Order of Man - How to Lead Yourself Well, The Origins of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and the Necessity of Innovation

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.460 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Kip, what's going on, man? Glad to be joining you for another

00:00:27.360 Ask Me Anything. Yeah. You ready to do this? Facebook. Yeah, we're live on Facebook. As

00:00:34.160 far as I know. As far as I know. Well, I was going to start sharing a story with you, but

00:00:38.440 you said, no, let's share this where everybody can hear it. Yeah, it had quality, just good

00:00:44.440 entertainment. Yeah, I may or may not have been training jiu-jitsu last night. And I was

00:00:54.200 rolling with, well, I won't say who it is just in case they feel bad about this, but

00:00:59.460 I was rolling with a training partner. And, you know, I was doing pretty good. I felt

00:01:05.020 pretty good. I caught him in a submission. I say caught because I really just did catch

00:01:08.580 it. Like it wasn't like, it was legit, but it was, I just caught him. You know what I'm

00:01:13.520 saying? Yeah. Yeah. You never know if it's a little bit of luck or. Right. Right. I'm not

00:01:18.000 taking credit for it as much. It was the, it was the, the move that you taught me with

00:01:22.920 the lapel over the neck, grab from underneath. And I couldn't quite tighten it down, but I

00:01:28.860 swung my leg up over cause I was going to start, it wasn't working. So I swung my leg

00:01:32.740 over and thought, well, maybe I can get an arm bar in here. And as soon as I put my leg

00:01:36.440 over it, like tightened everything up and I stayed with it and caught him. Nice. So

00:01:41.880 you ended up with the choke, almost like a hanging. Yeah. As you're putting your hips

00:01:47.100 into him. Okay. Right. It felt really good. Um, and then, and then it was all over from

00:01:53.760 there. So to which like his little, uh, dial switch of, uh, of, uh, of aggression went

00:02:02.760 from, uh, no, I mean, he wasn't being a jerk, but like it was, it was on. So, so I think

00:02:09.680 I, I honestly, I can't really remember, but I think I was either in his guard. I'm

00:02:17.200 pretty sure I was in his guard and he caught me in a bread cutter. And I remember

00:02:24.040 thinking, Oh, this feels pretty tight, but like, I'm okay. And the next thing I

00:02:30.560 know I'm waking up and he's shaking my legs. He's like, Hey Ryan, wake up, wake up. And

00:02:36.320 he's shaking my legs. And I'm like, Holy cow. What happened? He's like, you passed

00:02:41.380 out. And I was like, cause I was dreaming. I was in la la land. Like I woke up and I

00:02:46.620 was like, Oh, I had a nice night's rest. Like I just woke up, had some weird dreams

00:02:50.200 and here I am. How did I get to jujitsu? Yeah. You're on the, uh, you're on the

00:02:55.400 island. The island. Yeah. The island. Is that what it is? Yeah. So, so he's, so I'm

00:03:00.840 like, what happened, man? He's like, I don't know. He's like, you were good. And then all of a

00:03:05.500 a sudden you just went, ah, started gurgling and went limp. And I was waiting

00:03:11.920 for you to tap. Cause I knew I had you, or he said, I was waiting for you to tap. Cause

00:03:15.620 I knew I had you. And all of a sudden you started gurgling and just went limp and

00:03:19.320 then just like flopped on the floor. And that's when I started kind of trying to

00:03:22.600 wake you up. You're only out for like a second, you know? Anyways. Um, so people

00:03:27.940 say, well, why don't you tap earlier? I thought I was good actually. Like I knew it was

00:03:32.520 tight, but I was like this, I'm fine. Anyways, he, he had made an adjustment.

00:03:36.460 Like he did, he got me and I felt good. And then he made an adjustment and just

00:03:39.940 cinched everything down. Yeah. And I was out. So, uh, yeah. So that was in, and then

00:03:45.420 it took me a minute to like come to you. And then Pete's like, Hey man, you want to

00:03:48.440 roll again? Cause I'd rolled with him earlier in the night. And I'm like, yeah, I

00:03:52.000 think so. Let me just, uh, I just need a few seconds here so I can wake back up.

00:03:55.780 So anyways, it was, it was, it may or may not have been good training last night.

00:03:59.800 Yeah. That's a hypothetical. We don't, I can't confirm whether that's a true story

00:04:04.160 or just something I made up. It may be fictional. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

00:04:07.100 Be a fictional story. That's what the only time I've almost fallen asleep. It was

00:04:12.080 kind of like, uh, like the, the window was closing and I like was kind of floating

00:04:17.620 and, um, it was, it wasn't even during training. It was over like an instruction.

00:04:23.700 So I think I was tired. My, I probably my sugar levels were lower or

00:04:29.480 something. And we were just going over chokes. That's it. Like just going over

00:04:33.240 chokes. And all of a sudden I'm like, honestly, honestly. So yeah, if it were,

00:04:39.060 if it's a good choke, it's a good choke. I don't think it takes much.

00:04:41.700 It was a good show. And then I was thinking about it. The interesting thing

00:04:45.040 about like a choke, you know, cause you have your, you're like your blood

00:04:49.280 chokes. Right. And they don't hurt at all. No, no, I wasn't hurt. Like I wasn't

00:04:53.920 hurting. I just remember thinking, Oh, this is like tight, but like, I'm okay.

00:04:57.080 Like maybe he'll let go. That's, that was my thought. Like maybe he'll let go. Cause

00:05:00.200 it's not working. And then out. Yeah. He's drifted to a dream slowly. Yep. Anyways.

00:05:06.040 So there's your, uh, there's your entertainment for the day, fellas. Uh, I love that. Yeah.

00:05:11.040 It was a good time. It was a good time. We had, we had a lot of fun. Yeah. Hypothetically,

00:05:16.160 hypothetically speaking in a fictional universe, it would have been a blast. It would have been a good,

00:05:20.840 you know, it was a dream. This was all made up. It was a made up story. All right, man,

00:05:24.340 let's get to the questions. We got some questions. We're live on Facebook. Uh, I think these questions

00:05:28.380 come from the, uh, the iron council, by the way, if you guys are interested in our exclusive

00:05:33.540 brotherhood, the iron council, then check it out. Order of man.com slash iron council. We're not

00:05:38.180 creative around here, but you can find us. Yeah. It's like slash something, um, regarding

00:05:43.160 Facebook, I think back. No, it's a forward slash for sure. Positive. We need to put a point out there.

00:05:50.400 This is my realm of expertise. I actually, I have no, I have no desire to know anyone's

00:05:55.220 opinion about. No, I want to know wrong. I want to know is, is the slash that you would use.

00:06:00.920 So it's higher in the top, right? Lower in the bottom left, right? That's what we're talking about.

00:06:06.680 Is that a backslash or a forward slash? No, a forward slash is leaning to the right.

00:06:14.560 That's what I'm asking. Yeah. So I think that's a backslash. It is not. I brought it back. It's

00:06:20.120 leaning back. No. All right. Let's get to this. Let's get to some real stuff here.

00:06:26.000 If you guys want to join us in the future, uh, maybe, maybe, you know, we don't know,

00:06:30.280 but join us on Facebook, facebook.com slash group slash order van. That's where we're going live.

00:06:34.800 I just wanted to bring that up since we said we're live. Right. Yep. Cool, man. All right.

00:06:39.100 First question, Bill tail. If you could learn one skill in the next 48 hours, what it would,

00:06:45.100 what would it be and why? Disclaimer, you have 1000 or less to spend on time and material.

00:06:52.820 48 hours, 48 hours of learning a skill with a thousand bucks. You know, something I've actually

00:06:57.980 been thinking a lot about, cause I'm doing a little bit of work with warrior poet society.

00:07:01.660 A lot of you guys are familiar with them. Yeah. Uh, and we've got some cool announcements

00:07:05.820 coming out very soon. So be on the lookout for that. Anyways, uh, I would really like to know

00:07:11.700 tactical shooting very well. I think that would be a very cool skill. I think it'd be very applicable.

00:07:19.020 Uh, I think it would be enjoyable. I've done a little rifle work, um, primarily because I was

00:07:23.820 in the military, but like pistol work is something that I could see as switching between or whatever

00:07:28.060 that's called. Uh, yeah, but just being able to draw quicker, uh, being able to exchange and,

00:07:35.540 and, uh, magazines, you know, just, just that sort of thing. I think that would be a very cool

00:07:41.020 skill to have, uh, and, and practical, you know, hopefully you would never have to use that, but

00:07:45.780 it would be a good skill to have. And hopefully, like I said, never have to use it, but if you have

00:07:49.800 it and need it, then it's there and present. So I actually think that would be really valuable.

00:07:53.260 In fact, I've talked to them about it and we're going to, we're going to do some stuff there.

00:07:57.100 Um, outside of that, like when I leaned to very applicable skills, like what would I want to know?

