KEVIN SORBO ｜ The Cultural Battleground For Masculinity
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Actor and producer Kevin Sorbo joins host Ryan Mickler to talk about the battle of ideologies taking place within Hollywood, the hijacking of the entertainment industry, and hot cultural buttons like transgenderism, unvetted immigrants, and so much more.
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it's no great surprise that many of our cultural institutions are actively rallying against
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masculinity and the virtues that have made this country great. Nowhere is that truer and more
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accurate than with the Hollywood elites who shape much of the cultural ideology that is so pervasive
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in society today. Today, I'm joined by actor Kevin Sorbo to talk about what it looks like
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from the inside and how he and a few others are working to shift the cultural and societal
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conversations happening there. Today, we talk about the overt emasculation of men, the hijacking
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of Hollywood, the battle of ideologies taking place in the entertainment industry, and also
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hot cultural buttons like transgenderism, unvetted illegal immigrants, the dangers of the world
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economic forum, and so much more. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your
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fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time.
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This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and
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done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm your
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host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. I have a very exciting podcast for you
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today with a man that probably doesn't need a whole lot of introduction for a lot of you. His
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name is Kevin Sorbo. We'll get into that because it's a very important discussion that's taking
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place and one that I think a lot of the times we just tend to overlook because we believe that we
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have lost the battle already for the entertainment industry. And if we can win the cultural ideology
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battle inside of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, that is a huge victory because it does
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shape so much of the way that most of society looks at masculinity and these societal issues.
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So again, MontanaKnifeCompany.com, use the code ORDER OF MAN. All right, guys, let me introduce
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you to Kevin. He's an actor and producer. Again, his name is Kevin Sorbo. If you're roughly my age,
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within a few years, give or take, you may remember Kevin from one of his most well-known roles,
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Hercules. But what you may not know is the cultural battle that he's been fighting inside the walls of
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the entertainment industry. He's an outspoken advocate for conservative principles and ideas.
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Kevin has been fighting an uphill battle in an industry notorious for canceling actors who don't
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agree with the prevailing current narrative. In addition to his acting career, Kevin has built
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his own production company, Sorbo Studios, which makes wholesome, very value-driven films, including
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Miracle in East Texas. And he's also the author of his latest book. It's his children's book. It's
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called The Test of Lionhood by Brave Books. Guys, this is a man who has constantly been willing to put
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his livelihood on the line for what he believes. And I think regardless of where we sit on the
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discussion, we can all respect that. Kevin, so good to see you. Thanks for joining me on the podcast
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today. My pleasure. It's good to be here. You're a bit of an anomaly in Hollywood based on... I followed
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you on Twitter for some time now, X, I guess now it is. And obviously a little bit of your career
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growing up watching Hercules and things like this. Yeah, it's pretty interesting to see what
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you're talking about and know that you're in Hollywood because this is not normal relative
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to what we see for the Hollywood left. Yeah, I don't fit in too well there. I was never really
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a Hollywood guy to begin with. I grew up in a small town of Minnesota, grew up with good values,
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great parents, church every Sunday, sports, all that stuff. My buddies are still guys I've known
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since grade school. And I got out there and I know it's a business and I know the politics of it.
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I know the craziness of it. And I'm not good at playing those games. I just went out there because
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I love acting. I love being involved in the business. I love the creating of movies and
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television shows. So when I moved out there, I didn't really... I didn't on purpose push myself
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away from Hollywood, but at the same time, I didn't embrace the BS that goes with it, I guess,
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and playing those stupid games. I was fortunate enough to make a very good living. I'm still
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working. But about 11, 12 years ago, I got booted out. My agent manager said,
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we can't work anymore because of your politics. And I just thought that was so funny because
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Hollywood really was started with conservatives. That's how it all started out. It wasn't really
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until... You had liberals in there. I mean, you're going to mix everybody through the decades,
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but it really wasn't until the 60s when things really started changing.
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But I never backed down from a good debate on a set with somebody. If we had different points
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of view, I was not there to argue. I was like, I'm happy to hear the other point of view. But I
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just kept fighting away and eventually got too much for them and they booted me out. And I formed
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Sorbo Studios. And my wife and I have been doing our own movies ever since, a lot of independent
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movies. And in fact, I'm filming one right now. I got four in post-production. I got two movies,
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two documentaries that are coming out this spring and summer. So, you know, I'm not going to get the
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big, big budget movies anymore, but I'm staying busy in the industry I love and I'm doing movies
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that I want to do. It's always interesting to me. And I don't want to be insulting at all when I say
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this, but it's always interesting to me when I see how much stock people put into what actors think
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because they portray some sort of virtuous character. When that's their job, their job is,
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and I'm not saying it's probably the way that you would agree with. So please correct me if I'm wrong,
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is to make us believe that they're something other than they actually are. But we just put
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too much stock into it, I think, at times. Oh, there's no question. Oh yeah, we get, look,
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we're kids. We're immature children in this industry. I mean, you get, you get paid to be,
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you know, if you're lucky enough to make a living at it, you're, you're, you're, you're portraying
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someone else. It's not even yourself in these roles. I mean, I think people, I think all actors bring
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part of themselves with the roles, but for the most part, you're a different character doing a,
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you know, a different life. I mean, I've played everything from a pastor to a, to a, a guy that
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was, you know, to a doctor, to a superhero, to whatever. So I'm not any of those things in real
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life, but I, I, I find it interesting. I agree with you when these people get up on these platforms
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and sit there and talk about their politics, like everybody's supposed to follow their politics when
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they talk of the Emmys and Golden Globes and Oscars, people are sick of it. That every one of these
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award shows for the last 10 years, I've been going straight downhill. People don't care. They don't,
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they're so tired of the woke crap of Hollywood, but I don't think, I don't think the, these A-listers
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care. I don't, they, they live in their own little bubble, their own little world. And, uh, they have
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no idea what it's like. It's like the Washington DC. They have no idea what the outside world is
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really like. So, um, to me, uh, unfortunately I got stuck in that world because I like it, but at the
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same time I, I don't fit in too well. And, um, that, that part is sort of frustrating, I guess,
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cause I'd love to be part of getting good, really big movies again, or big TV shows,
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but I realized that's not going to happen and that's fine. I'm still, you know, I do these
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three to $4 million movies and I get a lot of independent people coming to me to want me to be
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in their movies and, um, you know, knock on wood, I'm still, I'm still making a living at it.
