Order of Man - KIPP SORENSEN ｜ Lessons Learned on a First Hunt

00:00:00.120 Hunting has become such an integral part of my life, and I can't help but want to talk about all the stories and memories I've made and what hunting has done in my own life with other people.

00:00:10.820 Many of you who listen to the podcast know my co-host, Kip Sorensen.

00:00:14.640 When I had the opportunity to take him on his first archery hunt in Hawaii last week, I could not wait for it.

00:00:21.960 Today, I share our conversation from the porch in Hawaii about his first archery experience.

00:00:27.480 We talk about looking for and creating opportunities, the power of curiosity and inquisitiveness, how to get into hunting for the first time, being coachable and teachable, and what that will do for your life.

00:00:41.140 Some of the lessons that he has learned, and of course, whether or not he was able to get his first archery kill.

00:00:47.740 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:53.580 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:58.240 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:01:03.280 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:01:07.560 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:13.160 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast, and welcome back.

00:01:16.580 Thank you for joining us. If you're brand new, we interview incredible men.

00:01:20.340 I've got a good friend and close personal friend, mentor, coach, just a good man in general, Kip Sorensen on the podcast.

00:01:27.560 We've also had other incredible guests like Steve Rinella, Jocko Willink, Ben Shapiro, David Goggins, Andy Frisilla, Tim Tebow, Tim Kennedy.

00:01:38.340 Just some absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal men.

00:01:41.180 And that is my goal here, is to interview men who have interesting and unique perspectives and stories to share and information to give to us so that we can improve our own lives.

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00:01:56.120 So, glad you're joining us today.

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00:02:39.760 Now, with that said, let me get to my guest.

00:02:41.820 Kip is also very active in the Iron Council, so this will give you a little bit of insight into the caliber of men that you'll find there.

00:02:47.900 He is also the co-host of our Ask Me Anything podcast.

00:02:52.280 He's an incredibly successful entrepreneur and businessman, and he's one of the best people I know.

00:02:58.460 He's also recently started doing a lot more work in the realm of leadership and personal development,

00:03:03.160 where he shares his own personal insights into the goods, the bads, and the uglies of corporate management and leadership.

00:03:11.400 The lessons he's learned are valuable, whether you're in corporate America, a budding business owner, or a seasoned entrepreneur.

00:03:18.480 Kip is also a great, great family man.

00:03:22.820 He's an indirect coach to me, and he's a good friend.

00:03:26.900 Kip, what's up, man?

00:03:27.920 Here we are.

00:03:28.600 This is a little different, a lot different.

00:03:30.720 We're on the island of Molokai recording a podcast in the shack.

00:03:35.120 In the wild.

00:03:35.820 That is the Spalding Lodge.

00:03:38.820 Yeah.

00:03:39.180 We're using lodge very liberally.

00:03:41.540 What do you think of this place?

00:03:42.640 It's awesome.

00:03:44.140 It's right up my alley.

00:03:46.360 Some people would come here and go, no, I'm not sleeping in the murder shower.

00:03:52.060 I'm worried about the giant spider, or I've started naming some of the cockroaches on my floor.

00:04:01.080 Bob's in there.

00:04:01.980 He's been in there with me for the last day or so.

00:04:04.320 So we're getting ready.

00:04:05.760 The cockroaches, Bob?

00:04:06.920 Yeah.

00:04:07.280 I smashed all the cockroaches in my room already.

00:04:09.240 Well, he's upside down, but he's showing movement every so often. 1.00

00:04:12.740 You need to put him out of his misery is what you need to do, freaking jerk. 0.98

00:04:16.820 Well, like I said, for those who may not know, you and I are hunting on the island of Molokai in Hawaii. 0.99

00:04:24.660 I've been out here for, I want to say this is year five or six, but we had a spot open,

00:04:31.520 and I don't know how it really came to be, but I convinced your wife to make sure you are going to be on this trip.

00:04:39.240 And she was all about it.

00:04:40.760 I think she was more excited initially than you were.

00:04:43.180 Yeah.

00:04:43.680 Yeah, she was.

00:04:44.600 She's always about adventure.

00:04:46.860 Yeah.

00:04:47.260 So if there's an opportunity to do something, she's like all over it, and she thinks I should be all over it.

00:04:52.060 And we've talked about this.

00:04:53.280 My default personality is I got work to do.

00:04:56.280 Yeah.

00:04:56.540 And you're not supposed to play until all the work is done.

00:04:59.240 The problem or the lesson I'm learning in life is the work is never done, and I'll end up working myself to death

00:05:06.320 if I don't have a wife that helps me realize that life's also about enjoying it.

00:05:11.360 Helps you realize.

00:05:12.680 Yeah.

00:05:13.060 Forces you to go do things.

00:05:15.040 I know that is interesting, though.

00:05:16.620 A lot of people, because so I've been hunting for about eight years, give or take, and I've invited dozens and dozens of people to come hunt with me.

00:05:28.120 And we have a good crew.

00:05:29.180 We've got six guys here.

00:05:30.720 I hunt in Minnesota every year.

00:05:33.520 Me and Rick and a few other guys with M42 Adventures are going to Africa later in the year.

00:05:37.580 My son comes with me.

00:05:38.540 So we've got a good core group of guys.

00:05:40.620 But of the dozens and dozens of people that I invite, it's always, this is not a good time.

00:05:46.480 Yeah.

00:05:46.780 It's not even really money.

00:05:48.620 Sometimes it's money, but mostly it's, no, the timing's off.

00:05:51.820 But like you said, the timing's never on.

00:05:54.680 Yeah.

00:05:55.040 You just have to make it work.

00:05:56.580 Yeah.

00:05:57.300 So what, outside of your wife saying she bought you non-refundable tickets, which is, we don't know if that's true or not.

00:06:03.140 Yeah.

00:06:03.300 I think she was lying.

00:06:04.500 Yeah.

00:06:06.100 Outside of that, what then made you decide, all right, yeah, like, I'll go do that.

00:06:12.680 That sounds like something I'd want to participate in.

00:06:15.840 Yeah.

00:06:16.420 So I was born, I was raised by a farmer that, and as anyone that knows or was raised on a farm, you know that they actually don't make any money farming.

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.860 So then they usually have to pick up another job.

00:06:29.340 And so my dad, actually for the majority of my life was, well, he had dairy at first, and that's a full-time job.

00:06:37.200 Once he got rid of the dairy, I think he worked at a gyp plant, a coal mine. 1.00

00:06:43.420 What was the, what plant?

00:06:44.500 A gyp, gypsum plant for like Sheetrock.

00:06:47.220 Oh, is that the, is that the company, or is that the?

00:06:49.940 Gypsum.

00:06:50.680 Gypsum.

00:06:51.300 Yeah.

00:06:51.640 Okay.

00:06:51.960 So he worked at the gypsum plant there in, in Sevilla County.

00:06:56.940 And then from there, I think he ended up working in the coal mines and then had also been a butcher my entire life.

00:07:05.020 And so when it come to hunting season, there was, yeah, he never took us hunting because, well, back to that point, one of those things I think I inherited from my dad was, you don't play around when there's work to be done.

00:07:18.980 Right.

00:07:19.600 And so there was always work to be done.

00:07:21.280 So we never went hunting with him.

00:07:23.380 I've never been hunting as a kid.

00:07:26.200 And so just a few years ago, me and a few of my other brothers that realized this, we're like, dude, let's start, let's start hunting.

00:07:34.460 But we're noobs hunting with each other.

00:07:37.120 We have no idea what we're doing.

00:07:38.760 Which is an anomaly for growing up in South Sevilla, Monroe.

00:07:43.040 Yeah.

00:07:43.180 Like I've been in hunting culture kind of, but never, never went hunting.

00:07:46.900 And so that was what was appealing about this is one, it was actually, I'm going to go with people that know probably what they're doing compared to me and my brothers.

00:07:58.240 And now, you know, that's not true.

00:07:59.540 Well, no, I actually think you guys are in my world.

00:08:02.540 You guys are seasoned, you know, maybe a little bit.

00:08:04.980 So, so that was one to the primitive style of archery.

00:08:10.880 It has always been appealing.

00:08:12.560 Um, my entire life, I've always felt like, dude, it'd be awesome.

00:08:16.720 And it still sounds awesome today to have someone drive me out to the wilderness, drop me off and say, okay, I'll see you in a month.

00:08:22.740 Right.

00:08:23.160 I don't know why that sounds awesome.

00:08:25.020 It does sound awesome.

00:08:25.860 I'm like, dude, let's do it.

00:08:27.200 Let's, let's test.

00:08:28.320 Right.

00:08:28.620 And so there's an element of that in archery.

00:08:30.920 And so the combination of, I can't get out of it because my wife is lying about refundable tickets, going with, with people that know what they're doing that I can learn from.

00:08:41.540 And the fact that it was archery just made it super appealing.

00:08:44.820 Yeah.

00:08:45.340 Yeah.

00:08:45.560 I do want to just a point of clarification.

00:08:47.380 And I know what you mean when you say primitive form of archery, but I just want to do a little

00:08:51.520 hunting, primitive, or more primitive than rifle.

00:08:55.020 Right.

00:08:55.160 I just want to make sure, cause I know there's probably people who are listening and there's

00:08:59.000 variations even in the archery world.

00:09:01.040 That's true.

00:09:01.540 So there's, we're shooting compound bows.

00:09:04.300 Yeah.

00:09:04.600 Uh, there's those who would shoot what you would call a traditional or trad bow, which

00:09:08.680 is a recurve bow.

00:09:09.600 Yeah.

00:09:09.860 And then there's primitive archery.

00:09:11.880 Yeah.

00:09:12.280 I made my bow with my own arrowheads.

00:09:14.660 Exactly.

00:09:15.120 Yeah.

00:09:15.440 So, and I know what you were saying, although that would be bad-ass too.

00:09:18.280 That would be awesome.

00:09:18.900 I know what you were saying.

00:09:20.060 I just want to clarify it.

00:09:21.200 Cause I know there's somebody who's listening, who's a primitive hunter and they're like, what 0.76

00:09:25.160 no, those guys aren't.

00:09:26.480 So I'm just, I want to be fair to that.

00:09:28.120 For me, the, the, the step in a more primitive hunting than shooting a rifle at range.

00:09:34.500 It's way more intimate, right?

00:09:35.800 I mean, you've had, we've been out here for five or six days now and you, you've killed

00:09:41.020 your first animal.

00:09:42.020 Yep.

00:09:42.700 Which is amazing.

00:09:43.880 Cause this is not an easy hunt.

00:09:45.800 Very first hunt, right?

00:09:47.540 Very first hunt at all.

00:09:49.600 First archery hunt, but even rifle too, or you know, I've been rifle hunting a couple of

00:09:54.060 times, never took a shot.

00:09:55.880 Cause I, I've never seen the buck.

00:09:57.920 Oh yeah.

00:09:58.440 I never had the shot.

00:09:59.440 Right.

00:10:00.040 Not even a chance. 0.89

00:10:00.840 So first kill, first archery kill. 0.67

00:10:04.060 Yeah.

00:10:04.380 And on an animal that is insanely, insanely hard to kill.

00:10:09.320 Yeah.

00:10:09.760 We're shooting axis deer and these aren't white tail.

00:10:13.240 These aren't mule deer and nothing against any of that.

00:10:16.200 I mean, I, I white tail hunt, uh, I've mule deer hunted a little bit, never killed a

00:10:21.080 mule deer, but these are hard, hard animals to hunt.

00:10:24.680 So you got to feel pretty good about that.

00:10:26.580 They're finicky, sensitive as all hell.

