Order of Man - Mind the Opportunity Gaps, What Makes a Powerful Question, and What Every Man is Searching For

00:00:00.020 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.000 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.460 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.480 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.700 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:24.980 Kip, what's up man? It's good to see you. Good to be back. I'm in a better mood today.

00:00:28.580 I was in a very bad mood last week. Oh, I was in a bad mood.

00:00:34.280 This week, I'm in a better mood, but I'm like, hurry, let's do this. Let's get it all done.

00:00:40.020 Because I was gone all of last week. So today, I'm playing catch up.

00:00:46.640 And I'm in a good mood, but I got a lot of stuff to do today. So let's crank it out.

00:00:51.020 You have to be productive.

00:00:51.640 Yeah, exactly. I got home at, I think, 3 a.m. yesterday. Traveling is horrible, just generally.

00:01:02.460 But lately, it's even more horrible with airlines and staff shortages and fuel prices.

00:01:13.580 I mean, the cost of what I paid for my son and I to get to Texas. And granted, I'll take some

00:01:20.240 ownership. I delayed that stuff. I think we booked our flights four days maybe or so before we were

00:01:27.340 supposed to go down there because I hate the logistical side of things. I have two incredible

00:01:33.440 women helping me on that aspect of my life. Brandy, who helps with all the podcasting stuff.

00:01:39.840 And then my beautiful wife. Between both of them, they still have a hard time reining me in when it

00:01:44.640 comes to logistics of things. But yeah, it's horrible. And then we fly into Dallas. And then

00:01:55.760 our flight from Dallas to North Carolina was late. First, it said a half an hour. Then it was 40 minutes.

00:02:02.300 Then it was 50 minutes. Then it was 60 minutes. I'm like, bro, I don't think we're going to hit

00:02:05.780 our next flight from North Carolina to Maine. But we made it work. We put the hustle in. We made it

00:02:12.720 work. The biggest thing that we were frustrated about, my son and I, is that we had 90 pounds of

00:02:19.220 pork. We had 90 pounds of pig meat. And if we missed our flight, that meat was ruined.

00:02:26.080 Yeah. Fortunately, we made it home.

00:02:28.060 Yeah. The short window to make that work out well for you.

00:02:31.000 Yeah. Yeah. And if we missed that flight, that meat's going bad. And I was thinking about it.

00:02:38.080 I'm like, if it goes bad, what do I do with it? And I thought, I'm going to leave with the airline.

00:02:42.440 That's their problem. They can deal with it. Their ones got me late. They can deal with that shit,

00:02:47.180 not me. Just don't go pick up the bag.

00:02:47.880 I'm not going to, I'm not going to pick it up.

00:02:52.100 It's their problem.

00:02:55.440 Yeah. It would be so funny because they're like, you know what? It smells like death in

00:03:00.880 the baggage play, baggage claim room.

00:03:04.720 Yeah. We actually had, I had a friend of mine who we, we, we've been friends for probably two

00:03:14.020 decades at this point, at least. Yeah. And we've hunted together. We went to Hawaii together last

00:03:20.480 year and hunted, um, access deer out there. And he's got, he bought, I don't, I don't know. He's,

00:03:28.840 he's, he's independently wealthy. He's very successful. I think he bought a boat in Alaska

00:03:34.940 or something or bought in, I don't know. I don't know what he did, but he's always in Alaska fishing.

00:03:41.040 And so he sent me some halibut from Alaska to Maine and the post office called me. This was last

00:03:47.620 year. I said, Hey, we have a package here and it's leaking. Would you like to pick it up? And I said,

00:03:54.480 no, I don't want to pick it up. I said, just throw it away because I knew exactly what it was. So

00:04:01.180 they threw it away. And unfortunately I didn't get my halibut from Alaska last year, but that's

00:04:05.920 funny. You know, you better do it on ice. No, it was leaking. Cause it took too long to get here

00:04:12.840 and it thawed out. And it was, I don't know if it was the ice or if the halibut, I don't know how

00:04:17.480 even packaged it. I don't even, I didn't even open it. I didn't even get it. Cause I said, you guys

00:04:22.140 dispose of it. I'm not doing it. So they did. The joys of hunting. I'll tell you what, if you're

00:04:30.220 an outfitter or a guide of some sort, and you're listening to this, I'll tell you the biggest thing

00:04:35.700 that you can do that. This is a gap. I'm always looking for gaps because I'm a marketer. I'm an

00:04:41.920 entrepreneur. I'm like, where's the gap? Like, what can I do to improve this? I'll tell you where the

00:04:45.680 gap is for you outfitters and guides. If you get the shipping stuff dialed in, you'll sell out every

00:04:53.480 hunt from here till forever. Cause every hunt I've been on, I go on a hunt and I kill an animal

00:04:58.700 and I'm like, Hey, what do I do with the meat? They're like, I don't know. I go, really? Like,

00:05:03.440 you didn't think about that. You didn't think about how I might get my, my meat back to wherever I am.

00:05:10.060 Maybe you ought to think about that. And look, is it, you might say, well, it's not my responsibility.

00:05:14.980 I showed you how to kill it and what it's not. But if you lock that in, you'd make yourself

00:05:21.720 indispensable. That's all I'm going to say. Look for the gaps, fill the gaps. That's where the

00:05:28.200 opportunities lie. There you go. So we'll take after it or get after it. Take care of that.

00:05:34.320 All right, man. Well, let's get to some questions today. Yeah. So we're building questions from Facebook

00:05:39.320 to join us there. Facebook.com slash group slash order of man. All right. Nick Perry,

00:05:46.060 your thoughts around a father's role in addressing their teenage child's depression.

00:05:53.300 My thoughts on their role. I mean, obviously the role is integral. You know, I, I, I think that goes

00:05:59.340 without saying like, it's, it's your job. I think there's a better question in here. That's, that's

00:06:07.100 really something I want you guys to focus on actually is asking better questions, like your

00:06:14.180 thoughts. I can appreciate that you're curious about it, but I don't know where to take that.

00:06:19.900 So one of my favorite quotes is the quality of your life will be determined by the quality of

00:06:25.780 questions you ask. It's not a high quality question. It's an important question. I'm not

00:06:33.000 saying that it's a very important question. It's just not a great question because I don't know what

00:06:39.420 you're talking about. Yeah. Like, are you, are you asking me, do I think they should get therapy?

00:06:43.640 Are you asking me what I think they should do? Are you asking me if depression is real? Are you at like,

00:06:48.260 what exactly are you asking me? How should the child? Yeah. So many different things. So the first

00:06:53.480 thing I would say before I get into what I would interpret as, as his motive is ask good questions,

00:07:00.480 guys, be specific, be relevant. Give me any con not overly contextual, but any context that I actually

00:07:11.660 need to be able to answer the question. And then I can give you a more formulated answer that will

00:07:17.720 actually put you in a better position. If you just say thoughts, like, I don't, I don't know what

00:07:24.320 you're looking for. So in the spirit of what I think you're looking for is if I had to interpret

00:07:31.140 it, I would say, you're asking me how I would handle a situation. If a child of mine had depression,

00:07:39.720 I think that's how I would interpret that. Yeah. And, and to be fully transparent,

00:07:44.080 I added your thoughts. His original question was a father's role in addressing their teenage

00:07:49.300 child's depression. So I was like, well, your thoughts, maybe so.

00:07:54.300 Yeah. So like that, the answer to that question could literally be, I think it's important.

00:07:59.900 Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Right. And, and so, but that's not what you're looking for.

00:08:04.440 So if you want, so I think a lot of the times that we're deviating from the question, what can I

00:08:08.800 promise you brother, we're going to get to it, but this is very important. You guys need to ask for

00:08:15.720 what you want. And if you don't ask for what you want, you're not going to get it. So if you want a

00:08:24.000 promotion at work, you better ask for a promotion. Like none of this bullshit about like hemming and

00:08:30.780 hawing around like, Oh, how could I be more valuable? What can I do? And no, like, Hey Kip,

00:08:37.560 you're my supervisor. I've been working here for three years. And here's X, Y, and Z that I've done.

00:08:45.120 And I would like to be promoted to this new opening that is available. And here's why I think I'm

00:08:50.840 valuable. And will you promote me to that position? Yeah. Like guys, like grab life by the

00:08:58.600 balls, please. For once you want to change your life. This is the single greatest thing you can do.

00:09:04.400 If you're one of our young brothers who are single, or maybe you're not so young, you know,

00:09:09.020 40 years old for myself. And you recently went through a divorce or maybe you've never been married

00:09:15.220 at all. And you really have this woman that you're interested in grab life by the balls. And actually

00:09:20.940 I go up to that woman and say, I would really like to take you out on a date. Will you join me for

00:09:25.940 dinner this weekend? Or if you've been dating a woman for months and you, you love her and you

00:09:34.780 want to spend time with her and you want to be with her forever, man, ask her, Hey, I want to be

00:09:41.960 with you for the rest of my life. I can, I can see this. I know I want this and I know what we can

00:09:48.360 create together. Will you marry me? Gosh, dang, man, like grow, grow some balls. If, if you've got

00:09:57.000 a wife and maybe you're not as intimate. Okay. I'm going to share something personal right here.

00:10:02.040 So I got home after being gone for a week last night at 2 AM. My wife was asleep on the couch,

00:10:11.920 but you know what? We were intimate last night because that's what I wanted.

00:10:21.480 I wasn't taking no for an answer. All right. And please don't misinterpret what I'm saying here.

00:10:27.120 I'm not saying take advantage of women. Some of you assholes are going to interpret it like that,

00:10:31.820 but I'm not taking no for an answer because I'm assertive enough to go after what I want.

00:10:36.820 And what I wanted last night was her, my wife. I wanted to be intimate and sexual with her.

