Order of Man - MIKE GLOVER ｜ How to Survive Worst-Case Scenarios

00:00:00.000 Many of us have been in some horrible circumstances between war and rioting, home invasion, active shooter situations, natural disasters, civil unrest, and of course so much more.

00:00:11.000 I think it's becoming increasingly common to find ourselves in life and death struggles, and we must not be unprepared for when that day arrives.

00:00:18.800 My guest today, Mike Glover, formerly in the Special Forces and CIA contractor, joins me today to talk about ensuring we are prepared should we encounter one of these moments.

00:00:28.860 We discuss his latest book, Prepared, Increasing Risk Tolerance, Fortifying Your Home and Equipping Your Vehicle, The Importance of Self-Discipline, Also Paranoia and the Law of Diminishing Returns, Peacocking, something we've heard about in the past, for safety, policing each other, and ultimately surviving worst case scenarios.

00:00:48.100 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:58.100 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:12.740 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. You probably know if you've been with us for any amount of time what we're all about here.

00:01:22.100 It's my goal to give you interesting conversations that are going to serve you in some way and give you the information that you can take and you can apply in your own life and you can use it for the betterment of yourself and your people, your family, your colleagues, your coworkers, your neighbors, your community members, everybody that you care about.

00:01:38.480 And this one is right in line with that. We're going to be talking with a former guest, Mike Glover. He's wrote a new book called Prepared a Manual for Surviving Worst Case Scenarios.

00:01:49.860 And very excited about this one. Dug through the book. This conversation went really, really well.

00:01:55.440 We also talked about some current events that need to be addressed and why we might find ourself in a similar situation and what we should do about it.

00:02:04.100 And we have a really good conversation. Before we get into it, just want to mention to you that the Iron Council, our exclusive brotherhood, is opening up again next week.

00:02:13.900 I'm going to talk more about it during the break, but for now, if you're interested, head to orderaman.com slash Iron Council.

00:02:19.620 This is over 1,200 men working together, communicating, sharing ideas, talking about our struggles, giving each other ideas and lessons, hard-fought and hard-earned lessons on how to grow, how to succeed, how to win in every facet of life.

00:02:37.100 So again, you can check that out at orderaman.com slash Iron Council.

00:02:42.820 All right, guys, I want to jump into this one. We're going to introduce you to Mike. Again, his name is Mike Glover.

00:02:47.460 He spent 18 years in the U.S. Army and also as a government contractor for OGA.

00:02:53.800 He served as a sergeant major in the Special Forces in various positions and deployed multiple times to combat theaters.

00:03:02.260 He is an expert in counterterrorism, security, crisis management operations.

00:03:08.080 He's also the host of the Fieldcraft Survival Podcast on iTunes, and he's an avid outdoorsman.

00:03:14.060 He does a lot of overlanding. We talk a little bit about that in the podcast.

00:03:16.560 He's a hunter. He's got his bachelor's degree in Homeland Security.

00:03:20.460 Guys, this is a phenomenally qualified individual to talk about being prepared and making sure that we can take care of our own and others.

00:03:30.340 He's also the CEO of Fieldcraft Survival.

00:03:32.840 So if you want training, information, resources, equipment on how to supplement what we're going to be talking about today,

00:03:39.000 Fieldcraft Survival is a great resource for that one. Enjoy this one, guys.

00:03:42.820 Mike, what's up, man? Great to see you again and have you back on the podcast.

00:03:47.880 Ryan, thanks for having me on, man.

00:03:49.580 It sounds like you were saying you've just been doing the marathon podcasting circuit at this point.

00:03:55.520 Yeah, I think that's part of it.

00:03:56.720 You know, when you do a book, you want to attempt to get out to every broader audience that you can get into.

00:04:04.080 So, yeah, it's the marathon, but I can't complain. And I'm just trying to be like Jack Carr. That's what I'm trying to be.

00:04:10.020 We're all trying to be like Jack Carr. So welcome to the club. I saw that he did the forward for you and you couldn't ask for a better guy.

00:04:17.920 I actually met Jack years ago and you know how I knew he was a good guy is I went and did a podcast at his place.

00:04:24.800 He said, hey, hey, before you leave, I got something for you. I'm like, OK.

00:04:27.840 He's like, here's some elk from the elk that my daughter and I shot.

00:04:30.760 I'm like, I like you, man. I like you.

00:04:33.300 That's the best gift you can give, dude.

00:04:35.160 For sure. Well, last year I got a moose and I was thinking, you know what?

00:04:38.240 Next time I go visit Jack, I got to I got to return the favor and bring him some moose meat.

00:04:42.940 Oh, that'd be good, man. You've you've done his podcast in here in Park City.

00:04:49.000 Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a good it's such a good podcast.

00:04:51.860 But, dude, I mean, moose is in his backyard.

00:04:55.620 I know. Isn't that wild?

00:04:56.920 It's crazy. It's there's animals everywhere. But I want to bag a moose, too.

00:05:00.360 When you say moose, like my lips start.

00:05:02.840 Oh, so are you in are you in Park City, too?

00:05:05.920 I'm I could almost see his house from my house.

00:05:08.660 OK, I'm in Hebrew City, like kind of right down the hill.

00:05:12.860 Yeah, but right down the road.

00:05:14.420 OK, we'll bring you some moose, too, man. We'll get you hooked up as well.

00:05:17.080 I love it. Moose is my favorite, too.

00:05:19.320 You know, that's that's interesting because I think it leads into the conversation.

00:05:22.760 You know, I've got a couple of freezers worth of meat over here.

00:05:25.340 And I think it leads into the conversation specifically as it relates to being prepared.

00:05:30.880 And I think naturally we lean more towards situational awareness, towards maybe firearms training or some sort of self-defense.

00:05:37.800 But I think one area that gets often overlooked is making sure that you have food storage, home fortification.

00:05:43.540 Some of those things that you talk about in the book.

00:05:46.160 Yeah, we break it down into what's called homestead, which are the tangible elements of preparedness.

00:05:51.680 Like you said, a lot of people weigh in favor of things that are cool.

00:05:55.240 Like, you don't go to the gym working legs, right?

00:05:57.880 You do chest and tris because it's it's cool.

00:06:01.080 It's it's visually appealing.

00:06:02.640 But when you look at the the needs, desires, they're very different things when it comes to survival and homestead or having food, water, hygiene, all the things to sustain your survivability is important.

00:06:16.400 And even on the topic of hunting, period, outside of storing your freezer full of meat that you harvested, the journey, the training, all the things in anticipation for the lead up, the shot, that whole process is a magical and beautiful journey.

00:06:32.980 And like, you know, like Jack Carr did it with his his child.

00:06:36.360 That would be something more along the lines that we're trying to teach and preparedness than, you know, your EDC pistol.

00:06:43.020 Well, I think if you get that right, and here's what I'm understanding from you is if you get that component, I think you talk about it as the resilient mindset.

00:06:52.140 And if you focus on the resilient mindset, what I've noticed is that you're probably going to be more creative if you get yourself into a situation that you're not completely prepared for.

00:07:02.380 You're going to be able to adapt and improvise a little bit better.

00:07:05.820 And that's that's why I like that you started it with the mindset, because all those other little puzzle pieces can backfill once you have the right mindset.

00:07:13.640 Yeah, the hard skills are the easy fill in.

00:07:15.740 I think starting with the foundation the right way would be mindset.

00:07:19.940 And for us, resilience is the most important part of mindset.

00:07:24.180 Certainly, there are there are other attributes that are important, like having a warrior mindset, a conflict resolution, the things that you think about often.

00:07:32.360 But being resilient, which is literally being able to get back on your feet after you've been knocked down is leans on the side of adaptability.

00:07:41.380 And I would say the number one characteristic in survival period is being able to adapt.

00:07:45.840 So it's very important.

00:07:47.620 And it starts with not like some high speed exposure, no base jumping.

00:07:53.560 It starts with like a conversation with yourself and then exposing yourself to new challenges, which could be the workout of the day, a new hobby, camping and fishing and all these outdoor activities, hunting.

00:08:06.700 And so it doesn't have to be outside of your reach or your grasp.

00:08:11.120 Yeah.

00:08:11.240 What do you think people struggle with when it comes to that mindset?

00:08:16.800 It seems like people generally, probably not as much the circles that you're running in, but generally, I would say general population tends to believe that everything will be okay, that we have first responders that will handle these situations.

00:08:30.780 And then they find themselves wanting or caught off guard.

00:08:34.280 But what are some of the pitfalls and traps that average ordinary people like me fall into with regards to the mindset?

00:08:40.580 Yeah, it's an interesting topic because it does most certainly translate to civilians or outside of the institution.

00:08:48.980 And that's for good reason, right?

00:08:50.300 Because the institution forces your hand, like you're voluntold.

00:08:54.260 And when you set and prescribe yourself to a routine, a pattern of life that sets you up for success, you're optimized.

