Order of Man - MIKE RITLAND ｜ How to Unf＊ck America

00:00:00.000 Look guys, anywhere you turn, you're going to see the challenges that we as American face. Now,

00:00:05.160 some of these challenges are designed to stir up infighting and get some eyeballs on certain

00:00:11.140 media outlets and others are genuine threats to our way of life. Now it's hard to know which is

00:00:16.820 which, but it's also imperative that we start having some real discussions about the real

00:00:21.740 issues. My guest today is Mike Ritland, former Navy SEAL, New York Times bestselling author

00:00:27.300 and author of his latest book on F America, a respectful, open-minded conversation today.

00:00:33.040 Mike and I don't see completely eye to eye on everything, but we do have a powerful conversation

00:00:38.960 about emotion, religion, and bias in politics, whether or not there are inequalities in America,

00:00:45.920 what hate speech is and what it isn't money in politics and the danger of lobbying also the

00:00:51.900 eroding checks and balances in American politics, and ultimately how we can begin to on F America.

00:00:58.500 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own

00:01:04.240 path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:01:10.080 deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who

00:01:17.500 you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:24.060 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm the host and the founder of the

00:01:28.480 Order of Man podcast and movement. As we get closer to the end of 2021, which is really weird

00:01:35.380 to say, I just want to thank you. Thank you for promoting what we're doing. Thank you for stepping

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00:02:32.900 Mike and I didn't agree on everything today, and I'm trying to be more balanced and fair in my

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00:04:31.620 at checkout. All right, guys, let me introduce you to Mike. He is a former Navy SEAL. He's a New York

00:04:37.360 Times bestselling author. I believe he's got three other books prior to his newly released book,

00:04:42.560 which is called Un-F America. He's also the host of the popular podcast, Mike Drop. Now this guy is

00:04:49.920 a three-peat guest on the podcast and for good reason. And despite our few disagreements, which

00:04:53.860 I talked about earlier, Mike's always willing to have an open discussion. And frankly, he pulls no

00:04:59.440 punches in the way that he views modern culture and society and just America in general. And I found

00:05:05.900 that in this world of delicateness and offending other people, and a lot of guys afraid to speak

00:05:13.760 their mind, Mike is never one of those individuals. I really enjoy our discussions and his friendship.

00:05:18.760 And whether you agree or not, I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. And guys,

00:05:23.600 I can already hear you yelling through the radio or earbuds while you listen to this one. So,

00:05:28.340 I hope you enjoy. Mike, what's up, brother? Good to talk with you again.

00:05:32.540 You too, my man. I appreciate you having me on. It's always a pleasure.

00:05:36.040 The book, you just came out with a new book. I was like, just came out, but it was like October,

00:05:39.320 wasn't it? So, it was actually November 16th. So, it's a month tomorrow, but...

00:05:44.280 All right. It's like, everybody's got a book. Everybody's got a message. Everybody's got a

00:05:48.620 podcast. Everybody's got a this. And I'm like, how in the world do I keep up with everybody who's

00:05:52.520 doing good stuff? Yeah. No, it's tough. I mean, it's an interesting dynamic for sure. And that,

00:05:58.340 you know, historically, and this is, I think, a big paradigm shift societally is that we have,

00:06:07.640 for the first time, you know, as of about 10 years ago or so, kind of everybody that wants

00:06:12.200 to have a platform has one. Now, there's still, you know, there's only so much time in a day and

00:06:17.460 the people that are worth listening to are still going to rise to the top, but it's not a state-run

00:06:23.100 media, kind of the way that it has been. Not that it's, you know, not that it was as bad as China

00:06:27.800 is now, but it was definitely, you know, much more controlled. And I think it's fascinating to

00:06:32.740 see the shift of, if you look at, say, like, even on something as simple as YouTube as a platform,

00:06:38.020 you know, the big media outlets, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and any of their shows or personalities that have

00:06:45.140 shows, if you look at, you know, the traction that they don't get compared to a lot of people that

00:06:50.880 just started their own thing and aren't beholden to anybody that have a much more powerful and

00:06:57.560 popular voice than a lot of these traditional media conglomerates. It's a pretty fascinating

00:07:02.220 shift, you know, that is worth paying attention to, no doubt. But yeah, I mean, it is interesting.

00:07:09.420 It's a bit of a double-edged sword in that it's decentralized, right? And I think that's a good

00:07:13.820 thing because that allows us to different opinions, different perspectives, maybe a topic or a

00:07:20.800 conversation or even an opinion that would have been censored to some degree. And we can talk

00:07:25.720 about censorship too. But then on the other hand, you know, you've got a bunch of bullshit also that

00:07:30.440 you have to sift through. And that noise is much more prevalent, I think, than it ever was. So it's

00:07:36.540 got its pros and cons. Yeah. Just like everything, you know, there's a, yeah, there's good, good and

00:07:42.020 bad to all of it. But, well, one thing I was going to say with even our past conversations

00:07:48.280 and the book that you have now is I really respect our conversations because you've never pulled any

00:07:55.520 punches, right? And I think so many people do, they run their message through a filter and they

00:08:00.340 make sure it's pretty and they make sure it's comfortable for everybody and nobody gets offended.

00:08:04.180 Um, and, you know, even just with the way that, that you look at, or the way that you frame this

00:08:10.000 book is like, it goes against that popular narrative, especially in the veteran community

00:08:15.540 of like America's the best and America's the greatest. And I think it has the potential to be

00:08:20.000 certainly, but we've got some, we've got a rough road ahead, I think. And you do a good job

00:08:24.400 illustrating that. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it. I mean, to me, the, one of the kind of key

00:08:29.440 benchmarks of the book, uh, and it, it falls or it stems from, uh, the chapter that I talk about

00:08:35.980 politics is, is one of the big, I think, issues that we run into is having a, a political party

00:08:43.280 system that's so, uh, kind of, um, just, I guess, hypocritical to the point where each side and both

00:08:54.520 sides are guilty of it, uh, aren't willing to hold themselves to the same standard that they're

00:09:00.060 holding the other side to. Uh, and I think that's a critical failure because, uh, it, it kind of

00:09:06.320 disenfranchises and, and really, uh, sweeps the legs out from under most average voters when they see

00:09:14.760 no adults, basically, you know, they, they see people that, that aren't taking accountability

00:09:19.160 for, for their own decisions, you know, and, and there are certainly people during the Trump

00:09:24.700 administration on the right that were guilty of it. Uh, it does seem maybe I'm a little biased.

00:09:28.920 It does seem more, more, uh, prevalent on the left where it's really, they can do no,

00:09:34.280 no fucking wrong. And there's just zero, uh, accountability for it. Uh, but, you know, to me

00:09:39.880 that nothing will, uh, you know, make, make an, an average American voter feel helpless,

00:09:45.360 like, like that, uh, you know, and, and so if you can't come to the table with enough maturity to

00:09:52.880 say, you know what, we did this and we fucked that up, you know, and legitimate and legitimately mean

00:09:57.740 it, you know, I mean, uh, you know, Jocko talks about it all the time, right. The, the extreme

00:10:02.520 ownership, but, uh, you know, there's such a lack of that, I think in, uh, in our society and especially

00:10:10.080 in politics, which they are supposed to be setting the standard that, uh, you know, it,

00:10:15.140 it really just, um, uh, contaminates the, I think the, the ideologies, uh, and, and what their,

00:10:23.080 their intended purpose was originally for it just really ruins it, you know? And so, uh, I hate to

00:10:29.580 see that. And, and it's something that I talk about a lot is that, uh, is kind of the three main

00:10:34.560 things. One of them we, we may disagree on a little bit, um, but you know, it is to, to get

00:10:40.060 rid of emotion, you know, is remove all emotion from, from the beginning of a discussion, which

00:10:44.480 sometimes is really hard to do if you're passionate about something, but it's crucial is remove

00:10:49.000 religion from it. That's the one where, you know, you and I may, may tend to differ, disagree on a

00:10:54.340 little bit, uh, but then also remove political bias and affiliation from it. The reason for all of

00:10:59.860 those things is that, you know, uh, and I'll, I'll speak to the religion thing, uh, because that's

00:11:04.400 probably the one I get the most pushback. Most people think, yeah, it makes sense to, to ditch

00:11:08.240 your political leanings and your emotion at the door for, for the sake of, of mental clarity

00:11:12.800 when, when discussing a topic. But I think, uh, from a religious standpoint where, where

00:11:17.660 it's tough is that you have to understand that there's people that don't believe that

00:11:22.220 or, or that disagree with it or whatever. And so if you go into it, even if that's what

00:11:26.880 your principles are, that's what you're, you're kind of benchmark character beliefs

00:11:30.300 entail. Um, is that, you know, if, if you're so attached to those that you're not willing

00:11:36.300 to kind of see it from the other side and not let it influence your perspective on things

00:11:41.340 and it's going to come across as such, and it's going to seem very inflexible when it

00:11:45.720 comes to.

00:11:46.280 Well, I do think though, yeah, I do think though that it, it should influence how you

00:11:51.780 behave and how you show up. Of course, like how could it not? Um, but, but I, I actually

00:11:56.680 agree to an extent with what you're saying. That's why you don't really hear me talking

00:12:01.380 about God as the ultimate authority on masculinity. I actually believe that personally, but I don't

00:12:07.840 appeal to that authority because if you and I don't agree on that or a listener doesn't

00:12:12.960 agree, then there's nothing else that we can talk about. So let's not necessarily talk

00:12:17.300 about in, in my world where masculinity derives from as much as let's talk about what it is

00:12:22.760 and how we express it and how we, um, how we, how we become more masculine and embrace

00:12:27.940 it and then serve other people. So, yeah, I, I hear where you're coming from. I think

00:12:32.200 it should influence who you are individually and allow you to make your decisions based

00:12:36.140 on that. Cause that's a, that's a framework. That's a benchmark for the values you have.

00:12:40.400 Um, but yeah, if somebody else doesn't believe that God gave us these commandments, then okay,

00:12:46.500 like how are we going to have a conversation and come to the table?