00:10:29.760 Yeah.

00:10:29.960 It's, it's been awesome.

00:10:31.160 So did it as a, as a new, we'll just say a new hunter.

00:10:34.240 Cause you are.

00:10:35.040 Absolutely.

00:10:35.580 So as a new hunter, was this, did this meet your expectation, exceed your expectation?

00:10:42.700 Like what, when you came before we got here, what is, what was the vision playing in your

00:10:48.040 mind?

00:10:48.460 Yeah.

00:10:48.760 So I, I assumed it would be like the other hunts I've attempted.

00:10:53.520 And that was, I'm going out and maybe I'll see something.

00:10:58.140 Maybe I won't.

00:10:59.120 Right.

00:10:59.580 And if I saw something, that's a win.

00:11:03.120 Yeah.

00:11:03.600 If I got to shoot at it, that's like a bonus win. 1.00

00:11:06.740 And if I actually killed it, like, holy crap. 1.00

00:11:09.540 Right. 0.99

00:11:09.900 So I just expected to come out and spend some time in the trees and trying to get eyes on

00:11:18.000 something and have a chance.

00:11:20.380 The fact that, that we've been here, what'd you say?

00:11:22.880 Like five, six days.

00:11:23.860 Five, six days.

00:11:24.540 And I have shot my bow.

00:11:28.400 I don't even know.

00:11:30.580 A lot of times.

00:11:32.460 So, so I've had multiple shots.

00:11:35.140 Some of them were probably maybe not as, uh, careful, but I've had good shots.

00:11:42.480 Right.

00:11:42.920 Like this morning I had five bows or five bucks in range, 30 yards.

00:11:51.200 If I knew what I was doing better, if I was better trained, those were mine.

00:11:56.520 That's, that's, that's the kind of opportunity I'm getting, which is just awesome.

00:12:01.340 So the fact that I got a kill is, is exceeds my expectations.

00:12:05.660 I'm really glad that you said you're, you're training, you're learning because so many men

00:12:11.540 think whether it's hunting or jujitsu, which you taught, we talk a lot about or any aspect

00:12:16.660 of life think that just because they show up either they're entitled to, or they should

00:12:22.120 know it.

00:12:22.640 Here's the interesting thing I've, I've discovered in a lot of things, but about being a man in

00:12:28.120 2024.

00:12:28.640 2024, there's a lot that we don't know because we grew up without fathers who didn't teach

00:12:33.180 us those things.

00:12:34.300 And you had a father who was, you know, he didn't teach you that.

00:12:37.620 He was taught me other things, right?

00:12:38.920 Yeah.

00:12:39.240 Which is great.

00:12:40.020 And then there's some men who their father wasn't even around at all to teach them any

00:12:43.860 lessons.

00:12:44.820 So we, we mock a guy and I'm saying we collectively society mocks men because they don't know how

00:12:53.700 to do something they should already know as a man.

00:12:56.980 And then a guy's like, well, fine, I'm going to go out and learn.

00:13:00.480 I'll go train jujitsu.

00:13:01.680 I'll go learn to hunt.

00:13:02.540 I'll go invest in myself and buy a course or a program or do a Spartan race or go to

00:13:07.960 a corporate conference so I can learn more about sales.

00:13:10.620 And then he's mocked for trying to get better at a thing when he should already know how

00:13:17.200 to do that.

00:13:17.920 And a guy can't seem to win.

00:13:19.700 And that's why I think it's really, really important to screw all of that and just decide

00:13:28.680 for yourself, Hey, I'm going to learn skills.

00:13:31.120 If it's hunting great, if it's jujitsu great, if it's corporate sales great, if it's learning

00:13:34.740 how to be a better communicator or public speaker or to become an electrician or whatever your

00:13:39.260 thing is, forget about what everybody else says and just be willing to be a beginner.

00:13:44.940 And I know, you know, that lesson really well from jujitsu.

00:13:47.500 Probably a lot is where that comes from.

00:13:49.120 Totally.

00:13:49.560 But the fact that you're coming out here with low expectations, not low standards, there's

00:13:53.900 a difference.

00:13:54.520 Yeah.

00:13:54.780 Cause I watched you, I watched you shoot arrows out here and you don't, you're not shooting

00:13:59.720 as if you have a low expectation or a low standard.

00:14:03.140 Yeah.

00:14:03.360 I want to win.

00:14:04.100 You're, you're training as if, and there's, that's a really good distinction, standards

00:14:08.260 and expectations.

00:14:09.420 Yeah.

00:14:10.420 Expectation is something largely outside of your control, but a standard to me is something

00:14:14.760 within your control.

00:14:15.840 Totally.

00:14:16.500 Well, and I love that principle.

00:14:18.580 The way I, I've, I've heard this is we often look at people and they're like, Oh, you're

00:14:22.920 so natural.

00:14:23.920 And I'm sure you've gotten this with the podcast.

00:14:25.700 Oh, you're so natural interviewer.

00:14:28.180 You're so great at public speaking.

00:14:30.580 That's reps.

00:14:32.060 And no, I've always been good at that.

00:14:33.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:34.460 And you're not, and you should stop.

00:14:36.300 You should know, right?

00:14:37.660 Humility is also something that I need to work on.

00:14:39.780 Yeah, you're still working on that one.

00:14:40.740 Jiu-jitsu will help.

00:14:42.680 But it's funny because we do that, right?

00:14:44.880 All he's a natural, he's a natural.

00:14:47.080 We need to stop saying that because a lot of the time we're not natural.

00:14:50.220 It looks natural.

00:14:51.420 Why?

00:14:52.040 Because they put the reps in to become natural with it.

00:14:55.700 Right.

00:14:56.000 And, and we, we sometimes, and I think, you know, we've talked about this.

00:15:00.840 Sometimes we'll use that language because it excuses us.

00:15:04.620 Oh, Ryan's a natural at hunting, AKA I'm not a natural.

00:15:10.940 So that's why I'm not good at it.

00:15:13.480 And then, and then it's almost like an excuse for me not to learn, not to do all the necessary

00:15:18.560 reps.

00:15:18.920 Do you think it's as conscious as that, or is it just some sort of default safety mechanism

00:15:24.500 that we just revert to lying?

00:15:27.140 Because I don't, I don't think anybody is deliberately or intentionally saying subconscious.

00:15:31.940 That's what I think too.

00:15:32.720 Yeah.

00:15:32.920 It's just subconsciously trying to keep us safe.

00:15:35.300 Yeah.

00:15:35.760 Yeah.

00:15:35.980 It's like, it's, it's the, it's the reasoning behind the thought.

00:15:40.780 Oh man.

00:15:41.460 Like, let's be frank.

00:15:42.420 Like when someone's really great at something and you're not great at it, you, you'll immediately

00:15:46.460 go, oh, I wish, right?

00:15:47.960 Like I wish I had that or wish I had that.

00:15:50.500 If I did, if this, if that, then I.

00:15:52.800 So you'll wish, and then the reasoning the, to the explanation of how you feel about them

00:15:59.340 being better than you is, oh, well it's cause they're natural.

00:16:03.080 And it, and if it's not that, then what do you do?

00:16:05.580 Well, I'm going to go into this being really humble.

00:16:07.720 I'm going to be teachable and I'm willing to put in the reps.

00:16:10.460 But if I'm not willing to put in the reps, then I probably more likely have defaulted to

00:16:14.680 the thing that like they're unique and special.

00:16:16.820 And that's not available to me.

00:16:18.120 So when it comes to reps, there's things that I've done where I've, I've put in the

00:16:23.360 reps and I haven't ever felt like I'm getting better at it.

00:16:28.500 Uh, and then there's other things that where I've put in the reps and I just, I don't enjoy

00:16:32.760 it.

00:16:33.400 Yeah.

00:16:34.700 So, and there's a lot of things that we have to do that we don't enjoy.

00:16:37.280 So that's not what I'm talking about.

00:16:39.080 I'm talking about things that we think are interesting and we realize I don't really like it that much.

00:16:42.740 Yeah, totally.

00:16:43.380 So how do you, how do you know that it's just a matter of reps when you don't feel like

00:16:51.080 you're getting better?

00:16:52.220 It's the things aren't coming together as quickly or as successfully as you would like.

00:16:56.480 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 And, and what do you do to pivot either chain, you know what I'm saying?

00:17:00.420 Yeah, totally.

00:17:01.080 I mean, I think, I think the first part of that is back to the phrase that you mentioned

00:17:06.920 earlier around expectations.

00:17:08.100 I, I think where most people, where they'll get deterred from reps is because they have

00:17:14.180 this expectation that they should be somewhere with a few reps and they're not dealing in

00:17:20.740 reality.

00:17:21.560 Right.

00:17:22.080 Like I always find it fascinating when you follow like, uh, influencers on Instagram,

00:17:26.640 like health people.

00:17:27.980 Right.

00:17:28.420 And there's like this before and after and the, and the after is like, I mean, don't get

00:17:33.900 me wrong.

00:17:34.180 It's like better, but it's not like amazing.

00:17:36.880 And they're like two years.

00:17:39.400 Yes.

00:17:39.880 Right. 1.00

00:17:40.200 And you're like, Holy shit. 0.99

00:17:41.340 That's a lot of work. 0.99

00:17:42.360 I know for that.

00:17:43.700 That took two years.

00:17:44.660 I know.

00:17:45.220 Right.

00:17:45.480 And I think a lot of people don't have that reality.

00:17:47.920 They're like, Oh, I'm going to work.

00:17:49.200 I'm going to look like that.

00:17:50.520 I'll work out daily for like a month or two months.

00:17:54.560 But you go to someone and says, Hey, it, Oh, you want your black belt?

00:17:58.280 Yeah.

00:17:58.500 That's going to take 15 years.

00:18:00.080 I was going to say 14, 15 years. 0.97

00:18:01.560 Holy crap. 0.89

00:18:02.320 Right. 0.87

00:18:02.760 Like not a lot of people can even deal with that.

00:18:05.160 Right.

00:18:05.600 Not a lot of people can deal with, you know, going to university for four years, let alone, 0.99

00:18:10.500 you know, getting your ass beat on the mat for 10, 15. 0.98

00:18:14.340 Right. 0.99

00:18:14.880 So I don't think we're often dealing in reality first.

00:18:17.920 Right.

00:18:18.460 And then I think the other thing is, why are you doing it?

00:18:21.400 And, and it's a great quote.

00:18:23.000 You probably, you're way better at, at quoting people than I do.

00:18:25.800 But, but I think the, the quote that talks about that, the man that enjoys the walking

00:18:31.360 will have better success than the, than the man that enjoys the destination.

00:18:35.960 And, and I think that's critical.

00:18:37.980 And I think it speaks to what you're saying is like, Oh, I'm not really enjoying it.

00:18:41.260 If you're not enjoying the process, then one, we're approaching it wrong.

00:18:44.720 Or we, the destination's not going to magically all of a sudden get you like some level of

00:18:50.740 happiness.

00:18:51.220 Like we've even talked about this sometimes, like when guys in the IC do goal setting and

00:18:56.540 they're like, Oh, well, I'm going to get all these things together.

00:18:59.240 And my marriage is going to look like this.

00:19:00.700 I'll have finances like this.

00:19:01.900 And then they're delaying happiness.

00:19:04.340 Like, Oh, I'll get it.

00:19:06.320 I'll, I'll be happy after I do all this stuff.

00:19:09.140 And it's like, man, just enjoy the moment.

00:19:11.900 Right.

00:19:12.340 Maybe I won't get the shot. 0.95

00:19:14.080 Maybe I won't get the kill.

