KIPP SORENSEN ｜ Lessons Learned on a First Hunt
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In this episode of The Order of Man Podcast, we talk with Kip Sorensen about his first archery experience in Hawaii. We talk about the power of curiosity and inquisitiveness, how to get into hunting for the first time, being coachable and teachable, and what that will do for your life.
Transcript
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Hunting has become such an integral part of my life, and I can't help but want to talk about all the stories and memories I've made and what hunting has done in my own life with other people.
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Many of you who listen to the podcast know my co-host, Kip Sorensen.
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When I had the opportunity to take him on his first archery hunt in Hawaii last week, I could not wait for it.
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Today, I share our conversation from the porch in Hawaii about his first archery experience.
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We talk about looking for and creating opportunities, the power of curiosity and inquisitiveness, how to get into hunting for the first time, being coachable and teachable, and what that will do for your life.
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Some of the lessons that he has learned, and of course, whether or not he was able to get his first archery kill.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.
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This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast, and welcome back.
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Thank you for joining us. If you're brand new, we interview incredible men.
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I've got a good friend and close personal friend, mentor, coach, just a good man in general, Kip Sorensen on the podcast.
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We've also had other incredible guests like Steve Rinella, Jocko Willink, Ben Shapiro, David Goggins, Andy Frisilla, Tim Tebow, Tim Kennedy.
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Just some absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal men.
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And that is my goal here, is to interview men who have interesting and unique perspectives and stories to share and information to give to us so that we can improve our own lives.
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These are scholars and athletes and warriors and everywhere in between.
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I have a very special announcement before I get into the conversation with Kip.
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We only open four times per year, and so this is our second opening of the year, and I want to have you in this brotherhood.
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I'm going to talk a little bit more about what that means later in the conversation, but guys, I'm telling you,
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if you want to find a good, tight-knit, powerful group of men who are in your corner, who are rallying behind you,
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who are supporting you, who are uplifting you, who are doing what they need to do to help you accomplish what you want to accomplish,
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You can head over to orderman.com slash Iron Council and check it out.
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Kip is also very active in the Iron Council, so this will give you a little bit of insight into the caliber of men that you'll find there.
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He is also the co-host of our Ask Me Anything podcast.
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He's an incredibly successful entrepreneur and businessman, and he's one of the best people I know.
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He's also recently started doing a lot more work in the realm of leadership and personal development,
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where he shares his own personal insights into the goods, the bads, and the uglies of corporate management and leadership.
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The lessons he's learned are valuable, whether you're in corporate America, a budding business owner, or a seasoned entrepreneur.
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He's an indirect coach to me, and he's a good friend.
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We're on the island of Molokai recording a podcast in the shack.
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Some people would come here and go, no, I'm not sleeping in the murder shower.
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I'm worried about the giant spider, or I've started naming some of the cockroaches on my floor.
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He's been in there with me for the last day or so.
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I smashed all the cockroaches in my room already.
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Well, he's upside down, but he's showing movement every so often.
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You need to put him out of his misery is what you need to do, freaking jerk.
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Well, like I said, for those who may not know, you and I are hunting on the island of Molokai in Hawaii.
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I've been out here for, I want to say this is year five or six, but we had a spot open,
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and I don't know how it really came to be, but I convinced your wife to make sure you are going to be on this trip.
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I think she was more excited initially than you were.
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So if there's an opportunity to do something, she's like all over it, and she thinks I should be all over it.
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And you're not supposed to play until all the work is done.
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The problem or the lesson I'm learning in life is the work is never done, and I'll end up working myself to death
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if I don't have a wife that helps me realize that life's also about enjoying it.
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A lot of people, because so I've been hunting for about eight years, give or take, and I've invited dozens and dozens of people to come hunt with me.
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Me and Rick and a few other guys with M42 Adventures are going to Africa later in the year.
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But of the dozens and dozens of people that I invite, it's always, this is not a good time.
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Sometimes it's money, but mostly it's, no, the timing's off.
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So what, outside of your wife saying she bought you non-refundable tickets, which is, we don't know if that's true or not.
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Outside of that, what then made you decide, all right, yeah, like, I'll go do that.
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That sounds like something I'd want to participate in.
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So I was born, I was raised by a farmer that, and as anyone that knows or was raised on a farm, you know that they actually don't make any money farming.
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So then they usually have to pick up another job.
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And so my dad, actually for the majority of my life was, well, he had dairy at first, and that's a full-time job.
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Once he got rid of the dairy, I think he worked at a gyp plant, a coal mine.
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Oh, is that the, is that the company, or is that the?
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So he worked at the gypsum plant there in, in Sevilla County.
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And then from there, I think he ended up working in the coal mines and then had also been a butcher my entire life.
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And so when it come to hunting season, there was, yeah, he never took us hunting because, well, back to that point, one of those things I think I inherited from my dad was, you don't play around when there's work to be done.
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And so just a few years ago, me and a few of my other brothers that realized this, we're like, dude, let's start, let's start hunting.
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Which is an anomaly for growing up in South Sevilla, Monroe.
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Like I've been in hunting culture kind of, but never, never went hunting.
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And so that was what was appealing about this is one, it was actually, I'm going to go with people that know probably what they're doing compared to me and my brothers.
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Well, no, I actually think you guys are in my world.
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You guys are seasoned, you know, maybe a little bit.
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So, so that was one to the primitive style of archery.
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Um, my entire life, I've always felt like, dude, it'd be awesome.
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And it still sounds awesome today to have someone drive me out to the wilderness, drop me off and say, okay, I'll see you in a month.
