Order of Man - Moments of Self-Betrayal, Winning Where You Are, and Letting Go of the Man You Were ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.200 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Kip, what's up, brother? So great to see you. We're on a new

00:00:27.160 platform today, so we had a little bit of technical difficulties as we got things started,

00:00:31.340 but I think this is going to be much better for video and audio quality. And as you know,

00:00:35.580 we're always trying to improve, not just here on the podcast, but life in general. If we can just

00:00:41.120 make incremental improvements, I feel pretty good about that. It's a good way to start out.

00:00:44.980 And it's a good analogy, right? Because when you're making those slight improvements, what happens?

00:00:50.860 Shit doesn't go as well, and you have to pivot, and you experience difficulty, and that's where 0.97

00:00:56.900 the growth is, right? So. That's right. And life gets better. I don't know about you, but even if 0.99

00:01:04.520 things go south, when you try new things, you do new things, you try to make them better, you try to

00:01:10.900 improve, I always feel better. And it's not just because I'm meddling in things. It feels better

00:01:15.600 because I know I'm advancing, and I know I'm growing. And I think that's one of the biggest

00:01:20.360 things that a lot of guys miss in their lives is they just don't look for little ways to improve

00:01:27.720 on a daily basis. Like I was at the gym this morning and I was looking through my workout

00:01:32.000 and I was doing some, I think I was doing some preacher curls is what I was doing. That's what

00:01:35.500 Johnny Loretty's got me doing one of my workouts, which I hate. Those are stupid. That just seems 1.00

00:01:39.920 like a great way to hurt yourself. Yeah. It's like an arm bar, but with extra weight. I just don't

00:01:45.800 understand why anybody would do that. So Johnny, I got issues with preacher curls. Anyways,

00:01:50.820 I was looking at my weight and I'm like, all right, can I improve this five pounds today?

00:01:54.580 That's it. Can I just go up five pounds today? And, and if we make those incremental improvements

00:02:00.220 daily or weekly or monthly or however often it is, I just think men operate better like that. 0.95

00:02:06.300 Not just the default, the status quo, but just little ways to get better, make everything a

00:02:10.960 competition, make everything a contest. It works well for me anyways.

00:02:14.720 What do you think stops men from doing that though, Ryan? Like why, what, what stops guys

00:02:21.200 in the tracks today, guys that are listening today? It's like, what, what do you think?

00:02:26.920 What's the mindset that stops them from saying, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to make some incremental

00:02:31.340 improvements today. I'm going to improve today.

00:02:35.180 It's a great question. I think I'm going to have to think about the way to frame this. Cause

00:02:40.180 I haven't really thought about it this way, but there's little, little sabotages that take

00:02:45.540 place in our lives and they're seemingly insignificant. Like you didn't get enough sleep

00:02:50.980 last night. You could tell, huh? Or you got in an argument with, or you got an argument with

00:02:58.820 your wife or you ate something different than you should have eaten. And we let those little 0.99

00:03:09.180 things add up. And then we wake up in the morning and we think, Oh, I just, I didn't get enough

00:03:14.000 sleep. So I'll just, I won't go to the gym. Well, damn two things. You should go to the gym. Number

00:03:20.280 one. And number two, maybe tonight go to sleep on time. Yeah. That's what I think. That's

00:03:28.700 what we miss. I w I went skiing this weekend and I was feeling good, man. Yesterday went

00:03:34.280 skiing. Elk meadows. It was the best I ever felt when I went skiing. No, I went to Brian

00:03:38.800 head. We need to get to elk meadows up to a beaver Canyon. If those of you who don't know

00:03:45.040 now, you know, it's a beaver Canyon and you have to say it like that. You can't say like

00:03:48.640 up the, you have to say up beaver Canyon. That's how we say it in Southern Utah, which

00:03:54.180 is not grammar, grammatically correct, but we say like that. Uh, anyways, I was skiing.

00:03:59.880 I felt so good. I ate right. I got some good sleep the night before I was energized and I

00:04:06.380 felt so good. Like it's not any wonder to me that our day, I think a lot of the times

00:04:12.880 is based on our previous day. Yeah. And if you want to have a good day tomorrow, then do the

00:04:17.660 right things today. Yeah. Get up at the right time, go work out, complete your daily task,

00:04:26.220 whatever those tasks look like, have good conversations, stay away from the booze and

00:04:31.100 the junk and everything else that gets in your way. And I just think life is going to get

00:04:35.480 better. It's just little things that add up. I don't know. What do you think Kip?

00:04:38.640 Well, I love exactly what you just said. And then I'd add on. And when you F up today,

00:04:45.700 pay the price, still go to the gym. What do you mean by that?

00:04:50.320 Pay the price, right? Like if you overcommitted, still do all those things and lose sleep.

00:04:56.480 If you drank the night before, still work out and feel like crap. Do pay the price for those 0.97

00:05:02.320 actions. So you're not robbing yourself from the learning experience, right? Like most guys don't 0.87

00:05:10.880 go to bed early today because they compromised today because of their actions yesterday. And so

00:05:17.000 they don't learn the price. And so they do stay up late again, right? It's like you got to start

00:05:22.540 paying the price and guess what? You'll start going to bed earlier. You absolutely will. Right. But you

00:05:28.060 you have to be willing to pay the price. And we were up. We rob ourselves. That's a good point.

00:05:34.280 If you look at that in the micro, if you get over the weekend, let's say you got, you know,

00:05:39.460 two, three, four hours of sleep in the evening, you can do that for like three days

00:05:45.300 about day three, about day four. I guarantee you hit the sack and either you go to bed earlier,

00:05:52.580 you take a nap throughout the day because your body's like, nope, we're not doing this.

00:05:56.440 And I think that's your point here is you could get away with that for a little while,

00:06:00.940 but don't allow yourself to get away with it. Suffer, feel it, experience it,

00:06:05.000 and then make better decisions. I like that a lot.

00:06:07.100 Yeah, totally. My, my, my teenage son, Kiyavi used to always say this.

00:06:11.420 Uh, I can't, I can't wake up early. Why? Cause I can't sleep at night.

00:06:15.400 Guess, guess how you fall asleep better at night. You get up early. That's how, right? Like,

00:06:20.540 yeah, you got to get up early. That's the hard part.

00:06:22.780 Yeah. It's that day one or two where you have to actually get up early

00:06:26.100 and suffer a little bit. And then the next night you're going to go to sleep for sure.

00:06:32.260 The only other thing, if you don't mind me adding to what you said, you know, those little

00:06:36.220 moments of sabotage, I like to use the language there, there are moments of self betrayal and,

00:06:43.960 and they're always, they're, they're the lies that we tell ourselves. And, and if you guys are like,

00:06:50.900 oh man, this is kind of elusive. Maybe I can't relate. This is how you relate. You wait for the

00:06:57.020 internal dialogue to justify action or justify inaction. That's self betrayal. Always. So if I

00:07:06.600 know I should do something and I don't do it, I have to explain it away. You want to know if you're

00:07:13.900 lying to yourself. It's when you start explaining it, when you start explaining it to yourself,

00:07:17.840 that means you're in the process of self betrayal. And for you to live with yourself as a human,

00:07:23.700 you have to tell yourself the lie. So just wait until you start coming up with some internal story

00:07:29.180 of why you're going to do or not do something. There you go. That's the moment. That's the moment

00:07:34.980 when you should just go, you know what? Stop listening. Act.

00:07:37.800 Let's, let's take that to like a really tangible, like conclusion here. So one might be you wake up

00:07:47.020 this morning or tomorrow morning, let's say, and you're like, I'm tired or I deserve a break or I

00:07:54.040 worked out hard yesterday so I can take today off or I'll do it later this afternoon. That's self

00:08:01.500 betrayal. Another way I like this a lot. Another way I'm thinking about it is let's say you get passed

00:08:07.260 over for the promotion. Oh, well, Kip got the promotion because he's the boss's, you know,

00:08:14.280 nephew or Kip got the promotion because, uh, he, you know, plays politics better than I do.

00:08:22.160 Well, play the politics. Like, I love that, that little trigger right there of if you're explaining

00:08:28.600 why you didn't accomplish whatever you meant to accomplish, it's self betrayal, but actually,

00:08:35.340 hold on a second. Let me think about this. Um, I'm just thinking about it in the context of sports

00:08:40.060 because my oldest son, uh, had, had some games, some scrimmages this past weekend, his first,

00:08:46.580 his very first scrimmages with lacrosse. You and I talked over the weekend and they got slaughtered.

