Man in the Making ｜ Friday Field Notes
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Summary
In this episode of Man in the Making, my oldest son, Brecken, joins me to talk about his life growing up in the 70's and 80's. We talk about what it was like being a kid growing up and how he became a man.
Transcript
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who
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you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler,
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and I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Men podcast and movement. We do three episodes
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per week. We have our interview show where I'm interviewing guys like Jocko Willink and Andy
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Frisilla, Tim Kennedy, Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, and I'm looking through the lineup that we have
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for the first quarter of 2022, and you guys are going to be blown away. We also do our Ask Me
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Anything, which is us, my co-host, and I, Kip Sorensen, fielding questions from social media
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and from our exclusive brotherhood, the Iron Council. And then we've got this, your Friday
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field notes, where you get to hear from me and some of my thoughts from throughout the week.
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Now, guys, this one is just a little bit different for a Friday field notes than we've done in the
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past. My son and I, my oldest son and I just recorded his very first podcast called Man in
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the Making. So we just launched that. It's available on iTunes and Spotify and all the other places.
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Again, it's called Man in the Making. And we decided that it would just be a good idea. So
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you guys are familiar with what we're doing to make that available here today on your Friday
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field notes. So this one is my son and I first episode of Man in the Making podcast. And this,
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by the way, is designed to help you with some of the conversations that I know you guys want to be
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having with your young sons as they transition into manhood. So guys, enjoy.
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Breckin here, Man in the Making podcast, episode one, here with my dad, and I'm excited to get going.
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What's up, guys? How does that feel to be able to introduce yourself on your very first
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Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, you look good. You got your, uh, what did you get your
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Definitely repping your, uh, your cowboy hat today. There's not many, uh, cowboys here in
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Nope. Just bringing a little Utah up here in Maine.
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What do you, do you think the ladies like that?
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Got any digits since you've been wearing your cowboy hat up here?
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No, I'm not yet. I haven't seen any ladies running around either, so.
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Fair enough. Once you do, you probably will, right?
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Well, Breck, I'm excited to do this with you. I've been podcasting for almost seven years
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You, uh, were, you're 13 now, so you were six, if I'm doing math right.
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When I started the Oregon Band podcast. So you've seen things really develop and evolve over the
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Yeah. It, it's been awesome watching, uh, it grow. Like I even remember the walk where
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you came up with a name and I remember sitting at the table when you were drawing the iron
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Wait, the walk. I don't know if I even remember that. Tell me what you remember.
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Yeah. I'm getting mad. So I've got a little gray hair and whatnot.
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So like we went on our Sunday walks or whatever and you're like, I'm thinking about what this
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podcast name should be. And I'm like a man's soul. Maybe I yelled that out and you're like,
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oh yeah, that's good. But I'm feeling like order of man or something like that. I, I still remember
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With that cowboy hat, you're actually taller than me. We take that off. You're about an
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inch or two shorter than me. You're wearing my boots though.
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And so you're wearing my boots now. Like you are literally wearing my boots. You're wearing
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We need to get Origin to sponsor your podcast for you.
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Now you already know, because I talked about this, who is going to be sponsoring your podcast?
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SorenX and huge thanks to Bert Soren for believing in me and sponsoring me.
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I know I didn't even release my first podcast and he's like, I'll sponsor you. So that means
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So tell me what you know about SorenX and what they do.
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Gym equipment, like their stuff's awesome. We have one of their racks and
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We've got their rack. We've got their weights. And then also we've got, what do we keep in
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AKA hollow balls. Do you know what they're really called? We just call them hollow.
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So we've got those in the living room and we do our workouts. Usually doing, if we watch
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a show, front squats and sit-ups and shoulder presses and all the fun stuff with the hollow
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We're going to try to get them to change their name to hollow balls because that's way better.
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Well, cool. So look, we, your chair is so squeaky. I don't know if you guys can hear that.
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I think, I think we're going to need a new chair. Yeah. Speaking of new chair. Um, let's
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talk about investment for a minute because we didn't, we, so, okay. So for the guys who
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are listening, we actually made a list of things that we're going to talk about today and investment
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wasn't on the list of things we were going to talk about. Yeah. So, but I want to throw
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a little curve ball here at you, uh, because this is important and this is going to be a big
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part of what we're doing here with man in the making is that you are learning how to create
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your own podcast, how to build your own website, which we've done kind of, we're like 33% done
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with it. Uh, so you're going to be learning from me about these things and from other men
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too, that you're going to have the opportunity to podcast with. And we'll talk about that.
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Um, but one of the things that I was really impressed Brecken with what you've done so far
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is that you've invested in this. So this is not something that I paid for. This is not something
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where I said, Hey, I'll write you a check or, Hey, I'll give you this or, Hey, I'll buy it for you.
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You've, you've invested in this and you've actually invested more in this than most men would do when
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they start their own business. Do you know that? Yeah. Do you really know that? Yeah. Like a little
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bit. Because do you know, do you remember how much you spent on the website? Yeah. How much
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four grand, four grand, just a little over $4,000 to secure man in the making.com. Yeah. Do you
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don't, do you know how much my first website was? No. A couple hundred. No, no, it's like 10 bucks.
