Order of Man - Living Life on Your Terms

00:00:00.000 It's not a surprise to you that there is so much noise and nonsense that attempts to engage our

00:00:05.480 focus and keeps us distracted from the things that truly matter. And if you're one of the

00:00:10.140 few men who has actually taken the time to identify what you really want,

00:00:14.640 that doesn't necessarily make things any easier. Today, I'm joined by former Navy SEAL and lead

00:00:20.180 instructor with Echelon Front, JP Danelle. We talk about the importance of consistency

00:00:24.860 towards your goals, why flexibility in training is critical, how to eliminate the things that keep

00:00:31.400 you from meaning and significance, and living life on your terms. You're a man of action. You live

00:00:37.280 life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down,

00:00:42.760 you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient,

00:00:49.300 strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:00:56.360 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:00.840 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am glad to be joining you here

00:01:05.560 on this wonderful Tuesday. I hope all is going well for you. It certainly is for me, and certainly it is

00:01:10.860 for Order of Man. I mean, I can't even begin to describe how much we have grown over the past

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00:01:47.760 man, it's my goal to equip you with what you need to improve and to enhance your life. And a big part

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00:03:33.760 All right, guys, enough of that. Let's get onto this conversation today. I'm excited. As

00:03:37.340 you know, we have JP Danell on. Over the past, I would say four to six weeks, we've had just

00:03:43.040 about the entire Echelon front team on, and I couldn't be more excited about this conversation

00:03:48.040 today. Very real, very raw. It's just a great and powerful conversation. JP spent nearly a

00:03:54.820 decade with the SEAL teams, with Leif and Jocko, and of course, so many others. He served in three

00:04:00.160 combat deployments, with his most recent being with task unit Bruiser and Ramadi under the command of

00:04:05.080 Jocko. And there he served as a point man. He was a machine gunner and also the lead sniper for Delta

00:04:10.780 Platoon, which was opposite of Chris Kyle. And then upon getting back from Iraq, he helped build and

00:04:17.860 enhance the SEAL training programs into the effective programs that they are today. But since then,

00:04:23.000 he's gone on to become a lead instructor with Echelon front and his goal. And of course,

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00:04:33.120 guys sit back, enjoy the conversation with JP. JP, what's up brother? Thanks for joining me on the

00:04:40.000 show. Thank you very much. It's been a long time in the works though, huh? It has. It's probably been a

00:04:44.000 couple of months. More than that, bro. I had to pin you guys down all in one place to get ahold of all

00:04:48.200 you guys because we've interviewed Jocko this week. Leif will be later. Dave Burke was a couple of

00:04:52.700 weeks ago. You're going to introduce me to somebody else and we got you to capital off.

00:04:56.800 Sounds good. Yeah. I saved the best for last, right?

00:04:59.140 Yeah. The other guy that comes on. No, you.

00:05:03.420 Oh man. No, this is going to be good, man. That's a lot of fun. How long have you been

00:05:06.060 doing jujitsu for?

00:05:07.860 So I just started doing gi jujitsu in April. Oh, is that right?

00:05:11.820 My wife and I, we moved our family out to the Dallas-Fort Worth area in February. And

00:05:17.860 then I found a gym in like March timeframe, end of March. And then we started training there

00:05:22.480 in April. Okay.

00:05:24.080 Gi jujitsu.

00:05:24.540 But you were doing no gi for a while?

00:05:25.860 Yeah, I did. So yes and no. I did no gi jujitsu to learn jujitsu defense for MMA.

00:05:33.800 Oh, okay.

00:05:33.860 So when I got out of the military, as I was transitioning into the civilian side, I started doing MMA.

00:05:39.100 And yeah, of course, you've got to learn jujitsu for that. And, but I never was consistent

00:05:43.880 with my jujitsu. I've got a decent base of it, obviously, you know, but with seven fights

00:05:49.360 and over a couple of years of training here and there, but it was never consistent. And

00:05:53.120 I never was consistent with my gi jujitsu, which is frustrating, you know, knowing where

00:05:58.460 I could have been.

00:05:58.940 Well, that's the hard, like the consistency too is really, really important. Like, I feel

00:06:02.400 like if you don't have consistency and do it consistently, you can never incorporate

00:06:06.520 in the way you think about things, right? Like you might learn something.

00:06:09.100 But a week later, you're going to forget. Somebody was asking me earlier, what'd you

00:06:11.800 learn earlier this week? I'm like, I have no idea. I don't remember. It's like, it's

00:06:15.380 so easy to lose all of that stuff. If you're not consistent with it.

00:06:19.640 100%. Like anything we do in life, it's like the training we did in the military. You have

00:06:23.700 to be consistent with your training, consistent with your actions. You know, we talk about

00:06:28.240 echelon front, discipline equals freedom.

00:06:30.040 Yeah.

00:06:30.740 Yeah. Hey, I can go out to the shooting range, but does that mean I'm going to become a better

00:06:33.660 shot?

00:06:34.160 Right now, of course.

00:06:35.080 I have to be disciplined with my actions. Am I practicing the perfect draw? Am I doing my mag changes

00:06:38.900 the same every single time? Is my gear set up and tweaked the right way? Hey, I want

00:06:42.740 to lose weight. Great. Am I eating a good diet? Am I actually working out when I go to the

00:06:46.600 gym? You know, and so that discipline will give you that freedom. And it's embarrassing

00:06:51.320 to say, like, I was never disciplined with my jujitsu. And now I see where I'm at and it's

00:06:55.500 frustrating.

00:06:56.080 It's so addicting for guys like us to know that there's something out there that we could

00:07:03.320 potentially never master.

00:07:05.280 Yeah. I can see that. That's empowering too. And so, yeah, it's, it's pretty cool to know

00:07:09.400 like how far you can get and how far you can go. Cause I see some of these guys that have

00:07:12.980 been doing this for what, 30 years or longer, even potentially, and to see like how much they've

00:07:18.080 progressed. And they've even talked about it. They're like, we're not special. We're not

00:07:22.140 different. We've just been doing it longer. We've been dedicated and disciplined to it.

00:07:26.340 Yeah.

00:07:26.460 You were talking about before we even started recording, uh, like tactical shooting, that

00:07:31.080 kind of thing. Is that your specialty? Is that what you would consider your specialty?

00:07:34.640 I don't know if I'd say specialty, but something I really enjoyed and I really found a lot of

00:07:40.520 value of teaching and training to others. So when I was in the military, I was one of our

00:07:45.860 combatives instructors. So the SEAL teams had this old combative style that we used to do.

00:07:50.540 And it was, you know, it was decent for that time.

00:07:55.080 Are you talking about like hand to hand type stuff? Is that?

00:07:57.740 Kind of.

00:07:58.360 Okay.

00:07:58.600 Well now here's the deal. When we go overseas, we're gunfighters.

00:08:02.200 Right.

00:08:02.720 And if I go into a room and I have to deal with an unknown or an unarmed, you know, individual,

00:08:08.400 I'm not putting my guns away. I'm going to keep my weapon out. You're going to comply. You're

00:08:12.780 going to listen to commands and I'm going to use that to my advantage. I'm going to have my

00:08:15.940 buddy that's covering me at an angle, all those types of things. I'm not put my gun away and be

00:08:19.940 like, all right, put your hands up.

00:08:21.320 Let's do this because I have an ego. I'm going to fight. No, absolutely. We're gunfighters.

00:08:26.580 I remember when Jocko took over Trade It, which is our training detachment. And so that's the

00:08:30.840 training cell for all the West Coast SEAL teams. They have one on the West Coast, one on the East

00:08:34.680 Coast. And then I was over there as an instructor as well. We realized a lot of things need to be

00:08:39.420 changed and revamped and become more optimal. And our combative system was one of those.

00:08:44.700 And so that became over time, like a hybrid of MMA, but we're still gunfighters. We're going to

00:08:51.920 have body armor on. I'm going to have a helmet on. I might have night vision on. I might have my

00:08:55.900 pistol out still, or you have to work through all those different things. And so I was helping

00:09:01.280 as a combatives instructor, but my primary role at Trade It, I was one of our CQC instructors in our

00:09:07.880 urban warfare training.

00:09:08.900 What was the first term you used?

00:09:09.920 CQC, close quarters combat. So that's the type of training where you think about like SWAT,

00:09:14.960 like they're going in, they're clearing a building. You're going from room to room to room to take

00:09:18.860 down a building, or we call it target overseas. So you're doing your clearance, a hostage rescue

00:09:23.880 type of movement as you're going through. Hey, are we going slow and methodical or are we going fast?

00:09:28.940 Those are all different variations of the training. And then we also have our urban warfare training.

00:09:33.760 For about a year, I was actually one of the lead instructors for that, worked with a chief.

00:09:38.420 I was the leading petty officer for all the urban warfare training for all the West Coast SEALs.

00:09:42.740 So we're incorporating sniper work into that because that's a big thing in urban warfare.

00:09:47.520 You know, how you patrol, how you clear through buildings. Well, guess what? CQC ties into that

00:09:51.840 because once I am patrolling through a city and now I've gotten to my target, I'm now switching from

00:09:57.560 how I'm patrolling, how I'm moving in an urban environment with threats all over 360 degrees,

00:10:02.560 high, low, just everywhere, you know, rooftops, windows, two rooms deep. Now I make entrance.

00:10:07.340 Now I've got to go room by room by room by room. And so we tie in all that stuff.

00:10:11.480 And it was all, I mean, yeah, you have to incorporate vehicles into that. Like,

00:10:14.540 hey, are we foot patrolling through the city? Are we driving through the city? Are we able

00:10:18.140 to drive to the front door on load? Okay, cool. What do we have to lock down? So it's all those

00:10:22.320 things that we put together for training. It was awesome.

