Order of Man - MIKE GLOVER ｜ American Contingency

00:00:00.000 Gents, there's no question that America is in turmoil right now between nationwide shortages

00:00:04.700 of supplies, the unpopularity of our current president, the reaction and subsequent fallout

00:00:10.000 of COVID and the extreme polarity among so many of us. It's clear that we're likely to face some

00:00:15.640 challenging times ahead. The questions that remain are, are you ready? And will you be able to

00:00:21.420 protect, provide and preside over you and yours when that time arises? That's exactly why I've

00:00:27.140 been looking forward to the conversation with my guest today, Mike Glover with Fieldcraft

00:00:31.180 Survival and American Contingency. Today we talk about building the next generation of

00:00:36.560 warriors, the importance of service to community, the degradation and destruction of the family

00:00:42.160 unit, endless wars, the turmoil in Afghanistan, which frankly, most of us have already forgotten

00:00:48.800 and ultimately how to be a man in and for your community. You're a man of action. You live

00:00:54.640 life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks

00:00:59.300 you down, you get back up one more time. Every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated,

00:01:05.460 rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become

00:01:12.000 at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:17.640 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I am the host and the founder

00:01:21.800 of the Order of Man podcast and movement. Welcome here. Welcome back. It's clear to me that we've

00:01:26.680 got a lot of work to do and I'm so honored that you're going to join and band with us. So many of

00:01:31.480 you already have. And those of you who tuning in for the first time, I hope you will band with us

00:01:36.140 as well in this mission to reclaim and restore masculinity. Guys, we're just coming off the back

00:01:40.420 of our incredible event called the main event where we had a hundred men come here to my farm here

00:01:46.420 in Maine and just spend some time three days, getting to know each other, building some camaraderie,

00:01:52.640 building some accountability and really working to improve ourselves as men. We've got an event

00:01:58.660 coming up in 2022. That's Columbus day weekend. Yes. I still say Columbus day. I will always say

00:02:05.640 Columbus day. That's going to be on Columbus day weekend in 2022, which if I understand correctly

00:02:12.320 without having my calendar in front of me is October 7th through the 9th, 2022, I've only got

00:02:18.440 about 20 spots left because we've got 80 of those spots already filled. If you're interested in knowing

00:02:23.400 more about what we're doing there, you can go to order a man.com slash main event and check out what

00:02:29.680 we did here at the event. And then also lock in one of your 20 spots for Columbus day weekend,

00:02:35.900 October, 2022. All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to my guest today. A lot of you

00:02:42.940 guys, I know because this is one of my most requested guests are familiar with the one and only Mike

00:02:49.300 Glover. He's the founder of field craft survival and American contingency. But not only that, Mike is

00:02:55.500 an 18 year U S army green beret veteran and CA contractor. Uh, he's an expert in counter-terrorism,

00:03:03.800 security, crisis management operations. Uh, he's also an avid outdoorsman hunter and the host of

00:03:10.680 the field craft survival podcast, where he teaches real world applicable skills. And a lot of those

00:03:16.540 skills he talks about today in our podcasts for surviving, whatever life has to throw at you and

00:03:21.480 me, gentlemen, you are going to enjoy the hell out of this conversation, this podcast. And I know

00:03:26.780 you're going to walk away with some actionable practical tips and strategies for protecting you and

00:03:31.720 yours. Mike, what's up, man? It's good to see you. See, I see you representing a black rifle. I've got

00:03:38.460 my black rifle hat on today too. So we're, uh, we're in good company with those guys.

00:03:43.320 Yeah. Always. It's either BRCC or field craft. So good. Well, you know, like you got to represent

00:03:49.220 your own brand too, right? Like it's good to help friends, but you got to promote what you're doing

00:03:52.980 as well. So I, and, and I admire what you guys are doing field craft as well. You guys are doing

00:03:57.200 incredible things and it's much needed in society. That's for sure. Yeah. I appreciate that, man.

00:04:01.740 Yeah. We're doing our best. I think it's, uh, it's an everyday grind for us, but it's, uh,

00:04:07.320 all good problems to have. Yeah. One of the things I admire about what you're doing is I know we've,

00:04:12.980 we've played a little back and forth trying to get together and Evan Hafer with black rifle

00:04:16.960 introduced us. And, and of course I'm familiar with Jocko. He's been on the podcast and Tim Kennedy

00:04:22.240 and all these guys that you run around with. Uh, one of the things I was going to say,

00:04:26.120 I admire about what you're doing is you're, you're putting your money where your mouth is.

00:04:29.720 You know, there's a lot of guys on there who, who are talking about how to be a good man and

00:04:33.980 how to be a protector and how to do all these things we talk about doing. But I know you've

00:04:38.660 been busy specifically in Afghanistan. Is that right? Is that, is that kind of consumed you over

00:04:43.280 the past what month or so now? Yeah, man, it has. And I, it, it's sad to even say it out loud that

00:04:50.100 I'm just, I I've been super disappointed day after day, even last night. I mean, it's,

00:04:56.120 such a difficult circumstance. And, uh, I'm on the board of advisors for Tim Kennedy and Chad

00:05:02.360 Roboshaw's organization, um, called saber allies on saber allies.org. Um, this organization has been

00:05:10.380 doing real help. Like, um, they've caught some, they caught some flack for it initially. Um,

00:05:16.820 because people didn't understand what, what the actual organization was about, but yeah,

00:05:21.960 it's been a constant struggle. Um, was going to go to Dubai last week. Um, was going to go to

00:05:28.320 Tajikistan, uh, the week prior, but there's a whole bunch of hiccups along the way and trying to get

00:05:33.740 Afghan and even American citizens out of Afghanistan. It's drama for sure, man.

00:05:38.520 Yeah. It's hard because what I see from the outside looking in is, I mean, just a big mess.

00:05:45.440 That's, that's the best way I can put it. And it doesn't do it justice. I'm sure,

00:05:49.080 but I don't know what to believe, you know, like I see what you guys are doing and what Tim Kennedy

00:05:53.340 is doing. And of course, because I know Tim personally, I admire and respect what you guys

00:05:58.100 are trying to accomplish. And then there's the narrative that's being pushed. And then I think

00:06:02.320 I saw a report the other day that said something like, I can't remember I'm paraphrasing, but, uh,

00:06:07.960 maybe it, it, it, it's Congress or there's some sort of, uh, intelligence agency that's actually

00:06:13.380 doing an investigation on what Tim Kennedy is doing. It's, it's wild. It's, I don't,

00:06:17.320 I just don't know what to believe anymore. And that's very, very frustrating.

00:06:20.880 Yeah. In a nutshell, man, I just like, you know, I used to work for the CIA,

00:06:25.240 used to work in the military and I have a, a really good grasp of how these things work.

00:06:31.720 You know, I've planned neo evacuations of non-combatant civilians in, in Africa and in

00:06:38.700 real world operations. I've, I planned, I, I personally planned and was in charge of the

00:06:43.720 neo evacuation for the American citizens in Mali. And, and so one of the big concerns is how this

00:06:52.620 transpired with no, uh, responsibility to bear is creating, is going to create a trend and a pattern

00:07:00.180 of continuing to make these same mistakes. So one of the things that happened, which kind of was the

00:07:06.080 trigger for this was the military was directed to hand over the neo evacuation to the state department

00:07:12.180 and the state department can't even plan a lunch banquet in a foreign country, let alone a neo

00:07:19.120 evacuation of American citizens and Afghan partners in this case, which is a more complex military

00:07:24.920 operation. So from the onset, it was, it was leading up to a tipping point that catastrophically

00:07:32.940 snowballed into everything that you're saying today. And the, and the, the biggest problem is when

00:07:37.480 we pulled out and disconnected, we don't have immigration, we don't have a protocol, we don't

00:07:43.460 have an embassy. And so all of the things that we normally would do diplomatically to get our guys

00:07:48.820 out, um, even after the fact, which the state department said, said, we're going to continue

00:07:53.860 to work with the Taliban to get our guys out. That's not void now. And you, I mean, you're, you're

00:07:59.460 negotiating essentially with a terrorist organization. And a lot of the groups that have been able to get

00:08:04.660 guys out have literally paid ransoms essentially to the Taliban to get guys out. And so I know the

00:08:12.420 department of justice was in, is investigating just like they are domestic terrorism, where that's

00:08:17.360 their number one focus, not Islamic terrorism. We've been fighting for the last 20 years,

00:08:20.840 but domestic terrorism. And they're looking into these nonprofits who by all accounts, from my

00:08:28.520 experiences and working with about five or six of them in the last 30 days have all been doing the

00:08:34.820 right thing. Um, now is there fraud, waste and abuse? I'm sure it's called bureaucracy, but, um,

00:08:40.700 I I've seen only good things from the private sector, trying to help Afghans get out. It's, it's been,

00:08:46.240 it's been a rollercoaster ride for sure.

00:08:48.660 So what, let me make sure I wrap my head around this. What you're saying is that the justice department

00:08:53.260 is coming after these private entities because that are quote unquote funding terrorism because

00:08:59.000 they're paying to get civilians out. Am I understanding that correctly?

00:09:02.480 Yeah, there's a couple, I mean, this is all hearsay, obviously. Um, the hearsay is the DOJ.

00:09:09.680 Um, and this is somebody who was there in with the government. And during these meetings,

00:09:13.220 the, the DOJ has put out that they're going to investigate specific nonprofits,

00:09:18.700 501 C3s that have collected money and given money to the Taliban, including in the, uh, a case in

00:09:27.920 which $50 million was given to get, uh, which was humanitarian aid to get an airplane off the

00:09:34.700 ground full of girls. Now, at this point, the private sector is doing everything they can possibly

00:09:41.820 to make this happen because the, the, the, um, the alternative is death, sex trafficking,

00:09:49.900 hostage taking, um, you know, obviously, uh, rape and murder. And so they're doing everything they

00:09:56.360 can. And so I would say if the government, which has negotiated from the onset, including giving them

00:10:02.800 the outer perimeter, um, that allowed an ISIS K member to come through during a suicide attack

00:10:08.660 and kill 13 Americans, 13 service members, and 160 plus Afghans, um, they're negotiating with

00:10:16.720 terrorism, uh, terrorists right now. And so for them to make this happen and for the government

00:10:23.660 to waste taxpayers' dollars to do these kinds of federal investigations, one, I'm not surprised

00:10:29.540 at this point based on what's happening in the government, but it's disappointing for sure.

