Order of Man - June 30, 2026


MIKE GLOVER ｜ The Man You're Capable of Being is Dormant Inside of You

Topics
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Ryan Michler
Guests
MIKE GLOVER
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Mike Glover Fieldcraft Survival Joe Rogan Benchmade Jesus Christ Bert Soren Hulk Hogan Joe Biden Kershaw Airwolf George Sorenx Glock Andy
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Mike Glover is a former Green Beret, former CIA contractor, and founder of Fieldcraft Survival. He spent his entire life teaching men that real preparedness is in the mind, not in a skill set. And that the hardest terrain you ll ever have to navigate isn t the wilderness, it s the jail. It s the purgatory of your own worst chapter. In this conversation, Mike opens up about hardship, redemption, and what it took to pick himself up when the ground gave way underneath him.

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00:00:00 Most guys think preparedness is just a bunker full of gear and ammo.
00:00:05 And my guest today, Mike Glover, knows a little bit better.
00:00:10 He's a Green Beret, former CIA contractor and founder of Fieldcraft Survival.
00:00:15 And he spent his entire life teaching men that real readiness is in the mind.
00:00:21 It's a mindset before a skill set.
00:00:23 And that the hardest terrain or circumstances you'll ever have to navigate isn't the wilderness.
00:00:28 it's the jail it's the purgatory of your own worst chapter in this conversation mike opens up about
00:00:36 hardship redemption and what it took to pick himself up when the ground gave way underneath
00:00:43 him we get into why men today aren't weak so much as just broken down physically hormonally
00:00:50 spiritually and we also talk about what it takes to rebuild we cover purpose and identity the
00:00:57 difference between people who scatter and the people who will always have your back and why
00:01:02 being targeted only sharpened his clarity about who he is and what he's built. Guys, this is a
00:01:08 very real conversation. It's raw, it's unflinching, and it takes a look into the accountability,
00:01:14 manhood, and the courage to say what needs to be said in the right moment. As you'll hear in this
00:01:20 podcast, Mike Glover does not hedge and neither do we. You're a man of action. You live life to
00:01:26 the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down,
00:01:31 you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated,
00:01:37 rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become
00:01:43 at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
00:01:50 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order Man podcast. My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and founder,
00:01:54 and I've got a very good one lined up with somebody who has been controversial over the
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00:02:05 platform, and I also believe in the idea of redemption. All of us have struggled in one
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00:03:49 ORDEROFMAN. All right, guys. I'm going to introduce you to Mike. He is a former Green
00:03:54 Beret. He's a CIA contractor. He turned two decades of hard-fought and hard-won experience
00:04:02 in special ops and very high threat environments into what I would say at this point is one of the
00:04:11 most respected names in the preparedness and self-reliance space. He's the founder of Fieldcraft
00:04:17 Survival. They were built on preparedness is a complete discipline. It's mindset, it's skill set,
00:04:24 it's philosophy, it's training, it's the right tools. And through Fieldcraft and his broader
00:04:31 body of work mike has trained countless men and families actually to step to stop outsourcing
00:04:37 their safety and become the sole proprietors of their own lives he talks about that in today's
00:04:44 podcast but out outside of fieldcraft he also founded american contingency which is a grassroots
00:04:49 movement built on the radical idea it's not it should not be radical but it is that a well
00:04:55 well-prepared citizenry is the backbone of resilient men and a resilient nation.
00:05:03 It's work that by his account, put a target on his back. He talks about that in the podcast
00:05:07 and he's no stranger to adversity or public scrutiny or being underestimated. And he's
00:05:14 really at this point emerged from that fire with a sharper sense of purpose. And like I said,
00:05:19 hard-earned wisdom of redemption accountability what actually holds a man together when everything
00:05:26 else is falling apart and he continues to lead and teach and build with his his community of men
00:05:35 who refuse to be caught unprepared mike what's up man it's been quite a few years but i saw
00:05:43 something you posted on instagram the other day and i'm like we need to have another conversation
00:05:47 because there's a lot of story of redemption that I know many men who listen to this podcast
00:05:52 would definitely resonate with. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah. It's, it's been a wild ride,
00:05:58 but I'm glad I'm still in it. Yeah. Well, I mean, what keeps you in it when you go through
00:06:03 hardship and man, I think it's been pretty public with what you've had going on. Some of it's
00:06:07 probably just made up and, and fabricated because that is the world we live in and social media,
00:06:14 But what keeps you in the game and to keep fighting in a way?
00:06:19 Because a lot of guys give up, frankly.
00:06:22 Yeah, I want to have some kind of metaphysical or spiritual answer to that.
00:06:26 But it's none of that.
00:06:27 It's actually my kids.
00:06:29 I mean, if my kids weren't around, I probably wouldn't be around.
00:06:34 That sounds weird to say.
00:06:36 But I've lived a very full life.
00:06:38 I've done a lot of things.
00:06:39 And it's weird coming full circle that, you know, post 20 years in the military and as a contractor and 10 years later after that, I felt like I've lived 100 lives.
00:06:53 And so I'm very fulfilled in life, except I had my kids after all those experiences.
00:06:59 So my kids are very young. I have four children.
00:07:01 And so they keep me in it because I can't imagine growing up without a father.
00:07:08 I grew up with a father in my life and he was a really good father.
00:07:11 He is a really good father.
00:07:13 And so I want the same for my kids.
00:07:16 Yeah, I think that's good motivation.
00:07:18 I mean, I'll share something with you that I don't know if I've ever said this publicly or even privately.
00:07:24 I think I've just housed it in my own head is there's been times over the past three years where I've just told myself, hey, look, I got 10 more years.
00:07:32 Like I need to stay in the game for 10 more years because my oldest son was, you know, eight years old at the time.
00:07:38 I'll get 10 years in, do what I need to do to make sure they're raised and I'm checking out.
00:07:43 Like, I don't think I've ever shared that with anybody, but I've definitely been there, man.
00:07:48 Yeah, I think, I think that resonates, that honesty and vulnerability resonates with a lot of men because look, when we, when we find ourselves in situations that are difficult and we, we feel like we're burdening other people.
00:08:02 the selfless mechanism in us thinks that checking out would be easier, not because it's so difficult
00:08:11 for us, but because we're creating difficulties for others. And so I think that's a, I wouldn't
00:08:17 say normal thought, but it's for sure an honest thought. Yeah. I, you know, I was actually having
00:08:25 a conversation with a gentleman by the name of George. He runs an organization called the Tin
00:08:30 men. And we did this interview a week or two ago. And he had told me that there's a psychiatrist,
00:08:38 a famous psychiatrist, I can't recall who it was. He said, you know, most people, nobody actually
00:08:44 is broken. What we say is broken is normal responses to abnormal circumstances. And I
00:08:50 thought that was really good because on social media and the public space and public sphere,
00:08:55 Everybody will tell you, you know, if you have the slightest misstep or you, you know, slip into addiction, which is what I did, or you have, you know, some other, you know, moral or character flaw that you're broken.
00:09:07 It's like, no, you might just be having a normal human response to an abnormal set of circumstances.
00:09:13 And I wish more people understood that you're not bad or wrong or horrible or broken.
00:09:19 You're just being a human.
