John Lovell, founder of Warrior Poet Society and former Army Ranger, joins me to discuss what we, as men, can do about a moral confusion and a complete moral crisis. We talk about mercy and justice, and how to satisfy both, why we should hate injustice, the dangers of communism and socialism, and why we must unite behind truth with a capital T. We should pursue peace if possible, but truth at all costs. You re a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up, one more time, every time. This is your life, this is who you are, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
00:25:48.280You'll have a really fun year and a really lousy decade.
00:25:51.580Instead, if you go for joy, which joy has all the stuff of discipline and self-control, it'll put off a little pleasure now for a greater pleasure later.
00:26:23.820That's what, that's why it was hard to engage, uh, hard to, to cut ties from, but in order to have an actual life that wasn't destroyed and everything attached to it to go for joy, you have to put the temporary behind you of like, we, we pass on happiness so that we can have something wildly more important and that's joy.
00:26:42.900And so that's what the modern person is sacrificing.
00:26:46.540They're going to have a fun year and a lousy life.
00:26:49.640How do you, how do you teach this to others?
00:26:54.120You know, we talk, you talk about being your brother's keeper.
00:26:56.780How do you teach this to the men in your life who have not even remotely considered this idea?
00:27:03.360And also how do you teach that to our sons and daughters who are driven by what can I get right now in the short term immediately because I need to be satiated?
00:27:44.020And so when folks in the flesh around me are caught up into how I'm actually health, uh, doing life in a healthy, peaceful, joyful way, they see that.
00:27:55.340And it's not ups and downs, uh, and they wonder what in the world, what do you have that I don't have?
00:28:06.300It's so for me, it's all going to go back to, uh, I allow the Bible to change who I am so that I can have a peace that transcends all understanding and a joy everlasting.
00:28:19.400I didn't mean to, but you're asking questions that go way deep down to the root.
00:28:24.680And it keeps arriving me at the source of where everything good that I have comes from.
00:28:33.700I also think as I know how many people listen to this, some believers, some not that there's such it's, let me back up a little bit.
00:28:42.920It's interesting to see so many people wrestle with Christianity and I am a Christian.
00:28:47.240Um, I struggle with my faith at times more than, than a lot of people I'm sure, but I believe, and I know that even if I didn't fully believe that the ideas and the premise of Christianity is good for society as a whole.
00:29:02.740And it's amazing to me how many people who might be atheists or agnostic don't even see the value from a secular perspective, let alone a spiritual one.
00:29:12.040Yeah, it's interesting that even the dogmatic atheist, Richard Dawkins has said, and he's come out really, uh, in a very different way.
00:29:24.000We're seeing a very different Dawkins than what we saw even a decade ago, seething, foaming at the mouth, hating Christianity.
00:29:30.620And now he's seen the products of Islam.
00:29:33.900He's also seen that the bloodiest century of all human history was the atheistic cold 20th century with all the dictators, uh, espousing this Nietzsche Superman gone wrong, uh, of Mao and Stalin and Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, horrible scourge crimes against humanity.
00:29:54.180And it's like, man, Pol Pot would kill more people in a weekend than all the like witch trials and Christian inquisitions put together.
00:30:03.720It's like that, that's what can happen of like the thing that's far more dangerous than religion is no religion.
00:30:10.140And that's what the 20th century taught us.
00:30:12.460And so now there, there's a, a real amazing resurgence of Christianity that's happening right now.
00:30:18.980Well, leaders, uh, all kinds of church attendance is blowing up.
00:30:23.280And a lot of it's the young men as well.
00:30:27.780It turns out we do need a moral base that we agree on.
00:30:31.820And for, uh, America, we were founded on a foundation of one nation under God.
00:30:37.120We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal cap capital C created created equal that they're endowed by that creator with certain unalienable rights.
00:30:47.600That among these are, uh, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:30:50.700That was in our declaration of independence.
00:30:52.620Uh, you know, if, uh, all, but one of our signers were God believing men who attended church.