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Yeah. Well, I I'm always, I'm always inspired by somebody who's takes what they're doing into
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their own hands. You're talking about creating your own movie studio, really the only person
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you can tell me if I'm wrong, but the only person that I can think of currently that maintains a
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more conservative, maybe even Christian set of values verbally, vocally, publicly, and has maintained
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that like a list status in Hollywood would be, would be somebody like Chris Pratt. I don't know
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if you agree with that, but what's up with that? How does that work for him? I don't know. I think
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it has reached a point where, you know, whoever thought about parks and recreation, he would lose
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40 pounds and be buffed up and do these superhero things. You can see when he started doing superheroes
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cause he turned from the guy on parks and rec to this Jack guy that I'm like, that guy actually
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looks pretty good. So you knew he was doing other movies. He started changing a little bit cause he knew
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these things were happening. So his career has been hotter than hot the last eight, nine years,
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10 years. And, um, I think because, I mean, he's getting attacked too, but I mean, I think because
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he's done so well with these big movies, um, and the audience from both sides of the political, I like
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the guy, uh, I think he's able to keep his career. I think a guy like John Voight, you know, he's up there.
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I think a guy like Clint Eastwood, 90 some years old, still making these movies and stuff. But, um,
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you know, there's, there's, there's a lot more conservatives in Hollywood than people are
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aware of. I mean, every movie I've been doing the last six, seven years, I get an actor, I get a
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director, I get a lighting guy, a camera guy, whatever comes up to me quietly and says, thanks
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for being a voice for us. And I go, dude, be a voice for yourself. Well, I don't want to get
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blacklisted like you. And I did, I got blacklisted, but, uh, you know, one door closed, another one
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open. So I'm saying, I'm, like I said, I'm staying busy. I'm just not going to get, uh, $20 million
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to do a $300 million movie. So good for Chris. I think that might change though. I mean, I look
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at, obviously, you know, you have characters like Hercules, which you played. And then, you know,
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I think about the movies that I grew up watching, which was, you know, Braveheart and Gladiator.
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You talk a lot about these masculine heroes. And I think that men in general, maybe even society
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are craving an actual manly heroic movie or series or whatever, because we've been inundated
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with things like Barbie and, you know, all these other movies that paint men as the, the
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bad guys and women as the victims and men need to act more like women. I think we're craving
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Yeah. I mean, it's not that you have to go out and kill people and stuff, but I think look,
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people look like a Denzel Washington, uh, doing the movies he's been doing. You look at, um,
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a Jack Reacher, the TV series right now, which is very successful. You look at Yellowstone,
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um, obviously very violent. There's some lot of evil people there too. But I think that I think
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people are looking at, uh, uh, they're tired of the wimps out there. There's so many, there's,
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there's been such an emasculation of men for decades and decades right now. And it's just,
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I think people have reached a point enough of this stuff, enough of these guys, these girly girls.
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And I think people are looking for people to, uh, to be, you know, there's a difference between men
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and women. It's as simple as that. People get mad at that statement, which cracks me up. Um,
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when these guys are saying they're women now, when they're going to these sports and they're
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beating the heck out of women, and now the boxing association has made it legal. They made it,
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they, they passed some sort of referendum that now, uh, a transgender, uh, female can now go boxing,
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uh, other women in the boxing ring. I mean, it's just, it's, it's unbelievably weird and childish
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and insane what we're doing right now, this world and shame on these parents for letting
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our daughters go against these guys, pull them out of that sport, go, go create your own swim team.
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You know, it goes, it's stupid for you while they're only in school once. Yeah. But you're
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letting them compete against men. And you guys know deep down, they know it's wrong. And for us to sit
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there and constantly tell, um, the world that this is normal and okay, there's nothing normal about it.
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It's not, I mean, I look, I know Bruce Jenner. I knew Bruce Jenner for many years before he became
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Caitlyn Jenner, but he didn't, he didn't change his sex when he was seven years old and some parents
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drag him down into a doctor's office and cut off his penis. So to me, it's, um, even he fights
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against that or she, I should say fights against that. No, you shouldn't, you shouldn't say it that
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way. I know he, she, I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't care. Cause it's weird to me.
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It's weird to me that we have to appease this crowd and appease them. And, uh, I, I look out
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and go, okay, what, what rights do you not have that you and I have rights in the transgender or
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even the gay world? Do they not have it's it's, they want better representation. Well, you know
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what the gay population in America depends on what you want to read is three to 4% of the population.
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Why are they in 90% of the movies and TV shows? That's over-representation have, have equal
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representation going with whatever, I guess. I just think it's just, it's crazy that we're just
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forcing the stuff down people's throats. And I think, I think most people like myself don't care
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what people do in their personal lives. I could care less. I think people are just getting tied
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up and shoved down the throat every single day that you're a homophobe, you're transgender, you're,
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you're, you know, you're whatever you're in. It's just like enough of this stuff. And you're racist.