00:09:20 yeah i think the overwhelming majority of people are good people and they have good intent and then
00:09:27 stuff happens and then when it does happen how you react and respond to it is is going to define
00:09:34 you and shape you i also think that a lot of men want definitive purpose in their life and if
00:09:41 if they don't have purpose because their life is seemingly falling apart
00:09:46 um i think that's tough for a lot of men to deal with and so again i'm not encouraging people to
00:09:53 check out i just have a very focused purpose and it's my children and without them i don't know
00:10:03 what else would move me the way my children move me um again haven't done a lot and i say that
00:10:11 because a lot of men haven't done a lot so if you have this whole world in front of you it's very
00:10:17 different than an old man with a lot of life experience that looks at his life moving forward
00:10:24 and goes yeah i've kind of done it all like what else is there to do and children change everything
00:10:31 in my opinion so if okay so let me ask you this if if you wrap up your purpose in your children
00:10:39 And I don't think that's wrong, by the way. I do the same. Like I'm here to serve my kids. I'm here to help them grow and learn and become adults. But at some point, like I said, and for me at this point, it's eight years. I think your kids are a little younger than mine. I've got four as well. What do we, what do we do after that? Because our kids are going to move out. They're going to be out on their own. They're going to build their own families. They're going to pursue their own interests, which is all right and good.
00:11:04 but do you feel like there's any sort of concern that you have if we wrap up our identity fully
00:11:09 and just being a good father, for example? Yeah. But I also think, I also think that's phased.
00:11:16 I mean, for example, your, your kids, if your kids are 18 years old, they're living their life
00:11:22 and they need guidance. And, and something that's interesting. My mom told me recently,
00:11:26 she said all the work that you're doing now in building security around your family
00:11:33 is not just the time when your kids are kids um those children grow into adulthood and they might
00:11:41 need your support they need your support in adulthood even more so in a lot of cases my mom
00:11:47 said to me she said what happens if your son ends up in jail what are you going to do i said oh
00:11:51 that's a possibility yeah my my two boys are going to be savages if they're not in the military
00:11:59 they're going to get in trouble um just by genetic design they're really physically driven in life
00:12:06 and so i think it's phased whether it's raising grandchildren it's providing security and a safe
00:12:14 space or place for your children who are now adults i think that's a phased opportunity
00:12:20 And so I can't imagine in their lifetime, I would imagine a time where I'd go, OK, now they're on their own and I'm done because I do think you got to be there for them no matter what.
00:12:33 And honestly, I have this like this moment, an idea in my head that I want to pass peacefully, surrounded by all my kids and their families, because that would be the best transition.
00:12:50 at least at least in my in my head that's how i would want it to end i've always thought i want
00:12:56 to go out fighting a grizzly bear but yours is definitely uh a little more comfortable but not
00:13:02 quite as exciting a story that the the grandkids and the great grandkids might not tell as readily
00:13:07 i think you bring up a good point though because i so i i coined this phrase three or four years
00:13:15 ago and I said my job as a father is to render myself obsolete and as a father of a son who's
00:13:22 now 18 years old he just graduated he's going on to play college lacrosse my relationship with him
00:13:28 the dynamic is going to change and I'm looking at it now and I'm like wait maybe my job isn't
00:13:34 to render myself obsolete maybe it's more along the lines of what you're saying it's to evolve
00:13:38 so yeah I'm not going to be necessarily putting a roof over his head or making sure he has dinner
00:13:43 tonight but still I want to be just as valuable if not more so when he's figuring out dad should
00:13:50 I ask her to marry me or should I have a kid or what should I pursue as a career path so
00:13:55 yeah there's more nuance now that I'm seeing that on the tail end than there was before and I'm
00:14:01 thinking oh my job is just evolving it's not obsolete yeah I think that's a good perspective
00:14:06 yeah I've never I never kind of thought about how I would shape that but I think that's the
00:14:12 perspective that we should have because um even my difficult moments in life even the loss of
00:14:20 teammates deployments divorces um my mom was there and if she wasn't it would have been a whole lot
00:14:30 more difficult and so i i do think you know like my mom was there when i graduated reindeer school
00:14:36 she pinned my blue cord my infantry blue cord on me she was there for every deployment and that
00:14:41 support through every phase of my life has continued and one day she won't be there um
00:14:48 and by I guess natural selection and design you know by time she's not there I'll be reaching that
00:14:58 age where I might be not obsolete but just in the last phases of my life and I think that's the cycle
00:15:06 love it yeah it's it's just it's it's just a natural cycle it's it's not just because there's
00:15:13 so much nuance to it and there's so many memories but i think in a lot of ways it's good that we're
00:15:20 gonna die at some point i think that's what makes life so valuable because if i knew i wasn't gonna
00:15:26 die or you could take my memories out of out of my brain and put it into this other meat sack this
00:15:33 like non-biological meat sack. Is that really me? Like, and, and does that take away from the 0.94
00:15:38 experience of life? I think it does actually. Yeah. I think the closer you are to potentially
00:15:44 losing your life, you know, via an accident, um, cancer that you overcame, you feel more alive and
00:15:53 you feel more thankful and grateful for the life that you're living. And so we, we often get
00:15:57 complacent and everything but including living and when you're complacent and living you kind of
00:16:03 don't assess things like you would if you're closer to that experience that changed everything
00:16:08 for you where you know you wake up and breathing feels great because you weren't able to breathe
00:16:14 you know it's like that those saying and those montages where it's like you know you you asked
00:16:20 for a job you prayed for a job and you got a job and all you do is complain about it you know you
00:16:24 ask for a family or children and all you do is complain about how they're you know messing things
00:16:31 up or whatever it is it's like we become ungrateful um the less we understand the
00:16:38 contemplation that it's going to end and it could end at any moment by the way yeah that's the crazy
00:16:46 thing is like you you hear about these stories of people i actually had a close friend uh just
00:16:51 recently. I was up in Montana about a month or so ago and his wife was dealing with some medical
00:16:57 stuff and she went in, had some tests and some procedures taken care of. She was gone nine days
00:17:03 later, man. Nine days. He had nine days left with her. And I had no idea on the 10th day.
00:17:10 Zero idea. No idea. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think there's something valuable to understand. Well,
00:17:17 let me ask you this. I know you've gone through your fair share of battles. I'm sure personally
00:17:21 is, you know, the public stuff you've gone through is probably the tip of the iceberg
00:17:25 based on what you've dealt with even personally and behind the scenes. It's pretty hard on social
00:17:31 media because things get blown out of proportion. They get misconstrued. People make assumptions.
00:17:36 They always assume that, you know, you're the most evil person if you have a slip up or whatever it
00:17:41 might be. The mentality of, hey, I'm grateful to be alive. Did you feel that as you've been
00:17:46 experiencing what you've been experiencing with field craft survival and your own personal battles?
00:17:51 over the past three years and and how have you managed to stay sane and stay in the game to the
00:17:57 degree that you've been able to yeah i think you you whenever in a situation where you're fending
00:18:05 and fighting for your family or you're really your own individual survival figuratively or literally
00:18:12 you reprioritize all the things that you thought were important and those get distilled and washed
00:18:20 out i mean i the last thing i cared about was people's opinions mostly strangers i would say
00:18:26 all strangers right that were just reading clickbait and headlines from people were trying
00:18:31 to capitalize on my very personal very catastrophic life situation and it's interesting like my
00:18:40 situation involved um a woman and i thought to myself there's a lot of women out there
00:18:47 who can put a lot of men in those situations 1.00
00:18:51 in their lifetimes.
00:18:53 And I have many friends who have been through difficult things
00:18:55 dealing with postpartum, dealing with toxic relationships,
00:18:59 divorce, which can be the most toxic thing
00:19:03 that men ever deal with in their lives,
00:19:05 especially when children are involved.
00:19:07 And I thought to myself, because I'm hearing it,
00:19:11 because I'm not reading it,
00:19:12 because again, the priority was me getting through it
00:19:15 and surviving myself.
00:19:17 But I thought to myself, man, it must be nice to be in a situation where you're expressing these volatile opinions, not knowing that you could be that guy in months or years in your future.
00:19:31 And a lot of men are put through that, just like a lot of women are put through different things.
00:19:35 People go through these life situations.
00:19:39 I mean, mine just happened to be the spike in the pattern, like a pretty extreme case of it.
00:19:43 But it's like that happens.