00:09:02.520 But we know like being part of the institution and being dialed because you're optimized for performance or just succeeding when you're on your own, that's the real challenge.

00:09:13.320 Like when you have nobody telling you to do something, that's the real difficulty.

00:09:16.980 And I think self-discipline, that whole Jocko discipline is actually freedom because when you have the discipline and you create your own criteria, your own habits, you start to develop as a person.

00:09:31.000 And I think a lot of people have a hard time.

00:09:33.540 It's easy to conceptualize, philosophize about your mindset and being a certain way.

00:09:38.780 It's hard to actually do it.

00:09:40.040 So being able to take what you want and then bridge the gap with planning to execute that, I think is the missing component.

00:09:49.480 It's actually the next part of the next parts that we talk about is planning.

00:09:53.220 Because if you don't know how to execute because you're so enthralled with the ability to think through these things, if you don't have the ability to execute and actually do the things, then you're not going to be successful.

00:10:04.940 You could have, you know, that whole mindset is everything is very popular to say out loud, but it's like, how do I get there?

00:10:12.240 And I think that's what we're trying to do is bridge the gap.

00:10:15.020 Yeah, I think I've thought about that even with regards to this podcast, a lot of the guys listening, and I fall into this trap as well.

00:10:20.280 When I listen to other podcasts, we love to spend time pontificating on self-help and self-development.

00:10:26.140 And if in this situation, I would do that, in that situation, I would do this.

00:10:29.300 And we actually believe that we're moving the needle when we're consuming information.

00:10:34.600 And so you'll hear guys, especially in like a physical altercation.

00:10:38.880 I hear guys, well, you know, if I was in that situation, I'd kick his ass.

00:10:43.700 Show me that you have the capacity.

00:10:45.920 And I'm not, look, I'm not saying I'm better than anybody else in that department.

00:10:49.140 I'm just, if you're going to say that, show me that you have the capacity to handle getting sucker punched in the face and then getting yourself out of that situation.

00:10:58.020 If you don't have any experience in that, why do we believe that we can handle that when that situation arises?

00:11:04.160 Yeah, that's, you and I have identified that.

00:11:06.500 We've talked about it, both you on your podcast and on your social and me as well, that a lot of things that we see in social media is a lot of virtue signaling are reality.

00:11:19.180 And often that's virtual.

00:11:21.020 And so there's a big difference between people talking in an echo chamber or a void and the real things that happen.

00:11:27.400 I mean, a lot of people say, well, Mike, I want to be as successful as you.

00:11:30.700 I said, well, there's 10 years of me running this business where I wasn't on social media.

00:11:36.520 When I get off of social media, get off the podcast, get off the YouTube channel, I'm doing all the things that need to run this business and move it forward.

00:11:45.080 So be prepared to work.

00:11:46.620 And I think that, like you said, that's a difficult bridge to get to gap space because when you have the ability to dream up all the things you want to be, but you don't have the tools necessarily to make that to come to fruition.

00:12:01.300 You need to get help there.

00:12:03.860 And often all the things that you see in consumption of information or even dissemination of information, getting people hyped for the thing doesn't include instructions to actually do the thing, which is why I think part of this book is important.

00:12:16.300 Yeah. How do you recommend that guys who, you know, they're going to hear this podcast, they probably follow you to some degree.

00:12:23.600 They followed what we've been doing for a while and they're thinking to themselves, yeah, I would love to be prepared for all of these different scenarios that may happen in life.

00:12:30.560 But how do you prepare yourself for uncertainty, unknown variables that are hard to simulate in training environments?

00:12:40.500 What do you suggest to a guy like that who is interested?

00:12:42.420 Yeah, I think the best approach is to use statistical probability.

00:12:48.220 I'm a big fan of stats, right?

00:12:49.680 You know, a lot of people, they carry the EDC and the waistband pistol, but they don't carry the tourniquet.

00:12:55.580 And statistically, the accident, coming across it or being a victim yourself, especially in car accidents where 40,000 people die a year, are much more likely than being in the self-defense gunfight.

00:13:07.920 But, you know, not saying to not have the pistol, but have the tourniquet as well.

00:13:12.940 When you look at statistical probability, the story will also tell you that you need to develop course of actions based on the highest probability determined by your environment.

00:13:24.560 So if you live in Florida, you're not going to practice for earthquakes because that natural disaster is not likely.

00:13:29.760 But if you're in California, you're not going to practice for hurricanes because that's not likely.

00:13:34.520 So if you take your world and you're looking to become more prepared, take the things that you're likely deficient in because there's a statistical probability of it going wrong and you don't have the tools.

00:13:47.740 And that starts with a conversation.

00:13:49.220 What I tell people all the time is course of action development or a conversation is course of action development and what we called war gaming in the military.

00:13:58.160 That was a deliberate training process that Green Berets do in an ISO facility for a week.

00:14:03.880 I mean, we'll talk through every eventuality, every contingency, every devil advocate play in order to develop and derive a sound plan with backups.

00:14:14.860 So if you're thinking about self-defense, for example, and you say, honey, if somebody came to the door right now, what would you do about it?

00:14:22.380 And most guys' responses would be like, yeah, you know what I do about that.

00:14:26.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:26.920 It's like, I'm the cool guy.

00:14:28.240 It's like, yeah, but what if the guy had a gun?

00:14:30.640 Like, oh, well, I have a gun.

00:14:32.100 It's like, where's your gun?

00:14:33.660 Where is it?

00:14:34.280 Oh, yeah, it's upstairs in the light stand.

00:14:36.600 In the closet or whatever.

00:14:36.980 In the closet.

00:14:37.600 And so what you're doing in that is you're becoming vulnerable, talking through courses of action and identifying weaknesses.

00:14:46.500 So if you make a list of all the weaknesses and deficiencies, this isn't just, this is like life and the self-defense scenario and the fire plan for your house and your family.

00:14:56.020 You start identifying all those deficiencies and then you work one step at a time at making those liabilities your assets.

00:15:03.180 So I don't have a pistol downstairs anywhere.

00:15:07.140 Maybe I should start with a storm door.

00:15:09.640 Like, hey, is the door locked?

00:15:11.560 You know, do we have a CCTV camera?

00:15:14.000 That redundancy and those weaknesses identified simply happen in course of action development through a conversation.

00:15:21.380 I think that's important.

00:15:22.340 A lot of people don't want to talk about their weaknesses.

00:15:24.980 But when you do that, that's when you can start repairing them.

00:15:28.880 And you talk about it often about routines and habits.

00:15:31.780 That's when you can start making these routines and habits part of your everyday life, fixing liabilities and turning them into assets.

00:15:40.620 Which, again, this is a thing that's like constantly needs work.

00:15:46.420 This is not a pinnacle moment.

00:15:48.140 I'm sitting on a platform.

00:15:49.460 I'm prepared.

00:15:50.840 This is like every single day we got to work at it.

00:15:52.960 Like we got to work at being better men, better husbands, better whatever.

00:15:56.880 This is a constant work ethic.

00:15:58.820 So apply that like you do going to the gym to improve your physical body.

00:16:03.720 Do that with all things preparedness.

00:16:05.740 I think it's a good start point.

00:16:07.380 I think that's a good way to say it because a lot of the times when we look at our deficiencies in home preparation, for example, we might look at it and say, holy shit.

00:16:14.800 Like I have so much room for improvement and I've got to pour in tens of thousands of dollars to make sure I have all of this in place.

00:16:21.960 When the first step might just be putting longer screws on the strike plate on your door, right?

00:16:27.020 And it's like, do that today because that's low hanging fruit.

00:16:29.800 Go get you a ring camera that's going to cost you, I don't know, 500 bucks to get completely set up with a ring camera or something like that.

00:16:36.160 And then just start working at it.

00:16:38.740 But I do like that you're talking about vulnerabilities and you're using it from my perspective in the correct way, not the new age way of viewing at it, which is like just be vulnerable for the sake of being vulnerable.

00:16:49.760 But you're talking about looking at vulnerabilities and deficiencies for the sole reason of fixing them, getting better, looking at where you're weak so you can make that a strength.

00:16:59.640 Yeah, I think incrementally we could all improve.

00:17:03.300 And when you look at vulnerabilities, it doesn't necessarily have to be an emotional obstacle.

00:17:08.680 It could be, hey, these are my technical weaknesses and I could technically make them strengths.

00:17:15.640 And like you said, like even the screw plates, the longer screws in that take you a couple minutes to fix.

00:17:21.780 What we what often happens is we get overwhelmed because we realize there are too many deficiencies.

00:17:27.860 There are so many it's overwhelming to us.

00:17:30.140 So we kind of get paralysis through analysis.

00:17:32.400 What I'm saying is make the list, prioritize what's most important in that list list and start knocking them out one step at a time.

00:17:41.520 And then all of a sudden you start building you start building confidence in your game.

00:17:46.500 It's the same thing that you do when you look at your like health and nutrition or physical fitness.

00:17:50.680 You go, man, my legs suck.