00:12:49.900 Yeah. Yeah. One of the other things that, you know, I appreciate you saying that, um,

00:12:55.520 you know, one of the other things that I, I talk about, uh, kind of at length also is

00:12:59.820 going into every debate or conversation with the prospect that you might be wrong, which

00:13:04.900 is really hard to do. Um, you know, especially when it comes to religion, you know, and, and,

00:13:09.800 uh, but, but really with anything, I mean, there's certainly people, uh, from a political

00:13:14.000 standpoint or from a cultural standpoint that believe so strongly in things that the prospect

00:13:19.300 that maybe it's not a good idea or that maybe that they're not correct, just that they refuse

00:13:24.240 to entertain that as even a possibility, however remote it might be, you know? And I think again,

00:13:29.340 if, if we're really expecting, uh, the other side, uh, you know, and that's whatever it is,

00:13:34.980 whether it's politics or culture or what have you, uh, to, uh, to either negotiate or compromise

00:13:41.880 even a little bit, like you, you have to be willing to do the same thing, you know? And so,

00:13:46.420 um, that kind of sets the tone for every chapter. And then, and then I talk about,

00:13:50.600 um, you know, kind of the overarching theme, which is, um, you know, there's a lot of white noise,

00:13:57.340 like we were talking about, you know, to, to sift through. Um, and there's a lot of, uh,

00:14:02.100 media outlets primarily on, on TV that are still popular enough to where, you know,

00:14:06.240 they're getting millions of viewers per show and, uh, and they have a very specific agenda and

00:14:11.180 narrative that, uh, that they push, um, and, and make you worry, you know, there's, there's so much

00:14:16.660 media hype out there that, uh, you know, kind of tends to dictate to a lot of people, you know,

00:14:21.660 what, what they should be worried about. And, uh, and the reality of it is, is that most of it,

00:14:26.620 if you kind of look at it from a data standpoint, does not reflect what are the most, uh, challenging

00:14:31.940 and, uh, detrimental things that are taking place in our society. And so I did a shitload of

00:14:38.540 research on, on, from a statistic standpoint, you know, what are kind of the 10, 10 most prevalent,

00:14:45.140 uh, problems that we have in this country data wise, you know, and, uh, and they're not what's

00:14:50.160 usually talked about in the media or, uh, nearly to the same extent, you know? Um, and so to me,

00:14:55.900 that's a, that's a big part of the problem is, is being kind of misdirected and misguided and,

00:15:01.080 and distracted from, uh, from what the real issues are. So, uh, you've got a bit of a,

00:15:06.240 uh, the wrong target going on here. I actually do want to get into some of these that you address

00:15:10.580 in the book. Cause there's one in particular that really stood out to me. Uh, but with regards to

00:15:14.840 the political thing, one thing I was going to mention is I just saw this report and I don't

00:15:19.120 know if it was from the CBO or what, where it was from, but, um, the amount of money that we're

00:15:23.080 spending relative to the amount of tax revenue, the government is collecting. And I'm not even

00:15:27.600 talking about the, the ethical side of taxes. Let's just table that conversation for a second

00:15:34.060 and just say, okay, we're collecting. We're basically we're spending two times what the

00:15:38.380 government is collecting in revenue. To me, I'm like, if you can't figure that part of the thing

00:15:43.480 out, there's nothing else that we need to be talking about right now. And that shouldn't be

00:15:48.720 a partisan issue. Like if you're spending twice as much as you're taking in, you've proven to me that

00:15:53.880 you're incapable of acting like an adult of having any level of responsibility and nothing else that

00:15:59.220 comes out of your mouth really holds any weight or credibility with me. Cause you can't get that

00:16:02.860 right. Agreed. Yeah. And I think, uh, you know, one of the other things I talk about, um, is, is the,

00:16:09.800 the kind of popularity contest and the, uh, you know, the, the personality, um, blowing up of,

00:16:17.340 uh, politicians in our country. A lot of politicians aren't viewed as servants anymore. They're

00:16:23.780 viewed as fucking rock stars, right? Um, you know, and yeah, their Twitter and Instagram accounts are,

00:16:29.540 you know, in the, in the millions or tens of millions of followers. And, and, you know,

00:16:33.500 they're, they're acting more like influencers than they are policy makers. Um, you know, and I,

00:16:39.340 I find that to be, uh, not just disheartening, but, but very immature and fucking petty on top of it

00:16:46.100 is that, you know, of everybody in the country, like you, you guys are supposed to be the quote

00:16:50.200 unquote adults in the room. And I've never seen a group of people act more like fucking children in

00:16:55.260 my life than, than watching some of these Senate hearings when it turns into just political

00:17:00.640 grandstanding of not even asking questions, but just saying, you know, rattling off talking points,

00:17:07.240 hoping that, that, uh, some short clip that they, that they say with a, with a zinger fucking line or

00:17:12.760 bullet point gets picked up and goes viral and makes them, uh, you know, more popular on social media.

00:17:17.840 And I, and I think, you know, that mentality is incredibly toxic and poisonous for our government.

00:17:22.840 When, when the officials think I tell you how the cow eats the cabbage and not you guys hired me to

00:17:28.200 fucking represent you, which is absolutely what, what's taking place and has been for a while,

00:17:32.380 then, uh, then that is a broken system and it needs to be fixed. And then I do talk a little bit

00:17:37.020 about, uh, you know, my, my theory on, uh, on kind of getting rid of money in politics as best you can.

00:17:44.040 Uh, those things are always going to be intertwined to a certain extent. Um, but I think that the way

00:17:49.740 the system is now it's, it's pretty, pretty apparent when, uh, people like Nancy Pelosi on, uh, on the

00:17:56.740 left and, uh, say Mitch McConnell on the right, you know, when, when you look at what those people are

00:18:00.880 worth, uh, based on what they've made, uh, that that's an impossible formula. I don't give a fuck how lucky

00:18:07.700 you are, uh, with stocks, bonds, crypto, whatever, whatever the fuck it is, is that if you spent 40

00:18:13.200 years making less than 200 K a month or a month, a year, and, uh, and you're worth a month might get

00:18:18.440 you there and you're worth 40, 50, $60 million. There's some other shit going on that, uh, that's

00:18:23.980 nefarious at best. And, uh, it's interesting because every time I bring that, that issue up,

00:18:29.760 because, because on one hand you say that, right. And then on the other hand, you know, I talk a lot

00:18:33.760 about free market capitalism, which I know you hit on the, uh, economy subjects in the book and,

00:18:40.160 and we're not completely in a free market. Let's just get that on the table right now.

00:18:44.320 Um, but still I advocate for building wealth. Like everybody should, should attempt to build as much

00:18:50.060 wealth as they possibly can for themselves and their family, even generationally, as long as it's

00:18:54.560 legal, moral, and ethical. Um, so people will say, well, you know, on one hand, you're talking about

00:18:59.340 building wealth on the other, you're condemning these people. I'm not condemning them for having wealth.

00:19:03.180 I'm condemning them for the way they would in which they acquired it. That's the issue to me.

00:19:08.320 No, agreed. And, and I don't, uh, I don't condemn it either, but on the same token, just on the same

00:19:13.320 token is that, you know, our law enforcement officers are held to a higher standard when it

00:19:18.700 comes to carrying a gun than your average citizen is, uh, with, with body cams and with how they

00:19:23.520 interact with people, our elected leadership. And then that's the key word is our, our fucking elect,

00:19:28.740 they're elected, right. It is that they're, they're put in the position by us, not the other

00:19:33.440 way around. And, and when they're there, I think that there should be a higher level of scrutiny on

00:19:38.420 how they make their money specifically. And especially when they are privy to things that

00:19:43.180 nobody else is privy to, you know? And, and so that, that's the, the huge, uh, you know,

00:19:49.420 red flag is, as far as that argument goes is that, you know, these people are sitting in on,

00:19:53.920 on top secret and classified briefings that go into, you know, that makes insider trading on

00:20:00.420 wall street look like fucking monopoly. Uh, a couple of years ago, there was a gal, uh, she was

00:20:06.000 a, I believe she was a Republican representative in, in maybe Georgia. I might be wrong on that.

00:20:11.480 Uh, this was just a couple of years ago and it talked about how she was ditching all her stocks

00:20:15.560 right before they crashed and then buying them back up after they rebound. It's like, come, I mean,

00:20:20.100 you said it, that's insider trading. That is the definition of insider trading. And yet there's

00:20:25.540 no accountability for these people. Yeah. And, and the problem is, uh, you know, with that is that

00:20:31.640 trying to, to have some level of accountability, I mean, it's akin to, uh, asking a Fox to audit

00:20:38.220 himself in the hen house. Like that, that's never going to happen. Right. You know, they're, they're,

00:20:42.460 they're going to have, you know, some AG launch, some internal investigation and, and coincidentally,

00:20:47.780 they find themselves not guilty. Like that's a big fucking surprise, you know, and it happens

00:20:51.820 time and time again and it's bullshit. Uh, how do you build in that accountability though? Because

00:20:56.480 you're right. Like, okay. So you're going to ask one party to hold the other accountable. They're

00:21:00.280 worried about their talking points and getting their zingers in so they can be famous on Instagram.

00:21:05.500 Yeah. Like, how do you hold it accountable? Well, so here's my take and it would be a radical

00:21:11.640 shift. Um, and it's based off of a personal experience of being in a, in a small rural,

00:21:17.780 County in Texas, uh, and, and being selected to be on a grand jury, not once, but twice. And it's a

00:21:23.840 six month, uh, commitment. Uh, and just like with jury duty is you don't get a choice, right? It's

00:21:29.120 you know, you know, your civic duty is you're selected and you have to do it. And so I think,

00:21:33.980 I think where, where the root of all of this stems from is, is the money in politics that starts every

00:21:39.220 one of these people that the amount of money that you have to raise to get elected at this point is,

00:21:43.720 is why everything is the way that it is, is that, you know, you're now so in bed and beholden to all

00:21:50.140 these other people that have spent millions or tens of millions, or in some cases, hundreds of

00:21:54.560 millions of dollars getting you to this position. Now you fucking owe them, you know, and, and just

00:22:00.360 like say the mafia and loan sharking is that, uh, you know, there isn't a, Hey, thanks, but we're done

00:22:05.800 here. Uh, you know, option, uh, you know, for those people once they get an office. And so,

00:22:12.200 you know, campaign finance is a problem and lobbying. I mean, in any other country,

00:22:16.320 lobbying is, is called fucking bribery, right? Uh, but, but in the United States, it's, it's

00:22:21.440 coincidentally or conveniently called a lobbying and it's bullshit. So, so to me, when, when those two,

00:22:27.420 uh, fundamental, uh, components of our political system exist, you're never going to change it.

00:22:34.420 And so you have to get rid of those. And so people say, well, how the fuck do you get rid of those?

