JIMMY REX | The Brotherhood Blueprint: How to Find, Build, and Keep Real Male Friendships
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Jimmy Rex, founder of We Are The They, author of "How to Be a Healthy Man in Toxic Times" and one of the most intentional men I know, sits down with Ryan Michler to discuss how to be a better man.
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Most men are surrounded by people, but completely alone.
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You've got co-workers, neighbors, guys from high school that we still text with,
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but nobody who will actually tell us the truth or call us forward
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And that's not friendship, that's just proximity.
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might be the most important gap that a man can close in his life.
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And today I'm sitting down with Jimmy Rex, founder of We Are The They, author of Be One,
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and one of the most intentional men that I know when it comes to building real brotherhood.
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We get into where men actually find high caliber friends, how to tell the difference between a true friend and a liability,
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the masculine dynamics that make marriages and relationships work,
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and also why most guys are betraying themselves at the end of the day
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This is a conversation that I hope will change the way you think about the men in your life
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and the ones who should be there but maybe aren't.
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Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
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This is who you will become at the end of the day.
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And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.
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I am Ryan Michler, the host and the founder of this movement.
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We've been going strong for 11 years in large part,
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almost exclusively in part to the fact that you tune in
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and listen every single week. And I'm glad you do. And it's my goal to give you good information
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from incredible people and get you the tools and insights and resources that you need to drive
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as a man. Before I get into the show, just want to mention my friends over at Montana Knife
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knife. It's called the Montana and it's from Montana knife company. All right, guys, let me
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introduce you to my guest. His name is Jimmy Rex. He's the founder of we are the day, which is at
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at this point, it's a global movement and it's a coaching program built around the idea of giving
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men the tools and community and accountability that they need to become the best versions of
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themselves. He's the author of two books, the bestselling, You End Up Where You're Heading
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and his most recent work, B1, How to Be a Healthy Man in Toxic Times. He's also the host of the
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Jimmy Rex Show, which is a top rated podcast with over 500 episodes featuring some of the world's
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most compelling voices on masculinity, leadership, and even personal development. He's got 20 plus
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years in real estate. He sold more than 2,500 homes, participated in the sale of 4,000 more,
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including the most expensive home ever sold in the state of Utah. He's an investor or founder
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in over 35 private companies. He owns more than 60 properties. He's been coached by Tony Robbins
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and Ed Milet and Neil Strauss, and he shared stages with guys like Andy Frisilla, David
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Goggins, Lewis Howes, Chris Williamson, and his message on what it means to be a healthy,
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connected, more purposeful man has reached millions and millions of people at this time.
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I'm honored to call him a friend and also a podcast guest.
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We both live right here in Utah and make things happen.
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yeah well i'm glad you're here i wanted to lead things off right so as people who listen might
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already know huge fan of montana knife company and they sponsor and support us so anybody that
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comes on the podcast gets a gift from thank you i actually love knives and things like that you're
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gonna like this this is a little different you're gonna like this one when i was younger you remember
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when uh tremors came out oh dude oh yeah and i just always wanted to have a knife gun room you
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know like when the tremor comes in it's a big elephant gun so cool thank you man you bet yeah
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it's their new hatchet and what's cool about this so everything they make is a hundred percent made
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and sourced in america but it's got the made in america montana knife and it's got the order
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what i love too it's just it's like uh it's like it has the luxury feel to it yeah it's got the
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weight to it yeah everything else so all yours man thank you man yeah for sure i'm actually going
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to montana later this summer with some buddies we do a trip with my high school buddies every year
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and we were originally this year we were going to go to uh i try to go to a new country every time
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yeah so we were going over to azerbaijan georgia what's azerbaijan what what is that it's is that
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a country dude we were going in armenia yeah we were going to go to the three countries that are
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sandwiched between iran and russia okay so once the world went to shit a little bit over there
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we decided we should probably go to montana good place to be yeah yeah montana's a little safer
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i don't know it's like the whole story about is is the man or the bear safer i don't know that's
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a good point so probably much more dangerous in montana if we really break it down with the
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grizzly bears and stuff but i actually i was up there last weekend and uh saw a bear that's one
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of my bucket list items is to see a bear in the wild and so it was a black bear sow with three
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cubs it was awesome amazing 20 25 yards away from us oh yeah well there's something about being in
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nature it's i one of the secrets to what i do with the you know with the different retreats and
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events that i host is we always get into nature always get in hiking and i think that's one of
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the things that a lot of people miss is that primalness that we have. And anytime you can
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get out and just go hiking, just be outside, that really does just bring something out of you that
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is innate. We have to be in that kind of environment to really get ourselves in our
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full masculine energy. I mean, I agree, but what do you think it is about nature that brings this
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out of us? I think it's the silence, the solitude, the, the, you know, anytime we're in a world that's
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too crowded, one of the things that I've realized, I don't know if you've experienced this a little
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bit as I've gotten older, is you really do have to give yourself time to just be, to just think,
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to just not have a million things going on. I know when I was in my twenties and thirties,
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I just, everything was more and more. I always had an urgency. If there was a blank spot on my
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calendar, I felt like I needed to fill it up. I needed to be productive. I needed to be doing
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everything twice as fast. And I think when you're doing that, unfortunately, you don't give yourself
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enough time to just really be with yourself. And so I think being in nature naturally slows us down.
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I think that's probably what it is. I think that's a good point. Cause I, you know, I think
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about how I spend my time and I've done inventory on my day and you know, how much time am I being
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productive? How much time am I wasting? And it's amazing. I think I just got a notification on my
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phone before we hit record. I had like six hour plus time of screen time and that's not all work
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time either. That's me, you know, sitting on the toilet. That's me even driving. Like that's me
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doing on the phone all the time. And I don't know exactly know, like if listening to a podcast
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counts as i don't know but i think that's right there's a lot of guys who it's so easy to distract
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ourselves and never sit with who we are and who we want to be and how we want to show up and how
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we don't want to show up what we stand for what we don't that seems to me the best not the best
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but a critical component of being out in the wild yeah and i think they're even they've done
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some research about this when men sit around a campfire releases chemicals of bonding like
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vasopressin things like that when you're doing difficult things when you go and you you know
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push yourself and do some of that and I think that's part of it too but I think there's a
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famous quote I think it's Carl Jung and he says you know men will do anything to avoid sitting
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with themselves and so we just live in a world where it is really easy to distract yourself I'm
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grateful we grew up in a time where it wasn't quite as bad still you know in high school me
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and my buddies would get together and play board games every sunday night no phones right
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you were better than we were well we'd toy paper too we made it rain a few times with that just
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we were all baseball players so we could get them pretty high up in the trees yeah yeah we were the
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we were the toilet paper bandits i've got a funny story about that can you imagine somebody toy
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paper today with the way they look oh yeah they would they totally i had a i had a cousin i guess
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an ex-cousin-in-law I guess is how you describe it but he created I don't I don't know what he
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did he he did something with like a bottle rocket or a two-liter bottle and like blew it up or
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something like something totally some dry ice in a two-liter it was something like that the cops
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came and gave him an infraction gave him a ticket I'm like god it's just a kid he's like dude I got
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arrested yeah i got arrested putting mentos and coke when i was that big a deal exactly when i was
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in uh my singles ward back in another life when i was going to the lds church i was probably 23 or
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24 and i wanted to have this really fun night for the ward you know it was all the single kids
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and so i did a sandlot movie night so i got this big blow-up thing and we watched the sandlot
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outside this about 20 years ago on a projector yeah yeah and uh and then the part where they
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make s'mores we made little s'more kits and had s'mores and then the part where the fireworks go
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off i had these really cool fireworks i'd gone up to wyoming and got and uh and so i light off
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these fireworks dude the cops show up because of the size of the fireworks and they arrested me
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right there at the church activity i'm sitting on the oh yeah i'm sitting there 24 25 so you're
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right but i'm sitting there just going what is going on right now i'm i'm literally getting
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arrested at a church activity because i was trying to just go the extra mile with it you know it's
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They ended up letting me go, but after like an hour and a half in front of everybody.
