's just where

00:21:58.620 it's tough for people is that if you've got a dog like that, that, you know, is a little

00:22:02.320 bit, we'll call it stubborn, even though I don't like to anthropomorphize quite that

00:22:06.000 much, but, you know, just maybe it's cognitively not as driven or needs more repetitions to

00:22:10.940 get the point across for whatever is it, you know, there's, there's a, you know, a kind

00:22:15.240 of risk versus reward or, you know, almost a cost benefit analysis type of approach to

00:22:20.580 it, where, you know, you have to ask yourself like, Jesus Christ, is this worth it? You

00:22:25.640 know, and that's, you know, what it is with a lot of rescue dogs.

00:22:28.160 I get asked all the time, you know, or can all dogs be saved?

00:22:31.620 You know, I would say largely, yes.

00:22:33.180 I mean, there, there are a very, very small, I mean, a fraction of a fraction of a percentage

00:22:38.860 of dogs that are just hardwired and they're fucking crazy, just like with people, right?

00:22:43.000 You know, whether, whether it's, you know, a combination of genetics and, and, you know,

00:22:47.760 it's nature and nurture, it's, you know, maybe they, they weren't fed properly and their brains

00:22:51.580 didn't develop, they, you know, were, were castrated or spayed too early and they have

00:22:55.620 a hormonal imbalance and that, you know, there's some sort of chemical thing going on or they're

00:23:00.000 just plain, you know, their, their wiring is crossed and they're nuts, just like with some

00:23:04.260 people, but it's, it's very few.

00:23:06.180 What happens most of the time is that people get frustrated.

00:23:08.940 They inadvertently create all of these undesirable behaviors and then ultimately end up getting

00:23:13.600 rid of the dog for shit that they created, right?

00:23:16.160 That if they, if they would have just been consistent, the same way you are with trying

00:23:20.100 to get in shape, become a black belt in jujitsu, be a great chef, you know, be a world-class

00:23:25.940 Olympic lifter, you name it, is that any of those skillsets can be obtained if, if you

00:23:31.160 put the time in or consistent and have a blueprint print or a roadmap to get from A to B, just

00:23:37.000 like with anything else, you know, building a business, you name it.

00:23:39.500 So, uh, he's, he's trainable.

00:23:42.100 It's just, you run into that point.

00:23:43.880 And then back to my point of our all dogs savable is that, yes, uh, I think almost all

00:23:49.460 of them are, it's just with, with some of them it's, is it, is it worth taking, you know,

00:23:55.280 one person or several people's time where, where that's basically a full-time job for two

00:24:00.180 years to rehabilitate this dog, to get them to work and just live a normal life.

00:24:04.480 Like to me, no, probably not, you know, it's, it's not, not worth, you know, one or, or

00:24:09.980 several human beings entire existence to, to get this animal to a point where he's not

00:24:14.740 trying to kill little kids or, uh, you know, bite its owner or is so scared of every stimulus

00:24:19.980 out there that it blows its anal glands when a car drives by or, you know, when you have,

00:24:24.780 you know, levels of severity to that degree with dogs, in my opinion, that that's when you

00:24:30.060 kind of run into the, you know, could you, could you do it?

00:24:32.900 Yeah.

00:24:33.080 But it's really not worth, uh, you know, what it's going to take or it's just not real.

00:24:37.060 It's not that it's not worth, it's just not realistic, you know?

00:24:39.360 And so that's, that's kind of what you're faced with in those circumstances.

00:24:43.420 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:24:44.320 It's interesting coming from your perspective, you know, where you trained us, like some of

00:24:47.760 them, it's, it is not worth it.

00:24:49.580 I actually, with my Swissie, I actually enjoy it because for lack of better terms, stubborn,

00:24:54.600 I get what you're saying there because you, if the, if I'm understanding you correctly,

00:24:58.440 the reason you don't use that word is because it's not like human stubbornness, right?

00:25:02.640 Like willpower, right?

00:25:03.780 You don't want to liken it to that.

00:25:05.040 Is that what you're saying?

00:25:06.340 A hundred percent because what, and half of why people struggle so much with training their

00:25:11.160 dogs is because they look at it from the human perspective, right?

00:25:15.380 And so if you think about one real key concept with dogs, which is they don't think in a language,

00:25:21.020 right?

00:25:21.340 So, you know, you and I, you know, we talk in a language, you dream in a language, you

00:25:25.080 think, you reason your way, problem solve through, you know, through an internal monologue that

00:25:29.180 you have and that's how you think, right?

00:25:31.580 And so now imagine going through your day where everything is like, it's A plus B equals C.

00:25:37.460 You're making a simple association with everything.

00:25:39.960 So even thinking that your dogs think the way you do sets people up for failure, thinking

00:25:45.320 that they have as complex set of emotions as we do set you up for failure.

00:25:50.100 You know, you, you really have to do your best to remove all of your emotional attachment

00:25:55.740 from it, uh, and, and really get, get that consistency.

00:25:59.600 And just like with anything else.

00:26:01.300 And, you know, with my online training, I'm, I'm always, you know, impressed and, and continue

00:26:07.800 to be amazed at, at how many people, you know, have tried a lot of different things.

00:26:12.140 And once they just do it themselves and put the time in and be consistent, you know, they

00:26:17.060 have overwhelming success, you know, and, and that no doubt hinge hinges on your ability

00:26:21.700 to remove all of the distractions.

00:26:23.500 And that's where, uh, you know, that, that coupled with, you know, not thinking of it

00:26:27.620 from a dog's perspective, which is part of removing the distractions is, is where people

00:26:31.840 fail.

00:26:32.160 Because if you, if you think of, you know, the 24 hour day broken down into one hour

00:26:37.280 blocks, right.

00:26:38.480 You've got, let's just say liberally you're, you're spending three or four hours a day training

00:26:42.760 your dog, which nobody does.

00:26:44.560 No, of course, even then you've got, you know, three or four hours a day that you're

00:26:48.500 training where you've got, you know, 20 to 21 other hours that now what is taking place

00:26:53.220 in those hours, right?

00:26:54.580 Well, if it's free time where the dog can self self discover all over your house, self

00:27:00.220 reward, uh, you know, can, can get into things and interact with other animals, you know, be

00:27:06.000 pet and have affection from, from other family members, you know, take long hikes and walks

00:27:10.840 and be completely independent of you and have no association with you during all of that

00:27:14.960 time.

00:27:15.740 Now you're creating an, an overwhelmingly lopsided scenario where most of the dog's day

00:27:21.440 has nothing to do with you.

00:27:23.260 That's fun.

00:27:24.140 Right.

00:27:24.580 And all of the things that they're learning and figuring out in that a plus B equals C sequence

00:27:29.760 have zero to do with you.

00:27:31.300 And so now, even if you're spending four hours a day, if, if those other 20 hours are spent

00:27:36.920 doing a ton of cool shit with, with no association to you, you're never going to win that battle.

00:27:42.320 And so, you know, you've got to do almost a bootcamp type scenario early on, not for the

00:27:48.420 life of the dog.

00:27:49.120 The dog doesn't need to be created his whole life.

00:27:50.900 And then quite the contrary is that if you put that time in the same way you do with working

00:27:55.640 out and eating, right, or, you know, training and doing jujitsu and studying and recovering

00:28:00.260 properly and, and thinking about, you know, your next workout and how you're going to do

00:28:04.960 things and, and, you know, visualizing all that stuff is that that's what sets you up

00:28:09.520 for success.

