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00:00:00.000 yeah, it was, it was very, it was very subdued. It was, it was tempered. I wasn't sharing all

00:00:06.580 the bullshit and the baggage. I was just sharing like maybe what he, I thought he wanted to hear

00:00:11.020 and what was like the, the culturally acceptable answer. But when I started working with my new

00:00:16.620 therapist, um, I made the decision that, no, I'm just going to share. And I might sound like an

00:00:21.200 evil son of a bitch, but if I want to improve, then I have to be honest with somebody who can

00:00:26.700 actually help me navigate my feelings. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest,

00:00:35.260 embrace your fears and boldly charge your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up

00:00:40.460 one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:47.760 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:00:52.880 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:58.460 Kip, what's up, brother? So great to see you a little, a little different than we normally do

00:01:02.380 because we're not normally recording on a Friday, but, uh, we've got some, some upcoming plans. So

00:01:07.860 we got to make some adjustments. Just like life. We have to pivot and adjust as necessary.

00:01:14.100 That's right. For those of you may not know, Kip and I are going on a hunt. Uh, not,

00:01:19.080 wait, is it? No, not next week. The following week. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The following week.

00:01:24.480 So it's coming up fast. We're going to go hunt some axis deer in Hawaii. Is this your first,

00:01:29.020 is this your first archery?

00:01:30.320 First archery. Literally every day I go home, I spend 30 minutes, I shoot some arrows and I'm just

00:01:38.160 hoping if I do that daily between now and then I will know somewhat what to do to at least throw an

00:01:45.280 arrow at something. I don't know. Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll have shots for sure. Whether you hit

00:01:51.040 something or not is to be determined. Same with me. I'm not, I'm not saying you, you will or won't

00:01:56.420 and I will, but, uh, it's, it's a tough hunt and not very many people get to say their first archery

00:02:01.560 hunt is on the Island of Molokai, uh, shooting axis deer. So it's going to be a good time.

00:02:06.420 I'm excited. I mean, of course I'm excited. Of course I want to go and, and get a kill and be

00:02:11.940 successful. So I'll try to like have the expectation of doing good, but also the humility

00:02:19.880 of realizing that it's about the moment and appreciate it and try not to put too high of

00:02:24.620 expectations on, on how it shows up. So we'll see. It's such a, I think that's a really good

00:02:30.540 way, especially when it comes to hunting, you know, you train for the best, you train for the

00:02:34.260 outcome you desire, but, and you've said this in the past, once you get there, the nothing else

00:02:39.480 matters because you've already put in the work you've put in the effort and hopefully

00:02:42.880 it all comes together. The problem with life is there's external circumstances that are

00:02:48.100 beyond your control. There's deer that are trying to stay alive just as much as you're

00:02:51.960 trying to kill them. If you're dealing with people, they have their own set of values and

00:02:56.940 principles and interests that sometimes are aligned and sometimes aren't. So it's, it's

00:03:02.940 tough. You know, I wish everybody and everything would just bend and succumb to my will, but

00:03:07.420 obviously that just doesn't work out. It hasn't worked out yet. I'm assuming archery grouping is

00:03:12.140 a good sign, just like shooting a rifle. And so I actually feel pretty good at 20 and 30 yards. My

00:03:18.280 groupings are solid. The funny part is all my groupings are about eight inches to the right of

00:03:24.060 the target of where I'm aiming. I'm super consistent off target to the right in the same exact spot.

00:03:30.800 So I don't know if, if my site's off or if I'm, have you made your adjustments yet?

00:03:35.880 I haven't touched anything on the bow. Like, is that what you're talking?

00:03:39.120 Oh, that's the, that's the problem.

00:03:41.540 We'll talk offline. So just like when you're sighting, it's not that you're off. I mean,

00:03:46.360 we can look at your technique. It's not that the technique is bad. It may or may not be. We need to

00:03:50.460 look at it. But when, when you set, when you get a brand new gun, for example, and you put a new

00:03:55.780 optic on there, the grouping is good. It doesn't matter where it's grouped, but then you start

00:03:59.520 walking it into the bullseye. And it's the same thing with archery. If you're shooting everything

00:04:03.980 eight inches to the right, that's not bad. The fact that it's consistently eight inches to the

00:04:08.600 right means that we just need to move your pin to the right a little bit. And what that'll do is

00:04:14.800 that'll naturally make you adjust your aim and bring it to the left, which is going to be center. So

00:04:19.540 that's, that's an easy fix. We'll talk offline about it. I'll send you a video and show you how to do

00:04:24.220 that. Yeah. Cause it's consistent. Like I'm like wicked consistent. Perfect. That's good.

00:04:29.520 Yeah. I'd rather you be consistent in one direction. And all we have to do now is just

00:04:35.280 walk it in. Just like with rifle, with rifle, you don't change your shot at all. You don't

00:04:39.560 change your aim or anything else. We'll just walk it in based on the adjustments that we make to the

00:04:43.460 site. Easy fix. Cool. Well, yeah, I'm excited, man. I did my first, uh, not, not that this means

00:04:50.140 anything. I'm not, I, I realized it's more accident than anything, but I already ruined an arrow

00:04:55.320 because I like Robin hood it like a caught the fletching. I know. I saw that. Hey, that's kind

00:05:01.260 of cool. That's, you know, pretty consistent. So it's kind of fun. It's actually, it's actually

00:05:07.000 not common. I I've maybe, and I've been hunting for eight years and I've shot thousands and thousands

00:05:13.040 of arrows. I may have done that maybe three or four times tops. So the fact that you're getting

00:05:18.880 grouping that tight where you're ripping the fletchings off of other arrows, you didn't ruin that

00:05:24.320 arrow, by the way. So don't throw it away. You just need to put a new fletching on it.

00:05:27.220 See, that's the other. Yeah. Don't get it. Cause those arrows get expensive.

00:05:30.280 Well, and it's funny because I went to the, the archery, uh, store and, and there I'm like,

00:05:37.900 do you need arrows? I'm like, yeah. And then they pull out shafts. Right. And I'm like,

00:05:42.560 you don't have pre-made ones. Oh no, we have to build these. I was like, damn.

00:05:47.660 Yeah. Like, all right, keep adding up.

