Order of Man - Learning to Adjust Fire, Benefits of the COVID-19 Fallout, and Giving Credit Where Credit is Due

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Kemp, what's going on, brother? Back for another Ask Me Anything

00:00:27.960 COVID style. COVID. What is COVID style? If you had to define COVID style, what would you?

00:00:34.480 Just remote. That's it. Is this any different than before COVID-19? Yeah, as I was going to say,

00:00:40.480 it's always this way. Yeah, nothing has changed in the world of Order of Man and Iron Council. It is

00:00:45.420 business as usual. Yeah. Business focused on improving the lives of our fellow, I don't know,

00:00:52.740 of everybody. Just everybody. That's true. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say, you know,

00:00:58.740 that because I've had people ask me about my business and how it's changed with Order of Man.

00:01:03.800 I'm like, nothing's changed. Nothing's changed with Order of Man. Nothing's changed on the home

00:01:07.800 front. My kids have been homeschooled for the past 10 months. I work at home and I have for years.

00:01:13.660 Most of what we do is all digital. So like, we're pretty fortunate in that nothing has changed.

00:01:19.320 I will say, I know a lot of guys are having a hard time. And have you seen the numbers in the

00:01:24.160 Iron Council with our financial assistance fund? Oh my goodness. Like it's amazing. So we put out

00:01:30.860 this call for those of you guys who don't know, we have, we have the Iron Council, which is our

00:01:34.180 exclusive brotherhood. And it's a membership. It's a paid membership, but I knew people were going to be

00:01:39.920 struggling and Rex Huston reached out and he said, Hey, you should consider starting a financial

00:01:44.060 assistance fund. So that's actually, that's a good idea. We should do that. So I put out a call. I said,

00:01:48.440 Hey, if you want to cover somebody's membership, cause you're in the position to do so let us know.

00:01:52.600 And that way, if somebody's having a financial hardship during this time, we can make sure

00:01:56.020 that existing members don't leave the Iron Council during this like difficult time. If you need it,

00:02:01.520 if there's one time in your life where you actually need what we have, it's right now. Right? Yeah.

00:02:06.420 So we, I didn't want people to leave. So anyways, we had, I think we have, I want to say 75 to 80

00:02:13.680 memberships covered at this point and then, or enough funded to cover that many memberships.

00:02:19.260 And then I want to say maybe 10 or so members have taken us up on the offer for some financial

00:02:25.040 assistance. So it's pretty powerful to see how guys are stepping up and helping each other. So if

00:02:29.180 there's, if there's any, if there's any positive, and there's a lot of positive that we've seen over

00:02:34.060 the past several weeks with coronavirus fallout, it's not just an Iron Council, but in general,

00:02:39.180 I mean, people are supportive and helpful and companies are doing amazing things and putting

00:02:44.200 out products. It's just that, that will, that will help and donating. It's just been extremely,

00:02:49.680 extremely inspiring to see how people rally together in difficult times. And it's important

00:02:55.780 too, that we have difficult times because in easy times, everybody's nitpicking each other and

00:02:59.720 arguing over stupid things that aren't relevant. And now when it gets difficult, it's like, oh, okay,

00:03:05.060 let's actually focus on the real things. Let's have some empathy towards other people. And let's

00:03:10.240 like serve each other, which is actually really nice to see. Yeah. This is what we should be doing

00:03:14.880 anyway. I know you hate to see it come up in a situation like this. Yeah. I was also going to

00:03:20.280 tell you, Kip, I like to see that you have a order of man approved apparel on today. Yep.

00:03:25.800 This is our Tuesday or Wednesday. What is it? Tuesday, as of the recording, I guess our Tuesday

00:03:30.660 uniform. So if you need some order of man merch, here you go. I've got some new hats being designed

00:03:36.020 right now that are coming out as well. Store.orderofman.com. Yes, sir.

00:03:41.140 I want to know you can look like us and you can join our morning full call when I roll out of bed

00:03:45.540 and say, Hey, Ryan, what are you wearing? That's right. We'll, we'll give you the number for that.

00:03:51.200 Just go ahead and flash your phone number across the stream in there, Kip, and let people call you.

00:03:54.620 And don't put my number. I know it's like April, April fools today. As of this release,

00:03:58.720 do not be putting my number out into the world or anything like that.

00:04:02.020 We should have, we should have planned something.

00:04:05.360 Maybe I do have something planned. I'm not going to tell you if I do,

00:04:08.660 you'll find out in the next 24 hours.

00:04:11.200 I'm the guy that goes halfway through April's fools. And I'm like, Oh yeah, that's right. I

00:04:15.440 forgot. Yeah. I'm not really good at being on top of that stuff.

00:04:18.940 Be prepared, gents. Cause somebody is going to try to get you today. So might be us,

00:04:22.540 might be somebody else. You just never know. Keep your guard up.

00:04:25.120 Yep. Yeah, totally. Um, ironically enough, our first question or first group of questions come

00:04:30.720 from the iron council, which we talked about earlier, uh, to learn more about that, go to

00:04:34.680 order of man.com slash iron council. And Marty Miller's first question was, we've kind of answered

00:04:40.380 a little bit, but let's maybe add a little to it. What do you see as positive outcomes of COVID-19?

00:04:46.660 Oh yeah. Well, I'm glad he asked that question for sure. I mean, it's just, it's the fact that,

00:04:51.540 that people are supportive and that people are helping each other and oops, hold on. I

00:04:56.420 hit the wrong button here. Okay. There we go. Uh, people are helping each other. People are stepping

00:05:01.320 up. Um, I I've seen a lot of men return to, uh, placing the emphasis and the value on their families

00:05:09.280 and making sure that they make their kids and their wife a priority. So, you know, it's times like

00:05:15.020 these that are priorities change. Uh, we start to recognize and realize how important, um,

00:05:24.400 some of these priorities are, some of these things that we've put off in the past. So I think having

00:05:28.880 a little bit of a wake-up call is good from that standpoint so that we can see what actually is

00:05:32.760 important and start placing our, our emphasis and our time and attention and resources on, on those,

00:05:37.920 those things that really are important. Totally. I think there's, and this may not be a applicable

00:05:42.760 to you as much, Ryan, you mentioned this earlier that you guys already homeschool your kids, but

00:05:46.760 I, I assume, or at least this is for us, that our involvement in our kids' education is

00:05:52.260 drastically increased where, um, you know, it wasn't, you know, you ship them off to school.

00:05:57.900 Now it's like, okay, you have these meet, like our kids are officially back in school remotely.

00:06:02.500 They have zoom meetings throughout the day. They have assignments, everything's online.

00:06:06.600 And so mom and dad's having to kind of step up and be more involved than we have been in the past.

00:06:11.300 So I think that's a good thing. And I think the other thing, and I don't want to downplay this

00:06:15.160 because I get that, you know, people are suffering or other people might listening may have had someone

00:06:21.460 already, you know, pass away, uh, you know what I mean? From this virus. So I don't want to downplay

00:06:25.680 that, but in the grand scheme of things, this is kind of a lightweight evaluation of how well

00:06:32.360 prepared we are. This could be substantially worse. And so I think that's another positive thing is

00:06:39.500 saying, okay, well, how, how well prepared are we for an outbreak of a virus like this? If it was

00:06:44.640 more dangerous, if all of us were considered at high risk, that would change everything, right?

00:06:51.820 If we were all at high risk, that would drastically change the game a little bit. And so I kind of like

00:06:56.460 the evaluation that this has brought to the table in regards to how prepared I am for such a thing,

00:07:02.560 if it were more serious.

00:07:03.800 That's a good point. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people won't do anything about it,

00:07:07.780 right? Because it doesn't affect them as, as harshly. Maybe they don't know anybody who's

00:07:12.740 been affected by coronavirus directly or, or passed away. Maybe they haven't lost their job.

00:07:18.560 And so I think a lot of these individuals will just continuing the default, the status quo,

00:07:25.140 and they won't do anything about it. So yeah, I like that point. Use this moment as an opportunity to,

00:07:30.680 to grow, to expand, to get better, to make yourself more capable, more prepared.

00:07:35.740 Don't let this, this moment pass you by without considering, are you, like you said, are you

00:07:41.620 prepared for this, for these types of situations and encounters and others that will inevitably rise

00:07:46.260 as well?

00:07:47.340 Yeah. Yeah, totally. All right. Next question. Jamie, uh, Janua, Janui. Nah, man, Jamie, I'm sorry.

00:07:54.960 Once you and your wife got back together after your separation, what do you think was the most

00:07:59.860 important aspect to focus on after taking care of yourself?

00:08:05.120 Uh, I think a lot of that begins to fall into play. I think it's by default, like the more you

00:08:11.760 take care of yourself, by taking care of yourself. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The more you take care of yourself,

00:08:15.280 the more capable you are of, of helping others. Um, so, you know, the biggest thing I think outside

00:08:20.760 of just improving your, your fitness and your nutrition and your planning and your goal setting and

00:08:25.520 your, uh, career aspirations and a hobby and having a skillset and all these other things

00:08:30.220 that you may be working on, which is again, how you improve yourself. That's essentially it's

00:08:34.360 physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. I mean, you look at those four key areas, right?