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Yes. We're all racist. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's just, I, I, I've just had it. And
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I think more and more people are going to finally stand up and say enough is enough. And you see it
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starting to happen now. There's been a, there's been a tipping point. There's no question.
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Well, I mean, people will call me a misogynist and they'll call me a sexist. And at this point,
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none of those things mean anything to me. Number one, I don't believe anything that somebody would say
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if they would call me that I really don't, there's no credibility there. And number two,
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that word doesn't mean anything anymore because you've bastardized it and you've used it. You've
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it's like Nazi. If everybody's a Nazi, nobody's a Nazi. So let's reserve the word for actual Nazis.
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Let's reserve racism for actual racism. Let's reserve sexism for actual sexism, which is interesting
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because you see that a lot with sexism and even racism and they call it reverse racism or reverse
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sexism. It's not true. It's just racism. It's just sexism. There's no reverse anything.
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Yeah. I know black people that are racist as well. So give me a break.
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Of course. I mean, we, we all can be right. We all hear jokes or we all have our own biases or
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own experiences. Of course, that's a natural human experience.
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Of course it is. And it's, it's just, I never thought of the whole racist issue until Obama came
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along. He brought it to the forefront very quickly and use that play card. I mean, the guy, there's no
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question. The guy, um, is, is, is, uh, if he's not a Marxist, he certainly borderlines her. He's
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certainly a hardcore socialist. Uh, when he said, before he began president, once I'm president, I'm going to,
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I'm going to, uh, I'm going to transform America. What do you say? What was the words he used again?
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He's going to do something about transforming America. And I said to my wife, I said, if you
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said to me that when we're walking down the aisle, Oh, once we're married, I'm going to transform you.
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I wouldn't get married. It's just, it's just crazy. It's crazy. I mean, this is the best country in
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the world and we're trying to turn it into one of the worst countries in the world. And we're well on our
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way. I think we're a socialist country right now. And it's just only getting, there's, I think the stage is
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that just like the stages of socialism moving into communism, which is very close to socialism.
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So, um, we're, you know, we, we now attack people for, um, trying to live the American dream.
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We attack people working hard and creating a business and creating jobs for other people.
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They're the bad guy. I mean, you look, what's going on in Switzerland right now, these bozos,
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they're back to now talking about vaccine, vaccinating the world again. And, you know,
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they want more people to die. We're too crowded. We're not too crowded. I fly over America a lot.
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There's a lot, a lot of acreage I see with nobody living on it. So give me a break with
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this stuff, but fear is their favorite weapon. They love pushing fear in us and they're not
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going to stop using it until people stop being fearful.
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You talk about being from Minnesota. I hunt in Minnesota every year and I love the state
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and I have good friends in Minnesota and it's, uh, there's a lot of space. I'm not sure I want
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people to occupy it though. Cause I like, I like my space out there. That's for sure.
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Well, well, Minnesota has turned into a California with this policy.
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And the funny thing about it is all my friends are conservative back there and they're just like,
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oh, and they're rolling their eyes all the time. The stuff that they're doing that state is just
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sad. So what state are you in? Where are you at?
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I'm in Utah, but I fly out there to the Alexandria area each and every year. And I go hunt out there with
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some good friends. So, but it's more rural. It's not, it's not the, you know, Minneapolis and the
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blue areas. It's more rural. Like any state I was in Maine, the coastal cities, Portland,
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Bangor, things like this are, are liberal. The more rural areas, which is where I was,
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Of course. Of course. I know Alexandria very well. I got good friends up there. We had a
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buddy of mine back home in Minneapolis. I lived outside of Minneapolis on Lake Minnetonka and
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buddies of mine had a home on Lobster Lake up there, but I went to college at Moorhead State
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University of Fargo-Moorhead. So Alex was the halfway point from Minneapolis. It was St.
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Yeah. You know, one of the things that I like about what you're doing, and I didn't know this,
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you said that Hollywood used to be more conservative. I believe if that's the case,
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then liberalism and leftism has hijacked Hollywood. But I think that with what you're doing,
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you're tapping into a space that I believe most conservatives have left alone. And that's the arts.
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We've always looked at arts, or at least recently looked at arts as a leftist arena. And I think
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there's a lot of art, whether it's photography or filmmaking or cooking, culinary, these types of
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artistic ventures as more of a leftist thought than maybe more of a conservative thought. But I
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think there's a battle to be fought there. Well, there is. And I think you're seeing more and more
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independent filmmakers putting out movies with more of a positive message. Hollywood used to do that.
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Hollywood, the good guy won in the movies. You know, the good guy beat the bad guy. The guy in
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the white hat beat the guy in the black hat. And it's just, it's gotten more strange and strange of
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what they're trying to push on us. I mean, look at how, look at Disney's looking at a $1.5 billion
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loss. How long can Disney stay in business? Are they going to lose $1.5 billion every year in the
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movie industry? People are sick of the message they put up, but they don't look like they're ready
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to stop and change anything. But there are, there are more studios now. They're looking more for
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family fare. They're looking more for stuff because I get stopped all the time in airports and hotel
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lobbies. People say, please, please keep making the movies that you're making. But you know, the trouble
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is when I'm doing my $3 million movie, I don't have a $100 million advertising budget like they do for
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these $300 million Avengers and Spider-Man and Thor movies. So the battle we have is getting it out
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there because I get people that, you know, go to Sorbo Studios and say, Hey, I just saw this movie.