00:05:49.420 Yeah. They, they cut them to size. I know it's cool. It's cool. Well, good, man. It's

00:05:54.880 going to be good. Well, I'll help you get some of that stuff worked out. I've got some changes

00:05:58.400 here. Obviously you can see the new studio lighting has changed a little bit. I'm very

00:06:02.240 excited about this. Um, the reason I'm excited about it, and there's a lesson I want to share

00:06:06.960 other than just bragging about how good it looks. The lesson is hire people that are experts.

00:06:12.420 I mean, I've, I've, I've done the YouTube thing. I've looked at videos. Like I know a little bit

00:06:18.340 about lighting. This guy, I hired him. He's a videographer. His name is drew renner here in town.

00:06:23.640 I called him up. I'm like, Hey man, I need just some consulting with my lighting in my studio. He's

00:06:27.640 like, cool. So he came over, charged an hourly rate for it, came over. And within five minutes,

00:06:33.620 it looked a hundred percent better. And then we spent about an hour tweaking, adjusting. He sent me a

00:06:39.540 link for some other things that I need. So you're going to see some changes. If you're not on

00:06:43.500 YouTube, make sure you go to a youtube.com slash order of man, and you can see what the lighting

00:06:48.880 looks like, but it's a testament to the power of hiring experts. I spent 120 bucks or something.

00:06:56.460 He spent an hour, hour and a half with me. It's been 120 bucks and I'm using less stuff than I was

00:07:03.900 before. I have one less lighting or one fewer lights than I did before. And I, I literally have,

00:07:12.060 you can't see it. I have a bed sheet over this lighting to soften it up a little bit. It's wild

00:07:17.640 what you can do with some of this stuff. I mean, this is just the power of just making sure if you

00:07:22.800 want to, if you want to be the best, hire people to help you be the best, whether it's lighting or

00:07:28.320 jujitsu or firearms or archery or business or social media, hire coaches, implement their advice.

00:07:36.760 It's going to pay dividends. I love that principle. And it looks great. Looks great.

00:07:42.580 All right. Headlines. Are we doing headlines? Let's get into some questions. I have one prepared.

00:07:47.340 I don't know if you have one. It's just you today. I didn't even think about it since we're off. So if

00:07:52.060 you have one, I'm assuming you'll appreciate, you'll appreciate this headline or you'll have an

00:07:56.540 opinion about it nonetheless. Okay. Check this out. Eric Prince used to, Eric Prince used to be a

00:08:02.840 founder of BlackRock. Okay. Recently appeared on a podcast, literally this past week and said the

00:08:10.360 following, it's time for us to put the Imperial hat back on to say, we're going to govern those

00:08:17.060 countries. If they're incapable of governing themselves, because enough is enough. We are done

00:08:23.420 being invaded. And this, he's talking about helping Africa because, you know, we're tired

00:08:29.700 of being invaded. So man, we got to govern Africa better. He says, Prince said, noting how Africa

00:08:34.840 governments are stocked with corruption, politics, looting and pillaging, which leads to a major

00:08:39.720 disorder and mass migration abroad. He added that he's absolutely talking about being a colonialist.

00:08:46.740 Okay. So this is this guy's statement. I'm stealing this information from someone else that,

00:08:52.520 that shared this. Here's the funny part. So Eric Prince, no longer with BlackRock.

00:08:58.520 He is now part of a VC called Frontier Resource Group. And according to their, and I have their

00:09:06.020 LinkedIn page up right now, this is what Frontier Resource Group does. They're a private equity fund

00:09:11.740 investing in natural resource opportunities in the frontier markets. We specialize in risk mitigation,

00:09:17.560 operational efficiencies within complex environments, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:23.080 And I, learning this, I immediately went to, and it's a scripture in the LDS religion. And I,

00:09:31.500 and I get, we're not all part of the scripture or this religion, but this has always spoken to me.

00:09:36.680 And this, and the phrase is, we have learned by sad experience. That is, it is, that it is the nature

00:09:44.100 and dispensation of almost all men. As soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose,

00:09:50.720 they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. And I love that phrase because I,

00:09:59.820 you see it, people get a little bit of authority and all of a sudden we practice unrighteous

00:10:07.080 dominion. We get full of ourselves. We think we know what's best for people and we practice

00:10:13.220 unrighteous controls. And this is just a prime example of this. You don't think this is, I mean,

00:10:22.240 and we, we even see this in, in small companies where we get into positions and we assume that we know

00:10:28.780 what's best for people. We don't go out of our way to ask for insights and their opinions. And we

00:10:34.440 twist the truth a little bit. We justify some action so we can remain inside of control. And I

00:10:41.520 think this is just a prime example of that shadiness that so many men practice.

00:10:50.580 That's crazy.

00:10:51.560 I mean, the real question is, what do you do to combat it? Because it is the, the, the nature of man,

00:10:57.600 I think. I pulled up a quote here that I think a lot of people have heard and it's this, and you've

00:11:03.080 heard this too. Power tends to corrupt absolutely. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the

00:11:08.520 same concept that you're talking about here. The question is, how do we refrain from exercising

00:11:15.140 unrighteous dominion over other people? There's nothing wrong with power, by the way.

00:11:19.480 That's a good point.

00:11:19.980 And I, and I think there is a misconception about that because people, yeah, people, especially in

00:11:26.160 modern times with you, you use the word colonized to, to, to colonialize certain, certain countries

00:11:33.120 or certain geographical areas, you know, and, and, and people look at this tyrannical patriarchy

00:11:38.620 and they look at the hierarchy of organizations, whether it's for profit, nonprofit, and governments.

00:11:44.800 And we look at it and very shallowly and ignorantly believe that it's just a, a product of power.

00:11:54.880 And it's typically not, especially in this country, it's a product of aptitude. It's the

00:11:59.920 meritocracy that we still live in for the most part. So power is not bad. There is situations in which

00:12:08.580 we have power. If you're the employer or the boss or the business owner, you have more power than the

00:12:15.380 rank and file employee clearly. So the question is not whether or not power is, is being utilized.

00:12:23.960 It is, it's whether or not you're utilizing it righteously. And if you have power, what, what's

00:12:29.900 the, what's the phrase, uh, with great responsibility, with, with, uh, with great power comes great

00:12:35.780 responsibility. Guys, we have a moral obligation to take our authority and power that we have,

00:12:41.980 or that we've earned, or even been bestowed to us to do righteous things, to serve other people,

00:12:49.260 to lift other people up, to use the resources that we have at our disposal, to serve other people,

00:12:55.320 to serve ourselves, to do righteous things, to solve problems, real problems that impact people

00:13:01.260 negatively. The, the challenge is it's hard because your nature is to amass and maintain that power

00:13:11.160 at all expenses at any cost. And it's, uh, it's something we have to fight against constantly

00:13:19.620 because the nature of man is to just be corrupt. And I heard a, uh, I heard a pastor the other day or,

00:13:26.680 or a bishop or, you know, it was the Pope. It was the Pope. He said, I think all men are good.

