Order of Man - June 30, 2021


How to Stay Vigilant, Keeping Your Ego In Check, and Accepting the Uncontrollable ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING


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57 minutes

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167.50015

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9,624

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622

Misogynist Sentences

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Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who
00:00:17.240 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
00:00:22.380 you can call yourself a man. Welcome to another episode of the Order of Man podcast.
00:00:30.000 This is the Ask Me Anything. I'll be your host today, Kip Sorensen. I'll be running solo
00:00:36.320 as Mr. Mickler is on holiday with his family. Wait, wait. I mean vacation. I actually posted
00:00:45.240 questions for today's episode on our Facebook group at facebook.com slash group slash Order
00:00:50.720 of Man. And of course, I got the backlash of why would I use the word holiday? I think I
00:00:58.520 got crap from Bubba Downs, Chris Gatchko, Christopher French. All these guys are just giving me grief
00:01:04.880 about saying the word holiday. And I know they're mostly joking, but they might be curious. So
00:01:12.020 I lived in New York a few years back. And when I was living there, I had a consulting business and I did
00:01:20.760 a lot of international consulting work. And whether good or bad, I picked up on the use of holiday for
00:01:29.600 PTO or for vacation. And it just kind of has stuck with me since. So my apologies, guys. I am fully
00:01:37.720 aware that I am an American and then that us Americans use the word holiday. So, or I mean,
00:01:44.280 geez, I mean, you see, I'm even messing it up. I mean, vacation. So my apologies, Bubba. Thanks for
00:01:50.020 giving me the razz. Anyhow, like I mentioned, ask me anything. We have some questions. We're
00:01:55.340 fielding from the Facebook group to join us. Facebook.com slash group slash Order of Man.
00:02:01.140 We'll jump right into these. There's some really great questions today. I'll do my best and we'll
00:02:06.460 get into these. And I think that, I don't know, I think we'll be all edified and uplifted and not
00:02:13.280 necessarily by my responses, but at least the dialogue or the thought provoking ideas that
00:02:19.480 might come out of this episode. Um, and I would challenge each of you guys, how would you answer
00:02:24.880 this question or what would you add to it and why is it important? So, uh, band with us on Facebook,
00:02:31.520 uh, and whatnot. Of course I got my order man swag on. I got my new shirt from Brecken, um, from the
00:02:38.500 store. You can get your swag as well by going to store.orderofman.com for that stuff. All right,
00:02:46.000 let's hop into it. So Steven Zeller, what has, uh, what has the work with Ryan and order man done
00:02:53.640 with you or for you personally and professionally? So first off I joined the ICGs. It's been a while.
00:03:04.280 So I, I, I joined the Facebook group. I thought it was just a bunch of noisy guys complaining,
00:03:09.460 uh, found out there was a podcast, started listening to the podcast, was immediately on
00:03:14.880 board in regards to the movement that Ryan had created and wanted a band with him. So I joined
00:03:21.060 the iron council. Um, I joined team alpha. Uh, my team lead was drew and it wasn't long. Uh,
00:03:29.960 Drew could probably clarify, but it wasn't long for me to say, Hey, Drew, uh, I want more. What,
00:03:35.400 what can I do to, to serve, uh, and to provide more value to what's going on here. And it wasn't
00:03:41.420 shortly thereafter, uh, that I became a team lead, um, over battle team echo and it has been awesome.
00:03:50.680 And that was years ago. And, and so what has it done for me personally? So banding with other guys,
00:03:56.360 we ended up having conversations that we probably wouldn't have had normally. Um, we have monthly
00:04:02.600 topics within the iron council discussions end up coming up and, and it really caused me to maybe
00:04:08.280 consider things that I've never considered before. Um, that are just valuable, uh, the importance of
00:04:14.600 balance in, in regards to what we're working on. Uh, one of the things that we deal on our battle plans
00:04:19.420 is, is there's four quadrants we constantly work on and you don't neglect the other three because one
00:04:25.800 of them seems more important right now that there's, there's critical mass around the balance
00:04:32.080 of all those areas of your life at all times. And so that helped me personally in my personal growth
00:04:37.900 becoming a team lead was huge. I found situations within, uh, the iron council as a team lead that
00:04:47.960 showed up in the iron council before they showed up at work. And so I was able to mitigate those same
00:04:53.880 risks in the workplace by learning on how to address it within the iron council. One of the
00:05:00.500 things I tell team leads often is the world shows up in the iron council. And, and sometimes we have
00:05:06.600 to remind ourselves to not make it bad. Like, Oh man, I got this guy on my team. Uh, he's not
00:05:12.100 motivated. He's not doing his thing. And we might have a tendency to go like that something's wrong with
00:05:16.960 that versus, okay, awesome opportunity for me to figure out how do I help a guy level up? That's
00:05:24.400 not self-motivated or self-directed. Maybe I should kick him off our team. Maybe he brings us down. Is
00:05:32.040 that good? Is that bad? Like the world will show up and, and the iron council ends up becoming a great
00:05:38.460 environment where the stakes are a little bit lower and we could figure things out and make sure that
00:05:45.460 we're aligned and we show up better, you know, maybe in our workplace or at our homes or within
00:05:50.280 our communities, because we learned how to deal with that, uh, within the iron council. And so
00:05:55.160 a lot of leadership stuff has shown up for me as a team lead. A lot of the dichotomies, uh, of
00:06:02.240 leadership that Jocko talks about has shown up in the IC before they ever showed up at work. And so I was
00:06:07.220 able to address those things ahead of time. Um, the other thing that, that I'd probably say is I found
00:06:13.580 some passion, um, in the work that we do, um, in the iron council that I never realized was a passion
00:06:22.400 of mine. Uh, and it has not just allowed me to level up better at work, but opportunities have
00:06:30.480 now presented themselves in my work because of my interest and the voice I found for myself within the
00:06:39.340 IC. So it's, it's really interesting how things have kind of evolved and opportunities have presented
00:06:45.740 themselves based upon, uh, what I've helped Ryan do, um, with order of man. The, the last thing that
00:06:53.220 has given me is some, an additional purpose and meaning. I think what we do here is critical. I think
00:07:00.980 the conversations we have is critical. Uh, it's not just like a feel good, like, Oh, this is a great
00:07:06.220 conversation and it might help a few people. No, this is like a major, very big deal. I'm, I am fully
00:07:14.060 invested in what we're doing and, and just me have an opportunity to play my small part in this overall
00:07:21.180 movement and, and the opportunity to stand for other men has given me, uh, additional, uh, purpose and
00:07:29.440 meaning in life. And so it has been very impactful. Stephen, hopefully that, that, uh, addresses kind
00:07:37.360 of the question that you're asking. All right. Sean, uh, O'Hara long question here, but we'll get into
00:07:42.580 this while out in public with my family, wife and kids. It's our duty to protect them. Something I've
00:07:48.820 been thinking about is this, should you always walk so that they are behind you? Your back is to them.