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Are you kidding me? Yeah. It's like 10 bucks. And a lot of the websites I buy now,
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cause I do buy a lot of websites. If I have an idea, I buy one, uh, are about 10 bucks.
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What? So you spent 400 times that. Yeah. That's crazy. I had no clue, but
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it's, it might feel crazy. It might feel scary, but we've also talked about what you can do to
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recoup some of that cost by selling hats and shirts. And of course now Bert with Soren X is
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sponsoring you. So yeah, you can recoup that $4,000 pretty quick. And that's, that's an investment
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in yourself. Do you know what an investment is? Uh, you put money into something, you get your
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money back out of it or just get your money back. No, you get more out of it. I mean, that's the
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goal. Yeah. Does it always work out like that? No, no, no. Cause sometimes you invest money and so
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you invest $4,000 in something and it doesn't pan out and you get $2,000 back. Yeah. Good deal or bad
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deal. It could be both for that specific scenario. I just told you it's, it's a bum deal because you
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didn't get your money back. You got less than what you put into it. Yeah. On the other hand,
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if you put 4,000 in and you get eight or 10,000, yeah, that's a bad deal. That's good. Better deal,
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right? Yeah. So the whole goal of what we're doing here is not only to invest your $4,000 and then
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we've got a couple of costs, like the website hosting and the email service provider, and then
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we'll have to buy shirts so we can sell. Like you're going to learn all this stuff. Yeah. I'm
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really, really excited about it. Yeah, me too. But the whole goal is to make money. Yeah. But also
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there's something deeper behind it. And I want to ask you, what is that thing that's deeper behind it?
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Uh, I, I think meeting all sorts of new people, like just, just being your son, I've met so many
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great men. And, uh, I feel like, uh, starting this, I'll meet so many more great people. And I feel
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like the people aspect of it is the most important to me. I'm actually glad you're saying that because
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I've even felt the same way with the order of man podcast is, yeah, we make money and a living and
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we're able to put food on the table and all that stuff. That's important. Yeah. But the network that
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we have is the single greatest asset that we have when it comes to order of man. Yeah. So who are
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some of the guys that you've met that you really admire and respect? Ray cash. He's, he's my number
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one. Yeah. He's, he's awesome. I love him. He smoked you in Mexico a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. What
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did you do in Mexico with him? You haven't even fully told me what you did with him. I did. Well,
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I mean, I saw some videos cause he sent me videos and I trust Ray immensely. Um, so I didn't question
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too much, but I knew he was going to kick the crap out of you. But what did he do? So we went down to
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the beach at seven o'clock, right when the sun was coming up and he put me through like a little
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silpy tea on the beach in the water. And let me tell you, that's the hardest thing I've ever done.
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You were down there for at least an hour. Yeah. It was fun though. We did all sorts of, uh,
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body weight stuff. I'd say the hardest one was probably the Spider-Man's through the water had
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to do 50 of those. It's basically like, like you would think of Spider-Man, like crawling, pushup,
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but on, Oh, a pushup. So you sprawl your arm and your leg and then do a pushup. Yeah. Spider-Man
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pushup. Oh, is that in the water? Yeah. And then if I couldn't do any more, I drop and I'd army
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crawl, then flip to my back in the water. And then he'd say, get up. And I do more. And it was
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awesome. Did you ever feel like you were going to drown at any moment in there? No. Ray, Ray was
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right by me that I knew that he wouldn't let me drown. You told me something the other day that he,
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um, what did he do? He like, like put you backwards near a tractor that was in the beach or
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something. What was that? So we did this thing where I sprint, like it was like probably 200
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yards, a hundred yards of in the water. And I would sprint. And then if I tripped or something,
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or he just said army crawl, I'd crawl back. And we did this all the way to this net thing. And he's
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like, okay, now do it in reverse. So we lined up straight across from each other. If he moved
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somewhere, I moved with them and I ran backwards and he's like, okay, there's this front loader
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coming your way. I'm going to get you close to it. So I'm going, yeah. And I'm going and
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he's, I hear the engine getting closer and he waves at the guy. And I was probably like
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within two feet of that front loader. I was, but I wasn't nervous. And you couldn't see
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it because you're going backwards. Yeah. I wasn't nervous at all, Bill. And you were just
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listening to Ray at the moment. Yeah. Following him wherever he went. It reminds me of what
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you did with the Squire program. Yeah. And Hey, by the way, guys, we've got a Squire
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program happening May, the end of May here in Maine. Uh, and so if you're not familiar
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with Ray Cash Care, Bajos Coulion, uh, these guys do incredible, incredible work. You and
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I actually went and did the Squire program earlier this year, 2021. Yep. I mean, that was
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awesome. It actually reminds me of Steve getting in your face at the end. Let's not root. I don't
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want to root anything just in case somebody decides to come. But you remember when Steve
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got all up in your face when you had that blindfold on? Yeah. I was, and I was just trying
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to get, to get you to listen to me, not to him. Right. Yeah. So we don't want to root
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anything. Yeah. Uh, but if you're interested guys, we've got Squire program with Bedros,
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Ray and the rest of the crew that we're going to be hosting here at the end of May. I think
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it's May 28th. I don't have the date in front of me, but I think it's May 28th. If you
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go to squireprogram.com slash Ryan, squireprogram.com slash Ryan, uh, then you can learn more about
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what the Squire program is for boys between the ages of 13 to 15. It's a 15 hour rite
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of passage crucible type event designed to just push you and your boys and really help
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transition and usher them into manhood, which was something that was pretty unforgettable.