00:13:32.420 I'm like, that's biblically incorrect. You're the freaking Pope. That's funny. Men are fallen.

00:13:39.860 That is biblically inaccurate. And I'm not saying I'm a biblical scholar. I made a comment about Jesus,

00:13:45.780 uh, uh, having the disciples to learn from, and I've been called out on that. And so there's some

00:13:51.220 nuance to that, what I meant, but I failed to explain, but that's, that's another conversation.

00:13:55.460 But the Pope is biblically inaccurate. Men are fallen. Yeah. We are in a fallen state. We are

00:14:03.440 sinners by our nature. That's why the natural man. And it's up to us to, yeah, exactly. It's up to us

00:14:11.420 to combat against the natural man and, and be better, be more righteous, work towards doing good things.

00:14:20.920 So I, it was really funny when I heard the Pope say that, I'm like, wait, what did he just say

00:14:26.060 that we're naturally good? No, we're not. We're fallen. We're tempted. We're sinners and we need

00:14:32.900 redemption. Yeah. Well, and that's, and what's great about it is to know it. Right. And then what

00:14:38.160 do we do with it? We check ourselves. We make sure, wait, am I doing this out of authority? Is this

00:14:43.800 about me? Is this about my ego or is this what's best? And we, and that's how we do it. And you ask

00:14:49.180 this question, we'll keep them. What do we do with it? Right? Well, what we do with it is we call

00:14:53.560 things out. We, we see things like this and we say something about it at least. And we have the

00:15:00.080 conversation around it to help mitigate and put checks and balances in place.

00:15:04.320 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh, all right. I was just pulling something up there. All right, man. Well,

00:15:13.320 let's get into some questions. I think that's very interesting. Um, I don't really know the

00:15:17.660 context of all that. So what does he live in at Prince lives in Africa, somewhere in Africa,

00:15:22.020 an African province, or I don't, I don't know. He sold Blackwater, started a VC that VC specializes

00:15:29.760 in frontier environmental investments. And here he is on a podcast. He's from the U S and

00:15:37.360 here he is on a podcast talking about how we should colonize Africa because, you know,

00:15:42.400 they don't know what they're doing. Right. Yeah. Well, look, shape, I mean, that's evil in

00:15:48.760 and of itself, but then you start mixing in the corruption and the conflict of interest with

00:15:52.600 running a, an organization that wants to steal and extrapolate resources. Yeah. That's a,

00:15:57.620 that doesn't, doesn't look good. Yeah. The optics are not good at all. Yeah. But you know,

00:16:02.380 he'll get away with it. People are, people are just willing to turn the other cheek. So anyways,

00:16:06.560 let's go. All right. So we're going to field questions from the gram from Instagram to follow

00:16:11.040 Mr. Mickler there. Go to, uh, at Ryan Mickler and that's your handle as well for X. All right. Um,

00:16:18.600 I see a lot of influencers. This is last in line leadership. I see a lot of influencers who profess to

00:16:25.120 be Christians that really aren't as open about it when promoting their business coaching and

00:16:30.560 curriculum book and social platforms. I've always appreciated the way you are bold about your faith

00:16:35.680 in most conversations, but I wonder why many Christian men seem to compartmentalize their faith

00:16:42.000 when conducting business or interacting in a secular environment. And this is a good question

00:16:46.900 because I actually kind of do this, I think so. Yeah. Well, I think there's a couple of different

00:16:54.100 things I would suggest here. Number one is not all people are going to behave the same way that you

00:16:59.260 do, or you would like them to. So you're, you're saying, well, they're not doing what I would do.

00:17:04.000 Right. Cause they're a completely different person. So for us to judge that person and say, well, he

00:17:09.160 should be doing this. He should be doing that. He doesn't believe he's a believer. He's a 50% believer.

00:17:13.520 Well, he's just going about his life differently, differently than you, you know, and, and who's to say

00:17:18.740 that he doesn't talk about those things in other contexts. If I'm a lawyer, for example, I'm probably

00:17:25.140 not going to profess my Christian faith to my clients because it's really irrelevant to the

00:17:30.600 conversation that we're having. Now, will I hopefully exercise Christian principles in the way that I

00:17:37.300 approach my work with a client? I would hope that's the goal, but it's not really always necessary or

00:17:44.840 even appropriate to bring those things up. So, you know, there's also another, another risk that

00:17:50.280 you run. And I've seen this plenty of times where people profess their Christianity, but they're using 0.98

00:17:55.760 it as a gimmick and a tactic to acquire new business. So are you saying that that person's

00:18:02.360 more righteous because they're talking more about Christianity when they're just leveraging it as a

00:18:06.360 tool to manipulate people? Of course, that's not the right thing. So it's hard to judge people's

00:18:13.320 motives. And that's what we need to be very, very cautious of. Well, that person doesn't believe in

00:18:18.180 God because he doesn't talk about it to my liking. How do you know? How do you know what that person's

00:18:24.120 experiencing you going through now? So that's one. The other thought I have about this, and, and I

00:18:29.740 appreciate that, that you think that I, we talk about this. I don't really feel like I talk about it a

00:18:35.280 whole lot actually relative to as much as I could, but I do that by design. And I know there's going to be a

00:18:41.960 lot of people who hear what I'm about to say and, and rebuke, and maybe even chastise what I'm going

00:18:47.920 to say because of what the Bible shares about not being ashamed. I'm like, what is it? I think it's in

00:18:55.480 Romans. I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. So you could interpret what I'm about to say as being

00:19:00.960 ashamed. It's not, but this is a secular organization. And I really believe that we can reach

00:19:08.520 more people with Christian principles if we don't talk about it under the guise or the lens of

00:19:16.880 Christianity all the time. Because they can't relate as much. And if that's not agreeable to you, 1.00

00:19:22.760 they can't, they don't, they're like, wait, you're talking about this concept of masculinity,

00:19:27.100 biblical masculinity, but I don't believe in the Bible. So you just lost that person.

