Order of Man - KIRK CAMERON ｜ Becoming Men of Faith and Character

00:00:00.000 You know as well as I do all the cultural dangers ourselves, families, and communities are presented

00:00:04.280 with and as much as we'd like to pin it on some politician or outside factor beyond our control,

00:00:10.500 the bigger issue is that the greatest threat is ourselves and our unwillingness to face the

00:00:15.780 challenges that we see. My guest today is Kirk Cameron. He's an actor and most well-known for

00:00:21.000 his character Mike Seaver on the 80s hit sitcom Growing Pains. Today Kirk and I talk about what

00:00:28.240 he dubs the moral meat grinder, why direction is more important than perfection, the power of divine

00:00:35.240 intervention and guidance, the deconstruction of society, and how to become a man of faith and

00:00:41.380 character. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:46.900 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily

00:00:53.020 deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is

00:01:00.320 who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself

00:01:05.680 a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm your host and the founder of

00:01:10.840 the Order of Man podcasting movement. And I want to welcome you here. We are trying to enlist men

00:01:16.360 into the movement to reclaim and restore masculinity. And on this podcast, we're doing that by interviewing

00:01:22.060 incredibly successful men from all facets of life, actors like we have on today, or athletes,

00:01:29.840 politicians, academics, New York Times bestselling authors, entrepreneurs, any man that is successful

00:01:36.740 in his own right and has a story or information to share. We're trying to break down his thoughts and

00:01:41.940 ideas and hopefully implement them to some degree in our lives. So I've got a good one lined up with

00:01:47.540 a man. A lot of you guys are probably familiar with Kurt Cameron. Before we get into that, just

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00:02:23.840 Again, that's originusa.com slash hunt. All right. With that said, guys, let me introduce you to my

00:02:30.800 guest. Again, his name is Kurt Cameron. He's very well known for his role as Mike Seaver in the 80s

00:02:35.540 sitcom growing pains. But since then he's invested his time and attention and energy and money into

00:02:42.160 producing faith and family focused films and projects. He's been featured recently very much

00:02:47.400 so for his American campfire revival. And in September, he's going to be releasing his newest

00:02:53.080 feature life mark, which is about the value of the womb and the beauty of adoption. Admittedly,

00:03:00.160 Kirk is a bit of an anomaly in the entertainment industry. We talk about that for his outspoken

00:03:05.240 conservative views on societal issues and his faith, which frankly, to me, makes him stand out

00:03:11.240 as someone who at least at a minimum is willing to stand by his convictions. And you know, as well

00:03:17.000 as I do, we need more of that in today's world. Kirk, what's going on? So great to see you and have

00:03:23.880 you on the podcast. Hey, thanks so much for having me on. This is, this is super cool. Great to be here

00:03:29.240 with you. Yeah. We were talking about beers before we got started. I was going to say yours isn't quite as

00:03:34.060 as red as mine, but I don't know. Is there some red hidden in there? You know, now listen, it sounds

00:03:39.020 like you just said beers and you're talking about like a red ale right now. We know he said beard,

00:03:45.380 beard, both. Okay. Both. Okay. We, so we were talking now on, um, order of man podcast about

00:03:54.160 beards. Yes. And beer. Yes. Yes. Yes, I do. Yes. I do have a little red in my beard and I see that

00:04:02.720 you do too. Now I have some Scott, Scottish ancestry. Do you, is that where yours is coming

00:04:07.140 from? No, uh, I am mostly Irish and German, Irish, Irish. And I do have some French in there as well.

00:04:14.900 German. Yeah. Irish and German. I'll leave the, I'm a little Scottish and German. Yeah. Bro,

00:04:20.580 we're kind of, we're kind of cut from the same cloth. I think that's, that's where we're getting

00:04:24.180 these. We are. These manly red beards. All right. Well, like I said, everybody, every guys, guys,

00:04:30.840 we, we did joke earlier that, uh, you know, they, they, we have words for people who don't have

00:04:36.120 beards and those words are women and children. Right. So thank you for pissing off half of my audience.

00:04:44.880 I really appreciate that. Well, Ryan, I want you to piss them off too, because, uh, you had

00:04:49.280 mentioned to me that we have a moral obligation. How, how does, how does that line of thinking go?

00:04:53.320 Yeah. We have a moral responsibility and obligation to grow these beautiful beards on behalf of two

00:05:00.880 groups of people, the men who can't quite grow it as well as we can. And the men who let their wives 0.97

00:05:06.380 tell them they can't. No, your viewership just went down. We're just pissing everybody off.

00:05:14.480 Did, did we start this wrong? No, I think we started it right. Because, you know,

00:05:19.280 let's just keep going. Here's the deal. The, the people that are remaining are the important ones.

00:05:24.540 Those are the people we want to talk, talk with today.

00:05:29.320 Well, look, man, you're a, you're a bit of an anomaly. Uh, and, and this is one thing I wanted

00:05:34.380 to address and lead this discussion off with you're, you're a bit of an anomaly. I think maybe

00:05:38.000 you don't think that, and of course you have a different view than I do. Uh, when it comes to the

00:05:42.200 entertainment industry, um, you're, you're very outspoken about your Christianity. Uh, you're,

00:05:48.620 you're very outspoken about your, uh, conservative viewpoints politically. Uh, and I think that from

00:05:55.340 my perspective, you just don't see that in the entertainment industry to the degree that you're

00:06:01.460 presenting it. I'm very curious about that. Yeah. I guess I am an anomaly. I think so. When,

00:06:08.060 when, when, if you think about teenage actors, think of them from the, from the eighties, the

00:06:14.300 nineties, the early two thousands, whatever, and you sort of see what's happened to them over the

00:06:19.220 course of a couple of decades, um, often it's not a pretty story. And I understand why, because I grew

00:06:25.000 up in the Hollywood industry and number one, the value system there is not one that leads to,

00:06:31.300 to health and happiness most of the time. And then you add money, which gives you opportunity

00:06:38.300 to go down the most extreme roads of, um, pleasure and convenience. And that often is a train wreck.