00:08:02.880 And what would I want to be a master at anything communication? So if it's presenting,

00:08:07.920 uh, if it's building a network, if it's adding value to other people, like any way that I can

00:08:14.320 build and expand my influence, credibility and network, that's always been really, really valuable

00:08:19.060 for me. So I take a lot of courses and programs and trainings. I study what I see as other good

00:08:24.280 presenters are doing. I emulate what they, what they do personally and try to improve it for myself.

00:08:30.820 I think like, if there's one skill that you could learn, I like just one, it would be the

00:08:36.660 ability to communicate effectively. I just think that is one of the most valuable skills because

00:08:41.740 it's, it impacts everything else, right? It impacts your ability to lead as a father. It impacts your

00:08:48.000 ability to sell. It impacts your ability to ask for a promotion or, uh, or ask for a date or ask for

00:08:54.620 hand in marriage. Every facet of life can be improved through your ability to communicate

00:09:02.080 and express ideas effectively. So that's another skillset that I think is something every man should

00:09:07.220 consider. Cool. There you go, Bill. Primate ball. What thought process do you use to decide as to

00:09:14.060 whether one should reinvent the wheel versus using an already proven strategy when making key life

00:09:19.940 decisions? I personally like to do things myself, even if it leads to some dead ends and helps me

00:09:25.400 feel independent in a way. Yeah. I don't really think there's anything wrong with experimenting

00:09:31.340 and, and reinventing the wheel to a degree to see what works, to have some creative muscles and juices

00:09:38.860 flowing. I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. Now, when it comes to the actual

00:09:42.500 situation, especially if you're crunched for time or resources, money, then maybe you ought to

00:09:48.340 do what's worked and ensure that you create some sort of success. Uh, there's a, there's a principle

00:09:55.040 it's actually first principles is, is the idea. Uh, and, and I had a former rocket scientist on the

00:10:03.460 podcast about four weeks ago, his name is Ozan Virol and he worked for NASA. He worked on the Mars

00:10:10.300 rover missions and he was talking a lot on that podcast about Elon Musk. And he talks about in his book,

00:10:15.580 think like a rocket scientist. And he calls these first principles and first principles are when you

00:10:21.800 strip everything else away. Like these are the principles of rocket propulsion, for example.

00:10:27.500 But when Elon Musk started looking at how to, uh, uh, send, send a mission to Mars, you know, he looked,

00:10:36.560 he looked at the first principles, the things that, that are principles that you have to use,

00:10:41.280 but there's other things like reusable rocket boosters, for example, that wasn't a first

00:10:46.440 principle. He just looked at it from a different angle. Rocket propulsion is rocket propulsion, but

00:10:51.320 can we reuse this? He started using different material that was less expensive, that was lighter

00:10:57.720 and more durable. And this, this, if I remember correctly, was entirely unheard of in, in, in the,

00:11:06.040 the space exploration space, but he looked at it from that perspective. So he relied on first

00:11:12.100 principles, foundational principles, and then started messing with the other variables that

00:11:17.400 weren't first principles and then created this entirely new thing. They talk a lot about it too,

00:11:22.420 in the, in the book, um, blue ocean strategy. And they talk about taking ideas from one market sector

00:11:29.860 and then adding another market sector. The one that really stands out for me is Cirque du Soleil

00:11:35.200 and their shows. They took elements of the circus and then they implemented it and combined it with

00:11:42.520 elements of theater. And they created this entirely new blue ocean, an uncontested market space because

00:11:49.500 they took ideas from different places. And this is actually the advantage that men have

00:11:55.220 when they come into a space or a sector that they're not entirely familiar with. Like, for example,

00:12:03.120 if I came into the IT, the networking, the computer, the consulting business, like you're doing Kip,

00:12:09.180 not that I would be an expert of course, because you you're the expert, but I would potentially bring

00:12:14.080 something to the table that none of you guys have ever even remotely considered before. Cause it isn't

00:12:19.640 in your purview. It isn't in your wheelhouse and same thing with other people coming into my space.

00:12:24.560 So we ought to be very aware that just because they're made, they may not be an expert

00:12:28.240 doesn't mean they don't have some, some interesting ideas. I think about this in the context of fighters,

00:12:34.860 like MMA fighters, for example, you see certain guys come in who are very unorthodox, like Conor

00:12:41.200 McGregor, really unorthodox, right? You think about Tony Ferguson, although he, did you see that match

00:12:46.780 by the way, with Tony Ferguson and Justin Gaethje? Oh my goodness. Tough fight, man. That was a clinic by

00:12:52.200 Gaethje. That was amazing. Anyways, but Tony Ferguson props to him. You know, I I've never

00:12:57.900 seen somebody take abuse like that. That was crazy. Yeah. He, he might be hurt at the, at the last

00:13:04.540 round where he was like, his brain wasn't firing right. Like he was shaking it off and like, he

00:13:08.840 wasn't, he was not there anyways. But you take a guy like Tony Ferguson, the reason he's been so hard

00:13:14.420 to deal with is because he's unorthodoxed. Yeah. Like you don't know what he's going to do. He does

00:13:18.400 weird things. He moves weird. He's like, and so when you see it for the first time, you think it's

00:13:23.460 very strange, but also he's a very good, like he knows how to fight too. It's not like just some

00:13:30.560 random wild man who just goes in there and swinging all over the place. Yeah. Exactly. He's got a

00:13:36.620 strategy. He's obviously conditioned very well. He's, he's, if I understand correctly, correct me

00:13:42.100 if I'm wrong, maybe, you know, but he's probably a black belt in jujitsu. Uh, he knows how to strike.

00:13:47.920 He knows how to throw a punch. He obviously knows how to take a punch. Like he knows these things,

00:13:52.040 first principles. And then once he has the first principles down, he's able to develop his game

00:13:57.640 above and beyond that because he has those basics mastered. And then it can take other elements and

00:14:02.520 create an entirely new thing and push the sport forward in a place that, you know, other people

00:14:07.460 just aren't able to do. Uh, Muhammad Ali, very much the same way that showboat, that showman mentality,

00:14:13.640 getting in people's heads, right? That wasn't present before him really. So is he, is he a good

00:14:20.360 boxer? Hell yeah. He's a good boxer. And then he brought a new element into it to make something

00:14:26.080 better than we've ever seen before. So I don't think it's about reinventing the wheel. It's about

00:14:30.820 taking first principles, getting so good at the fundamentals. Like, uh, my friend, Sean Whalen was

00:14:36.340 talking about this the other day. He had posted a video and he said he went to a baseball game. And if

00:14:40.700 you watch these major league baseball players, they are doing the same thing that my three and

00:14:48.500 four-year-olds are doing off of a tee. They're hitting off a tee. They're taking soft toss.

00:14:53.140 They got the fungo bat out and they're taking drills and grounders. They're doing the same

00:14:57.560 thing because they've got so good at the basics and getting good at the basics is what allows you

00:15:04.060 to be creative with other avenues. But if you're not good at the basics, you can't really be creative

00:15:08.860 in a meaningful way. Anyways, I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think you get it.

00:15:12.820 Well, and I think something that crossed my mind while you're sharing, Ryan, is,

00:15:16.720 is we make a lot of assumptions sometimes, right? Like we, I think it's valuable to look at a scenario

00:15:22.720 and just look at anything that's assumed and question it. You're like, okay, well, you know,

00:15:28.260 if you use, you know, uh, Elon Musk as an example, it's like, it was an assumption that,

00:15:32.420 hey, guess what? We, we waste the rocket. Well, why? Like, don't go with that assumption.

00:15:38.280 Like question the assumption. Why do we have to do that? Right. And, and I think in those moments

00:15:42.360 is where we find some creativity and a lot of efficiencies because I, I, from an IT perspective

00:15:49.860 all the time, you know, you look at a business process and we evaluate a flow of efficiency in

00:15:54.860 a business. And it's like, well, why do we do that? Right. Let's question it. Well, because when

00:16:00.800 I started the person before me used to do, you know, copies of that file and they put it in this

00:16:06.300 file. Okay. Well, let's not just assume that that's still valuable. So let's now deep dive into

00:16:11.960 it. And now we find out that like, there's this high inefficiency in a business process because why

00:16:16.480 that's why I was trained 10 years ago. And I've done that this whole time. And no one's even been

00:16:20.920 looking at that data the entire time. Right. So we just have these assumptions that we just

00:16:25.900 make. And, and to your point on the MMA side is like, I think we see that in jujitsu too,

00:16:31.100 where you, you, you get guys that I want to be careful on seeing this, but they're kind

00:16:36.700 of one, one trick ponies, right? They are amazing in the leg lock game, for instance, but they've

00:16:43.280 honed into that. They've critiqued it. They've made it their specialty. And by doing so, they've

00:16:49.520 been able to rock the system. And then what happens is people adjust to it, right? They

00:16:55.220 figure it out. Okay. Okay. We need to adjust. But those guys, those innovators in that early

00:16:59.940 stage, when they push the envelope and before people have a chance to adjust and, and to

00:17:05.880 that style, they have this, this opening of huge success until people catch up. You know,

00:17:11.740 you can see it with Hoist Gracie in the early days of, of, of the UFC. It's like, no one could

00:17:17.560 stop the guy. Why? Because it, no one knew what the hell he was doing. Like it was so

00:17:21.760 foreign. And now it's like, okay, you want to be an MMA, MMA fighter, whether you do jujitsu

00:17:26.860 or not, you have to be able to defend it. You have to be able to stop it. And then it, and

00:17:31.640 then it increases the, the, the bar of what's required to be an MMA fighter now. Right.