00:28:10.040 And so if you remove all of that ability to do that by keeping the dog crated, when you

00:28:15.460 get them out, you're feeding them through training, you're not feeding them any less.

00:28:18.700 You know, you put the amount of food that he's going to eat for that day anyway, on top

00:28:22.820 of his crate, he goes in the crate, uh, before you get them out, you put some of the food in

00:28:26.840 a pouch, you've got a clicker, hook a leash to him, go out.

00:28:29.320 And now you're just reinforcing, you're shaping and reinforcing him, look, looking at you, making

00:28:33.680 eye contact, sitting, recalling, downing, you know, all the things that you want him

00:28:38.280 to do.

00:28:38.800 I typically will just walk around my backyard and every time the dog comes over to me, I

00:28:42.980 market, give him food and I walk away from him, you know, and three days later, the dog

00:28:47.420 won't leave you alone.

00:28:48.380 Like he's glued to you like Velcro.

00:28:50.360 And then from there, now you can shape, you know, all of the behaviors that you want, all

00:28:54.180 of the more, you know, complex behaviors.

00:28:56.880 But it starts with that is that it's, it's making that association that every calorie that

00:29:01.020 that dog gets comes from you and over, you know, a few weeks to a few month period, depending

00:29:05.700 on, again, the cognition of the dog, how old he is, what other baggage he might have, what

00:29:10.160 his genetics are, uh, all of those things are going to contribute to how long you need

00:29:14.600 to do that.

00:29:15.380 But with, you know, 99% of the dogs out there, it's, it's a couple of months at the most,

00:29:20.200 just like bootcamp or a police academy or whatever, uh, is that, you know, you're, you're

00:29:25.000 a total immersion type of approach, similarly to, you know, you learn a language far faster

00:29:31.360 moving to Spain than you do taking Spanish two hours a week in high school.

00:29:35.380 Sure.

00:29:35.960 Uh, and so that's essentially what it's doing.

00:29:37.880 It's just hyper-focusing and then super concentrated so that the dog is, is drinking from a higher

00:29:43.580 hose, but is picking up all of that so that now a couple of months down the road, you've

00:29:47.460 got a dog that does everything you want them to do, stays out of the things that you don't

00:29:50.900 want them into, uh, you know, we'll recall, you know, even if there's traffic or a

00:29:54.780 squirrel running by or whatever, because you've, you've built that into them and conditioned

00:29:58.600 them properly.

00:29:59.200 But just like with all of the other things that are cool to, to obtain being in great

00:30:04.500 shape, you know, earning a new belt in jujitsu, you know, learning how to, how to make something

00:30:08.580 from scratch, you've got to put the time in and be dedicated and disciplined enough, you

00:30:13.780 know, to, to do that and make it happen.

00:30:15.900 Uh, and then, and then it will be there.

00:30:17.780 And once it's there, it's way easier to maintain that than, you know, living for 10 years with the

00:30:22.920 dog where he's constantly nagging and it's just a constant problem.

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00:31:46.480 Like, well, I mean, not only that, it's just, it's so much more rewarding because I've had

00:31:51.180 dogs in the past and I've been so frustrated and has less to do with the dog and more to

00:31:54.820 do with me because I take it personally, right?

00:31:56.900 Like a human would as opposed to objectively.

00:32:00.080 But I've noticed with, with my dogs and going through, through your training is like, it's

00:32:04.360 just being a dog owner is so much better because I've built those foundational principles.

00:32:10.960 Like I've heard them referred to as first principles, right?

00:32:13.420 These are the things that once they learn and establish and adopt, then you can start

00:32:18.360 introducing more complex situations and circumstances and tricks and whatever else.

00:32:23.300 But it's funny because at this point with my German shepherd, my son's actually German shepherd.

00:32:29.640 Uh, he'll actually look to me almost for like approval in a way.

00:32:34.480 And there isn't a whole lot of communication that needs to happen, or at least that I can

00:32:39.160 acknowledge, but there's probably some sort of body language, nonverbal communication that's

00:32:42.880 happening that he is now recognizing and acts by the way that I think, you know, it's, so

00:32:48.720 it's kind of an, it's kind of an interesting phenomenon to see him work through that in

00:32:52.420 circumstances that he's never been exposed to before.

00:32:56.320 You're talking, your son has this with you or the dog is looking at you that way.

00:33:00.020 I wish my son would look at me like that.

00:33:02.180 He's got a little bit more of independence than the dog does, but I'm talking about the

00:33:05.300 dog specifically.

00:33:06.860 Yeah.

00:33:07.220 So, you know, it's a great point and it really highlights again, the difference between people

00:33:12.460 and dogs.

00:33:13.480 If you think about, uh, you know, if you've been in a Walmart parking lot, right.

00:33:18.060 And you see somebody from 300 yards away that, you know, you've never met this first time

00:33:23.400 you've ever, ever come in contact with them.

00:33:25.380 And you can tell that they're having the worst day of their life, right.

00:33:28.880 Or, you know, on the contrary, they're, maybe they're having, you know, the best day of

00:33:32.580 their life or whatever.

00:33:34.040 Uh, but if you think about how overwhelmingly verbal we are, like, yes, we use body language,

00:33:39.180 use our hands, you know, we use social cues when we talk and that conveys certain points

00:33:44.320 or emotions, feelings, et cetera.

00:33:46.320 But, but we're, we're overwhelmingly verbal in how we communicate, whether it's through text

00:33:51.820 or email, phone calls, you know, even zoom calls, whatever is that most of our, our communication

00:33:57.160 is, is, uh, is done through, through language, right.

00:34:00.320 So now if you think about how easy it is for us as human beings to now identify other human

00:34:06.520 beings and whether they're angry, whether they're sad, whether they're happy, whether, you know,

00:34:10.280 you name it, is that you get a pretty good idea of what somebody's intent is or their emotions

00:34:14.800 just by looking at them.

00:34:15.900 Now imagine a dog who that's their entire world, right.

00:34:19.900 Is that they don't, they don't use language at really at all.

00:34:23.860 Um, you know, they use some verbal, uh, cues here and there and then barking and whining

00:34:28.040 and things of that nature, but it's very limited by comparison.

00:34:31.340 98% of the way that they communicate is all non-verbally all body language, right?

00:34:35.740 So what it forces you to do is again, as think of it from the dog's perspective, but also be

00:34:41.260 hyper aware of, of what you are doing or not doing right.

00:34:45.480 Is, is that, you know, you see it a lot in detection dog training where the handler is

00:34:49.780 cueing the dog as to, you know, if, if he's, you know, it's almost like playing Marco Polo,

00:34:54.380 you know, where, where the handler, and this is why when you do it in training, you generally

00:34:59.320 don't want the handler to know where the odors are is because they usually will cue the dog

00:35:03.940 that they're there and they don't even realize they're doing it.

00:35:07.100 The dog's constantly looking for feedback, you know, but they're, they're constantly doing

00:35:11.200 that all the time, right.

00:35:12.860 Is that, you know, whether you're sad, whether you're, you know, whatever, is it, you know,

00:35:16.200 you've probably been in a scenario where you've lost your temper or gotten angry and your dog

00:35:20.700 was, was in the vicinity, but it had nothing to do with the dog.