00:19:44 when when i went to jail um which obviously was a shock to me i was surrounded by men who never
00:19:54 thought they would be there and and that's how it works for the most part all these men were like
00:20:00 normal men regular men and they made one decision or indecision and they ended up where they were
00:20:09 at. I mean, again, speaking of jail, I wasn't in prison where you're convicted. I was in jail
00:20:16 where you're trying to navigate the justice system to prove your innocence or an admission
00:20:24 to guilt or a conviction of guilt. So you're in limbo. You're in purgatory. It's like many men
00:20:31 will end up in purgatory and will end up on either side of the fence. And it's like, if you think
00:20:37 that expressing your opinion about that like oh look at that that must suck that dude sucks it's 0.99
00:20:42 like you might be in that situation and that was the only thing that gave me a little bit of peace 0.98
00:20:48 of mind because I'm like oh really that's your opinion you don't know the context of what I'm
00:20:54 going through you don't even know the truth which is why it didn't bother me at all but
00:20:59 you could be that guy one day as well yeah i mean i used to be overly critical until i started
00:21:08 dealing with my own stuff you know i'd see guys who went through divorce and i'm like what's wrong
00:21:12 with you and i'd be judgmental or guys dealing with some sort of substance abuse or other addiction
00:21:17 and i'd be like what's your problem what's your malfunction and then i start going through it i'm
00:21:22 like oh okay got it like there's nuance there's layers there's levels there's there's things that
00:21:30 are hard to explain there's things that you can't see on social media and i'm not excusing the
00:21:35 behavior i've owned my own personal behavior but i'm also saying that there's nuance to it
00:21:41 that people who have never experienced those things simply can't understand and it's really 0.62
00:21:46 easy to cast stones if you've never gone through some of the shit that the people you're criticizing 0.96
00:21:52 have gone through? Yeah, it's like, it's like depression. You know, if you've never gone 0.99
00:21:58 through depression, you think these men are just weak because they should just suck it up and drive
00:22:03 on. Not realizing that depression is actually a chemical imbalance and you just can't suck it up 0.78
00:22:10 and drive on. It's not the way it works. Having gone through a fit of depression myself where I'm
00:22:16 like, what is happening? What is this? I have no idea. And I'm like, no, no mindset is going to
00:22:22 get you through that when you're chemically imbalanced because your endocrine system is
00:22:25 fried. And so I think one, I just didn't care what was going on in social media. I stayed off
00:22:34 of it for over a year and it was pretty nice. It made me realize like, yeah, it made me realize
00:22:40 normal people who are just proactive in their own health and well-being, they're not paying 0.99
00:22:48 attention to this garbage. And it also made me realize how much people suck and how much I don't 0.99
00:22:54 care about them. And it made me more humble, less egotistical, and less likely to care about 0.98
00:23:03 people's opinions as strangers to my life because it made me realize like oh so a green beret can
00:23:12 capture this who served in the same regiment and who went through the same hardships and he could
00:23:17 use it as a marketing tool to destroy my life um and it i was like wow that's how that works okay
00:23:25 but now i know you know how do you avoid though becoming jaded because i think it could be easy
00:23:31 to become jaded, especially when accusations, levels of accuracy and levels of just complete
00:23:39 fabrication, how do you not get jaded to the point where you just tap out of life or relationships
00:23:46 or opportunities or, you know, any of that kind of stuff? Yeah, I would say the most significant
00:23:52 jading would be what happens all the time when somebody gets attacked on social media and they
00:23:58 have a couple bad comments in their in their threads they shut down and stop speaking their
00:24:03 their truth you know it happens to every single body um on social media by the way that has a
00:24:08 platform and i i remember thinking at one point in my life i was like man i'm i'm like the veteran
00:24:15 influencer that never really gets a hard time because i have a good reputation from the military
00:24:21 i i i'm not a criminal i i don't do stupid stuff and i'm building a business and then at a
00:24:28 certain number no matter how good you perceive yourself you're going to have haters right and
00:24:36 and then i realized it's just part of the formula it's more analytical than it is emotional because
00:24:40 it's just part par for the course and so it's sad for me to see guys who are really putting out good
00:24:47 stuff they do get jaded they shut down and they don't say anything anymore and i struggle with
00:24:54 that because I was like why am I even doing this like what's the point of being on social media
00:24:58 and talking and trying to help people when I'm getting crapped on um and the only thing that
00:25:06 kept me in it is the people that I uh Andy it was uh no it was who was it was Bert Soren from
00:25:13 Sorenx told me this in private one time he said at your funeral there's going to be three rows
00:25:19 the third row is going to be on their cell phones the second row are going to be people who know
00:25:24 you but they're really just there to support the first row and the first row is the people who are
00:25:30 always going to have your back and he said you're performing for the first row so who cares in this
00:25:36 who cares who's in the second or third and so the people who are in my first row is who i perform
00:25:42 for it's why i do what i do it's the guys who say hey mike i listen to a podcast and you're talking
00:25:47 about first aid. I carried a first aid kit and I saved my family's life. It's like, why would that
00:25:52 not be significant in your life to drive purpose? And then if that's the kind of, uh, uh, affirmation
00:26:00 you're getting in a feedback loop, then who the hell cares about the second and third row?
00:26:04 Hmm. I like that. It's, it is a little bit counter to what we often hear, uh, which is you shouldn't
00:26:11 care about what anybody thinks. It's like, well, no, I actually care about the way my kids view
00:26:17 me. I care about the way that the men in my inner circle view me. I care about the way that my
00:26:22 clients view me. Not to the point that I'm going to change who I am, but it is a mechanism of
00:26:28 accountability for me when I know, hey, I'm going to be more influential with my kids if I'm showing
00:26:33 up in powerful ways and they like me and they trust me and they love me. But I get really tired
00:26:38 of this idea that we shouldn't care about what anybody thinks and just be your own. No, that
00:26:43 that doesn't fly for me maybe for the second and third row but not that first row man
00:26:47 yeah i think that's spot on i i i really care about how my daughter thinks about me
00:26:53 you know right um i really care about how my wife thinks about me i i could care less
00:26:58 about the stranger like every single criticism or attack or public whatever that is that i've
00:27:07 gotten none of it's been true in fact it's so short-sighted that not only is it not true but
00:27:13 it's not even close to the truth it's completely taken out of context and very far from the truth
00:27:18 now if i was getting criticism because i had a drug problem if i had an alcohol problem if i had
00:27:23 a domestic violence problem i would be like okay that's that you need to look yourself in the
00:27:28 mirror you know and i would i would pay attention to that but that would be coming from the first
00:27:32 row that would be true you know they don't live in my house they don't live in my neighborhood
00:27:38 they don't know me intimately and so the people who are criticizing me in the first row are telling
00:27:44 me face to face it's not the guy in the third row who's throwing shade in a comment um it's not the 0.98
00:27:50 guy which has never happened in my life who sees me in ace hardware and he's like you suck because
00:27:55 that never happens um so i i think you're right i think what we should care about most is the people
00:28:02 that we love that are right in front of us and take our cues from that yeah that's a good point
00:28:08 i i've said in the past that not everyone who criticizes you is your enemy and not everyone
00:28:13 who praises you is your ally and it's your job as a man to discern like hey yeah this person's
00:28:20 being critically uh critical of me but he's earned the right to be critical because he knows me i
00:28:27 trust him i know that he loves me and cares about me and wants me to win so he's earned
00:28:32 the right to offer some criticism in my life. Absolutely. Yeah. That's, I think that's the
00:28:38 right formula for life overall. And, you know, I look at guys like Joe Rogan. I like Joe Rogan.
00:28:44 You know, I, I, I've been on his podcast. I met him. He's a great dude. He's in, he's in like
00:28:50 an inner circle of a whole bunch of friends of mine who are like some of his best friends.