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And so the combination of, I can't get out of it because my wife is lying about refundable tickets, going with, with people that know what they're doing that I can learn from.
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And the fact that it was archery just made it super appealing.
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And I know what you mean when you say primitive form of archery, but I just want to do a little
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hunting, primitive, or more primitive than rifle.
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I just want to make sure, cause I know there's probably people who are listening and there's
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Uh, there's those who would shoot what you would call a traditional or trad bow, which
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So, and I know what you were saying, although that would be bad-ass too.
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Cause I know there's somebody who's listening, who's a primitive hunter and they're like, what
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For me, the, the, the step in a more primitive hunting than shooting a rifle at range.
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I mean, you've had, we've been out here for five or six days now and you, you've killed
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First archery hunt, but even rifle too, or you know, I've been rifle hunting a couple of
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And on an animal that is insanely, insanely hard to kill.
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We're shooting axis deer and these aren't white tail.
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These aren't mule deer and nothing against any of that.
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I mean, I, I white tail hunt, uh, I've mule deer hunted a little bit, never killed a
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mule deer, but these are hard, hard animals to hunt.
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So did it as a, as a new, we'll just say a new hunter.
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So as a new hunter, was this, did this meet your expectation, exceed your expectation?
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Like what, when you came before we got here, what is, what was the vision playing in your
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So I, I assumed it would be like the other hunts I've attempted.
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And that was, I'm going out and maybe I'll see something.
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If I got to shoot at it, that's like a bonus win.
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So I just expected to come out and spend some time in the trees and trying to get eyes on
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The fact that, that we've been here, what'd you say?
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Some of them were probably maybe not as, uh, careful, but I've had good shots.
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Like this morning I had five bows or five bucks in range, 30 yards.
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If I knew what I was doing better, if I was better trained, those were mine.
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That's, that's, that's the kind of opportunity I'm getting, which is just awesome.
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So the fact that I got a kill is, is exceeds my expectations.
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I'm really glad that you said you're, you're training, you're learning because so many men
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think whether it's hunting or jujitsu, which you taught, we talk a lot about or any aspect
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of life think that just because they show up either they're entitled to, or they should
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Here's the interesting thing I've, I've discovered in a lot of things, but about being a man in
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2024, there's a lot that we don't know because we grew up without fathers who didn't teach
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And you had a father who was, you know, he didn't teach you that.
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And then there's some men who their father wasn't even around at all to teach them any
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So we, we mock a guy and I'm saying we collectively society mocks men because they don't know how
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to do something they should already know as a man.
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And then a guy's like, well, fine, I'm going to go out and learn.
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I'll go invest in myself and buy a course or a program or do a Spartan race or go to
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a corporate conference so I can learn more about sales.
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And then he's mocked for trying to get better at a thing when he should already know how
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And that's why I think it's really, really important to screw all of that and just decide
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If it's hunting great, if it's jujitsu great, if it's corporate sales great, if it's learning
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how to be a better communicator or public speaker or to become an electrician or whatever your
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thing is, forget about what everybody else says and just be willing to be a beginner.
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And I know, you know, that lesson really well from jujitsu.
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But the fact that you're coming out here with low expectations, not low standards, there's
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Cause I watched you, I watched you shoot arrows out here and you don't, you're not shooting
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as if you have a low expectation or a low standard.
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You're, you're training as if, and there's, that's a really good distinction, standards
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Expectation is something largely outside of your control, but a standard to me is something
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The way I, I've, I've heard this is we often look at people and they're like, Oh, you're
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And I'm sure you've gotten this with the podcast.
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Humility is also something that I need to work on.
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We need to stop saying that because a lot of the time we're not natural.
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Because they put the reps in to become natural with it.
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And, and we, we sometimes, and I think, you know, we've talked about this.
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Sometimes we'll use that language because it excuses us.
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Oh, Ryan's a natural at hunting, AKA I'm not a natural.
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And then, and then it's almost like an excuse for me not to learn, not to do all the necessary
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Do you think it's as conscious as that, or is it just some sort of default safety mechanism
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Because I don't, I don't think anybody is deliberately or intentionally saying subconscious.
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It's just subconsciously trying to keep us safe.
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It's like, it's, it's the, it's the reasoning behind the thought.
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Like when someone's really great at something and you're not great at it, you, you'll immediately
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So you'll wish, and then the reasoning the, to the explanation of how you feel about them
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being better than you is, oh, well it's cause they're natural.
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And it, and if it's not that, then what do you do?
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Well, I'm going to go into this being really humble.
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I'm going to be teachable and I'm willing to put in the reps.
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But if I'm not willing to put in the reps, then I probably more likely have defaulted to
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the thing that like they're unique and special.
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So when it comes to reps, there's things that I've done where I've, I've put in the
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reps and I haven't ever felt like I'm getting better at it.
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Uh, and then there's other things that where I've put in the reps and I just, I don't enjoy
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So, and there's a lot of things that we have to do that we don't enjoy.
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I'm talking about things that we think are interesting and we realize I don't really like it that much.
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So how do you, how do you know that it's just a matter of reps when you don't feel like
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It's the things aren't coming together as quickly or as successfully as you would like.
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And, and what do you do to pivot either chain, you know what I'm saying?
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I mean, I think, I think the first part of that is back to the phrase that you mentioned
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I, I think where most people, where they'll get deterred from reps is because they have
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this expectation that they should be somewhere with a few reps and they're not dealing in
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Like I always find it fascinating when you follow like, uh, influencers on Instagram,
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And there's like this before and after and the, and the after is like, I mean, don't get
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And I think a lot of people don't have that reality.
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I'll work out daily for like a month or two months.