00:19:16.240 Oh, you know, what's even more important is, is sitting in the blind and enjoying the moment.

00:19:20.020 Right.

00:19:20.420 And if I can enjoy the moment, then the outcome is the outcome regardless.

00:19:24.820 Right.

00:19:25.240 And I'm going to, I'm going to be living fulfilled in the moment.

00:19:28.480 I think that's a, that's a good point.

00:19:30.260 When you say not really worrying about the expectation or the goal so much and, and the

00:19:37.280 way that I've looked at it as a litmus test is, would you still do the thing if you knew

00:19:43.640 you wouldn't achieve that result?

00:19:46.160 Yeah.

00:19:46.680 Right.

00:19:46.960 So like, for example, would you still go to the gym if you knew you'd never in your entire

00:19:52.100 life have six pack abs?

00:19:53.860 Totally.

00:19:54.560 And because there's joy in that process of doing it.

00:19:57.700 When look at all the gym rats.

00:19:59.080 Right.

00:19:59.420 Do those people look any different than they looked a year ago or two years ago when you

00:20:03.340 saw them at the gym?

00:20:04.560 Well, there's law of diminishing return too.

00:20:06.720 But some of them are, are maintaining.

00:20:09.200 Right.

00:20:09.680 Right.

00:20:09.920 And they're maintaining.

00:20:10.980 Why?

00:20:11.840 Because they probably enjoy going to the gym.

00:20:13.840 Well, that's a good point.

00:20:14.680 Cause they're not going to, there's a point in time where you're not going to get bigger.

00:20:21.060 Yeah.

00:20:21.560 Like your arms aren't going to get bigger.

00:20:23.080 Your legs aren't going to get bigger.

00:20:24.360 There's, there's nothing you can do outside of, you know, steroids or something, some,

00:20:28.580 some hack to actually achieve the exponential growth that you experienced when you just

00:20:34.020 first started.

00:20:34.740 And, and jujitsu as is, as a perfect analogy of this is it was, it was originally around

00:20:41.980 being tough is when I started, why I started training.

00:20:45.500 I kept training for a belt.

00:20:48.100 And then shortly within a few years, it was never about the belt anymore.

00:20:52.360 Hmm.

00:20:53.460 It was about, I need to go train today.

00:20:55.440 Why?

00:20:55.960 Cause I want to, cause it will make me feel better.

00:20:59.040 If it was about the belt, you would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

00:21:01.660 That's a long time to be waiting for something.

00:21:03.320 For something.

00:21:04.040 Yeah.

00:21:04.320 For, for not just something, for a little piece of black cloth.

00:21:08.420 Yeah.

00:21:08.600 A little black fabric.

00:21:09.940 Totally.

00:21:11.660 Said another way, a darker target for everyone to beat up.

00:21:15.080 Yeah.

00:21:15.480 True.

00:21:16.020 That's all it is.

00:21:17.480 Yeah.

00:21:17.800 Yeah.

00:21:18.300 Well, let's go back to, let's go back to the world of hunting.

00:21:20.720 So first, first archery hunt, first kill, first archery kill, um, you had little expectation,

00:21:29.500 but I know you were excited about it.

00:21:33.080 Did you, you really only had like two weeks of shooting a bow.

00:21:37.760 Yeah.

00:21:38.640 Yeah.

00:21:39.120 I, had you shot a bow before that?

00:21:40.880 I mean, other than like, here, try making it, you know, your body's like, try shooting 0.88

00:21:45.160 it here. 0.86

00:21:45.820 Yeah.

00:21:46.240 Right.

00:21:46.340 At least recurves.

00:21:47.420 Right.

00:21:47.840 That's it.

00:21:48.540 That's the only time.

00:21:49.860 Yeah.

00:21:50.060 And so in two weeks, and you're actually, I was watching you on the targets.

00:21:54.960 You're a better shot than I am.

00:21:57.080 Ah.

00:21:57.460 You are.

00:21:58.040 If we went out and competed right now, you would beat me.

00:22:01.620 You think?

00:22:02.060 I, I do.

00:22:03.240 So I'm curious, and you may not believe that, but I watched you shoot with Ben from Shed

00:22:08.480 Crazy.

00:22:09.060 Yeah. 0.92

00:22:09.720 And he beat you.

00:22:10.880 You guys were playing buck, which is horse essentially, shooting arrows.

00:22:13.900 With arrows.

00:22:14.400 Not at each other.

00:22:16.880 And he did beat you, but you were within three or four inches on every shot.

00:22:22.420 Yeah.

00:22:22.840 So you're a good shot.

00:22:24.120 So what do you attribute that to?

00:22:26.940 You don't even think you're a good shot, do you?

00:22:28.920 No.

00:22:29.460 I don't think I'm a good shot.

00:22:30.700 I mean, you're pretty good on a, on a block.

00:22:32.460 You're pretty good.

00:22:33.220 Yeah.

00:22:34.040 I, um, I mean, maybe explain the process, right?

00:22:38.620 So like Asia told me, Hey, you're going on this hunt.

00:22:42.080 I'm like, I don't have a bow.

00:22:43.660 And it was really funny.

00:22:45.200 Bless her heart. 0.87

00:22:45.800 She's like, well, just borrow a bow. 1.00

00:22:47.080 I'm like, I don't think you borrow bows.

00:22:49.440 Right?

00:22:49.660 Like, I think they're like fitted to you.

00:22:52.040 And so there's this mad scramble.

00:22:54.620 Uh, luckily you had an extra bow and you're like, dude, Kip, have this, have this hoy.

00:22:58.820 Right.

00:22:59.120 And so I'm like, awesome.

00:23:00.800 Went into an archery shop.

00:23:03.080 No ego, by the way. 0.98

00:23:04.760 I was going to say, did you feel dumb when you went in? 0.99

00:23:06.760 Absolutely. 0.98

00:23:07.340 And I was okay with it.

00:23:08.220 Yeah.

00:23:08.540 Cause if I, if you embrace the fact that you're green, nobody cares pressure.

00:23:13.020 So I literally went in there.

00:23:14.340 I'm like, I have no idea what I'm doing.

00:23:16.560 I have this bow.

00:23:17.900 I need to shoot access deer in two weeks.

00:23:20.200 And they're like, we got you.

00:23:22.300 Right. 1.00

00:23:22.680 And they're like, that site sucks. 0.98

00:23:24.420 So we need to replace that. 0.91

00:23:25.680 You got to, you know, your rest, never use those rests.

00:23:29.980 Right.

00:23:30.440 I was telling you, I told you a few things.

00:23:32.380 And then they're like, oh, you need this thing.

00:23:33.600 I'm like, why is there a stick hanging on the front of this thing?

00:23:36.500 Right.

00:23:36.740 Like, I have no idea.

00:23:38.660 And so I went in there, uh, they took the bow four days later.

00:23:44.060 I got a text saying, Hey, your bow's ready.

00:23:46.660 I went in and, uh, the guy, like they had some targets in the back.

00:23:51.460 So he's like, Hey, try out these targets.

00:23:52.860 And so I, I tried him, tried him out.

00:23:54.760 He's like, yeah, you got it.

00:23:55.880 And that's it.

00:23:56.560 And then I went to sportsman's, bought a target from my backyard.

00:24:00.540 And then for the, probably about a week and a half, my rule was every day I'm going to

00:24:06.060 shoot 15 arrows.

00:24:07.260 Okay.

00:24:07.640 Yeah.

00:24:07.900 So I'd come home before it gets dark. 0.98

00:24:10.200 I'd shoot 15. 0.61

00:24:11.400 And what yardage were you shooting? 0.98

00:24:12.700 At 20.

00:24:13.220 20 yards.

00:24:13.680 Okay.

00:24:13.900 Yeah.

00:24:14.360 Which most people could probably do.

00:24:15.900 The last probably five days, I, I was able to squeeze in 30 yards in the backyard and

00:24:21.360 that's it.

00:24:22.080 Awesome.

00:24:22.440 And that was my, and the shot that you made where you shot your doe was about 40 yards,

00:24:28.020 40 yards.

00:24:28.580 Yeah.

00:24:28.740 40 yards.

00:24:29.640 Yeah.

00:24:29.940 So that was even way past any of my practicing.

00:24:33.060 In fact, I don't, the only 40 yards I got in was here at the lodge, probably the day

00:24:39.300 before the day of that.

00:24:40.820 Cause that was a night shot.

00:24:42.280 And I remember the pressure because we, we knew that there was some good deer over there.

00:24:46.880 And so I was like, Oh, I better come out here and practice.

00:24:49.720 And that's probably the first time I started shooting 40 on target just to make sure that

00:24:55.580 I could have some range.

00:24:56.620 So being out here, are you, do you feel like this is something that you would continue to do?

00:25:03.140 Or is it like, that was fun.

00:25:04.640 And it's, you checked it off the list.

00:25:06.620 No, no, I'd want to do it.

00:25:08.600 I mean, you're not a dabbler either though.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:10.400 No.

00:25:10.760 And even like now that I have the gear, I'm like, now the barrier of entry is like way

00:25:17.540 lower, right?

00:25:18.140 Before I had to like, I have to buy these things.

00:25:20.900 What if I don't even like, you know what I mean?

00:25:22.680 So it's expensive.

00:25:24.000 It kind of forced my hand a little bit and the reps in the backyard, I really enjoyed

00:25:29.560 that.

00:25:30.040 Really?

00:25:30.700 Yeah.

00:25:31.020 What did you enjoy about it?

00:25:33.740 Being away from your wife and kids for a minute.

00:25:35.580 Like when you come home and do it.

00:25:36.660 Well, no, I had, I had Kola run around with the target so I could have moving target.

00:25:40.760 You better say it's a joke.

00:25:41.980 Just keep it above your head.

00:25:45.260 No, I, it was, how's this?

00:25:47.220 I love target shooting already with a rifle, but it's, that's a process, right?

00:25:52.200 Let's go out to the range.

00:25:53.600 Let's go somewhere else to, to do this.

00:25:56.640 Yeah.

00:25:57.480 My backyard, I'm like, oh, I'll just go back here and throw 10 arrows.

00:26:01.720 That was fun.

00:26:03.220 I don't know.

00:26:03.860 One thing that I, so I'm an observer of people and, and it's funny because a lot of the times

00:26:09.740 people will assume I'm extroverted.

00:26:13.120 Yeah.

00:26:13.660 I'm, I'm actually not.

00:26:14.680 You're all watching them all.

00:26:15.780 I'm introverted.

00:26:16.700 I'm, I can be there.

00:26:18.100 I can obviously hold, I mean, that's my job to hold conversations.

00:26:20.640 Yeah.

00:26:20.800 So clearly I can do that, but I would just rather observe and just, and one thing I've

00:26:26.620 observed about you, you probably already know this, is you're very methodical.

00:26:30.520 Hmm.

00:26:31.760 That's a word I would use to describe you.

00:26:33.880 Yeah.

00:26:34.460 When you're, cause I watched you target, target, I'm all tangled up here.

00:26:38.020 Watched you target practice from different yardages, from sitting down, from standing

00:26:43.440 up on your, getting up on your knees to drawing low, bringing it up high.

00:26:47.640 Like you're taking all of the information and feedback that these guys are sharing with

00:26:50.720 you.

00:26:50.960 Yeah.

00:26:51.340 And that you're learning real world experience and you're applying it methodically.

00:26:56.560 Totally.

00:26:57.180 I realized after day one, I'm like, oh shoot, I should have been shooting at home slightly

00:27:04.200 different than I had been.

00:27:05.480 Right.

00:27:05.680 I was standing perfectly upright, you know what I mean?