00:07:55.600 Therefore you're unable to see anything that may happen, or do you find it okay on occasion to walk
00:08:01.520 behind them so that they are in your view? I know that staying vigilant is always the key, but the
00:08:07.440 fact is things can happen out of nowhere. And there are some advantages and disadvantages of both
00:08:12.580 positions. What are your thoughts? So Sean, you're obviously asking my thoughts. There's probably an
00:08:18.980 entire strategy around this that, that I'm not educated well enough to, to probably be the best
00:08:24.740 person to answer this question. Um, but I'll share my thoughts around this. So I typically walk behind
00:08:32.640 my family in public settings, unless there is a known danger in front. So I'll give you an example.
00:08:39.800 Um, I'd been snow camping with my boys, uh, and we've been in some areas where I was a little bit
00:08:45.300 nervous about avalanche for instance, uh, and the quality of the snow. And so in that example,
00:08:51.120 I'm going first. Um, but if I'm walking around the mall or in public settings, I'm actually
00:08:57.720 kind of corralling my children in front of me and I'm walking behind them. Um, I feel better at that
00:09:04.680 because the flank behind us is covered, but I'm also looking way far ahead of them. Um, so cause you
00:09:12.260 know, they're not paying attention. And so I think from that position, I have all my eyes,
00:09:17.860 you know what I mean? All my kids, I understand who's where, you know, if someone's falling behind
00:09:22.500 or not paying attention. So, you know, whether it's Disneyland or the amusement park here in Utah
00:09:28.620 or universal studios, usually those kids are, are kind of in front of me. Um, mostly because
00:09:34.780 the little brats will just go run off. If I walk in front of them, it's probably more so about
00:09:39.820 crawling my children than it is about protecting them. But, but ultimately I feel better behind them
00:09:44.800 and keeping my head up and looking further ahead and just kind of keeping them close and,
00:09:50.300 and staying behind them. So for what it's worth, Sean, but I'm, I'm sure there's many more, um,
00:09:58.820 what many more individuals that could probably answer that question more appropriately,
00:10:04.180 especially those in the military and whatnot. So, uh, really not my forte, unfortunately. So,
00:10:09.180 all right, Travis Perez Miller, how do you stop overthinking when everything is going good?
00:10:15.600 So Travis, I'm going to look into this question a little bit, right? Like what's the problem with
00:10:18.860 overthinking? I'm assuming there's a little bit of like overthinking as in negative connotation or,
00:10:25.080 um, just looking for the wrong and everything because you added everything is going good. So why
00:10:32.680 overthink it? Um, so for me, I think a lot of that comes down to gratitude and perspective.
00:10:39.420 Um, and, and I'll give you some strategies, but let, but let me just share something I, I had with
00:10:45.100 my kids the other day. So first off, it's obvious if it, Travis, if you haven't already figured it out
00:10:51.340 by listening to podcasts that Ryan and I aren't, aren't two spectrums. Um, he doesn't overthink at all
00:10:57.880 and he takes action and, and this is his words by the way. So I'm not being mean. Um, he'll,
00:11:02.800 he'll joke around about, he'll leave collateral damage in the wake of his action, right? He's
00:11:07.900 always an action first and then repair if there's any collateral damage on this, on the, on the backside.
00:11:14.920 Me, on the other hand, I won't take any action. I'll overthink. I want it planned perfectly and
00:11:21.560 et cetera. Now the drawback of my scenario is I may plan something so well. And then once I start
00:11:28.800 working on it, I didn't know what I didn't know. And all that planning was actually just a waste of
00:11:33.480 time. The other scenario is I overthink it and I never take action. So those are those obviously
00:11:39.820 oversights that I need to focus on and realize that you just don't know what you don't know until
00:11:44.320 you actually start taking some action and there's value and momentum in action. Uh, and you can have
00:11:50.760 the perfect plan and it almost use it as an excuse not to progress forward because of a, some other
00:11:56.220 fear, uh, of the unknown or, or whatnot. So there's obviously drawbacks to both. We need to always put
00:12:02.980 ourselves in check, but when everything's going good, I think overthinking for me often, uh, puts me in a
00:12:09.400 state of not appreciating what I have. And so thus my, my comment of gratitude and perspective is critical
00:12:16.900 here. We just had this conversation with our kids literally yesterday. We had a kind of church on
00:12:24.520 the beach and we were, we're talking with our kids about gratitude and, and I'll use an analogy and
00:12:33.200 hopefully my son doesn't mind me sharing, but, uh, my oldest son is, is going, is going blind. He's
00:12:39.600 legally blind already. Um, but he's losing his vision and, and it's, it's close to us as a family.
00:12:47.100 And so it's easier to relate to. That's why I use him as an example. But I told my girls, I'm like,
00:12:52.780 Hey, right now, Brendan only sees 5% of his vision, right? So he can't look at your eyes and your mouth
00:12:59.400 at this point, which means that when we look out on the lake and we see this beautiful sunrise or sunset,
00:13:05.280 he doesn't even get to grasp that whole thing, right? He, he doesn't get to appreciate the,
00:13:12.020 as much as some of the beauties that we get to appreciate. And I told the girls, do you think
00:13:17.940 if Brendan woke up tomorrow morning and he had his vision back, how do you think he would have woken up?
00:13:24.620 They're like, Oh, he'd be so happy. It'd be ecstatic. And he'd just be like, Oh my gosh,
00:13:29.340 like dad, I could see everything now. And he'd probably like the best day of his life.
00:13:35.280 But yet we all woke up this morning with all of our vision.