00:28:54 And I think to myself, like, there's nothing about that dude that's unlikable. There's nothing. I
00:28:59 mean he's just a likable human being he's pretty rational almost about anything and by statistics
00:29:06 he's probably the highest that i know and being balanced in that sense but he gets more criticism
00:29:12 than anybody i've ever seen and i'm like oh no okay if that dude's getting crushed online from
00:29:17 all the criticism criticism it's just par for the course it's human psychology it's just the way it
00:29:22 works and what i realized is most people who are criticizing you have their own insecurities and
00:29:28 years uh one time one of my employees told me uh there was an influencer who was talking about God
00:29:36 and talking about Jesus and I was like that seems kind of crappy that they're doing that
00:29:41 and this person who was my employee said why do you think it's crappy like that's that's isn't
00:29:45 that a good thing I was like yeah but it seems like they're trying to profit off of God like
00:29:49 why would you talk about God in the first place if you didn't think and I had this whole rant
00:29:53 and the reality was it had nothing to do with that influencer person but everything to do with
00:30:00 my own insecurities and my own guilt and my own resentment for myself where I'm like I'm building
00:30:04 a platform and you should be talking about God and I'm not and it's my own hang-up which is leading
00:30:10 to me criticizing that person and so most people who criticize you have a ounce of of empathy
00:30:18 because likely that person is dealing
00:30:21 with something very difficult in their own lives
00:30:23 and they're using that opportunity
00:30:26 as a sounding board for their own insecurity
00:30:28 or their own flaw.
00:30:31 Gentlemen, just a quick timeout on the podcast.
00:30:34 I want to ask you a question.
00:30:35 If you died tomorrow, who would be in that room?
00:30:39 Who would be in that room?
00:30:41 Mike Glover put it to us like this.
00:30:44 He said, there are three rows at your funeral.
00:30:46 one row is on their phone one row simply just knew who you were and the other row would have
00:30:55 taken a bullet for you and the question isn't how big the crowd is it's how many men are in that last
00:31:00 row and and here's the reality you don't earn that row by default or by accident or by luck or slip
00:31:08 into it you earn that through accountability real accountability the kind of accountability that
00:31:13 doesn't let you hide. It doesn't let you coast. It doesn't let you lie to yourself about who you're
00:31:18 becoming or who you're capable of becoming. And that's exactly what the Iron Council is. This is
00:31:23 not a Facebook group. It's not a feel good, pat you on the back, tickle your balls to make you 1.00
00:31:28 feel better about your life decisions. This is a brotherhood of men who hold each other to a 0.98
00:31:33 standard, who tell you what needs to be said, even when it's not what you probably don't want to hear
00:31:40 and who actually show up when it counts because not everyone who criticizes you is your enemy
00:31:47 and not everyone who praises you is your ally but the right men will sharpen you so if you're tired
00:31:55 of doing this alone if you want to be the man in someone else's last row or you want to make sure
00:32:01 you have men in that last row at your funeral when that time comes get in the game truly get
00:32:06 in the game with other men who will be there for you, not only in that last row, but while
00:32:11 you're here and while you're breathing and living and have an opportunity to impact your
00:32:14 life and the lives of the people around you. Again, get in the game with men who refuse
00:32:20 to let you stay the same. Check it out at orderofman.com slash iron council. That's
00:32:26 orderofman.com slash iron council. Do that right after my conversation. For now, let's
00:32:32 finish it up with Mike. Well, that that's actually really interesting because as you were saying
00:32:38 that I actually made some comments on an influencers post very much about what you just
00:32:43 said. And now that you said that you're calling me out a little, I'm like, wait, hold on a second.
00:32:48 Like, is that my issue? Cause I think a lot of people, same thing, like profiting off of it.
00:32:52 I think it's really in vogue and trendy to, you know, like Jesus Christ and all of that.
00:32:57 And at the same time, it's like, no, that's a good thing. More people are hearing his message,
00:33:01 but i've had my own insecurities and my own frustrations and my own questions about
00:33:06 spirituality and god and christ i gotta reflect on that a little bit if i'm being honest
00:33:12 yeah it's like the easiest for men to understand is like the the tactical debate right everybody
00:33:19 has their own view of tactics and you know tactical tactical discussion should always be
00:33:25 an open forum for discussion but it never is because everybody is bought and sold on their
00:33:30 tactics because it becomes their persona their religion it's like well i went to this school
00:33:35 and this is how it is it's like i don't care if that's how it is tactics are developed and evolved
00:33:42 based on human psychology which means it's always variable it always shifts adapts changes and and
00:33:49 whenever you get a tactical discussion i mean i did a video once where i was drawing a pistol
00:33:54 and i wasn't trying to impress anybody i was showing the draw stroke and then i would look 0.99
00:33:58 at my holster and i put it away people were like too bad you got to look at your holster you idiot 0.99
00:34:03 who's this loser and i'm like oh that's interesting and then i thought to myself 0.99
00:34:08 wow there's people who are so uninformed and they watch somebody talk about it like you should 0.98
00:34:16 always maintain eyes on the threat when you're putting your gun away which means you don't look
00:34:22 at your holster and then i thought to myself there's no point in any tactical scenario
00:34:27 where you would put your gun away if you thought there was still a threat a good point yeah if you
00:34:34 thought there was a threat you'd keep it out you would keep it out it you know it might not be
00:34:38 presented looking through the sites it might be back you know into retraction but you wouldn't
00:34:42 put it away so if you put it away you're basically going in air quotes admin and if you're going
00:34:47 admin it means the fight's over and if you're in the middle of the night or you just had a spike
00:34:51 and cortisol and adrenaline, then you might want to take a glance at your holster so you could
00:34:56 use basic eye hand coordination to put it back because you're probably trembling because it's
00:35:00 the first gunfight you've ever been in. And I realized like a lot of the perspectives that we
00:35:06 have and the vomiting that we do has little to do with truth and everything to do with emotions and
00:35:13 feelings about certain things, especially things that we tie to our own identity, our own persona.
00:35:20 and so if i say to you like that's not the right tactic you you don't just take it like oh really
00:35:26 what's the critical feedback you take it personal because you're like how dare you insult my identity
00:35:31 it's like dude i wasn't insulting your identity i was giving you criticism on a technique oh no no
00:35:37 you you were calling me out it's like oh so many people wear their identity on their shoulder
00:35:43 and when criticized they completely melt down and so what i started doing is capturing myself where 0.98
00:35:50 i'd be like who the hell is this dude what is this idiot doing and i'm like oh that's probably 0.92
00:35:54 that's probably hang up on my end that's that probably has nothing to do with what that dude's 0.99
00:35:59 doing because i don't even know who that is and has everything to do with what's going on in me
00:36:04 at the time yeah that's interesting that's good feedback i mean i and and not only the emotions
00:36:10 behind it but just the physiology behind the way that we respond to events like uh about two months
00:36:18 ago I had, I was in the airport and there was a young woman. I'm at the counter and I look over
00:36:24 because I caught it out of the corner of my eye and she was passing out and she hit her head hard 0.95
00:36:30 on the ground. I'm like, Oh damn. And so I went over there and everybody's looking around like 0.99
00:36:37 who's going to do something, what's going on. So I ran over there and I told somebody to like get,
00:36:42 get a police officer, get TSA. Like, is there a medic around? And a couple of guys were kind
00:36:49 of tending to her as well. I'm like, Hey, just keep her immobile when she wakes up, like make
00:36:55 sure she's breathing, keep her immobile. When she wakes up, let's figure out what's going on.