00:22:37.440 Well, to me, this going back to the grand jury thing is that to me, they're almost, and I say

00:22:42.860 almost, cause I do know some people that have ran for office that are, that are good people and have

00:22:46.400 gotten elected. And I still think are, uh, but, but they're, they're in such a, a muddied system to

00:22:52.800 where, you know, even if you're a good dude, there, there's not much you're going to get done because

00:22:56.520 of how entrenched everybody is in it. And so you're in the game. Sure. Yeah. And, but I also think that

00:23:01.920 for, for most people just by wanting to run to office should automatically fucking disqualify

00:23:06.820 you. Uh, because I think there, there's a level of narcissism or sociopathic behavior that has to

00:23:12.200 exist for you to want to go through that. Uh, but don't you think there's people, well, I look,

00:23:16.800 I agree. I agree. I can see that side of it, but don't you think there's people who genuinely feel

00:23:20.960 like they can make a difference? I mean, I don't doubt what you're saying, but I think there's the

00:23:24.900 other side of it too. No, and that's why I say, you know, I do know some, and I would say that,

00:23:29.540 yes, there are some people that get railroaded as soon as they get in there and can't get shit

00:23:34.100 done. But I think a lot of people are there because they, they want to be that, uh, they

00:23:38.400 want to be in that position. So to me, the way you get rid of both of those things right out of

00:23:43.380 the gate is that you, you don't allow people to run for office and, and you can keep everything

00:23:48.980 the same way in terms of the districting and regions and the way, uh, you know, all, all of our

00:23:54.600 different, uh, representatives, uh, from a region standpoint is that, you know, this

00:23:59.100 congressman is, is over this section in this population where you keep all that shit the

00:24:03.420 same, but just like the grand jury system that I'm about to outline, um, that happened in

00:24:09.500 rural Texas, uh, this is how you elect people is that, is that you've got this basic checklist

00:24:15.180 of you're, you're essentially a net positive human being in your County, your state, your

00:24:21.560 region, what have you. And that's, you know, you've, you've paid your taxes. You're not a

00:24:25.960 felon. You've lived there for a certain number of years. Uh, you know, just a basic, you're

00:24:30.840 not a shit bag and you're a productive member of that society. And you have been for a long

00:24:36.100 enough time for you to have a vested interest in where you live. Right. So it's basically

00:24:41.340 a, so let me, let me just poke, poke holes at this just, just a little bit. And I know

00:24:46.360 you're going to go through this, but, um, one concern is I know plenty of people who I would

00:24:51.640 consider, you know, would, would check those boxes, let's say, but they're complete effing

00:24:56.940 morons and I wouldn't want them anywhere near running any sort of political office or part of

00:25:03.840 my life at a government level. Yeah. So, so they're not here. Here's where this, this process

00:25:08.680 goes in is that, is that, is that let's say, and in this instance, the County is as small as

00:25:13.860 like 3,200 people in the County. So once they, they narrow this list that, you know, here,

00:25:18.180 here are the basic good productive members of society. Let's say there's a thousand of them.

00:25:23.280 So now those thousand people have to submit 30 names or it's 10 or it's five, I mean,

00:25:28.400 whatever it is, you know, I'm not a statistician. I'll, I'll leave that to people that are better on

00:25:33.140 numbers, but, um, but they, you, you basically say, here are the 10 people that I think should

00:25:39.200 be the Congressman for this area. Right. And so now you tally all of those up and whatever the,

00:25:44.860 the five or three or 10 or whatever that, that magic number is, uh, people that got nominated

00:25:50.680 the most times by the people that live in there that respect them enough to think, I think that

00:25:55.960 guy should be running the, I think this guy should be the fucking the mayor or the Congressman or the

00:26:01.540 Senator or whatever is that there is that you're basically, uh, elected by people who, who, again,

00:26:07.480 who pay taxes that aren't freeloading, that aren't shitbags that aren't felons. And, and that

00:26:12.380 collective mean average of whoever the top five people are that got voted the most times they

00:26:18.840 now run for office or they're put into, you know, that position for office. And then, and then that's,

00:26:24.540 that's how it's decided. And it's on the, on the smallest micro scale or on the largest macro scale,

00:26:30.100 there's no political contributions because there, there is no, um, there's no incentive there. Sure.

00:26:37.580 Well, there's no incentive in there and there's no ads. Like there's, there's no voting to it as far

00:26:42.120 as, uh, you know, that stuff goes. And so, uh, there's that. And then also now once you're in

00:26:46.920 office, you don't owe anybody, anything, you know, and, and you can almost, I mean, if you imagine it

00:26:53.800 from the standpoint is that most of the people that, that are probably going to be, uh, voted for the

00:26:59.080 most times are people that are probably going to be a little reluctant to do something like that.

00:27:02.860 Who are the best people for that job who feel like, okay, this County that I live in for whatever

00:27:09.180 reason, you know, more people in this County think I'm the guy that should be running the show around

00:27:14.440 here more than everybody else. I guess I'm the fucking guy. And it's my civic duty to now be in

00:27:19.240 that position. And those individuals are obligated is what you're saying. Yeah. You don't get a choice.

00:27:24.980 You know, uh, I mean, it's, it's one person out of, you know, however many, um, but every two years

00:27:31.000 or four years or whatever it is, you go through that same process. So you don't get to run for it,

00:27:36.120 you know? And, and if you're doing that shitty of a job and enough people think you're doing a

00:27:40.200 shitty job, you get voted out. And now every one vote counts as one actual fucking vote. It's not,

00:27:46.600 well, California is going to have this many electoral votes. So, you know, my shit doesn't

00:27:50.120 matter. There's none of that thinking because everything is on a, on a level where one vote equals

00:27:56.120 one votes or a vote equals one. So you're bringing up an interesting point with the electoral college,

00:28:02.260 but I actually think the electoral college actually does the opposite of what you're saying. So what

00:28:08.360 you said is that, uh, you know, my stuff doesn't matter because that will party got their, their,

00:28:14.420 their votes, but that's what keeps small towns and less densely populated areas in the, in, in the

00:28:22.660 running. I'm not advocating to get rid of the electoral college. My point is, is that everybody

00:28:28.040 has, has a fair, a fair say in who, uh, who gets elected versus not right on, again, on, on the

00:28:35.540 smallest scale or the largest scale is that every, every vote in terms of your voice for who you think

00:28:40.560 should be running the show isn't based on, well, here's my two candidates. I've got to pick one of

00:28:45.240 the fucking two of them. And so I guess I'll go with this guy is that you get to decide.

00:28:49.000 But, but the, so I could see that working at a local and a state level, something like that.

00:28:55.220 But when you get up to the federal level, if everybody has one, one vote, one, you know,

00:29:01.240 one person, one vote, the problem is, is that New York and California, yeah, one person, one vote.

00:29:08.700 But when you get these heavily dense, these heavily, uh, densely populated areas, they generally tend

00:29:14.920 to vote in one way. So that yes, one vote per person, but it still drowns out the other

00:29:21.560 person who might be in rural Texas, for example. Yeah. But I mean, to me, like we're already doing

00:29:27.320 that. The, the, the, I think the benefit to doing something like this is largely on, on your point

00:29:32.240 is that at, at the representation level of the other two branches of government is that you don't

00:29:37.760 have the political hurdles that you have now, because the president can't do things unilaterally,

00:29:44.560 but, but if the entire Senate and the entire house of representatives is geared in the, in the same

00:29:50.700 fucked up way that, that he was elected is that that's why you have the gridlock that you have.

00:29:55.040 So if two thirds of the government branch wise are, are elected from people who are, are legitimately

00:30:00.960 there representing the people because they're, they got the most votes. I think that, you know,

00:30:05.940 from a starting standpoint of, again, trying to fix the, the problems that we've, uh, that we've

00:30:12.020 created over the last, you know, I'd say 50, 60 years of, of such a highly charged political climate

00:30:17.740 is that's a good starting point. Uh, you know, maybe, maybe try, try it with just the house of

00:30:24.480 representatives, right. Just, just Congress to start and, and see how that goes with everybody that's

00:30:29.860 there that that's duly elected, they're elected in this system and see, see how that shakes out.

00:30:35.940 Uh, and, and if that works, you know, is it a, is it a perfect solution? No, nothing is. Uh, but I

00:30:42.600 think it's a really good starting point. And then from there you learn what lessons you're going to

00:30:46.780 learn. And then you try that with the Senate, you know, and then from there, if you can implement it

00:30:51.280 on a national, you know, federal election scale, fantastic. If you can't, well, it's still better

00:30:56.120 if you've got two thirds of the government that, that, you know, from the two thirds that are supposed

00:31:00.380 to be representing the people that that's the, uh, you know, that that's the, the, the one branch

00:31:05.700 rather that, uh, you know, that should be there, uh, as it relates to the judicial thing, you know,

00:31:10.800 that's still going to be the president doing that. But, but I think if, if the house of representatives

00:31:15.960 and the Senate are both, uh, you know, uh, elected in a manner where, where those, those representatives

00:31:23.100 that are there are actually representing the people, uh, because, because that's who decided,

00:31:28.380 uh, you know, on, on everybody that should be there. I think that that's at least from,

00:31:33.320 from my perspective, uh, in terms of how do you, how do you knock it down to ground zero and,

00:31:38.400 and unfuck the mess that's there that, that in my opinion is the best way to at least start that

00:31:43.360 process. Well, and I, I also think there's a huge problem with the enforcement of the checks and

00:31:49.660 balances that we already have in place. Like you see each president who comes in, who has so many

00:31:54.500 executive orders that over override and overrule what, what the elect or the people's house have

00:32:02.980 voted on. And that's a problem. And then you see, uh, you know, Supreme court justices who are not

00:32:09.340 elected. They're appointed by the president who is stepping on, not only our current president,

00:32:16.520 but just about every president there who's stepping all over these checks and balances.

00:32:20.760 And then those people are there for life. And now they're not interpreting the constitution.

00:32:25.820 Now they're making personal biased decisions and interpreting law, not on what's the constitution

00:32:33.580 says, but on what they believe. And that's bullshit to me. And I don't care what side of the

00:32:37.540 value you're sitting on. Agreed. I think, uh, and so here, here's where the system that I'm talking

00:32:44.240 about, I think would have a trickle down effect on that, that second branch of government to give it

00:32:48.600 the two thirds is that, you know, the, the, uh, I think the key is, is that, you know, uh, on the

00:32:55.000 judicial branch, Supreme court nominees are exactly that they're nominated by the president, but they have

00:32:59.960 to be signed off on by the Senate, you know? So if, if the Senate actually has their shit together,

00:33:07.960 you know, and, and are representatives of people from a system where there's no money or no bullshit

00:33:14.040 into it, there there's, I think there would be far less party lines. And so if a president knows like,

00:33:19.820 Hey, if I throw up some bullshit, partisan fucking nominee in the Senate, it's going to say,

00:33:23.860 fuck you try again, 37 times before I put somebody in there, that's actually a constitutionalist.

