Order of Man - MIKE GLOVER ｜ The Man You're Capable of Being is Dormant Inside of You

00:00:00.460 Most guys think preparedness is just a bunker full of gear and ammo.

00:00:05.800 And my guest today, Mike Glover, knows a little bit better.

00:00:10.080 He's a Green Beret, former CIA contractor and founder of Fieldcraft Survival.

00:00:15.980 And he spent his entire life teaching men that real readiness is in the mind.

00:00:21.180 It's a mindset before a skill set.

00:00:23.400 And that the hardest terrain or circumstances you'll ever have to navigate isn't the wilderness.

00:00:28.500 it's the jail it's the purgatory of your own worst chapter in this conversation mike opens up about

00:00:36.280 hardship redemption and what it took to pick himself up when the ground gave way underneath

00:00:43.000 him we get into why men today aren't weak so much as just broken down physically hormonally

00:00:50.080 spiritually and we also talk about what it takes to rebuild we cover purpose and identity the

00:00:57.560 difference between people who scatter and the people who will always have your back and why

00:01:02.800 being targeted only sharpened his clarity about who he is and what he's built. Guys, this is a

00:01:08.960 very real conversation. It's raw, it's unflinching, and it takes a look into the accountability,

00:01:14.640 manhood, and the courage to say what needs to be said in the right moment. As you'll hear in this

00:01:20.640 podcast, Mike Glover does not hedge and neither do we. You're a man of action. You live life to

00:01:26.560 the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down,

00:01:31.660 you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated,

00:01:37.080 rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become

00:01:43.640 at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:50.060 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order Man podcast. My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and founder,

00:01:54.500 and I've got a very good one lined up with somebody who has been controversial over the

00:01:59.560 past several years, but I'm a firm believer in giving men who I think are doing good work a

00:02:05.080 platform, and I also believe in the idea of redemption. All of us have struggled in one

00:02:09.220 capacity or another, and I'm very excited to have Mike on the podcast to talk about his own

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00:03:49.940 ORDEROFMAN. All right, guys. I'm going to introduce you to Mike. He is a former Green

00:03:54.800 Beret. He's a CIA contractor. He turned two decades of hard-fought and hard-won experience

00:04:02.040 in special ops and very high threat environments into what I would say at this point is one of the

00:04:11.960 most respected names in the preparedness and self-reliance space. He's the founder of Fieldcraft

00:04:17.340 Survival. They were built on preparedness is a complete discipline. It's mindset, it's skill set,

00:04:24.820 it's philosophy, it's training, it's the right tools. And through Fieldcraft and his broader

00:04:31.500 body of work mike has trained countless men and families actually to step to stop outsourcing

00:04:37.420 their safety and become the sole proprietors of their own lives he talks about that in today's

00:04:44.220 podcast but out outside of fieldcraft he also founded american contingency which is a grassroots

00:04:49.840 movement built on the radical idea it's not it should not be radical but it is that a well

00:04:55.520 well-prepared citizenry is the backbone of resilient men and a resilient nation.

00:05:03.080 It's work that by his account, put a target on his back. He talks about that in the podcast

00:05:07.800 and he's no stranger to adversity or public scrutiny or being underestimated. And he's

00:05:14.400 really at this point emerged from that fire with a sharper sense of purpose. And like I said,

00:05:19.980 hard-earned wisdom of redemption accountability what actually holds a man together when everything

00:05:26.860 else is falling apart and he continues to lead and teach and build with his his community of men

00:05:35.740 who refuse to be caught unprepared mike what's up man it's been quite a few years but i saw

00:05:43.360 something you posted on instagram the other day and i'm like we need to have another conversation

00:05:47.280 because there's a lot of story of redemption that I know many men who listen to this podcast

00:05:52.340 would definitely resonate with. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah. It's, it's been a wild ride,

00:05:58.420 but I'm glad I'm still in it. Yeah. Well, I mean, what keeps you in it when you go through

00:06:03.200 hardship and man, I think it's been pretty public with what you've had going on. Some of it's

00:06:07.840 probably just made up and, and fabricated because that is the world we live in and social media,

00:06:14.800 But what keeps you in the game and to keep fighting in a way?

00:06:19.940 Because a lot of guys give up, frankly.

00:06:22.080 Yeah, I want to have some kind of metaphysical or spiritual answer to that.

00:06:26.500 But it's none of that.

00:06:27.800 It's actually my kids.

00:06:29.140 I mean, if my kids weren't around, I probably wouldn't be around.

00:06:34.520 That sounds weird to say.

00:06:36.300 But I've lived a very full life.

00:06:38.660 I've done a lot of things.

00:06:39.640 And it's weird coming full circle that, you know, post 20 years in the military and as a contractor and 10 years later after that, I felt like I've lived 100 lives.

00:06:53.600 And so I'm very fulfilled in life, except I had my kids after all those experiences.

00:06:59.880 So my kids are very young. I have four children.

00:07:01.840 And so they keep me in it because I can't imagine growing up without a father.

00:07:08.020 I grew up with a father in my life and he was a really good father.

00:07:11.780 He is a really good father.

00:07:13.160 And so I want the same for my kids.

00:07:16.420 Yeah, I think that's good motivation.

00:07:18.480 I mean, I'll share something with you that I don't know if I've ever said this publicly or even privately.

00:07:24.600 I think I've just housed it in my own head is there's been times over the past three years where I've just told myself, hey, look, I got 10 more years.

00:07:32.640 Like I need to stay in the game for 10 more years because my oldest son was, you know, eight years old at the time.

00:07:38.860 I'll get 10 years in, do what I need to do to make sure they're raised and I'm checking out.

00:07:43.460 Like, I don't think I've ever shared that with anybody, but I've definitely been there, man.

00:07:48.680 Yeah, I think, I think that resonates, that honesty and vulnerability resonates with a lot of men because look, when we, when we find ourselves in situations that are difficult and we, we feel like we're burdening other people.

00:08:02.640 the selfless mechanism in us thinks that checking out would be easier, not because it's so difficult

00:08:11.680 for us, but because we're creating difficulties for others. And so I think that's a, I wouldn't

00:08:17.600 say normal thought, but it's for sure an honest thought. Yeah. I, you know, I was actually having

00:08:25.280 a conversation with a gentleman by the name of George. He runs an organization called the Tin

00:08:30.460 men. And we did this interview a week or two ago. And he had told me that there's a psychiatrist,

00:08:38.580 a famous psychiatrist, I can't recall who it was. He said, you know, most people, nobody actually

00:08:44.280 is broken. What we say is broken is normal responses to abnormal circumstances. And I

00:08:50.720 thought that was really good because on social media and the public space and public sphere,

00:08:55.720 Everybody will tell you, you know, if you have the slightest misstep or you, you know, slip into addiction, which is what I did, or you have, you know, some other, you know, moral or character flaw that you're broken.

00:09:07.560 It's like, no, you might just be having a normal human response to an abnormal set of circumstances.

00:09:13.900 And I wish more people understood that you're not bad or wrong or horrible or broken.

00:09:19.120 You're just being a human.

00:09:20.480 yeah i think the overwhelming majority of people are good people and they have good intent and then

00:09:27.400 stuff happens and then when it does happen how you react and respond to it is is going to define

00:09:34.320 you and shape you i also think that a lot of men want definitive purpose in their life and if

00:09:41.920 if they don't have purpose because their life is seemingly falling apart

00:09:46.480 um i think that's tough for a lot of men to deal with and so again i'm not encouraging people to

00:09:53.720 check out i just have a very focused purpose and it's my children and without them i don't know

00:10:03.520 what else would move me the way my children move me um again haven't done a lot and i say that

00:10:11.380 because a lot of men haven't done a lot so if you have this whole world in front of you it's very

00:10:17.160 different than an old man with a lot of life experience that looks at his life moving forward

00:10:24.440 and goes yeah i've kind of done it all like what else is there to do and children change everything

00:10:31.280 in my opinion so if okay so let me ask you this if if you wrap up your purpose in your children

00:10:39.240 And I don't think that's wrong, by the way. I do the same. Like I'm here to serve my kids. I'm here to help them grow and learn and become adults. But at some point, like I said, and for me at this point, it's eight years. I think your kids are a little younger than mine. I've got four as well. What do we, what do we do after that? Because our kids are going to move out. They're going to be out on their own. They're going to build their own families. They're going to pursue their own interests, which is all right and good.