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Yeah, and the bishop never even came over to check in on me.
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There was so much weak leadership that I just, I think if there's one thing I could pin it to, it'd be that.
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That's something that you see a lot in today's world, right?
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there's this i must one of the questions i want to ask you is is masculinity becoming too soft
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you know i think in a lot of ways what's being taught there's this vulnerability is beautiful
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and authenticity as well but then you know so so the question i would have so i have a guy in my
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group that's naturally very he leans very feminine and he loves to sing he loves to do art it's just
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that's where he his natural i don't even think that's feminine actually but we well that's the
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part of him that like his his feminine whatever but and then we're but because of his softness
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he does make mistakes that cost him in his marriage in his life different things and so
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where's the where is the needle go is it do we teach him hey you need to be more in your masculine
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per se so that you you know own your truth and you know have better boundaries and some of these
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things because it would help him not make the mistakes he makes but his authenticity is more
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And so where do you balance something like that?
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um no but i but what i think is a guy like that is he's never gonna go too far masculine just
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because of his nature it's kind of like when i when i tell these guys who are recovering nice
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guys you have to tiptoe and tap dance in asshole territory because if you don't then you'll never
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have a healthy perspective of what is right so if this gentleman you're talking about decides to is
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he married he is yeah so how long roughly uh remarried but two years okay so if one day he
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decides to say hey babe you know um no she's gonna be like wait what excuse me and he's gonna think
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he's being a dick he's probably not right because of his tendency to be a people pleaser but it's
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going to feel like that yeah even when i coach these guys i have to kind of sometimes watch
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myself because i'll just say something that's direct and they're taking it as why is jimmy
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being a dick why is he mad at me do i need to you know repair something here and it's no dude i just
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need the thing done quickly i yeah i have no emotion attached to this i'm just giving you a
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but people look at it through their lens correct so their dad may have been abusive um and said
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things like you uh their boss other people friends whoever it might be and they think well that guy's
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a jerk he said it like that jimmy's saying it like that so therefore he's a jerk yeah well to
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go back to the church thing it's interesting because i've always had a little bit of empathy
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for church leaders per se because they kind of get thrown into this role there's not really
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preparation for it there's no coaching for it yes and that's the reason why i always say i wouldn't
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go to those people for help they're not qualified you know to be able to give you the advice that
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you need they're doing the best they can and that's the part where you kind of your heart
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goes out to them but also you know i know how much bad advice my own parents got going to their
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bishops like things that were said that you know i got caught wind of and you're just you're
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thinking well that that is definitely not good advice but they're also just unqualified to be
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giving it that's the problem you got these guys they're in the bishopric and for those who might
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not know that's the church leadership within a relatively close-knit neighborhood or community
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um and no offense to to the to the bishopric but like these are these are accountants these are
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attorneys these are store managers you know they're entrepreneurs they're employees like
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and that's great like nothing wrong with that that's all good stuff but that doesn't translate
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to talking to people about spirituality it reminds me a little bit of when somebody that's
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married and then maybe they got married in their early 20s they're trying to give advice to people
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that are dating right yeah and you're or the way they did it back when they dated or whatever and
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even if you have a 25 year happy marriage it doesn't mean you know how to date in today's
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world and i always laugh you know i say your intentions are really good but your advice is
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actually really bad and they usually tell you know or it's like taking advice women when they're
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giving dating advice to single men and it's like you don't ask a fish how to catch fish you ask the
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fisherman right and it really is the the whole thing and you hear this advice and guys go do it
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and then they get their ass kicked you know they end up simping for a girl or they end up doing
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something that you know that costs the the attraction because they go for comfort because
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that's what the woman said that they probably wanted but the women don't even know what they
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want they well i actually subconsciously i disagree with that a little bit i think women
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do know what they want but i think they have a hard time vocalizing it in a way that computes
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with our brain like we're speaking different languages and I've had so many experiences
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personal and through the guys that I work with where you know let's say let's say a wife is
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is frustrated or mad with her husband and he's like I don't even know what she's mad about
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and then he'll go talk to her because I encourage communication between husband and wife
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so go talk go ask her what is she mad about and she'll say something like well I told you this
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thing or I said this thing. It's like, well, what words did you use? Like, tell me the words that
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you used. And she'll share the words. And it's like, I don't think that means to me what you
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think it does. Like, I remember my ex-wife, when we went through our divorce, she was like, I told
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you, I told you I hated your drinking. I told you that if you were drinking, then I would leave.
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like i told you all that i'm like hold on what words did you say like what were the what did
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you say i don't remember you saying that what did you say and this is what she said i'll never
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forget it she says i told you i was worried about your drinking i was like okay time out
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i'm worried about your drinking is not if you don't stop drinking i'll leave you
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yeah those mean two different things yeah well it's one of the things that i've studied a lot of
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communication above everything else i've gone to every seminar and conference i really
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think it's fascinating to study communication and um yes men don't understand women's language and
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women don't understand men's language that's why i'm really happy there's some influencers out
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there now like alison armstrong i'm familiar with her stuff she's great she really helps women
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understand how men think and how men act and that book the queen's code i give that out to women
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you know because it really helps them understand a man and because women want to be great wives
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men want to be great husbands we're all trying to be great at what we're doing we just do
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communicate and the world just flows completely different for the two different you know people
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and so unfortunately a lot of lines get crossed in that and that's for so much disappointment and
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disapproval and everything else comes into play but i also think that's why it's so important that
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And we just, as men, I mean, you've been podcasting for, well, both of us, over a decade now.
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And one thing that I think you and I and other people in the industry are really good at is asking questions.
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Well, that's what a good coach does in these ways.
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Just helping them come to an answer to their own problem.