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But you go to someone and says, Hey, it, Oh, you want your black belt?
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Like not a lot of people can even deal with that.
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Not a lot of people can deal with, you know, going to university for four years, let alone,
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you know, getting your ass beat on the mat for 10, 15.
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So I don't think we're often dealing in reality first.
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And then I think the other thing is, why are you doing it?
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You probably, you're way better at, at quoting people than I do.
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But, but I think the, the quote that talks about that, the man that enjoys the walking
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will have better success than the, than the man that enjoys the destination.
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And I think it speaks to what you're saying is like, Oh, I'm not really enjoying it.
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If you're not enjoying the process, then one, we're approaching it wrong.
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Or we, the destination's not going to magically all of a sudden get you like some level of
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Like we've even talked about this sometimes, like when guys in the IC do goal setting and
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they're like, Oh, well, I'm going to get all these things together.
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Oh, you know, what's even more important is, is sitting in the blind and enjoying the moment.
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And if I can enjoy the moment, then the outcome is the outcome regardless.
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And I'm going to, I'm going to be living fulfilled in the moment.
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When you say not really worrying about the expectation or the goal so much and, and the
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way that I've looked at it as a litmus test is, would you still do the thing if you knew
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So like, for example, would you still go to the gym if you knew you'd never in your entire
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And because there's joy in that process of doing it.
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Do those people look any different than they looked a year ago or two years ago when you
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Cause they're not going to, there's a point in time where you're not going to get bigger.
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There's, there's nothing you can do outside of, you know, steroids or something, some,
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some hack to actually achieve the exponential growth that you experienced when you just
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And, and jujitsu as is, as a perfect analogy of this is it was, it was originally around
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being tough is when I started, why I started training.
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And then shortly within a few years, it was never about the belt anymore.
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Cause I want to, cause it will make me feel better.
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If it was about the belt, you would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.
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That's a long time to be waiting for something.
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For, for not just something, for a little piece of black cloth.
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Said another way, a darker target for everyone to beat up.
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Well, let's go back to, let's go back to the world of hunting.
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So first, first archery hunt, first kill, first archery kill, um, you had little expectation,
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Did you, you really only had like two weeks of shooting a bow.
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I mean, other than like, here, try making it, you know, your body's like, try shooting
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And so in two weeks, and you're actually, I was watching you on the targets.
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If we went out and competed right now, you would beat me.
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So I'm curious, and you may not believe that, but I watched you shoot with Ben from Shed
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You guys were playing buck, which is horse essentially, shooting arrows.
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And he did beat you, but you were within three or four inches on every shot.
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You don't even think you're a good shot, do you?
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I, um, I mean, maybe explain the process, right?
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So like Asia told me, Hey, you're going on this hunt.
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Uh, luckily you had an extra bow and you're like, dude, Kip, have this, have this hoy.
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I was going to say, did you feel dumb when you went in?
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Cause if I, if you embrace the fact that you're green, nobody cares pressure.
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You got to, you know, your rest, never use those rests.
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And then they're like, oh, you need this thing.
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I'm like, why is there a stick hanging on the front of this thing?
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And so I went in there, uh, they took the bow four days later.
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I went in and, uh, the guy, like they had some targets in the back.
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And then I went to sportsman's, bought a target from my backyard.
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And then for the, probably about a week and a half, my rule was every day I'm going to
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The last probably five days, I, I was able to squeeze in 30 yards in the backyard and
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And that was my, and the shot that you made where you shot your doe was about 40 yards,
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So that was even way past any of my practicing.
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In fact, I don't, the only 40 yards I got in was here at the lodge, probably the day
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And I remember the pressure because we, we knew that there was some good deer over there.
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And so I was like, Oh, I better come out here and practice.
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And that's probably the first time I started shooting 40 on target just to make sure that
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So being out here, are you, do you feel like this is something that you would continue to do?
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And even like now that I have the gear, I'm like, now the barrier of entry is like way
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Before I had to like, I have to buy these things.
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What if I don't even like, you know what I mean?
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It kind of forced my hand a little bit and the reps in the backyard, I really enjoyed
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Being away from your wife and kids for a minute.
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Well, no, I had, I had Kola run around with the target so I could have moving target.
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I love target shooting already with a rifle, but it's, that's a process, right?
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My backyard, I'm like, oh, I'll just go back here and throw 10 arrows.
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One thing that I, so I'm an observer of people and, and it's funny because a lot of the times
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I can obviously hold, I mean, that's my job to hold conversations.
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So clearly I can do that, but I would just rather observe and just, and one thing I've
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observed about you, you probably already know this, is you're very methodical.
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When you're, cause I watched you target, target, I'm all tangled up here.
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Watched you target practice from different yardages, from sitting down, from standing
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up on your, getting up on your knees to drawing low, bringing it up high.
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Like you're taking all of the information and feedback that these guys are sharing with
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And that you're learning real world experience and you're applying it methodically.
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I realized after day one, I'm like, oh shoot, I should have been shooting at home slightly
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I was standing perfectly upright, you know what I mean?
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And I realized like, I never had a single shot almost this entire time where I was standing
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I'm having a draw super low, you know what I mean?
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And like half squat or whatever, because, you know, as you know, the terrain requires
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And so I, I realized that I was like, man, I got to practice shooting differently.
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The, the adage goes, and you know, this just by playing sports when you're younger is you
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So if, if the animal that you were hunting doesn't move and is shaped like a square with
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orange neon circles on it, then you'd probably have a lot more success.
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But when it's moving and breathing and it's fur and it's got antlers and it's trying to
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stay alive as much as you're trying to kill it.
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That training, unless you plan for it, it just goes out the window.
