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00:00:00.000 beauty, right? What do paintings portray? Go to a movie, a great movie, and tell me that doesn't

00:00:07.500 impact culture. Listen to music and tell me that doesn't impact culture, you know, or a great

00:00:15.520 speech or a performance or a musical composition or a great painting. Art matters. It is relevant.

00:00:24.860 And it's important that we address that side of things too, because it's how we communicate.

00:00:30.560 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:35.580 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time. You are not

00:00:41.460 easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who you are.

00:00:48.620 This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call

00:00:53.940 yourself a man.

00:00:58.320 Kip, what's up, man? Good to see you. Both of us are, uh, it seems to be a reoccurring trend. I

00:01:02.820 wonder if we should just switch the days that we record because both of us like, I'm busy today.

00:01:06.760 And I can tell you, you got on, you didn't sound grumpy, but I could tell it's like, oh, he's,

00:01:12.640 he's in the, he's in the, I'm in the zone. Yeah. I am too. I was in it from last week.

00:01:18.280 Tuesday's probably a bad day to do this. Possibly. Maybe we should switch to Tuesday.

00:01:23.820 Although full disclosure on Friday, we, we, you know, we have our all hands calls on

00:01:28.320 in the iron council on Fridays and the Friday call. I, I was, I was in a bad mood. I was just

00:01:34.420 pissy and it was funny. Yeah. I hopped on the call and guys were like, Hey, how's it going Kip? And I

00:01:39.980 said, good. Shut up. And then I paused and I went, no, actually, no, it's not good. Like 1.00

00:01:47.640 full disclosure, I'm having a rough day, right? I'm a little upset and a little pissy about some

00:01:52.920 things. My bad, right? I'll, I'll, I'll keep it in check, but I'm lying. If I'm saying everything's

00:01:59.540 fine. Now the, the irony is, is by the end of the call, guys were sending me private messages

00:02:04.120 saying, dude, that was probably one of the more powerful calls I've ever been on. So maybe you need

00:02:08.340 to be more pissed off on Fridays, you know, but I don't know. It's a little true. Wayne McPherson,

00:02:13.560 he, he says pissed off Ryan is a good Ryan. He liked, he likes when I'm a little fired up and he,

00:02:19.580 he often makes that statement. Honestly, I think when you're, when you're fired up a little bit,

00:02:24.460 as long as you can reign it in, it seems like you're more willing to tell the truth and say

00:02:28.180 some things that need to be said. I think the last time I was really that fired up was, um,

00:02:33.520 it was on one of our calls for new iron council members. And I was the same way. I'm like,

00:02:38.160 guys, look, I'm a little bugged today. We're going to get through it. And guys were making

00:02:42.980 excuses. I'm like, just stop, you know? And I, I called him out there on the spot because I just

00:02:47.880 wasn't in the mood to deal with crap. And everybody was like, that was actually a really good call. 0.94

00:02:53.080 And that's, we all understand we're all men. We all know we have bad days and in the right context,

00:02:59.360 I think it's better just to be upfront and honest about it. You're not getting it for validation.

00:03:04.820 You're not getting it. So people will, you know, make you feel better and give you a pats on the

00:03:08.340 back and add a boy and you're okay. In fact, on days like that, I don't even want that. Don't text

00:03:13.340 me. Don't message me. Don't talk to me. I don't need any of that. I'm just telling you, it's not

00:03:17.720 going to be the same as it normally is. Yeah. Yeah. If anything, those things kind of piss me off some

00:03:22.300 more. Right. Totally. Well, I know it's funny, you know, um, sometimes I might be upset about

00:03:29.120 something and you know, people might know or whatever it might be. And they call me and I'm

00:03:33.080 like, yeah, that's just making me more bothered. I've got things to do and you texting me and asking

00:03:39.500 me if things are okay. And do I want to talk about it? No, I don't. I want to work. Leave me alone.

00:03:44.800 Yeah. I'll let you know. I'll let you know.

00:03:46.780 Right. Exactly. I love it. They're just trying to be helpful, but you know, we're,

00:03:50.760 we've all been there. So anyways, well, do we have a headline for today?

00:03:54.720 Yeah, I do. I have one. Um, and it was, um, a study I heard about and, and the study was actually

00:04:01.480 called, if you guys want to reference this online, it's called party over policy.

00:04:06.780 And in this study, they had sampled questions and the questions were kind of categorized into

00:04:13.440 conservative viewpoints and more liberal viewpoints and not surprising people that were conservative

00:04:20.200 kind of chose the conservative viewpoints right over the liberal ones. Sure. Sure.

00:04:26.220 And then the second part of the study was they switched them and said, Hey, these conservative

00:04:32.080 viewpoints are actually promoted by liberal, uh, members of Congress and Senate and, you know,

00:04:39.480 and, and, and kind of put backing that, that did a switch. And what would you guess? Most of the

00:04:46.440 people changed their stance. Of course. Right. And their conservative viewpoints were now,

00:04:51.900 you know, not conservative, right? Because they believed that it aligned with the party and they

00:04:58.940 changed their opinion of the party. Now that's like, and I think we all know there's tribalization

00:05:03.840 and groupthink and, you know, a number of things that kind of go into that, but here's the crazy part.

00:05:08.720 Then they surveyed them around. Why did they switch and telling them that they, that they switched

00:05:16.520 up the questions on them. And 86% of the people denied the fact that they switched their questions

00:05:23.880 up based on really, they didn't even know they didn't even want to accept it. Oh no, no, no. I

00:05:31.960 didn't do that. That's how stern people are in their ways of thinking or their, their, or how much I

00:05:40.060 should say it this way, how much we tie our identities to political groups. We are so tied

00:05:49.080 our identities, these political groups that we are unwilling to even consider the fact

00:05:55.720 that we are being swayed to choose one thing or, or the other. That's how it, it, it blows my mind.

00:06:04.580 How the lack of self-awareness to even admit that that might actually even be occurring.

00:06:10.840 It's fascinating. It is fascinating. It, you know, even at a more silly level, if you don't think this

00:06:17.600 is true, just go talk to somebody about the super bowl coming up. Yeah. Like there are grown men

00:06:24.720 who wear other men's jerseys with other men's names on their back and they will get into fights

00:06:31.940 to defend their quote unquote, their team as if they really had anything to do with it. And as if

00:06:39.700 those athletes and those owners care anything about those lives. And look, I'll tell you,

00:06:46.320 if you enjoy a football game, a sports outing or whatever, by all means, enjoy it, have some fun.