00:36:59 I get on the phone with, you know, I called 911 and there's three or four people helping and
00:37:04 nobody else is doing anything. And I'm not tooting my horn because what I'm saying is even in that
00:37:09 moment where I knew what to do, I was still jittery. I was still anxious. I was still fired
00:37:15 up and I'm like, Oh, what do I do here? And it's amazing how often are just our physiological
00:37:21 programming will go a little bit haywire when things go South. It's, it's interesting because
00:37:27 you always hear guys who are like, if that guy did that, I'd kick his ass. Or if that happened 1.00
00:37:33 to me, here's how I do it. It's like, eh, would you do it that way? If you've never trained,
00:37:37 I don't think you'd really do it that way. Yeah. I think we always look at preparedness in that
00:37:44 sense and how we react or respond through a mental image or model that we've used our
00:37:52 imagination to evolve or develop. And so we think, oh man, this is how we respond. And we forget
00:37:58 that, you know, the, the, the comfortable 75 degree day of you keyhole in your target,
00:38:04 It's not a representation of how you respond to actual combat or stressful event because we don't pay attention to what the central nervous system by primal design is going to activate.
00:38:16 I mean, fight, flight or freeze or the sympathetic nervous response is enhancing physical attributes to physically get you through a confrontation that doesn't often need a lot of physical evolution.
00:38:32 it needs cognitive and critical thinking it needs technical and manual processes like even picking
00:38:39 up the phone and dial 9-1-1 i've i've been in situations where i've seen people who can't
00:38:43 communicate basic information because they're so full of filled with uh cortisol and adrenaline
00:38:49 they fumble through their own words or they're so hyped up they can't even identify or uh
00:38:56 comprehend what's going on and so i think again that's that has a lot to do with what this is
00:39:01 it's it's it's not a reaction or response to to some kind of self-defense scenario it's all
00:39:09 correlated to stress so if if you can't manage stress because you lose your marbles in a traffic
00:39:18 jam or somebody cuts you off how are you going to do that under the most immense and profound stress
00:39:23 where somebody pulls a gun on you or you you witness an accident and and you're all jacked
00:39:28 up with adrenaline. Well, one, you got to stress inoculate too. You got to realize what it is by
00:39:33 design. And I think a lot of people, I spend a lot of time educating people on that process
00:39:38 because they don't understand how it works. You do a lot with obviously field craft survival,
00:39:44 and I'm going to get into that. And then, um, an organization called American contingency.
00:39:49 And I think there's been some criticism with that. Do you feel like you ever had,
00:39:53 as you've gone through your, your share of trials, specifically over the past two to three
00:39:56 years. Do you feel like there was a target painted on your back because of the work that you were
00:40:02 doing specifically with American contingency? Yeah. I mean, you know, I was targeted by the
00:40:08 government. Even a lot of people in American contingency thought, I mean, these are the
00:40:14 fringes, but they thought that like Mike Glover is going to fly out in a little bird and rally
00:40:19 the troops to go do an invasion or something. You know, I was like, or they thought like,
00:40:25 where's mike at it's like my like mike clever is going to come and rescue like dude i'm going to
00:40:29 be in the threshold of my doorway protecting my family taking care of your family yeah yeah it's
00:40:33 like i i hate to say it i really don't care about you or your family i'll give you the educational
00:40:39 tools i'll motivate you it made me realize in a lot of ways that group think and human psychology
00:40:47 is very unique i mean it's it's the most simplistic kind of ancestral demands and signals
00:40:56 but it also can get super convoluted without an understanding of what is actually happening
00:41:02 and so when you train a whole bunch of people to be prepared a certain percentage of the audience
00:41:07 and the government is going to think that you're training a militia for warfare you know for for
00:41:14 Right. For anti-government purposes. So all in all, I'm glad I have an empathetic side to me
00:41:22 because the alternative would be shouting and raging into the camera and telling people to go
00:41:26 off. But the reality is I understand what's going on. And I see a lot of broken people looking for
00:41:33 purpose and identity and they're trying to jump on the bandwagon. And it's understandable. But I
00:41:39 didn't try to create a bandwagon you know i don't want a bandwagon i don't want to be the leader of
00:41:44 a movement i want to take care of my family i want to educate people on how to best uh best be
00:41:49 prepared and best practice and that's about it i'll influence people people are like this is the
00:41:56 funniest thing i picked up some wheels right before um i was on this podcast and i went to
00:42:02 this guy's house and i bought him for my my 1980 ford f350 and when i jumped out of the truck he's
00:42:09 like mike glover i'm like hey what's up man and he goes oh my god what are you doing i'm like i'm
00:42:13 buying some wheels right i'm just like buying buying some wheels yeah well he and i use a fake
00:42:20 name on on marketplace because when i was mike glover on marketplace they'd be like you're using
00:42:26 somebody else's identity and they would block me so i'm trying to get anything done i'm trying to
00:42:32 buy a lego set for my kids down the road and they're like you're not mike glover you scammer
00:42:36 And I'm like, it's me.
00:42:38 I even remember sending videos like, hey, man, I'm trying to buy some Legos.
00:42:42 Like, it's actually me.
00:42:44 That's funny.
00:42:45 But what I realized is, like, people want a hero.
00:42:48 They want somebody to represent that.
00:42:53 But they don't want to be leaders in their own homes.
00:42:55 And I think when we look at the world around us, you know, we watched A-Team and Airwolf.
00:43:02 And we saw movies like Full Metal Jacket.
00:43:04 And, you know, Hulk Hogan was a hero.
00:43:06 but it's like then we got off then we got out and we started living our lives i can't tell you how
00:43:12 many men who said you're a mentor to me and that's shocking because one i know they're probably
00:43:19 absent of a mentor too it's likely their father and they're they grew up in a fatherless home
00:43:24 and three the immense responsibility and burden of that is heavy um people think i'm a socialite
00:43:32 They think I'm an extrovert. 0.88
00:43:34 I hate people.
00:43:35 I honestly do, right? 0.96
00:43:36 I'm not joking.
00:43:37 And I'm not joking to your audience.
00:43:39 I do not like being around people.
00:43:42 I don't like big crowds.
00:43:44 And they think that because they're watching me on YouTube talk to my cell phone.
00:43:49 But that's what I'm doing.
00:43:50 I'm talking to a cell phone.
00:43:52 And so it's a weird conundrum.
00:43:54 And the point of all that is, look, if you're a man listening to this, you at some point have to be a sole proprietor for your own life.
00:44:02 and you can't use all the influencers and the authors and the movie stars that you watch
00:44:09 shape and mentor you. You have to decide at some point that it's time to kick it off.
00:44:16 Yeah. Use them for guidance. Use them for advice. Like I'm sure a lot of people do for this podcast,
00:44:21 but be a man and stand up and be a sole proprietor of your own fate,
00:44:25 because that's going to shape and define your family as well.
00:44:29 I think that's a really good point because as I was going through my stuff, people were like, oh, well, you know, you weren't the guy you said you were.
00:44:35 And, you know, there was definitely some hypocrisy taking place on my end.
00:44:39 But at the same time, I thought to myself, man, you put me on too high of a pedestal.
00:44:44 Like not only did you put me on a pedestal that I don't belong on, that I can't live up to, you idolized me or idolized me rather.
00:44:53 And that set you up for failure.
00:44:56 your your success or who you are as a man should not be determined by me or order of man and you
00:45:02 see this all the time you know you see you see influencers fall you see influencers lie you see
00:45:07 influencers have their own their own issues because they're human beings i feel like go ahead
00:45:13 well the the the function of order of man involves dysfunction and disorder like like the order of
00:45:23 man involves disorder because that's what men are. We're imperfect beings that navigate trials
00:45:31 and tribulations. We're not perfect by any means. In fact, where we strive in this idea of order of
00:45:40 man or being a man, period, is by how we shape ourselves by picking ourselves up and moving
00:45:47 forward and so that resilience is not built off of perfection it's built off of mistakes
00:45:53 trials and tribulations falling hard on your face and then getting back up and doing it all over
00:45:59 again that's what order of man is it's like it's like that that whole saying it's like every you
00:46:05 know everybody has a plan to get punched in the face no everybody gets punched in the face and
00:46:10 that's the plan you know i just made that up i think that was pretty good i like that that was
00:46:15 sharp that was that was good no it is it yeah i will we'll put it we'll put together a reel
00:46:21 but also you know you also talked about um this idea of of purpose and even tribalism you know i
00:46:28 saw this clip just a couple of days ago or yesterday and it was a it was in idaho and i
00:46:34 don't know how long this was ago but they the organizer organized a school a student walkout
00:46:42 And they went to the Capitol building in Idaho, and then they were chanting, you know, we want freedom, we want peace, keep ice off our streets or whatever.