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So when they're confused about the way their wife's communicating with them, it's like, just ask.
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hey babe you seem upset what's going on and she's like well I'm fine hey I know you're I know you're
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not fine is there a reason you wouldn't share it with me right so like these are questions that
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you can ask that will elicit that but then to go back to what you were saying before about the
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the quote-unquote nice guy like where's the balance in him pushing too far you have to push
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you have you actually have to that's the reason you're athletic you were in sports growing up
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you said you're a baseball player I played baseball and football growing up my oldest son
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is big into lacrosse. He's, he just got a scholarship, uh, an opportunity to go play
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at Southern Utah university. So he's playing college lacrosse now. And when you look at any
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field, whether it's a field or a court or whatever, there's boundaries, right? And so if you step over
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that, that's too far, but you have to be willing to push the boundaries a little bit. It's almost
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like that rule of, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. Like I'm going to push right up to the
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edge and step over. But then somebody who's more assertive like you and me, because of the time
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that we've taken to hone the craft is really what it comes down to. You and I have to tiptoe into
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nice guy territory. So I have to be overly empathetic with my youngest son and my daughter
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and my two other boys. I have to be more kind that is naturally comfortable for me, but I'll never
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be a pansy. It's just not in my nature. But I do have to tiptoe into that territory. And that's
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the challenge is like, if you're a nice guy, you have to tiptoe into asshole territory. If you're
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an asshole, you have to tiptoe into nice guy territory to find what's going to work and be
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most effective for you. Yeah. I like how you say that because you do have to, I've had to learn
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that with myself of, I used to say things and you know, some of my close friends said, Jimmy,
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I don't think you understand your words can be like daggers. People are offended by them. They're
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hurt by them. And I'm over here, what are you talking about? I didn't even mean anything by
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that. They're like, we know that, but they don't know that. And so I accidentally would offend
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people a lot. And I have, I think I have gotten a lot better at, you know, tiptoeing into that.
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I call it more of an empathetic place where you're, you know, you're, you're trying to truly
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see the person's view a little bit more. Cause I think a lot of times too, I just trust my
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intuition very deeply. I very much am really good at making a decision and going. And if I'm wrong,
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we'll fix it later because that has served me so well. And I just know that action is so much
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better than inaction. And so unfortunately I've gotten in, you know, in the past rewarded for
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just bulldozing sometimes, but you have to in life to get shit done. Uh, in the process of that,
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you can forget that there's people that maybe didn't like the approach or the assertiveness
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of what you were using. And so it's been cool to kind of step back. And that's where I just love
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guys like yourself that are helping people understand this because it's not taught it's
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not taught in schools and when you start helping people see especially the nice guy tendencies you
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know and a lot of men they think they're being a good ex-husband they think they're being a good
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husband they think they're being a good son and so they'll let somebody really treat them poorly
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and they don't realize it's at their demise they're miserable they they're broke they don't
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have any hope for getting out of the situation when all they need to do is put down a strong
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boundary. And I've said this, Tony Robbins talks about this is your woman actually wants you to do
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that. Oh, for sure. And it's such a, for a nice guy, it's such a uncomfortable thing. They can't
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trust it, but if they do, I had one buddy, you know, I was coaching him a little bit and
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he was very successful. He'd sold a company in college for tens of millions of dollars. This
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dude was a baller. He is a baller. And he had this beautiful wife and she just kind of was
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being rude to him all the time. And I said to him, I said, just one time, just say to her,
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hey honey we love each other we don't talk to each other like that try it again and he's like
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oh my gosh i could never i said try it one time once just freaking have enough faith in me one
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time he did it and he changed his whole marriage totally immediately was like oh i guess he's not
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the pussy i thought he was you know what i mean and all of a sudden he uh he was able to have a
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can uh just a relationship that actually worked where the you know where she respected him again
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i didn't i didn't fully realize that until i started dating again so i've been divorced for
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a little over three years now and it's amazing the women that i've dated and there haven't been
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a lot but there's been i've had some long-term relationships and and the women that i've dated
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long-term it's funny because they've said i like when you tell me what we're doing and tell me what
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to do and and the follow-up to that is i didn't think i would like that it's like of course you
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like that because you're a woman and you like being led. And as long as you have, you don't
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like being led by a jerk. You don't like being led by a weakling. You don't like being led by
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somebody who's immoral. Somebody you don't trust. Right. Yeah. But if you have trust and credibility
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and authority and morality, she will follow you to the ends of the earth. But that guy you were
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talking about, did he feel like he was being a jerk when he said it? Uh, he, he just felt like
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my wife's going to flip if I do this. That was more, he was afraid of her reaction.
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She was like, she actually don't mind if I do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're so right when you say
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that, you know, women want to be led, but I always say, guys, it's up to you to make sure
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she feels safe enough. Cause above all else, a woman needs to feel safe as men. I don't think
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we truly appreciate what it's like to walk around this world as a woman. They'd never feel safe.
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They, they constantly have to be vigilant of their safety. Well, Jocko has a great quote on
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this. He said, I'll never forget this. He said, sometimes men have what other men want.
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You know, if I'm rolling around, I've got a Rolex
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or I'm looking good, like another guy might say,
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hey, I think I'll make an easy target of that guy.
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and she's always got what other men would want.
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I don't know if you've seen that new TikTok trend
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going around that has guys have to handcuff their wife
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And so the wife's trying all she can to get at us.
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And so you start to realize women really are at the mercy of men.
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I mean, this is them trying everything they can not to get handcuffed.
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It's really funny videos, but you just see the difference.
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I mean, there's a real raw power to men that women don't have,
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and they know this instinctively, if not logically.
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And so they do have to be a little bit more vigilant about feeling safe.
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And so if their man doesn't make them feel safe, and I always say that's part of just having your life together as a man is you have to have your house in order.
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What that means to me is physically, spiritually, and financially and emotionally, you have to have your house in order.
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That's one of the reasons why men's groups are so powerful because if you go home and start bitching to your wife about what's going wrong in your life and what's not working at work and you start having a pity party, you're going to lose her safety.
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You've now broken the safety she had, maybe financially, maybe emotionally, whatever.
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And so you need to be able to talk about those things also, though, as a man.
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And that's why you need your boys, whether it's a men's group or just a group of close friends.
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Then you go home with, you know, new, resolute confidence that you can fix the problem.
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And maybe you can tell her, but you're telling her from a different lens.
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Like, hey, this is something I've been going through, but I've got some ideas.
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hey my man's got this I don't even need to worry about it
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but the second you start spewing onto your woman
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looking for it somewhere else whether it's
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she might have to go get a job she might just
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that might look like or it might be in another man
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I mean, I'm sure she's bright and smart and everything else.
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She kind of proved during COVID she's not that smart, though.
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But regardless, you know, the modern version of vulnerability is just,
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I had some guys, I do a divorce course for guys who are in the first 12 months of separation and or divorce.