00:11:04.540 but do you feel like there's any sort of concern that you have if we wrap up our identity fully

00:11:09.400 and just being a good father, for example? Yeah. But I also think, I also think that's phased.

00:11:16.760 I mean, for example, your, your kids, if your kids are 18 years old, they're living their life

00:11:22.880 and they need guidance. And, and something that's interesting. My mom told me recently,

00:11:26.700 she said all the work that you're doing now in building security around your family

00:11:33.460 is not just the time when your kids are kids um those children grow into adulthood and they might

00:11:41.760 need your support they need your support in adulthood even more so in a lot of cases my mom

00:11:47.460 said to me she said what happens if your son ends up in jail what are you going to do i said oh

00:11:51.880 that's a possibility yeah my my two boys are going to be savages if they're not in the military

00:11:59.160 they're going to get in trouble um just by genetic design they're really physically driven in life

00:12:06.960 and so i think it's phased whether it's raising grandchildren it's providing security and a safe

00:12:14.500 space or place for your children who are now adults i think that's a phased opportunity

00:12:20.400 And so I can't imagine in their lifetime, I would imagine a time where I'd go, OK, now they're on their own and I'm done because I do think you got to be there for them no matter what.

00:12:33.280 And honestly, I have this like this moment, an idea in my head that I want to pass peacefully, surrounded by all my kids and their families, because that would be the best transition.

00:12:50.060 at least at least in my in my head that's how i would want it to end i've always thought i want

00:12:56.160 to go out fighting a grizzly bear but yours is definitely uh a little more comfortable but not

00:13:02.380 quite as exciting a story that the the grandkids and the great grandkids might not tell as readily

00:13:07.640 i think you bring up a good point though because i so i i coined this phrase three or four years

00:13:15.920 ago and I said my job as a father is to render myself obsolete and as a father of a son who's

00:13:22.000 now 18 years old he just graduated he's going on to play college lacrosse my relationship with him

00:13:28.700 the dynamic is going to change and I'm looking at it now and I'm like wait maybe my job isn't

00:13:34.800 to render myself obsolete maybe it's more along the lines of what you're saying it's to evolve

00:13:38.780 so yeah I'm not going to be necessarily putting a roof over his head or making sure he has dinner

00:13:43.720 tonight but still I want to be just as valuable if not more so when he's figuring out dad should

00:13:50.100 I ask her to marry me or should I have a kid or what should I pursue as a career path so

00:13:55.520 yeah there's more nuance now that I'm seeing that on the tail end than there was before and I'm

00:14:01.260 thinking oh my job is just evolving it's not obsolete yeah I think that's a good perspective

00:14:06.820 yeah I've never I never kind of thought about how I would shape that but I think that's the

00:14:12.480 perspective that we should have because um even my difficult moments in life even the loss of

00:14:20.140 teammates deployments divorces um my mom was there and if she wasn't it would have been a whole lot

00:14:30.320 more difficult and so i i do think you know like my mom was there when i graduated reindeer school

00:14:36.260 she pinned my blue cord my infantry blue cord on me she was there for every deployment and that

00:14:41.480 support through every phase of my life has continued and one day she won't be there um

00:14:48.180 and by I guess natural selection and design you know by time she's not there I'll be reaching that

00:14:58.480 age where I might be not obsolete but just in the last phases of my life and I think that's the cycle

00:15:06.240 love it yeah it's it's just it's it's just a natural cycle it's it's not just because there's

00:15:13.400 so much nuance to it and there's so many memories but i think in a lot of ways it's good that we're

00:15:20.640 gonna die at some point i think that's what makes life so valuable because if i knew i wasn't gonna

00:15:26.360 die or you could take my memories out of out of my brain and put it into this other meat sack this

00:15:33.140 like non-biological meat sack. Is that really me? Like, and, and does that take away from the 0.94

00:15:38.840 experience of life? I think it does actually. Yeah. I think the closer you are to potentially

00:15:44.660 losing your life, you know, via an accident, um, cancer that you overcame, you feel more alive and

00:15:53.620 you feel more thankful and grateful for the life that you're living. And so we, we often get

00:15:57.960 complacent and everything but including living and when you're complacent and living you kind of

00:16:03.420 don't assess things like you would if you're closer to that experience that changed everything

00:16:08.700 for you where you know you wake up and breathing feels great because you weren't able to breathe

00:16:14.540 you know it's like that those saying and those montages where it's like you know you you asked

00:16:20.140 for a job you prayed for a job and you got a job and all you do is complain about it you know you

00:16:24.920 ask for a family or children and all you do is complain about how they're you know messing things

00:16:31.340 up or whatever it is it's like we become ungrateful um the less we understand the

00:16:38.880 contemplation that it's going to end and it could end at any moment by the way yeah that's the crazy

00:16:46.000 thing is like you you hear about these stories of people i actually had a close friend uh just

00:16:51.660 recently. I was up in Montana about a month or so ago and his wife was dealing with some medical

00:16:57.440 stuff and she went in, had some tests and some procedures taken care of. She was gone nine days

00:17:03.740 later, man. Nine days. He had nine days left with her. And I had no idea on the 10th day.

00:17:10.920 Zero idea. No idea. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think there's something valuable to understand. Well,

00:17:17.280 let me ask you this. I know you've gone through your fair share of battles. I'm sure personally

00:17:21.520 is, you know, the public stuff you've gone through is probably the tip of the iceberg

00:17:25.740 based on what you've dealt with even personally and behind the scenes. It's pretty hard on social

00:17:31.320 media because things get blown out of proportion. They get misconstrued. People make assumptions.

00:17:36.660 They always assume that, you know, you're the most evil person if you have a slip up or whatever it

00:17:41.060 might be. The mentality of, hey, I'm grateful to be alive. Did you feel that as you've been

00:17:46.080 experiencing what you've been experiencing with field craft survival and your own personal battles?

00:17:51.520 over the past three years and and how have you managed to stay sane and stay in the game to the

00:17:57.800 degree that you've been able to yeah i think you you whenever in a situation where you're fending

00:18:05.520 and fighting for your family or you're really your own individual survival figuratively or literally

00:18:12.180 you reprioritize all the things that you thought were important and those get distilled and washed

00:18:20.660 out i mean i the last thing i cared about was people's opinions mostly strangers i would say

00:18:26.520 all strangers right that were just reading clickbait and headlines from people were trying

00:18:31.120 to capitalize on my very personal very catastrophic life situation and it's interesting like my

00:18:40.300 situation involved um a woman and i thought to myself there's a lot of women out there

00:18:47.460 who can put a lot of men in those situations 1.00

00:18:51.760 in their lifetimes.

00:18:53.180 And I have many friends who have been through difficult things

00:18:55.920 dealing with postpartum, dealing with toxic relationships,

00:18:59.960 divorce, which can be the most toxic thing

00:19:03.320 that men ever deal with in their lives,

00:19:05.420 especially when children are involved.

00:19:07.340 And I thought to myself, because I'm hearing it,

00:19:11.500 because I'm not reading it,

00:19:12.600 because again, the priority was me getting through it

00:19:15.400 and surviving myself.

00:19:17.460 But I thought to myself, man, it must be nice to be in a situation where you're expressing these volatile opinions, not knowing that you could be that guy in months or years in your future.

00:19:31.380 And a lot of men are put through that, just like a lot of women are put through different things.

00:19:35.720 People go through these life situations.

00:19:39.180 I mean, mine just happened to be the spike in the pattern, like a pretty extreme case of it.

00:19:43.680 But it's like that happens.