00:46:50 And look, we can all have our perspective and our opinions on it, sure, but there's hundreds of students there chanting this phrase, and I couldn't help but think that probably 90-plus percent of them don't even know what the hell they're saying.
00:47:07 but they're just following this person with a bullhorn who's loud and vocal enough and that
00:47:13 becomes their identity not their own but they're adopting and embracing somebody else's without
00:47:19 having the foresight to figure out what their own perspective is on it yeah it's i was asked this on
00:47:27 a podcast the other day where somebody said well how do you convince somebody that they need to be
00:47:33 prepared and i said i said i don't do any convincing because this isn't a sales tactic this
00:47:39 isn't i don't need to sell anything and if people don't pick up what i'm laying down i'm good with
00:47:43 it because that's part of natural selection in fact because i am prepared and you're not
00:47:49 i will likely survive and if you're ill prepared and i need your resources i'm going to take them
00:47:55 and so this idea that people are going to be even me and you it's not going to happen
00:48:02 That people are going to stand up
00:48:04 And speak their truth
00:48:05 It's not going to happen
00:48:06 People are going to be entrepreneurs and crush it
00:48:08 It's not going to happen
00:48:09 People are going to even be in positions of leadership
00:48:12 It's not going to happen
00:48:14 It's like going through special operations
00:48:17 I had this epiphany
00:48:21 In E7 school 0.69
00:48:24 It's called ANOC
00:48:25 And we had about 100 students
00:48:27 All 18 series, all SF guys
00:48:29 And I won the leadership award
00:48:31 and and they're like well what well how come you got the leadership award some guys ask me like
00:48:37 what what is it that stands out they were asking me like like critically but also like wanting to
00:48:42 know like what's what's the difference between me and and them oh so they were being genuine about
00:48:47 it they weren't being critical necessarily yeah got it they weren't being dicks about it they
00:48:50 were just actually curious to what they could do to improve themselves and i said you know what
00:48:56 I said the reason I am perceived as a better leader than you are is because I'm more vocal
00:49:04 I have the courage to say what I'm thinking I have the uh competence and maybe intelligence
00:49:10 or aptitude to be able to frame that out in a specific way I'm good at communication um
00:49:16 and and those are technical things those are things that you can learn
00:49:20 and and the reality is you can either train those technical things and be a leader or you
00:49:25 could be what 80 percent of the world's going to be part of the pack right and so this idea that
00:49:33 everybody's a leader everybody's an entrepreneur everybody has the same opportunity and it's going
00:49:37 to crush it that's not how this works and so uh you you see it in in the wild i mean you see it
00:49:43 in wolf packs right there's going to be one alpha male if there's one other alpha male that thinks
00:49:50 he's an alpha he's going to get shut down by the alpha and then you're going to have the majority
00:49:54 being beta males in the wolf pack. And that's how the best synergy of natural selection and
00:50:03 evolution is going to work. Know your role and fit in it and just keep your head down and do your
00:50:08 work. You know, understand that you might not be the leader, but you still have a duty and
00:50:14 responsibility and find that and adopt that. I think the problem is with most men is most men,
00:50:21 they think they could be that and when they're not they get frustrated and then they just attack
00:50:26 everybody around them because they they know they can't be that guy which is 99 of the guys who
00:50:33 attacked you 99 of the guys who attacked you that's what that they're that guy totally but
00:50:39 the problem is is those individuals and this is part of human nature and i've often thought about
00:50:43 this i don't know if i've ever vocalized this so i'll vocalize it with you i think part of the
00:50:48 problem of the human species is that we've largely overcome for lack of a better term
00:50:54 natural selection dumb people don't die anymore like I don't I don't know how else to say it like 0.99
00:51:01 in any other species on this planet if you make dumb decisions like the best biggest bulls are 1.00
00:51:07 always the wisest and smartest the dumb bulls get shot get killed get attacked but humans have 1.00
00:51:15 again i don't know how to say it right evolved past this idea of natural selection so ignorant 1.00
00:51:21 people dumb people unhealthy people they just stay alive because we keep them part of the 0.97
00:51:29 organization and i think this might be part of the demise and downfall of the human species quite 1.00
00:51:36 honestly and that's going to ruffle some feathers but that's reality from where i sit yeah a hundred
00:51:42 percent of the guys that spend a lot of time on social media just attacking other men that's who
00:51:48 that is it's it's men who in normal circumstances would not survive anything and because they have
00:51:57 an opinion that's capitalized and amplified on social media that's who they become that's their
00:52:05 strength right that's that's their that's their input to the world and that's how they feed off
00:52:11 of it and what i've realized in and kind of coming to a a place to where i feel good in it 0.98
00:52:19 i just go dude like you're calling me out and saying you would beat my ass and you probably 0.95
00:52:25 think that but we know that's not the truth um and and do i need to tell you to come to my front 0.98
00:52:31 door no i don't because i know the truth and so do you and so so that's that's hard enough
00:52:38 of a truth for me to be good with it and them just to be not good with it and continue their
00:52:45 rants and their and their behavior it's like somebody come up to you say saying they will
00:52:50 beat you up and and they make all the threats and you just walk away it's because you we know what
00:52:55 the truth is and when they go home and they lay their head on the pillow they're immersed in that
00:53:00 truth because they live it every single day when they look in the mirror when they look at their
00:53:04 stomach when they, when they, when they look at their situation. And so like, if, if you're a man
00:53:09 wasting any time debating, confronting, or just dealing with that, those kinds of people, you're
00:53:16 wasting every ounce of resource in the wrong direction. I think. I need to be better about
00:53:22 that. Cause I do, I, I sometimes let the, let that get the better of me to go back to what you were
00:53:28 saying about American contingency. And you feel like maybe there was some targeting by, by the
00:53:33 government, do you feel like that was a concerted effort to shut down what, what could potentially
00:53:39 be a threat? Because based on everything that I saw you do, based on all the information that you
00:53:44 put out, it was basically you telling guys to step up and lead in their communities. Like I had an
00:53:49 experience that I've shared here and there. I was actually visited by the FBI when Joe Biden was
00:53:54 elected in, what was it, 2020, um, two FBI agents came to my house to question me about what I was
00:54:03 doing with my organization. And I'm like, what do you mean? What are we doing? Like we're teaching
00:54:07 men to step up as fathers and husbands and business owners and community leaders. Like
00:54:11 there's nothing nefarious about what we're doing. I just want men to be better men. How is that a
00:54:15 bad thing? But I felt like that target got put on my back and I'm sure yours to an even greater
00:54:22 degree i imagine you feel that way yeah we have to remember the number one priority in national
00:54:28 security was the number one threat and the number one threat was white nationalists
00:54:34 the number one threat advertised was domestic terrorism and white nationalists that was
00:54:41 advertised and it's like oh so the isis threat that's not a threat radical jihadism isn't a
00:54:47 threat no no no the white nationalists so when that was when that was disseminated their priority
00:54:54 was looking at every white nationalist group i was called a white nationalist i'm half korean
00:54:58 i was called a right-wing extremist a white supremacist which is interesting um and and
00:55:05 the picture that i mean it started with an open source report which is an article that was ran
00:55:10 on me by the guardian by this i still want to sue this guy um there's no statute of limitations on
00:55:17 So I've got some time that this dude wrote an article about how I am a former operator, a former CIA contractor.