00:13:40.500 But we didn't wake up with the perspective of like, Oh my gosh, it's a wonderful day. I have my
00:13:45.100 hands and I got my legs and I got my vision, right? We don't wake up that way. Cause we're not,
00:13:51.020 we're not, we're taking for granted what we have. And so, um, so I told the girls like,
00:13:57.420 this is critical. We, we have to pause and we have to actually realize how grateful life is.
00:14:05.060 And, and one of the ways that I've done this in the past, I don't do it currently. Um, I probably
00:14:10.080 should, um, is maintain a gratitude journal. So I, I kind of struggled with journaling for,
00:14:16.260 for a long time. And so what I'd write is three things or, uh, two things that I'm grateful for.
00:14:22.120 And I wouldn't be done journaling until I identified what it was and I wrote about it and why
00:14:26.860 and expressed it. The other thing I think meditation does that for people having a kind of a morning
00:14:32.200 ritual, um, or even listing out what, what are you grateful for? And maybe rereading that on a regular
00:14:38.600 basis so we can kind of get centered. The other aspect of that is just perspective, right? I, I think
00:14:44.440 overthinking has a tendency to, to be focused in the moment. Um, and, and sometimes it's valuable to
00:14:51.400 sit back and like, look at the bigger picture and the bigger picture is not like the bigger picture
00:14:57.300 of how something's going to get done. Maybe the bigger picture is that my garage being perfectly
00:15:01.140 organized is not as critical as I make it out to be that in the grand scheme of things in,
00:15:06.480 and you know, that I got five more summers left with my parents probably, right? Maybe that's
00:15:11.840 perspective I need to be focused on or the perspective or the value of experience over
00:15:17.540 organization or, you know, worldly, worldly things. So I would just really focus, um, look for those
00:15:24.860 opportunities to have the proper perspective, more of an eternal perspective, uh, and focus on your
00:15:31.860 gratitude. The other thing is keep in mind too, that the world is, is set up, um, to get you to
00:15:39.940 overthink that, that life's not good enough, that you're not good enough, that, uh, you need the
00:15:45.500 boat, you need the new shoes, you need the clothes, you need this, you need that. Like look at social
00:15:50.640 media. It's all about what you need to be doing, not what you're doing or not what you have. Uh,
00:15:55.940 one of the jokes I told the girls the other day is like, you know, how many YouTube ads have shown
00:16:01.260 up to you that says, Hey, be grateful for today. Life's wonderful. And God loves you. And you're
00:16:07.700 amazing. Have you ever read those ads? Like, have you ever gotten an ad like that on YouTube? No,
00:16:13.140 it's all, you know, you need this toy or he need this thing. And, and happiness is going to show up
00:16:18.000 for you if you do this, but you know, not in your current state. And so maybe look to eliminate the
00:16:23.080 noise a little bit and, and filter out some of that stuff. That's kind of pulling us away from what,
00:16:27.860 what ultimately is important. All right. Mickey Franks found out a six year old uncle of mine
00:16:36.300 who was single and didn't have any immediate family besides his siblings tried to commit
00:16:41.400 suicide fight by overdosing due to depression and loneliness. He'll be in a mental facility
00:16:47.500 for the next two weeks recovering. How can I, as a nephew who grew up hunting, fishing, working with
00:16:53.240 him, um, help him through this hard time. So Mikey, I, um, last night I was on my way home. Um,
00:17:03.660 and I was reading a book, maybe I should pull the book up in case you want to make reference to it.
00:17:09.120 In fact, let me just pull it up here. So the book, uh, Mikey that I was listening to was how to win
00:17:15.000 friends and influence people by Odell Carnegie. And this book I'm really liking, uh, within the, I think
00:17:26.820 the first or second chapter, they talk about how at the center of most people's fulfillment in life
00:17:33.540 is the feeling of being important that it's, it's the driver. It's, it's what, uh, gets people to do
00:17:41.060 their jobs. Well, it's what gives us self-esteem and purpose. Right. And I mentioned it even earlier.
00:17:47.160 It's like one of the things about being involved in the order of man movement is it's a fulfilling.
00:17:52.520 It gives me a sense of purpose and a mission. That's why I do it. Yeah. I'm not doing it from
00:17:58.840 like a financial perspective. Right. Um, and so I would actually look to that, you know, your uncle
00:18:09.120 obviously, uh, is in a position of loneliness, but maybe more so from a feeling of lack of purpose and
00:18:16.100 mission, uh, of importance in people's lives. Right. Maybe the people that he did get that from are no
00:18:22.100 longer around. And so, um, how could you help him? I would communicate with him, Mikey. I would focus
00:18:30.120 on letting him know how much you appreciate him that, you know, you growing up with him and going
00:18:35.760 hunting and fishing, what kind of impact that was in, in your life. Um, and, and just be there and let
00:18:43.420 him know, um, and help him if there is a way, help him find mission and purpose in what he's doing.
00:18:50.240 Um, I know that's a little bit harder. It's, it looks different for everybody and you, that's
00:18:55.200 something that they have to, they have to create for themselves, I think. Um, but him letting you,
00:19:00.840 letting him know of the role that he's played in your life and how that has impacted you. Um,
00:19:06.780 and maybe even making future plans, things that he can look into a look forward to doing with you when
00:19:14.160 he gets out. I think that would kind of give him some purpose to kind of stick around and,
00:19:19.920 and have some guidance and direction. So, um, you know, my apologies, you know, uh, this is a tough
00:19:27.720 time I'm sure for you and obviously for him and for you guys, his family, but I do think there's
00:19:33.160 something for you to do there. Um, and it's really around just communicating to him on the impact that
00:19:39.160 he's played in your life and maybe making future plans. So hopefully that helps. All right. Kyle
00:19:45.800 Carpenter, why males over overwhelmingly prefer a Saturday favorite brewery to getting outside in
00:19:54.000 nature. Don't get me wrong. Love a beer, but do hard things. Why the switch in society?
00:19:59.960 So why the switch? Because society's approach by default is the path of least resistance and
00:20:11.020 going to a brewery and drinking some beers is a hell of a lot easier than actually going on a hike.
00:20:18.360 Even though we all know that doing on going on the hike with a group of other men would be more
00:20:23.740 fulfilling. It's what's easy. So we do it all the time. It's the same reason why people don't work
00:20:29.460 out. It's the same reason why we don't push the extra rep. It's the same reason why we probably
00:20:34.380 don't excel in our businesses as much as we should, because we're taking the easier path.