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And I tell them like, look, you're not going to dump all your stuff on your ex or your current wife who you're going through a separation or divorce with because it's going to undermine everything that you do or trying to do.
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If you want to vent, if you want to yell, if you want to shout, if you want to cry, if you want to beat your chest, like whatever, just message me.
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because I learned this about what women want
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is they say they want a guy who's vulnerable, right?
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And she's repulsed by it, as she should be.
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what she really wants to know is does jimmy know that he can be a dick
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like does jimmy know that he's got some issues he needs to work on and so that's part a and part b
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and you just said it does he have a plan to deal with it so if i go to the woman in my life and i
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say hey babe look i'm having a rough day boss jumped down my throat lost a big client it was
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like not a good day. So if I'm distant, that's why, but I just want to let you know, I'm going
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to put work away. We'll hop in the shower, cool off for a minute, come down, fully engaged with
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the family as best I can be. If I'm a little distant, that's what's going on. And then tomorrow
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I've got three sales meetings set up to replace that client. I already have a strategy and things
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in action to help my boss. And then she's like, okay, cool. I feel safe with that because I know
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building together and so they are going to be constantly
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she's a good woman and she's trying to help you make sure you're not living below yourself.
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You know, I, I talked to a lot of guys that their wives kind of get to a point where they're just
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done if they're not going to make a change. And I say, dude, a good wife is going to do that.
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They shouldn't just love you unconditionally, no matter what, what are you doing? You've given up
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on your own health. You've given up on your own dreams. You have no purpose right now. And she
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feels that lack of purpose. And she being a good woman is calling you back into your own integrity
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to do something with yourself, to do something with your life.
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And so a lot of times where it feels like for men,
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she's always bugging me or nagging me or whatever.
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Like, are you actually doing the things, you know, to have a purposeful life?
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And if you're, if you are, that's one thing, you know,
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but it's very rare you'll have a woman that's going to be nagging you as a man
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No, because they're going to be happy with that.
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And they might still test you, but they're not going to,
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It's not going to be, they're not going to be testing you in the ways that, you know, cause you to feel like inferior or whatever that might be.
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They're just going to constantly be helping you level up.
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Gents, I'm going to step away from the conversation very briefly.
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with jimmy it's funny though because a lot of guys and i think more more weak guys than anything else
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will say oh it's just a shit test and they put they pin it all on women a good guy in your corner
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is going to do the same thing oh yeah right like if i go to the part of the reason i love
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just combat sports, martial arts is because I can go in and I could go train with somebody for an
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hour and I will know a lot about you. I'll know if you're arrogant. I'll know if you're ego driven.
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I'll know if you're fit. I'll know if you're a bitch. I know I'll know if you're a coward.
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I'll figure it out within like two minutes. And I've seen so many guys come into jujitsu,
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for example where they come in with that arrogant egotistical attitude and they get beat up for an
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hour and then never come back that's the test right there so a lot of guys will say well you
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know i don't i don't have anybody who's like really interested in this kind of stuff in my area
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that's first that's not true because of the work you and i do we know there's guys like this
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everywhere. Second, you're not obligated to stay friends or even create that small, tight friend
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circle or brotherhood with guys that you went to high school with 25 years ago if they're not
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leveling up. But the reason men do that is because it's way more comfortable to hang out with
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somebody who isn't going to push on you. But every successful person that I know who's a friend,
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a brother, somebody I, a confidant, somebody I support and believe in, it's not always comfortable.
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I've got a group of guys, like a handful of guys right now who I love to death and we do life
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together and we talk. And if I've got an issue, I'll call, but you better believe those guys will
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call me out. And my first reaction is fuck you. And then my second reaction is, you know, you've
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earned the right to say that and you're kind of right. So let me reevaluate my life or my decision.
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Yeah, the way I say it is because my best friend is the same thing.
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You're just forcing each other to level up all the time, right?
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And those uncomfortable conversations are so welcomed.
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And I always say the difference is, and this is where guys can really screw this up,
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you have to really check yourself and make sure you're coming from a space of love and not ego.
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Because I've had fake friends that will try to call you forward, but it's really their ego.
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They're just trying to prop themselves up or put you down.
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you know you've earned enough respect from these men that they feel comfortable to be able to tell
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you that and when it comes from a place of love there's nothing better than having your buddy
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you know help you see it we have this thing we play this game me and my buddies when we'll be
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just at dinner and we'll just say all right what's a blind spot I'm not seeing guys and we give the
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permission to invite in full raw hey man here's something just to think about it seems like you're
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you know a little bit of a dick in this area or whatever you know and right and all of a sudden
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you get and you don't have to take everything all feedback is just feedback some of it i go
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i'll internalize and go okay i think i see what he's coming from there's other things where i
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i can honestly hear it and then go no that's not the truth here that's not true to me and
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you have to know yourself well enough to know which things to take the feedback and then you
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get to make change on versus other things not everything that you get feedback on has to be
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acted on either that's a good point like just because somebody says something doesn't mean
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you need to actually do anything with it but yeah i think there's two questions i always ask is so
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that when i'm getting feedback number one has this person earned the right to give me this advice yes
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and the reason that's important is it speaks to motives so and it gives me a little bit more grace
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for you so if you're like hey right like bro i see what's going on you're messing up in this
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department i need to know that your motive is i care about you not i want to throw you under the
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us. And that's why the trust thing is so important. Did you earn the right to tell me? Because if you
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didn't, you could tell me that, but you might actually want me to fail. Yeah. Right. So I need
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to know your motives pure. So that's my first question. Has this person earned the right to
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give me that feedback? And some of it might just be borrowed credibility. And does this person not
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just give me negative feedback, but is this person constantly giving me good feedback? Oh, that's a
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good point. You know what I mean? Because if you have a friend that's just constantly telling you
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what you're doing wrong, that's not a good friend either. That's a good point. So me and my friends
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are really good anytime one of my buddies loses a few pounds or gets in better shape i i try to
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notice and i always will say something every time they do something successful at work or they i
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seem to be a good dad i i want to tell them i make sure to tell them these things so that when i do
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have to say something hard they're like yeah jimmy you know jimmy's been propping me up more than
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anybody i can take a little bit of hard advice from him as well that's a good point i was i was
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watching a video the other day and it was like i don't know it was like a handful of guys they
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might have been gaming and they were talking to each other like hey if i was you know if i died
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would you go to my funeral and one guy's like man i would love to go to your funeral knowing that i
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could have helped you but decided to leave you alone and let you kill yourself instead or something
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it was like oh those kids can be ruthless but you could tell that they were all laughing and you
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could tell that actually means oh no i'd be there in a heart when the emotional intelligence it's
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funny because if you've never been around people that truly love each other guys they give each
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other so much shit right but that's part of helping each other level up is you can say
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uncomfortable things that are actually like a little bit of truth yeah you know i did one
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yesterday we have this guy in our group that we were all hanging out we're on the boat and uh and
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he decided to stay back to do work you know and he's he's got about 4 000 employees he's worth
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nine figures so he's a legitimate okay this dude is a busy guy but also i call bia so i this you
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know so then that night we're doing something i was like oh yeah brian he may may not go join us
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because he's he's mr i gotta skip out on boating and be more busy with work i was like it's cool
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dude we don't need your friendship it's all good like but and it's me and him have such a tight
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bond but there was a little bit of truth and you kind of did leave us hanging on boating you know
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but it's fine we're good and and also go with us yeah exactly did you guys go to san hollow yeah
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Where it's like, okay, so number one, have they earned the right to give it to me?