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Yeah. That, that event was awesome. All right. So we got a little sidetracked there, but, uh,
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so Ray, somebody you've met, who, who else have you met in, in the network that, that has really
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inspired you in some way? In Cancun, all of those guys are, were awesome. Jack Donovan,
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Matt Boudreau, like all of, all of the guys are Tanner. Like they were just all really good
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to hang around and I, they were just awesome. It's pretty incredible that we have the opportunities
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that we do. I mean, you get to spend some time with some pretty kick a individuals.
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Yeah. That's good, man. Well, tell me what you're thinking about, um, about this podcast,
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just in general, man in the making podcast, what you want it to be. Obviously the network's
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important to you cause you brought that up on unprompted from me, but what do you, what do
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you want this to be about? I picture it from like eight to 16 year olds, like in that area.
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I think that's the, the area that I want to target. It's going to be about drugs, porn,
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sex, all that type of stuff that, uh, sons and fathers need to have talks about real talks about.
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So they don't learn it from their buddies or that type of crap.
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Do you think it's a, do you think it's bad to learn about these things from your buddies?
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I, I can see it going either way. It's, I think it's more important to have it with your father,
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but you're going to, you're going to be out in the area with your friends and you're going to hear
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it. Yeah. I mean, you're going to be exposed to it. Yeah. You're going to be, that's the word I was
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looking for. You're going to be exposed to it with your buddies, hanging out with your buddies.
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Yeah. I, I've thought a lot about that. You know, as you get older, um, you know, you're 13 now,
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so these aren't new conversations for you. No, you and I have had conversations about this and I'm
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sure you've had some conversations with your buddies and things have been brought up. Yeah.
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Probably. Yeah. I mean, we don't need to get into that specifically, you know, we can, we can talk
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about those things, but, um, I, as a father, I really want my voice to be the loudest. Yeah.
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You know, I, I didn't have like a permanent father figure when I was growing up, when I was your age
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and you know this, cause we've talked about this. And so most of what I learned about these subjects
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from alcohol to drugs, to pornography, to girls, to all this kind of stuff. I mean, I did learn from
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my buddies and that stuff was all flawed, you know? So I really want me as a father, my voice to be the
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loudest for you so that when you do hear things out in culture and you will, whether it's through music
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or a movie or a buddy that you measure that against accurate, righteous information, which is what I
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tried to give you and provide you with. Yeah. That's it. Just. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Jocko. Good.
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That's all I have to say. No. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. So you want to have these
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conversations, anything else that you want to see come from this eight to 16 years old for,
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for boys. What else? Anything else? Um, we're planning to have maybe some events in the future.
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Yep. Uh, our store get in our store running and that's really all I have right now.
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Yeah. That's what I picture it being so far. Yeah. I think it's going to be fun. We're going to
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have a good time doing it. We're going to learn a lot. Um, that the show is probably
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going to be cleaner as we move on. Like we don't have the intro, the fancy intro music,
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but we'll have that stuff. Yeah. But that'll be yours. That won't be mine. I'll give you some
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input, but that's on you. Okay, cool. Well, we made a list of things that we wanted to talk about.
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Number one that we wanted to address today was your transformation over the past, what year,
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year and a half now. Yeah. How long has it been? Probably a year. Yeah. About year, year and a half.
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Just like you said. Yeah. So, so talk to me about the transformation. Cause I got a lot of guys and
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I don't know if you know this or not, but I have a lot of men who reach out who have sons roughly
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your age who want to get them off the video games and off the, off all the crackers and the ice cream
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and the sugar and whatnot. Yeah. And so they see you and they asked me, how'd you do it? And I'm like,
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uh, I don't really take credit for it. Cause quite honestly, it's been more you than me.
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Yeah. Yeah. I just, something clicked in me one day. I'm like, I just don't feel good
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like, like right now. So I was like, okay, I'm going to start going to the gym in the mornings with
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my mom. So we'd go to the gym probably like four to five times a week every morning. And then, uh,
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CrossFit opened up a kid's, a kid's, um, class. And I did that too. I think it's two times a week.
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And so I went down, kept going down. And I think my lowest I hit was one 12 and something clicked.
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I was like, Nope, that's all. That's too light now. So now I'm like one 35 ish right now. And
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I've been, uh, powerlifting. I'm focusing on powerlifting and football now, not so much CrossFit,
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but, um, you don't even do jujitsu with me anymore, bro. Cause coach doesn't want me doing
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other high energy. Coach Moore, if you're listening to this, you're on my list, bro.