00:19:44.780 when when i went to jail um which obviously was a shock to me i was surrounded by men who never

00:19:54.320 thought they would be there and and that's how it works for the most part all these men were like

00:20:00.600 normal men regular men and they made one decision or indecision and they ended up where they were

00:20:09.320 at. I mean, again, speaking of jail, I wasn't in prison where you're convicted. I was in jail

00:20:16.020 where you're trying to navigate the justice system to prove your innocence or an admission

00:20:24.180 to guilt or a conviction of guilt. So you're in limbo. You're in purgatory. It's like many men

00:20:31.800 will end up in purgatory and will end up on either side of the fence. And it's like, if you think

00:20:37.220 that expressing your opinion about that like oh look at that that must suck that dude sucks it's 0.99

00:20:42.280 like you might be in that situation and that was the only thing that gave me a little bit of peace 0.98

00:20:48.340 of mind because I'm like oh really that's your opinion you don't know the context of what I'm

00:20:54.160 going through you don't even know the truth which is why it didn't bother me at all but

00:20:59.640 you could be that guy one day as well yeah i mean i used to be overly critical until i started

00:21:08.780 dealing with my own stuff you know i'd see guys who went through divorce and i'm like what's wrong

00:21:12.720 with you and i'd be judgmental or guys dealing with some sort of substance abuse or other addiction

00:21:17.840 and i'd be like what's your problem what's your malfunction and then i start going through it i'm

00:21:22.480 like oh okay got it like there's nuance there's layers there's levels there's there's things that

00:21:30.920 are hard to explain there's things that you can't see on social media and i'm not excusing the

00:21:35.620 behavior i've owned my own personal behavior but i'm also saying that there's nuance to it

00:21:41.380 that people who have never experienced those things simply can't understand and it's really 0.62

00:21:46.640 easy to cast stones if you've never gone through some of the shit that the people you're criticizing 0.96

00:21:52.260 have gone through? Yeah, it's like, it's like depression. You know, if you've never gone 0.99

00:21:58.480 through depression, you think these men are just weak because they should just suck it up and drive

00:22:03.380 on. Not realizing that depression is actually a chemical imbalance and you just can't suck it up 0.78

00:22:10.300 and drive on. It's not the way it works. Having gone through a fit of depression myself where I'm

00:22:16.140 like, what is happening? What is this? I have no idea. And I'm like, no, no mindset is going to

00:22:22.380 get you through that when you're chemically imbalanced because your endocrine system is

00:22:25.940 fried. And so I think one, I just didn't care what was going on in social media. I stayed off

00:22:34.820 of it for over a year and it was pretty nice. It made me realize like, yeah, it made me realize

00:22:40.560 normal people who are just proactive in their own health and well-being, they're not paying 0.99

00:22:48.020 attention to this garbage. And it also made me realize how much people suck and how much I don't 0.99

00:22:54.220 care about them. And it made me more humble, less egotistical, and less likely to care about 0.98

00:23:03.920 people's opinions as strangers to my life because it made me realize like oh so a green beret can

00:23:12.120 capture this who served in the same regiment and who went through the same hardships and he could

00:23:17.440 use it as a marketing tool to destroy my life um and it i was like wow that's how that works okay

00:23:25.000 but now i know you know how do you avoid though becoming jaded because i think it could be easy

00:23:31.240 to become jaded, especially when accusations, levels of accuracy and levels of just complete

00:23:39.320 fabrication, how do you not get jaded to the point where you just tap out of life or relationships

00:23:46.040 or opportunities or, you know, any of that kind of stuff? Yeah, I would say the most significant

00:23:52.840 jading would be what happens all the time when somebody gets attacked on social media and they

00:23:58.340 have a couple bad comments in their in their threads they shut down and stop speaking their

00:24:03.340 their truth you know it happens to every single body um on social media by the way that has a

00:24:08.940 platform and i i remember thinking at one point in my life i was like man i'm i'm like the veteran

00:24:15.520 influencer that never really gets a hard time because i have a good reputation from the military

00:24:21.220 i i i'm not a criminal i i don't do stupid stuff and i'm building a business and then at a

00:24:28.240 certain number no matter how good you perceive yourself you're going to have haters right and

00:24:36.040 and then i realized it's just part of the formula it's more analytical than it is emotional because

00:24:40.860 it's just part par for the course and so it's sad for me to see guys who are really putting out good

00:24:47.980 stuff they do get jaded they shut down and they don't say anything anymore and i struggle with

00:24:54.040 that because I was like why am I even doing this like what's the point of being on social media

00:24:58.460 and talking and trying to help people when I'm getting crapped on um and the only thing that

00:25:06.400 kept me in it is the people that I uh Andy it was uh no it was who was it was Bert Soren from

00:25:13.280 Sorenx told me this in private one time he said at your funeral there's going to be three rows

00:25:19.080 the third row is going to be on their cell phones the second row are going to be people who know

00:25:24.420 you but they're really just there to support the first row and the first row is the people who are

00:25:30.660 always going to have your back and he said you're performing for the first row so who cares in this

00:25:36.140 who cares who's in the second or third and so the people who are in my first row is who i perform

00:25:42.100 for it's why i do what i do it's the guys who say hey mike i listen to a podcast and you're talking

00:25:47.220 about first aid. I carried a first aid kit and I saved my family's life. It's like, why would that

00:25:52.400 not be significant in your life to drive purpose? And then if that's the kind of, uh, uh, affirmation

00:26:00.260 you're getting in a feedback loop, then who the hell cares about the second and third row?

00:26:04.800 Hmm. I like that. It's, it is a little bit counter to what we often hear, uh, which is you shouldn't

00:26:11.560 care about what anybody thinks. It's like, well, no, I actually care about the way my kids view

00:26:17.200 me. I care about the way that the men in my inner circle view me. I care about the way that my

00:26:22.980 clients view me. Not to the point that I'm going to change who I am, but it is a mechanism of

00:26:28.420 accountability for me when I know, hey, I'm going to be more influential with my kids if I'm showing

00:26:33.540 up in powerful ways and they like me and they trust me and they love me. But I get really tired

00:26:38.760 of this idea that we shouldn't care about what anybody thinks and just be your own. No, that

00:26:43.020 that doesn't fly for me maybe for the second and third row but not that first row man

00:26:47.160 yeah i think that's spot on i i i really care about how my daughter thinks about me

00:26:53.020 you know right um i really care about how my wife thinks about me i i could care less

00:26:58.340 about the stranger like every single criticism or attack or public whatever that is that i've

00:27:07.060 gotten none of it's been true in fact it's so short-sighted that not only is it not true but

00:27:13.860 it's not even close to the truth it's completely taken out of context and very far from the truth

00:27:18.880 now if i was getting criticism because i had a drug problem if i had an alcohol problem if i had

00:27:23.720 a domestic violence problem i would be like okay that's that you need to look yourself in the

00:27:28.480 mirror you know and i would i would pay attention to that but that would be coming from the first

00:27:32.980 row that would be true you know they don't live in my house they don't live in my neighborhood

00:27:38.180 they don't know me intimately and so the people who are criticizing me in the first row are telling

00:27:44.340 me face to face it's not the guy in the third row who's throwing shade in a comment um it's not the 0.98

00:27:50.660 guy which has never happened in my life who sees me in ace hardware and he's like you suck because

00:27:55.140 that never happens um so i i think you're right i think what we should care about most is the people

00:28:02.600 that we love that are right in front of us and take our cues from that yeah that's a good point

00:28:08.540 i i've said in the past that not everyone who criticizes you is your enemy and not everyone

00:28:13.700 who praises you is your ally and it's your job as a man to discern like hey yeah this person's

00:28:20.440 being critically uh critical of me but he's earned the right to be critical because he knows me i

00:28:27.480 trust him i know that he loves me and cares about me and wants me to win so he's earned

00:28:32.520 the right to offer some criticism in my life. Absolutely. Yeah. That's, I think that's the

00:28:38.160 right formula for life overall. And, you know, I look at guys like Joe Rogan. I like Joe Rogan.

00:28:44.660 You know, I, I, I've been on his podcast. I met him. He's a great dude. He's in, he's in like

00:28:50.160 an inner circle of a whole bunch of friends of mine who are like some of his best friends.