00:08:52.380 Like they got beat down, but justifiably. So like understandably. So of course they've been

00:09:01.120 practicing for three weeks. They played a couple of teams that have been, had a really solid program

00:09:05.940 for years and years and years. So how do you know, Kip, if it's self betrayal or if it's, Hey,

00:09:12.920 we lost because those guys have been playing for years together. We just started three weeks ago,

00:09:18.360 which is actually legitimate in this case. So how do you know? How do you distinguish between

00:09:22.620 one is in curiosity and the other one is in explaining a lack of action or, or action.

00:09:31.280 Right. So, so for instance, you know, let's, let's use an example, uh, maybe something that

00:09:37.940 hits a little more at home for most people. Right. So, um, my heart, my gut, whatever you want to call

00:09:46.340 it says, you know what, you should probably apologize to your wife. And I have an initial

00:09:51.800 thought that of, of already action of what I should or should not do. And when I explain it away,

00:10:01.360 it's self betrayal. That's could be different with, if I go to the scenario and I'll go, Hmm,

00:10:08.260 I didn't have a thought. I'm curious, man, should I, should I go talk to my wife about it? Like

00:10:13.200 that's a little bit different. Right. But when you already know the answer, best way to apologize

00:10:18.620 to my wife. Exactly. Exactly. But when you already know, like you should do something or you should

00:10:24.340 not do, and then you have to explain it. No, that's different. That's a different story.

00:10:29.200 Right. And that's usually in that space of, of self betrayal. We talked about this probably months,

00:10:35.260 if not years ago, and I can't, I don't know why I remembered this, but I look at, there's a

00:10:40.040 difference between reasons and excuses. Yeah. So an excuse is like a period at the end of the

00:10:47.580 sentence. There's nothing else that follows. No additional thought. It's over. The sentence is

00:10:52.500 over. It's done. Yeah. Right. But an excuse is like a comma, which means that, Hey, there's a

00:10:58.780 reason is like a comma. Excuse me. Yes. A reason is like a comma. There's a break. And then there's

00:11:05.780 information to follow. So for example, with my son's lacrosse team, uh, we got beat because

00:11:12.840 they were better than us. And we have horrible coaches period. We have horrible coaches. That's

00:11:19.380 not true by the way, but let's just say that's the reason of the excuse they come up with.

00:11:23.540 That's an excuse because there's a period at the end of the sentence. You can't do anything about

00:11:26.920 your coaching. There's nothing you can do about it. A reason would be, Hey, we got beat because

00:11:33.700 we're, we're young. We're just learning the game over the past three weeks. These guys have been

00:11:38.320 playing for years and therefore we need to train harder. Yeah. There's a comma with followed it with

00:11:45.920 action. And I think a reason is something because I think the risk of not having a, the discussion or

00:11:53.120 the dialogue about reason is that like we need to be able to move forward. Like we, we ha and, and we

00:12:00.940 also have to acknowledge reality. We have to operate in the space of reality. Sometimes people

00:12:06.460 are like, Oh, we could do better. We could have beat them. No, you could not have. If my son said

00:12:12.160 to me, dad, I, we just played like crap. We could have beat them. I'm like, sorry, son, you're flat 1.00

00:12:17.020 out wrong. And you're going to focus on the wrong thing to win in the future. If, if it's just, we

00:12:21.520 could have. Yeah. Right. It's not operating in reality. The reality is that team was bound to beat

00:12:28.220 you guys down. And so the question then is what do we learn from it? But it's, we have to be

00:12:34.800 realistic about it. And that's one of the thing I, things I think that you get a lot wrong in the,

00:12:39.440 in the social media sphere is like, Oh, you can do anything you put your mind to. My son's team

00:12:44.460 could not have beat that team regardless of how well they played, how hard they played, how good

00:12:48.760 they played. They could not have beat those teams. It just wasn't going to happen. It wasn't in the

00:12:53.000 cards. Let's operate from reality and say, okay, but next time we can be better. Right.

00:12:58.900 Or we can do this to improve. When we get to region play, you know, we'll have a chance

00:13:03.040 or, or whatever it might look like. Totally. And we have a, and I think it's important to

00:13:07.140 note that, you know, cause we have a, we have a t-shirt, right. You know, about not having

00:13:13.680 reasons and right. And, and I think, and I agree with you, but I think most people walk

00:13:21.180 around with their reasons, but they're really excuses. You know, they're, they're the reasons

00:13:29.120 why they do or don't do things in the world, but they're really just excuses to justify a

00:13:35.940 lack of action on their part. And we, so we got to be mindful, right. Is what, what are we

00:13:42.080 doing? Of course. But yeah. And be honest. Yep. Yep. Look at us getting all right. Well,

00:13:48.140 let's get into some questions today. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to field questions

00:13:51.580 from, from the gram. You can follow Mr. Mickler on at Ryan Mickler. That's M I C H L E R

00:13:58.880 on the last name there. First question, Chris Babber.

00:14:02.140 But by the way, hold on. I want to say something about Instagram real quick. I'm bothered with

00:14:07.180 Instagram and I don't like to complain about being like shadow band and all this kind of stuff.

00:14:11.080 I don't like to complain about it. Cause I don't know. I don't, I actually don't know.

00:14:15.400 Yeah. I don't like it, but I do. There's a lot of things I do that I don't like. Okay. Kip,

00:14:19.500 like going to the gym when I don't feel like it, I still do it. Absolutely. This is like that.

00:14:23.580 It's not like that. Actually. I was looking at my numbers or whatever on Instagram and my

00:14:30.120 engagement over the past 30 days for what we're doing is up like, I don't know, 87%. And I'm just

00:14:37.580 using some, it's close though. And then I was looking at the past 30 days. It's yeah. Okay.

00:14:43.680 Over the previous 30 days. I was looking at accounts reached over the previous 30 days. It's up like

00:14:48.740 967%. And I'm, I'm not exaggerating that it's like 967%. Guess how many more followers we received

00:15:00.100 in that timeframe? Minimal. Take a guess. Take a stab at it. Um, a hundred, a hundred new followers.

00:15:07.960 Yeah. A hundred new followers. No negative, negative followers. We lost follow. We lost

00:15:14.360 followers in that same timeframe. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah. Like, like statistically this is not even

00:15:21.380 possible. So guys, like if you're on Instagram, follow, engage, comment, reshare, because I would

00:15:27.140 just love to beat the algorithm. I don't know if I can, cause the odds are stacked against us, but

00:15:31.580 and we'll find out platforms and ways to go. Like we do a lot on rumble. Now we, we were posting

00:15:37.360 everything exclusively on YouTube. YouTube has actually done fairly well. Although for the

00:15:42.620 amount of followers that we have, I think we have like 350,000 subscribers and we'll get a video

00:15:48.700 that's viewed 1500 times. It's weird. Come on now. Yeah. I don't buy that either. Like we just,

00:15:53.900 it's not weird. It's just, it's just, yeah, almost a quarter of a, more than a quarter of a million

00:15:59.980 subscribers to the channel and a thousand people watch a video sometimes it's yeah. It doesn't

00:16:05.460 seem right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyways, I think the point that I want to share here is I don't

00:16:11.660 want to just complain about it, but I really believe that there's, there is an agenda against

00:16:16.760 the types of conversations that we're having and that's conservative in nature. That's talking

00:16:22.400 about independent thinking. It's talking about being an independent sovereign man. The powers

00:16:29.400 that be, those that are in power and social media is a power. Please understand that. Do not want

00:16:35.260 these conversations to take place and they do not want you to be successful. That applies to the

00:16:40.380 government. That applies to the medical community. That applies to academia. That applies to even in

00:16:47.500 some cases, capitalism. There, there are so many cards stacked against us guys, and we need to be

00:16:53.160 realistic about that. And look, I don't want to just speak in hyperbole. I'll tell you this. If we

00:16:58.860 take each one of those categories, the government doesn't want you to be successful because they

00:17:02.120 want you to be a little cog in the wheel. Academia doesn't want you to be successful for the same

00:17:06.340 reason. Just, Hey, we just need to groom you to be factory workers. The medical community doesn't want 0.97

00:17:12.440 you to be sovereign because they want to sell you a bunch of pills. They don't want you to be

00:17:16.440 healthy. They actually want you to be unhealthy so they can continue to sell their pills. Guys,

00:17:21.960 like everything is stacked against you. And if you're not working on ways to be sovereign,

00:17:27.280 these companies, organizations, and governments are going to get the better of you. Absolutely.

00:17:33.600 Yeah. So, and it is beatable to some extent, right? Otherwise you wouldn't, you wouldn't get

00:17:39.200 Russell Brand, for instance, having as many subscribers as he, as he does if it, if, but he'd

00:17:46.260 probably be much higher than he is, but regardless, you know what I mean? It's working or you can work

00:17:51.660 against it to some extent. So the call to action of course is follow, subscribe, listen, share.

