Order of Man - JASON KHALIPA ｜ Train, Protect, Provide

00:00:00.000 You know, as well as I do, the world needs more capable men. Inherently, we all want to do right

00:00:05.940 by the people we love and care about. But the question is, are we doing anything about it?

00:00:10.860 It can be a challenge to take care of ourselves with all the demands of life, but the demands of

00:00:15.660 life require that we operate at our fullest potential. My guest today, Jason Kalipa is a

00:00:21.880 man who knows all too well what it takes to succeed at the highest level and be there for

00:00:27.160 our people. He is a CrossFit Games champion, jujitsu brown belt, and an incredibly successful

00:00:33.220 entrepreneur. Today, we talk about balancing professional and personal pursuits, how and

00:00:39.080 why to prioritize fitness, changing culture in your home, work, and community, the power of shared

00:00:45.440 suffering with other men, and why every man needs to train, protect, and provide. You're a man of

00:00:52.060 action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:57.160 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:01:02.340 deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This

00:01:09.500 is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call

00:01:14.540 yourself a man.

00:01:16.060 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and the

00:01:20.640 founder, and I am glad that you're tuning in. Whether you've been here for eight seconds,

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00:04:12.720 conversation. My guest is Jason Kalipa. He has eight consecutive CrossFit games appearances under

00:04:19.100 his belt. He also has a championship title, fittest man in the world. Clearly his record speaks for

00:04:25.600 himself, his lifelong dedication to training hard and really a relentless pursuit of excellence. You can

00:04:31.960 go look at his Instagram page and see what that's all about, but it's in business. It's in

00:04:36.000 fitness. It's led him to where he is today, which again, is a successful entrepreneur. He's a loving

00:04:41.560 father and husband, and he's a formidable force. He's a leader in the fitness industry. He is,

00:04:48.060 as I said, a father, husband, protector and provider, and a man that looks the part,

00:04:52.960 but more importantly, he acts the part and enjoy this one guys. Jason, what's up brother? So good

00:04:59.280 to see you on the podcast, man. I was actually hoping that I could have, cause you were at

00:05:03.920 origins immersion camp, uh, last fall, right? I was, I was, were you, were you planning on going?

00:05:10.300 I was planning on going. That's the first one I've missed in five years. So yeah, I was unfortunate.

00:05:16.820 I lived out there in Maine about an hour, 45 minutes, an hour away from where they hold

00:05:21.180 immersion camp, which is obviously an incredible area. Uh, but then earlier last year, about this

00:05:26.000 time last year, I moved back to Southern Utah. So a little bit of a trek for me this year and wasn't

00:05:30.100 able to make it. Dude, that, that immersion camp was, so it was, it was a, it was a really cool

00:05:36.080 experience for me. Cause I had met, you know, I had met Jocko in passing. I'd gone to victory. I kind

00:05:41.200 of, it was definitely the time where I feel like I got to connect more with origin, the brand,

00:05:46.600 and then going to their factory was just like mind blowing. And then being able to roll jujitsu,

00:05:51.580 like basically all day. And then I got to teach a CrossFit class, which was pretty cool. So yeah,

00:05:55.860 man, it was great. Hopefully he'll be there this year. Yeah. I, I, I have plans on being out there.

00:06:01.620 I love being out there with the crew and everybody else. And I'd like to meet you and get a chance to

00:06:06.340 train a little bit together. Um, how long you been training jujitsu for? Eight years. So, you know,

00:06:12.320 kind of my, I, yeah, I guess like my background, it's, so I'm a Brown belt now. And I was going to

00:06:16.940 ask Brown belt probably right about that time. Yeah. Yeah. So for me, you know, I, obviously I competed

00:06:21.800 in CrossFit for about a decade and then my daughter got sick. So I decided to kind of pivot

00:06:25.840 out of the sport and around the same time I found jujitsu, I had already been subleasing some space

00:06:31.300 to one of the gyms and I always like loved it. And then I got into it after that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:06:37.880 What, what, uh, did somebody get you into it? Did you have a friend or something or how did you get

00:06:42.360 introduced to jujitsu? Cause that's how I got introduced is somebody dragged me there and beat

00:06:46.440 me up. And I think they were just getting me there to beat me up. I don't know, but I ended up liking

00:06:51.320 it and sticking around with it. So how long have you been doing it then? Uh, four years. Uh, let's

00:06:57.700 see, four years. Yeah. Okay. So are you blue or purple? Blue belt, blue belt. Okay, cool. Yeah.

00:07:04.700 I had about, I had about eight months of break in there. I actually ended up, um, tearing my,

00:07:10.200 I had a complete pectoral rupture on my left side. So it took me, it took me out of the game for a little

00:07:16.720 bit. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to getting back involved and getting heavy into it

00:07:21.360 now. Yeah, man. I mean, so I used to watch it a lot. I watched it because like I said, I subleased

00:07:27.980 some space for a while to a jujitsu gym. I subleased later on to a judo, uh, gym. I'd always

00:07:33.120 watch it when I was competing in CrossFit back, damn man, that looks so, it looks so dynamic. It looks

00:07:38.460 so unique. It, it, it, it was really, it drew me in. And so then once I stopped competing in CrossFit,

00:07:43.820 I was like, I know, I knew I had to get into jujitsu. So right now I currently train about

00:07:47.960 two, three times a week. Um, I just got back actually from jujitsu right now. Um, and then

00:07:52.740 I add in my other training in addition to that. Yeah, no, it's such a, it's, it's interesting

00:07:58.160 cause I did CrossFit for a lot of years, probably five years or so. And I really prided myself

00:08:04.940 on being fit and capable. And even as I was growing up athletic, but then you throw jujitsu

00:08:09.300 into the mix and you realize how inadequate you truly are. Dude, especially like, you know,

00:08:16.060 if you've been, um, yeah, I was so used to CrossFit and so used to, I was training there

00:08:21.940 that then I got on the mats and it was just like, it was just a night and day different approach,

00:08:25.360 right? So much more dynamic, so much more technique to learn. And, um, I love it. I love

00:08:29.740 both actually. Yeah. How do you, so obviously a big component of what you do is just making sure

00:08:35.240 that guys are training hard and I, and I, and I've looked at your stuff. I've been following

00:08:38.440 you for a long period of time, CrossFit, jujitsu. And I think you're, you're really an advocate of

00:08:43.140 those two things, but just being active in general, like I see you jumping up on the tailgate of trucks

00:08:49.080 or, or, you know, going for a run, just doing whatever you can do at any given moment. Um, I

00:08:53.280 think this is so valuable because so many people live these sedentary lifestyles and, and men are just,

00:08:59.020 you know, they, they wake up with just enough time to take a shower, to get ready, drive an hour to work,

00:09:04.300 sit in a cubicle for eight, nine, 10 hours, drive home, eat complete, like complete garbage,

00:09:09.840 and then go to bed and do it all over again, five, six days a week. Um, but you're living a life

00:09:14.440 antithetical to that. Yeah. I mean, you know, I, my goal for my community locally is to create the

00:09:22.800 fittest, most bad-ass community around here. And so every week I host free men's club meetups and

00:09:29.260 these are just like free opportunities for people just to train hard and get after it. Like right before

00:09:34.260 earlier today, I moved some rowers tomorrow morning. We have a group of probably 50, 60 guys

00:09:38.480 to come hit some rowing workouts with me. So every week I'm hosting community events for guys only

00:09:43.780 to connect with each other, to do something hard, to share suffering, all that kind of stuff.

00:09:48.340 And I'm just a big believer that when I work out, when I train hard, whether it's on the mats in the

00:09:53.220 gym or tactical stuff that I'm doing, like, you know, on the range, I know that I show up better as a

00:09:58.860 husband, I show up better as a father. And I know I've seen firsthand the by-product of what training

00:10:05.100 has allowed me to develop mentally that then translates into real life. The way I like to

00:10:09.900 look at it is like intentionally doing hard things makes real life, hard things easier to overcome is

00:10:15.020 the best way that I like to describe it. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean, the harder you go in

00:10:19.280 training, the easier it is in real life. And look, I mean, it's all real life, whether you're training at

00:10:25.140 the gym, doing CrossFit, Jiu Jitsu, tactical stuff, whatever you're talking about, it's all real

00:10:29.280 life, but there's, it's, it's low consequence. You know, if you go to the gym tonight and you go

00:10:34.720 train other than, you know, having some sort of catastrophic, you know, random injury, there's,

00:10:41.100 there's no real life consequence to it, but missing the deadline at work. Yeah. There's a real life

00:10:45.700 consequence to that or not showing up fully as a husband or father. There's a real life consequence to

00:10:49.840 that. Dude. And so what I'm, what we're really about, and at least for me is when I think about

00:10:56.000 training, I like the idea of like, I think all men should be able to at least embody, at least this

00:11:02.920 is the way I look at it is train, protect, provide. And so what I think about that is I think when

00:11:07.880 people think about what it means to protect, oftentimes they think initially like maybe

00:11:12.200 combatives or firearms, that's a piece of it. But I think the biggest piece of it is you're more likely

00:11:17.360 to maybe your kid's going to run into the street and you got to chase after them. Maybe like my son

00:11:22.060 fell into a fire pit a couple of years ago. I had to throw them out of it. Like those are real life

00:11:26.620 things that I think are more likely to come up than you getting into some physical fist fight with

00:11:30.760 some random guy or having to use a firearm. Do I think that you should be able to develop those as

00:11:35.120 well? Of course. But I think at the baseline is what I think about training is like be able to

00:11:39.780 protect, be able to protect myself and my family, run, jump, climb, lift, all those things.