00:19:32.460 There are other organizations out there who do talk a lot more about Christianity than we do. And

00:19:37.080 those are great organizations. And I believe in what they're doing. And I think they should do it

00:19:40.960 that way. But we do this by design and no one can doubt, and this might sound even a little arrogant,

00:19:47.660 but no one can doubt the reach, the millions and millions of men who are not Christian that we have

00:19:54.800 reached with biblical Christian principles because we haven't talked about it from that context.

00:20:02.140 Is that right or wrong? I don't know. That's up for you to decide. But for me, this is how I choose

00:20:08.720 to run the organization. And you will hear me talk about my faith, but I don't ever push that faith

00:20:15.020 on other people. And I try to make arguments that aren't based in faith alone. And I'll tell you why.

00:20:23.520 There's a logical fallacy called the appeal to authority.

00:20:26.600 So if I say, for example, in the concept of masculinity, and I'm talking to us as fellow

00:20:33.160 listeners and people of Order Man and Iron Council, that the reason you should be a good man is because

00:20:38.340 the Bible tells us to be good men. Well, what about the guy who doesn't believe in the Bible?

00:20:45.200 So all you did right there is you undermined your own argument because your argument is only strong

00:20:50.900 enough in so much that somebody believes in the authority that you're appealing to, the Bible in

00:20:56.540 this case. But if somebody doesn't believe in the Bible, it's very easy to dismiss that argument and

00:21:01.780 say, well, I don't believe in the Bible, so am I okay being an evil man? So I think if you're going to

00:21:07.280 make an argument, you should be able to do it from a faith-based perspective. But I also believe that

00:21:12.700 you should have a way to explain your side of the argument to anyone who may not believe in the

00:21:17.760 authority that you're claiming right now. It's just a great way to approach life because you're

00:21:23.700 going to talk with all sorts of people. You know, it's like somebody saying, well, you know,

00:21:30.880 you're raising your sons wrong. And I'm a therapist. And because I'm a therapist, I know. And then you

00:21:38.580 say, well, how many kids do you have? They're like, I don't have kids. Okay. Your authority means

00:21:43.480 nothing to me. That little designation degree piece of paper, although I commend you for doing

00:21:49.880 the work to get it, means nothing. You don't have kids. You don't know what it's like to raise sons

00:21:56.760 and daughters. You don't know what it's like to have to put your kid to sleep when they're crying

00:22:01.640 or pick them up because they've had a bad day or celebrate them, celebrate with them when they do

00:22:07.600 something incredible. You, you've read about it. You've seen it, maybe some nieces and nephews,

00:22:13.120 but you haven't done it. So your authority means nothing to me. Anyways, maybe I got off on a little

00:22:20.740 bit of a tangent, but that's why we approach it that way. That's why principles are so profound

00:22:26.880 because they're transcendent. And so when we, when we get past the authority of something and we decide

00:22:32.740 to get into principles, then the relatable across multiple spectrums. That's why when we look at

00:22:39.640 leadership development, how often can you reference being a parent and use parent examples to teach

00:22:46.300 leadership because it's a principle. And that principle is transcendent, whether you're a parent,

00:22:51.840 whether you're a boss, whether you're a passion, it doesn't matter. Principles are principles. And so

00:22:57.040 the more that we can connect to the principle, the more relatable it is. And then people can be

00:23:02.140 wherever they are on the path of growth and development, they can find that relationship

00:23:08.060 and understanding of the principle where they are. So I'm the same way. In fact, I'm probably,

00:23:14.880 I'm probably more cautious around religious things, mostly because the other part is I don't want other, 1.00

00:23:19.420 I don't want people to feel like I'm using it as a tool, you know? So I'm probably overly cautious

00:23:26.740 around it because I don't want people to think that I'm using it as a tool to manipulate

00:23:31.520 or whatever. Um, and I have to be even careful with that pendulum swinging too far in that

00:23:37.180 direction. I don't worry too much about that because I know my motives. And so I'm not going

00:23:44.220 to worry about other people interpreting my motives. I think that's also a dangerous game.

00:23:50.040 Well, what if they do this? Totally. That's what I mean. Like I, I have to be careful not to do

00:23:54.580 that too much. Otherwise I I'm playing a game, trying to control and manipulate people. Right?

00:24:02.120 Well, no, I'm saying I'm not as aware of people's perception of my motives because it doesn't matter

00:24:08.780 what they think my motives are for you. Yeah. I don't, I try not to judge people's motives.

00:24:14.460 You know, if you do something Kip that I don't approve of, like it isn't right for me. I can say, 1.00

00:24:19.360 hey, I don't approve that. Or I don't like that. Or I don't appreciate that. But I can't really make

00:24:24.340 assumptions about your motives because I just don't know. Yeah. All I can tell you is I don't

00:24:28.640 appreciate it based on my own perspective, but your motives, I don't know what they are. Unless,

00:24:34.160 unless you share with me or, you know, I have some, I'm privy to some information, but yeah,

00:24:38.240 I mean, this is the, the scripture I was quoting. It's Romans 1 16 for I am not ashamed of the gospel

00:24:43.680 of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth to the Jew first and also to

00:24:49.040 the Greek. That is, I'm not sure which translation that is. But anyway, so yeah, it's like, we don't

00:24:58.580 have to be ashamed, but also we have to be intelligent about the way that we're approaching

00:25:02.180 what we're doing here. All right. Max Naren, how do you enhance your skills mentally and physically?

00:25:09.640 How do you network more? Kind of two different questions there, but things I guess maybe he's

00:25:15.160 asking particular, what are you doing to enhance your skills mentally and physically? Cause we could

00:25:19.720 spend a whole hour talking about different ideas, I guess. Yeah. I think this is a pretty,

00:25:25.540 pretty broad question. So I can give you a broad answer, uh, figure out what you want to do

00:25:29.880 and hire coaches. We talked a little bit about that. Invest in training, uh, practice.