00:10:33.000 Are, are you concerned? And I'm going to use this term just because I, I, I don't know. I mean,

00:10:39.720 I take your word for it for sure, because of who you run with and that reputation you have, but

00:10:43.800 are you concerned about making these types of accusations and how does that come back to you?

00:10:51.120 Uh, is there any sort of pushback on you or challenges that you might personally be dealing with?

00:10:56.340 Yeah, I, I think, you know, that's a good question. And, and, uh, in full transparency,

00:11:01.140 I've already, I'm already on the list. You know what I mean? Like I'm already an HVT according to

00:11:06.900 the federal government, likely. I mean, here, let me give you a snapshot of this. When I was a

00:11:12.320 government contractor for the CIA, I was a direct hire, which means I worked directly for the central

00:11:18.600 intelligence agency. And so when I used to travel CONUS, because at the same time I was a sergeant

00:11:24.820 major in 19th group, when I used to travel CONUS in between flying between, um, uh, Texas where I

00:11:32.120 was stationed at and anywhere else in the U S I would get flagged with all, I believe it's all

00:11:37.720 zeros or all ones. There'd be like four ones. You're saying in privately when you, when you

00:11:43.520 travel privately, is that what you're saying? Yeah. Commercial, not, uh, uh, no, no government

00:11:49.300 business, but in one case I was traveling to do, uh, an actual, um, command and control

00:11:55.540 staff briefing. And I had my military uniform with me and I got this scanned. It happens when

00:12:02.500 they check your ticket, they scan it and it comes up with all ones or one zero, all zeros. I can't

00:12:07.080 remember, but they pull you into secondary. Now getting pulled into secondary is a normal thing

00:12:13.180 in a foreign country when foreign service officials or officers are trying to interrogate you.

00:12:19.300 So TSA was pulling me and doing a secondary, uh, search, including a strip shirt search,

00:12:28.000 which I went through before and secondary questioning. And one case I had my, uh, my,

00:12:34.120 my suitcase with me. I opened it up in my military uniform, uh, had it folded up nice and neat.

00:12:41.180 And I had an exposed was my unit insignia. So it said special forces tab, ranger tab, airborne tab,

00:12:47.420 and then my unit insignia. And the guy who's interviewed, or, um, I guess essentially

00:12:52.240 interrogating me, he's like, Hey, why do you have a military uniform? And I went, you, you have my

00:12:57.780 military ID card that says Sergeant major E nine in your hand, look at your hand. And then he looks

00:13:03.860 at the hand and he goes, yeah, but where are you traveling to? I'm, I'm traveling to go do drill

00:13:08.560 for business. And then I'm like, dude, let me, let me advise you on something.

00:13:12.800 One, I got flagged into secondary. I work for the central intelligence agency and I work for

00:13:18.700 the military. Where's your supervisor and boss, bring them in here. So they, I brought,

00:13:23.360 and this is probably the six or seven time this happened. So this guy, we build rapport.

00:13:29.260 He'd make some phone calls and come to find out because I was traveling overseas to Yemen,

00:13:34.740 Pakistan, all these great, uh, tourism locations. They put me a list, but because the two hands don't

00:13:41.280 talk to each other, they had me flagged as being on a terrorist watch list. So the incompetency of

00:13:47.880 the government in all ways, I mean, I've, I've experienced this in, in Libya, in Benghazi,

00:13:52.720 I experienced this in my military career. Um, that's the thing, that's the kind of things you deal

00:13:57.680 with. So in this case, I mean, when I started American contingency, a organization that pulled

00:14:05.000 American resources together in communities to be able to defend and protect themselves by leveraging

00:14:12.580 networks, we were went after as a, a white supremacist organization, like literally a guy

00:14:19.140 did an article from a, I mean, it's a leftist organization calling me a white supremacist

00:14:24.760 and I'm half Asian. I'm Asian American. Um, and then he called me a alt right, uh, right-wing

00:14:32.340 extremist USA today published that article, republished that article. And then I was told

00:14:39.380 because I have friends in the FBI, friends in all the federal organizations, because they're all

00:14:43.820 tactical guys. I was told I was on the list and I'm like, well, what do I have to do to get off the

00:14:49.200 list? So a few interviews later, uh, even CNN interviewed me cause they wanted to elevate and

00:14:56.620 amplify what they had heard because they thought I was affiliated with proud boys. And it became this

00:15:01.960 thing. And I'm like, I'm a patriot, but I'm also a centrist. I don't, I'm a libertarian. I don't care

00:15:08.060 about affiliations with right parties and left parties. I care about independence, freedom, and not

00:15:14.360 being bothered by the U S government. Like leave me the hell alone. And that, that's still a thing.

00:15:19.920 I mean, I deal with it. The proud boys came to visit me at Overland expo because they heard I was in

00:15:25.560 town. Visit me. I don't even know what that means, but you know, like if you want to visit me, you,

00:15:30.620 I have my address advertised for Philcraft survival online, like come visit me. It's like, it's either

00:15:37.060 it's one or the other. It's like the government, it's just these, the extremist and it's constant,

00:15:42.340 but that's like the nature of our world today for, for a personality like me or Evan or Jocko.

00:15:48.180 It's crazy. When you say the proud boys wanted to visit you, what I'm interpreting that as

00:15:53.780 that's a threat. Am I understanding that correctly? They're, they're coming to intimidate or threaten

00:15:58.300 you. So they, they, they, they approached my booth. I wasn't in the booth cause I was meeting

00:16:04.080 with somebody else. And they said they had heard that I had said the proud boys had made death threats

00:16:11.380 against me. And I I've never, I don't think I've ever said that. And you know, TBI is a thing. I,

00:16:17.060 I don't remember ever saying that I got lots of threats from different people, not specifically the

00:16:22.860 proud boys. Um, and I don't care. Like I'm not tracking the proud boys, just like I'm not

00:16:28.160 tracking, tracking left-wing extremists. I don't care. Antifa doesn't matter to me. BLM,

00:16:33.060 I I'm doing my own thing. So I'm assuming they came to, to find out if I had said that and maybe

00:16:41.000 clarify, I hope that it wasn't true in trying to connect with me in person. But you know, again,

00:16:48.160 me and Evan and a lot of personalities in these spaces who were vocal about these organizations

00:16:54.780 are going to be attacked. It's just natural. So you, you said that there's a level of

00:17:02.020 government incompetency, you know, you were saying one hand isn't talking to the other

00:17:06.480 is, is that what it is? Or do you think it's more malicious than that? Is it just incompetence

00:17:12.780 or is it malicious in intent to shut people up, uh, to get people to abide by these ideologies?

00:17:20.860 What are your thoughts? Yeah, that's a really good question. I think it is more than that. I

00:17:26.760 think it's comprehensive and I think it ties a lot to incentives and desires, emotions, and like

00:17:34.700 you said, ideology. So how that manifests itself isn't very deliberate in its intent, but it doesn't

00:17:41.880 have to be because when you have an ideology and you're, and you're recruiting your administration

00:17:46.880 and they have similar ideologies, then it's like, it's like a, uh, you know, it's like a tsunami.

00:17:52.500 It's going to have resounding effects outside of the center point of that start point. And so I,

00:17:58.840 I do think a lot of it, um, has to do with, uh, groups of people who are, who think similarly in this

00:18:06.940 case, socialism or communist ties. Um, I mean, there's no doubt the administration's in bed with China

00:18:14.440 because there's, there's facts, um,

00:18:16.880 there's evidence to prove that. So how that, how that evolves and how that progresses and how that

00:18:22.040 affects our culture and American citizens, um, results in a reflection of complacency,

00:18:30.240 of bureaucracy, of corruption. And I, like I said, I've experienced that firsthand. I mean,

00:18:35.700 when I was in Libya, uh, I went to Libya, I deployed to Libya in October of 2011,

00:18:42.200 right after Benghazi was at 12, that was 12, uh, right after Benghazi and, um, was part of the

00:18:51.080 counter-terrorism force. I was actually the team lead for the counter-terrorism force that was

00:18:55.640 building the counter-terrorism unit to go after the guy who's responsible for killing the four

00:19:01.360 Americans, uh, two GRS guys, uh, and ambassador Stevens. And politically, because it wasn't the

00:19:08.720 right political climate, we couldn't do our job. So, um, you just lost an ambassador. We have the

00:19:15.560 guy, we know where he's at. We could kill him right now or capture him right now, but you don't

00:19:20.540 think the political climate is good enough. So we're not going to do anything. Um, and we did,

00:19:25.560 I mean, frustratingly, we did nothing. And I mean, to the, to the extent of flipping tables and

00:19:31.260 shouting matches, um, nothing got accomplished. And then that was my last, uh, active duty trip.

00:19:37.500 Cause I was so, uh, disgruntled at what was going on politically that was affecting us.

00:19:43.360 And, and is that when you, when you left military service, because you had that,

00:19:47.880 like you said, you were disgruntled, you were upset about the way, I mean, I, I felt like that

00:19:52.040 to a degree, even just with, uh, our rules of combat when I was in Iraq in 2005, which is different

00:19:58.160 than what you're talking about here. But I felt like, you know, we, we, as an artillery unit had

00:20:02.720 the capabilities to do some real damage and yet we were hamstring deliberately and intentionally,

00:20:07.500 uh, whether that was malicious or just incompetence, like we're talking about now,

00:20:13.500 the fact of the matter is like our capabilities are far superior than what we were able to do.

