Order of Man - MATT BEAUDREAU ｜ The Clear Path to Alternative Education

00:00:00.000 Man, you know that I've been a long time outspoken advocate for pulling your kids from government education to home-based education.

00:00:08.140 But I also understand how many barriers are in place to actually doing that from the mindsets and skill sets and financial resources.

00:00:16.420 It can really be daunting to even consider educating your kids within the walls of your home.

00:00:22.100 Today, my guest, Matt Boudreaux, and I talk about how to make that a reality.

00:00:27.580 We cover the resources you need to homeschool your children.

00:00:31.500 Also, alternative paths outside of government and home-based education.

00:00:35.680 Common myths to pulling your kids from school.

00:00:38.160 The difference between being educated and being schooled.

00:00:41.020 The game of college.

00:00:42.640 School choice for parents.

00:00:44.560 And so much more.

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00:01:10.260 Guys, what's up?

00:01:11.100 My name is Ryan Michler.

00:01:12.280 I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement.

00:01:15.320 Welcome here.

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00:01:18.980 this is a podcast dedicated to giving you the tools, resources, conversation,

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00:01:30.820 They want us to be women.

00:01:31.780 They want us to be weak.

00:01:32.880 They want us to be cowardly.

00:01:33.820 They want us to be pathetic and dependent.

00:01:35.540 And this is the antithesis of that.

00:01:38.820 I want you to be strong.

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00:01:42.820 And to that end, we have conversations with my guest, Matt Boudreau today, guys like Jocko Willink, David Goggins, Tim Kennedy, Tim Tebow, Terry Cruz, Ben Shapiro, Matthew McConaughey.

00:01:58.100 The list of men that we've had, which is over 300 at this point, is absolutely phenomenal and a testament to the work that we're doing here and the value you guys are deriving from this podcast.

00:02:08.540 So, uh, I'm going to get into it with Matt here in just a minute, because I know there's a lot of questions about alternative education and home-based education, especially since I've been talking about it so much over the past several years.

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00:03:17.840 All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest today, Matt Boudreau.

00:03:21.720 Uh, he's the founder of Acton Academy Placer and Acton Academy Sacramento, which are both alternative schooling options or educational options to the traditional schooling model that we often think of.

00:03:34.700 Uh, he's a former public school educator, administrator, and professor at Stanford University.

00:03:39.980 Uh, he's also the host of the essential 11 podcast and a world renowned keynote speaker.

00:03:44.840 He's got clients ranging from Lockheed Martin to the United States air force, Caterpillar, Honeywell, so many more.

00:03:51.620 And frankly, he's just made it his life's mission to find alternative and powerful education opportunities for our young men and women, including, uh, of a fairly recent partnership with Tim Kennedy in a young men's mentoring program called Apogee.

00:04:06.620 So I hope you enjoy this conversation.

00:04:09.240 Let it open your mind to the possibility of educating your kids outside of the government schooling option.

00:04:15.620 All right, Matt, I got to say, I'm a little worried.

00:04:18.400 Um, cause we're going to be talking about alternative based education and you sent me a message.

00:04:23.400 You're like, bro, I can't log on to the thing.

00:04:25.320 Like I can't log on to your, I'm like, Oh, great.

00:04:29.160 Here we go.

00:04:29.880 We're going to talk about schooling your kids at home or in an alternative way.

00:04:33.740 And this guy can't even log into a simple website.

00:04:35.880 Here we go again.

00:04:36.760 That's so funny, dude.

00:04:38.120 And yesterday I was, I was helping some other Acton owners, um, too.

00:04:43.560 And actually, uh, guys that are friends with Tim, uh, as well, man.

00:04:46.940 And we, the, the, between the three of us trying to get something done yesterday, it was the same thing, man.

00:04:51.420 Like we couldn't figure out the technology to even have the conversation.

00:04:53.800 So yeah, I may not be the poster child.

00:04:55.880 I don't know.

00:04:56.440 Yeah, man.

00:04:56.700 It's all good.

00:04:57.160 Like I, I, I completely understand.

00:04:59.720 It's, it's interesting to me because we always think about the educated as being the, like the rulers of the world, the people that are going to build the businesses, the people that are going to build.

00:05:11.940 And, you know, everything, but it's, you know, outside of like lawyers and politicians, it's really not the educated.

00:05:18.980 It's the wise, it's the people that have put some of this information into practice.

00:05:23.980 It's the people that can actually do right.

00:05:27.020 And so I differentiate, man, when I talk about this subject, I talk about the difference between being educated and being schooled.

00:05:34.560 And we've confused those two things in our country where we think the people that have the most schooling or have done, you know, gone to the most prestigious school, that that equates to capability.

00:05:46.580 And that's clearly not the case because it's what you said.

00:05:49.520 It's the people that can actually do and produce results.

00:05:52.140 Right.

00:05:52.380 And that may have absolutely nothing to do with the actual school that they went to.

00:05:57.740 But so here's the problem I have, though, or maybe not problem, but concern I have is when you look at the elite, we'll just use that term.

00:06:08.600 You guys can define that how you mean.

00:06:10.200 But what I mean is politicians, the ruling class, if you will, most of these individuals are schooled.

00:06:20.240 I'm using their terms.

00:06:21.940 Very much.

00:06:22.520 They've gone to Harvard.

00:06:23.820 They've gone to, I believe, schools.

00:06:25.600 They've been indoctrinated into this ideology.

00:06:29.440 So how does a guy who's not schooled like me, I mean, I went through K through 12 in a government school.

00:06:36.560 And that's, I use that term deliberately and I went through about a half a semester of post-secondary education and realized I'm out.

00:06:47.300 That's the extent of my formal schooling education.

00:06:51.460 I'm still being educated, but I also see it.

00:06:54.480 I'm like, man, if I was a lawyer, if I was an attorney, if I was a doctor, if I was whatever, you know, would I be more influential within society?

00:07:03.700 Would I be able to affect more change?

00:07:05.400 Yeah, I don't think that you would.

00:07:08.080 And you mentioned the, you know, the quote-unquote elite.

00:07:11.520 And that gives people the game.

00:07:13.560 You know, we can go as far down the education rabbit hole as we want to go or the schooling rabbit hole.

00:07:19.360 So what you're talking about with those politicians is the game of schooling.

00:07:24.680 I can tell you this, because of their network, because of their family lineage, they have access to opportunities, including getting into the Harvards, the Stanfords, the MITs.

00:07:33.640 And they could have a 1.7 GPA and be on probation.

00:07:37.020 They're still getting in, right?

00:07:39.160 It's not the merit.

00:07:39.920 This is that whole – this is that whole – I watched a documentary on Netflix or something about all these elites and these Hollywood people getting their loser children into Ivy League schools on swimming scholarships when, you know, they've never been on any sports field in their entire lives.

00:08:03.480 And people think that's brand new stuff.

00:08:06.280 That's the way it's always worked.

00:08:08.300 Of course.

00:08:08.580 There's always this level that has nothing to do with a meritocracy.

00:08:12.880 So if you're wealthy, if you're connected, welcome to wherever you want to go.

00:08:16.740 If you feel a need, welcome to wherever you want to go.

00:08:19.280 And then there's different levels of the game every year too, right?

00:08:22.060 You know, I mean, I was at Stanford University, right?

00:08:23.940 And so we get down to various levels and we start going, okay, I need less white dudes.

00:08:28.060 So it doesn't matter if the next most qualified individual is a white guy.

00:08:32.280 He's not getting in that year because we've got to fix our ratios, right?

00:08:35.780 There's all these games to play.

00:08:38.660 Okay, I've got to stop you.

00:08:40.180 Just to get into an indoctrination center?

00:08:41.860 Dude, not worth it.

00:08:42.620 I got to stop you right there because I hear what you're saying.

00:08:47.460 And if you were to look at the political spectrum and you were find the middle ground, I'm to the right.

00:08:54.380 Not just slightly, like I'm far to the right.

00:08:56.380 Not extreme, but I'm pretty far past the middle line.

00:09:00.200 And so I hear when you say things like, oh, this is the way it's always been.

00:09:05.460 What, you know, it's, this is how people, I'm like, okay.

00:09:09.780 And then, and then you're talking about, okay, we, there, there's a white guy.

00:09:13.580 We're not going to admit him or enroll him to me as somebody who I think most of the guys understand, like I'm, I'm right of center.

00:09:23.700 I think I hear that.

00:09:24.860 I'm like, yeah, that sounds good.

00:09:26.500 But really, like, does that really happen?

00:09:29.060 Like, tell me about that.

00:09:30.220 Let me, so let me reframe it.

00:09:32.120 So, and thank you for making me clarify the word.

00:09:35.260 So I shouldn't say it's always been that way because at the beginning of our, our institutions of higher education, it was not, it was not that way.

00:09:44.380 I will say over the last 30-ish years, it's slowly, well, now rapidly continue to go that way.

00:09:54.000 And I used white guy as an example, probably a bad idea since you and I are two, two bearded white guys that are more to the right of that line.

00:10:03.300 It could just as easily be, we need less Asian guys.

00:10:06.540 And that was something that actually came into the news a couple of years ago, right?

00:10:10.020 Where Harvard went, hey, we have too many Asians.

00:10:12.260 And so we've got to, so the point being that college admittance itself is a game.

00:10:20.740 And when I talk to parents all the time, I'm going, you know, I try to differentiate between school and education.

00:10:25.380 Education is something that you should be taking on every day, all the time.

00:10:29.880 It's inherent in what you do.

00:10:31.600 If you're trying to grow in any area, you're going to have to educate yourself.

00:10:36.500 School has a very particular game and there's a lot of ways to play that game.

00:10:41.680 That's the, that's the difference.

00:10:44.020 But, but my question is how blatant is it really?

00:10:47.500 Like, is there a board of, of individuals sitting around saying, okay, we need to bring these many, this, this many students in this year.

00:10:56.300 All right.

00:10:57.000 We have 90% white or Asian applicants.

00:11:02.100 And so we're going to bring in at the risk of being misogynistic or even racist.

00:11:08.680 We're going to bring in these many African-Americans.

00:11:12.080 We're going to bring in this many females versus males.

00:11:16.760 Like again, at the risk of being misogynistic, I really am trying to get to the root of it.

00:11:21.660 Is that blatant where it's like, no, we have to hit these numbers.

00:11:25.160 Yeah.

00:11:25.280 And again, so we're talking higher ed.

00:11:26.980 And so every one of these schools has their own game that they're playing.

00:11:31.380 If you're going to, you know, small little Brevard college, it's up the road for me.

00:11:36.600 I, I don't think they're playing that heavy of a game, but I can tell you when you start getting into your quote unquote elite schools, you know, I'm at Stanford university.

00:11:44.880 I know for a fact, we have 40,000 applications coming in every year.

00:11:49.040 If we accept blanket, if we accept more than 5% of those applicants, we ruin our rankings in U.S. news and world report.

00:12:00.160 What applicants are you talking about?

00:12:02.780 Any applicants that want to come in as an undergrad student.

00:12:04.940 So you got 40,000 applications to Stanford.

00:12:08.140 They want to come there, right?

00:12:09.620 Got it.

00:12:10.200 So if there is a meritocracy there, whereas we say, all right, we're Stanford university.

00:12:15.220 And if anybody meets this criteria, A, B, C, D, E, F, welcome to Stanford, right?

00:12:20.240 That's how we're taught the game works.

00:12:22.600 Do the right things.

00:12:23.680 And you're competing with other people.

00:12:25.520 There's so many more layers to that.

00:12:27.800 One of those being we can only accept 5%.

00:12:30.220 Even if 10% should be there, we can only accept five.

00:12:32.800 And then you start doing those other layers of, well, they're uber connected.

00:12:38.540 They're uber wealthy.

00:12:39.480 We need a point guard.

00:12:40.500 We need a cellist.

00:12:41.900 We need a certain race.

00:12:44.620 We need a certain ratio of males, females.

00:12:47.380 All of those things play in.

00:12:49.720 So somebody who very much deserves to get in may not get in in a given year to a given school based on the given game being played at that school in that year.

00:13:00.780 And it might look different the very next year.

00:13:02.800 Because they're not black or they're not a woman or they're not based on some immutable characteristic.

00:13:08.220 Correct.

00:13:08.720 That has nothing to do with their performance going in.

00:13:11.920 Okay.

00:13:12.220 But let me, again, I'm going to come back and clarify because I really want to get to the root of this.

00:13:16.560 I hear so many people and I'm trying to be as objective as possible.

00:13:19.780 Sure.

00:13:20.120 I hear so many people use the term they, right?

00:13:23.820 Like, they don't want this to happen.

00:13:26.360 They are orchestrating this.

00:13:28.400 They are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:29.880 It's like, who is they?