00:10:45.800 And guess what? The deed was done. Yeah. Okay. Like I, I don't talk about that a whole lot because

00:10:54.320 I try to respect my wife in that context, but I think it's important for you guys to understand

00:10:59.580 that if you want something, you got to go after it. Like nobody's going to guess, nobody's going to

00:11:05.600 hand it to you. Nobody's going to give it to you. No, nobody's going to try to assume what you mean

00:11:11.320 or read through the lines, like get what you want. Okay. Now to come back to your question about

00:11:19.340 thoughts about children and depression, what are you asking me? What I'm going to interpret

00:11:26.040 is how would you deal with it? What I would personally do is I would spend a boatload of time

00:11:32.640 with my child being engaged, being present, teaching. I went on this hunt with my oldest son

00:11:41.200 and we were gone for about five or six days. And we had real conversations about girls and life and

00:11:49.740 what do you wanted to do? And we joked and we teased each other and we told stories and we watched

00:11:56.940 video footage from the hunt and we laughed at each other and we teased each other. And we said,

00:12:02.540 that was a good shot. Good, good job. Well done. Um, and I was just present.

00:12:10.160 Now, if we have something that's a little bit more extreme, like something where it's, you know,

00:12:14.800 clinical depression, for example, then there might be an instance that I read through some of these

00:12:21.300 questions. I think this is going to hit on something a little bit later that you're going to bring up

00:12:24.540 is where you just need to get out of the way and realize your own limitations. So if I have a child

00:12:31.440 who's dealing with some real mental issues or depression or even suicidal thoughts, then I need

00:12:38.600 to be strong and bold and courageous enough and confident enough in myself to just get out of the

00:12:45.000 way and bring a third party in, in this case, a therapist. So are we talking about a child who

00:12:51.240 is dealing with the frustration and confusion and anguish of turning into a young daughter or excuse

00:13:00.900 me, a young lady or a young man into a man or a woman? And that's something you can certainly deal

00:13:06.140 with. Or are we talking about something that is, you know, clinically diagnosed as being suicidal or

00:13:13.260 depressed? And that's an entirely different issue. And then we bring in third party resources to help

00:13:18.580 out with some of that stuff. And we shouldn't be intimidated by that. The only reason you'd be

00:13:22.280 intimidated by that is because you care more about yourself than you do about the people in your life.

00:13:28.060 Like if I'm in Tim, so I'm going to jump ahead to that question. I think there was a question later

00:13:32.520 about how do you bring other people into his life or something like that along those lines?

00:13:36.500 I, my, my oldest son. Yeah. My oldest son has, um, uh, a strength coach. He has power. My oldest son

00:13:46.180 does powerlifting. And so I have another coach, a coach who actually teaches him and guides him and

00:13:51.560 instructs him. I can't do that. Like, I don't, I don't know enough about that. Now, if I was so ego

00:13:59.800 centered to believe that I had to have all the answers, then I would be doing my son a disservice,

00:14:05.400 but instead I decided to get out of the way and bring somebody else in who is uniquely qualified

00:14:11.140 to offer that training to him. And he's infinitely better served than what I could do for him.

00:14:16.820 So we need to be aware of that when it comes to the depression,

00:14:20.460 suicidal thoughts side of things, all of that as well.

00:14:24.080 Peyton Owens, what's your take on helping a family member who's addicted to drugs and a criminal?

00:14:30.320 My family always tells him, go get rehab, do this, do that for someone who is deep in his ways and

00:14:37.100 surely against taking accountability. That angle of approach doesn't hit home with him.

00:14:42.020 I haven't spoken with him in a long time, but recently I decided to take him fishing to show him

00:14:46.840 that people are actually cool and life can be happy. Ultimately, I'm trying to get him to turn

00:14:52.100 himself into, I'm trying to get him to turn himself in because he's a fugitive. Any thoughts or advice?

00:14:59.960 I've always just accepted his way and detached myself, but I want to provide some value to him

00:15:04.980 and care again. Listen to the terminology you just used. I'm trying to get him to dot, dot, dot.

00:15:13.500 Yeah. You can't. You can't. All you can do is influence. That's all you can do. And for you to

00:15:25.020 take him fishing, that's a very influential moment. I think that's well played. I would commend you for

00:15:30.500 that. You took the family member fishing and I don't know what you guys talked about, but maybe

00:15:38.020 you talked about his issues. Maybe you didn't. I don't even think you necessarily need to. You

00:15:43.440 know, you just be there. You be for him. You be there for him. You show him or her. I don't know

00:15:48.680 if it's a male or female, him or her, how important they are and that you value them, that you care

00:15:54.220 about them, that you want to be with them, that you want to serve them. So I think what you did is

00:16:01.120 exactly right. The problem with high achieving men is that doing the right thing doesn't always

00:16:06.180 produce immediate results. You know, so if you go to the gym and you're 40 pounds overweight,

00:16:12.980 you know, you might see some nominal results over the next couple of weeks, but it isn't going to be

00:16:17.720 what you want. And that's the blessing and the curse. The blessing is that you're motivated. You're

00:16:22.460 like, no, I want more. And that's a blessing. The curse is it doesn't come fast enough. And so for

00:16:27.640 somebody like yourself who cares deeply about a family member, the blessing is that you actually care.

00:16:32.800 Like that's beautiful. That's a great thing. The curse is that you can't control this person.

00:16:39.460 So you can go, it reminds me of, um, is it, it's hitch the movie hitch with Will Smith. Have you ever

00:16:47.260 seen that? Yeah. It's like a superhero of some sort, right? Is that hit? No, no. Hitch is where he,

00:16:52.780 like, he's a, he's like a love doctor and he like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm

00:16:57.560 saying? He connects. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. And he has a funny scene with,

00:17:02.800 the guy, I don't even know the guy's name. He has a funny scene with the other guy in the movie.

00:17:07.580 And he's teaching him about how the first kiss after the date, when you walk the woman to the

00:17:14.020 doorstep works and he like, he's role-playing with a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin, something is a Kevin.

00:17:20.580 I don't know. He's role-playing with the guy and he's like, okay, now if you're the man,

00:17:26.700 you go 80% and you let the woman come 20%. And so he goes 80% Will Smith. Cause he's role-playing

00:17:32.380 goes 80%. And he's like, and you let the other person come 20%. And then they end up kissing,

00:17:39.940 you know? Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, no, I told you go 80%. You don't go the full 100%.

00:17:46.780 Yeah. This is the same scenario. You don't go a hundred percent. You go as much as you can,

00:17:53.740 but you got to understand that they have to come a little bit of the way and it sucks when they don't,

00:17:59.160 but that's not your responsibility. Totally. Totally. I like a hundred percent.

00:18:05.040 You're going to burn yourself out. You're going to burn yourself up and you're not going to be

00:18:08.340 able to serve anybody. So you find whatever that appropriate number is. I don't know if it's 40.

00:18:13.280 I don't know if it's 50. I don't know if it's 80, but look, if they're not willing to invest in

00:18:17.720 themselves to some degree, whether they're a drug addict or, or they, they abuse alcohol or they have

00:18:24.100 mental illness, whatever, if they're not willing to come some portion of the way, gosh, there's only

00:18:29.600 so much you can do. Totally. Totally. And I think you're going to set unfair expectations or even

00:18:36.140 have a covert contract when you go a hundred, right? If you're like, okay, I'm going to do this and

00:18:40.480 they're going to change. And when they don't, then what? Right? Like, I actually really liked what

00:18:44.840 Peyton said in his last sentence. He said, I've always just accepted his ways. And then he adds,

00:18:51.520 and then I detached myself. I'm not saying you have to accept his ways as in being okay,

00:18:57.300 but there's huge power in saying, Hey, you know what, brother, I'm going to love you as a family

00:19:03.680 member. I'm here for you when you need it. I care about you. I unconditionally from the perspective

00:19:10.440 of, Hey, you can keep being a dipshit and do horrible, you know, things and mess up your life.

00:19:17.140 But guess what? You know, I'm willing to take you fishing regardless, you know, and you don't have

00:19:22.820 to detach yourself. Now we've talked about there's, there's always some kind of some dangers and

00:19:27.240 boundaries, and you don't want to have a relationship that's affecting maybe you or

00:19:31.400 your family in a negative way. And so there's some balance there, but there's huge power in just

00:19:35.460 accepting someone for the way they are without the reasons and the excuses and the preconceived notions

00:19:40.720 that they need to be changed or be somewhere else. And let's be honest. That's a powerful

00:19:45.900 relationship, right? If I know Ryan, that you care for me, not because, you know, I have to change or

00:19:52.160 I have to be a certain way for you to actually even be my friend. Well, what kind of friendship

00:19:56.480 is that to begin with anyway? Right. And so there's some power to stand for him in spite of his,

00:20:02.700 his differences and be there to support him. Thoughts still Ryan on this, because I've, I've given a

00:20:07.960 lot of thought about, cause we always, we go to this, right? We go to lighthouse, tugboat,

00:20:13.420 be a good example. But, but I do think there's some value in what causes someone to change,

00:20:19.280 right? And, and really the first couple of steps of that is their realization that there's a problem

00:20:25.000 is the first step. And usually the second step is getting clear on the impact of their way of being.

00:20:32.460 So you just maybe knowing that and, and knowing that the first step isn't necessarily

00:20:39.580 him getting off drugs. That's actually not the first step. The first step is him actually realizing

00:20:45.960 that he's got a problem, right? And that him coming to the conclusion, is he willing to make

00:20:52.320 that necessary adjustment due to the impact? And, and maybe you use that and twine that into your

00:20:57.480 conversations a little bit, but, uh, I think everything we just said is still relevant regardless

00:21:02.220 of that. So I heard, I, I, I think I posted this on Twitter several months ago. I said, never,

00:21:09.500 uh, never attempt to rescue somebody who isn't willing to participate in the rescue.

