Order of Man - Man in the Making ｜ Friday Field Notes

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.160 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.720 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler,

00:00:27.680 and I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Men podcast and movement. We do three episodes

00:00:32.940 per week. We have our interview show where I'm interviewing guys like Jocko Willink and Andy

00:00:38.380 Frisilla, Tim Kennedy, Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw, and I'm looking through the lineup that we have

00:00:44.480 for the first quarter of 2022, and you guys are going to be blown away. We also do our Ask Me

00:00:50.000 Anything, which is us, my co-host, and I, Kip Sorensen, fielding questions from social media

00:00:56.100 and from our exclusive brotherhood, the Iron Council. And then we've got this, your Friday

00:01:00.300 field notes, where you get to hear from me and some of my thoughts from throughout the week.

00:01:04.420 Now, guys, this one is just a little bit different for a Friday field notes than we've done in the

00:01:10.320 past. My son and I, my oldest son and I just recorded his very first podcast called Man in

00:01:16.840 the Making. So we just launched that. It's available on iTunes and Spotify and all the other places.

00:01:23.180 Again, it's called Man in the Making. And we decided that it would just be a good idea. So

00:01:29.660 you guys are familiar with what we're doing to make that available here today on your Friday

00:01:34.320 field notes. So this one is my son and I first episode of Man in the Making podcast. And this,

00:01:41.420 by the way, is designed to help you with some of the conversations that I know you guys want to be

00:01:47.340 having with your young sons as they transition into manhood. So guys, enjoy.

00:01:56.260 Breckin here, Man in the Making podcast, episode one, here with my dad, and I'm excited to get going.

00:02:02.280 What's up, guys? How does that feel to be able to introduce yourself on your very first

00:02:06.140 Man in the Making podcast ever?

00:02:08.740 So awesome. It's, it's already fun.

00:02:11.260 Sound a little awkward though.

00:02:12.360 Me? I'm a teenager, so I'm a little awkward.

00:02:16.860 Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, you look good. You got your, uh, what did you get your

00:02:21.280 Fuel Hunt shirt on?

00:02:22.500 Yep.

00:02:23.080 Definitely repping your, uh, your cowboy hat today. There's not many, uh, cowboys here in

00:02:26.920 Maine though.

00:02:27.520 Nope. Just bringing a little Utah up here in Maine.

00:02:30.780 What do you, do you think the ladies like that? 1.00

00:02:32.660 Yeah. Everyone, everyone loves a cowboy hat.

00:02:35.680 You think?

00:02:36.560 Yeah.

00:02:37.040 Is that what the ladies like? 1.00

00:02:38.000 Yeah.

00:02:38.760 Got any digits since you've been wearing your cowboy hat up here?

00:02:41.060 No, I'm not yet. I haven't seen any ladies running around either, so. 1.00

00:02:45.160 Fair enough. Once you do, you probably will, right?

00:02:47.780 Yeah.

00:02:48.280 Well, Breck, I'm excited to do this with you. I've been podcasting for almost seven years

00:02:54.600 now. You've been watching me do this.

00:02:56.960 Yep.

00:02:57.400 You, uh, were, you're 13 now, so you were six, if I'm doing math right.

00:03:03.680 That's crazy.

00:03:04.380 When I started the Oregon Band podcast. So you've seen things really develop and evolve over the

00:03:09.600 past six years. What do you think about it?

00:03:11.220 Yeah. It, it's been awesome watching, uh, it grow. Like I even remember the walk where

00:03:18.040 you came up with a name and I remember sitting at the table when you were drawing the iron

00:03:22.960 council logo. I remember all that.

00:03:25.160 Wait, the walk. I don't know if I even remember that. Tell me what you remember.

00:03:29.220 Well, you're kind of old, so, you know. 0.52

00:03:30.540 Yeah. I'm getting mad. So I've got a little gray hair and whatnot.

00:03:32.820 So like we went on our Sunday walks or whatever and you're like, I'm thinking about what this

00:03:39.540 podcast name should be. And I'm like a man's soul. Maybe I yelled that out and you're like,

00:03:44.300 oh yeah, that's good. But I'm feeling like order of man or something like that. I, I still remember

00:03:49.260 that.

00:03:49.800 Really?

00:03:49.940 Yeah.

00:03:50.300 Yeah. That's crazy.

00:03:51.480 Yeah. I have a good knowledge.

00:03:52.980 Yeah. I don't even remember that.

00:03:54.300 Yeah.

00:03:54.440 Well, a lot's changed over the past six years.

00:03:58.400 Yeah.

00:03:58.860 You've gotten a little lighter.

00:04:00.800 Yeah.

00:04:01.560 A little taller.

00:04:02.620 Yeah.

00:04:03.060 A lot taller.

00:04:04.460 Yeah.

00:04:04.700 With that cowboy hat, you're actually taller than me. We take that off. You're about an

00:04:08.340 inch or two shorter than me. You're wearing my boots though.

00:04:10.620 I think like an inch maybe, but whatever.

00:04:13.300 An inch or two.

00:04:14.480 An inch.

00:04:16.160 And so you're wearing my boots now. Like you are literally wearing my boots. You're wearing

00:04:20.020 my old Origin boots.

00:04:21.660 Yeah.

00:04:21.900 We need to get Origin to sponsor your podcast for you.

00:04:25.000 Yeah. That'd be sick.

00:04:26.020 Now you already know, because I talked about this, who is going to be sponsoring your podcast?

00:04:30.580 SorenX and huge thanks to Bert Soren for believing in me and sponsoring me.

00:04:36.440 I mean, how cool is that?

00:04:38.040 I know I didn't even release my first podcast and he's like, I'll sponsor you. So that means

00:04:42.960 a lot to me.

00:04:43.920 So tell me what you know about SorenX and what they do.

00:04:47.300 Gym equipment, like their stuff's awesome. We have one of their racks and

00:04:51.860 it's awesome. I love that thing.