00:33:29.360 That's going to do it. I think at least the way that the current system is set up, you know,

00:33:34.060 shy of completely overthrowing the government and starting from scratch is, is that that's the most

00:33:39.260 effective way is, is that you start with that body with, with the legislative branch of government,

00:33:44.300 because everything has to go through them. So if, if you start with them as the bedrock group of

00:33:49.840 the 456 or however fucking many there are, um, as, as being solid representatives that are elected

00:33:56.600 in a manner where there's no money, no politics, no super PACs, no lobbying, uh, and, and, and that

00:34:02.800 group of people who Supreme court nominees have to go through, uh, you know, and, and, and every other

00:34:08.100 big decision, whether it's spending bills, et cetera. Uh, I think that that's the, that's the best place

00:34:12.780 that you can start without a complete fucking hard reset, uh, and still, still manage to salvage,

00:34:18.060 uh, our government in a manner with which, uh, you know, is step-by-step process wise without

00:34:23.360 being a complete detriment to the country. Well, I mean, and you're talking about this hard

00:34:27.920 reset. Hopefully it doesn't come to that point, but frankly, I feel like we're, we're getting to

00:34:31.980 that point, whether that's implode or we have some sort of external threat that, that, that causes

00:34:39.060 something like that, that to happen. I hope it doesn't. My concern is just, we won't get to this

00:34:43.260 point until something horrible and catastrophic happens. Yeah. Unfortunately it takes a, a nine

00:34:51.020 11 type event to, to unify the country, you know, and I hate that that's the case, but you know,

00:34:57.700 sometimes, uh, democracy is messy that way. And yeah. And unfortunately, uh, you know, people forget

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00:36:41.060 Mike. You have a, uh, you have an entire chapter dedicated to inequalities in the country. And I'm

00:36:49.200 really interested in your take on that because that's so polarizing, you know, like what are,

00:36:53.860 are there inequalities? Are there, uh, sex or, uh, gender or excuse me, um, pay differences in

00:36:59.940 between the sexes, you know, like these are the things that I think is on a lot of people's minds.

00:37:03.920 Yeah. So again, I, you know, to me, the, the, the reason they're polarizing is because people

00:37:08.320 aren't looking at data. They're using emotion and, uh, and clickbait and thumbnails and snippets of

00:37:15.280 video and, and, uh, outrageous statements and things like that to piss people off and get them angry.

00:37:21.200 In fairness, I, I do that as well as, as a marketer. So I'm, I'm, I'm not putting myself

00:37:26.400 above doing any of that. We need to be, or same as you though, with the title of your book,

00:37:31.480 let's not pretend that you're not putting that out there to get people's attention.

00:37:35.600 Well, I mean, I am, but you know, that's one of those things where it's kind of to a detriment

00:37:39.400 of the book is that, you know, there's a lot of hurdles that, you know, people won't carry it or

00:37:43.260 people, you know, won't, won't even have me on because of the title of, you know, so yeah,

00:37:46.820 good point. Good point. It's a double-edged sword where one side is quite a bit sharper than the other.

00:37:51.200 But, uh, uh, you know, but, but the, um, you know, I think the, the, the key is again,

00:37:57.140 is looking at the numbers, you know, whether it's, and we'll use the two that you brought up

00:38:00.680 because those are frankly, the two most divisive and prominent ones, but, um, you know, police,

00:38:05.660 uh, policing and, and the shooting of unarmed, uh, you know, black members of society, the reality

00:38:12.000 of it is, um, is that the numbers don't back up the narrative in the media, you know, they just

00:38:17.640 don't, and, and not even like almost it's woefully inaccurate, uh, you know, how, uh, blasphemous

00:38:24.700 the media has become as it relates to, um, you know, police on black, uh, crime or shooting or,

00:38:31.740 you know, whatever you want to call it in inequality in terms of how people are treated.

00:38:35.300 Uh, you know, there were nine instances, uh, in 2020, which is obviously the last year of,

00:38:42.260 of recorded data on that.

00:38:43.860 And these are FBI statistics, right?

00:38:45.700 This isn't, uh, you know, some partisan right, all right-wing fucking, uh, group with ties

00:38:50.920 to the Klan that, you know, that's spewing out some bullshit numbers.

00:38:53.840 Um, and, and that was the, that was the reality of it is there were nine instances where, uh, uh,

00:39:01.400 black people who were, who were at the time unarmed that were shot and killed, uh, and five of those

00:39:07.840 nine, uh, there were other, other factors involved, uh, in a couple instances, they had a gun and just

00:39:14.900 dropped it, uh, you know, or, or had a gun and were, you know, moving around and it wasn't technically

00:39:19.840 in their hands at the time. There was a couple instances of, of, uh, where they were physically

00:39:24.140 being attacked, uh, and, and, you know, basically had to prove that, that it was through self-defense

00:39:28.980 that they were still, uh, fearing for their life, et cetera. So it came down to, to a couple of

00:39:33.960 instances where somebody was legitimately unarmed and not attacking a police officer or hadn't just,

00:39:39.780 uh, that they were shot and killed, you know, but, but if you watch.

00:39:42.960 I think that's the trick that media uses is what, what is a weapon? What does unarmed mean?

00:39:48.100 You know, if somebody's, for example, this guy, uh, who, who ran this car, uh, through

00:39:53.440 that parade, you know, was he unarmed? I think probably people would attempt to, to make that

00:39:59.940 claim, but if you're using a vehicle to mow innocent people down, you're armed that that's

00:40:07.000 a weapon that you're using to do destruction and damage to people.

00:40:10.160 Yeah. I mean, there, there's been a number of cases that, uh, um, you know, unequivocally

00:40:16.500 and in every instance, when it comes to use of force and police, you know, there, there's

00:40:21.140 statute after statute after statute, uh, that, that allows police officers, the ability to

00:40:26.640 use lethal force to stop somebody that's trying to, to hurt people with a vehicle.

00:40:30.440 Right. I mean, that's, that's, uh, that's not even up for debate, you know?

00:40:34.340 So, um, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, it shouldn't be, but in terms of the law and

00:40:39.460 that's part of the problem too, is, is that data and statutes are, are factual, you know?

00:40:44.680 Um, and when you start to, to overblow stories by, uh, you know, having, having pundits on

00:40:52.080 or, or people that, that say things like, uh, you know, there, there is a, a, uh, a genocidal

00:40:58.920 like, uh, movement in this country for police to wipe black people off the planet.

00:41:04.000 Like that's just patently false.

00:41:07.120 I mean, it's, it's horrendously untrue and it's poisonous and it's really dangerous when

00:41:13.480 people, you know, who, who aren't paying attention to all of the other things who aren't looking

00:41:17.760 at data, who aren't doing anything, but picking their, their lunchbox up and going to work

00:41:22.080 every day and they come home and they see six minutes of news a night.

00:41:25.300 And that's one of the things they hear day in, day out.

00:41:28.200 And in conjunction with COVID is the, is the worst pandemic since the fucking black plague

00:41:33.380 and everything else is that, is that they're spoon fed this over and over in kind of a

00:41:37.760 background capacity and they just start to believe it.

00:41:41.440 Uh, and that was the, again, the biggest premise behind this book was that, you know, that, that

00:41:46.480 in conjunction with a lot of other things that we are continually being, uh, you know, smothered

00:41:52.220 with, uh, you know, as, as far as what, what we should be worried about and what the biggest

00:41:57.020 problems facing this country are.

00:41:58.580 And they just frankly aren't true.

00:42:00.120 Uh, the other thing that you mentioned was, uh, you know, the pay wage gap is that, uh,

00:42:05.220 you know, that there's, you know, relatively popular adage that says, you know, women are

00:42:10.020 historically paid less than men.

00:42:11.500 And that, and again, all, all the numbers are, are in my book.

00:42:14.880 There's too many of them for me to, to verbatim, uh, you know, um, fucking dump in your lap

00:42:21.380 on the show.

00:42:22.260 But, uh, but, but the reality of it is, is that they're not, you know, and, and one simple

00:42:26.720 thing with that is, is that, you know, business owners are pretty shrewd, generally speaking,

00:42:31.140 whether it's a big business medium, you know, their, their bottom line, you know, that I'll

00:42:35.080 put it this way.

00:42:36.140 They're more shrewd than they are sexist.

00:42:37.920 That's, that's what I've, I've come to the conclusion.

00:42:40.100 Well, well, well, for sure.

00:42:41.220 And, and, uh, you know, illegal immigration in terms of the, the EU verify and the issues

00:42:46.740 that the government tries to, to implement, to, to not have people hiring millions of illegal

00:42:52.040 immigrants because they're cheaper or all of these companies sending shit to China because

00:42:57.780 it's cheaper.

00:42:58.460 Right.

00:42:58.920 So if, if women legitimately were paid 70 cents, I can tell you right now, the entire fucking

00:43:03.600 workforce of America would be all women and they're not obviously, uh, you know, so, I

00:43:09.160 mean, to me, like, you don't even have to look at the data.

00:43:11.860 I think you should, uh, because it, it absolutely proves it, but just on common sense of looking

00:43:16.980 at the other dynamics of our society, if that were the case, then again, yeah.

00:43:21.960 There'd be women, nothing but women in every workforce.

00:43:24.460 So, uh, you know, again, it's just, it's a disingenuous talking point that, uh, that

00:43:29.260 pisses people off and gets people mad, um, you know, and makes them want to stand behind

00:43:34.380 something.

00:43:34.760 And I think, you know, as a society, we've gotten, we've been so good for so long that

00:43:39.400 we're a victim of our own success, you know, and, and, and we've, we've created things

00:43:44.800 to be pissed about and causes to stand behind because, uh, there aren't, or there are so

00:43:50.940 few legitimate causes that, that are still legitimate concerns in this country that now

00:43:55.740 that, you know, the human mind has to struggle and has to have purpose and has to have things

00:43:59.720 that they stand behind and are passionate about.

00:44:01.900 And if you don't have those, then you're going to get them from Tik TOK and, and fucking

00:44:06.000 Twitter.

00:44:06.340 And, and, and you're going to, you know, be spoon fed bullshit that, uh, that you have

00:44:10.900 this, this feigned outrage about, uh, you know, that that's a manufactured pile of crap,

00:44:16.120 but, well, I, I can, I can tell you for a little anecdotal, just from my own personal

00:44:20.500 experience yesterday was a, was a shitty day.

00:44:23.360 I mean, it really was, I don't need to get into all the specifics, but it was just a shitty

00:44:26.420 day.

00:44:27.220 I'd love to hear about it.

00:44:28.540 Yeah.

00:44:28.820 Well, I'm, I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure you would just love to hear how bad my life is.