00:11:44.580 But I also think that guys should be able to provide. And what that means to me is like

00:11:49.440 provide, there's a variety of ways you can look at it, but providing for me means like providing

00:11:54.240 experiences, be able to go out there with your kids, go do anything. Like if your son or daughter

00:11:58.400 is like, Hey, let's go do this. You never have to say no because you're physically incapable of doing

00:12:03.100 that. And training allows me to do that. Training allows me to go swim, go climb, go to the beach,

00:12:10.040 go do any physical feet with my kids, go play football. And then it also allows me to hopefully

00:12:14.740 provide more financially. And so, you know, if I, if I hit a workout, I show up at work differently,

00:12:20.160 right? I show up at work with more energy, more confidence. And those things I think will help me

00:12:26.680 reach my potential better in the workplace as well to be able to provide more for my family. So at

00:12:31.900 train hard, we're about train, protect, provide. And that's where I look at those things.

00:12:36.880 Yeah, that makes sense. I remember when I started CrossFit, I, I was at a, a, a local parade and

00:12:45.920 they had just opened a parade. Yeah. I was just sitting, just, just watching the parade and they

00:12:52.660 had just opened up a brand new CrossFit gym and people were handing out flyers and stuff like that

00:12:56.820 to all the people who were watching the parade. And they handed me one. And a couple of days earlier,

00:13:01.920 a week earlier, I remember my kids saying to me, Hey dad, let's go jump on the trampoline.

00:13:06.420 After I got home from work and I had to look him in the eye and I had to say, I'm sorry, guys,

00:13:11.100 I can't, I was exhausted, but I was 60 pounds overweight. I was, I was miserable. I was depressed.

00:13:17.440 Like it was just, it was not a good position. And that was the moment. That was a very cathartic

00:13:21.660 moment for me because I realized in that moment that, like you said, I wasn't able to provide

00:13:26.700 the experience of something simple, like jumping on the trampoline with my kids.

00:13:31.380 Dude, you're like, you're like speaking to me right now. You know, we have a newsletter.

00:13:35.060 It's called never zero. Cause we believe like momentum should never hit zero. And I get

00:13:38.980 responses all the time, but like that one right there, like what you just said, that's exactly

00:13:43.180 the way I feel. Like I never, ever want my fitness to inhibit what I need or want to do

00:13:49.160 with my family or what I need to do for myself. And it's within my control. And now some people

00:13:56.000 listening and be like, dude, this guy is like singing from the fitness, whatever. It's like,

00:13:59.880 yeah, I, I believe that working out has so many auxiliary benefits that we don't talk

00:14:07.020 about enough as men, including yes. Do you want to look good? Do you want to feel good?

00:14:11.740 Of course, those things are natural. Like, yes. But if that doesn't motivate you, how about

00:14:16.020 all the mindset things you can learn to overcome and, uh, you know, take some, this like anxious

00:14:21.780 energy that I think a lot of guys have, including myself, and you go hit the mats, you'll hit the

00:14:26.040 gym and it just makes you a different person for the rest of the day. Yeah. How do you balance

00:14:31.900 or even teach guys? Because I think, you know, I'm trying to think about what guys who are listening

00:14:36.620 might think of this conversation. And I'm sure you hear this all the time. Oh, well, you know,

00:14:41.360 if I was in your shoes, right, it'd be easy to, you know, be fit and be strong. And if I had what you

00:14:47.080 had, the time, the money, the energy, the resources, then I would look like you too. That's complete

00:14:52.460 garbage. I hate hearing that, but that is what a lot of guys think. So what do you tell the guy

00:14:57.440 who is, you know, an average Joe who's got a nine to five, he's got a wife and a couple of kids,

00:15:04.580 he's making okay money. He's maybe got some aspirational career things that he wants to

00:15:10.440 accomplish. Like, how does that guy get into the world of fitness to ensure that not only is he doing

00:15:17.060 it, but also balances it with everything else that he has going on? Yeah. I mean, I think the first

00:15:21.740 thing is like, I understand if someone's like, Hey, you do fitness for a living. It's easy for

00:15:25.480 you to go to jujitsu toys and everything's like, okay. All right. Like, but what other option do

00:15:29.960 you have as a nine to five or whatever you do for a living? Like what option do you have not to stay

00:15:35.540 fit? Like you don't have another option. You need to stay fit for your family. Like you need to stay

00:15:39.980 fit to be the most jacked grandpa on the planet. And you need to allocate time and prioritize it.

00:15:46.540 And I think everybody has 30 minutes a day to get after a workout. And if you don't,

00:15:52.320 then you have to reevaluate what you're spending your time on. Because I guarantee you, if you look

00:15:56.380 at it, you have 30 minutes a day to hit a quit EMOM, which I could explain more about. Or like this

00:16:01.620 morning, for example, early, my daughter and I went for a walk. I put a 50 pound ruck on and I added some

00:16:08.500 external load to my ruck, to my walk. So now not only am I getting time with my daughter to connect with her,

00:16:14.100 but I'm also getting in some additional fitness. So that's another kind of tip that guys could take

00:16:18.200 away. But I think the, the main question you're asking Ryan is like, how do guys prioritize their

00:16:23.620 fitness? And I believe that once you make it a part of your routine, you'll start to realize that

00:16:30.240 everything else starts to follow from it. Meaning if you wake up an extra 30 minutes early and you just

00:16:35.560 did burpees every minute on the minute, 10 of them, let's just say, or five of them or whatever.

00:16:39.960 If you went for a quick jog, you're going to see that your day is just going to be off to a better

00:16:44.360 foot. And you just got to prioritize that and, um, and make time and find the right program. Like

00:16:49.420 it doesn't have to be complicated. It just needs to be effective. And I could talk a lot about that,

00:16:53.120 about compound movements, EMOMs, AMRAPs, stuff like that. But at the end of the day, if you're a guy

00:16:58.360 listening who has a traditional job, ask yourself this very question, like what other option do you have

00:17:04.580 than to get in some sort of fitness? I'm not saying you have to train for three hours a day,

00:17:08.440 but some sort of fitness almost every day, you really don't have another option because

00:17:13.300 what are you going to allow yourself to get to over time? Like that's not okay.

00:17:17.980 Yeah. Yeah. It's also interesting too, is a lot of guys will ask me, you know, Hey Ryan,

00:17:24.140 I'm trying to improve myself. Where do I start? Like start in the gym, dude. Like, what do you mean?

00:17:29.060 Like, shouldn't I journal? No, I mean, yeah, sure. Journal. I'm not going to bash on journal. Sure.

00:17:32.980 Sure. Therapy. Sure. Like whatever your thing is. I like the gym for men because especially if you've

00:17:39.320 been out of the game for, let's say 10 plus years and you're, I don't know, 50, 60, 70, 80 pounds

00:17:44.540 overweight. If you go to the gym this week and you, and you go, like you said, 30, 45 minutes per day,

00:17:51.340 every day this week, and you cut out, let's just say soda out of your diet, you are going to notice

00:17:56.860 a difference in a week. Whereas journaling, I don't know if you're going to notice the same type

00:18:02.440 of difference that you'll see in your body changes and your composition over a week. If you're, you've

00:18:08.120 let it go that far. Dude. And you know, all it takes Ryan is just to get sparked. So like, like I said,

00:18:14.100 I've been hosting every week for the last 22 weeks, I've hosted a free men's club workout. So like I'm

00:18:20.720 putting my money where my mouth is, where I want to, and I want to help our local community improve their

00:18:26.400 fitness. And so I put it out on social, I put it on email, I put it on text, and I've seen a specific

00:18:32.420 change in these men where they show up once a week. And then for the rest of the week, they try and get

00:18:36.860 in whatever they can. And the energy that they bring back home is, is just, it's just night and day.

00:18:42.620 I mean, here's the thing, like the best gift, the CrossFit games ever gave me was not like the money,

00:18:48.420 the prizes, all that stuff. It was really the ability to overcome micro dose of adversity through

00:18:54.340 competition. And I think you could do that same thing in the gym. Like I think men who show up in

00:18:58.560 the gym, who don't want to do it, but tell themselves they need to, who don't want to get

00:19:02.340 that next rep, but they do it. They're all of a sudden they're, they're learning how to overcome

00:19:06.480 these small dose of adversity. And I think when they leave the gym, it makes a huge difference. Like

00:19:10.760 I think that, I think learning how to talk to yourself in a more positive versus negative way,

00:19:16.600 like you're coaching yourself through a workout, both of those things and earning your confidence

00:19:20.860 carry over super well to real life. Like, and I'm, I'm a big believer in this because so my daughter

00:19:26.480 was diagnosed with leukemia in 2016 and she's doing well now, but through that journey, um, I, I, I

00:19:33.620 specifically saw the impacts that going into the gym had on outside in real world. And that's why I'm

00:19:40.860 so passionate about sharing this with men because I think that they're missing out on that piece.