00:35:24.120 And your dog recognized that and was like, fuck you, I'm out of here.

00:35:27.320 Right.

00:35:27.680 Oh, for sure.

00:35:28.460 So, yeah.

00:35:29.460 Right.

00:35:29.780 And so that, that tells you a lot about their ability to recognize your emotion.

00:35:34.420 Right.

00:35:34.780 And it's not that they can smell anger or fear or any of those other things.

00:35:38.020 Yes, there, there is a hormonal component that, uh, you know, that, that there's, you

00:35:43.340 know, you could argue that there's a scent picture there, but most of what it is, is

00:35:47.980 that, you know, when people are angry, they, they act a certain way.

00:35:51.040 When people are happy, they act a certain way.

00:35:52.880 When they're scared, they act a certain way.

00:35:54.900 And, and, you know, one of the, uh, adages we use in dog training is, you know, your emotion

00:35:59.520 travels down the leash and, and it absolutely does.

00:36:01.960 You know, so you've got to be very cognizant of what your emotions are a and be just generally

00:36:07.480 speaking, what your body language is, you know, they, they watch your eyes, they watch

00:36:11.000 your hands.

00:36:11.440 You may just, you know, do, do this, or, you know, it's almost like, like a third base

00:36:16.120 coach in baseball, you know, a couple of little things that you don't realize you do every

00:36:20.800 time you tell them to sit or when you, you know, see them about to do something you don't

00:36:25.160 want them to do.

00:36:25.800 And, and, you know, it's almost like a tell in, uh, in card playing is that, you know, we

00:36:30.240 have all of these little nuances and, and micro, uh, movements that, that, uh, that we

00:36:35.460 have that we largely are unaware of because we're not paying attention to cue the dog to

00:36:39.580 certain things.

00:36:40.120 So, um, you know, when, on those early parts of training, it's imperative that you are

00:36:45.340 really aware of, of removing all of your body language to the best of your ability and,

00:36:50.580 and really focus on, on not moving, not using your eyes, not cueing the dog, not, you know,

00:36:56.840 fidgeting or, or anything like that so that you're really using and communicating slash

00:37:02.300 teaching the dog that it's the dog's actions that determine the consequences.

00:37:06.320 Again, just like with kids is that, you know, if I put them in my classroom and I, you know,

00:37:11.180 I'll, I'll, we get to a certain point, I'll, I'll specifically or purposely put distractions

00:37:15.940 in there and, and I'll let him go mess with him.

00:37:19.080 And the second he stops messing with him and turns his focus back on me, I mark and reward

00:37:23.460 that so that I teach him, you know, the world isn't going to be absent of distractions,

00:37:27.640 but, but what you need to understand is that no matter what's going on, when I tell you

00:37:32.440 to come here or to look at me or to heal or whatever is that you do it.

00:37:36.620 And that's where the muscle memory and repetition comes in.

00:37:39.580 You slowly build in those distractions so that, you know, cause if you tried to go like, you

00:37:44.300 know, Hey, my dog is leash reactive and you say, okay, well, let's take him out on a leash

00:37:48.200 and put them five feet away from a dog that wants to rip his head off.

00:37:51.680 And now we'll try to work through that.

00:37:53.380 Like you're 12 steps ahead of where you should be.

00:37:55.660 The car is way before the horse.

00:37:57.500 You know, if you can't get his attention when nothing is going on and there's, there's no

00:38:01.780 competition stimulus wise, then you're damn sure not going to have a way out in town.

00:38:06.140 You're going from K to, to master's level.

00:38:08.380 Right.

00:38:08.640 So, uh, so it's about building a repetition in where, where there's not a lot of things

00:38:14.400 going on and then you interject a little bit of distraction.

00:38:16.620 And once they, they understand that and now they understand, Hey, this is cool, but I don't

00:38:21.600 only get what I want when I look at him, you know, then you just build on that and then

00:38:25.540 you take them, you know, into your house and then in the front yard and then right down

00:38:28.420 the street.

00:38:28.840 And then you just slowly get more and more distracting, uh, you know, the same way you

00:38:32.940 kind of graduate through, um, elementary, junior high, high school in the college, et cetera.

00:38:37.740 And then you just slowly build that in with repetition.

00:38:39.880 And now you've got a dog that, you know, can walk by other dogs that are trying to kill

00:38:45.460 him and squirrels are running by and bouncing off his back and you throw a basketball in

00:38:49.100 front of him or, you know, and he, then he's just sitting there looking at you, you know,

00:38:52.220 he, he, healing through the gauntlet because you, you've taught him that that's the only

00:38:56.000 way that, uh, the, the life works.

00:38:58.800 Yeah.

00:38:59.160 It sounds like this is an interesting perspective because it's helping me shift my mind a little

00:39:02.580 bit.

00:39:02.760 You're not trying to like control necessarily the dog as much as you help me if I'm wrong

00:39:08.200 on this, but almost give it autonomy, like allow it to choose based on the response.

00:39:16.360 Sure.

00:39:16.580 You know, I'm not a religious guy, but a good analogy is, is Christianity and free will,

00:39:21.800 right?

00:39:22.300 Does that, you know, you're saying, Hey, or with kids, like you want to go check out that,

00:39:26.940 that hot wire fence, knock yourself out, like maybe even literally, uh, yeah.

00:39:32.760 But I'm going to sit here and I like, I'm not even, I'm not going to look at them.

00:39:35.780 I'm not going to say their name.

00:39:36.780 I'm not going to stay, you know, and I'm not going to do any of that, right?

00:39:40.880 Because what that does is it lures or accuse the dog.

00:39:43.760 What I want him to understand is that, Hey, no matter what is going on out there, is that

00:39:48.960 the only time that you're making that a plus B equals C references that when you turn and

00:39:53.580 look at me or come over to me, that's when, when it gets marked and rewarded.

00:39:58.140 Right.

00:39:59.160 And so now when I build in all of these other distractions, it can be active.

00:40:02.420 It can be passive.

00:40:03.200 It can be, uh, auditory.

00:40:05.300 It can be olfactory.

00:40:06.820 I mean, you know, things that smell, you know, attractive things that, that, you know, incite

00:40:11.400 their prey drive, you know, auditory ones that get their attention.

00:40:14.080 They're like, what the hell is that?

00:40:15.120 You know, all of these different stimuli that dogs are inherently going to check out and

00:40:19.300 show interest in is that I stand there like a telephone pole and the dog is hungry because

00:40:24.360 the only time he gets fed is when he looks at me and they learn that really fast.

00:40:28.080 You know, really fast when, and the key is, is exactly that is that, you know, put the

00:40:33.620 food in the pouch and they, and it gets marked and rewarded when they do what you want.

00:40:37.400 Now, if you're feeding the dog and then trying to go train, giving them three meals and bully

00:40:41.920 sticks and cow knuckles and, and, you know, all these different, you know, scraps and things

00:40:48.020 like that.

00:40:48.440 And that reward value is pretty low for food.

00:40:51.920 That's, you know, akin to saying, Hey, we just had a steak dinner.

00:40:55.280 And now, sweetheart, if you go clean your room and do a real bang up job, you'll get a free

00:40:58.640 bowl of Brussels sprouts.

00:40:59.960 They're going to be like, who gives a fuck about Brussels sprouts?

00:41:02.740 Right.