00:10:25.460 It sounds awesome.

00:10:26.060 I mean, it was the absolute best job of my life, except for being in Ramadi. That was the absolute

00:10:33.460 peak of my existence.

00:10:35.620 Yeah. We'll talk about that in a minute because we've gotten a lot of, not a lot, but we've gotten

00:10:38.900 some good insight with other, the guys that we've talked with. But it seems to me that with the teams

00:10:44.600 that you guys have a lot of, I don't know if it's flexibility or control over your training,

00:10:50.660 which if I look at an army unit, for example, it seems like that's a lot more rigid, but every

00:10:57.520 SEAL that I've talked with is like, yeah, we changed this about the training. We changed this.

00:11:01.620 And there just seems like there's a lot of flexibility and autonomy over your training.

00:11:04.600 Is that, is that accurate?

00:11:06.140 Yes, absolutely. And that's because guys take ownership of it. Why am I going to continue doing

00:11:10.280 the same thing over and over if it's not as effective as it could be?

00:11:13.820 But why doesn't that same principle apply in an army unit, for example, or maybe the Marines?

00:11:19.900 I don't know what I'm talking about necessarily. So I wouldn't say,

00:11:22.840 do you understand where I'm coming from? It just seems like this is the training. This is the way

00:11:26.000 we do it. So do it this way. But SEALs, it seems to be like, no, that was the training. We're

00:11:30.420 changing it. And like you said, more ownership of it. So the SEALs used to be like that as well.

00:11:35.760 And I want to be very careful and not answer as to why it is and how it is with different branches.

00:11:42.080 Sure. I don't have that insight.

00:11:43.600 Right.

00:11:43.900 If I was to assume individuals are so used to just that rigid structure, which I love,

00:11:48.740 like, I really love that about the military, but there's a dichotomy there. There has to be

00:11:54.340 that flexibility to where you can make decisions and find balance. And the SEAL teams, we were able

00:11:59.120 to find that because individuals started taking ownership and stepping up and saying, Hey, this

00:12:05.180 doesn't work anymore. Like, yeah, it was a great concept, but when the war kicked off, that didn't

00:12:11.100 work in Afghanistan. That didn't work in Iraq. And that's great. So guys are saying that,

00:12:15.860 but that's not good enough. And so the thing I love about the SEAL teams is when guys take

00:12:21.000 ownership of it, they take ownership of the problems and the solutions. You know, every

00:12:25.580 time I was in a position of leadership, I'd tell guys, Hey, if you got a problem, let me

00:12:29.440 know, we'll fix it. But you have to have some sort of a solution because I promise you, if

00:12:33.900 we could be doing it better, we would be doing it better right now. So if you've got a better

00:12:38.140 idea, cool, let's do it. If it makes sense. And if it's within what we're trying to do,

00:12:41.760 awesome, we can change. We have that flexibility. And I remember we were up at one of our CQC

00:12:47.320 training facilities and we're all sitting around and, you know, it's myself and the rest of

00:12:51.260 the instructors and we're going through the kill house and we're stripping the targets

00:12:54.700 and preparing us during a lunch break. So the rest of the guys that are training are

00:12:58.660 up, up at the top and they're eating their lunch. And myself and Aaron and a couple other

00:13:03.040 guys, Brad Kavner, both of those guys have passed away. But anyways, we're all instructors

00:13:07.340 together and we're taking targets off and I'm looking at all the different targets, just

00:13:11.000 assessing, okay, you know, miss shots and groups and, you know, just looking. And then

00:13:15.340 it like clicked and I'm looking at these targets and guys, what we always did was to the chest

00:13:21.780 on the face. That's how we always did it. We, you learn that in buds, you learn that

00:13:25.440 as you teach, you check into the field teams, you're going to shooting schools, doing all

00:13:29.020 this stuff. That's everything that they're teaching. And I'm looking at it and most of the

00:13:33.520 misses was that headshot because you're going really fast to the chest. That's, that's

00:13:39.120 hard, right? Right. To miss a chest shot. If you miss a chest shot consistently, then

00:13:43.880 you definitely should not be in the sealed teams. Yeah. That's kind of a qualifier, right?

00:13:47.620 Yeah. You kind of have to be able to hit a human body in the corner of a small room.

00:13:51.380 Right. But anyway, so some guys, you know, boom, they pop up to the chest, they go to

00:13:55.860 hit the headshot, but because they know there's other armed targets in that room, they have

00:14:00.840 to engage. They tend to pull that shot. Because they're already looking for the next

00:14:04.260 target. Right. Exactly. So they'll pull that shot and they'll miss a headshot. Okay.

00:14:08.960 Whatever. Two shots to the chest. If it's well placed in the heart, that guy's going

00:14:12.240 down. However, guess what was changing overseas? Guys were wearing body armor.

00:14:17.580 Right. They adapt just like we try to. Yeah. Guys were wearing suicide vest. So where you

00:14:22.380 come in a room and guy, boom, clock off the room while three guys make entrance, or maybe

00:14:26.460 they're getting ready to throw a grenade or they have an RPG that they're holding as you come

00:14:29.980 in or AK or RPK, which is, you know, I'm looking at this. I'm like, oh yeah, they got the chest

00:14:35.440 shots, but it was to body armor. Maybe that guy's not shooting armor piercing rounds. That

00:14:40.200 didn't kill that guy. He missed the headshot. And so I come out and we're talking with the

00:14:43.540 guys. I'm talking with Aaron Vaughn and we're running through all this stuff. I'm like, we

00:14:47.440 should just be shooting at the head. Three to five shots to the face. And Aaron, he's

00:14:52.640 like, hell yeah, man. I bet.

00:14:54.500 And, you know, he's just straight out. He's like, hell yeah. But there was a couple other

00:14:57.720 instructors. They're like, well, we've always done it this way. When people say we've all,

00:15:02.940 cause we've always done it that way.

00:15:04.440 Those are famous last words, right?

00:15:05.180 Yeah. I just want to throat punch that person because it just shows that you're ignorant

00:15:08.640 to growth. You're not willing to adapt and be innovative and evolve as an individual

00:15:13.760 and just think, you know? And so we're talking through it. And some of the guys are like,

00:15:18.200 I don't know. I'm like, guys, we put so much time and money into individuals training.

00:15:22.560 Why can we not do three to five shots in the face and move on the next target? And if

00:15:27.580 I'm shooting three to five shots, that's all I have to acquire. I'm not having to worry

00:15:31.140 about going from the body to the head to the necks or anything else like that. I come

00:15:34.540 in and hey, maybe my first couple of shots are in that upper chest neck as I'm going

00:15:39.220 up to the face. Ideal three to five in the face would be the absolute best. And if I go

00:15:44.160 three to five in the face and I miss a shot, is a guy still going to die? Most likely 99.9999%

00:15:52.200 of those guys getting shot in the face three to five times is going to die.

00:15:55.760 Sure.

00:15:56.400 And so if I miss one shot because I'm going too fast.

00:15:59.420 You still got four.

00:16:00.220 I'm so good.

00:16:00.860 Right.

00:16:01.100 You know, and think about this. The guy is getting ready to clack himself off or throw

00:16:05.300 something or whatever. You come through the door. There's that natural hesitation that

00:16:08.320 everybody experiences. Everyone's going to have that little delay of maybe a second. If

00:16:13.120 I can get those shots off before you clack yourself off or hit the button or anything else

00:16:17.780 like that, you're dead. You're going down. And then now I'm in a much safer environment.

00:16:22.660 So we talked through it and the guys were like, most of the guys are all about it. Some

00:16:26.380 weren't. We're like, Hey, cool. Let's set up the flow. Set up the house. Let's try it

00:16:29.980 out. We'll time each other. You guys do it your way. You guys set up the flow. You guys

00:16:33.580 do it your way. We'll do it our way. Whatever. We'll time it. We went through and we're shooting

00:16:38.660 more. We're shooting.

00:16:39.920 Right. More rounds.

00:16:40.680 More rounds. Yeah. Our times are faster.

00:16:43.120 Really? Oh, because you're not moving and trying to acquire different targets and everything.

00:16:46.360 Yeah. That makes sense.

00:16:46.960 Exactly. Yeah. So our times are faster. There's much less missed shots because it's easy to

00:16:53.160 keep that into the head. I'm not moving. And so we did it over and over. We flipped and

00:16:57.280 we ran through multiple different scenarios. And at the end, nobody could deny that that

00:17:03.520 was more effective. And so this is the thing I love about the teams is this same troop that

00:17:08.000 we're putting through training comes down after lunch. We're like, Hey guys, things have

00:17:11.120 changed. There's a new SOP for training. And some guys are like, huh? We explained it.

00:17:15.160 We let them set the runs. They did the runs. We showed them. They were up in the catwalks.

00:17:19.880 We ran through, we showed them why it was more effective. All this different stuff we went

00:17:23.740 through. And now you're also training it to where you are always looking for that head.

