Order of Man - Live from the Maine Event

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.240 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. Kip, what's going on, brother? This is different. It's interesting.

00:00:27.900 It is interesting. That's all you got? Well, I'm excited that I don't have to pronounce all

00:00:33.640 these guys' names. We might make you do that anyways. Oh, really? Yeah, figures.

00:00:39.440 Anyways, guys, what we're doing here, for those of you who are listening to this recording,

00:00:43.320 we are recording live from my property in Maine at the first order, excuse me, first ever Order of

00:00:48.420 Man Maine event. So we've got, I don't know, what did we decide? 63 of us, Chris, here? 63 of us here

00:00:54.920 at this event. We've gone for, well, all day yesterday. These guys just got done with a

00:01:00.420 grueling PT this morning, and we're doing a live podcast, and then we've got some other pretty

00:01:04.620 cool activities this afternoon. Yeah, that's awesome. See a few guys limping this morning,

00:01:09.120 so that's good. No, they did good. Everybody did good. Danny and who else? John. Danny and John put

00:01:16.580 together our PT. They did a good job. So what we're going to do, guys, is we're going to get right into

00:01:19.800 the questions. This is an ask me anything, so you guys are welcome to ask anything, and we're only

00:01:24.840 fielding questions from guys that are here at this event. So we could have six, because I see six guys

00:01:31.400 in line, or we could have 63 or whatever. We'll just go as long as we need to and get all these

00:01:36.580 questions answered. Are you serious? Yes. We'll go for about an hour. How does that sound? Where's that

00:01:42.340 discipline go really quick so I can sit awake? All right, we'll go for about an hour here,

00:01:48.240 and then we'll just keep chugging along. Cool. All right. Paul, you're up first, man.

00:01:52.740 All right. Thanks, guys, for allowing us to do this. My question is just regarding content creation

00:01:59.020 and providing value. I know there's a lot of guys in here who probably are trying to provide

00:02:06.160 some sort of value, especially through social media avenues. And so my question is, do you create

00:02:11.940 your social media content on the fly each day, or do you schedule time to write content days in advance

00:02:18.080 and use, say, for instance, the Facebook scheduling tool to send your posts out on a recurring

00:02:24.640 schedule? What method have you found to work best for you in the Order of Man movement while you're

00:02:34.100 providing value for those who are a part of Order of Man? Or is it just Brecken making all the posts?

00:02:39.580 It is Brecken. Yeah. It is Brecken.

00:02:41.200 That's what I figured.

00:02:42.260 No, you know what? With regards to posting is, I used to use, there's a couple of different apps.

00:02:48.640 I think Hootsuite is one. There's a lot of different apps that will schedule out these

00:02:52.480 social media posts. And they're valuable, especially if you're working another job and

00:02:57.000 doing something else. And so when I was in financial planning, I was doing a lot of that

00:03:01.080 because I really had to manage my time. I think even more efficiently than I do now,

00:03:05.380 because I had a full-time job over here in the financial planning business. And also I was trying

00:03:10.220 to grow Order of Man. So that scheduling tool was very, very important to me. Now I don't schedule

00:03:15.500 anything. Most of what I do with regards to social media is just on the fly. You know, I made a couple

00:03:21.040 of posts yesterday. It was just because I was inspired by something you guys were doing or an

00:03:25.740 experience that we had. And so I just use that as the content for social media. Same thing with

00:03:31.620 doing this podcast. I took a picture of this podcast set up this morning. I'll post that.

00:03:36.040 So I'm, I'm inspired by what I see. I look around. I've literally got a list. If I pull up my phone

00:03:41.600 and I'll show you this is I've got a list on here and my notepad app. And, uh, let's see,

00:03:49.540 I've got, man, I've got all kinds of lists, like my daily tasks, uh, conversations I need to have

00:03:54.140 with senior leadership and iron council, Friday field notes, ideas, uh, group posts. Um, and,

00:04:00.460 and you can see I've got, I don't know, there's probably 20 or 30 different bullet points right

00:04:05.580 there. These are all topics that I can talk about at any given moment. So if I feel like I want to

00:04:10.180 make a post and share something, I can just pull this up. And anytime I'm inspired, I just write

00:04:15.200 something down in there. So for me doing it on the fly is more important because as much as it pains me

00:04:21.000 to use this word, it's more authentic. It is. It's, it's just, it's just more genuine. It's just,

00:04:26.160 you know, rather than trying to game the system and a lot of guys will do that and they'll have

00:04:30.240 success, but rather than gaming it, I hope you guys, you know, you're, you're here and I know a

00:04:36.000 lot of you, but a lot of you, I haven't met. And I hope you see that this isn't a game. This isn't

00:04:40.720 something like just some, some system or, or I'm plugging it into this, this machine. It's not,

00:04:46.580 it's very personal for me. You know, my, my wife and my kids are out here and my son's listening

00:04:51.400 right now. My kids are inside. My wife's probably prepping the next meal for us. This is deeply,

00:04:57.320 deeply personal to me. And so it's, I'm not gaming this thing. Like it's, it's real. And so I do it

00:05:03.520 on the fly because I think that shows who I am flaws and all. Does that help? Absolutely. Thank you.

00:05:09.860 Just to add on question to that real quick, thinking back to the beginning, when you first started

00:05:15.500 creating content, uh, do you feel that over time your, your creation has developed and it has

00:05:22.940 become easier for you to create such lengthy and valuable content on the fly? Yeah, totally.

00:05:29.620 That's just a skill that you just develop and learn through doing it. It's always awkward. It's

00:05:33.780 awkward to be in front of a microphone or be in front of a video camera at first, that stuff just

00:05:38.520 gets easier. You get better and it becomes a non-issue. I remember we've got our cameraman right here in

00:05:43.660 our face. You know, the first event that we ran, it was really, really strange. And now it's, you

00:05:48.520 know, I can ignore will no problem now. Um, but, uh, yeah, you just, you learn that stuff and you

00:05:54.640 learn two things. You learn what resonates with the people you're trying to serve. Again, that's not

00:05:59.300 about gaming it. It's just, how can I serve these men more effectively? And then you develop and

00:06:04.340 articulate your own voice. Uh, you know, a lot of the times when we start in this content creation,

00:06:09.320 we try to emulate other people. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but there should

00:06:14.080 come a point in time where the past starts to deviate a little, right? So you're not falling

00:06:19.040 in line with exactly that individual. And you start to create your own path and your own voice,

00:06:23.580 but that comes through practice. You can't do that right out of the gate. It'd be cool if you could,

00:06:28.180 but you can't, it just develops over time. Appreciate it, gents. Thanks brother. Kip,

00:06:34.180 did you want to add anything to that? No, I was just saying, I was going to remind you guys,

00:06:37.700 say your full name, right?

00:06:41.640 Hey there, uh, Roger Taylor here. I have a very deep question. So I saw this one. This is yay or

00:06:47.740 nay to Thor's Viking style braided beard. I would, I would, with the, with the braids,

00:06:55.120 I would normally say a hundred percent. No. And now I'm like 98%. No. The only reason there's 2%

00:07:02.440 is because frankly, I'm really tired of it getting yanked on in jujitsu and it's, it's painful. So I

00:07:09.460 thought, you know, I could, I could trim this thing down. I could shave my beard or I could just

00:07:13.900 gradually over time, get it yanked out piece by piece. And although that's significantly more

00:07:19.160 painful, it's definitely cooler than going in and shaving it. So no to the, uh, to the braids for now.

00:07:26.260 Thanks. Thanks, Roger. Appreciate it. I think it depends on who, right? Like I'm looking over here

00:07:30.280 at like muscle horse or muscle shark, these guys, I'm like, you know what? I think they'd be okay

00:07:35.340 with it. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. Everyone like during, uh, while, while promise coming up

00:07:42.960 here, uh, during Christmas, those of you with beards, you'll get this. I'm sure I always get

00:07:48.580 the pictures and the videos and little guys doing glitter and tassels and little ornaments in their

00:07:54.140 beard. Don't send that shit to me. The beard is the ornament innovative self. It doesn't need any

00:08:00.760 other adornments. All right. What's up, brother? Hey guys, Brad Fletchall. So mine's a little bit

00:08:06.560 more tactical on, uh, some guys like trying to build some wealth. So you've shared that you have,

00:08:10.960 uh, you're renting your house back in Utah. That's completely across the country. How are you

00:08:14.600 handling those sort of like tenant issues, property issues while you're clear over here? What kind of

00:08:18.120 systems you put in place to do that? I hired somebody else to do it for me. That's it. Uh,

00:08:22.780 we've got a couple of different rental properties now. Every, it's not like we were real deliberate

00:08:26.860 about that. Frankly, uh, when we moved out of our first home, we just, we decided we wanted

00:08:32.520 to keep it and rented it out. When we moved out of this last home, we decided we wanted

00:08:35.520 to keep it and we rented it out. Uh, but we've always had really good success with a property

00:08:39.420 manager. And I've always been an avid believer that I don't need to do everything. You know,

00:08:44.460 I shouldn't do everything. I can't do it as efficiently as I could. Somebody who's a professional

00:08:48.860 and has this stuff figured out. And although I've paid this individual, this company to manage our

00:08:53.800 properties for us, uh, the, that's an investment, quite literally an investment. I'm giving them

00:08:59.460 that money, but in return, I'm not having to invest my time and resources and energy. I'm not having to

00:09:05.860 send letters. I'm not having to qualify, uh, residents. Uh, in fact, our previous property in

00:09:12.220 nine years, we've had three tenants in nine years, which is unheard of for a rental property,

00:09:17.720 but that's because we have a professional doing it for us. And that's a nice thing.

00:09:23.420 It does. I will say this though, because people get into this problem at times is they think

00:09:28.020 because they hired somebody else that they can just wash their hands of how it goes.