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What if? Well, I shot that 12 years ago, you know, but they just, they just heard about it now. And
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it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating. We don't have that power to get out there, promote these good
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movies that have family values in them. I think there's a, a, a, a double-edged sword here. And that is
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getting out there to support what, what you're doing and other people are doing and also not
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engaging in, in companies and behavior that we don't approve of. I think a great example of that
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is Bud Light. I'm not sure there's another example that was as powerful as the amount of money and
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Disney's definitely tap dancing on that line of the amount of money they've lost because conservative
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people have decided, you know what? We're just not going to support this company anymore. And we're
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going to vote with our dollars. And we're actually beginning to see that the conservative ideology
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or idea with, with voting for our dollars or not voting for certain companies can actually work
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if we do it. Well, it works to a degree, but the reality is if you're going to, if you're going to
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not buy Bud Light, then you better not buy their other beers too, because they own a lot of beers.
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You know, they got the Michelob with the Michelob dry or whatever. They own a lot of different
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brands all under the same umbrella. So if you really want to hurt them, but you know, they're,
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they're going back at strong right now with advertising. I saw Peyton Manning's doing a
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commercial for it now getting Bud Light for everybody in the, in the bar. They show it in
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all the sports games now. So, and I know that Kid Rock came back out and he said, you know what?
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We're hurting the blue collar workers inside these breweries, which is true. And most of those guys
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work in those breweries, I can almost guarantee. Yeah, but those look, people aren't going to stop
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drinking beer. Those jobs don't just disappear. They just migrate. They just move. People don't stop
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drinking beer. No, no, they don't. I know, but I'm just saying, I don't think it hurt the company as
00:20:49.540
much as people think it did, but, but the statement was there, which is good. Right. Right. What made
00:20:56.660
you decide that you were going to step away? Cause there was a real risk of you deciding to be vocal
00:21:02.580
about your beliefs. And, and obviously it was antithetical to what most of Hollywood believed.
00:21:08.320
It'd be very easy for you to just be quiet. And I think a lot of people are, like you said earlier,
00:21:13.180
why did you decide to be vocal about it? Well, I never, I never really stopped being vocal about
00:21:18.340
it, but I think social media just sort of amplified that voice. I mean, I just, I was posting stuff on
00:21:23.620
Facebook. Facebook took me down three years ago for posting the truth about COVID. I was posting all,
00:21:29.440
Hey, look at these 10,000 doctors are saying about mask wearing that it's BS. It does nothing.
00:21:34.380
And of course you get attacked by people. But of course now, as a couple of years have gone by
00:21:38.680
more and more doctors to come out and go, yeah, the mask wearing was kind of useless. And it is,
00:21:42.520
we all know it. We all knew it. We knew that 10 days into it. I was just so stupid. And then,
00:21:47.780
but I, my wife warned me about it about a dozen years ago. You better be careful, you know? And I
00:21:52.060
remember guys, other actors coming up, man, you know, the words get around about, you know,
00:21:56.740
words get around about me. I didn't think I was saying, I wasn't like attacking anybody. I was just
00:22:01.360
saying the opposite of what Hollywood was saying in a lot of issues. Now I'm going, well, let's talk
00:22:06.080
about our public schools, guys. You think they're so great? They suck. I mean, the statistics are
00:22:11.040
there that how bad our public education system is and how it's brainwashing kids. And now look at
00:22:16.200
our universities. I mean, I just did a movie that we had a young girl playing that she was 21 years
00:22:21.380
old, a senior in college. And during the break, I asked her during filming, I said, so what are you
00:22:25.680
studying in college? She said, gender studies. Well, what the hell is gender? I said, I could
00:22:31.760
have saved your parents $200,000. Here you go. Ready? Male, female. Done. It's over. The end.
00:22:38.760
Simple as that. What kind of job is she going to get seriously besides working at Starbucks afterwards?
00:22:44.840
I mean, what is she, she'll go into teaching more gender studies to people that just, it's,
00:22:50.580
it's what, and universities allow that. They've created gender studies as an actual degree.
00:22:56.740
Get a real degree if you're going to college, guys. But when you get a guy like Bill Maher,
00:23:00.380
I mean, look at Bill Maher. Look at the stuff he's been saying lately. He came out about a month ago
00:23:04.460
and said, do not send your kids to universities. This has come from Bill Maher, who's a pretty liberal
00:23:09.180
guy. And he's saying more and more things over the last couple of years saying, it's, he said,
00:23:15.100
the left is going, is getting so crazy. This woke stuff is just stupid. All these comedians,
00:23:19.500
all these left wing comedians, Seinfeld. He said, I'm not going to go play his universities
00:23:24.020
anymore. It's a waste of my time. These kids are just idiots. And they're, and Seinfeld said that
00:23:28.800
Seinfeld said that he hasn't done colleges in about three years now. He's totally stopped.
00:23:35.340
Yeah. I mean, I know Bill Maher, like, obviously I don't, I don't agree with a whole lot of his
00:23:38.680
politics, but at least the guy is willing to examine it. And I think that's what we need to be
00:23:42.880
more aware of is, is can we just look at it objectively and ask ourselves if this is
00:23:49.380
moving? I don't mind if somebody disagrees with me. I don't mind if somebody sees it differently,
00:23:53.340
but when they start to threaten my own way of life or prosperity for my kids or this country,
00:23:58.680
I take issue with that. And I think somebody like Bill Maher is at least willing to be
00:24:02.360
intellectually honest and engage in a, in a healthy discussion, although we may see it differently.
00:24:08.540
Well, it's already happened to me. I mean, in the last three years, I used to do quite a few of
00:24:12.660
these autograph shows, these comic-con shows because of Hercules and my series Andromeda.
00:24:16.720
And now these guys that run these comic-cons, okay, we got like 20 emails from people saying
00:24:21.540
that you better not let Sorbo be there. Otherwise we're going to cause problems. I'm going,
00:24:25.820
you're going to have 50,000 people there and 20 emails. 20 people.
00:24:29.680
Stop having me come. Number one, these punks won't even show up. I guarantee you.