00:17:53.720 They don't have strength.

00:17:54.900 They don't have agility.

00:17:55.620 Well, then you're going to start one compound exercise at a time and then culminate with endurance.

00:18:02.380 That's how we're looking at this incremental small victories one step at a time.

00:18:06.720 Yeah, I actually have a real world experience of what you're talking about with looking at your environment and planning for the statistical probability of something going wrong.

00:18:15.800 When we moved to Maine several years ago, we moved to a corner that was a pretty dangerous corner.

00:18:21.380 And I had a lot of people tell me there's a ton of accidents here, ton of accidents, ton of accidents.

00:18:25.240 I go, okay, whatever, you know, and that's not really anything outside of some minor fender benders that I've been involved with or have seen.

00:18:32.860 And I remember the first accident and I went out there and I'm like, what the hell?

00:18:36.580 Like, I don't know what to do.

00:18:38.000 I have no idea what I need to do here.

00:18:39.860 But we probably saw, and I'm not exaggerating on this.

00:18:43.540 I would say over the course of nearly four years, we probably saw 30 accidents on that corner.

00:18:50.880 Yeah.

00:18:51.020 I mean, insane.

00:18:51.820 One of the most dangerous corners in America, actually.

00:18:54.520 And by the time that we left, we moved back to Utah.

00:18:57.900 But by the time we left, I remember the last accident and it was a pretty serious accident.

00:19:01.400 Fortunately, nobody was hurt.

00:19:02.320 But it was really interesting to watch my family react.

00:19:06.200 You know, we had the medical kit by the front door.

00:19:08.480 We always kept a couple of chairs and blankets by the front door because sometimes it was cold.

00:19:12.700 And so we'd run out there.

00:19:14.280 My wife or kids would call the police if they needed to.

00:19:17.880 We had a neighbor down the road who was part of the volunteer fire department.

00:19:21.240 And it was like a well-oiled machine because we had gone through it so many times.

00:19:26.540 And so, yeah, I don't need to plan for all of this other stuff that may not happen.

00:19:29.720 But we became proficient with handling that situation because we were exposed to it so often.

00:19:35.960 That's crazy.

00:19:36.420 I had a similar circumstance when I was in college.

00:19:39.480 And it was at WyoTech, which is like the community college leading into universities in North Carolina.

00:19:45.760 And same deal.

00:19:46.980 Like it happened so often at this one main intersection that I pre-poed a bag.

00:19:52.020 And then it became a battle drill, right?

00:19:53.880 You heard the accident.

00:19:56.280 My significant other at the time knew to call 911.

00:19:59.720 She knew I was going to grab the bag and go to see if I could first respond and help because I was on the scene within seconds.

00:20:06.280 First responders were taking minutes.

00:20:08.520 And that's kind of how we look at our lives.

00:20:11.200 The unfortunate thing is a lot of people, because they don't experience the worst case scenario or they're going through denial or they're using their ego and arrogance.

00:20:22.240 When you look at statistical probabilities and all the things, even in the stats, tell you there is a likelihood of danger, a lot of people just ignore it.

00:20:31.900 So you look at motor vehicle accidents, more kids are killed than any population because kids are on their phones.

00:20:39.120 I mean, the average teenager now, according to just recent data, is spending two and a half to three and a half hours a day on social media.

00:20:46.640 That is insane.

00:20:48.120 So when are they doing that?

00:20:49.420 Well, they're doing it as 16-year-olds while driving because a heavy part of that population is getting killed.

00:20:54.900 So make it a roll of thumb, like, honey, as an SOP, you're my daughter, I love you, you will put your cell phone in the center console before you drive.

00:21:04.140 You will not turn on that car, you will not drive without 100% focus.

00:21:08.120 These little incremental changes, even though we are not exposed to them, could save your life.

00:21:13.420 So think about what are the things killing people the most, what are the most dangers in my area based on where I live, and then start adapting to that.

00:21:22.680 Yeah. Well, the other interesting thing is that when you train for certain scenarios, it's applicable in other scenarios.

00:21:30.800 So, like, the one that this last accident that actually caught me really off guard here in Maine is the lady got out and she was pissed.

00:21:40.000 I mean, she was livid and she was ready to throw down.

00:21:43.360 Like, there's a lady that T-boned her.

00:21:45.820 She was from Canada, and you could tell she was pretty distraught.

00:21:49.860 I mean, she hit her for sure, but this lady got out ready to fight.

00:21:53.140 So I had to keep her restrained and keep her back from fighting this other woman.

00:21:58.140 And I had no idea, but I think, you know, the ability to be calm because of just some minor background in jujitsu, like being aware of that sort of confrontation or physicality of it.

00:22:09.600 Like, that translated into that situation that I didn't specifically plan for, but I was ready because we're looking at it from a broad perspective and how you might be able to serve and save people.

00:22:21.940 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:22:22.720 We talk about that in resilience and exposure, but exposure is conditioned stress, right?

00:22:29.240 So you're going through some kind of stress response based on the control of whether it's low-grade or high-grade stress.

00:22:37.780 So high-grade, catastrophe, disaster, low-grade, like everyday problems, things that you roll into.

00:22:42.960 The more conditioned you are for those things, the better you become at reacting, but there's a baseline, right?

00:22:50.880 And often our baseline, our first world problem baseline, like you'll see guys going into fight or flight, banging their head off steering wheels because they're sitting in traffic.

00:23:00.800 Just like this gal gets T-bone, her natural response is to react angrily, likely in a sympathetic nervous response.

00:23:09.160 And so our baseline is slightly skewed, but the more controlled, more conditioned you are, generally speaking, the more likely you are to succeed in a lot of these events, at least if you know what the right answer is.

00:23:21.300 And so like personal security, we teach personal defense.

00:23:24.140 Because when people say, hey, Mike, I want to get into self-defense training, can I come to a range and train with you?

00:23:29.100 I like to do gunfighter, pistol, whatever.

00:23:31.560 I'm like, dude, don't even, don't do that.

00:23:34.540 Technically shooting holes into paper with a bullet on a flat range is easy.

00:23:40.040 That's the technical component.

00:23:41.820 Personal security, we do real live role players and simunitions, but we talk about decision point.

00:23:47.320 We talk about stress and its effect on you.

00:23:49.180 We talk about triggers and trauma and how that might affect your baseline decision-making.

00:23:54.140 And we talk about the shoot and then post-shoot, all the legalities.

00:23:57.940 Those are the complexities that really change things up.

00:24:02.060 And when people are put in those situations, they typically fail.

00:24:05.360 Even the best of, even the gunfighter with all the multi-cam, they make a mistake.

00:24:10.280 And then after that, they realize like, oh, well, that's not how I thought it was going to work.

00:24:15.280 And then when they go back and do it again, dude, they're like a 10X because they were exposed to that condition.

00:24:21.180 They realize what they did wrong and they go back into it and they'll never likely make that mistake again.

00:24:25.920 And I think that's the key is we have to be willing to confront our vulnerabilities, make mistakes, and then repair that and become better and better and better.

00:24:34.380 And that's resilience.

00:24:35.480 I think that's the literal definition of what resilience is.

00:24:37.860 It is interesting though, with that type of training, I was fortunate enough to go train a little bit with Operation Blacksite, Bedros Koulian, Dan Fleischman, and Tim Kennedy was there.

00:24:48.140 And we did some house clearing exercises and Tim was teaching that instruction.

00:24:52.020 And it is interesting because I know the importance of it.

00:24:55.340 It's good to know.

00:24:55.960 I may never use that, but it's still good information to know and good to know how to do it.

00:24:59.480 But even knowing that, I still felt like I didn't want to look stupid.

00:25:05.180 I noticed myself being hesitant because I didn't want to look stupid to Tim or to other people that were watching.

00:25:12.440 And I think that mentality hinders a lot of guys because of our arrogance and ego.

00:25:16.800 It hinders our growth because we're not going to put ourselves in environments where we look dumb.

00:25:20.380 Yeah, dude, that's the tough – I mean, you specialize this with your podcast and the things that you talk about.

00:25:26.820 But the idea of men exposing themselves to vulnerability is not ingrained in our culture.

00:25:35.100 It's certainly ingrained in military culture.

00:25:37.280 It's certainly ingrained in certain institutions.

00:25:40.420 Certain tribes of people have that.

00:25:43.380 I mean, I grew up – let me give you an example.

00:25:44.920 As a special operations guy, I was constantly told I wasn't good enough because you needed to be better.

00:25:52.920 So AARs are brutal in special operations.

00:25:56.160 But before that, I'm half Korean.

00:25:58.400 My mom is a tiger mom.

00:25:59.880 So I grew up where my mom was like, you have something in your teeth.

00:26:04.300 You got a booger in your nose.

00:26:05.660 You're getting fat.

00:26:06.820 You're not good enough.

00:26:07.620 And that kind of culture belonging to that actually made me more resilient than I think most of the guys.