00:09:33.160 And, and, and because I hired a professional does not mean I get to absolve myself of the

00:09:37.200 responsibility, still my responsibility to ensure all that stuff gets taken care of. Now,

00:09:42.060 in this case, it's my finances, it's my money. That's important, but this applies in any aspect of

00:09:46.920 life. Just because you hire a professional to do something doesn't mean you just get to wash your

00:09:51.760 hands and walk away and hope and pray that everything works out. Cause very rarely does

00:09:55.280 it work out like that. So hire professionals, bring in the right people, even within order of

00:10:01.480 man and iron council, I've got Kip here and I've got other guys here with an iron council leadership.

00:10:05.780 These guys help me manage the iron council and manage teams. Uh, but that doesn't mean that I'm

00:10:12.280 no longer responsible. The buck stops here. Right. So I need to ensure that that stuff gets

00:10:16.920 taken care of. Yeah. And if you're looking to rent property, we, we have some rental property as

00:10:21.440 well. We'd lived in New York for a few years and you know, we, we didn't hire, uh, like a management

00:10:26.980 company, property management company, but we knew someone that needs some extra cash, trustworthy guy.

00:10:33.200 Hey, can you manage this for us? Right. So there's, there's avenues and ways, you know,

00:10:38.420 to handle it. But yeah, I think one of the things I would say on that, Brad is like that, that the

00:10:43.740 closer you are to people with money, the more boundaries and barriers you should set between

00:10:49.180 each other. So the people that rent our, our property now are, are the last one we just moved

00:10:54.600 out of. We, we know them, we know who they are. And so we still made them go through the property

00:11:00.660 management company. Cause I don't want to play the game of like calling me in the middle of the night

00:11:05.140 or like, Hey, I'm 10 days late on my rent, but because we're friends, we know I'm not playing

00:11:09.420 that game. So we put those boundaries in place. We talk a lot about boundaries. Those boundaries

00:11:14.300 are in place. And I maintain the boundaries because they're not boundaries. If you don't

00:11:18.220 maintain them. I mean, we can talk about all kinds of stuff when it gets to that, but that applies in

00:11:23.040 every situation. If it's more, whether it's the border or personal boundaries or relational boundaries,

00:11:28.280 if those aren't in place and you aren't willing to maintain those boundaries, why establish them?

00:11:32.960 They really aren't boundaries to begin with. Yeah. And that dichotomy shows up everywhere,

00:11:37.380 by the way, not, I know this was just about rental property, right? But in any situation where you

00:11:41.980 take ownership over something and then you start developing those relationships more, right?

00:11:47.300 Jocko talks about this. This is one of the dichotomies of leadership is by default, those that are under

00:11:53.020 your stewardship will naturally start thinking they can get a pass sometimes because now you guys are

00:12:00.300 closer. That could be employees. That could be guys on your battle team. If you're a battle team

00:12:05.100 leader, it could be a number of people, even your kids to be frank, right? You spend a lot of close

00:12:11.200 time with your kids. Sometimes your boys start talking back a little too much and you're like,

00:12:14.860 you're passing that boundary. I'm still your parent, right? There's still some boundaries that

00:12:20.380 need to be established. So that, I think that dichotomy shows up everywhere.

00:12:23.400 And I know we're going off tangents, but boundaries are really important here.

00:12:27.840 We never do that, by the way.

00:12:28.800 Never, never. But what I would say with the boundaries as well is that it's not even a

00:12:34.080 boundary if you haven't communicated it to other people. And I don't feel like we have a right to

00:12:38.660 uphold the standard that we haven't communicated. Like I can't, my son is over here in the corner and

00:12:44.180 I can't, I can't discipline him or punish him for something that he didn't know was, wasn't wrong,

00:12:49.640 right? It's my responsibility to, to communicate it so that there's an understanding of what it is.

00:12:55.220 And then I can draw back on it. Hey, remember last week when we talked about X, Y, Z,

00:12:59.100 you crossed that line. Yeah, I know I did. And he, he owns that, right? But a lot of the times

00:13:04.660 what we do is we get upset with our kids or our wife or a boss or whoever it is. And we call these

00:13:10.440 covert contracts. We have the idea in our mind about how we should be treated and about what that

00:13:16.480 boundary is. And yet we haven't communicated to the other individual. That's not fair. Not only is

00:13:21.720 it not fair, it's not effective. Yeah. So we need to make sure we're communicating those things as

00:13:25.920 well. No, that's enough. No, last one, last one. So what happens too, right? Is so kid does X,

00:13:33.380 we'll just use the, the kids never make mistakes, right? Brecken. Okay. So we'll use that as an example.

00:13:39.480 So, um, kid makes a mistake. Parent gets upset, doesn't establish boundaries, probably, uh, gets

00:13:48.140 too emotional about the situation, feels bad that they're overly emotional, doesn't maintain

00:13:53.760 the discipline or the boundary than, than what was set. What did you just teach your kid?

00:13:58.600 You're saying they backpedal? Yeah. Yeah. What did you teach your kid? That, oh yeah,

00:14:03.020 you can establish boundaries, but they're not going to withhold them. Right. Or if the kid holds out

00:14:07.220 long enough, right. Or they cry. He'll get what he wants anyway. Exactly. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And I've

00:14:11.320 had my, I had my son actually even communicate that to me once. I'm like, how are you okay making

00:14:17.420 this decision knowing this was the consequence? And he said, cause mom established the consequence

00:14:23.460 and I didn't think she would actually like do it. And I'm like, well, you know, and so we had a

00:14:28.960 conversation about it. Great question about rental properties. All about rental property. Yeah.

00:14:33.140 Thanks guys. Appreciate you, brother. Yeah. That's funny.

00:14:37.220 Hi everyone. Pramit Ball. So a question about hunting. So I found it easy to get into most

00:14:42.080 outdoor hobbies, but hunting has been trickier. It feels like you need to either know someone or

00:14:46.500 have been born into it. A hunting club was like $3,000 a year and I haven't found a meetup for it

00:14:52.160 either. So what's the easiest way to just get into hunting? There's a lot of resources, whether it's

00:14:58.140 department of natural resources, fishing game, warden service. We had a member of Maine's warden

00:15:03.920 service over here. There's a lot of resources available online, wherever you are, that will

00:15:07.960 actually outline and communicate some of the standards and the licensing requirements and

00:15:12.240 everything that you'll need to get into hunting. I do lean towards what you said, that it's always

00:15:17.640 better to know somebody that is into hunting. So I would really spend some time inventorying your

00:15:22.840 circle or making friends with people who are hunters that will, uh, that will coach you and guide you.

00:15:29.140 I mean, if you think about men for tens of thousands of years, boys were learning how to

00:15:33.780 hunt from who? Their fathers, right? Now we have less and less of that. That doesn't mean that we

00:15:39.500 don't have to learn that stuff. Even if as men, we never learned it. We still have to learn it,

00:15:44.260 right? I started hunting in 2017. So I've only been hunting less than two years, but I had to learn it.

00:15:50.700 I had a good friend, Colin Cottrell, who introduced me to, to hunting, archery and rifle hunting.

00:15:56.880 Uh, and that to me is the very best way. I bet we're here with 63 guys. I bet there's

00:16:02.520 half of these guys or more that would be more than willing to pour into you and teach you some

00:16:08.000 things with regards to hunting. I know you got behind a bow maybe for the first time this weekend.

00:16:12.780 Um, and, and so finding those people in your circle, looking at what resources are available

00:16:17.960 online based on where you are. I think that's probably the two best places you can look.

00:16:22.580 All right. What would you say, Kip?

00:16:23.700 I would just say, even just asking guys to go on the hunt with them.

00:16:27.320 Like you, you don't have to bird them with like, teach me how to hunt. Just say, Hey,

00:16:31.540 next time you guys go hunting, you can kind of tag along, you know, and just that experience

00:16:35.560 itself would, would teach you a ton of stuff.

00:16:37.380 Yeah. I've done that last year. I had a close friend, Jaron Levitt. He, uh, he can't, he's in

00:16:42.300 Northern Utah. He, he called me up and he's like, Hey man, I'm going to be on a hunt in Southern

00:16:45.660 Utah around where you are. I didn't have a tag for the unit they were hunting, but I went and

00:16:50.780 spent a couple of days with them and had a great time. And, uh, I was, I was doing some

00:16:55.240 spotting for the guys and, and just being around them and taking some of that in was very, very

00:17:00.080 valuable to Kip. Your point.

00:17:01.520 Yeah. If, if, if I were on a hunt and there's a new guy with by default, I think every hundred

00:17:05.580 things, Oh, your responsibility is to bleed out the animal. So it'd be fun. Watch you squirm

00:17:11.740 a little bit.

00:17:12.220 Yeah. Does that help? Yeah. I'm excited that you're, uh, you're interested in hunting

00:17:18.080 because we need more hunters. We definitely need more hunters. Thanks, brother. Appreciate

00:17:23.140 you, brother. Cool. Thanks.

00:17:27.400 Josh Gerken. I'm glad I get to kind of preface this question. Um, I work, uh, at church youth

00:17:32.680 pastor with kids and with all these mass shootings, um, they've been just wanting to talk about the

00:17:37.600 whole time and it's just getting really more and more. And I run the gamut of, I have youth

00:17:43.780 that have never touched a gun. Don't want to look at them. And then I've gone out and shot

00:17:46.780 ARs with others and invite other youth. So we have this huge spectrum. I just was wondering

00:17:51.220 just cause I love to get others opinions, not to get in a debate or anything. What are your

00:17:55.060 guys apparent, uh, opinions on these mass shootings, especially those who say we should ban assault

00:18:00.380 weapons? Because, uh, right before I asked this question, we had two kids, one walked out of

00:18:05.340 the youth group because she found out one of the other boys has an AR. Well, his dad's in the

00:18:10.260 service. His grandpa's in the service. He's going to go in the service. He's probably the most

00:18:13.600 responsible person I know, but just because he owns one, she wouldn't even look at him as soon

00:18:19.780 as she found that out. I mean, that's, that's ignorant, right? Like that is the definition of

00:18:23.780 ignorance. And sometimes it's hard because you have kids and you can't really blame them because

00:18:27.800 where are they getting that stuff from? But it is ignorant, but it's also, I get it. I get it.