00:08:38.120 Physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. That's how you take care of yourself. Uh, outside

00:08:42.420 of that open communication is huge. And then just learning to trust again, that's actually

00:08:47.500 really hard is giving your, your, your spouse, the benefit of the doubt and just learning to trust

00:08:53.460 again. Now I will say, when I say that my wife and I had zero infidelity issues, that wasn't the

00:08:58.920 problem, but there was still some trust issues because she didn't trust me to respond correctly

00:09:04.720 or healthy or positively when she had something that she needed to address. And she was right in,

00:09:11.720 in feeling that way. Uh, I, I felt like I had some animosity towards her. I haven't talked about this

00:09:17.920 a whole lot, but I did have some animosity towards her in that for a long time, it was hard

00:09:23.360 for me to not forgive, but just to trust her enough that she wouldn't bail if things got

00:09:31.600 hard. And that's, that's how I, that's a lot of the way I took it. When we went through our

00:09:37.520 separation, I took it like commitment, your, you, your commitment to one another gets questioned

00:09:42.880 when you get separated. You're like, okay, wait a second. Like we were on the ledge of letting

00:09:47.820 this thing fall apart. So now it almost makes you a little gun shy. Oh, totally moving forward

00:09:53.640 of, you know, how strong really are we or how committed are we to this thing? Right? Yeah.

00:09:58.140 So I thought, you know, if we got into a disagreement or an argument that, you know,

00:10:02.720 she would leave or she would come to the conclusion that it was a bad idea to get back together. So that

00:10:07.120 was a very difficult thing for me. The only thing I can say is you just work through it with open

00:10:12.260 communication. You, you trust. And the question is, how do you develop more trust? You be more

00:10:17.720 trusting. I mean, I wish there was a better answer, but you just give them the benefit of the doubt and

00:10:23.180 you trust and you just let it ride. That's what you have to do. Cause you're never going to be

00:10:27.840 confirmed. It's never going to be confirmed to you that everything's okay. Right. Yeah. And,

00:10:31.540 and sometimes you may have valid reasons not to, but you almost have to do it. Yeah. I almost have to

00:10:40.040 do it anyway. I, if you don't mind me sharing, I, I went to a funeral this, this past weekend,

00:10:45.140 it was, um, uh, really one of my good friends from high school, his dad passed and his dad was

00:10:51.740 kind of, you know, we talk about this, you know, men, us leveling up in ways that, that we provide

00:10:57.280 that fatherhood and, you know, kind of some, uh, that example to young men that are surrounding.

00:11:03.460 And he was that way for me, uh, when I was in high school. And I remember, and you LDS guys listening

00:11:08.920 will make sense of this, but when I was 18, I was, uh, getting ready to get ordained an elder.

00:11:14.660 That kind of happens when we turn 18. And he asked me, he's like, Hey, who's going to,

00:11:19.240 who's going to ordain you? Uh, and he's like, is it, is it going to be your dad? And I, and I go,

00:11:24.780 my dad, he never goes to church. And, you know, he hasn't been spiritual and, and going to church for

00:11:31.120 a long time. And, and I kind of was kind of mean in about my dad in that moment of like, yeah, right.

00:11:36.940 Not him. Right. And, um, and Wayne Boucher was his name and, and Wayne says, you know what? Come

00:11:43.420 here. And he, and he hand me some scriptures and he says, read this passage. And I won't get into

00:11:49.160 the actual scripture itself, but in that passage, um, this young man, uh, had his father kind of give

00:11:57.480 up on him a little bit, like murmur and complain and whatever. And this young man knew what to do.

00:12:02.920 He got guidance and direction in regards to what to do. And when he got that guidance and direction,

00:12:07.840 he went back to his dad and asked his dad for spiritual guidance of how she, he should address

00:12:16.060 the situation. Despite the fact that the father was complaining and you know what I mean? It was

00:12:19.900 kind of quote unquote, not in the right state of mind. He went back to his dad and asked for guidance

00:12:23.980 and direction. And by doing so, it put perspective back on his father of like, Whoa, you know what?

00:12:29.960 It, it, it, it elevated him and inspired him to lead. And, and I think to your point, Ryan,

00:12:36.580 that that can happen in our relationships where, you know, maybe, maybe you're, maybe your wife has

00:12:42.500 no reason to trust you to preside, but by her going out on the limb and giving you that opportunity

00:12:48.860 that allows you to be elevate into that position and creates that opportunity for you to, to, to

00:12:54.860 take it on. Right. And, and do the right thing. And I think sometimes we just need to believe

00:12:59.240 in people a little bit, have a little bit of faith and, and, you know, show them some respect

00:13:05.360 and, and lack of judgment and, and give them the opportunities to, to elevate themselves.

00:13:10.780 Yeah. It's a great point. I think, I think, uh, giving another individual trust is actually

00:13:15.560 an element of leadership, right? So if you give somebody a task or assignment at work and you say,

00:13:21.340 here's your task, here's your assignment or project that I'd like you to fix or do or work on.

00:13:25.560 And they come to you and say, well, can you help me? And you, can you teach me all these things?

00:13:29.720 Can you show me exactly what needs to be done? And you say, no, I trust you to make a good decision.

00:13:32.880 I trust you to put together a plan and a process. And you let that person kind of tread water a

00:13:38.100 little bit, right. You know, kind of scramble around to get things figured out, uh, and, and

00:13:42.720 don't immediately throw them the life preserver and rescue themselves and, and rescue them for them.

00:13:47.800 Uh, they'll get strong, they'll develop, they'll, they'll get their feet under them and they'll

00:13:51.940 realize what it is they need to do. So stepping away and stepping back and just giving people some

00:13:57.600 credibility and some element of trust is actually a leadership principle, uh, that, that you can

00:14:03.240 apply in. It allows other people to step up and to lead and to grow and develop the way that they

00:14:07.740 need to. And, you know, specifically with the relationship with my wife and I, we both had room

00:14:12.540 to grow and develop. So I had to give her the space to do it. And she had to give me the space to do it.

00:14:17.300 And we do that by giving each other some, some mutual trust and credibility in, uh, in each

00:14:22.880 other. Cool. All right. There you go, Jamie Tyson junkers. What are some great ways to wake yourself

00:14:29.740 up and get out of bed early in the morning? My alarm wakes me up, but I, but recently I feel like

00:14:35.380 I just need a bucket of water dumped on me to get out of bed. I can't blast music or turn on the

00:14:40.080 lights since my wife is right next to me. If you do that, then you'll guarantee to get out of bed

00:14:44.620 cause you don't want to wake her up. So just, just have your music as loud as you can. And if

00:14:49.320 you don't get to it in five seconds, you're going to get scramble to the dresser. Yeah. That'll get

00:14:53.520 you up. No, you know, I saw this question and I get it. I don't really fall into this boat, but I do

00:14:59.240 get it. And I've been in this boat in the past of like not being able to get up. And I feel like I

00:15:04.520 have to drag myself out of bed and I'm not motivated for me. The biggest reason why is because I had no

00:15:13.220 plan the next day or the day before you mean that, that day, that morning, right? Yeah. So if I have

00:15:19.760 to, if, if, you know, today we're recording this on Tuesday, so I wake up tomorrow morning, if I don't

00:15:24.580 have a plan right now already in place for Wednesday morning, then it's going to be harder for me to

00:15:30.740 get out of bed. Yeah. So that tells me I need to plan and be excited about everything I'm doing, which

00:15:35.920 is why I use my battle planner. I go through every single day and I plan out my day, but actually it

00:15:41.680 starts the night before. And I've talked about this before it starts the night before when I

00:15:46.380 finish my day, I go through and I start writing down next day's workload, next day's tasks and

00:15:53.380 assignments and the things that I need to do. So that way, when I get out of bed, I know, Hey, I've

00:15:58.140 already got things to do. Like there's no guesswork about what needs to be done. I'm excited. I'm

00:16:02.640 motivated. I am ambitious about what's going to happen. My workouts are already planned. My clothes

00:16:07.420 are already laid out. Everything is done the night before. So there's no guesswork about

00:16:11.960 what's going to happen that next morning. Cause look, if you don't have a plan and you don't

00:16:16.220 have things that need to get done, you're going to sleep in because you have no reason to get

00:16:21.900 up. I mean, I'll just do it later. Yeah, exactly. So I would suggest that you really start planning

00:16:28.340 your day out the night before and have your workouts done, your clothes laid out, your, your

00:16:33.940 actions that you need to get done, have the meeting notes ready for whatever meetings come

00:16:37.520 up, have everything blocked out the way that it needs to be blocked out and organized. And look,

00:16:42.320 and if you're doing that and you're still not motivated to get about getting out of bed,

00:16:45.680 then you've got to find some meaning and significance in the work you're currently doing.

00:16:50.100 Maybe that ties back into your vision. Yeah. Maybe it ties into some, some major objectives

00:16:55.320 that you want to accomplish. So you tie it back into that. And if you're still not feeling it,

00:16:59.200 then I think you really ought to question the direction of your life. I went downstairs this

00:17:03.180 morning and I, I watched a, uh, a little cartoon. It was a little short cartoon on Disney plus with

00:17:09.020 my kids. And it was called, I think it was called inner workings or something like that.

00:17:13.480 Actually go, go, go watch it. I think it's called inner workings, inner workings. Yeah. And it's this

00:17:18.320 guy and it's a cartoon, cartoon. It's a cartoon. Yeah. It's actually really good. It's like five

00:17:23.620 minutes. And it's this guy who is in this like row of cubicles and he's sitting at a desk and he

00:17:30.580 punches in and he's a little robot drone, like with everybody else, he looks the same.

00:17:35.340 And then it actually shows his mind and his heart and his stomach and how they like want him to get

00:17:40.500 out of this situation. And anyways, he starts listening to his heart and listening to his mind.