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And that's where you have to really just, you know, I have this saying.
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He says, the goal isn't to be right, it's to get it right.
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You know, am I trying to be right or am I trying to get this right?
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and it's really important one because people that when here's the other thing if if you don't take
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advice from people or you don't take criticism at all or feedback even they're just going to quit
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giving it to you now all of a sudden you're going to live in an echo chamber you're only going to
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be surrounded by people that'll tell you what you want to hear yeah and the people that love you
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most i had a couple years ago i had two brothers were really mad at me and they wouldn't talk to
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me for a pretty long period legitimate brothers or my two brothers yeah literally brothers yeah
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sorry yeah like actual brothers and best friends of mine i mean both of them had named a child
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after me we're tight I mean literally yeah one is oldest son and the other one is second son so
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these are my tight brothers you're the third uh sorry I'm the fifth so yeah these are the two
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brothers right above me and there was a time where they didn't talk to me for about a year
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and um and at first I just thought they were dicks and I you know I felt misunderstood which I
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probably was but also I was not seeing parts of me and eventually I was in a breathwork session I
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was able to see where they were coming from it was really beautiful because part of it was dude
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you wouldn't even have looked at this if it was anyone else that didn't talk to you because you
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wouldn't have cared yeah but they loved you in a way and you know how much you love them and so
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because of that love they loved you in a way that no one else even could and it forced me to look
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at parts of myself that I did not want to and I'm 100% better because of that and I had to just
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it was so funny because you ever had one of those ones you think that they're the problem
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and you realize you're the problem and part of what helped me is my brother finally told me what
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he had you know the problem with me and I thought it was going to be this irrational misunderstood
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thing and it was so eloquently put and he like was so spot on and I was like I had to look at
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myself I there was about three or four things I was like I don't agree with that but the rest of
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it was pretty damn good he had really at least thought this through at a level that I was not
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prepared for. That's funny. And it was just, I was just like, oh, good for him. I had an experience
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just, uh, gosh, probably five or six months ago where I had this guy who was part of our
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organization and he worked with me and he was kind of my right hand man for a little bit and
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really respect the guy. And then he had made a post in, I think it was like my Facebook group
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or something like my, my group. And I can't even remember what the post was, but it pissed me off.
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and i got into the comment section and i'm like dude what are you doing like coming to black it
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was like something about the men's movement or something and he's it felt like he was trying to
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blast me in my own group and so i called him out then he called me out and then eventually i just
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blocked him from the group i just removed him from the group and he texts me and he's like i can't
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believe you blocked me and i blocked him as a friend i'm like well dude i don't like i don't
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do that stuff like i'm not i'm not playing that game and then maybe like a month later i started
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thinking about it i was like did i handle that right could i've could i have afforded more grace
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could i've been a little bit more understanding or tried to figure out where he's coming from i
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don't know why i started thinking that but i sent him a text i'm like hey look bro i think i could
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probably handle that differently i should have handled that differently still don't agree with
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what you said but i could have handled that differently and he he reached out he's like
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yeah, I could have handled it differently too. He had some things going on in his life that I
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won't disclose because he's a friend and it's personal. And I had some things going on in my
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life and it just collided at the wrong time. One thing I've learned with friendship,
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cause it's probably my favorite topic to study. I'm obsessed with being a great friend. I have
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10 real, like, like they are like my brothers that are best friends for 20 year relationships.
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I mean, truly some of my best, best friends. And so I really love the topic. It's why I teach it.
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is there has to be this level of grace when we screw up.
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or even when we're just not our best, you know?
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and you make one mistake and they'll turn on you.
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Some of the guys I coach are clients, some are friends.
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And the difference, one of the number one things that makes a true friend is there has to be this level of grace.
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When I screw up, I want you to come to me, but come to me in a way that you know my character, you know who I am, you know that I'm going to listen.
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And there has to be that level of understanding.
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Otherwise, because you're never going to be, it's the same thing with a marriage.
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I mean, you have to be with people that are willing to give you a lot of grace.
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your guinness group is a wife you're a lot yeah and if you're not with somebody that is gonna
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repair properly whether it's a friendship or a you know a romantic relationship that thing's doomed
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from the beginning it repair is all my best friends we've been through moments where both
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of us were ready to quit on that thing you know but because we were able to talk through it and
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communicate all of a sudden you get the other side of the thing and almost every single time
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you both end up seeing it in a way you're like oh my gosh i'm so glad i talked about this i was
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missing so much context and we just make up our mind before we have that full context and detail
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this is why i talk about the importance of i call it a good sparring partner you know if i again if
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i go to jiu-jitsu or boxing or you know pick your sport i want to know that the guy that i'm going
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to train against or with is probably the better way to say it is somebody who's going to push me
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as far as i need to go but they aren't there to beat me up either like they're actually there to
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make me better one of those guys is pete roberts he founded origin usa and i spent three years
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training with him and it was funny because as a white belt i would train with him and
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i felt like my skill was getting better and then he promoted me to blue belt and
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i rolled with him that evening and he was like 12 or 15 better and i'm like wait a second i'm like
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you've been sandbagging this whole time he's like yeah dude if I just went as hard as I could I
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would just demolish you that's cool and that's not a good training partner like he's a he's a
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whatever degree black belt and world champion like he's incredible if he came with his full
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skill set it wouldn't even be productive for me it's the same thing when I go play basketball in
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my backyard with my boys like I'm not just gonna beat the shit out of them because that's just not
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gonna work and they're not gonna want to come back or learn anything so yeah so so being a good
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training partner like it it's it's crucial that you have people who will push you but they aren't
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there to beat you up and i think the most important thing i tell guys because i'm sure a bunch of guys
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are listening right now they're like yeah that'd be awesome if i had three or four or five guys in
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my corner like that but where do i go it's really easy guy it's simple the gym professional outings
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experiences events and church like those are the only three places so go to the gym the gym
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doesn't have to be jujitsu it could be the actual gym it could be a hiking club it could be a
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walking group i don't i don't care but something physical um the professional side of things is
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like come to one of your events come to one of my events go to chamber of commerce go to rotary
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like those are where the high producers go business network international is another one
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And then church, like whatever your church is, if you're Baptist, if you're LDS, if you're Muslim, if you're whatever, like just go to church because those are the guys who are trying to elevate their spiritual life too.