00:06:52.280 I love sports. I love competition. I love the discipline and all the virtues that go behind

00:06:58.240 incredible athletes. But at the end of the day, it has no relevancy in my life whatsoever,

00:07:03.400 but it is amazing to see how tribal men will get over the green colored team or the red colored team. 0.97

00:07:10.580 It's absolutely ridiculous. It truly is. It's crazy. What do you got? 0.98

00:07:18.400 I don't really have a headline, but I think the big thing right now is the tariffs. You know,

00:07:22.340 everybody's kind of losing their mind and, and Trudeau, the child thinks he's going to go toe

00:07:28.260 to toe with not only president Trump, but the largest economy in the world. And think he thinks he has

00:07:35.100 a fighting chance. We, the fact of the matter is, and I don't say this with any arrogance or maybe

00:07:41.560 a little arrogance, slight arrogance. We don't need Canada as much as Canada needs us. And I'm

00:07:46.940 talking about the economies. Um, a lot of people seem to believe that the tariffs will is a tax on

00:07:55.640 American consumers. And I can see why they would think that prices naturally will go up. But I think

00:08:03.220 the couple of things that stood out to me, one woman this morning said, well, prices are already

00:08:07.280 high and now I can't get gas because it'll cost me a hundred dollars to fill up my tank. I'm like

00:08:11.900 a hundred dollars to fill up your tank. What kind of car are you driving? Cause it's been 30 years

00:08:16.520 since it was less than a hundred dollars for me to fill up my tank. So that was my first question.

00:08:21.240 I need to figure out what she's driving. Yeah. I guess I drive a truck. So that's, that's maybe why,

00:08:26.180 but she said that, you know, inflation is going to go so high and are, are we happy is,

00:08:31.000 is our MAGA is happy yet? I'm like, you know, this is the problem with American just politics

00:08:35.820 in general and, and the citizens of America and probably worldwide. We have such an inability

00:08:43.660 to focus on any sort of long-term results that would require any sort of short-term sacrifice today.

00:08:52.160 Yes. Prices are likely to go up. And what she had said, or he said, I can't remember

00:08:56.380 is that how is this going to benefit Americans? Well, in a couple of ways, number one, it's going

00:09:03.800 to bring back American manufacturing because if I can go to Canada or Mexico or China or India or

00:09:10.300 wherever else and make products cheaper, then of course, as an organization, you're going to do

00:09:15.280 that. But if it's the same price or same cost, rather, if I build here in America or build

00:09:22.780 overseas, of course, obviously you're going to start building here, which puts Americans back 0.98

00:09:28.860 to work, which boost our economy. It's all relative. So there's, that's part of it. The

00:09:34.320 other part of it, and this is what most people overlook with tariffs. President Trump uses tariffs

00:09:40.380 as a bargaining tool. He's not trying to screw Americans. And this is what so many people get

00:09:46.420 wrong. It's just a leveraging tool. And guess what? This morning, Mexico's president who said

00:09:54.620 that she was going to stand up and fight back down already. And she agreed based on some things

00:10:03.400 that, uh, president Trump and her have said to deploy 10,000 Mexican troops to the border in order

00:10:10.480 to stop and halt or slow down some of the illegal crossings related to drug trafficking. Uh, and in

00:10:17.940 exchange, president Trump agreed to pause all tariffs for the next 30 days. It's a bargaining tool.

00:10:25.740 People don't understand. And if here's the, here's the thing that you need to know about this

00:10:30.880 Kip, let's say you and I got into altercation at a sports event, since we were talking about that 0.98

00:10:38.100 earlier and we were both probably drunk and belligerent and acting stupid towards each other. 0.97

00:10:45.100 And you said something to me and I said something to you, but you didn't perceive me as a threat. 0.96

00:10:53.640 You would likely, well, you'd be more willing or more likely to escalate the situation if you did

00:11:01.680 not perceive me as a threat. Correct? Correct. Yeah. If on the other hand, you actually thought

00:11:07.800 that I could back up what I was saying, that would be a deterrent to you. If I saw you,

00:11:14.380 cause I know you have a little bit of cauliflower ear, that's a deterrent to me because I think,

00:11:19.560 well, this guy obviously spends time on the mats. And so I better be aware of who I'm getting into

00:11:25.380 it with. That's, that's a deterrent. You have to be able to threaten people or, or, or countries in

00:11:33.720 this case, leverage, but actually have the weight behind it. Because if you're, if it's just empty

00:11:40.600 rhetoric, nobody cares. And that's why everybody walked all over the United States and Joe Biden,

00:11:46.160 because sometimes he talked a big game by saying, listen, pal, and listen up, bub. And this kind of

00:11:51.500 stuff, like an old grandpa would. And at the end of the day, people could just walk right over him and

00:11:56.000 they knew they could. Trump has to show his hand. Occasionally, Canada will back down. I promise you

00:12:04.940 they will back down. Mexico has already backed down. Columbia two, uh, two weeks ago, back down.

00:12:13.680 These are just leveraging plays. Wake up, exercise a little discernment, exercise a little critical

00:12:21.360 thinking, even if it's not your party of choice, I get that. And think long-term. And if you won't do

00:12:28.800 it for yourself, consider it for your kids and consider it for your grandkids, because that's

00:12:34.100 what we're saddling with. If we don't take care of it now and sacrifice now. And I could get onto a

00:12:40.080 whole other, uh, soapbox about, uh, Medicare and social security, which is another conversation for

00:12:47.040 another day. But that is a very, very, a serious conversation that needs to start being had.

00:12:52.480 Do you even think that it will make that big of a difference from internal costs? Like I actually

00:12:57.520 don't think it will. I think it might for a short, for a short period of time, but I don't even think

00:13:02.300 it's a long haul here. I think that maybe costs will go up a little bit and, and it will be minimal,

00:13:08.420 but I think what we'll probably see is artificially inflated prices with the stock market and

00:13:14.720 companies anticipating increasing costs. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's, it's not, as a former financial

00:13:22.120 advisor, that, that is something a lot of people don't understand is the, the way that the market

00:13:28.320 works and yeah. And how sensitive is to all sorts of information. That's why when people, uh, say,

00:13:37.180 well, I have this stock pick and it's underpriced. It's not underpriced. You're, you're not smarter

00:13:44.240 than 300 million people or the 8 billion people on the planet. And you're certainly not smarter

00:13:49.860 than the people who are selecting, uh, prices and manipulating prices and the federal reserve and,

00:13:57.680 and all the bureaucracy and red tape that's going on behind this to, I think, manufacture certain

00:14:03.740 crises and, and inflation and things like, I mean, inflation, obviously it's proven that it's

00:14:08.540 manufactured, but, um, yeah, you're never getting a good deal. If you think you're getting a good deal

00:14:14.700 on a stock, that deal, quote unquote deal has already been priced into the value of the stock.