00:17:45.860 And then he finds meaning and purpose in his work. And then he goes back into the same work

00:17:49.920 environment, but he influences everybody else to think about it differently and to approach it

00:17:54.140 differently. It's a good little, it's a good little short clip. Uh, and I think that's right.

00:17:59.480 You know, you got to find meaning and significance in the work that you're doing. And if you do,

00:18:03.160 I don't think you're going to have a hard time getting out of bed because there are certain

00:18:06.260 things that you don't have a hard time getting out of bed for, right? Like if you're excited about

00:18:10.300 the next day, because you have a project or a task or a vacation or whatever, you don't have to be

00:18:16.880 convinced to get out of bed. Yeah. You don't even have to set your alarm. So what does that tell you?

00:18:22.720 It tells you that maybe you're just not as excited about life as, as you could be, if you put some more

00:18:28.040 emphasis on it. Hmm. I like any, any little tips other than that, like a little strategies or

00:18:35.120 anything like that, or cause you mentioned these, some of these things before, like put the alarm

00:18:40.180 clock neck, not right. Not, uh, Oh yeah, you can put it on the bed. Yeah. I mean, those just the

00:18:47.040 basics that everybody knows, like put it away from you. So you actually have to get out of bed.

00:18:51.480 Um, yeah, we've had a, I was going to say Jocko's got a great little app that you can use for your

00:18:59.400 alarm, for your alarm tone. That's pretty scary, scary actually. So use that, whatever you guys

00:19:07.260 all know the little tips and tricks, but I think the bigger problem is not the tips and tricks.

00:19:11.620 It's the underlying like root cause of, of the issue. Yeah. Well, and I think one thing that we

00:19:16.880 get in the iron council and Tyson's, uh, in the IC, um, use your team a little bit to create some

00:19:23.140 accountability there to, to help each other out. It changes things when that's on your battle plan

00:19:27.840 and your battle plan is up by five 30 and you're reporting back to your team and having accountability

00:19:33.100 of whether you're getting up at five 30, that kind of comes into play. And I've even seen some guys

00:19:38.560 call each other at five 35. So if your ringer's on and you're still in bed, you're going to wake your

00:19:45.220 wife up. So you better get up and get into the living room or somewhere else in the house. So

00:19:49.540 you can take that phone call, you know, and, and validate that, uh, that you're up and going.

00:19:54.420 So use your team too. That's one of the benefits of, of being in the iron council.

00:19:59.240 Well, and another thing on that level of accountability is there's a guy I haven't

00:20:02.860 been over the past two and a half weeks now, uh, training jujitsu, unfortunately, but I trained

00:20:07.160 with Brody Cousineau and we, we were going every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday morning.

00:20:12.260 And we were to be at the gym at six o'clock. Like that's accountability. Cause it was only me and

00:20:18.920 him. So if I didn't show up, he was by himself. If he didn't show up, I was by myself. So that

00:20:24.720 level of accountability, no. And plus I liked jujitsu, but even if I didn't, that level of

00:20:29.900 accountability was, was crucial in making sure that one more you don't want to go. You're like,

00:20:35.100 I can't leave him high and dry. He's sitting at the gym waiting for me.

00:20:37.900 And I remember, I remember like texting, you know, like, Hey, are you still going to the gym

00:20:43.180 or whatever? And hoping that he would say, no, I can't because of whatever. And he's like, yep,

00:20:47.380 I'm on my way right now. I'm like, crap. But that added level of accountability is huge. So

00:20:53.020 it's good. It's good for both of you. And it levels up both parties, right?

00:20:57.580 Yeah, totally.

00:20:59.040 Justin King. I work as a retail manager in a grocery store. I run a team of 19 individuals.

00:21:04.860 Do you have any tips to help maintain a positive and productive environment when your team is

00:21:09.820 beginning to fatigue and show signs of faltering in the face of COVID-19 issue?

00:21:16.160 Yeah. I thought a lot about this, this question. I've thought a lot about just inspiring and

00:21:20.100 motivating people in general. And I've families, families, even, even members of the iron council

00:21:25.700 specifically, you know, a lot of guys have downtime, like how can we be more involved and get them

00:21:29.380 more engaged, uh, give people responsibility. I've found that that's the best thing that you can do.

00:21:34.180 The more responsibility you can give to other people and get them included in the process.

00:21:38.600 Cause look, here's what you've probably been doing to some degree, their employees. So they're

00:21:42.740 just following orders. That's all they're doing. They're carrying out orders for the most part.

00:21:46.920 You know, some people are going to be more motivated or more bought into the process,

00:21:50.140 but for the most part, they're just carrying out orders, which is good. I mean, that serves its

00:21:55.460 purpose and you have to have those types of employees, but I'm kind of wondering if you,

00:22:00.360 because we've done this in the iron council and I'll explain a couple little strategies that you

00:22:04.580 can use. Uh, if you can involve them in the process of growth, you can give somebody a

00:22:10.040 responsibility. Maybe it's a new segment of the grocery store. Like, Hey, you have the deli. We

00:22:14.700 need to rearrange some things. Even if you don't need to rearrange something, maybe you just rearrange

00:22:20.880 it just to reinvigorate the, the, the staff and the crew. And you, and you use this opportunity to

00:22:27.200 look, there's no better time than right now to experiment and test new things in a grocery store

00:22:31.980 or other, other, uh, situations or work environments that you may be in because the risk is low. I mean,

00:22:37.980 sales are down. People who are coming in are down. You're not going to lose a bunch of money because

00:22:42.080 you experiment. Like people have to go in the, the demand is high. The supply is low. Like this is a

00:22:48.040 great time to actually experiment. And if you could maybe take somebody who's been with you for a long

00:22:52.560 time, uh, maybe they've exhibited some sort of leadership capacity or skillset, and you could give

00:22:57.940 them some assignments that you let them figure it out. Hey, we need to do something with a deli. Can

00:23:03.980 you figure this out and maybe rearrange or take care of some things, man, that's going to reinvigorate

00:23:08.060 that, that individual. They're going to be excited about it. Uh, the quote, and this seems related to

00:23:13.520 the comment earlier, but there's a quote. It's a, one of the, uh, I'm going to slaughter it, but the

00:23:18.020 quote goes something to the extent of, if you want to change someone's behavior, change their

00:23:21.940 position. I think that's kind of tied to this is give them responsibility, which kind of goes back

00:23:26.980 to the question about you and your wife is like, shows, uh, show some trust, believe in them,

00:23:32.760 give them an opportunity to prove themselves. Like, yeah, that's one of the best ways to elevate.

00:23:37.260 I interrupted you. I'm sorry. No, you're good. It also goes back to the getting out of bed thing.

00:23:40.660 You know, like if they know they have to go into work and it's boring and monotonous and they're just

00:23:44.520 carrying out orders, like they're not going to be excited about that. You wouldn't be excited about that.

00:23:48.260 So find a way to get them involved. Maybe there's some competitions that you can run

00:23:51.820 amongst each other. Look, I know this sounds silly. I really do. I get it, but I'm telling

00:23:57.660 you something like this might work, set up some sort of obstacle course in your grocery store

00:24:03.460 or like a relay race and put, put, you know, split up your crew in half and say, all right,

00:24:10.000 this half, you know, you're going to run the course first and you have to find these groceries.

00:24:14.200 Here's your list and you find them and you got to navigate the store this way. And we're going to

00:24:18.260 record your time. And there's, we're going to run in two man teams. Yeah. And like, that sounds

00:24:23.500 silly, but that's awesome, man. That's totally fun. Right. One thing that we did that I've been

00:24:29.380 doing in the iron council is just putting out a couple of polls inside of our, uh, the foundry,

00:24:34.300 which is the platform we use, just putting out a couple of polls because I like the feedback.

00:24:38.600 It's good for me, but then also people are engaging, right? They're able to give their

00:24:43.360 feedback, give some input, share some comments and thoughts about their experience and, and

00:24:48.080 little things like that are helpful. So I would, I would do some sort of a competition. I would

00:24:53.400 give people responsibility and then I'd find a way to get, to get people engaged.

00:24:58.000 Totally. Yeah. And for you companies that are remote and everyone's like maybe feeling like

00:25:02.080 they're disconnected because they're not, their teams aren't used to working remote, even doing

00:25:06.200 silly surveys like, okay, let's see everyone's workspace. Take it, take a snapshot of your

00:25:12.880 workspace today. Right. And people get creative and funny. Like we did this, did this a few days

00:25:17.660 ago and one guy takes a picture and his laptop's on a stack of toilet paper. Right. And then

00:25:23.800 everyone's like, Hey, what's your address? And you're, everyone's just kind of joking around

00:25:27.600 because they want to go rob his house for toilet paper. And then even silly things like childhood

00:25:32.880 favorite toy, you know, and share in pictures only, you know, so there's, there's lots of

00:25:37.380 little fun scenarios. One thing that came to mind and this is a quote that I, um, I was reading the

00:25:42.600 other day and I think it's related to kind of Justin's question. I wrote it down here and it's

00:25:46.320 by Seneca and it says, we are more often frightened than hurt. And we suffer more, uh, more in

00:25:52.600 imagination than reality. And so, and I, and I think we could look at our, our, uh, faltering

00:25:59.420 employees as is why are they truly affected? Or is this more like perception and imagination

00:26:06.500 and, you know, and just kind of all the noise around things. And maybe sometimes we just need

00:26:12.100 to be focusing on the right thing. And that is the silver lining or the opportunities that

00:26:16.720 are placed before us, whether it's, Hey, now let's revamp this door and do things that we've

00:26:21.040 never been able to do. Why? Because we're slow. Like let's take advantage of the moment. Let's not

00:26:25.760 focus on what's outside of our control. Yeah, for sure. Luke Watts, what is the most challenging

00:26:33.420 quadrant of your battle plans this quarter? Why was it important to keep pushing in this area with

00:26:39.680 all the changes we currently face at home and at work challenges like no work homeschooling,

00:26:44.980 because schools are shut down, isolation from kids and friends and family.