00:21:15.400 Yeah. And then I, I heard somebody else say something very similar just a couple of weeks ago.

00:21:20.400 I think it was on one of my podcasts. Actually, I think it was Tim Tebow. I think he said,

00:21:24.820 when you're rescued, you become part of a rescue party. Like you, you have an active role to play

00:21:32.980 and, and I've got a book coming out in the fall. And I actually talk about one of the chapters in

00:21:38.720 the book is don't be a superhero. Don't be a superhero. You're not Superman. And your goal

00:21:46.300 and your job is not to run around rescuing victims everywhere you go. Your job is to build influence

00:21:52.740 and credibility and authority with other individuals. And you don't do that by rescuing

00:21:56.960 people. You do that by arming them with the skills and, and, and resources and information

00:22:03.420 and skillset they need to be able to rescue themselves. And it's hard to see somebody that

00:22:09.840 you care about really struggling. It is hard. And so we run in and we, we act like we're Superman

00:22:17.460 and then it doesn't work. And so we wasted a bunch of time and energy and resources,

00:22:24.100 and we may be alienated or ostracized other people that were important to us or that we're

00:22:29.860 willing to participate in their own rescue for this individual. Who's not willing to do the same.

00:22:36.680 So guys, we really need to be careful of rushing in to save Gotham city or, or, or, you know,

00:22:45.320 or whatever. Like that's not your job. Like our job is men is to empower people. If you were to ask

00:22:53.760 me, what is my role with order of man is to empower people. I made a post in our iron council,

00:22:59.400 which is our exclusive brotherhood earlier today. And I said, don't become friends with your team

00:23:06.520 members. That's not why these guys are here. They're not here to be your friend in six years.

00:23:13.980 I've never heard a single person say to me, Ryan, the reason I joined the iron council is so I can

00:23:19.560 have more friends. Never. The reason I joined the iron council is I want camaraderie. I want

00:23:28.720 accountability. I want better results in my life. And so I talk with our team leaders and I tell them

00:23:35.620 consistently, don't be a friend. You can't rescue people from the same plane that they're operating

00:23:44.860 on. You got to be on a different plane. It doesn't make us better. I'm not saying we're worth more.

00:23:50.020 We're better than individuals, but you can't, I think Einstein said that you can't, or at least

00:23:55.480 it's attributed to him. You can't solve problems at the same level of thinking that the problems were

00:24:01.140 created. I'm paraphrasing. Yeah. It's, you got to be on a different plane. And if you get so close

00:24:07.200 to these individuals and you, you rest all of your sense of self-worth on them improving themselves,

00:24:15.820 it's a recipe for disaster. Step aside, be influential, establish authority, establish

00:24:26.100 influence, establish credibility, and then you got to let the chips ride. Got to let it go where it

00:24:32.040 goes. And it doesn't always land in your favor. I had a buddy when we were right out of high school,

00:24:37.280 he really liked to go to Vegas. So I'd go to Vegas and he liked to gamble. I don't like to gamble. I

00:24:41.480 never have. And he would, he would say, I'm going to go down to Vegas. I'm going to ride the red

00:24:46.500 train. The red train? The red train. I don't even know what that is. He'd go play roulette and he

00:24:53.840 would put a bunch of money down on roulette. And if it, I don't even know the rules, you guys know

00:24:57.840 better than I, but if it lands on a red number, then he doubles his money or whatever. I, again,

00:25:03.100 I don't really know exactly, but he would like double his money. And so he's like, always ride

00:25:07.260 the red train. So he'd go put his money down on red. And then it was completely out of his hands.

00:25:13.040 I'm like, bro, like it's a 50% chance it's going to land on red. And he's like, yeah, but if I do it

00:25:20.280 enough, then I'm whatever. All I'm saying is it's just chance at that point. And that's what he was

00:25:27.480 doing. He's like, put it all on red and let it ride. That's a little bit about what we need to

00:25:31.520 do when it comes to influencing people, do everything that you can possibly do. And then

00:25:38.160 just let it ride and don't attach yourself to the results. You know, with this guy, like you put in all

00:25:44.300 the effort, you put in all the work. And if he improves great, if he doesn't too bad, but it says

00:25:49.420 nothing about you, you just let it ride. Cause the rest is without a beyond your control.

00:25:55.080 Yeah. And I love what you said earlier, Ryan, what's the real value you carrying?

00:26:00.540 Yes. That's the real value is him knowing that someone's there caring in spite of his

00:26:05.760 poor decisions. That's powerful in itself. Yeah. Matt gross. What are your thoughts on

00:26:13.420 building your children's credit ratings before they turn 18? I haven't really thought about that.

00:26:18.620 Actually. Yeah. I don't like, I don't like the credit system anyways. Like I'm trying to get

00:26:24.120 to a position where you're not relying on it. Yeah. Give me some money based on my payments or lack

00:26:30.860 thereof. And, and, and, you know, we're getting there, you know, that's, that's a good position to

00:26:36.160 be in. Um, look, yeah, maybe that would work. Maybe it's valuable. Uh, I, I wouldn't be too

00:26:45.000 concerned about that because frankly, you know, I didn't, I didn't have credit when I was 18.

00:26:51.560 I think the first vehicle that I had, my mom co-signed with me so I could build up some credit,

00:26:55.980 but that was after I was 18. So yeah, maybe you can have them as a co-signer on your account,

00:27:02.560 or you can open them a small credit card or something or an authorized user. Uh, my kids all

00:27:08.480 have bank individual bank accounts. Like I pay my two oldest sons because they do work for me.

00:27:13.460 And not only are they earning money, uh, but I'm also getting a tax write-off, which is nice.

00:27:19.000 Like I'll, I'll take advantage of that. So get an accountant who knows what they're doing. So you

00:27:23.380 can get, you can take advantage of those, those tax laws. Um, yeah, I don't know. I, the answer is,

00:27:29.360 I don't know. I don't know enough about it. Um, but yeah, I'm not going to go like,

00:27:33.780 maybe there's a way for you to take out a small, like $500, you know, credit card or credit limit,

00:27:41.260 but like, here's my thought outside of the financial stuff. I'm repulsed by the doctrine

00:27:48.140 of popular culture, like absolutely repulsed by it. And it's repulsive to me to get a child

00:27:55.220 who has no idea about responsibility, like quite literally does not have the mental capacity

00:28:01.100 to understand it, to get them a credit card, to put them in debt, to enslave them to their

00:28:09.680 own debt and, and interest on top of that before they're 18. What the fuck are we doing?

00:28:16.260 Yeah. That's the doctrine of popular culture.

00:28:19.360 And I'm repulsed by it. I'm disgusted by it. Now, some people will say, well, you know,

00:28:27.220 Ryan, you have to play the game. What if enough of us decided we ain't playing that game anymore?

00:28:34.980 And we said, no, we're playing a different game. One of fiscal responsibility,

00:28:40.480 one of building up income, one of buying only what we can afford,

00:28:45.780 one of understanding how debt works and how millions and hundreds of millions of Americans

00:28:54.700 and people around the planet have become slaves to their debt masters. That's the doctrine of

00:29:02.780 popular culture. That's what everybody tells you to do. That's what the media tells you to do.

00:29:08.460 That's what politicians tell you to do. What if you did the exact opposite? And you said, no,

00:29:14.100 I'm going to save my money and I'm going to drive the junker for a little while. And I'm not going

00:29:20.580 to go buy a brand new house. And I'm not going to compare myself to the elites and the wealthy and

00:29:28.200 the rich. And I'm going to live my life the way that I should. What if we did that instead?

00:29:34.680 And what if hundreds of millions of people did that? I mean, you want to talk about a problem,

00:29:40.540 talk about a problem with the deficit in this nation. Talk about how we're beholden to China,

00:29:49.140 how much debt of ours they own. Talk about how beholden we are to Russia on our barrels of oil.

00:29:57.440 And all of you people are complaining about gas being four or five or $6 a gallon.

00:30:02.800 Well, you're complaining about that because you were complicit and importing hundreds of millions

00:30:11.760 of barrels of oil from a tyrannical dictator known as Putin. And you were completely fine with it

00:30:21.240 until your gas prices went up. Get yourself independent. And you don't do that by participating

00:30:29.480 in the charade of the credit system. Plain and simple. Teach your children financial independence.

00:30:39.140 Teach them to make money. Teach them to stay out of debt. Teach them to limit those credit cards.

00:30:45.120 Same thing with the credit card points. So many of you guys, and look, I get it, but so many of you

00:30:51.140 will go out and you'll buy a credit card or get a credit card and you'll say, well, I'm doing it for

00:30:55.260 the points. You know how many of you actually do that? It's probably less than 1%.

00:30:59.720 Actually, using the points is what you're saying?

00:31:03.420 Yeah. Some of you are smart enough and disciplined enough to do that correctly.

00:31:07.580 Yeah.

00:31:08.100 I know some people who are. I'm not one of those people. And I was in the financial planning industry.

00:31:16.320 99% of you, the credit cards or companies are preying upon you. They're preying on you. You are the

00:31:24.300 prey. They are the predator. And you willfully participate in the hunt. Do you remember,

00:31:34.180 wow, what's the movie? It's with Mel Gibson. And there's this Russian, he has a friend who's in

00:31:44.320 you. When you travel, you're like, what are all these movies that I've been watching on the

00:31:48.840 airplane? No, there's this good movie. What is this movie? Holy cow. How can I not remember this?

00:31:53.720 Mel Gibson.

00:31:54.200 Mel Gibson. And he has an Indian friend and the Indian's like, hey, this Russian wants to hunt

00:32:01.740 you. And so you're going to dress up as an Indian, an old decrepit Indian, and he's going to try to

00:32:08.760 shoot you. And the Indian collects money from the Russian guy. And then he's like, and he gives Mel

00:32:14.920 Gibson half of it. What is that movie? This is in the planes. Oh, it's Maverick. It's Maverick.