00:04:54.000 We've got their rack. We've got their weights. And then also we've got, what do we keep in

00:04:59.080 the living room? 0.95

00:05:00.160 Hollow balls. 0.98

00:05:01.400 AKA hollow balls. Do you know what they're really called? We just call them hollow.

00:05:04.620 Center mash bells.

00:05:05.500 That's right.

00:05:05.880 So we've got those in the living room and we do our workouts. Usually doing, if we watch

00:05:10.720 a show, front squats and sit-ups and shoulder presses and all the fun stuff with the hollow

00:05:15.840 balls from SorenX.

00:05:17.660 Yeah.

00:05:17.920 We're going to try to get them to change their name to hollow balls because that's way better. 0.98

00:05:21.540 Yeah. That'd be, that'd be way better. 0.93

00:05:24.680 Well, cool. So look, we, your chair is so squeaky. I don't know if you guys can hear that.

00:05:30.160 It's annoying.

00:05:30.420 I think, I think we're going to need a new chair. Yeah. Speaking of new chair. Um, let's

00:05:34.840 talk about investment for a minute because we didn't, we, so, okay. So for the guys who

00:05:41.000 are listening, we actually made a list of things that we're going to talk about today and investment

00:05:44.980 wasn't on the list of things we were going to talk about. Yeah. So, but I want to throw

00:05:48.820 a little curve ball here at you, uh, because this is important and this is going to be a big

00:05:53.640 part of what we're doing here with man in the making is that you are learning how to create

00:05:59.820 your own podcast, how to build your own website, which we've done kind of, we're like 33% done

00:06:07.820 with it. Uh, so you're going to be learning from me about these things and from other men

00:06:13.260 too, that you're going to have the opportunity to podcast with. And we'll talk about that.

00:06:17.220 Um, but one of the things that I was really impressed Brecken with what you've done so far

00:06:20.820 is that you've invested in this. So this is not something that I paid for. This is not something

00:06:29.880 where I said, Hey, I'll write you a check or, Hey, I'll give you this or, Hey, I'll buy it for you.

00:06:34.500 You've, you've invested in this and you've actually invested more in this than most men would do when 0.94

00:06:41.720 they start their own business. Do you know that? Yeah. Do you really know that? Yeah. Like a little

00:06:47.200 bit. Because do you know, do you remember how much you spent on the website? Yeah. How much

00:06:50.760 four grand, four grand, just a little over $4,000 to secure man in the making.com. Yeah. Do you

00:06:56.880 don't, do you know how much my first website was? No. A couple hundred. No, no, it's like 10 bucks.

00:07:03.700 Are you kidding me? Yeah. It's like 10 bucks. And a lot of the websites I buy now,

00:07:07.760 cause I do buy a lot of websites. If I have an idea, I buy one, uh, are about 10 bucks.

00:07:12.080 What? So you spent 400 times that. Yeah. That's crazy. I had no clue, but

00:07:19.680 it's, it might feel crazy. It might feel scary, but we've also talked about what you can do to

00:07:26.640 recoup some of that cost by selling hats and shirts. And of course now Bert with Soren X is

00:07:31.700 sponsoring you. So yeah, you can recoup that $4,000 pretty quick. And that's, that's an investment

00:07:37.600 in yourself. Do you know what an investment is? Uh, you put money into something, you get your

00:07:43.920 money back out of it or just get your money back. No, you get more out of it. I mean, that's the

00:07:50.160 goal. Yeah. Does it always work out like that? No, no, no. Cause sometimes you invest money and so

00:07:57.800 you invest $4,000 in something and it doesn't pan out and you get $2,000 back. Yeah. Good deal or bad

00:08:03.000 deal. It could be both for that specific scenario. I just told you it's, it's a bum deal because you

00:08:11.220 didn't get your money back. You got less than what you put into it. Yeah. On the other hand,

00:08:15.620 if you put 4,000 in and you get eight or 10,000, yeah, that's a bad deal. That's good. Better deal,

00:08:20.480 right? Yeah. So the whole goal of what we're doing here is not only to invest your $4,000 and then

00:08:27.280 we've got a couple of costs, like the website hosting and the email service provider, and then

00:08:34.040 we'll have to buy shirts so we can sell. Like you're going to learn all this stuff. Yeah. I'm

00:08:37.700 really, really excited about it. Yeah, me too. But the whole goal is to make money. Yeah. But also

00:08:42.420 there's something deeper behind it. And I want to ask you, what is that thing that's deeper behind it?

00:08:48.820 Uh, I, I think meeting all sorts of new people, like just, just being your son, I've met so many

00:08:56.220 great men. And, uh, I feel like, uh, starting this, I'll meet so many more great people. And I feel

00:09:05.200 like the people aspect of it is the most important to me. I'm actually glad you're saying that because

00:09:11.080 I've even felt the same way with the order of man podcast is, yeah, we make money and a living and

00:09:16.320 we're able to put food on the table and all that stuff. That's important. Yeah. But the network that

00:09:20.100 we have is the single greatest asset that we have when it comes to order of man. Yeah. So who are

00:09:27.560 some of the guys that you've met that you really admire and respect? Ray cash. He's, he's my number

00:09:32.920 one. Yeah. He's, he's awesome. I love him. He smoked you in Mexico a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. What

00:09:39.420 did you do in Mexico with him? You haven't even fully told me what you did with him. I did. Well,

00:09:43.500 I mean, I saw some videos cause he sent me videos and I trust Ray immensely. Um, so I didn't question

00:09:49.320 too much, but I knew he was going to kick the crap out of you. But what did he do? So we went down to 0.90

00:09:54.660 the beach at seven o'clock, right when the sun was coming up and he put me through like a little

00:10:00.340 silpy tea on the beach in the water. And let me tell you, that's the hardest thing I've ever done.