00:13:31.620 Like, is there a, is there a, is there a, like a, a, a group of people making these decisions?

00:13:38.800 Like, who is they?

00:13:40.380 Amorphous.

00:13:40.920 Yeah.

00:13:41.200 Who are these amorphous, right?

00:13:42.660 And so, you know, when you get into the regions who, who kind of control admissions, right?

00:13:52.680 And again, each school is a little different.

00:13:54.580 And so you've got donors at a certain level that are playing into some of these decisions that I've seen.

00:14:01.920 And I'm just speaking from what I've seen, right?

00:14:03.480 You've got specific donors that are able to speak specifically into what some of this criteria needs to look like.

00:14:11.320 And I wasn't at the top of that funnel making any of those decisions.

00:14:15.180 I'm speaking more from the experience of not just having students that have faced backlash or gotten in when they shouldn't have gotten in,

00:14:21.800 but from having admissions records right in front of me and going, Ooh, this student makes sense.

00:14:27.000 And, and people being able to, and as I send it up the line, people go, no, we're going to, we got to take that one out.

00:14:32.160 Or as I go, no way, this student's the no go.

00:14:35.520 They go, you don't know who her mom is.

00:14:38.080 Yeah.

00:14:38.220 That's going to keep going.

00:14:39.400 Right.

00:14:39.640 And I wasn't high up, high enough up the food chain to see who's pulling the ultimate strings on that.

00:14:46.320 But were you high enough up the food chain to say, Hey, this person, we ought to reconsider.

00:14:50.840 It sounds like you're saying that you had some sort of influence over this.

00:14:54.920 I had very clear, there were some very clear yeses and nos in my short time there.

00:15:00.600 And I had very clear directives to change, or I had some things that I said, look, based on our criteria, that's a no.

00:15:07.560 And I got word later, no, that's absolutely a yes, because of who that is.

00:15:13.060 Wow, man.

00:15:13.600 And so again, whoever's, you know, whoever is pulling the ultimate strings up there, you know, I don't know.

00:15:21.540 And I'm speaking from my experience at one university where I had that position, right?

00:15:25.440 We get it.

00:15:26.180 But we get it.

00:15:27.740 And again, it's, it's, it's, I'm just trying to be more open.

00:15:33.140 Again, I already said, like, I'm, I'm right of center.

00:15:35.900 Everybody that listens to this podcast for any amount of time knows that, but I'm trying to see it like, okay.

00:15:41.220 Is there really a quote unquote, they, is there really some sort of grand scheme or strategy?

00:15:47.760 Right.

00:15:48.200 And based on the people I've talked with, the answer is yes.

00:15:52.060 And that's, and it's more, I think it's more readily obvious when you start looking at K through 12, right?

00:15:57.600 And you start looking at the teachers unions that are truly pulling the strings, right?

00:16:01.400 You don't have your school boards and all that.

00:16:03.220 They don't have the influence that, that everybody thinks the site administrator has no, you know, the principal has no power there.

00:16:09.680 The school board has a little bit, but the, the unions are the ones pulling the strings in most of these districts to make a lot of decisions there too.

00:16:17.220 You see it more clearly there, but the question for me is always, why do you want to play that game in the first place?

00:16:23.400 Like you said, you know, if you, if I see, if you want to be a doctor or a lawyer, yep, you bet you have to legally, right?

00:16:30.100 Well, actually you can become a lawyer without going to law school.

00:16:32.480 That's one thing that I learned from a lawyer, a friend.

00:16:34.900 Hold on.

00:16:35.040 I want to talk.

00:16:35.700 I want to, we'll get to that.

00:16:37.020 I actually want to revisit that.

00:16:38.860 Cause that's interesting.

00:16:40.480 I want to revisit that.

00:16:41.440 It is interesting, but like, if you want to be a doctor, yes, you've got to go, you've got to play that game.

00:16:45.020 Right.

00:16:45.260 I still don't believe that it's as effective.

00:16:48.960 If my son goes, man, I'm going to be a doctor.

00:16:50.940 I know that's my path.

00:16:51.920 I know that's where I'm going.

00:16:53.100 Cool.

00:16:53.440 He's got to go to, he's got to go to school.

00:16:55.020 He's got to go to medical school.

00:16:56.020 So if he knows that's his path, what are we doing?

00:16:59.580 Making him spend two, three semesters, four semesters taking, you know, liberal, uh, liberal studies of Chinese ideology of 1800.

00:17:10.220 Like there's so much superfluous garbage that they've got to take still too, right?

00:17:14.160 That has nothing to do with it, but it sure does cost a ton of money.

00:17:16.720 Um, so there's still an element of a silly game that's being played, but for the majority of the people.

00:17:23.600 And I asked a group of college professors, this, uh, university of South Carolina, and I was speaking there.

00:17:28.840 I said, what do people learn?

00:17:32.360 Do students learn when they come into your classroom that they cannot absolutely cannot get anywhere else.

00:17:40.460 And probably for free, like it's, can they, if they, can they YouTube your material?

00:17:44.320 Can they read your material somewhere else?

00:17:46.140 Are they going to be able to experience something that's going to teach them the same lessons?

00:17:49.860 What, like, why do they have to take professor Ryan Mickler's class?

00:17:55.000 That's a bad example.

00:17:56.380 Everybody knows why they should take professor Mickler.

00:17:58.500 I probably could have picked any other name.

00:18:00.680 It's like, why do they have to take your class?

00:18:02.520 And none of them could give an answer.

00:18:04.080 They said, and this is a room of, of 80, 80 to a hundred people.

00:18:07.420 And they said, they don't necessarily need our class, but they need us to sign off on the material so they can get their diploma.

00:18:14.920 To me, I'd give an answer to that.

00:18:16.760 Yeah.

00:18:17.880 My answer to that.

00:18:19.180 And, and I don't, I don't know if I totally agree with this, but my answer.

00:18:24.040 Like, if I'm being objective as possible is that, yeah, you could go to YouTube, but like, are you really going to do it?

00:18:32.560 Oh yeah.

00:18:33.460 Majority of people.

00:18:34.080 I don't, I don't think they are actually.

00:18:36.020 Yeah.

00:18:36.540 I agree with you.

00:18:37.540 The majority of people aren't just like the majority of the people that sit there and take professor, whoever's class.

00:18:44.860 Aren't going to actually apply things there.

00:18:47.340 A lot of times anyways.

00:18:49.100 Right.

00:18:49.560 And they're going to play the game of school to get whatever grade they want to get to, to go on to the next thing.

00:18:54.700 But they're not the majority.

00:18:56.980 Some people go there very intentionally and they're, and they're better off for it.

00:19:01.020 Right.

00:19:01.360 And they would have been fine, even if they didn't go through some sort of government education or post-secondary formal education.

00:19:07.720 Bingo.

00:19:08.280 Cause what we're talking about.

00:19:08.860 Like you and me.

00:19:09.920 Exactly.

00:19:10.500 So who is the individual?

00:19:11.800 Are they going to go get it themselves?

00:19:12.980 Right.

00:19:13.640 That's the thing.

00:19:14.400 And I was on a, do you remember clubhouse?

00:19:16.140 Remember the app clubhouse?

00:19:17.360 I don't even know if that's still even a thing.

00:19:18.900 Yeah.

00:19:19.140 It's like a, like a video thing or something.

00:19:21.820 A bunch of people can get into like a chat room and then you can join that and hear like live conversation or whatever.

00:19:27.040 Right.

00:19:27.560 Right.

00:19:27.800 So I was in, I was in a clubhouse things probably like nine, nine, 10 months ago with a couple of friends of mine.

00:19:33.820 We were in, there was some CEOs, a CEO of Coors, the beer drinker.

00:19:38.580 Like he was in there, CEO of Hobby Lobby.

00:19:40.220 It was like this weird mishmash.

00:19:41.680 And I, there was a business professor from Princeton.

00:19:44.900 And we started talking about education, started talking about the schools that I, that I run.

00:19:49.620 He's like, yeah, I just think those, you know, that's, I don't think that's going to be effective.

00:19:54.240 And he started going down the parenting, the way I was talking about parenting.

00:19:56.980 He's like, ah, gosh, man, I'm just not sure that's the way to, to really raise kids.

00:20:00.480 And I stopped him.

00:20:01.360 And I said, hold on a second, how many business, you're a, you're a business professor.

00:20:04.700 How many businesses do you own?

00:20:06.280 How many of you run?

00:20:07.940 Zero.

00:20:08.880 How many kids do you have?

00:20:10.580 Zero.

00:20:11.300 Right.

00:20:11.580 And that's another big problem in academia is that we play a whole lot of theory in there and you're supposed to espouse this theory back.

00:20:19.880 Who's actually applying those things.

00:20:21.720 And that's like you said, you and I are the ones that are going out and the people that are going out that are autodidacts that are going to go actually put in the work.

00:20:27.960 They're the ones that are going to create the impact, whether they went to school or not.

00:20:30.720 I've thought about this with my kids, somebody several weeks or months ago on Instagram, because I'm a big proponent of home-based education.

00:20:42.140 I've, I've typically used the term homeschooling.

00:20:45.000 I'm not going to use that term anymore.

00:20:47.040 I'm going to call it home-based education for some specific reasons.

00:20:50.060 We get it out if we want.

00:20:51.260 That's the term I'm going to use.

00:20:53.460 And, and somebody had, you know, they always make snippy comments.

00:20:56.400 They, right.

00:20:57.120 They, again, some of these people make snippy comments.

00:21:00.600 It's about, you know, like, oh, well, you know, your kids aren't going to be socialized.

00:21:03.660 Your kids aren't going to be this.

00:21:04.580 Your kids aren't going to be that.

00:21:05.560 And I just said, you know, my four children are going to run circles around your kids.

00:21:11.420 They're going to, they're going to be their bosses.

00:21:13.260 They're going to be the business owners.

00:21:14.780 They're going to be the managers and your children who are government-based education are going to have to report to my kids.

00:21:22.880 Bingo.

00:21:23.420 And you're not wrong.

00:21:25.060 My, my 11 year old and you, you know what I mean?

00:21:27.380 You know my kids.

00:21:28.040 And so she said, I think it was about two years ago.

00:21:32.760 And this was two years ago.

00:21:34.100 She was nine.

00:21:34.720 Brielle was seven.

00:21:35.420 And they had just purchased their first horses.

00:21:38.260 They purchased their first horses based on the businesses that they are running.

00:21:43.580 Right.

00:21:44.100 And they haven't been government school of the day in their life.

00:21:46.700 They purchased those.

00:21:48.360 And Morgan said something along the lines of, I'm glad there are still people that are kids our age that are going to go to college though, because if our business gets big enough, we're going to need to have people work for us.

00:21:59.960 You're going to need to have lawyers and accountants.

00:22:03.340 Yep.

00:22:03.740 Spot on.

00:22:05.600 Right.

00:22:05.780 And you're absolutely right.

00:22:06.760 We will run circles.

00:22:07.720 And as much as that breaks my heart for the, for, you know, the kids that are going to experience that government schooling throughout, the reality is my kids are my responsibility.

00:22:17.580 Your kids are your responsibility.

00:22:18.640 And we want to make sure that they have the best opportunity.

00:22:20.700 And this is what's going to make the best opportunity.

00:22:23.120 The whole socialization thing.

00:22:24.960 We need to destroy that right now.

00:22:27.120 That's easy to destroy.

00:22:28.020 We need to destroy that myth right now.

00:22:29.720 Um, you know, you see it when I have to get into it.

00:22:33.960 Let's talk about, cause that's what there's usually four or five, Matt, and you know, this better than I do.

00:22:38.840 Yes, sir.

00:22:39.740 There's usually four or five.

00:22:41.500 There's, there's an infinite number of arguments, but they fall into four or five categories.

00:22:45.380 And one of them is socialization.

00:22:48.060 That's a big, right.

00:22:49.700 That's a huge one.

00:22:51.060 So the whole concept is, well, how are you kids going to, going to be socialized if you, if you educate them out?

00:22:56.700 And so I like to turn that question back around to parents and say, okay, well, how are your kids going to be socialized if they spend their entire day only with other people of their same date of manufacture, right?

00:23:11.100 They're only dealing with people that are their exact same age.

00:23:14.380 They're being taught to look down upon younger.

00:23:16.540 They're being taught to automatically revere older.

00:23:18.940 They're being taught that anybody that claims authority is somebody they should be blindly obedient to, including ask permission to, you know, go and go to the bathroom.

00:23:28.240 They're in a, in a system all day long, five days a week for 12, 14, 16, 18 years.

00:23:37.580 That does not transfer to any other system we have in society.

00:23:42.920 But hold, let me pause.

00:23:44.380 Again, I'm trying to look at this as objectively as possible.