00:44:33.560 So I'm thinking about it.

00:44:34.660 You know, I'm sitting in bed before I go to bed.

00:44:36.340 I'm like, man, I just got to chalk that one up and just get after it tomorrow.

00:44:39.940 And I started thinking about it.

00:44:41.280 I'm like, okay, you know, here's what went wrong.

00:44:42.980 And then I'm thinking about, okay, there's, there's kids who their dad and mom just died

00:44:48.460 in a car crash.

00:44:49.860 There's people who, you know, they don't, they don't, they don't have food.

00:44:53.280 They don't know where the food's coming from, or, you know, they just lost a loved one.

00:44:57.060 And I'm like, okay, I really didn't have that bad of a day in the grand scheme of things

00:45:02.100 because my computer went to shit and my internet went out and I couldn't get all I wanted to

00:45:05.480 accomplish done.

00:45:06.500 But, you know, I think one thing people are doing though, in addition to what you're saying,

00:45:10.720 like we're making things up to fret over because we have to have meaning in our lives

00:45:13.880 is that I think a lot of people, when they paint themselves into these false narratives,

00:45:19.260 whether it's like you're saying with, with police or, um, the, the gender pay gap and

00:45:24.900 all these other issues that, that people seem to hit on is I think a lot of times they're

00:45:29.500 looking to explain away or excuse their underperformance, right?

00:45:33.980 Because if it's somebody else or something else, or somebody's doing this to me,

00:45:37.960 then it's not my responsibility.

00:45:39.780 If they only change their behavior, then my life is going to be different.

00:45:42.680 And we know generally that just isn't true.

00:45:45.060 So I agreed.

00:45:45.960 And I don't, I don't know why there's such a disconnect from real life to a lot of other

00:45:49.800 things where we don't do that.

00:45:51.100 And I'll give you an example.

00:45:52.100 Let's say soccer, right.

00:45:54.020 Is that, you know, um, or, or any professional sport, you know, there, there are advantages

00:45:59.460 that teams have over other teams.

00:46:01.840 Okay.

00:46:02.240 This team has more money to hire a better coach.

00:46:04.680 This team, you know, the weather is better where they train this team, uh, you know,

00:46:08.920 has more money to hire strength and conditioning coaches have better gyms have better fucking

00:46:13.820 whatever.

00:46:14.260 Well, is that considered an advantage?

00:46:15.740 Well, fuck.

00:46:16.140 Yes, it is.

00:46:16.860 Right.

00:46:17.360 Of course.

00:46:17.640 You know, when, when, when the game is played, right.

00:46:20.100 Let's say we, we spent, you know, on the soccer team, we spent all of our money on the

00:46:24.440 best fucking goalie in the world.

00:46:26.100 Right.

00:46:26.520 And so now we play the game and it's five to zero.

00:46:29.560 So the other team doesn't say fucking goalie wouldn't let us score God, you know, God

00:46:34.700 damn this thing, you know, what are we supposed to do about it?

00:46:36.980 He wouldn't let us fuck.

00:46:37.720 It's like, like, it's, it's that ridiculous.

00:46:40.440 Like there's no shortage of opportunity, you know, but there, but there's, there's such

00:46:45.960 an avalanche of excuse as to why you didn't fucking perform or didn't try harder or didn't

00:46:51.420 make the most of your opportunity.

00:46:53.040 I mean, the fact that, that people from, from other countries who are born in a goddamn

00:46:58.320 cardboard box can come here with nothing speaking, no English, you know, and fucking 13 years

00:47:05.100 later are worth several million dollars and own five businesses tells you everything you

00:47:09.720 need to know about, about this land of opportunity that we are so incredibly blessed to live in,

00:47:15.120 which is, there's no shortage of it.

00:47:16.960 You know, uh, you can do almost whatever you want, uh, you know, if, if you just fucking

00:47:22.500 work hard and people don't want to do that, they want to sit on their ass and blame other

00:47:27.320 people for their problems.

00:47:28.520 And again, I don't know why there's such disparity from real life to every other aspect of our

00:47:32.960 society.

00:47:33.540 Cause imagine in a post, uh, loss interview, you know, some, some athlete says, yeah,

00:47:39.740 fucking guy wouldn't let me score on him.

00:47:41.880 It's bullshit.

00:47:42.420 You know, it's like, are you kidding me?

00:47:44.600 Wait, what fucking try harder, you know, like you should have ran faster.

00:47:48.240 You should have hit them harder, whatever it is, you know, um, boxing.

00:47:51.580 That's not that far off though, man.

00:47:53.160 I'm telling you, like I, I was, I used to coach quite a few of my, my kids, uh, teams

00:47:58.540 and you know, they try to pull the score away.

00:48:01.300 They, I saw one article.

00:48:03.540 It was a legit article.

00:48:04.460 They were playing soccer without a ball.

00:48:06.060 So nobody scored anything and made the other team feel bad.

00:48:08.360 Like it's what you're saying sounds ridiculous, but you're actually predicting the future.

00:48:13.580 This is going to happen.

00:48:14.660 I hope not.

00:48:15.420 Yeah.

00:48:15.720 I mean, I guess on a professional level where there's money involved, like, I don't think

00:48:20.920 you're ever going to hear that because that is the great equalizer.

00:48:23.400 I mean, the same thing, like women's soccer bitching about not being paid as much as men.

00:48:27.480 Right.

00:48:27.960 Here's the reality.

00:48:28.600 Sell more tickets.

00:48:30.040 Well, you, you, you are a product, you know, whether you like it or not, you, you are,

00:48:33.720 and the product sells or it doesn't, you know, um, and to me, it's like, if you don't like

00:48:39.520 being viewed as a product, then don't play professional soccer for a living, you know,

00:48:43.760 but, but that's the case with everything.

00:48:45.580 Entertainers, the same thing, a shitty actor, you know, or somebody that people just don't

00:48:49.920 want to fucking see isn't going to make as much as Tom Cruise per movie.

00:48:54.580 Right.

00:48:55.020 Um, you know, and, and the, the reality of it is, is that the women's soccer team came

00:48:59.920 to Texas not long ago and, and played a group of high school boys.

00:49:05.140 It was a, you know, not a high school team, but high school age.

00:49:08.980 Um, I don't know what the, what the league is called, but you know, they're not professionals

00:49:12.500 or high school kids.

00:49:13.920 And, you know, the U S the, the, the, the handful of best women's soccer players in the

00:49:18.500 United States got their absolute asses handed to them by a group of high school boys,

00:49:22.920 you know, and, and so, you know, to me, I would say, you know, for, for all of the

00:49:27.860 gender pay gap stuff, especially in sports.

00:49:30.620 Uh, but I, I think it, it, it, it could be, um, trickled down to, uh, you know, a lot

00:49:36.940 of professions as well is that stop having men's and women's anything that, and see how

00:49:41.660 that goes.

00:49:42.480 Right.

00:49:43.080 Right.

00:49:43.960 You know, like, like for the Olympics, now there's no men's and women's events.

00:49:47.420 It's just the events, you know, and, and, and watch how many women win medals, right.

00:49:52.820 There's a reason why college, uh, you know, in high school and, and even in the Olympics,

00:49:57.460 why there are women's sports it's so that they can actually compete, you know, and you

00:50:02.840 see it with some transgender athletes now, which I think is a crock of shit.

00:50:05.920 And, and, uh, you know, I've had this debate with, with a number of people here here lately

00:50:10.260 for completely different reasons, but the whole transgender thing, not to get way off

00:50:13.820 topic, um, you know, but, but to me, if, if being a man or a woman, um, you know, is

00:50:19.640 not designated by, by biologically what you're born with, if it's, if it's between

00:50:24.240 here and here, and that's what makes you a man or a woman, then what fucking difference

00:50:28.800 does it make what you are?

00:50:30.520 Right.

00:50:31.100 And, and, and for that matter, what does it even mean then?

00:50:33.900 Like if, if being a woman or a man is a state of mind, then tell me what that state

00:50:40.000 of mind is.

00:50:40.740 And I would also ask, why is it that if you're born biologically as a male, but you

00:50:46.140 quote unquote identify as a female, why is it then that you aesthetically go out of your

00:50:52.140 way to appear just like all the people that, that biologically have what you're trying to

00:50:57.580 identify with?

00:50:58.460 Why do you give a fuck what you look like?

00:51:00.080 If it's not about that, like none of those things make sense.

00:51:03.160 And, and, you know, you bring that up and it's, well, you're a bigot and you're a transphobe

00:51:07.900 and all this other stuff.

00:51:08.760 And it's like, that's the most clear cut way to say, I can't argue my way out of a

00:51:13.120 paper bag is to just start hurling fucking personal insults because I can't have my position

00:51:18.640 challenge and actually back it up with any actual logic or reason.

00:51:23.540 The whole thing is, is kind of all connected that way.

00:51:26.960 And it's, it's if it wasn't so dangerous and sad, it would be laughable, but we're way

00:51:32.620 past that.

00:51:33.940 Well, and that's the problem.

00:51:34.760 I think you hit on it right there is that it's dangerous.

00:51:37.240 You know, look, look at sports, for example, women are going to get hurt.

00:51:41.720 I mean, they're there, that's already happening.

00:51:44.000 You have, I think there was a couple of UFC fights where a man who said he was a woman fought

00:51:50.320 another woman and injured her severely.

00:51:53.900 You know, this is only going to get worse.

00:51:56.260 And not only that, when we're teaching our kids the wrong thing, inaccuracies lies, that's

00:52:05.720 what they're going to build their entire worldview off of.

00:52:08.600 And they're going to be less effective, less productive because they don't have a truth,

00:52:13.420 a truthful foundation from which to operate in their lives.

00:52:16.980 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:52:18.000 I mean, and it's, yeah, it's setting them up for failure, you know, and it's like that

00:52:23.000 slippery slope of, you know, you get to decide, I think is the beginning of the end is that

00:52:29.520 it's like now facts aren't even facts anymore.

00:52:31.680 I mean, to me, it's no different than saying, you know, yeah, hey, I know I'm in math class

00:52:36.180 and two plus two is four.

00:52:37.420 But to me, two plus two is five.

00:52:40.000 Like, well, no, it isn't.

00:52:41.320 Like, I don't give a fuck what it is to you.

00:52:43.020 It's not, you know, and to me, it's those same things.

00:52:45.780 Like, I don't know when we paradigm shift wise as a society have gotten to the point where

00:52:52.360 now you're, it's, it's your opinion on fucking everything.

00:52:56.540 Well, I mean, look, here's the real issue.

00:52:58.440 And before I said UFC with that fight, it wasn't, I don't think it was UFC.