00:20:42.120 You know, so why, you know, I don't know how else to answer that question. I think it's just path of
00:20:47.260 least resistance. Um, and you know, maybe, maybe Kyle, you need to level up man and say, Hey guys,
00:20:54.700 you know, I'm not down for the brewery, but I'm down for this instead, or maybe go for the hike
00:21:00.160 first, you know, and the reward, um, after the hike and, or a hard day something, um, is then going
00:21:07.700 to grab a drink. So I don't know. That's my take. All right. Next question. Jeffrey Young. I have two
00:21:17.120 teen boys who are on the autism spectrum. Uh, they sit in the house constantly playing video games.
00:21:24.360 When we send them outside, they just take the games outside. So, you know, Jeffrey, this is a
00:21:32.040 tough call, man. So for all the like disclosure here, I I'm in the camp where I hate the, I hate
00:21:41.400 so many labels, you know, so, and, and, and almost to a fault, I'm sure like what I'm about to say
00:21:47.420 might piss some people off. And, and I, and without a doubt, I'm probably wrong, but most people, I
00:21:54.120 think latch on to like, Oh, my kid's autistic or they have ADHD. And we almost use that as an excuse.
00:22:01.420 And I think a lot of people, a lot of kids aren't right. Or autism, you know, is just a label that
00:22:08.780 like people grow into. And that's a whole other subject, right? So obviously you're, and I'm not
00:22:13.880 Jeff, I don't know. Right. But make sure that you're not doing that. Cause I think we should
00:22:18.600 always put ourselves in check and say, Oh, wait, hold on a second. Like, am I, am I raising my kid
00:22:22.940 into this spectrum right now that I have a label for him? And I actually like, you know, are justifying
00:22:29.120 maybe them playing video games or them acting a certain way more often because they're in the
00:22:33.740 spectrum. Right. So just put yourself in check a little bit, make sure that we're not doing that.
00:22:37.580 Um, so a few thoughts, number one, for those watching YouTube, uh, Jeff, you got to read this
00:22:49.300 book, the boy crisis by Warren Farrell. Um, in fact, I would argue any, anyone that has a son
00:22:57.440 should read this book. Um, there's an entire book on ADHD in here that I, or an entire chapter,
00:23:03.980 I mean, solid content. Um, I dunno, I think it's critical. So one read that second, Jeff,
00:23:13.440 you may not, you may not be able to say like rip the games out of their hands and go, Oh,
00:23:18.880 go do this. Right. Cause then they're going to push back and go on and then they're going
00:23:23.300 to complain. What you may need to do is say, uh, Friday afternoon, I'm coming off work late
00:23:30.420 and we're spending the weekend camping and video games aren't coming. Like it might require you to
00:23:37.760 get on their playing field at their level and do whatever acts with them. Right. Especially if
00:23:44.680 they've been kind of really conditioned and like all they want to do is play video games all the time.
00:23:49.500 Like they may need you to create the art of the possible with them and make a raft in some lake
00:23:57.020 out in the middle of nowhere. They might need you to help build a dirt track for their BMX bikes
00:24:04.600 and you know, whatever, right? Like it might require you to be boots on the ground with them
00:24:11.840 to get them out of that habit of constantly just like playing video games. Um, and I think through
00:24:17.480 that process, you create kind of this art of the possible that like, Hey, this is fun and I don't
00:24:23.340 need my video games. Right. And, um, so I'd really focus on that. I think far too often, and I'm kind
00:24:30.100 of projecting this on you, but I've seen this too often is where parents are like, Oh, they won't,
00:24:35.100 they won't, but we're not doing it. But we expect our kids to do it because we told them to. So, um,
00:24:42.220 you know, sometimes we, we got it, we got to show by example. Uh, and it's tough cause you may
00:24:47.340 not have the time to do that, you know? And, um, and trust me, I I'm the same way. Like I have a
00:24:52.880 tendency to demand things and yell at my kids to do a certain thing and not do it with them. But I
00:24:57.580 more almost all the time, whenever I choose to stop doing what I'm doing and actually do it with them,
00:25:03.440 it usually goes a hundred percent better. So, uh, Jeffrey, hopefully, hopefully that's beneficial.
00:25:09.280 All right. Eric Kovach, you and Ryan, various others have often talked about one's ego being a
00:25:16.460 problem in people's lives. What are some steps that could be implemented to put one's ego in check?
00:25:24.740 All right. So let's, um, why? Well, first off I would get present on what is your quote unquote
00:25:33.320 ego getting in the way of what is it preventing you from doing? I think that allows us to reverse
00:25:39.020 engineer it and kind of see how the impact of it. If you're not obvious, if it's not clear
00:25:44.700 why an ego is negative, then you're not going to get on board with anything that I have to say.
00:25:49.380 So you got to realize the impact and why it's a big deal. Now, let me just generalize. Typically,
00:25:56.060 I think an unhealthy ego is an unhealthy belief in our importance, right? That I'm better than that.
00:26:03.720 I'm, I'm more than, you know, and a lot of it comes out from a little bit from like low self
00:26:10.180 esteem. So let me just use a jujitsu reference because the AMA wouldn't be the AMA unless I,
00:26:15.560 you know, of course talked about jujitsu. So if my ego is in play, then what happens is I sign up for
00:26:24.000 jujitsu. It's new to me and I go, I get my butt kicked and I eventually stopped going. Why?
00:26:30.300 Because it doesn't feel good to be inferior. It doesn't feel good for people to beat up on me.
00:26:35.420 It doesn't feel good to be a noob, to be the green guy that everyone just wells on. It doesn't
00:26:41.580 feel good. It feel much better for me to have this false sense of importance that I can go around and
00:26:48.060 defend myself and kick people's butt without really testing it and knowing if that's the case.
00:26:52.880 So I don't go because it damages my ego. I have an argument with my wife. We're working through,
00:27:00.300 we're disagreeing. She's right. I'm wrong. I know it. I don't accept it. Why?