00:24:33.740
They're not even going to attend, right? They don't want tickets.
00:24:35.660
Number two, number two, they probably work for Soros. They're probably unemployed. They're
00:24:40.160
probably 35 living in their mom's basement. They're probably raised without a father. I mean,
00:24:44.280
I'm sure there's a common denominator with these losers and they spend this much time on their
00:24:48.660
computer to attack me on Twitter. I laugh at that stuff. I'm going, my God, anybody I don't agree
00:24:54.080
with, I'm not going to waste my time hoping this guy posts pretty soon so I can attack him. I mean,
00:24:59.060
it's just, it's amazing to me. It's just, uh, and, but for me to not be able to face my attackers,
00:25:04.680
my accusers and, um, have a debate with them and have, they're able to cost me jobs and cost me work.
00:25:11.700
This it's, it's, it's so ridiculous right now. I would love to meet these people and have a,
00:25:16.320
have a conversation. I would love to see where their mindset is and see how, how, how right I am
00:25:21.900
about guessing who they really are. Well, I think one of the things I appreciate most about what
00:25:27.940
you're doing is there's a lot of people who will complain. And of course we're problem solving
00:25:32.780
machines. So we look for things that are problems. We look for things that are wrong, but very few
00:25:37.880
people of all of us who look for things that are wrong, actually do something about it. And you're
00:25:42.400
putting your money where your mouth is by investing in, in, in writing books, investing in starting
00:25:49.000
your own companies and producing your own films. I think that's where you can tell somebody serious.
00:25:54.860
Is this a guy that's sitting in mommy and daddy's basement running his mouth about who knows what,
00:25:59.820
or is this a guy who's willing to put literally millions of dollars into a venture to try to change
00:26:04.780
and alter the course of culture. And that's what you're doing. And that's what I appreciate.
00:26:09.920
Yeah. When I'm putting out movies that have hope and love and faith and redemption and laughter and,
00:26:14.540
and just positive stuff instead of negative stuff that Hollywood does that keeps throwing us every
00:26:19.520
movie and every television show. And every movie I do, you know, I get about 120 people employed
00:26:26.020
for those two, three, four months or whatever it may be. I am doing something, but I'm doing
00:26:30.300
something that I absolutely love as well. And I've always, I mean, one thing I loved about Hercules,
00:26:34.220
and I had nothing to do with the writing on it. I mean, I put in my two cents now and then with
00:26:38.940
each script, but overall the writers, they wrote very moralistic episodes. Hercules didn't fight
00:26:45.040
for the sake of fighting. You always try to talk people out of it. I got letters, thousands of
00:26:49.020
letters coming in weekly from 176 countries around the country, around the world. We were the number
00:26:54.300
most watched show in the world saying, you know what? I used to, I used to bully people. I don't want
00:26:59.960
to bully people anymore. Or every movie I do, a guy comes up, Hey, I started working up because of
00:27:05.260
you. I think I'm a stunt guy because of you. I've gotten the business. I mean, it's amazing to me,
00:27:09.920
the power of television and movies to do good or bad. And unfortunately, Hollywood chooses to push a
00:27:16.380
lot of negativity out there, but I'm doing movies that Hollywood used to do, and I'm going to keep
00:27:20.480
on doing them. And I love, like I said, I love what I do. I, I escaped California five years ago.
00:27:26.060
I live in the free state of Florida. It's fantastic here. I get to your state quite a bit because I
00:27:30.540
have a place in park city, Utah. I ski a lot. So beautiful. I love getting back. I heard you guys
00:27:36.360
had a good dump. You had six feet of snow the other day. Man, let me step away from the conversation
00:27:42.200
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00:27:49.440
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00:27:55.140
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for now. Let's get back to it with Kevin. I'm in Southern Utah. So we got a little bit of snow down
00:29:05.520
here, but I did about a month ago, do some skiing in Sundance outside of Provo, which is fairly close
00:29:12.420
to where you're at. Oh yeah. Yeah. Are you in St. George or where are you at? That's where I am.
00:29:16.480
St. George. Yeah. So I ski in Brian head. If you've ever been there. Yeah, no, I haven't been there,
00:29:20.820
but I, I had a home in Henderson, Nevada for a while. So I knew it was straight across over there.
00:29:24.800
I know a couple of people at St. I'm St. George area. In fact, Dr. J used to live there,
00:29:29.240
the basketball player. He did. That's true. I think he lived in, was it the ledges? I can't remember,
00:29:33.900
but he moved back to Georgia, Georgia. He's in Georgia. So, okay. So you're in the free state
00:29:41.660
of Florida. What are your thoughts on Trump versus DeSantis? Like where, how did, cause I know you're
00:29:47.100
a supporter of Trump, but where does DeSantis fall into that as well? I like DeSantis. I think I left
00:29:52.480
the worst governor in the country to the best governor. I mean, what's going on in California
00:29:56.280
is just crazy. They've lost millions of people over the last 10 years. Millions have moved out of that
00:30:01.280
state and they're moving to Utah. They're moving to Vegas. They're moving to Tennessee, Texas,
00:30:07.180
Florida. There's reasons for that. And so I think, I know politics is a game within stuff. I think
00:30:15.060
DeSantis's role, I think he could have played a little smarter and not worried about it. I think,
00:30:20.200
cause I've been in a number of places at events where they both, I've sat at the same table with
00:30:24.400
both those guys. And to me, I think if he played a little cooler and been more supportive instead of
00:30:30.360
sort of the backstabbing thing that goes on, I think that he would have probably been a shoo-in
00:30:34.660
to be vice president along with Trump and then get his eight years afterwards. Who knows what
00:30:39.380
Trump's going to do, but you know, they've been attacking this guy for, since 2015, since he
00:30:45.000
announced. And there's nobody, no president in the history of our country has gone through every
00:30:50.820
single day of attacks like he has. And everything they do to try to find out on him or create stuff
00:30:56.940
like the Russian collusion twice, nothing zip both times. And they find nothing bad on these
00:31:03.160
kids, on his family. Look at Biden, look at his family and look at his kids, look at his history.