00:23:48.700 Is that really true?

00:23:51.020 Because if you think about it for a second, there's always a hierarchy, right?

00:23:56.620 There's, so let me just give you a little anecdote here and we can keep going.

00:24:00.700 Yeah.

00:24:00.980 But years ago I went to, I think it was my oldest son's, I don't know, like, like house warming party or something.

00:24:10.320 I don't know what they even called it, but it's like the priest, like before school starts, like come meet the teacher, meet and greet, something like that.

00:24:17.900 And so I went and I went into their classroom and I'm like, all right, I don't want to see how their classroom is organized.

00:24:22.540 And there was a list of 10 rules and the 10, and I thought the 10 rules were solid, like good rules, you know, civil rules, like all kids should need to know this.

00:24:31.680 But at the same time, I was like, oh man, like this is what they're teaching them.

00:24:34.780 And I, and I, and I screenshotted it.

00:24:36.920 I made a post and a bunch of people were like, well, what's wrong with those rules?

00:24:39.780 And as I looked at it objectively, I'm like, no, that's actually not wrong.

00:24:42.640 Like those are good rules.

00:24:44.480 It just rubbed me the wrong way.

00:24:46.760 But then I thought, I thought about it.

00:24:48.080 Like when my kids get into the real world, like there is going to be some of that hierarchy there that I think I would want them to know.

00:24:57.080 For sure there is.

00:24:58.040 But what's that hierarchy in the real world going to be based on?

00:25:00.380 It's going to be based on competence.

00:25:01.980 It's going to be based on how you treat other people.

00:25:04.640 It's not going to be the way that everybody is divided in a, in a traditional, what I call conveyor belt school system, where you're only with a specific group of predefined people.

00:25:20.720 Where else does that happen?

00:25:21.900 That happens in prison, right?

00:25:23.240 White guys speak with white guys, black guys with the black guys, right?

00:25:26.320 You, you don't have a voice.

00:25:28.420 You've got your different gangs, right?

00:25:29.980 And so they've got to establish their hierarchy.

00:25:33.140 And so then you want to show that your dominance.

00:25:35.160 So you, you know, you show dominance through physicality and you show dominance through manipulation and you show dominance there because that's also a way for your group to have a voice.

00:25:45.200 Because the reality is the rest of the day, you're being told when to go somewhere, what to do, when to do it, all of those things.

00:25:52.940 Again, very similar to how that looks in school, right?

00:25:56.060 So yeah, there's always hierarchies, but a hierarchy that naturally develops because we are figuring out our tribe, figuring out if we're each part of this tribe, figuring out I'm the leader here because I'm competent here.

00:26:11.740 You're the leader there because you're competent there.

00:26:14.140 You know, that's, that's a much different hierarchy.

00:26:18.260 Um, I would argue then, then what you get in a, in a conveyor belt school system.

00:26:22.920 Well, I had a really interesting conversation with two of my children yesterday.

00:26:28.340 In fact, I was sitting there and I was washing some dishes.

00:26:31.620 My wife and I had just made dinner together.

00:26:33.240 We had made breakfast for dinner and I'm sitting there washing the dishes and outside of our.

00:26:39.100 Kitchen window where the sink is, I can see my wife's garden in the, in the, in the backyard.

00:26:44.200 And I saw my daughter in one of the garden boxes and her brother, my son had pushed her from what it looked like, had pushed her into the garden box.

00:26:57.820 So I, I hollered at him like, Hey, both of you come up here.

00:27:01.140 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 And they both came up and I really, I'm, I'm trying to be more deliberate and intentional about this.

00:27:07.600 So my oldest son, you know, he lied to me, right?

00:27:10.480 Like he, he, he kind of manipulated the lake, but he lied like that out.

00:27:15.000 He lied because I watched it.

00:27:16.500 I was, saw the whole thing.

00:27:17.500 Yep.

00:27:18.020 And my, my daughter was being a wimp.

00:27:22.160 Like both existed.

00:27:24.560 Yep.

00:27:25.400 All right.

00:27:25.660 My son was being a bully.

00:27:27.360 My daughter was being a wimp.

00:27:29.160 And I, and I, and I talked to him.

00:27:30.920 I said, look, you're both wrong.

00:27:34.240 Son, you're wrong for being a bit of a bully and daughter.

00:27:39.500 You're wrong for being a bit of a wimp.

00:27:42.160 And I couldn't help, but think how this would happen in government schooling, where the kid

00:27:48.160 would be, the, the, the, the boy, the brother would be suspended and, and it would be make,

00:27:53.020 making a big deal.

00:27:53.820 And we're talking about hierarchies.

00:27:54.980 And I'm like, hold on.

00:27:55.620 Like there's no nuance in any of this.

00:27:58.480 And that's very frustrating to me.

00:28:00.340 It's very frustrating.

00:28:01.420 And again, it's not transferable because what you just gave an example of is how things can

00:28:06.200 actually play out in the real world when there's context and you don't have context in a system

00:28:12.240 that is designed to have everybody doing and saying the same thing at the same time on,

00:28:17.900 again, that's why I call it kind of that conveyor belt schooling, right?

00:28:20.760 And notice what we're, what we're talking about too.

00:28:22.720 We're talking about socialization in terms of just habits and natural human behavior.

00:28:28.580 We're not even mentioning any of the agenda kind of stuff that turns into being a vast issue

00:28:34.540 in our government schools, right?

00:28:35.840 So again, what are you being socialized for?

00:28:38.260 What are you being conditioned towards?

00:28:39.900 What kind of mindset are you being, you know, are you being given?

00:28:43.480 That's a whole different conversation around that.

00:28:45.700 So again, there's the nuance just gets lost because it has to, it's a, it's non-effective

00:28:51.240 system if we allow for that nuance for our kids.

00:28:54.860 Well, the conveyor belt doesn't allow for nuance.

00:28:57.220 That's exactly right.

00:28:58.220 It's like, oh, that's wrong.

00:28:59.500 Pull that out, throw it away, restart.

00:29:01.220 Bingo.

00:29:01.760 Bingo.

00:29:02.340 It's the cog in the wheel, right?

00:29:04.000 And it's designed that way so that you, that's it.

00:29:07.100 You can put the majority of people through as quickly as humanly possible.

00:29:11.800 Let's, let's talk about this term that you just used, the agenda.

00:29:17.140 I've been openly critical about government schooling for about three to four years now.

00:29:21.520 And I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this grand agenda versus a bunch of misguided

00:29:36.260 individuals who I think probably got into schooling and education for the right reasons.

00:29:45.140 I'll just leave it there.

00:29:47.480 Like what, like how many people have an agenda versus how many people are just misguided in

00:29:54.000 their approach to education?

00:29:55.880 Yeah.

00:29:56.240 So the, the, I think the mistake in the assumption on that is that there is a lot of individual

00:30:05.580 choice or intellectual freedom for the majority of our educators, because there's not, I am fully

00:30:13.680 with you.

00:30:14.180 The majority of people get into this profession altruistically.

00:30:18.340 They're phenomenal humans.

00:30:19.660 And I've got nothing but this.

00:30:20.800 I hope people hear this.

00:30:21.720 I have nothing but love and respect for the good people who are teachers and administrators

00:30:25.640 who are still in, in these government schools, nothing but respect and love for them.

00:30:29.440 And I was there, right?

00:30:30.340 I was, I was with them.

00:30:31.280 The problem is you are told what needs to be promoted.

00:30:36.680 You are told what the curriculum is and you are to adhere to that curriculum.

00:30:44.720 Otherwise you are risking your own job.

00:30:47.380 You are to adhere to the ideology.

00:30:50.420 Otherwise you are risking your job.

00:30:53.380 So you've got a lot of teachers who are perpetuating things.

00:30:56.060 They don't want to perpetuate.

00:30:57.700 And then you have to do that because they're, because they're afraid to lose their job.

00:31:02.760 You know, I mean teachers I talk to on a daily basis, teachers and administrators that are

00:31:07.340 like, Oh, this is sucking my soul, but I'm eight years away from retirement.

00:31:14.460 I hear it all the time.

00:31:15.860 And at the college level too, right?

00:31:17.660 If I don't, if I don't toe the line tenure, if I don't toe the line.

00:31:22.580 And so if I speak out against, you know, LBGT, whatever that, if I speak out against that,

00:31:28.520 if I, if I'm in higher ed and I say intelligent design, not even God, if I just say intelligent

00:31:33.720 design, I'm risking my career, I'm risking my tenure.

00:31:36.660 And it's in the K through 12 system, right?

00:31:38.760 They're setting up, um, you know, setting up, uh, COVID, uh, vaccination centers at certain

00:31:46.420 schools where I was in, in California, and they're setting these up and teachers are having

00:31:50.740 to ask their students certain questions and offer these things to them when they themselves

00:31:54.820 don't, didn't want to do that.

00:31:57.920 They didn't want to vaccinate their own kids.

00:31:59.560 They didn't want to vaccinate.

00:32:00.300 They didn't believe that whether you do or don't, I don't care that these teachers did

00:32:03.740 not want to perpetuate that, but they were risking their career.

00:32:09.120 They were risking, um, you know, getting on the naughty list if they didn't go along with

00:32:13.420 the status quo.

00:32:14.200 And that's the same as the curriculum continues to get introduced.

00:32:17.040 If you're not on board, you were going to lose your position.

00:32:21.700 And if that's their livelihood and that's all they've ever done, that scares a lot of

00:32:24.780 people.

00:32:25.340 I, I, I mean, have the experience of saying, well, F you, then I'm going to go do something

00:32:30.260 else.

00:32:30.500 I mean, I, I, but I don't pretend that everybody, um, feels like they can, they can do that.

00:32:35.680 And there's a lot of teachers that feel trapped.

00:32:37.400 Yeah.

00:32:37.780 But like, here's what I'm going to say.

00:32:40.780 That makes you a horrible human being.

00:32:43.460 If you don't pull, get out.

00:32:45.100 Um, not get out or you go along with the agenda when you don't believe, like you're out of

00:32:50.940 integrity.

00:32:51.360 There's nothing lower than that.

00:32:53.500 Nope.

00:32:53.840 I agree.

00:32:54.860 I agree.

00:32:55.620 I mean, I agree.

00:32:56.520 That's why you left.

00:32:57.360 And again, I, I, I feel for them.

00:32:59.560 Um, I get what they're saying, but I also, I'm with you, um, at the end of the day, man,

00:33:04.100 pull.

00:33:04.280 And, and I say the same thing, honestly, to parents who see all this and won't pull their

00:33:09.220 kids out.

00:33:09.820 So, but wait, but you say, pull, you're talking about kids or you're talking about teachers

00:33:15.100 pulling.

00:33:15.540 I'm talking about, I was talking about teachers first saying, I agree with you, but let's

00:33:18.560 address that because everybody talks about not everybody, but everybody's heard me talk

00:33:23.240 about pulling your kids from homeschool.

00:33:24.660 We'll get into it in a minute.

00:33:25.580 Cause that's, or excuse me, pull your kids from government school, government schools.

00:33:28.460 Yeah.

00:33:28.720 We'll talk about that in a minute.

00:33:29.740 I don't think I've ever had a conversation about teachers pulling.

00:33:34.640 Yeah.

00:33:35.540 So let, let, like, let's explore that for a minute.

00:33:38.440 Sure.

00:33:38.760 So I, I, I don't know what the exact percentage is.

00:33:44.560 So somebody, if anybody's listening, can they can go check this for themselves, but the number

00:33:49.980 of, I remember talking to, uh, to a group of professors in California and it was somewhere

00:33:56.120 near 50 ish percent of teachers, new teachers that got their credential, went into the classrooms

00:34:04.580 in California.

00:34:06.400 They were leaving the career altogether within three years, like 50% of new teachers within

00:34:13.340 three years leaving never to come back.

00:34:17.160 Right.

00:34:17.620 Never to come back to the profession to a mass exodus 50% in three years, in three years.

00:34:23.940 And they never, I mean, that's all a lot of these people ever wanted to do.

00:34:26.480 Right.

00:34:26.640 And they're, and they're pulling in, they're leaving.

00:34:29.260 So there are a good number of teachers who are like, Hey, and the earlier, usually they

00:34:34.540 see it and they see the handcuffs that are placed on them.

00:34:37.260 And they see the ideologies that they're told to pass down.

00:34:40.100 There are a good percentage who are like, Nope.

00:34:42.200 See you later.

00:34:42.860 I'm out of here.

00:34:43.660 Bye.

00:34:44.740 You see it less with the people that've got, you know, have 23 years and 24 years in the

00:34:50.380 state's going to fund my pension at 30, right.

00:34:52.220 You see it less there.

00:34:53.280 They're less, they're less apt money.