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It's interesting because a lot of guys are like, I don't have anybody in my life, like just my buddies from high school.
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Well, and a big piece of it I think is you have to be willing to let go of things that aren't serving you.
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Because you don't have room in your life for new people if you're hanging on to the old relationships that aren't serving you.
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He's such a good man, and I loved him so much, and I still do.
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But he hadn't worked in about four years when we were living together.
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We were roommates, and he hadn't worked in about four years, and he just had kind of fallen into this rut.
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And I kept trying to call him forward, like, hey, man, it's time to get your shit going again.
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And he just wasn't doing the things you need to do to be a productive person.
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And where it became a problem is he started getting bitter.
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So then he started offending people when we would go out.
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And to his credit, he was really mad at me at first.
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And he and I are getting married like a year and a half later.
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I've got a job, but I'm going to be at eight in the morning.
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My point is I met some new friends once that relationship,
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kind of we quit being close because I had space again.
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And so sometimes you just got to be willing to go,
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you love them still but sometimes love someone enough to move on without them and then you give
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them the opportunity to level up and see you if they want to but that requires them to level up
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in their own life and i really believe that i think that we do a disservice to our friends if
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we give them full access when they aren't really doing the things that you need to do to be a good
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friend part of being a good friend is you do inspire me you do push me you do you know take
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care of your own shit so that you're not a liability to the friend group right now and all
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those different things well and i also think this goes back to what you were saying about having
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a good woman in your life with boundaries is in my experience life goes better with romantic and
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platonic relationships when i say or at least act as if i'm going this way that's where i'm going
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you are welcome to come with me you i you and i will be partners we'll be companions we'll have
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fun together i'll make sure you're protected like like but this is where i'm going and if you don't
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want to go there you can stay but i'm not leaving you you're deciding you don't want to go with me
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and i think that's where masculine leadership comes in i think a woman would appreciate that
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to say hey like this is the direction of the household this is the direction of the family
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and of course take her into consideration i'm not saying you don't need to but this is where
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we're going and you are welcome to come with me same thing with friend groups yeah well adam lane
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smith talks about this he has a really good way of saying it i think that's a little bit uh
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controversial in today's world but not really he says you're the ceo your woman is the ceo
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and every single decision you want her input you want her advice you want to come to her and then
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you take it into consideration but then you make the decision as the ceo of the house or whatever
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And you say, hey, and if they trust you, they're going to want that anyways.
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And it's a 50-50 partnership, but you are the decision maker when it comes to the direction of where things go.
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But after taking in all the consideration, advice, and respect of your wife or your person, and when you do that, again, and by the way, that if you're with somebody that you don't trust their advice or you don't think they have any good input, that might be your wake-up call as well.
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she of course wouldn't know what to do or whatever vice versa right and uh and i think that you're
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right i you know i was dating somebody once and uh she came to one of my events with my with my
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group and it was just a it was a big event for families and things like that and at the end of
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the night she told me she said i'm not capable of stepping into the role i think you want me to be
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and i you know kind of fought around a little bit i we'd only been dating a month and a half and i
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i was like well what do you why do you feel that way and she said i just don't feel like i can be
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a person that can help you where you seem like you're driven to go and when we got honest about
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it she was right and we ended up breaking up about four months later i saw her at a party and
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she wanted to get back together and it was her that had felt that but i think she just was lonely
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or whatever and she wanted to get back together and then i i actually sat with it for like an hour
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i was like no like she actually isn't the pro i'd seen her on her social media the last few
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months after that and i was you know it kind of validated what she had said oh she's really not
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a person that's fine with i know it was beautiful and right like hey you're eventually going to be
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miserable with me or i'm going to be miserable with you we're just not going the same direction
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and that was kind of the number one thing to go this is all good we don't you know let's not
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pretend that this is going to work any other way uh so you talked about adam lane smith he's been
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on the podcast a couple times and another one is orion terriban yeah he's great and so his his
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lens and resonates more even than adam said about the dynamics he said that the man is the captain
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of the boat and the woman is the passenger so a woman's job is to look at all the captains going
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to different places and saying well that guy is going to get me there and these three guys are
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telling me they'll go there but that guy looks more proficient than that guy that guy has more
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capability than this guy but the captain doesn't acquiesce to the passenger so if the captain's
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saying hey i'm going from point a to point z he doesn't take into consideration well i should say
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it this way. He doesn't ask if the passengers want to go to point C instead. He's like, no,
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we're, we're going here. You got on my boat. My job is to get you there safely and effectively,
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but I'm not deviating just because you happen to think that you want to do something than the
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itinerary said. And it's kind of an interest. It's. I really like it. Well, I just read his
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book too. And that's in the beginning of it. Yeah. He talks about that. And I was fascinated
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by the way he said it he goes into even more details of how that dynamic works and it's really
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good i love that you just touched on that because you're not wrong like a good captain knows where
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he's going he's hey this is where i'm headed and it's like you said a passenger goes oh i want i
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want to be on that voyage i want to go on that trip you know and then they are happy knowing
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their captain is knows exactly how to get to that spot and they're welcome to go on the journey with
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Well, I think if men understood this, not just in the context of romantic relationships, but even professionally, whether you're a boss, a CEO, an owner, a team leader, etc., or even just an employee, the sooner that you can figure out a way to captain and navigate that ship, the more likely it is that people will follow you.
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But they're not going to follow somebody they don't think can get them from point A to point B.
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And then what happens is instead of in relationships, romantic, platonic, professional relationships, instead of being this like constant tug and pull, now we're just worried about alignment.
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If you want to get on this vessel with me and you want to help me get from point A to point B more effectively, then we're aligned and we're good.