00:17:30.220 So if I'm doing a scan or something else like that, and the guy's hiding me something behind

00:17:34.920 something and all I see is a head and a weapon, I'm not trying to do that old muscle memory from

00:17:40.860 it's all, Hey, I know I can engage that head and that face. And so it just became much more

00:17:45.340 effective guys adapted at. And then when we went out to one of the combat shooting schools that we

00:17:50.200 go to, we told their instructors, Hey, we don't go to the chest one, the face anymore. It's three to

00:17:54.940 five head shots. And they're like, yeah, we dig that. And so then it changed it to where guys don't

00:17:59.620 do the Mozambique drill anymore. It's three to five to the face. That's interesting because that

00:18:03.180 also requires a lot of humility and also checking of the ego, right? Cause there's a lot of guys

00:18:08.520 like, this is the way we've done it. Or it might even be something they helped implement. And so

00:18:13.040 they're really protective of that at their own detriment and potential demise. Absolutely. And

00:18:18.100 that's why there's so many issues with switching from that combative system. Yeah. There's a lot of

00:18:22.960 ego and there's a lot of relationships to the guy that designed this fighting system, which was

00:18:27.700 complete garbage anyways. But when you're an SQT, you do what your instructors tell you to.

00:18:32.640 And, um, but with this, you couldn't deny it. There was no denying it. There was no opinions.

00:18:36.940 There was no like, well, this style fighting is better than this style. No, this is faster. It's

00:18:41.600 more effective a hundred percent. And you can actually have tangible results that you, those

00:18:46.240 numbers don't lie, you know? And so that was what was really cool. So I mean, I absolutely loved what

00:18:50.460 I was able to do. Uh, being in the SEAL teams was the best, best portion of my life.

00:18:55.300 Why'd you decide to leave?

00:18:56.240 So I met my wife in Mississippi where that combat shooting school is. So I was going out there every

00:19:00.900 other month for two weeks at a time. So I met her.

00:19:03.160 This is after you got back from Ramadi?

00:19:04.800 This is after I got back from Ramadi.

00:19:06.180 Okay. So I'm out there.

00:19:07.060 What in 2007?

00:19:09.020 Yeah. So I started going out there 2007, 2008. Uh, and then I was doing a lot of my trips out to

00:19:14.980 Kentucky in the 2008 timeframe. Cause we were going to Fort Knox, the mountains, the Zussman

00:19:19.560 military operations, urban training facility that they had, they called it a Mount town.

00:19:23.920 And so we'd go through that training. So I was out there all the time and I was also working

00:19:28.380 with the East coast. So I'd literally, I'd be out in Louisville, Kentucky for four to five

00:19:32.100 weeks at a time.

00:19:32.860 Yeah. That's right.

00:19:33.520 I've got some, yeah, no, it's awesome.

00:19:35.940 No, I'm just saying being away.

00:19:37.180 Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, I was single.

00:19:38.640 Oh, it was great.

00:19:39.520 All right. Yeah.

00:19:40.080 Yeah. Yeah. No, life was good. You know, I was single.

00:19:42.060 Yeah. Okay. That makes a difference.

00:19:43.580 Yeah. Yeah. So some of my best friends now to this day, my buddy, Brian Arnold, he's a detective

00:19:48.200 there in Louisville. Like we became buddies in 2000. I mean, we've been friends for really

00:19:52.060 close, best friends for 10 years now to hang out with him and his family when I go in that.

00:19:56.480 And so it was great. And so we're doing all that training shifted back to the CQC side

00:20:00.960 because another instructor took over that training, the rotation cycles that we do by being out

00:20:06.160 in Mississippi. That's, that's how I met Amanda. And so we started doing the long distance dating

00:20:10.120 back and forth. She was going to move to San Diego with her son. I call him my bonus son.

00:20:15.180 Um, my stepson, Aiden, he's like that. Yeah. He's, he's mine. That's cool. I love him. He's

00:20:20.960 great. So they're going to move to San Diego, but she found out she's pregnant with twins

00:20:25.240 that changes things, you know? And she's like, uh, and I was like, well, I'm not going to be

00:20:29.280 away from my wife and kids. Yeah. So I got out. I mean, you guys started dating. She knew

00:20:33.760 you were a seal. What was her perspective on that? She dealt with a lot of seals that came

00:20:37.880 into that small town. So she knew what we're about. She, you know, met some guys and some

00:20:42.180 of her like friends had dated team guys. I mean, at the beginning she was like super

00:20:45.760 closed off. Nope. You don't talk to team guys. You don't date team guys. It's like a Top

00:20:49.880 Gun, like a bunch of fly boys coming in. Like I don't date that. Right. Absolutely. You

00:20:54.200 know, that was a struggle at the beginning for me to be able to get somewhere with her

00:20:57.620 and just start talking. Yeah. She's an amazing American woman. She's very patriotic and her

00:21:02.760 whole family's always supported the military and she had grandfathers and uncles and, you

00:21:06.420 know, different family members that had served. And so she understood it. She knew what

00:21:10.560 it was all about. But also at that time, things were kind of changing in the teams

00:21:14.780 and overseas. Guys were just saying how political things were starting to kind of

00:21:18.420 get, you know, guys getting investigated for stuff that you shouldn't be

00:21:21.980 investigated for during war. Doing your job. Yeah. Like you killed a bad guy that

00:21:26.100 was shooting at you and the issue was, well, was it effective? Well, if it was

00:21:30.020 effective, I wouldn't be talking to you. So. That's true. It's him or me. Yeah.

00:21:33.720 That's where some of the things were starting to go over there. That's

00:21:36.320 interesting. I remember when we were over there, we had these rules of

00:21:39.680 engagement and some of the rules, cause we're an artillery unit. So some of the rules were,

00:21:43.880 you know, if, if we picked up enemy fire too close to a civilian building, we couldn't

00:21:48.100 counter fire. Yeah. So these guys would roll up in trucks, those Toyota pickups, you know

00:21:51.720 what I'm talking about? They'd launch their mortars and the rockets out of the pickups

00:21:54.280 and drive off before. And we could pick up those incoming rounds. Another rule of engagement

00:21:58.520 was we weren't allowed to counter fire until we had a confirmed impact. So we'd have

00:22:02.760 to wait till it hit us before we would counter fire. That makes a lot of sense. Crazy stuff.

00:22:07.640 Crazy stuff. It was BS stuff like that. I mean, but that's an excuse. You know, I have

00:22:11.840 buddies that stayed in, they pushed through all that BS and they're still on the fight.

00:22:14.960 You know, uh, if I would have stayed in, I'd be at 17 years right now. Is that right?

00:22:18.720 Um, yeah, it's crazy. Do you ever have like any, any moments of regret? Really? Not regret.

00:22:25.020 I should've let you finish your sentence. Do you ever have days that you miss it? Yeah. Days

00:22:29.880 I miss it every single day. Sure. Uh, the brotherhood that I experienced in the SEAL

00:22:33.640 teams was unlike anything else. I loved being in combat. I love being deployed. I loved being

00:22:39.480 overseas and getting in gunfights and killing bad guys. It's fun. What's the attachment there?

00:22:43.540 Cause I'll tell you what, most guys hear this and think JP's crazy. And honestly, maybe you

00:22:49.260 gotta kind of be a little bit crazy, right? A little different to think like that. So what

00:22:53.740 is the draw? What is it that pulls you to that? Well, you're killing evil people, evil people

00:22:59.220 that want good, innocent people to suffer. I'm never going to stand on the sidelines and

00:23:04.080 allow that to happen ever. I don't care. Ramadi was such a bad area when we were there that

00:23:11.440 it was insane. You had enemy fighters every single day engaging you in Ramadi. They had

00:23:16.740 enemy fighters that were torturing and murdering the local populace if they didn't conform to

00:23:22.400 their ways, or if they didn't help assist them in ambushing us or attacking us. Absolute

00:23:27.320 savage fighters that wanted innocent people killed. This wasn't a Muslim Christian thing.

00:23:33.980 These were evil terrorist fighters that would do the same thing to the innocent Iraqi families

00:23:40.180 that lived in that area. And, um, I've never had an issue with, with killing bad people

00:23:46.540 ever. Like people are like, Oh, do you have issues with it? You have problems sleeping or anything?

00:23:49.960 No, the issues that I have is my brother's that didn't make it home thinking about what I could

00:23:56.040 have done better. You know, if I would have been there, could I have done something? Why wasn't I

00:24:00.060 a part of that? Those are the things that I have issues with. It's not killing bad people.

00:24:04.720 How do you deal with that stuff? I try to live my life to honor them. I fail every day. I fail every

00:24:10.260 single day, but I still, I try to do everything I can to live a life that my brothers would be proud

00:24:18.180 of. I share their stories. Like my kids know about all my buddies that have been killed.

00:24:23.340 You know, I've lost roommates. I've buried roommates. I've buried best friends, my kids,

00:24:27.740 my wife and family members. And anytime I have the chance to talk about it, they know their stories.