00:41:02.960 So it's, it's the same thing with them is that, you know, and again, you're not starving the

00:41:06.360 dog.

00:41:06.600 You're just, you're feeding him in a different way.

00:41:08.980 Like he's still getting the same amount of food, but he's getting it a handful at a time

00:41:13.020 for doing what I want him to do without telling him to do it.

00:41:16.080 And because the other big problem people have is what, you know, they'll, they'll bring

00:41:19.820 a dog in and they'll say, sit, you know, well, the dog's not sitting.

00:41:23.480 Well, he has no fucking idea what sit means, you know, or, you know, watch like the dog

00:41:28.420 doesn't know what watch means.

00:41:29.480 He doesn't know what anything means, you know?

00:41:31.100 And again, you know, one of the things that where people screw up to, to use another detection

00:41:35.220 work analogy is that if they're looking for marijuana, they're, they're not looking for

00:41:40.120 marijuana.

00:41:40.460 They're looking for whatever you've rewarded them for finding.

00:41:43.500 So if you've got your body odor on it, or you just had a bacon cheeseburger and that

00:41:48.560 grease is on it, or whatever containers you're keeping it in, or, you know, the certain type

00:41:52.500 of gloves that you use, you've got to proof the dog off of that stuff.

00:41:55.520 And so it's, it's no different here in that, you know, they're not going to understand anything

00:41:59.900 other than what they've been rewarded for finding.

00:42:02.740 And where people make a lot of mistakes again, is they let the dog self reward.

00:42:07.240 Hey, there's a squirrel over there.

00:42:08.240 Let me go chase it.

00:42:09.600 When he decides to come back, you ignored him.

00:42:12.120 Well, what did you just teach him?

00:42:13.680 He gets nothing from you and everything from chasing a squirrel, right?

00:42:17.380 Whereas you flip that, you flip that script and say, I know you're hungry.

00:42:20.960 I have, I have what I have.

00:42:22.600 There was a squirrel there.

00:42:23.740 Yeah, go chase it.

00:42:24.880 You get nothing until you come back to me, you know, and then you come back to me, bam,

00:42:28.520 you get fed with a primary reinforcer that you have to have to sustain your life.

00:42:32.580 And over a couple week period, you know, you can take dogs that didn't have high food drive,

00:42:37.300 that didn't really want to work, don't care about a tennis ball, give a shit about attention.

00:42:41.080 And now that they work like a high drive Malinois and are flashy and swinging their ass into

00:42:48.100 your knee and, you know, high step and, you know, focused attention healing through, you

00:42:52.860 know, a crowded area of kids and, you know, ice cream cones and hot dogs falling and, you

00:42:58.580 know, you name it is, is that it's, it's truly remarkable, you know, how well you can condition

00:43:03.860 a dog that's mind is already set up to, to work that way, to do really whatever you want.

00:43:09.480 And they're all capable of it.

00:43:11.760 Again, it's just, you know, how many repetitions is going to vary dog to dog, but, you know,

00:43:16.700 I've done it with me.

00:43:17.640 I've got tens of thousands of, of clients on, on the online training and, and you know, it's,

00:43:23.820 it's, it's really cool to see, you know, people that have struggled for years or, you know,

00:43:28.300 tried having other people train their dogs and whatever.

00:43:30.340 And then the reality is just like with kids or with a spouse or, you know, an employee

00:43:33.740 with, uh, or an employer or a boss with employees, whatever is that you've got to put that time

00:43:39.060 in, you know, yes, you can have help, uh, you know, and you can have help, you know,

00:43:42.760 people, you know, watch you train and tweak and do weekly lessons or even do board and

00:43:47.120 trains and then, uh, one-on-one sessions with them afterwards to keep it up.

00:43:52.620 Uh, but the most effective way is, is really to do it yourself and it's not complicated, you

00:43:57.360 know, it's far more rewarding to do it yourself also.

00:44:00.580 Well, I think people just want to, I agree with the rewarding side of it.

00:44:03.600 I think people just want to outsource it because it's easier, right?

00:44:06.480 It's easier just to pay somebody to train and it's easier to just like not have to worry

00:44:10.220 about it and then have it come back and it'd be, be this well-behaved dog.

00:44:15.460 Um, well, you've been doing that as a shelf life though.

00:44:18.260 Of course, you know, if you're having a hard time with your kids and you send them to boarding

00:44:21.740 school and they're there for nine months a year, whatever, and they come back and they

00:44:24.640 are, you know, drum tight military bearing laden little pricks that, you know, now are

00:44:30.980 toeing the company line when they come back.

00:44:33.820 If you give no feedback in terms of reinforcing the good behavior and, and, you know, continuing

00:44:39.600 to correct or, or extinguish the bad behavior, they're going to go right back to what they

00:44:44.220 were doing.

00:44:44.600 And, and dogs do that all the time, you know?

00:44:46.740 So board and trains work great.

00:44:48.920 If whoever does that, you know, works with you afterwards and teaches you and educates the

00:44:54.000 owner how to maintain it, then it works great.

00:44:55.760 You know, cause I'm not naive to the fact that, you know, some people are like, look,

00:44:59.220 dude, I don't have two months, you know, to, to do that with my dog.

00:45:02.740 Hey, I get it.

00:45:03.260 You know?

00:45:03.460 And in that case, do a board and train, but understand how to maintain it.

00:45:06.760 You know, it can't just be a, a handoff of the torch and, and, and, uh, you know,

00:45:11.940 you expect it to go well because it's just not gonna, I mean, no different than if you

00:45:15.840 work your ass off for 90 days and get in great shape and then stop working out, guess

00:45:20.380 what's going to happen?

00:45:20.920 You know, same thing, you know, so do dogs, uh, you're talking about them not being obviously

00:45:28.200 language driven 98% or whatever you said, but do they start to understand tone?

00:45:33.340 Is that, is that what they're looking for?

00:45:35.180 Is they're looking for tone?

00:45:36.180 Like I see these guys giving dogs commands.

00:45:38.100 I'm like, obviously they know what that command means, or maybe it's just some sort of physical

00:45:42.640 cue that they're picking up on that we don't acknowledge we're doing, or it's both.

00:45:45.660 It's both, um, you know, where, where the command is going to determine whether or not

00:45:51.920 the dog understands it is the context.

00:45:54.460 You know, one of the things I do, people are like, yeah, my dog knows it.

00:45:57.700 I'll bet he doesn't, you know?

00:45:59.020 And so the dog, you know, you'll have a ball, a treat, whatever.

00:46:02.000 And you, you call the dog over to you and it comes and you say sausage or broccoli.

00:46:06.380 And then the dog will sit is that the dog knows contextually when he comes over to you

00:46:10.300 and you have something he wants, when he sits, he gets something, he gets it from you.

00:46:13.880 So he doesn't know that word.

00:46:16.940 He understands the behavior.

00:46:18.220 He doesn't understand the command.

00:46:19.940 Right.

00:46:20.240 And so when, when a dog truly knows that, and what I recommend in my training and show it

00:46:24.500 is, uh, you know, it's basically, you know, not saying the command until the dog does it

00:46:30.360 predictably without saying anything, without cuing him, you know, body language wise, whatever

00:46:34.080 the dog just sit, mark, reward it, sit, mark, reward it.

00:46:36.940 He just, he knows every time he gets the reward, bam, he sits, bam, you know, at that point.