00:18:32.860 If you've never been around guns and you haven't been exposed to it, then that stuff is scary.

00:18:37.880 And that's why it's our responsibility. We've got 63 of us here this weekend to teach our kids.

00:18:43.460 The analogy I use, and I know it's got its flaws. The analogy has its flaws is that you don't keep

00:18:50.100 your kids away from the swimming pool. You teach them how to swim, right? Because they're going to be

00:18:55.160 exposed to water at some point. And it's probably going to be outside of your, uh, your supervision.

00:19:00.080 So you've got to give them the necessary tools and training to be able to handle themselves in

00:19:05.720 that situation. So I think it's a travesty that we have kids walking around who have never been

00:19:11.560 familiarized with firearms. And I'm not saying they need to own a firearm. I'm not saying they

00:19:16.560 need to shoot religiously, but they probably ought to know the basics, the foundations. And it's that

00:19:24.000 old adage, curiosity killed the cat. When they aren't curious, then they have a level of respect,

00:19:29.680 profound respect for what that weapon is. And that's what it is designed to kill,

00:19:35.420 but it can be harnessed for good. Like any tool can. So, I mean, there's a lot to unpackage here,

00:19:42.360 but I think kids ought to be exposed to firearms because whether we want them to or not,

00:19:48.320 it's likely that they will. So as men leaders in the community, leaders in our home, we should

00:19:53.400 probably be doing that and being assertive. And we might even be uncomfortable with that.

00:19:57.760 Maybe there's guys here who've never, is there anybody here who's never shot a firearm?

00:20:02.540 We got a couple of guys, handful of guys.

00:20:04.380 Go grab your gun.

00:20:05.440 So, hey, can anybody here help these guys? Like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's,

00:20:10.420 I'm sure there's plenty of firearms even in this space right now, right? So it's, look,

00:20:18.760 I'm going to look at you guys a little bit and say, you should familiarize yourself. It starts with us,

00:20:23.180 right? If the old adage is, and I can't remember who said it, he says, if boys don't learn,

00:20:29.180 men won't know. If boys don't learn, men won't know. So it's critical that we learn ourselves and

00:20:35.280 then we pass that knowledge down. I'll get into the second part of your question regarding my

00:20:40.140 thoughts about mass shootings, but that's how I would address the firearms thing. You know what,

00:20:45.920 this gal that's a youth in your group, it's ignorance. And I'm not saying she's dumb or she's

00:20:51.900 wrong. I'm just saying she doesn't know. And maybe there's an opportunity for some education

00:20:57.120 here that might help her see things a little bit differently in a way that she's probably at this

00:21:02.840 point not exposed to. Well, that's the one thing I've learned is in our society, we're getting more

00:21:08.180 polarized. We're not finding a middle ground anymore. And that's one of those things where

00:21:13.380 I had to check afterwards with the parent, just because you got to follow up. And the mom's like,

00:21:16.880 oh, I totally support my daughter. I'm like, well, yeah. In this strategy, no one agrees that any of this

00:21:21.820 should happen, but you got to listen and understand their point of views. Sure. If you disagree with

00:21:29.040 it, great. But if you don't listen to it, you're not going to be able to make an informed decision.

00:21:33.520 And I think the mother just said silence and then was like, okay. Yeah. It's too bad. You know,

00:21:39.020 there's a couple of reasons for that. Number one, and I think the reason we're so polarized is we,

00:21:43.120 because we do less of this, less of being together. We're not talking about politics. There's liberals,

00:21:48.680 there's conservatives, there's, there's all kinds of guys in here. I don't know what it is because

00:21:52.280 we're not talking about that. We're banded together in a different purpose. Right. But I would, I would

00:21:58.500 caution against one thing that I see quite a bit of is that the, the group is in a way, and I think

00:22:05.640 this is increasing, uh, required to submit to the one individual who is either threatened or

00:22:12.080 uncomfortable. And what I would warn against is to say, you know, we're not going to shy away from

00:22:17.820 having these conversations. We're not going to shy away from even participating in some of these

00:22:22.240 activities. We'll give you plenty of notice and you can opt out if you'd like, but you're not going

00:22:27.520 to change what we're doing because you're uncomfortable. So you can either decide to

00:22:32.500 band with us in certain things, in everything that we do, and we'll give you plenty of notice and

00:22:37.140 respect your decision, but we're not changing because you're uncomfortable. And when we change like

00:22:42.060 that, we create that polarity even more so. Right. Cause now we're cow-towing. Yeah.

00:22:47.860 What's your thoughts on, um, children and firearms and then let's get, or maybe mass shootings.

00:22:52.040 I was just going to add to, to that, that polarized viewpoint, it, it even transcends guns,

00:22:58.080 right? Like there's been a number of times where we've done some self-defense for youth

00:23:02.240 and certain kids aren't there. And I'm like, Hey, where's, you know, Tommy. And they're like,

00:23:07.560 oh, his parents don't want him coming because, because it's a route. It's about fighting. It's

00:23:13.180 about violence. Right. And we know this guys, like we've talked about this. There's, there's power

00:23:19.700 in young boys learning that, right. Learning how to control their violence, right. Embrace it,

00:23:27.420 uh, not make it something bad. And, but that's the mentality, right? So I'm just echoing. I'm echoing

00:23:35.020 what you're saying. It's, it's a problem for sure. Well, we just, we just, we just have a

00:23:38.620 tremendous opportunity. I mean, I think that not only within the walls of our home, but I think

00:23:42.760 in our communities, our children are starving for leadership because they're not getting it at

00:23:47.340 home. Anthony, you talked about that in your personal situation. You didn't get leadership at

00:23:51.440 home, right? You had to step up and you, frankly, you, you as a child, and I'm not pointing you out.

00:23:58.360 I'm just saying that any child is going to be an inferior leader. They just don't have enough

00:24:02.700 life experience. And so you were, you were put into a situation where you didn't have the tools

00:24:08.520 and the training and the resources to be able to lead as effectively as maybe somebody 20 years,

00:24:13.100 your elder could. Right. So, but that's not uncommon. That's a sad thing I see. I coach sports

00:24:19.420 and I know we've got Brody over here. You coach sports. A lot of you guys probably coach in your

00:24:22.820 communities. And it's sad to me to see that dad's not around. And not only is dad not willing to coach,

00:24:30.320 I see, I don't see a lot of these dads, even at games and I get it. You know, we've got work and

00:24:36.000 we've got priorities and we've got to put food on the table and provide, and we talk about all that,

00:24:39.820 but that's BS. Man, if you're not, you're right. It's BS. You're right. If you're not able to do

00:24:46.700 that sort of thing, I mean, you, you've missed something critical. You, you've missed something

00:24:52.920 truly incredible, not only for your kids, but something truly incredible for you as a leader as well.

00:24:57.320 Mass shootings, man. Well, gosh, we can get down a rabbit hole on this. It's, and I believe,

00:25:04.400 and I made a post about this on social media and I, and I had overwhelming support in what I said.

00:25:10.140 Of course you had the dissenters who said, well, it's not that simple. And of course I know

00:25:14.060 like there's exceptions. And what I said essentially is that if more men were, were present physically,

00:25:22.700 emotionally, emotionally, spiritually, that these mass shootings would, a lot of them would go away.

00:25:30.240 I mean, you look at these kids who perpetuate this stuff and these are, I mean, look, look at them.

00:25:36.460 Like look in their eyes, you know, see these kids in there. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's a shame,

00:25:43.200 but that's our fault. We're failing them. And so we need to step up. Like, I wonder if even one of

00:25:49.920 these kids got some coaching in some sport, maybe not even from his father, but somebody in the

00:25:54.380 community stepped up and he played baseball or football or whatever your sport of choice is,

00:25:59.400 if this would continue to be a problem, it's really a shame. And it comes down to us being

00:26:04.160 disengaged. I can get into a whole history lesson about this and, but I won't get into the whole

00:26:08.600 lesson, but it started in the industrial revolution when dad left and stopped tending the fields with

00:26:14.480 little Tommy. Right. And he went into the factories and then he would come home and little Tommy was

00:26:20.460 raised by mom and then mom entered the workforce. And so they're like, well, what should we do with

00:26:25.760 the kids? And they shipped them off to little mini factories called schools where they're learning

00:26:30.180 more from women. And I'm not, I'm not throwing women under the bus here, but boys in particular need

00:26:37.000 a masculine presence and influence. Cause I'll tell you what, my boys, they'll break stuff for fun.

00:26:44.480 Like I came out the other day and they had all these like destroyed matchbox cars

00:26:49.480 and literally destroyed hammers to them. I took my old dishwasher out of the house or a washing

00:26:55.280 machine out of the house. And my second son, Eli came up and he's like, Hey dad, can I destroy the

00:27:00.720 washing machine? And my knee jerk reaction was, no, you can't destroy it. And then I thought about it

00:27:06.720 for a minute and I said, no, you can destroy it because I, I want you to, to have fun. Like,

00:27:11.980 and he wanted to figure it out and he wanted to see what was inside of it. And Breck and we were

00:27:16.000 talking about it. We found inside of the washing machine, what do we find? Concrete blocks, right?

00:27:22.380 Inside the washing machine. Did anybody know that there's concrete in a washing machine?

00:27:26.260 Just to weigh it down?

00:27:27.800 Because if you didn't, it would fly away or whatever, right? So that, that, that...

00:27:32.980 I don't know.