00:28:54.940 And I think to myself, like, there's nothing about that dude that's unlikable. There's nothing. I

00:28:59.960 mean he's just a likable human being he's pretty rational almost about anything and by statistics

00:29:06.000 he's probably the highest that i know and being balanced in that sense but he gets more criticism

00:29:12.100 than anybody i've ever seen and i'm like oh no okay if that dude's getting crushed online from

00:29:17.540 all the criticism criticism it's just par for the course it's human psychology it's just the way it

00:29:22.540 works and what i realized is most people who are criticizing you have their own insecurities and

00:29:28.880 years uh one time one of my employees told me uh there was an influencer who was talking about God

00:29:36.220 and talking about Jesus and I was like that seems kind of crappy that they're doing that

00:29:41.680 and this person who was my employee said why do you think it's crappy like that's that's isn't

00:29:45.900 that a good thing I was like yeah but it seems like they're trying to profit off of God like

00:29:49.340 why would you talk about God in the first place if you didn't think and I had this whole rant

00:29:53.460 and the reality was it had nothing to do with that influencer person but everything to do with

00:30:00.000 my own insecurities and my own guilt and my own resentment for myself where I'm like I'm building

00:30:04.980 a platform and you should be talking about God and I'm not and it's my own hang-up which is leading

00:30:10.380 to me criticizing that person and so most people who criticize you have a ounce of of empathy

00:30:18.500 because likely that person is dealing

00:30:21.600 with something very difficult in their own lives

00:30:23.800 and they're using that opportunity

00:30:26.500 as a sounding board for their own insecurity

00:30:28.740 or their own flaw.

00:30:31.940 Gentlemen, just a quick timeout on the podcast.

00:30:34.720 I want to ask you a question.

00:30:35.740 If you died tomorrow, who would be in that room?

00:30:39.920 Who would be in that room?

00:30:41.740 Mike Glover put it to us like this.

00:30:44.200 He said, there are three rows at your funeral.

00:30:46.380 one row is on their phone one row simply just knew who you were and the other row would have

00:30:55.700 taken a bullet for you and the question isn't how big the crowd is it's how many men are in that last

00:31:00.520 row and and here's the reality you don't earn that row by default or by accident or by luck or slip

00:31:08.000 into it you earn that through accountability real accountability the kind of accountability that

00:31:13.320 doesn't let you hide. It doesn't let you coast. It doesn't let you lie to yourself about who you're

00:31:18.300 becoming or who you're capable of becoming. And that's exactly what the Iron Council is. This is

00:31:23.400 not a Facebook group. It's not a feel good, pat you on the back, tickle your balls to make you 1.00

00:31:28.120 feel better about your life decisions. This is a brotherhood of men who hold each other to a 0.98

00:31:33.960 standard, who tell you what needs to be said, even when it's not what you probably don't want to hear

00:31:40.680 and who actually show up when it counts because not everyone who criticizes you is your enemy

00:31:47.420 and not everyone who praises you is your ally but the right men will sharpen you so if you're tired

00:31:55.020 of doing this alone if you want to be the man in someone else's last row or you want to make sure

00:32:01.120 you have men in that last row at your funeral when that time comes get in the game truly get

00:32:06.060 in the game with other men who will be there for you, not only in that last row, but while

00:32:11.080 you're here and while you're breathing and living and have an opportunity to impact your

00:32:14.640 life and the lives of the people around you. Again, get in the game with men who refuse

00:32:20.120 to let you stay the same. Check it out at orderofman.com slash iron council. That's

00:32:26.320 orderofman.com slash iron council. Do that right after my conversation. For now, let's

00:32:32.780 finish it up with Mike. Well, that that's actually really interesting because as you were saying

00:32:38.120 that I actually made some comments on an influencers post very much about what you just

00:32:43.680 said. And now that you said that you're calling me out a little, I'm like, wait, hold on a second.

00:32:48.840 Like, is that my issue? Cause I think a lot of people, same thing, like profiting off of it.

00:32:52.800 I think it's really in vogue and trendy to, you know, like Jesus Christ and all of that.

00:32:57.980 And at the same time, it's like, no, that's a good thing. More people are hearing his message,

00:33:01.520 but i've had my own insecurities and my own frustrations and my own questions about

00:33:06.700 spirituality and god and christ i gotta reflect on that a little bit if i'm being honest

00:33:12.720 yeah it's like the easiest for men to understand is like the the tactical debate right everybody

00:33:19.900 has their own view of tactics and you know tactical tactical discussion should always be

00:33:25.600 an open forum for discussion but it never is because everybody is bought and sold on their

00:33:30.860 tactics because it becomes their persona their religion it's like well i went to this school

00:33:35.660 and this is how it is it's like i don't care if that's how it is tactics are developed and evolved

00:33:42.740 based on human psychology which means it's always variable it always shifts adapts changes and and

00:33:49.900 whenever you get a tactical discussion i mean i did a video once where i was drawing a pistol

00:33:54.380 and i wasn't trying to impress anybody i was showing the draw stroke and then i would look 0.99

00:33:58.840 at my holster and i put it away people were like too bad you got to look at your holster you idiot 0.99

00:34:03.620 who's this loser and i'm like oh that's interesting and then i thought to myself 0.99

00:34:08.980 wow there's people who are so uninformed and they watch somebody talk about it like you should 0.98

00:34:16.740 always maintain eyes on the threat when you're putting your gun away which means you don't look

00:34:22.140 at your holster and then i thought to myself there's no point in any tactical scenario

00:34:27.860 where you would put your gun away if you thought there was still a threat a good point yeah if you

00:34:34.160 thought there was a threat you'd keep it out you would keep it out it you know it might not be

00:34:38.440 presented looking through the sites it might be back you know into retraction but you wouldn't

00:34:42.680 put it away so if you put it away you're basically going in air quotes admin and if you're going

00:34:47.680 admin it means the fight's over and if you're in the middle of the night or you just had a spike

00:34:51.560 and cortisol and adrenaline, then you might want to take a glance at your holster so you could

00:34:56.460 use basic eye hand coordination to put it back because you're probably trembling because it's

00:35:00.800 the first gunfight you've ever been in. And I realized like a lot of the perspectives that we

00:35:06.060 have and the vomiting that we do has little to do with truth and everything to do with emotions and

00:35:13.860 feelings about certain things, especially things that we tie to our own identity, our own persona.

00:35:20.700 and so if i say to you like that's not the right tactic you you don't just take it like oh really

00:35:26.080 what's the critical feedback you take it personal because you're like how dare you insult my identity

00:35:31.600 it's like dude i wasn't insulting your identity i was giving you criticism on a technique oh no no

00:35:37.600 you you were calling me out it's like oh so many people wear their identity on their shoulder

00:35:43.920 and when criticized they completely melt down and so what i started doing is capturing myself where 0.98

00:35:50.080 i'd be like who the hell is this dude what is this idiot doing and i'm like oh that's probably 0.92

00:35:54.960 that's probably hang up on my end that's that probably has nothing to do with what that dude's 0.99

00:35:59.520 doing because i don't even know who that is and has everything to do with what's going on in me

00:36:04.520 at the time yeah that's interesting that's good feedback i mean i and and not only the emotions

00:36:10.520 behind it but just the physiology behind the way that we respond to events like uh about two months

00:36:18.200 ago I had, I was in the airport and there was a young woman. I'm at the counter and I look over

00:36:24.520 because I caught it out of the corner of my eye and she was passing out and she hit her head hard 0.95

00:36:30.060 on the ground. I'm like, Oh damn. And so I went over there and everybody's looking around like 0.99

00:36:37.920 who's going to do something, what's going on. So I ran over there and I told somebody to like get,

00:36:42.860 get a police officer, get TSA. Like, is there a medic around? And a couple of guys were kind

00:36:49.980 of tending to her as well. I'm like, Hey, just keep her immobile when she wakes up, like make

00:36:55.000 sure she's breathing, keep her immobile. When she wakes up, let's figure out what's going on.

00:36:59.100 I get on the phone with, you know, I called 911 and there's three or four people helping and

00:37:04.120 nobody else is doing anything. And I'm not tooting my horn because what I'm saying is even in that

00:37:09.880 moment where I knew what to do, I was still jittery. I was still anxious. I was still fired

00:37:15.160 up and I'm like, Oh, what do I do here? And it's amazing how often are just our physiological

00:37:21.700 programming will go a little bit haywire when things go South. It's, it's interesting because

00:37:27.860 you always hear guys who are like, if that guy did that, I'd kick his ass. Or if that happened 1.00

00:37:33.120 to me, here's how I do it. It's like, eh, would you do it that way? If you've never trained,

00:37:37.820 I don't think you'd really do it that way. Yeah. I think we always look at preparedness in that

00:37:44.620 sense and how we react or respond through a mental image or model that we've used our

00:37:52.240 imagination to evolve or develop. And so we think, oh man, this is how we respond. And we forget

00:37:58.700 that, you know, the, the, the comfortable 75 degree day of you keyhole in your target,

00:38:04.100 It's not a representation of how you respond to actual combat or stressful event because we don't pay attention to what the central nervous system by primal design is going to activate.