00:25:39.320 And that's it. I mean, there really isn't, it's a, again, it's a pretty broad and general question,

00:25:47.480 but the answer is, is very simple. It's figure out exactly what you're trying to do or be or improve

00:25:54.460 upon. That's important because if you don't know your target, you're going to miss it. And even if

00:25:59.380 you hit it, you don't know why. So you need to know what you're aiming at. And then you need to bring

00:26:04.200 the right people in the right resources and people in to improve that skillset. And then the only

00:26:08.760 other thing I would say is there's got to be some way to measure it. You know, if I want to, if I want

00:26:13.580 to become a better public speaker, for example, that's a skill that all of us could develop to

00:26:19.200 varying degrees. Uh, I, I could know that I want to do that. I could hire speaking coaches. I could, uh,

00:26:26.840 go to courses and conferences that teach about public speaking. I could practice it. I could put myself

00:26:32.840 in positions where that opportunity exists, but then I also have to be able to measure it and say,

00:26:37.920 okay, did I improve? That's where our after action review process comes in. Did I improve? Did I get

00:26:43.280 better? Uh, was I able to connect better? Did people appreciate the way I presented or the anecdotes

00:26:49.680 that I shared more than they have in the past? Did I feel better about it? You have to have that

00:26:54.500 review process, but that's a, that's a pretty simple, simple thing.

00:26:59.600 Yeah. I love your last statement. Cause I, I don't think that's what we do. Right. It's like,

00:27:04.880 oh, I want to improve mentally. So I'm going to read some books. I'm gonna listen to podcasts.

00:27:09.400 And then we're just doing it. And we're like, actually, am I getting better? Am I, am I learning?

00:27:15.840 Am I growing? Right. Is there intent around what I'm doing? If it's not, we might be just wasting a lot

00:27:22.340 of time. It might just be busy work. Right. So I think just like if you want to improve, you need to

00:27:27.540 measure it just even on the physical side, are you actually getting stronger? How's your

00:27:32.380 fitness? How's your strength? And those other things.

00:27:38.460 There's a, uh, a concept called the OODA loop, which is an acronym OODA loop. Have you heard of

00:27:43.960 this kid? Yeah, absolutely. So the OODA loop is a process that I'm describing, uh, identified by,

00:27:51.360 I believe it's Colonel John Boyd. Don't quote me on that. I think that's who it is. Air Force pilot,

00:27:58.060 um, created this, this loop or identified this loop. And it's, it's OODA. It stands for the first O is

00:28:04.760 observe. The second is orient. The third is decide. The fourth is act. So to observe your surroundings,

00:28:14.160 observe what you're good at, what you're not good at. Next is to orient yourself. Okay. Well,

00:28:20.200 I'm not a great public speaker, so I could definitely improve in that department. I'm not

00:28:23.920 a great marketer, so I can improve that department or I'm not as fit as I'd like to be. So I need to

00:28:27.760 get more fit. And then deciding is to make the decision with a course of action. I'm going to

00:28:34.440 hire this person. I'm going to bring in this resource. I'm going to do these things. And then

00:28:38.980 lastly is you need to take action, but it's called a loop. So it doesn't just stop. It's not linear.

00:28:44.920 So when you act, then you go back to observe. Okay. So you acted, now you observe,

00:28:48.940 did what I set out to do get accomplished? Did I improve? Did I get better? So the OODA loop

00:28:54.720 has been a good heuristic for me to develop skills that I, that I want to and need to develop in my

00:29:01.660 life. As far as networking goes, I think it's the same thing. A lot of people just think, oh,

00:29:07.340 just randomly, willy nilly, just meet people. I don't, I, I'm not, I'm too busy just to meet people.

00:29:12.260 I want to meet specific people. So I know what I'm trying to accomplish. I know what I offer and

00:29:18.560 what value I bring to the table. I know what I'm looking for. I know how I can serve people. I know

00:29:23.280 how those certain people can serve me. And then I make those decisions to go to conferences or

00:29:28.280 send a text or follow that person on Facebook or subscribe to their newsletter or ask them to come

00:29:35.780 spend time with us in a, you know, on a, on a hike that we're going to or whatever it may be.

00:29:41.040 But the biggest thing that people get wrong about networking is they make it all about themselves.

00:29:46.840 So if I'm trying to network with you, Kip, because I see that there's some synergy between what we

00:29:51.860 potentially could do, I come into it very selfishly and I try to get mine as quickly as possible.

00:29:58.620 That'd be like going out on a date with a woman and then saying, oh, I really like this woman. 0.97

00:30:02.340 Will you marry me? It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, hold up a sec. First,

00:30:08.340 you don't even know if you like or love me. Second, I don't know if I like or love you.

00:30:13.240 Third, we don't know if we work well together and if we're aligned in our goals. That's what

00:30:18.300 the courting process is to try to figure that out. And if it works, then you keep courting. If it

00:30:22.280 doesn't, then you go your separate ways and you find somebody else. And it's the same thing with

00:30:27.780 networking. We come in and we're like, hey, oh, Kip, oh, Kip, I'm glad we met. Can you help me with

00:30:32.080 this thing? It's like, whoa, you haven't earned the right to ask me to introduce you to somebody

00:30:38.460 or to invest in your business or whatever. Instead, and here's what everybody ought to do,

00:30:43.460 but most people don't, and it will set you apart, is always lead with value. Always. When in doubt,

00:30:50.940 always lead with value. So if I know there's some synergistic opportunities, Kip, between you and me

00:30:56.120 knowing each other, whether it's in our personal lives or professional lives, I'm really going to spend a

00:31:01.600 lot of time thinking about what you as an individual need and what I might be able to offer, whether it's

00:31:08.100 my own services or insight or even an outside introduction. So if I don't know you, Kip, but I

00:31:13.360 want to get to know you, one really, really powerful tactic is this. I'm going to send you an email.

00:31:19.500 Hey, Kip, I've been following you on social media for some time now, and I really like what you have

00:31:24.480 to say about leadership. And, uh, I know you've got this project coming up. I'm making something

00:31:30.120 up here. I know you've got this project coming up and I have a great introduction to somebody

00:31:35.140 who has done that exact same thing. And I think it'd be a really good connection for you. Would

00:31:41.460 you mind if I made that introduction? Of course, you know, I had a phone call with a friend of mine

00:31:47.600 and we were talking about some of his own personal and professional struggles and mine too.

00:31:51.800 Uh, we share these things with each other and he's coming out with a new book and I, I want to

00:31:58.400 continue to build a relationship with this person. And so I said to him, Hey man, would it help if

00:32:02.080 you came on my podcast? He's like, dude, I would love that. I'm like, good. Come on the podcast.