00:06:45.940 So for me, I know that I'm kind of an anomaly to be a guy who grew up on growing pains as a sitcom

00:06:53.720 back in the 1980s and marry my on-screen sweetheart, stay married for 31 years. And we have six

00:07:00.940 children. And, uh, I, and, and, and I still am deeply in love with my wife and I have a faith

00:07:07.160 in God, but I don't, I don't credit myself for figuring that stuff out. Um, some stuff happened

00:07:14.440 to me when I was 17 years old in the, in the middle of growing pains that I never wanted, that I never

00:07:19.700 looked for, but it made all the difference and it sent me in a different direction. So, um, I guess I

00:07:25.500 am an anomaly. I'm kind of the prodigal son of the Hollywood system. I didn't turn out the

00:07:30.920 way I'm well, the way I'm supposed to, uh, according to that design. Um, right. I, I should

00:07:37.360 sort of be all over the tabloids for, uh, having destroyed my life and a few marriages and maybe,

00:07:43.200 maybe caught, you know, uh, abusing women with, and, and, and, and have a Coke problem, but I don't.

00:07:49.680 So, so I am a bit of an anomaly. What are, if you don't mind sharing to the degree that you're

00:07:55.640 comfortable, of course, what, what were some of those things that took place or that, that were

00:08:00.860 going to change the trajectory of your life when you were young? Yeah. Well, Hey, after the beard

00:08:05.060 comments and conversation, what's the point of holding anything back now? Exactly. It's all on

00:08:10.140 the table. We're just going to put it all on the table. Uh, so let's see when I was, uh, 14 years

00:08:17.940 old, I started this TV show called growing pains. And, uh, this is a sitcom back in the 1980s. And it

00:08:24.060 was when we really only had three channels, ABC, NBC, and CBS. And so it was hugely popular.

00:08:28.700 And in fact, Leonardo DiCaprio got his start on growing pains. I actually, I've seen some

00:08:34.340 of those episodes. Yeah. Yeah. So you can go back and you can see that. And so it was a

00:08:39.140 really popular show. Uh, everybody wanted to be on that show. And when I was 17 years old,

00:08:44.620 I was a professing atheist who had, I was making more money than my dad. I was going to all the

00:08:54.360 parties in Hollywood and there really wasn't anything that I didn't have that I wanted.

00:08:58.920 I could just go buy it or get it. And, and then I met a pretty girl and I chased her 0.99

00:09:06.040 to where I caught up with her, which was at a church with her family. And I heard a message

00:09:13.100 from the preacher that I didn't believe because I'm an atheist, but it got under my skin and caused

00:09:21.600 me to ask some questions and then begin searching my heart and soul and realizing that, you know

00:09:28.220 what? There are a lot more brilliant people than I am in medicine and science and astrophysics

00:09:34.800 and all sorts of other disciplines that believe stuff I don't believe. And maybe I've got some

00:09:41.320 things to learn. And that led me to ultimately at praying and asking if God is real, if you're

00:09:48.740 there, would you please show me? And would you make me the person that you want me to

00:09:52.840 be? And that led to me going down a different road in my life than a lot of my friends who

00:09:59.200 wound up in jail or committing suicide. You know, my friend, my friend on Growing Pains

00:10:06.160 who played Boner, that was, that was his name, by the way, is his nickname on the show, Boner.

00:10:09.540 Um, I, I, from what we understand, he, he killed himself, um, Corey Hain, um, and, and River Phoenix

00:10:19.340 and others, right? It's like, there's this pressure cooker of a life that you live in as a young

00:10:23.960 child actor. And often it, uh, it wrecks you. And so for me, having faith in God rather than faith in,

00:10:35.620 um, something that doesn't make any sense or explain the world very well, in my view,

00:10:41.140 uh, helped me to avoid the moral meat grinder and sent me on a path that led to being married for 31

00:10:49.140 years and having six kids and a happy, healthy life, working on projects that I'm passionate about

00:10:53.800 and are hopefully making a difference. Yeah. Well, I think they are. And I want to get into some of

00:10:58.700 those things, you know, for, for most of the men listening, they're probably not going to obviously

00:11:04.020 resonate with the specifics of your story, but I still think there's guys. I'm actually one of

00:11:09.740 them who was not atheist, but really didn't have a practicing faith until I met my now wife. Uh,

00:11:15.780 and, and so it's very similar. God's always got a pretty girl in the formula somewhere. Doesn't he?

00:11:20.580 He knows that's how to get us though. I mean, if you look for it, if you look for it, you can find it.

00:11:25.340 That's right. That's right. But I, but I'm wondering, because I know there's a lot of guys who have

00:11:30.680 had similar experiences, uh, and then we as men tend to get tempted and distracted and fall short of

00:11:38.740 our ideals and, and the things that we want. How did you, especially in the environment that you were

00:11:44.380 in, inoculate yourself against some of the temptations and some of the trappings of success,

00:11:51.360 like I'm sure you were exposed to. Great question. Great question. We need strong men. Men are being,

00:11:57.780 um, um, um, feminized and, uh, you know, virtually, uh, encouraged to sort of castrate themselves and

00:12:07.940 not speak like men and act like men and just sort of be softer and more, uh, meek and mild. And, uh,

00:12:16.480 I love what Jordan Peterson says. Uh, he says, men, uh, you need to be dangerous. I mean,

00:12:22.460 become a monster and then learn how to get that under control. Good men, uh, are not men who are

00:12:28.340 harmless. Good men are dangerous men who know how to protect and defend and fight for what matters,

00:12:35.360 what counts, what's, what's true, what's right, what's good and noble. Um, those are the heroes in

00:12:42.060 our, in our stories, in our movies. Those are the heroes of songs and poems. Um, and those are the

00:12:53.060 how do you inoculate yourself from the temptations? I don't think you do. I don't think you can. I

00:12:59.360 think temptation comes. And I think that challenges will, I moral challenges, physical challenges,

00:13:08.100 any kind of challenge will either, uh, make you stronger or reveal your weakness and, and give you

00:13:18.280 an excuse to become weaker. It all depends on what you're made of. So, uh, kind of like, if you think

00:13:24.180 of the sun, uh, the sun melts wax, it also hardens clay. What's the difference? Same sun. It's because

00:13:34.600 those two substances are made of different things. Right. And when I have faith in God, the Bible tells

00:13:41.160 me something happens to me when I recognize my moral depravity and weakness and ability to be led

00:13:48.900 astray by the, the wicked desires of my own heart, when I embrace that and I don't make excuses for

00:13:55.760 that. And I turn to the one who can overhaul my character and my, my faith, give me identity and

00:14:02.300 purpose and destiny. He says that, that something happens. He, he changes the desires of my heart.