00:17:37.820 And then you'll see guys that adjust to styles of Conor McGregor, Tony Ferguson to adjust

00:17:43.760 then. And then all of a sudden it's like someone else going to come up with some other style that

00:17:47.740 people are going to have to contend with adjust. And then we all improve. Right. Right. This is why

00:17:53.040 innovation is so important. And I fall into this trap quite often. I wish that I didn't, but I think

00:17:58.540 we all do is we begin to rest on our laurels, right? So we do one thing and then we have success

00:18:04.160 at that endeavor and we think, oh, okay, well it got me to this point. So solid. Yeah. I just got to

00:18:09.160 keep doing this or I got to do it harder or I got to do it longer or more. And it will produce the

00:18:14.100 same results. No, it won't because people are adjusting. People are learning. People are evolving.

00:18:21.180 Your competitors are coming up behind you. They're adjusting and you need to constantly be

00:18:27.380 innovating and creating new ways. This is why we're doing, for example, this live. Now that might seem

00:18:32.360 like a small innovate. It doesn't even sound like an innovation. It's just an evolution, right? It's like,

00:18:37.060 oh, should we do this pivot? Yeah. Pivot. Same thing. And maybe not even a pivot. It's just like,

00:18:41.580 oh, here's one more resource that we can make this available. Same thing with YouTube. It's like,

00:18:46.220 we already had the podcast available and guys are like, oh man, how do you do so much?

00:18:50.420 The reason we can do as much as we do right now is because we've learned this side and we'd become

00:18:56.060 very proficient at podcasting, for example, which now gives us a leverage to be able to explore

00:19:01.560 and pursue different avenues that might get us a larger reach that might impact more men.

00:19:07.660 But you don't get to short change the system. The only way you short change it in a way is by

00:19:13.220 hiring mentors and coaches who will walk you through some of the pitfalls that you would

00:19:17.060 otherwise step into. And I have, I brought on coaches and mentors who have said, I don't know,

00:19:22.520 like I tried that and it didn't work. And sometimes my coaches have said, I don't know,

00:19:26.860 like maybe you should just try it and see. And sometimes you just take a rip and you might make

00:19:31.660 contact and you might strike out, but you learn. So continue to evolve, continue to innovate.

00:19:37.720 Don't rest on what's worked in the past. Take the first principles. Hey, here's the foundational

00:19:43.200 principles. I'm going to continue to use those, but I'm going to innovate and evolve to create new

00:19:47.460 results for myself.

00:19:48.360 Yeah. Love it, man. So I hopped on Facebook, right? So we have a couple, like Colorado,

00:19:55.100 someone from India. That's kind of cool. Wisconsin. Do you see the default stupid thumbnail that's

00:20:02.200 being used on Facebook?

00:20:04.100 No. What is it? Hold on. Now I got to see it.

00:20:07.840 Oh my goodness.

00:20:09.500 No, what is it? I don't, I guess I can't see it or something here.

00:20:12.160 Okay. It's me making a really stupid face and that's what's the default thumbnail.

00:20:18.320 You smiling like a, like a, we're both smiling. We're both smiling.

00:20:25.800 Oh, well. All right. Bill Sharp. If you go back in time, one of these questions,

00:20:30.860 but it's actually kind of funny. If you could go back in time and give one piece of advice

00:20:34.160 to your 18 year old version of yourself, what would it be? And why jujitsu?

00:20:38.400 Wait, why jujitsu is separate from that question, right?

00:20:45.540 I'm assuming what he's saying is, of course the answer is jujitsu and why, but maybe not. Maybe

00:20:51.380 that, maybe Bill met two different questions there.

00:20:53.340 I don't know. I, yeah. Um, sometimes my wife laughs at me because I take things so, no, no, no, no.

00:21:01.060 I just take things so literally that sometimes she says I miss a lot of jokes because I'm like,

00:21:06.760 I don't get it. And she's like, it's a joke. I'm like, yeah, I don't get it. She's like,

00:21:10.920 because it's a joke. You're trying to like interpret what it means. Like just, just lighten

00:21:15.840 up. So my wife gives me a hard time about that. So maybe he's making a joke. And it, by the way,

00:21:19.840 if I don't get your joke guys, it has nothing to do with your ability to tell jokes and everything

00:21:25.040 with my ability to take things so seriously and literally at any given point that it might just

00:21:29.960 fly completely over my head. So if you're making a joke, good one. If not, let me, let me answer it here.

00:21:36.100 Don't take personal. Yeah. Um, all right. So what would I tell my 18 year old self?

00:21:43.540 Honestly, I would just tell him to take more risks, take more chances, like say yes to a few more

00:21:48.240 things. Uh, don't, don't be like, so driven towards one path, like explore a lot of different

00:21:57.100 things, take a bunch of different opportunities, go on trips, have experiences. If something sounds

00:22:03.060 even remotely interesting, take advantage of it, say yes to it. I mean, when you're young

00:22:08.080 at 18, like that's a perfect time to be exploring. You have low, low responsibility. You don't have a

00:22:14.000 wife. You don't have kids. You really don't have a career. You might have a job that can be on the

00:22:18.420 back burner for a minute. Like just go and explore, find out as much about the world as you possibly can

00:22:25.560 and train jujitsu. Uh, yeah. Why jujitsu? I don't know. People, people ask that all the time. I

00:22:35.620 said, why, why not this? It very easily could have been that. Cause it's superior is why next question.

00:22:42.260 I mean, no, I would say that now because is it may, maybe objectively you could make the case for

00:22:51.700 that, right? Objectively. I think you can make the case for that. A lot of people have, at least

00:22:55.780 let's say that. Yeah. So I think there's a case to be made that objectively it is a superior martial

00:23:01.740 art. Okay. To, to others. That's it. We're getting big. We're biased last year. Yeah. Right. We're

00:23:08.160 biased. Like, so we don't know. We can't objectively answer that question. So why jujitsu? Because that's

00:23:14.320 what my friends did. Yeah. Let's be afraid. Yeah. That's it. It's what got introduced to me. Yeah.

00:23:19.420 That's it. If, if all my friends did Krav or karate or boxing or wrestling or pick, then I probably

00:23:26.320 would have done one of those. And I would have been saying the same, well, you know, in jujitsu,

00:23:30.300 it's not good because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's why boxing is better. You know, whatever.

00:23:34.880 Right. I would have been making the same subjective objective case that everybody else makes about

00:23:40.920 their preferred martial art. I think again, objectively, you could make the case that

00:23:44.580 jujitsu is, is superior in a lot of ways. Um, unless you need to punch somebody. Right. And then you don't

00:23:51.860 or take a punch. Right. And then you don't really know how to do that. So yeah, that's why if we're

00:23:57.260 being truthful, it's because that's what you were doing. That's what Matthew Arrington was doing.

00:24:01.360 That's what Pete Roberts does. Those are the guys I spend time with and admire and

00:24:04.680 respect. And so naturally that's what I do. This is why it's so important to consider who

00:24:09.620 you're spending time with because of all you guys were losers and stoners and you're getting drunk

00:24:14.120 and doing all the things that you wanted to do. And, and you didn't have discipline. And I was

00:24:18.540 hanging out around you. It's very likely that I would actually be doing much of that as well.

00:24:22.960 So you got to be conscious about who you're spending time with.

00:24:25.500 Yeah. Drinking beers, my martial art. Yeah, man. Yeah. Party. Good luck with that.

00:24:32.160 Right. Andrew Alphabet. What do you do if your boss has checked out? How do you step up? Do you say

00:24:39.760 anything? Can you call them out? Hold on a second. Checked out boss. Hold on a second.

00:24:46.580 Oh, what? Come on, man. We could, you could say that guy's name. He even gave you,

00:24:50.820 he even gave you a pronunciation of it. Well, I, I copied and pasted in from.

00:24:55.280 Oh, okay. Here it is. Impagliazo. Impagliazo. Impagliazo. Andrew. There you go. All right.

00:25:03.800 What's the question? Hey, actually, why don't you go ahead and read the question and then I'll,

00:25:07.220 I'll just reply. I'm not falling for it, man. He's asking about a boss that's checked out.