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To be choked out. I don't know if I'd be able to coach. Uh, I look, maybe I could technically,
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but I'm not sure I could even get my arms around his thick neck to be able to chill. I'm not sure
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even has a neck. Does coach Moore have a neck? Nope. Just super big shoulders. I can tell you that
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much. So you said something interesting. You said something clicked about a year and a half ago for
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you. You didn't feel good is the term you used. What do you mean by that? I just didn't feel good
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in my body. I knew I was too heavy. I weighed like one 54 ish. I, I felt too heavy and I didn't feel
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good. Like socially, like being out in the public because I knew what my body looked like. And yeah,
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I was just a chubby roly poly kid a year and a half ago. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Maybe it's not
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funny. It's more interesting. I don't even know if that's the right word. Is that I think a lot of
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guys out there and just generally in society, uh, most people and most parents, I would say would,
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instead of helping you come to that realization would say, no, you're okay. And you're, you're good.
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And you're special just the way you are. What do you think about that? Definitely. That's
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not to throw mom under the bus, but like, I'd say I'm fat. I'm not good looking all that. And
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she'd be like, no, you're okay. Like, like just what you said. But I knew that moms just say that
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stuff. Moms are awesome, but moms just say that stuff to make you feel good about yourself. But I,
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I was like, nope, I know what I need to do. I know what I want to look like. And that's,
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that's what happened. And that's not like you said, throw moms under the bus at all, but you
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know, that is their job. I think generally women major in nurturing. Yeah. What I mean by that is
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that's what they're uniquely qualified and gifted to do is nurturing, uh, emotional support. Yeah.
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Those types of things where I think fathers are more, you know, Hey dad, I'm not feeling good in who
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I am. And I'm fat. Well, okay. What are you going to do about it? Yeah. That's what fathers do. It's,
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it's so crazy how different fathers and mothers can be. But I think both can be good. Yeah. And I
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also think both could be bad. Yeah. You know, like if you take the, the nurturing component of it to
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the extreme, like you said, you knew there's no, there's no amount of lying that can take place that
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would actually make you feel better about who you are. Yep. But the other side of it is, and I, and I
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think this is something that tends to be more exclusive towards fathers is that we can push too
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hard, right? We can be, we can go too hard on our kids and demoralize them rather than edify them,
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lift them up and drive them to action. Yeah. What's the balance?
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What's, what's the, how do you find like, as a father, you know, I I'm really curious from your
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perspective is like how I could know where the words that I'm saying are serving you and helping
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you versus where maybe they're keeping you back or hurting or hindering you. Yeah. I think that for
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a father, like once your son or your daughter starts getting frustrated and you can tell that I just
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step back a little bit, like just back off them a little bit. That's what I think it is. Just if you
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see him getting frustrated or sad, just back off a little bit, you don't need to push anymore.
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Yeah. But also it's not, that's, it's hard because being confronted with the reality,
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even though it's not comfortable is always going to be frustrating and challenging.
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Yeah. Right. So if I came to you and said, you said, let's say, let's say it this way. You came to me
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and said, dad, I'm fat. And I said, yeah, you know, you are, what can you do about it? And that
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made you uncomfortable. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? Or frustrated. Isn't that what I'm trying
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to do? Push you into that discomfort a little bit. So you'll move to action. Yeah. That makes sense
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that that way you put it, because if just like you said, if I come to you and you're like, yep,
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you are a little heavy. Me personally, that stuff wants me to go and grab it so that that's my drive
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when it makes me want something more. Do you think everybody's like that? Like,
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are all your buddies like that? Or are they different? No, I think it's either that's your
00:23:02.680
drive or you get shy and nervous and don't want to hear that. So you just back away from it.
00:23:08.520
So I know you can only speak for yourself though. And so you're driven. If somebody says,
00:23:13.440
Hey, no, here's the truth. You got to fix it. You know, you're driven enough to fix it. But what
00:23:17.600
about, what about a young man who maybe that messes with his confidence or, you know, he, he,
00:23:24.560
he flees a little bit, right? Do you understand the fight or flight concept? Have you ever heard of
00:23:29.260
that? Yeah. So you're a fighter, right? So if you're confronted with something, you're going to fight it.
00:23:34.260
Yeah. Right. You're going to put your foot down. Nope. I'm going to deal with this. I'm going to go,
00:23:37.460
but there's other people who naturally would, would flee in that situation. So how do you help
00:23:42.860
a young man who is more of that than the fighter mentality? I just say help, uh, help them build
00:23:50.480
their confidence more, spend more time with them, get them out doing real stuff like the outdoors,
00:23:56.800
all that stuff, instead of, uh, sitting around eating chips, playing video games or watching TV.
00:24:02.960
Eating chips is delicious though. Yeah, it is. But what's your favorite go-to?