00:17:57.580 And that's one of the best ways that you can support the movement.

00:18:00.880 Yeah. There's a, and there's one, another outlet that I, that I think is relevant. We talk about

00:18:04.740 that's entertainment. This whole thing with a Superbowl about this guy, Travis Kelsey and his

00:18:11.660 girlfriend, Taylor Swift has like taken the world by storm. Guys, they want you to be distracted.

00:18:21.440 They want, and I don't even know if it's totally nefarious necessarily. I just think they want your

00:18:26.840 eyeballs. That's all it is. And, and so if we can distract you with these things and, and we can

00:18:33.880 make these grand claims and we can, you know, uh, put together these, these, you know, certain

00:18:39.140 arrangements or make you talk about us more, that's what it's all about. And you guys are falling prey

00:18:45.760 to it. And I do too. I'm not going to say just you. I do too. We're all falling prey to it. Let's

00:18:51.020 knock that off and think a little bit higher than who, what football player, some guy that gets paid

00:18:58.760 to play, to, to toss a football and who he's dating. Come on guys. Like we got better things

00:19:07.460 to worry about. And I'm not saying don't enjoy the Superbowl. Sure. But recognize it for what it is

00:19:12.100 a little game filled with arrogant men who get paid way too much money. And that's it. Yeah.

00:19:20.760 That's it. That's all it is. I saw a guy that I, that I like. He's like, Hey, look, look what our

00:19:26.360 team did. Our team. What the hell are you talking about? You're not on their team. Oh boy. I live

00:19:32.740 here. That's still not our team. Yeah. Stop being so vested in that. It's crazy. Watch the game.

00:19:39.920 Enjoy it. Have an outlet. Sure. I get it. Yeah. I like football. I, you know, I went, I actually

00:19:44.840 about three months ago, three, four months ago, went and watched a game at, at, at Allegiant. It's a

00:19:49.940 beautiful stadium. It's cool. Guess how vested I was in it? Like three hours of my life.

00:19:56.880 Cause it was fun. And that was it. Yeah. It, I can't help whenever I watch a game,

00:20:03.000 I just can't help but like, think like, why did gladiators exist? Right? Like what was the

00:20:08.820 whole point of that? It was a distraction for people. It was a, as a tool by the government

00:20:16.420 at the time to distract people from other issues. And it's fascinating. I, I, I find

00:20:22.580 it fascinating. You go to a game and people lose their minds. They, they have given over

00:20:28.220 whether their day will go good or not based upon a brand of an organization that will trade

00:20:36.000 out employee. Like it's their associate, their loyalty is what? To a, to a company marketing

00:20:41.020 brand or the, like what the tax ID of, of, of an organization. Cause it's not the team members

00:20:46.440 because those guys get traded left and right. And you still, you have loyalty. Like I don't,

00:20:50.800 I don't even under, it's crazy when you logically think about it. It fascinates me that people

00:20:56.760 will, will give over their happiness, their day and their pride and their sense of belonging and

00:21:06.480 identity to a marketed brand. It's fascinating to me. Oh, it's crazy.

00:21:15.860 It is. I mean, I, you've seen so many posts like, Oh my God, it's going to be a hard couple

00:21:20.840 of days. What the hell is wrong with you? It's weird. Or I, when I was up skiing, I bought, 0.98

00:21:26.880 I watched it. I saw a bunch of guys. They're all wearing jerseys with other men's names on them.

00:21:31.400 Like, could you imagine if I wrote, wore a shirt that said Kip Sorensen on it?

00:21:37.040 That'd be pretty bad-ass. You should do that.

00:21:39.080 That'd be, that'd be ridiculous. 0.93

00:21:41.620 Yeah. Fill my ego. 0.89

00:21:43.340 We should put one in this store. I'm going to put one in the store that just says Kip Sorensen.

00:21:48.660 Just that's all it is on there and see how many of those we can sell.

00:21:51.600 One from me.

00:21:52.580 Yeah. And two from, from, I don't know, maybe your wife.

00:21:58.300 Your wife wouldn't buy one. 0.99

00:22:00.060 Yeah, I was going to say, you'd sell 20 of them because I'd buy 20 and give them out as gifts.

00:22:06.040 Yeah.

00:22:06.900 Okay. Questions.

00:22:08.240 All right. Well, we're half an hour into this thing. We don't have any questions answered yet.

00:22:11.900 All right. Chris Baber. How long have you and Kip known each other? Quick question. There you go.

00:22:18.280 What? Seven years?

00:22:19.560 Yeah. Eight years?

00:22:20.440 Yeah. Seven, eight years, maybe.

00:22:22.660 I mean, loosely.

00:22:23.800 Yeah.

00:22:24.120 Right. I think somebody asked a question. I can't remember if it was an Instagram or maybe on Facebook

00:22:28.500 and they said, Hey, we don't really know your story. Like you and I, our story really quickly.

00:22:36.160 Well, why don't you, you tell it like 30 seconds, the story of how we got a good, a mutual friend

00:22:42.400 of ours, Matt Jenkins added me to the Facebook group. I thought it was Matt's thing because

00:22:48.360 that's usually the only people that invite you to private groups is like the owner of

00:22:52.620 the group. You know what I mean? So, except for Matt, if you know Matt, he's going to invite

00:22:57.040 you to everything.

00:22:57.620 Yeah. Yeah, totally. So he added me to this group called order man on Facebook. That's

00:23:02.320 facebook.com slash group slash order man. And I joined it to support a friend. That's

00:23:06.760 all. And unfortunately, this is back in the day when I had social media notifications on

00:23:12.200 and it was just like ding, ding, ding, you know, comments. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like

00:23:17.580 this is noise. I'm like, sorry, Matt, I'm going to unsubscribe. So I, I went to the group to leave

00:23:24.780 it because it was just noise to me. And that day you made a post about the podcast. So you had a

00:23:33.420 video on there saying something about the podcast. And I thought, Oh, this isn't Matt's thing. And

00:23:39.420 then second, there's a podcast. And so then I subscribed to the podcast, listened to episode one

00:23:46.320 and I'm like, Oh, that's pretty good. Listen, episode two, that's pretty good. And kept listening

00:23:51.100 through episodes. And then really, I think the next thing I did before I even joined the IC is

00:23:56.760 I attended an uprising. I think I may have done uprising two before I joined the IC. I'm not,

00:24:03.200 I don't, I'm not, I don't know exactly, but I, I went to the uprising, the second uprising,

00:24:09.940 and then I joined the iron council. I was on team alpha for a short period of time, maybe like

00:24:16.120 a month or two. And I remember telling Drew, I'm like, Hey, if there's other realms of capacity

00:24:22.180 to serve and contribute more, let me know. And then shortly thereafter, Lex stepped down from

00:24:30.420 ECHO. And I, I said, are you, I think you asked, Hey Kip, will you take over ECHO? And I said, yes.

00:24:38.440 And that just kind of started looking for more opportunities to serve within the IC.

00:24:42.480 I think what's so, I love this story. And I think what's so powerful about it is that it started

00:24:50.320 with something just like a Facebook group, a dumb Facebook group, and then iron council. And you went 0.52

00:24:56.000 to an uprising. So you invested thousands of dollars to go to this uprising. And then, and then you joined

00:25:01.440 the iron council, which you paid for. And then you asserted yourself by talking with Drew. And then I

00:25:07.200 invited you to lead a team and you said, yes. And then you continue to improve. I remember a

00:25:12.900 conversation that you and I had, and I can't remember exactly where it is, but it must've

00:25:16.940 been a meetup or something. And we were hiking. I don't know if you remember this, but we were hiking

00:25:21.380 and is that what it was in Sundance? Yeah, I think it was.

00:25:25.960 Yeah, we had a few leaders.

00:25:27.600 You and I were on a hike with some other guys. Yeah. And you were telling me a little bit about

00:25:33.260 what you were doing with echo, like how you were leading the team and looking some at some data and

00:25:37.300 some metrics and some accountability. And I was super impressed by that. This was years and years

00:25:41.360 ago. And I thought, man, I got to get Kip more involved in this. And I think it's a great testament.