00:26:15.460 And I think that's what's missing in our society for men.

00:26:19.140 And when we look at where men are on the spectrum right now as compared to 20, 30 years ago, a lot of that is because we've become so sensitive to the fact.

00:26:29.740 And a lot of us are emotionally driven, mostly by algorithms that are derived in social media or technology.

00:26:37.120 So it's like we don't have tools to get through conflict resolution and to resolve our problems in a better way.

00:26:46.720 I mean, we do it in the worst of ways.

00:26:49.340 So I think one of the issues that we're facing is complacency is certainly driven by ego and arrogance.

00:26:57.040 We talk about it in the book, ego and arrogance being the downfalls.

00:27:00.400 But it's not just the lady who thinks it will never happen to me.

00:27:05.280 It certainly is the guy who's like, well, I don't need to worry about that stupid stuff.

00:27:10.120 I know what my focus needs to be.

00:27:12.000 And it's typically the EDC inside the waistband, the jujitsu or whatever.

00:27:15.960 I've had jujitsu black belts in my class make really bad mistakes in one-on-one personal security simulation or scenario-based training.

00:27:27.500 And that's because they haven't been exposed to that.

00:27:30.380 Now, if they're on the mats doing a specific thing, they're set up for success.

00:27:34.600 They can rack up those points, right?

00:27:36.760 Yeah, 100%.

00:27:37.680 All of those things include many variables of human behavior.

00:27:42.680 And human behavior is insane.

00:27:44.600 And there are a lot of variables.

00:27:46.140 We just need to pay attention to them.

00:27:47.460 And I hope people listening to this, men listening to this, are like, eh, this dude doesn't sound crazy.

00:27:53.180 Like, maybe I should just give it a shot or listen or whatever.

00:27:56.380 I personally don't care if people do or not.

00:27:59.120 I want them because I want them to weigh on the side of being prepared versus not.

00:28:03.480 But that's an individual and very personal journey that I hope guys especially can get through.

00:28:09.500 Well, one trap I've seen, and I've fallen into this, but I saw this a lot in my financial planning practice.

00:28:14.580 And at this point, almost a decade ago, I would meet with prospective clients and we would look at their plan, their current plan, if they had one, assuming they had one.

00:28:23.960 And I'd look at it and I said, this is a great plan if everything goes right.

00:28:27.100 Like this plan, this plan will work flawlessly.

00:28:30.160 You guys will be able to retire when you want.

00:28:31.900 You'll be able to travel the world and help your kids and your grandkids.

00:28:35.480 You'll be able to do everything if everything goes right.

00:28:37.740 But if we throw one little variable into this equation, this whole thing blows up.

00:28:42.880 And I think that's what we do in these types of situations.

00:28:45.000 We think that, oh, well, you know, an intruder is going to come at this time and do it this way and come through this door.

00:28:50.920 And this is how he's going to behave.

00:28:52.100 And you just said it.

00:28:53.060 People and nature are insane.

00:28:55.700 And you cannot plan based on this perfectly executed scenario that might not actually happen that way.

00:29:05.720 Yeah, I was just talking to Marcus Luttrell and we were talking about Operation Red Wing.

00:29:11.140 I was in third group at the time when that whole thing went down.

00:29:14.260 A couple detachments of my company actually rescued Marcus Luttrell.

00:29:21.220 And when I think about that situation and how that changed my life, a lot of the planning, a lot of the things that I did as a senior leader in the military were based on that experience of not just having a plan, but have the contingency for the plan and all the service support enablers in place to support that plan.

00:29:44.240 So we call this contingency based planning.

00:29:47.160 We're not planning for mission success.

00:29:49.700 We're not planning for everything to go right.

00:29:51.820 We're planning for everything to go wrong.

00:29:53.780 And in that, we have a contingency or a backup to the backup to the backup.

00:29:59.240 And I think that's important.

00:30:00.580 A lot of people, because they live their best life and everything's going right, forget that the whole point of this, you know, a manual for surviving worst case scenarios, the title of the book, we are talking about the worst day of your life.

00:30:13.020 And I'm not talking about zombie apocalypse.

00:30:15.540 I'm talking about a motor vehicle accident where you're flipped upside down in a ditch and you're bleeding out of your femoral artery and you didn't think it was a big deal because it would never happen to you.

00:30:25.960 And now the difference between life and death is a $29 piece of equipment and about five minutes of training.

00:30:32.180 It's like we just need to pay attention.

00:30:35.020 And I think when we plan and we look at contingencies and all the things that we want to affect, plan for things to go wrong and then be prepared for things to happen that way.

00:30:47.120 And when you do, you're expecting it.

00:30:50.040 You have a new framework for expectations and you're like, yeah, no big deal.

00:30:53.540 I could flex really fast because like I said in the beginning of the podcast, adaptability is the number one characteristic of people who live versus people who die in catastrophe.

00:31:03.140 Gentlemen, let me just take a quick timeout, a quick pause from the conversation very quickly.

00:31:07.500 Next week, we're going to be opening up the Iron Council because after being closed for the last several months, we've trained and onboarded over 100 new men.

00:31:17.120 To work with other men on achieving their goals.

00:31:19.200 And now we're, again, back ready to open it up so that you can build out your band of brothers and identify your goals and your objectives and ultimately build the framework and network that you need for accountability, for camaraderie, for brotherhood in your life.

00:31:35.040 Something that's really, really missing in a lot of men's lives.

00:31:39.140 But remember, this is only open for a limited amount of time.

00:31:42.580 We usually only open it for about a two-week window.

00:31:44.580 So you got to get in there as quickly as you can because once we close it, it's going to be another three months before we open it back up.

00:31:51.840 So if you're ready to band with us, or at least you just want to know a little bit more about this thing that you probably heard of called the Iron Council, then head to orderman.com slash ironcouncil.

00:32:01.980 Again, that's orderman.com slash ironcouncil.

00:32:04.700 You can do that right after the conversation.

00:32:06.480 For now, let's get back to it with Mike.

00:32:07.980 At what point does it become paranoia though?

00:32:12.500 Because I've had people, close people in my life where they've gone mental.

00:32:17.200 You know, that like with the food prep stuff, I had somebody in my life who got so far down the prepping rabbit hole that they lost their job and they alienated and ended up eventually losing their family.

00:32:29.520 Because they were so consumed by this paranoia and they couldn't see everything else around them and all of their other responsibilities and obligations.

00:32:39.740 I know that's extreme, but there is a point where I think there's a law of diminishing return on some of this activity.

00:32:44.380 No, I think what you're, that question in itself is so important to talk about in this, this whole concept, that idea of preparedness, because that is the fear why most people don't get involved because they think of that worst case scenario, being a person who's paranoid, who has anxiousness, who has destroyed their life.

00:33:04.260 They're living in a mobile home off grid in Baghdad, Arizona with a tinfoil hat, you know?

00:33:10.100 This one was a Connex buried in the ground.

00:33:12.580 Yeah.

00:33:12.820 And that's even worse.

00:33:13.980 I tell people like the worst idea ever is to bury yourself on the ground because that could literally kill you with a garden hose.

00:33:19.600 I mean, I literally could just ground you out.

00:33:21.800 You just buried your own, you just dug your own, your own grave site.

00:33:26.060 Yeah, right.

00:33:26.520 Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:33:28.220 I think when you look at what preparedness is, one, it's a lifestyle.

00:33:35.200 So again, I'm looking at ways that I can improve my position, my situation.

00:33:40.640 We call it upgrading your fire base.

00:33:42.840 Like always look for ways to upgrade your fire base.

00:33:45.920 But also, preparedness should breed confidence in your overall capability because you have all this capacity, you have all this space, whether it's in your person, your vehicle, your home.

00:33:55.820 It could be figuratively speaking.

00:33:58.180 And then you're building capability within that capacity for space.

00:34:31.740 You are technically preparing for the worst case scenario because if you have to bug out, displace, go from bad to good, you're doing all the things right.

00:34:39.920 So same thing with food and water and all the things at home.

00:34:43.120 I have an entire basement room full of food, water, and all the things, except I'm not storing MREs for the zombie apocalypse because MREs suck.

00:34:53.680 They're really bad for you as well.

00:34:55.340 If you don't want to poop for a week, eat an MRE.

00:34:57.100 But what I do is I use it as like a grocery, like a substation.

00:35:04.040 So I go downstairs with a box.

00:35:06.160 I load all my groceries in.

00:35:07.780 When I go grocery shopping, I shop to resupply the back end of it.

00:35:11.300 Again, making it fun, enjoyable, and a part of my life that is actually going to benefit us, my family.

00:35:21.080 I don't want people to go out there and go, hey, what's the best way to make this extreme as possible to alienate my friends and to make sure my family thinks I'm crazy?

00:35:31.760 That's not what we're trying to accomplish.

00:35:33.380 If most of the things that we teach, you could do through recreation to improve your life, and that's going to benefit your level of preparedness.