00:27:09.440 Throwing arrows.

00:27:10.320 And I realized like, I never had a single shot almost this entire time where I was standing

00:27:15.760 upright and square all the time. 0.98

00:27:18.780 I'm coming up off my butt. 0.97

00:27:20.180 I'm having a draw super low, you know what I mean? 0.60

00:27:23.760 And like half squat or whatever, because, you know, as you know, the terrain requires

00:27:29.240 that.

00:27:29.740 And so I, I realized that I was like, man, I got to practice shooting differently.

00:27:33.380 Yeah.

00:27:33.900 Yeah.

00:27:34.300 The, the adage goes, and you know, this just by playing sports when you're younger is you

00:27:39.820 play the way you practice.

00:27:41.080 Yeah.

00:27:41.480 So if, if the animal that you were hunting doesn't move and is shaped like a square with

00:27:50.200 orange neon circles on it, then you'd probably have a lot more success.

00:27:54.480 Yeah.

00:27:55.000 But when it's moving and breathing and it's fur and it's got antlers and it's trying to

00:28:00.480 stay alive as much as you're trying to kill it.

00:28:02.720 Yeah.

00:28:03.260 That training, unless you plan for it, it just goes out the window.

00:28:06.940 Isn't it, explain the first shot that you took, if you don't mind, and I'm not trying

00:28:10.540 to put you on the spot or embarrass you, but like explain that first thing, because you 0.98

00:28:14.720 told me your very first shot was something silly, was something dumb, but it happens. 0.99

00:28:19.820 And I've done it too. 0.99

00:28:20.800 I did it too.

00:28:21.720 Do you remember what it was?

00:28:22.720 Yeah.

00:28:24.540 My first shot today or my very, very first shot in the field at an animal.

00:28:29.320 Yeah.

00:28:29.640 Well, I, I was just wasn't painted.

00:28:32.040 Like I wasn't prepared.

00:28:34.080 Right.

00:28:34.480 I, I was thinking, yeah, I'm going to look and I'm going to see them and then I'll be

00:28:39.680 able to knock my arrow and, and get ready and draw.

00:28:45.040 And then by the time they get to me, I have a shot.

00:28:47.280 Right.

00:28:47.860 And it was more or less, I'm sitting, I'm sitting and all of a sudden I see a herd run

00:28:52.660 by me arrow or bow, not in hand.

00:28:56.960 Maybe I had an arrow knocked, but I, my release wasn't on nothing.

00:29:01.560 It was just mad scramble chaos.

00:29:04.760 And by the time I let a, an arrow loose, they were mostly all by me.

00:29:09.880 It was a mess.

00:29:11.160 So, but there's one other thing that you do.

00:29:13.060 I don't know.

00:29:13.760 You remind me what I told you.

00:29:15.060 You didn't aim.

00:29:16.140 Oh no.

00:29:16.860 You didn't even look through the peep.

00:29:18.020 No, I didn't look through the peep.

00:29:19.200 Yeah.

00:29:19.440 I focused on the, the pin, the pins and I just shot.

00:29:24.520 And then afterwards I was like, Oh shoot.

00:29:26.060 I didn't even look through the peep.

00:29:28.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:29:29.420 Cause you've done it 15 times for two weeks.

00:29:32.060 You'd probably send another 30 or 40 arrows out here.

00:29:34.860 There's not a time where you've never done that.

00:29:37.920 Yeah.

00:29:38.880 Then you get out on the first chance and I'm not making fun of you.

00:29:42.380 No, no.

00:29:42.700 This is just part of the deal.

00:29:44.020 Totally.

00:29:44.380 The first shot that you get to take out in the field and you don't aim.

00:29:48.740 Yeah.

00:29:49.180 Isn't that wild?

00:29:50.180 Yeah.

00:29:50.560 It's crazy how much changes in real life.

00:29:52.780 Well, and then, and then it was a step, you know, principle on principle, right?

00:29:57.660 It's like, Oh peep.

00:29:58.880 Okay.

00:29:59.080 Got that down.

00:30:00.040 I think the next day I took a shot and didn't have a clean lane.

00:30:04.520 Yeah.

00:30:05.220 And hit a branch.

00:30:06.100 I'm like, Oh, okay.

00:30:07.660 God, I'm make sure there's like what my, and you said this to me, you know,

00:30:11.900 sight out your ranges and your lanes and know where you can shoot and where you can't.

00:30:16.900 Where before I think I would have just followed the deer and released regardless of trees or

00:30:22.560 I just want to think through it.

00:30:24.100 Yeah.

00:30:24.360 I told you that three days ago and not to only put you on the spot.

00:30:28.640 Cause I want to be really honest.

00:30:30.160 Yeah.

00:30:31.320 There's in this, in this arena, in this world of podcasting and influencer things.

00:30:37.200 Yeah.

00:30:37.460 Very few people are really honest about their shortcomings and, and I want to be that way.

00:30:43.200 You know, I'm not always as good as I should be, but today I saw a deer, a group of deer coming in.

00:30:49.680 I saw him about 60 yards away and I'm sitting there watching.

00:30:53.160 I'm concentrating.

00:30:53.920 I got my bow in hand.

00:30:55.040 Like I'm ready to go.

00:30:55.980 I'm fully locked in.

00:30:57.280 Yeah.

00:30:57.540 I'm sitting on a little mini tripod seat.

00:30:59.980 I see him.

00:31:00.960 I set the seat down.

00:31:02.180 I hunker down behind the blind.

00:31:04.160 I'm on my knees and I look up and I'm kind of looking.

00:31:07.520 I got my bow in hand.

00:31:08.720 Everything's ready to go.

00:31:09.680 I'm like, this is it.

00:31:10.920 This does not get any better than this.

00:31:13.300 Plenty of prep time.

00:31:14.780 Oh yeah.

00:31:14.800 Like I'm ready.

00:31:15.520 And they come over the little thing and they kind of go out and then one runs in front of me at about 35 yards, but there's another four or five.

00:31:22.600 I'm like, great.

00:31:22.980 This is the path they're going to take.

00:31:25.440 Doe comes in. 0.99

00:31:26.100 I have some doe tags.

00:31:27.220 We have a buck tag too.

00:31:28.180 Doe comes in. 0.99

00:31:28.940 She stands there, stands in the middle of the aisle, the shooting lane, broadside at 35 yards.

00:31:34.040 I'm like, sweet.

00:31:34.660 And I've already drawn back low, got up on my knees and there's this gap and it's probably like eight to 10 inch window, maybe 12, somewhere in there.

00:31:43.240 A little window of twigs that I know I can shoot through.

00:31:46.140 So I aim and I'm like looking.

00:31:48.100 I'm like, is my arrow going to fit through there?

00:31:50.200 I'm like, oh yeah, that's good.

00:31:51.520 So I aim, release.

00:31:54.140 And that arrow, I look, I'm like, where'd the arrow go?

00:31:56.340 I'm looking over there.

00:31:57.000 I didn't even see the arrow.

00:31:58.280 I set my bow.

00:31:59.220 I'm like looking for the arrow.

00:32:00.840 It pegged into the blind.

00:32:02.740 I shot my own blind.

00:32:04.280 Right in front of me.

00:32:06.160 I'm surprised it didn't just blow up in front of me.

00:32:09.440 Yeah.

00:32:09.780 But it blew up.

00:32:10.600 It hit the thing right in front of me. 1.00

00:32:12.520 I'm like, what an idiot. 1.00

00:32:14.580 Like I had just told you that two or three days ago. 1.00

00:32:16.840 So the fact that you can, and this is really important for men to understand, and we're

00:32:21.800 learning this all the time, you can know exactly what to do.

00:32:26.220 You could read all the books.

00:32:27.720 You could have all the information. 0.99

00:32:29.800 You can even have a lot of practice like I do and still do something dumb that you just 0.97

00:32:36.780 know is not the right thing to do.

00:32:38.480 Whether it's something inconsequential like this or something more serious like in your

00:32:43.580 marriage or your, your business to screw something up, even though you know what to do.

00:32:48.340 Yeah.

00:32:48.600 It's wild.

00:32:49.300 It's funny.

00:32:49.820 It's like, what's the old phrase?

00:32:51.700 Knowledge is power.

00:32:52.900 That's not really true.

00:32:54.280 Right.

00:32:54.560 It could, it can be power.

00:32:56.540 And then the other phrase is knowledge is power if put into action.

00:33:00.900 When applied.

00:33:01.640 When applied.

00:33:02.220 Right.

00:33:02.660 And that's not completely true.

00:33:04.380 It's, it's, that knowledge is powerful when applied over and over in an effective manner.

00:33:10.680 Yeah.

00:33:11.040 And now it's powerful.

00:33:12.400 I think that's a good point.

00:33:13.900 Cause if it's just applied once, it might just be a fluke.

00:33:17.600 Totally.

00:33:18.520 And, and sometimes you do get lucky, you know, sometimes if, if it's hunting, you know, you

00:33:24.040 make a bad shot, but well, like Rick, he had an interesting shot.

00:33:27.420 He made a shot.

00:33:28.480 He actually thought he missed.

00:33:29.460 He thought it ricocheted off a branch or something.

00:33:31.880 And he went down there and sure enough, you know, I don't know if it ricocheted first or

00:33:35.960 it hit the deer and then ricocheted, but it hit her neck and kind of flew off and he

00:33:40.520 didn't even think he hit her.

00:33:41.820 Yeah.

00:33:42.860 There's a little luck in that.

00:33:44.080 And that happens.

00:33:44.840 But Rick comes out here and he shoots anywhere from three to five to six deer every single

00:33:50.620 year.

00:33:51.220 Yeah.

00:33:51.640 So it's, you know, it's not luck.

00:33:54.640 He might've got a little bit of series of fortunate events in that situation, but it's

00:33:59.340 more than luck because he's consistently doing it.

00:34:01.720 And you know, it's powerful because he's consistently doing it.

00:34:04.340 Totally.

00:34:04.900 Totally.

00:34:05.600 Hmm.

00:34:06.380 Yeah.

00:34:06.780 That's awesome.

00:34:09.480 Man, let me step away from this conversation very briefly.

00:34:12.560 I'm very excited to tell you that this is the week our powerful brotherhood, the iron

00:34:16.760 council opens up this Friday, the 14th.

00:34:19.380 And I cannot wait to have you band with us.

00:34:21.820 I see way too many men going at it alone in life.

00:34:25.640 And I can't help, but wonder when I see so many men struggle to achieve what they want,

00:34:30.380 why they won't surround themselves with men who will help them on their path.

00:34:34.060 I mean, for thousands of years, men have been banding together in tribes and it isn't until

00:34:39.200 relatively recently that we have stopped and traded that in for frankly, a miserable,

00:34:45.840 isolated life.

00:34:47.400 I get it.

00:34:48.220 You're busy, you're overworked, you're underpaid, and you don't know if it's right for you,

00:34:53.960 but you really ought to give this a shot.

00:34:56.920 And if it doesn't work out, leave.

00:34:58.960 It's really as simple as that.

00:35:00.800 I'm just tired of watching men bang their dang heads against the wall to produce the 1.00

00:35:04.860 same results they have for years, if not decades.

00:35:08.360 So I want you to join us now.

00:35:10.220 Again, we're going to be opening up later this week, Friday, the 14th.

00:35:12.960 You can head to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil to watch a quick video, learn a little bit

00:35:17.760 more, and finally band with us.

00:35:20.480 Do something different.

00:35:21.700 You know, you've done all the goal planning, goal setting, goal tracking.

00:35:25.760 You've been to all the conferences.