00:31:08.580
And yet he gets one pass after another. And it's just the hypocrisy and the lawlessness
00:31:13.900
and the granting of just getting day passes is so blatant and obvious. And people, I think a lot of
00:31:21.120
people just vote when they see a D next to a name or an R next to a name, instead of really doing
00:31:25.940
their homework, do your homework, do your due diligence and really look at what they're doing
00:31:29.900
guys. Cause so we have a very lazy, very uneducated country and a lot of ignorance in there. And they
00:31:36.260
just don't want to spend the time. They just rather, they know everything about the Kardashians and
00:31:43.400
Well, I think that's interesting. Cause I do often hear, Oh, I don't like Trump. I'm like,
00:31:47.640
I might not like him in person either. I'm not really worried about that. Cause him and I aren't
00:31:51.660
going to be breaking bread at my dinner table together. What I'm worried about is can he steer
00:31:55.780
the direction of the country in the right way? I'm not worried about being best buddies and chumming
00:32:00.820
up with Trump or Biden. That's not going to happen. I just want to make sure that we're moving in the
00:32:06.720
right direction. You know, it's interesting though, cause a year ago you could not have convinced me
00:32:12.540
that Trump would be able to win the next presidential election. And I'm having a hard
00:32:18.560
time seeing how he doesn't at this point, considering the climate of the country.
00:32:23.940
Number one, we got to get rid of mail-in voting. And that's one thing I kind of, I kind of, I got an,
00:32:28.280
I got an issue with the Republican party these last three years when Biden's in office is why that's
00:32:33.780
still in place. Get rid of, we're like the only country in the world. I believe it does mail-in voting.
00:32:37.800
You can cheat so much with that. And it's been proven to cheat so much. I don't care what anybody
00:32:42.440
says. Biden did not win that presidency. They can talk about that all they want.
00:32:46.500
Carrie Lake did not lose in Arizona as the governor. I mean, it's the number of ways that
00:32:51.720
they've shown people, they got people on tape, they got people admitting to the cheating. I mean,
00:32:56.320
it's just, we need to have, you vote on the day of the election and that's it. And it's not racist
00:33:01.840
to show an ID. That's that, that was one of the biggest, stupidest things I've ever heard in my life.
00:33:06.620
It's racist to say that somebody who's black can't get an ID. That's ridiculous. Of course they can.
00:33:12.380
Of course they can. But this, but this is the Democrat party telling you as an African American
00:33:17.900
person, you're too stupid and incapable of getting your own ID. They should be offended by that.
00:33:23.020
They should be, are you kidding me? But look, let's go to the border right now. When, when Trump was
00:33:27.460
president four years, what 1.4 million came across the border in four years. We're up to 10 million
00:33:32.600
people in three years. When are we not going to wake up to the fact that most of these people
00:33:37.720
are coming, not the most, but let's say even, even 10%, even 10% of the coming on the border
00:33:43.560
are bad, evil people. I tell people right now, we're looking at a massive scale of a nine 11
00:33:48.640
in every major city because of the people we're letting into this country. We have no idea.
00:33:53.320
They've already admitted that they, a lot of terrorists, a lot of people have come across
00:33:57.200
the border. How can you stop it? If you've got 10 million people, how can you stop that? They
00:34:01.480
can't, they can't catch everybody, but it's unbelievable that our government is allowing
00:34:06.160
that to happen. And nobody's making a stink about it. In fact, the Democrat party, the Democrats,
00:34:11.140
people that vote for Democrats don't seem to even be aware how bad it is.
00:34:15.140
Yeah. I think there's a little bit of a blissful ignorance going on. And then it comes back to
00:34:19.360
likability factor. You know, I have P I'm not going to say who they are, but I have people in my life
00:34:23.240
who, uh, you know, don't like Trump. So they won't vote for him. Even though if you ask them
00:34:29.560
about certain policy, they're very conservative in their approach, but they will never call
00:34:34.260
themselves a conservative. Okay. Let me, let me, I'll ask. I've asked many people that get in my
00:34:39.800
face about wanting to vote for Trump. And I go, what policies of his head did you hate? Well,
00:34:44.040
he was an asshole. I go, be an asshole, not a policy. What policies did you not like? They can't
00:34:49.860
think of one, not one. And I'll bring up stuff he did. You know, I'll bring up that he made black
00:34:55.900
unemployment, the lowest ever Hispanic unemployment, lowest ever. He, he closed our border down. He
00:35:00.600
made us energy independent people. I think they forgot that gas was a buck 90 gallon when he left
00:35:06.220
and it was up to $7 in less than a year because Biden stopped all production oil in America,
00:35:11.840
which is crazy. We have so many natural resources here.
00:35:16.360
Haven't we reduced gas prices by, you know, 50, 50% since Biden took office? I mean,
00:35:21.900
that's the kind of numbers they play where it, you know, had this meteoric rise and then it reduced
00:35:27.320
and I was like, Oh, we've lost all this. Wait, Oh, it's like $3.50 or $4 a gallon.
00:35:31.940
Exactly. It's okay now. It's just, it's weird that we have to rely on getting oil from countries that
00:35:40.520
hate us. We pay countries money. They can hate us for free. Stop giving our money with these people.