00:35:41.200 If it's not, I would say if it's not comfortable, if it's not something you could integrate comfortably, it's not going to be realistic.

00:35:48.460 And you will potentially alienate people around you.

00:35:51.200 So that's why we have to make it kind of enjoyable.

00:35:55.300 Yeah, I like that.

00:35:56.000 I was thinking about it.

00:35:56.740 When we moved back, I didn't have any of my camping gear or equipment, and my kids wanted to go camping.

00:36:01.280 I'm like, cool, let's go camping.

00:36:02.240 I looked.

00:36:02.540 I'm like, I don't have anything, so let's go to Walmart, and we'll get some stuff.

00:36:05.040 And I spent about $500 on a tent and some sleeping bags, but also a water purifier, an alternative fuel source, fire starting kit.

00:36:15.260 These are all basic things that you would need for camping.

00:36:18.480 And also, to your point, these are things that you would need in a situation that you might find yourself in that has more real-world consequences than just going on an overnight campout.

00:36:28.140 Yeah, that's what I love about it.

00:36:29.420 I mean, camping is the perfect way to map this for people.

00:36:33.780 In fact, when people say, Mike, how can I get started?

00:36:36.300 And I say, have you been camping?

00:36:38.260 If the answer is no, go camping.

00:36:40.120 Why?

00:36:40.920 Because all the things that you do in being more self-reliant are things that will help you build your preparedness game.

00:36:47.400 Because really, that's what we're talking about.

00:36:49.620 We're talking about instead of tethering via the umbilical cord, all of the things that you outsource to be more efficient in your life, security, education, medical, all those things.

00:37:01.100 That's fine.

00:37:01.700 But you have to realize, based on the situation we're in now geopolitically in our society, we have to understand that some of those institutions are going to fail.

00:37:12.620 They're going to fragment.

00:37:13.920 They're going to break.

00:37:14.760 And when they do, if you think about insourcing some of these things, you're going to be squared away.

00:37:20.680 Like in the beginning of this, we talked about hunting.

00:37:23.640 Hunting is one of the first start points outside of camping.

00:37:26.480 Because if you hunt, the process is enjoyable, but you're literally taking your own protein that you harvested and putting it in your freezer.

00:37:35.200 Why would that benefit you in preparedness?

00:37:36.520 Well, you're not buying it from Walmart and a piece of styrofoam and plastic and pink gelatin that's bad for your family or bad for your kids or bad for you.

00:37:47.040 So I think there's great start points in this that aren't uncomfortable and crazy that start with camping, start with getting out in the outdoors to build self-reliance.

00:37:57.920 Because that's really all we're talking about.

00:38:00.160 I think about it like I think one of the first times I went camping, I was like, oh, I'll go camping in a sleeping bag tent.

00:38:05.980 This sort of thing.

00:38:06.980 And I went and one of the things I forgot was toilet paper.

00:38:10.900 Oh, yeah.

00:38:11.640 You know, and it's like all of a sudden it sucks.

00:38:14.320 All of a sudden you're introduced to something.

00:38:16.100 You wouldn't think twice about it at home.

00:38:17.720 You're like, yeah, it's not a big deal.

00:38:18.740 But you put yourself in a little minor inconvenience like camping and I'll never forget toilet paper again.

00:38:25.780 I always have a roll.

00:38:26.820 Same thing with hunting.

00:38:27.740 I'm like, I got to roll up this toilet paper and put it in my pocket when I go out hunting.

00:38:31.300 Yeah.

00:38:31.540 I think the most incredibly uncomfortable part of getting outdoors and doing the camping and hunting is hygiene because it's built into our routine and it makes us feel good.

00:38:43.340 So when you tell somebody you can't bring your makeup and you can't shower and you're going to have to shit in a hole, that is very difficult for a lot of human beings to go, oh, yeah, I'm down for that.

00:38:56.640 They're going to be like, really?

00:38:57.600 And then they actually do it and they go, that wasn't so bad.

00:39:02.500 And that whole thing they went through is adapting through adversity.

00:39:07.800 And when they come out on the other end, that's why people become addicted to hunting or addicted to the outdoors and hiking, camping, because they go, I really enjoyed that type of living.

00:39:18.560 Let me get back to that.

00:39:19.980 It's because primarily and ancestrally, we came from that.

00:39:23.940 So it's just giving us a glimpse of what we used to be.

00:39:26.460 And it's important to connect with that world back and forth because that elevates your level of preparedness.

00:39:31.800 Yeah.

00:39:32.200 I want to go back to something and I mock this a little bit, but I want to go back to something you said and you were talking about the EDC.

00:39:38.600 And it's interesting because you'll see guys who do a quote unquote pocket dump.

00:39:42.400 And I'm like, bro, like, come on now.

00:39:44.560 How big are your pockets?

00:39:45.720 Like you're not carrying all that shit around every day, all day.

00:39:48.140 I know that's the case.

00:39:49.160 I'd have to have a 40 pound ruck to be able to carry everything that you say is in your pockets.

00:39:53.380 So what is reasonable for an EDC and what exactly is that?

00:39:58.060 Does that mean you have a bag in your truck or is that just on your person and that's what's considered your EDC?

00:40:03.500 Yeah, good question because a lot of people don't understand what it is at all.

00:40:07.420 They think it's just the inside the waistband pistol.

00:40:10.620 So EDC, everyday carry, for me, for how we teach, is everything from head to toe, including your behavior.

00:40:19.160 I mean, your posture is just as important as the pistol and your waistband because that is the first demeanor hit that people are going to get.

00:40:26.640 And when surveyed, like the most violent offenders in the world that are in prison, when surveyed said what they go after, generally speaking, is the person who's disorganized.

00:40:38.120 So why is that?

00:40:40.000 Well, that means you're dishuffled.

00:40:41.460 You're not organized.

00:40:42.700 You look like you're not squared away.

00:40:44.720 So that could be your clothing.

00:40:46.360 That could be your posture.

00:40:47.320 That could be how you're perceived.

00:40:48.800 So be perceived squared away.

00:40:50.360 When we break it down to like everyday carry and its specifics, again, statistical probability is important.

00:40:56.220 Here's what I say about because I've heard people say you should never carry a pistol because the chances of using a pistol is non-existent.

00:41:03.260 That's actually not true because what we have to take into account for is policing each other.

00:41:09.260 Responsible citizens and Samaritans in this country who have the skill sets should take care of each other in your own community.

00:41:18.020 And so what we teach in Responsible Citizen is you're learning the skill sets how to apply a tourniquet.

00:41:22.860 You're not only carrying that for yourself.

00:41:24.660 You're carrying it for whoever you come across that needs it.

00:41:27.300 So that's an important discriminating factor because people talk about these things in ones and zeros, and there's some gray.

00:41:34.260 When we talk about EDC pistol, it's important.

00:41:36.800 I think it's important because security as a principle should always be on everybody's mind.

00:41:42.400 Never carry without training, obviously.

00:41:46.300 And when you break it down, it depends on your environment on how you're going to carry what you're carrying.

00:41:52.760 What I tell people often as somebody who's a dad, I'm mostly thinking about the considerations for my kids versus myself.

00:42:02.320 So when I carry a first aid, I'm not carrying first aid for myself.

00:42:05.020 It's not like self-aid, buddy aid, because my buddies, my kids don't have the ability to carry.

00:42:11.300 I mean, they can carry backpacks, but they don't have the ability to treat themselves.

00:42:15.240 So I carry a fanny pack.

00:42:16.440 And any bag external or any capacity external is going to build a more robust capability as long as you're trained on the equipment.

00:42:26.560 So you don't have to get crazy.

00:42:28.100 I carry a Philcraft fanny pack I design that's kind of like low-vis that's made specifically for sectioning first aid, including a bleeding control kit, a tourniquet, and then the pistol where it's out of sight, out of sound, but easily accessible.

00:42:40.820 That's my baseline.

00:42:42.820 I do carry a flashlight sometimes because I am often in bed before it's dark because I have kids.

00:42:49.420 They need to be bathed.

00:42:50.280 They need to be fed bedtime stories, and we're hunkering down at night.

00:42:53.700 Also, the probability of something bad happening is about 60% of bad stuff that happens around a pistol happen at night.

00:43:02.860 So I don't carry it tethered to my gun.

00:43:05.660 I carry it separate in utility, and I carry basic things depending on the environment.

00:43:11.200 I will add the environmental factor supplement.

00:43:14.820 So if I'm going camping or hiking, certainly I'm going to have a big glider.

00:43:19.020 I'm going to have a Mylar space blanket.

00:43:21.300 I'm going to have extra things to add to my kit.

00:43:24.060 I think the baseline is a pistol, everyday carry, inside the waistband, inside a fanny pack, inside your murse or purse, and then carrying the tourniquet and stop the bleed kit.

00:43:33.260 Those primary factors all have to do with what's on your person.

00:43:37.720 When you talk about the extension of that, we get into mobility, but everything on your person, you should pay attention to.