00:46:41.080 And, and, you know, with 98% predictability and success, now I'm going to couple it with

00:46:45.400 the command and drill it until the dog knows it.

00:46:47.940 If you really want to see if a dog understands the command, have him go from downing up to

00:46:53.300 sitting, you know, and can do it from anywhere, you know?

00:46:56.160 So if you're standing behind, you know, the kitchen counter and the dog is walking and you

00:46:59.540 say down and the dog downs sit, the dog comes up into a sit, then for sure they understand

00:47:05.040 what the command means.

00:47:06.000 Now, you know, for a lot of people, maybe they don't need to understand the command and

00:47:10.880 they just need to understand the behavior through a contextual thing.

00:47:13.860 I would disagree with that.

00:47:15.100 But, uh, you know, from a safety standpoint, I want the dogs to add a minimum recall and

00:47:19.900 heal no matter what's going on.

00:47:22.400 What do you mean by a safety perspective?

00:47:24.780 So, you know, a car's going by and the dog's chasing a squirrel.

00:47:28.620 Ah, okay.

00:47:29.140 I want to be able to say, you know, Duke here, no matter what is going on.

00:47:33.020 That dog spins the fuck around and comes back, you know, and so those two commands and

00:47:37.680 healing the same way as if you're out in town with a dog and, uh, you know, who knows what's

00:47:42.800 going on, maybe, you know, other dogs are trying to, to get at it or kids or, you know,

00:47:47.400 there's a million scenarios that you can come up with where the dog not healing away from

00:47:52.200 wherever you're at is a bad deal.

00:47:54.680 And so, you know, no matter what's going on, I want to be able to say, you come here and

00:47:58.760 you walk with me no matter what's going on to wherever we need to get to go.

00:48:02.460 Like to me, at a minimum, everybody's dog should at least be able to do that.

00:48:07.080 I mean, to me, the basic five obedience behaviors is something that dogs should also be able

00:48:11.540 to do no matter what's going on.

00:48:13.880 But, um, but at a minimum, I think just, you know, if you're going to own a dog, like

00:48:17.680 at least be able to do that.

00:48:19.360 And, and again, that just comes back to conditioning.

00:48:22.200 What's your, uh, what's your take on socializing your dogs with other, with other people?

00:48:28.880 Same thing.

00:48:30.640 Um, you know, I would say it's kind of akin to saying, well, you know, do you want to

00:48:35.620 socialize your wife with other guys?

00:48:37.540 No.

00:48:38.160 I mean, you know, ask yourself, you know, ask yourself, you know, and here's a huge misconception.

00:48:45.040 I think that we have more as a Western society, there's other parts of the world that seem

00:48:50.140 to get this a little better than we do, but it's, it's the play date mentality.

00:48:53.920 It's the go say hi.

00:48:55.280 Oh, he's okay.

00:48:56.040 Go, you know, go be pet by so-and-so, you know, the big, the big question you need to

00:49:00.660 ask yourself is why do you want your dog to interact with other dogs, with kids, with

00:49:04.540 other, other people that, that aren't, you know, immediate family members.

00:49:08.360 If it's an immediate family member, yes, absolutely.

00:49:10.920 Of course, because they're going to be around more often.

00:49:12.940 Sure.

00:49:13.440 Right.

00:49:13.700 If it's anybody else, no, I don't want you petting my dog.

00:49:16.680 I don't want your dog interacting with my dog.

00:49:18.780 I don't want you touching him, looking at him, you know, feeding him any of those things,

00:49:22.860 because there's no reason for it, uh, dogs, you know, and again, I'm not of the mindset

00:49:29.860 or mentality that, uh, that dogs are, are wolves at their core and everything is, is a complete

00:49:36.200 parallel, but there are a lot of, um, you know, traits that are passed down through, uh, you

00:49:42.920 know, through that species that, that exists.

00:49:45.020 And if you think about any predatorial animal is that, you know, they don't go and just intermingle

00:49:50.080 and, and mixed it up with other animals, right.

00:49:52.440 Is that, you know, they're, they're with their group and that's it.

00:49:55.600 They don't, yeah, they don't need, you know, to, to be socialized with all these other things.

00:50:00.600 And so, you know, one, one of the, I've got a YouTube video that, um, where I talk about

00:50:06.040 that is that, you know, here's, here's why you shouldn't socialize your dog is that, you

00:50:10.320 know, and, and I think it's, it's a little bit of semantics or it's a terminology issue

00:50:14.680 where, uh, you know, a lot of times people assume that, that socializing, you know, every

00:50:19.300 dog should be social.

00:50:20.460 What does that mean?

00:50:21.180 Well, to me, that means that the dog needs to be tolerant of everything, right.

00:50:25.840 Is that I need to be, I need to be able to, and should be able to take my dog anywhere and

00:50:30.960 have him not react to me.

00:50:32.840 That is a socialized dog.

00:50:34.340 I don't want a dog that has to play with other dogs and get along with them.

00:50:38.140 Fuck.

00:50:38.400 I don't get along with most people.

00:50:39.920 I don't expect my dog to, right.

00:50:42.300 Uh, and I think it's foolish from, you know, cause what I can guarantee is if your dog

00:50:46.760 never interacts with other dogs, guess what's never going to happen.

00:50:49.540 The dog's never going to get in an accidental fight.

00:50:51.740 He's never going to catch some weird fucking disease that some other dog has.

00:50:55.660 Uh, he's never going to bite a child for pushing the line or, or, you know, doing something

00:51:00.080 stupid or being reactive.

00:51:01.940 He's never going to knock somebody's old grandmother over because she couldn't handle him bumping into

00:51:06.580 her or whatever is that you're never going to have those problems.

00:51:09.440 If your dog, no matter what's going on, is looking at you for direction, right?

00:51:14.140 Is that that, again, that, that should be the goal is that I don't take my dogs to dog

00:51:18.100 parks.

00:51:18.460 I take my dogs all over the place with me, but when we go there, they're focused on me.

00:51:23.360 And that's on purpose is that I don't want them self-rewarding with other people and now

00:51:28.780 desiring affection from complete strangers, you know, for a number of reasons, you know,

00:51:33.980 all the ones we already talked about.

00:51:35.520 But, uh, and, and I, again, I feel that way with other dogs, with, with other people's

00:51:39.900 children, with, with, you know, strangers, you name it, is that it all fits into the same

00:51:44.280 category is, is there's no reason for it, you know?

00:51:46.820 And on the contrary, there's a bunch of reasons why you wouldn't want them to interact with

00:51:51.780 all of those people, you know, again, for all the things we've mentioned.

00:51:54.260 So, um, you know, to me, it's, it's a terminology issue where I think most people have, uh, have

00:52:01.680 the wrong idea of what a socialized dog means, you know, again, not to beat a dead horse, but

00:52:06.480 to me, you know, having a dog that's, that's socialized means that you can take them into

00:52:11.060 any environment and they won't react to it.

00:52:14.120 Uh, you know, to me that, that is what socialization means.

00:52:17.760 Yeah.

00:52:18.200 I, I guess by that definition, most people would assume that socialized, if we're using

00:52:22.480 that, that way of describing it equals well-behaved, right?

00:52:25.900 That they think, oh, this dog is well-behaved because it can get along in all these environments.

00:52:30.380 And you're saying, no, it's not, that doesn't necessarily mean that dog's well-behaved.