00:25:14.380 Yeah. Boss is checked out. How do I step up? Do I say anything? Do I call them out?

00:25:19.720 I don't think you call them out because that's not going to go well. Right. Yeah. Do we define

00:25:25.960 what's checked out? Like, uh, is that like you have a boss that's just not engaged at work? Like

00:25:31.220 he's just kind of like, doesn't give a crap about anything anymore. Is that kind of what checked out

00:25:35.380 is you think? Uh, yeah, I think so. Maybe somebody who's just going through the motions and his heart

00:25:39.840 isn't in it. His mind isn't in it. You know, maybe he has some distractions. Maybe his wife's going

00:25:43.500 through an issue or, you know, he's dealing with something with his kid. I don't know.

00:25:47.980 You don't know. Well, maybe you do know, but I don't know. You don't know Kip, but maybe Andrew

00:25:51.880 knows. Uh, yeah. I don't think you call them out. Cause like I said, like, how is that? How do you

00:25:58.040 envision that going in your mind? Like that actually sounds like a recipe for disaster. How do you step

00:26:03.740 up? I think you just look for opportunities, right? The opportunities are going to present them

00:26:09.220 themselves and you just do it and, and make the boss look good. Yeah. I'm not saying Brown knows

00:26:14.880 him. I'm not, I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying don't undermine him. Yeah. Don't

00:26:18.340 undermine him. No, just step up to the plate. If there's an opportunity, if there's something that

00:26:22.600 needs to be addressed, if it may be even talk with a boss and say, Hey boss, you know, like we've got

00:26:26.760 this one initiative and it seems like nobody's really been on it. And, uh, I think it could be really

00:26:31.380 important because X, Y, and Z, and I would like to head this up because of, and then list off the

00:26:36.040 benefits of doing it and why you'd be the best man for the job and then get his, his sign off on it.

00:26:40.920 Can I go do this? That boss actually is probably going to appreciate that, especially if he's

00:26:45.180 checked out. Cause if you came to me and said that, and I was tuned out, I'd be like, yeah,

00:26:49.600 cause I know, right. I would know that that thing needs to be done. And if you came to me and said,

00:26:54.000 Hey, I'm going to do it again, not with the intent to like, you got to be careful. Cause if you're

00:26:58.380 doing it to like showboat or sidestep him and he interprets it that way, then he's going to shut it

00:27:05.320 down. So interpret it as, Hey, I'm trying to help you or excuse me, not deliver it as I'm trying

00:27:10.980 to help you. Uh, as I'm trying to help the team, I want to prop this, this company up or the

00:27:16.740 organization or our specific department up. And I think you'll have a lot of success with that. But

00:27:21.640 you know, here's the other thing. If he's checked out, he might have one foot out the door.

00:27:28.800 And if he has one foot out of the door, like maybe he's entertaining another job offer.

00:27:32.220 If he's got one foot out the door, there's an opportunity right there. And this is a really

00:27:39.300 good opportunity for you to, to potentially step into that position. If you're the guy who has

00:27:45.220 stepped up, who knows, you don't know, maybe he's even talking with the, uh, the owner of the

00:27:51.620 organization, for example, and saying, Hey, you know, like I'm, I'm leaving in, in six weeks or

00:27:57.640 four weeks, you don't know what's happening. And, and maybe he's looking for somebody to replace

00:28:03.800 himself. And all of a sudden, if he recognizes Andrew, you as the guy who's been stepping up and

00:28:08.740 leading and recognizing projects and tasks and things that need to be done. And he sees you doing

00:28:13.100 it and being a team player and lifting the organization up, you're going to be the selection.

00:28:17.840 So I think there's some very serious opportunities here. Now, if you have a guy who's been around for 10

00:28:22.140 years and this is constantly how he is, then this is what I was saying earlier, be a great communicator

00:28:28.360 and also be a great networker because there might be some other opportunities in the wide world that

00:28:34.460 you can take advantage of. And maybe you found yourself in a position that just doesn't have any

00:28:39.680 upward mobility, but I would say, try everything you can first give this boss. Here's another thing

00:28:46.460 I'd say. If this is out of character for him, give him some, a benefit of the doubt.

00:28:54.000 Yeah. This could be a, just a season for him or something's going on.

00:28:57.340 Yeah. So if it's out of character, I'd be like, Hmm, what's really like, what's the root here?

00:29:01.380 You know? And I, I'd give my boss the benefit of the doubt. If this is, if this is the way it is,

00:29:05.280 and it's been this way for the last decade at this point, it's probably more on you than him,

00:29:10.720 because like, what are you expecting to change over a 10 year period if you haven't changed anything?

00:29:14.940 So do what you can look for opportunities elsewhere, become a great networker and position

00:29:21.240 yourself for opportunities that may come up down the road. Cool. David Bennett, I finished reading

00:29:29.620 the way of men and now I'm reading, uh, becoming a barbarian. I would like to hear your thoughts on

00:29:35.060 Donovan's statement. Moral, uh, universalism is a philosophy of, for men who have surrendered.

00:29:42.380 Say, say the quote again, moral universalism. Moral is a philosophy for men who have surrendered.

00:29:52.120 Uh, I assume this is a great question. You know, we have Jack's actually coming to do a, uh,

00:29:58.320 to do a special visit in the iron council. So we should ask him about this, but I assume what Jack

00:30:02.560 is referring to when he talks about moral universalism is talking about, about worrying

00:30:10.340 about the whole, right? Everybody, right. And thinking that the whole is greater than the

00:30:15.680 individual. And I, and I think that's, that's a trap that that's socialism. That that's the root

00:30:22.700 of, of, of socialist ideas, right? That the group is significantly more important than the individual

00:30:29.660 and the group's rights supersede individual rights. And I think that's where we run into issues.

00:30:35.200 Group rights don't supersede individual rights. Individual rights supersede group rights. Now there

00:30:41.000 might be group identity. There might be group philosophy and foundational principles. You take, uh,

00:30:49.060 America, for example, not all, but the overwhelming majority of us believe in freedom, liberty, the

00:30:55.200 pursuit of happiness, right? And, and that's at our foundational level, but we still, even though

00:31:03.000 it's threatened at this point, we still honor the individual's rights. And it's unfortunate that

00:31:09.520 we're allowing the group's rights as a whole to overtake the individual's rights. Like I even think

00:31:16.100 about this when it comes to freedom of speech, for example, which seems like it's threatened at every

00:31:21.600 turn. If we make it so that, or, or, or we try to create systems so that people don't have hurt

00:31:31.740 feelings, then we're putting the group above the individual. And that's a recipe for disaster. So now

00:31:39.240 the group's interests as a whole take priority over what an individual thinks. So if, for example,

00:31:47.320 hate speech, and I talked about this, uh, on the podcast with Dave Rubin yesterday, he's, he actually

00:31:52.720 believes in protected hate speech because if you can't, the, the damp, the, like the dampering of

00:32:00.360 it, like it's not, he, he believes it shouldn't be allowed. Right. He should be, he believes that hate

00:32:06.200 quote unquote hate speech should be protected speech. Because if you can't protect and defend

00:32:12.900 things you don't agree with, then you have no basis to protect and defend things that you do agree

00:32:18.180 with. It either applies broadly or not at all. So I don't, I don't agree with everything that

00:32:26.160 everybody says, right? I've had guests on my podcast. I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't really

00:32:29.860 agree with that, but I, I want to, I, I respect your right to think that I respect your right to

00:32:37.360 feel that way. And you know, I've had people say things that are insulting to me, but I would never

00:32:44.240 say that that individual can't talk or speak or share his mind because I happen to be offended by

00:32:49.100 what the individual was saying. This is where we get into this universal idea that the group is larger

00:32:55.760 context is more important than any one individual. And it's just not true. And it, and it leads to

00:33:01.920 the quote that he has suggested here. What, what was the last part of that, that quote that he said?

00:33:07.980 Uh, floss surrender men who have surrendered. Yeah. Correct. That's correct. If we're talking

00:33:12.660 about it to the group, to the group, right? Right. To the authority. Right. So yes, the group is more

00:33:20.640 important than me as an individual. Now I, I actually say things like, especially in the iron

00:33:27.160 council mission first, right? So some people might interpret that as well group first. So no one

00:33:33.220 individual is going to mess with a mission. No, I'm actually protecting the individuals of the group.

00:33:37.920 So if somebody, so here's our mission and here's our purpose, right? To bridge the gap between what men

00:33:42.140 know and what they're actually doing, and then give them a framework for growing and accountability.

00:33:47.320 That's what we're doing in the iron council. That's the mission of the iron council and the

00:33:51.820 mission comes first. So if anybody comes in and is counter to that mission, they don't get to just

00:33:57.960 stick around because the individual is important because I also have a responsibility to protect the

00:34:04.140 rights of the other individuals who are on board with that mission and that purpose. So we need to

00:34:10.800 remember that the individual rights always, always come first. And then there's collective thoughts and

00:34:16.680 ideas and principles that we adhere to, but the individual is the most important unit in, in society

00:34:23.920 followed closely by the family. Yeah. And the group is just a collection of those individual rights.