00:32:22.500 Is it Maverick? Yeah. Yeah. Because he was like gambling on a boat and stuff too. Yeah. You're the

00:32:28.600 fake decrepit Indian. You, the American consumer, that's you. And the Russian is preying on you.

00:32:36.400 The Chinese are preying on you. Hell, your own people are preying on you. That's you. And then

00:32:43.380 you're like, well, how do I, how do I play in this game? You don't play the game. Yeah. That's

00:32:49.920 the answer. You don't do it. You don't play the game. And then you become so financially independent

00:32:57.160 that when your kid comes to you and says, dad, I want to buy this truck, you become the bank.

00:33:02.740 All right, son, you need 10,000 to buy that truck. I'll give you 10,000 at 5% interest.

00:33:10.460 You're going to pay me every month. You miss two months in a row. I take your truck and I sell it.

00:33:15.500 And you become the bank. You become the patriarch of your family. And you get out of this bullshit

00:33:21.480 that society is telling you to do. Your friend is setting you up. The Russian is trying to kill you

00:33:28.420 and you willfully play the game. Yeah. What is wrong with us? Damn.

00:33:36.420 Give me fired up ratification. It is. Now we should be fair. I mean, Matt's not suggesting

00:33:43.200 any of that, like, but maybe we can paraphrase for Matt here is, yeah. Is there some strategy

00:33:49.320 to build your kids credit for sure? But what's the most important thing? Teaching your kid not to get in

00:33:53.920 debt and be disciplined in regards to what they want and not playing the game. Is that a good fair

00:34:00.340 summary for Matt? That was nice. That was nice. Good cop, bad cop. All right. Jason Curtis,

00:34:08.280 what's your advice on scaling a small seasonal business? I'm trying to offer more to customers

00:34:14.120 with limited space. Depends on the business. Yeah. I, you know what the other, I have to say this,

00:34:21.480 you know, you're alluding to the quality of the question you ask. Right. And that's fair, right?

00:34:26.220 Like that allows you to answer the question better. But what it also does is it forces me to identify

00:34:34.140 what I'm seeking advice for. Right. If, if I go vague with you and say, Hey Ryan, how do I,

00:34:41.940 or even let's use your promotion idea, right? Hey Ryan boss, I want a promotion, a promotion. Like

00:34:48.480 that means I haven't thought through this. What promotion, what am I interested in? What are my

00:34:54.380 skills and where do they align in whatever I'm seeking? Right. So by asking a good question,

00:35:00.160 it also means that we're being intentional and we've worked this out a little bit. So our question

00:35:05.540 can be very specific and, and valuable. And then we get also a better response in the same,

00:35:11.500 in the same breath. So, well, so let's do this because I do want to answer the question

00:35:16.640 to the best of my ability, but let me hit on this first. Cause we've addressed this and I wrote this

00:35:22.500 down. What makes a good question? What, what critical components make a great, in fact, there's,

00:35:30.300 there's a great scenario right there. What makes a great question versus what three factors make a

00:35:37.820 powerful question? You see the difference? Like one's broad, one's more specific. Oh, he wants three

00:35:43.540 answers on what makes a good question. That's a better question than the previous one I just asked.

00:35:48.900 So what three components go into making a powerful question? And actually we can go deeper. What makes

00:35:55.620 a powerful question? One that you get a good, powerful answer to. Yeah. Something you could

00:36:01.480 actually implement. So what three components? Well, number one, I would say that it needs to be specific.

00:36:07.200 It needs to be as specific as possible, right? The more specific, Hey, what, what would you recommend

00:36:15.000 to a seasonal job? I don't know. Are you talking about a lawnmower? Are you taught being, you know,

00:36:20.500 like a, like a landscaper? Are you talking about running a ski resort? Like, I don't, I don't know.

00:36:28.660 Are you talking about a travel agency? I don't, I don't know what you're talking about. And all three of

00:36:32.720 those would have different strategies. Yeah, exactly. And to be frank, like it's a different

00:36:36.700 answer depending on the seasonal business. It really is a different answer. Yeah. Yeah. So

00:36:41.880 number one specific. Okay. What else makes a powerful question is number two is you can actually

00:36:51.660 get an answer to it. You know, a lot of people ask rhetorical questions and, or just broad,

00:36:58.580 general vague questions and they'll do it to sound smart. You know, like asking a question

00:37:04.340 doesn't make you sound smart. In fact, you guys have all been in scenarios where people ask dumb

00:37:10.760 questions. You're like, Oh my God, we had a guy in the military and I've told you this. I think

00:37:18.320 I have. Yeah. But the share again, I mean, you know, not everyone listens to every episode.

00:37:23.340 I don't want to like throw this guy under the bus. So I'll save some, some names here,

00:37:27.220 but whenever we did like a safety briefing or, or some sort of, you know, seminar in the military

00:37:34.940 at the end, you know, everybody says, does anybody have any questions? And there's always one guy

00:37:41.200 who everybody else is like, no, I'm done. Like, I just want to go clear. Yeah. We get it. I,

00:37:46.940 I, I just want to go on leave. Like, I don't need the STD discussion. I just want to go on leave.

00:37:54.640 And there's always one a-hole who's like, well, you know, actually I would like to ask this question.

00:38:01.940 And we called him DQD. Dumb question. And I'll leave out his last name.

00:38:07.980 I started with a D dumb question. D Dick, because he would ask dumb questions. It's like, what,

00:38:16.420 like, why are you asking that question? Like, Hey, just answered it two minutes ago. Are you,

00:38:21.520 and most people are asking the question to sound smart. That's why they're asking the question,

00:38:26.700 like ask a relevant question. So it's gotta be specific and it's gotta be relevant. And then third,

00:38:32.640 it's gotta actually point you in the right direction. You know, it's, it's, it's gotta

00:38:38.720 move the needle into something that's important to you. Something that is crucial. If you're asking

00:38:44.940 me like, Hey Ryan, what do you like better diet Coke or diet Pepsi? I don't give a shit about either.

00:38:53.640 Okay. That's not going to move the needle in the right direction. It doesn't matter. It's a dumb

00:39:00.560 question. How's that going to improve your life? The other one people ask me all the time. And I

00:39:06.580 don't even understand the reference. It's some movie. And they say, when we do these, ask me

00:39:10.720 things, would you rather fight 100 horse-sized ducks or duck-sized horses? I'm like, what is wrong

00:39:18.620 with you guys? Like, I get you're being funny. Like I get it. I don't, I'm not a funny guy. I don't

00:39:24.020 know what movie that's it's on some movie or something about what's the direction of a

00:39:29.160 laden swallow or something. I don't, I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:39:33.960 I looked this up at one point. I can't remember.

00:39:37.020 I don't get what you're talking about. It's on some movie. I don't care. I don't care.

00:39:42.020 And you shouldn't either. You should, you should care about things that are like,

00:39:47.340 if you're being funny, I get it. You know, like I can be funny occasionally, not very often,

00:39:51.420 but occasionally, but like ask a real question. Okay. So that's what makes a good question.

00:39:59.280 What was the question?

00:40:01.260 The question was, what's your advice on scaling a small business?

00:40:06.020 So here's what I would say. And you might say, well, that's a dumb answer.

00:40:09.220 Right. Right. Cause I don't have the specifics. So here's what I'd say. Learn how to use social media.

00:40:16.060 Yeah. Like the better you can get at social media, the better off you're going to be. And so many

00:40:21.400 people complain about social media and, and, you know, it's like, oh, it's horrible. And they,

00:40:26.920 they censor it. And I talk about that. Um, you know, but also social media is free and it's a

00:40:32.620 powerful tool. And we wouldn't be having these conversations if we didn't know how to do that.

00:40:36.960 So that's number one, number two, learn how to take it above and beyond. Everybody will offer

00:40:43.120 bare minimum service. Yeah. And, and they'll think that, oh, if I just offer the bare minimum,

00:40:48.480 what Joe Schmo down the street offers, then I'll be competitive. Maybe, but what if you took it 10

00:40:53.660 or 20 or 50 or a hundred percent further than everybody would come to you? Okay. So we have

00:41:00.240 use social media. We have take it further than what they expect. And that basically, if I were to strip

00:41:05.840 all that away, it's to exceed customer expectations. Yeah. Wow. Factor. Yeah. Yep.

00:41:12.660 And then number three is I would say is be different. This is the hardest selling proposition.

00:41:18.780 Yeah. This is the hardest one. Because if I were to ask, if I pulled out 10 random entrepreneurs

00:41:25.400 out of the Facebook group, for example, and I'd said, tell me why you're different than your

00:41:30.040 competitor. All of them would say they're different. And then from the average consumer,

00:41:34.420 the layman, I would say that sounds like what everybody else just said. So kill your,

00:41:41.980 this is, this is the term I use, kill your sacred cow. Like my, so I'll give you an example.

00:41:47.860 My sacred cow is the podcast, right? Like I think I'm the best podcast in the world.

00:41:54.240 Like I believe that. I think I'm good at it. Where I struggle, I work to shore it up. We bring on

00:42:01.020 great guests. The conversations are relevant. It's the discussions we're having are more important

00:42:06.740 than any other podcast in the world. I, I honestly believe that, but if I detach from it for a second,

00:42:15.360 I have to assume that most of the podcasts out there would say the exact same thing.

00:42:24.040 Joe Rogan would say his podcast is the best. Jocko would say his podcast is the best. Andy,

00:42:30.260 because I know Andy for Silla with a relay F would say his podcast is the best.

00:42:35.220 Is it, is mine the best? I don't know. Like I really don't. So what I have to do is I have to

00:42:44.600 actually make myself different. I have to actually say something different. I have to actually do

00:42:51.660 something completely different than what's ever done before. And that takes money. And that takes

00:42:56.960 capital with, with the Tebow episode that we did last week. A lot of you guys listen to that.