00:27:33.460 It may not fly, but that's what keeps it balanced, right? That's what keeps it balanced. So we,

00:27:40.560 we figured this stuff out, but we wouldn't have figured that out if I didn't channel it,

00:27:45.360 right? And that's our job is that we have to, have to harness and channel the masculine energy in our

00:27:55.200 boys into productive outcomes. Cause we have it too. We've just learned some better than others,

00:28:01.200 how to make it productive rather than destructive. And I think natural tendency,

00:28:06.880 these boys are going to be more destructive unless they have that mature male figure guiding

00:28:13.000 their choices, not, not, not telling them to suppress masculinity. That's not what I'm talking

00:28:19.740 about, but to use it powerfully for productive outcomes for themselves and other people. And these

00:28:25.960 boys who, who are, who are doing these mass shootings, they don't have that. They don't

00:28:30.880 have it. And, and it's coming out in violent, horrific ways. And there's other things, pharmaceuticals

00:28:38.820 and other things like that, but we'll get into that for sure.

00:28:42.500 Yeah. Dude.

00:28:44.160 If you're a, if you want to get riled up on this book that both Ryan and I have read, and I talked

00:28:50.980 to a few guys here during the event about this book, it's the boy crisis. This is a breakdown, man. It's,

00:28:55.960 it, it's the evidence of why this is a problem. And he actually even addresses this very subject within

00:29:02.880 that book.

00:29:03.800 Yeah, he's good. So Dr. Warren Farrell, the boy crisis, the other one, the other individual I'd look

00:29:09.840 into is Dr. Leonard Sachs. He wrote, um, why gender matters, uh, boys adrift and collapse of

00:29:19.600 parenting. Who said that? Thank you. Collapse of parenting. Three really good books on the

00:29:25.440 importance of parenting, the importance of gender, uh, the important, I should say this gender

00:29:30.880 distinction and why there is a war on boys. Yeah. The only other thing that for, I think a lesson

00:29:38.780 for us to consider, right. As, as part of the example that Ryan gave about the industrial

00:29:42.740 revolution, do you think those fathers went off to factories, but they still told their

00:29:48.380 sons what they should be doing? I think they did. I don't think they gave up right. In regards to

00:29:53.600 like tilling little Timmy, Hey man, you need to respect your mom. It was Tommy. It was Tommy.

00:29:57.460 Tommy, Tommy. Sorry. Flying dishwashers. Make a new shirt. And it's like, I don't know. Okay.

00:30:08.480 So it's going to be for sale this afternoon. Just right over here at the store. They exist. They

00:30:13.080 really do. Um, they didn't, you said they didn't give up on, they still gave lip service to what

00:30:22.180 they think their boys should have been doing, which is the same thing we do. The difference is what

00:30:29.760 time time was taken. So any of us that fall into that trap, and I think we all probably naturally fall

00:30:37.120 into that trap thinking, well, I could just tell my son Ian what he should be doing, right? I could

00:30:43.620 just give that lip service and that's sufficient. It obviously isn't because I don't think that

00:30:49.400 generation stopped giving lip service. They knew how their boys should have been being raised. They

00:30:54.000 just didn't have the time to be with them. And that's what we need to give our kids.

00:31:01.200 Agreed.

00:31:01.600 We could do mic drops now on this podcast.

00:31:04.340 It's over. There's nothing else to say.

00:31:06.040 Well, because we have people watching this.

00:31:07.100 We have solved the problem.

00:31:07.840 Yeah.

00:31:09.660 Thanks, brother. Appreciate you.

00:31:12.880 How's it going, guys? Ryan Rodriguez. Um, you've got a lot of high integrity, high performers,

00:31:20.040 uh, on your podcast. Maybe not as high performing as a flying washing machine, but, um, so these are

00:31:28.180 high integrity people. Um, and my question was, do you, uh, do you have your guests sign some type

00:31:37.680 of waiver or disclaimer, not as a way to like protect you from them or vice versa, but to protect

00:31:43.980 them from, from any kind of external attack or liability or anything like that?

00:31:49.400 Uh, what, give me an example of what you think might be a threat.

00:31:52.620 I don't know. Maybe, um, if, uh, and I understand like it's all opinion, you know? Um, so maybe if,

00:32:00.500 if someone comes after them, I don't really know if there could be any kind of legal recourse,

00:32:05.360 if any, because like I said, it's a shame that we even have to have this conversation.

00:32:10.040 Exactly. And that, and that was kind of my point. Like, have you experienced anybody trying to

00:32:16.280 come at you? I guess I would say, I mean, I have people that don't agree with what I say.

00:32:21.780 Um, that may say I'm misogynistic or whatever, whatever the thing is that they're, that they're

00:32:27.140 saying. Um, as far as legal recourse, I don't know that there's anything like that or even

00:32:31.720 liability necessarily for the things I say. I mean, that's kind of the point is that there

00:32:35.860 shouldn't be right. That shouldn't be infringed upon. And it is more and more. And it's sad that

00:32:40.700 you would ask that question, not because it's a bad question, but because it's actually something

00:32:44.600 we need to consider. Yeah. That's weird to me. Yeah, it is. Um, quite frankly, I haven't

00:32:49.960 thought of that. Um, maybe I should, I don't know. I, I, I haven't thought of that. So

00:32:54.440 the answer is no. Uh, but maybe something worth considering. It's just kind of a shame

00:32:59.420 that. Well, I think, I mean, if you look at a lot of podcasts, you know, if you look

00:33:03.000 at Joe Rogan, some of the top podcasts, Ryan's interviewing a lot of those same people. So

00:33:07.380 I would assume that if, if that was kind of in that industry, then it would have shown

00:33:13.980 up by now. It may have. I, you know, the one I think about, cause you brought it up,

00:33:17.260 Joe Rogan is, um, this alien thing, right? You guys are all familiar with that. Like

00:33:22.900 storm area 51. I mean, that's Joe Rogan's like, like partly responsible for that.

00:33:30.240 Well, and the call to action too. Cause like freedom of speech covers a lot of things,

00:33:33.880 but there are some limitations or some liabilities in regards to specific calls to action.

00:33:39.000 Right. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know. I don't know how to answer that question, but

00:33:43.840 it is an interesting question. But now that we're talking about flying dishwashers, you

00:33:47.940 know, we may need to attack area 51 on your flying washing machine. I'm going to prove

00:33:52.680 that there is a flying dishwasher. I guarantee somebody, no, I guarantee that somebody has

00:33:58.140 already made a flying dishwasher. The rest of you guys, yours, Josh was over there typing

00:34:02.960 away, find the flying dishwasher. He's engineering something. Yeah. All you need is tannerite and

00:34:09.460 tannerite. That's true. That's a good point. That's true. Thank you guys. Thanks brother.

00:34:16.560 Hey guys. Thanks for doing this. Uh, Brian Dunnigan. Uh, so I know you guys are good and

00:34:22.220 the importance of sleep. And I was just wondering, is there any time that you feel like it would

00:34:28.700 be wise or, um, important to get less than optimal sleep? Like for example, myself, I don't

00:34:35.960 have a lot of free time. I find it hard to kind of work on my side hustles or side businesses

00:34:40.360 or whatnot. And thinking, you know, if I can go for a few weeks and just get, you know,

00:34:45.740 whatever, five hours of sleep or whatnot, I feel like I could really make the push to

00:34:49.700 make it happen. Um, just wondering your thoughts on that, or if you guys have experienced any,

00:34:54.440 um, seasons in your life like that, where you've really like sort of made the push in that sense.

00:34:58.520 So, so this is really funny because last night I got back to my hotel and one of my guys was unable

00:35:04.740 to, um, do an upgrade for my client. It started at midnight. So around four thirties when we wrapped

00:35:13.160 up. So yeah, last night it was a good night to not get a full, full sleep. Otherwise I would have

00:35:18.480 missed this. Yeah, man. I remember voluntarily. Yeah. Yeah. Intentionally. Yeah. Well, and, and also

00:35:24.420 that it's, that it, you understand that it's temporary. Right. And so you, again, we go back

00:35:28.620 to boundaries that you put those in place and realize that, Hey, for the next week, I got to

00:35:32.100 burn the candle at both ends because I got to make this deadline or I got this project or we're

00:35:36.880 running this event. I'm, I'm working on less than optimal sleep right now, but it is what it is.

00:35:41.480 Right. Uh, but I also did it when I started order of man, I would, I would, I would do a nine to five.

00:35:46.960 That was my financial planning, like eight to five, I guess. And I would do, I would wake up really early

00:35:52.560 and do two hours before my kids got up. Then I'd spend time with the family. Then I'd go to work.

00:35:59.400 Then I'd do dinner and things like that. Spend some time with the kids and wife. And then I would

00:36:03.240 work for another two hours. So for months I was operating at, but you got to do what you got to do

00:36:08.940 too. Right. Like that's the sacrifice. There's a cost to everything. Even the things that are good,

00:36:15.580 even the things that will enhance your life, there's a decision to be made in a sacrifice that needs to be

00:36:20.300 offered. And sometimes it's sleep and that's okay. That's the cost that needs to be made. So

00:36:25.780 the answer is certainly, yeah, there is. As long as you're deliberate and intentional about it,

00:36:30.580 as long as you understand that this is a temporary thing because sleep, yeah, it truly is his critical

00:36:36.560 component of your health and recovery for sure. The only thing I would add, and we talked about this,

00:36:40.740 there's always a price. Yeah. There's a price for everything. You know, even in, in my industry,

00:36:47.580 when I have an employee that's maybe over a hundred percent utilized billable resource,

00:36:52.060 I immediately, that's a red flag for me. That's not a positive thing. Right. I don't think,

00:36:56.280 oh yeah, awesome. You're burning out. Right. That's not what you want. Right. So I, the only

00:37:02.860 thing I'd make sure that there's a time box of like, okay, I'm willing to do this. Realize that

00:37:09.040 there's a, there's a price that's going to be paid for it, but also realize that, and that price

00:37:15.520 might be your effectiveness. So I always go first in the space of like, how can I be more effective

00:37:21.780 with my time? Like go after that Avenue first, before you start taking away from sleep, because

00:37:27.960 I do think it catches up with you. It really does. But I want to make a distinction too, though. I

00:37:33.560 think we're on the same page. I'll start with that, but there's a distinction between price and cost.