00:20:18.200 And that was very frustrating for me personally. Yeah. I mean, I, I left the military

00:20:23.960 with not a lot of good things to say about the military at that point. Um, my chain of command

00:20:32.280 was weak. Um, the Lieutenant Colonel I was with in Libya was a drunk. Um, the political situation

00:20:39.920 under Obama and specifically Hillary Clinton, warning allow, weren't allowing us to do our job

00:20:45.480 or special operations command to do our job. And, um, I left because of that. I mean, I, look, I, I could

00:20:52.340 have stayed in and, and had a very lucrative, successful story in the military, but I, the

00:20:59.320 political situation was, um, affecting me for the first time operationally. And I didn't want to deal

00:21:05.200 with that because I was making promises to my guys that I couldn't keep. You know, I told my guys,

00:21:10.340 Hey man, um, my job is to get you to war. My job is to get you into combat and to get you the mission.

00:21:17.820 And I fought like hell to get that done, but I couldn't keep that promise. And, um, after a lot

00:21:23.400 of reflection on that experience, uh, a lot of it obviously is out of my hands when, when policy

00:21:29.240 dictates intelligence communities, uh, priorities, then obviously it's going to shift tactical focus

00:21:37.600 or operational focus. And we were left, you know, with low hanging fruit, we couldn't do anything

00:21:43.340 essentially. I mean, I couldn't even do a route reconnaissance in that, in that area of operation.

00:21:47.840 And this is post, we just lost four Americans after congressionally. Um, I was in charge of a

00:21:53.920 1208 program, like appointed 1208 program to go create a counterterrorism force to kill Al Qaeda in

00:22:02.240 Libya. Like that's my entire job. Like I got the war. No, uh, actually got the war. No prior,

00:22:07.360 we were already thinking about it prior to nine 11 of 2012. And then that happened, which to me is like

00:22:13.040 the execution criteria. And we did nothing. I mean, it's pretty sad.

00:22:18.940 When you say you wanted to get your guys into the fight or into combat or into the battle,

00:22:23.660 I can't remember the exact term you used. What you're saying is get off the sidelines and actually

00:22:27.720 get into battle and make effective change. But you felt hamstringed by your ability to do that. Is,

00:22:32.940 is that right?

00:22:34.220 Yeah, for sure, man. I mean, I, but my goal as a leader in special operations, even when I was a cell

00:22:39.340 leader, uh, a sniper cell leader, a team sergeant, Sergeant Major is to get guys in the fight. I mean,

00:22:45.380 I'm the, I'm the conduit between all this political crap and then streamlining the processes to get

00:22:52.400 them to do their job and to insulate them, um, from all the BS above them. Uh, I could do,

00:22:58.940 I did that very well, but not being able to do anything, uh, operationally was just, uh,

00:23:06.560 unacceptable for me. My, my whole theory, uh, philosophically was if there's no fight to be

00:23:11.800 fought, I'm not going to be there. I mean, I, I could have better use of my time. And so I,

00:23:17.380 I had migrated over to the CIA.

00:23:19.860 Well, I mean, not only the CIA and we can get into that. And I want to talk with you about that,

00:23:23.940 but I think one thing that you've done very well, and this translates into something that I've heard

00:23:27.740 a lot of people talk about, even with me and other people's like, well, why don't you get into

00:23:31.260 politics? And it's like, you know, that's one Avenue. I'm not saying that's not an Avenue,

00:23:34.940 uh, just like our, our, our military fighting force isn't an Avenue. It is. Uh, but one thing

00:23:41.000 I've seen you do is take your experience and your expertise and your knowledge and your connections,

00:23:45.320 and then translate that over to the civilian sector with American contingency and fieldcraft

00:23:50.800 survival. And so I I've, I've seen you not look at that as a waste. Cause I know a lot of guys who

00:23:57.120 have been in the military who are completely disgruntled to the point where they've, they've,

00:24:02.860 they basically are self-sabotaging right now. Cause they won't even function in the civilian

00:24:07.460 sector. And that isn't you, like you've taken all this knowledge and experience and expertise,

00:24:12.140 and you translated it over into the civilian sector to help a lot of people get into a better

00:24:16.800 position. So I commend you for that. No, I mean, that means a lot. I mean, my,

00:24:21.800 my philosophy on all of this is one, if you're an entrepreneur, you could have the most profound

00:24:29.380 impacts on culture, um, very much so outperforming and outweighing government entities in one single

00:24:38.680 position. I mean, you know, Evan and I, and all the guys were in some small circles of politicians

00:24:44.620 who like Dan Crenshaw, who, yeah, he'll get up and he'll shout and he'll do his thing. And he'll

00:24:51.080 profess, um, his constituents points of view, but he's limited. He's very limited. So yeah, sure.

00:24:58.260 I could run for Senate. I could be a Congressman and, and my, uh, my area and Utah, but what is

00:25:05.320 that accomplishing on a broader stage? My, my, my, uh, ideology in this is if I could affect the

00:25:13.340 masses and being better informed, best informed to make better decisions, even in a specifically

00:25:20.140 who to vote for, then that's a more profound impact in shifting culture because we have to want,

00:25:26.840 like one, I take on a responsibility of training, mentoring, and, and building the next generations

00:25:33.900 of warriors to be able to fight in the future wars of America to preserve this thing called freedom.

00:25:41.360 Um, if we forget about that, I mean, based on the paths that were projected, we are, we are going to be

00:25:48.680 the weakest country on the planet. It won't take long before that happens. So just like John Plaster,

00:25:55.460 John Strucker Meyer, um, all of these, uh, you know, veterans of foreign wars from the past have

00:26:02.360 written books, have got out there on the world stage and said, Hey, this is a thing which inspired

00:26:08.000 me to serve. Um, I want to do the same. And I also want to, uh, inspire men, uh, whether they're

00:26:14.080 young men or, or older men to inspire the service. Isn't just a military contract. It's serving your

00:26:21.600 family. It's serving your community. Um, it's serving your sons and daughters because that's

00:26:27.520 the future of our country. And I, I think that is what I focus most of my attention on, um, outside

00:26:33.420 of preparedness and influencing. Well, and I, and I believe, I think our missions are very much

00:26:38.980 aligned, which is why I partially the reason I wanted to have this conversation, but I think if

00:26:43.640 you can serve your daughters and you can serve your sons and you can teach them the right ways,

00:26:47.380 uh, then the service to nation and service to country and, and, and our ability to defend and

00:26:53.620 uphold our, our liberty and freedom, that that's kind of a natural by-product of having high caliber

00:26:59.500 human beings who happen to be your neighbors or happen to be the guy that you just hired for your

00:27:04.460 company. Like, to me, that's a, like you said, that's a greater mission. And then the rest of it

00:27:09.300 is just trickle down. All that stuff will take care of it. If we can, uh, focus on, on, on the

00:27:13.920 individual, uh, even at a neighborhood or community level. Yeah, that's the most important, man. That

00:27:20.580 that's what we've, that's what we've lost over the past couple of decades. It probably started

00:27:26.740 on September 13th of 2001, the digression of that. I mean, September 11th happened, September 12th,

00:27:33.600 we were patriotic September 13th. It was just downhill from there. And I think, um, the degradation

00:27:41.280 of the family unit of, uh, churches in our communities of culture, uh, tied to, you know,

00:27:49.320 I mean, you can call it Christian values. I call it Christian values, um, has kind of digressed us

00:27:56.320 away from, from these paths of just being squared away. I mean, people have asked me like, why do you

00:28:01.500 go to Utah or why, why, why did you guys settle in Utah? Because I like the Mormon community. I'm a

00:28:06.940 Christian non-denominational. I don't believe that you need to have a specific house. If you have

00:28:11.260 a specific reason why you, uh, believe in God, but I love the faith of the Mormon church

00:28:19.220 and, you know, the latter day, uh, saints, because when you look at the Mormon church,

00:28:24.920 they have conservative values. They're still instilling those values in the, in their churches

00:28:30.580 and their communities. And it's a fabric that has held them together, um, with 61% of the population

00:28:37.200 in Utah. Now, um, am I an advocate for pushing, uh, specific, uh, lines of faith? No, but I'm an

00:28:46.880 advocate for pushing specific lines of value. So that value, whether it's family values or,

00:28:53.080 you know, uh, a good man in the household or a good woman in the household, those are the things

00:28:58.040 that we need to get back to. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. You say that because I happen to be

00:29:01.780 LDS myself, I'm from Utah, I'm from Southern Utah. I know you're up in the Hebrew area,

00:29:06.100 which is, which is obviously further North. Uh, and, and I was converted when I was 16 years old.

00:29:12.240 And a lot of people ask me that they say things like, you know, like, why did you become a member

00:29:16.060 and what's your belief and what's your testimony? And I wish I had something more spiritual, but

00:29:20.580 honestly, my testimony is actually very similar to yours, which is, Hey, I looked at, even at 16 years

00:29:25.660 old, I looked at the guys I was playing football with. I looked at their families. I looked at their

00:29:30.900 dad. I looked at their mom. I looked at their values. I looked at what they were experiencing

00:29:34.880 and how happy and fulfilled they were. And I thought that's gotta be good. Like, I don't know

00:29:39.380 about the spirit at 16 years old. I don't like, I don't know about the spiritual side of it, but

00:29:42.900 like that felt pretty good. And that was something that I wanted personally of my own life. So I'm

00:29:47.600 really glad that you're talking about values and letting that dictate the decisions that you make

00:29:53.600 versus ideology or, you know, what you're supposed to believe or whatever. And just looking at the

00:29:58.920 core values of a people or a family or a society or a business or whatever.

00:30:05.000 Yeah. The, the value system, you know, growing up, I grew up a Baptist in North Carolina and,

00:30:13.180 you know, I, I was navigating in my own head kind of what faith meant to me, what values meant to me.

00:30:21.020 And I had a dad that didn't deliberately instill values into me, but he was a military man.

00:30:26.780 And then I went to the army at 17 and got issued that dog tag that says, you know, loyalty, duty,

00:30:33.300 honor, selfless service, and respect. And I paid attention. And those values that were instilled in

00:30:40.360 me in the military, I realized aren't common to all. It's not an SOP that exists in most communities

00:30:47.780 in most households. So, um, I'm a big fan of instilling values in any way possible,

00:30:54.540 even if that's by leading by example in my own, in my own way. I mean, people who know me in my

00:31:00.860 company, people who are in my inner circle, um, understand the person I am. So I don't have to

00:31:07.520 pretend to be something I'm not. And, and I hope that translates because I mean, that's who I am.