00:10:06.940 You were down there for at least an hour. Yeah. It was fun though. We did all sorts of, uh,

00:10:12.380 body weight stuff. I'd say the hardest one was probably the Spider-Man's through the water had

00:10:18.920 to do 50 of those. It's basically like, like you would think of Spider-Man, like crawling, pushup,

00:10:24.320 but on, Oh, a pushup. So you sprawl your arm and your leg and then do a pushup. Yeah. Spider-Man

00:10:28.460 pushup. Oh, is that in the water? Yeah. And then if I couldn't do any more, I drop and I'd army

00:10:34.720 crawl, then flip to my back in the water. And then he'd say, get up. And I do more. And it was

00:10:40.820 awesome. Did you ever feel like you were going to drown at any moment in there? No. Ray, Ray was

00:10:45.540 right by me that I knew that he wouldn't let me drown. You told me something the other day that he,

00:10:50.160 um, what did he do? He like, like put you backwards near a tractor that was in the beach or

00:10:56.820 something. What was that? So we did this thing where I sprint, like it was like probably 200

00:11:03.780 yards, a hundred yards of in the water. And I would sprint. And then if I tripped or something,

00:11:09.960 or he just said army crawl, I'd crawl back. And we did this all the way to this net thing. And he's

00:11:16.360 like, okay, now do it in reverse. So we lined up straight across from each other. If he moved

00:11:22.380 somewhere, I moved with them and I ran backwards and he's like, okay, there's this front loader

00:11:27.100 coming your way. I'm going to get you close to it. So I'm going, yeah. And I'm going and

00:11:32.880 he's, I hear the engine getting closer and he waves at the guy. And I was probably like

00:11:37.120 within two feet of that front loader. I was, but I wasn't nervous. And you couldn't see

00:11:41.720 it because you're going backwards. Yeah. I wasn't nervous at all, Bill. And you were just

00:11:45.280 listening to Ray at the moment. Yeah. Following him wherever he went. It reminds me of what

00:11:50.140 you did with the Squire program. Yeah. And Hey, by the way, guys, we've got a Squire

00:11:55.060 program happening May, the end of May here in Maine. Uh, and so if you're not familiar

00:12:01.660 with Ray Cash Care, Bajos Coulion, uh, these guys do incredible, incredible work. You and

00:12:07.520 I actually went and did the Squire program earlier this year, 2021. Yep. I mean, that was

00:12:13.540 awesome. It actually reminds me of Steve getting in your face at the end. Let's not root. I don't

00:12:19.420 want to root anything just in case somebody decides to come. But you remember when Steve

00:12:23.200 got all up in your face when you had that blindfold on? Yeah. I was, and I was just trying

00:12:29.780 to get, to get you to listen to me, not to him. Right. Yeah. So we don't want to root

00:12:33.920 anything. Yeah. Uh, but if you're interested guys, we've got Squire program with Bedros,

00:12:40.180 Ray and the rest of the crew that we're going to be hosting here at the end of May. I think

00:12:43.160 it's May 28th. I don't have the date in front of me, but I think it's May 28th. If you

00:12:48.260 go to squireprogram.com slash Ryan, squireprogram.com slash Ryan, uh, then you can learn more about

00:12:58.120 what the Squire program is for boys between the ages of 13 to 15. It's a 15 hour rite

00:13:04.640 of passage crucible type event designed to just push you and your boys and really help

00:13:12.520 transition and usher them into manhood, which was something that was pretty unforgettable.

00:13:16.480 Yeah. That, that event was awesome. All right. So we got a little sidetracked there, but, uh,

00:13:21.020 so Ray, somebody you've met, who, who else have you met in, in the network that, that has really

00:13:26.040 inspired you in some way? In Cancun, all of those guys are, were awesome. Jack Donovan,

00:13:32.440 Matt Boudreau, like all of, all of the guys are Tanner. Like they were just all really good

00:13:38.280 to hang around and I, they were just awesome. It's pretty incredible that we have the opportunities

00:13:45.260 that we do. I mean, you get to spend some time with some pretty kick a individuals.

00:13:49.800 Yeah. That's good, man. Well, tell me what you're thinking about, um, about this podcast,

00:13:55.620 just in general, man in the making podcast, what you want it to be. Obviously the network's

00:14:01.740 important to you cause you brought that up on unprompted from me, but what do you, what do

00:14:06.700 you want this to be about? I picture it from like eight to 16 year olds, like in that area.

00:14:14.060 I think that's the, the area that I want to target. It's going to be about drugs, porn,

00:14:20.540 sex, all that type of stuff that, uh, sons and fathers need to have talks about real talks about. 0.99

00:14:27.380 So they don't learn it from their buddies or that type of crap. 0.96

00:14:30.880 Do you think it's a, do you think it's bad to learn about these things from your buddies? 0.97

00:14:33.700 I, I can see it going either way. It's, I think it's more important to have it with your father,

00:14:41.680 but you're going to, you're going to be out in the area with your friends and you're going to hear

00:14:47.860 it. Yeah. I mean, you're going to be exposed to it. Yeah. You're going to be, that's the word I was

00:14:52.620 looking for. You're going to be exposed to it with your buddies, hanging out with your buddies.

00:14:57.300 Yeah. I, I've thought a lot about that. You know, as you get older, um, you know, you're 13 now,

00:15:03.840 so these aren't new conversations for you. No, you and I have had conversations about this and I'm

00:15:09.420 sure you've had some conversations with your buddies and things have been brought up. Yeah.

00:15:13.540 Probably. Yeah. I mean, we don't need to get into that specifically, you know, we can, we can talk

00:15:17.160 about those things, but, um, I, as a father, I really want my voice to be the loudest. Yeah.