00:27:04.540 Why? Because it hurts my ego. And so I'm willing to be stubborn. I'm willing to ruin trust in a
00:27:12.000 relationship with someone else because it doesn't feel good to be wrong. So how do we put that in
00:27:19.300 check? Always try to be a student. Maintain your humility. You don't know anything and you shouldn't
00:27:29.140 like stop like walking around thinking that like you should be superior in certain ways. Like no
00:27:36.280 one's ever going to pick up a new hobby. No one's ever going to learn new things if they're not humble
00:27:40.780 enough to actually learn. But if when we approach something from the perspective of I should know
00:27:46.140 this and so I'm going to be like smoking mirrors, I'm not going to ask the questions I should probably
00:27:51.000 ask because I don't want to look dumb. I don't want to look like I don't know. Well,
00:27:54.800 then you're never going to learn. And so we need to be humble. Always try to be a student
00:28:00.540 and try not to prevent like through this process, you know, try not to like put yourself in a
00:28:09.700 position where you're not constantly learning and challenging yourself. And what's interesting about
00:28:14.460 this is this is what people do that have like massive egos, but people that are like experts in
00:28:22.460 their industries, people that have a lot of wisdom and knowledge will be the first people to admit
00:28:28.020 like, I don't know, right? Like there's a lot to this. Like, let me investigate. Let me look into
00:28:33.380 this more. One of the things that I really liked Tom Bilyeu, he started Quest Nutrition. He was on the
00:28:40.280 Order of Man podcast, I think numerous times in the past. One thing that he says that I've latched onto
00:28:46.700 was focus on finding the right answer and not being right. Like let go of trying to be right,
00:28:56.020 but be the person that will find the right way or be the person that can find the right answer.
00:29:01.760 And that allows us the freedom to research, to look into and not have this perception of self that
00:29:08.740 like I'm right and everyone's wrong. Most things are so complex that there is no right and wrong,
00:29:14.220 that there's it's way more complex than that, right? And we kind of go around in our society,
00:29:18.780 by the way, and put labels on everything. Oh, that's right. And that's wrong. And this right.
00:29:22.620 And if I were president and that dude is way more complex than that, right? So we need to have some
00:29:27.560 critical thinking, realize things are a little bit more complex than they really are. Maintain some
00:29:32.740 humility and change your perception and be the noob. It's actually like quite refreshing.
00:29:38.940 If you think about it, if you're willing to be authentic and like, accept the idea that I don't
00:29:44.020 know this and actually be open in your communication. Um, so then that way you can have some rapid growth
00:29:50.640 in whatever it is that you're doing. And then I think the last thing is, you know, same thing with
00:29:55.840 our egos, right? And the best way I can think about it is like, try to relate how you interact with
00:30:04.900 other individuals where people maintain their, their ego and they don't admit when they're wrong,
00:30:12.720 that they don't, uh, let go of an argument that they don't let other people. Like think about those
00:30:18.660 scenarios and, and kind of put yourself in that same circumstance. And most of the time we respect
00:30:26.580 people when they admit they're wrong. We respect people that are willing to like say, Oh, you know
00:30:32.680 what? You're right. I'm wrong. Like we think more highly of them, but yet we walk around thinking
00:30:36.900 we can't do that. So I don't know, just critically think through that, make sure that we show up a
00:30:42.440 proper way, maintain that humility, um, you know, and, uh, build some self-confidence too. Cause I think
00:30:49.460 with confidence that ego kind of goes away to be honest with you. I think it's smoke and mirrors
00:30:54.560 most of the time. All right. Brennan Lamprich, uh, book recommendations besides wild at heart,
00:31:04.100 sovereignty, and as a man thinketh. So first off you guys that have not read wild at heart,
00:31:09.340 sovereignty, or as a man thinketh, you should probably read those books. But Brennan, on the
00:31:13.480 other hand, he's got that covered. These were really helpful. He says, and I'm looking for similar
00:31:18.720 reads. Thank you. All right. So I actually read this question. I actually jotted some,
00:31:24.700 some down ahead of time because I didn't want to go off the cuff. However, in hindsight, Brennan,
00:31:30.820 these were really helpful and I'm looking for similar reads. And then now I'm realizing that
00:31:37.460 these next book recommendations may not be similar reads. So while that heart sovereignty, well,
00:31:45.260 you know what? Sovereignty and as a man thinketh are in line while that hearts probably a little
00:31:48.700 bit more on the masculine side. So I, I kind of don't have recommendations around that in my list.
00:31:56.720 So here's the list. And I don't know where I pulled this list from. I just, these are the ones just on
00:32:02.680 my mind that, that may have made their way into my top 10, maybe, um, at least maybe the top 15 over
00:32:10.100 the last year. So book number one, too soon old, too late smart. The entire book is like, you just
00:32:18.540 pull out your highlighter and you might as well just highlight the whole, like the whole book.
00:32:22.360 It's just solid. That book's by Gordon Livingston. Next, Atomic Habits by James Clear.
00:32:29.000 Next, uh, the four agreements or the five agreements by Don Miguel Reese or Rios, Rios. Sorry, man. Uh,
00:32:41.360 and then the last is Un-F Yourself by Gary John Bishop. I love those books. Um, I don't,
00:32:49.080 I'm interested actually what Ryan would say. We'd probably agree on Atomic Habits and the four and
00:32:56.220 five agreements. I don't know if, uh, I mean, Jerry got, uh, Gary John Bishop was on the podcast as
00:33:02.400 well. Um, in fact, I didn't read that book until Ryan did an interview with him. And after that
00:33:07.820 interview, I was like, man, I got to read this guy's, this stuff. So I really liked that book a
00:33:11.980 lot. In fact, uh, I've read that book twice already. Atomic Habits, four agreements is just solid.
00:33:17.380 So anyhow, Brandon, hopefully those are beneficial. All right. Excuse me. Ethan foot. How do you help
00:33:27.780 others stop victimizing themselves and take life into their own hands instead of blaming others
00:33:33.580 for all of their misfortune in life? How do you help others stop victimizing themselves?
00:33:40.380 My answer is not like the answer we would all love to hear. I think we would all love to hear
00:33:49.620 a list of things, Ethan, that you can do and it will stop people from doing that whether they want
00:33:56.900 to or not. And the reality of it is that's not going to work. The reality of it is you can't change
00:34:03.240 people. And expect like certainly in, in this space, getting someone to go from victimhood to
00:34:11.900 ownership is not going to come from you like preaching at them, uh, and yelling at them or
00:34:19.400 anything. All that we can do is be the shining example. All that we can do is have our crap
00:34:27.920 together, have our house in order, be the prime example that of what ownership looks like,
00:34:36.040 um, and establish your relationship in a way where you're that light upon the hill.