00:34:56.460 Yep.

00:34:56.740 That's it.

00:34:57.160 There is the, the, the threat of being uncomfortable when in all, you know, they'd always

00:35:01.960 put golden handcuffs.

00:35:04.300 That's exactly what it is, man.

00:35:06.120 Yep.

00:35:06.600 It's exactly what it is, but.

00:35:08.180 All right.

00:35:08.360 So, but let me, let me ask you this then let's, let's talk about educators in the government

00:35:12.920 schooling system because it's funny.

00:35:16.100 Every time I introduce some of these concepts, people always say, well, right.

00:35:20.740 Have you talked to any, I have family members who are ed government educators.

00:35:25.820 I have friends who are, I don't think any less of them.

00:35:28.320 I love those people.

00:35:29.260 Of course.

00:35:29.880 My family, they're my friends.

00:35:30.700 Like they're people I talk with.

00:35:32.120 I love those people.

00:35:33.160 I think they went into it for altruistic reasons.

00:35:35.000 Like you said.

00:35:36.000 Yep.

00:35:36.220 Um, what, what do they do though?

00:35:38.800 Like at some point it's, it's, it's, it's a little disheartening to me that for the most

00:35:44.560 part, does your wife work outside of the home or is she a stay at home mother?

00:35:48.960 No, sir.

00:35:49.640 She's here.

00:35:50.280 And now that we're on, she's out here running the ranch.

00:35:52.920 So that's what I thought.

00:35:53.860 Same, same with my wife, you know, not the ranch, but the homestead.

00:35:56.980 Cause we're not quite to ranch level yet, but she's the homestead.

00:35:59.440 And, and I can't help, but feel for a mother or a father who's like, Hey, you know, like

00:36:07.760 I want to work, I want to teach children.

00:36:09.500 I want to be influential in their lives.

00:36:11.040 I've joined for altruistic reasons, uh, but also we need two incomes.

00:36:16.760 Yeah.

00:36:17.240 What is it?

00:36:17.800 What does a, a, a government educator like that do?

00:36:21.280 Yeah.

00:36:21.780 That's a great, it's a great question.

00:36:23.100 And I hear that.

00:36:23.880 You've been there.

00:36:24.740 Uh, I've very much been there.

00:36:26.260 Um, so it was, we have to figure out how to, we had to figure out how to get out.

00:36:32.280 We had to figure out what that looked like.

00:36:33.800 And I, I went down, um, kind of the, not knowing what I, you know, didn't know at that time.

00:36:40.040 And I had a government, I was an administrator, right?

00:36:41.900 So I was a government teacher first.

00:36:43.800 And I went, okay, well, this isn't about kids.

00:36:46.360 I was what I called kind of creatively insubordinate.

00:36:48.640 I was always getting in trouble for, uh, for doing what I thought that kid needed versus

00:36:52.780 what I was told that they needed.

00:36:54.620 Um, and I got brought into a superintendent's office and the superintendent was like, Hey,

00:36:58.240 we got kind of a problem here.

00:36:59.480 Like your side administrator is telling me you, you know, you're, you're relatively insubordinate.

00:37:05.020 You won't teach what we're.

00:37:06.380 What is that?

00:37:06.580 Your teacher or your, your principal or your vice principal?

00:37:08.980 What is a side administrator?

00:37:10.440 Yeah.

00:37:10.660 The principal, um, the principal.

00:37:12.620 Yeah.

00:37:12.840 It was like, you know, you're, you're, you're not really following through on what, um, what

00:37:16.500 she's asking you to do.

00:37:18.000 But our problem is all the other teachers love you.

00:37:20.860 All the students love you.

00:37:21.720 All the parents love you and nobody would ever want to get rid of you.

00:37:24.880 So you're putting us in a weird spot, right?

00:37:27.020 So, sorry.

00:37:28.060 Yeah.

00:37:28.420 So whoops, exactly.

00:37:29.800 So I'm like, you know what, I'm going to go ahead and be a side administrator so that

00:37:32.700 I can, so that I can pull the strings.

00:37:34.780 Right.

00:37:35.060 And so then I go get my credential and you start to see more of the same thing.

00:37:38.940 This is about money.

00:37:39.800 This is about politics.

00:37:40.760 This is about perpetuating the system as it exists.

00:37:45.600 We're not talking about kids and we're sure as hell, not talking about individualizing

00:37:50.880 anything, um, for these kids and putting any context on it.

00:37:54.300 Right.

00:37:54.460 So I naively let go of my six figure job there to go to a private school and make $31,000.

00:38:04.760 First year, we just had our first kid.

00:38:06.860 So, but how did you do that?

00:38:09.220 Because from going from a hundred plus thousand dollars and taking a minimum of 67% increase

00:38:16.840 or decrease, excuse me.

00:38:18.240 Yep.

00:38:18.860 It was, so how did you do that?

00:38:20.820 Yeah, it was, uh, we're going to, we're going to cut down on our expenses and we're going

00:38:24.680 to side hustle.

00:38:25.260 So we moved, we moved to a place where there was, um, where, you know, the rent was a whole

00:38:30.520 lot less.

00:38:31.040 We got rid of one of our cars, um, and I took on side hustle cause we didn't want, you know,

00:38:36.740 if we could make it work, we wanted Heather to be able to stay home.

00:38:39.920 So I took on side hustle and started doing some teacher training things on the side too,

00:38:44.220 which is what kind of ended up sparking the speaking career.

00:38:46.340 So it was, you know, a maniacal amount of work on my side, um, and some, you know, a couple

00:38:53.200 years of living really, really lean man to make sure it happened.

00:38:56.160 And I knew I wasn't going to stay in that $30,000, you know, that was, we're going to

00:39:00.360 do that for this year and I'm going to start building out something else.

00:39:03.380 You know, what were, what were some of your fears when you did that?

00:39:06.820 Because I know there's going to be a lot of educators who are listening to that or this

00:39:10.100 right now.

00:39:10.440 And they're like, well, you know, I, I would like, that must be nice.

00:39:13.780 It must be this and that, but like, what were some of the fears that you experienced?

00:39:18.540 And so it's horrifying.

00:39:19.400 No, it's not, it's not nice.

00:39:20.980 It's not nice to go.

00:39:21.800 Hey, a hundred K.

00:39:23.180 Sorry, sweetie, 31 K.

00:39:24.900 Yes.

00:39:25.140 Our, our baby's brand new, right?

00:39:27.160 Like your wife go back to work at the time or you just buckle down.

00:39:31.120 We just buckled down.

00:39:32.200 We just got very, very intentional.

00:39:33.820 So what's the fear?

00:39:34.900 The fear is that you're not going to be able to make it work financially.

00:39:38.020 The fear is that I'm not going to figure out anything.

00:39:41.180 And I'm going to have to stay in this, you know, $30,000 a year job, either more than

00:39:45.560 one year, or I'm going to have to go back into the public schools, or I'm going to have

00:39:48.560 to go into a different career altogether.

00:39:50.360 Um, the fear is, you know, my wife's going to have to try to take something.

00:39:54.160 I mean, it's all of those, or she's going to get pissed and just be like, you better

00:39:57.080 figure something out or I'm out.

00:39:58.160 I mean, there's all of those normal things.

00:40:00.100 Right.

00:40:00.900 Um, but we made a commitment.

00:40:02.040 We're like, all right, let's buckle down for this year and I'm going to make something

00:40:05.300 else happen.

00:40:05.880 And so again, go, went into administration in the private area, which, uh, in the, in

00:40:09.800 the private arena, which, um, you still make vastly less than you do in the, in the

00:40:14.620 public sector.

00:40:15.220 Um, but that helped in the speaking private, you do, you make less in private schooling

00:40:21.020 than public schooling.

00:40:22.240 Almost always, almost always significantly less.

00:40:26.640 Yeah.

00:40:27.500 Um, and so, you know, started building out kind of these, these side businesses where ultimately

00:40:33.200 it got to the point where I realized I love working with young people.

00:40:38.820 I love working with the parents and the families and, and pouring into them and setting them

00:40:43.100 on these great trajectories, but I am not going to be able to do it in this conveyor belt

00:40:47.060 school system.

00:40:48.080 So, which is ultimately why I left to build something different.

00:40:52.340 And again, I make it sound like it was just a hop, skip and a jump.

00:40:55.100 No, there were five years at that private school too, which was when I started my speaking

00:41:00.360 career as well.

00:41:01.140 Right.

00:41:01.340 So by the time I got done with the private schools, I was doing 70 keynotes a year, um, for

00:41:06.580 fortune 500.

00:41:07.300 So I had made sure I had another income source altogether so that I could step away.

00:41:12.940 How did you do that?

00:41:14.040 I had, how did you do that?

00:41:15.780 You said 70 keynotes.

00:41:17.680 Let's say you did one.

00:41:19.220 I mean, that'd have to be 1.1 or 1.2 a week.

00:41:23.020 Yep.

00:41:24.360 Yes, sir.

00:41:24.900 So for, for five years, I average, so one year I averaged 70, um, the next four years

00:41:31.240 I averaged, uh, like 40, it was like 45 a year.

00:41:34.620 So still almost one a week and almost never in California.

00:41:37.740 I was on a plane.

00:41:39.280 Um, so I was doing that while I was building out the schools that I built.

00:41:45.000 Uh, I'd, so I'd be on a plane, I'd go speak somewhere and I'd be on the phone all day talking

00:41:49.380 to prospective families and I'd get home and I'd, Hey honey, how are you?

00:41:52.880 High five.

00:41:53.480 Hey kids.

00:41:53.960 High five.

00:41:54.440 And I was having breakfast with a stranger, lunch with a stranger, dinner with a stranger,

00:41:57.680 um, to build up our initial communities of the schools that we were building.

00:42:01.120 So it was a maniacal, uh, handful of years.

00:42:04.960 My wife is a, is a rock star a hundred percent.

00:42:09.060 Yeah.

00:42:09.480 I mean, it wouldn't have worked if she wasn't.

00:42:11.360 Uh, correct.

00:42:12.580 Absolutely.

00:42:13.520 But, you know, it gets back to, you know, when we're saying, what did these educators

00:42:16.940 do, they will tell you, uh, there's not going to be any change that happens from within.

00:42:25.800 I truly don't believe that.

00:42:28.060 And if there is, it's going to be a very, very, very long tail game because there's so

00:42:33.240 many levels of bureaucracy there.

00:42:34.800 There's so much control top down from the teachers unions.

00:42:37.700 Um, there's, there's just not going to be a lot of change that happens anytime soon.

00:42:42.280 So that's why we just focused on, you know what, let's just build something.

00:42:47.160 Better let's build something different.

00:42:49.260 Uh, and then let's help parents understand that if they don't have access to whatever

00:42:53.280 else we're building, that's different.

00:42:54.840 Well, then let's show them how they can actually educate at a world-class level at home.

00:43:02.180 Men, let me, uh, take a step back from the podcast very quickly.

00:43:05.480 Now, look, we've talked a lot about alternative options for raising our young men, but I would

00:43:11.280 have you consider that as a father, one of the best things that you can do.

00:43:16.180 Is to create experiences with your son.

00:43:19.780 And frankly, there's no better experience to forge powerful bonds between you and your

00:43:24.380 son.

00:43:24.800 And then also equip each of you with the tools required to usher him into manhood than our

00:43:30.220 upcoming experience legacy.

00:43:32.120 Now, when you get registered, you and your son are going to join 19 other men in the

00:43:36.900 hills, the mountains, the woods of Maine on my property, in our barn, on our property,

00:43:41.900 experiencing and enjoying everything that this has to offer.

00:43:45.520 But really at the end of the day, we're going to help you develop the mindsets and skill

00:43:49.800 sets that will help you propel him into manhood.

00:43:52.440 And then also give you, of course, the necessary tools to make that a reality.

00:43:57.220 We want both of you to develop confidence.

00:44:00.540 Uh, and that, that confidence is required for him to become a powerful sovereign man.

00:44:04.040 Like we talked about earlier.

00:44:05.040 And the order of man legacy experience is designed to do just that.

00:44:08.580 So it's going to be held on September 22nd through the 25th, uh, 2022.

00:44:14.940 And to get registered, you can head to order of man.com slash legacy.

00:44:18.860 That's order of man.com slash legacy.

00:44:21.920 Do that very, very quickly because we will sell out our spots.

00:44:25.360 There's only 20 available.

00:44:26.680 And I would love to see you out here in the hills of Maine, September 22nd through the

00:44:30.060 25th.

00:44:30.820 Again, order of man.com slash legacy, do that right away for now.

00:44:34.780 We'll get back to it with Matt.