00:52:34.620 Yeah.

00:52:35.060 I think, you know, it's one of those, I think it's just misguided.

00:52:38.100 And that I think what, what most people assume is that if I let my dog interact with all these

00:52:42.880 other dogs, he's going to be social to them and not fight with them.

00:52:46.220 Right.

00:52:47.060 Is that if you, if you don't let your dog interact with all these other dogs and he's

00:52:50.460 going to want to fight everything.

00:52:51.560 And again, you know, to me, no, is that, you know, the, the other half of the equation

00:52:57.420 that you have no control over is that other dog, right?

00:53:01.000 Is that, you know, dogs are animals the same way we are.

00:53:03.360 I mean, when you go up and meet somebody, you know, there's a limit as to how much grab

00:53:08.760 assery and, and I fucking and, and social challenging and dominance that you're going to take

00:53:14.200 from another man.

00:53:14.980 Right.

00:53:15.220 And so dogs are largely that way also is that, yeah, they may, they may be cool at

00:53:19.600 first, you know, but then the other dog comes here.

00:53:22.460 And so now your dog goes here and then he comes here and it's like the baseball bat thing.

00:53:26.560 And now they're in a fight, you know, for, for nothing, right.

00:53:29.660 Is that if you want to keep your dog from, from, you know, being a pain in the ass for

00:53:34.460 the other dogs, again, I can't stress enough.

00:53:36.740 Don't let them interact with other dogs because now you're doing two things as one is that

00:53:40.680 you're, you're allowing him to do it.

00:53:42.180 So he thinks it's okay.

00:53:43.340 And then two is that you're, you're presenting an opportunity for things to go wrong over

00:53:47.900 and over and over, you know?

00:53:49.780 Um, so again, the, the easy way around that is to become the dog's universe by doing all

00:53:55.820 the things that we talked about and then, you know, building that conditioning in.

00:53:59.660 And then now, yeah, I'm going to take him to home Depot.

00:54:01.440 I'm going to take him past the dog park.

00:54:03.180 I'm not going to go into it.

00:54:04.720 Um, but I'm, I'm going to have him around all of these different things and he needs to

00:54:08.440 be able to deal with it, but he needs to just pay attention to what I'm doing.

00:54:11.620 And that's what he's going to be rewarded for.

00:54:13.660 So he can tolerate all of those other things, even to a point where another dog comes up

00:54:19.100 to him and he's still ignoring the dog and looking at me.

00:54:21.640 It's one of the things I do with my personal protection dogs is that, you know, I'll use

00:54:25.380 other dogs to come running up and bump into them and, you know, have a ball in their mouth

00:54:29.340 and go under them, you know, and that dog is still just looking at me, even when another

00:54:33.680 dog is messing with them behind the fence, barking, trying to, trying to attack them.

00:54:37.200 I want that dog, no matter what's going on is he's paying attention to me because that

00:54:43.040 is your, your most effective seatbelt and insurance policy to, to, to increase your chances,

00:54:49.480 your percentage chance at, at no, no problems happening with your dog.

00:54:54.280 Uh, again, in any environment, did you learn all this stuff on, on your own?

00:54:59.240 Did you, did you work with somebody?

00:55:01.100 Is this like trial and error and you've figured all this stuff out?

00:55:03.820 Like, how did you get to the point where you are?

00:55:06.180 So it's a combination of a lot of things.

00:55:08.320 Uh, I've, I've been very fortunate, uh, in being able to train with and, and learn under,

00:55:15.820 you know, some amazing dog men over the, over the last 20 years in a host of different capacities,

00:55:21.500 you know, not just in police dogs, but in hunting aspects and others.

00:55:25.800 Um, you know, so for sure, I, I, I owe, you know, too many people to even name, frankly,

00:55:31.320 but, uh, but yeah, I've learned a lot.

00:55:34.140 I mean, to me, again, it's a lot like jujitsu where, you know, you're under the tutelage

00:55:38.680 of a lot of people, you know, some of them are at your level.

00:55:41.900 Many of them are much higher.

00:55:43.400 Some of them are worse, uh, you know, and it's a collective, you know, absorbing of,

00:55:48.220 of all of that in conjunction with thinking about it yourself and learning yourself and

00:55:53.220 trying different things and having success.

00:55:54.820 And then, you know, some of the things that work for me, maybe don't work as well for other

00:55:58.420 people, similarly to jujitsu with dog training.

00:56:01.640 It is, and I guess similar to jujitsu there, there's some basic principles that just exist

00:56:06.560 irrespective of body type and age and sex and, you know, things like that.

00:56:10.660 But within the spectrum of those principles, there are nuances that exist that, you know,

00:56:15.800 maybe you focus a little more on certain things or whatever, where I've learned a lot

00:56:19.480 on my own is through the warrior dog foundation dogs.

00:56:22.380 You know, we've taken in, it's, it's been in existence for 10 years.

00:56:25.080 Um, it'll be 10 years this August, we've taken in almost 200 dogs and, and of all of

00:56:31.560 these dogs right now, we've got 25 of them, you know, and every single one of these dogs

00:56:35.620 are dogs that come to us because they were with a unit and they got to the point where

00:56:40.860 they were going to be euthanized because they had become such a pain in that unit's ass.

00:56:45.580 Even if it's because they're, they're old age and they're being retired or some of them

00:56:49.440 are, you know, a year and a half or two, and they're just such, such a pain in the ass to

00:56:52.840 deal with that we get them is that, uh, you know, every one of them was to the point where

00:56:57.100 if you guys don't take this dog, we're going to put them, put them to sleep, you know?

00:57:00.820 And so for them to even come to us, you know, they've already checked a lot of boxes and

00:57:06.000 then have 12 strikes, uh, you know, against them to the point where they were going to

00:57:10.080 be euthanized.

00:57:10.760 And these are dogs that, you know, have tens of thousands of dollars, you know, put into

00:57:13.920 There's big investments into these animals.

00:57:15.440 Yeah.

00:57:16.100 Yeah.

00:57:16.460 So, you know, no department is, is going to, you know, decide this easily.

00:57:20.640 Like they, they've given the dog a number of chances.

00:57:22.940 They've given the handler a number of chances, trainers, other handlers, et cetera.

00:57:26.600 Uh, and so for the dog to get to us, it's, it's a pretty severe case.

00:57:30.080 And so, you know, these are all dogs that you're not going to, you know, slap your dick on the

00:57:34.980 counter and show this dog who's boss, you know, a bunch of other people have tried that

00:57:39.000 and have wound up in the hospital for doing it.

00:57:40.780 And so, you know, you, you have to think smarter.

00:57:43.760 And so that a lot, a lot of these lessons that I've talked about, you know, yes, are, are

00:57:48.260 for sure, you know, there aren't things that I thought of there, you know, concepts that

00:57:52.000 have been around for a while and that other people, uh, far smarter than me have, have,

00:57:56.180 uh, you know, gotten me to where I am.

00:57:57.900 But, but in that hands-on experience of having, you know, dozens and dozens of dogs over the

00:58:02.680 years that are all different, but the same in certain ways, um, and having to figure out,

00:58:08.340 you know, we've got to be able to, to work with this dog.

00:58:11.140 We've got to be able to, you know, clean his kennel out.

00:58:13.200 We've got to be able to feed him.

00:58:14.380 We've got to be able to play ball.