00:26:51.040 So what is the most challenging aspect of my battle plan?

00:26:53.980 Yeah. What, what quadrant is the most challenging for you in this quarter and why focus on it?

00:26:59.600 Why focus on that thing?

00:27:01.320 Yeah. I mean, my, my, I've got to pulled up here right now. My battle plan is very practical

00:27:09.440 and pragmatic this quarter. So for example, my calibration objective is to complete our barn build

00:27:17.960 out. I've got a demolition, some areas. I've got to rebuild a couple of things. We've got to build

00:27:22.120 some banisters and some railing, um, that, that could spill over into the business side of things

00:27:27.540 as well. But I do this because it helps me stay grounded and it helps me to, uh, focus on just

00:27:34.100 that. So it focuses my attention. I just enjoy figuring these things out. So that's my calibration

00:27:39.200 objective. And I also have, it's not written down here, but also the objective to complete,

00:27:45.360 in addition to the barn build out is finish and finalize, uh, my, my gym, my, my training and

00:27:50.980 workout gym. So that's my calibration objective. My connection objective is to, uh, have on and be

00:28:00.560 on six high caliber podcasts. So I will go on six highly influential, high, high caliber podcasts. I

00:28:08.180 will have six high caliber guests on my podcast in the next 12 weeks. And I have some, some, uh,

00:28:14.140 some benchmarks for what that actually looks like. So that it just to clarify the AMAs with me don't

00:28:19.440 count guys. He's, he's looking for something a little bit more, you know, grand. Exactly. Cause

00:28:24.280 you know, these are like, these are like, eh, you know, so I'm past that. So we need to continue to

00:28:30.260 level up. Um, my condition objective, 15% body fat. And then my contribution objective is to launch our

00:28:38.100 achievements and advance an initiative inside of the iron council. So everything this week or this month,

00:28:43.880 excuse me, this quarter is very, very pragmatic. Uh, I don't think that there's one more challenging

00:28:51.240 than the other. All of them are going to require a lot of time, a lot of tension, a lot of discipline

00:28:56.720 structure. And I'm doing, I'm working on each one of these every single day. You know, for example,

00:29:03.360 my, my barn build out in the gym is an hour per day. And my connection objective is to make three

00:29:11.420 daily invites and three daily requests for podcast guests condition is to do one hour of daily

00:29:17.440 exercise. And then my contribution objective to launch the initiative is to work on it at least

00:29:22.700 30 to 45 minutes per day. So it's, it's pretty intensive what I want to do and what I want to

00:29:29.380 accomplish over the next, over the next, uh, quarter. Yeah. Was there a follow-up question to it or

00:29:34.820 no, just maybe if there's one that was more challenging, which you answered that there are

00:29:39.520 kind of, you're maintaining that balance. I will say that most people in my experience struggle

00:29:45.200 with the calibration objective. So the con, the connection elusive one sometimes it is. Yeah.

00:29:51.500 Because if you look at, for example, if you look at connection objective, it's, it's easy to quantify,

00:29:57.920 okay, I need, I got to fix or work on this relationship. Right. So that's, it's quantifiable

00:30:02.920 condition, physical health. Everybody always has physical health goals. That's, that's, it's not,

00:30:08.400 it's, it's simple, right? It's not like easy to actually complete. Otherwise you would have to

00:30:11.840 define. It's easy to define. Correct. Yeah. And then your contribution objective, becoming a man of

00:30:17.220 value, consent around money or earning a new credential or designation, developing a new skill,

00:30:22.980 very tangible, but calibration, which is mental, emotional, and spiritual health.

00:30:28.040 It's elusive, right? Like you said, I like that word. It's very elusive. It's hard to quantify.

00:30:32.080 It's hard to like pin down. And so men really, really struggle in that area. And I'm noticing

00:30:38.240 too, because I've asked these guys to share with us their battle plans is that what a lot of people

00:30:43.840 will do is they'll share their tactics and think that that's an objective. For example,

00:30:49.100 let's take the 15% body fat objective. The primary tactic is one hour of daily exercise.

00:30:56.820 Okay. So what a lot of people will do is they'll put one hour of daily exercise as their objective.

00:31:02.080 That's not the objective. The objective is to beat a 15% body fat or to run a marathon or to

00:31:09.560 lift X amount of weight. The way, the tactic, the way you go about doing it is, is, is the tactic is

00:31:18.240 the thing that you're doing on a daily basis in order to accomplish whatever it is you're after.

00:31:22.520 So you actually, you have to build this the right way. And you actually have to have something that

00:31:26.660 you're striving for, but how do you, how do you quantify? I want to be more mindful.

00:31:32.840 I know that's great. Like, I think that's a good, a good thing to consider, but like,

00:31:37.760 what specifically does that mean? Maybe that means that you take a course or you complete a course on

00:31:45.840 a certain type of, of meditation, or you're going to complete the Bible, right? And this quarter,

00:31:53.780 my goal is to finish the Bible. Okay. Well, what do you need to do in order for that to happen?

00:31:57.580 Then, then you start working backwards. I need to read 20 pages a day or whatever it comes out to.

00:32:02.360 So you have to have this objective and then you have the tactics that allow you to get to that point.

00:32:07.860 So spend some time on that calibration objective. Cause that's where most people,

00:32:13.440 most men struggle. Yeah. I, I actually, one of my quadrants I would say is more challenging

00:32:19.220 this quarter for sure. And it's on contribution. I'm assuming that our economy is going to take a

00:32:25.220 dump and I'm going to be affected by it. And we'll probably be from, from a company perspective.

00:32:30.920 And so I'm actually taking the objective to actually increase revenues. And, and I purposely

00:32:38.400 chose that as my objective primarily because, um, it kind of goes back to what's the quote by

00:32:45.860 Viktor Frankl, where it's like, when you no longer can change your circumstance, you're forced to

00:32:50.960 change yourself. And, and I'm seeing this as an opportunity, opportune time to say, Hey,

00:32:56.520 let's pivot. Let's adjust. Let's figure out how do we ensure that we are somewhat recession proof.

00:33:05.020 Maybe it's the different types of projects that we focus on or the different type of clients that

00:33:09.200 we focus on, or do we do some internal, uh, IP development for a given product and you know

00:33:15.980 what I mean? And those kinds of things. And so I'm, I'm intentionally focused on that contribution

00:33:20.600 with the idea that I know this is going to be harder probably in this quarter than it has been

00:33:25.640 in the past. And so, uh, that's, that's one area I'm focusing on. That's great. I mean,

00:33:29.880 it's good to be aware of what could possibly come up over the next 12 weeks as well. So you can create

00:33:33.960 the battle plan that's going to work for you. Yeah. Yeah. Just make sure on that, and I, I'm sure

00:33:40.000 you've already done this, but just to reiterate and, and let the guys know who are listening is

00:33:44.560 increased revenue is a worthy goal, but it's not, it's not as powerful as it could be as if it was

00:33:51.980 increased revenue by 30% each month. Yeah. Right. And I'm sure you've done that. So I just want to

00:33:59.840 make sure that it would be like saying, well, I want to be healthy. Yeah. Okay. What does healthy

00:34:04.320 mean? And then the problem with even that let's take the healthy aspect. Well, healthy means eating

00:34:09.780 the right food and being this percent body fat and being able to do this many pull-ups and being able

00:34:13.440 to deadlift this amount and run this fast. And there's like a thousand things that you can choose

00:34:17.920 that would quantify being healthy. Great. Pick one, one, pick one and focus on that one. And by the way,

00:34:28.240 if you get faster, let's say you just, you want to get fat, you want to run a marathon. So you get

00:34:33.220 faster, you get your legs stronger for running. You build up your cardio. That's going to help you

00:34:37.840 get better at pull-ups. That's going to help you lose weight. That's going to help you all these

00:34:40.840 other things as well, but pick one to focus on and get very, very specific. Don't say you want to make

00:34:46.140 more money, say exactly how much money you want to make. Don't say you want to lose weight or be

00:34:50.420 healthy. Say exactly how much weight you want to lose or what body fat percentage you want to be.

00:34:55.220 Right. So the more crystallized you can be, the better off it's going to be for you.

00:34:59.360 And the other tip I'd add in, and we do this in the Iron Council is we have these dates and I don't

00:35:05.580 know if they're milestones, I think is the exact verbiage that we use. Checkpoints. Yeah. Checkpoints.

00:35:10.980 Jeez. Come on, man. So four weeks in. Take that shirt off. I know. Put a different shirt on

00:35:15.120 until you earn that order of men shirt back. Checkpoints, not goals, objectives, not tasks,

00:35:22.520 tactics, checkpoints, not, not milestones. All right. So, so checkpoints, um, we, we have two in

00:35:30.260 the, in the 12 week period. So four weeks in, are you projecting the right direction to achieve 15%

00:35:38.240 body fat? If not, we pivot and we adjust, you know, and, and that's the benefit of those checkpoints.