00:53:01.580 I just think it was an MMA fight.

00:53:02.660 So I just want to correct that.

00:53:03.520 But, um, I think here's another issue is that nobody has the balls to say anything about

00:53:11.280 it.

00:53:11.440 So someone comes and says, Hey, no, two plus two is five.

00:53:13.860 And everybody's like, Oh yeah, that person's like the, like the emperor with no clothes.

00:53:17.420 Right.

00:53:17.920 Like, Oh, that guy's kind of crazy, but like, I'm not going to say anything.

00:53:21.040 Cause I don't want to draw attention.

00:53:22.660 And that's the problem.

00:53:23.680 If you see something that's not truthful, that's a lie, then you need to actually say

00:53:28.300 something about it.

00:53:30.280 Yeah, I agree.

00:53:31.920 And I think, you know, the, the, the trans thing seems to be kind of the, at least for

00:53:37.420 me, and maybe I'm, I'm completely off base.

00:53:39.480 Maybe it's just anecdotally, like my experiences with, uh, you know, kids growing up in, in,

00:53:44.880 in today's day and age and getting in well into their teen years and seeing other kids

00:53:49.580 and whatever.

00:53:50.120 But, uh, you know, to me that that's the one kind of catalyst that seems like has kind

00:53:54.900 of started at all, you know, is that, you know, call it a gateway drug into, into the

00:54:01.140 political correctness of, of validating fucking crazy things, you know, and, and to me, percentage

00:54:07.840 wise, uh, you know, whether you want to call it transgenderism or gender dysphoria, which

00:54:13.020 is what it used to be called, I don't know why that's, that's a politically charged issue

00:54:17.520 or, or why that that's mean to say that it is, but to me, it is.

00:54:22.000 Sure.

00:54:22.980 Yeah.

00:54:23.300 I mean, it's me, it's a, it's a mental disorder.

00:54:25.160 I mean, that's what it is.

00:54:26.940 I think it's classified still as that in, uh, I don't know what the medical, uh, the books

00:54:33.020 are, but it is still classified as that, as far as I understand.

00:54:36.440 Yeah.

00:54:36.880 Or it was, you know, if you Google it now, it won't be, uh, if you duck, duck, go, it

00:54:41.220 might, uh, you know, and that, that's part of the big problem too, is that, you know, uh,

00:54:45.720 that there's, it's hard to even know what's, what's real or not.

00:54:48.400 I mean, it's like, we're living in the fucking matrix in a lot of ways, but, uh, but from a

00:54:52.340 percentage standpoint, right on the, on the physical deformity side, there's 21 major physical

00:54:57.420 deformities that Western science, uh, identifies as, as considerable same thing on, on the

00:55:03.600 mental, uh, issue side or, or mental disorder side.

00:55:07.080 In each case, 3% of the population is born with one, one of either a major medical, uh,

00:55:13.660 or, uh, physical deformity or a, uh, um, a mental, uh, disorder, uh, any of those by themselves

00:55:21.760 affect about 0.7% of the population.

00:55:24.940 All right.

00:55:26.300 People who, who are gay, uh, you know, the, the entire LGBTQ community is 3%, 3% of the

00:55:33.340 population identifies as, as one of those categories.

00:55:37.540 Transgenderism, uh, by itself affects 0.7% of the population.

00:55:41.420 So, so even percentage wise, it falls completely in line with, with all of the rest of those

00:55:47.380 things.

00:55:47.680 And the big differentiator though, is that let's say somebody, um, is a, is a schizophrenic,

00:55:54.520 right.

00:55:55.300 And they've got seven personalities in their mind.

00:55:58.180 To me, that's no different than validating all seven of these personalities and saying, no,

00:56:03.040 you, you, you know, you are seven different people, here's seven different IDs, here's

00:56:07.320 seven different lives, you know, or lives that, that, that you live, uh, and, and validating

00:56:13.080 that now, sure, a, in a, uh, in an institution where a therapist is working with them, they

00:56:19.260 may validate that to try to work through issues and, and see the depths with which their

00:56:24.060 schizophrenia, uh, you know, how far it goes and how many personalities there are.

00:56:28.600 But, but the general population should, should not be validating that.

00:56:33.760 Well, and even a therapist and a therapist is not going to enable that, you know, they,

00:56:38.080 they might acknowledge it, right.

00:56:40.360 They might acknowledge it and say, okay, well, you genuinely believe this.

00:56:43.280 So I need to acknowledge your thought process, but I'm certainly not going to enable, but here's

00:56:48.180 the interesting thing.

00:56:50.000 Ironically, it's those people who are willing to tell the truth about life to other people

00:56:54.800 in this context or any other context, let's say you have an employee who's doing a shitty

00:56:58.820 job.

00:56:59.440 Well, you don't want to make that employee feel bad, but you have to make those corrections.

00:57:03.160 Ironically, it's the person who actually speaks the truth, who I think cares more about the

00:57:07.820 person than the individual who's going to continue to lie to them and help them live in their own

00:57:11.980 delusion.

00:57:12.700 Those people aren't going to get the help they need if we continue to lie to them.

00:57:17.020 Oh, no, agreed.

00:57:17.600 I mean, it's, it's like enabling a drug addict.

00:57:20.200 I mean, it's, it's the same, it's the same principle.

00:57:22.140 Um, you know, and I also think, again, it, that seems to be the catalyst for other things

00:57:26.860 is that where do you draw the line, you know, because if that's okay, then, then what, what

00:57:32.160 isn't, you know, and, and does anybody that would say, yeah, no, that that's okay.

00:57:36.320 Well, what about from a cultural or ethnic racial standpoint, you know, what, what if I

00:57:42.120 just, for whatever reason, I feel more in tune with, with the Asian culture, right.

00:57:47.720 And that's just how I, I identify as, as, as, as an Asian man and not as a white man.

00:57:52.500 Right.

00:57:53.060 And the interesting thing about that is, is that's actually would be more accurate on

00:57:57.960 culture because culture is societally constructed.

00:58:01.900 Like, like America's culture is constructed by Americans, Indian culture by Indians, cultures

00:58:09.260 and history and belief and backgrounds and religion.

00:58:11.640 Biology is not culture.

00:58:13.440 Sure.

00:58:13.800 Yeah.

00:58:14.260 Culture is societally constructed.

00:58:16.400 Yeah.

00:58:16.820 But here's the irony with that is that the biology, which is not debatable, you know, is now fluid

00:58:22.860 and it's up to you and then you can, you can pick, but, but when it comes to, you know, if

00:58:27.560 I was to say, Hey, I want to apply to Harvard, not I identify Asian, you know?

00:58:31.500 So, uh, you know, that, that, that's, that's how I feel about it.

00:58:34.880 And, uh, and, and you need to accommodate that.

00:58:37.020 Like they would laugh at you, which if you, if you laughed at somebody that said, Hey, my pronouns

00:58:42.900 are this, you'd get fucking sued.

00:58:45.500 You know, like it's just, sometimes I, not sometimes I'd say most days I look around and

00:58:50.840 like, I'm, I'm just waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out of the closet and tell me I'm punked.

00:58:55.480 Like, I'm like, am I on a hidden camera show right now?

00:58:57.940 How can this be fucking real?

00:58:59.140 Uh, you know, and that's because nobody says anything about it.

00:59:02.460 Well, very few people, if, if the, if the 99% or whatever the percentages you're using,

00:59:08.420 the 97 or 99% of the people would say, no, that's not right.

00:59:13.480 That's ludicrous.

00:59:14.540 And we're not basing legislation, behavior, dictating how other people show up based on that.

00:59:21.440 We're not doing that.

00:59:22.260 Then it wouldn't happen.

00:59:23.260 But those people aren't willing to stand up.

00:59:25.740 Yeah.

00:59:26.360 Yeah.

00:59:26.960 99.7% of the population, you know, which, uh, ironically is also your, your chance of

00:59:32.580 beating COVID if you get it.

00:59:34.780 But, uh, now we're dragging that into it.

00:59:38.460 Oh yeah.

00:59:39.120 I don't even, I think that one's just been dragged through the mud.

00:59:43.160 I mean, I think we kind of do because at this point we all know it affects elderly people.

00:59:49.620 If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated.

00:59:52.040 If you don't, don't.

00:59:53.180 Everybody's had the decision to make their, their choice as an adult.

00:59:56.800 And, uh, let's, let's start living our lives.

00:59:59.300 I don't, I don't think that's an issue anymore, but apparently it is.

01:00:02.060 Yeah.

01:00:02.920 Well, you also talked about, um, and one thing you hit on earlier was, was America being

01:00:07.960 a rich spoiled brat is, is the term that you use.

01:00:11.100 And I think that's exactly right.

01:00:12.280 I think that's what you're hitting on right now is that we've had it so good for so long

01:00:15.720 that we just expect to be handed everything and coddled and nothing challenging or bad

01:00:20.540 can come our way.

01:00:21.660 And if it, if it does, then it's because somebody did it to us that the term that you hear a

01:00:26.080 lot is like hate speech.

01:00:27.620 Look, if somebody is actively calling for violence against you, yeah, that to me is an issue.

01:00:31.720 But if, if I came to you and I said, Hey Mike, you know what?

01:00:34.180 I think you're a moron.

01:00:34.980 I don't like you.

01:00:36.000 Okay.

01:00:36.240 Well, yeah.

01:00:37.720 Okay.

01:00:38.040 So maybe that's dubbed as hate speech.

01:00:39.500 I don't know.

01:00:39.900 Like it's so loose and open for interpretation, but yeah, I should have the right to say that.

01:00:45.040 Yeah.

01:00:45.140 I think there's a big difference between being a dick and hate speech.

01:00:48.820 Right.

01:00:49.320 You know, unfortunately those two things are kind of the same thing now.

01:00:54.600 Uh, you know, uh, and, and it's, you know, if you hurt somebody's feelings, you can go

01:00:58.360 to jail for it.

01:00:59.100 And it's just, you know, to me, ultimately, you know, there, there's, uh, you know, kind

01:01:04.240 of a, a, a, a simple principle where, you know, if, if you allow somebody to, to

01:01:09.660 offend you and hurt your feelings, you're, you are handing the control of your emotions

01:01:13.760 over to them, plain and simple, you know, no matter how big of a dick somebody isn't

01:01:17.740 and don't take that as like, I don't ever get worked up or somebody running their mouth.

01:01:21.300 Yeah.

01:01:21.420 There are times when I do, but it's pretty rare, you know?

01:01:24.680 Uh, and for that reason, like, I don't, I don't want to put myself in a position where

01:01:28.740 I'm allowing somebody else to dictate the control of my emotions.