00:25:46.120 And it's very in line with what we've been talking about, specifically you over the past eight

00:25:51.360 years of making sure that you assert yourself in the places you find yourself. If you're at work,

00:25:56.340 assert yourself, look for opportunities, look for responsibilities, volunteer yourself,

00:26:01.600 you know, help, help somebody else serve somebody else, because that's always going to lead you to

00:26:06.760 a better place. Maybe not in the micro, but in the macro, I believe that if you go out and you

00:26:12.280 really assert yourself that way, you're always going to end up on top. Yeah, totally. And you have

00:26:17.180 totally. And now you're out, you know, we had a great conversation this weekend. Now you're thinking

00:26:21.280 about starting leadership development programs and courses, not just for what we're doing here in the

00:26:25.860 Iron Council, but how can I do this for other corporations? How can I make myself available

00:26:30.680 to do corporate trainings? So guys, if you are interested in anything like that for your team

00:26:36.100 or your organization, I'm telling you, Kip's a great resource for that. So, and it started from

00:26:41.580 you, not from us, we were the vessel. It started from your ability to put yourself out there and take

00:26:50.020 some initiative and be forward with what you wanted to do. Yeah. Back to what you're saying,

00:26:54.120 just we're winning where we are, right? Like how often guys who are like, oh, well, I need that

00:27:00.240 new position, right? I need someone to recognize me. I need opportunity for me to level up versus like,

00:27:07.800 and you use this analogy, you know, if you're the guy sweeping the room, be the world's best sweeper. 0.95

00:27:14.820 Do it in such an amazing way that someone goes, holy crap. If he does that so well, think about all the

00:27:21.860 other things that he could just put effort into and be amazing at. And, and I don't know about

00:27:27.280 you, but any employee that shows up that way, I immediately think they're a winner because they 1.00

00:27:32.920 believe in themselves and they're willing to put in the work. Of course.

00:27:35.440 Yeah. I literally, all right. Next question. Quick example. Sorry. I literally interviewed a kid

00:27:43.280 at a job right now, not qualified. And we may have filled the position. I may hire him. I have no idea

00:27:52.960 what for. Why? Because the way he is, because how hungry and how assertive and willing he is to put

00:28:05.180 the work in. I'm like, he just, I just know I could all, I feel like I could put him in almost any

00:28:11.840 position. He'd do amazing. I mean, that's, isn't that awesome? It is. Yeah. And awesome for him, right?

00:28:18.880 It's like, dude, like the possibilities are endless when you show up that way.

00:28:26.460 I think there's a lot to be said. This, this, this phrase sticks out is like betting on you.

00:28:31.860 Like, I don't know, like when, what role or what position we're going to put this person,

00:28:36.480 but I bet on that person. Totally. Not, not his skillset. Not like what role, not the business,

00:28:42.200 but there's, there's people. I'll give you an example. I'm an investor. Some of you guys don't

00:28:48.480 know. I'm an investor in Jocko fuels and origin. I had an opportunity. Sweet. Because I invest in

00:28:57.280 Pete Roberts. Oh yeah. I didn't even, I saw that earlier because I invest in Pete Roberts.

00:29:02.320 I know Pete Roberts is going to win. I don't care if he's selling what the, the banana protein shake

00:29:09.880 or whatever, or a vanilla. I love the vanilla. Yeah. The Jocko malt. I like the banana one.

00:29:15.380 Banana is great too. Yeah. So he's drinking the malt. Look, I don't know if Pete's selling that or

00:29:20.900 he's selling geese or he's making boots in America or he's selling denim or he's doing you Jocko

00:29:25.820 protein supplement. I don't, I don't actually care. I really don't. I believe in that stuff,

00:29:31.000 but I believe in Pete Roberts more than I believe in whatever it is he chooses to offer to the public.

00:29:36.660 Yeah. And you want to be that kind of person where it's like, I came to you, Kip. And I said,

00:29:41.720 Hey, I'm going to start a new organization. I hope, and I'm not going to put you in the spot,

00:29:45.100 but I hope you would say through my actions, like, yep, I'm interested in it. Even if it was

00:29:51.360 completely different than what we're doing here, because you believe in me. Totally. Not necessarily

00:29:57.460 the idea. Totally. Totally. And I have multiple people in my life. You're one of them. I have old boss

00:30:04.140 of mine. Chris Lake probably doesn't even listen to the podcast. If he called me up and said,

00:30:08.260 Kip, I got something who would be really hard not to jump ship just because I respect him so much.

00:30:15.440 And he's such a bad-ass that I just know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Question one down. All right. We'll make

00:30:23.060 much faster here. Question two, 40 minutes. I know this is actually really interesting. This is my

00:30:28.960 brother. Actually, my brother has asked him this question. I thought this was funny. So Dustin Sorensen,

00:30:33.480 he says, talk about forgiveness with self and others and the impact that it has on the work

00:30:40.520 around us. And how do you do it? That's really hard for me to forget. I'm not very easy on myself.

00:30:47.660 I am actually pretty easy, I think, on other people. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

00:30:53.600 I've really gotten better at not being so judgmental or jumping to conclusions about what

00:30:57.860 they might be dealing with or why they do a thing. If I'm going to make an assumption, again,

00:31:02.560 I try to give people the benefit of the doubt or assume that they are either ignorant or they've

00:31:09.220 got an experience that I'm not familiar with and they're filtering all of their decision-making

00:31:13.020 process through that filter. I really try not to be judgmental. And I also tend to be pretty

00:31:19.080 forgiving. If somebody wrongs or slights or messes up or takes advantage of me in some way,

00:31:25.860 I tend to be a pretty forgiving person. None of that applies to myself.

00:31:31.520 It just does not. Because I know what I'm capable of. I'm capable of amazing things. I'm capable of

00:31:39.660 great things. I don't give myself a pass. People will say, oh, well, you know, this isn't your fault

00:31:45.640 and it's not 100% your responsibility. I'm not interested in that story. I'm just not because

00:31:50.680 there's nothing I can do. Let's take my marriage, for example. And people say, well, it's not all

00:31:55.280 you. Well, you know what? There's nothing I can do about her. So I might as well take 100%

00:32:00.540 responsibility for it. Not fault. I'm not going to say that. But there's a difference between fault

00:32:05.140 and responsibility. So it's hard for me to let go of my own shortcomings, to forgive myself,

00:32:12.920 to ease up, you know, a little bit. That's hard. But one thing that has helped me is asking the

00:32:22.400 question and operating by this mindset of what can I learn and how can I be better? I don't really

00:32:28.980 necessarily need to forgive myself. I don't feel like I do. There's a lot of things I don't forgive

00:32:34.240 myself for in the breakdown of my, you know, 18-year marriage. I don't feel like I need to completely

00:32:41.820 forgive myself to move on with my life. Like that will always be there and it will always be present

00:32:47.800 and I'll always be aware of my own inadequacies and shortcomings in that relationship. But I'm also

00:32:54.640 very aware of what I learned. I'm very aware of how I show up. I'm very aware of, you know, my natural

00:33:01.100 tendencies and relationships. And so I've gotten better at those things, not in spite of my past

00:33:07.560 experiences, but because of them. Yeah. I would not be the man that I am today if I had not gone

00:33:13.420 through that a year and a half or so ago. Yeah. It's painful. I was talking with somebody the other

00:33:18.960 day and, you know, I remember like a year and a half ago, I remember certain things. Here's one thing.

00:33:26.820 I don't like talking about this because it's very personal, but I think a lot of you guys can relate

00:33:31.680 with this. My ex-wife and I were talking about potentially me moving out or her moving out or 0.78

00:33:39.040 something. And I said, you know, I'm not leaving. That's my house too. I'm not leaving, but I'll move

00:33:42.880 into another bedroom. And that's what I did. And I remember the first night. And here's what I

00:33:47.760 remember about the first night in that other bedroom. It was brutal. I cried. I was, it was so

00:33:51.880 painful. I remember how painful it was, but I don't feel that pain the way I did then. I remember,

00:34:00.320 I was like, man, that was hard. And then I thought about it. I'm like, I actually don't feel

00:34:03.840 that pain today. Yeah. I feel really good about where I am precisely because I'm willing to learn

00:34:13.300 lessons. And I think that is what we talked about earlier. The difference between a period at the

00:34:18.660 end of the sentence and a comma. So for example, a period would be, you know, my marriage failed and

00:34:24.560 I'm a loser. I'm a horrible husband. I'm a horrible person. I'm a horrible father. Period. 0.99

00:34:31.120 A comma is my marriage failed. I struggled in these different ways. I should not have done this.

00:34:37.420 I should have done more of this. And so here's what I'm going to do now. Yeah. And that's the

00:34:43.060 comma. And that's why when people will say, Oh, Ryan, you seem to be really good in spite of what's

00:34:47.460 going on. Yeah, I am. Because it wasn't a period. It was a comma. I am. I'm in a really happy place

00:34:53.600 right now because of that. And I, I think, I think the profound point of what you said

00:34:59.500 is what am I going to do now, which implies that you're letting it go of how you were.

00:35:07.940 Right. I think sometimes when we talk about forgiving ourselves, we, it, this is how you

00:35:15.480 forgive yourself. You realize that who you are now can be different than who you were. That's how.