00:34:29.620 Correct. And, and as the individuals change or evolve, which as I would probably say is occurring

00:34:35.900 in the U S we start seeing a shift in the group and in regards to what the group and, and sometimes that's

00:34:43.340 negative, unfortunately. And, but, but that's, what's also so powerful. And, and I don't know why, but when I hear you

00:34:49.620 express this, there's a tendency of, of agency that comes into this and ownership of oneself. There's a tendency of when the

00:34:58.920 group comes first, I'm a, I'm a victim to the group and I'm not owning, or I'm not like thriving forward on my individual

00:35:06.340 self in regards to what's important and ultimately doing what's best. You know what I mean? For myself

00:35:11.020 and for my family, it's, it's, I'm, I'm a, I'm a victim of the overall group or the, you know, universalism.

00:35:18.420 Yeah. I mean, one example I have is people talk about like white privilege. Like that, these are the

00:35:25.540 kind of messages that I get. It's like, Oh, you, you, you're speaking like someone with white privilege.

00:35:30.220 Well, if you mean, am I white? I would agree with that. If you mean that there's situations that have

00:35:36.240 been, that I had been the fortunate recipient and beneficiary of that were largely outside of my

00:35:41.860 control, I would also agree with that. But what would you have me do? Like not take advantage of

00:35:49.840 the opportunities that I'm presented with. Yeah. Or, or somehow make quote unquote amends with somebody

00:35:56.620 that I had nothing to do with their situation. Oh, and by the way, there's also things that I've

00:36:02.560 overcome in my life that other people haven't had to deal with. And I'm not throwing a pity party about

00:36:07.140 that. I'm just saying we all deal with things, some harder than others, some just different than

00:36:12.860 others. So we've all had to overcome things. There's all there's challenge in all of it. But if we begin

00:36:18.680 to believe that the, a group of people has, has made us the subjects or, you know, then, then of

00:36:28.100 course we're going to blame it on them and discard any personal accountability or responsibility we have

00:36:33.260 for our situation. Now, some of those things may have happened. Slavery, for example, I'm not saying

00:36:38.180 that didn't exist. Of course it existed and it's tragic. And it's, and it is a scar in, in our history,

00:36:47.300 but it's there and it no longer exists. Is there racism? Sure. There is. And that's a challenge that

00:36:54.740 some people will have to overcome. We're going to fight to ensure that doesn't, doesn't happen.

00:36:59.380 And I believe we live in the least racist country and society in the history of the world ever,

00:37:06.600 but that doesn't mean we don't have room to go. We do, but there's still opportunity, right?

00:37:11.960 There's still things and, and, and you're not being hindered by the, by the group. So it's,

00:37:17.600 it's, I happen to agree with this quote, as far as I am interpreting it and, and defining it.

00:37:24.800 Yeah. It'll be great to have Don on and yeah, for sure. Purposely bring this up. I liked it.

00:37:30.780 Yeah. All right. John Jenkinson, what is your vision for the iron council in the next three years?

00:37:36.040 Uh, well, again, you know, like I've talked to you guys at length, you know, I really plan in

00:37:41.780 quarterly segments, but the vision for the iron council is I imagine capping it off here in the

00:37:46.740 not too distant future. Uh, I, I, I get, again, the vision hasn't changed. Uh, and I just said it

00:37:53.200 a couple of minutes ago, the vision is to bridge the gap between what men know they should be doing

00:37:58.480 and what they're actually doing. That's the greatest problem men face because most men know what they

00:38:03.380 should be doing. You want to lose weight. You exercise, you move a little bit more. You live

00:38:08.100 a healthier lifestyle, reduce unnecessary stress, get the proper level of sleep. This isn't new

00:38:13.580 information, right? You want to get promoted or start a business, learn how to add more value,

00:38:19.120 learn to listen to your customer or your employer and continue to add value over and over and over

00:38:26.180 again. And you will inevitably produce the results. You want to improve your bank account. Well,

00:38:29.900 you need to learn to make again yourself more valuable. So your time is worth more money or

00:38:35.060 you're leveraging your time by hiring other people to do your work. Right? So you're now a business

00:38:41.040 owner. Uh, and then invest wisely, spend less money on things you don't need. That's how you build

00:38:48.660 wealth. Like these aren't new concepts. So the vision has always been, how do we, how do we take a guy

00:38:55.580 who's not experiencing the results that he wants in his life and help them bridge the gap between

00:39:02.240 what he already knows he should be doing and then giving him the, the, the foundation, the framework,

00:39:09.280 the roadmap, and the added level of accountability and camaraderie with other men to get there to help

00:39:14.800 him go from point A to point B. That vision has never changed. We started the iron council in

00:39:21.260 November of 2015. So almost, you know, coming at four and a half years now, roughly it's never

00:39:28.840 changed. And in three years, barring some unforeseen or unknown event or change of circumstances,

00:39:34.740 it will continue to be the vision bridging the gap between what we know, what we do.

00:39:39.840 So the objectives change right now, right now, for example, we're in the midst of achievement

00:39:45.520 and advancement initiatives in the iron council, right? We're bringing on guests. We're having

00:39:51.220 other people, uh, within the iron council, uh, work in their specialties and working on assignments

00:39:57.560 and video. So there's always new objectives and strategies that we have, but the vision has always

00:40:02.540 stayed the same. And again, barring some unknown circumstances will always be the same. It's going to be

00:40:08.360 the same in three years. I don't know what the objectives are. I don't know what the tactics

00:40:13.280 are going to look like, but I know that that's going to be the vision. All right. Tyson junkers,

00:40:19.080 a good friend of mine has been working at the same company for a while now, but is looking for

00:40:22.940 something new. He's just not sure what he wants to do. What advice would you give someone like that?

00:40:28.440 Who's unsure where to start or what direction to go? It sounds like Tyson's friend is looking for

00:40:33.860 finality. Right. So like, okay, I'm looking for something new and this has to be it. Like this

00:40:41.820 has to be the thing. Yeah. Right. It's, it doesn't work like that. Life does not work linear like that.

00:40:49.800 I mean, it'd be awesome if you could say, okay, well, I meant to do this and I'm going to do this.

00:40:52.980 And I think we get this idea from the silver screen, right? Like we see this, we see this kid

00:40:58.640 who always wants to be a race car driver or a fighter pilot or a baseball player or whatever.

00:41:04.320 Right. And then he goes through some difficult circumstances and he has a mentor coming to his

00:41:08.480 life and he overcomes some personal challenges and some internal struggles. And then two hours later,

00:41:13.460 he has the thing that he wants. And it's like this linear progression.

00:41:17.940 So we buy into the idea that it's supposed to be linear. It's not, it's all over the place.

00:41:25.500 Right. So for me, I, I've done pizza delivery. I've done landscaping. I've done electrical.

00:41:33.740 I served in the military. I did some heating and air stuff. Uh, then I started in a financial

00:41:39.500 planning practice. I worked with three different firms, two of which were, were structured a little

00:41:44.120 bit differently than I started my own. And then I started a podcast for the financial planning

00:41:48.560 practice. And then I stopped doing it for the financial planning practice, uh, practice,

00:41:52.700 and then went to the switch to order of man, which was just a podcast. And then it goes on and on and

00:41:59.620 on. Right. So, and in three years, it could be something completely different. I don't know.

00:42:03.780 So instead of looking for the finality of something, just start exploring something.

00:42:10.420 So if something sounds even remotely interesting, then I would say, take a step in whatever direction

00:42:17.240 that is. That's all you owe yourself. You don't owe yourself to go down that path. You don't owe

00:42:23.020 yourself the finality of whatever that may be. All that you owe to yourself is, hmm, that thing kind

00:42:29.180 of sounds interesting. What would it look like if I just took one step towards that thing? And that

00:42:36.040 first step might just be purchase a course on whatever that subject is, or go to a class or have a

00:42:45.120 conversation with somebody, you know, is in that business or that industry. It's just life is a

00:42:50.440 series of just steps. That's all it is. It's not leaps at steps. So what Tyson, I would tell your

00:42:55.360 friend is I would ask him what sounds interesting. And I would have, I would encourage him to do this

00:43:01.500 exercise, write down as many things as possible, like a hundred things, like give them like hunt.

00:43:07.480 You got to write down a hundred things that sound interesting to you. And the reason I tell you to do a

00:43:10.980 hundred is because if I, if I told you to do three, you would start disqualifying things.

00:43:18.880 Naturally, you'd be like, well, I'd like to, you know, I'd like to trade baseball cards or whatever,

00:43:23.880 whatever your thing is. You're like, yeah, but you know this, and you'd come up with all these

00:43:27.180 reasons why you shouldn't do that. But if I tell you to come up with a list of a hundred,

00:43:32.280 you're going to start qualifying things because probably you can't think of a hundred right offhand.