00:43:02.380 In fact, the most amount of people we've ever had ever in seven years of podcasting,

00:43:08.020 listen to that episode. Well, I spent a lot of money and a lot of time in Brandy made a lot of

00:43:16.380 investment and poured a lot of energy into making sure that episode happened. I could have done a

00:43:21.360 video with him. No problem. No problem. Instead, I flew me and my team to New York. We rented

00:43:32.000 camera equipment that we needed that we didn't have. I spent extra money on making sure my editing team

00:43:38.680 had the tools and resources they needed to put out video content. They needed, we wanted to make it

00:43:44.840 different and we actually had to do something different. So you have to look at it objectively.

00:43:49.260 It's hard. When you look at it, you think, Oh my gosh, I poured so much time and energy

00:43:54.360 energy. And you have, and what you believe is you've done more than anybody else. And you haven't,

00:43:59.940 you haven't rarely has that happened. So I had a bunch of people reach out after that episode and

00:44:06.740 they said, Oh man, this was the best episode you ever did. And Oh man, it's like the camera

00:44:11.580 production and what you guys did and how you set it up. Right. It's different. It's unique. It's,

00:44:17.600 it's, it's something you've never seen before. Actually, you want a great movie on this

00:44:22.060 is, um, the greatest show, man. Have you seen that kit? Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorite

00:44:29.820 movies. Yeah. I love that movie. It's with Hugh Jackman and, um, um, Zach Efron, Zach Efron,

00:44:38.820 I think his name and that Zen Zen date Zendaya or Zendaya or whatever her name is. Uh, I think she was

00:44:45.640 on maybe Spider-Man, the new Spider-Man is her. It's a, it's a great, it's got a good cast.

00:44:50.940 The movie is so good. Hugh Jackman is just an incredibly, incredibly talented person. Like I

00:44:57.980 actually really admire and respect him as an incredibly talented individual. Um, but go watch

00:45:04.980 that movie. Like he created something that had as his character, that is, that has never been created

00:45:12.820 before. He didn't regurgitate what somebody else did. He created something entirely different.

00:45:20.160 And that's what we're talking about here. Yeah. Create something the world has never seen before

00:45:26.460 and they can't help, but take their eyes off of you. Yeah. And sometimes that creativeness is found

00:45:33.480 in the gaps of what you were alluding to earlier. What are the gaps? Sometimes that's your unique

00:45:38.720 selling proposition as well. Well, so here's an example of this, Kip. So when I started in 2015,

00:45:45.060 one of my early inspirations was Brett McKay with Art of Manliness. And I wanted to create

00:45:53.600 Art of Manliness 2.0. Yeah. And what I realized is I can't out Brett, Brett.

00:46:01.580 I can't out Art of Manliness, Art of Manliness. I can't. Not only does he have a huge head start,

00:46:07.220 but he's uniquely qualified to do that. Now, as I've studied and researched and seen what he's

00:46:13.080 done, he's way more thoughtful than I am. He's way more analytical than I am. He's way more

00:46:19.620 organized. He's probably significantly more humble than I am based on what I know. And it ain't me

00:46:25.380 at all. And so I, fortunately I learned this very early on and I realized I can't out Brett, Brett.

00:46:32.560 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to create something entirely different. And I decided that

00:46:37.880 instead of just putting a bunch of content out into the world, the model I was going to use was

00:46:43.780 to help bridge the gap for men between what they know, all of this information that Brett and others

00:46:48.820 had to share and what they actually do. Because if I told you, Hey, how do you lose weight? Every single

00:46:55.400 person would pretty much get it right. Well, you got to eat a little better and you got to move a

00:46:59.400 little more or a variation of thereof. That's what everybody would say. And that's accurate.

00:47:04.780 Well, why do we have so many fat asses in the country? If I said to you, how do you get out of

00:47:10.320 debt? Well, you should increase your income. You should track your expenses and your income,

00:47:15.080 and you should stop spending so much money on stupid things. Right. Everybody understands that.

00:47:20.760 Why do we have hundreds of millions of people who are broke? Because they don't do it.

00:47:25.500 And so I made the decision in spite of what I saw out there that it was already available between

00:47:30.560 what Brett was doing and other magazines and outlets. I said, okay, I'm going to bridge the

00:47:36.340 gap between what we know, what we do. And we created the iron council very early on,

00:47:39.940 which was a brotherhood, the camaraderie, the accountability, the plans, the checkpoints to

00:47:45.920 move from knowledge to application, from information to wisdom, application of said information.

00:47:51.480 On the court. Right. Guess who's starting other membership programs and membership site? All

00:48:00.400 these other people I was inspired by. That's fine. I have no problem with that. They're trying to out

00:48:05.300 Ryan, Ryan. They're trying to out order of man, order of man. They cannot do it because I'm ahead of

00:48:13.820 the ball on this. I figured it out. And so they're playing catch up. They shouldn't be playing catch up.

00:48:24.140 What they should actually be doing is running a different race. That's what I did. And that's what

00:48:30.020 long story short for this question here, run a different race. I don't know what your race is

00:48:35.560 because you weren't very specific on that, what that is, but whatever it is, run a different race.

00:48:40.740 There's a great book called Blue Ocean Strategy. I don't know who it's by, but Blue Ocean Strategy.

00:48:46.640 Cirque du Soleil was a case study of that. And if you look at what Cirque du Soleil did,

00:48:54.040 I don't know, maybe late nineties, early two thousands. I don't exactly know when they came

00:48:57.780 out, but if you look at what they did when they came out is they took a, so here's the premise of

00:49:03.640 the book. Blue Ocean Strategy is uncontested market space. So the red ocean is like, Hey, I'm a

00:49:09.440 landscaper. And so I'm just going to go compete with the other landscapers. Well, there's 40 other

00:49:13.740 landscapers in your neighborhood. That's red ocean, right? You're all just competing over the same

00:49:18.700 fish and it's just a red ocean. It's bloody. It's nasty. It's dirty. Blue Ocean is uncontested

00:49:24.200 market space. So Cirque du Soleil came in and they said, all right, well, look, we have theater and we

00:49:30.260 have performance and that's the red ocean, right? There's Broadway and there's other plays and other

00:49:38.480 programs. And then we have the circus and that's red ocean. And so that's contested market space.

00:49:44.800 What we're going to do is we're going to combine circus with theater, uncontested market space,

00:49:53.360 blue ocean. So now Cirque du Soleil was born. And of course, now you have other people. So it's become

00:50:00.360 more of a red ocean at this point, but they took two entirely different components and they merged

00:50:06.880 them together to create something the world has never seen. I did this in my financial planning

00:50:10.540 practice. All the old timers were like, well, you know, here's how you market and here's how you

00:50:15.320 refer and here's how you do this. And I said, screw you. I'm going to start a podcast. What's a podcast?

00:50:21.880 They'd say with their belly hanging out in their hair balding in their chair, a little higher than

00:50:27.700 their client to make them feel more important than they are. Oh, that's stupid. A podcast is like

00:50:32.160 nobody would ever listen to that. And I started a podcast and I started to blow these guys out of

00:50:38.340 the water because I was an uncontested market space. And I let the, all the old timers, all the old

00:50:44.940 has-beens sharks fight over the same clients while I was over here doing my thing. And here we are

00:50:51.820 seven, eight years later, creating something the world has never seen before. That's the blue ocean

00:50:58.860 you need to be involved in. Christopher Jones. And also I would say this, sorry, Kip. I would also say

00:51:05.580 this. When all the old timers come to you and say, hey, Ryan, how are you doing this? Can you please

00:51:11.360 show me how you do this? That's a nice feeling. That's a really nice feeling. And you know, we'd be

00:51:19.380 gracious and we do, right? We do show them, but it is a nice feeling. I got to admit.

00:51:28.240 All right. Christopher Jones, how, how often do you train firearms and what style of training do you

00:51:33.320 prefer? Run and gun fundamentals on paper, et cetera. Um, I don't, I don't train. Yeah. I don't train with

00:51:41.440 firearms as much as I would like. I mean, we go out and we shoot our pistols, we shoot our rifles,

00:51:46.740 um, not running guns so much, but for the most part, it's, it's accuracy. It's, it's long range,

00:51:54.140 the rifle training, things like that. Admittedly, I could do better on that. And I should, I've got a

00:51:59.760 friend here who's, who went and did some courses. He just invited me to a course and I couldn't make

00:52:04.820 it because I had some conflicting schedules, but I said, let me know when the next one is because

00:52:08.560 admittedly, this is, this is an area that I definitely need to develop some proficiency with.

00:52:13.800 So I, I, I wish I could give you a better answer of all the terminology and stuff like that. Um,

00:52:19.900 but I mean, there's great schools out there, you know, and, and, um, I've been to some training and

00:52:25.320 done some things here and there, but I'm not the guy to ask on that. I wish I could get a better

00:52:30.160 answer. I can't frankly, how about you? Do you have a better answer? No, I mean, I don't as much as I,

00:52:35.820 as I should, I know I should. And, and I, um, I mean, in fact, the last time I went, uh,

00:52:41.420 shooting, it was with, uh, a cousin of mine and he's like special forces. Right. And so his version

00:52:47.320 of let's go to the range is like transitions between weapons. And you know what I mean? I'm

00:52:52.840 thinking I should do this stuff more often. This is so fun, but, um, yeah, I, I need to step up my

00:52:58.820 game. Those guys in Utah, who's the, um, who's Tim is a Tim Grover that has the, uh, survival field

00:53:06.760 tactics. No, I think you're talking about Mike. Tim is, um, that's right. Mike Grover with Jordan.