00:14:21.160 And most people don't know that. And that's why most people lose their, their shirt when they,

00:14:27.760 uh, decide to pick stocks and, and, uh, instead of just investing in long-term, low cost,

00:14:35.940 low turnover, mutual funds. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Good stuff, man. Well, iron council. We're

00:14:43.960 going to answer some questions from those guys to learn more about the iron council or exclusive

00:14:48.020 brotherhood. You can go to order of man.com slash iron council, Robbie Leffel. Can I follow up my

00:14:54.800 question from last week? He asks, and thanks for asking, uh, answering it. When you built your boat,

00:15:01.220 did that project ground you more in your masculinity? And should we try to find projects like that since 0.73

00:15:08.100 we are no longer full-time hunters and gatherers, assuming everything else is aligned?

00:15:14.360 Yeah. So if you aren't familiar last week, he said, should we pursue masculine hobbies over what

00:15:21.040 generally would be considered non-masculine? I'm, I'm paraphrasing. It was something along those lines.

00:15:25.400 Um, again, I, I think the answer is the same, you know, going back to building my, my boat,

00:15:31.500 for example, which is not complete. I want to put that out there. Cause I have a couple of friends

00:15:35.760 who bust my balls every time I bring up the canoe. So I'm just, just putting it out there right now. 0.97

00:15:41.440 Okay. It's not, but I'll leave it there for now. Um, I don't know that that was more masculine than

00:15:51.320 planting a garden necessarily. I mean, it was more, you could, you could make the case. And I think this

00:15:57.400 is the case. A lot of people would make is that it should be a hobby should be engaged in something

00:16:03.680 of utility. So for example, building, rebuilding an engine motor, for example, is better than painting

00:16:12.840 a picture because rebuilding the engine, there's more utility in rebuilding the engine than painting a

00:16:20.220 picture and putting it on your wall. I think even if they aren't acknowledging it, that's the case

00:16:24.980 people are making. And while I can certainly agree, you said in your last little caveat there,

00:16:31.760 if all of your other bases are covered or something like that, right? Yeah. Didn't he say something like

00:16:37.780 that? Yep. Totally. Yep. He did say that. Yeah. So if you don't have a car, then I would probably

00:16:44.460 get a car before I'd paint a picture, but if you already have the car, well then you're fine. You

00:16:51.380 paint your picture, take your pictures, create, build. I, I really don't see a difference between

00:17:01.420 the two. I think I don't, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the question of like,

00:17:07.980 why does it matter? If you find value in building or gardening or painting, if everything else is

00:17:15.620 covered, I don't really think it matters. Totally. Well, Ryan, maybe, maybe we take a

00:17:22.820 something out of Jack Donovan's playbook, right? And, and you could probably speak to it a little

00:17:27.900 bit better than I, than, than I have, or I can, but you know, his, his whole thought around

00:17:33.900 masculinity being in the arts and the drawback of men saying, oh, well, that's not a masculine

00:17:41.040 hobby or activity. So I'm not going to participate in those and the impact that has on society.

00:17:48.440 I mean, one could argue that, I mean, it's a huge, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I, I want you to

00:17:55.420 explain it because I, I think, I think Jack makes a really good point from that perspective.

00:18:00.160 Well, I'll give you an example, um, in, in politics, just, just men in general, you know,

00:18:07.620 I think the common mantra, uh, and Jack is somebody who understands as well. Another person

00:18:13.160 who understands as well as Tanner Guzzi with masculine style and what Tanner often mocks when

00:18:20.040 he hears most men speak about style, for example, is real men don't care about how they look. And he's

00:18:25.900 saying it sarcastically, but that's, that's the belief. A lot of men have real men don't care

00:18:31.040 about what they look like. Well, that is the furthest thing from the truth. You know, take

00:18:36.520 some of the manliest men. We talked about George Washington, uh, three or four weeks ago. He was

00:18:42.460 very, very, uh, wrapped up in his appearance and what it signified and what it meant and what

00:18:49.960 message it was conveying. When I got up this morning, I put clothes on that spoke to me and

00:18:57.080 conveyed a message to other people. I mean, look at my hat. It, it literally has a thing on an emblem

00:19:02.740 on it because I want people to see that same thing with my shirt, iron sharpens iron, the scriptural

00:19:08.620 reference with, with the, uh, why am I, why is it, I mean, drawing the, uh, anvil, you know? And so it's

00:19:15.800 like, this is, this is saying something, whatever you're wearing right now, Kip is saying something.

00:19:21.420 You wore that for a reason. It wasn't just you. It's to articulate how you feel. And I think you

00:19:26.160 ought to be mindful of that. And so the example that I, that I, uh, kind of got a chuckle, but also

00:19:33.380 was a little bit repulsed by was at Trump's inauguration or at least his inaugurational speech.

00:19:39.680 Somebody like John Fetterman came in wearing basketball shorts and a hoodie and gym shoes.

00:19:47.580 He looks like Adam Sandler, like a big Opie Adam Sandler at the, at the presidential inaugurational 0.77

00:19:55.520 address. Now tell me, do you think more of him or less of him? If you've never seen him, you know

00:20:03.920 nothing about him more or less. Of course, anybody who's being honest thinks less of that person.

00:20:09.660 because of the way that they are presenting themselves, the way that we look matters.

00:20:14.940 And it has the power to impact culture. Now, how does that relate to the arts beauty, right? What

00:20:22.280 do paintings portray? Go to, go to a movie, a great movie and tell me that doesn't impact culture.

00:20:29.840 Uh, listen to music and tell me that doesn't impact culture, you know, or a great speech or a

00:20:39.180 performance or a musical composition or a great painting. One of the greatest, most famous paintings

00:20:46.660 in the world. The Mona Lisa, you know, is, is Leonardo da Vinci is one of the most influential

00:20:53.020 pieces of art of all time. Art matters. It is relevant. And it's important that we address that

00:21:01.240 side of things too, because it's how we communicate. Even a beautiful story. You know, a man sits down with

00:21:07.240 his son side by side and tells a very well-crafted, clever story or anecdote about lessons he learned

00:21:16.320 as a boy. And now that translates to his son and hopefully his son or his daughter internalizes

00:21:21.620 that. And now is a better human being because dad learned how to tell a good story. That's art.

00:21:27.360 It's art is so relevant when it comes to culture. And that's what we're doing here.