00:31:01.200And even if they weren't following every line of the Bible, they at least could rally together and say, Hey, here's, here's, we got to have some moral standard.
00:31:09.980This looks like the best game in town.
00:31:11.780And so we were founded upon those principles, at least as a Christian nation.
00:31:16.560And so if you want to recreate America with a different foundation, well, when you demo a foundation, the whole edifice falls.
00:31:23.520And so a lot of folks realize that if there's no moral law giver and the atheists have to struggle with this.
00:31:29.200If there is no real moral law giver, then morality is just this made up game.
00:32:05.120You know, we're, we're inventing morality as a social contract or as an individual.
00:32:10.460But if there's no moral law giver, there's no real moral law.
00:32:13.880And so the atheist is forced to either admit morality is this fake noble lie, or they can cast it all off and just live as a complete psychopath.
00:32:24.900But you can't live honestly and consistently as an atheist because you have to invent this moral thing.
00:32:32.080And, and the believer in God knows that no, God created morality, authorizes what's right and wrong.
00:32:41.200It's actually truly evil and wrong to murder an innocent person.
00:32:46.440And the atheist has no basis to say anything is wrong or right.
00:32:53.460Man, let me step away from the conversation just briefly.
00:32:56.200I want to ask you what you're doing to close out 2025 because as the year does wind down, you should be ruthlessly auditing your life, figuring out what worked, what failed, what needs to be cut loose.
00:33:13.580This can really be a season to be brutally honest about your habits and relationships and excuses, the things that have held you back.
00:33:20.640So review your finances, fix your leadership at home, recommit to physical standards, acknowledge even the places that you've drifted instead of acted because we thrive on direction.
00:33:35.180In fact, we try to bring order to chaos.
00:33:36.660So closing out the year with a written plan, having a mission, a defined set of non-negotiables will ensure that you start 2026 with the momentum that you want and need rather than the regret that so many men experience year over year.
00:33:52.080From there, focus on execution, not just reflection, but execution as well.
00:33:55.780You got to build systems, simplify your routines, time blocking, tighten up your social circles and friends and challenges that will force you to grow, not be comfortable.
00:34:09.620Guys, use the final weeks of the year to deepen your relationships with your family, fortify brotherhood and lead into the new year.
00:34:17.460Now, if you want help doing this and you want a brotherhood of men who are working to do the same thing, then join us inside of our proven brotherhood and systems called the Iron Council.
00:36:12.740What do you think about some of these other ideologies that tend to be cyclical?
00:36:17.480You have Zora Mondani in New York and you see the rise of socialism and potentially even communism with young people, it seems like, and educated females.
00:36:32.940Do you think that this is a bigger play than people are just sick and tired of the status quo or what they're seeing in culture today?
00:36:40.420It's a complete rebellion against our very foundation.
00:36:43.400It just means that in New York City, where they elected Islamic mayor, who is against capitalism as well.
00:36:54.000It's like the financial heart of our country has a socialist in charge who hates our founding and is following in a completely different religion.
00:38:47.520I'm just saying the same old Declaration of Independence, same old Constitution stuff, same old Bible stuff, same old morality stuff that's been true for as long as America's been alive.
00:42:05.900That was just legendary feast we ended up having.
00:42:09.260And I'll never forget the boys just slapping the daylights out of you.
00:42:15.580They're running around with their shirts off and they're slapping each other and beating each other up and running around in that creek back there.
00:43:06.660Well, a lot of moms who are more prone to nurturing miss the rough and tumble, the difficulty, the skin knees, the risk-taking, the adventure.
00:43:19.360And to them, it's keep them safe and give them academics.
00:43:22.040And I'm like, hey, they're going to learn far more out in the trees doing stick fighting and inventing games and pushing the envelope and taking risks and learning skills and growing into all kinds of just different protector, provider skills and attributes.
00:43:41.040They're learning more by being around a man, a dad, than they are in school.