00:19:44.800 Yeah, no, it's powerful. Well, and, and I like the concept of what you're talking about. You hear

00:19:51.020 these acronyms like EMOM or AMREP and, and people are like, what, what, what the hell are you talking

00:19:56.460 about? Um, the, but these are powerful little cues to help you just realize that like I had a hard

00:20:03.280 time. I actually do a lot of strength training now. Um, but I had a hard time getting into quote

00:20:07.960 unquote, your traditional lifting weights. Um, and CrossFit got me into the game cause it kept me,

00:20:12.840 it kept me engaged in a way that strength training or just weightlifting or even like running or

00:20:18.180 something like that did not. So I would love to hear your explanation of, you know, every minute

00:20:22.920 of the minute, uh, or as many rounds reps as possible. Cause I think these are very valuable

00:20:28.440 cues that people can implement in their lives. Yeah. So, um, I'll kind of start here pivoting from

00:20:34.620 like mindset to more tangible takeaways from this particular episode, like, or at least from what I'm

00:20:39.100 sharing. I've spent, you know, I spent the better part of my life, um, meeting different coaches and

00:20:44.080 trying to be the best and fittest person on earth in the CrossFit games. Started in the fitness space

00:20:48.200 where I was 15 at a conventional gym. I found Muay Thai. I found a traditional bodybuilding.

00:20:54.220 Then I got into CrossFit. I found powerlifting through that and gymnastics through that and

00:20:58.100 Olympic lifting through that and all those different things. And throughout the journey,

00:21:02.320 competing professionally in CrossFit, I would go meet all these coaches and I would also teach

00:21:05.940 seminars for CrossFit. Well, the reason why I share that is that if I could give anybody some

00:21:11.120 cliff notes, who's listening out of all those years that I've been doing this, there's a few

00:21:16.520 things to think about. Number one is that your body wants to create adaptation. So if it, if your body

00:21:25.080 finds itself in a state of, if it gets pushed to the red, your body's smart and wants to create some

00:21:31.880 type of adaptation. So we need to add in some level of intensity or effort to shock your system a little

00:21:37.880 bit for your system to say, Oh, wow, that was really hard. I want to create adaptation, whether

00:21:43.080 that's external loading and heavy lifting to break down muscle fibers, to rebuild, or you're talking

00:21:48.960 about more like lung capacity. You need to push yourself in those areas to ever see those type of

00:21:53.400 benefits. If all you're doing is walking, that's, that's a step, but you need to get that intensity to

00:21:59.360 really start to unlock the potential of your body. So that's, that's one thing is maximal effort

00:22:04.060 for duration of time. How long would be the next question? I think 12 to 15 minutes is a really

00:22:10.580 great range. And the reason why I like this range, I think for most guys is it helps you work this

00:22:15.300 anaerobic and aerobic system. So aerobic being like utilizing oxygen, kind of the longer term

00:22:20.840 and anaerobic, just kind of like this fast twitch quick efforts. We want to kind of be somewhere in the

00:22:26.180 middle of that. So you could carry itself well to a hundred meter sprint. It would also carry itself

00:22:30.320 well to a three mile run. So at 12 to 15 minute timeframe is a good timeframe. Now, what type of

00:22:36.700 movements to incorporate and how to incorporate them? I think looking at movements in terms of

00:22:40.760 function and not in terms of muscle group is a great place to start for people listening.

00:22:45.400 Oftentimes we hear people say, Oh, I worked my buys and tries today. It's okay, cool. Like that's all

00:22:49.360 good. I worked my, you know, whatever. If that's what you want to train is working for you,

00:22:54.600 keep doing what you're doing. The way I like to train is I want to hinge. I want to squat and I

00:23:00.360 want to press once a week. So that means deadlift bench, you know, all these different types of

00:23:04.360 presses, different types of squats, different types of hinge. And I want to make sure that I

00:23:08.420 get my heart rate elevated every day. So I'll use multi-joint movements like a thruster, a deadlift,

00:23:14.200 a back squat, a press, anything. And if you ask me like what muscle groups am I using? I'd be like,

00:23:18.160 I don't know, man. A lot of them, but I'm, but it's the function. Yeah. Exactly. It's the function

00:23:23.820 I'm looking for. Like I'm lowering and raising my center of mass or I'm pressing overhead verse,

00:23:29.840 Oh, I'm working my upper delt or whatever it might be. And then final thing I'll say,

00:23:34.120 and then, you know, we could dive more into it if you want is incorporating different, um,

00:23:39.300 styles of workouts. So an AMRAP is as many reps or as many rounds as possible. And the benefit there

00:23:43.960 is that it's you against the clock. So let's just say, I'm like, Hey, Ryan, I want you to do an AMRAP of

00:23:48.600 five pull-ups, 10 pushups and 15 squats for 10 minutes. You know, you might get five rounds.

00:23:56.620 Someone listening might get eight rounds, but now the next time you try and get that score or a little

00:24:02.000 bit better, but it's as many rounds or reps in that timeframe. The other way to train that is

00:24:08.020 probably my favorite is an EMOM. An EMOM is every minute on the minute. And this style of training,

00:24:13.080 I think is really conducive because it's you racing the clock on a minute basis. So sometimes you have a

00:24:17.620 training partner. You don't know how well you're doing, but an example of an EMOM would be 15 burpees

00:24:22.160 every minute for 10 minutes. So if you finish in 30 seconds, you get 30 seconds rest. If you finish

00:24:27.820 in 45 seconds, you get 15 seconds rest. If you don't finish at all, you might need to drop the

00:24:31.500 number, but the goal is every minute you get to see, am I achieving my goal? Am I hitting what I set

00:24:38.380 out to do? And if not, then reevaluate and crush the next minute, crush the next minute. That's why I love

00:24:43.700 EMOMs. Yeah. And I think that component of tracking it is important too,

00:24:47.440 because if you're not tracking it, you don't know what you're measuring yourself against.

00:24:50.780 But in the world of CrossFit, one of the things that I really valued was the competitive nature

00:24:56.020 of it. And it pushed me harder than I would do on my own. You know, if I saw somebody who was

00:25:00.620 a friend of mine, maybe a similar build, maybe we started at the same time and we're doing every

00:25:06.080 minute on the minute. And I see him get, you know, eight and a half rounds, bro, I want nine rounds.

00:25:11.960 But if he wasn't there, I might get seven. So I like that competitive nature. And I think that

00:25:17.880 speaks to what you're talking about, getting the guys together in the neighborhood and community

00:25:21.020 working together. Cause when men band together, if it's done in a healthy way, that competitive nature

00:25:26.800 can actually push all of us in a very healthy way.

00:25:29.920 Right. For sure. For sure. And if you don't have that network, I a hundred percent agree with you,

00:25:35.780 Ryan, but if you don't have that network, you know, you can go to a local CrossFit gym,

00:25:38.840 you can go find a local gym, you can find a jujitsu gym, or you could just race the clock.

00:25:42.920 Meaning, you know, if, for example, we have our train hard app and we put on there,

00:25:47.000 you know, we give you goals during an EMOM, you could then, let's just say the first minute you get

00:25:51.100 10, your goal now is to get 10 again and 10 again. And so now if you don't have that camaraderie with

00:25:56.540 other people around, you could use your clock as an indicator of your success. And so just kind of

00:26:00.820 like, you know, not having anything to go off of. And the counter to that, you talked about

00:26:06.080 isolating muscle groups. You know, for example, I was sitting in the gym this morning doing

00:26:09.960 preacher curls, which obviously is designed to isolate the bicep, right? Like that's it.

00:26:16.440 Like no shoulder, no back. Like we're just going to isolate this bicep right here and see if we can

00:26:21.060 get maximum lift from this. I think it makes sense, but, but I almost wonder if it's

00:26:26.480 purely an aesthetic decision to make. I mean, obviously there's benefits to having bigger

00:26:32.100 muscles, even if they are just isolated groups. But to me, it seems like it's more of an aesthetic

00:26:36.800 approach as opposed to a functional approach. Like you said earlier, you know, having to chase

00:26:42.240 somebody down or the scenario I thought of was, you know, if, if, if your child or your wife is

00:26:48.500 trapped inside of a car, could you yank that car door open? Well, if you got into an accident,

00:26:52.960 those are the types of things that I think really, really are going to apply more often than,

00:26:58.660 Hey, how good am I at the preacher curl? Yeah. And, and so just to be fair, we have a program

00:27:04.340 that's called flex and there's a gentleman that programs that with me named Gabe, and he's a hard

00:27:10.400 gainer. Like he's a hard gainer. It's hard for him to gain size and he wants to gain size. That's

00:27:14.720 important to him to look the part that he wants to look. And so he's created this progressive overload

00:27:20.680 bodybuilding program for people who maybe are harder gainers or who desire to have that aesthetic

00:27:26.080 appeal. It's just, for me, I focus more on like functional capacity, but I also want to look good.