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but if there's a misalignment with no hard feelings i'm not angry with you there's no
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contention or animosity we're just not going to the same destination go get on joe schmo's ship
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he's going where you want to go and i wish you all the best well and to women's you know to point
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for women they have to trust this captain is going to be good he's going to go where he says he's
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going and the second you know imagine you're the woman you get on the boat and he says hey actually
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i don't know where i'm going anymore or hey she's gonna jump well that's the point it's all of a
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sudden you know you might be like oh these passengers are a bunch of bitches but it's like
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no you promised them that you're going to this spa or you said that's where you're headed with
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your life and then you're not going there and they're screaming and yelling because they don't
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know if they're gonna get lost at sea now you know and so it all plays in it's really really
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well said that's funny yeah and i i think also this is what orion talks about is that in this
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selection process we'll just look at it from the context of romantic courting women will look and
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see which captain has the most passengers which captain has the most opportunity because
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she can't always do the the proper level of research on each of the captains so she's borrowing
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the attention the credibility the authority that or at least perceived that he has which is why
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it's so important that we just stand our ground tell people we're going and be as attractive and
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capable as possible not just in romantic relationships but business too I remember
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when I was starting in my financial planning practice I was like begging people to sign up
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with me and I couldn't but it's weird because as soon as I started to get successful people
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know I didn't even have to explain it people noticed it they're like oh well this guy's
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working with my neighbor and this guy's working with these people and this guy i guess i better
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work with him too and it becomes that social credibility yeah i've studied attraction one
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time and the guy said he said one of the most important things to attract a woman is pre-selection
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right they don't have the time to right vet every guy way too many guys so they're going to assume
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if you're around other high value women that they've done a lot of that vetting for you or
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if you have very successful friends around you or you just have a life that's working in a lot of
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ways that's how they pre-vet you know a guy to to make sure that he's it's the right boat to get on
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and this is why it's so important for men to build out a good band of brothers to build out like i
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said church the gym and um business opportunities because he's going to put those himself in those
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situations so two things will happen number one you'll create more opportunities because you're
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around higher players. Number two is you'll create more opportunities because people will
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rightly or wrongly perceive you as being a man of value, hopefully rightly.
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Yeah. Well, that whole thing where people talk about, you know, you're going to have the net
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worth of the five people you spend the most time around. It's so true. And I see this over and
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over again. I just had something that happened this last week. I used to be very close friends
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with Dave Bateman. He was the founder of Entrada Software, multi-billionaire now. And we were
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really tight. He put me on his board at Entrada. Well, because of that opportunity, I got a chance
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to buy some stock. The company's IPO-ing in the summer, and it's going to bring me in multiple
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seven figures. It's going to be an amazing payout. And I only got the opportunity because I was
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friends with the guy that owned the company, and we became really close friends. But that's why
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when people say, like, how does it work? How am I going to make more money by being around
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more successful men? They don't really get it, and it's always different. A different opportunity
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is over here i got another buddy who's making multiple six figures a month in his job now and
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he got the opportunity from a buddy that he met through me i used to date the guy's sister you
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know what i mean and they met at one of my parties and became friends and that's where that opportunity
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you just by being around me he happened to get that connection so you never know where it's
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going to come from but you truly are going to end up having the net worth of you know it's going to
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be based on the five people you spend the most time around and usually health is the same way
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I mean, go hang out with four dudes that are shredded.
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But you go hang out with five fat dudes, you're going to be the sixth.
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Like last night we were ordering food and a couple of the guys wanted pizza.
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And I'll be honest, it was my choice what we were eating.
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I've been really changing my health the last six months.
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So instead of having a bunch of bullshit, we had Greek yogurt.
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we had fruit, we had vegetables, we had healthy food and we had beef jerky. And so when you hang
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out with healthy people or wealthy people or whatever, even it works the same way with
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spirituality, right? Like if you're hanging out with four dudes that are pretty close with their
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relation with God, you'll probably become the fifth. But if you're hanging out with a bunch
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of dudes that are pissed at God or don't believe in it or whatever else, well, there's a good
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chance your decisions are going to start to be the same. Which is interesting because then you
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can just decide well what do i want um i want to be fit okay where the fit people hang out right at
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the gym right i want to be close to god where do godly people hang out at church i want to be
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financially successful where do they hang out business conferences like it's not i it was funny
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i was at the heart the local hardware store uh yesterday and i saw this dude and i'm like that
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like he's a young guy he had some style he looked good i could tell he was fit he was a good looking
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dude. I'm like, oh, that guy's a sharp looking guy. Like I'm kind of curious about this guy's
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story. And, um, I went to the cash to the cashier to check out and I saw him walk up to what I
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assume is either his girlfriend or his, his, his wife and his in-laws and she's attractive and
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she's fit and she's got style. And I remember thinking that tracks, that tracks that guy and
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that girl belonged together i could see it you know and you see other couples that maybe aren't
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as exemplary of the way we ought to hold our standards to and you think okay that tracks to
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me too people find each other so but what's cool about that is if you just want to change
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an aspect of your life just go where the people are doing what you want to be doing it's as simple
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as that i tell people guys in my program so look guys you have to be very self-aware of where you're
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at and then you have to be very clear on where you want to be who is where you want to be that
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used to be where you're at and then you try to just act as if you're that person right act as
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if you're the person you want to be because what happens is and it's not fake be that person it's
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act how that person would act have a morning and a night routine how that person would have it
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work the hours that person would work not maybe currently but however they got there get to that
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point yeah if you want to act if you want to look like that or be like that or have a job like that
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act like that person right what who do you need to be to have that and it just starts to close
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that gap until you become that i think where a lot of guys get hung up though is they will put
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themselves in the environment but they won't insert themselves into the environment and so
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what i mean by that is they'll be in proximity but they won't actually be involved totally so
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that's really well said by the way like if you're at the gym for example and you see a fit guy i
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I mean, the odds are if you go in at, let's say 6 a.m. Monday through Friday, 80 plus
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percent of the same people will be there every week, every day, every week.
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Just say, hey, bro, like you look like you got a great physique.
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I'm trying to build out something to the way you look.
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I've done that an infinite number of times at this point.
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And I've never once had somebody say, fuck off, bro.
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They're all like, yeah, here, I got some pointers here.
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A lot of them will work out with me in following days.
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Then I'm like, hey, you're actually doing something I want to be doing.
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I'm curious about the technology that you're using.
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I've never had somebody say, I'm not sharing that with you.
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I'll even have guys sign up for my coaching program.
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And I offer them part of my coaching program is they get once a month,
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They can use it once a month, whenever they want.
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And half the guys will use it, half won't some months, right?
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but they're not truly invested in making the change.
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I was the number one realtor in Utah for a decade, basically.
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And I got realtors in my group that have not sat me down and said,
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And the guys that do, there's the one guy doing it.
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He's going to be the number one realtor in Utah this year.
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And he's literally going to be the number one agent.
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this guy cooper and it's so funny i i'm looking at these agents and they're all struggling and
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figuring out what they're going to do and i'm thinking guys i'm not going to call you and tell
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you to do it you need to call me but what are you doing you've inserted yourself in the place but
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you haven't truly invested in making those changes doing those things i think part of them's afraid
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of what i'm going to tell them they need to do to be successful and so that's a good point easier
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not to call me and do it you know and that's a good point it is it is interesting it's like just
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do that i there's also a level of stubbornness like sometimes for me my own personality is like
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i'd rather reinvent the wheel than do it somebody else's way it's so dumb though right this whole
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like lone wolf thing it's totally dumb yeah and look you got you don't need to take advice from
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100 people but you know call up the guy that's already made it and go hey here's something i
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want to bounce off you what do you think about this you know and one of my favorite things one
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of my basically requirements for being a close friend of mine is you got to be kind of smart
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and I wouldn't have to worry about what was going on
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is they don't get that they don't get it, right?
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and you end up causing huge problems in your life.