00:34:43.400 And by putting yourself in that position, by trusting, uh, by having a relationship of trust
00:34:50.260 and caring between you and that individual that then puts you in a position to provide guidance and
00:34:56.400 direction for when that time comes. Um, but that time may be on there. It's on their side,
00:35:04.280 not yours. Right. Um, but I do want to point this out and outward mindset covers this by the
00:35:09.600 Harbinger Institute, how critical it is that we have an established relationship with people that
00:35:15.980 we genuinely authentically care. Um, and then we're in a position to provide guidance and direction.
00:35:21.940 But if we don't have that type of trust in a relationship, it doesn't matter. And so focus
00:35:27.240 on putting yourself in that position, focus on being the shining example. Opportunities will present
00:35:33.840 themselves where you can share some guidance and direction, but most importantly, you got to be in
00:35:39.300 that position first, uh, and to have that type of relationship with that individual.
00:35:43.620 Um, I think, yeah, I can't think of anything else. So, all right, Joseph masters. I become more
00:35:53.420 determined about joining the iron council now more than ever. What are some things to consider before
00:36:00.160 joining the iron council? What are the expectations from the iron council for a newcomer? All right. So
00:36:06.420 Joseph, uh, for those listening, not sure what Joseph's talked about. The iron council is our exclusive
00:36:12.600 brotherhood. Um, that's part of the order of man movement. You can learn more by going to order of
00:36:18.620 man.com slash iron council to learn more. Um, so what are things to consider before joining the iron
00:36:26.340 council? It's not a quick fix. In fact, I about said this to guys. So we have, we have calls, uh,
00:36:34.680 you know, weekly calls. We have all hands calls. We have a monthly topic. We hold each other
00:36:39.680 accountable. You're banding with other guys. You're placed on a team. Like this is what it
00:36:44.000 looks like. And one of the things that I didn't say it, but I, I was tempted to say it because
00:36:50.440 it crossed my mind. And I think it's valuable for this conversation. Yeah. We had new guys
00:36:54.840 introduce themselves last Friday. We have a handful of new guys last week and I wanted to share with
00:37:00.880 them. I said, I, I wanted to say, this is going to make no difference in your life unless you're
00:37:09.460 willing to level up in a way that you haven't before. So if you join the iron council, like,
00:37:15.880 Oh, here's my secret sauce. Right. And this is what I needed. Um, no, man. Like if you're not showing up
00:37:23.620 in life and kicking ass, then you can show up in iron council and float along and be shitty at this
00:37:30.840 too. So the challenge I'd put back to you, Joseph and Joseph, and to your point, Joseph, you asked
00:37:37.900 this question, a bunch of guys on Facebook, like replied, like, Oh, I'm wondering, I'm curious about
00:37:41.420 this too. Are you ready to get on the court in life? Are you ready? Or do you want to keep sitting
00:37:49.180 in the sidelines spectator, watch the game? Or do you want to play the game? So what's the
00:37:55.160 expectation for newcomers that you're on the court, that you're actually willing to put in the work
00:38:00.480 and that you're willing to level up? No one's going to force your hand. You're a man show up,
00:38:09.980 take on the, take on the responsibilities, honor your word, honor your commitments to your team
00:38:15.280 and make major progress in your life.
00:38:19.180 That's the expectation. Now, could you be in the iron council and float along and,
00:38:24.040 and, you know, go under the radar a little bit? Possibly it's, it's possible. So awesome,
00:38:30.340 but that sucks. That's mediocre. Don't do that. So show up in the IC, you get on a team,
00:38:37.500 you're expected to honor your word. You're expected to be maybe a little unreasonable to stop making
00:38:43.480 excuses and you're expected to stand for other men. So when you're ready to do that,
00:38:48.440 join us. And by the way, if you're not ready to do that, don't, because then you're wasting our time.
00:38:56.400 Tony Erzy, what is the best way to build on a victory to go to the next level?
00:39:03.000 Hey, Tony, nice. Miss you, Tony. I need to, we need to schedule a phone call and follow up. Tony was on
00:39:11.260 my team back in the day. Now Tony runs one of our teams in the iron council. Stellar, stellar man.
00:39:17.640 So Tony, you know, I think the best way to build on our victories is after action review. Like I can't
00:39:25.800 think of, I can't help, but think of like the biblical story of this too shall pass.
00:39:30.980 Um, and, and the idea, and I, by the way, I don't even think that's a biblical story. I've heard,
00:39:38.360 like, I've heard that story before and anyhow, that is a whole sidetrack. Anyhow, the idea that
00:39:46.020 this too shall pass, uh, is applicable to not just successes, but also to failures and, and not to get
00:39:54.360 too excited. Right. And, uh, rest on our, on our loyal, uh, to rest and like, you know, celebrate
00:40:00.780 our win too much. Right. Like this too shall pass. Like, awesome. We did good. What's celebrate
00:40:06.860 what's next. Right. And when we talk about the after action review, what went well, what did not
00:40:12.300 go well, what could we do better? What do we need to continue doing to sustain success? I'm about to
00:40:19.720 focus on that. And then that way you're making sure you're still learning. You know what I mean?
00:40:24.280 From, from the victory. Um, and I'm not saying you shouldn't celebrate it, right? Celebrate it,
00:40:30.360 but like also look for opportunities of how you could have doing a little bit better and what you
00:40:34.440 true up. Try not to add too much meaning to that. Like, Oh man, you're so negative, Tony. You just
00:40:39.080 want to focus on what's wrong. No, no, we just want to learn. Right. And so AR man, after action
00:40:45.660 review, I think that's really the next step. All right, Jake Barrett, uh, take the opportunity to
00:40:53.500 test for promotion for a career or invest more time in a side business desire to promote
00:41:00.560 one day, uh, the desire to be promoted one day, but side business is gaining traction now.