00:44:37.360 Well, that leads into one of the other frustrations or concerns, or one of the four or five things

00:44:43.700 I hear people say, you know, when, when, when they talk about homeschooling and, and, and

00:44:51.140 home-based education is this idea of they're going to get some sort of inferior education,

00:44:59.080 and it's not going to be as, or, or even here, I guess more broadly speaking, here's what I

00:45:06.280 hear people say.

00:45:07.280 You're not qualified to teach your children the way that other school teachers or school

00:45:12.860 teachers are.

00:45:14.000 Right.

00:45:14.180 And isn't that ironic that we go through a system of schooling as in, we go through it

00:45:21.780 as students and that system of schooling leaves us feeling inadequate and unqualified to then

00:45:31.560 teach our own children.

00:45:34.100 And so then what do we do?

00:45:35.100 We turn around and we put them back in that same exact system that left us feeling unqualified

00:45:40.640 to educate our own.

00:45:42.180 Isn't that ironic?

00:45:42.980 It is, it is.

00:45:44.680 And I've heard you say that, but why?

00:45:46.000 So, okay, cool.

00:45:46.980 Why do we do that?

00:45:48.340 Because we're attached to the ideology of, of what school is.

00:45:52.120 School is a religion in this country.

00:45:53.840 We grew up going to that.

00:45:55.260 So even, even the term alternative education, right.

00:45:59.220 Is, is, uh, culturally been hijacked to mean anything that's not conveyor belt school.

00:46:05.820 I would argue.

00:46:06.800 Weird alternative education.

00:46:08.380 I hear it.

00:46:08.600 I'm like, Oh, those are the weirdos.

00:46:10.020 Those are the weirdos.

00:46:10.800 Cause that's what we grew up thinking or the, or the, or the, or they're about to go

00:46:14.340 to juvenile hall.

00:46:15.440 Right.

00:46:16.300 Right.

00:46:16.760 Exactly.

00:46:17.420 Yep.

00:46:17.660 That's what we were taught.

00:46:18.620 Right.

00:46:18.800 So we hear alternative and that's it.

00:46:20.300 The reality is since the dawn of time, humans have always learned the same way.

00:46:26.240 We learn by doing things.

00:46:29.060 We learn by experience.

00:46:30.860 We learn by working with a mentor, a master.

00:46:34.720 We will learn as an apprentice.

00:46:36.360 We learn by watching our own parents and we copy their behaviors.

00:46:39.840 We learn in all of those different ways.

00:46:42.700 And we've done it since the dawn of time.

00:46:44.980 So then in the last 120 years, all of a sudden we make this compulsory conveyor belt schooling

00:46:51.240 that nobody wanted when it was implemented by the way.

00:46:54.260 And we made it to, to funnel this vast majority of the population.

00:46:58.820 And so now since we're a generation removed from when it got implemented, we all grew up

00:47:04.140 going to it.

00:47:04.820 So it's a religion for us where we think that is what being educated means.

00:47:10.220 Explain, explain to me when you said nobody wanted it.

00:47:14.360 So my, my surface level understanding is that about the time of the industrial revolution,

00:47:20.740 we, we, we sent the men, we pulled them from the farms and we sent them into the factories,

00:47:27.300 right?

00:47:28.160 And we said, Hey, work, work here.

00:47:30.420 It's much more efficient.

00:47:31.560 And we're going to pull you out of the family system.

00:47:33.820 And I don't, I don't know that that was like a deliberate, like get the men out of the house.

00:47:37.920 I don't, I'm not going to say that I'm not going to go that far.

00:47:41.020 And then, and then we said through consumerism, we said, Hey, now ladies, let's get you in the

00:47:46.940 factories too, because the men are at war and we need you in the factories.

00:47:51.180 We need you to do the men's job because the men are out fighting and we'll go ahead and

00:47:55.540 take care of your kids.

00:47:57.340 That's a very surface level understanding of my, my knowledge of government education.

00:48:02.900 Can you backfill that a little bit for me?

00:48:05.620 Yeah.

00:48:05.760 I mean, the, you're, you're not, you're not entirely wrong.

00:48:09.460 And I will always, I will preface this too, with anybody listening to this, that wants

00:48:13.320 to dive into this further.

00:48:14.740 There's a man by the name of John Taylor Gatto, G A T T O was a brilliant human, just passed

00:48:20.840 away a couple of years ago.

00:48:22.020 And I had the pleasure of meeting him before he did.

00:48:25.300 And he was New York state teacher of the year, you know, in government schools for a couple

00:48:29.680 of years, right?

00:48:30.060 He was in that, that system for 30 plus years.

00:48:32.780 And he is the foremost educational historian this world has ever seen.

00:48:36.780 And so he, in many of his books, which you can find free as PDFs, he can lay this out

00:48:44.360 in more detail, but essentially, yes, this is a Prussian system of mass control.

00:48:50.340 John wrote a book called weapons of mass instruction.

00:48:53.300 Deliberately.

00:48:53.720 Deliberately, deliberately.

00:48:57.200 So the men that were running the, you know, your, uh, your, uh, your Rockefellers and your

00:49:02.300 Carnegie's and these guys that are running this at the time, that was exactly it.

00:49:05.740 It's like, Hey man, we can, we can essentially make a, uh, a nation of workers that are smart

00:49:10.680 enough to follow directions for us.

00:49:12.180 And what we need to have done, not so, you know, intelligent that they go, uh, get something

00:49:17.240 going.

00:49:17.680 That's, that's a little better and start to question the status quo.

00:49:20.140 Um, and, and we can bring mass compulsory schooling.

00:49:23.920 John will lay it out way better than me.

00:49:25.980 I read enough to go, cool, man.

00:49:27.800 Um, I'm out.

00:49:28.760 He has books or research papers on it.

00:49:30.760 A ton.

00:49:31.920 Yeah.

00:49:32.140 Weapons of mass instruction is phenomenal.

00:49:34.420 Uh, secret history of underground American education or something like that.

00:49:39.120 Uh, and dumbing us down, um, three phenomenal books that anybody thinking about, uh, educating

00:49:46.340 at home should read.

00:49:48.820 What was, so I got dumbing us down weapons of mass instruction.

00:49:53.100 What was the other one?

00:49:54.260 And, uh, secret, I think it's called the secret history or underground history of American

00:49:59.860 education or something like that.

00:50:01.840 Okay.

00:50:02.260 Yep.

00:50:03.080 All, all things you should read.

00:50:04.440 And he goes into the history, uh, much greater than I am.

00:50:07.360 And as soon as compulsory, you know, uh, education was, or I should say compulsory schooling was

00:50:12.960 introduced.

00:50:13.360 It was met with a lot of backlash, the farmers that, you know, people, and it was first put

00:50:18.080 in, in like Massachusetts and they were like, Oh, hell no, we don't want to do this.

00:50:22.060 That's when the start.

00:50:22.920 What, when did this start?

00:50:24.040 This was in Massachusetts you're saying, but when did this start?

00:50:26.720 Um, either late, late 1800s or early 1900s.

00:50:31.960 And it was like, no, your kids have to go to school.

00:50:35.400 Yep.

00:50:36.080 Exactly.

00:50:36.440 And they're like, the hell they do.

00:50:37.820 They need to be here with us on the farm and learning how to do things and becoming an

00:50:41.660 app, you know, I'm the neighborhood or the town blacksmith.

00:50:44.360 And, and, uh, and my boy's going to be the apprentice.

00:50:47.660 He's going to take over that business, right?

00:50:49.260 It's how we had always learned.

00:50:51.740 Of course.

00:50:52.400 Forever.

00:50:53.560 What, so what I've noticed is there seems to be a trend, not just within the country,

00:50:59.560 but also I would even say more so abroad.

00:51:02.920 Cause I've talked to plenty of guys who are like, Oh, I would love to homeschool my kids,

00:51:05.800 but I literally cannot.

00:51:07.160 It's illegal.

00:51:09.040 So what's that off here in the States?

00:51:12.540 Cause it is legal here in the States.

00:51:14.300 So what, what stave that off here?

00:51:16.880 Yeah.

00:51:17.800 What stave that off here?

00:51:19.240 I don't know.

00:51:19.740 What, like, why aren't we like, I don't know right offhand.

00:51:25.260 I'm not going to pretend I know, but like, I don't, is it, is it legal?

00:51:28.160 Is homeschooling home-based based education legal in Australia or the UK?

00:51:33.360 I don't think it is.

00:51:35.560 No, I think it's, I think it's legal in, I think it's legal in both of those.

00:51:40.720 I know it's illegal in Germany.

00:51:43.140 Um, and I, Canada, is it Canada?

00:51:46.220 Uh, Canada.

00:51:47.380 I think he's still, I think he's still can France.

00:51:51.220 I don't think you can in France.

00:51:53.360 Um, there are a few countries that have, that have eradicated it.

00:51:57.600 Um, but I, I don't pretend to know what those are.

00:52:00.600 I know that that's, I know, obviously that's not the case here in this country.

00:52:03.840 Each state has different laws, um, around that that are pretty loosely monitored.

00:52:09.600 Um, which is, yeah.

00:52:11.060 Cause all we need to do in Maine.

00:52:12.580 So, so in Maine, my children can participate in extracurricular activities through the school

00:52:18.960 district.

00:52:19.460 Yep.

00:52:20.020 Not all states will allow that.

00:52:21.580 Yep.

00:52:22.000 Right.

00:52:22.220 Uh, and also I think if I understand correctly, we need to report, uh, do an annual report on,

00:52:29.880 you know, what they learned, the curriculum loosely.

00:52:32.800 It doesn't need to be detailed, but like what we taught or something like that.

00:52:36.480 And a lot of states are roughly about the same, right?

00:52:38.480 And they, some states want you to take, you know, certain standardized tests, but usually

00:52:42.800 with a caveat of just have the test results handy in case you're ever asked for it.

00:52:47.740 Right.

00:52:47.960 And most of the time you're never, I'm not, I'm not having my children take any government

00:52:51.140 test.

00:52:51.620 Like, and so, and that's it.

00:52:53.200 So it's like each state has a little bit of, uh, of a different, you know, thing that

00:52:56.760 they're asking that they're asking for and want you to keep certain records, but at

00:53:00.560 least it's still legal.

00:53:01.800 Let's move into some solutions because a lot of people are like, they're nodding their head.

00:53:05.640 They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:06.540 Okay.

00:53:06.980 All right.

00:53:07.340 Okay.

00:53:07.740 You're beating a dead horse here.

00:53:09.000 Got it.

00:53:09.440 Check.

00:53:10.080 What are you drinking?

00:53:10.720 By the way?

00:53:11.140 What is that?

00:53:11.940 That's coffee, man.

00:53:13.600 I don't drink coffee.

00:53:15.960 I don't, you don't, huh?

00:53:17.580 Zero coffee.

00:53:20.240 Yeah.

00:53:21.080 That's weird.

00:53:21.840 Right.

00:53:22.180 I still like you, dude.

00:53:23.400 Um, yeah, I would, yeah, I'll tell you what, I've never done drugs.

00:53:27.020 Never, uh, never even had a sip of alcohol, believe it or not.

00:53:29.900 Oh, I have, I have plenty.

00:53:32.220 See, there you go.

00:53:33.020 Coffee is just not a thing for me.

00:53:34.620 Coffee is my thing, man.

00:53:35.780 Coffee is my bite.

00:53:38.080 So I'll take it.

00:53:39.080 So obviously I've been a big, a big champion and proponent of home-based education.

00:53:43.140 We've been homeschooling our children for the past three plus years.

00:53:46.680 Yeah.

00:53:47.120 They're in summer, summer break right now.

00:53:49.920 Uh, and you know, admittedly, I know not everybody's in the position to do it.

00:53:54.700 I get it.

00:53:55.200 I understood I was in that position, not now, but I was, what are some alternative methods

00:54:00.520 to government schooling outside of home-based education?

00:54:05.380 Sure.

00:54:05.600 I mean, you've got a number of different, um, private, you know, schools that are set up

00:54:12.680 as either private schools or co-ops or educational resource centers.

00:54:17.120 Um, and there are more and more coming up all the time.

00:54:19.500 Now, obviously, um, if anybody knows anything about me, I'm, I'm partial to what Acton Academy

00:54:25.380 is.

00:54:25.780 That's why I left the schools that I was running to open these specifically, you know, and that

00:54:32.120 is a global network, uh, of, uh, of entrepreneurs and parentpreneurs who are going, Hey, we know

00:54:40.200 we're not going to fix school as it is in the government.

00:54:44.100 So we're going to, we're going to band together to do something we think is vastly better.

00:54:49.320 Um, and so, and we're going to help each other in the process, you know, so we've got, um,

00:54:54.060 you know, I've got three Acton academies that I opened in particular, I've helped a number

00:54:58.300 of entrepreneurs open these all over the world.