00:32:06.680 You like, does that guy think more highly of me now because I was willing to open up my platform

00:32:11.740 to him to sell his book or less? Of course more. And when there comes a point in time where I have a

00:32:17.420 new book or a program or something and I'm like, Hey, do you mind if I come on your podcast? I've

00:32:22.440 got this thing come. Of course he's going to say yes to that. Of course he is. Well, I don't keep

00:32:27.820 score. So I want to be clear on that, but I'm always leading with value, finding ways to be the

00:32:33.920 most valuable person in that, in that individual's life. And if I can do that, then I'll never have a

00:32:39.340 need for networking or connections. Never. Love it. Drew Sands for reels on Insta. How do you think

00:32:47.180 about your earning potential? Has it evolved over time? I don't really like, how do I, how do I think

00:32:59.320 of my earning potential? I don't, I don't really think, think about it too much. Maybe I should.

00:33:06.080 I don't know. What, do you have some thoughts on this? I think it should always be increasing,

00:33:10.500 right? Your earning potential. Otherwise I'm not growing. That's how I see it. When I think of

00:33:15.500 earning potential, it should always be higher than it was a year ago. And if it's not, that means I'm

00:33:22.880 not providing more value than who I was a year ago. So I always think it's this thing that should

00:33:29.600 always be increasing. Otherwise I use it as a measuring stick of what I, what my impact is, or

00:33:36.020 the value I bring to the table. I think you're right. I, I must do it maybe subconsciously. I

00:33:44.340 don't really spend a lot of time thinking about what my earning potential is, but if I'm going to

00:33:47.960 do a speaking, I remember the first professional speaking gig I did. And I say professional because

00:33:53.980 I got paid for doing it. I got $500. Unless it's a friend, I'm never going to go speak in public for

00:34:00.600 $500. I would speak for friends for, for, for free in a lot of cases, or if there's some other

00:34:07.200 benefit to it for me. Um, but I would never do it if a, if an organization called and said, Hey,

00:34:12.040 can you come speak? I would never do it for $500, 5,000, maybe, you know, but then there's other

00:34:17.920 people who are literally making 50,000 for a speaking engagement. So what's the difference? Well,

00:34:25.140 it's that person's ability. It's their reach. It's, it's their audience. It's their likability.

00:34:31.220 It's the authority and influence and trust that they've already built up and established. So

00:34:35.400 I think I do it subconsciously. I don't think about it in, in terms of how can I make more money?

00:34:42.080 I guess that's not true. I guess I do think about that, but I think this goes back to the OODA loop

00:34:46.660 observing where you are currently, what kind of income you want to make,

00:34:51.720 orienting yourself towards a direction, deciding which choice to make and then acting on it.

00:34:56.680 But I don't really think about earning potential too often. I mean, maybe I should, I don't either,

00:35:02.840 but I think, but we're both focused on improving constantly, which I think is a by-product of

00:35:10.040 increasing potential, but yeah. Interesting. I don't think it's a by-product. I think it's a

00:35:16.540 prerequisite. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah.

00:35:19.780 Yeah. Hmm. All right. Snowden Rob. Cool. What's next? After two years of hardships,

00:35:26.140 what have you learned about yourself and where do you still feel needs improvement?

00:35:32.960 Oh, this is you. So he's specifically talking about battling. Yeah. Me, right? Yeah.

00:35:39.160 Yeah. Battling with alcoholism, battling with the, uh, with the divorce. Um,

00:35:45.520 yeah, I need, I need to find, I've, I've had to find ways to

00:35:51.960 vent and, and I don't mean vent, like complain and whine and cry about my problems. I mean,

00:35:58.700 let those problems like actually address those problems and deal with them and confront them.

00:36:06.480 And those problems are mentally, uh, the stress that I sometimes have and, and the overwhelm that

00:36:14.660 I sometimes feel emotional, uh, with the insecurities that I have. And I do, I do have

00:36:20.460 insecurities, fear and doubt and abandonment issues. And, um, so sometimes I feel like I have to prove

00:36:28.180 myself to, in order to be loved. I think a lot of people, a lot of men probably feel that to some

00:36:33.680 degree. So I've, I've had to work through a lot of these, uh, through very clear and deliberate

00:36:39.840 things, you know, physical exercise is a big thing for me. Uh, I, I've started to work more closely.

00:36:47.620 I've had a therapist for a long time, but I was just going through the motions and I had an experience

00:36:52.180 and Kip, you and I talked a little bit about this offline about three weeks ago where I was

00:36:55.980 confronted with a situation that made me realize, Oh no, I actually need to take this seriously.

00:37:01.180 Yeah. And I started working with a therapist, but I, before I started working with him,

00:37:07.040 I made the commitment that I'm going to be honest with him now because that isn't something I was

00:37:12.100 really doing. Yeah. It was, it was very, it was very subdued. It was, it was tempered. I wasn't

00:37:19.140 sharing all the bullshit in the baggage. I was just sharing like maybe what he, I thought he wanted

00:37:24.380 to hear and what was like the, the culturally acceptable answer. But when I started working with my

00:37:30.360 new therapist, um, I made the decision that no, I'm just going to share. And I might sound like an

00:37:35.100 evil son of a bitch, but if I want to improve, then I have to be honest with somebody who can

00:37:40.620 actually help me navigate my feelings. My girlfriend and I were laughing the other day about, I think we

00:37:47.700 talked about this. If every single person had no brain to mouth filter, meaning we just

00:37:54.080 regurgitated everything that goes through our mind, how disgusting and horrible we, we would all

00:38:00.900 appear. Um, so yeah, that therapy has been really, really big for me working through some of my

00:38:09.780 emotional and mental baggage that I didn't realize I was carrying around. Thanks for sharing that, man.

00:38:15.140 I love this question. It's not often we get this kind of perspective on this question. So this is

00:38:21.080 from happy, ton, ton, happy, ton, ton. How can I get my man to listen and understand and see me better?

00:38:31.340 He preaches a lot. I would like for us to communicate in ways that build better connection

00:38:36.280 and allow us to truly know each other.

00:38:39.280 I don't know. So this is coming from a woman. It sounds like I don't know what you've already done. So

00:38:49.720 whatever I share, you might have already tried it. But number one, I would say that you say exactly

00:38:55.880 that to him. I think there's a big issue in communication between men and women.

00:39:03.380 Women think they're saying things, but they're not. They're just flat out. They're not. 1.00

00:39:09.280 And men interpret exactly what you say, which is why, for example, when a woman says, hey, 0.96

00:39:16.720 will you go to the grocery store and pick up this butter? He says, what kind? And you're like,

00:39:21.380 blue bunny. I don't even know the kinds of butter. Lando Lakes. Lando Lakes, that's one.