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And it's not fair to the other people in my life
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Well, and I think this is where a lot of guys will get,
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Like, I don't think less of you is a human soul.
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So I think that's the difference between judgment to me is more of a moral,
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I was joking around with some of the guys yesterday.
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I said, dude, I said, you have to have pattern recognition.
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But I don't like ghetto people from any background.
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I don't like being around ghetto white people.
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I don't like being around ghetto black people.
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I don't like being around ghetto Latino people.
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Because every time I'm around them, I have discerned the pattern that problems arise in my life.
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And so it's, you know, I can say and not feel bad about saying it.
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I don't even care if it's politically correct.
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But it's like, I don't want to be around anybody that's ghetto.
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that are ghetto that I can be in all capacities.
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And now that doesn't mean I'm racist or judging them.
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that things go worse when I'm around those people.
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Okay, look, that guy that you went to high school with 25 years ago, who's still a loser, is making you more of a loser.
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You can even invite him into your inner circle if he's going to behave appropriately.
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But I'm not interested in building a life to something like this person.
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No, and I've just been burned by so many people, too, that I was trying to help.
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you know i have a little bit or hopefully not as bad as it was but that i can help him i'm jimmy
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rex i have that savior complex a little bit you know and i'm in my heart i want to help that's
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why i'm a coach right yeah but i've recognized that i can look at every person that's ever
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caused me major problems in my life and it was somebody that was just kind of ghetto that i
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tried to help yeah you know and i i got this one dude that we used to be really close friends and
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i thought he was dying he told me he was dying he had this heart thing and i spent for two years i
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went and visited him a 45 minute drive twice a week like i we bought a huge collection of baseball
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cards together because it was the one thing he could do that he really loved and it was something
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we were going to leave together you know like when he died i was going to have it and i i probably
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spent 150 000 on baseball cards in two years with this guy like we had a killer collection i had
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the the collection today is probably worth a half a million because i know i had a bunch of
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shohei otani rookies and nice ones and things like that that are worth a lot of money now
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well this dude ended up finding out what the whole thing was a lie and he ended up
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pawning all of our cards he told me he got robbed and so that's and so i lost all these cards and
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it was i didn't care about the money it was i mean i did because it was like just stupid but
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it was more like every part of every instinct looking back this dude never should have been
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in my life there wasn't a single thing he was adding to my life other than i felt bad for him
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yeah and at the end of the day i had to kind of check myself and go why did i do that what part
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of me you know it was because he played on my good heart but there was another piece to it that
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was wait jimmy you teach people don't let people like that in your life don't let people take
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advantage of you all these things you know and i just missed it and it was it was kind of the last
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straw for me trying to allow people like that in my world i'm just not gonna do it anymore yeah i
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don't need to well i think there's so he betrayed you right clearly yeah and there's there's people
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who do where they betray you but the greater risk is betraying yourself yeah right and that's that
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goes back to what we were talking about with boundaries when you have a boundary but you
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don't communicate it because you're worried your wife might be upset or your business partner might
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be frustrated or fill in the blank it's not the betrayal that they might present is significantly
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less than the fact that you are betraying yourself when you have a standard and you don't uphold it
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When you have a boundary, you don't communicate it.
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And I'm just not willing to betray myself anymore.
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And you also see, okay, well, me wanting to be empathetic and help that person,
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he tried to scam a few of my other friends, too.
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Now, all of a sudden, I've become a liability to my friends
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And so then you go, hold on, what is the higher?
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So it's not just because Jimmy doesn't want to be around people
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that are ghetto or whatever you want to say.
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It's like, no, I have a standard now that my friends know Jimmy will never let that happen again.
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If Jimmy brings someone around, we can trust that that person's been vetted to be there, essentially, going back to that whole process.
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I know we've been wanting to work this out for a while, and I know you've got some plans with some guys today.
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You guys are going golfing and all of that, and Southern Utah is amazing.
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I was going to tow my boat down and I have a buddy down here and I just called him and said,
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Hey, do you want to go boating? It's always better to have a friend. I was like, I'll pay you to
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bring the boat out. Just save me the hassle. And he's like, dude, I'd love to. So he ended up
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joining us. It was awesome. And I'd have to tow the boat down. And yeah, so we're going to go
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hit Black Desert. Have you hit the sand dunes yet? No, I didn't. Is it just out? Oh, it's this way.
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We didn't do those on this trip. I don't love ATVs. I've been in a couple of bad wrecks and it
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gives me a little bit of anxiety and so it's my own thing but when i was younger we'd go out there
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and it's it's if you haven't been in in these sand hollow sand dunes i mean it's it's amazing
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yeah for sure and it's like mars it's all red dirt and sand and it like a lot of the things
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that you do almost feel like they defy gravity it's that's cool freaking wild i'll have to do
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it next time i'm down here well yeah thank you again man really love what you're doing and
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it's cool it's it's we live in a world where men it's they want to find voices of people they you
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know can help them improve their lives and it's what i've really dedicated myself to try and do
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and i know you have as well so i just it's awesome to sit down and yeah appreciate you yeah we'll
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run it back when i'm up there and you're a little bit of my guinea pig with some of our our equipment
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in our cameras so it's funny that we can be doing this for as long as we are and we're opening new
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packages of mics today we're trying to figure out like i don't even know if this one's part of the
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hustle of it all, dude. It's cool. It's, you know, it's, it's just part of it. So many people
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won't do anything if it's not perfect. Yes. And this is an example of like, this was a great
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podcast. It was fun to chop it up and we would have never done it if it needed to be perfect.
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Cause we're sitting in this Airbnb an hour past when we're supposed to be here, the maid sitting
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there staring at us while we're doing our podcast. But at the end of the day, you know, it didn't
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have to be perfect. It's just getting it done is the key a lot of times. That's why I want to have
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be out to my podcast studio, which is at my house next time. Um, I didn't have the equipment exactly
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set up. I'm like, nah, we better do it somewhere else, but next time it's going to look awesome.
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And that's what I want guys to know is like exactly what you said. It doesn't have to be
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perfect. You just have to start and be willing for it to be imperfect to get to that level of
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perfection. So, well, thanks again, man. It was fun. I brother appreciate you. All right. You too.
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Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with the one and only Jimmy Rex. I hope you enjoyed it.
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i hope you got some value from it i love doing these in-person podcasts i'm gonna do a lot more
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i just invested thousands of dollars into some new camera equipment new audio equipment so that
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we can start bringing you these conversations live in person a lot more dynamic just better
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i think so be on the lookout for my new studio including all the new equipment make sure you
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subscribe leave us a rating and review connect with jimmy on the socials and then just if you
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would, just one quick ask, just take a screenshot right now or hit the share button on this podcast
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and where you're getting all of this great information. That might be a stretch.
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Anyways, guys, we will be back tomorrow for our Ask Me Anything. Until then, go out there,
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