00:53:14.860 Yeah. Mike with field survival. Yeah. They have a presence here in Utah now. And I've been wanting

00:53:21.860 to kind of make that a priority and get up there and train, but yeah, I have the same answer. I mean,

00:53:28.480 I should do more. Yeah. The last time I trained, like actually really got after it. I spent some time

00:53:35.400 just, it was like a couple of years ago with border patrol. And I actually went through their

00:53:40.780 qualifications course. So I spent in time with them and they said, Hey, we're next week. We have

00:53:45.200 our qualifications course. So we need to train. Do you want to train with us? I'm like, yeah,

00:53:48.520 I'd love to. And, and they said, well, let's see if you can qualify for your firearms. I'm like,

00:53:54.220 yeah, great. Like I'd love to do that. So I barely made it with the pistol. I barely,

00:54:01.640 like barely qualified with the pistol. And I beat all of them with the rifle, which was cool

00:54:07.460 because they're like, what? Like I beat every single one of them with a rifle,

00:54:11.300 barely qualified with a pistol. Yeah. I need to do that. That's funny. For sure. Yeah.

00:54:16.420 All right. Uh, Luke Jansen, a little bit of, uh, I don't know, a little bit of insight here.

00:54:21.480 So what are your thoughts on plant medicine, particularly when an induced dream inspired

00:54:27.400 a family member to break up shortly after a birth of a child? So a little bit of a history for,

00:54:33.480 for the question, but what are your thoughts? I'm not, I'm not like well-versed enough in

00:54:39.540 like when I hear plant medicine, the guy that comes to mind is, um, um, Aubrey Marcus. Yeah,

00:54:47.140 totally. And I think of like ayahuasca and bohemian, like earthly remedies. I don't, that's not me at all.

00:55:00.580 Does it work? I don't know. Maybe. Sure. Yeah. I think, look, there's pro there's some validity to

00:55:07.180 it. I mean, I'm, I believe in God. I believe that we have the things that we have, although there are

00:55:13.940 poisons and dangerous animals and venomous snakes, you know, that you got to be aware of. Like,

00:55:19.260 there's also some things here that we could probably use to help unlock new sides of our,

00:55:27.620 our brain and new performance. That ain't me at all. So I don't know. I hear what I hear when I

00:55:35.480 hear plant medicine is hippie. Oh, you're a hippie. Got it. You're a hippie. Cool. You got your

00:55:40.140 stereotype. Yeah. And if that works and you want to, I don't, what do you, do you even,

00:55:45.380 I don't know if you drink or smoke. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I have no

00:55:51.100 idea. The, the only thought I have about this is I can't, uh, how's this when I, when I think about

00:55:59.840 this or I have conversations around this, I always have to ask myself is, is, is the benefit that

00:56:07.500 you're getting in this particular example from plant medicine, is it possible to accomplish that

00:56:12.960 in another means? And is the plant medicine just a shortcut to something that if I did the harder

00:56:19.780 route, I'd be better off doing. Does it make sense? So like, and I, and I just use that as a

00:56:28.060 measuring stick, right. Oh, of trying to like, is it good for me? Is it not good for me? Is it a form

00:56:33.280 of a shortcut to something that I could achieve a harder way, but that harder way actually develops

00:56:39.120 me as a person? You know what I mean? And I've become a better person because of it. So those

00:56:44.180 are just thoughts that I have around it. So here's what, look, I agree with you. Um,

00:56:49.720 and here's what I would say. I think there's doing work and trying to find avenues to do

00:56:54.260 soul searching, to do, you know, meditation, mind work, all that kind of stuff.

00:56:59.440 Dreams. You're talking about interpreting, interpreting dreams. And I also think there's

00:57:05.140 wanting to get high and drunk. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. There's the abuse side of it. Yeah.

00:57:12.380 Yeah. So if you want to get high, like go get high, like go, go, you know, smoke some weed or

00:57:19.180 whatever. Cool. Like, you don't need to tell me it's some special plant healing medicine or whatever

00:57:26.440 and I'm not saying that's who's the guy's asking people use that as an excuse is what you're

00:57:31.420 totally. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. If you want to just get high and drunk and go to burning

00:57:35.620 man and like meet with cool people and have sex with, you know, men and women or whatever else you

00:57:41.800 do it, like burning man, like go do that. Like, I don't, whatever. That's fine. Like go do that.

00:57:49.640 Yeah. I don't care. It doesn't impact it. Right. Don't, don't, don't go like, oh, you know,

00:57:54.960 it, it, uh, it helps you spiritually. You're like, whatever, dude, you just wanted to get high.

00:58:00.900 And that's cool. Like go get high. It's cool. Like, you know, that's like, I don't like Snoop

00:58:06.320 dog. Somebody I think of, he's like, nah, I get high. Like this. I'm like, at least the man owns it.

00:58:10.060 You know, he's like, I'm not trying on some spiritual trip. I just like to get screwed up. It's like,

00:58:14.460 cool. I can respect that. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I'm maybe just more of a pragmatic,

00:58:21.280 you know, but here's one thing that's interesting. I listened to guys like Aubrey Marcus and even Joe

00:58:28.200 Rogan and these guys who do the ayahuasca stuff. Yep. And if you listen to them and you listen to

00:58:35.940 the verbiage, they say, I had a spiritual moment. I talked with mother earth, right? I, I, I communed

00:58:49.800 with, with the, the muse. Oh, so God, you believe in God. Oh no, not God. No, it's not God.

00:58:57.980 It's abuse. It's mother earth. Yeah. It's God. It's God. We're all using, we're, we're all having

00:59:08.200 the same experiences. You just don't want to call it God because you hate religion, which I actually

00:59:13.460 understand. Like there's a lot to be said against religion. I get it. But when, when, when Aubrey

00:59:21.460 Marcus or Joe Rogan says, Oh yeah, mother earth, nature, the universe, you could basically just say

00:59:29.060 God, cause that's what all the Christian folk are saying. And everybody's having the same experience.

00:59:37.360 Some people just aren't willing to admit what experience they're having. That's all I'm going to

00:59:43.060 say. Yeah. All right. Jake, is that wrong? Like I'm curious about, like, I've been thinking about

00:59:50.600 that for a long time. Like these guys talk about the universe or the muse or mother earth or mother

00:59:56.120 nature, the spiritual awakening. It's like, I would actually say the same thing you just said.

01:00:01.980 I might use a little bit different language, but the experience you just shared is actually very

01:00:06.880 similar to the experience I had at church on Sunday. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think it's bad.

01:00:13.260 How's this? I think sometimes it's genuine where people might say, well, I don't call it God

01:00:19.100 because I think it's this, but, but I do think it's important for us to realize that there,

01:00:25.080 there are things that transcend religions with language is an attempt of human to give definition

01:00:32.360 and meaning to something. Right. And, and things get lost in translation and everything else. Right.

01:00:38.140 I was having this great conversation with some family members a couple of weeks ago about the five

01:00:43.000 agreements, that book and the fourth agreement. And at one point it was funny because my brother-in-law

01:00:48.420 said something to the extent of like, uh, like some point that I think he made in the book about,

01:00:56.140 uh, who you are is who you are kind of like, I am, it's just, I am right. And I'm like, Oh,

01:01:01.800 very similar to what, what God said to Moses on Mount Sinai. Right. And he's like, what God said?

01:01:09.400 Yeah. Yeah. But my point being is like, yeah. And the Hebrew translation of what he said is I create,

01:01:16.120 what I create. I am who I am. Like it's very powerful statement. Right. Especially the Hebrew,

01:01:22.180 Hebrew version of that. And here we are going, well, no, no, that's not a God thing. And it's like,

01:01:26.340 well, you know, God said that too. Right. And so I think we just need to be open to realize that

01:01:33.760 people don't interpret things, different things. And a lot of the time, I think old truth is,

01:01:40.760 is explained in different languages and it's the same thing. Right. I mean, how often is, you know,

01:01:49.320 God represents a number of different things in different religions and different cultures. And

01:01:54.840 it was, that's the word we used to explain it versus other words. You, you said it very nicely.

01:02:02.120 And, and you, you like, you explained it and you offered great, here's what I would say.

01:02:07.700 The hippies and the religious people like me all believe the same shit and we just call it different

01:02:13.000 things. Yeah. I really do think so. I think most of us actually believe the same thing. We just use

01:02:18.040 different words. We do because it's undeniable. Like there's a spiritual plane that we can't explain.

01:02:26.000 Like there's something going on that we can't explain. And I'm not here to tell you that I

01:02:32.780 have it all figured out. I don't. Every night when I pray to God, I'm like, what in the world

01:02:38.000 is happening? Like what, like, what are you telling me to do? That's crazy. Or like what? I don't

01:02:45.500 understand about what's going on in the world. Like, like this is so confusing. I don't get it.

01:02:50.820 Like, what are you telling me to do? What do you want me to do? I will do it. But like,

01:02:56.440 I have some questions about it. Yeah. And, and all those people, when we're talking about plant

01:03:02.260 medicine, I think they're searching for the same questions. Like I'm confused. I'm lost.

01:03:08.620 Life isn't what I think it should be. I think I'm capable of more. I want to unlock a new part of me.

01:03:14.860 I want to serve people. I want to guide. I want to lead. I want to feel good about myself.

01:03:19.660 And so like, if I need to do ayahuasca or plant medicine to tap into something that's going to

01:03:25.640 help me find these answers, then man, so be it. But we're all looking for the same answer. Why am

01:03:32.280 I here? And what am I doing? And what do you want me to do? And I'll do it. Just help me understand

01:03:38.480 what it is. Yeah. And it's, and I think it's, it's naive of anyone to come to that table and go,

01:03:46.480 no, no, no, no, Ryan. No, no. My thing's different. You know what I mean? It's like,

01:03:49.900 no, dude, you don't understand. Right. Like it, we're meaning lives in language. And, and so often

01:03:57.220 we're just used in different language and different words to explain or an attempt of a human to explain

01:04:02.740 this same thing. Yeah. And, um, well, I don't know, one of my power in understanding and seeing

01:04:08.160 that other perspective through that other language, I think too.