00:21:30.740 This is, this is artistic in a lot of ways. We're expressing our ideas and thoughts and

00:21:35.960 we're deliberate about the way that we're doing it from our audio and video to the music that we use

00:21:42.760 to the lighting that is, is implemented. It's all crucial. Yeah. Thanks. Peter Benton court have

00:21:52.260 either of you served on a board? If so, what type was it? And did you gain from the time spent on the

00:21:57.440 board? I'm considering volunteering or at least looking into, uh, that so I could expand my

00:22:02.800 professional network, develop strategic decision-making skills and gain exposure to high

00:22:07.740 level leadership. Any suggestions or experience would be great. Uh, I don't have any experience

00:22:13.700 on boards. I'd like to give my thoughts about it, but I want to hear, do you have any experience on,

00:22:18.300 on sitting on boards? No, actually. And I, in fact, I love this question because I've been

00:22:23.840 approached actually over the last six months about possibly being on a board. Um, it's intriguing.

00:22:32.480 My, my key thing was like, can I, is it a proper investment of my time? Right. And am I going to

00:22:38.020 get enough out of it that based upon the time I'd put into it? Um, so I'd love to hear your thoughts

00:22:43.980 about it for sure. I can still hear you. Can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, I can hear you now. You froze

00:22:59.860 for a second. Okay. Yeah. Uh, the last thing I heard you say is, is it a proper use of my time?

00:23:05.320 I think is what I heard you say. Yeah. And, and really love to hear your thoughts about it. I have

00:23:10.840 some opinions, but no, I have not actually served on a board. I've worked with a board,

00:23:14.680 um, for, for actually probably about a year and a half, uh, a boat board of advisors, but that's it.

00:23:26.920 And we're having connection issues.

00:23:31.040 Yeah. It sounds like it. That's okay. We can work through it. Can you hear me? Okay. Okay.

00:23:36.040 Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and share your thoughts about a board?

00:23:40.840 There we go. Um, well, I, I've never served on a board either. So, uh, that, that I can remember

00:23:49.420 anyways. And for me, I just, I have a general level of disdain towards that type of structure. And I'm

00:23:56.980 not saying it isn't needed. It certainly is, but I, I don't know if it's my, my natural inclination to

00:24:05.940 buck authority, but anytime a board gets together, it just seems like it's a bunch of hall monitors

00:24:10.820 from when you were a kid who are making bad decisions on behalf of everybody else. I just,

00:24:18.060 I just have this like, just disdain. I've thought about getting into politics and school board and

00:24:23.600 things like this. And I'm like, you know, do I want to deal with other people that I don't like

00:24:28.900 the kind of people that want to be in power, the kind of people I don't want to spend any amount of

00:24:33.300 time with. So I realized the importance of having a board. And you know, if you've got,

00:24:39.820 if you're representing an organization of thousands and thousands of individuals, then there has to be

00:24:44.940 a handful of people making some of those decisions. Sure. For me, my personality is I'd rather be boots

00:24:51.160 on ground doing the work. I feel like I can make a bigger difference doing work than I can making

00:24:57.300 decisions. I think most of the time, uh, these boards are so far connected from reality. A lot

00:25:04.360 of the times people who serve on these types of boards have no experience whatsoever in the field

00:25:10.120 in which they're making decisions. And I would rather just work. I'd rather make a difference by

00:25:17.980 serving people, by being engaged in something that's meaningful. And Peter, look, I know that's

00:25:23.720 really negative towards what you want to do. I get it. And if you do, then hopefully you'll be

00:25:28.960 the kind of guy who isn't like that. Who's not looking for power. Who's not looking for authority

00:25:34.880 over other people, but wants to build influence and wants to serve and actually cares about people.

00:25:41.520 And you actually care about your mission and you're getting involved in things that you have

00:25:45.520 some credibility and know-how in, and you're not just winging it or, uh, doing it for the notoriety of

00:25:51.100 your accolades that say, I sit on this board of directors for this nonprofit or whatever it might

00:25:55.880 be. So those are my two cents. I love it now. And I, and you bring up some really good points. I mean,

00:26:04.160 you can even pull someone from industry and they might have strong opinions around something should

00:26:09.440 be done, but what was their success rooted in EBITDA scores and exit strategy. Did people hate working

00:26:18.000 for them? Oh, hold on. Maybe I shouldn't be listening to your opinion then. Right? Like,

00:26:23.340 right. So be careful. And, and what are you asking a board to do? To provide insights. And, and if

00:26:32.480 they're not close enough to it, just like where I'm saying their insights are rooted in what?

00:26:38.620 A bunch of assumptions. Are you joking? Right? Like that's, that's leadership principle. Number one,

00:26:45.320 don't assume anything. And then you inject a higher level that is based in a lot of questions,

00:26:51.500 all based upon assumption. And then they have your ear, right? Be very careful. And, and some of it is

00:26:59.640 based upon what you ask of a board. And, and I love how you, how you flip that. Ryan is like, Peter,

00:27:05.520 if you're going to be on a board, don't be that type of board member. Then be the one that, that focuses

00:27:11.860 on coaching the leaders of the organization on what they need to be doing to show up more powerfully

00:27:19.980 for their people. Right? Well, I think there's that ego. Right. Well, and I think there's also

00:27:27.120 this desire for a lot of these members to, they, they love the sound of their own voice and they

00:27:32.940 love to pontificate and they love to sound smart. And I'm going to steal a page from your playbook.

00:27:39.060 Look, you often say this, Kip, what, what problem are we trying to fix? And I think in a lot of

00:27:45.940 situations, when you get these bloated organizations, they be, and we've done this in the iron council

00:27:50.720 and you're like, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's no problem. What are we doing here? And I'm like,

00:27:55.120 yeah, that's, that's true. Or what is the problem? And we don't even know what the problem is.

00:27:59.220 We can't articulate stuff. We're just doing shit. Right. And again, to go back to my previous 0.99

00:28:06.560 financial advisory days, meddling doesn't work. Meddling never works. Pick a strategy,

00:28:15.440 do it for a long period of time, evaluate it with actual data and objective reality. And then if

00:28:25.040 something needs to be fixed, then go ahead. So Peter, again, another recommendation,

00:28:30.700 because you did ask for recommendations and I'm giving it to you from a very pessimistic perspective 0.84

00:28:35.040 is don't be the guy that just creates a bunch of bullshit for everybody else to do that actually 0.97

00:28:41.680 doesn't move the needle. You might actually be the guy who says, hold on board. Like we're talking 0.99

00:28:47.260 about all these things. We don't have the budget or we don't have the time or that's not really a

00:28:51.980 problem. Let's prioritize. We've got 10 things. Everybody here wants to do. And everybody on the

00:28:57.760 board each has their own initiative that thinks that is the most important. Why don't we spend a

00:29:02.100 little time voting today on what is the most important that we're going to focus on this

00:29:06.780 quarter? And we won't ignore everything else, but it's not as big of a priority as priority number

00:29:13.140 one, which is what we all agree on. Yeah. I think you could bring some rationality to the conversation.