00:31:12.400 I don't, I don't have, I don't have scripts and plans when I do content or when I profess about

00:31:17.480 anything, it's just the way I navigate my life organically. And I hope that has some kind of

00:31:22.620 impact somewhere. So when you, so let me just get the timeline here. So you were in the military

00:31:28.240 and then you went into the CIA, uh, and then you left. And at that point you started in, into your

00:31:36.680 entrepreneurial pursuits, or was there some sort of transition there? Like what, what did that actually

00:31:41.580 look like? And was it, um, was it American contingency or was it field craft survival?

00:31:46.260 Like, give me the timeline of how that broke down. Yeah. So I joined the army at 17 in 1997.

00:31:51.060 And then in 2013, I got off active duty and transitioned my time into, um, the reserve

00:31:58.400 component. So I was a master, uh, how I had finished my team Sergeant time, uh, transferred into the 19th

00:32:06.440 special forces group, uh, took another team, um, made Sergeant major there and then started working

00:32:12.820 for the CIA in 2013. So from 2014, 15 and 16, I was basically a Sergeant major 19th group. And then I

00:32:21.920 was, uh, going overseas with the agency. And so in 2016, uh, in Pakistan specifically, I decided I

00:32:30.460 wanted to look at that point. I hadn't had a family and I wanted to kind of focus on anchoring myself

00:32:36.420 into something and felt like I had enough experience to start a business. So I started

00:32:41.860 field craft survival in 2000, actually in 2015, and then, um, executed it in 2016. The first couple of

00:32:49.700 years, I actually want to contract for, uh, as a program manager for teaching the King of Malaysia's

00:32:57.580 bodyguards who happened to be Navy SEALs and SF guys. So I did that for a year or two.

00:33:03.920 That sounds like some sort of weird email that I'd get about like, you know, like I'm going to gift

00:33:08.340 you $20 million or whatever. You just got to like, send me an email back and give me your bank account

00:33:12.880 information. The King of Malaysia.

00:33:15.080 It felt like that. It's, it's funny. Cause I mean, the King of Malaysia, he was, he, we're not, we're not

00:33:20.880 close now, but he was like a good buddy. Uh, the King of Malaysia, um, went to sniper school,

00:33:27.580 civilian sniper schools in America, uh, had a, had a condo in San Diego, was a hunt with an avid

00:33:35.020 hunter. He used to archery hunt for elk. Yeah. So he was assaulted. So of a province and then in,

00:33:42.860 um, the monarchy in Malaysia, it rotates through provinces. So it rotated into his province and he

00:33:49.120 was just living that Prince life kind of doing his thing. And his province got the rotation for,

00:33:55.080 I think it's five years and his dad passed away and his brother didn't want it. So he went from

00:34:02.260 like this playboy kind of hanging out. I was going to say, I was going to say, I'd much rather be a

00:34:07.320 Prince than a King for sure. You got all the money, all the benefits, all the ladies, all the whatever,

00:34:11.860 and none of the responsibilities. Yeah. He, so he, he got appointed. And then the first thing he started

00:34:18.540 doing was going, Hey man, I don't want like cops to protect me. Even though cops that are there that

00:34:24.220 are in protection are squared away. Um, he wanted to train his special operations guys and make them

00:34:30.140 his PSD. And so we did that. And, um, it was really fun, really cool. That lasted a couple of years.

00:34:35.820 So officially, I mean, technically I've been in business for about three years. This is,

00:34:40.080 this is our, we're wrapping up our third solid year of business at Fieldcraft Survival.

00:34:44.760 Can you, I'm going to get into that, but can you pull back any of the, the, the, the mystery or the

00:34:50.300 cloak of, of the CIA? Like most of us, what we see is the movies and like all this kind of weird

00:34:56.980 stuff and like how much of that is true versus how much of it is, was, was business as usual as a,

00:35:02.900 as a military member, like help us like see a little bit of a glimpse into the, what that

00:35:07.820 transition looked like in the CIA. Yeah. Here's what I'll say about the agency and I, you know,

00:35:12.520 on, on, as a military special operations guy, especially as a senior guy, I've worked with

00:35:16.240 the CIA a lot down range. I mean, I, I shared, I mean, I shared a program with the CIA overseas.

00:35:23.580 So I, I, I kind of understood where they were coming from and some of the things that I liked

00:35:30.180 about the CIA. Well, one, the CIA runs everything. I mean, if you're a special operations guy and you

00:35:36.480 want to be in, you want to play ball, you understand that the chief of mission or the chief of base

00:35:41.640 in a specific location runs all the intelligence priorities to operationally, they do things that

00:35:51.540 are more significant when tied to national security. I mean, it's big level, it's high level things.

00:35:57.200 And that trickles down to some really cool opportunities for guys like myself. And I've

00:36:02.980 never been treated so good in an organization. Um, the best, I mean, the best food, the best

00:36:11.200 accommodations, the best travel, the best people. Uh, one thing I'll say about the CIA

00:36:16.700 is they truly know, especially in the operational sector, which is the directorate of operations.

00:36:25.540 And also the office of security, which I work for, they know how to recruit, assess and train

00:36:32.800 the right people. I don't think I really met, I mean, in the state department, military and

00:36:39.460 every organization I've worked, worked with or for, I've identified a lot of people that

00:36:43.880 weren't, that shouldn't have been there. And the, and the CIA, I don't think I ever ran

00:36:49.220 across a guy that I didn't in GRS, which is where I worked. Um, I never ran across a guy

00:36:56.720 that I was uncomfortable with operating with because I knew they were called. I knew they

00:37:01.100 were vetted. I knew they were a high caliber operator professional. And man, it, it was the

00:37:07.440 greatest experience I've ever had. Honestly, I think the CIA is the best job I've ever had

00:37:11.220 in the short that I had. Um, but those guys and gals that work for the CIA are the hardest

00:37:19.100 working human beings I've ever seen. Um, I mean, in special operations, I would say probably

00:37:24.400 about 20% of special operations, um, really take their job seriously and grind like our

00:37:31.160 grinders. Sure. And that category, cause I lived, I mean, as a child, that's all I wanted

00:37:36.660 to be. So when I was there, my sole focus wasn't bars, wasn't women was killing bad guys.

00:37:43.240 Well, I didn't think that existed anywhere else. And except for, you know, tiered units.

00:37:48.640 And then I went into CIA and the entire organization thinks like that. And so those guys get put on

00:37:54.900 TDY and they're in Yemen for a year. And I'm like, I don't know if I could live in Yemen for a year.

00:38:00.960 60 days is enough for me. I get to go home for 60 days. And then those guys and gals are

00:38:06.500 there for years. And it was truly, um, and I, you know, I don't even have any affiliate. I got a few

00:38:14.080 affiliations with the agency with friends and, and, uh, uh, uh, programs, but I, I, it was the best

00:38:21.880 organization I've ever worked for. Hmm. You, you use the term they, and, and I'm always, I'm very

00:38:28.860 cautious about that because it's easy to say, Oh, they want this. They want that. And it's like,

00:38:34.200 well, who is they, I don't know. It was just some entity out there. Like who is they, uh, from,

00:38:40.220 from my perspective and from my limited experience, when, when I see, uh, the military, I see

00:38:46.560 intelligence agencies, it seems to me that a lot of these agencies and organizations are going more

00:38:52.380 woke than maybe they have in the past. And to a degree, again, this is my, maybe own ignorance

00:38:56.980 speaking seems to be infiltrated to some degree with, uh, leftist ideology with a, with a level of

00:39:03.120 wokeness. Uh, would you agree? Would you disagree? Like, is they your, your brothers and sisters

00:39:08.980 in arms? Is it some separate entity that's dictating and pulling the strings? What does that actually

00:39:13.400 look like? No, I would say that is a thing. I mean, I, I, I noticed that, uh, especially in

00:39:20.720 diplomatic service, especially in the state department, um, foreign service, um, one, they recruit

00:39:29.300 from Ivy league liberal colleges. I mean, that's where they recruit them from. And then, uh, what

00:39:35.220 you'll see in areas. Let me interrupt you, Mike, real quick. These are more of your intellects

00:39:40.600 versus operators. Is that what you're saying? Okay. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. So, I mean, the, remember

00:39:47.100 the CIA is, is an Intel or intelligence collection apparatus. So their priorities are collecting

00:39:55.460 information and some of the best and brightest aren't operational guys. They're people who know

00:40:01.680 how to have conversations. They speak four languages. They can write a cable like they're

00:40:06.940 writing a Stephen King novel. So that articulation of information is very specific and pointed. It has

00:40:16.660 to be for the sake of dissemination, proper dissemination of intelligence. So those people often, when they're

00:40:24.640 not in the war zone or, or we'll call it semi-permissive or non-permissive environments,

00:40:30.300 they're, they're likely to be woke, but when they come to the war zone, they work with GRS,

00:40:35.800 they work with, um, special activities division. They start to realize like, wow, this is not what my

00:40:43.080 professor said to me and in four years of school, this is completely different. And so they, they,

00:40:48.480 they become woke to a new reality, uh, a worldly perspective. And so that translates often into

00:40:55.620 the right actors in the right positions. And what you'll see is operational elements like

00:41:02.340 the directorate of operations or, um, uh, CTC, the counter-terrorism center or the, or ground branch or air

00:41:11.420 branch or maritime branch is those guys now are become senior leaders that have 20 years of GWAT.

00:41:18.340 And then they're in charge of bases. And then that ideology from that leader is affecting their

00:41:25.140 case officers who have the big thousand pound brains out of an Ivy league college. And they're

00:41:30.080 going, okay, now my, now I'm shifting my, my ideas and it, and it becomes better, but why does it seem

00:41:36.840 to be shifting? Like, and again, this is me just seeing it from the outside, looking in, it seems

00:41:41.500 to me to be shifting more left than right. And in the idol ideology is, is that, is that incorrect?