00:15:24.400 You know, I, I didn't have like a permanent father figure when I was growing up, when I was your age

00:15:29.000 and you know this, cause we've talked about this. And so most of what I learned about these subjects

00:15:33.480 from alcohol to drugs, to pornography, to girls, to all this kind of stuff. I mean, I did learn from

00:15:40.980 my buddies and that stuff was all flawed, you know? So I really want me as a father, my voice to be the

00:15:48.500 loudest for you so that when you do hear things out in culture and you will, whether it's through music

00:15:53.040 or a movie or a buddy that you measure that against accurate, righteous information, which is what I

00:16:01.660 tried to give you and provide you with. Yeah. That's it. Just. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Jocko. Good.

00:16:08.840 That's all I have to say. No. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. So you want to have these

00:16:13.900 conversations, anything else that you want to see come from this eight to 16 years old for,

00:16:17.660 for boys. What else? Anything else? Um, we're planning to have maybe some events in the future.

00:16:24.100 Yep. Uh, our store get in our store running and that's really all I have right now.

00:16:29.880 Yeah. That's what I picture it being so far. Yeah. I think it's going to be fun. We're going to

00:16:34.280 have a good time doing it. We're going to learn a lot. Um, that the show is probably

00:16:38.720 going to be cleaner as we move on. Like we don't have the intro, the fancy intro music,

00:16:43.540 but we'll have that stuff. Yeah. But that'll be yours. That won't be mine. I'll give you some

00:16:47.280 input, but that's on you. Okay, cool. Well, we made a list of things that we wanted to talk about.

00:16:52.800 Number one that we wanted to address today was your transformation over the past, what year,

00:16:56.920 year and a half now. Yeah. How long has it been? Probably a year. Yeah. About year, year and a half.

00:17:03.120 Just like you said. Yeah. So, so talk to me about the transformation. Cause I got a lot of guys and

00:17:08.240 I don't know if you know this or not, but I have a lot of men who reach out who have sons roughly

00:17:11.960 your age who want to get them off the video games and off the, off all the crackers and the ice cream

00:17:18.740 and the sugar and whatnot. Yeah. And so they see you and they asked me, how'd you do it? And I'm like,

00:17:23.120 uh, I don't really take credit for it. Cause quite honestly, it's been more you than me.

00:17:28.260 Yeah. Yeah. I just, something clicked in me one day. I'm like, I just don't feel good

00:17:34.020 like, like right now. So I was like, okay, I'm going to start going to the gym in the mornings with

00:17:40.260 my mom. So we'd go to the gym probably like four to five times a week every morning. And then, uh,

00:17:48.200 CrossFit opened up a kid's, a kid's, um, class. And I did that too. I think it's two times a week.

00:17:56.060 And so I went down, kept going down. And I think my lowest I hit was one 12 and something clicked.

00:18:04.600 I was like, Nope, that's all. That's too light now. So now I'm like one 35 ish right now. And

00:18:11.800 I've been, uh, powerlifting. I'm focusing on powerlifting and football now, not so much CrossFit,

00:18:19.040 but, um, you don't even do jujitsu with me anymore, bro. Cause coach doesn't want me doing

00:18:24.380 other high energy. Coach Moore, if you're listening to this, you're on my list, bro.

00:18:30.360 To be choked out. I don't know if I'd be able to coach. Uh, I look, maybe I could technically,

00:18:37.740 but I'm not sure I could even get my arms around his thick neck to be able to chill. I'm not sure

00:18:42.760 even has a neck. Does coach Moore have a neck? Nope. Just super big shoulders. I can tell you that

00:18:47.560 much. So you said something interesting. You said something clicked about a year and a half ago for

00:18:53.840 you. You didn't feel good is the term you used. What do you mean by that? I just didn't feel good

00:18:59.640 in my body. I knew I was too heavy. I weighed like one 54 ish. I, I felt too heavy and I didn't feel

00:19:06.840 good. Like socially, like being out in the public because I knew what my body looked like. And yeah,

00:19:13.780 I was just a chubby roly poly kid a year and a half ago. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Maybe it's not

00:19:19.600 funny. It's more interesting. I don't even know if that's the right word. Is that I think a lot of

00:19:23.700 guys out there and just generally in society, uh, most people and most parents, I would say would,

00:19:31.740 instead of helping you come to that realization would say, no, you're okay. And you're, you're good.

00:19:39.040 And you're special just the way you are. What do you think about that? Definitely. That's

00:19:43.600 not to throw mom under the bus, but like, I'd say I'm fat. I'm not good looking all that. And

00:19:50.640 she'd be like, no, you're okay. Like, like just what you said. But I knew that moms just say that

00:19:58.280 stuff. Moms are awesome, but moms just say that stuff to make you feel good about yourself. But I,

00:20:03.940 I was like, nope, I know what I need to do. I know what I want to look like. And that's,

00:20:09.980 that's what happened. And that's not like you said, throw moms under the bus at all, but you 1.00

00:20:14.880 know, that is their job. I think generally women major in nurturing. Yeah. What I mean by that is 1.00

00:20:20.400 that's what they're uniquely qualified and gifted to do is nurturing, uh, emotional support. Yeah.

00:20:27.100 Those types of things where I think fathers are more, you know, Hey dad, I'm not feeling good in who

00:20:33.400 I am. And I'm fat. Well, okay. What are you going to do about it? Yeah. That's what fathers do. It's,

00:20:37.780 it's so crazy how different fathers and mothers can be. But I think both can be good. Yeah. And I

00:20:44.680 also think both could be bad. Yeah. You know, like if you take the, the nurturing component of it to

00:20:50.200 the extreme, like you said, you knew there's no, there's no amount of lying that can take place that

00:20:57.520 would actually make you feel better about who you are. Yep. But the other side of it is, and I, and I

00:21:02.980 think this is something that tends to be more exclusive towards fathers is that we can push too

00:21:08.580 hard, right? We can be, we can go too hard on our kids and demoralize them rather than edify them,

00:21:16.000 lift them up and drive them to action. Yeah. What's the balance?