00:27:33.800 I just am at the, I'm not necessarily striving for increased muscle size, but if you are, then you

00:27:40.500 definitely want to be on a more structured program with progressive overloading. So that's a program we

00:27:45.240 have too, but it's just not the one that I tailor as much of my training to because I'm more looking for

00:27:50.560 the, the hard, you know, EMOMs, AMRAPs, whatever. And then I go, and then that, that transfers over

00:27:56.080 really well to the mats for me. Yeah. I've noticed that personally, like CrossFit, I got, I think I

00:28:02.120 would say I got more fit quote unquote fit when I was doing CrossFit. I've definitely got bigger

00:28:08.100 doing strength training. For sure. For sure. For sure. And I think you got to listen to like,

00:28:14.300 what is your why and what, what are you trying to accomplish? Like if you're listening to this

00:28:17.260 podcast, you're like, all right, well, like I don't, you know, now I kind of get an idea what

00:28:20.720 an EMOM is, I get an AMRAP, but like, how do I embrace that? Well, I think it really just depends

00:28:26.380 on what your goals are. If you want to, you know, get ready for summertime and you really want to get

00:28:31.960 bigger, well, then you have to eat and train in a way that's going to help you get there. If you

00:28:37.160 instead want to say, Hey, I want to lose a couple of pounds. I want to be overall fit. Well, that's it.

00:28:41.140 Those are two different goals and you just got to identify where you're at on your journey and then

00:28:45.800 just go pick it and get after it. I think the biggest thing for me, Jason, is just, I really

00:28:51.000 don't like the end goal is important, but I think for the most part, most men have the same goal as

00:28:57.520 it relates to fitness is like, Hey, I want to be, I want to be fit. I want to be capable. I want to

00:29:02.440 look good with my shirt off. You know, if I'm at the beach or I want my wife to look at me and think

00:29:06.780 I'm sexy. If we're going to, you know, be intimate and have sex. Like, I think we all want the same

00:29:11.260 thing to me. I think for the most part, it comes down to, and I'm trying to think about this before

00:29:17.160 I say it, but I think for the most part, the biggest goal that any man should have, you correct

00:29:22.000 me if you think I'm wrong, is what can you do that will keep you in the game the longest? Like I know

00:29:29.160 so many guys are like, I don't like jujitsu. Like then stop going to jujitsu. Like they're like, well,

00:29:33.860 you know, like Jason talks about it and Jocko talks about it. And so I don't care if you don't like

00:29:39.060 it. You're not going to do it. And then you're going to give yourself all sorts of excuses and

00:29:44.160 reasons as to why you can't be in shape. Go, go run marathons. I don't really care.

00:29:48.200 Like find something you can sustain forever. For sure. For sure. For us, like I'll give you an

00:29:55.780 example. We have three programs that we mainly, I mainly float between. We have one that's act the

00:30:00.420 part. It's called force. It's like the functional one. We have one that looked the part. That's like

00:30:04.120 bodybuilding. We have an E-bomb program. And the goal is like to never let momentum get to zero. So you

00:30:08.900 might be able to funnel between those different programs. But like to your point, like I want to

00:30:13.140 be as fit as possible for as long as possible. Like my goal is to be fit for the rest of my life.

00:30:18.980 And if that's the mentality I have, then I need to find things that really called to me. And that

00:30:23.300 could change, you know, like it was for me, I was trying to be trying to hit, you know, a 350 pounds,

00:30:30.200 whatever. I was chasing this snatch number. I was chasing these cleaning jerks. I was chasing winning

00:30:34.660 the CrossFit Games. And that for me identified my fitness goals for many years. Now it's evolved.

00:30:40.340 Like, dude, I just want to be the fittest, most capable dad and husband I could possibly be.

00:30:46.580 And I'm sure that'll change where now I want to be the fittest, most capable grandpa I want to be.

00:30:51.640 And then maybe that'll change in the future. But I need to keep chasing these things and finding the

00:30:56.900 right programs that help me do it. You know, like right now I'm training for tactical games because

00:31:01.780 it seems appealing. Like I want to try it. And that's the way I work. But other guys might be

00:31:06.280 like, Hey, maybe you just want to be able to play golf for the rest of your life. Well,

00:31:09.940 let's put you on a program that allows you to have some general capacity so that your knees

00:31:14.920 stay strong enough where you could walk the course. That's an example, but identifying what your why is

00:31:19.860 and then working that plan and knowing that's the long-term strategy. That's key.

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00:32:40.940 You can do that right after the conversation for now. Let's get back to it with Jason.

00:32:47.300 Yeah, that's a good point. Cause I think about it. I was doing some Spartan races and then last year I

00:32:52.140 did a Ragnar relay race and I have one coming up in the spring and I don't really, honestly,

00:32:58.280 I don't care if I win it. That's not my, really my driving motivating factor. I just want to go

00:33:02.800 spend good time with good people that I like and care about and, and, and, and, you know,

00:33:07.020 spend the time together. So if I was trying to win it, I think my training would be different than

00:33:12.380 if I'm just trying to make sure that I get a good time, beat my time last year that I don't kill

00:33:17.300 myself. And then I'm, you know, strong enough and capable enough that I can actually enjoy it

00:33:23.100 versus it being miserable for me. And that requires different training, different, different

00:33:27.880 schedules. For sure. And learning new skills, like, and, and figuring out what you want to do,

00:33:32.340 right? Like, so for me, you know, jujitsu really unlocks this side of my brain where I can learn new

00:33:36.980 skills all the time. Now that I've gotten more into the tactical games, like I'm learning all these

00:33:41.960 new skills and that's super, like, that's something that inspires me, but I do have more time than

00:33:47.280 probably most people do to learn these and acquire these skills. So they need to figure out like,

00:33:51.300 what does their fitness time look like? And just stay dedicated to it. Because once they get on

00:33:55.320 that path, dude, I'm telling you, they're going to look back six months from now. I'm like, they're

00:33:59.400 so grateful that they got started on that journey. It's kind of like the way I look at it is like,

00:34:03.900 it's kind of like investing. Like, you're never going to look back five years from now and be like,

00:34:07.660 oh, I wish I hadn't invested into that. It's like, well, after it compounds every day, every week,

00:34:12.240 every year, it's like, holy shit. Like, look at this impact now it's made. And it just becomes a

00:34:17.120 part of your routine. Yeah, no, that's a good point. I do want to shift gears a little bit

00:34:22.440 because you had mentioned something a little bit in passing with your daughter being diagnosed with

00:34:26.440 leukemia. How old was she when she was diagnosed? She was, um, like four about to turn five.

00:34:34.640 Okay. Yeah. And where were you in your, in your CrossFit career or, you know, your, your life in

00:34:40.120 general, like where were you? And then how did that deviate once you found out what was going on with

00:34:45.540 her? I mean, yeah, I mean, we were at the, we were, we were, we were pretty, we were, we were

00:34:50.220 doing pretty good. You know, we were, uh, you know, so my daughter was born in, um, so she was

00:34:56.360 2011. My son was born in 2016. So I had had, at the time I had two children. My son was like

00:35:01.080 pretty young. Right. And, um, or 2014, excuse me. And so in 2016, she was diagnosed. And so my son was

00:35:08.740 like a year and a half old. My daughter was like, you know, almost turning five, et cetera. And I had been

00:35:14.160 competing individually at the CrossFit games for about a decade. And that took a lot of wear and

00:35:18.840 tear on my relationships in terms of the commitment that was required. And my wife and I, we met when

00:35:23.500 we were 14 in high school and we've been together ever since. And so, you know, I, yeah, I really

00:35:29.720 look at her as like my partner. And so every year before the CrossFit games, you know, I didn't get

00:35:34.660 into this thing for money or fame or any that kind of stuff. I got into it when there really was no money

00:35:38.740 or fame. So every year I would just like ask her like, Hey, you know, are you ready to make this

00:35:43.940 commitment with me? And eventually over time, it was like, probably like, I don't know, six years in

00:35:48.660 five, six, five, six years in, I was competing year round. So I was competing at the, the open

00:35:53.120 regionals CrossFit games. And I'll go compete for, um, they had an invitational for team USA that

00:35:58.540 competed in for years. It was just a lot of competition throughout the duration of the year.

00:36:02.520 You never really had any time off. So anyways, um, we had had conversations about this and she had

00:36:07.520 said that, Hey, you know, we got one more year and then, and then we need to make a change. I was

00:36:11.180 like, okay, cool. So I competed, I did, I did well, I got back on the podium and then I decided to go

00:36:16.720 team that next year because of our conversation, which she was prepared to go indefinitely if I

00:36:21.580 want to go team indefinitely. Um, but, uh, then my daughter got sick after that CrossFit games and

00:36:27.080 I retired from the sport, uh, immediately. So, you know, the way I looked at it is, you know,

00:36:31.500 you have your business, your family, your fitness, or depends on how you break it down.