00:43:37.500 You might be able to think of five, but not a hundred. Now you're going to be like really

00:43:42.060 scrambling. Okay, well I can do this and maybe this and this. So you're qualifying instead of

00:43:46.480 disqualifying. We'll get to the disqualifying later, but just start writing those things down.

00:43:51.240 And then what you're going to notice is you're probably going to notice some trends within those

00:43:54.480 list of a hundred things. And if there's some trends, some similar ideas, concepts, trades,

00:44:01.140 industry sectors, that's where you start narrowing it down and thinking, okay, well maybe,

00:44:05.620 maybe I'm onto something right here. Maybe being with people really, really appeals to me or,

00:44:12.420 or being artistic or creative really appeals to me. And then you start taking the one little step

00:44:20.840 followed by another one. And you might realize, I like this. I'm going to keep going down this,

00:44:24.880 this rabbit hole. Or you might say, eh, not really interested. And then you just back up and you take

00:44:30.460 another step in another direction. This is how it works. Not like a two hour movie where everything

00:44:34.900 just works out perfectly the way it's supposed to. If you don't mind me clarifying more of a

00:44:39.900 question, Ryan, is you go through this process and you find something. I'm assuming you would

00:44:46.860 suggest that that's not even the final. That's temporary. That's an experience for a period of

00:44:52.800 time. And then that may even pivot, right? It's really interesting how we, I'm not, I can't remember

00:44:59.780 the term that you use, but we finalize everything. We even finalize people like, you know, you and I

00:45:05.340 could have an argument today about a particular subject and I could take your stance and then go,

00:45:10.040 okay, that's Ryan period. Like that there's no growth that that's not going to maybe evolve or

00:45:16.740 change for you tomorrow. Right? Like we do it to almost everything to ourselves. We think that we're,

00:45:21.380 this is the thing or when a person acts a certain way that that they're finalized in that way of

00:45:27.600 being versus just experience and evolution and pivoting and just, it's, it's just like an ongoing

00:45:33.740 experience of change. Yeah. Because what do we say when a person changes their thought process or job

00:45:41.540 or what we call, we call them flaky. We say it's their, their wishy-washy or their, they, they,

00:45:48.760 they flip-flop and maybe, you know, maybe, but maybe they're just evolving. If I don't say

00:45:56.100 different things, you should. Yeah. Right. If I don't, people will say, Ryan, you've changed. Yes,

00:46:00.760 I have changed. Thank you for noticing. And if in five years, my message hasn't evolved,

00:46:08.700 I would question, I like question myself, but I would question somebody I follow.

00:46:15.000 Like if they haven't evolved, evolved in their level of thinking and be like,

00:46:18.180 like this guy's just kind of resting on his laurel. He's not really growing. He's not expanding.

00:46:21.700 He's not getting better, improving himself. There's people that I follow that I think, man,

00:46:26.020 you know, five, this guy's unrecognizable from what he was five years ago. And that's,

00:46:30.420 I actually admire that. I respect that. Not, I don't call him wishy-washy. Yeah. I say,

00:46:35.200 this is a guy who's evolved and grown, you know, and, and look at this, you know,

00:46:38.560 behind me, for example, like, you know, I've got this, this Sorenex kettlebell and I've got some

00:46:43.400 woodworking tools there. I've got a baseball glove. I've got like some things where I've spoken.

00:46:48.000 I've got Spartan races. I've got one of the animals that I hunted. Like I've got a lot of

00:46:53.040 different things here and, and I don't have it there. It's actually downstairs, but there's my

00:46:57.060 guitar stand. Like I have a lot of different things behind me and all of these things are things that

00:47:03.260 I've tried and enjoyed to some degree, some more than others, right? Some were just like Spartan

00:47:10.580 race. I haven't done a Spartan race for two years, maybe even three. And, and will I do another one?

00:47:16.140 Maybe, but like that was a time for me, right? Now it's different. Now I'm doing more strength

00:47:20.800 training and jujitsu. And that's a thing for me. And will I be doing that in three years?

00:47:25.160 As far as I know, but maybe something else comes along and that I'm interested in. And I,

00:47:30.160 and I will explore that. I owe it to myself to explore it. People ask, Ryan, how'd you get into

00:47:34.920 hunting? I had a buddy who said, Hey man, I've got property down here. One of my friends wants us to

00:47:39.500 help take a couple of deer that shouldn't be on his property. And that's it, right? One of the deer

00:47:45.180 right there. And do you want to come down and hunt? And I said, I don't, I've never been hunting.

00:47:49.760 He's like, I know that's why I want you to go. Yeah. That's a very insightful thought on his part.

00:47:56.000 Like, Oh, okay. Well, I don't know what, like, I don't know what boat to get in this. And he's

00:48:00.280 like, you just, here's what you need. And I just said, yes. Right. And it's taken me down a path

00:48:04.880 that I've really enjoyed. So just take a step, short answer. Just take a step. If it sounds

00:48:13.080 interesting, take a step. That's it. Yeah. I like it. John Gilliland, when thinking of

00:48:19.560 successful men, Andy Frizzella, Teddy Roosevelt, Alexander the Great, and you, Ryan, how do these

00:48:25.820 types of men lead? That's a good list to be with. How do these types of men lead themselves? We men

00:48:32.880 need organizations such as the IC to provide a success structure. Hashtag slain dragons, hashtag

00:48:39.080 gamma. Did he say, what was the last part of it? Do we need a structure? Is that what he said?

00:48:44.860 Well, it's kind of a statement, right? How do these type of men lead themselves? And then

00:48:49.520 the statement really was, we men need organizations such as the IC to provide a success

00:48:53.860 structure. Maybe really, like, did Andy and Teddy and Alexander the Great have a structure

00:48:59.900 like we do in the Iron Council? And if they didn't, like, how do they lead themselves when

00:49:05.380 there is not maybe that structure in place? I don't mean to add meaning to John's question

00:49:09.140 here, but I think that's what he's saying. Yeah. Well, I do know that the successful men

00:49:13.240 that I know they can lead themselves, they're disciplined, and I'm going to share one virtue,

00:49:19.500 I think, kind of encapsulates what it means to be, to have self-leadership. I'll explain

00:49:24.740 that in a minute. But I also think, again, every successful individual that I personally

00:49:30.540 know, hires mentors, hires coaches, invests in courses and conferences and hire learning

00:49:37.620 and educate every single one I know. Yeah. They're investing in themselves tremendously.

00:49:43.200 And if they're, and if they're not, like, I've, I've never met a successful individual

00:49:47.920 who has not invested in a coach or a resource and courses and probably all of it to the tune

00:49:54.760 of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. So yes, we do need a tractor run.

00:50:01.320 It's always interesting when I hear men say, and they usually comment back and they're being

00:50:06.480 like a little snippy about it. They're like, real men don't need men to teach them how to be men.

00:50:10.960 Wrong. That's like the exact opposite of the truth. The truth is that we all need people to emulate

00:50:18.240 myself, yourself included, all of us need people to emulate people who are further down the track.

00:50:24.100 And it isn't like this one mentor, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, who walks you through everything. It's like,

00:50:30.320 you know, sometimes I just need to learn how to like build more strength.

00:50:33.800 So I don't hire a life coach. I hired Josiah Novak to help me with like the strength component.

00:50:40.720 Right. And then I want to get good at jujitsu. So like, I don't hire a life coach,

00:50:45.080 a going and train with people who know jujitsu. I want to get good at the guitar. Like what's a life

00:50:51.880 coach going to tell me about the guitar or like a, a one all knowing mentor. I just get an app

00:50:58.260 on the app store and I just work through it. So you compartmentalize those and find the people

00:51:05.040 that you need and the resources you need to do it. So all the great people, they all have that in

00:51:08.860 common. Now, let me go back to the leadership thing or the self-leadership thing. There's one

00:51:13.420 word and one virtue that it represents that encapsulates self-leadership. It's integrity.

00:51:19.100 It's integrity. It's not discipline. It's integrity. Integrity means that you do what you

00:51:28.260 know you should be doing. That's it. So if you know, you need to wake up at five o'clock this

00:51:37.000 morning to get all your things done, to work out, to plan your day, to get into the off and that,

00:51:40.460 and that's what you want to do. And you don't do it. You're out of integrity. You're not necessarily

00:51:45.520 out of discipline. You're out of integrity. Self-leadership is an integrity issue. If you

00:51:52.100 were in integrity and you could effectively lead yourself, then you would be fully in integrity.

00:51:57.320 Meaning that if you think about the things that you should be doing and you recognize it as something

00:52:01.840 you want to be doing, then you do it only because you committed to doing it. That is integrity.