00:24:32.120 They know their names. They know the sacrifices that they made. You know, they'll look at my

00:24:35.820 old platoon plaques or the pictures I have my buddies up in the office. And they're like,

00:24:39.140 you know, is that uncle Mikey? I'm like, yeah, they'll talk through their story. I mean,

00:24:43.780 I have twin daughters that are six and a half and they know that Mikey jumped on a grenade to save the

00:24:47.920 other guys around him. Aiden's known that since I met him, you know, he was a little kid and he just,

00:24:52.620 he knew those stories. And it's funny, you know, our children are very unique and they absorb

00:24:58.100 everything around them. So you have to be careful as a parent as to what you say and

00:25:01.620 your attitude and, you know, your words and your energy, everything. There'll be times where I'm,

00:25:07.740 you know, for whatever reason, I'm just stressed out, having an issue or whatever. And Aiden and I

00:25:11.660 will go do something, maybe just for a walk or maybe I'll take them to like Bucky's. That's a big

00:25:16.100 thing in Texas. What is Bucky's? It's, oh man. Is it a store? It's a store, right? Is it a,

00:25:21.820 is it like a big store? It looks like it, but it's actually a gas station, but it's like a little

00:25:25.540 mini store. I've heard of them. You could go Christmas shopping in there for every one of

00:25:29.480 your family members and get what they needed. It's insane. That's awesome. Let's go wander

00:25:34.820 around Bucky's. Yeah. That's funny. But he'll say stuff like, Hey, he's like, Hey,

00:25:39.280 your buddies are looking down. Really? How old is he? They keep us safe. He's 12. He was saying

00:25:44.080 that when he was six, you know, when we lived in Mississippi, we'd go for walks at night or

00:25:48.220 whatever. And he would talk about, you know, my buddies up in heaven looking down. Well,

00:25:53.100 how did he know that stuff? Is that you talking to him? Is mom talking with him about it? How

00:25:56.880 is he familiar with all this stuff? Well, he'd hear, you know, Amanda and I talk about stuff and

00:26:01.140 he asked questions and I don't, I don't hide any of that from him. Like obviously I'm not

00:26:05.340 getting into the details that kids shouldn't hear about. But you know, he asked what happens

00:26:11.080 and why, and I explained it to him. Well, I bet he was pretty stoked that his new dad's

00:26:15.940 going to, it was a Navy SEAL. Dude, he thought it was cool, but you know, it was funny. Like

00:26:19.840 you had to be like, Hey, you gotta be careful what you tell your teachers at school because

00:26:23.140 I go to pick them up and he's like kindergarten or no first grade. And she's like, so what do you

00:26:28.480 do? You know, cause I was still in. She was talking to you. Yeah.

00:26:31.140 And I was transitioning out and I was still at the training command. Well, I'd show him pictures

00:26:35.420 of training, like guys blowing open doors and shooting targets and doing stuff from the catwalks.

00:26:39.340 You know, he takes some cool pictures. I was like, I'm getting ready to get out of the military.

00:26:43.120 I'm going to be doing, you know, and she's like, what are you doing in the military? And I told her

00:26:46.460 and she's like, okay. I'm like, why? She's like, well, we were talking about what our, what our

00:26:50.080 parents do. And Aiden was saying that, you know, you put stuff on doors and you blow, blow open doors

00:26:55.160 and you go inside and just start shooting your gun all over the place.

00:26:57.440 I was like, isn't it funny how they interpret stuff?

00:27:00.220 He is kind of right.

00:27:01.320 He is kind of right. It's just not the full story.

00:27:04.340 Yeah. He was talking about how I use chainsaws to get through stuff and houses. And I'm like,

00:27:07.660 well, yeah, it's called breaching. Chainsaws, quickie saws, explosives.

00:27:11.300 That's awesome.

00:27:12.040 That was pretty cool.

00:27:12.920 So you get out of the military then and remind me, you moved to Mississippi,

00:27:17.680 to Mississippi, North Mississippi, a little town called South Haven. And it's just south of

00:27:22.580 Memphis, Tennessee.

00:27:23.340 Is that when you started your company?

00:27:25.680 No, no. So I was doing sales at a financial company.

00:27:28.640 Financial services?

00:27:29.780 No, no. So we, uh, oh, I guess kind of, yeah. Financial services we would buy,

00:27:33.480 but not the financial services. Like most people are thinking we bought account receivables that

00:27:38.260 had a delay to pay. It's called factoring really big industry in the trucking industry. And I wasn't

00:27:43.600 sure what I was going to do when I was getting out. Like I was getting ready to get out. And this was a

00:27:46.660 total God thing that this open, this door opened. And I'm talking to one of my buddy's dad from the

00:27:51.260 gym and he's like, what are you going to do? I'm like, I don't know. Go overseas and shoot

00:27:53.960 pirates. That's what all my buddies are doing. I don't know. I'm going to go contract.

00:27:57.020 Contract. Right.

00:27:57.420 And he's like, well, do you want to do that? I'm like, yeah, but I really don't want to be gone

00:28:01.560 all the time. You know, we just had twin daughters born in January of 2012. And, uh, you know, I was

00:28:07.540 like, I'd rather not be gone that much. And he's like, well, this is what I do. And I'm in charge

00:28:12.360 of sales. And he explained the purpose. He's like, if a company has a delay to pay, like, so a

00:28:17.900 trucking company goes and delivers their load. They have their invoice for a thousand dollars.

00:28:22.040 They have to wait 30, 45, 60 days to get paid. Well, that sucks. That's a big delay. They've

00:28:27.460 got to pay the drivers, refill the trucks and kick on that trucking company can send that

00:28:31.240 invoice to us. We'll give them 90 to 97% upfront, depending on their monthly volume. We then take

00:28:39.160 that invoice, send it to their customer. Their customer pays us. And then we give them the

00:28:44.440 remaining balance minus a small fee off the back. And I was like, that makes sense. Like

00:28:49.920 you just said, I'm like, wow, that's genius. I was like, that was instant cashflow. I'm

00:28:54.460 like, so primary market is trucking companies. Like, yeah, he's like every truck company has

00:28:59.020 to deal with this. I'm like, cool. Well, trucking companies are a bad-ass cause they keep this

00:29:04.360 nation going. You know, they keep our economy, everything flowing, all the goods and everything

00:29:08.200 else like that.

00:29:08.700 That's like the heart of America, right?

00:29:09.600 It really is. You know, truckers out there are as a part of, you know, like I say, the heart

00:29:14.400 of America, there's a lot of that fits into that. Trucking companies are a big part of

00:29:17.800 that. I mean, what would you do if there wasn't trucking companies to get our goods? Train?

00:29:21.340 Okay. Well now where, how do you get it from the train?

00:29:23.940 Yeah. You know, so it's all these things.

00:29:25.420 Sure.

00:29:26.000 I was like, oh, that makes sense. I could, he's like, yeah, this is how much my, some

00:29:29.300 of my sales guys are making their commission only, but this is what they're making.

00:29:32.560 I was like, say that number one more time.

00:29:34.760 Intriguing.

00:29:35.200 Yeah. And he told me and I was like, hmm, I can outwork these guys. I already knew, you know,

00:29:39.060 and these are great guys. I know they, you know, for sure they're really good at their,

00:29:42.120 but I knew who I was. I was like, man, if they work hard and they make that, what can

00:29:46.420 I make? I was like, cool. So I'll come interview. I did the interview. Interview went really well.

00:29:51.480 I had a bunch of leave saved up. And so I was going on terminal leave. I had other

00:29:55.440 leaves saved up. So I actually started that job while I was still in the Navy.

00:29:59.600 Terminal leave, meaning that you knew you were getting out and that was just kind of

00:30:02.520 finishing it off.

00:30:03.240 Yeah, you're getting out of the military. Well, they give you leave when you're getting out

00:30:05.700 of the military to do job finding and all this, to set you up and anything else like

00:30:10.220 that. And then I had all this other leave that I hadn't taken. So I just put it all

00:30:14.040 together and I got out February of 2013, but I had so much leave saved up. I started working

00:30:19.580 for them in November of 2012.

00:30:21.760 Oh, is that right?

00:30:22.480 Yeah. So I still had my military paycheck coming in, which is a complete blessing because

00:30:26.540 then I was able to build up my book of business and there's a delay in the sales cycle and everything

00:30:30.980 else like that. Like, okay, cool. I got a client, but okay. Now his invoices, boom. Oh,

00:30:36.960 there's a 60 day pay. Well, I don't get paid until the company gets paid. So now my commission

00:30:41.280 is a month after that. So you're looking at 90, 120 days before I got paid on something

00:30:47.020 I sold. So it was great. I was able to kind of build up that book of business.

00:30:50.740 Is that when you got into this, I mean, obviously it's completely different, like completely

00:30:55.260 different. Was it hard? Was it no problem? I got this. I made the transition easy. Like

00:30:59.520 what was that actually like for you?

00:31:00.720 It was a bit of both. I said, yeah, right away. Was it hard? Yeah, absolutely. You go from being

00:31:04.340 an active duty Navy SEAL as an instructor where my job was to train guys to go overseas. My

00:31:11.800 other job was to work out, was to go shoot, to go to shooting schools, to other different

00:31:16.980 schools. Like that was my job. Every single day was for me to work out and train and prepare

00:31:22.400 guys to do the same thing and run, you know, everything else. I mean, that was, it is the

00:31:26.440 most amazing job there is hands down.

00:31:30.180 Sure. Yeah. I can see that.

00:31:30.940 And then I go to suit and tie sitting in traffic in Memphis, trying to get to an office building.

00:31:35.800 Yeah.

00:31:36.360 It was rough. It was real rough, you know, and to make it even worse, you know, my wife,

00:31:41.840 Amanda, she's always worked her whole life, always worked at least, you know, like two

00:31:46.660 jobs, you know, is just an extremely hard worker. You know, now all of a sudden she's

00:31:51.840 at home with twins and not working.

00:31:54.900 Oh yeah.

00:31:55.420 Not doing anything.

00:31:56.380 Yeah. Everything else like that. And it was just, she was having this sense of just

00:32:01.140 not having the fulfillment that she wanted to be able to provide for the family, even

00:32:04.500 though what she was doing was harder than I was doing, taking care of the kids and making

00:32:08.720 sure everything else was good. We weren't communicating with each other well enough, just

00:32:14.160 got worse and worse and worse. And you know, so I started when I was transitioning, I found

00:32:19.060 an MMA gym out there. So I was training and had a fight.

00:32:21.920 Is that when you started MMA?

00:32:23.180 That's when I started MMA.

00:32:24.360 Okay. Yeah.