00:43:50.840And we need to allow our boys opportunity for pain and suffering and for trying things and failing and finding adventure and flexing creative muscles and taking risks.
00:44:03.820And if you don't allow them to opportunity to take risks, what a lot of moms don't understand is you're taking a terrible, terrible risk in not allowing them to take physical risks.
00:44:18.460And what you risk is failure to launch.
00:44:21.180You create a very weak boy who's afraid of his own shadow.
00:44:25.760And one day he grows up and he doesn't really launch and he's afraid to ask the girl out.
00:44:33.580He's afraid to start any endeavor because he was never allowed to take risks.
00:44:37.120And so keeping the boy from risks sabotages his future and, uh, doesn't allow him to pass into masculinity.
00:44:45.100My wife understood this early on and she's helping other women and men to be able to get on the same page so that they can team together to understand what does dad bring to parenting?
00:44:58.320A lot of moms will invite dad into like, Hey, why won't you help me with this?
00:45:06.440And then defend the kids against the dad.
00:45:08.020It happens everywhere, all the time, every day.
00:45:10.780Uh, and so what happens is, is that happens enough.
00:45:13.560And the guy's like, I'm not falling for that.
00:45:15.440As soon as I try, you know, I end up, I face the kids.
00:45:19.480Mom doesn't like my tone or she doesn't like the punishment I came up with or the discipline or the standard, or that's too hard.
00:45:24.920So she invites dad and then protects, uh, the kids from dad.
00:45:28.720And dad's like, well, I'm, I'm going to go find a hobby in the garage.
00:45:31.960You, you let me know when you're really ready for me to help.
00:45:34.300And they don't know how to articulate that.
00:45:36.640But what my wife's book, Boyhood Resurrected does is it brings up, uh, you know, the, uh, how a boy needs that risk and needs that adventure and needs that play and needs the rights of passage afforded by a father.
00:45:50.500And the wife needs to be able to advocate for the way that a dad can get involved.
00:45:56.760But really what the book does for both women and men is it brings them both together so that they are on the same team and on board with what each person brings to the table.
00:46:07.660And the kid is going to flourish when dad gets his way sometimes and mom gets his way sometimes.
00:46:13.200And particularly with boys, when they are starting off as little babies, it's the mom show and it's going to stay that way for a little while.
00:46:21.060And then as they grow up, it tilts more and more till it becomes more about the dad show and the boys, as they grow stronger, they see mom, not just as nurturing caretaker.
00:46:31.920They see mom as that's our girl and we're tasked to protect and provide.
00:46:36.520So right now my boys are transitioning in their 11 and 13.
00:46:40.540They're seeing mom as more of she, I need to help dad protect and provide for our girl.
00:46:47.620And so they're regulating more on their own.
00:47:12.560And so my wife sought to resurrect boyhood in a way that worked for the whole family in a real good way and launched them into masculinity.
00:47:22.140And it included the dad and the parenting strategy.
00:47:25.780I think it's, I also think it's so good coming from a woman.
00:47:30.100Uh, and, and I might've, I might not have said that five, six, seven years ago, but we have an entire fleet of single mothers who are raising boys on their own, who may not listen to the way that you and I say things because of that nurturing overriding mechanism they have, which is lovely.
00:47:48.260It's beautiful, but if it doesn't have that other side, the masculine side, it can be a real challenge, but coming from a woman, it might be easier to hear.
00:47:57.520It might be easier to take on and to actually understand that this is not a man trying to put a woman down or keep her barefoot and pregnant and under his rule, but that this is actually good and true and right for our young men.
00:48:10.340That's right. Yeah. That's a good word.
00:48:13.320I heard a, uh, an interesting analogy when it came to, you know, how a dad always wants to toss his kid up in the air.
00:48:19.740And I can't remember who said this. And the person who was sharing this analogy said, how high do you toss the child?
00:48:25.140And the answer was, uh, probably not as high as mom would like, but a little higher than, uh, or excuse me, not as, not as high as dad would like, but a little higher than mom would like.