00:35:27.240 You've read all the books.

00:35:28.160 And I'm not saying those things are bad.

00:35:30.100 I'm just saying do something different.

00:35:31.820 This is different.

00:35:32.540 This is an elevated experience, and it's going to help push you in the right direction.

00:35:36.340 Again, orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.

00:35:40.640 Excuse me.

00:35:42.240 You can do that right after the show.

00:35:45.320 For now, let's get back to it with Kip.

00:35:49.320 Last night, we were talking about, we both shot out or in an area, hunted in an area similar

00:35:55.860 to each other.

00:35:56.400 I mentioned this to you last night about, I've never watched a spider do its full web before

00:36:02.520 and I literally sat there and watched a spider build a web, right?

00:36:08.920 And it was kind of fascinating.

00:36:10.320 And I was thinking about the importance of presence of what's around you, what's going

00:36:14.920 on around you that we often have like no idea what's happening around us because we're so

00:36:21.580 busy.

00:36:21.920 And one thing that I completely thought was interesting about this hunt is how hard it

00:36:28.360 was not to play on my phone.

00:36:30.900 Oh, it's nearly impossible.

00:36:32.520 It's super hard.

00:36:33.960 It's so hard.

00:36:34.640 Yeah.

00:36:34.840 Cause you're like, well, I'm just staring at this branch.

00:36:37.440 I don't see anything.

00:36:38.580 Oh, well, I just got my phone.

00:36:40.160 Like you want to distract yourself so bad and it's, it's crazy hard.

00:36:47.260 I love technology and you do too, right?

00:36:49.700 Like it's, it's amazing.

00:36:51.340 We're doing this podcast.

00:36:52.240 We're able to reach men, share a cool message.

00:36:56.020 And also it's such a thorn in our side.

00:36:59.880 Yeah.

00:37:00.040 It's, it's debilitating in many ways.

00:37:03.140 You know, there's, there's people who cannot function, literally cannot function.

00:37:07.240 And they'll have mental breakdowns, episodes.

00:37:09.320 If they were left to sit with themselves and their thoughts, they couldn't deal.

00:37:13.320 I know it.

00:37:14.080 Yeah.

00:37:14.500 I mean, you do have to find ways to distract yourself.

00:37:17.020 You know, I, some, I, sometimes I will get out the phone or I'll text or whatever, make

00:37:20.980 an Instagram post while I'm sitting there.

00:37:22.760 Yeah.

00:37:23.480 Um, like I did this morning, uh, or like read a book, you know, some people listen to music,

00:37:29.920 but it is interesting over time.

00:37:33.000 I remember the first time I had to sit, not had to, but I sat in a tree stand and, and

00:37:38.960 didn't do that Western style of hunting, which is mostly spot and stock.

00:37:42.920 Yeah.

00:37:43.260 So you're sitting in a tree stand.

00:37:44.780 I'm in Minnesota and I'm like, God, this is boring.

00:37:47.460 Just sit here.

00:37:48.140 And it was so hard.

00:37:49.160 Yeah.

00:37:49.600 It was, I hated it.

00:37:50.980 It was miserable.

00:37:51.640 I'm like, Oh, I remember going out at night.

00:37:53.640 I'm like, Oh, we have to go out again.

00:37:54.760 I got to sit for three or four hours.

00:37:57.060 And now I love that time.

00:38:00.340 Yeah.

00:38:00.660 I just go up and sit in the stand and it's cold typically when we go and I got all the

00:38:05.920 right gear on the first year I didn't first couple of years, I was miserably cold, got

00:38:10.040 all the right gear.

00:38:10.880 And this is my position right here.

00:38:12.320 If you're not watching this on YouTube, it's just, I got my bow sitting right here on my

00:38:16.480 lap and my arms are curled and I'm hunkered up and I'm just like, just checking

00:38:20.820 stuff out.

00:38:21.720 Yeah.

00:38:22.140 And it's awesome, man.

00:38:23.340 What was the transition?

00:38:25.040 Cause you hated it so much that first time.

00:38:27.180 So what?

00:38:28.580 Just reps?

00:38:29.420 I think, no, I don't think just reps.

00:38:32.220 I think it was more mindset.

00:38:33.240 Yeah.

00:38:34.360 Of just, just enjoy the time that you have because there's not a lot of time where we

00:38:40.000 get to decompress that way.

00:38:42.000 Very little time like that.

00:38:44.160 Even if, even if you're at home alone, let's say your family's out on vacation or wherever

00:38:48.080 and you're home by yourself.

00:38:49.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:50.460 Shorts on YouTube.

00:38:51.540 Right.

00:38:51.560 Or you call a buddy and you go like, but when's the last time you actually just sat there with

00:38:56.600 yourself and just thought about things, process things, ask yourself powerful questions.

00:39:04.660 I think that's what I do now.

00:39:05.780 A lot of visualization actually, I noticed.

00:39:07.620 Totally.

00:39:08.120 I'll sit out there and I'll think about, you know, what does next week look like?

00:39:11.080 But even, even more powerful than that, you know, what does the year look like?

00:39:15.440 Like looking back on my existence on this planet, what do I want that to look like?

00:39:20.900 Or what ways am I failing right now?

00:39:23.280 In, in what areas should I shore them up?

00:39:25.600 And sometimes I even will grab my phone and I have my notes on my app, like an app for

00:39:30.060 notes.

00:39:30.980 And as I think about these things, I'm like, oh, that's cool.

00:39:33.540 Let me thought, write that thought down.

00:39:35.240 Let me write that note down or.

00:39:36.660 Yeah.

00:39:36.980 I mean, even last night I was, I was thinking about the principles of some principles I'm

00:39:41.700 learning from hunting, you know?

00:39:43.320 And I'm like, yeah, interesting.

00:39:44.960 I can see that correlation between hunting and life and, and you just contemplate.

00:39:50.440 I, I wonder, this is, I get this from running, distance running.

00:39:54.800 And I think a lot of people do from running because you're forcing yourself to be with yourself,

00:39:59.720 especially if you don't have headphones on.

00:40:01.740 Yeah.

00:40:01.980 And I think people get that same kind of removal, right?

00:40:06.380 From distraction and noise.

00:40:08.280 I think it's really good.

00:40:09.540 It's great for mental fortitude.

00:40:11.100 You know, people will ask us a lot of the times, like, how do you develop mental fortitude?

00:40:14.840 Sit alone by yourself for a minute.

00:40:16.800 Yeah.

00:40:17.420 Cause you're not going to have those distractions.

00:40:19.940 Well, running is a great example.

00:40:21.280 I don't like running the way it sounds like you do.

00:40:23.540 I hate it.

00:40:24.180 But like mentally you, you start thinking.

00:40:26.440 And you have to.

00:40:27.440 Yeah.

00:40:27.760 Because if you don't, what are you going to focus on?

00:40:30.120 The running.

00:40:30.560 The pain, the pain, right?

00:40:32.760 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 My hips hurt.

00:40:33.740 This knee's a little weird.

00:40:35.200 Oh, my foot's falling asleep.

00:40:36.500 My toenail feels like it's falling off.

00:40:38.460 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:38.820 This is stupid. 1.00

00:40:39.960 Why am I doing this? 1.00

00:40:41.060 I should be at home.

00:40:42.000 I got all these other things.

00:40:43.300 And so you start going down this negative cycle and being like so focused on all the crappy things.

00:40:51.220 But I actually remember this when I was overseas deployed.

00:40:54.140 If I focused on the deployment itself, it was actually really challenging in a lot of ways.

00:41:02.400 Yeah.

00:41:02.460 But if I focused on other things, a greater mission, a greater purpose, a sense of pride, a sense of duty, patriotism, what I was going to do when I got back, what my life was like up to this point.

00:41:17.760 And I started visualizing and thinking about that stuff.

00:41:20.380 All the hardship went away.

00:41:22.140 Yeah.

00:41:22.420 If it didn't go away, it was there.

00:41:23.940 Yeah.

00:41:24.100 It just became less relevant in my life.

00:41:26.140 If it wasn't a driving factor for you.

00:41:28.340 Right.

00:41:29.380 Yeah.

00:41:29.580 Totally.

00:41:30.200 What other lessons have you learned this week?

00:41:32.460 You know, I was, and this might be, I mean, this might be a noob thing to say.

00:41:36.800 Like someone that hunts or even you, you might hear what I'm about to say and think, Kip, no, that's not a good principle.

00:41:42.560 But it's a principle that I've accepted.

00:41:44.880 I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

00:41:46.720 I realized I found myself not looking forward a lot.

00:41:53.300 Looking down?

00:41:53.940 I don't quite understand what you mean.

00:41:55.180 No, looking behind me.

00:41:55.980 Okay.

00:41:56.640 Like I, I kept like when I'm, when I'm looking around for activity, I would look in the primary areas where, where I think the deer are coming.

00:42:06.500 And then sometimes when they would pass, I would keep my eye on them the whole time until they're out of sight.

00:42:13.240 Even though they're out of range, outside of my realm of control, there's nothing I could do to that deer.

00:42:20.660 They were, they became a distraction to me versus keeping my eyes forward on what was coming next.

00:42:29.620 And I thought, what a profound analogy of life where there's this deer, it's 20, you know, it's a hundred yards out.

00:42:39.040 And what am I doing?

00:42:40.520 Staring at it.

00:42:41.580 And you can't do anything about it.

00:42:42.800 I can't take that shot.

00:42:44.160 It's, it already passes me.

00:42:45.540 It doesn't even know I'm there.

00:42:46.880 Right. 1.00

00:42:47.160 So there's zero reason for me to be watching that damn deer. 0.99

00:42:50.720 Meanwhile, no new herd shows up and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not ready for it. 0.99

00:42:56.000 And, and I, and I thought about that this morning because I, I got distracted, uh, to, to access deer came to my right at a range and I'm like, turning my back to, to the target where the target will be.

00:43:11.240 And I'm like looking over, just watching them.

00:43:13.560 And I'm like, why am I doing that?

00:43:15.700 I have no idea why I'm doing it.

00:43:16.960 I'm like, no, out of sight, out of mind, outside of my realm of control.

00:43:20.060 All my shots are going to come from here and are going to be these lanes.

00:43:25.240 Once they're past my lanes, I'm going to, I'm not going to pay attention to them anymore.

00:43:29.640 So I think the principle is that you extracted is a good principle.

00:43:34.400 Yeah.

00:43:35.380 Although you would say, keep your eye on all those.

00:43:37.400 Yeah.

00:43:37.840 And let me tell you why, because I'm going to give you a principle that I, that I would take away then that I had this week.

00:43:43.160 So I was doing the same thing you were doing that you're talking about.

00:43:46.020 Here's my lanes. 0.72

00:43:47.240 We're sitting in the morning.

00:43:48.740 We made a blind.

00:43:49.700 You all came out and helped me make this blind.

00:43:51.700 So it's a natural built in blind.

00:43:53.700 And we know the deer lanes.

00:43:55.280 We know where they're coming from, where they're going in the morning.

00:43:57.600 And sure enough, this is where they're going to come from.

00:43:59.460 So I'm sitting there, not a single thing.

00:44:02.360 So I stand up towards the end of the morning, sit, I stand up and I'm, and I've got my bow in my hand and I'm kind of like, I'm not like doing jumping jacks in the stand by any means, but, but I'm like stretching my back and like, kind of like working the,

00:44:19.680 working the kinks out, you know, and I hear a noise behind me.

00:44:23.300 Oh yeah.