00:55:00.200 And as a network, we're in 41 States and 26 countries.

00:55:04.760 So, you know, I always tell parents, if you want to break out and actually create something

00:55:10.960 that's a legacy for your kids and for the kids in your communities, for the young heroes

00:55:16.660 there, that is an option.

00:55:18.260 Cause it's also an option that if you run it as a business and maybe you go in and guide,

00:55:22.680 you can also replace income there, right?

00:55:25.520 You can replace a teacher income.

00:55:27.120 You can go over here, still educate kids, or you can, uh, replace an income of leave this

00:55:32.360 job over here and become the guide and the business owner over here.

00:55:35.740 Uh, and you can build a nice, you know, a nice life and replace it that way and do something

00:55:40.540 vastly better for your kids.

00:55:41.700 So I'm, I'm a fan of the Acton network, but let me hold on before you move on, before

00:55:46.740 you move on.

00:55:47.580 Um, my kids like a T a movie called it's with Eddie Murphy.

00:55:52.720 It's called daddy daycare.

00:55:54.260 Sure.

00:55:54.860 Yeah.

00:55:55.080 Have you seen it?

00:55:56.140 Uh, I don't think I've seen, I'm very familiar with it, but it's actually a pretty good, it's

00:56:00.040 a pretty good movie.

00:56:00.640 It's stupid.

00:56:01.240 Like, you know, it's a kid's show or whatever, but it's, it's pretty good.

00:56:04.300 And essentially these two guys who've like lost their jobs or whatever, just through

00:56:09.240 necessity, start a daycare and they're completely lost.

00:56:14.100 They're completely ridiculous, but then they actually build a pretty good little daycare

00:56:19.380 and everybody wants to get out of it.

00:56:20.860 Yeah.

00:56:21.340 Yeah.

00:56:21.540 Yeah.

00:56:21.820 It's a business, right?

00:56:22.960 For sure.

00:56:23.620 And so I made a post the other day that was probably a couple of months ago now.

00:56:27.820 And I said, Hey, look, if I was, if I was a school teacher, like a government school

00:56:32.040 teacher, what I would do is I would leave the school district and I would start a school

00:56:39.100 and I would charge a thousand dollars a month.

00:56:42.380 And I would pick up 10 to 20 kids and I would make 10 to 20 grand a month.

00:56:49.220 So I triple, double or triple my income.

00:56:52.480 For sure.

00:56:53.440 Almost immediately overnight.

00:56:54.880 I'd be able to create a curriculum that I knew worked.

00:56:57.940 I'd be able to have a little bit more flexibility on what I taught them.

00:57:02.940 What is there?

00:57:03.680 Is there, are there laws in place that would keep me from doing something like that?

00:57:09.600 You can.

00:57:10.420 So each state's going to be a little different, but you can absolutely do that.

00:57:13.960 You just got to know the game in your state, right?

00:57:16.260 So if you're in California, let's say I was a teacher in California and I wanted to do that.

00:57:21.780 You have got a couple of different options.

00:57:23.660 I can come out and I can start my own private school.

00:57:27.460 So I could do Matt, you know, Matt Baudreau's, Matt Baudreau's school.

00:57:31.700 And then I can enroll those kids and do exactly what you were saying, charge whatever I want

00:57:39.040 to do, do exactly what you're saying.

00:57:41.560 The caveats in California would be things like, you know, every year I would have to

00:57:47.100 take vaccination records of everybody there.

00:57:50.700 And I would have to submit those to the state and I would have to enforce anything that

00:57:54.980 the state ever introduces.

00:57:56.900 If they, if the state says, Hey, COVID vaccine mandated for any kids to go to public and private

00:58:02.460 school, I would be on the hook.

00:58:04.120 My license would be on the hook for imparting that upon everybody.

00:58:07.480 Right.

00:58:07.740 So you got to figure out, do I want to play that game?

00:58:09.980 Right.

00:58:10.480 So every state has its own game that you just have to figure out the rules of how to play.

00:58:15.840 When we launched in California and Acton, we didn't do it as an official private school.

00:58:21.400 Partially to avoid some of that, some of that nonsense.

00:58:25.540 What was it?

00:58:26.840 So it was an educational resource center, whatever you want to call it, a homeschool co-op.

00:58:33.060 Sure.

00:58:33.500 I just said, whatever is essential for the call, whatever you need to call.

00:58:36.040 That's what we are.

00:58:36.700 Yes.

00:58:36.920 We're a workplace for young people.

00:58:38.400 Like whatever you want to call it sounds good to me.

00:58:41.180 Um, but we were also able to articulate to the state that we, California has a very specific

00:58:47.640 definition of what a school is.

00:58:49.240 They say, you know, that if you are doing things, A, B, C, D, and E, you are likely a

00:58:53.280 school and need to file as a private school.

00:58:56.020 We could very clearly articulate that we didn't fit that as an Acton Academy.

00:59:00.100 We're learner led.

00:59:01.860 Um, you know, we, we don't fit this at all.

00:59:03.960 So we're not a school.

00:59:05.440 So we're just kind of a club and you can't really do anything about it.

00:59:08.720 Um, so like when they came to shut us down and, you know, March of 2020, where it's

00:59:12.160 like, yeah, thanks for coming.

00:59:13.540 Um, so, but teachers can do that in each state.

00:59:16.620 They absolutely could do that.

00:59:18.240 Just play the rules of the, you know, whatever the rules of the game are in your state and

00:59:22.340 create a small pod like that.

00:59:25.420 Um, and by the way, I met with, when I said that I would do it, parents could do that and

00:59:31.500 help other parents.

00:59:32.720 Right.

00:59:33.440 Which is more of a co-op type situation.

00:59:36.480 Sure.

00:59:36.840 But you could do the exact same thing.

00:59:39.640 Cause when I said that I was met with, well, nobody can afford a thousand dollars a month.

00:59:43.540 I'm like, well, I can.

00:59:44.960 Sure.

00:59:45.800 And I guarantee there's 20 people on that.

00:59:49.320 Listen to this podcast.

00:59:50.380 I guarantee there's 2000 people that listen to this podcast.

00:59:53.740 Absolutely.

00:59:54.420 That could do that and would want to do that.

00:59:56.820 Absolutely.

00:59:57.420 And I'll tell you what, if you would want to do that and you feel like you can't maybe

01:00:01.840 take the example of a guy who dropped, you know, his hundred thousand dollar a year

01:00:05.580 job and went down to 31,000 and you start cutting back because your kids matter that

01:00:10.020 much where you're going to cut back and prioritize that.

01:00:12.960 You know, I know that's a harsh reality too, but maybe you don't need the extra vehicle.

01:00:18.580 Maybe you don't need that vehicle that costs, you know, $800 a month.

01:00:22.580 And maybe you can go lease a Honda, you know, frigging civic do without like, I have, we

01:00:28.820 have four cars.

01:00:29.880 We have two drivers.

01:00:30.960 We have four cars.

01:00:31.800 No, we have five, excuse me, not cars.

01:00:33.960 We have five road worthy motor vehicles.

01:00:37.900 I'll say it that way.

01:00:38.880 Yep.

01:00:39.680 We don't need five.

01:00:41.160 Exactly.

01:00:41.800 We need two.

01:00:42.440 We don't even need that.

01:00:43.360 We need one actually.

01:00:45.200 Exactly.

01:00:45.800 So you make it happen.

01:00:46.980 And the problem is we have in this religion of schooling, we've been culturally trained

01:00:52.000 to think, oh, well, it should be free.

01:00:55.800 I should be able to hand my kids off to somebody else for free.

01:00:59.260 And so the thought of having to spend money rubs a lot of people the wrong way, rather

01:01:04.840 than looking at it differently and just going, man, how do I prioritize to make sure my, you

01:01:08.520 know, my young hero gets the best that he or she needs.

01:01:11.060 The thing that rubs me the wrong way is not that I have to spend money because we do, we

01:01:15.400 don't necessarily acknowledge it.

01:01:17.320 Taxes, for example.

01:01:18.720 Sure.

01:01:20.000 It's the fact that I'm paying money, but I'm not utilizing the services.

01:01:24.700 Yeah, totally.

01:01:26.180 Totally.

01:01:26.760 And there's some, what are your thoughts about school vouchers or, or choice for schooling?

01:01:30.920 I mean, I think that would be a, I think that would be a phenomenal thing everywhere.

01:01:34.960 And I get, you know, some of the arguments against, against that.

01:01:39.180 What, what are the arguments against that?

01:01:41.020 Uh, you know, a lot of it just has to do with the, uh, you know, the theoretical equity of

01:01:46.500 opportunity and saying, well, people in, um, you know, lower income areas, so what, so what

01:01:51.980 ability to get to wherever, look, look, okay.

01:01:56.660 All right.

01:01:58.240 People have been listening to this podcast enough to know that I'm about becoming a better man.

01:02:03.420 And I believe that as a member of society, that I have a moral, legal, not even legal,

01:02:12.320 just a moral and ethical responsibility to help those underprivileged.

01:02:17.200 Right.

01:02:17.600 Let's get that out of the way.

01:02:18.560 Sure.

01:02:19.360 But at the same time, why would I deny my own children opportunities because somebody else

01:02:24.500 doesn't have that opportunity?

01:02:25.640 That's crazy talk.

01:02:27.180 That would make you a bad person.

01:02:28.240 I mean, that would make me like, I'd be derelict of duty for sure.

01:02:33.760 Father, if I did that, it would make you a piece of garbage a hundred percent.

01:02:37.580 Your kids should be your number one priority.

01:02:40.420 Absolutely.

01:02:41.140 And then move on to society.

01:02:43.460 I agree a hundred percent.

01:02:45.020 Um, so no school choice would be phenomenal, um, across the board, uh, having those, having

01:02:52.580 the vouchers, you know, in some of those States that are doing, I think, uh, Nevada, um, if

01:02:57.240 you, you know, pull, I think Arizona too, you can, you can have a certain amount of, or

01:03:02.100 a certain percentage of your, uh, uh, of your taxes as a homeowner can go towards a private

01:03:09.880 school of your choice.

01:03:11.060 I think there are some States that are doing that and doing it right.

01:03:13.980 Um, and that's great.

01:03:15.080 Yeah.

01:03:15.440 And I think Nevada and Arizona are the two that come to mind, but I think it's a phenomenal

01:03:19.820 thing.

01:03:20.180 I know for a fact, Acton as well, um, is working very hard as a network to drive the cost per

01:03:27.180 student, not saying the, how much tuition costs, but the cost per student to actually own and

01:03:34.460 operate and run one, you know, trying to drive it down to somewhere between a thousand and

01:03:38.520 $1,500 per student, because per year, per month, per year, per year, as far as the cost to educate.

01:03:47.800 So then if you have a tuition, that's 10 grand, right?

01:03:51.420 15 grand.

01:03:52.260 Yeah.

01:03:52.380 You're paying overhead, but you're still profiting enough to where we can start to set up scholarship

01:03:56.620 funds and be able to go into, you know, our inner cities and help young people.

01:04:02.060 And so what you're saying, when you, you talk about tuition versus cost per educating one

01:04:08.620 student, you're talking about, let's say I wanted to have my kid go to Acton.

01:04:12.920 Yep.

01:04:13.600 So I might pay hypothetically 15 grand, for example, 10, 15 grand, but the cost per educating

01:04:19.780 my child that year is only 1500.

01:04:21.860 So 90% of my tuition would go towards paying it forward.

01:04:27.640 That's exactly right.

01:04:28.740 So you need to go to it and some of it would go towards overhead, right?

01:04:31.020 And so you got, you got to pay the people and you've got to pay, um, you know, a building

01:04:34.620 space, but the beauty of the model, the learner led model is that you've got 50 students and

01:04:41.880 50 students.

01:04:42.620 Once you have it dialed in, you really only need one, maybe two adults.

01:04:47.840 Yeah.

01:04:47.940 That sounds insane to me.

01:04:49.280 I mean, you told me that in the past and I'm like, wait a second, hold up.

01:04:52.600 I know.

01:04:53.820 Well, again, cause we've been trained like you're good schools.

01:04:56.960 You're going to have these small ratios, right?

01:04:58.580 Like one to one to 12, man, one to 15.

01:05:01.300 That's what makes a good school.

01:05:02.380 I argue that it's the other way.

01:05:03.740 I argue that the more young people you could have per, you know, one adult, the better off

01:05:10.340 you're doing, because what you're saying then is you've got systems in place and you've got

01:05:14.900 a culture in place where these young people are wildly responsible for themselves.

01:05:21.860 They have learned early a lesson that you and I both know many people don't ever learn.

01:05:27.020 And that's sovereignty and personal responsibility.

01:05:29.480 And they get it early and they're able to operate at a crazy high level without adult

01:05:37.320 interaction and interference.