00:55:26 And I'm training people to be basically a militia, a violent extremist group.
00:55:32 Right. Well, that was reposted by USA Today.
00:55:35 and an open source analyst from the FBI is the one who like raised it to the level that it was
00:55:43 where they did an investigation and completely destroyed my business. I mean, they canceled my
00:55:48 Shopify. They disconnected my merchant service account. They did everything that you could do
00:55:54 very illegally to violate my constitutional rights because they thought I was a domestic
00:55:59 terrorist. I was on a domestic terrorist watch list, by the way. I mean, when I flew domestically,
00:56:04 i had a tsa guy finally like after the sixth time of pulling me into secondary after scanning my
00:56:11 airline ticket i was late for i missed three of these flights out of the six times that it happened
00:56:16 he says hey man you're on a watch list like if you work for the cia like you say you work for
00:56:21 the cia if you're a reserve special operations guy like you say you are you might want to let
00:56:27 him know and i actually did i went to the cia i let him know and they made some phone calls
00:56:32 and got me removed from that list.
00:56:34 Actually, I have never said that on a podcast.
00:56:37 That's the first time.
00:56:38 But yeah, I went to the CIA and said, 0.99
00:56:39 hey, I'm on this damn list. 0.99
00:56:41 And they made a phone call to the FBI 0.99
00:56:43 and Department of Homeland Security
00:56:45 had me removed from that.
00:56:46 I think it was rampant.
00:56:48 It was deliberate.
00:56:50 And I think a lot of people are owed apologies.
00:56:53 And in my case, and maybe even in your case,
00:56:55 financial reimbursement.
00:56:58 I mean, I lost millions of dollars in business
00:57:01 as a small business owner entrepreneur from the government's collusion with social media to
00:57:07 destroy me over their opinion of me based on what they perceived well and that's been well
00:57:16 documented now i don't have the studies or anything in front of me or the the literature on it but it
00:57:20 has been documented to this point that the biden administration was colluding with big tech
00:57:26 companies to suppress certain organizations to prop up others this is no longer conspiracy theory
00:57:34 this has been well documented yeah it came out uh project veritas is one of the organizations
00:57:41 it came out in the twitter files and it's been read before the doj and nothing's been done about
00:57:47 it it's weird when that when that whole thing this basically fund that was released after
00:57:54 trump sued the government and they created this like 1.2 or 1.6 billion dollar fund oh yeah that
00:58:00 slush fund they were talking about to recomp to compensate people who were in kind of these
00:58:05 situations i thought to myself i might apply for that because legitimately i have the evidence of
00:58:11 it it's interesting when i did rogan's podcast i talked about that and at the time i was banned
00:58:16 on both facebook um and one of my instagram accounts the following day the following day
00:58:24 those accounts were re-instituted the following day and it's like so you got to get on the biggest
00:58:31 podcast in the country likely i mean call out facebook and zuckerberg and then likely zuckerberg
00:58:37 listened to that and then you know turn the accounts back on after two years of suppression
00:58:43 yeah man it's pretty wild it's pretty scary when you think about what is possible and what the
00:58:49 government can and is willing to do to shut down any sort of potential dissension not even actual
00:58:57 dissension just even potential dissension i mean imagine a world or even a country with millions
00:59:03 of men with what the work you're doing with field craft and american contingency um actually being
00:59:09 well-prepared to lead their people through natural disasters, active shooter situations,
00:59:17 you know, those types of things, or an organization like ours that leads millions of men to
00:59:23 be more engaged with their kids or to stay married or to run businesses.
00:59:30 Heaven forbid, we've got millions of men trying to be better men for their people.
00:59:35 It's wild to me.
00:59:36 yeah the biggest threat to a foreign adversary is a well-prepared citizenry people and and you
00:59:46 think about this idea and i've been told it's a radical idea and then i saw ukraine when it was
00:59:54 being invaded by russia and the ukrainian government was handing out ak-47s to 70 year old
00:59:59 men in line right because every fighting age male which is basically anybody could pull a two-pound 0.92
01:00:05 trigger is going to get a weapon system to fend for their country so what happens when a foreign
01:00:13 adversary thinks it's okay to jump into um our country and invade it not likely to happen but
01:00:22 it's also about tyrannical governments i mean there's a reason why the uk is getting steamrolled
01:00:27 and you're going to prison for a like or a share of a tweet it's not even creating the not even
01:00:33 it's now yeah yeah it's like if you like the tweet they're going to arrest you and put you
01:00:37 in jail i think last year the statistic was 12 000 people in the uk were arrested if that was
01:00:43 happening here we would be using the arms that were constitutionally allowed to hold to fight
01:00:49 a tyrannical government and it's like let's not pretend like that's just for sports and for
01:00:55 hunting i have firearms because i am not worried about a government coming in and tyrannically
01:01:04 overthrowing the citizenry and our rights because my entire neighborhood my entire state and most
01:01:11 of the country that i respect is going to fight for those rights well that's why i always hated 0.99
01:01:16 when people said oh i lost all my guns in a boating accident i'm like i didn't lose shit
01:01:20 in a boating accident i've got it all right here i'm allowed to have it it's all legal 0.89
01:01:25 it's protected by the constitution and i didn't lose a damn thing yeah that's a good point that's
01:01:31 a good point it's like come and take it and it's and look it's it's a balance of powers that's
01:01:37 unspoken right the government knows what's up you got one hrt team some regional swat teams you got
01:01:43 a couple tactical teams you think those guys are going to overthrow our rights it's not going to
01:01:50 happen uh you take a segment of the population of special operations guys who they don't know
01:01:58 the real capability that we have it is not radical on the streets shooting it up it's things that you
01:02:05 don't see right it's under nods shooting moving and communicating and it's like that's enough
01:02:12 to maintain this power of balance or this balance of power that that keeps things the way they should
01:02:18 be where you don't have some radical prime minister stating that he's just going to take
01:02:23 everybody's guns like that just happened in canada where they're like we're going to disarm
01:02:28 you like what and the people are good with that yeah they're good with it because you know one
01:02:33 out of seven families has a shotgun you know in my neighborhood uh uh seven out of seven homes
01:02:41 have ar-15s and shotguns and a ammo supply in their basement to bear
01:02:47 yeah i mean you you even look at what's happening in california is i think just over the past week
01:02:54 or so where they've i believe if i understand correctly they've just passed legislation in
01:02:59 california that says no more no more glocks not because of what glock is or is not doing but
01:03:05 because you can buy an aftermarket product that turns a semi-automatic pistol into a fully
01:03:11 automatic pistol. So it has nothing to do with Glock. It has to do with some third-party system
01:03:16 or third-party product. And the government thinks, California thinks, this is going to go to the
01:03:22 Supreme Court for sure, but California believes that they can say, hey, we're going to usurp your
01:03:27 Second Amendment rights for these really just obscure reasons. It's not going to hold up. And
01:03:33 if it does i i i don't know what to say i mean it's gonna be wild yeah i just posted about this
01:03:39 on phil cross survival's instagram this morning where gavin newsome replied to a new york post
01:03:46 or new york um story about the the trump administration and said in the first sentence
01:03:53 gun laws save lives and that's the furthest thing from the truth because the people who are
01:03:59 committing the crimes are breaking laws they don't follow laws they don't follow laws in the
01:04:04 first place so they don't save lives um i think last year it was 15 000 americans were involved
01:04:11 in some type of shooting via homicide that involved the homicide um and when you just look
01:04:17 at those statistics you know this shooting in montreal the the last officer killed in an
01:04:24 officer-involved shooting was 24 years ago. We have officers in some major cities that are killed
01:04:30 one a month, in some cases multiple per month, where there is a murder in those cities in
01:04:39 Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, every single weekend. And so this idea that giving up our guns