00:35:43.400 So then that way we are ensuring we're doing the things that are effective enough to get us to those

00:35:48.180 objectives. Did you, uh, did you see the video that I posted yesterday about adjusting

00:35:52.300 the fire? I keep forgetting to follow you on, on Instagram. It's not on Instagram. It's in the

00:35:59.080 foundry in the Iron Council. I didn't see it. What did you go watch? Go watch the yesterday at

00:36:04.500 sometime, maybe midday. Go watch it. It's called a just fire. A just fire. Yeah. And I'll probably

00:36:10.140 record it and make it available to the public. Cause it's, it's really important. So in the military,

00:36:14.800 I was in an artillery unit and long story short, our job was to ensure that if we got a call for

00:36:21.080 enemy movement or enemy positions that we got the guns pointed in the right direction,

00:36:25.780 we got them firing the right ammunition, et cetera, et cetera. Right. The right charges,

00:36:30.160 all that stuff. And occasionally we would, we would miss a target, right? As an artillery unit,

00:36:35.500 we would miss the target. And, and I, and you think about, okay, well, why, why would you miss the

00:36:39.300 target? Well, there's really three reasons that, that you could miss the target. Number one,

00:36:43.920 you have bad intel, right? The forward observers called something in. It wasn't accurate. Uh, and,

00:36:49.400 and therefore we, we missed the target. We didn't accomplish the mission. That's number one. Uh,

00:36:54.560 number two, the target moved at the target moved it. The enemy position was right there. They were

00:37:00.540 in a convoy. They moved over here and therefore we were too late, too slow, whatever the enemy moved

00:37:04.320 and we missed. The third one is operator error. So we got the right information. We got good intel

00:37:11.220 enemy's still there. We input it in wrong. We did something wrong. We, we passed down the wrong

00:37:16.520 information. Somebody pulled the wrong charge, whatever. And therefore we missed because

00:37:21.260 operator error. This is the same with, with life and your battle plan. It's one of those three

00:37:26.420 things. When you're doing a battle plan, it's if you miss, it's because bad intel, you didn't have

00:37:31.240 all the facts at hand. And that's your fault, by the way, it's nobody else's fault. Yes. You,

00:37:35.800 you need, and maybe if it's maybe not your fault, it's your responsibility. Yeah. You should say

00:37:40.400 that way. Research necessary. Exactly. Confirm. Yeah. Right. So if there's bad intel, that's

00:37:44.420 your responsibility. So talk with coaches, talk with mentors, get all the information that you

00:37:48.820 can to make sure you hit your objective. If the target moved, welcome to life, right? Priorities

00:37:55.460 change, things change. Coronavirus, a global pandemic pops up and the target moves. And now you need to

00:38:01.820 pivot, adjust, adjust, fire, right? The third component operator error. You know, maybe you said you

00:38:08.280 were going to do this every single day, but you only completed that 60% of the time. That's your

00:38:11.660 fault. That's operator error. You messed up. That's why you didn't hit your objective. You got to track

00:38:15.920 this stuff. Then what we would do is in artillery unit, if we, if we missed a target, the every

00:38:23.820 occasionally, then, then the forward observer would call in and say, okay, well, we need to adjust fire.

00:38:27.560 Here's your new coordinates, or here's your new information that you need. And we would call an adjust

00:38:31.500 fire. So we would, we would call to the guns and the guns would take the previous information and we

00:38:36.920 weren't giving them a bunch of new information. We were just giving them the changes. So take what

00:38:41.100 you have and adjust fire to what you currently have. It's a quicker way of doing it, right?

00:38:47.020 It's the same thing with the battle plan. When you come up short operator error, bad Intel,

00:38:53.360 uh, targets moved. You've got a pivot. You've got to adjust fire. You've got to change. And then you

00:38:59.600 got to fire again. So this is the power of having these checkpoints in place. Cause now you observe,

00:39:05.980 okay. I was supposed to be right now at 16% body fat and I'm at 19. So what's going on?

00:39:12.120 Operator Intel, bad operator error, bad Intel or, uh, enemy or target moved. Right. And then you

00:39:18.940 adjust fire from there and then you correct it and you get better moving forward.

00:39:22.780 How would you guys catch operator air? Would, would they call in and say, reshoot confirmed position or

00:39:29.020 recalculate or, you know what I'm saying? We would say so just assume. Yeah.

00:39:33.600 Yeah. If it, so the forward observer would call it and say, Hey, you're long, right? Like you missed

00:39:40.260 by this many, this many clicks, right? Or, or whatever, right? You're long. Here's where it

00:39:44.660 fought. Here's where it landed. So we didn't say, Oh, okay, well let's take this information and fire

00:39:49.320 again. Yeah. So we'd, we'd, we'd fire again. And then the forward observer would call in. This is

00:39:54.780 akin to the after action review. Yeah. Right. Did you, did you hit the target? Nope. Okay. Well,

00:40:01.520 what do we need to do? Did we get good Intel? Did we mess up on our end? Did the position move?

00:40:06.900 And you find all of that stuff out through the after action review.

00:40:12.100 Love it. This is why it's called a battle plan. Cause it actually works in battle.

00:40:16.820 Jeff, uh, Bowman. I'm prepared well to survive during this crisis. When something like this happens

00:40:23.720 again, what are some ideas do, uh, ideas to not just survive, but to take advantage in a positive

00:40:30.480 way and thrive during a crisis, double down on everything, right? So if financially you're all

00:40:37.180 set and you're taken care of, you can survive, then double down so that you can thrive and that you can

00:40:42.160 serve and that you can, uh, give back to, to organizations and you can pay for other people's

00:40:49.100 supplies that they may need, or they need, might need help with. Uh, if it's, if it comes to your

00:40:55.560 career, like, okay, well you can get by cause you can do it digitally, but are there other,

00:41:00.940 other products that you can introduce? Are there, uh, new ways of looking at your business and your

00:41:07.580 growth? We've got a guy in the iron councils names, Nick Farr, uh, and some other guys as well

00:41:12.040 who are moving their head in next case, his church organization online. Like how do we make this

00:41:18.120 digital? Because he's got to adjust now, right? He's used to meeting in the congregation, face-to-face

00:41:22.320 person to person. It's not available, right? So he's adjusting and he's fixing it. And now he's doing

00:41:26.880 it digitally. So look at your resources, look at your provisions and look for opportunities to serve

00:41:32.220 outside of you. That would go to your family. And then outside of that, which would be your neighborhood

00:41:36.900 outside of that community, outside of that state. And so on, uh, you just keep doubling down on

00:41:41.420 these and keep putting yourself in a better position. Uh, also look for, uh, situations that

00:41:48.100 may come up, uh, that would, uh, that would derail you if something were to come up. So you're trying

00:41:54.920 to really anticipate what could go well, what could, what could go wrong? What, if this is going to go

00:42:00.760 wrong, then what do I need to do to fix it ahead of time? These are all ways to, to put yourself in a

00:42:05.940 better position. And then you look at it, like, look at your current provisions. You're like, oh man,

00:42:09.820 I wish I had fill in the blank. Well, shore that up right now. So that way, if we come across this

00:42:16.680 or anything else in the future, you'll be better equipped and, and better able to serve.

00:42:22.000 I think a perfect example of this is, is what origin's doing right now in regards to pivoting

00:42:26.520 and providing and creating another product. One, it's good for them from a business perspective,

00:42:32.060 but they're also providing value and a service, uh, to those that, that need a particular product

00:42:38.820 that was never on their radar from, from producing. Yeah. Three, three weeks ago, maybe

00:42:43.780 even two weeks ago, this wasn't even a twinkle in their eye. You know what I mean? Like they

00:42:49.260 weren't, they weren't thinking about this, but Pete's a visionary and he has the ability

00:42:53.380 to pivot quickly and he's got the means and resources and availability to do it. And he

00:42:57.600 pulled out old sewing machines that he had stored that he wasn't using. And they shut down

00:43:01.540 a couple of lines. They added a couple of new things. And I saw the way that they were

00:43:05.460 timing out their, their runs and how they could speed them up. And they went from making the first

00:43:10.100 day, 700 masks to, I want to say over 3000 a day now. So it's pretty incredible. Talk about adjusting

00:43:18.740 fire. Yeah. Super cool. Yeah. Dennis Morris, what are your thoughts on the free money the government

00:43:25.540 is sending to most U S to most of the U S population? I've heard some impassionate views on either side

00:43:32.080 outside of politics. What are some wise ways to make that money work for you?

00:43:37.520 So an opinion about it first, and then it's not free of it. It's just, it's been paid for

00:43:44.080 and it has to be paid back in certain circumstances. I believe, I don't know all the ramifications,

00:43:49.660 but based on what I do know, it's a 0% loan essentially is what it is. So it's not free money.

00:43:56.140 It's just, it's a 0% loan on our own money. Yeah. Which is weird. It's not weird. It's just

00:44:03.180 corrupt. It's a Ponzi scheme. Um, look, I mean, it's $1,200, right? And I think if I understand

00:44:09.560 correctly up to $75,000, uh, you get that if at $75,000, it starts phasing out at 99, I believe

00:44:18.620 thousand dollars, it's not even available to you. So I mean, I don't want to, like, I'm not going to

00:44:25.700 receive any money. All right. So, but I don't want to assume that just because I'm in that position

00:44:30.860 that other people that it won't help other people. But yeah, I mean, that's a mortgage payment,

00:44:35.160 right? $1,200 is your mortgage payment. So, okay. So they paid your mortgage for a month.

00:44:43.200 Now what, like, how do you put food on the table and how do you make your car payment? And how do

00:44:49.160 you like all the other expenses? How do you keep your house warm? These are other considerations.