00:29:18.840 If you took that up, that perspective. Totally. Let me add one, one more thing for him.

00:29:23.660 Um, if, and then I'll add one more thing, cause we want to keep talking about this just like

00:29:28.640 boards, like just like the board. Yeah. Um, if they're not seeking your counsel, you're doing

00:29:35.340 the board thing wrong. Like if, if they bring things to the table because the board is asking

00:29:42.460 for it now, you know, you're just another cog in the process, right? You're creating busy work

00:29:46.340 for people, right? But if they're seeking out your counsel, like, Oh, I, I, I would love to get your

00:29:53.100 thoughts and opinions around this Peter and whatever. Like they need to be seeking you.

00:29:56.860 Otherwise you're, you're enact, you're, you're not an effective board member. And I'd use that as a pulse.

00:30:04.320 That's a good point. You know, what's interesting Kip about this is we have a board for the iron

00:30:08.200 council and, and I hope, I hope that I actually turned to you guys for advice. One of the first

00:30:15.220 things we do every conversation we have is who has announcements in their specific lane,

00:30:21.020 because I, I can't manage it all. And there's people who are better at things than me and other

00:30:27.000 people and people who have weaknesses and people have strengths. And so, you know, it is funny.

00:30:31.860 We're talking about it this way, but we have a board. So we kind of do. Yeah. It's some,

00:30:36.200 it's not even kind of, you guys are a board of advisors for me. Yeah. So something to,

00:30:41.360 something to consider as well. Maybe I, maybe everybody who sits on the board is like,

00:30:45.220 what the hell's right? What's Ryan's deal? I thought he liked doing this.

00:30:52.380 All right. What's next? Joe Gunter. I have been on a battle team for a while now. I feel like I'm

00:30:58.860 drifting. Can you guys share some of your best and worst experiences and being on a battle team?

00:31:04.900 If you were to structure a battle team again, what would it, what would you do to improve?

00:31:11.360 Yeah. Well, the best thing about a battle team is that you all get really close and you start to

00:31:17.560 know your strengths and weaknesses. And then the worst thing about a battle team is kind of the

00:31:22.900 same thing. You get so close and you become such good friends that you can no longer hold each other

00:31:28.440 accountable at a high level. And that's the problem. That's what happens when you become too friendly.

00:31:34.640 You no longer have the ability to hold each other accountable. Um, another thing that happens is

00:31:41.620 Kip, I begin to see all of your deficiencies in addition to mine. And then I start thinking even

00:31:46.620 subconsciously, who are you to tell me that I'm not doing a good job? Yeah. Cause I know about

00:31:53.420 that's a problem. Yeah, exactly. So it's good in a lot of ways, but over time it can be a real

00:32:00.020 problem. And then there's complacency that slips in and there's boredom that slips in because it's

00:32:07.420 monotonous and it's always the same. So Joe, what I would encourage you to do immediately go to another

00:32:14.460 battle team immediately. That is the next step. Go sit on two, three, four other battle teams. Maybe

00:32:22.100 there's some battle team leaders or guys in the iron council that you've been inspired or motivated

00:32:26.080 by go sit on one of their teams. And by the way, this applies whether you're in the iron council

00:32:31.680 or not. Let's say you're part of part of another mastermind group, or you're part of a coaching

00:32:37.920 organization, mix it up every once in a while, give it long enough that you can actually produce

00:32:43.780 results. You know, I often think of people who go to the gym and they do something for a week and

00:32:47.980 they're like, it's not working. It's like, well, you spent 10 years on the couch. Give it

00:32:52.060 a second. Like it might take a little longer than 10 days to see the results that you're after.

00:32:58.280 So give it long enough that it can actually produce results for you, but don't give it so

00:33:02.880 long that it becomes stagnant and complacent and familiar because that's just not doing you any

00:33:08.620 favors. So what I would say about building a battle team, and we've actually discussed this

00:33:13.680 as a board is encouraging, if not making it a mandatory obligation for men to switch teams

00:33:22.680 every so often. I don't know what that number is and we're not doing that right now, but it's

00:33:28.200 something we've just discussed for exactly the reasons that we're talking about right now,

00:33:32.920 but you don't need to wait till. And if that happens, go find a new team today.

00:33:39.920 Yeah. And Joe, there might be, you know, maybe, maybe before the team switch, you know, make sure,

00:33:46.880 right? Like in my drift and because I've lowered my standards, I'm being complacent, right? Maybe the

00:33:54.860 team's still killing it and you're having what, when I think I remember years ago, I was on echo

00:34:00.860 and we're having a team call. And I remember getting off the call one night. I remember this

00:34:06.260 night because it was profound for me. And I remember thinking that was a superficial BS meeting.

00:34:18.020 No one was dressing big, important things. No one was authentic. Everyone's skirting around

00:34:24.160 hypothetical conversation about, you know, what could be a problem. No one was talking about

00:34:29.780 problems. And I'm like, Oh my God, we're just talking heads. I'll listen to each other, talk,

00:34:36.840 feel good about ourselves and hanging up a phone call. And I remember thinking like, that's not

00:34:41.420 what I want. And I remember, and then at the time I was reading a dichotomy of leadership by,

00:34:48.300 by Jocko and Leif. And, and you mentioned one of the dichotomies literally at the front of this

00:34:54.400 question in our, in, in our, in regards to our response. And I was like, lead from the front.