00:41:07.480 Okay. So like, what do you choose? Right. Test, uh, testing for a promotion, uh, in the career
00:41:13.480 side or side hustle grow, grow the side business. Um, first off, if you can, I do both. I mean,
00:41:21.940 I don't, obviously there's details here. You'll need to determine if you can do it,
00:41:26.860 but why not do both? So if you can do both realize there's a price, right? And is it going
00:41:31.600 to affect each other in a negative way and whatever? But if you can pull off both, I do
00:41:35.460 both. Um, if you have to choose, um, that Jake, I think the pulse here is which one lights
00:41:42.080 you up more, which one are you more invested in doing? Which one are you more committed to?
00:41:48.600 Which one just kind of gets you fired up and excited? Go for it. Um, you might be hesitant
00:41:54.600 to go after the side business more because, um, of quote unquote stability. Uh, you know what?
00:42:02.860 When, when your employment is more directly tied to your action and less directly tied to the
00:42:09.840 decisions of others, that's not called risk or stability or that is called stability, not risk.
00:42:19.960 I ran into this all the time. I had my own consulting company and I had some employees
00:42:24.620 that wanted to work with me that wanted to come on board and they didn't because they're like,
00:42:29.240 well, you're small consulting firm and I stability. And I'm like, okay, so you explain this to me.
00:42:35.040 Um, you can work for corporate America in a large machine and do awesome work and do amazing and get
00:42:43.160 laid off because some upper executive decided to cut off some branch of the company that you happen
00:42:49.600 to work in, or you can work for a consulting company and, and the probability of your employment
00:42:56.500 being affected by your work is like 80% and it's in within your control. That's a risk,
00:43:02.960 right? There's a lot of things that we put stability, um, and comfort in that's actually
00:43:10.720 outside of your control. I would rather rely on myself than rely on others. And so, and I don't
00:43:17.840 know if that's the case for you, Jake, but if it is get over that and, and find the stability in,
00:43:25.220 and actually your side business. And if that lights you up, man, I say, go for it.
00:43:32.960 All right. Sorry. Hold on.
00:43:42.160 All right. Next question. Justin, uh, Kilgan. Hey, Kip, first off, thank you for the podcast,
00:43:50.180 what you and the guys talk about and how you talk about business and life is changing my life.
00:43:56.660 Thanks, man. It's wild. Can you talk about your intentions being pure? How did you know they were
00:44:03.840 pure? I want success, money, and all that. I want to be stable for my family, but again,
00:44:09.760 I feel guilty when I want these things too. Is there a direction that someone can point me in?
00:44:16.520 How did you get to understand your pure intentions? So Justin, I think first off,
00:44:24.720 um, I, I think this is like integrity. I think it's constantly changing.
00:44:30.060 So I think one could get into something with pure intentions and then get off track and start doing
00:44:38.040 it because of ego, start doing it because of money, start doing it for all the wrong reasons.
00:44:42.560 And then, or I think it's a flip where I think one could start, uh, into a business with a lack of
00:44:51.820 pure intention and find pure intention in what they're doing. So I don't think this is, and maybe
00:44:57.660 that's a given, but I think this is something you have to constantly work for, like something you
00:45:02.880 constantly have to put in check and make sure your intentions are pure. And this goes for everything,
00:45:08.440 right? Like, am I trying to manipulate someone right now? What's my intentions of this conversation?
00:45:15.140 Why do I, am I doing this? Why am I recording this podcast? Am I doing this because I want to feel
00:45:20.400 important because I want people to hear what I say because I'm stroking my own ego or is what I'm
00:45:26.580 doing really in line and really pure with the intention of like standing for other people and
00:45:32.400 wanting to help them. And this is constantly in check, like, like constantly. And so I think we
00:45:39.700 have to always evaluate what we're doing and, and asking ourselves and having that internal dialogue,
00:45:46.620 like, why am I doing this? And it, and trust me, you'll get off track. Right. I, I remember,
00:45:53.240 um, yeah, I just shared an example. You know, I was having a little bit of a slump. Um,
00:46:00.080 um, and I was talking with a buddy and he's like, why are you so stressed out about this? And I'm
00:46:04.540 like, dude, I run my mouth on, on an AMA podcast roughly every week. And people ask questions. I
00:46:12.180 run my mouth about what they should do. And here I am. And I'm having a tough relationship with my
00:46:17.160 wife right now. Like I'm a hypocrite. I'm a punk, right? Like who am I right to be saying any of
00:46:26.100 things? And, and, and then he kind of grounded me. He's like, dude, people don't listen to you
00:46:31.220 guys always because you have it all figured out. Sometimes guys listen to you because you're
00:46:35.760 figuring it out because you're on the path. You're willing to share. And, and, and I lost
00:46:43.300 sight of that. Why? Because I want to be perfect, right? I want people to think that I have my shit
00:46:48.320 always figured out. And I, and so I have to put myself in check all the time at work, at home,
00:46:55.020 even on the mat. When I do jujitsu, why am I here? Am I here to learn? And this is that ego.
00:47:01.480 Am I here to learn? Am I here to feel superiority or gets another guy? Am I here to walk off the mat
00:47:07.400 thing thinking like, yes, you know, I'm better than someone else. Should my intention to be to
00:47:13.740 show up on the mat, to uplift my team members, to help them? Should that be my focus? Is my job,
00:47:21.280 the focus on my job to create an environment where my employees feel satisfaction, fulfillment in
00:47:27.500 their work or me? Am I in the iron council to stand for other men or am I in the iron council to look
00:47:35.140 good? I think these are constant things that we have to ask ourselves and, and, and don't.