00:37:38.120 And I think we're closer aligned than, than maybe the words we're using and maybe it's semantics,

00:37:43.260 but prices it like this, this computer has a price tag, right? Maybe it's a thousand dollars for the

00:37:50.300 sake of argument. Okay. The cost is really non-existent because of what I've been able to

00:37:56.860 do with this computer. And I've yielded more than a thousand dollars with this tool. Right. So you have

00:38:03.840 to look at it with the same, same thing with sleep, the cost of sleep. Yeah. Maybe you're

00:38:08.420 able to get more done because you have an extra two or three or four hours, but maybe you're less

00:38:12.980 effective at work. And so you do that cost benefit analysis, right? And maybe it's not real scientific,

00:38:18.720 but it's something to consider is all I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks, bro. I appreciate

00:38:23.240 it. Hey guys, Tony's stepping up to the mic here. Uh, what we'll do is it looks like we got Tony and

00:38:29.000 Wes, go ahead and step up to the mic. I think we've got Chris, what? 30 minutes or so. What,

00:38:34.840 what are we doing on time? 30 minutes. So if you guys have questions, we've got Tony and Wes and then

00:38:40.240 feel free to step in line and that way we can get these lined out. Awesome. Thank you guys for this

00:38:45.420 opportunity. And Ryan, thanks for the weekend. It's, it's incredible. So a quick question, uh, on

00:38:51.160 archery, uh, before this weekend, I've shot a compound bow, maybe once or twice. Uh, love doing it out

00:38:57.420 there. Uh, what's a good way to get set up, uh, with, with a good, good setup with a bow. Um,

00:39:04.840 how do you, with all the variables that it seems to be within the bow and the setup of it, uh,

00:39:10.960 what's a good way to do that? Yeah. So I like Hoyt bows cause that's the Hoyt's a sponsor. They

00:39:16.720 believe in what we're doing here. I know there's some Matthews guys in here running around. There's

00:39:20.420 some other guys in here, but you know, find a good, they're all good bows, right? These are,

00:39:24.000 these are good bows. What I would say is two resources. First, find a local bow shop. And

00:39:28.740 there's probably guys, again, to promise point earlier in your circle who are already shooting

00:39:33.340 archery, talk with them about the best shops they go to. Cause if you get yourself into a good archery

00:39:38.700 shop, they're really going to make sure you get all of this stuff taken care of and help you wade

00:39:42.920 through the thousands and thousands of choices on all these little variables. The other resource you

00:39:49.060 need to know about John Dudley knock on TV, he's, he's an amazing archer, an amazing hunter, and he's

00:39:56.020 dedicated his life to teaching people the, the, the skill of, of hunting and archery. So I think between

00:40:02.980 finding your local shop and, and going to knock on TV and listening to the YouTube, YouTube channel

00:40:08.520 he's got going on in his podcast, you're going to get lined out really, really quickly. Cool.

00:40:13.620 That's what I did. I mean, I've got, like I said, Colin introduced me to archery, found a local shop

00:40:18.800 that I really liked. Cause I knew some other guys got tapped into, into, uh, John Dudley's

00:40:24.180 information and I'm off to the races. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks Tony. I'm excited for you, man.

00:40:29.700 It's cool. We'll have to shoot together. Hey guys, Wes McWhorter. Um, I just want to echo what Tony

00:40:34.700 said. Really grateful for this opportunity this weekend and the time and energy you guys put into

00:40:38.800 together. Um, so one of the things I enjoy about being in the iron council

00:40:43.300 is the monthly challenges, uh, the reading lists, things like that. Um, and one of the

00:40:47.640 books that like just lit my life up recently was iron John. Right. Yeah. And the themes

00:40:52.360 that are present in that definitely. So I have an 11 year old son and his mom and I split

00:40:58.780 up this year. So the way our custody arrangement is, um, organized, it's like a week with her

00:41:03.860 and a week with me, which is great, you know? Um, but as you know, he continues to grow

00:41:08.420 up, um, I am looking for ways to, you know, uh, I guess an iron John, they talk a lot about

00:41:14.200 initiation and rites of passage and things like that. Um, he and I started a little lawn

00:41:18.980 care business together this summer, which I thought was, you know, sort of a step in the

00:41:22.380 right direction. Um, but as we talked about that, whether it's in our battle teams or,

00:41:26.800 or, um, even like in the podcast episodes, um, I've always kind of like just been a little

00:41:32.180 bit curious about how I could continue to sort of develop that, that relationship with

00:41:37.700 him deep in that relationship. Um, I mean, I have an 18 year old daughter too, that I'm

00:41:41.860 continuing to try and like, you know, build that, um, relationship with her, but, uh, uh,

00:41:46.560 but specifically with my son, you know, I just wonder if you guys could talk a little bit

00:41:49.560 about, you know, ideas for rites of passage or initiation and things like that.

00:41:54.040 Yeah. I've got some ideas and I'll share those with you, but I think I'd like to defer

00:41:57.860 Kip to you on this. Cause I think this situation may be a little closer to home for you and you

00:42:01.640 might have some more insight that I'm, I'm just not familiar with.

00:42:05.360 Yeah. I gotta go first.

00:42:07.700 Yeah. I know it's hard when you, when you don't have me to, to hide behind. Yeah. Um,

00:42:13.860 you and your flying dishwashers. Holy cow. Josh, did you find it yet? Podcasts going to

00:42:19.220 shit. I guess if you want it done, you have to do everything yourself. I'll find it later

00:42:27.620 this afternoon. Right there. Look, flying dishwasher. Drawing. No, that is, that's not a

00:42:35.360 drawing. That's like the schematics. That's the engineering. That's the blueprint. I see it. It is

00:42:39.900 possible. Yeah. A bird, like wing on a dishwasher. Okay. Um, I actually, I think it,

00:42:48.740 it ties to you doing the lawn care with your son. It's your guys's thing. So whatever that is,

00:42:55.840 and, and it's going to go away, right? I'm, I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming it

00:43:00.200 goes away after summer, the lawn care business. We move deep into winter in New Orleans. Okay.

00:43:05.560 Perfect. So, so it's going to be, you're going to need something else. That's yours.

00:43:09.960 Something that is you, yours and his and no one else's. And I, and I actually love the idea of

00:43:17.980 the lawn care business. I, my two boys are, one of them's like, Oh, I want to start a t-shirt company.

00:43:25.100 Let's do it. I'll show you how to set up the site. We'll create some logos. I, I'm completely content

00:43:31.600 if it flops on its faces and highly unsuccessful. That's not the point. The point is that we're working

00:43:38.360 on something together that he's trying, he's drudging through it, right? I think coaching

00:43:42.820 does that. You, you kind of have a special bond with your son when you're coaching his team a

00:43:46.820 little bit. You might look, I lean on the tendency to be maybe a little too hard on him, but it was,

00:43:51.740 it was almost our team that made sense, right? I'd have that side conversation. Hey, I really need

00:43:57.080 you to help one of these other guys out. You know what I mean? And I made him part of it. So whatever it

00:44:01.680 is that you can create that he's part of. And I think that's one of the benefits of the rites of

00:44:05.960 passage. Ryan's alluded to this in the past of they have conversations that are private. That's

00:44:11.840 part of that. That's between you and him. So as much as you can create something that's unique

00:44:17.040 between that relationship that no one else is part of, but the two of you, I think is awesome.

00:44:22.620 And, and I would say physical things that, um, that manifests or remind them of those things,

00:44:28.840 right? Whether it be a knife or a gun or something tangible that represents your, your brotherhood

00:44:35.520 with each other. I'm going to be upset if you and your son don't make the flying Washington

00:44:40.560 t-shirt. I'm very, very disappointed. And if you do that, the business will not fail.

00:44:45.400 Yeah. The name of the company will be flying dishwashers.

00:44:50.880 Um, there's a, there's a friend of mine who, uh, Jim Shields is his name. He wrote a book called

00:44:56.580 family board meeting. Are you guys familiar with this family board meeting? A few of you.

00:45:00.400 Yeah. I would highly encourage you. It's a, it's a short little read and I would highly

00:45:05.020 encourage you pick that up. Uh, it has elements of a rite of passage, but it's the way that it's

00:45:11.040 built is how to forge a connection, how to foster leadership in your, not just some, but your daughter

00:45:16.820 as well, just your leadership in general and forging a deeper bond, but letting them have

00:45:21.680 some ownership of it. And I think that's really important in the rite of passage. The business

00:45:26.220 stuff is great. Uh, but there might not be as much ownership maybe unless it's really

00:45:32.300 their idea. Um, we've done that with Brecken with the, uh, the store orders and things like

00:45:37.880 that. But that, I mean that there may not be quite as much ownership and I try to give

00:45:41.740 more and more authority to him. So he has that ownership of it. So I do like the business idea,

00:45:46.460 but I also like periodic rituals. You know, I know you get, you're traveling around the country.

00:45:51.540 I mean, I can't think of a better place or a better opportunity than to take him along on

00:45:56.440 one of these adventures and climb a peak together or, you know, do some, some, uh, cycling trail.

00:46:02.960 That's, that's difficult that not everybody does. Like these are perfect opportunities and

00:46:07.820 you're primed to do that. I can't imagine that. Did you say he's 11 as an 11 year old boy to hang

00:46:13.060 out with his dad on the road for a week and drive around in that RV from campground to campground.