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Isn't it, explain the first shot that you took, if you don't mind, and I'm not trying
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to put you on the spot or embarrass you, but like explain that first thing, because you
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told me your very first shot was something silly, was something dumb, but it happens.
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My first shot today or my very, very first shot in the field at an animal.
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I, I was thinking, yeah, I'm going to look and I'm going to see them and then I'll be
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able to knock my arrow and, and get ready and draw.
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And then by the time they get to me, I have a shot.
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And it was more or less, I'm sitting, I'm sitting and all of a sudden I see a herd run
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Maybe I had an arrow knocked, but I, my release wasn't on nothing.
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And by the time I let a, an arrow loose, they were mostly all by me.
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I focused on the, the pin, the pins and I just shot.
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You'd probably send another 30 or 40 arrows out here.
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There's not a time where you've never done that.
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Then you get out on the first chance and I'm not making fun of you.
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The first shot that you get to take out in the field and you don't aim.
00:29:52.780
Well, and then, and then it was a step, you know, principle on principle, right?
00:30:00.040
I think the next day I took a shot and didn't have a clean lane.
00:30:07.660
God, I'm make sure there's like what my, and you said this to me, you know,
00:30:11.900
sight out your ranges and your lanes and know where you can shoot and where you can't.
00:30:16.900
Where before I think I would have just followed the deer and released regardless of trees or
00:30:24.360
I told you that three days ago and not to only put you on the spot.
00:30:31.320
There's in this, in this arena, in this world of podcasting and influencer things.
00:30:37.460
Very few people are really honest about their shortcomings and, and I want to be that way.
00:30:43.200
You know, I'm not always as good as I should be, but today I saw a deer, a group of deer coming in.
00:30:49.680
I saw him about 60 yards away and I'm sitting there watching.
00:31:04.160
I'm on my knees and I look up and I'm kind of looking.
00:31:15.520
And they come over the little thing and they kind of go out and then one runs in front of me at about 35 yards, but there's another four or five.
00:31:28.940
She stands there, stands in the middle of the aisle, the shooting lane, broadside at 35 yards.
00:31:34.660
And I've already drawn back low, got up on my knees and there's this gap and it's probably like eight to 10 inch window, maybe 12, somewhere in there.
00:31:43.240
A little window of twigs that I know I can shoot through.
00:31:48.100
I'm like, is my arrow going to fit through there?
00:31:54.140
And that arrow, I look, I'm like, where'd the arrow go?
00:32:06.160
I'm surprised it didn't just blow up in front of me.
00:32:14.580
Like I had just told you that two or three days ago.
00:32:16.840
So the fact that you can, and this is really important for men to understand, and we're
00:32:21.800
learning this all the time, you can know exactly what to do.
00:32:29.800
You can even have a lot of practice like I do and still do something dumb that you just
00:32:38.480
Whether it's something inconsequential like this or something more serious like in your
00:32:43.580
marriage or your, your business to screw something up, even though you know what to do.
00:32:56.540
And then the other phrase is knowledge is power if put into action.
00:33:04.380
It's, it's, that knowledge is powerful when applied over and over in an effective manner.
00:33:13.900
Cause if it's just applied once, it might just be a fluke.
00:33:18.520
And, and sometimes you do get lucky, you know, sometimes if, if it's hunting, you know, you
00:33:24.040
make a bad shot, but well, like Rick, he had an interesting shot.
00:33:29.460
He thought it ricocheted off a branch or something.
00:33:31.880
And he went down there and sure enough, you know, I don't know if it ricocheted first or
00:33:35.960
it hit the deer and then ricocheted, but it hit her neck and kind of flew off and he
00:33:44.840
But Rick comes out here and he shoots anywhere from three to five to six deer every single
00:33:54.640
He might've got a little bit of series of fortunate events in that situation, but it's
00:33:59.340
more than luck because he's consistently doing it.
00:34:01.720
And you know, it's powerful because he's consistently doing it.
00:34:09.480
Man, let me step away from this conversation very briefly.
00:34:12.560
I'm very excited to tell you that this is the week our powerful brotherhood, the iron
00:34:21.820
I see way too many men going at it alone in life.
00:34:25.640
And I can't help, but wonder when I see so many men struggle to achieve what they want,
00:34:30.380
why they won't surround themselves with men who will help them on their path.
00:34:34.060
I mean, for thousands of years, men have been banding together in tribes and it isn't until
00:34:39.200
relatively recently that we have stopped and traded that in for frankly, a miserable,
00:34:48.220
You're busy, you're overworked, you're underpaid, and you don't know if it's right for you,
00:35:00.800
I'm just tired of watching men bang their dang heads against the wall to produce the
00:35:04.860
same results they have for years, if not decades.
00:35:10.220
Again, we're going to be opening up later this week, Friday, the 14th.
00:35:12.960
You can head to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil to watch a quick video, learn a little bit
00:35:21.700
You know, you've done all the goal planning, goal setting, goal tracking.
00:35:32.540
This is an elevated experience, and it's going to help push you in the right direction.
00:35:49.320
Last night, we were talking about, we both shot out or in an area, hunted in an area similar
00:35:56.400
I mentioned this to you last night about, I've never watched a spider do its full web before
00:36:02.520
and I literally sat there and watched a spider build a web, right?
00:36:10.320
And I was thinking about the importance of presence of what's around you, what's going
00:36:14.920
on around you that we often have like no idea what's happening around us because we're so
00:36:21.920
And one thing that I completely thought was interesting about this hunt is how hard it
00:36:34.840
Cause you're like, well, I'm just staring at this branch.