01:04:47 or following a law and restricting your rights is going to lead to safety is a falsehood. It's
01:04:54 just part of this this psycho narrative that these radicals i don't even call them democrats
01:05:00 because there's something else like newsom like mayor bass that are so far off that that makes
01:05:06 you wonder about one it makes you wonder about them but it also makes you wonder like how the
01:05:11 hell do people keep voting them in and i don't think they are i think it's partially corruption
01:05:18 and and it's insane it's insane i don't i don't necessarily i mean i agree with the corruption
01:05:25 and the insanity but i don't necessarily think they're not getting voted in i believe they're
01:05:29 actually getting voted in and it goes back to what you were saying earlier these people are
01:05:34 just more vocal i mean look at what happened in new york with mom donnie and his whole crew
01:05:38 his coalition there if i understand correctly it was 15 of registered voters voted for those
01:05:45 individuals 15 percent one five and the reason they're getting the votes the reason they're
01:05:52 putting getting put in positions of power is because they're just vocal whereas conservatives
01:05:57 have often said and you hear this all the time i do we just want to be left alone i just want to
01:06:03 raise my family i just want to go to work i want to you got to stop doing that look i i do too
01:06:09 but the time has come and gone where we just get to sit back and assume that people are going to
01:06:14 leave us the hell alone they're not and so we need to be just as vocal just as present just as
01:06:19 available just as involved as any sort of extremist like you're talking about yeah even more so and i
01:06:26 also think that you know that number that low voter turnout nearly a hundred percent of them
01:06:32 are benefiting from the benefits that they're distributing amongst them the cell phones the
01:06:40 the free handouts all the things and the difference for them is that if somebody else
01:06:47 comes in they're going to lose their livelihood because they're umbilical corded to the institution
01:06:53 i mean they can't survive without it because they're on welfare they're they're getting the
01:06:58 stipends they're getting all the things so the people who come out and vote are the people who
01:07:01 are like damn this is if somebody else gets in we're going to lose all these opportunities for
01:07:06 ourselves and they're just milking the system and it's like it's like the overwhelming majority of 0.97
01:07:12 those people who voted are are are living because of the system and and that's it that's that's how
01:07:20 it always works in heavy populated densely populated metropolitan cities it always works
01:07:26 that way the reason it's so densely populated is because that's where all the benefits are
01:07:31 all the handouts are and everybody else like you said is just checked out because they're like i'm
01:07:37 just going to live my life i don't need to be involved in politics yeah no i think you're right
01:07:41 and that's why i continue to lean more towards this this idea that if you're not paying into
01:07:48 the system you don't get to determine the system now you can participate sure you can participate
01:07:54 in the american dream you can participate in what we're doing here but unless you're actually
01:07:59 bought into the system through taxpayer dollars and other contributions, you don't get to decide
01:08:05 and vote your own benefits. That's not how this is going to work anymore. So I think that's
01:08:09 first order of business. Unless you're paying taxes, unless you're participating in a meaningful
01:08:14 way, you don't get to vote. You can participate based on what voters determine, but you don't
01:08:20 get a vote if you're not paying to play, if you will. Yeah, I totally agree.
01:08:25 yeah well what's next on the docket for you man i know um with fieldcraft there's there's
01:08:31 there's some turmoil i think it's at some point you're you're ousted in a way uh you've been
01:08:38 asked to come back and and so you're gonna try to rebuild this not from the ground up i think that
01:08:45 almost in a way might be easier but you're trying to fix things and tweak things and adjust things
01:08:50 that maybe were mismanaged over the past several years yeah it's a it's a difficult undertaking i'm
01:08:57 i'm willing to do it because a lot of people are still hanging on and you know we were known for
01:09:02 probably being the biggest preparedness company in the country at one point we we still might be
01:09:08 just numbers wise because there's not a lot of people doing preparedness and survival because
01:09:13 it's a very difficult genre i've seen a lot of business business owners come and go um but the
01:09:20 the gist of it is preparedness is partially education technical training mindset um and also
01:09:32 like philosophical and so i i plan to do a whole bunch of that media wise which the majority is
01:09:38 done media wise a little bit of training and a lot of products you know a lot of tools to give people
01:09:44 the opportunity to be better prepared that as a business strategy is a bad business plan
01:09:51 because it just sucks from the onset it's like capital intensive doesn't scale very yeah heavy
01:09:58 lifting it doesn't scale very well but i'm down for it i know how to do it um and and it's it's
01:10:04 really a personal passion of mine because i love it i love the space and so i'll just continue
01:10:09 using Philcraft, what's now called Philcraft Outposts on those Philcraft survival channels
01:10:15 like YouTube and Instagram and Facebook or email. Educate people, inspire people,
01:10:23 and then have products at the bottom of the funnel for conversion. I'll be selling products.
01:10:29 We still sell products on my company page, which is longhaulsupplycompany.com.
01:10:34 and yeah it's rebuilding it step by step i'm proud to have gone as far as i did in that
01:10:42 segment because it it really turned people's eyes to this weird world of survival um but there's a
01:10:50 lot of work to be done yeah well you've got a partner with us man so whatever you need if you
01:10:55 need us to put information out there get guys tapped into what you're doing i mean our missions
01:11:01 align perfectly my my our motto here is to protect provide and preside and you need training you need
01:11:06 skill sets you need philosophy you need products to be able to do that so if you need any help from
01:11:11 us let us know man but uh yeah happy to share and and uh figure out some ways to get some good
01:11:16 information products and training into the hands of the guys who who need it and want it so appreciate
01:11:22 you man tell us where to uh connect with you where do you want the guys to go and learn a little bit
01:11:27 more about what you're up to i'm most active on my patreon especially because it involves
01:11:33 distilled education and it's not a pitch because you can go on my patreon with
01:11:37 like 13 000 members and and be there completely free but it's patreon.com for such mike glover
01:11:44 and then i'm all over social media i post actively now i haven't been posting for a year
01:11:49 but i active for me is a few times a week i just don't have the stomach to spend a lot of time
01:11:56 doom scrolling because I have diapers to change and a beautiful wife and a whole bunch of goats
01:12:04 and chickens to tend to. So you won't see me as active on there, but Patreon is pretty active.
01:12:10 So if you guys are interested, that's where I would go. Excellent, man. We'll sync everything
01:12:14 up. Mike, I appreciate you joining me today and sharing some of this. Excited to get this to the
01:12:18 guys and keep up the good work and let us know how we can help you. Yeah, I appreciate you, Ryan.
01:12:23 And it's always good talking to you, and it's good to see your face after so long.
01:12:28 And thanks to your audience and everything you guys are doing.
01:12:31 Absolutely.
01:12:33 Gentlemen, there you go, my conversation with Mike Lover.
01:12:35 It's been a while since I had him on, and, man, what a powerful guy.
01:12:40 He's gone through a lot, and there's a lot of judgment circling around him and who he is.
01:12:46 But at the end of the day, this is a guy who's resilient, he's bold, he's courageous,
01:12:49 and he's stepping back into the fray like most men won't. 0.98
01:12:52 And if you've ever got your arse handed to you in one way or the other, whether it's 0.96
01:12:58 self-inflicted or not, it's time to get back in the game. 0.97
01:13:01 And I hope this inspires you to do that.
01:13:03 Make sure to connect with Mike on the gram and other social media accounts.
01:13:06 Check out his products and his companies, Fieldcraft Survival and Long Haul Supply
01:13:13 Company, and get in the game.
01:13:15 And the last thing, speaking of getting in the game, get in the game of accountability.
01:13:19 Get in the game of being around other men who will lead, motivate, inspire, stand shoulder to shoulder with you, and then sit in that last row at your funeral like I talked about.
01:13:29 Go to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.
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