00:14:10.740 I have something called the fear of the Lord. Um, I have the spirit of God, which is my joy and my

00:14:17.500 strength. And slowly, but surely I begin to win those battles over temptation, which produces character in me.

00:14:24.780 Now don't get me wrong. I'm not what I could be. I'm not what I should be, but Ryan, I'm not what I

00:14:32.820 was. And I'm, I'm, it's not about perfection. It's about direction. And as long as I'm moving in the

00:14:42.080 right direction and not sliding back and making excuses for myself, as I hurt my wife, hurt my kids

00:14:48.860 and those around me making excuses, as I slide back into immaturity or kindergarten,

00:14:54.780 Christianity, then I can say, God helped me to be the man you've created me to be today. Um, I need

00:15:01.680 your, I need your strength. Lead me not into temptation. Why? Cause I'm weak without you,

00:15:07.160 but deliver me from evil today. Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory. And I'm here to serve

00:15:14.700 you. Uh, that's where my strength comes from. That's where the victory comes from. And, uh, and you can

00:15:22.180 have it if you recognize who you are and your need for God and then deny yourself and begin to follow

00:15:31.080 him. You, I mean, clearly it sounds like you have a tremendous level of faith in God. How do you,

00:15:37.240 when you're talking about your projects a bit ago, how do you determine what are projects that I would

00:15:43.060 assume you want to be his projects based on what you're saying and that they're not your projects or

00:15:48.960 the things that are your own, maybe selfish desires? Great question. If I want to answer both

00:15:55.880 of the things you just mentioned. So, so help me if I forget the second, by the time I get to it,

00:15:59.420 the first thing you said, I've already forgot it, but we'll, we'll get at some point we'll loop back

00:16:03.160 around to it. Remind me about how do you pick projects that are, you know, not just my projects,

00:16:08.400 but, uh, maybe divinely appointed projects. Um, but first you said, I have really strong faith in

00:16:13.820 God. I'm great faith in God. Well, why shouldn't I have great faith in God? Why shouldn't you and me

00:16:20.620 and everyone have great faith in God? By the way, that's not a compliment to me. That's a compliment

00:16:25.780 to God, similar to the faith that you have in your doctor. If I said, Ryan, you've got great faith in

00:16:31.920 your doctor. That's not complimenting you. That's really saying something about the ability of your

00:16:37.820 doctor that you trust him so much. He must be amazing that you will let him cut open your body

00:16:44.440 and do surgery inside of you. You've got great faith in your doctor and we should have nothing

00:16:52.800 less than great faith in God. When we look at what he's doing, he's keeping our heart beating at night

00:16:56.700 while we're asleep. He's causing the sun, uh, to, I'm sorry, the earth to spin on its axis and orbit

00:17:05.420 around the sun to where we can plan the day and the night. And this, this interview right now at

00:17:11.860 this time, and we can count on the seasons and a billion other things that work inside of us. My

00:17:18.880 friend, he just passed away from pancreatic cancer. When's the last time you thought about your bile

00:17:23.780 duct? When's the last time you thought about, uh, the ability to, to, to produce the hormones and the

00:17:31.500 chemicals necessary for you and I to think and have this conversation. And yet God's making sure that

00:17:37.120 regularly these things are occurring so that we can enjoy life. Um, now we live in a broken world.

00:17:46.060 And so that's not always the case, but I'm saying that we have reason to have great faith in God

00:17:51.360 because he is faithful. Uh, all right. The other thing you had mentioned was how do you, how do you

00:17:55.700 pick your projects? You know, sometimes I do wonder Ryan, if, if, if this is a project, that's my idea

00:18:02.360 or whether God's given it to me. And then other times it just seems so obvious, but I don't know

00:18:07.840 it when it's happening. It's usually when I'm looking in the rear view mirror that I recognize

00:18:11.340 that it's kind of like, um, you know, um, being an actor for me in general, I wanted to be a doctor.

00:18:17.340 I wanted to be a surgeon. I want to be like, like Ben Carson. I love biology. I wanted to get into

00:18:21.900 the human body and sort of, and make a lot of money and be a doctor. And then something happened

00:18:28.140 to where my mom took me to this agent I interviewed. And all of a sudden I'm an actor and it's not

00:18:34.060 something I wanted to do, but it appears to me now that, that God had a plan all along. Same with

00:18:40.420 meeting my wife. I met an actress on a Hollywood set, uh, in California and she lived in Buffalo,

00:18:48.040 New York her whole life. Um, I thought with the chances that I would meet an amazing woman 0.95

00:18:54.780 of faith and character in Hollywood, an actress, no less, uh, we're slim to none, but I look back

00:19:01.980 in the rear view mirror and I go, man, God was kind to me. He was good to me. So when it comes

00:19:07.340 to projects, I'd love an email, uh, addressed from heaven saying, Hey Kirk, this is the next

00:19:12.240 movie you ought to do. Wouldn't that be nice? Usually what happens is, um, you follow the recipe

00:19:18.860 of, um, have an attitude of gratitude, expect God to open doors for you, pay attention. Don't,

00:19:31.780 don't despise the little insignificant things and make decisions that you think are going to honor God

00:19:39.440 and bless other people. And I think that puts you on the right road. And then you get to sit back

00:19:47.120 and enjoy the way that God begins to fill in all of the blanks. Um, that's, that's at least the way

00:19:54.620 that I, I, I view it. And I look in the rear view mirror and say, man, growing pains is one of those

00:19:58.500 things. My wife was one of those things, uh, being an atheist who comes to faith in Jesus in Hollywood

00:20:04.720 must be one of those things. I certainly wasn't looking for that. And then this new movie life

00:20:09.540 mark that, that I'm doing, uh, this was something that I had no intentions of making, but when it got

00:20:17.060 dropped in my lap, uh, I had no choice. What do you mean? You had no choice. Explain that. Cause

00:20:22.940 clearly you do have a choice. Okay. Um, so I'm, I guess I'm using a bit of hyperbole there, but I know

00:20:28.920 I just, I would like to hear what I think a lot of us would, you know? Yeah. So I'm all as an actor,

00:20:34.580 you're always between jobs, right? It's like, Hey, I'm going to be waiting tables here in a week.