01:01:32.360 I'm not going to do it.

01:01:33.600 Right.

01:01:34.080 And, uh, and it, and that's an all or nothing thing, you know, because as soon as it's, well,

01:01:38.180 but this word isn't okay.

01:01:39.780 Okay.

01:01:40.040 Well then this word isn't okay.

01:01:41.460 Well then that one isn't okay.

01:01:43.120 You know, uh, I've, I've had this debate with, uh, you know, some of the, the LGBT community

01:01:48.440 with, with the, the pronoun stuff.

01:01:51.360 Uh, you know, is, is it to me, like I, the way I view it, and this is, again, this is where

01:01:56.100 I, I make, I draw the line for me is that if you want to be called, whatever name you want

01:02:00.720 to be called, I'm happy to call you that, but I'm not going to call you a boy.

01:02:03.780 If you're not, I'm not going to call you a girl, you know, if you're not, I'll respect

01:02:07.440 the fact that, that if you want your name to be Christina and you were born, uh, as a

01:02:12.540 male and your parents named you, John, if you want to be called Christina, no problem,

01:02:16.960 but you're, you're a guy, John, and it's, he, you know, it's not Z it's not they it's

01:02:21.960 not, you know, like, like, again, those are, um, those are, are rules of the English language

01:02:28.700 that exists so that people can communicate properly, uh, you know, and, and, and I just,

01:02:34.520 I don't know how that's, uh, uh, up for debate, you know, but because, you know, where I get

01:02:40.440 into the debate is, is that, you know, it's like, well, you know, it offends me if you,

01:02:43.620 if you don't call me, you know, I'm non-binary, right.

01:02:45.960 I don't identify as either one.

01:02:47.520 And so I want you to call me they, right.

01:02:49.980 And it's like, okay, well, you know, that same person may, may say, or use the term

01:02:55.200 cisgendered, right.

01:02:56.540 You've heard of that.

01:02:57.940 Sure.

01:02:58.140 Yeah.

01:02:58.360 Okay.

01:02:58.560 So, so, all right.

01:02:59.480 Well, if, what if I tell you, it offends me that you call me cisgendered, I don't want

01:03:04.320 to be labeled as cisgendered.

01:03:05.520 I just want to be called a male.

01:03:06.800 Are you going to stop doing that?

01:03:08.860 Probably not.

01:03:10.120 You know, like you, like you don't get to dictate every aspect of it.

01:03:15.620 And again, to make it real simple is that, you know, here are the rules of the English

01:03:19.840 language and you just stick to them.

01:03:21.540 Right.

01:03:21.920 And it's not open to, uh, to debate, you know, like you,

01:03:25.180 you don't get to pick your fucking pronouns any more than you get to pick your sex at

01:03:28.440 birth.

01:03:28.840 If you're confused, I'm sorry.

01:03:30.440 I don't think you should be mistreated because of it, but I don't think you should be coddled

01:03:34.140 and, uh, you know, and enabled, uh, you know, for, for that aspect as well.

01:03:39.340 But the, the common rebuttal to what you're saying about human language is that human language

01:03:44.880 evolves, right.

01:03:45.940 And it has, and it will continue to evolve over time.

01:03:48.160 And so the, the rebuttal is, well, you know, we can change the human language changes.

01:03:52.180 And so we can, the problem is that we don't all agree that it's going to change this way.

01:03:59.440 And that leaves us confused and ineffective.

01:04:01.600 You know, I think about you and with the teams, I mean, imagine if you're all speaking a different

01:04:05.900 language and you don't understand each other, like how effective can you possibly be or at

01:04:10.280 work?

01:04:10.560 Here's another consideration at work.

01:04:12.500 You've got a team of 10, you got seven people who are acknowledged their biological sex.

01:04:17.780 And then you've got three hypothetically, uh, that don't, well, the seven now have to walk

01:04:22.060 on, on eggshells and tiptoe around and they can't have a real conversation with you.

01:04:26.500 They can't point out real issues.

01:04:28.220 They can't say, Hey, you're screwing this up because they're worried that you might, uh,

01:04:32.760 consider it some sort of, uh, you know, racially charged or sexist or misogynistic claim when

01:04:39.400 no, all I really mean is that you're not doing a good job and I need you to fix this.

01:04:43.080 And then the team becomes less effective.

01:04:45.840 Yeah.

01:04:46.480 And I think that that's a, uh, straw man argument also, because it's, there's a huge difference

01:04:53.240 between the subtle nuance of, of shifting of, of language culturally versus saying this

01:05:00.320 now doesn't mean this, it means that instead, you know, like those two aren't the same fact,

01:05:04.660 like it's just a chicken ship, uh, rebuttal to, well, the English language changes.

01:05:09.080 It's like, right, but, but not from a, I factually identify something as this blue doesn't mean

01:05:16.500 fucking green now, you know, and it won't, you know?

01:05:20.040 And so, uh, you know, yeah, I mean, to me, it's just such a, it's such a weak argument.

01:05:23.840 Like if, if that's the basis for, for what, uh, you know, what an argument is to, uh, to

01:05:30.100 validate that, I think that tells you a lot about, uh, you know, the, the lack of real ammo

01:05:34.660 and justification they have, uh, for trying to validate that.

01:05:39.120 Well, that, you know, that's another problem too, is there's nuance in, in the way that

01:05:42.920 we speak in language.

01:05:43.820 And so we have social media where it's just these small clippets and snippets of, uh,

01:05:49.520 uh, of, of talking points and, and people take it so literally and, and they don't realize

01:05:55.780 that even we believe there's exceptions to things we might be saying or, or conversations

01:05:59.960 that we may be having, and they're not even looking at it, you know?

01:06:02.680 Well, and that that's what's frustrating to me, but I think part of that comes from these

01:06:06.020 echo chambers and tribalism and you do talk about that.

01:06:09.520 It's like, Nope, this is my talking point.

01:06:11.140 Got to stick to my talking point.

01:06:12.620 Somebody else presents a, uh, an interesting perspective you hadn't considered before.

01:06:17.480 It's like, Oh, I got to ignore that.

01:06:18.760 I got to protect this ideology that I have.

01:06:20.860 And that happens on both sides of the aisle.

01:06:22.240 And I'm not immune to it either.

01:06:23.520 I know I'm guilty of that as well.

01:06:25.860 Well, I think, you know, again, you know, kind of like the first, first couple of principles,

01:06:29.560 it kind of dovetails onto the, you know, go in with the prospect that you might be wrong

01:06:34.400 to me in that same vein.

01:06:35.980 It's, it's that I, I welcome people to challenge any position I have in, in, in this book, any

01:06:41.100 interview I've ever done.

01:06:42.300 I mean, you, you know, you've pushed back on a number of topics, which I appreciate.

01:06:47.180 And I think everybody should, should welcome being challenged on anything they say, because

01:06:52.740 it does one of two things.

01:06:54.280 It either reinforces your position and you, and you have a reasonable way to defend it,

01:06:59.180 or it actually changes your mind and you grow from it.

01:07:02.920 You know, I've changed my mind on a lot of things.

01:07:04.980 And that's one of the things I mentioned in the book also is that I'm not just saying,

01:07:08.880 Hey, you should, you should be willing to change your mind.

01:07:10.880 I haven't because I've been right every time.

01:07:13.020 No, I've changed my mind on a lot of things.

01:07:15.480 And the example I use in the book is, is the kneeling of the anthem thing.

01:07:19.840 Um, you know, do I like that?

01:07:21.240 No, I don't.

01:07:21.900 Does it infuriate me?

01:07:22.860 Yes, absolutely.

01:07:23.560 It does.

01:07:24.520 Uh, do I think that it should be a legal?

01:07:26.560 No.

01:07:27.340 Uh, you know, and, and the reason is the NFL, just like a lot of other things is ultimately

01:07:31.860 at the end of the day, it's a fucking business, you know, and, and each franchise owner is

01:07:36.320 the owner of that franchise and that business, and they can run their team, how they see fit

01:07:40.700 and, and you can not like it and you can just not watch it and not support them.

01:07:45.100 And, and at the end of the day, you know, if the NFL loses 97% of their viewership over

01:07:50.780 something like that, I rest the fuck assured they'll stop doing it, you know?

01:07:54.740 And so if something bothers you that much, you've got to be willing to vote with your

01:07:58.400 wallet and not support it.

01:08:00.580 Um, you know, most of us aren't that convicted about these things we pretend to be upset

01:08:04.120 about though, either.

01:08:04.880 Oh, well, like, you know, I'm not going to ditch my Netflix.

01:08:07.380 Well, you know, I don't agree with what they're putting on, but I'm not ditching it.

01:08:10.440 I'm keeping it.

01:08:11.260 Yeah.

01:08:11.600 Yeah.

01:08:11.780 To me, it's pick one either, either be pissed and ditch it or keep it and shut the fuck

01:08:16.440 up about it.

01:08:17.060 Exactly.

01:08:17.580 Yeah.

01:08:17.760 A hundred percent.

01:08:18.360 You know?

01:08:18.880 Yeah.

01:08:19.200 Don't, don't complain about it then, you know, or complain about it and live by the sword

01:08:23.200 and fucking stop doing it, you know?

01:08:24.840 But, um, but you know, so that, you know, like at first I was like those motherfuckers,

01:08:28.700 like that shit should be a legal issue.

01:08:30.060 You know, like, no, wait a minute, they shouldn't be as much as I hate it.

01:08:33.980 This is where, you know, the first amendment and I get, you know, business is different

01:08:37.780 than, uh, you know, than, than just out in the public.

01:08:41.540 But at the end of the day, like it's a, it's a privately owned business.

01:08:44.740 They can, they can run it however the fuck they want.

01:08:46.800 I don't think that they should get any tax breaks.

01:08:48.640 I don't think it should be classified, uh, basically as a nonprofit and, uh, and get the

01:08:53.280 tax breaks that the NFL does.

01:08:55.320 Um, but I think, you know, they need to be able to run their business how they want on the

01:08:59.720 same token.

01:09:00.380 If a business owner says, no, every one of you motherfuckers is going to stand up when

01:09:04.800 I tell you to, and you're going to stand there and you're going to do this no different than

01:09:08.120 any other fucking job.

01:09:09.600 Right.

01:09:10.020 Is, is that, you know, if, I mean, the business that I own, like there are certain things

01:09:14.880 that I allow and certain things that I don't allow.