00:38:16.540 I mean, fight, flight or freeze or the sympathetic nervous response is enhancing physical attributes to physically get you through a confrontation that doesn't often need a lot of physical evolution.

00:38:32.460 it needs cognitive and critical thinking it needs technical and manual processes like even picking

00:38:39.280 up the phone and dial 9-1-1 i've i've been in situations where i've seen people who can't

00:38:43.580 communicate basic information because they're so full of filled with uh cortisol and adrenaline

00:38:49.120 they fumble through their own words or they're so hyped up they can't even identify or uh

00:38:56.080 comprehend what's going on and so i think again that's that has a lot to do with what this is

00:39:01.340 it's it's it's not a reaction or response to to some kind of self-defense scenario it's all

00:39:09.980 correlated to stress so if if you can't manage stress because you lose your marbles in a traffic

00:39:18.040 jam or somebody cuts you off how are you going to do that under the most immense and profound stress

00:39:23.460 where somebody pulls a gun on you or you you witness an accident and and you're all jacked

00:39:28.760 up with adrenaline. Well, one, you got to stress inoculate too. You got to realize what it is by

00:39:33.780 design. And I think a lot of people, I spend a lot of time educating people on that process

00:39:38.620 because they don't understand how it works. You do a lot with obviously field craft survival,

00:39:44.340 and I'm going to get into that. And then, um, an organization called American contingency.

00:39:49.420 And I think there's been some criticism with that. Do you feel like you ever had,

00:39:53.240 as you've gone through your, your share of trials, specifically over the past two to three

00:39:56.980 years. Do you feel like there was a target painted on your back because of the work that you were

00:40:02.900 doing specifically with American contingency? Yeah. I mean, you know, I was targeted by the

00:40:08.900 government. Even a lot of people in American contingency thought, I mean, these are the

00:40:14.780 fringes, but they thought that like Mike Glover is going to fly out in a little bird and rally

00:40:19.960 the troops to go do an invasion or something. You know, I was like, or they thought like,

00:40:25.460 where's mike at it's like my like mike clever is going to come and rescue like dude i'm going to

00:40:29.240 be in the threshold of my doorway protecting my family taking care of your family yeah yeah it's

00:40:33.920 like i i hate to say it i really don't care about you or your family i'll give you the educational

00:40:39.500 tools i'll motivate you it made me realize in a lot of ways that group think and human psychology

00:40:47.460 is very unique i mean it's it's the most simplistic kind of ancestral demands and signals

00:40:56.120 but it also can get super convoluted without an understanding of what is actually happening

00:41:02.120 and so when you train a whole bunch of people to be prepared a certain percentage of the audience

00:41:07.700 and the government is going to think that you're training a militia for warfare you know for for

00:41:14.200 Right. For anti-government purposes. So all in all, I'm glad I have an empathetic side to me

00:41:22.260 because the alternative would be shouting and raging into the camera and telling people to go

00:41:26.800 off. But the reality is I understand what's going on. And I see a lot of broken people looking for

00:41:33.620 purpose and identity and they're trying to jump on the bandwagon. And it's understandable. But I

00:41:39.520 didn't try to create a bandwagon you know i don't want a bandwagon i don't want to be the leader of

00:41:44.300 a movement i want to take care of my family i want to educate people on how to best uh best be

00:41:49.660 prepared and best practice and that's about it i'll influence people people are like this is the

00:41:56.220 funniest thing i picked up some wheels right before um i was on this podcast and i went to

00:42:02.900 this guy's house and i bought him for my my 1980 ford f350 and when i jumped out of the truck he's

00:42:09.180 like mike glover i'm like hey what's up man and he goes oh my god what are you doing i'm like i'm

00:42:13.460 buying some wheels right i'm just like buying buying some wheels yeah well he and i use a fake

00:42:20.340 name on on marketplace because when i was mike glover on marketplace they'd be like you're using

00:42:26.040 somebody else's identity and they would block me so i'm trying to get anything done i'm trying to

00:42:32.200 buy a lego set for my kids down the road and they're like you're not mike glover you scammer

00:42:36.600 And I'm like, it's me.

00:42:38.560 I even remember sending videos like, hey, man, I'm trying to buy some Legos.

00:42:42.400 Like, it's actually me.

00:42:44.480 That's funny.

00:42:45.320 But what I realized is, like, people want a hero.

00:42:48.600 They want somebody to represent that.

00:42:53.000 But they don't want to be leaders in their own homes.

00:42:55.860 And I think when we look at the world around us, you know, we watched A-Team and Airwolf.

00:43:02.080 And we saw movies like Full Metal Jacket.

00:43:04.340 And, you know, Hulk Hogan was a hero.

00:43:06.600 but it's like then we got off then we got out and we started living our lives i can't tell you how

00:43:12.920 many men who said you're a mentor to me and that's shocking because one i know they're probably

00:43:19.320 absent of a mentor too it's likely their father and they're they grew up in a fatherless home

00:43:24.800 and three the immense responsibility and burden of that is heavy um people think i'm a socialite

00:43:32.780 They think I'm an extrovert. 0.88

00:43:34.320 I hate people.

00:43:35.560 I honestly do, right? 0.96

00:43:36.800 I'm not joking.

00:43:37.740 And I'm not joking to your audience.

00:43:39.480 I do not like being around people.

00:43:42.120 I don't like big crowds.

00:43:44.580 And they think that because they're watching me on YouTube talk to my cell phone.

00:43:49.260 But that's what I'm doing.

00:43:50.840 I'm talking to a cell phone.

00:43:52.580 And so it's a weird conundrum.

00:43:54.980 And the point of all that is, look, if you're a man listening to this, you at some point have to be a sole proprietor for your own life.

00:44:02.780 and you can't use all the influencers and the authors and the movie stars that you watch

00:44:09.780 shape and mentor you. You have to decide at some point that it's time to kick it off.

00:44:16.040 Yeah. Use them for guidance. Use them for advice. Like I'm sure a lot of people do for this podcast,

00:44:21.180 but be a man and stand up and be a sole proprietor of your own fate,

00:44:25.580 because that's going to shape and define your family as well.

00:44:29.460 I think that's a really good point because as I was going through my stuff, people were like, oh, well, you know, you weren't the guy you said you were.

00:44:35.720 And, you know, there was definitely some hypocrisy taking place on my end.

00:44:39.520 But at the same time, I thought to myself, man, you put me on too high of a pedestal.

00:44:44.460 Like not only did you put me on a pedestal that I don't belong on, that I can't live up to, you idolized me or idolized me rather.

00:44:53.940 And that set you up for failure.

00:44:56.300 your your success or who you are as a man should not be determined by me or order of man and you

00:45:02.080 see this all the time you know you see you see influencers fall you see influencers lie you see

00:45:07.260 influencers have their own their own issues because they're human beings i feel like go ahead

00:45:13.800 well the the the function of order of man involves dysfunction and disorder like like the order of

00:45:23.320 man involves disorder because that's what men are. We're imperfect beings that navigate trials

00:45:31.380 and tribulations. We're not perfect by any means. In fact, where we strive in this idea of order of

00:45:40.660 man or being a man, period, is by how we shape ourselves by picking ourselves up and moving

00:45:47.020 forward and so that resilience is not built off of perfection it's built off of mistakes

00:45:53.160 trials and tribulations falling hard on your face and then getting back up and doing it all over

00:45:59.900 again that's what order of man is it's like it's like that that whole saying it's like every you

00:46:05.540 know everybody has a plan to get punched in the face no everybody gets punched in the face and

00:46:10.040 that's the plan you know i just made that up i think that was pretty good i like that that was

00:46:15.420 sharp that was that was good no it is it yeah i will we'll put it we'll put together a reel

00:46:21.400 but also you know you also talked about um this idea of of purpose and even tribalism you know i

00:46:28.540 saw this clip just a couple of days ago or yesterday and it was a it was in idaho and i

00:46:34.540 don't know how long this was ago but they the organizer organized a school a student walkout

00:46:42.260 And they went to the Capitol building in Idaho, and then they were chanting, you know, we want freedom, we want peace, keep ice off our streets or whatever.