00:35:00.240 So the next call I joined the call. I'm like, guys, I need to clear something up. I'm playing

00:35:05.300 small. I'm not sharing what I should be sharing on this call. I'm not really struggling or I'm not

00:35:11.040 really sharing my struggles. I'm not seeking you guys's advice because I'm hopping on this call

00:35:16.180 thinking I should have my shit together. And I don't want to look bad in front of you guys. 0.85

00:35:20.160 And I, and because of that, I'm playing smaller than I should be. And I'm, I'm not going to do

00:35:26.380 it anymore. And my commitment is to be raw and real with you guys. And my ask is that you do it with

00:35:32.580 me. That was a major change in that team, but it required me to do something about it. So be careful,

00:35:41.380 Joe, that you're not walking away from the team because the team's not doing what you wish they

00:35:45.320 would do. Maybe, maybe you're the one that needs to say something. Maybe you're the one that needs

00:35:50.560 to lead from the front. I mean, I'm glad you said that is a classic Kip answer of, Hey, fix it where 1.00

00:35:57.220 you are. Right. I'm not even saying that as a joke. Like I'm saying that is classic Kip, fix it where you 1.00

00:36:03.460 are, do what you can, and then you can evaluate. So I'm glad you took it that way. And, and, you know,

00:36:09.200 you talked about making sure that you were changing, that you were looking for it. And you also alluded to

00:36:14.580 this, you, you owe it to the team to communicate with them. And I didn't say that because that

00:36:22.520 didn't really cross my mind until you started talking, but you owe it to your team leader who

00:36:26.900 is trying to serve you. And you owe it to your team members to say, Hey guys, like maybe I'm not

00:36:32.740 doing it all I can do, but also I've noticed we're starting as a team to become complacent.

00:36:38.400 We are not holding each other. We are not talking. We are not communicating. We are not doing our battle

00:36:43.480 plans. I'm going to commit to do my part, but this is a problem for me and I'm not bailing.

00:36:48.500 I don't want to bail. I want to be here and stay here with you guys. This needs to change. So what

00:36:54.080 can we do? So I like that you're talking about leading from the front, leading yourself, and then

00:36:58.380 also communicating with the team. It's the same thing with a relationship, a romantic relationship.

00:37:04.280 For example, you know, one partner decides they're not getting what they want. They start

00:37:08.160 distancing themselves mentally, emotionally, physically, even no screw that. You owe that person

00:37:16.560 because you committed. You owe that person, even though it's really uncomfortable in some cases,

00:37:22.020 a conversation. Hey, look, we're not doing good. We've been drifting or I'm not happy. And here's

00:37:28.340 why I'm not happy. And here's what I would need to be happy. And I know you're not happy. And what

00:37:32.360 can I do to make you happy? Those are conversations that you are obligated to have because you committed

00:37:39.400 to doing that. And then through years of working through that and talking and communicating and

00:37:45.820 trying then and only then should we consider, is this what we should be doing? But you cannot

00:37:51.700 consider that until you've been honest with the person and upfront and given them an opportunity

00:37:56.720 to participate in the change that you'd like to see. Cause I think you'd be surprised.

00:38:01.380 They probably would actually like to be engaged in that with you.

00:38:05.520 Totally. Totally. Elijah Elliott, what are your top three recommended skills to acquire and develop

00:38:14.080 as a man and why, and what are some tips on how to develop and master them? Top three recommended

00:38:21.220 skills to acquire and develop as a man. Um, Friday, I'm writing these down. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well,

00:38:31.100 there's a lot more. I'm trying to whittle it down. Okay. So I have three. Okay. Number one is I'd say

00:38:36.840 the, and these aren't in any order, but number one is the ability to communicate effectively a man's

00:38:43.060 ability to articulate a message, a thought, an idea, cast vision, enlist other people, motivate, inspire,

00:38:53.540 push, pull, drag, do whatever you need to do. Your ability to use your words is especially in this day

00:39:02.120 and age, more important. I think than it's ever been. We are communicators. We are networkers by

00:39:08.340 nature. We are in relationships, all kinds of different relationships. And there is not a single

00:39:14.000 opportunity or a single responsibility that a man has that doesn't require him to excel in his ability

00:39:21.500 to communicate clearly and effectively. And communication is different. Whether it's on

00:39:25.920 this podcast, Kip, if you and I are having a conversation in person, the way that you and I

00:39:30.600 communicate is going to go different than the way we're doing it right now. Right. Or if we were

00:39:36.200 presenting to a stage of a thousand or 10,000 people, I'm going to communicate what I'm sharing now

00:39:41.760 different. So your ability to communicate in all environments you find yourself in is crucial.

00:39:46.540 So that's number one. Um, again, not any order. Number two, I would say is self-defense.

00:39:53.540 You need to be strong. You need to be able to be aware of your surroundings. This is a lot of

00:39:59.880 skill sets kind of balled into one. Uh, you need to be physically capable. You need to know how to

00:40:05.180 handle a firearm. You need to carry a firearm and, or a knife, depending on your situation and where you

00:40:11.340 live. You need to be able to use your body as a weapon, throw a punch, take somebody down,

00:40:16.120 defend yourself, strangle somebody, break an arm, like whatever you need to do. You need to know

00:40:22.440 how to do that and work on becoming more proficient in self-defense. And I think even primary to that

00:40:28.200 is keeping you and your family out of those situations. Prime example. And all men, I think 1.00

00:40:34.340 know this, and I don't know if it's inherent, but I've never heard a man not know this.

00:40:38.140 My, uh, let's see, my son and I, yeah, it was my, my second son and I went to lunch. I take

00:40:45.360 one of my children to lunch each week. So, uh, I took my second son to lunch last week and we sat

00:40:51.600 down in the restaurant and he sat down in my seat and I said, Hey bud, switch me spots.

00:40:58.800 And he's like, okay. And he said, why did you want to switch spots? And I explained to him why it's

00:41:03.420 important that my back is against the wall so I can see everything. Now he may not fully grasp or

00:41:08.100 understand that, but that's a little thing that every man should do to keep himself and his family

00:41:13.100 and his people safe. You need to be able to see the entire field. Uh, and then the third component

00:41:18.480 is I just call it usefulness, know how to do shit. If the plumbing goes out, you know, and, and it, 0.97

00:41:27.020 the, like the toilet breaks, you should know how to fix the toilet, basic electrical, um, being just

00:41:33.960 handy, having tools, knowing how to change the oil or a change of tire on your truck, like being

00:41:41.420 useful. If like hanging a picture on the wall, straight and level, can you even do that? Like

00:41:48.600 all these little things around the house with your vehicle at the office, you want to be the guy that's

00:41:53.660 capable. I remember I was at a, um, a football game. I think it was last year and I'm just sitting

00:42:01.120 there on the bleacher. It was actually lacrosse. I was sitting there on the bleachers and I was

00:42:04.180 watching my oldest son play lacrosse and just enjoying the game. I really love the game. And

00:42:08.200 I'm just sitting there, just minding my business. And I hear a friend, his name's Dan and he's three

00:42:12.920 or four, uh, benches up and his son's playing as well. He's like, Hey Ryan. And I turn around and he's

00:42:18.840 like, Hey, do you have a knife? I'm like, yeah. So I grabbed it out of my pocket and gave it to him.

00:42:23.500 He's like, I knew you would. I asked you because I knew you would have a knife. And that was the

00:42:28.400 greatest compliment. He could have paid me in that moment because he knows that guy has the tools.