00:39:26.880 Yeah. Yeah. And you say this. Okay. And he goes, he's like, shit, unsalted or salted?

00:39:32.720 He doesn't know. Or margarine is what I would do. I'd come home with margarine and she'd be pissed. 0.96

00:39:40.200 And she'd be pissed. And she's like, I told you to get butter. And you're like, well, yeah, but

00:39:47.440 there's 17,000 things to choose from. So I just picked this one. It kind of looked like the one

00:39:52.680 that was in the refrigerator last week. That's a silly example. But ladies, if you want to communicate 1.00

00:39:58.760 more effectively with the men in your life, you have to be very clear and direct. If you say,

00:40:04.900 for example, let's say you have a bad attitude and your guy comes home from work and he's like,

00:40:12.180 what's up with you? And you're like, nothing. I'm fine. This is a hard day. He's probably going to be

00:40:18.220 like, okay. Like he knows something's wrong, but that's what you said. So like, okay, that's what

00:40:23.940 I would do. And then you get pissed off that he's not caring about what you're going through. It's

00:40:30.380 like, well, you told him not to. You said you're fine. If you actually want him to do something,

00:40:36.060 say, you know what, hun? I really appreciate you asking. I had a really hard day. The kids were

00:40:40.960 acting up. The guy at work was a dickhead. My customer fired me and it was a really hard day.

00:40:47.760 I appreciate you asking. And so what I need is a little space. Can you just take the kids on a ride

00:40:54.620 or the park for an hour? Your husband would gladly do that. Hey, you know what? I'm going to go in the

00:41:01.520 room and just like cry for a minute. Can you make dinner for us tonight? He would do that.

00:41:08.120 But don't, and I'm not accusing you because I don't know, but women are guilty of this 1.00

00:41:13.040 where they'll be very cryptic in their stuff. Like, I'm fine. It was just, that's fine.

00:41:20.240 Nothing. No big deal. Okay. Well then don't expect him to be able to read your mind on what

00:41:26.620 it is you're going through. So you might be really upset that he's not, he's preaching to you.

00:41:33.820 I'm guilty of this too, but he's preaching to you instead of listening to you.

00:41:38.420 If you'd have never told him that, and I mean those exact words, hun, I get really frustrated.

00:41:45.120 It sounds like you're preaching to me. I would just like to have a conversation without you

00:41:49.400 lecturing me. And when you do X, Y, and Z, it sounds like you're lecturing. I still love you.

00:41:54.000 I do want to hear your input, but I don't like this. That's how men communicate. And so if you 0.67

00:42:01.120 want him to change his behavior, you need to be more clear than you currently are. I can almost

00:42:06.400 with 100% certainty guarantee you're not communicating as effectively as you think you are based on the

00:42:12.320 way he needs to hear it. I think that would solve a lot of your problems right there. What do you

00:42:16.640 think though, kid? I think regardless of male or female, when I hear things like listen,

00:42:23.060 understand, and see me better, when you hear see me, that means care, understand my challenges,

00:42:34.360 understand my struggles, my desires. And often we have a tendency to expect the person to get there

00:42:45.340 when rowdy, we need to bring them in and tell them. And so there's huge power in if I'm upset or I want

00:42:55.360 my wife to understand me better, I can't be sitting back and going, well, I wish you would ask.

00:43:03.600 No, man, that's called being a victim. Waiting and hoping is a victim mindset, right? Someone that's

00:43:11.180 taking responsibility or life, they make it happen. So what does that look like from a making it happen

00:43:15.720 perspective? Hey, I'm really upset right now. I want to let you know when this occurred, I interpret

00:43:21.760 this way. I know that's kind of weird, or maybe you don't agree with it or whatever, but so you can

00:43:27.180 understand me and see me and understand how I operate. I want to let you know.

00:43:33.320 So you know who you're dealing with, the little bit of crazy that's inside me.

00:43:39.620 That's how we open up and make people or allow people to understand us better. We have to take

00:43:47.440 the action and bring them in. So when you say, hey, I want my husband to have a better connection

00:43:53.520 or see me better, then tell him. Tell him about you. Tell him what triggers you a little bit,

00:44:01.100 but be careful. And this is where we go wrong with communication. I think a lot in relationships

00:44:06.480 is we'll communicate it and then we'll argue with people's perspective. There's no arguing.

00:44:16.320 You can't argue with how someone feels. If Ryan calls me up and says, dude, I'm pissed off. I don't

00:44:22.000 go. You shouldn't be. No, he is. So I'm not going to argue. Got it. Why? Help me understand that.

00:44:29.220 We need to stop arguing with how people feel because they're sharing. And by the way,

00:44:35.560 when I argue with how you feel, what are you going to do next time? Not share.

00:44:40.640 I'm not going to share. You're going to hold that stuff in. So celebrate the share. Never

00:44:46.560 belittle the share. Otherwise you're going to get people to stop sharing.

00:44:50.840 And so those are two things that come to mind for me.

00:44:56.860 Statement by Jordan Peterson the other day is just like a icing on the top of this,

00:45:01.360 of this question. Be careful what we ask for as well. Like be careful what, what you get,

00:45:08.560 right? Because it's really easy to see what we have and go, oh, it should be like better. He needs

00:45:14.780 to be more empathetic and be careful that you don't drive that so hard that you don't want a man 0.99

00:45:21.420 that solves problems anymore. What happens now when you have a man that doesn't solve problems? 0.85

00:45:26.980 All of a sudden you're like, oh shit, I want that back. Or, and you can see this in other

00:45:33.700 relationships where you have an ambitious, you want an ambitious husband, but yet you make it hard for 0.69

00:45:38.620 him to be ambitious. What is it that you want? Be careful, right? Because otherwise we set the tone

00:45:46.540 for what we get in our relationships. And, and often you, you don't get your cake and eat it too.

00:45:53.260 So there's some power in just being grateful for who we are and who we're with and realize that those

00:46:02.160 things are difficult. It's hard to have a man that gives you tons of attention and time and is

00:46:08.440 ambitious. It's hard to do both of those, you know? And so be grateful for the things that we are

00:46:14.500 getting, you know, from our spouses at the same time. Yeah. Okay. So I like this. All right. We got

00:46:21.920 one more question, man. Good questions, man. Like there's like three, like three really good ones I

00:46:27.460 want to cover. Um, but I have a hard stop at, at 11. So let's, let's go with this 515 sign shop.

00:46:35.140 How do I move on from what I thought was the love of my life? Been struggling for years?