00:48:35.740And it's about finding the right place to, uh, toss that child up in the air.
00:48:40.960It's scary for mom to let dad, uh, lead her, her kids into risk. It's a scary thing.
00:48:48.760I just, uh, rode on my motorcycle to church this last Sunday. I don't ride very often. Everyone's on their phones.
00:48:55.680Uh, and so the roads are scarier than when I was riding my bike 20 years ago, but some dudes from church, they were all riding motorcycles to church.
00:49:03.440They hatched that plan. And so I rode my motorcycle to church as well. And, um, on the way to church, I brought one of my boys on the back every day.
00:49:13.380When I go to church, I bring one of my boys with me and we have a heart to heart talk and check in and talk about whatever could be facing them.
00:49:21.920It's just, uh, you know, unfiltered everything, but, but father, son check-in time every Sunday morning.
00:49:28.720Uh, and so a boy always rides with me to church and then the other boy rides back.
00:49:33.680So anyway, I was riding a motorcycle and she really didn't feel comfortable with that.
00:49:37.280And I watched her struggle. Uh, cause she even said, if I don't, I don't feel comfortable.
00:49:44.060And, um, I'm like this, this is, this is a risk, but, uh, I'm taking these precautions.
00:49:52.940We're not on big interstates or anything else like that. DOT approved helmets. I'm going to be super safe.
00:49:59.500And this is something that, that should happen. This is something she should happen.
00:50:03.140And she had to swallow that and, and, and she did, and she did it bravely.
00:50:07.020But I watched her even this last Sunday, it was a struggle. It was very, very difficult.
00:50:13.180My wife can struggle for it because she understands in not letting our boys take risks.
00:50:18.820And this is not all risk. It's just calculated risk. That's why it can be a conversation.
00:50:22.980Uh, and so I like what you said, even of higher than mom wants, but not quite as high as dad wants.
00:50:27.660That's a fun, loving compromise that dad can do. And it's, uh, our desire is dads to be like,
00:50:33.500no, I'm right. And then, uh, I'm going to do it and don't stand in my way. It's like, no,
00:50:37.360I'd like to be sweet with my wife and kind to her and, and yield some to her counsel as well.
00:50:43.140And so, uh, this needs to happen. This other risk, maybe you're, she's right of like, we don't need
00:50:48.900to do that. Motorcycles are a dumb idea. It's you're straddling an engine on two wheels in a
00:50:55.300world where everyone's texting while driving. Uh, it's like, that's a really dumb idea. So to my
00:51:00.920wife's point, she's probably right. Um, but, uh, so, um, when I was growing up, I'd go on long,
00:51:08.380like road trips on the motorcycle with my dad. When I was a boy, I don't really feel comfortable
00:51:13.580doing that anymore. People just aren't, aren't attuned. And I've been in a pretty bad motorcycle
00:51:18.860wreck as well. Uh, so it can happen. You can do everything right. And then die on a motorcycle.
00:51:24.260You could do everything right and die. So, um, anyway, in loving kindness, I'm trying to concede
00:51:31.880to my wife some, but recognize if you don't let your boys take risks and do dangerous stuff,
00:51:37.600you're going to make them weak and they need to be strong. If they're going to be productive
00:51:43.780members of society, if they're meant to one day grow up and have their own families, they
00:51:48.180need to be strong, familiar with risk and know how to calculate it and to be able to overcome.
00:51:54.360And so that start that's in daily life stuff. And so the, the wife risks something terrible
00:52:01.500when she doesn't let the boy risk and that she is going to, uh, grow a weak beta male
00:52:09.200who's incapable of stewarding a family.
00:52:14.000You know, one of the things I hear when you talk about this, John, is that your wife trusts
00:52:18.520you, you know, she trusts you to take him on that, that motorcycle and she's willing to acquiesce
00:52:23.020to some degree, as long as it's calculated and the precautions have been, been, uh, enacted,
00:52:27.560but that requires a level of trust. And I see a lot of men. I talk with men every day
00:52:31.940as you do too, who questioned why their wives won't follow their lead. And I can't help, but
00:52:37.960wonder why should they, why should they, what in your history of this relationship has proven
00:52:45.560to her that she can do that? Do you follow through on your word? Um, do you honor your commitments?