00:24:08.360
We'll say it. What'd you say? Back away from those. Back away from those. Yeah. What's your
00:24:12.480
favorite, like go-to cheat snack? I mean, you used to be dialed, but let's be honest. There's a few
00:24:19.400
little cheaters. Yeah. I noticed. Yeah. What's, what are your cheaters? Anything,
00:24:23.860
I'll eat anything that sweet. Whatever's in front of you. Yeah. Fruit loaf cookies or whatever mom
00:24:28.540
made. I know. I was staring at those. I'm like, nah, I need- Those don't look very good by the way,
00:24:31.240
bro. No. I didn't try one. Trust me. They're delicious. What are they even? It's like fruit
00:24:36.160
cake, but they're, you just need to try it. They're delicious. If I try it, if I have one of the fruit
00:24:42.060
loaf cookies, I will have all of the fruit loaf cookies. But you at least need to try it just so you
00:24:46.900
know. Or maybe I shouldn't try it. So I don't know what I'm missing. Different school of thought.
00:24:53.420
Yeah. I think I'll try one. You should. For me, it's chips and salsa. Yeah. But for me,
00:25:01.260
if there's anything sweet in front of me, like, do you think it's okay? Like at this point that you
00:25:06.300
cheat a little? Yeah, definitely. Because I know that I can burn that off now. Like when I was losing
00:25:11.640
weight, I'm like, well, if I have this donut, I'm going to turn fat again. But now I understand.
00:25:16.900
And that, you know, I might get some sugar in me and maybe go up a little bit and wait,
00:25:23.040
but not that much. I'll burn that off in a day or two. Yeah. You'll burn that off by like looking
00:25:27.220
at the treadmill. Yeah. That changes, bro. When you get older, look, I'm 40 years old.
00:25:32.460
I'm not going to complain. I like being 40 because I'm pretty proud of where we are and whatnot.
00:25:37.060
And I like being a father and all the good that's happening in our life. But I'm not going to lie.
00:25:41.780
It takes a little longer to work off that donut than it does when you're 13 years old.
00:25:47.040
Yeah. So eat, eat, eat sweets when you're younger.
00:25:52.640
That's exactly. Enjoy it while you can't sucka. Yeah.
00:25:56.020
Because one day it's going to be a lot more difficult than it is now. Yeah.
00:25:59.400
So, all right. So all of this culminated, your transformation culminated over the past,
00:26:04.200
I would say, uh, what's it been about a month, month and a half where you actually had your
00:26:08.780
first power lift meet. Yeah. So tell me about that. Uh, so my coach, coach more awesome guy.
00:26:16.500
I love working with them. Uh, there was us three. It was me and some of my football buddies and friends
00:26:24.680
and, uh, the older one, he's done meets before. And me, who is this? It's the Cousinos, Dane and Reed.
00:26:33.060
And me and Reed were just, just starting and coach is like, yeah, this meets coming up. Uh,
00:26:40.180
Dane's going to do it. It will be a second meet. And, uh, I was like, oh yeah, I want to do that.
00:26:46.880
So I got signed up and then coach came to Reed with the opportunity. He's like, Reed, you should
00:26:52.560
come compete at this first lift. So probably when we signed up, it was like a month or two out
00:27:01.380
probably. So just trained, I think football ended a little bit before it, so we could rest. And it was
00:27:09.660
funny because it was three days down to one day when we got into like this three month period that was
00:27:16.520
only training one day a week. Oh really? I don't even remember that. It was only one day a week,
00:27:21.320
which is crazy because we got stronger just training one day a week. So after that went to
00:27:28.840
my first meet and it was just an awesome experience. I love the people there. I love the
00:27:34.480
environment. It was really fun. And did you hit, uh, did you get three new PRs? Yeah. At the lift,
00:27:40.560
it's at the meet itself. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I did. One 70 on my squat.
00:27:47.520
Um, 93 on my bench and two 15 on my deadlift. That's right. And I was, I was really happy with
00:27:55.080
that. But I think you could have hit two, at least two 25, so two plates on your deads.
00:28:00.320
Yeah. Me too. But what, tell me about that. Cause I know when you lifted, I was like, Oh bro,
00:28:05.420
he could have went more. And then I was talking to you after and coach gave you some options and you
00:28:09.920
went with one of the options and now you're kind of like, yeah, I should have done more. So talk about
00:28:14.000
that. So coach more, he'd be in the back and he'd have like a sheet and it'd have all our weight on
00:28:20.340
it. And he's, he arranged what weights we should do at the competition. And we could pick like one
00:28:26.900
out of two. So I picked the lighter one on my deadlift because it's crazy because in person,
00:28:34.200
like you lifting the weight, it's actually harder than, than it looks like on film. Like they,
00:28:41.340
they filmed it. And like, when I was pulling, I was like, Oh, this is so hard. And then I watched
00:28:46.960
the video and it went up so easy. I was like, are you kidding me? I could have went heavier on that.
00:28:51.680
So I was a little bummed about that, but I was happy. So if you could do it over again,
00:28:56.540
what would you do? Would you go with the higher weight? Yeah, I'd go higher. Okay. So I think
00:29:00.740
that was, I think that's what I would have assumed, but what if you missed that higher weight? How would
00:29:06.460
you have felt about that? I would have felt, Oh, so bad. That would have made me so mad.
00:29:12.960
But it's okay. So that's interesting. So it would have made you mad. Yeah. So what?