00:35:46.040
The amount of money we spent on climate hustle, climate change, which is called weather and
00:35:51.000
seasons, by the way, I can bring in plenty of examples of that, that that's all just a bunch
00:35:56.300
of hype as well. And the amount of money we throw at other countries, we could have built the wall
00:36:01.720
80 times over. And then look what we did in the pullout and leaving $80 billion of equipment and
00:36:08.020
getting a number of our, our, our, our, our warriors killed over there again. I mean, it's
00:36:13.740
just, it's, it's weird. I think the biggest killer in America more than anything is probably apathy.
00:36:19.580
Oh, well, what can we do? You know, they just, people just give up.
00:36:23.660
Yeah. I'm just, I'm just pulling up some notes here because I was thinking about it with regards
00:36:28.620
to what you're saying. We've got, you know, the world economic forum meeting right now. And
00:36:33.880
I've seen things where, you know, they're trying to appease the population by bringing in more
00:36:38.460
conservative individuals to, you know, share what they're going to share and they give them a little
00:36:43.060
clap and then they don't change anything. Like this stuff is actually very, very dangerous.
00:36:48.060
Yeah. Cause they know how to live. They, they know how all of us should live our lives. They're,
00:36:51.860
they're the special privilege ones. It's just like our tax system here. You know, I've always loved
00:36:56.980
Steve Forbes, flat tax. I said, why can't we do the flat tax? Cause you look at this,
00:37:01.120
okay. So we basically have to work seven months a year just for the government, but there's so kind
00:37:07.140
the other five months a year, you can keep that money that you made, but there are seven months.
00:37:11.280
We're going to take a hundred percent of everything you work so hard to, to, to, uh, to, to make money.
00:37:16.460
And, uh, we, we let this go on and on and on and on and people don't complain about it. People
00:37:20.820
complain, but they do nothing about it though. And I love the fact they had the Argentinian guy go speak.
00:37:25.840
I saw some of his beats. I can't remember his name. I was just pulling it up. I can't remember
00:37:30.120
his name right offhand, but yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah. And, uh, you know,
00:37:34.860
but you're right. A little polite applause and they'll move on. But, uh, it's, um, I don't know.
00:37:40.160
It's, it's interesting that they're playing this game to say, see, we're open to everybody's
00:37:44.040
opinion. No, you're really not. You got that Klaus guy. If you want to talk about Nazis. So it's like,
00:37:50.120
this is just, uh, it's, it's almost, it's, it's almost so sad that it's comical.
00:37:58.860
Yeah. It would be comical if it wasn't as dire as the consequences of the comedy weren't as, uh,
00:38:05.780
tragic as, as they have been throughout history and they will be now if we don't pay attention.
00:38:12.100
Very true. It was, it's interesting. You're talking about the flat tax. I was talking with
00:38:16.920
one of my sons, uh, just a couple of days ago, he's asking me how much money I make. And I talk
00:38:21.760
with him about those things because I think it's important. He understands how it works. And
00:38:24.740
and I told him, he's like, well, wait, so you make that much money? I'm like, no,
00:38:28.480
that's how much my business made. And he's like, well, how much did you make? And I told him,
00:38:32.180
and he's like, well, where's the rest of it go? And I said, well, I have expenses and employees and
00:38:36.660
things like this, but a large part of it goes to the government. He's like, wait, what?
00:38:40.380
And we had to have this whole conversation about why they get as much as they get and why we don't get as
00:38:45.500
much as we ought to. And it was a very interesting discussion to see his wheels turning and the
00:38:50.580
light bulbs turn on for him about what is happening. Yeah. I mean, it's good. And it's good. You're
00:38:55.720
there. Look, why we talk about the emasculation of men. We've been doing it forever. We've been
00:39:00.160
doing it through sitcoms forever. It's been television movies, every movie and television sitcom,
00:39:05.180
the dad is fat and dumpy. The mom's a babe. The teenage kids make fun of dad. He's a pincushion for
00:39:10.260
the humor. And so we've been taught that the father isn't an important figure in the family.
00:39:15.920
So I wrote a book called The Test of Blindhood with Brave Books. So please go to bravebooks.com.
00:39:21.080
I think a lot of people might remember there was quite a bit of news on last year with Kirk Cameron
00:39:26.600
when he was reading at public libraries. And at public libraries, they were banning him from reading.
00:39:31.460
He was on the podcast, actually, to talk about some of this as well.
00:39:36.120
But they were okay with drag queens reading to the seven-year-olds. I mean, it's just so weird.
00:39:42.320
So I came out and started really going after the ridiculousness of this whole, I got a t-shirt
00:39:46.560
that says embrace masculinity, okay? My 22-year-old son wears his to the gym all the time.
00:39:52.340
Men need to be men. We need strong men. Peter Weir is a director from Australia. He's done big
00:39:57.000
movies through the decades. He did a documentary 15 years ago saying, are there any real men left
00:40:02.080
in America? And I took, you know, a little umbrage of that. But I mean, I understand what he was saying
00:40:07.780
because we've done it so much now in our movies. If you're a conservative in a movie, if you're a
00:40:12.600
person of faith in a movie, you're the evil one. You're the idiot. You're the stupid one. You're
00:40:17.220
the guy that is just the biggest guy that just everybody wants to hate. And that's what they're
00:40:21.160
just, we're just brainwashing kids that believe this way. So this book, The Test of Blindhood
00:40:25.780
at Brave Books, go to bravebooks.com, great place to go, is really a story about a little line
00:40:31.980
cub named Lucas who ends up saving his little sister's life. He's in the, he's in the woods
00:40:35.720
with her. She gets cut by a plant that's going to kill her. He learned through his father
00:40:39.640
about the dangers and how to, how to, if anything bad happens, what to do in the forest. So he
00:40:45.700
ends up saving his little sister's life. And I get attacked by the alphabet crowd. You're
00:40:49.800
anti-transphobic, you're all transphobic, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm going, I'm not
00:40:53.440
anti-anything. I'm pro-child. I want kids and especially boys to grow up to be strong men and
00:40:59.460
strong fathers and their families and communities. Cause that's what we're missing. People, I,
00:41:04.740
there's, I've seen so many videos now of these liberal women saying, I don't want to date a
00:41:09.600
conservative, but they're only the real men left. All the liberal guys I meet are a bunch of wusses.