00:20:39.540 If I don't get another gig, uh, right. I'm going to be doing DoorDash over Uber. If this new movie

00:20:45.180 project, somebody would be very surprised if they saw you pull up to deliver their pizza. I gotta say

00:20:49.720 that might actually be funny. Although that can be, that could be really fun. Um, that can be like

00:20:56.000 DoorDash karaoke. We could have a whole new show that we can do. That's right. Look at these

00:21:00.800 divinely inspired ideas, right? Right on this podcast. That's right. That's right. We're coming

00:21:05.020 up with them right now. Um, or these could, or those could be epic failures. Yeah. Those could

00:21:10.260 be our own selfish pursuits for sure. Somebody sent me a text and said, Hey, watch this,

00:21:15.340 watch this little documentary. It's about 20 minutes long and it's based on a true story.

00:21:19.940 Uh, so I watched it and man, I was balling like a baby. I was ugly face crying in my living room.

00:21:26.000 Because it was this true story about an 18 year old girl who changed her mind on the abortion table.

00:21:34.800 She raised, she, she gives birth to her son after hiding the pregnancy for nine months.

00:21:40.940 And then she places him for adoption. She thinks she'll never see him again.

00:21:45.720 19 years later, he calls and he wants to meet her. She thinks he probably hates her guts for

00:21:51.540 abandoning him as a baby. And he wants to meet her to say, thank you for this great life he's been

00:21:58.480 given and for this family that he has. And, uh, I saw this and said, Oh my goodness, I've got six

00:22:06.480 children and four of my kids are adopted. My wife is an adopted child. This is like their story.

00:22:13.160 And I wouldn't have any of them. If someone didn't change her mind about abortion. 1.00

00:22:22.740 And, uh, in fact, not just someone, but six people, six moms or five moms. And, uh, I said,

00:22:29.360 this needs to be turned into a movie. So I got the rights to the, to the life story. And then I called

00:22:34.060 my buddies, the Kendrick brothers. Those are the guys that made, uh, the movies fireproof,

00:22:38.900 courageous war room facing giants flywheel. Uh, and I said, do you guys think this would make a

00:22:45.720 good movie? Because I'm about to sink a lot of time and money into this. And they said, not only

00:22:49.820 would it make a good movie, we want to make it with you. We, we, we think God is, is urging us

00:22:58.040 to make a movie about this subject. And Ryan, get this, this movie about the value of life and the beauty

00:23:04.440 of adoption. We started it two and a half years ago. And we had no idea that when we finished it

00:23:12.200 and got it ready to go out into movie theaters, the timing, which is going to be September 9th is

00:23:16.760 going to be two months after Roe versus Wade is overturned at the Supreme court. The timing couldn't

00:23:22.140 be more perfect. So I look at that and I go, did I plan that? Did I orchestrate and mastermind this

00:23:28.380 thing? I didn't. In fact, the script of the movie is based on what actually happened and the words

00:23:35.660 that came out of their mouths. When we interviewed the birth mom and the birth dad and the kids,

00:23:41.220 we couldn't have written the script any better than what we have right now in the movie life mark.

00:23:46.720 When you, when you do a project like life mark or, or, or anything, you had a, um, a homeschooling,

00:23:52.860 uh, an event that I think is over now. If I remember that took place in July. Uh, and then

00:23:59.420 American campfire revival, clearly it's about more than just entertainment, which is what we think

00:24:05.400 when we see a movie, it's like, Oh, I'm going to be entertained. I might be a little inspired.

00:24:08.760 You know, what is your mission when you choose a project like, like this, like life mark? Uh,

00:24:13.300 what, what is, what is it that you want out of it? And how do you know it's a success?

00:24:18.140 Sometimes I don't look for getting something out of it. Other times I think, yes, I want to inspire

00:24:25.180 or give hope on a particular topic or educate on a topic. So with the homeschool awakening,

00:24:31.800 um, COVID hit, I don't know what you think about COVID the great, uh, pandemic or plandemic or

00:24:38.620 scandemic or however you want to describe it. Um, millions of children were told to stay home

00:24:47.860 and their parents watched on their computers, what these kids were being taught. And millions

00:24:55.000 of parents were horrified at the things that they were being taught. They were being taught,

00:24:58.720 uh, to choose their own pronoun. They're being taught to hate our country. They're being taught

00:25:03.340 a completely revised version of American history. And ultimately these parents and the trust that they

00:25:12.260 put in public schools was being undermined, um, dramatically. And so they yanked their kids

00:25:17.940 and didn't send them back to school. And suddenly we have millions of families who are homeschooling

00:25:23.240 and we homeschooled our children for a number of years. And there is an amazing awakening taking place

00:25:31.340 across the nation among parents. And I thought we should document this because people are looking for

00:25:36.100 answers. They want something better than critical race theory and gender queer theory and the 1619

00:25:42.100 project for their kids. They recognize that there is a concerted effort out to destroy Western

00:25:48.180 civilization and America specifically, uh, to usher in some authoritarian government. And they don't want

00:25:55.260 their children to be played as pawns in that scheme. And so homeschooling is, is a world of opportunity

00:26:03.320 for them that provides hope and options that many people just aren't aware of. So I made the homeschool

00:26:09.320 awakening documenting the everyday adventures of 17 American homeschool families who are on a mission

00:26:16.360 to put faith and family back into education. So I was hoping for that to occur, uh, in that movie,

00:26:25.820 but then other stuff like the American campfire revival was just me being locked in my backyard

00:26:31.360 because I live in California with a governor who put us all under house arrest, uh, during the

00:26:36.460 pandemic. And we just sat, sat back and we're watching the first hundred days of the new

00:26:41.840 president's administration. And all of these things begin to roll, roll down from Capitol Hill

00:26:48.240 that were terrible. And I'm, and I'm thinking to myself, well, what do we do as the family of faith?

00:26:53.740 Do we just sit back and complain and whine and say, Oh, the end is near. Let's just, uh,

00:26:58.900 hope the rapture gets here, uh, you know, by March, or do we have our own 100 day plan? Uh,

00:27:05.360 how about we get off the defense and get on the offense and start to do things like William

00:27:09.560 Wilberforce did and, uh, end slavery. How about we get off the defense and get into the arena and

00:27:16.020 we do stuff and become the brave hearts and the George Washington's and the Bonhoeffers of our day

00:27:20.800 driven by faith with a love for people. So I said, I got a hundred day personal plan.