00:44:24.300 And I slowly turn around and about 30 yards, there's a really nice buck. 0.99

00:44:28.700 And I'm like, Oh shit. 0.97

00:44:31.520 Like, so I kind of freeze up and I'm looking that buck walks within 15 feet of me and I've 0.99

00:44:39.400 got my bow in my hand and he's walking and he's kind of hunkered down and he notices something.

00:44:45.300 He kind of looks over towards me and we had a little bit of a standoff for a couple of minutes.

00:44:49.040 And at this point he's so close.

00:44:50.920 I can't draw my bow without him just blowing out of there.

00:44:53.660 Yeah.

00:44:53.880 What I was thinking is maybe he doesn't see me at all.

00:44:57.120 And he walks past me when he walks past me, I'll draw and take my shot.

00:45:02.880 But he stopped, looked at me.

00:45:04.900 We had our couple of minutes standoff and then he just kind of, he knew something was up.

00:45:08.520 He didn't quite bust me, but he knew something was up and he just trotted off and I never saw him again.

00:45:13.260 But if I would have been ready though, and saw him maybe 50 yards out from a flank and been aware of my surroundings, I would have been ready.

00:45:23.940 So when he came in at 15 feet, I would have already been drawn.

00:45:28.920 He was standing broadside.

00:45:30.620 I would have just been sitting there waiting for him.

00:45:32.940 Easy little chip shot.

00:45:34.700 Yeah.

00:45:35.960 So the real life application of that is sure.

00:45:39.980 Keep your eyes forward.

00:45:41.280 Look for opportunities where they're going to present themselves, but don't neglect other threats.

00:45:48.960 Don't neglect other responsibilities that you might have that you need to take care of and other opportunities that might come completely out of left field because you're so hyper fixated on what you think is going to happen.

00:46:00.980 Totally.

00:46:01.500 Totally.

00:46:02.000 Well, and I love that because how often, or at least for me this entire week, I sit in a blind and my natural human instinct is they're going to come right here.

00:46:14.120 Right.

00:46:15.100 Why?

00:46:15.740 Says who? 0.65

00:46:16.240 Why?

00:46:16.800 I have no idea.

00:46:18.360 I don't even know where I came up with that BS, right?

00:46:20.600 Like, and, and what's ironic.

00:46:23.240 And I was thinking about this, like the other night, I was like, oh, they're going to come here.

00:46:27.100 I'm like, I've never seen them come from there, but I think they should.

00:46:32.240 They should.

00:46:32.800 Cause this would be an easy shot for me to make.

00:46:34.820 Cause that would be awesome.

00:46:35.680 Yeah.

00:46:36.220 And, and then I look over the past couple of days, I'm like, yeah, that's never happened. 0.82

00:46:39.740 I don't think a single deer came from where I thought they should, which means that like, man, the, the ability to pivot and adjust because you're, you can't, if you overly double down and assume these expectations of how it's going to go, when they come to your left, you're like, oh, damn, I wasn't even ready for that.

00:47:02.000 And to be frank, that, that happened this morning.

00:47:04.120 I was so set up because I saw two deer come on, come in on the right that I thought, oh, that's the path they're going to take.

00:47:12.640 And then I mentioned this to you.

00:47:14.600 I had a handful of bucks that came to my left and they came in.

00:47:21.400 I didn't, I wasn't even looking that direction.

00:47:23.940 So I didn't anticipate them.

00:47:26.000 They came in close.

00:47:27.420 I was in a position in, in that blind where I couldn't even draw.

00:47:30.760 You can't draw a turn.

00:47:31.420 Like I'd have to like move inside the blind, then draw.

00:47:34.900 And then they'd see it.

00:47:35.320 Yeah, man.

00:47:36.040 I was like, oh, what a mess.

00:47:38.820 Yeah.

00:47:39.520 I mean, you have a general idea and, and I think it's, I'm glad we're talking about it in this context of, yeah, these are hunting stories and lessons.

00:47:46.800 Yeah.

00:47:47.080 But they're very applicable in real life.

00:47:49.040 You know, the, the situation I had with this deer that, that buck I was telling you about.

00:47:52.820 Yeah.

00:47:53.020 When I, when I saw it, I noticed, I'm like, man, that's a sickly looking deer.

00:47:57.480 Yeah.

00:47:57.720 I thought he was malnourished, dehydrated, maybe on his tail end of his life.

00:48:01.340 I'm like, this deer doesn't look healthy.

00:48:03.300 He was big.

00:48:04.180 Yeah.

00:48:04.520 In his rack, but he was.

00:48:05.440 But something was wrong.

00:48:05.960 Yeah.

00:48:06.380 Yeah.

00:48:06.520 I'm like, this is weird.

00:48:07.720 But when he was standing broadside, I noticed something.

00:48:10.880 His left back leg was shot, right?

00:48:15.340 Kind of where, where the knee would be.

00:48:17.020 Yeah.

00:48:17.920 And what I realized is that was a deer that, that Rick had shot at, or he, he hit, uh, 48

00:48:26.680 hours earlier in a completely different part of the ranch.

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.380 And so Rick shot this deer and he, and he and I went and looked for it.

00:48:35.600 We, we spent maybe an hour, a little over an hour, no blood, no trail, could not find

00:48:40.760 a single thing.

00:48:42.160 Yeah.

00:48:43.140 And then because I'm out in the field, lo and behold, this deer, now I wish I could have 0.91

00:48:48.320 shot it and ended its life and, you know, put it, put it out of its misery a little bit 0.96

00:48:52.600 and harvested the deer.

00:48:54.240 And that would have been a really cool story, but I think it also illustrates that if you

00:49:00.580 are putting in the reps, things are going to happen.

00:49:04.080 Yeah.

00:49:04.400 So, and they may not be what you think is going to happen.

00:49:08.160 Right.

00:49:08.460 Yeah.

00:49:08.760 It might be a complete surprise, but one thing I do know, cause you can't anticipate that.

00:49:13.960 But one thing I do know is if you're not out there doing it, nothing will ever happen.

00:49:19.060 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:20.140 But if you go out there, like we go out every morning, we go out every afternoon.

00:49:24.240 80% of the time, nothing.

00:49:26.740 Yeah.

00:49:26.940 But that 20% of the time works out because we put ourselves in the position.

00:49:32.080 And then the only question is, are we prepared for the opportunity?

00:49:35.260 Yeah.

00:49:35.280 For when it shows itself in a manner that you don't expect.

00:49:38.580 Exactly.

00:49:39.420 Yeah.

00:49:40.200 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:41.420 Oh man, there's so many applicable lessons from it.

00:49:44.120 I love it.

00:49:44.780 So that's cool.

00:49:45.800 So as far as hunting goes, you said you're going to do it more.

00:49:49.620 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:50.400 Uh, do you think like this, obviously, you know, of course you have an invite every year

00:49:54.800 to come do this with us.

00:49:56.740 Are there other hunts that you've even thought about or considered or curious about?

00:50:01.460 Yeah.

00:50:01.740 I mean, I, in fact, I text my brother, you know, are the two noobs that are hunting with 1.00

00:50:06.760 each other?

00:50:07.240 My brother, Jared.

00:50:07.960 And I said, dude, we got to do archery instead.

00:50:11.100 Yeah.

00:50:11.560 Is what I told him.

00:50:12.500 Yeah.

00:50:12.680 Well, you'll get to Utah and yeah, let's go back to rifle.

00:50:17.200 Yeah.

00:50:17.560 Cause I hit zero shots.

00:50:19.980 But, but I love the, I don't know.

00:50:22.440 I just, I love the intimacy of it.

00:50:25.060 Right.

00:50:25.380 Like, I don't know.

00:50:27.600 Well, you said it today, this morning when those deer walked by you at that close yardage,

00:50:32.280 isn't it awesome?

00:50:33.340 Yeah.

00:50:33.720 It was just awesome.

00:50:34.560 They don't even know I'm here.

00:50:36.020 Totally.

00:50:36.620 Like even though I didn't have the shot, I'm like, I'm just gonna, yeah.

00:50:39.840 I'm just gonna watch them at least and then maybe they'll present themselves in a better

00:50:43.320 circumstance.

00:50:43.820 But if not, I'll enjoy it.

00:50:45.640 It's still cool.

00:50:46.060 Yeah.

00:50:46.760 Yeah.

00:50:47.120 Yeah.

00:50:47.380 Okay.

00:50:47.560 So archery hunting, if you can even draw out in Utah for what?

00:50:51.160 Mule deer?

00:50:51.840 Yeah.

00:50:52.040 Mule deer.

00:50:52.940 Yeah.

00:50:53.080 I do mule deer, turkey.

00:50:54.700 I think.

00:50:55.240 Air.

00:50:55.620 And, and it's easier to draw in Utah for archery because less people are doing archery and

00:51:01.340 the whole mountain's not getting shot up.

00:51:03.200 So now I, I, I assume that it'll be better hunting or more enjoyable hunting because

00:51:09.800 the whole mountain's not a bunch of guys with orange jackets on shooting at each other.

00:51:14.620 You know what I mean?

00:51:15.160 Yeah.

00:51:15.620 And it'd be a little more intimate.

00:51:16.640 And I think the archery window is really long.

00:51:19.520 It's longer.

00:51:20.180 It's before the rifle season.

00:51:22.040 Yeah.

00:51:22.340 Which is before they get all, they're all scared.

00:51:24.260 Yeah.

00:51:26.080 And, and it's different to, you know, we're doing a lot of blind sitting here.

00:51:29.840 Yeah.

00:51:29.980 We're looking for lanes and track and water and seeing where the deer are funneling to

00:51:34.400 and from.

00:51:35.360 Yeah.

00:51:35.560 Uh, but you know, in Utah, it's going to be spot and stock.

00:51:39.280 Yeah.

00:51:39.620 So you'll glass up on it.

00:51:40.800 You'll, you'll hole up on a mountain, glass them up and then find them and try to work

00:51:44.140 yourself into them.

00:51:45.040 And by the way, you guys have used that term multiple times this week.

00:51:48.500 Spot and stock.

00:51:48.800 Yeah.

00:51:49.120 And, and I, I get obviously the general gist.

00:51:52.340 Yeah.

00:51:52.620 I have no idea what that looks like.

00:51:54.860 Yeah.

00:51:55.300 I mean that as in its simplest form, you, you go find yourself a really good vantage point

00:52:00.260 to observe where you think the deer are.

00:52:02.700 Maybe, you know, where they're bedded down or where their trails and tracks and routes

00:52:05.880 are.

00:52:06.540 You go sit up the top of a mountain and you glass, which is basically looking through your

00:52:10.900 binoculars.

00:52:11.700 So you glass up a mountain or glass up a hillside, whatever.

00:52:14.860 And then you find what you want.

00:52:16.680 And then your job is to work yourself into a shooting position.

00:52:20.320 That's the stock part.

00:52:21.480 So the spot, I spotted it and stock is work yourself into a good shot.

00:52:27.680 And are you typically doing that in pairs to help each other or always?

00:52:32.640 Well, different states are different.

00:52:34.400 So, um, one thing I've done in the past is I've actually used radios where I go out in

00:52:38.480 a pair and we'll spot and stock.

00:52:41.420 So you'll spot up a, a, a mule deer, for example, and one guy will stay at the vantage

00:52:47.620 point with a radio and earbuds in.

00:52:49.780 Yeah.

00:52:50.180 And he'll say, okay, it's, you know, it's a hundred yards or, Hey, you're 20 yards out.

00:52:54.480 It's up the hill.

00:52:54.920 It's a whole other story.

00:52:55.780 Once you start hiking down there, terrain looks different.

00:52:58.480 Right.

00:52:58.820 You don't even know if you're in the right spot.