00:29:16.840
Um, we'll get it next time. I mean, is that what you would do? Or do you think it would like be
00:29:22.800
demoralizing or? No, for me, since I'm a fighter, I'd be like, okay, I'm going to wear a Carter so I
00:29:29.500
can get this deadlift. So do you have goals? Cause you have another event coming up. What in,
00:29:33.980
is it March? Yeah. March. So do you have certain goals that you guys want to hit or how does that
00:29:39.460
work? So coach is looking at everything. He's probably setting up, uh, weights we want.
00:29:46.140
I don't want to hit at the meet, but I would think I want 185, 180 on my squat.
00:29:54.140
So go up about what? 10 pounds, 10, 15 pounds. Yeah. And then on, um, bench bench is not my
00:30:00.660
strongest. I'd like to get to a hundred seven pounds more. It might be tough, but that's what
00:30:05.620
I want to hit. And then on deadlift, I think 225, 235 would be good. Oh, at least I think you can
00:30:12.580
do 235. You think? Dope, bro. You could have done 235 this last one. Yeah. Oh no. I guess
00:30:18.920
we'll see in March though. I know. Okay. We'll see. We got to figure out these like kilogram
00:30:24.360
conversion ratios and stuff. I'm like, I don't know what 400 kilograms is compared to how many pounds
00:30:31.560
it is. I have no idea. So weird. Fortunately, they put it us, put, put the weight that pounds
00:30:36.680
up for us. Uh, layman at the meat as well. The American weight, the American weight, the only
00:30:41.980
weight that matters. Yeah. Why do they do it in kilograms? Do you know? No, I just cause maybe
00:30:47.840
it's more universal. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. It is weird. You should do it
00:30:52.640
the American way. Yeah. What do you think? America. America. Uh, all right. So look, we wrote a couple
00:31:00.200
of things down here. We've got through a lot. Um, there is one conversation I really wanted to have
00:31:04.720
with you. And we talked about this before, but we said that we were going to throw a disclaimer up,
00:31:08.240
right? Yeah. Do you want to throw the disclaimer up? If you have little ones, turn it off right now.
00:31:14.860
That's all that needs to be said. We're going to talk about what? Santa. We're going to talk about
00:31:20.860
Christmas and Santa Claus. Yeah. So again, throw the disclaimer out there, make a little more vocal,
00:31:26.720
be a little bit more firm about it. Go ahead. If you have a little one, turn it off now. That's right.
00:31:34.280
Now look, if you, if you're listening to this podcast and you'd like what we have to say,
00:31:39.320
and you're interested in having the same conversation with your boy on this particular
00:31:43.640
subject, we're going to cover right now. Cause we are really going to try to be clean.
00:31:47.340
Yeah. I know mom's the swear in the family. Occasionally I still swear. I'm not, we're going
00:31:52.760
to not swear on this podcast. We're going to keep things on the up and up. We're going to keep
00:31:57.080
things clean, but event, but occasionally we're going to talk about some sensitive subjects.
00:32:00.960
Yeah. This is one of those sensitive subjects. So throw the disclaimer out there one more time.
00:32:08.080
If you have a little one, turn it off now. All right. I think you just like hearing me talk like
00:32:14.460
that. Well, I do like that, but also I want to give the guys plenty of time to acknowledge that
00:32:20.260
if they have a little one to turn it off now, you can always come back. If you agree with what we have
00:32:26.340
to say, and you want to have this conversation, you always come back and listen to it with your
00:32:29.840
little one. Yeah. But if you have a little one, turn it off now. That's right. Okay. I think we've
00:32:35.280
covered it. Yeah. Okay. So, so let's talk about this. So we've got Christmas coming up today as the
00:32:41.440
recording of this, it's December 21st. This will be released the 31st. So Christmas was last week.
00:32:47.720
I want to talk, I'll talk about Santa Claus. Me too. Because you still believe in Santa Claus.
00:32:55.640
I was like, okay, I don't think so, but okay. So you know that Santa Claus is Santa mom and dad
00:33:04.480
at this point. Okay. So I've been thinking about this, you know, we've got four other kids,
00:33:10.040
or excuse me, three other kids, four other kids. I don't know where the fifth one is,
00:33:13.700
but we've got three other kids, right? We're at 50% right now. Two of you know that Santa Claus is
00:33:20.040
mom and dad. Yeah. Two believe that Santa Claus is actually Santa Claus. So I want to hear from
00:33:27.220
you again, this is without prompting because you didn't know we're going to talk about this.
00:33:31.160
I want to hear from you. What do you think? Should parents talk about Santa Claus? Like he's a real
00:33:37.920
person. And I mean, essentially it is lying, right? Yeah. Okay. So should parents do this or should
00:33:45.380
they be truthful about it and not bring up Santa Claus, not have a Santa Claus type tradition?