00:32:24.880 I had my first fight. I was still actually technically in the Navy.

00:32:27.780 Oh really?

00:32:28.240 Yeah.

00:32:28.260 So you were MMA and SEAL.

00:32:30.200 Yeah. Which is funny because people think, oh, SEALs are these great fighters. No, we're

00:32:34.880 really good gunfighters.

00:32:35.780 Gunfighters. Yeah. You can't bring a gun into the octagon, right?

00:32:37.900 I can't. And so the week of my first fight, we had three guys back out because what do they

00:32:41.740 do? Google my name and there's all these articles associated with me as being a Navy SEAL.

00:32:46.920 You think they're like, no, no, we're out.

00:32:48.760 No, that's exactly what their coaches were like. Nope. You know, blah, blah, blah. It's

00:32:52.720 amateur MMA.

00:32:53.720 Was that a level of respect or was that like, no, we're afraid or?

00:32:57.180 I don't know. I have buddies who are phenomenal fighters, amateur and professional. Overall,

00:33:04.720 amateur MMA is a complete joke and I'm an amateur fighter and I have no problem saying it because

00:33:09.980 guys will literally be like, oh man, I don't, what if I lose this guy? Nope. I'm not going

00:33:14.320 to fight.

00:33:15.060 Oh yeah.

00:33:15.660 And their egos just get involved. And so guys literally like the day of weigh-ins or

00:33:22.020 the day before weigh-ins, guys will just back out of a fight. How disrespectful is that?

00:33:26.000 Your opponent has been dieting and training for, you know, whether it was like four weeks,

00:33:30.020 six weeks, eight weeks, whatever it is. And so guys, they just don't respect the actual

00:33:33.920 sport in, you know, and now I will say it's gotten better. There's some good promotion

00:33:37.280 companies in that region who they don't put up with that anymore. If you do that, you don't

00:33:42.100 fight on their car. Right. You're done. I love that they do that because now it holds

00:33:45.860 these fighters accountable. So I was at the gym and that was like my release and being

00:33:50.580 able to help with the day and transition from, you know, sitting in a cubicle with a suit

00:33:54.840 and tie and doing sales calls and all this other stuff to that. But, you know, my marriage

00:34:01.500 kept getting worse and worse and I didn't care about that. And she didn't care about

00:34:05.920 it.

00:34:06.200 About the marriage, about the work stuff?

00:34:08.040 About anything. She didn't care about my work stuff. You know, we'd get in big fights

00:34:12.140 when I'm like on the road. I'm like, Hey, I've got to be able to focus on these sales

00:34:15.180 calls. And she's like, I don't care about that. And then she'd have her issues and I

00:34:18.900 didn't care about her issues. And it got so toxic and bad. We ended up getting a divorce.

00:34:24.080 Like full on. She served me divorce papers. I moved out, got my own place, dealt with that

00:34:30.140 whole issue with schedule with the kids and everything else like that. You know, a year

00:34:34.460 later we decided, you know, we were going to give it cause we were trying to go back

00:34:39.080 and forth. Like, do we still want to make this work? And I still loved her and she still

00:34:42.840 loved me, but because we didn't respect each other and we didn't communicate with each

00:34:47.920 other properly and we were both being selfish, you know, our marriage completely fell apart.

00:34:53.540 So you guys went through with the divorce?

00:34:55.500 Oh yeah.

00:34:56.020 Okay.

00:34:56.560 Completely legal divorce. I was paying her child support.

00:35:00.140 Got a two bedroom house for me and the girls. You know, I'd still like take Aiden to school

00:35:04.200 sometimes or pick him up or go do something depending on how much she hated me or not at

00:35:07.780 that time.

00:35:09.000 Jeez, man. That's hard.

00:35:10.020 Yeah. It was bad. You know, there's times where I was just, I was a complete jerk to her

00:35:14.200 because I've, you know, felt that same hatred towards her.

00:35:17.080 Sure.

00:35:17.560 The devil's going to play his games and you know, he doesn't want anything great to go.

00:35:20.920 Especially families.

00:35:21.660 Especially families. And that's, that's his way to creep in and disrupt this, you know, society.

00:35:27.980 And that's, you know, it will happen. And so I remember we were in one of the things again

00:35:32.440 where we're talking like, okay, how do we make this work? Do we want to make this work?

00:35:35.540 Because we were both like, I can't do this anymore. Like I'm not doing this back and forth

00:35:39.080 anymore.

00:35:39.640 Yeah, but you know, I had the girls, it was my weekend and she calls and she knows I'm getting

00:35:44.280 ready for church. And she's like, Hey, can I talk to the girls? I'm like, yeah, of course.

00:35:47.240 I put on speakerphone and I'm like, Hey mommy. You know, they were real young at the time.

00:35:50.500 So they were like three. So yeah, this is, um, three, three and a half years ago. She's

00:35:55.460 like, Hey, do you want daddy to pick me up for church? I was like, what? I was so mad

00:36:01.060 for you. I was so, I didn't want to see her. Like I didn't want to be around her.

00:36:04.360 Yeah. And then she's like, you know, of course, what do the girls say?

00:36:07.120 Of course they want to.

00:36:07.920 Yeah.

00:36:08.380 Yeah, of course.

00:36:08.900 I'm like, great. Take it off speakerphone. I'm like, you have seven minutes. I will be

00:36:14.680 passing by the house in seven minutes. Cause we're just getting ready to leave. If you're

00:36:18.360 not outside, I'm going to keep driving, come around the corner. Guess who's standing outside

00:36:22.400 on the, in the driveway in a dress. And she looks so fun. I was like, dang it. No, don't

00:36:27.340 look at her.

00:36:28.060 Yeah.

00:36:28.520 You know, so you're trying to resist.

00:36:30.400 I am. I am. And she looks so beautiful. And she gets in the car and she's like, Hey,

00:36:34.940 I'm like, Hey, like, I was just like, I don't want to look at you. I don't want to talk to

00:36:39.560 you. And the girls, you know, of course are happy to see her and everything. And I think

00:36:42.940 Aiden was with his dad that weekend. So we go to church and she writes like this little

00:36:48.600 note. It says, I still love you and hands it to me. I look at it. I fold it up, put it

00:36:52.700 on the seat next to me. And then I get really mad at the pastor because the message was about

00:37:00.100 anger and how do not let anger control you.

00:37:02.840 We hear what we need to hear. I was like, and then of course, so just to make it even

00:37:06.660 more of like a complete slap in the face, like, Hey, JP, I'm talking to you is a now

00:37:12.020 is, Hey, we're launching small groups for couples. And they're going through all these.

00:37:16.680 So you're getting everything you need to hear that you don't want to hear everything that

00:37:20.460 I need. And it's like all this stuff and all these different small groups. She said

00:37:25.760 something. I was just like, if we're going to do this, we're doing it one last time.

00:37:30.580 Let's do a small group. And if we do a small group through the church together and we commit

00:37:36.140 to it and it doesn't work, then we can both look at each other and know that we, Hey, we're

00:37:40.160 just going to become best friends for the kid's sake. And so we were looking at the desk and

00:37:44.120 there's one for married couples. There's all these different categories. And this one was

00:37:47.760 like perfect for what we needed. And I remember we grabbed one of the assistant pastors and kind

00:37:54.620 of like, Hey, here's our situation. And he gets like bright red and basically like, Hey,

00:37:59.340 if this doesn't work, our family's falling apart. He's like, Erica and Donald are phenomenal

00:38:04.580 counselors. They're great, but you should be in their group. Introduce us to them. So we sign up.

00:38:09.580 Nobody else in the group knew that we weren't married. It was all only supposed to be for

00:38:12.920 married couples. We go through this small group and it, it was amazing. It completely restored

00:38:18.200 our family. But also at the same time, you know, I was reading Jocko's book,

00:38:22.640 Extreme Ownership. I'm sorry, Jocko and Leif's book, Extreme Ownership.

00:38:25.740 Did you serve over there? You serve with them, right?

00:38:27.840 Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:28.720 Okay. You were a team with them.

00:38:29.760 I have a bad habit. I'll say Jocko's book, but it's, you know, Jocko and Leif's book.

00:38:33.340 I say Jocko because at the time I was talking to Jocko all the time. Like he knew all the stuff I was

00:38:37.720 going through. I was texting about stuff. He was kind of trying to help me work through some stuff

00:38:41.660 with Amanda and other stuff. Yeah. So I was in Jocko's task unit. I was in task unit bruiser.

00:38:46.260 I was in Delta platoon and Leif was in Charlie platoon. So I was Chris Kyle's opposite. Chris

00:38:51.460 Kyle was a lead sniper and point man for Charlie platoon. I was a lead sniper and point man for

00:38:55.960 Delta platoons. So Charlie was Leif, you said.

00:38:59.020 Yeah. And I was under Seth or we call him Stoner because his name was Seth Stone. So I was under

00:39:03.660 Seth platoon and Delta platoon. So anyways, you know, so we go through this small group. We're

00:39:09.240 actually reading Extreme Ownership together and, you know, just taking all this stuff. And I was like,

00:39:13.860 well, maybe if I would have taken ownership of my marriage, it's never would have gotten there.

00:39:17.880 Yeah. We're all going to go through hard times, but we can't take the easy way out. And I look back

00:39:22.420 and I'm like, man, we took the easy way out. We could have made that work and look at what it could

00:39:26.980 have potentially have done to our kids. Now, luckily the kids were young enough. I don't really know what

00:39:31.800 was going on. Now, Aiden has an idea, but because I was still doing stuff with Aiden and talking to him

00:39:37.240 and he would call me and, you know, it doesn't affect them as much, but now they don't care

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00:40:50.920 For now, let's get back to the conversation with JP.