00:52:51.280Do you show up fully? Do you know how to sacrifice for the family? Are you out there just chasing
00:52:55.920what you want to chase all the time? And I wish more men understood that not because
00:52:59.860we need to just be subservient to women, but because that's your partner. That's, that's
00:53:06.400who you said you wanted to do life with. So if you want her to follow you, then you better
00:53:11.780be worth following. And when she says, Rebecca says to you, okay, I trust you. Even if she
00:53:16.780doesn't explicitly say that, but lets you go on the bike ride, that means there's a level
00:53:21.020of trust that you've built up over years. And so I commend you for that. I just wanted
00:53:24.180to recognize that and acknowledge that. Thank you. Thank you for that, Ryan. Um, when it
00:53:29.800comes to leadership, first off elephant in the room, you'd have to ideologically agree
00:53:35.040that there should be a leader in the marriage. There's a lot of folks out there that think
00:53:39.980that it should be 50 50. And I understand why that may have the appearance of wisdom. I would
00:53:47.300just say, I hear that it doesn't actually work anywhere ever. No company has two CEOs. Uh,
00:53:56.720a team never has two head coaches. A steer, a car has one steering wheel. Could you imagine
00:54:02.460if we steered at 50 50 from the passenger seat of like, there'd be a disaster. No, nowhere
00:54:08.840do you have anything happening where, where you don't have a leader truly. And so a lot of marriages,
00:54:15.420I'm sorry, not a lot, all marriages that claim a 50 50 leadership, they're fooling themselves.
00:54:22.000Someone is, it is tilted in favor of someone is pulling the strings. It could be that the gal,
00:54:29.060you know, whenever she really wants something, she gets emotional, you know, and there's a fight
00:54:34.000and then there's a cry and he says, I'm sorry. And then they don't do it her way. Uh, or she'll
00:54:38.260just nag and hen peck and whatnot. And he'll just finally be like, yeah, whatever makes you happy.
00:54:42.700And then she's able to kind of emotionally lead that or withhold sex or a woman has a
00:54:47.840whole bunch of different levers that she can pull to kind of manipulate and tilt to their
00:54:52.060way. And they'll sell themselves and their partner that it's 50 50. It is impossible that
00:54:58.620it's going to be 50 50. It is tilted one way or the other. It's just a matter of what in
00:55:02.840our feministic times, uh, women are of the opinion of no man is ever going to tell me what
00:55:09.940to do. I'm strong and I'm independent and I'm not submissive to anyone. I'm equal then.
00:55:16.460And then they go to work pulling all the strings on what they want, but she'll let him choose
00:55:21.620where we're going to go to eat of like anywhere you want. And then a list like 12 places. And
00:55:26.140then finally on the 13th, she'll be like, yes, that, and he was fine with any of it, but she
00:55:30.380saw that as I'm letting him lead. See, I'll eat anywhere you want. And then he says 13 things.
00:55:35.920And finally on the 13th, she says, okay, sure. If that's what you want. And he's like, it's not
00:55:40.380what I want. But, uh, the couple is lying to themselves. So first off, you have to decide,
00:55:46.920do we want to, do we believe that a marriage should have a leader? Right. And then you have
00:55:53.880to decide, and that, that leader should be the man. Now, from a secular perspective, good luck winning
00:55:59.720that argument, especially in today's culture and getting your wife truly on board with it.