00:36:40.160
Like you want to distract yourself so bad and it's, it's crazy hard.
00:37:03.140
You know, there's, there's people who cannot function, literally cannot function.
00:37:09.320
If they were left to sit with themselves and their thoughts, they couldn't deal.
00:37:14.500
I mean, you do have to find ways to distract yourself.
00:37:17.020
You know, I, some, I, sometimes I will get out the phone or I'll text or whatever, make
00:37:23.480
Um, like I did this morning, uh, or like read a book, you know, some people listen to music,
00:37:33.000
I remember the first time I had to sit, not had to, but I sat in a tree stand and, and
00:37:38.960
didn't do that Western style of hunting, which is mostly spot and stock.
00:37:44.780
I'm in Minnesota and I'm like, God, this is boring.
00:38:00.660
I just go up and sit in the stand and it's cold typically when we go and I got all the
00:38:05.920
right gear on the first year I didn't first couple of years, I was miserably cold, got
00:38:12.320
If you're not watching this on YouTube, it's just, I got my bow sitting right here on my
00:38:16.480
lap and my arms are curled and I'm hunkered up and I'm just like, just checking
00:38:34.360
Of just, just enjoy the time that you have because there's not a lot of time where we
00:38:44.160
Even if, even if you're at home alone, let's say your family's out on vacation or wherever
00:38:51.560
Or you call a buddy and you go like, but when's the last time you actually just sat there with
00:38:56.600
yourself and just thought about things, process things, ask yourself powerful questions.
00:39:08.120
I'll sit out there and I'll think about, you know, what does next week look like?
00:39:11.080
But even, even more powerful than that, you know, what does the year look like?
00:39:15.440
Like looking back on my existence on this planet, what do I want that to look like?
00:39:25.600
And sometimes I even will grab my phone and I have my notes on my app, like an app for
00:39:30.980
And as I think about these things, I'm like, oh, that's cool.
00:39:36.980
I mean, even last night I was, I was thinking about the principles of some principles I'm
00:39:44.960
I can see that correlation between hunting and life and, and you just contemplate.
00:39:50.440
I, I wonder, this is, I get this from running, distance running.
00:39:54.800
And I think a lot of people do from running because you're forcing yourself to be with yourself,
00:40:01.980
And I think people get that same kind of removal, right?
00:40:11.100
You know, people will ask us a lot of the times, like, how do you develop mental fortitude?
00:40:17.420
Cause you're not going to have those distractions.
00:40:21.280
I don't like running the way it sounds like you do.
00:40:27.760
Because if you don't, what are you going to focus on?
00:40:43.300
And so you start going down this negative cycle and being like so focused on all the crappy things.
00:40:51.220
But I actually remember this when I was overseas deployed.
00:40:54.140
If I focused on the deployment itself, it was actually really challenging in a lot of ways.
00:41:02.460
But if I focused on other things, a greater mission, a greater purpose, a sense of pride, a sense of duty, patriotism, what I was going to do when I got back, what my life was like up to this point.
00:41:17.760
And I started visualizing and thinking about that stuff.
00:41:32.460
You know, I was, and this might be, I mean, this might be a noob thing to say.
00:41:36.800
Like someone that hunts or even you, you might hear what I'm about to say and think, Kip, no, that's not a good principle.
00:41:46.720
I realized I found myself not looking forward a lot.
00:41:56.640
Like I, I kept like when I'm, when I'm looking around for activity, I would look in the primary areas where, where I think the deer are coming.
00:42:06.500
And then sometimes when they would pass, I would keep my eye on them the whole time until they're out of sight.
00:42:13.240
Even though they're out of range, outside of my realm of control, there's nothing I could do to that deer.
00:42:20.660
They were, they became a distraction to me versus keeping my eyes forward on what was coming next.
00:42:29.620
And I thought, what a profound analogy of life where there's this deer, it's 20, you know, it's a hundred yards out.
00:42:47.160
So there's zero reason for me to be watching that damn deer.
00:42:50.720
Meanwhile, no new herd shows up and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not ready for it.
00:42:56.000
And, and I, and I thought about that this morning because I, I got distracted, uh, to, to access deer came to my right at a range and I'm like, turning my back to, to the target where the target will be.
00:43:16.960
I'm like, no, out of sight, out of mind, outside of my realm of control.
00:43:20.060
All my shots are going to come from here and are going to be these lanes.
00:43:25.240
Once they're past my lanes, I'm going to, I'm not going to pay attention to them anymore.
00:43:29.640
So I think the principle is that you extracted is a good principle.
00:43:35.380
Although you would say, keep your eye on all those.
00:43:37.840
And let me tell you why, because I'm going to give you a principle that I, that I would take away then that I had this week.
00:43:43.160
So I was doing the same thing you were doing that you're talking about.
00:43:49.700
You all came out and helped me make this blind.
00:43:55.280
We know where they're coming from, where they're going in the morning.
00:43:57.600
And sure enough, this is where they're going to come from.
00:44:02.360
So I stand up towards the end of the morning, sit, I stand up and I'm, and I've got my bow in my hand and I'm kind of like, I'm not like doing jumping jacks in the stand by any means, but, but I'm like stretching my back and like, kind of like working the,
00:44:19.680
working the kinks out, you know, and I hear a noise behind me.
00:44:24.300
And I slowly turn around and about 30 yards, there's a really nice buck.
00:44:31.520
Like, so I kind of freeze up and I'm looking that buck walks within 15 feet of me and I've
00:44:39.400
got my bow in my hand and he's walking and he's kind of hunkered down and he notices something.
00:44:45.300
He kind of looks over towards me and we had a little bit of a standoff for a couple of minutes.