00:46:46.260 Well, first of all, I'm going to say something that's going to hurt. You are wrong. She is not

00:46:52.960 the love of your life. That's it. She's not clearly like you're, you're saying she's the love of your

00:47:02.340 life. And what you're actually saying is she's the only person for your entire life that you're

00:47:07.380 supposed to love. And because you've adopted that mindset, you can't let her go. I don't believe in

00:47:14.920 the one. I, in fact, I don't think I ever have believed in the one. I believe in a one.

00:47:22.220 I believe that there's a person there who you could have an incredible relationship with and

00:47:29.360 even a lifetime, lifelong relationship. But I don't think it's the only person you can have that sort

00:47:34.460 of relationship with. So from where I sit and I'm hearing you right now, you got to get over that.

00:47:41.560 She was the love of your life. She was the love of your past life. She was the love of that period

00:47:47.760 and be grateful and happy and remember the good times and let go, man. Like let go.

00:47:56.120 There are so many other incredible women out there. And I'm not saying you shouldn't mourn it. I'm not

00:48:01.280 saying you shouldn't be upset. I'm not saying you shouldn't learn lessons. I'm not even saying you

00:48:05.420 shouldn't strive to have a lifelong love with somebody. I think you should. That's what I want.

00:48:12.240 But there's somebody else out there. And because you're holding onto all of this baggage and you're

00:48:17.500 thinking about what could have been and what quote unquote should be and she's the love of your life

00:48:22.740 and there isn't another soul that none of that is true, brother. I'm telling you. When you open

00:48:28.080 yourself up to loving somebody else and open yourself up to being loved by someone else, you're

00:48:34.800 going to find out very, very quickly there are some incredible women in the world who would love

00:48:40.820 to love you, who would love to be loved by you and who you can create an incredible life with,

00:48:50.260 but you can't do it if you're hanging on to what was. Be grateful for what was. Be sad about the loss

00:48:57.680 of that, but know that was just a chapter of your life. It's time for her to move on. Maybe she already 0.99

00:49:03.400 has. It's time for you to move on. Free yourself. Allow yourself to love. Allow yourself to be loved.

00:49:10.680 Maybe do some of your own personal work. Maybe it's you don't love yourself. What can you do

00:49:16.360 physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually to start to appreciate and love yourself and offer

00:49:21.920 yourself some grace knowing that, yeah, maybe that was you. Maybe you weren't showing up the way you

00:49:28.920 could have shown up and maybe if you did, it would be different. Okay. Take those lessons into your

00:49:33.520 next relationship and be better for that person and allow that next person to be good for you.

00:49:38.520 Whether it's lifetime or the next year or the next five years, there's going to be another woman, 1.00

00:49:43.620 but you've got to be open and receptive to it. One of the most powerful things that I think for you

00:49:49.800 to consider when letting someone go is that you want what's best for them, even if it includes not

00:49:58.980 you. Because a lot of our lack of letting someone go, it's very, in a lot of cases, I'm not sure if

00:50:07.420 it's the case in this example, but it's often about me and what my needs and my wants and my desires are

00:50:16.660 and not what's really best for that person. So that's a powerful way to really let someone go.

00:50:24.220 Be happy for them. Want the best for them. You want her to move on. You want her to find an amazing

00:50:30.420 guy that she can have a relationship. If you really loved her, you want that for them. Be okay with

00:50:37.320 that. And then in conjunction with what Ryan's saying, man, I don't, I totally agree. And by the way,

00:50:44.480 Ryan, you said, I'm not sure if I've ever felt that way. I have. I used to think that I used to

00:50:49.360 think that there was the one. Absolutely. And I was, and, and it's not only is it not true, but it's

00:50:57.580 also, that's a lot of pressure to put on someone that's unfair, right? Love yourself. Think you can

00:51:10.020 be whole and complete on your own and then choose to be with someone. That's the mindset you need to

00:51:18.120 have in a relationship. In my opinion, if it's not like, Oh, I'm not complete without her. Whoa,

00:51:24.000 that's way too much. No one wants that weight of managing my own happiness and managing theirs.

00:51:32.320 And if I have a bad day, then I'm ruining his life. Like that's too much weight to put on anybody.

00:51:38.560 Be whole and complete on your own, man. Be happy with who you are. Feel great about it. And then

00:51:45.700 choose to be with a great woman. And they're contrary to what all the guys on the internet will

00:51:53.400 say. There are incredible, incredible women out there. They're there. They're ready for you. Not to say 1.00

00:52:00.100 they don't have their own learning and growth. They do, but they are willing. There is a woman

00:52:04.260 out there who is right for you. Not the only one, but a woman out there who is definitely right for

00:52:09.960 you and you're right for her. So you got to free yourself to be able to make a decision. That's what

00:52:14.200 it is. Make, you got to decide. I'm today, you have to make that decision today. Like I'm going to let

00:52:20.120 go. I'm going to, I'm going to be grateful for what we had and I'm going to let her go mentally,

00:52:25.220 emotionally, physically, we're done here. Put a, put a stick, a fork in it. It's done.

00:52:32.040 Now move on. Good advice. I have a hard stop. So connect with Mr. Mickler on the socials at Ryan

00:52:39.300 Mickler. Iron Council's opening up next month. Order of man.com slash iron council to learn more.

00:52:46.560 And as always, you know, follow us on Facebook and YouTube. See Ryan's pretty face in that good

00:52:55.420 lighting. YouTube.com slash order of man. It's not, it's not a pretty face. It's good lighting.

00:53:01.000 It makes it look pretty. I don't know. Someone, someone made a post. Someone made a comment on

00:53:04.520 social media. They're like, Oh, you and Ryan look similar. And I, I made a comment. I'm like,

00:53:08.600 that's the big, that's the best compliment you could ever give Ryan.

00:53:11.980 Yeah. I'm not sure if you saw it. I was like, that's funny. That's true. I think I didn't think

00:53:19.320 you were going to say that, but I was like, wait, I was like, really liked where that was going. And

00:53:22.520 then he said, compliment to me. I'm like, Oh, that isn't where I thought you're going to take that.

00:53:28.120 Awesome. All right, guys. Appreciate you. Great questions today. As always,

00:53:31.280 hopefully we gave you something to consider. Go out there, take action and become a man you are meant to be.

00:53:37.420 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your

00:53:41.760 life and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - May 29, 2024

Leading with Honor The Ethical Authority Debate ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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