00:40:54.900 How did you let go of that anger that you had? You know, you said you're angry and hostile and

00:40:59.480 I get that. I can understand. I think there's a lot of guys listening that probably

00:41:03.040 are in a similar boat and position. How do you begin to let go of some of that? Because I think

00:41:07.020 you can have both love for a woman and probably some hate and anger. How did that work for you?

00:41:14.260 The hate was getting me absolutely nowhere. What does hate get you? I've never seen

00:41:19.420 something grow successful based off of hate. The things I was upset about or frustrated about or,

00:41:26.580 you know, had that hate in my heart, that wasn't me and that wasn't her. That's not God,

00:41:32.800 you know, and that's my beliefs and that's my faith is as growing up as a Christian. And yes,

00:41:37.040 I don't live the best example as a Christian man. I understand that I never will. I fall short all

00:41:41.760 the time, but you know, I had to get that love back into my heart again, you know, and that's what

00:41:47.400 I needed to restore my marriage. And I do love Amanda and everything that she does for our family. And I had

00:41:53.560 to take a step back and actually look at what she did for our family, for me. I mean, look at what a

00:42:00.360 woman does just to have a kid for you. Just that simple thing of carrying a child for you. It changes

00:42:08.040 their body for the rest of their lives. It changes their hormones. And I mean, they go through all

00:42:11.880 these changes so that they can give us a family. And she sacrificed work and job opportunities and

00:42:18.140 other stuff all the time so that I would be able to stay consistent with what I was doing.

00:42:22.360 And you just have to choose not to hate. You can choose to love or you can choose to hate.

00:42:27.160 I prefer love. So even with my buddies and you know, I'm always like, Hey brother, I love you.

00:42:31.760 Like I say that to people all the time. Every time I get off the phone with Jocko, I'm like,

00:42:35.460 love your brother. That's my thing. Cause I have too many friends that I never get to say that to

00:42:40.540 them again. Holding that hate inside of your heart is going to destroy you. Nothing good is going to

00:42:45.680 come from that. There's no reason for me to hate her anyways. She's a phenomenal woman.

00:42:50.300 And you feel like you made a lot of that up or made it worse off than it was?

00:42:54.220 100%. Yeah. I absolutely was making the situation worse than it was in my mind. Absolutely.

00:42:59.760 So you're working with that organization, the financial organization, then you make a change?

00:43:04.540 Yeah. So I decided to leave. I saw the writing on the wall. I just knew things were kind of

00:43:08.720 shifting with the company, the leadership. They're having a lot of issues. I was like, Hey,

00:43:12.700 I got two buddies. I was in the SEAL teams. I've got this leadership management consulting company.

00:43:16.400 You should bring them in. It would be good. We're trying to grow, but our leadership base

00:43:20.780 isn't that strong. Like, ah, no, you know, it was complete ego. They didn't want to bring somebody

00:43:24.980 else in. And then I was offering like, Hey, you know, I learned a lot about leadership in the

00:43:28.920 military and actually went through some instructor training programs. I could put together like

00:43:33.520 something for the management. We could do it like a leadership program internally. And they're

00:43:37.860 like, nah, nah, nah. It was just, it was just a hundred percent ego. And then, um,

00:43:42.980 these were guys that you knew? I didn't know. No, not these guys. Yeah. These guys were at the

00:43:47.140 very top of the company. Um, I didn't know them. You know, I just felt it in my heart that I needed

00:43:52.320 to go do something else that was more fulfilling. And so I left to start my own consulting company,

00:43:58.740 which is great, but also not good when you don't put a solid amount of time. Hey, I'm going to sit

00:44:04.600 down and I'm going to come up with an absolute rock solid game plan. And I didn't have that.

00:44:09.340 And so I left off an emotional decision and it wasn't logical. I didn't have to leave that time.

00:44:15.160 I could have waited a little bit longer and actually come up with a solid game plan.

00:44:19.060 And so I ended up having to kind of just do piecework, anything and everything I could,

00:44:23.160 you know, my primary reason of leaving was I wanted to be able to teach shooting tactics and

00:44:28.180 combatives to law enforcement. I was helping out a buddy on the weekends when I was still at this

00:44:32.600 financial company, they were doing a lot of gigs with law enforcement. And I loved it because

00:44:37.020 a lot of law enforcement people across the nation, they don't get that good solid training that they

00:44:41.200 should have. And I just have a soft spot in my heart for, for first responders for what they do

00:44:46.940 every single day. I was like, well, cool. This is my ability to serve again. Cause I was missing that

00:44:51.660 as well. I didn't have that sense of fulfillment. Like I had in the teams, that purpose, right? I know a

00:44:56.380 lot of guys deal with that when they get out of the service. Yeah. And that's, you know,

00:44:59.320 I know we're running up on our time. That's maybe something we talk about the next time is I think

00:45:02.800 the big issue as to why veterans and first responders have issues with suicide is because

00:45:09.400 they're, they're lost and they don't have a sense of fulfillment. And then you add that to all these

00:45:14.720 other issues that the body goes through being sleep deprived, you know, stress induced training,

00:45:19.000 deployment cycles, you know, being up for 24 to 48 hours as a cop or as a firefighter and messes with

00:45:25.000 your testosterone levels and all this other stuff, you know? So the other thing, I know we don't have

00:45:29.480 time to get into it deep, but one of the issues with Amanda and I, and I didn't know about, and we

00:45:34.500 talk about it now, we're like, do you think it would have been different if we would have known

00:45:37.680 that? I'm like, absolutely. I wasn't feeling good. I wasn't feeling my right way. Kept going to the

00:45:43.620 doctors, getting stuff. I was like, man, it's just weird. Like physically, your body? Physically and

00:45:47.220 mentally. And I started to go kind of like to some dark places here and there. And I'm like, dude,

00:45:51.860 that's not me. You know, like I just, a hard time getting out, up out of bed. But the only reason why I

00:45:56.640 would even get up out of bed is because, Hey, I've got to go provide for my family. Six, seven,

00:46:01.680 eight monsters a day just to get to the day, coffee, all this stuff, go get some blood work done

00:46:06.840 at the VA. The VA calls me. I don't answer. They call Amanda. And so she's like freaking out. She's

00:46:14.680 like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm in a meeting. Like what? She's like, well, the VA is

00:46:18.660 calling me because they're trying to get ahold of you. You know, your test results, there's something

00:46:22.100 wrong with your test results. So she's thinking like something horrible, right? So I call them there.

00:46:26.840 For a male, our age, our testosterone level should be, you know, six, seven ideal is between 700 to

00:46:34.480 900. Mine were 88. And I went back and got it tested again. It was 81. And then it was 83.

00:46:40.960 That wasn't a fluke. No, I went and got tested three different times. I went to a testosterone

00:46:46.900 clinic and had them do it, you know, make sure everything. Yeah. In the eighties. Really? Yeah.

00:46:52.660 So that's probably like the levels of like a chicken high school. So try to go throughout

00:46:57.380 your day with no testosterone. Yeah. What was that attributed to? So we did more tests and

00:47:02.940 figured out my body also isn't producing HGH. There's issues with my pituitary gland, the

00:47:07.960 sacrum of pituitary gland. It was damaged from all the gunfights have been in machine gun fire

00:47:13.180 explosions, you know, being a sniper on a rooftop laying right next to a concrete wall, shooting

00:47:18.260 a 300 wind mag. And that concussion is blasting back through. So I've got a lot of TBIs and issues

00:47:23.960 with my memory and focus and everything else like that. Oh yeah, it's bad. And so my body doesn't

00:47:29.440 produce testosterone. It wasn't until I figured that out that I got on therapy and night and day

00:47:36.620 difference. Therapy is in testosterone replacement therapy, you know? And I know there's lots of ways

00:47:42.480 to boost your free levels naturally and do all the other stuff, but literally my body doesn't

00:47:47.100 produce it that way. Yeah. So I was having it done and it was great and I was feeling really

00:47:50.360 good. And then I started recently feeling really bad again. I'm like, I'm on TRT. Like I get my

00:47:56.520 shot. I'm good. Like it can't be that. I'm like, it's something else, you know, of course. So my

00:48:00.420 mind starts wandering and thinking it's, you know, something bad in my brain or whatever. And I go get

00:48:05.120 tested again, 118. Really? Yeah. And so I don't know if you're familiar with Guy Metzger,

00:48:10.840 UFC Hall of Famer, pride fighter, like pioneer in MMA. Okay. Legit, just phenomenal fighter,

00:48:19.720 warrior spirit. Well, he lives in the Dallas Fort Worth area where I live now. And so we've

00:48:24.280 met a couple of times. He's a good buddy of mine. I was kind of talking to him. He's also

00:48:27.260 a doctor. A lot of people don't know that. And so I was talking to him. He's like, Hey man,

00:48:30.840 like me and my partners will be doing some treatments. Like, Hey, go get your blood work

00:48:34.520 done. Let's figure out what's going on. Cause I was telling him my symptoms. He's like,

00:48:39.480 Hey bro, you got to come in and talk. Like your levels are 118. They should be between

00:48:44.640 700 and 900. What's concerning even more. He goes, your free testosterone is low is like

00:48:52.120 15. I, that's what the body produces naturally. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ideal should be 17 to

00:48:59.340 20 and high would be, you know, ideal, like superb. Like when we were in our early twenties

00:49:04.140 is like 22 plus. Okay. Cause yours is 4.2 and my estrogen levels are super messed up and all this

00:49:11.400 other stuff. We went together and he does a lot for veterans and his whole thing is helping veterans

00:49:17.320 and active duty military and law enforcement and firefighters is getting back to being optimal.