00:56:04.340Uh, maybe if you're a terrific leader, she'll default to really, uh, she'll, she'll default
00:56:11.000and, and follow your leadership. That's quite a high, high bar. Um, but perhaps if you were
00:56:18.240exceptional man, you'll get your wife on board. Um, she'll follow you because you're so ridiculously
00:56:24.840worthy of it. She'll deny her own desire for control. Very, very difficult to do her own fears
00:56:32.960about giving control to you. Even if you were a great leader, most women will not want to submit
00:56:38.280to that because they're fearful and they have their own ideas. And, uh, you know, they're trained
00:56:44.680even from little kids through just all kinds of movie and propaganda. No man should ever tell you
00:56:50.100what to do, you know? And so they, they're naturally primed to not want to follow. This even goes back to
00:56:56.700the fall where Eve, uh, is told by God in, in the curse, your desire will be for your husband,
00:57:03.720but he will rule over you. Uh, so meaning a woman will have a natural desire to take the reins of
00:57:11.300leadership that does not belong to her in a marriage. Now in a Christian marriage, like ours,
00:57:15.260a biblical marriage, uh, Ephesians five, first Peter three, uh, first Timothy two, first Corinthians
00:57:23.22011 over and over and over the Bible says the man is the head of the household. A man is the head of
00:57:30.460the wife just as much, just like Jesus is the head of the church. And then it'll go on to say words
00:57:36.840like she should submit to her husband, follow her husband, obey her husband. And that's, I mean, just
00:57:43.840women will screech at the idea of it of like, well, what if he abuses that? What if he makes me do stuff
00:57:51.520I don't want to do of like, I don't want to make the same. I want to go out and work for the man,
00:57:55.940not work for my husband of there's all kinds of fear things that could come up, but just biblically
00:58:00.700speaking, the wife is called to submit. That means to come under, uh, the leadership of her husband,
00:58:07.840meaning the buck stops with him. He is in charge, uh, and you're not. And then the man is supposed to
00:58:13.220use that authority to exalt his wife and take care of her and make sure that her life is easier than
00:58:19.820his life. And he's carrying more of a burden than she is. And he's taking care of her and he's relying
00:58:25.980on her counsel because she's supposed to be your helper. You're the leader and she's the helper,
00:58:30.740but you're on the same mission, uh, taking care of each other in different roles, your co equal and
00:58:37.720value, but different in role and responsibility and authority. And, and that's a hard thing to do.
00:58:43.900The man can't demand it out of his wife. It would do zero good for your, uh, for your, um,
00:58:50.400followers to go to their wife in the midst of a fight and be like, I'm in charge and you need to
00:58:55.020follow me or you're, you know, not following Bible and where it'd be true. You just wouldn't
00:58:59.580get anywhere with it. It's just completely stupid. Uh, instead my wife has chosen and it's very difficult
00:59:07.000sometimes. And since we've got a lot of reps, it's very easy most of the time for my wife to submit
00:59:12.240to me. Cause one, once she found out that when she re submitted to me, what she's doing is respecting
00:59:17.980me. She's saying, I'm going to follow you because I trust your leadership. I trust your ability. I
00:59:24.840trust your strength. I trust your wisdom. I respect you. That's what it all means. I hold all your
00:59:33.400aptitude, your hard work, your decision-making and your leadership in high regard. I respect you.
00:59:39.820And that's what a man feels when the moment a man feels he has the confidence,
00:59:45.560follow ship and respect of his wife. He is ready to do wildly romantic, romantic things
00:59:52.140because she offers that he's ready to, to give her the moon, you know, of like, uh, um, I serve my
01:00:00.300wife and love my wife and take care of my wife. That's my girl, you know? And so I use my leadership
01:00:07.180as a way to exalt her. I'm going to make sure we spend more money on her than me.