01:09:16.880 And granted, I'm pretty fucking liberal when it comes to my employees and let them, whether

01:09:20.640 it, you know, how they dress their political leanings, what they post, like, I don't give

01:09:23.600 a shit about any of that stuff, but there's people that do, you know, there's big corporations

01:09:27.380 that don't allow you to, I mean, you see it all the time, people getting fired because

01:09:31.000 of one post they put on Twitter or something they said on fucking Facebook nine years ago

01:09:36.000 or, or what have you, uh, you know, so it, it, it's not that that, that isn't allowed

01:09:40.280 and you can agree with it or you can disagree with it.

01:09:42.540 Um, but ultimately I think businesses should be able to run how they want it.

01:09:45.820 That's how they, they want to do it.

01:09:47.400 They should, they should be allowed to.

01:09:49.420 Well, the other thing is why would you want to support a business that you don't agree with?

01:09:52.720 You know, like so many people are like, well, they should change this and they should do

01:09:55.680 this differently.

01:09:56.980 Or alternatively, why, like, why do you, it would, it would be the equivalent of, of saying,

01:10:02.320 Hey, I've got this friend and I hang out with him and I feel shitty every time I'm with him

01:10:05.660 and he's a loser and he, he takes it out on me and he makes me feel bad about myself.

01:10:10.280 But you know, like, I really, I'm going to go spend more time with him.

01:10:13.280 Like, like nobody's going to do that.

01:10:15.800 So it's, yeah, I mean, or, or to me, like if, if you make them do something like at

01:10:23.020 that point, is it, is it, how is that any more respectful?

01:10:25.680 It's not like, I mean, to me, it's like, it's like asking for a compliment, you know,

01:10:30.000 it's, it's like, you know, a woman walking out in a sexy red dress.

01:10:33.760 Yeah.

01:10:34.120 I mean, it's like, like your wife walks out in a sexy red dress and you're, you're just

01:10:37.120 on your phone, you know, and you look up and you're like, Oh, Hey.

01:10:39.840 And she's like, are you going to say something?

01:10:42.640 You're like, Oh yeah.

01:10:43.480 Fuck baby.

01:10:44.080 You look hot.

01:10:44.680 Like, God, you look sexy as fuck tonight.

01:10:46.620 Like, does that mean anything at that point?

01:10:48.460 No, it doesn't.

01:10:49.120 No, no.

01:10:50.040 So, Hey, I mean, to me, it's kind of the same thing.

01:10:52.140 Like if they don't, you know, my, my version of respect is, is what it is, you know?

01:10:57.180 And, and if, and if, you know, the group of people that are doing that don't feel it's

01:11:01.760 that way, then fine.

01:11:02.760 You know?

01:11:03.000 And you can say, well, we didn't mean that as a, as a form of disrespect to a veteran.

01:11:07.060 Well, I mean, you could say the same thing about a racial slur.

01:11:09.420 Like, well, I didn't mean any disrespect by that.

01:11:11.640 Well, motherfucker, that's how they took it.

01:11:13.360 Right.

01:11:13.640 You don't get to decide if it was or not.

01:11:16.080 Yeah.

01:11:16.360 Like you may not have meant it that way, but I can tell you, use a racial slur around

01:11:20.780 certain groups of people and see how that, see if they're, if they feel disrespected

01:11:24.180 by it, you know, rest the fuck assured they will, you know, and, and that's their, their

01:11:28.280 right to, to feel disrespected by it.

01:11:30.460 So, uh, this is that same token, but again, I don't think you get to dictate how people

01:11:35.940 act.

01:11:36.420 If you're offended by what they're doing, you can fucking choose to ignore it or, or not.

01:11:41.360 Right.

01:11:42.000 Agreed.

01:11:42.740 Well, I like the conversation we've had because, you know, we've talked about a lot of these

01:11:46.280 issues and there have been some, you know, minor, Hey, let's talk about this.

01:11:49.220 And, but that is the point of, of the work in the book that you did is well, subtitled,

01:11:53.640 respectful, open-minded conversations.

01:11:55.520 I think, is that right?

01:11:57.020 Yeah.

01:11:57.440 It's a little bit of a contrast to the title, but I've, I figured, I was like, now, wait

01:12:01.600 a second here.

01:12:02.300 Is it, is that, is it really that or, and I know it is because that's what we're having

01:12:06.960 right now.

01:12:07.600 You know what I mean?

01:12:08.820 Yeah.

01:12:09.240 Yeah.

01:12:09.460 I mean, it's, it's, uh, I think that's why America is so fucked is, is because there's

01:12:13.640 such a lack of decorum when it comes to, to actually talking about things, people just

01:12:17.920 get mad and they start throwing personal insults and they, they react emotionally instead of

01:12:23.580 reasonably, um, you know, and, and anytime you, uh, you, you, you ditch reason for emotion,

01:12:29.160 uh, you can, you can almost rest assured it's going to be a wrong, wrong decision.

01:12:33.240 For sure.

01:12:34.240 Well, tell the, uh, tell the guys where to go, how to connect with what you're doing.

01:12:37.360 Obviously they can pick up a copy of the book, wherever they get books.

01:12:39.580 Um, but where should they connect with you?

01:12:41.820 So if you just go to, to Mike Ritland co.com or just Google my name and that'll be the first

01:12:47.420 thing that comes up, that's really the kind of the hub of, of everything, whether it's

01:12:51.000 dogs, dog training, the podcast, the books, speaking engagements, warrior dog foundation,

01:12:56.340 you know, every, anything and everything that I have going on is all kind of centrally

01:12:59.480 located there to just try to make it easy.

01:13:02.040 Awesome.

01:13:02.380 Um, and we didn't obviously talk about this today, but guys, if you have a dog or a pup

01:13:06.400 and you want to train that pup yourself, or even if you don't, there's great training

01:13:12.060 and I can attest to it because I've taken two dogs through that training, uh, that you've

01:13:16.820 put together and it's phenomenal.

01:13:19.180 I've never had more well-behaved dogs in my life than when I started using the training

01:13:24.100 that you put together.

01:13:25.400 I appreciate that.

01:13:26.820 It's a very, very flattering coming from you.

01:13:28.920 And, uh, and also the food, the one thing that I did launch here since the last time

01:13:32.540 we talked is, uh, is the fueled by team dog food and, uh, and treats and supplements,

01:13:37.220 uh, which have been going really, really well.

01:13:39.460 And, uh, and I can't recommend that stuff enough.

01:13:41.500 I, I, I only sell it because, you know, I basically worked with a manufacturer to, to

01:13:46.660 formulate a blend that I wanted for all the retired dogs and my own personal dogs that

01:13:52.100 I just couldn't, couldn't find the consistency and quality that I wanted, which is a recurring

01:13:57.340 theme with all of the products that I do.

01:13:58.940 They're all made because of, of that is because this is exactly how I want it.

01:14:02.620 And so since I'm making it for me, then, then I'll, I'll sell it as a product also.

01:14:06.440 So, um, it's really good stuff and, uh, and I can't recommend it enough.

01:14:10.160 It should be, uh, should be coming on Chewy here soon too, but.

01:14:13.340 Oh, that's cool.

01:14:13.760 Is there a, uh, is there like a CB, CBD oil version or something?

01:14:19.500 Oh, there was.

01:14:20.180 Okay.

01:14:20.640 Yeah.

01:14:20.860 We used to do CBD oil.

01:14:22.180 The, uh, the, the connection that there still is with, uh, advertising and Google ads and

01:14:28.340 stuff like that, because it's a hemp product.

01:14:30.180 It was just too big of a fucking hassle to, uh, to continue to, to battle with them.

01:14:34.740 So, uh, we, we don't sell it, which is unfortunate because it was a good product too.

01:14:37.960 And yeah, I had a lot of really good, positive feedback of people that said it changed their

01:14:41.720 dog's lives and what have you, but it just, uh, cost benefit analysis wise.

01:14:45.780 It wasn't, uh, it just wasn't worth keeping on.

01:14:48.180 But I was wondering about that because while we had Sarge, he, he passed away several months

01:14:52.580 ago, but, um, he was such a high strung dog and he was always, he seemed very anxious all

01:15:01.100 the time, not just like excited, but anxious.

01:15:04.200 Like there was some anxiety or something issues going on.

01:15:07.780 And I was wondering if that would help with some of that.

01:15:10.480 I mean, he's active.

01:15:11.220 We kept him outside.

01:15:12.320 We ran him all the time.

01:15:13.240 So it wasn't any of that.

01:15:14.380 I don't know.

01:15:15.400 Yeah.

01:15:15.800 I would say in most cases it is, uh, in most cases it's effective, uh, you know, CBD oil

01:15:21.300 for dogs, similarly with people.

01:15:22.740 I think, uh, most people, uh, see a benefit to it, uh, but not everybody, you know, uh,

01:15:28.560 I'd say, you know, my, my experience was about a 80 to 85% of the dogs, uh, that we put it

01:15:34.780 on, uh, showed a noticeable impact.

01:15:37.220 And the neat thing about it is, and same thing with the food and the supplements, frankly,

01:15:41.060 is that, I mean, I've gotten, you know, feedback from people all over the place that, uh, talk

01:15:45.580 about, you know, had a dog is really hard to keep weight on, or, you know, dog's coat looked

01:15:49.680 like shit, or he's real itchy and scratchy and hotspots and whatever.

01:15:52.500 And, uh, you know, within about 30 days of switching to the food, it's, uh, you know,

01:15:56.400 it's a very transformative process, but, um, you know, so yeah, with, with most, most

01:16:01.580 dogs, uh, the food, the treats, the CBD oil, it was all pretty effective, but yeah, well,

01:16:07.080 we'll sync it all up.

01:16:07.840 Well, Mike, I appreciate you, brother.

01:16:09.100 Appreciate our friendship and always our conversations.

01:16:11.060 They're always good.

01:16:11.740 And I walk away with some new information or new ways of looking at things.

01:16:14.180 So excited to get this out to the guys.

01:16:16.660 Appreciate you, brother.

01:16:18.160 I appreciate you.

01:16:19.080 Thank you.

01:16:20.760 All right, you guys, there you go.

01:16:21.820 My conversation with the one and only Mike Ritland.

01:16:24.840 I hope you enjoyed that show and that conversation, even in disagreement.

01:16:28.620 Uh, I know you probably disagreed with it.

01:16:30.580 You probably agreed with other facets of it.

01:16:32.460 These are the conversations that we need to be having.

01:16:34.640 So guys, if you're not having these conversations with other men in your sphere of influence,

01:16:39.520 neighbors, colleagues, coworkers, friends, family, et cetera, then I think we're really

01:16:43.500 missing a powerful opportunity to have conversations that are going to make a real difference and

01:16:47.840 a real impact in our way of life.

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Order of Man - December 28, 2021

MIKE RITLAND ｜ How to Unf＊ck America

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