00:33:52.640
What's your thought? I feel like it's good to believe in Santa Claus because it gives the kids
00:33:58.180
something to look forward every year and something to believe in. That's my opinion. I think that's
00:34:03.360
important. But I also see the side of not telling, uh, telling kids about Santa because if you're more
00:34:11.840
churchy, I don't know the word, but if you're like religious, spiritual, Christian, yeah, I would,
00:34:19.240
it's all about your family, but it seems like more religious people do not believe in Santa. I don't
00:34:26.160
know why. Well, because Christmas is about Christ's birth. So they don't want to have him interfering
00:34:34.820
with their religious beliefs. I agree. Okay. So what's the answer? If let me ask you this way. If when
00:34:46.940
you're a father, which by the way is really weird. The other day you said something so casually, I don't
00:34:52.020
even know if you acknowledged it where, I don't know, we were doing orders or something. And you
00:34:56.820
said, when I have a daughter, I don't even remember what we were talking about. I was like, what?
00:35:01.800
The fact that you're even thinking about having a daughter is so freaking crazy to me. Um, so I'll
00:35:08.420
reframe it this way. When you have children of your own, are you a Santa guy or a truth guy that Santa's
00:35:18.900
not? I will be doing Santa. You will be doing Santa. I don't, I don't have a problem with Santa,
00:35:25.520
but I see the other side of the equation too, because it is lying, right? Yeah. Is lying okay?
00:35:32.880
No, but in some cases it can be. So it's not no. Yeah. It's sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it can. It
00:35:40.480
just depends. Like what other situations is lying? Okay. Maybe if you didn't want your kid to find out
00:35:46.800
like if someone died, like they'd figure out eventually, but maybe if you didn't want them,
00:35:51.540
maybe they were having a bad day already and their grandma just died. Would you want to say
00:35:55.660
your grandma just died or would you want to say, uh, that's interesting. No, that's you're not right
00:36:02.180
or wrong. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'm having these conversations is not to say, well, that's wrong.
00:36:05.960
You should do it. It's like really figure it out. Yeah. So that the guys can then go in and
00:36:11.220
have conversations with their children about the, some of the same conversations that we're having.
00:36:16.280
Yeah. So you're a Santa guy. Yeah. Yeah. I heard an interesting take, um, just the other day. In
00:36:22.720
fact, it might've even been this morning. Uh, somebody had posted something on Instagram and
00:36:27.040
said, you know, you should, you, you shouldn't lie about Santa Claus. Like there should be no Santa
00:36:32.020
Claus, especially if you're a Christian. Uh, because if your children come to find out that we lied to you
00:36:40.640
about Santa Claus and told you we had, there's this like fake person who wanted to do good and
00:36:45.040
serve other people. And then we lied and you found out it wasn't real. Then would you have those same
00:36:50.200
feelings about Christ? Yeah. That, that makes sense. You know? So I don't know what the answer is. I
00:36:55.980
really, yeah, it's, but I don't, I also don't think that I've never really considered this deeply,
00:37:01.800
but I, I don't know that not having Santa would take anything away from Christmas. Do you?
00:37:12.820
No, I don't think. Cause I mean, if you had the, well, like what it really was, which is about
00:37:16.660
Christ, that's what you said. And you're right. A hundred percent right on that. Um, you can still
00:37:21.140
do presents and say, well, we do presents because we care about each other and we want to serve each
00:37:24.780
other and we love each other. Yeah. You know? So I don't know that just like take away. Yeah.
00:37:29.360
I don't know. I don't think it'd take away at all. If you figured out all your kids figured out
00:37:35.800
about Santa, that he isn't real. I don't think they wouldn't enjoy the holiday anymore. I think
00:37:44.360
they'd love it just the same. Well, did it, did his Christmas ruin because you don't know Santa Claus?
00:37:53.440
No. It's still good. No, because I don't believe in Santa Claus. I know he's not real, but I still
00:37:59.120
love Christmas. It's my favorite time of the year. And you also help us with the kids and
00:38:05.020
setting things up. Yeah. Which is awesome. So you help in the deceit. Which is fun. You help in the
00:38:08.680
lies. Yeah. You're complicit in the lies. Yeah. That's how we met you. All right. Well guys,
00:38:16.120
I mean, you guys can ponder on it, right? Yeah. They have to make, look, at the end of the day,
00:38:20.940
everybody has to make their own decisions. Yeah. We're just talking about some of it. Yeah. All right.
00:38:25.180
You can turn it back on. Would you say, turn it back on the podcast for your kids? Oh, now you can
00:38:31.780
have little ones listening. All right. Perfect. Good. Well, let's, uh, let's pivot here real quick.
00:38:37.780
And then I think we'll wrap things up for today. So how are you feeling about your first podcast so
00:38:41.860
far? It was fun. I mean, you've done another pod. You've done some podcasting with me.
00:38:45.620
I think you've done two episodes with me on my podcast. Maybe even three, I think.
00:38:49.600
Oh, big time now. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Let's move into,
00:38:59.200
so that's December 31st after the release of this podcast. So we're coming into a new year.
00:39:03.580
So what's on people's minds? New year's goals. That's right. Do you have any new year's goals
00:39:09.880
that you've thought about that you want to complete in 2022? Um, I want to qualify for nationals probably
00:39:16.860
next year and, um, nationals with powerlifting. Yeah. Not NFR because you've got your, do you know
00:39:23.340
what NFR is? Do you know what NFR is? I'm trying to think. It sounds so familiar. It's rodeo. Okay.