00:21:22.620 What's, what's the, how do you find like, as a father, you know, I I'm really curious from your

00:21:29.060 perspective is like how I could know where the words that I'm saying are serving you and helping

00:21:35.220 you versus where maybe they're keeping you back or hurting or hindering you. Yeah. I think that for

00:21:42.000 a father, like once your son or your daughter starts getting frustrated and you can tell that I just

00:21:48.820 step back a little bit, like just back off them a little bit. That's what I think it is. Just if you

00:21:56.860 see him getting frustrated or sad, just back off a little bit, you don't need to push anymore.

00:22:02.900 Yeah. But also it's not, that's, it's hard because being confronted with the reality,

00:22:12.600 even though it's not comfortable is always going to be frustrating and challenging.

00:22:19.260 Yeah. Right. So if I came to you and said, you said, let's say, let's say it this way. You came to me

00:22:23.700 and said, dad, I'm fat. And I said, yeah, you know, you are, what can you do about it? And that

00:22:28.420 made you uncomfortable. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? Or frustrated. Isn't that what I'm trying

00:22:32.520 to do? Push you into that discomfort a little bit. So you'll move to action. Yeah. That makes sense

00:22:36.860 that that way you put it, because if just like you said, if I come to you and you're like, yep,

00:22:42.000 you are a little heavy. Me personally, that stuff wants me to go and grab it so that that's my drive

00:22:51.560 when it makes me want something more. Do you think everybody's like that? Like,

00:22:56.780 are all your buddies like that? Or are they different? No, I think it's either that's your

00:23:02.680 drive or you get shy and nervous and don't want to hear that. So you just back away from it.

00:23:08.520 So I know you can only speak for yourself though. And so you're driven. If somebody says,

00:23:13.440 Hey, no, here's the truth. You got to fix it. You know, you're driven enough to fix it. But what

00:23:17.600 about, what about a young man who maybe that messes with his confidence or, you know, he, he,

00:23:24.560 he flees a little bit, right? Do you understand the fight or flight concept? Have you ever heard of

00:23:29.260 that? Yeah. So you're a fighter, right? So if you're confronted with something, you're going to fight it.

00:23:34.260 Yeah. Right. You're going to put your foot down. Nope. I'm going to deal with this. I'm going to go,

00:23:37.460 but there's other people who naturally would, would flee in that situation. So how do you help

00:23:42.860 a young man who is more of that than the fighter mentality? I just say help, uh, help them build

00:23:50.480 their confidence more, spend more time with them, get them out doing real stuff like the outdoors,

00:23:56.800 all that stuff, instead of, uh, sitting around eating chips, playing video games or watching TV.

00:24:02.960 Eating chips is delicious though. Yeah, it is. But what's your favorite go-to?

00:24:08.360 We'll say it. What'd you say? Back away from those. Back away from those. Yeah. What's your

00:24:12.480 favorite, like go-to cheat snack? I mean, you used to be dialed, but let's be honest. There's a few

00:24:19.400 little cheaters. Yeah. I noticed. Yeah. What's, what are your cheaters? Anything,

00:24:23.860 I'll eat anything that sweet. Whatever's in front of you. Yeah. Fruit loaf cookies or whatever mom

00:24:28.540 made. I know. I was staring at those. I'm like, nah, I need- Those don't look very good by the way,

00:24:31.240 bro. No. I didn't try one. Trust me. They're delicious. What are they even? It's like fruit

00:24:36.160 cake, but they're, you just need to try it. They're delicious. If I try it, if I have one of the fruit

00:24:42.060 loaf cookies, I will have all of the fruit loaf cookies. But you at least need to try it just so you

00:24:46.900 know. Or maybe I shouldn't try it. So I don't know what I'm missing. Different school of thought.

00:24:53.420 Yeah. I think I'll try one. You should. For me, it's chips and salsa. Yeah. But for me,

00:25:01.260 if there's anything sweet in front of me, like, do you think it's okay? Like at this point that you

00:25:06.300 cheat a little? Yeah, definitely. Because I know that I can burn that off now. Like when I was losing

00:25:11.640 weight, I'm like, well, if I have this donut, I'm going to turn fat again. But now I understand.

00:25:16.900 And that, you know, I might get some sugar in me and maybe go up a little bit and wait,

00:25:23.040 but not that much. I'll burn that off in a day or two. Yeah. You'll burn that off by like looking

00:25:27.220 at the treadmill. Yeah. That changes, bro. When you get older, look, I'm 40 years old.

00:25:32.460 I'm not going to complain. I like being 40 because I'm pretty proud of where we are and whatnot.

00:25:37.060 And I like being a father and all the good that's happening in our life. But I'm not going to lie.

00:25:41.780 It takes a little longer to work off that donut than it does when you're 13 years old.

00:25:47.040 Yeah. So eat, eat, eat sweets when you're younger.

00:25:52.640 That's exactly. Enjoy it while you can't sucka. Yeah.

00:25:56.020 Because one day it's going to be a lot more difficult than it is now. Yeah.

00:25:59.400 So, all right. So all of this culminated, your transformation culminated over the past,

00:26:04.200 I would say, uh, what's it been about a month, month and a half where you actually had your

00:26:08.780 first power lift meet. Yeah. So tell me about that. Uh, so my coach, coach more awesome guy.

00:26:16.500 I love working with them. Uh, there was us three. It was me and some of my football buddies and friends

00:26:24.680 and, uh, the older one, he's done meets before. And me, who is this? It's the Cousinos, Dane and Reed.

00:26:33.060 And me and Reed were just, just starting and coach is like, yeah, this meets coming up. Uh,

00:26:40.180 Dane's going to do it. It will be a second meet. And, uh, I was like, oh yeah, I want to do that.