01:00:11.740Well, you know, like a lot of times we'll have a disagreement on something. We'll go with what
01:00:15.780she thinks because she feels passionate about this. And I don't really have much of a dog in
01:00:19.460the fight. We'll go with what she said. All right. Yeah, we're, we're good. And other times I just
01:00:22.960pull rank, particularly when she's low on energy, she's working too hard. She's about to go do some
01:00:29.680tasks and she really needs to take a break. I've seen it. And I'm like, maybe, nope, you got to sit
01:00:34.940this one out. And she's like, I think I should go. I'm like, you should not go. This is what I
01:00:38.680want you to do. I want you to go upstairs and I want you to watch that, uh, cooking show that you
01:00:44.380like in the castles thing. And I want you to get some blankets and do that. And then I want you to
01:00:49.560go antique shopping and you're not going to do these responsibilities. And if anyone asks you,
01:00:53.960you can just put, make me the bad guy and be like, um, my husband asked me to, to, to sit this
01:01:00.400one out and I followed him. Uh, and so I'll, uh, my wife is really good at loving our son. She's not
01:01:06.100as good at loving herself and I'm going to make sure that she's loved. And so I pulled rank. This
01:01:11.620happened, uh, this week. I don't pull rank very often. I'm not being like, I'm in charge. She submits,
01:01:17.640uh, to me because she's submitting to Christ. She's choosing submission. I can't demand it out of her.
01:01:24.020And so she is choosing to do this because this is, this is a truth and this will hit some people
01:01:28.520real bad. If you're claiming to be a Christian and you are unsubmissive to your husband, then you
01:01:33.720are unsubmissive to Christ. You are in rebellion against what God's structured, ordered, uh, way of
01:01:42.260how a home should function. You are seizing the mantle of authority. You're, uh, disregarding the
01:01:49.140authority of your husband. And in so doing, you're disregarding the authority of Christ who authorizes
01:01:53.940him as the head of the house, just as he is the head of the church. And that's a hard,
01:01:58.520hard word for a gal to hear. You can't be, uh, a wife can't be submissive to Christ and
01:02:05.600unsubmissive to her husband at the same time. You can't do it. And then there's some commentary
01:02:09.260of what if he asks such and such read first Peter three. You also never have to follow your
01:02:14.240husband's leadership into sin. So you never have to do that. If it's a sinful thing, disregard what
01:02:20.340your husband's saying, you don't follow him into sin, but if it's not a sin issue, you're supposed
01:02:24.720to follow your husband's leadership. And so that's really hard. That's really, really hard
01:02:30.420for gals to choose to willingly submit to. And it's really hard for guys to not take advantage
01:02:38.280of that and to be harsh with them and to take the mantle of authority to abuse thinking that
01:02:44.420she's there to serve you instead of she's there to help on a godly mission in a fallen world.
01:02:51.540Well, John, it sounds like you're doing, and I know you do a lot of work with obviously helping
01:02:55.680men, uh, live up to that standard as well. We're going to do an iron council exclusive segment.
01:03:01.900I got some questions for you, but before we get into that, why don't you let everybody who's
01:03:05.600listening currently know how to get ahold of you, pick up copies of the books and figure out more
01:03:10.780about what you guys are up to. Sure. So our website's warrior poet society.com from there, you can find
01:03:16.520all our, of our social media handles. You'll find warrior poet society on YouTube. You'll
01:03:21.440find us on Instagram and Facebook and X and, and all the things. If you want to join our inner
01:03:27.500kind of circle, that's on watch wpsn.com. That's where we have our show, like the rally point,
01:03:33.420which is like a live call in show. And so that's a little different, uh, but that's our warrior poet
01:03:38.580app. And so the coolest way where you can kind of join warrior poet society is you get the warrior
01:03:43.140poet app. Uh, so that that's, that's joining us, but any of that stuff, uh, yeah, I'd appreciate it.
01:03:48.640Thanks brother. Okay. We'll sync it all up. So the guys know where to go. Appreciate you, John.