00:35:22.440 Right. We don't write it off. You know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, right? It's like,

00:35:27.820 it's really powerful when someone rubs your face in the dirt and saying you were this, you were that,

00:35:32.740 and you go, yeah, I know. Sorry about that. But now I'm not. Right. And, and so we don't forgive

00:35:42.820 like, Hey, like, like pretend it didn't happen. No, it absolutely happened. We absolutely make

00:35:48.160 horrible decisions. We're, we're horrible in many ways. We may have major regret of the past,

00:35:53.720 but what, who, and what are you doing now implies that it's in your past and you've let go of it.

00:36:04.360 And now you're just learning from it. And I think that's where we get personal forgiveness wrong,

00:36:10.180 right? Is we're, we're dragging the past as our identity into the present constantly versus saying,

00:36:17.400 no, that was horrible. I actually probably don't even forgive myself. That was horrible.

00:36:22.000 I can't change the impact and the consequences of how I showed up in the world. But what I can do

00:36:27.040 is show up a particular way now and, and move forward. Yeah. I, I, and, and I think, you know,

00:36:36.680 you know, we're talking about forgiveness of self and I, you and I are cut from the same cloth,

00:36:40.960 right? I'm probably way harsher on myself than everybody else, than, than I am with other people.

00:36:46.820 But I like this phrase and there's, and it is, there's power always in empathy.

00:36:54.100 You know, uh, Dale Carnegie, I think is Dale Carnegie that has the quote that says,

00:36:58.420 you know, critical thinking is difficult. That's why most people judge,

00:37:02.620 right? You want to forgive something or forgive someone, you stop judging them and you actually

00:37:09.840 start having some empathy and just try to critically think most hardship, pain, and suffering that we

00:37:16.220 experience on, on, on the, by the hands of someone else is usually the, a by-product of their own

00:37:24.140 personal struggle. And there's power in it. I'm not saying we, we write it off and say their actions

00:37:29.680 were okay, but it gives us, it gives us some power in understanding where they were coming from.

00:37:37.680 Right? I, I have people in my life that, and I, just to protect people and not share names,

00:37:44.960 I have people in my life where I have to remind them like, Hey, remember where your mom came from.

00:37:52.280 And, and when they get present to remembering where their mom came from, you then look at her like,

00:37:58.160 she's a freaking angel, right? Like the, the leveling up that she has done as a human and how

00:38:06.240 she's showing up in spite of her upbringing, we shouldn't ever be complaining about her in any way.

00:38:13.520 She's killing it. And, but yet we don't do that to people, right? And we need to, and, and by doing

00:38:20.480 that and by understanding people, we don't need to forgive them per se. We can actually forgive

00:38:26.320 our heart at war towards them instead, because that's the other element of this that I think

00:38:31.940 we often get wrong. You know, we've used this analogy of like a father dying. For instance,

00:38:36.520 I remember in the IC years ago, I was hosting a Friday call and we were talking about the subject,

00:38:42.180 right? Is forgiving a father that has passed away. And, and I'm like, okay, well, what do you think

00:38:49.300 this looks like? Well, I, I, if he was still alive, I'd be able to go there and vent and tell him how I

00:38:54.500 feel and blah, blah, blah. And then what, what all sudden you're, you're, what you're going to feel

00:39:00.140 better or, oh no, let me guess. Dad's going to go, oh, you're right, son. You know, I was all wrong.

00:39:05.720 And then you're going to feel better. The issue that you have is your heart at war towards your dad.

00:39:12.300 That's the, that's the suffering. And guess what? You don't need him.

00:39:17.380 No, it's not even towards your dad. It's the heart of war period. That's it's not towards your dad.

00:39:22.560 Yeah. Yeah. And that's within your realm of control.

00:39:25.800 Because if you start doing that, then it's like, right. If you start doing that and it's like, well,

00:39:29.860 he needs to be better. Well, what if he's dead? Then what are you stuck? Yeah. My dad's dead.

00:39:35.880 I'd love to have some conversation. He's dead. So is yours, Kip. I can't have a conversation with him.

00:39:41.620 So do I get to move on? Not if my heart is at war with him.

00:39:45.460 Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and then, um, go ahead. I was just going to say, and the, and the way you

00:39:53.040 go ahead, finish the way you deal with that heart at war is you get really present to how you're out

00:39:58.520 of integrity with them. So quick example, right? If I have a heart at war towards my dad, you know how

00:40:07.140 I deal with that, whether he's alive or not, is I get present to owning how I showed up in the

00:40:14.220 relationship and realizing that I withheld love. I held, withheld other things and I could have,

00:40:22.820 and should have handled that differently and getting that, that was unfair. Me restoring my

00:40:30.540 integrity is how I restore and have a heart at peace towards someone else. Most of the time when

00:40:38.220 we are out of integrity, it's because we are blaming someone else for things. That's the by-product of

00:40:46.820 being out of integrity. And so by owning how we showed up in the world, that's how you start becoming,

00:40:52.220 having a heart at peace. You're, you're way more assertive on that than I am. Cause maybe I'm,

00:40:58.080 maybe it's just dumb. I don't know. But you're, you're talking about like how to reconcile that 0.98

00:41:03.800 of like, Oh, you know, where do they come from? My knee jerk, at least it has been lately. And it's

00:41:09.100 been really helpful is, I don't know. Doesn't matter. That's a good enough answer for me. Like, for

00:41:14.780 example, you're driving down the road from your house to your business and somebody cuts you off.

00:41:21.260 I don't know why he cut me off. You know, the passenger's like, why the fuck did he do that? 0.99

00:41:25.580 What an asshole? I'm like, I don't know. Is he an asshole? I don't know the guy. Maybe he just 1.00

00:41:30.680 didn't see me. Yeah. Maybe, maybe he's an asshole. Maybe he, his wife is at the, in the delivery room

00:41:39.160 and she's delivering their first born right now. I don't know. And that is helpful for me because

00:41:46.580 then I don't need to jump to conclusions about this weird story. There it's, I'm indifferent.

00:41:50.200 I don't know. All I know is that he tried to cut me off. I slowed down. It shaved three seconds or

00:41:58.260 added three seconds to my commute. And like life goes on. That to me has been so powerful to let

00:42:05.540 things go. Cause I used to be a lot more judgmental. I used to be a lot more vested

00:42:10.420 and look what that guy's doing at the gym. Why is that guy doing that? He can do more weight. I don't

00:42:16.060 know. Maybe he's getting back from a recovery. You know, maybe he had a serious injury. Maybe

00:42:22.020 nobody ever showed him before. Maybe he just likes to do that. Maybe he is a weirdo. I don't know.

00:42:28.740 It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant to my life. I'm not going to be that vested case in point.

00:42:34.620 When we were talking about Kelsey and Taylor Swift, Oh, it's set up. Oh, it's this. Oh,

00:42:39.280 I don't know. I don't care. It's irrelevant to me. It doesn't matter guys. The more that we can

00:42:47.140 get rid of that stuff, even, even with my own father, you know, I had stories about why he did

00:42:52.780 things, why he didn't do certain things. I don't know. I really don't. And most of the time,

00:42:59.160 and that's okay with me. Like, I don't know. And most of the time it's not, it's not that.

00:43:02.580 And most of the time we never will know. And that, and that's, that's totally okay. Like I even,

00:43:08.100 we, we had, we're doing some like internal assessments, right. And employees and someone

00:43:12.800 goes, Hey Kip, I can't answer this question. And I'm like, why not? And they're like, well,

00:43:16.420 I don't know how much effort they really put in or not. I'm like, it's an assessment. You don't know

00:43:21.500 anything anyway. They're like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, do you really know if they're

00:43:27.580 capable? Do you really know if they're a great employee? If you think you think, if you believe

00:43:32.500 you really know, you're probably wrong. So it's all perception anyway. So it's okay. Right. Like

00:43:40.020 let go of the fact that you might be right or wrong. Cause there, there seldom is that type

00:43:44.940 of clarity in life. Right. So yeah. Funny. All right. You wrote, you said another thing earlier

00:43:50.640 and I don't want to trip up over little things, but you said, um, and I'm trying to think about

00:43:55.960 the context you said it in, cause it's been a minute, but you, you said, Hey, Oh, when somebody 0.99

00:44:00.220 says, Oh, you used to be an asshole and you said, sorry about that. I just want to say 0.99

00:44:03.600 one thing really, really quickly. This is for the nice guys. Cause I used to be one. You

00:44:07.600 don't need to apologize for that. It's true. Yeah. You don't, because if you're apologizing

00:44:13.400 for it, you might be apologizing to somebody that was not impacted by the decision that

00:44:18.700 you're making. And there's no reason to do that. So if somebody says you're a, you're an

00:44:23.300 asshole. It's like, yeah, I am. I know. Why do I have to be sorry? Am I obligated to be 1.00

00:44:32.120 sorry? Because I see things differently than you, or I said something that you don't like,

00:44:35.980 or you took offense to something that wasn't meant to be offensive. I'm not sorry. That's

00:44:41.860 on you. That's not on me. Here's where I will say sorry. When I do something and it directly

00:44:48.040 impacts somebody else. So for example, if I tell somebody I'm going to be there at five and

00:44:52.340 it's going to be five 30 by the time I show up and I get there, I'm like, Hey, I'm sorry.