00:46:50.980 And look, we can all have our perspective and our opinions on it, sure, but there's hundreds of students there chanting this phrase, and I couldn't help but think that probably 90-plus percent of them don't even know what the hell they're saying.

00:47:07.400 but they're just following this person with a bullhorn who's loud and vocal enough and that

00:47:13.700 becomes their identity not their own but they're adopting and embracing somebody else's without

00:47:19.380 having the foresight to figure out what their own perspective is on it yeah it's i was asked this on

00:47:27.740 a podcast the other day where somebody said well how do you convince somebody that they need to be

00:47:33.560 prepared and i said i said i don't do any convincing because this isn't a sales tactic this

00:47:39.280 isn't i don't need to sell anything and if people don't pick up what i'm laying down i'm good with

00:47:43.820 it because that's part of natural selection in fact because i am prepared and you're not

00:47:49.440 i will likely survive and if you're ill prepared and i need your resources i'm going to take them

00:47:55.300 and so this idea that people are going to be even me and you it's not going to happen

00:48:02.400 That people are going to stand up

00:48:04.740 And speak their truth

00:48:05.840 It's not going to happen

00:48:06.680 People are going to be entrepreneurs and crush it

00:48:08.620 It's not going to happen

00:48:09.380 People are going to even be in positions of leadership

00:48:12.900 It's not going to happen

00:48:14.260 It's like going through special operations

00:48:17.220 I had this epiphany

00:48:21.480 In E7 school 0.69

00:48:24.420 It's called ANOC

00:48:25.420 And we had about 100 students

00:48:27.920 All 18 series, all SF guys

00:48:29.740 And I won the leadership award

00:48:31.300 and and they're like well what well how come you got the leadership award some guys ask me like

00:48:37.560 what what is it that stands out they were asking me like like critically but also like wanting to

00:48:42.780 know like what's what's the difference between me and and them oh so they were being genuine about

00:48:47.280 it they weren't being critical necessarily yeah got it they weren't being dicks about it they

00:48:50.480 were just actually curious to what they could do to improve themselves and i said you know what

00:48:56.000 I said the reason I am perceived as a better leader than you are is because I'm more vocal

00:49:04.260 I have the courage to say what I'm thinking I have the uh competence and maybe intelligence

00:49:10.140 or aptitude to be able to frame that out in a specific way I'm good at communication um

00:49:16.320 and and those are technical things those are things that you can learn

00:49:20.080 and and the reality is you can either train those technical things and be a leader or you

00:49:25.600 could be what 80 percent of the world's going to be part of the pack right and so this idea that

00:49:33.020 everybody's a leader everybody's an entrepreneur everybody has the same opportunity and it's going

00:49:37.260 to crush it that's not how this works and so uh you you see it in in the wild i mean you see it

00:49:43.320 in wolf packs right there's going to be one alpha male if there's one other alpha male that thinks

00:49:50.160 he's an alpha he's going to get shut down by the alpha and then you're going to have the majority

00:49:54.620 being beta males in the wolf pack. And that's how the best synergy of natural selection and

00:50:03.340 evolution is going to work. Know your role and fit in it and just keep your head down and do your

00:50:08.940 work. You know, understand that you might not be the leader, but you still have a duty and

00:50:14.880 responsibility and find that and adopt that. I think the problem is with most men is most men,

00:50:21.320 they think they could be that and when they're not they get frustrated and then they just attack

00:50:26.540 everybody around them because they they know they can't be that guy which is 99 of the guys who

00:50:33.340 attacked you 99 of the guys who attacked you that's what that they're that guy totally but

00:50:39.080 the problem is is those individuals and this is part of human nature and i've often thought about

00:50:43.920 this i don't know if i've ever vocalized this so i'll vocalize it with you i think part of the

00:50:48.340 problem of the human species is that we've largely overcome for lack of a better term

00:50:54.460 natural selection dumb people don't die anymore like I don't I don't know how else to say it like 0.99

00:51:01.100 in any other species on this planet if you make dumb decisions like the best biggest bulls are 1.00

00:51:07.640 always the wisest and smartest the dumb bulls get shot get killed get attacked but humans have 1.00

00:51:15.120 again i don't know how to say it right evolved past this idea of natural selection so ignorant 1.00

00:51:21.400 people dumb people unhealthy people they just stay alive because we keep them part of the 0.97

00:51:29.720 organization and i think this might be part of the demise and downfall of the human species quite 1.00

00:51:36.240 honestly and that's going to ruffle some feathers but that's reality from where i sit yeah a hundred

00:51:42.500 percent of the guys that spend a lot of time on social media just attacking other men that's who

00:51:48.720 that is it's it's men who in normal circumstances would not survive anything and because they have

00:51:57.940 an opinion that's capitalized and amplified on social media that's who they become that's their

00:52:05.040 strength right that's that's their that's their input to the world and that's how they feed off

00:52:11.120 of it and what i've realized in and kind of coming to a a place to where i feel good in it 0.98

00:52:19.580 i just go dude like you're calling me out and saying you would beat my ass and you probably 0.95

00:52:25.900 think that but we know that's not the truth um and and do i need to tell you to come to my front 0.98

00:52:31.840 door no i don't because i know the truth and so do you and so so that's that's hard enough

00:52:38.520 of a truth for me to be good with it and them just to be not good with it and continue their

00:52:45.660 rants and their and their behavior it's like somebody come up to you say saying they will

00:52:50.260 beat you up and and they make all the threats and you just walk away it's because you we know what

00:52:55.720 the truth is and when they go home and they lay their head on the pillow they're immersed in that

00:53:00.940 truth because they live it every single day when they look in the mirror when they look at their

00:53:04.140 stomach when they, when they, when they look at their situation. And so like, if, if you're a man

00:53:09.320 wasting any time debating, confronting, or just dealing with that, those kinds of people, you're

00:53:16.720 wasting every ounce of resource in the wrong direction. I think. I need to be better about

00:53:22.720 that. Cause I do, I, I sometimes let the, let that get the better of me to go back to what you were

00:53:28.800 saying about American contingency. And you feel like maybe there was some targeting by, by the

00:53:33.440 government, do you feel like that was a concerted effort to shut down what, what could potentially

00:53:39.720 be a threat? Because based on everything that I saw you do, based on all the information that you

00:53:44.520 put out, it was basically you telling guys to step up and lead in their communities. Like I had an

00:53:49.420 experience that I've shared here and there. I was actually visited by the FBI when Joe Biden was

00:53:54.680 elected in, what was it, 2020, um, two FBI agents came to my house to question me about what I was

00:54:03.140 doing with my organization. And I'm like, what do you mean? What are we doing? Like we're teaching

00:54:07.380 men to step up as fathers and husbands and business owners and community leaders. Like

00:54:11.100 there's nothing nefarious about what we're doing. I just want men to be better men. How is that a

00:54:15.820 bad thing? But I felt like that target got put on my back and I'm sure yours to an even greater

00:54:22.040 degree i imagine you feel that way yeah we have to remember the number one priority in national

00:54:28.600 security was the number one threat and the number one threat was white nationalists

00:54:34.360 the number one threat advertised was domestic terrorism and white nationalists that was

00:54:41.740 advertised and it's like oh so the isis threat that's not a threat radical jihadism isn't a

00:54:47.380 threat no no no the white nationalists so when that was when that was disseminated their priority

00:54:54.460 was looking at every white nationalist group i was called a white nationalist i'm half korean

00:54:58.380 i was called a right-wing extremist a white supremacist which is interesting um and and

00:55:05.120 the picture that i mean it started with an open source report which is an article that was ran

00:55:10.580 on me by the guardian by this i still want to sue this guy um there's no statute of limitations on

00:55:17.160 So I've got some time that this dude wrote an article about how I am a former operator, a former CIA contractor.

00:55:26.940 And I'm training people to be basically a militia, a violent extremist group.

00:55:32.400 Right. Well, that was reposted by USA Today.