00:41:14.200
That's their words. And it's all over the internet. My son keeps showing me one all the time.
00:41:18.900
So, um, and, and you mentioned taxes. So there, I've seen a couple of now from women saying,
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I just got out of college and I can't believe much money they take out of my job. I was like,
00:41:29.060
welcome to the real world. But, uh, you know, for me, I'm glad I wrote the book. Uh,
00:41:35.120
brave books does a great job. Um, please go to brave books.com. I got to throw it out there.
00:41:39.400
You can order my book for free. Just sign up for a whole year. Every month, you're going to get a
00:41:42.660
great book. That's going to be great for kids under 10, 11 years of age and below. And it's just a
00:41:48.140
great thing for the family to get involved and your kids will get excited by these stories because
00:41:52.160
they're positive stories. They're not negative ones. Yeah. I'll I've got two under that age.
00:41:57.260
So I'll get signed up for that. And, and as you were talking about that, I was thinking about
00:42:00.660
even with Disney, as we were talking about earlier, you think about the story of Lion King.
00:42:04.560
It's a father who's virtuous and righteous and he dies and he instills so deeply ingrained into his
00:42:10.920
son's DNA that even in his death, he's speaking to his son about responsibility and stepping up and
00:42:17.820
serving. Uh, and it's so, it's so hard to see how far it's fallen.
00:42:22.920
It's the story of Moses, what the Lion King is really. So to me, it's, it's, uh, Hollywood used to
00:42:29.320
get it and now they don't. I mean, they did a Noah movie and, um, came out, I don't know how many years
00:42:34.460
ago, eight years ago, nine years ago. And the story of Noah, as my wife said, that was more like
00:42:38.320
a transformers meets water world. You know, they made Noah schizophrenic, a drunk hell bent on killing
00:42:43.200
his family after the journey was over with the animals, let the animals just rule the world.
00:42:47.680
And I have no more people be here. I mean, it was just, it was so weird. It was, it was a beautiful
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film, but it was just, it was so weird at the same time. And they even hired an atheist director.
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And I go, why in the Jewish community of Hollywood was because everybody that worked with the Jewish
00:43:02.560
in Hollywood that runs the business, why would you hire an atheist director? Wouldn't you hire at least
00:43:06.920
a Jew that has the faith to some degree to do the story of Noah, you're going to throw $60 million
00:43:15.340
at this guy to make a movie? Uh, I don't know, but this is, this is the world we're living in now.
00:43:20.160
And it just seems to want to get more insane. Well, I think there's a cultural battle and I
00:43:24.340
think you're, uh, you're leading the charge and you're helping out and I appreciate what you're
00:43:28.260
doing. I want to be respectful of your time because you've got filming this afternoon and evening.
00:43:31.800
And so I want to let you get to that. Um, where would you direct people? Obviously brave books
00:43:36.400
anywhere else. And then I'll let you sign off for the day. Great place to go sorbostudios.com.
00:43:41.120
So you go to sorbostudios.com, S-O-R-B-O studios.com, all kinds of information. I got a number of
00:43:48.140
movies you can get there. Good family movies that have already been done in theaters. I had two
00:43:52.040
movies out last year in theaters. One was Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist based on the 80 million
00:43:56.620
bestselling Left Behind books. The other one is True Stories called Miracle in East Texas. True story
00:44:01.360
about the largest oil find in the history of the world back in 1930 in Kilgore, Texas.
00:44:05.720
Uh, great family movie, funny, um, uh, motivational and empowering, and also got a nice faith element
00:44:12.940
to it as well. So check it out. Brain books.com. And also I would suggest following you on X because
00:44:19.400
it's always entertaining. It's always informational and I like it as well. So Kevin, appreciate you
00:44:24.280
keep fighting the good fight. We'll support you where we can. Thanks for your time.
00:44:27.460
All right. K sorbs on Twitter. K sorbs. All right. Take care.
00:44:30.400
All right, you guys, there you go. My conversation with the one only Kevin Sorbo. I hope you enjoyed
00:44:36.600
that one. Uh, these are conversations that need to be had because they're just not conversations
00:44:41.220
that are taking place enough. And I'm really excited to be able to have somebody like Kevin
00:44:45.360
on the podcast to talk about his thoughts, his beliefs, and also learning from somebody who's
00:44:50.020
actively putting their money where their mouth is. And I can respect that. And I'm sure that you can
00:44:54.420
as well. So please connect with Kevin connect with myself on Instagram, X, Facebook, YouTube,
00:44:59.960
Twitter, all the places. Uh, also go check out Sorbo studios. The miracle in East Texas is a,
00:45:05.940
is a movie I'd highly recommend, including his children's book, the test of lionhood guys.
00:45:11.760
Last thing, if you would just take a screenshot right now, real quick and post it up on Instagram,
00:45:17.000
tag Kevin, tag myself, let people know what you're listening to. And then the very last thing I would
00:45:21.520
encourage you to do is to check out the battle, uh, ready program, the battle ready program.
00:45:26.420
You can do that at order of man.com slash battle ready. All right, guys, you've got your marching
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orders and we will be back tomorrow for our ask me anything, but until then go out there, take action
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