00:41:48.960 No. So if you take the center, like if you take the center of, of, uh, Northern Virginia or Washington,

00:41:54.700 DC, where the flagpole is, you can, you can build out rings, right? And if you're talking about a covert

00:42:01.680 base or a base of operations in Africa, you're likely not to have that kind of ideology because

00:42:09.220 they're in real time dealing with real world problems. And, and what you'll see is philosophically,

00:42:15.720 uh, you'll see more radical thoughts and ideas, culture and effects on people based on their absence

00:42:24.620 from this reality. And I saw that, you know, I, like I was in Libya and I had a, uh, a state

00:42:31.540 department logistics expert, um, tell me he wasn't going to support me. So this is post nine 11. This

00:42:39.160 is October of 2012. And he's, and I needed vehicles to transport, um, men, weapons, and equipment from

00:42:50.000 the airport to our base to support this counterterrorism unit. I was standing up that by the

00:42:55.580 way was meant had a, um, secondary mission of force protection for the embassy. So if shit hit the fan,

00:43:03.460 it would be me, three of my guys, um, and my Libyan counterterrorism force to come respond and react

00:43:10.720 to support the embassy. I said, Hey, I need some vehicles. And he had a hundred vehicles and he goes,

00:43:17.280 I'm not giving you vehicles. And I said, what do you mean? You're not giving me vehicles. He goes,

00:43:20.820 uh, well, I don't have to support you. I said, I'm an American senior enlisted advisor for the,

00:43:28.000 for the state department and for the embassy of Libya. I'm running a counterterrorism program

00:43:33.240 that's sanctioned by your chief of mission, your ambassador, who was the charge a Alexander Pope.

00:43:38.700 And you're telling me logistically, I'm asking for vehicles. You can't support me or you won't

00:43:44.940 support me. And he goes, I won't support you. And I said, I said, let me tell you something.

00:43:50.240 If this base gets attacked, I will lock your ass in this room and I'll let Al Qaeda chop off your

00:43:57.160 effing head. And, and, and I, I quietly said that. And I told him, I said, dude, you have no idea

00:44:04.320 the list that you've made. I said, I will crush you. And I just walked out. Um, and that was the

00:44:10.360 start point of an October rotation all the way into the following year of similar frustrations.

00:44:16.140 Were there political re like, like, what would be the reasoning behind that? Is it political?

00:44:21.180 Is it vengeance? I'm going to get back at you or like, what is it?

00:44:26.500 Radical leftist. He was a radical fan, fanatical leftist. He hated the military. He had everything

00:44:33.520 we stood for. He didn't want it. Just being in uniform. He was scallops. After I told him I would

00:44:39.740 break him in half, he stopped, he stopped leaving his room because he knew he would run into me.

00:44:44.200 It just, it was sanity because like, I can't even fathom even, even a ideology that I don't agree with

00:44:53.620 doing that to another American, doing that to another person, uh, is my, my field of view,

00:44:59.500 but an American in an embassy, unfathomable.

00:45:02.900 All right, guys, let me hit the pause button on the conversation. I know you're enjoying it,

00:45:07.520 but I just got to step away for a very quick minute. Last week, as I mentioned earlier,

00:45:11.180 we hosted our second annual main event and had 100 men join us here on my farm in Maine for an

00:45:17.380 event. Like I shouldn't say like, unlike any other. And with the success of the event,

00:45:23.320 we decided to open registration early for our event in October of 2022. So we're going to host this thing

00:45:28.760 October 7th through the ninth. That's Columbus day weekend, 2022. Now I will say this. We only have

00:45:34.940 about 20 spots of 100 left. So if you're even remotely interested, because we had 80 roughly guys

00:45:43.040 from our first event, sign up for this next event, you got to get signed up today as we will likely

00:45:50.120 close it down in the next several days. So if you're interested, even remotely interested and want

00:45:55.360 to learn more about what we did at this event, I'm not going to bore you with all the

00:45:58.740 details here. You can head to order of man.com slash main event. And that's the state main. So

00:46:05.000 order of man.com slash main event to learn more and register. But I want you to do it quickly

00:46:10.620 because we only have 20 spots and I would love to lock this thing down, have the hundred of us who

00:46:15.360 are ready to go and get you guys all dialed in for our event next year. Again, order of man.com

00:46:20.860 slash main event to lock in one of those last 20 spots. You can do that right after the show,

00:46:26.340 but for now we'll get back to it with Mike. Yeah, man. I look, I can, I can appreciate your

00:46:33.680 disdain. Like, I mean, for every one story you just shared with me, there's probably, you know,

00:46:39.700 a hundred stories that you could share with me. And so I could certainly appreciate the disdain

00:46:43.480 between personal ideology, whether it's right or left or political jockeying, which I'm sure is

00:46:50.280 just a nightmare when it comes down to it. You know, we have hundreds of thousands of men and

00:46:56.540 women who just actually want to do the right thing. You know, I look at that with Afghanistan.

00:47:01.420 It's like, yeah, there's politics and there's this and there's that, and there's the red tape

00:47:04.960 and everything else. And there's also a lot of people who are going to die. A lot of young women

00:47:11.940 and girls who are going to be raped and mutilated. And we've got hundreds of thousands of people who want

00:47:19.440 to do the right thing. And it's just, it's disheartening to say the least that we are so

00:47:24.300 hamstringed by this ideology and this political jockeying to keep people from doing that who are,

00:47:29.720 who are well-qualified like yourself to do it. Yeah. It's a, we used to stand for this idea

00:47:37.640 of policing the world and we, we, we burden that responsibility. And then, and, and that was a,

00:47:45.260 that actually, in a lot of ways was a democratic approach, especially in the, in the eighties,

00:47:51.800 nineties and leading out into modern times. So when I see Bill Clinton and, and this, the tragedies

00:48:03.060 that happened all over Africa, not just Rwanda, but all over Africa with these mass killings of people.

00:48:10.980 And then you see Mogadishu Somalia, where, um, uh, Rangers and members of special operations

00:48:19.060 command were murdered and drug through the streets of Mogadishu and we pull out. And then you see

00:48:24.780 that, you know, that evolves. And then you see, you know, the Trump administration go into Syria,

00:48:32.200 kill the leader of ISIS and kill hundreds, hundreds of thousands of ISIS members. Like we forget that he did

00:48:39.700 that. The reason it's not a thing is because he crushed the media and didn't allow them to be able

00:48:46.140 to show and, and, uh, be embedded with all of the things that we were doing. And we had a whole

00:48:51.020 campaign in a very short period of time, wiped ISIS off the planet. And now we're back to, we're pulling

00:48:58.600 out of Afghanistan, leaving a humanitarian crisis and not doing anything about it. And that's happening

00:49:04.700 all over the world because of our policy. But the reason that, uh, Americans are stranded, the reason

00:49:11.080 that Afghans are going to get killed, tortured, murdered, um, for, from here until whenever, until

00:49:18.540 somebody does something about it is because of policy. So when you, when you, when you flex cuff

00:49:26.360 American veterans who have, uh, uh, the operational experience, the strategic experience to do

00:49:32.860 something about it, they're going to rise up and do something about it. And so it's, it's this idea

00:49:38.740 of like central government versus the people, the people are very good and free enterprises and markets

00:49:44.820 at sourcing a better optimized solution. The government has shown again and again, they are not

00:49:51.800 very good at anything. So I actually liked the position we're put in, except not only are we

00:49:58.680 getting, um, called domestic terrorist and being federally investigated, but even more so we're

00:50:04.780 being, we're being stagnated and basically blockaded from being able to help. And that's the detriment

00:50:10.880 because a smart government would leverage the experience of the private sector. Like they do in

00:50:17.280 social media, like they do in, in free enterprise when it benefits them, they would look and go,

00:50:22.300 how can we work with you to make this a better attempt and approach and rescuing these Afghans

00:50:28.500 and American citizens? But they haven't done that. They just cut off every, every ability and access

00:50:34.760 for us to do this because there's no diplomatic or no military strategy in Afghanistan. I have members

00:50:41.120 of joint special operations command. I have senior buddies of mine that work for the CIA who have told me

00:50:46.820 they've been directed to cut all ties to Afghanistan, including intelligence, including our eyes on

00:50:53.460 the most significant actors who were just released and 5,000, um, terrorists that were released from

00:51:00.000 Bagram, one of which just conducted the suicide attack that killed 13 service members and hundreds

00:51:05.520 of Afghans. That is going to be our next problem set that we will be fighting, uh, in the near future.

00:51:12.640 I don't think it's a, it's, it's, it's, if it's when, and it's going to happen, you got a safe haven of

00:51:18.100 terrorism now. Yeah. You know, but, but, and I'm saying this sarcastically, we, we might have over

00:51:24.000 the horizon capabilities, so we don't need all of that. I mean, look, here's what it leads me to

00:51:28.540 believe is that there's ulterior motives, but also let's look at the other side of this for a minute.

00:51:33.040 To what degree do we have a responsibility to be the savior of the world stage? And I'm asking that

00:51:41.940 in all sincerity. I want to know both sides of that and both sides of the equation of people who believe

00:51:46.420 we do have a moral obligation and those who don't believe. I'm very curious about that question. I

00:51:51.160 have my own thoughts, but I'm curious about your thoughts on that. So I've never been asked that,

00:51:56.500 but I have very strong feelings about it. As the leaders, as a president, who is the leader of the

00:52:04.320 free world. And as somebody who's deployed 20 plus times all over the world and seen it all,

00:52:11.840 it is our responsibility to assist and help the entire world. That is our responsibility.

00:52:18.140 If there is a genocide of people getting murdered in a country in Africa, we should deploy Team America

00:52:27.180 to go in there and kill all of those bad dudes off the face of the earth and work with the

00:52:32.220 international community to build and repair that damage that was done. And we did that. People forget

00:52:39.240 that we are at war with Germany, Japan, and Italy during World War II.

00:52:46.380 And the lead up of World War II was millions of people dying before we stepped in. I mean,

00:52:53.660 Winston Churchill bombed, I believe in 1944, a German town and killed in one night, 80,000 civilians

00:53:04.760 because he needed to turn the tides of war. This is, I mean, a sovereign country that is Britain

00:53:12.500 made the decision that we had to kill 80,000 plus people in an action to preserve life. We were worlds,

00:53:22.220 you know, separate worlds. And it was like, we were at war. And the idea that we are going to allow

00:53:31.500 terrorist organization who have already showed the capability capacity to terrorize, to murder

00:53:38.980 American citizens and free people all over the world is just asinine to me. Because when you look

00:53:47.620 at the analogy, from my perspective, it's like community, it's like your own neighborhood.