01:03:52.780Thanks, bro. One of the things that we offer inside of our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council is
01:03:58.740exclusive content with our guests this week. We've got five or six different questions from iron
01:04:04.680council members where they got to ask John those questions. Now you just listened to the full
01:04:09.120conversation with the one and only John level. If you do join us in the iron council, you will unlock
01:04:14.480access to additional questions. Like I said, we had five or six questions this week, but a couple
01:04:19.880that we had had to do with the warrior poet paradox being dangerous and also being good. Uh, we also
01:04:27.800talked about what he would do if he were a middle school wrestling coach. John talked a lot about how
01:04:35.060his wrestling days, uh, as a young man were formative years for him. And we also talked about areas that a
01:04:43.300father can support his homeschooling wife for their children. A lot of other great questions in there
01:04:48.980wanted to make that available to you. And I threw a few answers just so you could hear this exclusive
01:04:54.260content. Make sure you join us inside the iron council. This one comes from William Pinnell. He says,
01:05:01.020I teach in public school. My wife homeschools our nine-year-old son. I assist by doing PE, art, music,
01:05:08.220and other quote unquote manly activities as a supplement to her core curriculum. Are there any
01:05:13.820areas that you might suggest that a father can support his homeschooling wife? For the record,
01:05:18.460she has a degree in education and special education with 20 years of experience. So she has a strong
01:05:23.500grasp of her role. I like this couple a lot. I like that, uh, they have taken their kids out of government
01:05:29.820school, which is a really good move, but he's staying in government school to affect change. Cause right
01:05:35.760now government school is a fallen institution that is led by the state with a very specific curriculum
01:05:40.840so that even really good teachers can't paddle upstream fast enough to counteract all the kids
01:05:47.560being swept down current in a postmodern perverse, uh, an ideologically Marxist way. It's, it's a bad,
01:05:56.940bad situation. Get your kids out of government schools immediately. Uh, and so they did that. Uh,
01:06:01.880but he's staying to help try to redeem that institution as well, to be a good light in a
01:06:07.740very dark place, but their kids aren't suffering the consequences of this ideological, uh, um,
01:06:14.540toxic place. So I really like the setup, uh, right now. And I just wanted to, to pause and commend that
01:06:21.360as far as joining with her, when they're younger boys, you should be teaching them how to chop firewood
01:06:26.640and change oil and vehicles. And this is how we do knots and this is how we start fires. And, uh,
01:06:31.700here, here's some, uh, here's how to throw a punch and here's let's do jujitsu and let's do hard things
01:06:37.620and let's hike up a mountain, all that stuff, everything you're using as a man from being able
01:06:43.140to reset flip breakers and use a power drill, all of that stuff as whenever you have to do anything
01:06:50.520as a man, you invite your boys in to learn how to do that. And so you build constantly lots of skills
01:06:57.140that amounts to a rite of passage for your boys. So that, that's, that should always be happening
01:07:01.480right there. As they become teenagers, you're, you're going to have a time where mom tags out
01:07:07.000and dad tags in more where you're teaching him all the skills you need as a man. And it's more life
01:07:13.800skills and you're teaching them sales and conflict resolution and how taxes work and how, uh,
01:07:20.080insurance works and how to handle finances and all this other stuff. School is not going to teach
01:07:27.120them all the most basic stuff that a pro protector provider needs. And so the dad needs to be filling
01:07:32.160in all that. We rely too much on academia to provide essential skills of masculinity when really our
01:07:39.400typical curriculums aren't teaching much of the stuff that, that men actually need of like, you need
01:07:45.540rhetoric and logic. You need to know how to do sales. Don't you know, salesmen never starve.
01:07:49.720You need lots of public speaking. You know, you need to be able to do some finance stuff. Do you
01:07:55.180know anything about investing? That's all the core stuff. You know, it's not algebra too, which is
01:08:00.880compared to the other stuff, a colossal waste of time. They'll never need algebra too in a job.
01:08:06.080And right now someone is hot in the comments and be like, that's not true. Uh, because what about an
01:08:10.320engineer or whatever of like, all right, take the people that are going to use algebra too and let them
01:08:14.920go into college or, or, or high, like an apprenticeship to learn that. And let's let
01:08:21.520the general public learn how to do taxes, which everyone will need and no one's learning in school.
01:08:27.080Uh, so by design, by design. Yeah. It's to make us stupid with a feeling of education.