00:43:44.860 Lastly, I do have a story in the book where I talk about a case officer, a buddy of mine, telling me that, hey, man, you're always on the job.

00:43:54.440 And when he told me this, we were overseas.

00:43:56.560 I was a CIA contractor at the time, and he's like, hey, man, you're wearing flip-flops.

00:44:01.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:44:02.000 I'm like that on duty.

00:44:03.560 He's like, you're always on duty.

00:44:04.820 And when I say that, pay attention to your foot gear.

00:44:09.900 Pay attention to what you're wearing.

00:44:11.600 I don't mean just don't wear flip-flops.

00:44:15.620 I want you to wear flip-flops.

00:44:17.180 I want you to think about where you're at and the situation and where you're at.

00:44:20.900 If I go to Disney World with my kids, and they're running around the park and doing all the things, and I am far displaced from my vehicle, I am going to have the best running shoes on that I could ever have.

00:44:31.420 Because if shit hits the fan, I'm picking them up, and I'm running really fast, right?

00:44:37.040 So being physically fit, cardiovascular fit, and having the right stuff in EDC is super important.

00:44:42.920 Weigh those considerations as a conscious thought.

00:44:46.220 Again, we don't have to be panicked and anxious about this.

00:44:49.240 It's like I wake up and go, what am I doing today?

00:44:51.800 I'm hanging around the office.

00:44:52.920 I'll be in and around my vehicle.

00:44:54.420 All right.

00:44:54.860 Fanny pack it is.

00:44:56.280 Flip-flops, I'll be within 50 feet of my vehicle.

00:45:00.320 Flip-flops it is.

00:45:01.780 Anything beyond that, I'm thinking about other things that are going on in my world in EDC.

00:45:07.660 Well, and most of us aren't in an infinite number of environments on a daily basis.

00:45:11.520 We're in like five.

00:45:12.560 There's five days maybe that you have.

00:45:14.280 There's like a work day.

00:45:15.340 There's a weekend day.

00:45:16.180 There's a vacation day.

00:45:17.080 There's a camp.

00:45:17.580 There's really five days or whatever that we might have.

00:45:19.720 So it's not really that intensive based on what you're saying.

00:45:22.500 Absolutely.

00:45:22.960 Good point, too.

00:45:24.420 You talk about posture.

00:45:25.860 I had somebody tell me the other day, I was walking, we were somewhere out in public

00:45:29.500 and they're like, you look mad.

00:45:31.640 And I said, I'm not mad.

00:45:33.200 They're like, why are you so stern right now?

00:45:35.440 I said, because I don't want anybody to mess with me and I don't want anybody to mess with

00:45:39.660 you when we're here.

00:45:41.680 And they're like, yeah, I think you got that covered.

00:45:43.840 I don't think anybody's going to do that.

00:45:44.940 I'm like, perfect.

00:45:45.700 Job accomplished.

00:45:46.660 Like my job is not to be out there and try to be nice and pleasant and to you, yes, but

00:45:51.900 to everybody else, I just don't want to be messed with.

00:45:53.540 And I think the fact that you're talking about posture is often overlooked.

00:45:58.440 That's interesting because a lot of that's not talked about, period, right?

00:46:03.580 Telegraphing your intent through your body language is mainly how we communicate non-verbally

00:46:09.800 anyway, right?

00:46:10.600 With the world around us.

00:46:11.980 We're not using hand and arm signals to tell people to not mess with us.

00:46:15.260 I mean, you can.

00:46:16.260 But most of it is based on demeanor.

00:46:18.720 And I think a lot of times, like, you know who's not a victim?

00:46:23.000 Me.

00:46:23.700 You.

00:46:24.400 We're not victims.

00:46:25.100 You know why?

00:46:25.620 Because nobody's going to mess with us because we have the posture and the behavior that's

00:46:29.860 indicative of somebody who's capable.

00:46:31.980 And bad guys exploit people who are at least perceived to be not capable.

00:46:37.060 So if you're dishuffled, disorganized, you're not capable, then that is something that you

00:46:42.500 can control right out the gate.

00:46:44.040 I mean, I've been criticized about shaking hands too firmly, looking people in the eyes

00:46:47.880 because that's how I was raised.

00:46:49.680 That's how I interpersonally communicate.

00:46:52.040 Again, we now live in a world that was very different than when we grew up, where the way

00:46:57.560 that you telegraph or the way you perceive somebody's body language is very different than

00:47:03.040 10 years ago.

00:47:03.660 But again, if I walk into a room and I peacock a little bit, it's because I'm doing that

00:47:10.120 on purpose.

00:47:11.020 And behaviorally, that is an adaptation.

00:47:14.760 If I go into an environment and I'm around Jocko and Andy Stumpf and we're peer-to-peer,

00:47:19.380 my posture reduces because I don't want them to think that I'm trying to size them up.

00:47:23.840 So I'll reduce my posture.

00:47:25.740 I will be eye-to-eye and level-to-level.

00:47:29.500 And that's a good thing.

00:47:30.600 Knowing how to control yourself in your environments, depending on where you go, and just being

00:47:35.220 conscious and aware of it is the first thing in EDC, I think.

00:47:40.880 You said something that I think we need to be more aware of.

00:47:44.080 And I don't know if this is a new development, but certainly there's been some high-profile

00:47:47.900 cases that we need to address.

00:47:49.540 You talked about policing each other, and there was this scenario about three weeks ago where

00:47:55.300 this homeless man, I can't remember the names offhand, but on the train was subdued by a

00:48:02.100 former Marine, either a current or former Marine, I can't remember.

00:48:05.400 And this guy, based on the limited information I have, seems like he did right by himself and

00:48:10.860 the fellow passengers on that train.

00:48:12.840 But now he's being charged with manslaughter.

00:48:15.960 Is that something that is a new development?

00:48:19.200 And how do we not only police ourselves and help where we need to, especially when we face

00:48:25.440 these encounters, but do it in a way that keeps us out of trouble?

00:48:29.900 Or should that be the secondary thought?

00:48:31.520 I don't know.

00:48:32.040 I'm just kind of curious what you think about this.

00:48:34.740 No, that's a very good question.

00:48:35.980 Jordan Neely is the case.

00:48:37.780 That's right.

00:48:38.200 And it was a tragic circumstance, both for Mr. Neely and this Marine that was put in

00:48:45.000 that situation.

00:48:45.880 But the reason it was so tragic is because this Michael Jackson impersonator, the guy that

00:48:53.080 was tragically killed because he essentially suffocated, according to the district attorney

00:49:00.380 who got the report from his autopsy, he unfortunately suffocated because he was held in position for

00:49:07.420 to an extended period of time.

00:49:09.500 And we know the difference because of jujitsu, the difference between a blood choke and an

00:49:12.600 air choke, right?

00:49:13.580 Air chokes, you're never coming back.

00:49:14.860 Blood chokes, it's part of a choke process to incapacitate or incapacitate the person that

00:49:20.860 you're fighting.

00:49:21.800 And so when you look at good Samaritan laws, there's a lot of states on the books right

00:49:26.360 now that have laws that if you don't watch out for each other, you could be charged.

00:49:32.560 You could literally be charged for ignoring somebody like the state of Utah.

00:49:38.400 There's a good Samaritan law.

00:49:39.860 So if you intentionally bypass somebody who's in distress, who needs help, you could actually

00:49:45.340 be charged.

00:49:46.200 Now, it's limited in the amount of people and the amount of district attorneys around

00:49:50.320 the country who would do that.

00:49:52.120 But the culture right now is a culture of catching it on video.

00:49:58.740 I mean, the incident was videotaped, right?

00:50:01.980 Right, right.

00:50:02.720 Where immediate action is to go to the phone instead of going to help.

00:50:06.380 And you have good Americans, including this Marine.

00:50:09.040 I believe he had good intent.

00:50:10.600 And the failure is on the system because this Michael Jackson impersonator was arrested 44

00:50:17.280 times prior, had a history of mental health issues, including violently assaulting people,

00:50:25.720 including an elderly lady.

00:50:27.980 I mean, he pushed a woman onto tracks and he violently assaulted a senior citizen.

00:50:33.860 So when we look at that situation in its totality, there's a balance.

00:50:39.020 One of the issues I've had with the Marine is he likely didn't understand what he was doing

00:50:44.400 at the time, whether it was stress.

00:50:46.560 But again, we're politicizing this through the national media where we're saying, hey, this

00:50:51.620 is potentially a race issue, even though there's an Hispanic male and a black male that were

00:50:55.680 trying to help him at the same time against somebody who was distraught, but definitely

00:51:01.500 capable and willing at some point, because he did it before, of hurting people.

00:51:07.180 So the balance is we trusted the institutions as an outsource to help us, because that's why

00:51:13.200 you pay taxpayer dollars to first responders who are supposed to do their job.

00:51:16.560 Now you have the mayor and even the governor at some point saying, we don't want you to

00:51:22.520 do your job.