01:04:10.580 One of my good friends is Jack Donovan, you know, and, and Jack is pagan, you know? And so

01:04:17.940 we made a joke. It was me and, and, and Tanner, I think went to a, an ax throwing bar one time a

01:04:24.840 couple of years ago with Jack. And it was like, the joke was, you know, two skinny Mormons walk in

01:04:29.480 with a Jack pagan. And that was the joke, but you know, and so many people I've had, I've heard people

01:04:36.820 say, well, I can't believe you'd be friends with Jack because here's what he believes.

01:04:41.180 I don't think Jack and I are that far apart actually. Yeah. Like he believed he's got a

01:04:47.440 spiritual element to him. He's very thoughtful. He's way more thoughtful than I am for sure.

01:04:52.600 He's thinking about life, not just in this realm, but eternity. And I'm like, man, that's a, yeah,

01:04:59.040 I believe that, you know, not the way you're saying it, but I believe there's something there.

01:05:04.000 And there's a lot more connection than we give ourselves credit for or give other people credit

01:05:08.780 for, I think too. Yeah, for sure. All right. Last question. Jacob Pinion, what are your thoughts

01:05:16.460 on active rest versus rest? I work out Monday, Wednesday, Friday morning, and I do, uh,

01:05:22.780 Bajitsu, Bajitsu, Bajitsu. Let's do some Bajitsu. We're making our no, a new version here. I do BJJ.

01:05:29.380 Those nights down, actually Bajitsu. That's her. I wrote that down.

01:05:34.000 I'm trying to figure out what, what, what martial art, how do we, how do we run with

01:05:38.980 Bajitsu? Well, we'll flesh that out. Bajitsu. Thanks for documenting this. And, uh,

01:05:45.580 Oh yeah. He does jujitsu Monday, Wednesday, Friday mornings. No, no, geez. I'm messing this

01:05:51.580 all up. Let me start over. What are your thoughts on active rest versus rest? I work out Monday,

01:05:56.140 Wednesday, and Friday, and I do jujitsu those nights and rest in between, but I feel restless

01:06:02.680 on rest days and I want to do something more. Yeah. Do it. Yeah. I was going to say just go,

01:06:10.100 man. Like, look, look, look, look, look, look. I think you're overthinking, Izzy. This is crazy.

01:06:18.040 You are not meant to sit idly by and watch three hours of Netflix every night. And look, all the,

01:06:24.880 all the health guys are like burning up inside. They're listening. It's like, man,

01:06:28.500 you got to work out three times a week, an hour and 45 minutes each and burn these many calories.

01:06:34.340 No, bro. You need to work out seven days a week.

01:06:39.900 That's it. Now look, I, Sunday is typically a day off for me, right? We're talking about

01:06:46.160 spirituality. That's a belief I have. And so like, am I going to go bust my, am I going to go

01:06:50.040 roll jujitsu? Am I gonna go to the gym? No, I'm not. But am I going to go on a walk with my family?

01:06:54.740 You're dang right. I am. Am I going to, am I going to sit there if we're watching a movie and

01:06:58.900 do some pushups here and there and some sit-ups or some air squats or challenge one of my kids to

01:07:03.820 something or, you know, get out the, the, the bands and like, yeah, of course I'm going to do,

01:07:09.020 or we have, we have, um, war clubs. In fact, I'll show you one. Hold on one second. Okay.

01:07:15.560 So my origin, by the way, no, these, these ones aren't, these are origins. I've got this one right

01:07:20.360 here. Okay. My origin ones are downstairs because they're right. They're in the living room.

01:07:26.060 I've got kettlebells. I've got the, the origin war clubs, which are cool because you can screw on the,

01:07:31.140 the caps or whatever, and you can add a weight to them. But like, I've got this. And when I get done

01:07:36.300 with this podcast, I've got another podcast after this, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to swing

01:07:40.640 this around and I'm going to loosen up my shoulders because my shoulders are always tight. And I'm going to

01:07:45.560 do some air squats and I'm going to move because we're designed to move. So move, you know, like

01:07:54.420 if, so I think what are you saying is he does jujitsu Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Is that what

01:07:58.620 he said? So he's working out the Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then he does jujitsu on those nights.

01:08:05.860 So here is, let me just tell you my schedule. He's pulling two a days between lifting and,

01:08:09.940 and jits, but I think, I think seven days a week is better than two a days.

01:08:15.560 I think if you can move away from two a days and move to seven days a week, I think that would be

01:08:19.660 better for you personally. Like the fitness guys can debate me on that, but you're going to get

01:08:25.160 more rest and recovery if you do it that way. Okay. Yeah. And I think our bodies adjust a little

01:08:30.160 bit, right? Like I work at least six days a week and I train, like I don't train and go, Oh,

01:08:36.540 trains my, my workout. Like that's just like added cardio on those days. You know what I mean? And I

01:08:43.380 don't feel like, Oh, I'm, I'm doing too much, you know? So, I mean, I think it's unique to your body,

01:08:47.860 right? How you feel a little bit, but, um, I don't know.

01:08:51.540 Well, so what do you think about this? I don't, I actually don't leave training,

01:08:55.400 like training jujitsu specifically. I don't leave exhausted.

01:09:00.320 I leave exhausted. Usually I'm destroyed. Yeah. Usually.

01:09:05.500 I mean, maybe I'm tired, but I feel mentally, I feel uplifted. So maybe it doesn't

01:09:11.020 hurt as much or something. I mean, I'm physically like I'm sore. Cause the way that we run our

01:09:16.900 jujitsu is we go in and we stretch out a little bit and then we roll for at least an hour, like

01:09:25.020 hard. You're not feeling burned out after open that for, for an hour, because that's one thing

01:09:31.240 I've been focused on is like, how do I do this without getting gassed? Got it. And then what I

01:09:37.340 realized, so then after our open mat, we do about a half an hour of instruction afterwards and

01:09:43.060 afterwards. So we'll do some technique and we'll, we'll, we'll do some drilling and we'll work through

01:09:48.620 some moves and technique, that sort of thing. And that's where I start to lock up a little bit.

01:09:52.680 And when I'm done, I'm locked up like my knees, my hips, my lower back is locked up. And so I need to

01:09:58.600 move again and stretch it out. But then I drive home and I'm like, no, I, I actually feel really

01:10:04.620 good, but that might be a mental thing because physically I am tired, but mentally I'm, I feel

01:10:11.300 the same way. I feel great mentally, but usually like, you know, I'm like drenched and I'm, you know,

01:10:19.500 I don't even want to get my car. Cause I'm going to stink it up. Cause I'm still sweating so bad

01:10:23.820 after training. Yeah. But like, I'm the same way, but I like that. Like, I'm like, Oh yeah,

01:10:29.480 I'm drenched. I like my body. But I take pride in that. Yeah. I think we're, we're probably close

01:10:37.060 on that. Anyways. Yeah. So here's, here's, here's what I do. Let me know, not even that,

01:10:42.680 because what feels right is to not go at all. Yeah. Good point. Good point. You've trained yourself

01:10:51.080 over what 12 years or whatever it is of, of like, no, this is right. Yeah. Yeah. It's like

01:10:58.380 brushing your teeth. You know, I don't know that that's a natural thing. Like, I don't know if our

01:11:06.280 early ancestors had great white, beautiful teeth, but we've trained ourselves to brush our teeth

01:11:13.000 because it's, you know, it's good to have teeth so you can chew the meat that you eat, you know?

01:11:17.280 Um, it's like, I don't know if it's natural. And in fact, I'll a hundred percent. It's not natural.

01:11:26.160 Yeah. I'll tell you what. You're right. I mean, the natural man is not going to do it. Yeah.

01:11:30.220 A hundred percent because our early ancestors, what were they, what did they do? Like if you strip

01:11:35.440 everything else away, preserve, preserve energy. So you have energy when you go hunt. Yeah.

01:11:40.920 That's it. That's it. And you try to make hunting as easy as possible because if you had to get

01:11:48.800 yourself killed to get a pig, like it wasn't worth it. Yeah. So a hundred percent, the natural man is

01:11:55.500 like, don't do that. Rob Wolf talked about, we did a podcast together maybe about a year ago. And he

01:12:02.040 said, no, we're, we're wired to be fat and lazy. You actually have to actively fight against that.

01:12:10.200 Anyways, here's, here's what I do. So I train Monday and Wednesday evenings.

01:12:16.220 I train Tuesday and Friday mornings. When I say train, I'm talking about jujitsu

01:12:21.040 Tuesday and Friday mornings. And then I do CrossFit on Tuesday and Thursday nights with my family.

01:12:28.220 That's what I have. And then Saturdays are active. So we're sledding or walking or we're hiking or

01:12:37.840 playing. And I wrestled just about every day with my kids. And if we're watching a movie or a TV show,

01:12:45.280 I'm usually doing air squats or pushups or sit-ups or Indian clubs or origin war clubs.

01:12:53.480 As we're doing that, like I'll get up and I'll do 10 swings on each arm, or I'll do 10 front squats

01:12:58.800 with a heavy work club, or I'll do, you know, 10 shoulder presses on each arm with the center mass

01:13:06.220 bells from Sorenex. Like that's what I'm doing. That's what we do. Yeah. So I do push pulling legs

01:13:12.300 twice a week. So I, those are six days a week. And then I train probably three days a week during noon.

01:13:19.060 And then when my kids say, Hey, let's go for a walk. I'm going to rest. I go, leave me alone.

01:13:24.180 I'm tired, but you go. Yeah, no, I'm just laughing though, because you're way more active

01:13:34.260 probably with your family, but I pushed myself too much. I'm like, no, no, I don't, I don't know.