00:55:35.240 and an open source analyst from the FBI is the one who like raised it to the level that it was

00:55:43.180 where they did an investigation and completely destroyed my business. I mean, they canceled my

00:55:48.760 Shopify. They disconnected my merchant service account. They did everything that you could do

00:55:54.880 very illegally to violate my constitutional rights because they thought I was a domestic

00:55:59.920 terrorist. I was on a domestic terrorist watch list, by the way. I mean, when I flew domestically,

00:56:04.540 i had a tsa guy finally like after the sixth time of pulling me into secondary after scanning my

00:56:11.940 airline ticket i was late for i missed three of these flights out of the six times that it happened

00:56:16.700 he says hey man you're on a watch list like if you work for the cia like you say you work for

00:56:21.900 the cia if you're a reserve special operations guy like you say you are you might want to let

00:56:27.220 him know and i actually did i went to the cia i let him know and they made some phone calls

00:56:32.600 and got me removed from that list.

00:56:34.640 Actually, I have never said that on a podcast.

00:56:37.160 That's the first time.

00:56:38.300 But yeah, I went to the CIA and said, 0.99

00:56:39.600 hey, I'm on this damn list. 0.99

00:56:41.500 And they made a phone call to the FBI 0.99

00:56:43.080 and Department of Homeland Security

00:56:45.420 had me removed from that.

00:56:46.940 I think it was rampant.

00:56:48.600 It was deliberate.

00:56:50.080 And I think a lot of people are owed apologies.

00:56:53.060 And in my case, and maybe even in your case,

00:56:55.980 financial reimbursement.

00:56:58.200 I mean, I lost millions of dollars in business

00:57:01.500 as a small business owner entrepreneur from the government's collusion with social media to

00:57:07.920 destroy me over their opinion of me based on what they perceived well and that's been well

00:57:16.000 documented now i don't have the studies or anything in front of me or the the literature on it but it

00:57:20.260 has been documented to this point that the biden administration was colluding with big tech

00:57:26.060 companies to suppress certain organizations to prop up others this is no longer conspiracy theory

00:57:34.420 this has been well documented yeah it came out uh project veritas is one of the organizations

00:57:41.060 it came out in the twitter files and it's been read before the doj and nothing's been done about

00:57:47.400 it it's weird when that when that whole thing this basically fund that was released after

00:57:54.160 trump sued the government and they created this like 1.2 or 1.6 billion dollar fund oh yeah that

00:58:00.160 slush fund they were talking about to recomp to compensate people who were in kind of these

00:58:05.840 situations i thought to myself i might apply for that because legitimately i have the evidence of

00:58:11.480 it it's interesting when i did rogan's podcast i talked about that and at the time i was banned

00:58:16.900 on both facebook um and one of my instagram accounts the following day the following day

00:58:24.460 those accounts were re-instituted the following day and it's like so you got to get on the biggest

00:58:31.400 podcast in the country likely i mean call out facebook and zuckerberg and then likely zuckerberg

00:58:37.480 listened to that and then you know turn the accounts back on after two years of suppression

00:58:43.140 yeah man it's pretty wild it's pretty scary when you think about what is possible and what the

00:58:49.520 government can and is willing to do to shut down any sort of potential dissension not even actual

00:58:57.100 dissension just even potential dissension i mean imagine a world or even a country with millions

00:59:03.980 of men with what the work you're doing with field craft and american contingency um actually being

00:59:09.720 well-prepared to lead their people through natural disasters, active shooter situations,

00:59:17.600 you know, those types of things, or an organization like ours that leads millions of men to

00:59:23.740 be more engaged with their kids or to stay married or to run businesses.

00:59:30.020 Heaven forbid, we've got millions of men trying to be better men for their people.

00:59:35.040 It's wild to me.

00:59:36.560 yeah the biggest threat to a foreign adversary is a well-prepared citizenry people and and you

00:59:46.260 think about this idea and i've been told it's a radical idea and then i saw ukraine when it was

00:59:54.240 being invaded by russia and the ukrainian government was handing out ak-47s to 70 year old

00:59:59.440 men in line right because every fighting age male which is basically anybody could pull a two-pound 0.92

01:00:05.840 trigger is going to get a weapon system to fend for their country so what happens when a foreign

01:00:13.580 adversary thinks it's okay to jump into um our country and invade it not likely to happen but

01:00:22.360 it's also about tyrannical governments i mean there's a reason why the uk is getting steamrolled

01:00:27.000 and you're going to prison for a like or a share of a tweet it's not even creating the not even

01:00:33.820 it's now yeah yeah it's like if you like the tweet they're going to arrest you and put you

01:00:37.920 in jail i think last year the statistic was 12 000 people in the uk were arrested if that was

01:00:43.000 happening here we would be using the arms that were constitutionally allowed to hold to fight

01:00:49.820 a tyrannical government and it's like let's not pretend like that's just for sports and for

01:00:55.940 hunting i have firearms because i am not worried about a government coming in and tyrannically

01:01:04.700 overthrowing the citizenry and our rights because my entire neighborhood my entire state and most

01:01:11.020 of the country that i respect is going to fight for those rights well that's why i always hated 0.99

01:01:16.600 when people said oh i lost all my guns in a boating accident i'm like i didn't lose shit

01:01:20.960 in a boating accident i've got it all right here i'm allowed to have it it's all legal 0.89

01:01:25.400 it's protected by the constitution and i didn't lose a damn thing yeah that's a good point that's

01:01:31.760 a good point it's like come and take it and it's and look it's it's a balance of powers that's

01:01:37.620 unspoken right the government knows what's up you got one hrt team some regional swat teams you got

01:01:43.740 a couple tactical teams you think those guys are going to overthrow our rights it's not going to

01:01:50.060 happen uh you take a segment of the population of special operations guys who they don't know

01:01:58.820 the real capability that we have it is not radical on the streets shooting it up it's things that you

01:02:05.740 don't see right it's under nods shooting moving and communicating and it's like that's enough

01:02:12.620 to maintain this power of balance or this balance of power that that keeps things the way they should

01:02:18.920 be where you don't have some radical prime minister stating that he's just going to take

01:02:23.900 everybody's guns like that just happened in canada where they're like we're going to disarm

01:02:28.320 you like what and the people are good with that yeah they're good with it because you know one

01:02:33.200 out of seven families has a shotgun you know in my neighborhood uh uh seven out of seven homes

01:02:41.200 have ar-15s and shotguns and a ammo supply in their basement to bear

01:02:47.980 yeah i mean you you even look at what's happening in california is i think just over the past week

01:02:54.140 or so where they've i believe if i understand correctly they've just passed legislation in

01:02:59.040 california that says no more no more glocks not because of what glock is or is not doing but

01:03:05.620 because you can buy an aftermarket product that turns a semi-automatic pistol into a fully

01:03:11.180 automatic pistol. So it has nothing to do with Glock. It has to do with some third-party system

01:03:16.600 or third-party product. And the government thinks, California thinks, this is going to go to the

01:03:22.780 Supreme Court for sure, but California believes that they can say, hey, we're going to usurp your

01:03:27.880 Second Amendment rights for these really just obscure reasons. It's not going to hold up. And

01:03:33.300 if it does i i i don't know what to say i mean it's gonna be wild yeah i just posted about this

01:03:39.300 on phil cross survival's instagram this morning where gavin newsome replied to a new york post

01:03:46.280 or new york um story about the the trump administration and said in the first sentence

01:03:53.240 gun laws save lives and that's the furthest thing from the truth because the people who are

01:03:59.200 committing the crimes are breaking laws they don't follow laws they don't follow laws in the

01:04:04.680 first place so they don't save lives um i think last year it was 15 000 americans were involved

01:04:11.160 in some type of shooting via homicide that involved the homicide um and when you just look

01:04:17.680 at those statistics you know this shooting in montreal the the last officer killed in an

01:04:24.640 officer-involved shooting was 24 years ago. We have officers in some major cities that are killed

01:04:30.500 one a month, in some cases multiple per month, where there is a murder in those cities in

01:04:39.180 Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, every single weekend. And so this idea that giving up our guns

01:04:47.560 or following a law and restricting your rights is going to lead to safety is a falsehood. It's

01:04:54.620 just part of this this psycho narrative that these radicals i don't even call them democrats