00:52:10.240 And that's what all of us need to work on. I don't have this mastered. Some days I sleep in,

00:52:14.740 some days I eat more chips and salsa than I, than I should, or that I'd like to.

00:52:19.600 Some days, you know, I, I'm not as committed to work or I don't put in the work that I need to,

00:52:23.740 when I'm here at the, you know, the office, I'm trying to bridge that gap. I'm trying to be

00:52:29.260 in integrity. So what men need is not self-leadership. Let's dig deeper. What you need is to be in

00:52:37.040 integrity. Now you can create all sorts of systems and processes and accountability and all of these

00:52:42.460 other things. And you should, but that's foundational level is, are you a man of integrity or not?

00:52:49.900 And it's as black and white as that. I like that. All right. Joseph, uh,

00:52:58.480 Keedon, this may be a question for the martial arts channel, but I was wondering if you could speak on

00:53:04.180 the difference between traditional jujitsu and Brazilian jujitsu. It seems like people use the

00:53:08.620 terms interchangeably and can never tell which, uh, which they mean. I can't speak on that. I would,

00:53:15.720 I would argue to say that 99.9% of what people practice currently is Brazilian jujitsu, even if

00:53:24.420 they say jujitsu. Yeah. But maybe you can elaborate on that Kip. I can't, I don't know enough.

00:53:30.660 Yeah. So the, the history is actually jujitsu is a origin of judo, uh, from the judo con.

00:53:39.400 So there's a lot of throwing and stuff involved in both, in both, in both. Yeah. And there's a

00:53:45.060 major shift in judo actually, as it became an Olympic sport where they got, they purposely like

00:53:50.100 changed the martial art to make it more quote unquote entertaining and removing a lot of the

00:53:55.520 ground side. You'll see guys sometimes in jujitsu or in judo tournaments, well, they'll do a throw

00:54:00.520 and then they immediately like do an arm bar. Arm bars are big, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the

00:54:05.840 correlation between judo and, well, let's just say it this way. Traditional judo is traditional

00:54:12.200 jujitsu and then it evolved, uh, into jujitsu. In fact, even in the early stages of, of the judo con,

00:54:20.300 it wasn't even called judo, right? Like it was actually called jujitsu. So what do you mean judo con?

00:54:26.620 I don't understand what you're saying. So yeah. So judo con is what jujitsu, what is

00:54:31.940 what judo originated out of jujitsu. And it was actually like a schooling within Japan that

00:54:38.620 formulated judo. But before that it was jujitsu. Like if I remember correctly, jujitsu is like a

00:54:45.940 general term. So, and it is a general term of like, uh, I can't remember the, I'm going to

00:54:51.860 slaughter it. So I can't remember, but it's a general term. It's not like a martial art. It's like,

00:54:56.620 you know, it's like fighting or, you know what I mean? Something real generic. And so,

00:55:01.440 and then all these little practices diverged from exactly. And including, so, so jujitsu was brought

00:55:06.780 to Brazil and then the Gracie's started to work with and revolutionize it. And then they brought

00:55:14.060 it from Brazil to the States. Yeah. And then they call it Brazilian jujitsu, but its origin is still

00:55:20.100 jujitsu. Right. Right. Right. So just leverage the ground game using. Yeah, I get it. Okay. Makes

00:55:27.640 sense. Yeah. Like, like Kimura, right? Like that's named after a guy in Japan, right? Like that even

00:55:33.480 Helio fought back in the day, right? It's like, you know, Helio didn't come up with the, with the

00:55:38.640 Kimura, right? Like it's actually named after a Japanese dude that, that used it. Right. So, so he,

00:55:44.740 he evolved it a little bit, added technique to it. And what's great about it is that's what we do

00:55:49.940 today. Like, that's one of the most amazing things about jujitsu is like, you know how much it's

00:55:55.860 changed since I started? Like half of these things didn't even exist. Like literally, like they did not

00:56:01.440 exist and they continue to like evolve and, and there's just new strategies and approaches. And then

00:56:08.780 the sport of jujitsu even like takes it a whole other step, you know, in another direction, which

00:56:14.980 some traditional like self-defense guys may say there's some negative, you know, aspects to the

00:56:20.480 sport of jujitsu because, you know, we may not be me, uh, managing distance as much because we're not

00:56:26.520 thinking about strikes and the traditional. Yeah. But that's so, but what people need to understand

00:56:31.160 about that is it's two different things. When I, when I talk about, for example, when you talk about

00:56:38.160 training jujitsu, most of the time you're talking about sport jujitsu, most of the time you're not

00:56:45.560 by default talking and you're not by default talking about self-defense. Now I know a lot of

00:56:50.300 jujitsu studios do more of a self-defense type jujitsu, which is, it's different, right? There's the art

00:56:58.020 and the competition side of things and competition, by the way, competitions have rules that we both

00:57:04.060 agree to you. But a street fight doesn't have rules. If I get into an altercation, I'm going to

00:57:08.780 kick a dude in the nuts and I'm going to poke him in the eyeballs and I'm going to do whatever I can

00:57:13.280 to make sure I keep myself safe. Now I'm not going to do that in a competition because there's rules,

00:57:18.420 but in a street fight, there's no rules on the street. Yeah. Like you survive, right? So I,

00:57:24.340 I actually get frustrated and people are in a real thing. It wouldn't, it's not, it's not designed to

00:57:29.280 do that. Now, is there some crossover? Of course, knowing how to use your body, knowing how to

00:57:34.560 leverage, of course, there's crossover. That's going to help you be more effective in an actual

00:57:39.100 fight. But if you want to train for a fight, you'll incorporate elements of jujitsu, elements

00:57:45.080 of striking, elements of distance management, elements of, uh, situational awareness, disengagement,

00:57:52.840 distance management, things that you don't necessarily address how to shoot a firearm. You wouldn't

00:57:58.900 learn how to shoot a firearm if all you were doing is jujitsu. So it's not like you need to pick one

00:58:04.000 or the other. Like jujitsu is part of a self-defense strategy, not the self-defense strategy.

00:58:12.040 Totally. And what's great about it too, is like, and you'll see guys adjust their game. Like I know

00:58:16.860 guys that, that purposely manage, uh, distance when they're training, even in the gi with other guys

00:58:23.860 that are maybe more competitive because that's their style. Like they're like, I purposely,

00:58:28.720 like when I train, I am thinking about strikes, like, cause I want to evolve that aspect of my

00:58:33.600 jujitsu probably more than maybe the sports side. Right. And I may not do like, I don't know,

00:58:38.120 like X guard or certain types of guards that maybe in a fight I'd, I'd get, you know, some ground and

00:58:43.940 pound strikes in the face or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So, so you'll see guys, but what's great

00:58:48.740 about the sports side of jujitsu is the game that we're playing is, is a, is a chess game and it gets

00:58:55.320 more and more complicated when you, when you remove the self-defense side of it, right? Like

00:59:01.220 the self-defense side of it, I think is very simplistic, right? You're managing distance,

00:59:05.820 you're, you're avoiding strikes and then, and it kind of stops there, but like you throw a gi on,

00:59:10.740 it's like, okay, I can choke you with this corner and I can, I can do this. And, and, and then now all

00:59:15.140 of a sudden like the possibilities and the avenues and the variations start just going crazy off the hook

00:59:21.320 where maybe you want to do like half of those if strikes were being involved. And so maybe it's

00:59:27.340 not as pure. Yeah. But I saw a, um, actually I would say it's more pure. It's more pure because

00:59:36.380 there's rules and there's things you're trying to figure out. A street fight is just raw and anything

00:59:42.360 goes. It's less pure. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't, you don't get the complexity with the street

00:59:47.780 fight, right? Like by sports jujitsu, there's this huge heightened complexity of baiting and,

00:59:55.400 and technique. Which I think is good. Highlights your technique. I saw this video. This was years

01:00:02.920 ago. It was on a security camera and a couple of guys got into an altercation and one of them

01:00:09.160 obviously knew jujitsu and he took the guy down, he arm barred him. And then the guy who was in the

01:00:16.520 arm bar grabbed his knife, right? Cause his arms locked up, grabbed his knife and stabbed him like

01:00:21.320 half a dozen times in the chest. Yeah. It's like, dude, like, look, it's easy to be an armchair

01:00:27.880 quarterback, but like, I don't know if I'm going to be throwing an arm bar on a guy that I'm street

01:00:32.360 fighting with. If I'm going to try to choke him out really quickly, or I'm going to try to like

01:00:37.400 push them down or get some distance and like, get out of there, grab my firearm, whatever I need to do.

01:00:44.260 Like, I'm not going to be working on leg locks on a guy on a street fight. Like I'm going to try to

01:00:50.340 get around his back, choke the shit out of him and then disengage as quickly as I possibly can.

01:00:56.140 Yeah. And hopefully not even get to the point where I can choke him. Hopefully manage the distance.