00:44:54.700 And by the way, I'm not saying, so give people more money. I'm just saying, this is not a permanent

00:45:00.120 solution. And it's, it's gonna, it's not going to be very long before the government wants to,

00:45:06.100 to do another two or three or $4 trillion quote unquote stimulus package.

00:45:13.200 Is this is not a solution. I don't think it's even intended to be, but it's a, it's a dangerous

00:45:19.480 proposition. If you really wanted to help people just stop taxing them so much, be more efficient

00:45:27.060 with government spending. Uh, realize that it is not your money. Realize that you're at the service of

00:45:34.800 the population, not your own pocketbook, which a lot of these lawmakers, senators, congressmen are doing,

00:45:41.940 you know, they're, they're engaged in insider trading at the expense of those who don't have

00:45:47.140 access to the same information. Uh, they're, they're manipulating the stock markets and then

00:45:52.220 they're taking advantage of the manipulations that they themselves created. This is complete

00:45:56.080 bullshit. And, uh, it's dangerous. Like we're in a very dangerous time economically. So I, I mean,

00:46:05.560 what's the solution. I don't know what the solution is, but I know that giving somebody a thousand

00:46:11.340 dollars is not going to do anything at all. Yeah. So this is a, this isn't a reason why guys,

00:46:20.400 we need to be financially solvent. Like we, we need to make sure our money's in order. We need to have

00:46:27.160 savings. We need to have investments. We need to have cash on hand. We can't be up to our eyeballs

00:46:30.760 and debt because when things like this happen and they will, this is not going to be the last time

00:46:34.660 this happens. You're going to, you're going to be okay. You're not going to be stressed out. You're

00:46:39.620 going to be able to lead effectively. You're going to be able to take some downtime away from work or

00:46:43.000 pivot or have the means to be able to start a new organization or a company. This is why we do it.

00:46:47.920 Yeah. So I, I, I don't agree with it and I would like to see a plan or at least a timeline for what

00:46:59.460 we plan on doing to reopen the economy and start boosting these things up. I think it'd be better.

00:47:05.200 And I know there was some money that went to, to businesses and some people have argued against

00:47:09.500 that. I mean, businesses are run by people. Businesses have employees. People have jobs when

00:47:15.460 a company runs. Yeah. So it's good. It's a good thing. I don't think that we should prop a bunch

00:47:20.680 of companies up. You know, I think this is a great moment to experience some pain and then learn from

00:47:25.540 it. But if we aren't willing to experience the consequence of, of the pain, then we're just going

00:47:31.040 to fall into the same trap again. And when this thing is all over, it's going to be even worse the

00:47:35.320 next time around. So stop giving money, especially like, why are we giving billions and billions of

00:47:42.120 dollars to, uh, to, uh, illegal immigrants, to other organizations that have nothing to do with

00:47:51.500 propping up and boosting up the economy? Like the, like the, like the, uh, Kennedy center or something

00:47:58.200 like that, or the, like the, uh, Institute for fine arts. I'm like, what are we doing here? Like,

00:48:02.520 why are we doing this? It's, it's ridiculous. It's dangerous. This is why it's so important. You know,

00:48:08.380 that book sovereignty is actually pretty timely. When I talk about sovereignty, I'm also talking

00:48:12.960 about financial sovereignty, like being, not being enslaved to financial institutions or having to

00:48:19.980 pay back government loans. Like the stuff's ridiculous. It's very, very dangerous.

00:48:25.800 Well, and there's not an opportunity here for us to learn and pivot and grow. You know,

00:48:29.580 we talked about origin earlier. Like if, if money just got thrown at them, then they wouldn't have

00:48:34.560 been forced to kind of go, Hey, let's innovate. Let's provide a different service. Like that's

00:48:39.220 what we should be doing is okay. We're inefficient. We probably spend too much money on things. Let's

00:48:44.140 cut our budgets. Let's become more efficient. And let's maybe look at a different market or how do

00:48:49.380 we pivot as a company? So then that we're not greatly affected, you know, by this particular

00:48:54.780 circumstance. And what I find interesting, what kind of gets me riled up, I made a post on this on

00:48:59.900 Facebook like a few days ago. It was like far too often. I'm seeing way too many posts of like,

00:49:07.200 Hey, what episodes on Netflix are you guys watching? And what, you know, it's like, I don't have a job

00:49:11.780 right now. So I'm binging on Netflix. It's like, what the hell are you doing? Right? Like if you don't

00:49:17.240 have a job right now, guess what? You may not have a job next month or the month after that. So what you

00:49:23.120 should be doing is figuring out how you're going to get a job, right? Whether it's you starting a side

00:49:27.320 hustle of some sort, getting a new skillset, uh, you know, trued up in, in, in, I don't know,

00:49:33.540 learning or whatever you need to do. That's what you should be focusing on. Yeah. Not, not taking a

00:49:39.000 break and saying, Oh, well, you know, and then waiting for this, this check to come into the mail

00:49:43.120 so you can pay your mortgage. Like, no, you should figure out how to pay your mortgage way before that

00:49:47.400 check ever shows up. And you shouldn't even need a check for that. Right. Yeah. I agree.

00:49:52.360 Dude. Come on guys. All right. No, it's, this is why this work is so important. I mean,

00:49:58.880 we've been talking about it for five years and too many people have done nothing over the past

00:50:03.960 five years. They listen to the podcast and they send me messages and like, bro, I really love your

00:50:08.580 podcast and all the things that you talk about. It's really cool. And then it's like, these are the

00:50:13.240 guys who are struggling right now because they never changed or implemented anything that we ever

00:50:17.700 talked about over the past five years to improve their lives. Now they're like, Oh man,

00:50:21.760 I wish I would have done something. Uh, I'll do it tomorrow after the tiger show's over

00:50:25.880 or what's COVID's over. Once the economy's back to normal, I'm going to get myself in a position.

00:50:31.700 So I'm more prepared next time. Right. Get prepared now. Yeah. All right. Gabe Carrello.

00:50:39.480 I understand that this is not a religious podcast, but I, and a quite few others here are Christians

00:50:45.580 and hold the apostle Paul to a pretty high regard. And I'm having a hard time understanding Paul's

00:50:50.900 statement quote, that is why for Christ's sake, I delight in weakness and in, in, in insults and

00:50:59.200 hardships and persecutions and difficulties for when I am weak, then I am strong. Second Corinthians

00:51:05.460 chapter 12, verse 10, as it relates to manliness and weakness. What does this look like in our lives

00:51:12.260 as godly men who strive to be strong and minimize our weaknesses? So I don't know the entire context of

00:51:19.280 this passage. And I don't, I don't pretend to be a biblical scholar. I I'm a Christian. I believe in,

00:51:25.600 in God and in Jesus Christ and the Holy ghost. Um, but I'm, I'm not a scholar, a biblical scholar

00:51:31.580 by any means. But what I interpret that as being is that Paul is talking about challenge and strife

00:51:39.880 and difficulty and obstacles. And when he is weak, because of the challenging circumstances,

00:51:46.320 he finds himself in this goes back to our last question, he's able to shore up those weaknesses

00:51:51.540 and make himself strong. This is a lot of guys won't, won't accurately evaluate their performance

00:52:00.240 because they're worried about what it looks like. Uh, and I get that, but it's damaging to, uh, your ego

00:52:07.180 and your, your sense of pride in a lot of cases. And if you won't look at it, then what you've done is

00:52:12.500 he's essentially put a blindfold on to some threats that could potentially come up. That would derail

00:52:18.520 you. If you're not willing to, to look at your bank account, cause you know how bad it is. Well,

00:52:22.220 then you're going to go into bankruptcy and you're not even going to know what hits you.

00:52:25.180 If you're not willing to jump on the scale and actually look at what the weight is and evaluate

00:52:28.800 your, your health status, then at some point you're probably going to contract diabetes and you're

00:52:33.340 going to die prematurely, but you're, it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks and blindside you

00:52:37.520 because you have the blindfold on. So what Paul's talking about here is to not look at

00:52:45.620 hardship and heartache and difficult times as a curse, but actually look at those things as a

00:52:51.760 blessing. What opportunities arise from these circumstances? What can I learn? How can I get

00:52:57.700 better? How can I improve? Uh, and, and how can I serve myself and others in all ways, even during

00:53:03.640 these difficult times, uh, to sum it up nicely, Bruce Lee says, I think it was Bruce Lee said,

00:53:08.800 maybe it's not, do not pray for an easier life. Pray for, uh, uh, the, the opportunity to,

00:53:16.060 to make yourself stronger, something like that, or being able to, to more adequately deal with your

00:53:20.620 life. And that's what he's talking about. You're not wishing for an easier life. You're,

00:53:24.760 you're working towards making yourself stronger so that you can deal with the situations as they arise.

00:53:29.000 Totally. Totally. And I think when Paul said like, uh, when I am weak, I am strong. I think a lot of

00:53:34.180 that comes down to humility of saying, Hey, you know, guess what? I am weak here. This is, this is

00:53:38.980 the area where I need to improve. And to your point, Ryan, that gives us the mindset necessary to say,

00:53:44.640 okay, now I need to true up in this space and make improvements. Right. About that, right. We're not

00:53:50.400 going to have the humility to admit that we even need to focus on that area. Yeah. Just ignore it.

00:53:54.580 So imagine if you thought you were amazing at everything, you would not do anything. Yeah.