00:44:50.920
I can't draw my bow without him just blowing out of there.
00:44:53.880
What I was thinking is maybe he doesn't see me at all.
00:44:57.120
And he walks past me when he walks past me, I'll draw and take my shot.
00:45:04.900
We had our couple of minutes standoff and then he just kind of, he knew something was up.
00:45:08.520
He didn't quite bust me, but he knew something was up and he just trotted off and I never saw him again.
00:45:13.260
But if I would have been ready though, and saw him maybe 50 yards out from a flank and been aware of my surroundings, I would have been ready.
00:45:23.940
So when he came in at 15 feet, I would have already been drawn.
00:45:30.620
I would have just been sitting there waiting for him.
00:45:41.280
Look for opportunities where they're going to present themselves, but don't neglect other threats.
00:45:48.960
Don't neglect other responsibilities that you might have that you need to take care of and other opportunities that might come completely out of left field because you're so hyper fixated on what you think is going to happen.
00:46:02.000
Well, and I love that because how often, or at least for me this entire week, I sit in a blind and my natural human instinct is they're going to come right here.
00:46:18.360
I don't even know where I came up with that BS, right?
00:46:23.240
And I was thinking about this, like the other night, I was like, oh, they're going to come here.
00:46:27.100
I'm like, I've never seen them come from there, but I think they should.
00:46:32.800
Cause this would be an easy shot for me to make.
00:46:36.220
And, and then I look over the past couple of days, I'm like, yeah, that's never happened.
00:46:39.740
I don't think a single deer came from where I thought they should, which means that like, man, the, the ability to pivot and adjust because you're, you can't, if you overly double down and assume these expectations of how it's going to go, when they come to your left, you're like, oh, damn, I wasn't even ready for that.
00:47:02.000
And to be frank, that, that happened this morning.
00:47:04.120
I was so set up because I saw two deer come on, come in on the right that I thought, oh, that's the path they're going to take.
00:47:14.600
I had a handful of bucks that came to my left and they came in.
00:47:21.400
I didn't, I wasn't even looking that direction.
00:47:27.420
I was in a position in, in that blind where I couldn't even draw.
00:47:31.420
Like I'd have to like move inside the blind, then draw.
00:47:39.520
I mean, you have a general idea and, and I think it's, I'm glad we're talking about it in this context of, yeah, these are hunting stories and lessons.
00:47:49.040
You know, the, the situation I had with this deer that, that buck I was telling you about.
00:47:53.020
When I, when I saw it, I noticed, I'm like, man, that's a sickly looking deer.
00:47:57.720
I thought he was malnourished, dehydrated, maybe on his tail end of his life.
00:48:07.720
But when he was standing broadside, I noticed something.
00:48:17.920
And what I realized is that was a deer that, that Rick had shot at, or he, he hit, uh, 48
00:48:26.680
hours earlier in a completely different part of the ranch.
00:48:30.380
And so Rick shot this deer and he, and he and I went and looked for it.
00:48:35.600
We, we spent maybe an hour, a little over an hour, no blood, no trail, could not find
00:48:43.140
And then because I'm out in the field, lo and behold, this deer, now I wish I could have
00:48:48.320
shot it and ended its life and, you know, put it, put it out of its misery a little bit
00:48:54.240
And that would have been a really cool story, but I think it also illustrates that if you
00:49:00.580
are putting in the reps, things are going to happen.
00:49:04.400
So, and they may not be what you think is going to happen.
00:49:08.760
It might be a complete surprise, but one thing I do know, cause you can't anticipate that.
00:49:13.960
But one thing I do know is if you're not out there doing it, nothing will ever happen.
00:49:20.140
But if you go out there, like we go out every morning, we go out every afternoon.
00:49:26.940
But that 20% of the time works out because we put ourselves in the position.
00:49:32.080
And then the only question is, are we prepared for the opportunity?
00:49:35.280
For when it shows itself in a manner that you don't expect.
00:49:41.420
Oh man, there's so many applicable lessons from it.
00:49:45.800
So as far as hunting goes, you said you're going to do it more.
00:49:50.400
Uh, do you think like this, obviously, you know, of course you have an invite every year
00:49:56.740
Are there other hunts that you've even thought about or considered or curious about?
00:50:01.740
I mean, I, in fact, I text my brother, you know, are the two noobs that are hunting with
00:50:07.960
And I said, dude, we got to do archery instead.
00:50:12.680
Well, you'll get to Utah and yeah, let's go back to rifle.
00:50:27.600
Well, you said it today, this morning when those deer walked by you at that close yardage,
00:50:36.620
Like even though I didn't have the shot, I'm like, I'm just gonna, yeah.
00:50:39.840
I'm just gonna watch them at least and then maybe they'll present themselves in a better
00:50:47.560
So archery hunting, if you can even draw out in Utah for what?
00:50:55.620
And, and it's easier to draw in Utah for archery because less people are doing archery and
00:51:03.200
So now I, I, I assume that it'll be better hunting or more enjoyable hunting because
00:51:09.800
the whole mountain's not a bunch of guys with orange jackets on shooting at each other.
00:51:22.340
Which is before they get all, they're all scared.
00:51:26.080
And, and it's different to, you know, we're doing a lot of blind sitting here.
00:51:29.980
We're looking for lanes and track and water and seeing where the deer are funneling to
00:51:35.560
Uh, but you know, in Utah, it's going to be spot and stock.
00:51:40.800
You'll, you'll hole up on a mountain, glass them up and then find them and try to work
00:51:45.040
And by the way, you guys have used that term multiple times this week.