00:27:26.660 If you want to join me on Facebook, join me. I'm going to make a campfire in my backyard for a hundred

00:27:30.960 consecutive nights. And I'm going to, uh, obey the executive orders and the mandates from heaven,

00:27:37.140 which are, if my people will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways and seek my

00:27:44.640 face, then I will hear their prayers, forgive their sin and heal their land. And I'm thinking to

00:27:50.240 myself, that's what we need. That is what we need. So how about we just do that? Maybe it'll work

00:27:56.120 for us like it did for the children of Israel thousands of years ago. And so I did that and

00:28:01.460 tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and then millions of people were joining me in my backyard

00:28:06.380 for a campfire revival meeting. And I talked through a book called the American covenant.

00:28:12.500 In fact, I'll show it to you. I got it right here. This book right here, the American covenant.

00:28:17.900 And, uh, it basically documents what our founding fathers and our forefathers and foremothers before

00:28:24.460 them, the pilgrims understood. And that was that they were in sacred relationship with God and they

00:28:31.500 applied the heavenly principles found in the scriptures to every aspect of their life, their

00:28:38.240 personal life, their marriage, their home, the works of their hands, their businesses, their spiritual

00:28:43.360 life, and their civil government. When they did that, they ended up laying out the blueprint for what

00:28:50.160 later became the declaration of independence, the constitution, which ultimately allowed free

00:28:57.660 enterprise to flourish religious freedom, political freedom, resulting in the freest, strongest, most

00:29:02.700 blessed nation in the history of the earth. And these are the kinds of things that happen where I'm not

00:29:09.160 looking to get something out of it. I'm looking to, um, not lose my mind. When I see evil crouching

00:29:17.160 in on me and my family, I want to fight back and overcome evil with good men. Let me take a break

00:29:24.700 very quickly from the conversation. I want to talk with you because, uh, I've got a new book coming

00:29:29.080 out. You might already be well aware. Uh, it's going to be hitting the shelves on September 27th,

00:29:34.060 this year, 2022, it's called the masculinity manifesto. And in it, I make the case that men are

00:29:41.060 not the enemy of society and are in fact, an integral part of the solution to what ails us.

00:29:47.600 I cover the mindsets of masculine leadership. And most importantly, I break down characteristics

00:29:53.420 and behaviors and men and how to harness them for productive outcomes for society as a whole.

00:30:00.400 Now I'm planning on going big with this book and I need your help to get the word and mission out.

00:30:05.700 So please, if you would pre-order it, pre-order it, if I can say that now, uh, wherever you get

00:30:11.720 your books again, it's called the masculinity manifesto releasing September 27th. Thank you

00:30:17.420 guys. You know, what else is so powerful about what you're saying is when you're talking about

00:30:22.720 hundreds of thousands or even millions of people joining you, I think a lot of the times us as men

00:30:29.060 believe that we can't make a difference that, you know, we're just one person or maybe we can impact

00:30:34.740 our family, but we certainly can't extend it out from there. And then here you are talking

00:30:38.820 about these incredible projects that are impacting literally hundreds of thousands of people. I guess

00:30:44.340 what I've seen is so many men not willing to take action because it doesn't meet or they don't have

00:30:50.140 any hope that it will meet their standard of impact in the world. Yeah. But that's just not true.

00:30:57.820 I get the feeling, uh, you know, what can one guy do? And I'm not just offering up some platitude

00:31:03.120 that, well, you know, you know, just, just one guy can take, but listen, when it's one guy or one woman

00:31:11.280 in partnership with God, it's not, you have an unfair advantage over the opposition.

00:31:19.940 That's true. Um, you, we could take story after story throughout history, but just, just think of

00:31:26.240 one guy named Patrick St. Patrick, 1500 years ago. Here's one guy who at 16 years old was,

00:31:36.520 was kidnapped in England and sold into sex trafficking and slavery. He was thrown into a

00:31:44.440 boat and taken off to an Island that nobody wanted to go to. Not even those in the Roman empire wanted, 0.93

00:31:49.840 had anything to do with it because there were people there who fought in the nude and they chopped the

00:31:54.340 heads off of their, uh, enemies. Uh, and it was this crazy place called Ireland and he goes there and

00:32:03.260 he came from a Christian family. And so while he's praying on a hill, watching sheep, God gives him a

00:32:10.060 vision and he miraculously escapes this, this prison that he's in. And you think, wow, the guy just got

00:32:17.120 out, you know, I mean, just, just barely against all odds. He survives this. Well, he believes that

00:32:24.460 he has been saved for a purpose and he gets on mission with 12 of his friends and he gets ahold of

00:32:31.340 a Bible and he goes back to the place where he was enslaved and he confronts the King converts the King

00:32:38.100 and he ends up setting up churches and schools and changing the laws of Ireland and liberating an entire

00:32:46.000 nation who then sends out missionaries to other parts of the world, ultimately leading us to a place

00:32:53.320 where the reformation happens and the printing presses is created and the Bible is printed and the entire

00:33:00.020 world has changed. And you go, what were the chances that that one guy could do something? He was a kid.

00:33:05.340 He was kidnapped and turned into a slave, but him with God is an unfair advantage over the forces of

00:33:13.180 darkness. And you could say that about King Alfred. You could say that about Braveheart. You could say that

00:33:17.480 about William Wallace. I'm sorry, William Wilberforce working to abolish the slave trade. You could say that

00:33:23.980 about Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. It's always against all odds. But, but, but John Adams said, it does

00:33:33.040 not take a majority of men to prevail, but rather a committed, irate minority who is set on setting

00:33:44.700 brush fires of freedom in the minds of men. You do that and there's no telling what will happen.

00:33:52.880 You inspire more and, and more will come and join you and history can be changed.