01:05:39.580 But look, I'm, I'm not opposed to that idea.

01:05:42.340 I just have concerns about that idea.

01:05:45.200 What would those be?

01:05:46.840 Real life, Lord of the flies.

01:05:48.720 That's, that would be, yeah, I get it for sure.

01:05:52.580 Like, I don't want my kids like, okay.

01:05:55.200 So we're talking about ratios.

01:05:57.340 Part of the reason we pulled our children, our four children out of schooling, let's just

01:06:02.000 take one of them is that he would be in a classroom of 25 plus students.

01:06:09.480 Totally.

01:06:10.380 Minimum.

01:06:11.140 Totally.

01:06:11.460 And now we have a ratio of four students to two adults.

01:06:19.420 That's right.

01:06:20.000 That's awesome.

01:06:20.580 And I like that.

01:06:21.620 Totally.

01:06:22.300 And now you're talking about however many students to one adult.

01:06:26.740 And so I have concerns about real life, Lord of the flies scenarios here.

01:06:31.260 For sure.

01:06:32.320 And this is where you get into the difference around the systems between an acting academy

01:06:36.320 and a traditional school.

01:06:38.560 So that's not a day one scenario, one adult, 50 kids, all different ages.

01:06:46.740 Let's see what happens, right?

01:06:48.260 This is something that you work up to over time.

01:06:51.180 You build a tribe, you build a tribe around character and values.

01:06:56.020 So part of these systems, right?

01:06:58.260 Character matters.

01:06:59.680 Treating people the right way matters.

01:07:01.480 So they have contracts.

01:07:03.760 All the students have contracts that they help develop and that they sign.

01:07:08.940 And they understand that with those contracts, that means they can be, they're held accountable

01:07:14.340 to that and they're held accountable by their peers.

01:07:16.620 So if Ryan is acting like a jerk and he's going over and he's smacking Matt while Matt's

01:07:22.500 trying to get his work done, he's going over and he's, he's smacking, you know, he's

01:07:26.520 smacking Heather.

01:07:27.100 He's going over and he's smacking Vivian.

01:07:28.920 He's going, the other students can go, Hey man, contract says this, you're going to need

01:07:33.900 to stop doing that.

01:07:34.660 And there's systems in place where they can actually, uh, like a judicial system.

01:07:39.360 They can hold that guy accountable up to going, Hey man, you got to go.

01:07:42.580 The kids can kick out another kid.

01:07:44.140 If they show proof of, you know, he's, he's killing the tribe kind of deal.

01:07:49.080 And you've got mixing of ages going on as well.

01:07:53.240 So you're talking 50 kids and those 50 kids might range from five years old to 17, you

01:07:58.180 know, 16, 17, and those 15, 16, 17 year olds have a massive amount of responsibility there

01:08:03.960 too, including helping teaching and mentoring some of the young students, including maybe

01:08:11.480 they're the chef on site too, and they're cooking the meals and they're getting the meals

01:08:15.080 out every day, um, including maybe they're helping budget.

01:08:18.420 Maybe they're opening the campus.

01:08:19.720 Maybe they're answering phones.

01:08:20.880 Maybe they're giving tours.

01:08:21.980 Like they're taking on a massive amount of responsibility.

01:08:24.440 What you're essentially creating is a small little community where everybody knows I'm

01:08:29.520 responsible for some jobs here, including my own education.

01:08:34.560 So you build this microcosm of actually, uh, uh, you know, kind of how the world works, man.

01:08:39.360 It's a vastly different thing.

01:08:40.660 When you do that, it's a different story.

01:08:42.840 What would you, so act in a cat.

01:08:45.400 So, all right, like, let's, let's scale that for a second.

01:08:49.460 When we're talking about alternative education, we have, we have home-based education, which

01:08:53.980 is what we do personally.

01:08:55.000 Right.

01:08:55.380 Yep.

01:08:55.980 Uh, we have co-ops, which would be like, and I think this is co-ops is actually a good

01:09:00.580 alternative for those who might have two parent, two income households where maybe you can't

01:09:07.260 go from two to one, but you can go from two to one and a half.

01:09:10.520 Sure.

01:09:11.300 Yeah.

01:09:11.500 And so you enlist other people in the community.

01:09:13.600 For sure.

01:09:14.120 Or what you do, what I've helped a lot of, uh, families and communities do, right.

01:09:17.960 Is they've got, um, you know, five or six families that are relatively close and all

01:09:23.720 want to do this.

01:09:25.160 They all are, are, you know, everybody works, right.

01:09:28.020 Mom and dad works in all five or six of these homes, but their schedules, uh, don't necessarily

01:09:34.420 overlap.

01:09:35.060 Somebody's got Tuesday off.

01:09:36.020 Somebody has Wednesday off.

01:09:36.860 Somebody has Thursday off.

01:09:37.700 Right.

01:09:37.860 And they're able to rotate homes, um, and each kind of take a responsibility for overseeing.

01:09:43.000 Right.

01:09:43.360 And so then they come together on that.

01:09:44.980 The hardest part on, on a co-op like that, cause I think that's a brilliant idea.

01:09:49.040 I think that's a wonderful way to do it.

01:09:51.080 Um, the hardest part or the, the things that I've seen tear co-ops apart is that, well,

01:09:56.460 the Baudreau's want to do it this specific way.

01:09:58.520 The Mickler's want to do it this specific way.

01:10:00.320 The Lovell's want to do it this specific way.

01:10:02.200 And not everybody fully agrees on the way everybody wants to do it.

01:10:05.200 Right.

01:10:05.340 So you got to get some cohesion to start.

01:10:08.900 Um, but that's a great way to do it is a co-op like that.

01:10:11.680 There's also the concern there's the risk, you know, and, and I'm just going to use you

01:10:16.600 as an example.

01:10:17.300 I don't believe this for a second, but if I send my children to you, there is a risk of

01:10:21.700 abuse, of course, mental, emotional, physical, sexual, again, I'm not putting that on you

01:10:26.940 at all.

01:10:27.180 I'm just using that as an example.

01:10:28.660 A hundred percent.

01:10:29.880 And so people will be like, well, what about that?

01:10:31.460 Well, you have the same risk at government schooling.

01:10:33.940 Oh, you got more risk at government schooling.

01:10:38.020 You're choosing who to collaborate with in this scenario, right?

01:10:42.520 I'm not advocating for, you know, just going down the phone book and picking every John

01:10:46.700 Dick and Sally, just going, man, let's throw our kids together.

01:10:49.640 We're abso-freaking-lutely not, that wouldn't happen, but I'll tell you what, you get all

01:10:53.620 those guys, um, you know, all those guys we went down to, to Mexico with and had all

01:10:59.000 our kids together.

01:11:00.560 Yeah.

01:11:00.920 You're not concerned about that in a heartbeat piece of cake, right?

01:11:04.240 I'm not worried about it.

01:11:05.000 So yeah, we'd be conscientious about that.

01:11:07.160 So you have co-ops, you have private, you have monastery.

01:11:09.740 These are things, what is the monastery?

01:11:12.140 Like, I'm not totally familiar with that system.

01:11:14.560 What does that entail?

01:11:15.840 Yeah, Montessori is very similar to, very similar to Acton Academy, as long as it is

01:11:21.660 not, and Acton can be too, as long as it's not bastardized.

01:11:25.360 A lot of people use the Montessori name and don't necessarily-

01:11:28.100 I even said it wrong.

01:11:28.860 I said Montessori, but it's Montessori.

01:11:30.020 Oh, that's all right.

01:11:30.920 That's how little I know about it.

01:11:32.260 So what is the Montessori system?

01:11:34.060 Yeah.

01:11:34.360 So that's based on Maria Montessori was, uh, was the lady's name.

01:11:37.740 And so that's very much a learner led methodology too.

01:11:41.220 So the, the basic premise there, and it's phenomenal, especially on the younger ages.

01:11:47.600 Um, the, the whole idea is that children have very, very important work to do.

01:11:53.960 They're going to learn through doing this work, which a lot of times is just play, but they'll

01:11:59.600 call it jobs.

01:12:00.820 And they're very big on setting up the environment for learning.

01:12:05.760 So you'll have all of these games.

01:12:07.740 You'll have all of these, um, puzzles.

01:12:10.120 You'll have all of these opportunities to, you know, have animals on site.

01:12:13.860 You'll have all of these opportunities, but nothing is going to be forced.

01:12:18.180 Um, you might have some station rotations and things like that, but you will have the

01:12:21.840 choice, um, to engage in this community and take on your, as many jobs as you want to

01:12:27.600 take on.

01:12:28.520 Um, and then there's all the social, emotional, and character, um, kind of development there.

01:12:32.640 So it's very much a learner led environment.

01:12:35.420 Acton is very much that way too, just as they get older, they take on, I would say, arguably

01:12:42.820 even more responsibility as well as starting businesses.

01:12:47.080 Um, you know, exactly, man.

01:12:51.020 Internships, apprenticeships, um, all that kind of stuff too, but Montessori is great.

01:12:55.020 What are your thoughts on pure apprenticeships?

01:12:58.760 Like, for example, if I have, um, you know, one of my children, for example, is very interested

01:13:03.780 in, you know, blacksmithing is of course the ancient apprenticeship we think of, but whether

01:13:08.560 it's dentistry, which actually dentistry, even though you do have to go through, uh, dental

01:13:14.220 school, there is a lot of apprenticeship components to the dental, even medical community.

01:13:22.200 There very much is.

01:13:23.940 And kind of touching on something we, we kind of hit earlier.

01:13:26.280 I don't know the ins and outs of how this works, but I was told by a friend of mine,

01:13:32.120 um, who is a lawyer in California that you can become a lawyer going through it more of

01:13:37.760 an apprenticeship route and then taking the bar and not actually going to law school, which

01:13:42.860 I had no idea how that works.

01:13:44.480 And I don't know if that's the case for all different types of law.

01:13:46.780 I don't know, but I know that there's-

01:13:48.200 Reminds me if, um, what is it?

01:13:50.120 Frank Abagnale, Abagnale or Abagnale-

01:13:52.560 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:53.120 Catch me if you can.

01:13:54.360 Yeah, totally.

01:13:55.200 Yeah.

01:13:55.480 Like he didn't go through a lot.

01:13:57.240 I got to hear him speak.

01:13:58.620 You did.

01:13:59.460 So I think he passed the bar.

01:14:02.660 Yeah.

01:14:03.520 Without going through law school.

01:14:04.940 Without going through law school.

01:14:06.180 Totally.

01:14:07.000 Yeah.

01:14:07.280 So you can, apparently you can do that in apprenticeship kind of model.

01:14:09.960 I think personally, that is the way to go.

01:14:12.780 Um, if, if you're able to do something like that as early as humanly possible, that's exactly

01:14:19.480 what, that's exactly what you do.

01:14:21.600 Um, I was just talking to one of our, our mentees from the Apogee strong program earlier

01:14:25.860 today.

01:14:26.600 Um, and he's 16, um, brilliant young man.

01:14:29.760 And they're moving to, uh, Florida.

01:14:32.620 They're in Pennsylvania right now, moving to Florida.

01:14:34.800 Um, and that's his whole, that's his whole goal is he's seeking out.

01:14:38.520 We, we're working with him on a very specific way to, um, try to contact and meet and go

01:14:45.080 provide value to a number of people who are in his chosen field so that he can get a foot

01:14:51.080 in the door with an apprenticeship and then just provide enough value to work his way into,

01:14:55.760 um, into that field.

01:14:57.660 It's wildly successful doing that.

01:15:01.420 Uh, and by the way, there's an organization called Praxis, P-R-A-X-I-S.

01:15:07.020 And it's discoverpraxis.com.

01:15:09.580 And I don't have anything to do with them other than they're, uh, have become friends.

01:15:13.820 Um, but, uh, their entire post high school model is based on that.

01:15:21.220 You do six months of a bootcamp where you're learning transferable skills, blogging and

01:15:26.960 copywriting and, um, you know, creating a website and app development and just some things that

01:15:32.020 are just general skills that can help a lot of people.

01:15:34.440 And then you interview and you go work for somebody for six months, full-time you get

01:15:42.760 paid at least, you know, minimum wage or whatever.

01:15:46.120 Yeah.

01:15:46.320 It's like, I think it's like a $14 cause they want it to be to where you come out of the

01:15:50.260 program debt debt-free.

01:15:51.960 So it's whatever the cost is of the program.

01:15:54.060 You have to make at least that much, but it's like 14 bucks an hour minimum.

01:15:57.160 Um, and you work for them for six months doing whatever it is they want them to do.

01:16:01.640 And like 94% of those guys are rolling right into a full-time career.