00:46:18.140 And we're hiking and we're doing all this and we're having conversations about life and what

00:46:23.400 it means to be a boy and how to transition to a man. And I really agree with what Kip said is having

00:46:28.620 some sort of physical representation of the learning or the experience. Uh, maybe he earns or earns a

00:46:35.460 bike or, um, and I know those are thousands of dollars, but maybe it's something not, maybe it's

00:46:40.540 a, maybe it's a shirt. Maybe you guys have a new, um, I don't know the terms cause I, I don't really

00:46:46.020 ride bikes, but like a new shirt, like, like I look at, it looks like a rash guard to me. Okay.

00:46:51.100 So you have a new rash guard that you're wearing and it's just for you and you have it designed

00:46:55.680 special. It's got your name on the back and it has little element design elements in it that are

00:47:00.080 important to you. And that's what you guys wear on the ride together. And nobody else has that.

00:47:05.500 These are really cool things that you can incorporate to what you're already doing.

00:47:08.840 And it wouldn't be foreign to you. Right. It wouldn't be, it would, frankly, it wouldn't

00:47:12.920 be all that hard to you, but it would be significant to him. It'd be very, very meaningful to him.

00:47:17.720 And statistically, by the way, most of the things that our kids remember are the things

00:47:21.560 that we repetitively did. So look for rituals, even from that level, right? My boys first snowfall,

00:47:29.480 believe it or not, we actually take off our clothes, get in our underwear and we go in the

00:47:33.500 backyard and we do snow angels. I have no idea why. Actually, I knew, my older brother told me

00:47:41.360 when I was little, he's like, if we do this first snowfall, you'll never get a cold. And so I did

00:47:46.140 it as I was a kid. It was like a Bonnie. And so, I don't know, being a reckless father, I was like,

00:47:50.740 hey, I'll do that with my kids. Right. But, but it's fun and it's funny and it's a little bit

00:47:56.300 unreasonable and awesome. You know, and they remember that kind of stuff.

00:48:01.200 Cool. Thank you guys. You bet. You bet. Cool.

00:48:07.460 How's it going? Caleb Oliver. And thank you guys for what you guys do. And everyone here that showed

00:48:11.860 up and supporting you guys. Thank you, by the way, too. I know I told you before, you guys,

00:48:16.360 Caleb did the electrical in here and volunteered his time to come out and help support us and what

00:48:21.040 we're doing here. So thank you for that. Thank you. My question is, and I know probably it's same

00:48:25.920 for a lot of guys in our total vision, we're going to, in the process, achieve a certain

00:48:31.760 degree of financial success and, or success in any way. And so how do you, when you're raising

00:48:39.220 your kids, your family, and they don't have, and you're, I think what, what molds a lot of

00:48:44.220 the men here was, was their struggle to get to where they are. And that's why they're,

00:48:47.780 they're the integrity. So I see a lot of kids that their parents hand them their success and

00:48:52.800 they lose the integrity. Yeah. So how do you guys, what was your advice for any men here

00:48:58.420 that'll be parents or our parents to not spoil the kid?

00:49:02.420 Yeah. I mean, I look, go back to Breck and he earns his money. Like he, he's an, he's an

00:49:07.700 employee, like he works. Right. So it's not like I give him that money. He goes in there

00:49:12.240 and he busts it. And, and, and sometimes I have to push him and prod him a little harder

00:49:15.920 than other times to get in there and do the orders, but he earns that. And, and he's part

00:49:20.880 of this. And my other kids are part of this. This is not something where it's, oh, it's

00:49:24.740 dad's project or dad's work. This is our life. And so they're out mowing lawns and they're

00:49:30.780 cleaning the house and they're doing chores and they're shipping orders and they're involved

00:49:35.740 deeply and not just the benefit of the process, but how would I say it? The,

00:49:42.240 the harder side of it, right? The behind the scenes that a lot of people don't see the

00:49:45.820 work they're, they're involved in the work and it doesn't really feel like work. We're

00:49:50.740 all doing it together, but that's the best advice I can give is just allow them to experience

00:49:55.760 the same things. You can manufacture hardship too. And I think there's definitely value to

00:50:00.080 that, whether it's going out and running a race together, uh, you know, doing it, doing

00:50:04.300 a 5k or a 10k or doing some of these rites of passages, which I've done with Breck and I've

00:50:09.660 done a couple and my second son I've done one with where we manufacture that hardship.

00:50:14.340 So they experience it and they see what it's like. So that when they get punched in the

00:50:19.020 face, it's not like the end of the world. Cause they've been there before, right? Like

00:50:23.980 I think about that in jujitsu is some of you guys did jujitsu for the first time. How many

00:50:28.760 of you were like, God, get off me. And like freaking out. Cause a dude's hanging on you.

00:50:33.080 Right. Those who have done jujitsu for a while, it still might be uncomfortable, but they can

00:50:38.500 live with it. They can, they can suffer through that because they know it's not the end of

00:50:42.420 the world and it is what it is. Right. But you've got to be exposed to that hardship and

00:50:47.160 exposing your children to that hardship is valuable as well.

00:50:49.460 Yeah. The only things I would add, I would add more to the issue if we don't. Right. You,

00:50:56.380 you mentioned integrity, delayed gratification, right? That's so tied to ADHD. It's ridiculous.

00:51:01.860 Stimulus, right? Constant stimulus, right? I don't know how to grind through or your kids

00:51:07.360 may never experience the beauty joy of working all day long and having to be miserable and

00:51:13.680 fighting their mind of like, this sucks. Why am I out here? Whatever. And then walking

00:51:17.640 into the house at the end of a hard day and going, man, that felt good. Right. If you don't

00:51:22.860 create it. So I think the impact is way bigger if we don't manufacture and create these environments

00:51:30.860 by which our kids, you know, learn how to work, uh, in, in essence. And, and it, and it's funny

00:51:36.460 because I've joked around with some friends of mine, you know, cause we, we talk about this,

00:51:39.700 right? Like I was growing, I was raised on a dairy farm. Guess what? I don't want to do

00:51:44.460 live on a dairy farm, right? Like, no, thank you. I want to live a comfortable life. Well,

00:51:50.840 guess what that does? Is that prime environment for my kids? Probably not. If, if I was probably

00:51:58.920 going to create the best environment for my kids, I'd move out to Maine and start a dairy farm

00:52:03.980 because that'd probably be best for my kids to be frank, but we're selfish as parents. And we're

00:52:09.280 like, we want to look comfortable and you know what I mean? And then we'd drag, drag our kids along

00:52:13.180 and they're, they get spoiled because of it. So we, we have to create that unless we're all willing

00:52:18.000 to move up here and start milking cows. Sounds good to me. Yeah. I know. I think, I think the other

00:52:24.640 thing too, Caleb is connecting the dots. So the, the reason I like being here so much is because,

00:52:33.040 and, and, and even just this business and this organization and movement is because they see

00:52:38.860 everything. I don't leave for nine hours a day. And then all of a sudden there's food on the table.

00:52:45.540 That's a good point, right? They see everything. And I think what we fail to do sometimes is connect

00:52:52.160 the dots between the benefit, the reward and the effort. And it's our job as parents or mentors

00:52:58.740 or coaches or whatever capacity leaders, uh, bosses, employers to connect the dots between,

00:53:04.800 Hey, that's why hunting is so valuable to me is because you go out and earn it. Like it just doesn't

00:53:11.200 show up. You don't go to the grocery store and just, and, and buy it. And it's like magically there

00:53:16.720 and it tastes delicious. No, you, you go out and you scout, you know, we've got cameras out there

00:53:22.180 right now. I mean, we're scouting now and we spend time in the woods and we, and we're cold and we're

00:53:27.260 tired and we're hungry at times. And then we shoot an animal and then it's not even over then.

00:53:32.220 Cause then you need to break it down and you need to clean it and you need to process it. And,

00:53:36.620 and then you, and then you, then it's cooked right. And prepared. And so they see the entire process.

00:53:41.900 And the more that we, as men can pull back the curtain for our kids and say, it's not just a

00:53:46.320 paycheck because that's just ones and zeros, right? They don't see everything else that goes

00:53:52.200 behind that. But when they see dad out here working for 12 hours a day, trying to bust out

00:53:57.200 walls with a 15 pound sledgehammer. And I say, the reason we do this is so that we can enjoy today,

00:54:03.340 this experience. And they come out here and they see these 60 guys here. They don't just think you

00:54:08.480 guys miraculously showed up in this barn just erected itself. They're like, I remember all

00:54:13.940 the work that we did to get to this point. So they're deeply connected between effort and result.

00:54:20.440 And that's very, very important. We live in a society that gets everything handed to them

00:54:26.000 without having to do any of it because heaven forbid somebody gets left out or left behind

00:54:31.380 or feels a little bad. That's not how we do it here. And I think that's, what's going to set

00:54:36.260 our kids up for success? Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, brother.

00:54:44.520 What's up, guys? Cody Anakin here. What you've built is absolutely amazing.

00:54:51.620 And my question is, it is, solid. But it's amazing. You've got 60 plus guys from all around

00:55:01.040 the country, came out to your home. And my question is, how? And what are your top three

00:55:10.960 things to build a brand that people would want to follow and be a part of?

00:55:17.200 Okay. So let me just think here for a second. This is a very good question.

00:55:21.220 The first thing is, there's a lot of people out there, especially on Instagram and some of these

00:55:28.500 social media platforms. It's like, buy my product, buy my service. I'll teach you how to make millions

00:55:32.180 in the next whatever. The problem is, is that you're, and I talked about this earlier, you're

00:55:38.220 gaming it. And so what you're doing is you're finding a market that you may not resonate with.

00:55:45.920 You're using words that really aren't yours. You're using somebody else's systems and processes.