00:53:54.360 So if you have your house, there's a strategy. If you want to be in your home and feel safe,

00:54:00.000 at least if you want to pretend that you're safe, you shut the doors, lock the doors, close the blinds,

00:54:04.720 turn on TV, very loud and forget anything exists outside of your home. If you want to proactively

00:54:11.060 protect your home for the longterm, then you have a community wash or community service.

00:54:17.980 You get outside, you do roving patrols, you do presence patrols, you look at your neighbor's

00:54:25.380 homes, you look for patterns of life, you look for inconsistencies, and then you're better protected

00:54:31.040 because your country is protected when you're looking at the world. It's number one, it's a

00:54:37.540 strategy diplomatically. It's a strategy based on our intelligence community breakouts and

00:54:43.300 operationally. So we should be doing it. And I hate to say that because a lot of, I hate to say it

00:54:50.400 because a lot of people don't understand how those things work when they say, screw that, we need to be

00:54:56.440 focus on our own problems. We got a lot of problems and I agree, but when we look at the national

00:55:03.240 security stage and foreign policy, the best way to protect ourselves now is doing that. The detriment

00:55:09.220 to that is the contrast to that is September 11th of 2001. That's what happens when you take your eye

00:55:15.400 off the ball. I think that's a very good analogy. And I don't know that I've ever been, it's ever been

00:55:20.600 to explain to me that way of, Hey, you know, yeah, you, you could, you could put the deadbolts on or

00:55:26.000 put longer screws in your deadbolts or whatever it is, which you should do by the way. Yeah. Or you

00:55:31.840 could be proactive. And I really liked that thought, but I think where a lot of people get concerned

00:55:36.500 and I've had concerns about this too, is like, are we really doing this to, to help out of some sort

00:55:43.780 of benevolence for other people? Or is it that we want to secure our own things? Like we need oil,

00:55:49.240 right? So, so we're going to, we're going to put it under the umbrella of like liberating some people,

00:55:55.460 but really it's just our own self-interest. And I think that's where a lot of people get hung up.

00:55:59.220 Is it, is it benevolent intentions or is there something more deceitful and we're just using

00:56:03.740 benevolent intentions as the, as the filter or the cover for what our real intentions are?

00:56:09.260 Yeah, it's a, it's an interesting point, but I think, um, based on the way human beings operate

00:56:15.480 anyway, you can't have one without the other. And it's already something that we do. I mean,

00:56:20.600 we have tens of thousands of Americans, troops, mostly soldiers on the border of the demilitarized

00:56:27.320 zone in Korea. Korea was fought from 1950 to 1953. Millions of people, including civilians died

00:56:33.820 during that war. Why, why did we fight that campaign? Well, we fought in Korea because after

00:56:39.940 World War II, Japan owned Korea. So when we consolidated efforts and we went like, what are we

00:56:45.560 going to do with Korea? Well, China and Russia wanted Korea. So we were like, well, we, we, we kind

00:56:51.400 of own Japan. Uh, we, we did a contract with Japan. Now we need to own or fight for the battleground.

00:56:57.460 You know, five years later, we're in Korea. So we haven't left that, that place, by the way,

00:57:03.520 we just gave up strategically Bagram air base located between Iran, Russia, China, and the free

00:57:12.740 world, which is us. That is, that is insanity. If you, if you took like a, an average military planner

00:57:19.740 and you were just playing charades with this, you would be like, man, Bagram, never going to give up

00:57:24.440 Bagram, just like we never gave up Turkey because it gives us air access to the world. It's one of

00:57:29.900 the reasons we're still in Italy, in Europe. So we, we have to think about those things. And when I

00:57:35.560 think about the fall of Afghanistan, to your point, I believe there might be like, I'm not a conspiracy

00:57:42.360 theorist, but why would somebody so deliberately and intentionally give up that space through these

00:57:48.940 generals who are embedded with China, by the way? I mean, Millie conducted, I think could, uh,

00:57:53.920 uh, enacted a, a, uh, he should be tried for treason. And I don't know how this isn't an issue

00:58:01.100 with him, uh, communicating with a senior military leader or political leader in China.

00:58:06.860 Um, and it feels deliberate because it's so stupid. It's so dumb. It feels like it's only done on

00:58:12.980 purpose. Well, I mean, that's the only two things it could be. It's either extreme incompetence

00:58:18.680 or it's extreme intentionality and both are wrong. Well, there's one, there's one side of the

00:58:25.980 argument that says, Hey, well, no more endless wars. Well, nobody says we're in an endless war,

00:58:30.920 even though we have a strong military presence in South Korea, nobody says we have an endless war

00:58:35.260 because we have a strong military presence in Germany. We had 2,500 or whatever, 3,000, roughly,

00:58:41.020 um, troops in, in Bagram and Afghanistan. Were we really in a war? We haven't lost, uh, a military

00:58:48.740 member in over a year, if I understand correctly, was that really a war or was that just a strategic

00:58:54.720 placement, uh, that we could help, uh, secure our own interest at home? Yeah. That's why I think it's,

00:59:00.800 it just more and more seems like something intentional because we know that, I mean,

00:59:07.980 normal people don't know that. So when the narrative is spun from the politicians who are

00:59:14.780 saying it's an endless war, we had to end the war, the war was already ended. Right. I mean,

00:59:20.660 we, there was no guys on the ground doing anything. We are training, assisting and advising,

00:59:26.240 and most importantly, providing air assets for look, the, the, the campaign in Afghanistan was only

00:59:34.140 fought with air assets. I mean, the Taliban, when they were fighting, the Russians were stringing

00:59:40.080 up wire across Ridge lines, taking down in my 17 helicopters. So like you can't fight that campaign

00:59:47.700 without having boots on the ground and air assets to leverage our boots were no longer in the front

00:59:55.000 line because it was Afghan boots. And we can, we had air assets that were protecting the Afghans that

01:00:00.200 were on the ground. That's a perfect strategy. One, I think, you know, when you look at, at,

01:00:05.600 at having a place where you're constantly engaged, um, and you're building experience and relationships,

01:00:13.400 understanding, and also holding ground, which is strategically important. Um, there's nothing

01:00:19.420 wrong with that. Um, so if, if we have people in Europe since 1945, after World War II, um,

01:00:28.800 after World War II ended, then why are we so disheartened by having a couple of thousand

01:00:36.320 troops and air assets in Afghanistan? And the only thing I could fathom is that it was intentional

01:00:41.300 because, uh, we pulled out August 31st and September 1st, China does a deal with the Taliban

01:00:48.480 for billions of dollars for mining their resources, including uranium deposit. The list goes on out of

01:00:55.580 the Hindu Kush. That to me is like, what? And nobody's paying attention to it.

01:01:00.760 So what you're saying, I mean, that's going to happen, right? Countries are going to

01:01:03.840 bid and jockey and talk and negotiate and all these things. So based on what I'm hearing you say is that

01:01:09.680 our administration is deliberately and intentionally backing out of that

01:01:13.800 to allow those types of negotiations to take place. Is that what you're saying?

01:01:18.480 I mean, there's no doubt politically based on, you know, Millie's conversation with a senior leader

01:01:25.760 that happened to be Chinese, um, our inability to critic. I mean, I just got told by a clothing

01:01:32.820 company recently, and I have to confirm this, if this is true, but that person would know more than

01:01:37.620 us as a company about international shipping and logistics that the port in Los Angeles was owned.

01:01:44.880 It was bought by the Chinese. And so the shipping container woes of supply chain issues that the

01:01:51.680 entire country is dealing raw material. Yeah. Raw material surplus goods, everything is being

01:01:57.720 affected. You can't get ink for printer cartridges. You can't get, um, plastic to make goods in here

01:02:03.560 because it's coming from China. And I can't even get a t-shirt to sell on my store, let alone what

01:02:08.380 you're talking about here are gone. And I go, how, how do you first cripple a country? Well,

01:02:16.560 it starts in a campaign that's faced. One of those is propaganda, um, mind control,

01:02:22.700 which social media has already demonstrated through its incompetency that troll farms. I think Joe Rogan

01:02:29.740 said today that the top, like the top 20, 19 or whatever it is. Yeah. 20 were actually troll farms

01:02:37.440 on Facebook, uh, that were affecting, um, um, uh, uh, messaging. I don't even know that what they

01:02:44.580 were, what they were doing and that a lot of, uh, the social media woes, even with people being woke,

01:02:52.880 going out to the streets, the violence and everything else was propagated by foreign intelligence

01:02:57.640 services was, was enacted by troll farms and other countries. And then we were just the dummies who

01:03:04.560 believed it. And now we're like in phase two, cut the logistical train, start, start, um, controlling

01:03:11.800 the demand and supply, cut the supply. The demand will still be there. And then you can't buy stuff

01:03:19.000 off the shelves. Then you'll panic. And then where did COVID-19 come from? Wuhan, China. Like,

01:03:24.700 like, why are we not paying attention to any of this? If you're looking at a strategic way to

01:03:30.560 destroy a country, we, we are in three major phases of this. What I predict is going to happen

01:03:37.400 is in the next year, you will see a massive, uh, reduction of supply that will be intentionally cut

01:03:45.520 off. That's, that will be raw material from India, raw material from China. And then the players that want

01:03:51.480 to play like the Vietnams, the Malaysians, the Singapore's, they don't have enough raw material.

01:03:55.660 In fact, most of them are sourcing raw materials from China, uh, and other countries anyway. When

01:04:01.420 that happens, the panic correlated with the, the, the continued efforts of the central government

01:04:09.000 to push COVID-19 restrictions is going to put us in a social dilemma where you're going to see

01:04:16.400 economic collapse. You're going to see markets in our economy collapse. And then you're going to see

01:04:21.180 people panicking because nobody's prepared. And I like a year prior to COVID, I predicted

01:04:27.400 both COVID and social discourse. I said that the two, and that's a podcast you could reference on,

01:04:33.260 on, uh, field craft survival that I did with Mike Pfeiffer a year prior to COVID happening.