00:36:34.680 And obviously for me, it's like family, uh, you know, fitness business, uh, like three

00:36:39.680 different categories in my life. And at that point, you know, it was a, it was a non-negotiable

00:36:46.420 that there was nothing more important than getting her well again. And so I wrote an email

00:36:53.300 that night. I essentially put the company in the hands of, um, like the president of our

00:36:57.920 company. And then I, I, I, I retired from the sport that same, that same day. And it was

00:37:03.220 just, it was the easiest decision I've ever made. You know, like it was, it was, you know,

00:37:07.040 people ask me, Oh, was it tough? It's like, no, man, like you would, I would hope you would

00:37:10.840 do the same situation. You know, like it's, it wasn't that hard because it was so blatantly

00:37:15.260 obvious what the right thing to do was. Yeah. What was what you said? You, you put the business

00:37:20.960 in the hands of your, your president. What was the business at the time? Was it the same

00:37:25.160 business you have right now? Or. Yeah. Our business evolved. So in 2008, I opened up, um,

00:37:30.220 at the time it was essentially it was called NorCal CrossFit and we had, you know, multiple

00:37:34.480 locations. So at the time that, at the time Ava got sick, we had about maybe 30 locations

00:37:39.480 globally, uh, between corporate wellness, brick and mortar. And we had a digital business

00:37:43.760 and that was in 2016. So, you know, quite a few employees, quite a, you know, it was,

00:37:48.200 it was definitely a relatively robust business and I just pivoted away. And luckily I was able

00:37:54.700 to kind of get back in the fold like a month or two later and kind of play my role and then

00:37:58.740 kind of get out. And we had a phenomenal, phenomenal team that helped. And then that

00:38:04.000 business, um, is now underneath the umbrella of NC fit. So NC fit, um, originally born,

00:38:09.400 you know, NorCal, uh, we own and operate gyms. We service gym owners and we do corporate wellness

00:38:14.320 for Lucas films. And so that, that business is really for gym owners, coaches and brick

00:38:19.000 and mortar. And then we rolled out another company called train hard, which has some similar

00:38:24.080 employees. And the goal for that is to help men and women, uh, train, protect, provide,

00:38:29.940 and it's more of a digital business. So that's that, that is a, another business we have.

00:38:35.240 Got it. Yeah. All in the same vein, but just different, you know, multiple different avenues

00:38:39.720 that, that you explore. That's interesting with Lucasfilm. So are you contracted by Disney

00:38:44.580 or Lucasfilms to help with, with their day-to-day type employees or actors, or what does that

00:38:50.720 actually look like? Yeah. So, I mean, we, we service, um, our company has been servicing

00:38:55.000 for a while. It's, it's called LDAC Lucas digital arts and it's in San Francisco and it's a, like a,

00:39:00.280 it's a, it's Lucasfilms is one of the major, um, like, I guess, uh, one of the tenants there

00:39:06.400 and there, there's other tenants as well, but we, we run and manage that particular facility.

00:39:11.400 Um, along with, at the time we were doing a lot of other corporate wellness. We've since

00:39:15.280 pivoted away from doing as much corporate wellness. So there are our main corporate wellness,

00:39:19.080 um, client and then we have our brick and mortar in the Bay area.

00:39:22.520 Got it. It is interesting when you see large employers like Lucasfilms or some of these

00:39:27.740 others that I'm sure you work with, uh, that place a priority on the wellness of their employees.

00:39:35.220 And look, this is the cynical side of me. They don't really care about the wellness of their

00:39:41.640 employees. I just want to be really sure, clear about that. Most, most large organizations don't,

00:39:45.680 what they care about is their bottom line, but it is interesting that they recognize there's a

00:39:50.500 direct correlation between their employees being well and fit and their bottom line.

00:39:56.420 There's something to be learned from that. Yeah. I mean, I, from my experience, you know,

00:40:00.940 we've serviced Twitter, GoPro, uh, we've done some stuff with Facebook. We've done some stuff with,

00:40:07.000 I mean, we've done Western digital. We had at one point 20 locations with them globally.

00:40:10.940 So, I mean, we've, we've had quite a few clients. Um, and I would say that for the most part,

00:40:16.260 I agree with you. I definitely think there's some people in leadership who do see a lot of

00:40:19.840 value in fitness. However, um, for the most part, it does come down to a bottom line. And if they

00:40:25.140 could drive, you know, we've been able to show tangible results where if people come in and do

00:40:31.000 CrossFit, they create better connections with each other. It fosters this sense of connection,

00:40:35.860 the productivity increases. And what we found from one study we did, this was like 10 years ago,

00:40:40.440 it was pretty crazy that statistically we, we, we looked at the people that got like bonuses versus

00:40:45.600 the people that came in the classes. And we did it without knowing the names and it was all

00:40:49.080 proprietary, but we found that if you came into fitness, typically more times than not,

00:40:54.280 you're also a higher performer in your particular organization, which, which would make sense.

00:40:58.920 Um, I can't remember the exact study we did, but it was years ago. And it, and it just validated

00:41:03.080 that if you put a gym on site, if you encourage this type of productivity, if you in turn,

00:41:07.280 if you encourage people to connecting through shared suffering, it has an impact on others.

00:41:12.740 I'm curious on that as if, if it's like a correlation or a causation, you know, it reminds

00:41:17.680 me, you'll hear a lot of people talk about oral health being, uh, you know, important because

00:41:22.700 those with good oral health have good overall health. I'm like, well, is that, is that, is

00:41:27.480 that causation or is it just correlation? Because people who have good oral health probably have

00:41:32.840 good discipline around brushing their teeth, flossing proper oral hygiene, et cetera, because

00:41:37.220 they're disciplined in other facets of their life. So I'm curious what you think on, on, is

00:41:42.320 it correlation that they're, you know, bringing the right people in and the right people happen

00:41:47.120 to be working out or is it causation? It's kind of an interesting thought about it.

00:41:51.420 Yeah. I think that at the, at the nut, you know, what we're, what we're seeing is, um, creating

00:41:56.200 a culture. So for example, we provide the fitness to customs and border protection and, um, specifically

00:42:03.260 their SRT unit. And I've, I've really enjoyed working with a bunch of different law enforcement

00:42:07.840 groups, but in particular this group. And it's interesting because when you start to identify

00:42:12.780 the culture within the unit and creating a culture where like the norm is that we are going

00:42:18.300 to be fit, we are going to be capable and how it permeates in other areas, that other job,

00:42:23.440 um, is pretty interesting. So what we found in corporate wellness is that you create a

00:42:28.260 culture where like, dude, it's just a known thing that when we get off work, we're going

00:42:31.180 to go jump into the gym. And then all of a sudden those people go into the gym. And now

00:42:35.360 are you now recruiting people who had those similar interests or are people who had no interest

00:42:42.680 before now being turned onto it and getting their life changed by it? Both of those things

00:42:46.860 were both happening. So it's hard to say what, what the, I get your question, but it's hard

00:42:50.820 to say exactly that either way. It's great. Yeah. And maybe that's, that's what I was going to say.

00:42:55.260 Maybe the question doesn't really matter because it doesn't matter if you're getting people who

00:42:59.360 are lazy to not be lazy or getting people who are fit to actually join your organization.

00:43:03.140 Both are wins. Dude, a hundred percent. I agree with you. Yeah. So it's been a, it's been a cool

00:43:08.560 journey. You know, like I, like I said, I started at the front desk when I was young. I, you know,

00:43:12.560 own and operate gyms. We did a lot of stuff overseas for a long time with Western digital,

00:43:16.180 which was pretty cool. Open locations in Singapore, Thailand, China, whatever. And you

00:43:20.480 had to learn how to work with other people from different, you know, backgrounds. And then

00:43:25.500 meanwhile, you know, trying to, um, you know, overcome everything, the challenges, spending a

00:43:30.720 lot of time in the hospital and whatnot. That's why I'm just such an advocate for fitness because

00:43:34.760 I've seen firsthand how, when your backs up against the wall, fitness can help you get through

00:43:40.160 that. And, um, everybody goes through things, whatever it might be that you have going on in your

00:43:44.660 life. I still think that when that stress, when that anxiety, when that anxiousness hits you as

00:43:49.360 a man in particular, I could speak on that behalf. When you go get after it, dude, you leave feeling

00:43:54.240 better. There's no doubt. I think we all inherently know that. And I know the reason we know that to be

00:43:59.260 true is because if you ask any guy who is going through a difficult situation in his life, let's say

00:44:06.540 a divorce or a bankruptcy or a loss of a job or a loss of a loved one, anything that could happen.

00:44:11.440 Um, I think you're going to have two camps. You're going to have a bunch of guys who use it as an

00:44:16.580 excuse to self-sabotage and implode and destroy their lives. They turn into abuse, alcohol abuse

00:44:21.740 and substance abuse and coping mechanisms. And then you have another group of guys who's like,

00:44:27.340 you know, you'll hear about guys who go through a divorce, for example, and all of a sudden, you

00:44:30.880 know, three, four or five, six months later, they're as jacked and ripped and strong and fit as

00:44:35.780 they've ever been in their entire lives. Like we inherently know that when things are stressful,

00:44:40.200 go for a run, go to the gym. Unfortunately, and I'm guilty of this. We only do it when things get

00:44:47.260 bad and we're not preemptive about it. We're more reactionary about it in my experience anyways.