00:55:51.980 And I think there's something to be said for reinventing the wheel to some degree. I'm not

00:55:56.040 saying everything needs to be reinvented, but there's something to be said for creating something

00:56:00.780 that nobody else has created before. And that's what we're doing here. There's other people who are

00:56:05.440 doing things that are similar, but we've done enough difference where we stand out because of that.

00:56:10.400 And the other benefit of it is that I'm you. I'm every single one of you, every single one of you

00:56:18.940 that has gone through experiences and life and hardships and challenges. That's me. I'm my best

00:56:25.460 customer, if you will. So I don't have to wonder about what you would be interested in because I

00:56:30.480 know what you're interested in because you and me are the same, right? I might be a little stronger

00:56:35.160 in some things. You might be a little stronger in some things, but we're the same.

00:56:40.400 A lot of things. What is he saying?

00:56:42.820 Where you're like, I might be a little bit stronger. I'm like...

00:56:45.180 In things.

00:56:47.120 Oh, okay.

00:56:48.380 All right. Maybe not carrying Atlas stones or lifting weights, but in things.

00:56:54.380 But the point I'm making here is that there's like this idea of the avatar, right? Find your

00:57:00.040 avatar, whoever that is. That should be you. Then there's no disconnect. There's that adage of

00:57:05.580 if you never lie, you don't have to remember what you said, right? If you tell the truth,

00:57:11.600 you never have to worry about what I said to you and then what I told Kip and then what I told Anthony.

00:57:16.240 It's all the same because I told the truth. I was an integrity the entire time.

00:57:20.340 So I found a way to give me what I would want and what I actually want. You guys may not realize

00:57:27.660 this, but I'm inspired and uplifted and edified by you just as much as maybe you... And maybe more

00:57:34.200 so than you are by me. The other part of this... So again, let me just recap some of those. So

00:57:40.520 serving yourself in a way, like being your own best customer is really important.

00:57:48.000 Having integrity across the board and your words and actions is very important.

00:57:51.560 And then also finding something in society that's wrong. If money wasn't an issue,

00:57:59.420 what problems would you be solving? What injustices are happening around the world

00:58:06.460 that you can fix? Guys, when I talk about being there for kids and your kids and raising them and

00:58:15.640 being connected with your spouse and all the things I talk about is because, man, as a child,

00:58:21.560 I wish I would have been the dad that I strive to be now. I wish I would have had that dad,

00:58:26.640 I should have said. And that's an injustice to me. That's a problem. And I'm deeply connected with

00:58:31.800 that problem. So when I see a young boy or girl growing up without a father, I think that's a

00:58:37.160 travesty. I think that's a real shame and a failure on men in society. And I'm so deeply connected with

00:58:45.800 that, that I can get through the hard days and the challenges and the long days because that's

00:58:51.560 greater than any pain that I experience as I'm building this thing. And it is painful at times,

00:58:55.840 guys. It sucks at times. There's times I don't want to do an event or make a post or do a podcast

00:59:02.180 or tear down a barn. There's times I don't want to do that, but I do it because that injustice

00:59:07.100 powers me. So what injustice empowers you? I know a little bit about what you do because we shared

00:59:14.120 yesterday, but tap into why that's so important. Real estate, millions and millions of people can

00:59:22.680 say that. We were talking about that last night. But what is it about real estate? Is it the American

00:59:27.920 dream? Did you grow up without a house? Did you bounce from place to place? Have you seen people

00:59:32.620 who grew up or who are homeless and you think that home ownership is the value in that? Was your dad

00:59:41.560 sucked away from you and so he never created a residual income and so he had to be out in the

00:59:45.960 workforce and couldn't be there for you? That can all be tied back into what you're doing with real

00:59:50.120 estate. When you find what that is and it's deeply connected, you won't have to ask questions

00:59:55.860 about how do I market this, right? Because you'll just share your story and you'll do it long enough

01:00:01.420 that you start making a difference. And that's all it is, is I've been consistent. I see guys,

01:00:05.920 there's guys in here who have talked to me about wanting to start something similar to what we've

01:00:09.500 done. And guys that started the same time, they're not even on the map because they gave up a long

01:00:14.680 time ago because whatever and why ever they were doing or wanted to be involved in it wasn't strong

01:00:20.140 enough to keep them going. I don't think ill of those individuals. I just think this wasn't the

01:00:24.320 path. If it was, they'd still be on it. Yeah. And for the guys in this event, right,

01:00:29.100 we've talked about this yesterday. This is, this is a vision that moves, touch and inspires you.

01:00:36.120 That's what that does. It gives you purpose. And then obviously do we think Ryan's driven

01:00:41.480 in regards to growing this movement without a doubt because he had, it's clear and it inspires him.

01:00:49.560 So figure out what that is. And the only other thing I'd add is from a business perspective,

01:00:53.480 that's your unique selling proposition. When you start something, your brand, what's unique? Why

01:00:59.980 are you different than everybody else? Figure that out. The one, the one other thing I would say is

01:01:06.180 community is critical. It's very easy to serve one client at a time. And if I was at, that's all I was

01:01:12.180 doing. We wouldn't have you guys here. And anytime that I was gone or inside with my family, you guys

01:01:18.080 would be all pissed off because Ryan wasn't out here. I don't think anybody probably really felt

01:01:23.280 like that. Like there's probably times where I wasn't physically present, but I didn't, I wasn't

01:01:27.960 even missed. And although that might sting on the ego a little bit, it's actually pretty cool to know

01:01:33.540 that, you know what? Kip's here. Anthony's here. All these guys are here to support and uplift and,

01:01:41.240 and I don't need to do it all. The community keeps it going. I don't think I could turn this thing

01:01:45.920 off if I wanted to. Like if I, if I said one day, Hey guys, I'm done, I'm out. No more Facebook

01:01:52.140 group, no more events, no more iron council. I don't think it would stop. I think somebody would

01:01:59.000 pick up the mantle, whether it was Kip or Bubba or whoever else it was, and, and just keep running

01:02:03.300 with it. That's because it's a community. It's not, well, you got order of man on your shirt. It's not

01:02:09.800 order of Ryan. It's order of man, men, us collectively. I remind him of that all the

01:02:16.560 time too. It's not all him. This is not order Ryan. Does that help, man? Yes, it does. Right on.

01:02:23.200 Cool. Appreciate it. Yeah. Okay. Last, last question here. And then we got to wrap things up and get

01:02:27.580 moving. Uh, thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate your leadership. And, uh, Ryan, thank you to you and

01:02:32.760 your bride for the hospitality and, um, made it very personable and real. Good. Um, I've been in

01:02:38.360 corporate America for a long time, um, had the entrepreneurial itch for a long time. And, um,

01:02:44.520 you just mentioned a little while ago about doing both. So at what point do you have like a criteria

01:02:50.200 or framework you use to decide, um, while you're dual hatting it, the financial and the order of man,

01:02:56.260 um, to make that jump, to make that leap to, uh, go forward with order of man as a sole

01:03:03.840 earnings income approach. Yeah. Let me caveat with this. Um,

01:03:10.760 because a lot of people won't tell the truth about this. I just don't jump in head first and

01:03:14.780 don't worry about anything else. I was just going to say, I'll answer it for Ryan. Burn the,

01:03:17.900 the ships is what he'll say. Guys, I think that's stupid. I think it's, it's ill-advised at best.

01:03:25.180 Um, I think it's not honest to tell people to do that because most people didn't do that. So let

01:03:31.000 me tell you with me, um, in my financial planning practice, I had built up over nearly a decade,

01:03:38.140 a lot of residual income, which gave me the luxury of being able to step back and transition

01:03:44.900 in a way that really didn't impact my family financially all that much. I realized not

01:03:50.940 everybody's in that situation, right? It would be nice if we were all in that situation, but not

01:03:55.100 everybody's there. I want to caveat with that because I don't want to tell you something that

01:03:58.980 didn't really apply in my situation. So with that said, if there's ways now that you can build up,

01:04:04.800 this goes for everybody here, a way to, to build some residual income. So you're not solely trading

01:04:10.860 your time for money. Then that's a good first step because that affords you the luxury of being able

01:04:17.380 to dive into something else. That's meaningful, important. I also had an asset that I could sell

01:04:22.060 the business, which I did sell. And that created a pool of money for me to draw on that I could use

01:04:28.940 as I was building this up. So I had a lot of those things. That's not luck. I built that,

01:04:35.240 right? So I'm not taking that away from myself. I built that, but it gave me the luxury to be able

01:04:40.420 to do this in a more seamless manner. That said, here's what I would do. If you're burning the candle

01:04:46.220 at both ends and you're doing both things, which at times you should, and you will need to,

01:04:51.380 you've got to get to a point where you cover your expenses with your new venture. Not your,

01:04:58.240 not replace your current lifestyle, but replace your expenses, which should be ideally significantly

01:05:04.360 less. So that's what a lot of guys will do is they'll say, well, I need this lifestyle.