01:13:40.780 I don't believe that. I'd actually don't believe that. I mean, you might say that. Are you being

01:13:45.540 serious? Like, I can't imagine that being you. Like that doesn't sound like you.

01:13:49.820 I'll still, I'll still go for walks and stuff. Go, go a hundred percent. Just be active. Just move.

01:13:56.860 And I actually take a lot from cam Haynes. Like, so, so cam runs like a madman, you know,

01:14:04.340 run like literally a marathon per day. Yeah. I'm not exaggerating literally a marathon per day

01:14:10.680 and people all the time, you know, Oh, you're going to hurt your knees. Are you going to injure

01:14:14.700 yourself? And yeah, maybe that's hard on the joints, but also his body adapts to it. You know,

01:14:21.040 he's an, he's an athlete. He's a, he's a world-class hunter. He's a, he's an ultra endurance athlete

01:14:26.260 and he's conditioned his body to be that way. Now, if I said like, I'm going to go run a marathon a day,

01:14:31.580 it probably wouldn't be prudent or healthy for me to do, but our bodies are better than what we give

01:14:39.020 them credit for. So yeah, if somebody's telling you like, Oh, you just need here, here's how you

01:14:45.600 build the body you want in 20 minutes per day, red flag, red flag, trying to sell you their 30

01:14:52.660 minute ab blasts or whatever. All right. That's all the questions. We actually got through all the

01:14:58.900 questions. Nice. I think we went a little longer today. I got on my soapbox a few times, just a few

01:15:04.880 times. Yeah. It was only just half the podcast about how to ask good questions. So that, and

01:15:11.780 there was something else. What was it? Oh, the spiritual stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, no, it's

01:15:16.880 legit. Right. And yeah, there's a lot of good stuff that you had in there. So it was, it needed to be

01:15:22.480 said. Thank you, Kev. Thank you. You have to say that, you know, on the, on the call today though,

01:15:27.960 we did mention a couple of times, you know, you use the unique, you know, idea of what your unique

01:15:33.400 selling proposition was, was really around iron council, right? Getting on the court in life,

01:15:39.600 taking action, not just throwing content out there because to your point, you know, we say that all

01:15:45.080 the time, people know what they should do, but they don't do it. And you created the iron council in,

01:15:50.760 as part of that process, which has had huge success and it's open currently. This is something

01:15:56.220 that we've changed at the beginning of the year. It's not going to be open all the time. We're going

01:15:59.380 to open this up, um, only on a quarterly basis. And it's currently open now until the end of the

01:16:05.640 month. So if you are tired of being a spectator in the game of life and sitting in the bench and

01:16:12.700 watching other people get after it, and you feel like, uh, joining the team and actually playing

01:16:17.240 the game, uh, you can learn more about the iron council by going to order of man.com slash iron

01:16:22.960 council. And just a reminder, I mean, we're roughly what the 24, uh, you know, this week, next week.

01:16:29.000 So end of next week, this thing's closed. So if you wanted to jump in, uh, you need to take some

01:16:34.660 action. That's right. A lot of you guys have been sitting on the fence about it. Um, check it out,

01:16:40.460 you know, and, and see if it's for you. We've got about 1200 members of the iron council right now.

01:16:44.960 We've been going for seven years. Uh, we've been working all sorts of systems and programs and

01:16:49.880 planners and accountability and tactics. Like I've been through the refiner's fire with all this.

01:16:55.820 And what I can say is that that literally thousands of men at this point have gone through the program,

01:17:00.460 have been members of the iron council and have improved their life. That's what I want for you.

01:17:06.040 Like, I know I get on the soapbox. I know I get off on rants and tangents and things like this,

01:17:11.440 but here's what I want you to know, Kip, you and I, we want the best for men.

01:17:16.060 We want you to feel confident in yourself. We want you to secure promotions. We want you to have

01:17:24.760 a deep and meaningful relationship with your wife. We want you to be connected with your kids.

01:17:30.600 We want you to find meaning and purpose in life. I want you to feel confident with who you are. Like,

01:17:36.840 I don't want you to look in the mirror and feel shitty about yourself or, you know, question why

01:17:42.500 you're here. I don't want you to go through depression. I certainly don't want you to think

01:17:47.660 that the world would be better without you in it. Like, I want you to be an active participant,

01:17:54.220 not only in your life, but the life of your family, the life of your neighbors, your community members,

01:17:59.560 this country, the world. And I honestly believe that each and every one of us have such a crucial

01:18:06.580 role to play. And Kip, I, again, I'm not going to speak for you, but I am just going to kind of

01:18:11.620 represent you. And you can correct me if I'm wrong is we want to be champions for you.

01:18:19.200 Like we, like, I, like we're, we're, we're, we're, we're the mentor. Like this, you're the hero of your

01:18:25.820 journey and we want to help you be that person. That's what I want. Like, I don't want to save you.

01:18:31.260 I want you to help you save yourself and you can, and we're going to give you the tools and the

01:18:36.500 skill sets, um, and the access to other men so that you can do that and be the hero for your wife.

01:18:42.900 Be the, be the father that your kids need you to be, be the kind of neighbor who everybody talks

01:18:48.120 about is being like the man. That's what we want for you. Yeah. And you're needed, not just,

01:18:55.520 you know, for the other men that, that we work with, but you're needed in your family. You're

01:18:59.520 needed with your spouse. You're needed in your community. You're needed in this country.

01:19:03.780 I mean, this isn't just, um, you know, one of the things that I say, and I see, you know, we,

01:19:10.280 we interview battle team leaders all the time. And, and I've come to this realization that there's

01:19:16.760 this natural progression. Guys, guys, sometimes join the iron council for them, right? They, they,

01:19:22.560 you know, I want to join the IC and, and I want to be a better dad. I want to be a better man.

01:19:27.960 I want to be better shape. I, I, I want to get a promotion, whatever. And then there's this

01:19:34.140 transition where they come to this realization that it was never about them. And it was really

01:19:41.180 about everyone else. It was about serving their families better. It was about being the husband

01:19:46.580 that their wife needed. It was about being the man in the neighborhood that the neighborhood needs.

01:19:51.340 And it's far, far greater than I, that I think it's even greater than I realized. Like I, I think

01:19:57.900 Ryan, even you, I don't want to speak for you either, but like sometimes I don't even realize,

01:20:03.140 I think the impact or, or, or the possibility that that is available through me. And I, and I certainly

01:20:10.500 know that a lot of the guys are not present to, to what type of waves and impact they have in this

01:20:17.460 world. Um, and, and hopefully as, as guys rise up with us in the IC, they'd become more present to

01:20:23.920 that and, and they become more servant leaders in that process. Agreed. I was going to say, you know,

01:20:30.700 the only other thing I would say is you, you said that, and this is not a pitch guys, like join us or

01:20:36.840 don't it, you know, I would like you to, to say, I don't care. Isn't, isn't accurate. Like I would

01:20:41.660 like you to, I think it'll serve you, but, but here, what I, here, here's what I would say,

01:20:45.600 whether you join us or do something else, like do it. Um, you said you're needed and, and this

01:20:51.660 isn't going to be popular. What I say, you might not be now. Yeah. Like that, that's, that's the

01:20:58.920 truth. Cause there was a point major, you've made it that way. Yeah. Yeah. Because you've actually

01:21:04.380 become a liability to people, to yourself and people around you. So honestly, you might not be now,

01:21:11.460 but I want you to be needed. Yeah. Like I, I want you to move from asset to, excuse me,

01:21:18.120 from liability to asset because I, that's where our pride comes from. And I'm not saying pride is in

01:21:26.520 like a false sense of inflated ego. I'm saying proud of actually what you've done and what

01:21:31.060 you've accomplished. Chris Rock did a bit and I, and I, yes, fulfillment, meaning purpose,

01:21:36.200 uh, did a bit probably years ago. I saw this the other day and he, and he had said, you know,

01:21:41.180 women are inherently valuable. You know, they're just valuable because they are. And the only time

01:21:47.600 men are valued is, is based on what they produce or the value they add to the environment around them.

01:21:54.020 And he was joking about it and kind of putting that thought down. And I thought he's not wrong.

01:21:59.200 Like he's actually right, but that's not bad. Like I find a deep sense of purpose and satisfaction

01:22:07.020 and being valuable to you guys. I find a deep sense of satisfaction and purpose in being needed

01:22:14.120 and valuable to my family. Like that's where our meaning comes from is making ourselves more capable

01:22:21.140 and more skilled and more competent and producing effective outcomes for ourselves and other people.

01:22:27.840 And as we do, we boost up our own sense of confidence and self-worth and that's not wrong.

01:22:33.500 That's a good system. And it's an, an equation. That's the beautiful, it's just an equation.

01:22:39.860 There's no guesswork in it. We just need to plug into the equation and do it. And then we produce

01:22:44.680 the results that we want for other people. And then we find a sense of meaning in it for ourselves.

01:22:50.040 Totally. All right, guys, that's all we've got. If you are interested, by the way,

01:22:53.900 orderofman.com slash ironcouncil, orderofman.com slash ironcouncil. It'll be open for about a week,

01:23:00.280 week and a half. And I hope to see you there. All right, Kip, appreciate you putting up for me

01:23:04.840 and my attitude over the last couple of weeks. I wasn't mad. I was just fired up today.

01:23:09.540 Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, you may have come across more mad today than you did last week.

01:23:14.760 Oh, I'm not mad. I'm like, yes, I'm fired up. We've got a lot to do.

01:23:19.040 So that's good. All right, guys. Yeah, it is. All right. We'll be back on Friday. Until then,

01:23:24.880 go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:23:28.800 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life

01:23:33.260 and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

Order of Man - March 23, 2022

Mind the Opportunity Gaps, What Makes a Powerful Question, and What Every Man is Searching For ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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