00:33:59.220 I think this is a big reason why the powers that be would attempt to undermine two fundamental units

00:34:08.140 of a thriving culture or society. That is the man. And that is the nuclear family. And that's not to

00:34:17.280 dismiss what women of course bring to the equation either, but without women, we wouldn't be here. 0.67

00:34:22.940 And with that's right. Uh, uh, you know, women wouldn't be here. We need each other. That's 1.00

00:34:28.020 right. There, there is a, um, there is a, there is a deconstructing of society by undermining the

00:34:36.500 value of, of men, undermining the value of women and undermining the value of children and undermining

00:34:43.900 the family itself. Uh, each of us has, has a critical role to play.

00:34:47.800 So how then does, um, cause what you're talking about, uh, I believe, and I see it even in my

00:34:56.700 own life to a degree, uh, with what we've been able to do. And I, and I love that you

00:35:00.560 look back on projects and you think, well, this was divinely inspired, but you didn't know it at

00:35:04.760 the time. That's very much how I feel about our movement here. I didn't realize that, which I feel

00:35:10.240 now is that God was literally setting this up through me. I didn't feel that when I was doing it.

00:35:17.140 I certainly feel it now. Uh, but all the things that you're talking about require an element of

00:35:23.520 courage. And I think it is so sorely lacking in society and culture today. We have been conditioned.

00:35:30.120 We have been sedated. We have been medicated. There is just a lacking of courage in otherwise very

00:35:37.680 capable and goodly men. That's right. Yeah, man, you're, you're exactly right. Um, there's a guy

00:35:47.060 named Dinesh D'Souza. Uh, he makes a lot of documentaries, so you may be very familiar with

00:35:52.140 him. Um, I remember him telling a story once, uh, where he talked about, uh, a lion who was being

00:36:00.080 controlled by a lion tamer with a whip, this skinny little guy. And you've got the lion who's big and

00:36:07.020 powerful. Now who is more powerful, the lion or the lion tamer? He asked Ryan, what's, what's the,

00:36:13.620 what's the obvious answer to that question? Well, the, who's more powerful, the lion or the lion

00:36:18.100 tamer? The lion. Yeah. He can eat them as an appetizer, just in one bite. However, the lion has

00:36:25.560 been convinced that the lion tamer is in charge. That's why he can get him to do those tricks.

00:36:32.760 Ever since he was a little kid, that little cub was trained to obey the man. If he only understood

00:36:41.740 his power, if he only understood what he was capable of, that lion tamer would run out the door 0.99

00:36:51.580 because he doesn't stand a chance. And I believe that, that men and women of faith who are educated

00:37:01.000 and they have character and they have self-control are like that lion. And if only we would recognize

00:37:11.320 who we are and the power and influence that we have and throw off the lies that we've been told

00:37:18.620 since we were little kids. And it's even worse for the, for the young, young boys today who are,

00:37:24.920 who are growing up. I mean, these are our future men. What are they going to be like? I mean,

00:37:29.180 they're being told that they can become, they can be a girl if they want to right now. And that maybe

00:37:34.500 they shouldn't really even, there's so much we could go into about this. Uh, I know that's not

00:37:39.740 the point of our podcast, but, but I think the point is we need strong men of faith and character

00:37:48.920 faith because we need the fear of God. If we don't have the fear of God, um, we tend to want to slide

00:37:56.120 into the position of becoming God ourselves and trying to, trying to manipulate our own little

00:38:01.580 mini kingdom and, and sort of be the sovereign of our own little, uh, make believe universe where we

00:38:08.180 start ordering people around and dominating other people that destroys stuff. When we have the fear

00:38:13.340 of the Lord and we recognize that we're not the creator of all things, we're, we're creatures.

00:38:17.320 Um, now that puts us in perspective and when we have character, um, that, that, that allows us to

00:38:29.260 take truth, mix it with compassion and actually go out there and change our world for good.

00:38:35.060 One of the concerns I think, or at least factors that I've began to recognize is what, why, why,

00:38:42.820 why are we so sedated? Why, why are we, why are we so passive when we should be more assertive or even

00:38:49.560 aggressive in moments? Why, why do we see problems, but don't really step into them? And one realization

00:38:55.680 I'm coming to is that for a lot of us, it feels like there is so much to lose, right? I think about

00:39:02.280 this story you're telling with the lion and the lion tamer. Now, look, the, the lion is probably not

00:39:06.720 aware enough to realize that if he leaves, he's going to have a significantly harder time finding food

00:39:12.240 than, than it being fed to him, you know, on a, on a nine to five type schedule. But we're aware of

00:39:20.000 that. We know if we ruffle feathers, we know if we step out of culture's line, that there are real

00:39:27.320 world consequences to what we might be, uh, unlocking. Yeah. But, but, but that's what I'm,

00:39:36.140 that's what I was trying to say. Well, that's what I was saying earlier is, um, do you, do you really

00:39:43.160 just, I mean, is, is that what we want? Do we want to just lay down on our, on our, on our backs

00:39:48.360 and, and just be passive? Um, I think that that's kind of what the revolutionary war was all about.

00:39:57.220 I think that's what Patrick Henry was talking about. I think that's what Braveheart was talking

00:40:02.340 about. They said, you know what? I would rather die than allow another man to enslave me

00:40:12.140 and to be emasculated and not be able to defend my wife and my kids and work and enjoy the fruit of

00:40:23.680 my labor. This is what God built me for. And I want to be set free in my heart. I don't want to

00:40:31.040 be in bondage to the, to the snakes in my head and the demons in my heart that wrap me up in alcohol,

00:40:36.880 uh, or substance abuse or in abusing other people to cope with my pain and shame and guilt. I want to

00:40:43.420 be free from all of that. And not only that, I want to free the, I want to liberate my world.

00:40:50.220 I don't want tyrants out there abusing other people. That's what we're here for. And

00:40:57.380 that's what's led to the great liberating moments of history. These are the heroes in every great movie

00:41:05.120 and every great story, people who trade their freedom, which, which is tough, which requires

00:41:16.260 personal responsibility and massive risk-taking because there's no guarantees. But if you trade

00:41:22.060 that for being spoon-fed on a nine to five schedule and willingly locking yourself into a cage,

00:41:31.700 I think you've missed the point of this great life that God's given you. Um, because you're not free.