00:44:53.420 Yeah, man. I mean, for me, it's like, it's just been a part of my lifestyle for so long that I

00:44:58.120 now don't know what I would do without it. Um, it, for, you know, today I was just on the mats and

00:45:04.960 my instructor's, you know, mom just passed away and, and he was using this as an outlet. You know,

00:45:10.240 he needed time to, to recharge his batteries to, to, and so him and I went at it hard and he surely

00:45:17.480 wasn't thinking about that. He was just thinking about not trying to get choked and, and, and vice

00:45:21.600 versa. And I think that you need those times, you need those outlets, especially as a guy, you know,

00:45:26.860 you're at work, you're grinding, you're trying to provide, you're trying to, you know, put it in.

00:45:30.220 Then you get home and it's like, okay, you're trying to be the best dad you could be. But

00:45:34.140 sometimes you just need that third space, that, that little thing that you could do, not the bar,

00:45:37.960 not the whatever, but the, the garage or the gym or the jujitsu mats where, where you can not be at

00:45:44.040 either of those places. So you can show up at both those places at a hundred percent for,

00:45:48.680 for those people around you, you know? Well, and I think it's also good to have good men in your

00:45:53.620 corner like this, because I imagine it's not that you don't care that his mother passed away,

00:45:58.480 but you're not going to use that as a reason to take it easy on him when all of society will like,

00:46:05.400 oh, he's going through a hard time. He's having a hard, let's take it easy. Let's make excuses.

00:46:09.900 And you get on the mats. Like if it were me, I'm like, I'm not going any easier on you.

00:46:14.100 Like I'm going to go as hard as I want. Yeah, for sure. And he probably is appreciative of that

00:46:18.980 because nobody else is going to do it. And this is the power of having men in your corner.

00:46:23.960 Yeah. I mean, basically what went down, I'll just tell you straight up. I mean,

00:46:26.580 this just happened an hour ago is that he told me what happened, right? Cause I had been,

00:46:29.720 I knew his mom was in the hospital. So I had been reaching out to him. Hey man,

00:46:32.200 how's it been going? But you know, et cetera. And he told me today that she had passed.

00:46:35.620 And I, you know, obviously I shared my, you know, sincere apologies. And then we got after it hard

00:46:40.500 for maybe 20, 30 minutes. And then afterwards I just like, you know, gave him a little handshake and hug.

00:46:45.840 I was like, Hey man, I'm really sorry. I'm here for you. And that was it. Like, but,

00:46:48.740 you know, he needed that little outlet. And I think that all guys can appreciate that. And it's

00:46:53.780 like, dude, we're just, we're just one step away from being able to do that. You know,

00:46:56.760 start a clock, hit some burpees and dude, I'm promise you're going to feel like a new man coming

00:47:00.920 out of it. Yeah. You talked about a little bit ago, the power of culture and being in the right

00:47:08.300 culture. A lot of guys find themselves in the wrong culture. You know, they work for an organization

00:47:13.500 that, that doesn't embrace this, or they've got a bunch of people in their lives, whether it's family

00:47:18.040 or friends who don't embrace this kind of lifestyle. What is a man who's in that position,

00:47:22.620 who's listening to this podcast or has a desire to make himself fit and strong and capable in all

00:47:29.360 these ways. And he wants to change the culture, right? Like, I think that's what we as men want

00:47:34.280 to do. We want to invite people around us. We want to uplift people around us. What does a guy like

00:47:39.040 that do either in the professional front and, or the personal front?

00:47:42.860 I mean, that's a good question. I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but I do think what's important

00:47:47.460 is like understanding what your why is, like what, what, what is the reason why you're doing any of

00:47:52.220 this stuff? Like not to go like way deep, but even just at a surface level, like, like why,

00:47:57.760 you know, if, if, for example, um, you need to have a strong why of why you want to, you know,

00:48:03.660 work out and train. If you, if you don't have a strong reason, like for me, it's my family. And so if

00:48:08.140 this gentleman who's listening to this right now, it's like, okay, I want to be fit and capable for,

00:48:11.580 capable for my family. Okay, cool. I want to be able to provide for them and I want to be happy.

00:48:16.500 Well, what steps can I take in the right direction to get out of this culture that I'm currently in

00:48:21.380 to find the right people around me? And, and it could be hard in the beginning because

00:48:24.860 right now, if you're in a culture and you have a friendships and maybe you want to go in a

00:48:29.260 different direction, dude, it's, it's difficult because you're going to feel like the outlier.

00:48:33.820 Like if you're at events and everybody else wants to just drink and stay up all night and you want to

00:48:38.440 get up early to go work out, you might get looked at as like that guy, but you have to be prepared

00:48:43.920 to be that guy. And it's not that weird. You know, you got to find your own balance and your,

00:48:47.840 your own people. And what you'll find is that over time, when you leave one circle, another door will

00:48:53.760 open. That will be just as, you know, even more inviting. You'll feel even more connected. Like

00:48:58.200 when I have all these guys we get after it in the workouts with, like I intentionally do it at

00:49:03.260 five 30 tomorrow morning, because I want to see who's prepared to show up. And everybody there

00:49:08.320 knows that everybody else prioritize their fitness to not drink the night before and get all whatever.

00:49:13.280 So they can show up and they could be around all these like-minded people. And now all of a sudden

00:49:16.520 they create connections. And now that becomes potentially part of their new circle. And I'm

00:49:21.420 not saying you have to get rid of all your old friends, that kind of stuff. What you'll find is

00:49:24.840 that over time, like you'll just get connected to people that are on the same path and have the same

00:49:29.840 why as you, and you just got to be more open-minded to that. If you're not happy with your current

00:49:33.400 situation. Yeah. I'm just taking some notes here. It was funny when I moved to Maine years ago,

00:49:39.660 I went to a local tire shop and I said, Hey, you got a bunch of tight, like big tractor tires in the

00:49:45.300 back. I can see them. And I said, can I buy those from you? And they're like, no, we'll just give them

00:49:49.520 to you. Cause we have to pay to get them taken away or whatever. We'll just give them to you.

00:49:52.740 That helps us. I'm like, sweet. So I got like five of them and I would go out in the yard and we were at a

00:49:58.180 busy intersection, but I'd be flipping tires or hitting the sledgehammer or carrying kettlebells

00:50:02.500 or just doing like weird shit in my front yard. And I went to the convenience store one day and

00:50:08.420 the woman there said, Hey, you know what? People are calling you around the neighborhood. I'm like,

00:50:13.000 I didn't realize people were calling me anything. What are they calling me? And they said,

00:50:16.740 you guys are the weird workout people. I'm like, perfect. I'll take that all day long. That's a

00:50:22.360 compliment to me. But yeah, people are going to look at you weird because they don't understand.

00:50:26.860 And you know what? If I don't, I don't actually care really if somebody who isn't wanting to grow,

00:50:34.020 develop, get better, improve themselves in all ways doesn't understand me. That's not a bug.

00:50:39.860 That's actually a feature. And I'm okay with that. Yeah. And it feels weird, right? Because

00:50:45.900 you know you can sometimes feel isolated and alone, especially if your partner is not on that same

00:50:52.940 journey. But if you're really committed to where you want to go and what you want to do,

00:50:56.440 like you just got to communicate well with that partner. Like fortunately for me, like my wife and

00:51:00.560 I, we are on very similar pages. And at times I've made mistakes where I have been too overzealous

00:51:06.680 about things. Meaning like I, I was so deep into CrossFit. I taught seminars every weekend. I

00:51:13.080 competed professionally. Like I owned a gym. I mean, you name it, I was in it. And so every call,

00:51:19.220 every dinner, every meeting we had was always about CrossFit. And eventually it just kind of turned her

00:51:25.680 off, you know, cause it was just, it was just too much. And so once I backed off and allowed her

00:51:30.720 to find her own journey with fitness, now we have a phenomenal relationship around it because

00:51:35.820 I just need to give her space and not be all like, just because I might want to work out multiple

00:51:40.360 times a day and get after it doesn't mean that my spouse needs to, but we need to have good

00:51:43.880 conversations about what it means to stay healthy for our children. And as long as we're doing that,

00:51:47.400 it's all good. It just might look a little bit different between the two of us.

00:51:50.240 Yeah. But do you, do you talk with any guys? And I'm glad I'm, I'm, that's awesome that you

00:51:54.680 have a wife who's fully on board with that. But how many guys do you talk with who are

00:51:58.720 motivated and ambitious about this? And they don't, they have wives who are like either

00:52:02.840 not interested or like if that's neutral, right? Like I'm not interested and it might even be

00:52:08.560 worse than neutral where they're against it for whatever reason. How often do you meet with

00:52:13.960 people like that? So, you know, uh, from all the years I've been doing this in particular with

00:52:21.740 the men's club that we started about maybe, you know, every week about six, seven months ago,

00:52:25.660 I would say that more times than not, the women are very supportive from my experience.

00:52:31.400 For, for, from my experience, I've received text messages. Like, it's so funny. We host one of the

00:52:36.760 first men's club and this woman texts me. She's like, Hey, my husband came home different today.