00:42:34.000 He knows how to use them. And if anybody's got a knife on his hand on hand, it's him. And that

00:42:38.840 should be you. So those are my three. I love it. I love it. Um, we're getting close on time. So I,

00:42:45.520 I kind of wanted to move on to a couple more if that's okay. Okay. Yep. Uh, Brandon Clement,

00:42:50.320 when you are an underdog and rise through smoke and ashes as a winner, how do you keep this momentum

00:42:58.980 and not let up and give into the idea that you have made it? Always be the underdog.

00:43:06.220 Just aim higher. That's it. Like, let's say, um, let's say you got a promotion at work and you're

00:43:13.760 on cloud nine and you're so excited. There was three or four other people in the office vying for the

00:43:17.940 position and you got it. Cool. What's next? Congratulations. Celebrate it. Honor it.

00:43:24.000 And you know, be, be excited about it. I'm not saying that be excited. You earned it. You deserve

00:43:28.180 it. If you didn't, you wouldn't have it. So you can do that. But then you can also think, well,

00:43:32.560 what's next? I want to be the best at this thing. If your goals end at your next goal,

00:43:39.200 I mean, what is it? That's boring. Life's miserable. There's been things that I've wanted

00:43:47.660 in life that I've looked back on now at 43 years old. And I'm like, man, I remember when

00:43:52.620 I wanted to make a hundred thousand dollars a year. That seems like so long ago. And then

00:44:00.060 I remember when I wanted to make, make seven figures. And that seems not all that long ago.

00:44:07.540 And then like, I remember all of these like little things that came up that I I've had

00:44:13.900 and I didn't really mean all that much to me. And I don't, I'm not saying that's a good thing

00:44:19.480 necessarily, but I just, I'm always thinking about what is the next big thing? What motivates

00:44:26.040 me next? And you know, this, cause even when it comes to events and you've said this, you're

00:44:30.620 like, well, I kind of liked that event. I'm like, we've already done that event. We've done

00:44:33.500 it a dozen times. What's next? Like, it's a great event. You're not wrong. It's a great event. And

00:44:40.480 it served a lot of people. I'm sure there's a lot of people who'd love to continue to do that. But

00:44:43.920 like, what, what are we doing next? I just need to be excited. And maybe that's some like ADD or

00:44:49.780 something like that kicking in. But that's what keeps me motivated is I'm thinking about what's

00:44:55.120 bigger, better, greater, grander, impacts more people, makes more money, serves more people.

00:45:00.300 Like that's, that's where I'm at. Yeah. Well, what I find interesting about this statistically,

00:45:06.660 Brandon, um, as you get older and I don't think it's age, actually, I think it's success. But as

00:45:14.440 people move up in their levels of, of success, they actually become less coachable

00:45:21.080 and they become less coachable because I've made it. I know my stuff. I have 20 years of experience

00:45:29.200 doing this. Right. And, and you start getting a little bit too much ego and, and thus you're not

00:45:38.520 rising. You're not an underdog. An underdog accepts that they're an underdog and goes, Hey, I'm,

00:45:45.600 I am the underdog, but I have the confidence to not be one anymore. But it is also in the space of

00:45:54.800 dealing in the reality that you are the underdog, which is humility. So I like to couple those two

00:46:01.920 things together. I think people could be humble and not progress. Oh, I don't know that. I don't

00:46:07.180 know that, but you got to be confident enough that you can know it. So it's confident, humility,

00:46:14.060 constantly balancing, knowing that it's, you're capable of progressing and learning and getting

00:46:20.800 better while also, also checking that you may not know how to get there yet and, and keeping your

00:46:27.560 ego in check. I, the word yet is always the most important just yet. Like I don't make, cause a lot

00:46:35.320 of guys will put a period at the end of the sentence. I don't know that I don't make six figures period.

00:46:40.420 Okay. Like, and finish the sentence yet. And so I'm going to do X, Y, and Z, or I don't, I don't bench

00:46:50.320 350 pounds. Well, I know you're not strong enough yet. Like fit, like, isn't that the natural finish

00:46:59.020 the sentence yet? So I'm going to do X, Y, and Z, but most people put a period halfway through the

00:47:06.540 sentence. And that's the problem. Can I give a little small example about asking questions?

00:47:12.920 Cause I think asking questions is huge. So yesterday it was a beautiful day in Southern

00:47:17.560 Utah. The kids were kind of restless in the morning. I'm like, let's get outside. So we went

00:47:21.520 outside, we played basketball, we rode bikes and the kids wanted to go down to the park and Brecken

00:47:26.620 brought my oldest, brought his lacrosse sticks. And he's like, let's play lacrosse. I'm like, cool.

00:47:31.060 And I was fairly athletic. I wasn't like the biggest or most capable, but fairly athletic when I

00:47:36.520 was younger. And so we're playing lacrosse and that's harder than you'd think. If you

00:47:41.060 haven't done it much, it's really hard. It's actually, it's actually a miracle. I can't catch

00:47:45.860 it. Yeah. It's a miracle that a human being can catch that ball. It's a whole other conversation.

00:47:52.680 Him and I were talking about the miracle of your eyeballs, picking up light detections of

00:47:59.640 differences in light and a ball traveling at 70 plus miles an hour. And you're not even catching

00:48:05.820 it with your hand like a baseball. You've got this six foot or nine foot pole or whatever

00:48:11.260 it is. I think it's three and six feet pole and you're grabbing it out of mid air. And

00:48:17.800 the net is just big enough that the ball fits just perfectly. It's a, it's a miracle of God's

00:48:25.700 creation that you can even catch the thing, but we can. So I'm trying to do this and I'm

00:48:30.880 not doing very well. He's like, can I show you something? And my knee jerk reaction,

00:48:35.140 and I didn't say this, but inside I'm like, what? Yeah. What? He's like, can I change something

00:48:43.740 about your stance? And inside I'm like, okay, sure. I'll sure. Little boy, you can show me.

00:48:50.760 And he comes over and he's like, here, try this. He's like, put your elbow at the end of

00:48:55.400 the pole. And then the length from your elbow to your palm of your hand, that's where your

00:48:59.000 hand should be. He's like, your hands are either too far apart or too narrow together.

00:49:03.140 I'm like, whatever. And so I did it at the distance he told me to. And the first throw

00:49:08.560 I was like, oh shit, that actually works. And we have to ask ourselves, even with our 0.99

00:49:17.140 kids, like how often are you willing to be the student? And we have a mutual friend.