01:04:37.780 I said, right now you have social discourse because BLM at that time was a thing still,

01:04:42.920 and they were burning down Baltimore and Obama was coming forward and saying,

01:04:46.900 you can't burn down Baltimore. And I said, the social media world leading people to go out and

01:04:53.240 burn their own towns, speaking on behalf of black or African-Americans in their own community,

01:04:59.060 and they're burning down black business. That's, that's like a counterintelligence, um, home run

01:05:05.480 that stacked with a, a, uh, a, um, uh, COVID-19 or any kind of pandemic is the two pieces that you

01:05:16.400 need to destroy a country. And right now we're living, I mean, we're, we're actually living it

01:05:20.780 and it won't be long. I mean, we saw it on a micro scale with fuel, right? There was the, the,

01:05:27.520 the gas craze, uh, people, I saw videos of people putting gas in plastic, uh, grocery sacks.

01:05:36.580 And then we saw it with, uh, with beef too, right? There was that big cat cattle, uh, or,

01:05:42.940 or beef shortage as well as a, as a test maybe, and maybe it wasn't intentional, but it certainly

01:05:49.260 was acknowledged that this is some real stuff. If you think that that was a problem, wait until it

01:05:55.420 gets worse, wait until you're without power for two weeks, wait until there's no food. Uh, this is,

01:06:00.800 this is crazy stuff. So I think this is part of the reason, and I don't want to put words in your

01:06:04.920 mouth, but probably part of the reason that you started field craft survival. So knowing that these

01:06:10.400 things are coming down the pike or at least anticipating that they might be, what, what does

01:06:16.020 the average man do to deal with this? Cause there's nothing we can do on a global level to shift this

01:06:21.640 tide. I think if enough of us band together, we might start to make a dent,

01:06:25.060 but what is it that we do to protect ourselves or families, our neighbors, et cetera?

01:06:30.960 Yeah, I think the overall problem is our dependence. So we have a, we have a, uh, a very

01:06:38.560 complacent and, and trending dependence on everything around us. Like we, if we look at our phone and all

01:06:47.060 of the things that we depend on, on our phones, if we cut that out of our lives, what are we left with?

01:06:52.460 Um, reduced social engagement, um, no networks. So what, what I tell people is just get back to

01:07:00.640 the origin stories of Americans of what we used to be. And, and this wasn't a hundred years ago.

01:07:06.980 So it's like 20 years ago. It's like 10 years ago. So, um, when, when people look at their own

01:07:12.140 lives, they need to start looking at infrastructure. Most importantly, if they depend on water, um,

01:07:18.360 electricity, um, gas, uh, including propane, if that is what is controlling and operating their home,

01:07:26.660 how can they start building reliance into that model? Well, you can get a generator because the

01:07:33.240 generator that you own can be fed by propane, be fed by diesel, and you could stockpile that

01:07:39.940 guaranteeing that you'll have power for an extended period of time. So when you do run out of food and

01:07:45.560 you have no options and, and then you've got to source food, you don't, you have the ability to

01:07:50.420 store it. I mean, look, I, I, I live in Utah. There's a book of preparedness based on the idea

01:07:57.420 of, uh, Mormons being displaced. One, they were displaced from, from our country and pushed out

01:08:03.820 in ears. Um, but they had to build reliance in that model because now, uh, we can't depend on,

01:08:11.180 of the American system to support us. We have to depend on ourselves. So what I would look at is

01:08:16.740 developing a community of assets that's friends and family that you could depend on to source,

01:08:23.720 uh, your, your most impactful skill sets together. So if you're a security guy, I'm a security guy

01:08:31.000 because I'm a special operations guy. I think that way I could, I could take that burden in a group.

01:08:36.860 Then you got your homesteaders. You got people who are good at growing food. I suck at growing

01:08:40.260 food. My goats just ate all my food that I spent three months. Hey, you can shoot those goats if

01:08:45.620 you needed to though. I know that they're next on the list. So, so, so when I, when I look at,

01:08:51.100 uh, sourcing, uh, experts, it's also bringing people together and going, Hey, let's task organize.

01:08:58.200 If something happened, how are we going to fend and take care of ourselves? Uh, and the stable is a

01:09:03.620 survival of shelter, of food, of water. Those are basic skill sets. We need to start thinking about

01:09:09.900 those things. Look, we've already saw what happens in COVID-19 when the supply chain that mostly comes

01:09:15.440 out of California, which is pushing through a semi-truck rigs into your local Walmart,

01:09:20.820 that local Walmart, uh, on a two week cycle can replenish itself in a pandemic. It's got a couple

01:09:28.840 of day cycle. And then what do you do when you go there and the media is accusing you? They're like,

01:09:34.520 look at you guys panicking. Like I used to, I joked around with people and I thought it was funny

01:09:39.260 where people were going, look at all those idiots getting all their stuff. Well, what's the

01:09:43.720 alternative? Because if you were prepared, you already did this. And if you're making fun of the

01:09:48.400 people in line, what do you have? Probably nothing. So you're either prepared and making fun of the

01:09:54.220 ill-prepared or you're not prepared making fun of the people who are doing their best. So, uh, I don't

01:10:00.500 want to be there. I want you to think about it in advance. Um, anything that you can get,

01:10:05.360 cause I don't like to say, you know, go out, buy 10 acres in the middle of nowhere and start your

01:10:10.240 homestead. Uh, that's my personal desire, but most people can't do that. I mean, that's what I did.

01:10:15.200 So I'm, I'm up here in rural Maine, we got 50 acres and there's like 4,000 people in this area and

01:10:22.140 that's it. So that, that's what I did when you said, don't do, maybe not do that. I'm like, that's what

01:10:26.400 I did. And that's, that's a beautiful thing. I shouldn't even say that. Cause then a whole

01:10:31.240 bunch of people will fluctuate or flux to Maine. I, yeah, Maine's a little, Maine's a little hidden

01:10:35.840 gem, man. Well, you got to survive the winter. That's the beautiful thing about here is we got

01:10:39.960 seven months of winter and I'm, I've got like my flannel on right now. Cause I'm cold as shit,

01:10:44.280 but I'd rather deal with this cold a little bit for six or seven months and keep people out of here.

01:10:49.720 Cause they can't deal with it. I like that. I like that idea. And Maine's got great soil.

01:10:54.360 Uh, you can grow great orchards and, and, and grow a lot of good food. Um, I like, I want people

01:11:01.160 just to be more dependent. Like if somebody asked me like, Mike, what can I do right now? Consolidate

01:11:07.500 debt, get rid of debt, consolidate your debt, get rid of it. Start focusing on redistributing your

01:11:13.800 assets. So if you got a fancy car that you, you drive a couple of days a year, sell that damn car

01:11:21.140 and then start looking at resourcing land and building your infrastructure. Uh, we bring down

01:11:27.380 the pillars into advancing yourself, advancing your, uh, mobility capability, which is, you know,

01:11:33.360 snowmobiles, bikes, cars, et cetera, and then advancing your homestead. Um, yeah, man, that's

01:11:39.880 a good start point. I know that's a lot of stuff. That's a good start point. I mean, it's a lot of

01:11:43.940 stuff, but the beauty of what we're talking about here is, you know, we could probably talk for five or

01:11:47.900 six hours, but also you've got all the resources available and, and, and the power of what we're

01:11:53.640 doing is like, we can introduce hundreds of thousands of men to these concepts and they get

01:11:58.280 a little taste of it with what we're doing here in this conversation. And then guys, the resources

01:12:02.400 are available. So if you're like, Hey, I need to dive into how to pay off debt, or I need to know

01:12:07.420 more about homesteading than Mike's your guy. Like he's got a bunch of valuable, valuable

01:12:12.340 information, including how to build a community. I've got a neighbor here who I work very, very

01:12:19.280 closely with. He does favors for me. I do favors for him and we don't keep score and we don't keep

01:12:25.060 track, but I know if shit hits the fan, he's going to take care of us to a degree and vice versa. He

01:12:30.260 can rely upon me for that. So there's also the power of banding together with other people in your

01:12:34.640 community and serving those individuals. Yeah. Lastly on that piece, I would say if you live in a

01:12:40.720 densely populated area, you're going to be the first to be affected because, um, what people

01:12:47.860 weren't meant to do is live on top of each other, right? This is a completely different architecture

01:12:53.440 when you take people and you're trying to optimize space and you stack them. So when you take a heavily

01:13:00.420 metropolitan area, one, they're swinging the vote. That's the reason that you're dealing with these

01:13:05.040 political issues that are manifesting themselves into homelessness, spikes in crime, uh, suicide,

01:13:10.720 drugs, et cetera. But you see those problems there because of the population. So when you're fighting

01:13:17.040 for the same resources that aren't advanced, like the resources aren't stacked, the resources are more

01:13:22.940 rural. So you have a, if you could take the analogy, like a skyscraper or an apartment building, that

01:13:30.120 apartment building has way too many people, people on it, but the outlining lining areas where the

01:13:36.740 restaurants, where the Walmarts, where all the things are, they're just getting by when the

01:13:41.280 infrastructure collapses and all those people fight and fend for the same resources, then things

01:13:46.080 will turn from a natural disaster potentially into a man-made disaster where you'll be fighting and

01:13:51.020 fending for your life. So if you live in those areas and you have to have a plan to bug out because

01:13:56.680 you're not bugging in and if you have the ability to bug out, bug out. And if you have the ability

01:14:02.920 even more so stay out, I don't want anything to do with a city. It's why I live in Heber above Salt

01:14:08.460 Lake city because I got the high ground. Anybody coming up to this pass is going to get it and

01:14:12.840 we'll be protected up here. That's interesting. How much do you enlist your neighbors? Because

01:14:17.100 there's going to be people who believe in what you're saying to varying degrees. Do you find those,

01:14:21.680 those men and families who believe in what you're believing and do you help them with their food

01:14:26.500 storage? Like what is it that you personally do within your community to, to help, uh, shore

01:14:31.700 yourself up, frankly? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, we, we do, we members dot it's members

01:14:37.620 dot American contingency.com or American contingency.com. We actually have 300 groups in America,

01:14:44.100 about 50,000 members of people on their own accord who are amassing and grouping and getting

01:14:51.660 to know each other, having meats, training together, breaking bread together, helping each

01:14:56.180 other's families out. We don't advertise this because I don't, I don't need to advertise it

01:15:00.040 in market because it's, it's not about business. It's about community. We have like when the tropical

01:15:05.380 depression, which was a, uh, a cat for a hurricane hit Louisiana and ripped through Alabama, we had

01:15:11.580 groups deploying to help other people in groups to help their community. So look, it's like when I tell

01:15:19.480 people it's like team Rubicon with guns, like we're also focused on the security, you know, like

01:15:24.840 if, if a group and community bands together, which is the entire point of American contingency,

01:15:30.000 which stem from radical leftists in this case, migrating into suburban or, or, or rural areas

01:15:38.280 where people lived in their homes, kicking in their doors, walking through the yards, threatening

01:15:44.280 people in neighborhoods, families, and law abiding citizens that when the law enforcement agencies

01:15:50.860 that were a taxpayer and enforcing those laws, didn't do anything about that. I said, well, I'll

01:15:57.660 do something about it. I'll, I'll, I'll tell people how to do something about it. It's not a radical idea.