00:52:41.000 And I was like, Hmm, I was like, I don't know exactly what you mean. I don't know if he brought

00:52:44.320 it. Oh, you know, I don't know what he meant. I hope he did. She's like, I hope he did. I hope

00:52:48.120 you both are satisfied. That's what I was saying. Right. And you know, I think part of me has this

00:52:54.540 insecurity where, so what we do is we just like do local meetups, like in parking lots and stuff.

00:52:58.960 And I just text a group and say where to meet up. And the other day we're pushing sleds up this big

00:53:03.840 hill and this woman comes out of her house and she has a coffee mug. I'm just thinking, Oh man,

00:53:06.900 we're going to get yelled at. And she just looks at, she's like,

00:53:09.960 I, she's just like, looked at us like, like nodded her head, like nice work, gentlemen.

00:53:15.000 And then went back in her room. I think that there is a resurgence of people who want to see men do

00:53:20.880 hard things. And I think that a lot of wives are receptive to it as long as you communicate it

00:53:26.520 effectively. Cause I have also been the guy who, you know, again, I'm eating for carnivore. I'm eating

00:53:33.540 paleo. I'm eating zone. And I try and, I try and encourage too much on my spouse. But once she found

00:53:39.700 what worked for her, which is creating a small group of women that work out every day in our

00:53:44.040 garage, that's, that's what works for her. I find that more times than not, the spouse is supportive

00:53:49.680 if it's communicated effectively on why it's important to the guy.

00:53:53.320 Hmm. Not only important to the guy, but important to the family. You know, if I, if I'm,

00:53:57.780 if I'm communicating with my partner, I'm saying, Hey, I'm going to go to the gym this morning,

00:54:00.700 especially if you're doing it in a way that doesn't take away from the family. Like if I wake up at

00:54:05.560 5am, like me going to the gym at five or five 30, or I go in at about six o'clock every morning,

00:54:11.980 that doesn't impede on, on my kids' time. So I'm not taking away anything from my relationship with

00:54:19.840 my kids, but I've learned if you communicate it effectively, uh, in a way that not only serve is

00:54:25.920 serving for you, but how this is going to serve everybody else, that seems to be pretty effective

00:54:29.900 as well. For sure. I mean, and you know, what really has helped me with my family is that,

00:54:35.560 and this goes for my son too. So my son is about to turn 10 and he's a, he's definitely got the,

00:54:41.520 like, he, he could be aggressive like at sport and he has like a lot of energy. Right. And so

00:54:46.900 sometimes he'll come in and he'll just be like, I'll be like, bro, go hit the cold plunge. I'll be

00:54:50.720 like, Nope, go hit the cold plunge or go in the garage. I'll meet you in there. We're gonna do a 10

00:54:54.440 minute AMRAP. I'll see you in a second because you could tell he's just, he's got too much and it comes

00:54:59.580 out in ways where it's not constructive, especially in young men. And so I find that with, with my son

00:55:06.660 in particular, like, I believe that jujitsu and self-defense is important. I believe that all these

00:55:10.420 different things, but not to go off on a tangent, but the point I'm trying to make here is that my

00:55:15.580 wife and my family knows that if they see me in like a little bit of a funk, chances are I didn't

00:55:22.100 get after it. And so they encourage me, Hey Jay, you gotta, you gotta go get after it. Like go get

00:55:26.920 after it. I'll see you in 30 minutes because you have a lot of energy right now. We could feel that

00:55:32.040 energy and you need to go, you know, I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly. I don't know if

00:55:36.020 you know what I'm talking about, but that's been key for me too, is that they want it for me just as

00:55:40.520 much as I want it for myself. Yeah. I think, I think every man knows what you're talking about.

00:55:45.000 Like we feel it, right? Like I might have a bad day at work, for example, and I might, if I don't go

00:55:51.420 work out, I don't go train, I don't go, I don't go do something physical. I might let that creep into the

00:55:55.620 relationship I have with my kids or, or anybody else. And it hinders and hurts the relationship

00:56:00.720 versus, Hey, let me direct this towards a powerful outlet. I actually think that's one of the things

00:56:05.880 that is wrong with society and specifically the educational system for our young men.

00:56:10.760 You know, these boys, your son's 10. So what's he in fifth grade, right? So he's in fourth grade,

00:56:16.680 fourth grade. Yeah. So he's in fourth grade. He's nine. He he's in not, he's nine. He turns 10,

00:56:20.920 like in two months. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. So he's right there. So, you know, sit down,

00:56:25.360 shut up, color within the lines, do what you're told, follow directions, you know,

00:56:29.080 maybe even wear this specific thing. And that's not what we as men want to do.

00:56:33.880 Like we want to go explore. We want to take risks. We want to be physical. We want to,

00:56:38.160 you know, build things, destroy things like that. Man, if we could find a way to do that,

00:56:43.720 and we have that available through some of the outlets that you're talking about, they're just

00:56:47.480 not getting enough day to day because they're in school all day long doing the opposite of what

00:56:52.560 they ought to be doing. Dude. Yeah. It's, it's something that's a big conflict or not a big

00:56:57.440 conflict. That's something I think about a lot. You know, a lot of our friends have, um, pursued

00:57:01.560 homeschool. I think there's definitely a route. We have not pursued that route. We're a more

00:57:05.280 traditional, um, private Catholic school for our kids, but we've, we recognize the pros and cons,

00:57:11.000 I think. Um, and we're trying to, to, um, you know, do the best we can to navigate that. Right.

00:57:18.080 And you're like with my son, like he just, dude, I wouldn't want to sit in a chair for eight hours

00:57:22.100 either. Like right now I'm at a standing desk and I wouldn't want to sit down for eight hours. I'd be,

00:57:27.380 I would go nuts. It'd be the worst. And so I can't blame them. And so, you know, we have to every day,

00:57:35.700 uh, we got to sweat, we got to move and we got to get after it. And whether that's baseball,

00:57:40.380 football, jujitsu, or, or just working out is, is an outlet that I think that is, um,

00:57:46.540 really necessary for young boys. You know, I think that this idea that you go to school and you come

00:57:51.660 home and you play video games and you're just sedentary. I just think it's, it's a, it's a,

00:57:55.860 it's not, it's not going to have a good ending to it for a lot of people. And I think that we need to

00:58:00.000 make sure that especially young boys are, are getting the outlets they need to express that

00:58:05.900 energy that we were talking about right now. Yeah. I, I do want to bring up a point of clarification

00:58:11.240 and a slight disagreement. So I want to talk about which one. Yeah, let's do it.

00:58:15.220 Well, you said, uh, we'd take more of the traditional route of, I think you said Catholic

00:58:20.180 private school. The traditional route is homeschooling. I just want to be very clear

00:58:25.640 about that. The traditional route is men leading their boys in the field, taking care of the fields,

00:58:32.160 taking care of the crops, taking care of the cows, taking care of the harvest. I just want to make

00:58:36.160 sure I clarify. Cause that you're talking like old school tradition. That's the traditional way.

00:58:40.520 Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt Boudreaux would be on right now. I'd be like, yeah,

00:58:44.820 exactly. Yeah. Matt and I speak the same language for sure.

00:58:49.220 Yeah. And, and so, you know, I think for me, it's like, um, I was just talking to this gentleman,

00:58:53.180 Ben Alderman, who, who's homeschooled all four of his kids. And, you know, I, I think there's a lot

00:58:58.100 to unpack there. I think it's great. Um, I think it has a lot of benefits. It's not the path that we

00:59:02.920 chose. Um, but I think that, uh, recognizing that in itself and seeing how we could take things from that

00:59:10.520 and embrace it into what we're currently doing, I think is the key. Um, but it's, yeah,

00:59:15.900 I get what you're saying. That was good. I thought you were going to say something that makes sense.

00:59:19.760 I get it. Yeah. No, I think, I think one of the things though, I appreciate about what you're

00:59:23.820 doing in all fairness is, and I don't see this a lot with everybody is they'll pawn their kids off

00:59:28.400 to the school district. And that's not what I'm saying. And I'm not even, that's not what you do.

00:59:33.040 I'm not even suggesting that, but that's what a lot of people do. But if your kids go into the

00:59:38.460 public school system, great, whatever that, that, if that's a dynamic that works for you,

00:59:41.960 but don't think for a second that that absolves you of the responsibility of telling your boy,

00:59:47.540 Hey, we're going to go do an AMRAP or we're going to go out hunt, or we're going to go train jujitsu,

00:59:51.520 or we're going to go out and play or wrestle or jump on the trampoline this afternoon. Yeah.

00:59:55.360 They might be there for six, seven, eight hours a day, but you as a father still have a responsibility

00:59:59.820 for them when they're with you at home. Yeah. And you know, it's, it's funny. I, I,

01:00:05.900 it's something I think about all the time is like, you only get so many no's before they no

01:00:10.160 longer ask anymore. So like my son in particular, he's very active. So he'll come home from school,

01:00:15.000 guaranteed. He'll be home from school in 30 minutes, guaranteed. He's in walking back. Dad,

01:00:19.080 let's go play football. Dad, let's go do this. Dad, let's go do this. Awesome. And I only get so

01:00:22.980 many no's right before he just stops asking. That's something I think about all the time is that for a

01:00:28.680 while I wasn't doing a good job and I'm being much more like aware of this. Now I used to be on

01:00:34.420 conference calls a lot with Asia when, when I would be at home and we would work different hours.