00:39:29.800
Yeah. That's what I thought it was. You've got your cowboy hat on. So I'm like, maybe he wants to do
00:39:33.160
rodeo. No national teens for powerlifting. That's what I want to call. I think I'm like 60 pounds away from
00:39:40.140
qualifying. 60 pounds. All together. Yeah. All together. And when you competed last year,
00:39:47.280
you were 13, but there's not a, you're still 13. I know, but I'm just saying when you competed,
00:39:52.540
you were 13 and there isn't a 13 age bracket. No, I, I competed with kids who are a year older than me.
00:40:00.220
If no, even two years, isn't it 14 and 15 or is it just 14? I don't know. I'm trying to think,
00:40:06.220
but I know that the age bracket, like 11 to 13 or something like that was like youth lifting.
00:40:14.260
So I went up for teen lifting. So you didn't do youth lifting. You know, teen lifting. Yeah.
00:40:19.240
Which I wasn't even in the age for teen lifting. Yeah. Cause it's 14 or might even be 15. I don't
00:40:24.780
know for sure. Yeah. And my next March lift before my birthday and I'll still be 13. That's right.
00:40:31.680
So I'll be competing with 14 year olds again. Awesome. And so you're 60 pounds away. Okay.
00:40:36.380
So that's a good goal. So, uh, qualify for nationals. And what does that mean? You go like,
00:40:42.840
is there another meet that you would go to somewhere else? I think it's out of country. Like when Dane
00:40:47.880
qualifies this year, if he does, he's going to Chicago for nationals. Chicago's not out of the
00:40:53.160
country. Oh, well, where do you think Chicago is bro? Illinois. Yeah. I know that, but he's
00:41:04.360
going to go to Chicago. Got it. Yeah. So there's, there's nationals. Do you know what national
00:41:10.060
is? It's okay. If you don't, it's, it's nationals. Like, like what, what is national? What geographic
00:41:16.900
area does national include? The whole world? No, no. The whole, the whole country. Yeah.
00:41:24.300
There we go. Okay. Okay. Now. And then there's international, which is everywhere. Like globally.
00:41:30.220
Yeah. Right. I'm not trying to pick on you. I just need to make sure you understand this. Yeah. I got
00:41:34.100
it. So where is Chicago? Is it, is it in the U S or is it outside of the U S it's in the U S. Okay.
00:41:38.720
Good. I just want to make sure we understand that. No, that's still a worthy goal though. It's a great
00:41:44.220
goal. So qualify for nationals. Cool. That's good. What else? I want to get my first archery
00:41:51.500
buck this year. You do? Yeah. Why not just your first archery deer in general? I don't know
00:41:59.140
because I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just curious. Yeah. Bucks are way cooler than killing
00:42:02.860
a doe. A doe is nice, but a rack is also nice too. I'm it's about the meat, but is killing
00:42:09.420
a buck harder than killing a doe? No. Yes. Bucks for, I think bucks are smarter than does
00:42:16.080
personally. I mean, yeah, you're going to have fewer opportunities than a doe. I think.
00:42:19.840
Yeah. I also think there's an emotional challenge that comes with shooting a buck, at least for
00:42:24.180
me, because when I see a rack, I'm like, boo, and I freak out. I see a doe. I'm like, big
00:42:28.860
deal. Yeah. My dad likes to shoot deer and deers in the balls. So deer in the balls.
00:42:34.480
That's how you, that's how you do it, man. Yeah. We'll have to tell that story. Yeah.
00:42:39.360
That'd be fun. Oh, we will tell that story. Yeah, for sure. Um, okay. So take your first
00:42:46.160
archery. I'm writing these down. Cause I want to know, and I'm going to hold you to them. Archery,
00:42:50.200
uh, buck, anything else? That's all I have right now in my head. What about, um, and you don't have
00:42:57.420
to answer this now, but here's something to consider is goals for this particular podcast and movement
00:43:02.480
that we're creating now. Yeah. I didn't even think of that might be something we're thinking
00:43:11.440
about. Yeah. I don't have anything right now. We can talk about, about it. And then maybe,
00:43:15.460
uh, on the next podcast next week, you'll have a week to think about it and then we can talk
00:43:20.520
about what those goals are. Yeah. And in the next week, we're going to be working on emails
00:43:24.700
and funnels and different things that I'm going to be teaching you about. So we've got a lot
00:43:29.940
to learn. Yes. Cool. Any, uh, parting words of wisdom or questions or advice or anything
00:43:36.020
like that before we close things out today? Follow through. That's, that's my phrase, I
00:43:43.000
guess. Follow through with anything you do. So follow through. And this is Brecken again.
00:43:49.960
This is a first man in the making podcast. And if you want to figure out what we're doing,
00:43:54.260
go to man in the making.com. Well done, my son. You did good. 42 minutes of pure entertaining
00:44:03.100
information. Yes. Really entertaining. All right, brother. Well, we'll be back, uh,
00:44:10.220
next week. Okay. Thank you, Breck. Looking forward to doing this with you. Thanks for
00:44:14.600
helping me. Love you, buddy. Love you too. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.
00:44:19.560
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00:44:23.920
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