00:41:42.240 And if you're not free, you're, you're, you're in bondage and you're in slavery. And, uh, I think

00:41:48.020 that's the great adventure of life is embracing the risk and getting in partnership with God and

00:41:55.360 going out there to change the world. You might die in the process. Braveheart did. I don't think he

00:42:02.400 regrets it. Um, I don't think he would change the story. Uh, Jesus did, uh, they, they impaled him on a

00:42:09.120 cross, but he wouldn't change the story. God is the best script writer of all. And the hero that you

00:42:16.880 want to be, uh, is never the guy in the movie who, uh, wusses out and takes a bribe and hides in the

00:42:24.520 corner and, uh, just gives into his lower nature rather than sacrificing himself for a higher cause.

00:42:32.440 Uh, if that's the guy that you want to be, and that's the kind of guy I want to be,

00:42:36.020 uh, we have to embrace the unknown and the risk and we need to go for it.

00:42:41.360 And I think there's also this, uh, element of faith that you've been talking about as well, that

00:42:45.920 as you take these risks and you step into these unknowns, doing the right thing is,

00:42:50.760 is obviously clearly it's the right thing to do, but we also have to remember that there's going to

00:42:55.380 be a path that will be forged when you do the right thing. Like you're going to suffer in a lot

00:43:01.120 of ways. There's going to be some decisions you have to make where you will suffer or your family

00:43:04.980 might suffer. Maybe, maybe it's as simple as at work being asked to go against your, your

00:43:12.000 principles and then having to quit. Well, your family's going to suffer. You're going to have a

00:43:18.620 hard time paying the bills for a month or two, but then also may will be paved.

00:43:24.460 Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. But we got to, we got to say to ourselves, if we say like,

00:43:28.140 oh man, I don't want that to happen. No, bro. Suffering is inescapable. The problem is

00:43:35.120 if you go down that route so that you don't suffer temporarily by losing your job. Now

00:43:41.160 you're going to suffer later, worse or worse than that. Your kids are going to suffer. And they're

00:43:46.560 going to look at you and go, dad, why didn't you be a man at the moment you needed to be a man?

00:43:52.200 Why didn't you stand up for that stuff? Why didn't you think down the road instead of just

00:43:57.700 doing what was convenient at the moment? I'm not saying it's easy. Of course it's not easy. I don't

00:44:01.540 want to be burned at the stake. I don't want to be drawn and quartered. I don't want to be locked

00:44:05.900 in a prison. I don't want to lose my job. I don't want any of that stuff. I want to be hanging out

00:44:10.260 with you on this podcast. I want to, you know, I want to have a nice cup of coffee and enjoy time

00:44:15.080 with my wife. But guess what? If George Washington had said the same thing and he didn't man up,

00:44:21.120 if he didn't, you know, have balls of titanium and do the right thing, trusting in the justice of his

00:44:31.120 cause, depending on the protection of the almighty, we wouldn't be having this conversation and we

00:44:37.940 wouldn't be enjoying these blessings. And that challenges me. I'm no George Washington, but having

00:44:45.240 heroes like that makes a difference. And I've known men in my own life who have been mentors to me.

00:44:50.520 One of them just died. His name is Marshall Foster. In fact, I just mentioned this book he wrote

00:44:54.780 called The American Covenant. And he details the inspiring stories of men of history.

00:45:00.380 My buddy Marshall just became one of those men.

00:45:05.560 He inspired me. He was a man of courage, a man of faith. And he helped me to remember that we should

00:45:12.360 not be just whining and complaining about the darkness around us, crying in our Chick-fil-A soup,

00:45:19.100 waiting for Jesus to return and rapture us out of here. We need to be liberty men and women of faith

00:45:28.740 and character, conduits that bring heaven to earth. That's the kind of person that I want to be.

00:45:36.800 And I think deep down inside, every man wants to be that.

00:45:41.920 I agree. I agree with that. Are there times where in your career that you've been passed over or

00:45:49.460 blacklisted for any of your political viewpoints, perspectives, Christian faith-based perspectives,

00:45:57.660 where it's impacted your professional career?

00:45:59.860 Yeah. I'm sure there have been. There's parts in films that were very successful that I passed up

00:46:07.360 because, hey, you know what? I told my wife at the altar that I'm going to love and cherish her,

00:46:13.120 forsaking all others, so I'm not going to sleep with this girl in this movie.

00:46:17.380 And so, yeah, I missed out on that. Okay. But guess what? I don't know where those actors are in

00:46:24.460 their own personal lives, but I can tell you where I am right now. I just went away on a very romantic

00:46:30.360 weekend getaway with my wife of 31 years, and we're in love. And I'm moving down a road of projects

00:46:38.980 like Life Mark the Movie and American Campfire Revival and other kinds of things that I'm so much

00:46:46.260 more passionate about than about just doing some popular movie that's going to make me a bunch of

00:46:53.760 money. I want a life of meaning and significance. I told you I just went to the funeral of my mentor,

00:47:02.020 one of my best buddies. Man, that's how I want my funeral to be. People were up there and they

00:47:07.980 weren't tears of regret. It wasn't just telling old stories about my old drinking buddy and our

00:47:14.780 exploits in college. This is about a man who changed my life. This is about a man who didn't make money

00:47:20.720 his priority. He was in control of money that other people wanted to use to advance the kingdom of

00:47:30.360 goodness and light. And he directed a lot of that stuff with wisdom and courage and character. And

00:47:36.780 he inspired us to want to be men that make a difference, to be the William Wilberforces and

00:47:42.980 the Bravehearts of the world. That's what I want to be. I think all men know that we need to be that.

00:47:52.340 Unfortunately, we're listening to messages from people that shouldn't matter to us. And we end up

00:47:58.700 taking out this masculinity and strength by screaming and yelling at the flat screen TV,

00:48:06.740 watching Monday Night Football or killing people on video games with our friends, rather than slaying

00:48:15.040 the cultural giants of evil and wickedness by advancing the good and what is right and getting 1.00

00:48:23.200 involved with educating our children and loving and serving our wives and crushing it in business 0.96

00:48:30.060 so that we can build the culture we want rather than whining and complaining while we watch Fox News

00:48:38.400 or CNN and see what other people are doing while we sit on the sidelines. Let's not be that guy. I don't

00:48:44.780 want to be that guy. And it took me 51 years to kind of figure that out. But I want to lean all in.