00:26:46.880 So I got signed up and then coach came to Reed with the opportunity. He's like, Reed, you should

00:26:52.560 come compete at this first lift. So probably when we signed up, it was like a month or two out

00:27:01.380 probably. So just trained, I think football ended a little bit before it, so we could rest. And it was

00:27:09.660 funny because it was three days down to one day when we got into like this three month period that was

00:27:16.520 only training one day a week. Oh really? I don't even remember that. It was only one day a week,

00:27:21.320 which is crazy because we got stronger just training one day a week. So after that went to

00:27:28.840 my first meet and it was just an awesome experience. I love the people there. I love the

00:27:34.480 environment. It was really fun. And did you hit, uh, did you get three new PRs? Yeah. At the lift,

00:27:40.560 it's at the meet itself. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I did. One 70 on my squat.

00:27:47.520 Um, 93 on my bench and two 15 on my deadlift. That's right. And I was, I was really happy with

00:27:55.080 that. But I think you could have hit two, at least two 25, so two plates on your deads.

00:28:00.320 Yeah. Me too. But what, tell me about that. Cause I know when you lifted, I was like, Oh bro,

00:28:05.420 he could have went more. And then I was talking to you after and coach gave you some options and you

00:28:09.920 went with one of the options and now you're kind of like, yeah, I should have done more. So talk about

00:28:14.000 that. So coach more, he'd be in the back and he'd have like a sheet and it'd have all our weight on

00:28:20.340 it. And he's, he arranged what weights we should do at the competition. And we could pick like one

00:28:26.900 out of two. So I picked the lighter one on my deadlift because it's crazy because in person,

00:28:34.200 like you lifting the weight, it's actually harder than, than it looks like on film. Like they,

00:28:41.340 they filmed it. And like, when I was pulling, I was like, Oh, this is so hard. And then I watched

00:28:46.960 the video and it went up so easy. I was like, are you kidding me? I could have went heavier on that.

00:28:51.680 So I was a little bummed about that, but I was happy. So if you could do it over again,

00:28:56.540 what would you do? Would you go with the higher weight? Yeah, I'd go higher. Okay. So I think

00:29:00.740 that was, I think that's what I would have assumed, but what if you missed that higher weight? How would

00:29:06.460 you have felt about that? I would have felt, Oh, so bad. That would have made me so mad.

00:29:12.960 But it's okay. So that's interesting. So it would have made you mad. Yeah. So what?

00:29:16.840 Um, we'll get it next time. I mean, is that what you would do? Or do you think it would like be

00:29:22.800 demoralizing or? No, for me, since I'm a fighter, I'd be like, okay, I'm going to wear a Carter so I

00:29:29.500 can get this deadlift. So do you have goals? Cause you have another event coming up. What in,

00:29:33.980 is it March? Yeah. March. So do you have certain goals that you guys want to hit or how does that

00:29:39.460 work? So coach is looking at everything. He's probably setting up, uh, weights we want.

00:29:46.140 I don't want to hit at the meet, but I would think I want 185, 180 on my squat.

00:29:54.140 So go up about what? 10 pounds, 10, 15 pounds. Yeah. And then on, um, bench bench is not my

00:30:00.660 strongest. I'd like to get to a hundred seven pounds more. It might be tough, but that's what

00:30:05.620 I want to hit. And then on deadlift, I think 225, 235 would be good. Oh, at least I think you can

00:30:12.580 do 235. You think? Dope, bro. You could have done 235 this last one. Yeah. Oh no. I guess

00:30:18.920 we'll see in March though. I know. Okay. We'll see. We got to figure out these like kilogram

00:30:24.360 conversion ratios and stuff. I'm like, I don't know what 400 kilograms is compared to how many pounds

00:30:31.560 it is. I have no idea. So weird. Fortunately, they put it us, put, put the weight that pounds

00:30:36.680 up for us. Uh, layman at the meat as well. The American weight, the American weight, the only

00:30:41.980 weight that matters. Yeah. Why do they do it in kilograms? Do you know? No, I just cause maybe

00:30:47.840 it's more universal. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. It is weird. You should do it

00:30:52.640 the American way. Yeah. What do you think? America. America. Uh, all right. So look, we wrote a couple

00:31:00.200 of things down here. We've got through a lot. Um, there is one conversation I really wanted to have

00:31:04.720 with you. And we talked about this before, but we said that we were going to throw a disclaimer up,

00:31:08.240 right? Yeah. Do you want to throw the disclaimer up? If you have little ones, turn it off right now.

00:31:14.860 That's all that needs to be said. We're going to talk about what? Santa. We're going to talk about

00:31:20.860 Christmas and Santa Claus. Yeah. So again, throw the disclaimer out there, make a little more vocal,

00:31:26.720 be a little bit more firm about it. Go ahead. If you have a little one, turn it off now. That's right.

00:31:34.280 Now look, if you, if you're listening to this podcast and you'd like what we have to say,

00:31:39.320 and you're interested in having the same conversation with your boy on this particular

00:31:43.640 subject, we're going to cover right now. Cause we are really going to try to be clean.

00:31:47.340 Yeah. I know mom's the swear in the family. Occasionally I still swear. I'm not, we're going

00:31:52.760 to not swear on this podcast. We're going to keep things on the up and up. We're going to keep

00:31:57.080 things clean, but event, but occasionally we're going to talk about some sensitive subjects.

00:32:00.960 Yeah. This is one of those sensitive subjects. So throw the disclaimer out there one more time.

00:32:08.080 If you have a little one, turn it off now. All right. I think you just like hearing me talk like

00:32:14.460 that. Well, I do like that, but also I want to give the guys plenty of time to acknowledge that

00:32:20.260 if they have a little one to turn it off now, you can always come back. If you agree with what we have

00:32:26.340 to say, and you want to have this conversation, you always come back and listen to it with your

00:32:29.840 little one. Yeah. But if you have a little one, turn it off now. That's right. Okay. I think we've

00:32:35.280 covered it. Yeah. Okay. So, so let's talk about this. So we've got Christmas coming up today as the

00:32:41.440 recording of this, it's December 21st. This will be released the 31st. So Christmas was last week.