00:44:56.260 I'm running late. That's a reasonable expectation that you should say sorry, because they planned

00:45:02.140 on you being there. They arranged their day for you to be there at a certain time. And

00:45:05.600 you weren't there. They probably had questions about why you weren't there on time. And maybe

00:45:09.640 they even took it personally and you're slighted that person. And you're sorry to yourself probably

00:45:13.720 in that example, like, Hey, I didn't do what I know I should have done. Sure. But you don't

00:45:19.560 need to apologize to other people for those either. Right? Like if I could have showed

00:45:24.860 up better today, then that's on me. Now, if it hindered you, then I need, I owe you an

00:45:31.620 apology, but I don't, I think it's really important, especially for the nice guys. We don't make

00:45:36.680 unnecessary apologies. You don't owe everybody an apology. Certain people. Yes, but not everybody.

00:45:42.340 So let's just be really clear on that. I like that. All right. Like-minded servants,

00:45:47.640 15 minutes with the 24 year old, 24 year old Ryan. So here's your context. What are the three

00:45:54.280 most powerful lessons you've learned that he can apply to walk with Christ, his marriage

00:46:00.080 and his legacy? So maybe whether it's with you or not, what are three most powerful lessons

00:46:05.660 that you've learned, right? With your belief in Christ, your marriage and legacy?

00:46:14.480 I would say number one, try everything. I really would. And I'm doing that now, but I wish I would

00:46:22.720 have done that a whole lot sooner where I would have said yes to more opportunities. Yes. To more

00:46:27.040 experiences. Yes. To more adventures, man. I'm 42 years old. If I live to my life expectancy,

00:46:34.720 I'm more than halfway through my life right now. So that becomes pretty- Go ahead.

00:46:40.620 I was just going to ask like, because of just the, because you might be too focused on working

00:46:49.440 all the time that you're not experiencing life to its fullest because your unwillingness

00:46:54.380 to not just always be grinding. Yeah.

00:46:57.160 Isn't life meant to be enjoyed? I'm not saying to be selfish. I'm not saying to not have any

00:47:06.060 responsibility. Like I have responsibilities. I have people that I'm trying to serve, but I also

00:47:10.940 want to enjoy my life. I want to enjoy fatherhood. I want to enjoy building this business. If I'm so

00:47:17.440 rigid in everything and I'm not thinking about ways to experiment, even within this, this business,

00:47:23.020 for example, like what kind of fun is that? Yeah. What opportunities does it provide? What if I did

00:47:29.200 it the same way everybody else did it? Sure. I could have some success, but is that how life is

00:47:33.220 meant to be lived? What if I want to go try skydiving? What if I want to travel to some foreign country

00:47:40.120 that I've never been to? Like we should say yes to those things. And by the way, guys, for those young

00:47:45.040 men who are listening, trust me, please listen, you have to listen to this. I like, if I could like

00:47:52.440 physically make you listen to this and apply this in your life, I would tell you, it doesn't get

00:47:59.140 easier. It's harder, man. Like if you're at, and this is for the old guys too. Oh, you know,

00:48:04.700 in six months, the project will be done and I'll do it in six months. No, you won't.

00:48:09.800 You won't. Or when life's not so busy, life's always going to be busy. If it's important,

00:48:18.480 then you carve out time right now and you make it a priority and you do it because it's important.

00:48:25.160 The second one, I think the second lesson ties into what we just talked about, learning to forgive

00:48:29.700 others and yourself. I think that's really, really important that people are going to slight you.

00:48:35.480 People are going to mess with you. I don't think, I actually don't think it's malicious most of the

00:48:39.520 time. If there was a ratio, I'd say 90% of the time, maybe even more, it's not malicious. It's

00:48:44.720 just ignorance or selfishness or something else. And people really aren't thinking about how can I

00:48:49.800 get you? They're thinking about themselves mostly. And then we obviously talked about learning to

00:48:57.240 forgive. He also mentioned living a Christ-centered life. Like, I think the concept here is just

00:49:03.740 adherence to the word of God, the Bible. You know, we deviate from that so often and we rationalize

00:49:11.460 and we justify and we talk about all the things that, you know, we talk about. But at the end of

00:49:16.180 the day, that's a great book to live a moral principled life and it will lead you to a good

00:49:22.180 place. Absolutely. It will lead you to a good place. So I would, I would maybe, if I would have

00:49:29.180 surmised that, I'd say, use that as an operating system for life. I love it. Thanks, man.

00:49:36.440 Alex Gibbs 8, as a father of three girls, I'm torn between protecting them and also cultivating their

00:49:44.200 growth. I know boundaries are necessary, but I'm struggling with a few. It's a little bit lengthy

00:49:49.220 here. He gives some examples, but primarily around them watching YouTube and wanting to do their own

00:49:56.700 channel and the use of technology. He says, when will they be? My girls enjoy watching other kids

00:50:02.060 play on YouTube and they use their iPads to do their own channel. Although they do not have a real

00:50:07.960 one, I'm torn between protecting them from the public and cultivating this creative channel and

00:50:13.480 allowing them to experience the challenge and potential failures that will come with it.

00:50:18.000 I realize their generation will be much more online. I also know that I have my parents' fear

00:50:23.260 in the back of my mind that this was trained into me, that I'm fighting through myself.

00:50:29.140 How do I fight through that fear of my daughters and where, and what is a good boundary to have in

00:50:34.140 place for an activity or projects such as YouTube channels?

00:50:41.360 Yeah. Well, I really like what you said about cultivating creativity. Cause a lot of the times we

00:50:46.400 just think that's stupid. You shouldn't do that. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. 1.00

00:50:48.920 Like should a kid learn how to grow a business? Should I learn how to communicate? Should a kid

00:50:54.800 learn how to present something interesting to the public? I think those are all pretty valuable

00:51:00.000 skills to learn and develop. But I would just say, if you're going to do that, then have some

00:51:04.240 parameters and boundaries in place. And that's your question. What might those look like? Number one,

00:51:08.700 it might be time allotted to those things as I don't know how old your daughters are, but let's say

00:51:13.660 you have a 10 year old daughter, a 12 year old daughter. I don't think she needs to be spending

00:51:17.360 hours upon hours on YouTube, but could she spend a half an hour watching something? Uh, and then

00:51:23.560 maybe an hour creating her own video. Sure. I think that's reasonable. Um, it might also be other

00:51:29.900 things for protection. Maybe at the reality of the environment we live in that showing her face is

00:51:36.100 not something that you're comfortable with. And so she's going to have to figure out a way to show her

00:51:41.900 art or show her bracelet making skills or so martial arts or whatever she's into in a way that doesn't

00:51:47.960 show her face. And maybe she doesn't even use her real name. Talk to her about personal information,

00:51:53.820 what is to be shared and what information should never be shared. Um, talk to her about the realities

00:52:00.500 of online predators and what that might look like and how to utilize this platform in a way that helps

00:52:07.560 her express her creativity, but doesn't expose her to unnecessary dangerous risk. I think there's a

00:52:14.360 lot of boundaries that can be put in place that will allow that, that to happen. I think I gave you

00:52:20.180 some great examples and based on what your daughters are trying to do, maybe there's more, but yeah, if

00:52:25.420 she look, am I going to let my daughter do a YouTube channel that shows her face with her putting makeup 1.00

00:52:32.480 on or wearing certain clothes? No, hell no. Of course not. Because I'm not an idiot.

00:52:39.200 But if she wanted to talk about her artwork, cause she's really into art and she's wants to show her

00:52:44.840 art and teach other young girls how to do art. Okay. Then we're going to come up with a creative way

00:52:50.140 for her to communicate that without exposing herself to creeps, perverts and assholes. 1.00

00:52:57.480 Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, what, I don't really know what else to say here. What do you, 1.00

00:53:03.440 I think it's perfect. I, my key takeaway that I got from you is a lot of his question was kind of

00:53:09.120 like a black and white YouTube, no YouTube kind of thing. And, and what I'm hearing from you is use

00:53:14.080 this as a, an opportunity. What areas within it can be used for good? What areas could be used for bad?