00:49:24.500 I don't know if I, no, I'll say who it is. It's Matt Jenkins. Matt Jenkins is a perpetual student.

00:49:33.600 And this is not what I'm going to say next meant as a slight at all. It's not, it's a compliment.

00:49:39.980 He is willing to look so foolish in order to learn. Have you noticed that about him? 0.98

00:49:46.080 Absolutely. He has no, it's not an issue for him. It's not an issue, which is why he knows so much.

00:49:54.640 And you know, it really shines language. Yeah. Have you ever seen him speak a language that he

00:50:00.140 doesn't really know, but he just does it with a person that speaks that language. And he sounds so

00:50:06.560 dumb. And the other person's like looking at him weird and he doesn't care. He does it anyways. 1.00

00:50:14.700 And then actually what ends up happening is he wins over the person he's talking to. Have you

00:50:20.780 noticed that? Yeah. At first they're like, this is weird. But at the end they're excited and they're

00:50:25.660 teaching him and he's absorbing. He's like, well, what about this? How do you say this? Or like,

00:50:30.580 where do you put the inflection? I've seen him do it countless times. And I'm always so fascinated

00:50:35.520 with his ability to do that and his total disregard for the way that he looks in the name of learning

00:50:42.820 something new. It's, it's incredible to me. Yeah. That's, that's a really, it's really,

00:50:50.220 that's spot on. It's exactly who he is. That's great. Yeah. It's incredible. I love it. And he,

00:50:57.100 and you can't help but love that. Everybody loves him because he's humble and he's eager to learn new

00:51:03.280 things and do new things. And he's not dumb. He picks it up fast. Yeah. You know, he, he gets

00:51:09.020 tossed something. He's like, implements it immediately. Speed of action. I'm like, this

00:51:12.560 guy is incredible. Yeah. That's great. Uh, do you have time for one more? One more. Let's do one

00:51:18.620 more. Okay. Chris, uh, Henningston or Henningston. How do you deal with a divorce that has little hope

00:51:27.460 of reconciliation after a failed attempt to reconcile, even when you don't want to give up?

00:51:33.660 So I'm assuming deal with a divorce coming pending divorce. Yeah. A pending divorce. Yeah.

00:51:42.380 Yeah. Well, so I've got a good friend. His name's Keith Yackey. He, he runs a program called the

00:51:48.280 marriage game or the married game, marriage game, married game. Sorry, Keith. I can't remember what

00:51:52.940 it is right now, but marriage game or married game. I feel bad. I'll look it up. I'll look it up.

00:51:57.620 Keith Yackey. Yeah. Keith Yackey. And here's what he said to me as I was going through the prospect of

00:52:04.260 a divorce. He said, Ryan, whether you reconcile or not, you only have one play. There is only one

00:52:14.260 play regardless of what you want. And that is to be the best man that you can be. And if there's any

00:52:22.300 hope of reconciliation, then that play is the only thing that will work is you getting in shape,

00:52:30.360 you gaining new knowledge, you excelling in your career, you being present and engaged with her and

00:52:36.900 your kids. If that's the case, everything you can do to make yourself into the best man possible.

00:52:42.860 That is the only thing that you can do. If this is going to work and you have to do it for yourself.

00:52:49.340 If you do it for her, it doesn't count. You have to do it for yourself. And conversely,

00:52:55.840 if it doesn't work out and it's not going to work because it's too little too late or too far gone or

00:53:02.620 whatever else it might be, the only play you have to have a better life moving forward

00:53:09.220 is to be the best man that you possibly can be. Get in shape, develop new skills, keep communicating

00:53:17.540 with her in a respectful way and obviously building a relationship with your kids, work on your

00:53:21.580 career, work on your spirituality, get your financial house in order. So that actually should

00:53:28.260 bring you a little bit of hope and encouragement because there's no two different strategies

00:53:33.480 depending on where you're at. There's only one strategy and it will either work in that your

00:53:38.960 marriage will be better or it will work in that the marriage is too far gone and you're going to be

00:53:44.900 a great, great catch for the next woman to come into your life. And if that's the case, 0.96

00:53:50.400 I promise you, there are more women. Another woman will come into your life when you're ready, 1.00

00:53:54.900 when it's ready, when you're good and ready. But if you want to speed up that process

00:53:58.240 and live a more fulfilled, happy, engaged life pre or post divorce, you have one play. That's it.

00:54:06.440 Do that.

00:54:06.980 Well, it's a great way to wrap up the married game, married game. As soon as you started looking, 0.68

00:54:14.160 I remember the married game. Check it out. It's a great, great resource. I've personally gone

00:54:19.060 through it. Um, and we have guys in the iron council who've gone through. In fact, he's in

00:54:23.520 the iron council. Keith put together a course for members of the iron council. If you go over to left

00:54:28.980 sidebar and you look at courses that his course will come up. It's free. It's available to you inside

00:54:35.320 the iron council because you're a member. Excellent. All right. Well, thanks gentlemen

00:54:40.500 for your guys's questions today, guys from the IC to learn more about the iron council. Once again,

00:54:45.820 that's order of man.com slash iron council. Uh, maybe a call out around our AAR after action review.

00:54:53.740 Um, that's a process that we follow within the IC. It's a free resource that you could, uh,

00:54:59.480 get online and that's order of man.com slash AAR. And then I think the key thing is, uh, we have a

00:55:07.420 large event coming up in May, May 1st through the 4th. That's the men's forge. Uh, you can learn more

00:55:13.360 about that event at the men's forge.com. That's right. Well guys, great questions today. I really

00:55:19.900 appreciate them all. We talked about the caliber and quality of questions just a couple of weeks ago,

00:55:23.880 and it keeps rolling in like that. So very honored to be on the path. I mean, Kip and I are on the

00:55:29.440 path, you know, some, in some ways, maybe a little further ahead in some ways, maybe a little further

00:55:34.200 behind. We're all on different paths. Um, but we're, I'm learning, I'm not going to speak for

00:55:39.340 you, Kip, but I am learning just as much from you guys, uh, from the questions that you're asking

00:55:44.840 from guys in the iron council that I see their posts and I engage with them that things I've never even

00:55:50.440 thought of that I'm implementing in my life that is serving me too. So in a lot of ways,

00:55:54.440 sometimes I feel selfish. I, I, I tell people often I'm the biggest beneficiary of the work

00:55:59.120 that we're doing. So I am grateful for everybody. Anyways, guys, that's it. We'll be back on Friday

00:56:04.940 until then go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

00:56:14.140 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life

00:56:18.780 and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Masculinity in the Arts, the Drift of Life, and Why It's Good to be the Underdog ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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