00:32:47.720 I want to talk, I'll talk about Santa Claus. Me too. Because you still believe in Santa Claus.

00:32:55.640 I was like, okay, I don't think so, but okay. So you know that Santa Claus is Santa mom and dad

00:33:04.480 at this point. Okay. So I've been thinking about this, you know, we've got four other kids,

00:33:10.040 or excuse me, three other kids, four other kids. I don't know where the fifth one is,

00:33:13.700 but we've got three other kids, right? We're at 50% right now. Two of you know that Santa Claus is

00:33:20.040 mom and dad. Yeah. Two believe that Santa Claus is actually Santa Claus. So I want to hear from

00:33:27.220 you again, this is without prompting because you didn't know we're going to talk about this.

00:33:31.160 I want to hear from you. What do you think? Should parents talk about Santa Claus? Like he's a real

00:33:37.920 person. And I mean, essentially it is lying, right? Yeah. Okay. So should parents do this or should

00:33:45.380 they be truthful about it and not bring up Santa Claus, not have a Santa Claus type tradition?

00:33:52.640 What's your thought? I feel like it's good to believe in Santa Claus because it gives the kids

00:33:58.180 something to look forward every year and something to believe in. That's my opinion. I think that's

00:34:03.360 important. But I also see the side of not telling, uh, telling kids about Santa because if you're more

00:34:11.840 churchy, I don't know the word, but if you're like religious, spiritual, Christian, yeah, I would,

00:34:19.240 it's all about your family, but it seems like more religious people do not believe in Santa. I don't

00:34:26.160 know why. Well, because Christmas is about Christ's birth. So they don't want to have him interfering

00:34:34.820 with their religious beliefs. I agree. Okay. So what's the answer? If let me ask you this way. If when

00:34:46.940 you're a father, which by the way is really weird. The other day you said something so casually, I don't

00:34:52.020 even know if you acknowledged it where, I don't know, we were doing orders or something. And you

00:34:56.820 said, when I have a daughter, I don't even remember what we were talking about. I was like, what?

00:35:01.800 The fact that you're even thinking about having a daughter is so freaking crazy to me. Um, so I'll 0.98

00:35:08.420 reframe it this way. When you have children of your own, are you a Santa guy or a truth guy that Santa's

00:35:18.900 not? I will be doing Santa. You will be doing Santa. I don't, I don't have a problem with Santa,

00:35:25.520 but I see the other side of the equation too, because it is lying, right? Yeah. Is lying okay?

00:35:32.880 No, but in some cases it can be. So it's not no. Yeah. It's sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it can. It

00:35:40.480 just depends. Like what other situations is lying? Okay. Maybe if you didn't want your kid to find out

00:35:46.800 like if someone died, like they'd figure out eventually, but maybe if you didn't want them,

00:35:51.540 maybe they were having a bad day already and their grandma just died. Would you want to say

00:35:55.660 your grandma just died or would you want to say, uh, that's interesting. No, that's you're not right

00:36:02.180 or wrong. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'm having these conversations is not to say, well, that's wrong.

00:36:05.960 You should do it. It's like really figure it out. Yeah. So that the guys can then go in and

00:36:11.220 have conversations with their children about the, some of the same conversations that we're having.

00:36:16.280 Yeah. So you're a Santa guy. Yeah. Yeah. I heard an interesting take, um, just the other day. In

00:36:22.720 fact, it might've even been this morning. Uh, somebody had posted something on Instagram and

00:36:27.040 said, you know, you should, you, you shouldn't lie about Santa Claus. Like there should be no Santa

00:36:32.020 Claus, especially if you're a Christian. Uh, because if your children come to find out that we lied to you 1.00

00:36:40.640 about Santa Claus and told you we had, there's this like fake person who wanted to do good and

00:36:45.040 serve other people. And then we lied and you found out it wasn't real. Then would you have those same

00:36:50.200 feelings about Christ? Yeah. That, that makes sense. You know? So I don't know what the answer is. I

00:36:55.980 really, yeah, it's, but I don't, I also don't think that I've never really considered this deeply,

00:37:01.800 but I, I don't know that not having Santa would take anything away from Christmas. Do you?

00:37:12.820 No, I don't think. Cause I mean, if you had the, well, like what it really was, which is about

00:37:16.660 Christ, that's what you said. And you're right. A hundred percent right on that. Um, you can still

00:37:21.140 do presents and say, well, we do presents because we care about each other and we want to serve each

00:37:24.780 other and we love each other. Yeah. You know? So I don't know that just like take away. Yeah.

00:37:29.360 I don't know. I don't think it'd take away at all. If you figured out all your kids figured out

00:37:35.800 about Santa, that he isn't real. I don't think they wouldn't enjoy the holiday anymore. I think

00:37:44.360 they'd love it just the same. Well, did it, did his Christmas ruin because you don't know Santa Claus?

00:37:53.440 No. It's still good. No, because I don't believe in Santa Claus. I know he's not real, but I still

00:37:59.120 love Christmas. It's my favorite time of the year. And you also help us with the kids and

00:38:05.020 setting things up. Yeah. Which is awesome. So you help in the deceit. Which is fun. You help in the

00:38:08.680 lies. Yeah. You're complicit in the lies. Yeah. That's how we met you. All right. Well guys,

00:38:16.120 I mean, you guys can ponder on it, right? Yeah. They have to make, look, at the end of the day,

00:38:20.940 everybody has to make their own decisions. Yeah. We're just talking about some of it. Yeah. All right.

00:38:25.180 You can turn it back on. Would you say, turn it back on the podcast for your kids? Oh, now you can

00:38:31.780 have little ones listening. All right. Perfect. Good. Well, let's, uh, let's pivot here real quick.

00:38:37.780 And then I think we'll wrap things up for today. So how are you feeling about your first podcast so

00:38:41.860 far? It was fun. I mean, you've done another pod. You've done some podcasting with me.