00:53:20.560 What are the pros and cons? Right. Let's get some critical thinking in there and then find a solution.

00:53:26.940 Right. I, I, I'm a technologist, right? I literally, I've been a technology consultant

00:53:31.920 for 20 years. You will never hear me say technology is the solution. Technology amplifies and magnifies.

00:53:42.340 That's it. Business process automation makes it faster, but if the process is broken,

00:53:47.860 what does it make faster? You, you want to enlighten data, but the data is bad, right?

00:53:55.440 Yeah. You're going to fail. That's all it does. Right. YouTube, it, it magnifies the reach of

00:54:01.760 people consuming whatever talent or thing there is. Right. And so it's not good or bad. There's

00:54:07.760 elements within it that could be used for good or bad. Right. And, and, and I think what I'm hearing

00:54:13.160 from you is be mindful of that. And use that as an opportunity to, to teach and learn around those

00:54:18.840 different areas while also being safe at the same time. I like it. It's just a tool. Like it's an

00:54:23.720 inanimate, inanimate object. Imagine the amount of followers, the people who listen to this podcast.

00:54:28.940 If I said, guns are bad. Yeah. Guns are hormones. How many followers, what percentage of followers

00:54:34.860 would say, what are you talking about? They're not bad. Like it's this, this, and they defend it,

00:54:38.860 which by the way, I'm on that side of the agreement, uh, argument, but I'm just making a point.

00:54:42.220 They'd all defend it. And then I would say, well, yeah, but you know, how many people have been

00:54:47.420 killed at the hands of somebody shooting somebody else? Right. That would be my defense. And then

00:54:51.780 your defense would be, well, it's just a tool, right? It's just a tool. That's all it is.

00:54:56.200 Um, this weekend I was skiing with my girlfriend and we were, we went to, uh, we went to get some,

00:55:02.040 some dinner and we sat down at a table. There was a family and they had a big table and I,

00:55:06.260 there wasn't any seat. So I said, Hey, do you mind if we share this table with you? And I said,

00:55:09.680 yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. So we sat down and her and I were talking and I looked over and there

00:55:14.240 was a husband and a wife and a, and a son and they were all on their phones playing a video game

00:55:20.260 or something. And initially I was like, I judged him. I was like, you freaking dork just sitting on

00:55:25.880 like, they should be here talking to each other, interacting, playing with each other. Yeah. So I 0.99

00:55:31.620 judged. And then I, the dad was like, yeah, he like yelled like unnecessarily loud. And he's like,

00:55:38.320 yeah. And they all started laughing. That's awesome. And I was like, I made this face.

00:55:43.320 And my girlfriend was like, she's like, what are you doing? They're playing a video game together.

00:55:49.700 And I was like, I looked over and I'm like, Oh yeah, they are. They're all playing. They're all

00:55:56.260 playing the same video game together on their phones, but they're playing together and they're

00:56:00.120 laughing and they're having a good time. It's not the technology. That's the problem.

00:56:04.720 Yeah. It's the way that we utilize it in this case, from what I assume and what I gathered in

00:56:09.680 and her telling me, don't be a dickhead. Like they were actually utilizing it in a way to build and 0.73

00:56:17.320 forge a bond of, of the relationship. I think that's a pretty good use of technology. Yeah.

00:56:22.140 So it's just how you use it. That's perfect. We'll get a, we'll get a scoring going here.

00:56:28.400 Girlfriend one, Ryan zero. So there you go. There we'll, we'll start tracking.

00:56:33.080 Let's not, let's not do that. Let's just go ahead and put the kibosh on that right away.

00:56:41.040 But I, but I appreciate the awfulness on that.

00:56:44.180 Yeah. We'll start taking votes in whether that's a good girlfriend comment or not. And we'll see how

00:56:48.980 this disrupts his relationship. All right, let's take maybe one, maybe two more, one or two more,

00:56:58.400 depending on this, the Gabriel Ray hosts. Um, when are you doing a main event again?

00:57:04.040 Quick question there. And then second question, the real question as a new blue belt, knowing that

00:57:09.280 there are still room to improve how you manage to identify in which areas to tackle first and

00:57:15.400 systems to implement for your jujitsu journey. So main event. Um, well, so main event, I don't

00:57:25.020 know. That's the answer to that. I don't know. Uh, we'll, we'll let you know on that. Just make

00:57:28.760 sure you subscribe to the newsletter, the email newsletter. And that way we'll let you know

00:57:31.920 when we do, cause I don't have the dates pinned down on that. And you can subscribe to that

00:57:35.000 newsletter, just order of man.com and sign up.

00:57:37.820 Yes. Right on the main page there. Uh, blue, but well, first I would say this, I need to put a

00:57:44.240 little correction in what you said. I'm a blue belt knowing there's room for improvement. Kip,

00:57:48.380 you're a black belt. Would you think that there's also room for improvement? Absolutely.

00:57:53.280 Yeah. So it's not blue belt and room for improvement are not, they're not 1.00

00:57:59.060 inextricably connected. Like you'll always have room for improvement. So I just want to be very,

00:58:04.980 very clear on that. The journey never ends until you're dead. But where do you focus? 0.85

00:58:09.400 Yeah. Well, where do you focus? There's two camps here. I think you correct me if you think I'm

00:58:14.720 wrong. Camp number one is focus on what you're good at. Like I'm good at this. This is my game.

00:58:21.200 My game is physical. It's physical. It's, it's strong. It's like smash and pass. Like that's my game.

00:58:30.540 Yours Kip is not that it's a different game. So one camp says, well, I just,

00:58:34.980 need to double down on that. The other camp is just experiment, try all the new things and do

00:58:40.560 things different. And I don't know if it's one or the other. I think it's probably a combination

00:58:45.900 of both, man. If I can smash and pass, but I can also be clever and a little sneaky with some of my

00:58:52.840 moves, then by all means, here's one thing I consider too. Like I'm kind of like built like a

00:58:59.780 little bit of a ball and I'm not very stretchy. I'm not very flexible. I don't have long limbs.

00:59:05.640 Like I'm built like a ball or a block. And so like, you know, having, let's say here's,

00:59:14.220 here's one that you've actually done to me. Let's say I'm mounted on you. You will sneak out

00:59:21.560 be underneath, put your feet in my armpits from behind and then sweep me. Yeah. That's not, 0.98

00:59:30.420 that's not a reality for me. Like that's not going to happen. Cause my legs are like,

00:59:37.840 they're literally like a third, the size of my body. They're, I'm not going to reach your armpits

00:59:42.960 with my legs. It's just not going to happen. But I want to know that so I can defend against it.

00:59:48.920 And I can really work on improving my game. So what I would think, and what I've done as a blue

00:59:53.900 belt is how do I develop my game by incorporating other things that I haven't thought of and considered

01:00:03.100 or tried. And I've really been making, trying to be more conscious. Um, and it's been a little bit of,

01:00:09.800 it's been a little while since I've trained, I need to get back to training, but being more conscious

01:00:14.140 about incorporating and experimenting with things that I'm not totally comfortable with.

01:00:20.700 I know that's not really an answer, but that's the best I can give. What do you think?

01:00:24.540 I think it's the answer. How's this? Are we training for worlds here? Right? Are we,

01:00:31.680 are we, is our strategy to beat Gordon Ryan in ADCC? If the answer's no, then the answer is exactly

01:00:42.860 what Ryan said, because that's what keeps you on the mat. That's what creates enjoyment, right? Like

01:00:48.920 I, I'm a huge fan of an author. His name is, um, uh, Folkman. He wrote a book called Extraordinary

01:00:55.200 Leader. It's one of my favorite books on leadership and the whole premise and, and the, their entire

01:01:01.000 book is actually based upon data, data points. It's not like opinions. It's just straight up data.

01:01:06.320 And based upon the data, when you look at your leadership competency, what should you focus on

01:01:14.380 improving? What you're already great at. Not your weaknesses. They say, take what you're great at and

01:01:22.580 become extraordinary in those things. And it's almost like cross training. You get really extraordinary

01:01:27.800 in something and guess what happens on your weak spots? They get better. But most importantly,

01:01:32.780 you will do it. Why? Cause you're already good at it. So there's already momentum. It was, it's what

01:01:38.260 keeps you on the mat. And so I personally feel you finding your style and, and nerding out is what

01:01:46.240 will keep you training because it excites you and it makes you enjoyable and you're more bought in.