00:54:01.040 Well, you would do it, but you'd look like a fool and you'd fall on your face and you'd never

00:54:04.820 accomplish anything. Right. Or when a real challenge came up, you'd get your ass kicked because

00:54:10.300 you, you were in delusion. You thought you were prepared, but you weren't because you really weren't

00:54:16.340 willing to look at what was actually happening and what was actually going on. So be humble,

00:54:21.820 be open and receptive to your shortcomings and your weaknesses so that you can shore them up.

00:54:27.700 It's not to remain weak, by the way. Yeah. There's, there's no, there's no virtue or honor

00:54:32.600 in being weak. It seems like the doctrine of popular culture would suggest that, that if you're

00:54:39.000 weak and you're pathetic and you're a victim, that it's honorable. It's not honorable. It's not

00:54:44.660 honorable. It's honorable to recognize it and fix it and make yourself strong. That's where the honor

00:54:51.660 and the virtue comes. John Davies, battle team leader in Europe. He's kind of our Europe battle

00:54:58.900 team leader. I don't think he's not in Europe. John is in, is he in Europe now? No, but those

00:55:04.500 guys are all kind of, it's kind of that Europe group. Yes. Okay. I call it the Euro battle team.

00:55:09.260 Is he in South Korea? I believe so. He was at one point and then I think he moved and maybe he

00:55:15.560 moved back anyways. Yeah. Regardless. Yeah. South Korea, I think. Yeah. Sorry, John. We don't know

00:55:19.860 where you live. According to John Rohn, we're, we're, we're the, Jim Rohn. Yeah. We're the average

00:55:26.740 of five people you spend most of your time with. Who are these people for you at the moment? To what

00:55:31.820 extent do they reflect who you are? My wife and my four kids are the five people I spend the most time

00:55:37.460 with right now. And we're all trapped. Social distancing. Um, I'll definitely my wife and my

00:55:45.340 kids definitely they're on there. Yeah. Uh, but in the spirit of the question, uh, you're, you're

00:55:50.400 definitely on there. You know, we have conversations every week, multiple every week. Uh, Pete Roberts

00:55:55.720 is, is on that list. Him and I have conversations every week, usually done on, on Facebook or Instagram

00:56:02.020 or a call or whatever. Um, yeah. And then I'm influenced by a lot of other people just on

00:56:08.360 Instagram, social media, Facebook, Twitter, et cetera, et cetera. So what was the follow-up

00:56:11.900 question? Cause he said, who are they? So those who are the, yeah. And to what extent do they reflect

00:56:15.960 on you? Oh, it's, it's huge. Yeah. I mean, what, what they do and how they show up is a direct

00:56:22.340 reflection of, of who I am and how I show up and how I behave and how I act and what I do. So yeah,

00:56:27.820 that's, I don't know to what percentage or how you even calculate that, but yeah, it, I mean,

00:56:32.680 anecdotally that, that has been, that has been a huge source of growth and inspiration in my life.

00:56:40.080 And I've been very, very deliberate, uh, about who I allow into my circle, both in person and

00:56:45.700 digitally as well. And if I start following somebody online who, you know, I'm not inspired

00:56:50.380 by anymore, maybe at one point I was, and I've outgrown that or changed or whatever, then I stopped

00:56:55.580 following that individual because I don't want that in my life. I only want the best. I only want

00:56:59.940 the things I'm inspired by and, uh, the things I'm motivated by. Cause I just don't have time for

00:57:05.280 negativity and mediocre results. So it's a, it's a huge, huge component of my life. And it takes a lot

00:57:11.220 of intentionality to make sure you continue to level this up. Yeah. And there's so much to this

00:57:16.640 conversation. I think, you know, just us reading these questions every week is just inspiring in itself

00:57:23.920 because it gets, it forces us to, to ponder and think about how, how would I answer or how should

00:57:31.500 I answer this question or where am I currently? Where am I weak in this area? Where do I need to

00:57:36.660 become strong? And, and just the conversation that, that you have on the interview shows on Tuesdays,

00:57:41.720 your Friday field notes, the conversations we have in the iron council, just the conversation and being

00:57:46.800 part of it, whether it's responding or even reading the question is inspiring because it forces us to

00:57:53.000 reflect and, and see how we are showing up as men in our own families. Even if some of these exact

00:58:00.560 questions or scenarios aren't exactly the same, it really forces us to, to ponder how we're showing

00:58:06.560 up. And, and I think that's probably one of the greatest impacts of, of being involved in the order

00:58:11.660 of man and iron council is, is really just being around like-minded men that have these kind of

00:58:16.200 conversations. It's awesome. Yeah, definitely. Uh, the damn, uh, Romanitz having spent time with

00:58:24.600 good supervisors and amazing friends in the past, I've managed to apply useful principles that were

00:58:29.620 demonstrated to me when taking the lead for a while. I found my own direction and example aren't always

00:58:35.980 bringing the best out of people and collaborating with me. In fact, my own leadership has led to

00:58:41.880 resentment, sometimes in work scenarios, other times in recreational settings. What's the right

00:58:47.580 way to go about giving credit where, where it's due when you know, someone else has stepped in on

00:58:54.240 your behalf. The most selfless people will change things for us without being asked and get left out

00:59:00.300 being unrecognized or being recognized for it. Always err on the side of giving too much credit.

00:59:05.980 That's it. That's the answer. Always, always, always err on the side of giving credit to other

00:59:13.840 people and taking responsibility for yourself. So if you fall short in leadership or the project,

00:59:18.740 then you take upon that responsibility. I did not accurately communicate this. I did not, uh,

00:59:25.220 hold up my end of the deal, but Kip really did all of these things. And here's what he did. And here's

00:59:30.700 how he showed up. That is leadership to be able to give credit where credit is due. And if you're

00:59:35.580 going to make a mistake on one side or the other about credit, err on the side of giving away too

00:59:40.360 much credit to other people and just have faith that it will play out, that it will work out,

00:59:44.540 that you're going to build goodwill among other people, your teammates, your colleagues, your

00:59:48.580 coworkers, your supervisors. Uh, and that they will more, they will be more willing to serve you

00:59:54.120 in the future. If you give credit to people, they want to do it for you because they don't get,

01:00:01.380 most people don't give credit. Yeah. Right. So, and you're, and when you don't give credit,

01:00:06.240 you're undermining that, that the idea that people will, will work for you and, and, and,

01:00:11.460 and be led by you and do what you say and have, have credibility and influence with them. So always,

01:00:17.580 always err on the side of, of giving away credit, uh, when things go right.

01:00:22.760 Hmm. I like that. Yeah. I, I, I even, well, I'll even kind of, and maybe it's negative. I don't

01:00:31.440 know. What's your thoughts on this of, of almost giving inaccurate credit, you know, where, where

01:00:38.560 maybe if you and I worked on a project over the weekend, I don't even recognize that. I, I don't

01:00:44.580 even mention that I worked on it. I just say, Hey, Ryan did an awesome job this weekend, push through

01:00:48.500 and not even mention anything. Cause why, like, why even I don't agree with that up? No, no,

01:00:54.800 because if you're lying and it is a lie, then it does, then it does it discredit the recognition

01:01:00.600 that you're giving. Right. Because look, let's say it's you and me and you give away all this credit

01:01:05.760 to me. I know, I like, I know that that wasn't reality. And so, although I might be willing to

01:01:13.620 accept the praise for it, deep down, you just sowed a seed of, of deceit. Yeah. And then I might,

01:01:23.120 I might think a couple of different things. I might think you're weak.

01:01:27.460 That's, that's one potential outcome is that, Oh, Kip's weak. I can walk all over him.

01:01:32.340 Right. Cause he's not willing to, to, or when you tell me other things, I might question,

01:01:37.580 is that true? Cause he's has a history of bending and manipulating the truth. Yeah. I might also

01:01:44.980 wonder what your angle is, right? Cause now you're talking about something that I know isn't reality.

01:01:49.900 I'm like, what's his game. What's his angle. What's he trying to do right here? And so there's,

01:01:54.840 there's a little bit of like trust issue with that. So when you're giving praise and credit,

01:02:02.580 don't give it broadly, give it specifically. Hey, my team. Oh, you guys did such a wonderful job

01:02:09.880 is not as good as saying Kip, this one thing that you did on this one project, it was amazing. And it

01:02:16.100 turned out so good. And here was the result. And man, Kip was responsible for that. And that was very

01:02:21.120 powerful. Yeah. Now you don't need to bring up the other things, but be very specific. Cause then,

01:02:26.860 you know, I'm not bullshitting. You're like, no, that's actually true. I did do that. And it did

01:02:31.160 produce this result. So, yeah. And I think that gives me, lets me know, okay, Ryan really values

01:02:37.580 that thing. Right. Right. When you said, Hey, you did an amazing job on that project.

01:02:42.220 What does that mean? Okay. Awesome. But if you told me specific details, then I can say, okay,

01:02:47.780 I'll remember that next project and do those things. Right. Yeah. So let's say you and I were

01:02:52.940 working on a project and I'm leading this project and, and I give you an assignment or a task and you need

01:02:57.700 to complete it. And there's elements of it that you do really, really well and elements of it that

01:03:02.240 you didn't do quite so well. So I'm going to give you praise in public and I'm going to give you

01:03:09.440 constructive feedback in private. So I might say, Hey, Kip did this thing and it was so amazing.