00:58:15.540 Then we've got to be able to put them in a crate.

00:58:17.240 Got to be able to take them to a vet without, you know, us getting bit or the vet getting

00:58:20.960 bit, you know, just basic day-to-day stuff.

00:58:23.240 We're not operating at a high level with these dogs, but you know, the normal day-to-day care

00:58:26.960 we've got to be able to, to accomplish with these dogs.

00:58:29.800 And so kind of by default, you're forced with a, you have to figure out how to be able to get

00:58:35.080 these dogs to do it and that's overwhelmingly how it is done is, is using food and, and

00:58:41.080 positive reinforcement to just condition the dogs to do what we want.

00:58:44.660 You know, something as simple as, as muzzles, right?

00:58:47.040 A lot of dogs, when they're, they're driven and they're, they're predatory and they're

00:58:50.400 dominant and they're, you know, type A personality or double A, they don't want a fucking muzzle

00:58:54.860 put on them.

00:58:55.500 You know, they don't like it.

00:58:56.280 They associate it with fighting because, you know, a lot of units do a lot of muzzle work

00:59:00.240 where they're putting the muzzle on and then sending the dog into, to attack them.

00:59:04.100 And so they have that association of muzzle equals be a motherfucker.

00:59:09.180 And, uh, and, and so, you know, something as simple as just, you know, smearing peanut

00:59:13.060 butter or, uh, pill pockets because they're pretty malleable and mashing four or five of

00:59:17.860 them in the end of it.

00:59:18.600 And you're just sitting there casually and the dog comes over and again, I'm not calling

00:59:22.660 him over.

00:59:23.000 I'm not putting it on him.

00:59:23.940 I'll sit there and just hold it right here.

00:59:25.500 And when the dog comes in and he just puts his face in the muzzle to smell it, I'm going

00:59:29.960 to mark it and let him, let him eat some of it.

00:59:31.700 And then I'm going to pull it back and let him go do his thing.

00:59:34.020 You know, just something as simple as that, like instead of making him wear the muzzle

00:59:38.040 and fighting him on it, you know, I've got the straps pulled all the way back and I'm

00:59:41.700 just holding it here, you know?

00:59:43.160 And so it may take a dozen of those sessions before I even try to put the strap around it,

00:59:48.860 you know?

00:59:49.580 Uh, and you know, over a few weeks time you get to where now you can put it on him.

00:59:53.040 And now once it's on him, now he's a pain in the ass.

00:59:55.360 Well, now something as simple as taking a soccer ball and kicking it and letting him

00:59:59.140 play with it, with the muzzle on, instead of fighting me and having that, you know,

01:00:03.180 conflict, I'm going to, I'm going to kick a soccer ball around and now he gets to play

01:00:06.420 ball and punch muzzle punch the soccer ball.

01:00:08.880 And now it's a positive experience.

01:00:10.260 And so it's figuring out, you know, things like that muzzling, creating veterinary exams

01:00:15.600 is, is manipulating the environment so that I know a, I'm making it really easy for him

01:00:20.720 to make the decision that I want.

01:00:22.060 And B is that if things do go horribly wrong, you know, we've got some mitigation protocols

01:00:27.700 between fencing and crates and kennel runs and long lines and things like that, that we

01:00:33.060 can, you know, get our way out of it relatively easily and take as little damage as possible

01:00:38.020 or no, ideally.

01:00:39.340 But that's where a lot of it comes from too, is just that, that hands on, you know, because

01:00:44.400 if you can do that with a dog like that, now you're, you're dealing with, you know, the

01:00:49.460 neighbor's labradoodle that, you know, just doesn't, doesn't like its feet being touched

01:00:53.520 or whatever now is, is kind of a walk in the park by comparison.

01:00:56.640 So the neat thing is, is that, you know, dog training is dog training when it comes to,

01:01:01.700 you know, no matter what A and B are, how you get from one to the other is largely the

01:01:05.600 same from a principle standpoint.

01:01:07.380 Yeah, it's awesome.

01:01:09.300 Well, I, you know, I want to be respectful of your time.

01:01:11.160 I know you've got another commitment, so I want to get you out of here on time, but yeah,

01:01:14.400 I've just, I've been impressed with the training because I've never been able to train a dog

01:01:18.180 the way that I have with, with my two that I have now and largely in part to you, but

01:01:21.960 not only that, it's, it's just made me a more thoughtful person, which is a lot of people

01:01:27.040 will hear that and they'll be like, oh yeah, you're talking about training a dog.

01:01:29.780 Like, how does that apply?

01:01:30.660 And crazy enough, like it's just made me a more thoughtful, even maybe empathetic person to think,

01:01:36.920 okay, well, how can I get this dog to voluntarily want to do that?

01:01:41.280 Right.

01:01:41.900 Yeah.

01:01:42.360 And, and that's just maybe a more well-rounded person.

01:01:45.400 For sure.

01:01:46.040 I mean, there's a lot of similarities between, um, you know, dog training and, and just relationships.

01:01:51.380 I mean, it's a relationship just like everything else, you know?

01:01:53.980 And so, um, you know, it was interesting when I was on Jocko's podcast, you know, he, he went

01:01:58.940 over the book team dog, which is what the, you know, team dog.pet lessons are, are formulated

01:02:03.360 off of, you know, and there was a number of excerpts when he read it, he's like, dude,

01:02:07.240 that's extreme ownership to a T's.

01:02:08.900 Like it's the same, same exact concept.

01:02:10.600 It was like, yeah.

01:02:12.180 Uh, you know, it's leadership.

01:02:13.520 It's all leadership.

01:02:14.300 It is, you know, you know, and, and again, the nice thing with the nice thing that you

01:02:18.760 gain from doing it with dogs is that, you know, you, you have the ability to, to now apply

01:02:23.360 it to, to all of your personal relationships without kind of thinking about it.

01:02:26.940 You know, you, you can just default to those reinforcement strategies and, and not overthink

01:02:32.840 it because I think, you know, one of the problems we have as human beings, especially with training

01:02:36.620 dogs, but even with each other, as we overthink, you know, or we don't project and put ourself

01:02:41.320 in the other person's shoes.

01:02:42.440 And you have to do that with a dog.

01:02:44.380 If you don't, you will fail.

01:02:45.660 You know, if you, if you can't step into that dog's mind and understand how the world

01:02:50.280 works, you know, in, in his mind and how he views it, you're never going to be successful,

01:02:54.980 you know, and it's, it's largely that way with, with all of our human relationships.

01:02:58.300 So, um, you know, just, it, it helps you grow in those areas in a way that, uh, that I think

01:03:04.240 most people would, would consider an unintended positive consequence, but it's for sure applicable.

01:03:10.740 Yeah.

01:03:11.420 Well, we'll have to do another conversation.

01:03:13.160 Hopefully we'll be able to get you up to Maine.

01:03:14.660 I know we're going to do that before this whole, whole coronavirus COVID-19 fallout, but we'll

01:03:20.340 get you up here.

01:03:20.900 Cause I know you're doing some work with origin and I want to talk about mic drop too, because

01:03:24.940 you're having some conversations that aren't always, aren't always popular or well-received,

01:03:31.560 but critical conversations to be had.

01:03:33.400 So I want to address that too.

01:03:34.500 We'll have to do that in another part.

01:03:36.560 Yeah, I'd be happy to.