00:49:24.140 He is getting your body where it's supposed to be. And so we've been working together for the last

00:49:28.140 couple of weeks and he's finally, we've got it tweaked. And so it's, you're feeling better.

00:49:32.580 I will. I've been gone all week. So I haven't been able to get all my stuff, but next week I'm

00:49:36.040 going to be like back to feeling good. It's a good week to roll with you when you're, when

00:49:39.380 you're feeling like a little chick, a high school chick. If I give you two weeks, I might be in

00:49:43.920 trouble. I'll come back and visit you in a month. You know, and so I say, all that say is, and I

00:49:49.220 hope people are still listening. I can see how people could choose the easy way out. And I would

00:49:55.340 never do something like that. I would never, but I can tell you, you know, I was talking to Jocko last

00:50:00.740 week and I called him after I met with guy. Cause I had that sense of, okay, now I know I was feeling

00:50:06.680 this way. You know, and I had surgery five weeks ago. I had four hernias repaired. My wife had

00:50:11.440 major surgery, you know, eight weeks ago. So I've had downtime for the last two months. I haven't

00:50:16.540 done anything. I haven't traveled. I haven't spoke. I was starting to lose that sense of fulfillment

00:50:20.540 because I wasn't working with clients. I wasn't doing nothing. It was great to be with my wife and

00:50:24.360 kids. However, I wasn't doing what feeds my soul. I find out my levels are super low and I was

00:50:30.180 talking to Jocko. I'm like, Hey man, I went to a really dark place. He's like, dude, he gets pissed.

00:50:35.680 He's like, why didn't you call me? And I'm like, Jocko, I just told you I was in a really dark place.

00:50:41.300 When people are at that place, they're not going to reach out. So we've got to do something to find

00:50:46.280 a way to reach these people and let them know that I don't know what or how. And that's why I'm

00:50:50.660 excited about the event that we're doing in Dallas called roll call. It's only for active duty

00:50:56.480 military and first responders and government employees and medics. And it's a one day

00:51:01.540 leadership training that we're doing for them. September 21st. And I was talking about all this

00:51:06.080 stuff. And so I can see, I kind of pride myself with being mentally resilient. You know, I'm just

00:51:11.740 strong over the years. And, um, you know, I love, I love deployments. I loved going through buds.

00:51:17.240 It was enjoyable to me. And, uh, yeah, it was fun. It was, yeah, it was hard, but yes, it was,

00:51:22.360 it was fun. Um, but I was also very young. You know, I was, I thought I was Superman back then.

00:51:27.460 I was 18, 19. Yeah. But I was telling Jocko, I'm like, I'm promising you I w I would never do

00:51:32.980 something. I was like, but I can see how people could go that way because when your testosterone

00:51:39.460 levels get that low, there is a legitimate chemical imbalance in your body. And that's why

00:51:44.420 the VA called my wife freaking out because those types of levels, that's suicidal issues. You mix that

00:51:50.260 with you're going out and drinking or you're taking painkillers or you're depressed over

00:51:54.460 something else. Like I legitimately understand why people, you know, could see that as an option.

00:51:59.620 Is it, you know, cause you get dark and you go down a real bad path. Fortunately, I was able to

00:52:06.260 recognize that right away. And I was like, okay, no. Well, you've been there too, right? I mean,

00:52:09.700 yeah, I've been there once before. So that's why when I was two weeks after surgery, I had four major

00:52:14.240 hernias repaired and I go to the gym cause our kids train and I brought my gi and my wife's like,

00:52:19.300 what are you doing? I was like, I'm putting my own my gi. And well, it was the anniversary of

00:52:23.860 the day that Mark Lee was killed in Iraq. Hey, I'm not, not doing anything today. I don't care

00:52:28.960 what I can do. I'm going to do something. And my coach, you know, he's here at immersion with us.

00:52:33.680 Matt Waltman, he's my black belt coach. Oh, I saw you. Yeah. And he was like, what are you doing,

00:52:38.760 bro? He's like, no, you're not training. I'm like, yeah, I am. I'm doing something. I don't know

00:52:43.240 what I can do, but I'm going to do something. And I made a commitment that anytime I'm in town

00:52:47.700 and if I can go to a jujitsu class, even if I can't roll or drill, I'm putting my gi on,

00:52:53.240 everyone else is running for the warmups and I'm walking, right? Everyone else is doing what you

00:52:57.780 can do. I'm doing pushups on my knees. You know, everyone else is squatting. I'm literally squatting

00:53:01.580 down four inches and coming back up. I'm going to do what I can because if I don't, I'm going to

00:53:05.820 continue going down that path that I don't want to go down. So if anybody's listening and if you're

00:53:09.720 having those hard times, just go do something, challenge yourself, commit to something and realize

00:53:15.640 that the ones that are around you love you and need you more than you can ever imagine.

00:53:19.820 Don't pick that easy way out. I told myself, I'm going to start challenging myself every day. We

00:53:23.540 went in and got a nice gym membership at a nice gym next to our house. All I could do is walk on

00:53:28.460 the treadmill. Guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to walk on the treadmill. I'm going to go sit in

00:53:31.340 the sauna and tell, you know, most people are coming in and out. I'm like, check that guy quit. I've

00:53:36.300 got five more minutes in here. That's what I was doing, you know? And you know, Aiden was doing it with

00:53:41.100 me and I was explaining to him why I do it. And he's like, oh, that's cool. You know, so I'm teaching him

00:53:45.300 and build that mental toughness. That is cool. And that you have to have a challenge. You have

00:53:48.740 to push yourself. And so that's what I was able to do, you know? And that's why I'm here to train

00:53:53.180 and roll. A lot of people are like, dude, you're five weeks after a major surgery. You don't need

00:53:57.920 to be here doing anything. I'm like, you don't understand. Yes, I absolutely do need to be here

00:54:02.200 and I'm going to do everything I can while being smart because it's too. Yeah. I mean, you got to

00:54:07.540 listen to your body too, right? Yes. Oh, and I'm very smart. I listen to my body and I'm not going to

00:54:12.020 injure myself, but I'm also not, not going to push myself because that becomes a habit.

00:54:18.460 Yeah. You choose the easy way out in one thing. You get better at that, right? You get really good

00:54:23.500 at choosing the easy way out and you start to justify that. And that's what I did with my marriage.

00:54:29.020 We've made the decision together that we will always choose our family and we will always make

00:54:34.680 it work and we will always choose the hard way because a successful marriage can be hard and that's

00:54:41.020 okay. I want that. I want her by my side. I want my kids to grow up and see us together

00:54:45.600 and say, Hey, you know what? Cause I have twin daughters and how I talk to a man and how I treat

00:54:50.460 Amanda is the level that they gauge. That's acceptable for them. Right. And they'll look

00:54:55.280 for that. That's exactly what they're going to look for. You know? And so when they see me opening

00:54:59.160 up Amanda's door or holding the door open for her or just grabbing Amanda in the kitchen and just

00:55:03.420 kissing her for no reason and just holding her and say, Hey, I love you. That's what they see.

00:55:06.940 And they're like, that is normal. That's the way it should be. Versus if we're arguing or if I'm

00:55:11.220 rude or if I'm disrespecting her, then my daughters will say, okay, well mommy allowed daddy to do

00:55:15.780 that. And daddy did that to mommy. So you know what? That's okay. If that happens to be like,

00:55:20.360 and I'm teaching Aiden what it's like to be a man, you know? So anywhere we go, it's almost to a

00:55:26.300 point where it's annoying where he'll open the door and stay there. I'm like, no, no, go. He's like,

00:55:30.020 no, I got it. I got it. I got it. That's cool though. That's cool. I dig it for sure. Hey,

00:55:34.340 if that's what I'm getting annoyed about, then you're doing it right. He's doing good as a kid.

00:55:38.700 That's pretty cool. I can't believe we've been talking for almost an hour because I feel like

00:55:43.000 we're barely skimming the surface. I feel like we're in the introduction.

00:55:45.720 I know. We probably ought to do another one. I'm down for sure. Yeah, let's do it. Well,

00:55:50.100 just for the sake of time, I know you and I, we both got to get going because we've got things

00:55:53.840 to do this afternoon, but I got to go get choked out a bunch of times. That's right. It'll be good

00:55:57.900 for both of us. I want to ask you a couple of questions though, as we wind down. And the first

00:56:03.880 question I didn't prepare you for, I apologize, but I think you can handle it is that question

00:56:07.400 is what does it mean to be a man? I think of my father and my grandfathers and obviously,

00:56:13.200 you know, uncles as well, but you know, first and foremost is my father who, when we were growing up,

00:56:18.580 he would wake up sick, coughing up blood because he had pneumonia and he'd still go frame 10 to 12

00:56:25.060 hours in the middle of the winter. And he would come home and then he'd go work at a restaurant

00:56:30.580 when we were asleep, you know, same as my father-in-law. He did the same thing when Amanda

00:56:36.080 and the kids were growing up, you know, he'd work his job, come home, deal with the kids. And then

00:56:41.120 when they're a bed, he'd go work a late shift and then come home and get a little bit of sleep and

00:56:46.000 be awake. And, you know, Dave Burks talked about this a lot as, and I a hundred percent agree with

00:56:50.740 it. It's like, Hey, you have that hard day at work, you come home, turn it off and fully engage

00:56:55.840 into your kids and to your family. I think we've got somebody jamming out next to us.

00:57:01.340 I know.