00:51:55.300
I mean that as in its simplest form, you, you go find yourself a really good vantage point
00:52:02.700
Maybe, you know, where they're bedded down or where their trails and tracks and routes
00:52:06.540
You go sit up the top of a mountain and you glass, which is basically looking through your
00:52:11.700
So you glass up a mountain or glass up a hillside, whatever.
00:52:16.680
And then your job is to work yourself into a shooting position.
00:52:21.480
So the spot, I spotted it and stock is work yourself into a good shot.
00:52:27.680
And are you typically doing that in pairs to help each other or always?
00:52:34.400
So, um, one thing I've done in the past is I've actually used radios where I go out in
00:52:41.420
So you'll spot up a, a, a mule deer, for example, and one guy will stay at the vantage
00:52:50.180
And he'll say, okay, it's, you know, it's a hundred yards or, Hey, you're 20 yards out.
00:52:55.780
Once you start hiking down there, terrain looks different.
00:52:58.820
You don't even know if you're in the right spot.
00:52:59.740
Well, and if you look at binoculars, once you start getting out a certain distance, it's
00:53:07.220
So you might think you're a guy who's spotting for you might think that you're directly in
00:53:13.380
line with, with a deer and you could actually be 50 yards in front of it.
00:53:36.480
You know, other places will allow a lighted knock.
00:53:43.100
So if you're going to go hunt somewhere, make sure you really want to know the regulations
00:53:47.120
and, and, or you want to hunt with somebody who's, who knows the area and hunts there.
00:53:58.020
Well, talking with you and Rick and the fact that you guys have been here multiple years,
00:54:02.500
like, it's like, Oh no, no, this is where they come down.
00:54:06.080
This is, you guys have worked that process out already.
00:54:14.660
Some people, and, and there's ways to, there's ways to shortcut as James Altucher would say,
00:54:22.940
Because you're going with guys who've been out here.
00:54:26.400
So you get all of the advantage of what Rick and I know without any of that work, but
00:54:33.960
I, but I think if you guys, if this was your first time out here, Oh my gosh, we would be
00:54:40.560
You don't even want to know what our first, our first year out here, the guide was like,
00:54:48.180
So we went out, we were chasing them all over, blowing them out of places for like three
00:54:55.540
And we tell the guy, we're like, Hey man, like we can't, we're not having success.
00:55:01.540
I think we shot here this week, like three or four the first day.
00:55:09.860
It's like, you're not supposed to like chase them.
00:55:14.560
Information that could have been helpful yesterday.
00:55:39.240
Why would, how else are you going to get the information or the, or the insights?
00:55:45.500
I just don't want to have to do this shit for five years.
00:55:49.580
So why wouldn't I basically look at, look at it this way.
00:55:53.140
And this is what people don't understand about money.
00:55:56.960
Money is not this just like isolated thing with inherent value.
00:56:04.720
That's how some people like a dollar bill is worth a dollar bill.
00:56:11.280
And one of the things that's tied to is an exchange of value.
00:56:16.560
So let's say, for example, I say to you, Kip, let's say this, you want to go hunting.
00:56:27.600
And in exchange, I actually need some, uh, some services for my business with systems
00:56:33.660
and structures and technology and organization.
00:56:39.900
But let's say you said to me, Hey, Ryan, I really want to go hunting.
00:56:45.640
I'm like, well, I don't need anything that you offer.
00:56:50.680
But if we have this third little factor, which is a piece of paper, now you can give
00:56:55.700
me the little piece of paper and I can go buy a car because that's what I need in my
00:57:02.560
I get the car and we still are able to exchange value.
00:57:10.320
They think it's just this inherent valuable thing.
00:57:14.300
And so when, when somebody says, Oh, you're going to pay for that.
00:57:20.620
I'm trading my set of skills for something that I want.
00:57:32.340
Well, this is where, why they struggle with being successful too.
00:57:36.080
Well, I mean, I think sometimes we don't focus on, are you providing value?
00:57:42.440
Like you, you want, well, I mean, not to get all crazy here, but like you want more
00:57:47.780
people to attend the WNBA and make a lot of money.
00:57:58.460
Like make smaller stadiums, like whatever you need to do to like lower the profitable.
00:58:04.640
But if it doesn't bring in money, then it's not providing value.
00:58:10.160
That's, that's how people say that's valuable to me or that's important to me is by paying.
00:58:14.920
And if they don't pay and, and it's not like a personal thing, it's just, there's not a
00:58:25.420
And I'm, I'm not talking about the worth of an object.
00:58:30.060
Just because you might not have a skill that's as valuable to me as something else doesn't
00:58:37.440
But I think people want to get paid on their human worth rather than getting compensated
00:58:49.460
Where successful people will be like, well, my net, my net worth is it.
00:58:53.940
And they think that is their intrinsic value as a human.
00:58:58.120
And for the individual that, that is struggling financially, they have a whole story around
00:59:04.780
Well, to tie this back, the concept of paying for things and trading value for things.
00:59:18.700
There's a lot of guys who ask me, hey, I would like to hunt.
00:59:33.840
You guys are, you don't think I'm here asking all kinds of questions, getting as much coaching
00:59:41.700
He's like, when we had dropped you off and he's like, man, I really like Kip.
00:59:48.700
I'm like, yeah, that's one of Kip's greatest qualities.
00:59:50.940
Like he's curious and you're taking full advantage of being out here.
00:59:56.000
There's a lot of people who'd come out here and act like know-it-alls.
00:59:58.940
There's a lot of people who'd come out here and just protect their ego, do whatever and
01:00:05.140
But I've never seen you behave like that any, in any environment.