00:48:53.340 What are some of those cultural giants that you see as wicked or threats to our existence and

00:49:01.100 well-being? That's a good question. And we have a long discussion about this. I don't see politics

00:49:07.340 as an evil giant. I think that politics is a tool that shapes culture. I don't see public education

00:49:16.640 as an evil. I think education as an evil. I think education is a sacred responsibility that belongs

00:49:22.940 to parents. So when we complain about mandates coming down from heaven or we complain about what's

00:49:31.000 happening culturally, I say that happened on our watch. When I see big tech or big government or big

00:49:40.720 business, you know, squashing and constricting our freedoms and the things that lead to human

00:49:49.440 flourishing, I say, we as men allowed that to happen on our watch. Our fault, not somebody else's fault.

00:49:59.920 They're just running the plays that we should be running and they're running them better.

00:50:04.400 Um, but when we start running the plays and we're doing it for the honor of God and for the blessing

00:50:11.440 of our families and our neighbors, I believe another player comes onto the field and helps us.

00:50:17.920 And that's the almighty and that's called revival. And that's when entire communities and nations and

00:50:23.760 cultures turn around. It's happened throughout history over and over again. It's happened in America.

00:50:27.960 America. And so, um, it's, it's, it's, it's like that famous quote, the only thing necessary for evil

00:50:36.220 to advance is for good men to do nothing. That's, that's the cultural giant of wickedness, laziness,

00:50:44.300 apathy, complacency, uh, given in to the, the urges of your flesh and your stomach and just becoming

00:50:55.400 a blob rather than a beast for the good. Are these the kind of things that you address in the, um,

00:51:05.720 uh, the, I can't, the American campfire, uh, revival, are these the kind of topics that you

00:51:11.540 address? Are you, or what else are you talking about in those things? So primarily with the

00:51:16.100 American campfire revival, I've been, uh, teaching through this book called the American covenant.

00:51:20.540 Um, and it, it, it, it again goes back to what our forefathers and mothers knew that we have

00:51:27.960 forgotten. We wonder why we're in this mess that we're in today. And we think that politics can save

00:51:33.580 us by electing the right guy, or, uh, we think that overturning a law at the Supreme court can save us.

00:51:40.540 Uh, no, it ultimately can't. The only thing that can save us is what our forefathers and foremothers

00:51:47.260 understood. And that is that nations become free and, and, and prosperous when men become free and

00:51:56.260 prosperous in their heart. When, um, John Adams was asked, uh, it may have been Sam Adams. I get the

00:52:04.500 two confused. Uh, Sam Adams makes a great beer. Uh, John Adams made for a great president. Uh, but,

00:52:12.500 but, but, but one of them said, when he was asked about the revolution, he said, which revolution,

00:52:20.560 which revolution are you talking about it? Because there was a revolution that took place long before

00:52:26.980 the war of independence. It was the revolution that occurred in men's hearts. It was a shift

00:52:32.760 from focusing on self, which leads to suffering and shame and pain and guilt

00:52:39.740 to a focus on the bigger picture, stepping back and saying, God made me on purpose for purpose.

00:52:48.880 I have a purpose here and I want to lean into that. And I want to bring more of heaven to earth

00:52:56.460 in the, through the days that God's given me. Once that occurred, they were fighting for something

00:53:02.800 like Luke was fighting to defeat the death star. And there was no stopping him. Right. And the force

00:53:11.540 was with them. And I believe that the powers of heaven are behind good men of faith and character

00:53:18.860 who are not focused on pleasing themselves, but honoring God and becoming a conduit of what is good

00:53:27.540 and right and true, uh, here on earth. Well said, man. Well said. It inspires me. How do we,

00:53:37.040 uh, how do we learn more about your projects, including life, Mark, uh, the American campfire

00:53:41.460 revival, everything that you have going on. How do we learn more about this stuff?

00:53:45.500 Well, um, thank you for asking. You could just go to Kirk Cameron.com. I got everything listed there.

00:53:51.820 So just kind of search around and you can find all kinds of cool things. Um, that American covenant

00:53:56.740 book is just, is just a, a, a treasure chest of principles. Um, there's so many. I wrote it down.

00:54:03.380 I'm going to get it right after this is done. I want to check that out. And it's not just the

00:54:07.880 principles that made this a great nation. It's stories of the men who embodied those principles

00:54:13.640 and what they did against all odds. When all hope seemed lost, they were part of that irate,

00:54:21.960 tireless minority who were committed to do the right thing over the long haul, believing

00:54:28.420 that God would use it to bring about flourishing for them and for their nations.

00:54:37.620 Well, we're going to sync everything up. So the guys know where to go. I've been following you for

00:54:41.160 a long time. I love your social media profiles because I follow along there, all your projects,

00:54:46.200 man, what an honor and a treat to be able to talk with you. I, I really appreciate you sharing some

00:54:49.560 time with me and great beard, great beard. Yeah. Oh, Ryan, thanks for encouraging me so much. And I

00:54:56.860 appreciate what you're doing. And, uh, you know, if, if all of us just ask that question, uh, God,

00:55:02.860 what do you want me to do? You know, I'm not, I'm not Ryan and I don't have his beard. I don't have

00:55:07.660 his podcast or his platform, but I got, I've got some kids or I've got a job or I've got some time.

00:55:15.080 Um, man, I love to pray, man. I care about people. God, maybe I've got some extra money.

00:55:20.720 What do you want me to do? If we all do that, the gates of hell will not prevail against us.

00:55:31.200 Agreed. Agreed. Thanks again, brother. I appreciate you.

00:55:34.980 All right. You too, Ryan. Take care.

00:55:38.200 All right, man. There you go. My conversation with the one and only Kurt Cameron. I hope you

00:55:41.980 enjoyed it. Obviously a lot of passion in this guy. And I love to have that and hear that passion and

00:55:46.120 see what he's excited about and see what drives him because those things are, are frankly, what,

00:55:51.520 what drive me and motivate me and inspire me. So I hope you're walking away inspired. And more

00:55:55.560 importantly, I hope you're walking away with the desire to do something about it, not just be

00:56:00.560 inspired for the next hour, but to actually take this information, apply it in your life in a practical

00:56:05.800 way and serve the people around you. That's what it means to be a man. So let's make that

00:56:12.040 happen. All right, guys, make sure you subscribe, leave a rating review, check out the masculinity

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Order of Man - August 09, 2022

KIRK CAMERON ｜ Becoming Men of Faith and Character

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