00:47:44.080 Yeah. I think that's the answer, Justin. I think you have to constantly ask, why are you doing
00:47:50.640 certain things? And, and I think it goes back maybe as an actionable item is, is gratitude and
00:47:58.660 centered focus. Why am I doing this? And maybe you need to write a little affirmation thing of why,
00:48:05.660 why you're showing up at work, why you're showing up in the different areas of her life and why you're
00:48:10.000 doing them. So that way you remember, you don't lose track. Cause trust me, it's easy to lose
00:48:14.760 track. It's easy to focus on these things. I do this, me and my wife, we're just talking about this
00:48:20.660 now. It's like, you know, it's so easy for me to focus on work and like money, money, money, make more
00:48:26.660 money, make more money. It's like, why are we making money? Oh, so we can have freedom of, of time
00:48:33.540 so we can create experiences for my kids. But if I lose focus of that, I won't have experiences with
00:48:39.580 my kids cause I'm too busy making money. Right. And so I don't know. I think it's just pondering
00:48:47.560 and evaluating. Maybe you can put some systems in place around, you know, some, some things that
00:48:53.100 you read, whether it's journaling and whatnot. I think your vision is critical and, and being present
00:49:01.020 to your vision that you've put in place. So that way you don't lose sight of, of why,
00:49:05.460 why you're doing what you're doing. All right. Hopefully that helps. All right. We'll do a couple
00:49:11.020 more questions. Uh, Joshua Berkland was wondering if you could touch on radical acceptance for the
00:49:20.560 things we cannot control and how to make the most of what is in your abilities to change within our
00:49:26.460 lives. So the radical acceptance of things that we cannot control to be honest, Josh, I think,
00:49:33.180 or Joshua, I think we do this because it's the easy thing to do. It, I mean, think about it. It is so
00:49:39.980 much easier for me to sit back and think about all the things that's wrong with the world and complain
00:49:47.620 and moan about my boss, about my employer. That's not me doing that by the way, but, uh, my country
00:49:55.140 and the president and the politician and this and that, like, it's so easy to do. Right. And,
00:50:02.280 and by the way, you'll get reinforcement, right? You'll get all kinds of people enlisting, right?
00:50:06.540 You make a certain comment on Facebook. Oh man, I totally agree. And you feel good about it,
00:50:10.500 whatever. And you didn't do nothing. So I think it's actually just laziness. I actually think it's
00:50:17.300 just, it's easier thing to do to bitch and moan about something outside your control because you
00:50:22.020 can't do nothing about it. So it's a good thing to complain about. You don't see anyone complain
00:50:26.400 about, you know, I'll complain about things that they can change. Like, and even then we don't do
00:50:34.020 it, right? It's like, even then we don't take ownership. Oh man, I hate my health. It's so bad,
00:50:39.280 bad genes, you know, only if I had time, right? Like it all comes with reasons of, of why they can't
00:50:49.280 change it. I, I, it's just a cop, cop out. It's an excuse because if we complained about things that
00:50:57.420 we actually believed is within our control, then we would be out of integrity. And we need to
00:51:06.100 justify when we're out of integrity to be able to live with ourselves. So it comes with excuses
00:51:11.660 and that's why we do it. Um, that's kind of your question wondering, you know, why we do it or
00:51:19.560 what's my opinion of why we do that. I think it's that, I think it's as simple as that is, uh, we
00:51:25.140 don't want to, we don't want to confront what the reality is. And the reality of it is, is the majority
00:51:31.440 of our lives are maybe some of us, maybe even the majority, I don't know. Uh, our lives are mediocre,
00:51:38.740 are pathetic. Um, and they're not going the way we want them to go because of you. And we don't
00:51:46.860 want to accept that. So we focus on the things that we can't control so we can complain and make it
00:51:53.580 someone else's and pass the buck onto someone else of why our life's miserable. Sad actually,
00:52:01.400 if you think about it. All right. One more question and then we'll wrap up JC white.
00:52:08.740 Cap and sin. All right. Is there such a thing as too much honesty? I really liked this question.
00:52:17.540 That's why I jumped down to it. Cause I wanted to cover this before we wrap up today. Is there
00:52:21.860 such a thing as too much honesty? Here's my take. And this is kind of fun. I like this. No, there's not.
00:52:30.680 However, what you think is honest may not be.
00:52:42.200 So let me say, Lord, what you think is honest or what you might think is truth may not be.
00:52:49.200 So when you go communicate something and you're being honest, are you, are you sharing your perception
00:52:58.120 of something? Are you sharing your meaning that you've placed around something? Are you sharing
00:53:04.800 your story or your judgment about something? Because the way you ask this question, I would
00:53:12.960 probably suggest that we do this. We ask this question because what we're sharing is not honesty.
00:53:21.040 It's our opinion. Now it's strong opinion or whatever, but it may not be true or it's more
00:53:28.360 complex than that. And this is where empathy comes in, right? It's so easy for us to judge,
00:53:35.700 to pass judgment, to say, Oh, you shouldn't be this way. Or there's no excuse or you, this
00:53:41.640 and you, that whatever. But do you know the full picture? And the reality of it is most of the time
00:53:47.400 you don't. So is that honesty? No, that's you jumping to a conclusion, making an opinion with
00:53:54.300 partial information. That's not honesty. That's your opinion. That's your perception of something.
00:53:59.760 I find it really interesting. And I remember in the early days, um, during my, I, during my divorce
00:54:08.840 and, and, and it's interesting looking back, what I felt was honesty was not, I was sharing my own
00:54:18.540 story. I was sharing my own burdens. I was sharing my own baggage and lumping it in, in my communication
00:54:27.000 to my wife. This is not true, man is like the furthest thing from the truth.
00:54:37.820 So there you go. There's my answer. Is there such a thing as too much honesty? I don't think so,
00:54:43.360 but we got to be very, very clear what is honest or what is truth and make sure that
00:54:51.200 we're speaking truth. And often most people can't speak it. Why? Because there's too many variables.
00:55:00.960 There's too much detail that you don't know. And so most of honesty is, I don't know. I don't have
00:55:08.440 enough information to make that determination or there's probably other things going on that I'm not
00:55:13.600 aware of. That's honesty. Honesty. A lot of it is unknown. All right. All right. I got to wrap up.
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00:55:52.400 I think if I had to paraphrase, like ultimately a lot of what we talk about and it was kind of
00:55:58.200 present in today's conversation is, you know, we got to get our, as, as Jordan Peterson would say,
00:56:03.060 we got to get our own house in order. The best way to rise up is for us to have our stuff together,
00:56:08.760 to take ownership, to be that example, um, and be in a position to be that lighthouse on the hill,
00:56:16.220 um, for others. And so thank you for banding with us, continue to band with us and share this message.
00:56:22.160 We appreciate you guys. We appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation. I appreciate this
00:56:27.420 opportunity that Ryan has given me, uh, to share my opinions. Uh, and until, let's see, we're on AMA.
00:56:34.440 So until, uh, Friday field notes, uh, with Mr. Mickler, uh, take action and become the man you were
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