01:00:39.720 So Asia, my calls would be like at, I don't know, six, 7 PM, 6 PM, because it would be morning their

01:00:46.000 time. And I would do a terrible job of isolating myself. And then I'd walk in, I'd be on the phone

01:00:52.720 still. And I would kind of like, Hey, one minute, one minute, you know, that kind of thing. And I had

01:00:57.400 to learn that like, when I'm in the house, when I'm in their presence, like I need to let them know

01:01:01.700 that they're our top priority. And so instead I'll just stay in the office or I'll stay in my car and

01:01:06.040 finish the call instead of going in because I don't want to put myself in a position where I'm

01:01:09.800 like putting my finger up like one minute or no, no, no, not right now. I just, I'd rather just stay

01:01:15.300 away from that situation. Like if I'm, if I'm talking to you, for example, I'd rather just be up in an

01:01:19.080 office than be in front of them and have to like, not, not make them feel like they're being

01:01:23.680 prioritized. And that same thing goes when they ask to go do stuff. Like I have to really be

01:01:28.800 selective. I'm like, Hey man, you only get so many no's before. Like the worst thing would be if

01:01:33.100 he just continues to come home and never asked me to go do anything anymore. I'm like, fuck,

01:01:36.440 that sucks. So that's something I think about a lot. I think that's a really valid point. And it

01:01:41.900 also applies the other way. So if you're with your family or with your son or your daughter or your

01:01:45.960 family, whatever it may be, um, then they get the priority. So it's all them. And that's one thing I've

01:01:53.300 had to be aware of, especially because my work is all right on this device, you know? And so it's,

01:01:58.040 it's like, Hey, when I'm here, I'm here with you guys. When I'm watching your game, I'm watching

01:02:01.480 your game when we're wrestling or playing or laughing, or even if we're playing a video game,

01:02:05.040 which we do, you know, we'll play a video game and we'll do that together. I'm all in with you guys

01:02:09.800 in the moment. My youngest son, uh, about a week ago said, Hey dad, can we go buy lacrosse stick?

01:02:16.480 He's, uh, he's seven years old and his oldest brother is starting to play lacrosse. I'm like,

01:02:21.960 yeah, of course. You know, normally I might be like, nah, I don't want to go. I don't want to spend the

01:02:25.640 money, but I'm like, yeah, dude, if that's what you want to do and that's what it takes for us to

01:02:29.520 go outside and playing catch is actually with lacrosse. I'm all about, I don't know anything

01:02:34.180 about lacrosse, but if that's what you want to do and that's, what's going to get you involved with

01:02:37.120 me, then by all means, let's go spend 50 bucks and get it taken care of. Dude, a hundred percent.

01:02:42.440 Cause like, what would be the other option? Like, imagine if, like, if you think about that at first,

01:02:47.040 like, okay, do I want to go to the store? Do I want to go take out of my way? I don't know

01:02:50.280 anything about lacrosse. Do I want to go spend this money? Do I want to go commit to this?

01:02:53.180 It's another sport. All these like things go through your mind. Right. And then, but like,

01:02:58.340 what's the other option? You say no. Like now it's like, like potentially you're not unlocking.

01:03:04.480 Like maybe this becomes his sport. Maybe this, like those are the things that I think about a lot is

01:03:09.060 like, we as parents have an obligation to try and, you know, help guide our young men and women as best

01:03:14.820 we can. And it's like, if that's what they're asking for and it's something constructive and maybe

01:03:18.960 it could be something that you guys could do together. Like that's awesome. Even though it's not

01:03:22.920 necessarily always the easiest decision. Like, like my son last week really wanted to go

01:03:26.940 snowboarding. I'm like, damn, we got to drive four hours. We got to buy a Lyft ticket. I had all the

01:03:32.260 excuses in the book, you know, but it's like at the end of the day, it's like that, that, that means

01:03:36.400 they want to spend time with you. And, and that's, that's maybe not something you're going to get for

01:03:40.300 the rest of your life. So you might as well take advantage of it now, you know? Yeah, for sure.

01:03:44.580 I've got a, I've got a friend that frames it. I think, uh, he talks about it in the concept of,

01:03:49.080 uh, 18 summers, you know, it's like you only have 18 of those, you know, like that's it.

01:03:56.000 My oldest is turning 16 next month. I mean, he's all but gone anyways. He's got a girlfriend. He's

01:04:02.280 got sports. He's got lacrosse. He's got friends. He's 16. He's going to be, he's not even 16. He's 15

01:04:07.540 man. Once he hits 16, he's going to have a vehicle. He's already bought his first truck

01:04:11.900 and he's going to be gone. Like it's not even 18, it's 16. If we're being honest about it.

01:04:17.460 Yeah. And so it's, yeah, you're right. Like 16 summers. And so that's just something in at look,

01:04:22.800 I, I understand from a practical perspective, it's not always perfect, but something I think

01:04:27.580 about all the time is like, you know, if I ask myself, like, I don't know, let's just say you're

01:04:31.200 on a walk at night or whatever you got. If you want to like a micro check-in, like, Hey, how am I doing

01:04:35.260 in these different areas? You know, I think if you, if you continue to do these micro check-ins,

01:04:39.260 cause I don't want to come off on this podcast. Like I'm perfect at all these areas. Like, dude,

01:04:42.940 my wife and I have been together a really long time and we are constantly talking, communicating

01:04:48.080 and figuring out how we could, how we could be better. Right. And I think that it starts with

01:04:53.260 these micro check-ins that doesn't turn into something massive in the future. Like if you're

01:04:56.960 asking yourself on a weekly bi-weekly basis, like, Hey, how am I doing in business, family fitness?

01:05:02.720 Well, then you can make these little adjustments that could put you back on the right path. But if you,

01:05:06.700 you know, tend to not, if you tend to avoid those conversations or those things for weeks,

01:05:12.160 months, years, all of a sudden, it's very hard to get back on the path. And so that's something I

01:05:16.240 think about all the time is like, if I'm in the sauna or whatever I'm doing is okay. You know,

01:05:20.560 Hey, I was traveling for work. How can I come home and really be present and focused and really

01:05:24.760 prioritize here and then, and then get back at it and find balance moving forward for the rest of the

01:05:30.120 week. So that's been really helpful for me. Yeah. It's awesome. Well, brother, I can't believe how,

01:05:35.560 how fast this time went. Um, how do we connect with you? Learn more about train hard, learn more

01:05:40.840 about your programs. You've got a book out. How do we learn more about what you're up to?

01:05:45.840 Yeah. I mean, I think, um, you know, so yes, there's definitely, there's a train hard app.

01:05:50.940 If you go to th.fit, that's the website as in train hard.fit, but th.fit, you can definitely check

01:05:56.780 out our app. If you're looking for EMOMS, AMRAPs, if you're looking for our force flex program, boom,

01:06:02.020 that's, that's, that's perfect for you. You could check out, uh, Jason clip on Instagram. You could

01:06:06.300 also join our newsletter. All those links are going to be in my, um, Instagram bio. And we just

01:06:12.840 send out weekly newsletters. We're just trying to add value, trying to share what's on our mind

01:06:16.560 or my mind in particular. And, um, I also have a podcast where I do like short form, a little bit

01:06:21.580 longer form, and we're kind of evolving the podcast and the things that I'm really interested in,

01:06:25.620 mainly talking about being a dad and getting after it in the gym. So if you're interested in that type of

01:06:30.060 stuff, check out the podcast and newsletter and Instagram. Right on. We'll sync it all up. So

01:06:34.940 the guys know where to go, man. I appreciate you leading from the front. I'm inspired by you. So

01:06:38.480 I'm glad that we're finally able to make this happen. Thanks brother for joining me today.

01:06:42.140 Thank you. I appreciate it. Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with Jason Kalipa. I hope you

01:06:48.360 enjoyed it. I always enjoy talking with highly, highly successful men. Unfortunately, I missed him

01:06:53.440 the end of last year at origins immersion camp, which is a week long jujitsu camp, but I'm going to be

01:06:58.760 going this year and him and I are going to get a role in and I fully, fully anticipate this man,

01:07:04.860 uh, wiping the, the, the mats with my face. So, but it should be interesting and I'll do what I can to

01:07:11.280 hold my own. I'll make sure I record it. So you guys can watch some of you would like to see me get my

01:07:15.960 ass handed to me more than others. Uh, anyways, uh, please go check out what Jason is doing. He's got

01:07:21.380 an incredible app called train hard. Uh, you can follow his Instagram account for a lot of fitness

01:07:26.900 and, uh, workout and mindset training to help you succeed. Uh, make sure just take a screenshot right

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01:07:59.740 that's our conversation today. We will be back tomorrow for my ask me anything with Kip. We've

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Order of Man - March 05, 2024

JASON KHALIPA ｜ Train, Protect, Provide

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