00:51:23.660 And then the DAs prosecute the good Samaritans who had no intent of doing any wrong that are

00:51:29.920 now charged with manslaughter, I think in a second degree for his particular case.

00:51:34.220 That is a problem.

00:51:35.500 It just happened in Texas where a guy who was a military active service member shot and killed

00:51:42.200 a protester that had an AK-47 when he dropped off one of his, the guys in his Uber, because

00:51:47.580 he was Uber part-timing, he dropped off a guy in the protest, they surrounded his vehicle,

00:51:52.440 he perceived a threat with stand your ground and castle doctrine, which exists on the books

00:51:57.220 in Texas.

00:51:58.100 That was a clear cut case of self-defense.

00:52:00.300 No matter the nuances that you hear characterizing him or the protester, he perceived a threat.

00:52:08.200 The guy had a loaded AK-47, that by all conditions would be a clear cut case of self-defense, but

00:52:15.400 it's not.

00:52:15.800 And he was charged.

00:52:16.440 I think he was charged.

00:52:17.220 He was charged and he went to prison.

00:52:18.780 He was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

00:52:20.520 Now the governor has since said he will, because the DA was, appeared to be politicizing it and

00:52:27.980 making it, he was radical.

00:52:30.580 He's likely going to pardon this guy, but man, that's very scary.

00:52:34.580 So what I say is a general rule of thumb is when you come across somebody who's in harm's

00:52:39.600 way, you need to help them.

00:52:41.560 And at the end of the day, based on your moral and ethical value system, do the right thing.

00:52:48.420 Like that exact situation, I would have been in that exact situation because I would have

00:52:53.180 tried to do the right thing, except I know how to choke somebody.

00:52:56.260 And I would have choked him out and 15, 30 seconds max, if he was really, really resilient

00:53:02.700 and then, and then put him to sleep and stepped aside and let them handle him, call 911, whatever

00:53:08.920 the case is.

00:53:09.860 But it just didn't turn out that way.

00:53:11.800 It's scary for good Samaritans and responsible citizens, but we need to police each other.

00:53:16.880 I would weigh on police each other up and weigh on that side than I would not.

00:53:22.000 It'd be like somebody asking me, should I join the military under this administration?

00:53:26.800 Politics aside, it's always a good case in point to, to get good people in the military

00:53:32.760 that are going to defend our country.

00:53:34.160 So the answer is always yes, but there there's difficulties in it right now.

00:53:38.920 Right.

00:53:39.140 I think that echoes, I know one of your core tenants, which is to be trained, right?

00:53:43.280 You said it, if you're going to carry a firearm, be trained.

00:53:45.500 And I think the probability of you getting yourself into trouble with a firearm, for example,

00:53:51.480 or shooting somebody is significantly higher.

00:53:53.360 If you're not trained, if you're trained, you know, you're, you're, you're going to

00:53:56.800 be a little bit more discerning and how you, you, you hold that weapon, whether or not

00:54:01.180 you take a shot, whether or not you even pull that weapon out.

00:54:03.640 If you're trained, you might not even need to escalate to that level of violence.

00:54:07.460 You were talking about it with a choke.

00:54:08.600 If you do a choke properly, it's not going to kill a guy.

00:54:10.680 It's just going to pass them out and incapacitate them.

00:54:13.100 So I think that echoes what you're saying.

00:54:14.960 Be trained.

00:54:15.820 That's probably going to keep you more safe than anything else.

00:54:17.940 Yeah, it's, it's, it's the number one standard for anything.

00:54:21.860 I mean, if you use a tool, cause you carry the tool, you need to train with a tool and

00:54:26.700 , and having trained last year, we trained 10,000 people.

00:54:29.900 I trained thousands of people every single month with all my instructors who give good

00:54:34.180 ARs and we're constantly evolving protocols.

00:54:37.240 And I will tell you, having seen the difference between technical training on flat ranges and

00:54:42.380 training on force on force through decision-making and stress, there is a big disparity there.

00:54:47.640 A lot of guys don't know when to pull the trigger.

00:54:50.940 They'll give you legal, legal jargon.

00:54:52.720 They'll say, well, I'll use the appropriate amount of force when necessary, when threat

00:54:56.440 or bodily harm or like, stop.

00:54:58.320 I'm asking ethically, morally and legally, when would you use deadly force?

00:55:04.200 What do you mean?

00:55:05.100 Like, would you shoot a guy holding a gun standing inside of your home?

00:55:08.780 Yes.

00:55:09.580 What if he was a 14 year old kid?

00:55:12.580 What's the circumstances?

00:55:13.900 That's the right question.

00:55:15.360 Okay, let's go.

00:55:15.900 Let's evolve this a little bit, you know, because it's not cut and dry.

00:55:20.260 It's not black and white.

00:55:21.400 There's not ones and zeros.

00:55:23.000 There are a lot of variables that impact the situation.

00:55:26.160 And if you don't know how you're going to act and operate under those conditions, then

00:55:30.760 you're just training one one hundredth of the problem, which is the technical part.

00:55:35.120 And that's the easiest part.

00:55:37.140 Yeah.

00:55:37.780 Are there other you talked about this with just that?

00:55:41.260 I don't know, the moral decay of society, I would I would sum it up as in your experience.

00:55:46.760 Is there are there other threats that we need to be aware of institutions failing?

00:55:53.060 You know, just I can't even think of what scenarios that might be.

00:55:58.560 But I know you think about this on a daily basis about things we ought to be aware of culturally,

00:56:03.280 societally that put us in risk.

00:56:05.380 Yeah, the like when you look at political division and the threat of political drama affecting you 10 years ago,

00:56:17.180 it didn't really affect you because it was so it was so nuanced.

00:56:24.000 It was so much operating in an echo chamber and you just didn't care.

00:56:28.220 Now, for the first time, I think a lot of this political division, a lot of the political decisions are affecting these institutions and culture

00:56:36.980 and in such aggressive scale that it is affecting us for the first time on the ground at like the tactical level.

00:56:46.420 The idea is like you're supposed to live your free life, like almost like I lived in the military where I served under Obama

00:56:53.660 and everybody was scared, you know, scared to death of like Obama screwing it up.

00:56:58.160 And it's like, well, if you just do the job and the job is still able to like, you know, operate, then it's not affecting you.

00:57:05.400 So you didn't worry about what was going on in politics.

00:57:08.600 Now, more than ever, I think we're seeing those differences, including in national defense and security via foreign policy

00:57:16.800 or the lack of foreign policy and relationships, but most certainly in the supply chain in this country.

00:57:22.200 That's what scares me the most about supply chain.

00:57:25.360 When you look at the pandemic, when you look at all of the things that we're facing with China having its influence,

00:57:32.420 Russia having its influence, all the elections, the mistrust of the government,

00:57:37.600 the scariest thing I look at is the supply chain and how unstable and fragile it is.

00:57:44.900 The fragility that exists in all the supply chains around our country

00:57:48.600 and the fact that we still need to gas our vehicles to get to the store to get the food

00:57:54.200 and we're working with limited supplies where it just takes a couple of things to disrupt what we have going on,

00:58:01.880 which could mean ultimately the survival of our species on this planet in America.

00:58:05.980 It's scary. I mean, COVID-19 and a couple of other things showed and demonstrated that there was definitely fragility in these cycles

00:58:15.700 where you have people beating each other up for paper towels.

00:58:20.400 You have supply chains, toilet paper.

00:58:23.140 You have truck drivers shutting down or protesting and affecting supply chains across the country.

00:58:28.240 You have railroad across the country breaking down in infrastructure and trains coming off the tracks, derailing.

00:58:38.280 So remember, always remember, government is ran by human beings in all these institutions.

00:58:44.400 The whole idea is they're supposed to optimize and make our lives more efficient.

00:58:48.500 And with more corruption in society, with more moral decay, like you stated, in our society,

00:58:56.300 those things are definitely going to affect the institution, and they are.

00:59:00.340 So culturally, they're being eaten up from the inside.

00:59:02.960 And at the end of the day, you can't get the institutions to do their job.

00:59:06.500 And so I say this often, you've outsourced all your reliance to an institution that is now failing and fracturing.

00:59:13.340 It's time to take back some ownership and not depend on every single system and take back some self-reliance in your life.

00:59:23.480 And certainly in supply chain over – I would weigh supply chain issues over security,

00:59:29.180 but with supply chain issues comes a massive security threat because people out the gate will be fighting for resources.

00:59:37.020 Always remember that.

00:59:37.860 It's like these things cascade.

00:59:39.300 And when they do, based on the fall off from the tipping point, they're never coming back.

00:59:43.900 They're going to roll downhill.

00:59:45.600 They're going to collect steam and energy.

00:59:47.380 And before you know it, all hell is broke loose.

00:59:50.400 Yeah.

00:59:50.800 Yeah.

00:59:51.100 That's a valuable point.

00:59:52.620 The other one I thought about is our monetary system.