00:52:59.740 Well, and if you look at binoculars, once you start getting out a certain distance, it's

00:53:04.820 very hard to tell three dimensionally.

00:53:06.860 Yeah.

00:53:07.220 So you might think you're a guy who's spotting for you might think that you're directly in

00:53:13.380 line with, with a deer and you could actually be 50 yards in front of it.

00:53:18.560 Yeah.

00:53:18.740 But it's hard to see when you're that far out.

00:53:20.600 Yeah.

00:53:21.440 But some States that's not legal.

00:53:23.320 Oh really?

00:53:24.140 To, to have pairs.

00:53:25.760 Radio communication.

00:53:26.860 Ah, I didn't know that.

00:53:28.040 So you really have to check your regulations.

00:53:30.940 What is legal?

00:53:31.640 What isn't?

00:53:32.180 Some people have used drones.

00:53:34.340 Some, some States don't allow it.

00:53:36.480 You know, other places will allow a lighted knock.

00:53:41.440 Other places don't allow it.

00:53:43.100 So if you're going to go hunt somewhere, make sure you really want to know the regulations

00:53:47.120 and, and, or you want to hunt with somebody who's, who knows the area and hunts there.

00:53:52.140 Cause they're going to know that's legal.

00:53:53.780 That's not.

00:53:54.440 Yeah.

00:53:54.620 That's been obvious this week.

00:53:56.800 Yeah.

00:53:57.460 How so?

00:53:58.020 Well, talking with you and Rick and the fact that you guys have been here multiple years,

00:54:02.500 like, it's like, Oh no, no, this is where they come down.

00:54:06.080 This is, you guys have worked that process out already.

00:54:10.580 We've earned that.

00:54:11.780 Yeah.

00:54:12.260 Right.

00:54:12.500 Through being here.

00:54:13.740 Yeah, totally.

00:54:14.660 Some people, and, and there's ways to, there's ways to shortcut as James Altucher would say,

00:54:20.240 skip the line.

00:54:21.420 Yeah.

00:54:21.720 And you're doing it.

00:54:22.460 Yeah.

00:54:22.940 Because you're going with guys who've been out here.

00:54:24.760 You haven't been out here for six years.

00:54:26.140 Totally.

00:54:26.400 So you get all of the advantage of what Rick and I know without any of that work, but

00:54:32.720 that's a beautiful thing.

00:54:33.720 Yeah.

00:54:33.960 I, but I think if you guys, if this was your first time out here, Oh my gosh, we would be

00:54:39.500 all over the place.

00:54:40.560 You don't even want to know what our first, our first year out here, the guide was like,

00:54:45.420 all right, there you go.

00:54:46.160 We're like, okay.

00:54:47.060 And we'd hunted.

00:54:48.180 So we went out, we were chasing them all over, blowing them out of places for like three

00:54:54.940 or four days.

00:54:55.540 And we tell the guy, we're like, Hey man, like we can't, we're not having success.

00:55:00.140 Nobody had shot a deer.

00:55:01.540 I think we shot here this week, like three or four the first day.

00:55:04.240 Yeah.

00:55:05.620 And we can't find anything.

00:55:07.580 We don't know where they're at.

00:55:08.280 He's like, Oh, you can't.

00:55:09.860 It's like, you're not supposed to like chase them.

00:55:11.420 You got to go.

00:55:14.560 Information that could have been helpful yesterday.

00:55:16.480 He's like, don't you know how fast they are?

00:55:18.660 What are you guys trying to chase them for?

00:55:19.820 He's like, you got to ambush them.

00:55:21.280 And they're Hawaiian.

00:55:21.940 So he's like, you got to ambush them, brother.

00:55:23.820 Like, why don't you tell me that?

00:55:26.400 You have to earn it or you have to pay for it.

00:55:30.700 Yeah.

00:55:31.020 And I think that's a really good lesson too.

00:55:33.340 Cause that's true.

00:55:34.580 And some people will balk at the paying for.

00:55:38.060 Why else?

00:55:39.240 Why would, how else are you going to get the information or the, or the insights?

00:55:42.820 You need a coach to do that.

00:55:44.080 No, I don't need a coach. 1.00

00:55:45.500 I just don't want to have to do this shit for five years. 0.99

00:55:47.820 So I've got the financial resources. 0.99

00:55:49.580 So why wouldn't I basically look at, look at it this way.

00:55:53.140 And this is what people don't understand about money.

00:55:54.860 And this is way off topic.

00:55:56.960 Money is not this just like isolated thing with inherent value.

00:56:04.720 That's how some people like a dollar bill is worth a dollar bill.

00:56:07.000 No, it's tied to so many things.

00:56:11.280 And one of the things that's tied to is an exchange of value.

00:56:16.480 Yeah.

00:56:16.560 So let's say, for example, I say to you, Kip, let's say this, you want to go hunting.

00:56:24.760 I say, great, Kip, I'll take you to Hawaii.

00:56:27.600 And in exchange, I actually need some, uh, some services for my business with systems

00:56:33.660 and structures and technology and organization.

00:56:36.160 You're like, cool, we'll trade.

00:56:37.560 Yeah.

00:56:38.100 Okay.

00:56:38.280 That works out pretty well.

00:56:39.300 Right.

00:56:39.680 Yeah.

00:56:39.900 But let's say you said to me, Hey, Ryan, I really want to go hunting.

00:56:44.880 Can I trade?

00:56:45.640 I'm like, well, I don't need anything that you offer.

00:56:47.440 Yeah.

00:56:47.880 Guess what happens?

00:56:48.580 No transaction.

00:56:50.680 But if we have this third little factor, which is a piece of paper, now you can give

00:56:55.700 me the little piece of paper and I can go buy a car because that's what I need in my

00:57:01.240 life right now.

00:57:01.900 You get the hunt.

00:57:02.560 I get the car and we still are able to exchange value.

00:57:06.860 We're able to trade.

00:57:08.020 People don't understand that about money.

00:57:10.320 They think it's just this inherent valuable thing.

00:57:13.220 It isn't.

00:57:14.300 And so when, when somebody says, Oh, you're going to pay for that.

00:57:17.580 That's lame.

00:57:18.080 It's like, no, I'm not paying money for it.

00:57:20.620 I'm trading my set of skills for something that I want.

00:57:26.360 Yeah.

00:57:26.760 That's all it is.

00:57:27.720 Yeah.

00:57:28.460 People don't see it that way.

00:57:29.580 It's very interesting.

00:57:30.280 That's why people struggle with money so much.

00:57:31.980 They don't get it.

00:57:32.340 Well, this is where, why they struggle with being successful too.

00:57:35.640 How do you mean?

00:57:36.080 Well, I mean, I think sometimes we don't focus on, are you providing value?

00:57:41.420 Yeah.

00:57:41.660 Well, great point.

00:57:42.440 Like you, you want, well, I mean, not to get all crazy here, but like you want more

00:57:47.780 people to attend the WNBA and make a lot of money.

00:57:50.500 What do you do?

00:57:51.380 Make it valuable enough for people to watch.

00:57:53.960 Right.

00:57:54.320 Oh, they don't want to.

00:57:55.440 Oh, bad business idea.

00:57:57.540 Right.

00:57:58.460 Like make smaller stadiums, like whatever you need to do to like lower the profitable.

00:58:02.240 Well, I don't know what, right?

00:58:04.640 But if it doesn't bring in money, then it's not providing value.

00:58:09.600 Right.

00:58:10.160 That's, that's how people say that's valuable to me or that's important to me is by paying.

00:58:14.920 And if they don't pay and, and it's not like a personal thing, it's just, there's not a

00:58:20.520 market for it.

00:58:21.300 That's the problem.

00:58:22.020 People conflate value with worth.

00:58:25.140 Yeah.

00:58:25.420 And I'm, I'm not talking about the worth of an object.

00:58:28.100 I'm talking about human worth.

00:58:29.600 Yeah.

00:58:30.060 Just because you might not have a skill that's as valuable to me as something else doesn't

00:58:34.460 mean you're worth less as a human being.

00:58:37.140 Yeah.

00:58:37.440 But I think people want to get paid on their human worth rather than getting compensated

00:58:43.300 on the value they add to society.

00:58:45.700 Totally.

00:58:46.020 And that's the problem.

00:58:46.940 Yeah.

00:58:47.100 And it's the problem both ways, right?

00:58:49.140 Yes.

00:58:49.460 Where successful people will be like, well, my net, my net worth is it.

00:58:53.940 And they think that is their intrinsic value as a human.

00:58:57.440 Right.

00:58:57.760 Right.

00:58:58.120 And for the individual that, that is struggling financially, they have a whole story around

00:59:03.100 that as well.

00:59:03.760 Yeah.

00:59:04.280 Yeah.

00:59:04.780 Well, to tie this back, the concept of paying for things and trading value for things.

00:59:09.420 Oh yeah.

00:59:09.780 We got to edge it.

00:59:11.620 But I, but I, I've done this long enough.

00:59:13.280 I can tie it right back in here.

00:59:15.280 So.

00:59:16.120 Reps.

00:59:16.620 Reps.

00:59:18.700 There's a lot of guys who ask me, hey, I would like to hunt.

00:59:22.820 How do I do that?

00:59:24.560 And what I would suggest to them.

00:59:26.820 Get a coach.

00:59:27.900 That's it.

00:59:28.660 That's what you did.

00:59:29.520 Yep.

00:59:29.980 And you didn't pay me as a coach.

00:59:31.600 We're friends.

00:59:32.480 Yeah.

00:59:32.720 But essentially.

00:59:33.840 You guys are, you don't think I'm here asking all kinds of questions, getting as much coaching

00:59:38.400 as possible.

00:59:39.260 Absolutely.

00:59:39.940 I am.

00:59:40.380 Ben was saying something funny.

00:59:41.700 He's like, when we had dropped you off and he's like, man, I really like Kip.

00:59:44.780 He's like, he's like super inquisitive.

00:59:47.180 And we talked a little bit about it.

00:59:48.700 I'm like, yeah, that's one of Kip's greatest qualities.

00:59:50.940 Like he's curious and you're taking full advantage of being out here.

00:59:56.000 There's a lot of people who'd come out here and act like know-it-alls.

00:59:58.940 There's a lot of people who'd come out here and just protect their ego, do whatever and

01:00:03.620 not really take any input.

01:00:05.140 But I've never seen you behave like that any, in any environment.

01:00:07.920 Like if you're going to go do a thing, it's like, I'm going to maximize.

01:00:10.600 I saw it when you went to origin immersion camp.

01:00:12.900 I see it when you go to uprisings and help us as an instructor at uprising events out here

01:00:17.480 and on hunts, that inquisitive nature, that curiosity, I think is a huge advantage that

01:00:21.700 you, that you capitalize on.

01:00:23.800 Well, and what's, what's I, in, in my world of, of like business consulting, it is a superpower

01:00:31.240 because what happens is a lot of consultants will, they'll be very knowledgeable.

01:00:37.900 They will know their skill sets.

01:00:40.400 They'll, they're amazing.

01:00:41.600 Like for all intents and purposes, they're brilliant minds, but if they're not curious,

01:00:47.720 then what will end up happening is they will be implementing or solutioning the wrong thing

01:00:53.900 because they fail to be curious.

01:00:57.180 So it's, it's like you and I, it's like, um, you know, maybe you came to me and said,

01:01:01.600 Hey Kip, I need some assistance in this particular area.

01:01:04.400 And I, and I use my experience and expertise.

01:01:06.400 So, Oh, I know what the answer is.

01:01:07.740 Right.

01:01:08.160 And you could be telling me, Oh no, no Kip, it's ABC.