01:05:08.040 You know what? If you really wanted it, you'd cut your lifestyle in half so that you could make

01:05:12.380 this actually work. So two things from a practicality standpoint, when you get to the

01:05:19.160 point where you're replacing your expenses with your new venture, that may be a time where you are

01:05:24.100 ready to step out on your own and do the thing. And, or maybe you're not replacing your expenses with

01:05:31.980 your new venture, but you have enough money set aside and saved in reserves to float you until you

01:05:39.600 will based on your current trajectory. So let's just throw some numbers out there. Again,

01:05:44.460 we'll use easy math. And for the sake of argument, let's say that you have $3,000 a month worth of

01:05:51.440 expenses, but you're only generating $2,000 a month in your current venture, but you're trending to make

01:05:59.900 3,000 over a 12 month period. That means that you would need to have $12,000 in reserves,

01:06:08.080 a thousand dollar difference every single month to get you to that 12 month 12, where the income

01:06:13.720 would be replaced. Does that make sense? Just throwing numbers out there, but the concept is

01:06:18.080 there. So I, again, practicality when your expenses are replaced with the new income and, or you have

01:06:25.720 enough money to float you until they will be, what would you add? Minimal viable product. We've talked

01:06:33.020 about this. Like we have a tendency sometimes to think like, okay, and I always use the car analogy,

01:06:38.540 but I want to sell Ferraris and, and we have the tendency to think I need to build a Ferrari for me

01:06:44.420 to start my business. Or I'll use a, I use this example with someone I was talking to. I have a

01:06:47.820 good friend. Um, he's a black belt in American kickboxing and Muay Thai. Right. And so he's like,

01:06:53.960 Kip, I want to open up a school. He is dead set on this idea that he needs a brick and mortar

01:06:59.200 building. He has to have all his equipment and then he's going to market it. And people are going

01:07:05.400 to be flooding in and he'll start his business. And I'll use his name. And I told, dude, Corey,

01:07:11.160 no, it's not going to work. You go down to the neighborhood where you want your future store.

01:07:17.080 You go to the rec center, you put a little poster in the window and you say, kickboxing classes,

01:07:22.800 Tuesday nights for two hours. And you do that first and you confirm, is there even an interest?

01:07:29.200 Is there even a market in this area for your skillset and for this service? Validate it,

01:07:34.200 get a following. At that point, he could get 50 guys coming to his class. He starts getting enough

01:07:38.480 students to get some residual income. And then he can say, okay, now we're going to upgrade and have

01:07:42.660 a school on the corner of the road. But if you go and just throw all that money into building the

01:07:48.140 Ferrari or building the school without testing the market and having a minimal viable product,

01:07:53.960 it doesn't matter how awesome it is. If there's not a market for it, there's not a market for it.

01:07:58.520 So figure out what that minimal viable product is. And one of the examples, and I'm sure we've

01:08:03.020 already shared this, is like, it's not the first half of the Ferrari car and non-functional.

01:08:10.720 A minimal viable product is a skateboard. Then it's a bike. And then it's a Geo Metro.

01:08:18.280 Is that an old car? You remember this? I'm old. Okay. A Geo Metro. And then eventually it's a Ferrari,

01:08:23.700 right? But it's not part of a Ferrari. Geo Metro straight to Ferrari?

01:08:28.240 Well, okay. Bad analogy. But do you get my point? No, it's a good analogy.

01:08:33.020 Right. It needs to be functional. Get someone from point A to point B. That is the minimal

01:08:38.040 viable product. You improve it later after you improve the market.

01:08:41.920 I think that's one of the problems with social media is like, think about even this weekend.

01:08:46.980 I've seen you guys, you're posting pictures on social media. The barn looks great. Everything else,

01:08:50.360 people look at it and they're like, oh, I want to do that. Right. I want to have that.

01:08:53.460 What they didn't see is all the other stuff. Like if you went upstairs and saw my podcast studio,

01:08:58.520 you really frankly wouldn't be all that impressed. There's still pink wallpaper up there. I got to

01:09:03.100 peel that down. Right. If you saw my previous podcast studio, I'm using studio very, very liberally.

01:09:12.040 It's my guest bedroom in the basement of our previous home. And so I had this little corner

01:09:20.520 with an old steel desk and an inexpensive microphone and a computer. I mean, the thing

01:09:27.580 cost me probably between the microphone, I mean, maybe a thousand, maybe, maybe a thousand dollars

01:09:33.360 to get everything set up. You don't, Instagram is going to tell you that it has to be,

01:09:39.320 everything has to be perfect. That I have to have like the $4,000 microphone set up with

01:09:44.360 a video camera and then this and that. And you don't, it just needs to be functional and

01:09:49.640 make it work.

01:09:51.980 And don't get us wrong. We're not saying throw out poor quality stuff. Like you do that,

01:09:56.640 but not at the expense of like falling flat on your face and throwing all your money and timing

01:10:01.220 is something that may not even work. So it's, it is a balance, right? Cause I don't think Ryan,

01:10:06.200 you catch corners, right? Like everything you do, you're like, Hey, this needs to be the best

01:10:10.220 possible way, right? For where I was in the moment. Exactly. And we talked about that vision

01:10:15.320 evolves, right? It grows and expands and what you're capable of gets, gets greater. Like this

01:10:20.940 barn, this barn's amazing, right? What is this? This is a minimal viable product to some extent.

01:10:27.080 I doubt five years from now, this barn's not, it's going to look drastically different,

01:10:31.660 right? Ryan didn't wait until the barn is exactly how we want it to be to have this event,

01:10:37.940 right? He could have this event with the barn at this standard, confirm that anyone even wants to

01:10:45.060 fly to Maine, right? And, and try it out. And then, you know what I mean? Then he turns around and

01:10:53.100 builds it up even more. And I, and I can tell you, I've already got my eye on the prize. I mean,

01:10:56.840 there's things, look, I look at this back wall, that's coming down. I look at this floor,

01:11:00.480 that's got to be pulled up. I got to put rails on everything. I got a new lighting I want to do.

01:11:05.040 I want to turn upstairs into a podcast studio. So I'm already thinking about what else is coming,

01:11:09.760 which is hard because then I have to reconcile that with how do I invite the guys here knowing

01:11:14.340 that I, what I see in my mind, like if I could show you what I had in my mind, you guys would be

01:11:19.960 significantly more impressed. So it's hard at times to reconcile what we want ultimately for,

01:11:25.960 okay, this is going to do. I mean, look at this, look at this podcast. These, these barrels were

01:11:31.360 downstairs. These were downstairs. I think it's kind of cool, but it's, it's, it was free. I didn't go

01:11:37.640 out and invest a bunch of money into this stuff. It was there and I use it and it looks cool, but it

01:11:43.380 works. There's, there's also much in this barn analogy, but I love this. Is why are you guys here

01:11:49.580 for the barn? Yeah, good point. Maybe, maybe some of them are. That's why I came. I was like,

01:11:56.540 I got to see this barn, but you're not here for the barn, right? Just like my buddy, Corey,

01:12:02.120 people aren't there for the school, for the way the walls look in the school. They're there for the

01:12:07.080 training, right? So, you know, be present, right? To what it is that you are selling and not everything

01:12:15.220 has to be exactly like final product, right? For you to get there. Great. Thank you. You're

01:12:20.360 welcome. All right, guys, Chris is looking at me mean, uh, which means that we got to wrap things

01:12:24.980 up. Kip, tell us how for those, it's my piece of paper. Yeah. You got to do without a piece of paper

01:12:29.580 now. So tell the guys how they can connect with us, learn more about what we're doing. Yeah. So

01:12:33.800 here's the, here's the deal. Like, do we even clarify on this podcast that we're all in Maine and

01:12:38.960 what this event was, or we just kind of assume that a little bit, right? So if you want to know

01:12:43.960 about future events with order of man, if you want to be part of this movement, guys,

01:12:48.900 you first, you need to be on the Facebook group. Um, so then that way you get notified of future

01:12:53.920 events, um, updates from, from Ryan and join that conversation with like-minded mid in that,

01:13:00.300 in that space. And then as a lot of you guys know, we roughly, what's our percentage gaps go on iron

01:13:05.540 council members in here? It's pretty substantial, 65% iron council members here in Maine. Um,

01:13:12.520 hopefully you guys today, like that joined us that are kind of order of man guys, sorry to

01:13:18.080 classify you. Um, tell us how you really feel about the order of man guys. Oh, I'm sure you've

01:13:23.820 already listened to the podcast. So you already know the Facebook guys are a different breed.

01:13:28.460 Okay. So, but here's the deal, hopefully, and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but hopefully you guys

01:13:35.820 notice a difference in this group, a difference in this group that is, is different than what you

01:13:42.860 typically experience even on that Facebook group, right? The guys this weekend wearing these orange

01:13:48.040 bands on the wrists are iron council members. The only difference between them and you is the fact

01:13:56.120 that they're committed to being on the path. You know, we, we talked about this yesterday in,

01:14:02.820 in length, right? There's the, we had this tendency to be like, Oh yeah, I want to, I want to improve,

01:14:08.800 but we're not being intentional about what that looks like. And that's one thing I can definitely

01:14:13.680 say about the iron council. Those guys are being intentional. They're putting money in. First of

01:14:19.020 all, they're committing from that perspective. But to be frank, the, the commitment from a financial

01:14:23.240 perspective, join the iron council is the least of your commitments. Once you join a team and your

01:14:28.540 team's holding you accountable to honoring your word and doing what you said you would do

01:14:33.740 and you holding them accountable, that's way more work than the fee. I don't even know what the fee

01:14:39.040 200 bucks. It's joking. You know, you get my point. So there, and if you're ready to get on the court

01:14:49.980 and you want that level of accountability, then you can learn more about the iron council at

01:14:53.640 order of man.com slash iron council. Backslash. Backslash. No, it's not actually. It's a forward

01:14:59.260 slash and there's a big difference. What do you guys think? Uh, my show of hands, raise your hand

01:15:06.400 if it's a backslash. Oh my dear Lord. That's it. I thought there'd be more. Raise your hand if it's a

01:15:13.840 forward slash forward slash. Yeah. Backslash forward slash. 80% of people are always wrong.

01:15:21.720 It's probably true, but not in this instance. All right, guys, we're going to wrap it up.

01:15:25.440 Appreciate you guys. We got, oh, sorry. We got to follow Ryan Mickler. Oh yeah. That'd be good.

01:15:29.780 At Ryan Mickler at Twitter and Instagram. All right, guys, we're going to wrap it up. We'll call it

01:15:34.120 quits on the recording. We got more to do here live, but until then go out there, take action,

01:15:38.840 become a man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:15:42.600 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

01:15:47.180 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - August 14, 2019

Live from the Maine Event ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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