01:01:00.700 Like, Hey man, like I don't even want this. Yeah, totally. And some of it's just, we don't think,

01:01:06.780 I mean, sometimes it's, well, we talk about all the time, right? You, you do, you, you know,

01:01:11.420 you go to the level of your training fight like you train. Yes. And so if we, if we don't create

01:01:16.380 those situations where we think through this, then you know, you might think, Oh man, I'm really

01:01:21.640 great at arm bars. I'm going to arm bar, but like what happens after you let him go? Like he's not

01:01:26.640 going to go, Oh, you caught me. My bad. You know, like we're done. Yeah. No, like he may even tap

01:01:31.720 and you may let go. And then he's just going to get up and keep fighting. Like you got to resolve the

01:01:35.840 solution. And that's the beauty of chokes, right? Is they go to the Island and all of a sudden

01:01:40.660 they're just kind of chill. Is that how that works? I don't know anything about that. It's this

01:01:44.600 magical Island they go to. It's a beautiful place. It's very blissful. And they feel like more kind

01:01:52.040 when they wake up, they're just like, Oh, Hey, were we fighting? Sorry. They're all docile. And yeah,

01:01:56.920 it's nice. All right. Do we have any more questions or how are we doing? We have like too many

01:02:00.900 questions. You guys are throwing all right. Let's take a couple more and then wrap things up for today.

01:02:04.660 Daniel Madison. How do men celebrate wins in a healthy way? It's interesting. Yeah. I like this.

01:02:12.920 I like it. You, you honor the work that you did. I would say that you honor the work more than the

01:02:20.520 win. That's one thing I've thought about even with like the experience, the experience, what created

01:02:26.580 the win. Honor what created the win. The win itself is like, it's out of your hand product. Yeah.

01:02:32.320 Right. Just that happens. Cause you did the work and you lose because you didn't do the work or you

01:02:36.480 did it incorrectly. That's like when you strip everything else away. So I think a healthy way

01:02:42.440 to approach and celebrate, celebrate victories is not celebrate the victory, but celebrate the effort

01:02:48.720 that went towards creating the victory. And why, why, why should you do that? Because you're honoring the

01:02:54.380 thing that produced it. Therefore you're more likely to continue to do the thing. Cause look,

01:02:59.240 what good does it do to celebrate winning the lottery? That was, you just pick some random

01:03:05.240 numbers. Like you didn't do anything. Yeah. Right. Like you didn't do it. Look, would you be

01:03:09.860 excited? Sure. Would you celebrate it? No. Cause like you didn't do anything. You spent a couple of

01:03:15.380 bucks down at the gas station, picked up a lottery ticket and it worked out and it's cool. Like it's

01:03:19.920 great, but you wouldn't celebrate that the same way that you would celebrate a promotion or getting

01:03:26.080 married or having a child or starting the business or growing it X percent. So celebrate what,

01:03:34.360 what you can't. The other thing, just don't gloat in it. Right. One of my coaches, Matt Labrum, he,

01:03:40.900 he, I remember him saying vividly cause somebody on the team was celebrating. And I remember vividly,

01:03:46.140 he would say, winning is enough. Winning is enough.

01:03:50.720 You need to do all this other stuff. Yeah. You don't. The win is enough. Let the win speak for

01:03:54.940 itself. You don't need to celebrate. You don't need to gloat. You don't need to bask in it.

01:03:58.420 And then he also said this, act like you've done it before and act like you're going to do it again.

01:04:05.440 I see these guys celebrate and I'm like, what have you never won before? Yeah. Like,

01:04:10.900 have you never experienced this before you loser? Like, are you never going to experience it again?

01:04:16.200 So, you know, take some pride in the fact that you completed what you wanted to complete.

01:04:20.880 Think about what got you to that point and then go to work. Yeah. Go back to work. What's next?

01:04:28.060 I'm a perfect example of this is, and this is a rarity because it doesn't happen very often,

01:04:32.360 but, uh, getting my, my teenage boys put in a full solid day of hard work. And I remember once,

01:04:40.420 uh, Kiyabe, he was, you know, we got done working and he goes, man, that felt good.

01:04:46.240 Right. Like that felt great. And I'm like, and here's the key. It feels great. Not because

01:04:51.840 the yard is perfect or it's in a really great place. It feels good because what we had to do

01:04:58.360 to get there. Right. You did. That's what, that's what feels good. Looking at the yard doesn't make

01:05:02.940 you like someone else could have done the yard and would have gotten in the backyard and you're like,

01:05:06.240 eh, right. But the fact that you did it, that's why, that's why that feels good.

01:05:11.780 Yeah. The yard is just a representation of the work that you did. It's the same thing I was

01:05:15.500 talking about earlier when I see the things behind me, dude, that I could buy that at the

01:05:19.520 store. Like I can find a merchandise company and I could say, Hey, I just want this like green band

01:05:24.960 with this metal thing on the end of it. And you know, I could pay 20 bucks or whatever and have

01:05:29.180 that. Yeah. And that would have, all of you guys might be impressed, right? You might be like, Ooh,

01:05:33.000 look at that. Ooh, that's cool. But I would know that I didn't do anything to earn that. Right. This

01:05:39.480 is, it's not about the metal. It's a representation of the effort and the work and the progress and the

01:05:44.420 growth and the pride. And it's okay to have that by the way, same thing with this. People say, Oh,

01:05:49.000 trophy hunter. If you want to call it a trophy or whatever, and be upset about it's a representation

01:05:54.520 of the work that it is something that I wasn't previously capable of. And now I'm capable of it.

01:05:58.880 And there it is. There's a manifestation of it. It's just a representation of the work and the effort

01:06:03.060 that went behind it, which is okay. By the way, you should celebrate those things. Yeah. Justin King,

01:06:08.160 I'm struggling to clarify my vision. I'm actually amazed at how little understanding I have of what

01:06:13.740 true, what I truly want. I want more income, but how a family, but do I, uh, but do I want to lead

01:06:21.460 them, et cetera? What are some strategies and tips to help me clarify my vision in order to take

01:06:26.700 meaningful action towards it? Well, you're more talking about objectives and tactics,

01:06:32.980 right? I want to make more money is not vision. It's an objective. And by the way, with all due

01:06:38.560 respect, it's a weak objective because what does that mean? So does that mean if you earned a dollar

01:06:43.580 more this year than last year that you'd, you'd be happy? Of course you wouldn't, right? How much more

01:06:49.160 money do you want to make? And what, what is the experience that you're hoping to have because

01:06:53.000 you have the money? That's the vision, right? What will the money create? So the, there's nothing

01:06:58.760 wrong with wanting to make more money. That's fine. It's just not a vision. But if you said,

01:07:03.700 because I want to travel the world and I want to experience different cultures and I want to like

01:07:09.620 gain this perspective that I've never considered before. And I want to be a well-rounded man who's

01:07:14.420 introduced to lots of cultures and thoughts and ideas. Now we're getting into the more of the

01:07:19.500 vision component of it, as opposed to the objective. The objective is just what makes the vision a

01:07:24.200 reality. Yeah. Like I want to be, I want to be, for example, like I want to be a committed,

01:07:31.380 engaged, loving father who's deeply connected with his children, whose children are deeply bonded with him,

01:07:38.040 who is extremely influential in the lives of his kids. And when they think about all of the

01:07:42.780 difficulties and challenges and things that they'll face throughout their life, they'll remember

01:07:47.700 and ask themselves, what would dad do in this situation? And I want to be able to, to, to take

01:07:54.540 pride in that. So that's my vision, which means that this year I have to coach my son's baseball team.

01:08:01.480 That's the objective, right? If I coach my son's baseball team, that will drive me closer to being

01:08:08.000 connected and being bonded and all of those other visions that I have about the relationship

01:08:12.440 between me and my children. And then the tactic is we practice every day for 30 minutes or for an

01:08:18.060 hour, every single day, we go take batting practice. We play catch all the things that's

01:08:24.280 the tactic, which leads to the objective, which then drives the mission forward or the, excuse me,

01:08:29.520 the vision forward. And I think for Justin, I, I think you might be struggling with getting clear

01:08:35.560 objective because you don't have a clear vision. When you get the clear vision, the objective is like,

01:08:40.500 okay, well now what do I need to do to be able to accomplish that? And that starts getting a lot

01:08:44.240 easier. Right. Yeah. I would say journaling is a very good practice to help. And some people will

01:08:50.380 say, well, what do you journal? Anything and everything. When I journal, I write down and I

01:08:56.760 have two journals. I have like a, like a personal journal and a business journal. And I write both

01:09:01.300 from the perspective of speaking of younger self that my younger self would want to read this

01:09:08.900 and be better for it. And not only my younger self, but my children. Yeah. So in 20 years,

01:09:14.540 my kids will look at it and say, whoa, that's a lesson that dad learned. And here's how he learned

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How to Lead Yourself Well, The Origins of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and the Necessity of Innovation ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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