01:16:05.460 And I think average starting salary is like 52 grand.

01:16:08.620 So are they, I got to ask, are they looking for employers to hire?

01:16:13.520 Cause I'm actually interested in that.

01:16:15.440 Yeah.

01:16:15.660 A hundred percent.

01:16:16.720 Uh, yeah, yeah.

01:16:17.880 They'll, they'll partner with employers all the time.

01:16:20.100 And that's part of kind of like, we're going to build out something semi-similar with Apogee

01:16:24.340 and Apogee U, um, and very much so.

01:16:27.300 Yeah, absolutely.

01:16:28.120 So I can hook you up with them.

01:16:29.280 You'd get to interview a whole bunch of them.

01:16:30.980 Whatever.

01:16:31.500 I mean, I know I've hired two, I've hired two people from Braxis.

01:16:34.920 That's awesome.

01:16:35.800 They've been phenomenal.

01:16:36.680 You know what I'm waiting for is I'm, I'm just waiting for like real life Hogwarts.

01:16:40.620 You know, I'm not a, I'm not a nerd by any stretch of the imagination, but like if

01:16:44.240 I could go to Hogwarts, I would definitely go.

01:16:46.080 A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

01:16:49.020 Did we talk?

01:16:49.680 And I, you know, I'm the same as you, man.

01:16:51.360 I don't even, I don't even know if I've read all the, I don't think I've read it.

01:16:55.140 I haven't read any, I haven't read a word.

01:16:56.800 I haven't even cracked one of those books.

01:16:58.300 I think I got partway through something.

01:17:00.040 Cause I want to see what the hype was about through like first chapter.

01:17:02.200 And I was like, dude, I just can't not my, not my style, but, um, I love the concept

01:17:07.860 of that.

01:17:08.280 And that's, you know, that's kind of what we take when we're building out, um, experiences

01:17:14.460 and projects and things like that to give to either Acton Academy owners who are, or

01:17:19.540 launching something for the students or homeschool families, you know, cause I get it all the

01:17:25.260 time, which I'm sure you do too, is man, I'm going to homeschool.

01:17:28.400 No idea how to do it.

01:17:29.900 Where do I start?

01:17:30.760 Um, and so we teach families how to build out projects like that, where you're recreating,

01:17:39.560 you know, part of your houses becomes Hogwarts and your kids become Harry Potter for that

01:17:44.100 amount of time.

01:17:44.700 They go take on these adventures, right.

01:17:46.880 And in the process of them taking on these adventures, they learn and they learn to a

01:17:51.800 high degree and we can build a world-class education around things like that.

01:17:55.660 It's so easy.

01:17:57.120 I think parents often overlook it because we, we place some government educate, the educational

01:18:04.420 program on a pedestal.

01:18:06.240 It doesn't belong.

01:18:07.620 And when I, so a little anecdote, when my wife and I started home-based education with

01:18:13.500 our kids, it was the first day.

01:18:17.600 And my wife came upstairs.

01:18:19.500 It was probably, I don't know, one, two o'clock in the afternoon.

01:18:22.140 Yeah.

01:18:22.720 And she's like, Hey, we're done.

01:18:24.120 And I'm like, Oh, cool.

01:18:25.060 You're going to take like a lunch break or whatever, a recess.

01:18:28.060 Yeah.

01:18:28.440 Right.

01:18:28.640 She's like, she's like, no, no, no, we're done.

01:18:31.620 Right.

01:18:31.940 And I was like, no, no, how could that be?

01:18:34.760 And she's like, I don't know.

01:18:35.880 Maybe we're doing it wrong.

01:18:36.920 And I said, well, show me like, what did you guys do?

01:18:38.980 And she showed me, well, that looks like good.

01:18:40.820 Like, I don't know.

01:18:42.520 It's just amazing how efficient it is.

01:18:44.780 And then there was one other example.

01:18:46.980 And I think this happened either on day one, it was between day one and day five.

01:18:51.700 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 So they went outside and we've got some property out here and I'm up here doing my work and

01:18:58.040 they come back and I hear them cause I can hear them downstairs and I go downstairs and

01:19:01.460 I'm like, Hey, what, you know, what are you, you guys are excited.

01:19:03.200 What are you guys doing?

01:19:04.020 And they had caught this frog and they had it like they had put it in a jar.

01:19:08.400 It was out in the field or in the Creek or whatever.

01:19:10.040 And they, they caught this frog and they put it in a jar and I'm like, Oh, sweet.

01:19:13.960 So they showed it to me.

01:19:14.680 I'm like, that's an awesome frog.

01:19:15.880 Are you going to name it?

01:19:16.420 They're like, dad, it isn't a frog.

01:19:19.180 And they all started laughing amongst each other.

01:19:21.760 Yeah.

01:19:22.280 And I'm like, what's the joke?

01:19:23.840 Like, what's funny?

01:19:24.680 I don't like, it's a frog.

01:19:26.160 They're like, you're such an idiot.

01:19:28.360 Dad has done a frog.

01:19:29.680 It's a toad.

01:19:30.900 It's a toad.

01:19:31.840 And I was like, say, what's the difference between a frog and a toad?

01:19:36.640 And they're like, well, let us show you.

01:19:38.800 And they had printed three or four pages on the distinct differences between toads and frogs.

01:19:45.780 And I was like, got it.

01:19:48.100 This is awesome.

01:19:49.400 I get it.

01:19:50.480 Almost instantaneously.

01:19:51.840 I got it.

01:19:52.840 A hundred percent.

01:19:53.520 And the amount of you, you're right.

01:19:55.200 We like to add layers and it's a human, it's a, it's a default in the human condition where we think

01:20:00.420 good things have to be overly complex, right?

01:20:03.980 And world-class things have to be overly complex.

01:20:07.480 And it's, it's not, it is not the case at all.

01:20:12.780 Simplicity is the mark of a, of a true genius, right?

01:20:17.040 You can take something and you can simplify it down.

01:20:19.440 And that's so easy to do, man.

01:20:21.620 And so John Taylor Gatto, again, I remember speaking with him and he said, you know,

01:20:25.780 most young people could go from, once they're ready for it, once their minds were ready for it,

01:20:35.380 they could go from never having really done anything with numbers other than just whatever

01:20:40.500 they're exposed to, you know, just in day-to-day life to wildly proficient in at least algebra.

01:20:47.880 And they could do so in 50 to a hundred hours total.

01:20:54.580 So a week, a week to two weeks, three weeks, maybe tops.

01:20:59.480 Right.

01:20:59.920 If you're doing, you know, however many hours a day.

01:21:02.260 Right.

01:21:03.480 So why are we spending theoretically years, right?

01:21:07.580 It's a massive, there's a massive inefficiency that is taking place and it's taking, you know,

01:21:13.700 again, it's, it's, uh, it's to the detriment of our kids and another, you know, it brings

01:21:19.240 me back to another one of my mentors, uh, Seth, are you Seth Godin?

01:21:22.920 You know, Seth, I know, I don't know him personally, but I know of Seth.

01:21:25.940 So one of my favorite humans on the planet and, um, and really reading his, he's got a

01:21:31.620 manifesto called stop stealing dreams, um, that he wrote.

01:21:35.240 That's all, all about education.

01:21:36.820 And I read it in the part, I was a school administrator at a private school.

01:21:41.100 I was, I had started to do all the keynotes I had learned about acting and I was like,

01:21:44.960 man, I think I'm going to go start my own thing, but I'm not really sure.

01:21:47.740 And I sat and read his manifesto in the parking lot of the school.

01:21:51.860 And, uh, the very next day I came in and I was like, Hey guys, I'm going to finish out

01:21:55.440 this year, but then I'm going to go build my own school.

01:21:57.200 I told the rest of my team.

01:21:58.320 I was like, all right, man, I'm, I'm out that day.

01:22:02.220 And, uh, and I've, I got to tell, you know, I've gotten to tell Seth that story, which

01:22:06.540 was, um, something that was, you know, one of my only bucket list things.

01:22:09.660 Um, and he always brings back to the question.

01:22:12.940 He did so in the manifesto and he did so in a number of our conversations, he says, you

01:22:16.460 know, we just have to keep going back.

01:22:18.020 What should education be for?

01:22:20.560 What should it be for?

01:22:22.720 And the reality is it's like raising kids, right?

01:22:25.140 What do we do?

01:22:25.680 What should it be for?

01:22:26.680 We should be raising sovereign, free, independent, character driven, resilient human beings.

01:22:36.300 And if we're putting them in a system that is not building that we are doing them a disservice.

01:22:44.420 That's what education should be for.

01:22:46.800 And there's no better place to do it than, you know, I always tell people like, okay,

01:22:50.920 if you had to pick, what is it?

01:22:51.820 I'm like, it's either act in our homes or home educate.

01:22:54.480 And I don't necessarily put one before the other.

01:22:57.280 Um, but in my mind, those are your two best options, period.

01:23:01.180 End of story.

01:23:02.480 Well, brother, I appreciate it, man.

01:23:03.920 Um, I think we're going to have to run this back.

01:23:07.040 There's, there's so many more.

01:23:08.820 You saw it.

01:23:09.580 I showed this.

01:23:10.160 I held this up to you.

01:23:10.860 I'm like, man, I don't, I don't come with any notes and I've got notes.

01:23:14.480 You can't see it.

01:23:15.720 There you go.

01:23:16.100 Notes, notes.

01:23:17.700 I started another page right here.

01:23:19.920 So I think we're going to have to run this back and do this again.

01:23:22.680 Cause this stuff's really important to me.

01:23:24.160 This is very, very crucial for, for me and the mission of what we're doing here.

01:23:27.640 So it's absolutely crucial, man.

01:23:29.520 Like you said, you know, if we, if we're on this mission to build better men, then why

01:23:35.680 don't we start with the young among us?

01:23:37.340 And that's men and women, right?

01:23:38.460 Start with the young among us, make sure the foundation is strong.

01:23:41.800 It's like, we want to skip over the foundation and just, you know, no, man, that's, that's

01:23:45.740 where it starts.

01:23:46.260 So couldn't agree more.

01:23:47.820 Well, tell us how to connect with you.

01:23:49.300 Learn more about acting or you personally, what you're doing.

01:23:52.100 What's the best way to connect?

01:23:53.460 Thanks, man.

01:23:54.060 I appreciate it.

01:23:54.660 Yeah, I'm probably most active on, on IG, you know, I met my name, but, you know, check

01:24:00.680 out Apogee program on Instagram too.

01:24:02.520 You can go to apogeestrong.com, go to actonacademy.org or somebody wants to get ahold of me directly.

01:24:07.780 Just Matt at Apogee strong is the best email.

01:24:10.320 Glad to connect.

01:24:10.880 Glad to help.

01:24:12.080 Right on brother.

01:24:12.600 Appreciate you.

01:24:13.280 I appreciate our friendship and I know our kids are friends and to see the joke between

01:24:17.860 us is, you know, your, your daughter, I think didn't want anything to do with playing

01:24:22.160 catch or something like that.

01:24:23.460 And then she meets my son and she's like, I'm playing catch, you know, and I'm like,

01:24:28.040 I'm proud of that.

01:24:29.000 And you're like, yeah, I don't know if that's cool.

01:24:32.520 Absolutely, man.

01:24:33.380 But I'll tell you what, if it's, uh, if she's going to have to start going, boys are interesting.

01:24:38.440 Um, I at least want it to be a solid young man.

01:24:40.580 And then you definitely have a couple of them in.

01:24:42.440 So you got three of them in fact.

01:24:44.320 So yeah, man, the honor is mine.

01:24:46.240 I appreciate it.

01:24:47.100 Love you, brother.

01:24:47.820 Um, thanks for joining us.

01:24:49.320 Appreciate the opportunity to talk with you about it.

01:24:51.200 All right, gentlemen, there you go.

01:24:54.020 My conversation with the one and only Matt Boudreau.

01:24:56.820 I hope you enjoyed it.

01:24:58.160 I hope it was enlightening.

01:24:59.440 I hope you learned something new and I hope you're considering that maybe there's some

01:25:02.440 alternatives to the traditional.

01:25:05.000 Well, what we would say is the traditional schooling model that most of us think of,

01:25:09.040 because there are alternatives and we ought to start exploring those alternatives.

01:25:14.460 The government schooling system is dangerous.

01:25:17.580 It's becoming more so.

01:25:19.420 And I don't want any more of our young men and women to be indoctrinated into dangerous

01:25:24.240 and destructive ideology.

01:25:26.200 So check it out.

01:25:28.700 Take a look at what Matt's doing.

01:25:30.220 Look at homeschooling.

01:25:31.360 Look at alternative options.

01:25:32.580 Look at Acton.

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MATT BEAUDREAU ｜ The Clear Path to Alternative Education

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