01:03:37.960 Right on, man.

01:03:38.780 Well, Hey, uh, as we wind down, let me ask you a couple of additional questions.

01:03:41.940 The first one, and I've asked you this before when you were on the first time, but, uh, what

01:03:45.800 does it mean to be a man?

01:03:48.120 You know, to me, it's just doing what is necessary, you know?

01:03:51.360 And, and, you know, to me there, there is, I think, uh, maybe a misconception as to, you

01:03:57.740 know, being a man means, and it's this aesthetic, you know, image of, of what being, you know,

01:04:03.920 a double a personality caveman is to me.

01:04:06.960 It's, you know, what you do, whatever it is that you want to do, but, but you handle it

01:04:12.540 responsibly, you know, is that you take accountability for whatever it is that you want to do, you know?

01:04:18.060 And, and, and to me, there's, there's just simply, there's doing the right thing and

01:04:21.980 there's everything else, you know?

01:04:24.100 And so it's, it's whatever you engage in being is that you, you make a net positive impact

01:04:30.060 on whatever the fuck that is, you know?

01:04:32.360 And to me, that's the essence of a man.

01:04:34.060 It's not, you know, having to do super masculine things again, it's, it's whatever it is that

01:04:38.520 you want to do, but, but do it well, be accountable, uh, be net positive and, and don't shortcut

01:04:44.940 shit and do the wrong things and take advantage of people.

01:04:47.480 And, and, you know, to me, that's, that's the essence of it in the most simplest nutshell

01:04:51.800 that I can provide.

01:04:53.680 Perfect.

01:04:54.020 It's perfect.

01:04:54.880 All right, man.

01:04:55.320 How do we connect with you?

01:04:56.140 Learn about the training, everything else you got, how you have going on, including the

01:04:58.960 foundation as well.

01:04:59.760 So the guys know where to go.

01:05:01.340 No, I appreciate it.

01:05:02.100 So teamdog.pet is the online training that I talk about.

01:05:04.860 It's 99 bucks for a full year of unlimited access.

01:05:07.360 Plus I get in the forums, the message forums every, uh, every Monday morning and answer

01:05:12.460 questions, um, uh, tricos.com is where I've got, you know, my leash and collar, my crates,

01:05:18.840 CBD oil, um, dog food and treats, uh, all the different tricos products that I've developed,

01:05:24.360 uh, over the years, uh, are available there as well as the personal protection dog, uh,

01:05:29.140 inquiry, uh, stuff like that.

01:05:30.900 Uh, mic drop doesn't have its own URL, but if you go on micritland.com or just, uh, search

01:05:36.220 it on YouTube or iTunes, you can listen to a mic drop podcast.

01:05:39.580 And, uh, last but certainly not least the warrior dog foundation, uh, as a warrior dog

01:05:44.440 foundation.org.

01:05:45.940 Again, we've retired almost 200 dogs in the last 10 years, uh, all of, you know, which

01:05:50.580 come from special operations units, police departments, uh, federal law enforcement, you

01:05:55.240 know, customs, board patrol, you, you name it.

01:05:57.220 We've pretty much taken a dog from, from them as an entity, uh, thus far.

01:06:01.580 And, uh, and you know, it's for sure a labor of love.

01:06:05.300 It's something that, uh, you know, we all get bit and, uh, and it's, it's a heartache

01:06:09.920 sometimes, but, you know, when you walk through that kennel facility and look into the eyes

01:06:14.360 of every single dog and, you know, you know, damn well that every single one of them would

01:06:19.320 be, you know, in a box full of ashes on somebody's desk, if we hadn't taken them in

01:06:24.840 is a pretty neat feeling to be able to be a part of that.

01:06:27.860 Uh, and so, you know, we don't have any federal funding there, there isn't grants or federal

01:06:33.220 funding from the, from the U S military or the, or the department of defense or the U S

01:06:37.560 government, generally speaking, uh, for, uh, our organization or any of them like it,

01:06:42.420 unfortunately.

01:06:43.560 Uh, so all of our support is garnered from private individuals and things of that nature.

01:06:48.400 So, uh, if you want to check it out, go to warrior dog foundation.org, you can donate

01:06:52.940 there, uh, or get involved.

01:06:54.880 You can apply to adopt one of these dogs.

01:06:56.760 I will say, unless you own your own home, don't have any children or other pets, uh,

01:07:02.120 and have an understanding how to, how to care for these animals, at least at a basic

01:07:05.560 degree.

01:07:06.800 Um, you know, we're, we're not interested in adopting dogs out other than into those

01:07:12.120 environments because it's such a liability, but yeah.

01:07:15.320 So just keep that in mind if, if you do apply, but, uh, but we're always looking to, uh, to

01:07:20.300 rehome as many of these dogs as we can.

01:07:22.580 Right on, Mike.

01:07:23.340 We'll sync it all up so everybody knows where to go.

01:07:25.040 I really appreciate you.

01:07:25.900 I know we've been able to talk and build somewhat of a friendship, but, um, you've

01:07:30.480 had a direct impact outside of even that on my family, just because of the way that you've

01:07:34.440 helped me train my dogs and help my kids get involved in that process.

01:07:38.120 And, um, it's just brought us closer together, which is something I really wouldn't have like

01:07:42.460 initially considered, but it's actually been, like you said, one of those unintended

01:07:46.200 benefits of, uh, working together and working through your programs and courses.

01:07:49.680 Well, I appreciate that very much.

01:07:51.640 And to me, like that's, that's the biggest compliment and, and, uh, you know, purpose

01:07:55.660 driven feedback I can possibly get.

01:07:57.680 So I'm humbled to have, I have you feel that way and, uh, and honored to be a part of it

01:08:02.680 because it's, uh, to me, that's just a win all the way across the board.

01:08:05.700 So I appreciate you saying that.

01:08:07.220 Right on.

01:08:07.660 Thanks.

01:08:07.860 Especially if you mean it.

01:08:09.440 Yeah, I do.

01:08:10.100 I do.

01:08:10.460 You know, I say a lot of things I don't mean, but, uh, this is one of those things where

01:08:13.540 I, where I do mean it.

01:08:15.800 Thanks, man.

01:08:17.860 Gentlemen, there you go.

01:08:18.560 My conversation with Mike Ritland.

01:08:19.860 I hope you enjoyed as much as I always do when we have our conversations.

01:08:22.900 Um, yeah, like I said, very fascinating man.

01:08:25.200 Always got a great perspective.

01:08:26.880 One that I aligned with very closely, which is why we're, we're probably friends.

01:08:31.620 Uh, yeah.

01:08:32.260 If you're interested in training a dog, if you want to listen to his podcast, if you want

01:08:35.640 to pick up any of his books, like he put all the information out there, just make

01:08:38.720 sure you tag along, you follow him, uh, you connect with him.

01:08:42.380 He's very responsive and a lot of wisdom and valuable information to share, uh, connect

01:08:48.320 with him on Instagram, uh, me as well, wherever you're doing the social media thing, connect

01:08:52.420 with both of us.

01:08:52.920 Let us, let us know what you thought about the show and the conversation.

01:08:55.300 And, uh, let's keep, let's keep the conversation alive over on the, over on the socials.

01:09:00.460 All right, guys, that's it for today.

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Order of Man - July 07, 2020

How Dogs Can Make You a Better Man ｜ MIKE RITLAND

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