00:57:01.700 Is that like the music when you're on stage and they're trying to tell you to get off stage?

00:57:05.440 I don't know. Maybe they're kicking us out. Yeah. We're in this little radio room or whatever,

00:57:08.920 right next door was, they've got like drums and guitars and everything else in there.

00:57:13.200 Oh, that's awesome. Oh, well.

00:57:14.580 I think Matthew went in there to kick him off, but you guys will have to deal with the drumming.

00:57:17.840 Yeah.

00:57:18.060 I guess. I think of that as men who get the job done no matter what. And obviously I think about my

00:57:25.460 brothers who laid it on the line overseas and who never made it home. Seth Stone, the Delta platoon

00:57:31.820 commander. He taught me how to be a man in the SEAL teams. We were in SQT together when I was 19 years

00:57:38.040 old and I was checking into SEAL team three and we went into the same platoon and I was with them

00:57:44.160 on both of those deployments. And then afterwards we were really close, you know, and we're coming up

00:57:49.140 on the one year of him passing away. I think of him as a man who loved and traveled the world and

00:57:56.100 built relationships and continued to serve his country and put others first. He never failed

00:58:02.360 you, never failed you as a friend, never failed you as a leader. So I think of all those guys as

00:58:08.700 that's what I think of. Do you provide for your family? Do you love your wife? Do you love your

00:58:14.100 kids? Do you treat them with respect? How do you treat strangers? That tells me a lot about a

00:58:19.180 person. For sure. How do you treat the server at the restaurant that you're going to? Do you treat

00:58:23.420 them with respect? When you check into a hotel, do you treat the front desk staff with respect

00:58:28.940 instead of being pissed off because your flight got delayed? Yeah, that's their fault. You know,

00:58:32.980 how do you treat somebody at the airport when your flight's delayed? How do you treat those around

00:58:36.980 you? Are you looking to serve your community? Are you looking to make those around you better?

00:58:41.880 That's a man. It's who's going to put others first, who's not going to make excuses,

00:58:47.160 and he's not going to settle for an average life. It's awesome, man. It's powerful. Well,

00:58:51.240 I know you have Roll Call coming up September 21st in Dallas-Fort Worth area. Yep. Yep. How else?

00:58:58.320 How else can we connect with you guys, find out what you're doing? Obviously, Echelon Front. Yeah.

00:59:02.320 Where do we go? Where do we go to connect? So if somebody wants to learn a little bit more about

00:59:05.560 what Jocko and Leif have created, they started their leadership and management consulting company,

00:59:10.560 it's called Echelon Front. Then they wrote a book, Extreme Ownership. You can get that on Amazon.

00:59:15.060 You can go to our website, echelonfront.com, and I think you can order the book there as well.

00:59:19.520 They wrote a new book. I've read it. Holy cow. It's good. I've read it too. It's good. It's a

00:59:24.540 great book. Yeah, it's called The Dichotomy of Leadership. Yeah, so good. I think it's better

00:59:28.380 than Extreme Ownership. I think it filled in a lot of holes that inadvertently were left through

00:59:33.760 Extreme Ownership. It's a great book, no doubt, but I think it filled a lot of those holes up.

00:59:37.220 And you got to think about it. So they wrote Extreme Ownership, and now they have this book.

00:59:40.360 They have over three years of business experience that they're bringing into this book as well.

00:59:44.800 I mean, we work with companies all over the world, internationally. We're always speaking

00:59:49.660 internationally here in the States, anything and everything, all these companies. Get on Amazon.

00:59:54.440 You can pre-order that, and it'll be delivered to your doorstep on September 25th.

00:59:58.560 And you have to have a first edition.

00:59:59.960 Who wants a second edition?

01:00:01.320 Yeah.

01:00:01.680 I want the first edition.

01:00:02.820 If you want to do it right.

01:00:03.880 Absolutely. And then we have a two-day leadership symposium event that we put on called The Muster.

01:00:10.900 The next one, Muster 006, is going to be in San Francisco October 17th and 18th. It's a Wednesday,

01:00:18.460 Thursday. We are close to selling out on that.

01:00:21.440 Yeah, you have like what, 600 registrants so far?

01:00:24.120 Almost 600. Just under 600 registered. I think we're closing at 650.

01:00:28.180 So it's coming. Yeah, it's coming.

01:00:29.280 Yeah, I mean, it will sell out.

01:00:31.160 It might be there by the time we go live with this episode, actually.

01:00:34.020 Well, stand by for 2019 schedule.

01:00:36.960 That's right.

01:00:37.420 That's right.

01:00:37.960 It's been put out on Facebook, so I think I can say this. December of 2019, we're going

01:00:42.560 to be in Australia doing a muster.

01:00:44.400 In December of 2018.

01:00:45.860 Yeah, December of 2019.

01:00:46.780 Sweet.

01:00:47.660 Yeah, it's crazy that we're already planning out stuff that late.

01:00:49.960 Yeah, you're planning out way ahead. That's awesome.

01:00:51.640 If you want to connect with me on social media, if that's what you choose you want to do,

01:00:55.560 it's at JP Dinnell. So J-P-D-I-N-N-E-L-L. That's on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the

01:01:03.640 same. Yeah, send me a message. You know, sometimes I can't get back to people right away. I'll

01:01:08.360 get back to you. I filter through those when I have the time to read those messages. Just

01:01:12.780 man, if I don't get back to you right away, don't send me another message calling me an

01:01:16.180 a-hole and then I'm rude and self-absorbed.

01:01:17.420 Can't get back with me.

01:01:18.440 Like, oh, you're, you know, you got Mr. Bigshot. I'm like, no, I'm actually busy working and

01:01:22.360 I have a family to provide for. And I'm sorry, I was doing two full day leadership events back

01:01:27.680 to back and I didn't get back to you in a timely manner. Individual who's writing me

01:01:32.280 saying, hey, how do I join the Navy? Go to a recruiter's office. That'll help.

01:01:36.420 That's a great place to start.

01:01:37.700 Hey, I want to join the military. Do you know much about the army? Yeah. They're badasses.

01:01:41.640 Go to an army recruiter's office. I don't know what to tell you, bro.

01:01:44.580 That's funny. That's funny.

01:01:45.780 I actually had some guy like started sending me a bunch of nasty messages because I didn't

01:01:48.820 respond to them right away.

01:01:49.940 Oh, that's crazy. People get so upset. They love to be upset about stuff.

01:01:52.420 Yeah. And it's like, in my mind, I'm like, oh, so you want to become a Navy SEAL? So you're

01:01:56.120 going to talk shit to a Navy SEAL? Because I'm going to help you make it through training.

01:01:59.820 Hey, what's your name again? Check. I got buddies that are instructors.

01:02:03.800 Make your life hell.

01:02:04.580 Full benefit for you, buddy.

01:02:06.700 That's funny.

01:02:07.780 Well, JP, I appreciate you, man. I really do. I know it's been a long time in the works,

01:02:10.740 but it's been worth it. This has been a good conversation and we went down a different path

01:02:16.100 than I expected, but I think the message was phenomenal. I think a lot of guys need to hear

01:02:20.440 what you have to say and it'll resonate with a lot of men, myself included, who have gone

01:02:25.020 through and will go through similar experiences. So I appreciate you sharing some of your wisdom.

01:02:28.640 Absolutely. And hey, just the same thing. I saw first responders out there. Same thing to

01:02:34.000 all the men out there that are listening. Just hold the line. Be a man. Be proud to be a man

01:02:39.160 that's bold and adventurous. There's a great book called Wild at Heart.

01:02:43.780 Yeah, we've talked about it. We've had John on the show actually, which was amazing.

01:02:47.140 His book is great.

01:02:48.340 So good.

01:02:48.860 So good. So just hold the line. Do what's right. Be the man that you want your son to be.

01:02:54.620 And so that's the thing I think about all the time. How do I want Aiden to be? I want him to

01:02:58.460 be a better version of who I am 100%. So I've got to raise my standards every single day. And men across

01:03:05.660 this world need to realize that we need to continuously hold each other accountable,

01:03:10.340 push each other. And at the end of the day, it all comes down to what you're able to do.

01:03:13.820 You have to be disciplined if you want things to change.

01:03:17.100 Right on, man. Appreciate you.

01:03:18.160 Thanks, guys.

01:03:21.140 Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with JP. I told you that it was going to be a powerful

01:03:25.360 conversation. I hope that you walked away with some new information. I hope that you saw how powerful

01:03:29.780 it was. And I was just really blown away with JP's realness as he shared some difficult times that

01:03:36.480 he's experienced and of course has made him a better man. And I hope it makes you and me a

01:03:41.000 better man as well. So go check out what JP is up to with Echelon Front. You can visit the Echelon

01:03:46.480 Front website, echelonfront.com, or it's at JP Dinnell, D-I-N-N-E-L-L on Twitter, Facebook,

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01:04:31.500 All right, guys, I'll let you get going for the day. I know you've got a lot going on. I got a lot

01:04:34.860 going on. Glad you're here as always. Couldn't do it without you. It's exciting to see the growth and

01:04:39.000 I appreciate you sharing and letting other men know, the men in your life, what we're all about here

01:04:45.140 because Lord knows we need more men in this fight. All right, guys, get going. I'll get going.

01:04:50.220 Have a great week until tomorrow, Wednesday for our Ask Me Anything and Friday for our Friday

01:04:55.720 Field Notes. Go out there, take action, and become the man you are meant to be.

01:05:01.300 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. If you're ready to take charge of your life

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Order of Man - October 16, 2018

Living Life on Your Terms ｜ JP Dinnell

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