01:05:00.340 because there's something else like newsom like mayor bass that are so far off that that makes

01:05:06.860 you wonder about one it makes you wonder about them but it also makes you wonder like how the

01:05:11.800 hell do people keep voting them in and i don't think they are i think it's partially corruption

01:05:18.720 and and it's insane it's insane i don't i don't necessarily i mean i agree with the corruption

01:05:25.740 and the insanity but i don't necessarily think they're not getting voted in i believe they're

01:05:29.740 actually getting voted in and it goes back to what you were saying earlier these people are

01:05:34.120 just more vocal i mean look at what happened in new york with mom donnie and his whole crew

01:05:38.340 his coalition there if i understand correctly it was 15 of registered voters voted for those

01:05:45.040 individuals 15 percent one five and the reason they're getting the votes the reason they're

01:05:52.220 putting getting put in positions of power is because they're just vocal whereas conservatives

01:05:57.100 have often said and you hear this all the time i do we just want to be left alone i just want to

01:06:03.080 raise my family i just want to go to work i want to you got to stop doing that look i i do too

01:06:09.360 but the time has come and gone where we just get to sit back and assume that people are going to

01:06:14.180 leave us the hell alone they're not and so we need to be just as vocal just as present just as

01:06:19.700 available just as involved as any sort of extremist like you're talking about yeah even more so and i

01:06:26.920 also think that you know that number that low voter turnout nearly a hundred percent of them

01:06:32.640 are benefiting from the benefits that they're distributing amongst them the cell phones the

01:06:40.380 the free handouts all the things and the difference for them is that if somebody else

01:06:47.560 comes in they're going to lose their livelihood because they're umbilical corded to the institution

01:06:53.580 i mean they can't survive without it because they're on welfare they're they're getting the

01:06:58.400 stipends they're getting all the things so the people who come out and vote are the people who

01:07:01.660 are like damn this is if somebody else gets in we're going to lose all these opportunities for

01:07:06.200 ourselves and they're just milking the system and it's like it's like the overwhelming majority of 0.97

01:07:12.960 those people who voted are are are living because of the system and and that's it that's that's how

01:07:20.180 it always works in heavy populated densely populated metropolitan cities it always works

01:07:26.660 that way the reason it's so densely populated is because that's where all the benefits are

01:07:31.680 all the handouts are and everybody else like you said is just checked out because they're like i'm

01:07:37.200 just going to live my life i don't need to be involved in politics yeah no i think you're right

01:07:41.980 and that's why i continue to lean more towards this this idea that if you're not paying into

01:07:48.120 the system you don't get to determine the system now you can participate sure you can participate

01:07:54.420 in the american dream you can participate in what we're doing here but unless you're actually

01:07:59.140 bought into the system through taxpayer dollars and other contributions, you don't get to decide

01:08:05.040 and vote your own benefits. That's not how this is going to work anymore. So I think that's

01:08:09.700 first order of business. Unless you're paying taxes, unless you're participating in a meaningful

01:08:14.820 way, you don't get to vote. You can participate based on what voters determine, but you don't

01:08:20.900 get a vote if you're not paying to play, if you will. Yeah, I totally agree.

01:08:25.860 yeah well what's next on the docket for you man i know um with fieldcraft there's there's

01:08:31.760 there's some turmoil i think it's at some point you're you're ousted in a way uh you've been

01:08:38.560 asked to come back and and so you're gonna try to rebuild this not from the ground up i think that

01:08:45.560 almost in a way might be easier but you're trying to fix things and tweak things and adjust things

01:08:50.960 that maybe were mismanaged over the past several years yeah it's a it's a difficult undertaking i'm

01:08:57.100 i'm willing to do it because a lot of people are still hanging on and you know we were known for

01:09:02.960 probably being the biggest preparedness company in the country at one point we we still might be

01:09:08.740 just numbers wise because there's not a lot of people doing preparedness and survival because

01:09:13.680 it's a very difficult genre i've seen a lot of business business owners come and go um but the

01:09:20.340 the gist of it is preparedness is partially education technical training mindset um and also

01:09:32.020 like philosophical and so i i plan to do a whole bunch of that media wise which the majority is

01:09:38.380 done media wise a little bit of training and a lot of products you know a lot of tools to give people

01:09:44.600 the opportunity to be better prepared that as a business strategy is a bad business plan

01:09:51.960 because it just sucks from the onset it's like capital intensive doesn't scale very yeah heavy

01:09:58.500 lifting it doesn't scale very well but i'm down for it i know how to do it um and and it's it's

01:10:04.940 really a personal passion of mine because i love it i love the space and so i'll just continue

01:10:09.580 using Philcraft, what's now called Philcraft Outposts on those Philcraft survival channels

01:10:15.200 like YouTube and Instagram and Facebook or email. Educate people, inspire people,

01:10:23.100 and then have products at the bottom of the funnel for conversion. I'll be selling products.

01:10:29.400 We still sell products on my company page, which is longhaulsupplycompany.com.

01:10:34.840 and yeah it's rebuilding it step by step i'm proud to have gone as far as i did in that

01:10:42.540 segment because it it really turned people's eyes to this weird world of survival um but there's a

01:10:50.140 lot of work to be done yeah well you've got a partner with us man so whatever you need if you

01:10:55.920 need us to put information out there get guys tapped into what you're doing i mean our missions

01:11:01.380 align perfectly my my our motto here is to protect provide and preside and you need training you need

01:11:06.320 skill sets you need philosophy you need products to be able to do that so if you need any help from

01:11:11.440 us let us know man but uh yeah happy to share and and uh figure out some ways to get some good

01:11:16.960 information products and training into the hands of the guys who who need it and want it so appreciate

01:11:22.620 you man tell us where to uh connect with you where do you want the guys to go and learn a little bit

01:11:27.480 more about what you're up to i'm most active on my patreon especially because it involves

01:11:33.520 distilled education and it's not a pitch because you can go on my patreon with

01:11:37.700 like 13 000 members and and be there completely free but it's patreon.com for such mike glover

01:11:44.600 and then i'm all over social media i post actively now i haven't been posting for a year

01:11:49.880 but i active for me is a few times a week i just don't have the stomach to spend a lot of time

01:11:56.600 doom scrolling because I have diapers to change and a beautiful wife and a whole bunch of goats

01:12:04.240 and chickens to tend to. So you won't see me as active on there, but Patreon is pretty active.

01:12:10.100 So if you guys are interested, that's where I would go. Excellent, man. We'll sync everything

01:12:14.960 up. Mike, I appreciate you joining me today and sharing some of this. Excited to get this to the

01:12:18.900 guys and keep up the good work and let us know how we can help you. Yeah, I appreciate you, Ryan.

01:12:23.460 And it's always good talking to you, and it's good to see your face after so long.

01:12:28.140 And thanks to your audience and everything you guys are doing.

01:12:31.360 Absolutely.

01:12:33.680 Gentlemen, there you go, my conversation with Mike Lover.

01:12:35.880 It's been a while since I had him on, and, man, what a powerful guy.

01:12:40.780 He's gone through a lot, and there's a lot of judgment circling around him and who he is.

01:12:46.280 But at the end of the day, this is a guy who's resilient, he's bold, he's courageous,

01:12:49.800 and he's stepping back into the fray like most men won't. 0.98

01:12:52.940 And if you've ever got your arse handed to you in one way or the other, whether it's 0.96

01:12:58.580 self-inflicted or not, it's time to get back in the game. 0.97

01:13:01.440 And I hope this inspires you to do that.

01:13:03.200 Make sure to connect with Mike on the gram and other social media accounts.

01:13:06.600 Check out his products and his companies, Fieldcraft Survival and Long Haul Supply

01:13:13.040 Company, and get in the game.

01:13:15.300 And the last thing, speaking of getting in the game, get in the game of accountability.

01:13:19.020 Get in the game of being around other men who will lead, motivate, inspire, stand shoulder to shoulder with you, and then sit in that last row at your funeral like I talked about.

01:13:29.420 Go to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.

01:13:32.520 That's orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.

01:13:36.040 All right, guys.

01:13:36.740 We will be back tomorrow for our Ask Me Anything.

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Order of Man - June 30, 2026

MIKE GLOVER ｜ The Man You're Capable of Being is Dormant Inside of You

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