01:03:15.520 And here's how he, how he worked it. And here was the result of it. And then that's what you do in

01:03:20.120 public. And then, Hey, Kip privately, can I chat with you about something? You reiterate what he did

01:03:26.780 extremely well. So, Hey, you did that one thing. It was really, really well. I'd like to give you

01:03:30.460 some feedback on one element that I think we can shore up on the next, the next go around. Do you

01:03:34.360 mind if I share that with you? And I give you that constructive feedback privately, unless the team

01:03:40.880 needs to hear it. Right. But even if the team needs to hear it, I'm not throwing you under the bus.

01:03:45.480 I'm, I'm taking the, you're taking ownership. I have failed to communicate this to you guys.

01:03:50.180 Right. So I might privately behind closed doors say, Kip, we need to do X, Y, and Z. And then in public,

01:03:54.940 I'd say, Hey guys, one, one area where we messed up, we really need to improve. And I need to make

01:04:00.380 sure I do a great job of communicating this to you guys in the future is this thing that you and I

01:04:04.760 talked about, but I'm not going to throw you under the bus. I'm going to throw myself under the bus.

01:04:09.200 Got it. Cause you and I have an understanding already. Yeah. Now that now I'm not lying. Right.

01:04:15.280 And you know what happened behind closed doors and you actually think highly of me more better of me

01:04:21.620 because I was willing to talk with you privately, but then publicly take, take the fall myself.

01:04:27.500 Yeah. Right. Show some common respect for that individual at the same time.

01:04:31.480 Totally. Yeah. Let's take a one more maybe. Cause I think we're, we're winding down on time here.

01:04:37.060 Um, Dalton Pribble, how do you use your faith in Christ to lead this movement? Do you ever find a

01:04:44.960 time where your religion contradicts what you're doing for order of man?

01:04:52.580 I did. This is an interesting, it's a good question. Um, but my, my spiritual beliefs permeate

01:05:00.660 every aspect of my life that it would be difficult to say, this is the way that impacts my life.

01:05:06.320 It doesn't. I mean, it's, it's, it's just so broad and deep into what I'm doing that it's hard to

01:05:13.780 distinguish that it's all this one thing. You know, I, I, I pray, I have faith. We read the

01:05:18.700 scriptures. We go to church. I ponder on all this stuff. And because I do that, it's just ingrained

01:05:24.060 into what, what we do. Uh, the answer about, does it ever contradict? Uh, not that I can think of

01:05:31.780 just do the right thing. Cause it contradict you just do the right thing. Yeah. That's it.

01:05:37.800 When you're faced with a difficult decision or a circumstance, just do the right thing. Oh,

01:05:44.380 that's, that's a cop-out. No, it isn't. We all know what the right thing is. You know what the

01:05:47.900 right thing is in any, in any circumstance, you know what the right thing is. Well, and if you don't

01:05:53.380 mind me sharing this, I was, I, I was sharing this with my son the other day and I said, and we were

01:05:58.820 talking about choosing the right thing, doing the right things. And I said, and by the way,

01:06:02.280 the minute that you start having a conversation with yourself about whatever something is,

01:06:08.220 that's when you pause and then you just do it. Right. Because you're trying to lie to yourself,

01:06:13.640 right? You're trying to talk. You're starting the dialogue going, Oh, well this, this, this,

01:06:17.640 the minute you start that dialogue, you just hit the pause button and just go do the right thing.

01:06:23.340 Don't even have the conversation. Don't even entertain it because that's the tall tale sign

01:06:27.480 of you coming up with some excuse and justifiable reason of why you shouldn't be doing your, or why

01:06:33.940 you shouldn't do that correct thing. Right. That's probably difficult to do. And, and I would suggest

01:06:38.720 that you err on the side of giving other people the benefit of the doubt. You know, like we've had

01:06:42.720 guys, for example, in the iron council where, you know, they paid to be a member and they said,

01:06:48.240 oh, you know, I resigned two months ago and, and I'd never, I kept getting billed for it or whatever.

01:06:53.880 And it's like, where did you resign? Like, did you message me? Did you, and they're like, oh,

01:06:58.720 I don't, I don't know. Maybe I forgot to do it. Yeah. Maybe I meant to do it and I never did it.

01:07:04.280 And you're like, so I guess technically, yes, I could probably justify not doing a refund, but I'm

01:07:10.760 like, why would I do that? Why, why wouldn't I just refund the two months or whatever, whether

01:07:16.100 they're lying or telling the truth, like it's irrelevant. Just refund them the two months. You build

01:07:20.520 some goodwill and it's like, Hey, we'll get this taken care of for you. And just have faith. It's

01:07:24.360 all going to work out. You know, you're out a few bucks, but I'd rather maintain my honor and

01:07:28.520 integrity. And you know what, if that person stole from you, well, you're not responsible for that

01:07:33.720 person's actions. You're responsible for yours. So just do the right thing. Well, and what's

01:07:39.580 interesting about that, Ryan, is I think most guys don't like being like, let's use that example.

01:07:44.000 If you think someone's quote unquote stealing from you, most of the time, it doesn't have to do with

01:07:48.140 the money. It's, it's more tied to like this pride or this thought process of like, I, someone took

01:07:54.680 advantage of it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Good point. And it's more about that than it is really the

01:07:59.440 money. And I think we need to kind of put ourselves in check a little bit. I mean, I, even I, when I

01:08:05.140 was, when I was separated from my wife and we kind of dated on and off and, and even then I remember

01:08:10.660 I had some friends that were like, dude, what are you doing? You're, you're a sucker. Like you're,

01:08:16.580 you know, whenever she, um, you know, falls out of a relationship, she comes going and you're a

01:08:23.440 puppy dog and you're, you know what I mean? And you know, whatever. And I, and I really thought

01:08:27.140 about it over the time. And I thought, you know what, when I die, I don't think my maker's going

01:08:32.360 to say, Hey Kip, you know what? You were too forgiving and you were a sucker on earth and you

01:08:38.980 gave too much opportunity to people and they took advantage of you. Right. Right. Like, right.

01:08:43.000 That's not going to be the problem. Right. That that's not going to be a problem. And,

01:08:46.880 and, and it's kind of ironic because in the world we, we do that. Right. It's like,

01:08:50.140 well, don't be a sucker and don't get taken advantage of, you know, like, don't get me

01:08:54.300 wrong. I mean, there's scenarios by which we need to protect ourself and our boundaries,

01:08:57.760 but in the same breath, it's like, is it all that bad for you to give someone the benefit

01:09:02.400 of the doubt and then take advantage of it? Right. I mean, don't allow yourself to be abused.

01:09:06.620 Yeah. That's, that's the point. Right. Like, yeah. Don't like if somebody continues to do

01:09:11.580 it, you know, and here's the other thing, forgiveness doesn't mean that you need to

01:09:16.680 expose yourself to that, that pain or being taken advantage of. Like you can forgive somebody

01:09:21.320 and not invite them back into your life. Right. And protect yourself. Those two aren't mutually

01:09:27.440 exclusive. So yes, I mean, offer forgiveness, offer some grace. And at the same time, keep yourself

01:09:33.040 protected and safe because those two can actually go hand in hand. Yeah, totally. But if you fall,

01:09:40.000 I think if you fall on the side of like taking advantage of it's, you know what I mean? It's

01:09:45.220 not necessarily as bad as what our egos tell us it is. No, our egos definitely play things out for

01:09:51.580 sure. Yeah, for sure. Cool. Well, let's, let's call it a day. Let's wrap things up. Yeah. So obviously

01:09:57.180 we've talked about, and let's just be frank guys, COVID-19 working remote this, and I

01:10:03.380 can't reiterate this enough. This is the time to be, become better, man. I mean, we need

01:10:10.760 to focus on opportunities. We need, we, a lot of us may be having to pivot in our, in our

01:10:15.400 jobs or step up our game. And for a lot of you guys, and I really do think this is you

01:10:20.920 eliminate structure from people's lives, like the responsibility of having to be in the

01:10:25.080 office at eight guaranteed across the globe. People are sleeping in way more than they ever

01:10:30.800 have for sure, are working out less than they ever have. And why? Because structure has been

01:10:35.240 changed a little bit. And guess what? You need self-discipline and you haven't had to have it

01:10:41.560 for such a long time because there was social obligation of you being in the office by eight.

01:10:46.840 Well, guess what? That doesn't happen anymore. So if you need help in the space of self-discipline,

01:10:51.240 you need accountability and you need to rub shoulders with like-minded men. That's exactly

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01:11:28.700 at Ryan Mickler. That's it. I think we got it.

01:11:32.400 Or Mitchler, however you pronounce it.

01:11:33.700 Oh, I was going to tell you, your new nickname is Chip. It's now Chip.

01:11:36.720 Chip.

01:11:37.240 I sent you that text, didn't I?

01:11:39.220 Yeah.

01:11:39.800 So Chip now goes by Chip, guys, just so you know.

01:11:42.080 Yeah. And Ryan, no, Brian, Mitchler, and Chip.

01:11:46.480 Yep.

01:11:46.700 The Brian and Chip show. All right, guys, we'll let you get going. We'll be back on Friday,

01:11:51.860 but appreciate you being in this battle. Keep engaged with us. Keep engaged with the rest of

01:11:55.820 the guys in the order or the iron council. It's important. It really is important for you where

01:12:00.500 you're isolated a little bit more. Just stay engaged. Invite other men to be engaged. And

01:12:05.700 we're all in this thing together directly or indirectly. So let's help each other out. That's

01:12:09.660 the whole purpose of this brotherhood is to help and serve. So get after it. All right,

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Learning to Adjust Fire, Benefits of the COVID-19 Fallout, and Giving Credit Where Credit is Due ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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