00:59:56.360 I thought about this with that truck driver protest in Canada about a year ago regarding COVID,

01:00:00.980 where they're shutting off GoFundMe access, they're accessing bank accounts to shut off transactions in your own bank account.

01:00:09.860 We think our money's secure.

01:00:11.220 Your money is zeros and ones for the most part.

01:00:13.820 And it's accessible by financial institutions that are definitely corrupt and also governments that tend to be corrupt as well.

01:00:20.780 Well, that's a real scary issue when all of a sudden you think you've got a hundred grand in the bank and now you have nothing.

01:00:27.820 Yeah.

01:00:27.860 This new budget proposal and going over the debt so we didn't default on our debt.

01:00:36.220 The last time we did that was under Obama in 2011.

01:00:38.700 And we had a lot of compromise.

01:00:41.960 One of the things we compromise this time around, which just happened today, by the way, by the time this podcast comes out, like last week, it just happened.

01:00:50.860 They cut $20 billion off the IRS budget.

01:00:55.600 That means the IRS asked for $20 billion to execute its plans.

01:01:00.080 What were the plans?

01:01:01.060 Well, building infrastructure, building out officer operations and investigations and going after people who haven't paid taxes on their Apple pay.

01:01:15.160 You know, like when we're going after Venmo and looking at people who made transactions of $600 or more because we need a tax collect and we're turning law-abiding citizens who are selling shoes and novelty items out of their garage.

01:01:29.940 And now we have to go after them.

01:01:31.600 And we're investing Americans taxpaying dollars to reinvest in investigating American citizens for some stupid reason that is not going to move the needle on anything.

01:01:42.780 Like we're okay with China.

01:01:44.860 We're okay with we're in Ukraine.

01:01:45.960 We're okay with all of these things.

01:01:47.480 But now we're refocusing this on ourselves.

01:01:51.540 That's not okay.

01:01:52.400 That's when you know you got massive corruption.

01:01:54.480 And I, you know, this is speaking from experience.

01:01:56.500 Dude, when they told me a domestic terrorist, when they did it, they went down this road because I started American Contendency.

01:02:03.880 They shut down my Shopify.

01:02:06.320 I found out from the back end, the federal government contacted, basically put me on a blacklist.

01:02:12.020 And every banking system, which included at the time, my merchant service account through my bank at the time, got shut down.

01:02:20.300 My assets were frozen.

01:02:21.880 PayPal shut down my account.

01:02:24.080 Assets are frozen.

01:02:25.280 And then they shut down my Shopify and said, you got 48 hours to collect your website and all your user data before it gets shut down.

01:02:32.000 We collected none of it.

01:02:33.240 We had a, we basically, they destroyed my business.

01:02:36.060 And in 72 hours after me and my CMO stayed up all night fixing it, we had to, we had to stand up and go, hey guys, if you want to support us, we got hats and we could do these hats through Venmo.

01:02:46.880 If you want to buy a hat, sell it.

01:02:49.020 And we sold like $20,000 worth of hats.

01:02:51.120 But that was the only guarantee we had because we had a market of good Americans willing to support us.

01:02:57.280 Otherwise, all these players who play with no influence, who don't have a story to tell, don't have a voice to represent them, are getting shut down.

01:03:05.620 And that is going to continue to be a problem.

01:03:09.000 I can't even imagine what next year is going to look like, but it will be the nearest to the worst case scenario in our society.

01:03:16.120 I think in human history, at least my short history on this earth.

01:03:21.120 I think that also speaks to the importance of community because you're able to go out to your community and even if it's digital community and say, hey guys, we need support.

01:03:28.720 We need help.

01:03:29.420 And then you have that, you know, too many men, I think isolate themselves, lone wolf, think they can do it on their own.

01:03:34.720 They call themselves alphas or omegas or whatever the Greek term is they use right now.

01:03:38.540 And it's like, you know, maybe you ought to build a community, digital and physical community that can help you in situations like this.

01:03:45.600 That's the number one thing that we advocate for in all of this stuff.

01:03:49.660 It all leads back to community.

01:03:52.120 And, you know, Yellowstone reintroduced wolves and they had a wolf called Wolf 21.

01:04:00.060 It's the name of my CBD company because of the story of resilience.

01:04:04.680 But when Wolf 21 was reintroduced, he started a super pack and he was exiled from his original pack.

01:04:14.480 When he started his super pack, he consolidated all his pups in one den.

01:04:19.820 At peak, he had 37 wolves in his pack.

01:04:23.640 When they went out to hunt, they crushed everything.

01:04:26.520 They had an abundance of resources, even in scarcity, because they had the power in community and numbers.

01:04:33.700 Some scientists, some psychologists will tell you that number is between 120 and 150 people.

01:04:39.980 But you have hundreds of thousands of friends on social media.

01:04:43.800 Those aren't your friends.

01:04:45.040 Your community and your friendship group are the people who are closest to you.

01:04:49.060 And I think it's not talked about enough, but this lone wolf mentality will never work in execution.

01:04:56.240 You will always fail because you need assets.

01:04:59.360 You need people.

01:05:00.520 You need strength in numbers.

01:05:01.700 And you need a tribe.

01:05:02.840 It's how we've always survived.

01:05:04.680 It's why the Comanche Indian was the warring tribe because they were always mobile.

01:05:10.620 They were always moving in strength in numbers.

01:05:13.460 And they were feeding off the buffalo bison in the plains.

01:05:16.840 And so they were the strongest.

01:05:19.560 We have to get back to that.

01:05:21.160 I mean, most of us don't know our neighbors.

01:05:22.960 We don't know people in our apartment complex.

01:05:26.200 When you look at preparedness, I hope it's like one of those things that of all the things that divide us, it's like one of those things that could bring us closer together.

01:05:34.700 Because I think if you're a liberal in San Francisco and we sat down to break bread together and you were talking about what's important to you, it was your family.

01:05:42.640 It was living a thriving life with your family and same as me.

01:05:48.160 So maybe we can get past all this political divide, all this bullshit, and focus on what's most important, families and community, which is the most important part of this.

01:05:57.300 I love it, man.

01:05:57.700 Well, we've got a lot more to talk about, and we definitely could.

01:06:02.100 I want to let the guys know where they can obviously pick up a copy of your book prepared.

01:06:06.500 I've got right here.

01:06:07.180 I've got an advanced copy, so sorry, guys.

01:06:09.080 I got it before you.

01:06:10.540 But, man, I appreciate the information in here and all the work that you've been doing.

01:06:14.180 I was going to say over the past decade, but it's been decades that you've been doing this work.

01:06:18.580 Tell the guys where to connect with you.

01:06:20.000 Obviously, pick up a copy of the book, American Contingency, whatever you're doing, let the guys know.

01:06:23.780 Yeah, mostly it's all just PhilCraftSurvival.com.

01:06:26.800 We could kind of force you where you need to go.

01:06:29.760 Look, I'll say this.

01:06:30.640 This is not a sales pitch because I don't care if you don't train or sustain your level of training with us.

01:06:39.040 I don't care if you don't buy a product, a hat, a t-shirt.

01:06:41.500 I just want you to have the idea that preparedness could be an important and valuable purpose in your life where many people are missing purpose.

01:06:49.020 So our podcast, our YouTube channel, the PhilCraftSurvival channel, are all free.

01:06:54.240 I mean, you can just go there, digest as much information as you want, and start up PhilCraftSurvival.com.

01:07:01.820 Start your own company.

01:07:03.000 I want competition in this space because I think options are good.

01:07:05.880 I think consumers want options.

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01:07:08.680 There's not a lot of people doing preparedness.

01:07:10.820 So if you think this is viable information, just look into it at PhilCraftSurvival.com.

01:07:15.640 We do have an app.

01:07:17.080 There's a QR code on the back of the book.

01:07:19.500 If you think this is viable and you think you want to get started, everything from canning and jarring to personal defense to mobility and all the things that we teach are going to be on our application.

01:07:30.640 And that application is a virtual learning tool to get your ass somewhere in person and actually interoperate and build relationships with real people in real life.

01:07:41.940 So that's the goal.

01:07:42.820 I appreciate the opportunity to talk to your people on this podcast and yeah, PhilCraftSurvival.

01:07:49.600 Yeah, man.

01:07:49.780 You're doing good work.

01:07:50.540 We'll sync everything up.

01:07:51.480 I appreciate you.

01:07:52.340 It's been good to get to know you over the past couple of years.

01:07:54.120 You're doing good work and more of us need to tap into what you're doing.

01:07:57.080 So thanks for leading the charge.

01:07:58.780 Thanks, brother.

01:07:59.200 I appreciate what you're doing.

01:08:00.620 Appreciate everybody who listens to this podcast.

01:08:02.620 And thank you for having me.

01:08:03.700 All right, gentlemen, there you go.

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Order of Man - June 06, 2023

MIKE GLOVER ｜ How to Survive Worst-Case Scenarios

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