01:00:07.920
Like if you're going to go do a thing, it's like, I'm going to maximize.
01:00:10.600
I saw it when you went to origin immersion camp.
01:00:12.900
I see it when you go to uprisings and help us as an instructor at uprising events out here
01:00:17.480
and on hunts, that inquisitive nature, that curiosity, I think is a huge advantage that
01:00:23.800
Well, and what's, what's I, in, in my world of, of like business consulting, it is a superpower
01:00:31.240
because what happens is a lot of consultants will, they'll be very knowledgeable.
01:00:41.600
Like for all intents and purposes, they're brilliant minds, but if they're not curious,
01:00:47.720
then what will end up happening is they will be implementing or solutioning the wrong thing
01:00:57.180
So it's, it's like you and I, it's like, um, you know, maybe you came to me and said,
01:01:01.600
Hey Kip, I need some assistance in this particular area.
01:01:08.160
And you could be telling me, Oh no, no Kip, it's ABC.
01:01:12.600
And then I get locked in, in my, in my idea of what the solution is.
01:01:18.740
If I'm not curious, if I'm curious, man, like I, I, I use this analogy all the time,
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Cause I get a little frustrated with, with some consultants.
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It's like, you actually don't need to even know the solution.
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And then now you understand someone else's perspective.
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And once you understand their, like understand their issue or their problem or whatever from
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their seat, now it's just a matter of time to, to find the right solution.
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But if I'm not connected to that and I'm making assumptions, it doesn't matter.
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I used to do a lot like in sales, my financial planning stuff.
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And, and I remember this trainer, his name's was James something.
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I can't remember his last name, but he would say, you know, I don't ever go in there with
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So he'll go in there and say, Hey, tell me what you want out of investment portfolio.
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Oh, I want a good return, but not a lot of risk.
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Oh, hold on your risk and my risk, two different stories.
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And when he's out of questions, he'd be like, so if I was able to do this and he'll read
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through everything they said, I get you a good portfolio with a decent return with a
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That's going to produce this much over this amount of time to help you with this retirement.
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You'd feel comfortable with something like that.
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He'd come back with the plan that hit everything and say, here's your plan.
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I remember it's kind of a weird analogy or a weird story to share this.
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But I think it's applicable to, we sometimes do that really great at work.
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And then when it comes to like family life, then we don't do that at all.
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I remember one of my attempts to not get divorced, you know, and this is, geez, now, almost 20
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I said, for me to be happy and fulfilled in our marriage, this is what I'd want.
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Oh, I think she should, or she shouldn't, but we never say those things.
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Like, even, even, uh, the book that you got quoted in, we covered it in the iron council
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And I've, I've made mention of this before, but it was like one of the principles out of
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that book that I picked up that I was like, oh my gosh, that's so profound.
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And so I was in the living room reading that book and I said, Hey, honey, what's, what's
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And she's like, uh, living in the house that we're already living in.
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Being able to go to Europe at least twice a year and not be stressed out about it.
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And, and, but I was like, ah, that's more flexibility of time.
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And, and, and so we define things so different.
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I mean, how often have, have we heard guys ask questions like, you know, my wife doesn't
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Cause what she thinks and what you think is probably drastically different.
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And I've also noticed if you, like in a relationship, if, if you want to feel more appreciated and
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you ask her, Hey hon, like when you, when you appreciate me, here's what I would say.
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When you appreciate me, like, what are you doing?
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And then she would say, well, I cook you dinner and, um, you know, I, I, I'm physically intimate
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with you and, uh, in the morning I, I cook you breakfast, that stuff may not speak to
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you necessarily, but at least now, you know, when she's making you dinner, when you get
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home, she's actually telling you, she appreciates you.
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She, you might want to say, Hey, I would just like it.
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If you said it to me, like, Hey hon, I love you.
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So if she were to come to me and say, Hey, I really appreciate you.
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But if you said to me, Hey, I really appreciate how hard you work, or I appreciate how you love
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That's significantly more valuable to me, but it's good to know what everybody thinks
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Well, and it's funny that you say this because a few months ago it was funny is, and I don't
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remember how the conversation started, but, but Asia made something, made a comment to the
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point of what she does for me to that, that helps me.
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And she was like, Oh, well I do these things to help you.
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And I'm like, actually those things cause stress in my life.
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She's thinking, Oh, I'll, I'll pull Kip into doing these things and this will be good for
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And I'm like, that that's less like a hunt in Hawaii.
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Well, you know, this example kind of worked out.
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And if you don't have those conversations, then we're off page.
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And I obviously we've been friends for a long time, but to be able to do this, it just
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Well, and this is like I mentioned earlier, this has exceeded my expectations, right?
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If I came out and, and got to see deer walk by, had no shot, I would have been like, awesome.
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The fact that I got a kill, uh, and got some coaching, uh, you know, in the field with you
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and, and from all the other guys has just been, and you're bringing food home, dude.
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Like I said, he's a good, close, personal friend and, uh, you can see why I want to
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And Kip is one of those men who is just that he's, he's amazing.
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And, uh, to be able to have them out on this hunt, to be able to, you know, have the privilege
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I just, I was so excited about that and for him to have success and, uh, really enjoy it
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And, uh, let us know what you thought about the conversation.
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Hopefully you'll be taking some of this information into practice and you'll be going on your first
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In the meantime, know that the iron council opens up again on Friday, the 14th.
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And it's going to be an experience that's going to produce different results in your life
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than you're used to getting, which is probably what you want.
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So check it out at order of man.com slash iron council.
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All right, guys, that's all I've got for you today.
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We'll be back for our, ask me anything tomorrow, but until then go out there, take action and become