00:38:45.620 I think you've done two episodes with me on my podcast. Maybe even three, I think.

00:38:49.600 Oh, big time now. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Let's move into,

00:38:59.200 so that's December 31st after the release of this podcast. So we're coming into a new year.

00:39:03.580 So what's on people's minds? New year's goals. That's right. Do you have any new year's goals

00:39:09.880 that you've thought about that you want to complete in 2022? Um, I want to qualify for nationals probably

00:39:16.860 next year and, um, nationals with powerlifting. Yeah. Not NFR because you've got your, do you know

00:39:23.340 what NFR is? Do you know what NFR is? I'm trying to think. It sounds so familiar. It's rodeo. Okay.

00:39:29.800 Yeah. That's what I thought it was. You've got your cowboy hat on. So I'm like, maybe he wants to do

00:39:33.160 rodeo. No national teens for powerlifting. That's what I want to call. I think I'm like 60 pounds away from

00:39:40.140 qualifying. 60 pounds. All together. Yeah. All together. And when you competed last year,

00:39:47.280 you were 13, but there's not a, you're still 13. I know, but I'm just saying when you competed,

00:39:52.540 you were 13 and there isn't a 13 age bracket. No, I, I competed with kids who are a year older than me.

00:40:00.220 If no, even two years, isn't it 14 and 15 or is it just 14? I don't know. I'm trying to think,

00:40:06.220 but I know that the age bracket, like 11 to 13 or something like that was like youth lifting.

00:40:14.260 So I went up for teen lifting. So you didn't do youth lifting. You know, teen lifting. Yeah.

00:40:19.240 Which I wasn't even in the age for teen lifting. Yeah. Cause it's 14 or might even be 15. I don't

00:40:24.780 know for sure. Yeah. And my next March lift before my birthday and I'll still be 13. That's right.

00:40:31.680 So I'll be competing with 14 year olds again. Awesome. And so you're 60 pounds away. Okay.

00:40:36.380 So that's a good goal. So, uh, qualify for nationals. And what does that mean? You go like,

00:40:42.840 is there another meet that you would go to somewhere else? I think it's out of country. Like when Dane

00:40:47.880 qualifies this year, if he does, he's going to Chicago for nationals. Chicago's not out of the

00:40:53.160 country. Oh, well, where do you think Chicago is bro? Illinois. Yeah. I know that, but he's

00:41:04.360 going to go to Chicago. Got it. Yeah. So there's, there's nationals. Do you know what national

00:41:10.060 is? It's okay. If you don't, it's, it's nationals. Like, like what, what is national? What geographic

00:41:16.900 area does national include? The whole world? No, no. The whole, the whole country. Yeah.

00:41:24.300 There we go. Okay. Okay. Now. And then there's international, which is everywhere. Like globally.

00:41:30.220 Yeah. Right. I'm not trying to pick on you. I just need to make sure you understand this. Yeah. I got

00:41:34.100 it. So where is Chicago? Is it, is it in the U S or is it outside of the U S it's in the U S. Okay.

00:41:38.720 Good. I just want to make sure we understand that. No, that's still a worthy goal though. It's a great

00:41:44.220 goal. So qualify for nationals. Cool. That's good. What else? I want to get my first archery

00:41:51.500 buck this year. You do? Yeah. Why not just your first archery deer in general? I don't know

00:41:59.140 because I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just curious. Yeah. Bucks are way cooler than killing 1.00

00:42:02.860 a doe. A doe is nice, but a rack is also nice too. I'm it's about the meat, but is killing

00:42:09.420 a buck harder than killing a doe? No. Yes. Bucks for, I think bucks are smarter than does 0.98

00:42:16.080 personally. I mean, yeah, you're going to have fewer opportunities than a doe. I think. 1.00

00:42:19.840 Yeah. I also think there's an emotional challenge that comes with shooting a buck, at least for

00:42:24.180 me, because when I see a rack, I'm like, boo, and I freak out. I see a doe. I'm like, big

00:42:28.860 deal. Yeah. My dad likes to shoot deer and deers in the balls. So deer in the balls.

00:42:34.480 That's how you, that's how you do it, man. Yeah. We'll have to tell that story. Yeah. 0.99

00:42:39.360 That'd be fun. Oh, we will tell that story. Yeah, for sure. Um, okay. So take your first

00:42:46.160 archery. I'm writing these down. Cause I want to know, and I'm going to hold you to them. Archery,

00:42:50.200 uh, buck, anything else? That's all I have right now in my head. What about, um, and you don't have

00:42:57.420 to answer this now, but here's something to consider is goals for this particular podcast and movement

00:43:02.480 that we're creating now. Yeah. I didn't even think of that might be something we're thinking

00:43:11.440 about. Yeah. I don't have anything right now. We can talk about, about it. And then maybe,

00:43:15.460 uh, on the next podcast next week, you'll have a week to think about it and then we can talk

00:43:20.520 about what those goals are. Yeah. And in the next week, we're going to be working on emails

00:43:24.700 and funnels and different things that I'm going to be teaching you about. So we've got a lot

00:43:29.940 to learn. Yes. Cool. Any, uh, parting words of wisdom or questions or advice or anything

00:43:36.020 like that before we close things out today? Follow through. That's, that's my phrase, I

00:43:43.000 guess. Follow through with anything you do. So follow through. And this is Brecken again.

00:43:49.960 This is a first man in the making podcast. And if you want to figure out what we're doing,

00:43:54.260 go to man in the making.com. Well done, my son. You did good. 42 minutes of pure entertaining

00:44:03.100 information. Yes. Really entertaining. All right, brother. Well, we'll be back, uh,

00:44:10.220 next week. Okay. Thank you, Breck. Looking forward to doing this with you. Thanks for

00:44:14.600 helping me. Love you, buddy. Love you too. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

00:44:19.560 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

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