01:01:51.520 So that's the answer because that's what keeps you innovating and growing and on the mats. If, if your

01:01:58.460 focus was moves that you hated and you thought they're stupid and I told you like, yeah, focus 0.99

01:02:05.060 on all those, you're going to probably quit. Cause that's what most people do in life when they have 0.99

01:02:10.140 to tackle the things that they're not really that great at. So figure out your game, figure out what's

01:02:15.000 interests you. Now, sometimes we'll nerd out and we'll go, Oh, I want to true up on this other area,

01:02:20.100 but have fun with it. Whatever that is, figure out where you're getting excited, where you can nerd out

01:02:25.980 on it. And that's actually what you should be doing. And there's, and that's, that's probably

01:02:30.660 the beauty of jujitsu that I actually don't think exists in other martial arts as much is styles.

01:02:38.340 It's fascinating to me. It's so interesting. It is. It's interesting. And, and you, and it's yours,

01:02:45.500 it's your blueprint. And it's weird. I have two primary professors. One is smash and pass Johnny.

01:02:54.520 I've, I've never tapped to pressure, but with him and he makes it miserable. He takes forever. He's

01:03:02.200 like lava. You just know it's coming forever. And there's nothing you can do about it. And it's just,

01:03:06.540 oh, just horrible. And then there's James Gardner and he's like water. I'm not even sure. He's like

01:03:16.040 air on me. I don't even know what's happening. He's just like around. And then all of a sudden I'm,

01:03:20.800 I'm tapping. Right. And it's like, that was magical. Like is a wizard. We call him a Jedi.

01:03:25.660 Right. And so, and I'm neither of them. I have some other version and, and I do silly things. And

01:03:32.380 at our gym, and I'm not saying this to sound cool or anything, but it just shows obsessions,

01:03:38.240 right. Is people all joke around a Kip Mora. They, they stopped calling it a Kimora. They call it a

01:03:44.200 Kip Mora because I, I won't stop trying to Kimora you from every possible position. Cause I don't know

01:03:50.600 why I'm just like nerding out about it, you know, and, and that's what makes it fun. So I think you're

01:03:57.780 spot on. The one that, the one that stands out to me, and I'm going to give you guys a little

01:04:02.980 pointer. If you ever roll with me, your chances of me submitting you to a, like a leg triangle is zero.

01:04:13.100 Like I will never submit you that way. Never. So here's the point. If you see me go for a triangle,

01:04:21.640 it's not for a triangle. I'm not trying to try it. Cause I can't, I won't, my legs are too short.

01:04:27.660 I will not triangle you, but you know what I'll do. I'll get you to back up and create some space

01:04:33.300 for me to either get up or for me to sweep you. Yeah. Like that's the only thing I'm doing from

01:04:38.240 that. I'm only like, I'm not, I know that about myself. I'm okay with that. Like, I'm not going to

01:04:43.320 do that, but I can do some other things from it. So I'm going to learn it, but apply it to my game.

01:04:48.500 So no triangle chokes from Ryan and a guaranteed elbow grind in the face. Whenever that opportunity 1.00

01:04:56.040 will present itself. That's early on. Just shush. That was early, dude. I hadn't even been

01:05:02.160 training for like three months. You like to roll that way. And I know it's in your, it's in your

01:05:07.100 blood. I would do it. If I can do it, if I can make somebody hurt, like if I'm laying there,

01:05:13.920 let's say we're, you know, like, like I'm in side control or something. Side control is not enough

01:05:20.280 for me. I want you to be in pain. Yeah. So my shoulder is going to be in your sternum. 0.60

01:05:25.280 My forearm is going to be across your carotid artery. Like the more pain that I can inflict 0.61

01:05:31.620 while you're laying there on your back. I've really take a lot of pleasure from that.

01:05:36.000 I know you do.

01:05:39.220 I don't get you in those positions though. So, all right. What's all right. One more.

01:05:43.500 What's next? Last one. All right. Sean, uh, Gimby. I just started a podcast. I'm pleased with how

01:05:50.760 it's going so far. Obviously just configuring to do the work is the key to long-term success.

01:05:56.560 Any tips or suggestions you might have things you wish you knew sooner tools, resources you like.

01:06:02.140 Just doing the work is not the key to long-term success, by the way. Like I need to clarify,

01:06:08.100 because what if you're doing the wrong work or what if you're burning yourself out because you're just

01:06:13.020 doing things that, you know, you're supposed to do, or you're going too hard, too early to go back

01:06:18.880 to jujitsu, Kip, if you and I roll and I'm like, I'm just going to do the work and I have to put in

01:06:25.140 a five or 10 minute round with you, but I gas myself in 30 seconds, I'm out. I'm done. You're

01:06:31.100 going to tap me quick. You won't tap me in 30 seconds, but man, from 31 seconds on, I'm going

01:06:38.280 to be in a world of hurt. So I think that's really important. And that is part of your answer to your

01:06:43.980 question is be smart about it. Be intelligent about it. Critically think and analyze what's

01:06:50.800 working and what isn't, what you have an aptitude for, what you enjoy, what you don't enjoy that you

01:06:55.960 can bring somebody else in. Hiring mentors, hiring coaches, watching what other people do and not

01:07:02.080 doing exactly what they do, but thinking, well, that guy does this and this guy does this. What

01:07:06.740 if I can incorporate and infuse the two? There's a really good book called Blue Out Ocean Strategy,

01:07:11.900 probably 25, 30 years old at this point. And he talks about Cirque du Soleil, which everybody

01:07:19.520 knows of now, but Cirque du Soleil is a blue ocean. And what he means by that, the analogy

01:07:25.180 is that we get into these markets where there's a bunch of red water and he calls that, if I

01:07:30.200 remember correctly, contested market space, right? If you got into a man's podcast, that's

01:07:36.560 a contested market space at this point. And so it's just a red ocean. There's just blood in

01:07:41.260 the water and everybody's just trying to get theirs and kill each other in order to get what

01:07:44.560 they want. A blue ocean is entirely uncontested. And usually what happens is you take elements

01:07:50.200 of red oceans and you combine the two to create an uncontested market space. So Cirque du Soleil

01:07:58.240 took elements of the circus, tried, proven, tested, done. Everybody's been to the circus. It's done.

01:08:06.220 It's red. And then they took theater and they merged the two. And so now you have the theatrical

01:08:13.380 presentation and performance of the circus. And you bring this into an organization like

01:08:17.500 Cirque du Soleil and they put on these incredible, you know, performances that is something that is

01:08:23.000 now, now it's a red ocean, but it wasn't when they started. Yeah. So you want to look at where

01:08:30.320 you're good and where you're not, and then just bring in elements of what other people might be doing

01:08:34.560 in a way that you can do it. Only you can do it to create an entirely new blue ocean.

01:08:40.800 I hope that gives you some pointers. What was that book again, Ryan?

01:08:43.660 Blue ocean strategy. Blue ocean strategy. That's very cool. I like that. Yeah.

01:08:47.740 I have to check it out. It's really good. You would, I'm surprised. I'm actually surprised

01:08:51.700 you haven't read it. You would eat that one up. Okay. Yeah. Add it to the list, to the many lists.

01:08:56.560 By the way, like this podcast, your podcast has primarily been my source of book reading for the

01:09:03.720 last eight years. Seriously. Like I can't have, we have so many great, you get like an amazing author

01:09:10.520 on. I'm like, love that guy reading that book. Oh, love that guy reading that book. Right.

01:09:14.940 Yeah. It's been great. We got some good ones coming up too. Ryan Hawk. He's been on the podcast

01:09:22.540 a couple of times. He's coming on. I'm interviewing him tomorrow. So it'll be several weeks before it

01:09:26.580 comes out, but he's got a great book coming out too. So love it, man. All right, man. Take us home.

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01:10:13.880 of course we had all kinds of references today. You know, one of my first experiences in order of man

01:10:20.340 was the uprising in Southern Utah, and it was profound. And I, I'll be honest with you. When you

01:10:27.900 stopped doing uprisings, I was kind of a little upset about it. Uh, I was one of the guys

01:10:32.760 are like, what are you kidding? That was the best thing ever. Right. And so I love

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01:10:51.140 spots there. You're not going to last long. Yeah. I think we have two left. So there you

01:10:55.960 go. Got to get on a quick super awesome event. All right. Thanks Kip. Appreciate you brother

01:11:00.080 guys. Really good questions. Sorry. We only got to like three of them. Uh, we'll do better

01:11:04.480 at that in the future. Stop rambling so much and get to more of your questions, but hopefully

01:11:09.900 we gave you some things to consider. That's what we want. I mean, I know Kip, that's my

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01:11:17.900 bit off, but our motive is to make sure that we give you what we know it. It's not absolute

01:11:23.040 truth with a capital T, but it's what we know. And hopefully it gives you something to consider

01:11:26.520 and something that improves your life. All right guys, we'll be back later this week until

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Order of Man - February 14, 2024

Moments of Self-Betrayal, Winning Where You Are, and Letting Go of the Man You Were ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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