01:01:10.580 And I'll be like, no, no, no, no.

01:01:11.460 It's this, it's this.

01:01:12.080 You gotta do this.

01:01:12.600 And then I get locked in, in my, in my idea of what the solution is.

01:01:18.740 If I'm not curious, if I'm curious, man, like I, I, I use this analogy all the time,

01:01:24.600 even at work.

01:01:25.300 Cause I get a little frustrated with, with some consultants.

01:01:28.080 It's like, you actually don't need to even know the solution.

01:01:32.140 You just gotta be wicked curious.

01:01:34.800 And then now you understand someone else's perspective.

01:01:37.880 And once you understand their, like understand their issue or their problem or whatever from

01:01:44.220 their seat, now it's just a matter of time to, to find the right solution.

01:01:51.020 But if I'm not connected to that and I'm making assumptions, it doesn't matter.

01:01:55.900 I'm going to fail.

01:01:57.480 Yeah.

01:01:57.820 I've heard this cause I did a lot.

01:01:59.220 I used to do a lot like in sales, my financial planning stuff.

01:02:01.940 And, and I remember this trainer, his name's was James something.

01:02:04.620 I can't remember his last name, but he would say, you know, I don't ever go in there with

01:02:08.060 problem or a solutions.

01:02:09.460 I go in there with questions.

01:02:10.980 Yeah.

01:02:11.300 And then people tell me what they want.

01:02:13.020 And I say, great sign on the dotted line.

01:02:15.360 Yeah.

01:02:15.840 So he'll go in there and say, Hey, tell me what you want out of investment portfolio.

01:02:18.760 Oh, I want a good return, but not a lot of risk.

01:02:20.900 Well, what does risk mean?

01:02:21.820 Well, this is what I'm willing to deal with.

01:02:23.540 That's the key.

01:02:24.320 What does risk mean?

01:02:25.480 Right.

01:02:25.760 Most people would be like, okay, no risk.

01:02:28.080 Yep.

01:02:28.840 Oh, hold on your risk and my risk, two different stories.

01:02:31.480 Right.

01:02:31.880 So they'll explain everything they want.

01:02:33.660 And when he's out of questions, he'd be like, so if I was able to do this and he'll read

01:02:37.180 through everything they said, I get you a good portfolio with a decent return with a

01:02:41.080 level of risk you're willing to accept.

01:02:43.020 That's going to produce this much over this amount of time to help you with this retirement.

01:02:46.560 You'd feel comfortable with something like that.

01:02:48.380 Yes.

01:02:49.180 Great.

01:02:49.400 Let me see what I can do.

01:02:50.100 He'd come back with the plan that hit everything and say, here's your plan.

01:02:53.460 Here's what you said you wanted.

01:02:54.580 Yeah.

01:02:54.920 What other questions?

01:02:55.720 It's so beautiful.

01:02:56.420 I remember it's kind of a weird analogy or a weird story to share this.

01:03:01.340 But I think it's applicable to, we sometimes do that really great at work.

01:03:07.020 And then when it comes to like family life, then we don't do that at all.

01:03:11.560 Solve, right?

01:03:12.320 Yeah.

01:03:12.520 I remember one of my attempts to not get divorced, you know, and this is, geez, now, almost 20

01:03:21.380 years ago.

01:03:22.100 Your first wife.

01:03:22.740 Yeah.

01:03:22.800 Almost 20 years ago.

01:03:23.640 And I remember, I'm like, I need to clarify.

01:03:28.540 And so I made a list.

01:03:30.620 I said, for me to be happy and fulfilled in our marriage, this is what I'd want.

01:03:36.500 Right.

01:03:36.920 And then I asked her to make the same list.

01:03:39.460 And then she made her list.

01:03:40.620 I made my list.

01:03:41.240 And I went, I'll absolutely do all of that.

01:03:45.820 Will you do these things?

01:03:47.820 We're solid.

01:03:49.240 Right.

01:03:49.680 But we don't, we don't do it.

01:03:51.280 Right.

01:03:51.540 We, we, it's unspoken.

01:03:52.880 We hold it in.

01:03:53.720 Oh, I think she should, or she shouldn't, but we never say those things.

01:03:56.800 And, and we've never, we got creative.

01:03:59.780 Like, even, even, uh, the book that you got quoted in, we covered it in the iron council

01:04:04.760 years and years ago around wealth.

01:04:06.600 Oh yeah.

01:04:07.100 And I've, I've made mention of this before, but it was like one of the principles out of

01:04:10.920 that book that I picked up that I was like, oh my gosh, that's so profound.

01:04:14.160 And it was like, define what wealth is.

01:04:16.760 Right.

01:04:17.020 And I was like, that's a really good point.

01:04:19.600 And so I was in the living room reading that book and I said, Hey, honey, what's, what's

01:04:23.780 wealthy?

01:04:24.460 Oh, being rich.

01:04:25.060 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:04:26.040 Like, what does it look like?

01:04:27.360 And she's like, uh, living in the house that we're already living in.

01:04:31.560 Okay.

01:04:32.220 Um, having the things we already have.

01:04:34.080 Okay.

01:04:34.480 What else?

01:04:35.580 You know what?

01:04:36.040 Being able to go to Europe at least twice a year and not be stressed out about it.

01:04:39.820 I'm like, got it.

01:04:41.440 You can do that.

01:04:42.320 And, and, but I was like, ah, that's more flexibility of time.

01:04:48.260 Than money.

01:04:49.120 Than money.

01:04:49.820 Than money in the bank account.

01:04:50.380 Right.

01:04:50.540 We have the money to do that.

01:04:51.840 Right.

01:04:52.800 Flexibility is a little bit tougher.

01:04:55.120 Okay.

01:04:55.520 And, and, and so we define things so different.

01:04:59.420 Yeah.

01:04:59.800 But we, yet we never identify what it is.

01:05:02.060 I mean, how often have, have we heard guys ask questions like, you know, my wife doesn't

01:05:06.820 appreciate me.

01:05:07.460 Oh, well, it doesn't appreciate.

01:05:09.120 What does she, what does she think it means?

01:05:11.060 Not you.

01:05:11.580 Yeah.

01:05:12.000 Cause what she thinks and what you think is probably drastically different.

01:05:15.520 Yeah.

01:05:15.960 And I've also noticed if you, like in a relationship, if, if you want to feel more appreciated and

01:05:23.160 you ask her, Hey hon, like when you, when you appreciate me, here's what I would say.

01:05:28.300 Yeah.

01:05:28.500 When you appreciate me, like, what are you doing?

01:05:32.020 Like, how do you express your appreciation?

01:05:33.820 Yeah.

01:05:33.840 That's good.

01:05:34.620 And then she would say, well, I cook you dinner and, um, you know, I, I, I'm physically intimate

01:05:40.620 with you and, uh, in the morning I, I cook you breakfast, that stuff may not speak to

01:05:47.220 you necessarily, but at least now, you know, when she's making you dinner, when you get

01:05:52.980 home, she's actually telling you, she appreciates you.

01:05:55.900 She, you might want to say, Hey, I would just like it.

01:05:58.040 If you said it to me, like, Hey hon, I love you.

01:06:00.300 Or cause I'm a words of affirmation guy.

01:06:02.560 Yeah.

01:06:02.780 So if she were to come to me and say, Hey, I really appreciate you.

01:06:06.940 That would mean more to me than a gift. 0.99

01:06:10.140 I'll buy my own shit. 0.99

01:06:11.540 I don't need you to buy me something. 0.98

01:06:13.080 But if you said to me, Hey, I really appreciate how hard you work, or I appreciate how you love

01:06:17.720 me, or I appreciate whatever.

01:06:19.740 That's significantly more valuable to me, but it's good to know what everybody thinks

01:06:23.880 about appreciation or these other things.

01:06:25.600 Well, and it's funny that you say this because a few months ago it was funny is, and I don't

01:06:31.840 remember how the conversation started, but, but Asia made something, made a comment to the 0.57

01:06:36.360 point of what she does for me to that, that helps me.

01:06:40.380 And she was like, Oh, well I do these things to help you.

01:06:42.740 And I'm like, actually those things cause stress in my life.

01:06:48.440 But now you know though.

01:06:50.040 Right.

01:06:50.440 And it's like, Oh my gosh.

01:06:51.780 Right.

01:06:52.080 Like how, how are we not on the same page?

01:06:54.660 Right.

01:06:55.240 She's thinking, Oh, I'll, I'll pull Kip into doing these things and this will be good for

01:07:00.600 him.

01:07:00.760 And this is what he needs.

01:07:01.580 And I'm like, that that's less like a hunt in Hawaii.

01:07:05.040 Well, you know, this example kind of worked out.

01:07:07.360 Right.

01:07:08.000 So, but it's just unique.

01:07:10.020 Yeah.

01:07:10.360 You know?

01:07:10.720 And if you don't have those conversations, then we're off page.

01:07:14.200 Yeah.

01:07:14.660 Yeah.

01:07:14.940 Well, brother, I'm glad you're out here, man.

01:07:16.580 This is, this has been awesome.

01:07:18.180 Yeah.

01:07:18.360 It's been good to have you out.

01:07:19.560 And I obviously we've been friends for a long time, but to be able to do this, it just

01:07:23.100 solidifies, it makes it better.

01:07:24.200 So yeah.

01:07:24.940 Well, and this is like I mentioned earlier, this has exceeded my expectations, right?

01:07:29.920 If I came out and, and got to see deer walk by, had no shot, I would have been like, awesome.

01:07:37.320 Awesome.

01:07:38.020 Yeah.

01:07:38.380 The fact that I got a kill, uh, and got some coaching, uh, you know, in the field with you

01:07:45.000 and, and from all the other guys has just been, and you're bringing food home, dude.

01:07:49.080 I know.

01:07:49.500 That's awesome.

01:07:50.060 Super awesome.

01:07:50.840 Good work, brother.

01:07:51.380 Proud of you.

01:07:51.780 Appreciate it.

01:07:54.200 Gentlemen, there you go.

01:07:55.400 My conversation with Kip Sorensen.

01:07:57.040 Like I said, he's a good, close, personal friend and, uh, you can see why I want to

01:08:01.520 have good men in my corner.

01:08:02.740 And Kip is one of those men who is just that he's, he's amazing.

01:08:07.440 And, uh, to be able to have them out on this hunt, to be able to, you know, have the privilege

01:08:12.160 of taking him on his first hunt.

01:08:13.740 I just, I was so excited about that and for him to have success and, uh, really enjoy it

01:08:19.260 is very cool.

01:08:21.120 So connect with Kip on the gram.

01:08:22.900 That's where he's most active as am I.

01:08:25.260 And, uh, let us know what you thought about the conversation.

01:08:28.420 Hopefully you'll be taking some of this information into practice and you'll be going on your first

01:08:32.600 hunt very soon.

01:08:34.740 In the meantime, know that the iron council opens up again on Friday, the 14th.

01:08:40.100 Want to have you there.

01:08:41.440 I want you to do something different.

01:08:43.140 This is different.

01:08:43.900 This is unique.

01:08:44.920 And it's going to be an experience that's going to produce different results in your life

01:08:48.420 than you're used to getting, which is probably what you want.

01:08:51.500 So check it out at order of man.com slash iron council.

01:08:55.900 All right, guys, that's all I've got for you today.

01:08:57.620 You've got your marching orders.

01:08:58.980 We'll be back for our, ask me anything tomorrow, but until then go out there, take action and become

01:09:04.220 the man you are meant to be.

Order of Man - June 11, 2024

KIPP SORENSEN ｜ Lessons Learned on a First Hunt

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