01:16:03.860 It's called protecting yourself from radical human beings who want to do you harm. And so I want people

01:16:10.220 to band together in these communities, talk about security, talk about a plan of action,

01:16:15.020 talk about leveraging assets and help build that rapport that we've lost. I mean, people scowl at

01:16:20.840 their neighbor for checking their, their, their, their physical snail mail. It's like, who's that

01:16:25.240 dude? It's like, it's your neighbor. Like we go into apartment complexes and we hide. It's like,

01:16:30.540 oh wait, there's somebody out there. I'll wait until they leave. Cause we don't want to interact with

01:16:34.700 people because our virtual life on our cell phones, more important than our actual life in our real world.

01:16:40.220 Man, it's true. Like I'll tell you, I've got three neighbors in this little area here and they've

01:16:46.060 all got keys to my house actually. Like they literally have keys to my house and we went on

01:16:53.380 vacation not too long ago. We asked some neighbors to take care of the place and the garden and the

01:16:58.280 pets and whatnot. And then I had another neighbor who sent me a text and said, Hey Ryan, I noticed you

01:17:03.880 had a few packages or a few pieces of mail on your, your front step. I just picked those up and I went

01:17:09.480 and put them in your bar and I hope you don't mind. I'm like, hell no, I don't mind. Like that's

01:17:12.740 exactly what we're supposed to be doing for each other, but it also takes some initiative. And I,

01:17:17.380 and I just feel like a lot of people it's frustrating, just aren't willing to take that

01:17:21.260 initiative. And it's, it's, it's going to be our demise at some point, whether that's an intruder

01:17:25.920 who tries to break into your home or something more catastrophic, like we're talking about here.

01:17:31.080 Yeah. That's the whole premise behind Phil Krause survival, which is if you don't pay attention,

01:17:39.500 you'll just be a victim. And that that's, that that's the sad reality of it. But if you did pay

01:17:46.580 attention and you just did some things right, then you're likely and statistically not to be a victim.

01:17:53.420 So all we're doing is advocating for you just to pay attention and, and, and build, rebuild the

01:18:00.300 relationships that we used to build when we were growing up. And, and I, I think a lot of people

01:18:05.880 are woke to that new reality in a good way, in a positive way. Um, or they won't pay attention to

01:18:13.380 attack us, cause preppers, cause radicals, cause extremists and paranoid people. And then they won't

01:18:20.100 be prepared. It's the same people who made fun of all the people standing in line. Like,

01:18:24.280 like I remember one assessment, this guy was making fun of all these people in line, getting paper

01:18:27.940 towels. And I looked at the line, I went, all those people are elderly. They're old. So they probably

01:18:34.340 don't watch TV or, or they do watch TV and they live alone. They don't have a lot. They don't have

01:18:39.720 people to go out and get stuff for them. They don't have the ability to navigate the internet to get

01:18:44.820 stuff. So they go out like normal Americans and they try to do the best with what they got.

01:18:50.240 I'd rather be that person than the person who's making fun of them for being paranoid when they

01:18:55.480 don't have anything stockpiled or prepared because it's too good for them. And that's most people in

01:19:02.380 America. I think that's a good point. I mean, and look, I've been guilty of that too. You know,

01:19:06.600 see, you see, you see the person at the grocery store, especially last year who had all the toilet

01:19:11.080 paper and it's like, well, you know, that's a little wild, but okay, well they're a little late

01:19:15.620 to the party, but at least they're doing something, you know, at least they're making a good decision

01:19:19.100 rather than poking at everybody else and leaving themselves exposed to what could potentially

01:19:22.720 happen. Yeah. I mean, look, a lot, most Americans are just doing the best they can because they're

01:19:29.340 middle America. I mean, they're, they're, they're blue collar people. I mean, I grew up blue collar.

01:19:34.580 I grew up poor. I mean, I grew up below the poverty line. I was not middle-class and, and I know

01:19:40.920 what that feels like when, you know, your dad's just trying to make ends meet, you know, you're

01:19:46.100 like eating ramen and hot dogs for dinner every night. You don't have enough money for dinner,

01:19:52.420 let alone to prep a whole bunch of stuff. So what I want people to understand is, um, it doesn't have

01:20:00.460 to be complicated. It doesn't have to be expensive. It just, you just have to be conscious to it. So

01:20:05.300 that means having a conversation with your neighbor, like, Hey, Hey Chuck, um, look, I've never thought

01:20:10.340 about this before, but you know, I listened to this podcast and they were talking about some things

01:20:14.840 and, you know, maybe we should have a conversation of like, what happens if a hurricane rips through

01:20:19.460 here or, you know, worst case scenario, there's a riot or, or there's, there's, um, you know,

01:20:25.280 a man-made disaster. How are we going to pull our resources? That's all I'm asking. Uh, you don't

01:20:31.060 have to buy a shirt for me. You don't have to buy a kit for me. You don't have to do anything. I just

01:20:35.040 want people to be better prepared because I know one day it's likely to happen in my own

01:20:39.180 backyard. And if I could advocate it, um, then we can get through it. I just see the writing on

01:20:45.620 the wall and I've, I've saw it for a long time. And a lot of people with my background see it.

01:20:51.000 And I'm not a dummy. I'm a, I'm a student of history and I'm also an expert in operational

01:20:56.720 planning. I just want to make sure that Americans especially are taking care of themselves and each

01:21:02.480 other. Well, and, and, and to compliment you, uh, one thing that I think you've done very well

01:21:08.300 is you've, you've become the solution to your own problem. And I, and I think that's what you're

01:21:13.480 advocating for that. We, as men ought to consider what could potentially go wrong and start proposing

01:21:20.840 and presenting and creating solutions to our own problems, because the, the, the likelihood of a

01:21:28.100 police officer, for example, getting here in time, uh, if somebody decides to break into my home

01:21:33.500 is, is diminished. It's, it's, it's not as good as me being able to react and respond to that

01:21:39.320 appropriately. Right. So we need to figure out a way to become the solutions to our own problems.

01:21:44.600 And I think that's what you're advocating for. That's what you seem to be doing. And that's what

01:21:48.300 your, your programs and your courses and your information seem to be doing as well.

01:21:52.400 Yeah. A hundred percent. Like you, you are your own first response and just, just own that

01:21:58.040 responsibility. It's nobody else's responsibility, but yours.

01:22:00.880 Yeah. Well, how do we connect with you, man? If the guys are hearing this and like, okay, well,

01:22:05.100 yeah, good. I'm on board. What do I need to do? Like, where do we direct them? How do we get them

01:22:08.760 on board and get them started? Yeah. It's everything. Philcraft survival. I mean,

01:22:12.900 that's our YouTube channel, which has a lot of content, um, for free on education of how to be

01:22:18.660 better prepared. It's our podcast, the Philcraft survival podcast. It's a, my personal podcast is called

01:22:24.900 Mike force, uh, named after the, um, um, uh, quick reaction force units in Vietnam. And then,

01:22:32.860 uh, Instagrams, Facebook, it's all the same Philcraft. And my personal Instagram is at

01:22:39.340 Mike dot a dot Glover. And I do a lot of posting about, you know, pro tips and things that I live

01:22:45.360 and think about to make people better prepared. So yeah, it's a, it's a lot of stuff. It doesn't

01:22:52.080 cost you any money. It's podcasts like yours. It's, it's YouTube videos. Um, maybe we'll plant

01:22:58.680 the seed and then you can come train with us. It's a philcraftsurvival.com is our, our website

01:23:03.160 as well. Right on them. We'll sync it all up. So the guys know where to go again. I appreciate

01:23:07.580 you and everything that you're doing. I'm glad we finally synced up and, uh, just got to tell you,

01:23:11.920 keep up the good work. I know you're a busy man, but it seems to me you're doing the right things

01:23:15.640 and I honor, appreciate you for that. So thanks for joining us today. No, thanks for having me. And it was a

01:23:20.560 privilege and honor. And, um, I hope to, uh, um, get back on the podcast and, and, uh, if there's

01:23:26.480 any updates or anything else, hopefully you get some good feedback on this. And I appreciate what

01:23:30.300 you're doing as well. Cause having these conversations through the myriad of professionals

01:23:35.460 and guests you have is one of the best ways to learn. And I'm a fan and, uh, I know a lot of guys

01:23:40.060 are. Thanks brother. We'll get you back on. This is just a start. Thanks man. All right, gentlemen,

01:23:45.280 there you go. My conversation with the one and only Mike Glover. As I said earlier, he is one of

01:23:50.440 my most all time requested guests. We finally were able to make it happen. He's a busy guy.

01:23:54.900 I'm a busy guy. You're a busy guy, but we made this work because it's important for me to get

01:23:59.320 this information to you, uh, to help you become a better protector, provider, presider. Again,

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01:24:21.440 So that's exciting guys. We've got a lot going on and I owe that to you, to the importance of the

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Order of Man - October 19, 2021

MIKE GLOVER ｜ American Contingency

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