Order of Man - NATE LEWIS ｜ Overcoming Injustice

00:00:00.640 It's hard to believe that in the year 2025, child sex trafficking is as prolific as it is today.

00:00:08.840 How is it that with all the laws, legislation, and even awareness that we're still dealing with the torment of sexual exploitation with our sons and daughters?

00:00:18.480 My guest today, Nate Lewis, has made it his life's work to combat and overcome the epidemic that is plaguing every corner of society.

00:00:26.100 And not only that, he is a huge proponent of finding your own mission and pouring all in on that, whatever it may be.

00:00:34.080 Today, Nate and I talk about the driving factors behind child exploitation, why you should address the societal injustices that you see in society today,

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00:01:12.240 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:01:16.460 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:21.420 Men of the Order, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.

00:01:26.260 My name is Ryan Mickler. As you probably already know by this point, welcome here, welcome back, and welcome for the first time.

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00:02:44.040 Let me introduce you to Nate.

00:02:45.300 He's the founder of The Innocent.

00:02:46.740 That's a nonprofit organization.

00:02:49.300 They're dedicated to protecting and preserving the innocence of children inside the U.S.

00:02:53.540 with a focus, unfortunately, on child sex trafficking, exploitation, and sexual assault.

00:03:01.460 He's got a background as an executive at a leading global anti-trafficking organization.

00:03:08.500 He's honed his expertise in international and domestic operations.

00:03:13.480 He's worked with local law enforcement agencies and also not only domestically but abroad.

00:03:19.240 And in 20 years of traveling and living abroad in more than 40 countries,

00:03:23.980 that has profoundly shaped his passion and understanding of human trafficking.

00:03:28.460 And these experiences have given him valuable insight into the global and domestic dimensions of trafficking,

00:03:34.140 exploitation, which obviously fueled his commitment to address these issues on a national level.

00:03:40.480 Through his leadership and tenure over at The Innocent,

00:03:44.460 Nate is instrumental in driving critical initiatives to create safer communities.

00:03:49.980 And he's got a very deep passion.

00:03:52.280 You're going to hear it in the podcast today for justice.

00:03:54.700 And of course, that experience that he has really positions him as a key advocate

00:03:58.860 in this unimaginable battle against child sex crimes.

00:04:06.820 Nate, what's up, man?

00:04:07.780 Thanks for joining me on the podcast today.

00:04:09.200 Yeah, absolutely, man.

00:04:10.620 Thank you for having me, man.

00:04:11.680 Good to see you.

00:04:13.340 It's good to see you too.

00:04:14.420 I'm looking forward to this conversation, but also at the same time,

00:04:17.260 I hate that we have to have this conversation.

00:04:18.860 It seems wild in 2025 that we're talking about this kind of stuff.

00:04:22.760 Yeah, you're right.

00:04:24.040 But I will follow that with, it's difficult to have these conversations.

00:04:27.600 It's more difficult to go through them.

00:04:29.340 And so it's important that we do have these conversations.

00:04:32.100 And so, yeah, yeah, I'll make it as easy as possible.

00:04:36.240 I'll try to keep this on a low level.

00:04:37.980 I don't want to cause everybody to go to therapy after this conversation.

00:04:41.440 I actually want that.

00:04:42.780 I wish people would wake up.

00:04:44.600 I wish, because look, the reality is, is that there's tens of millions,

00:04:49.560 if not hundreds of millions of men who talk about fighting against sex trafficking,

00:04:57.560 child abduction.

00:04:58.820 Again, I can't even wrap my brain around it.

00:05:04.100 You know, I probably could if I were to look in the history books because we weren't maybe

00:05:08.580 as civilized or maybe even righteous or just self-policing as we are currently.

00:05:15.880 But it's just wild to me, especially when I have kids.

00:05:19.780 You know, I have a daughter.

00:05:20.400 I've got three boys, obviously not as worried about the boys as I am about my little girl.

00:05:27.480 I just, how is this even possible that we're talking about child sex trafficking?

00:05:32.560 That seems so crazy to me.

00:05:34.420 I know.

00:05:35.140 Well, and you mentioned in wrapping your head around it, I hope we never do wrap our head

00:05:39.300 around it.

00:05:39.780 You know, the conversation between adults and children and united by sex should never wrap 0.56

00:05:45.060 our head around that ever.

00:05:46.140 And that's what makes it difficult.

00:05:47.540 Our brain can't actually connect that.

00:05:49.440 So yeah, it is a difficult topic.

00:05:52.180 I also think that we shouldn't just pass over boys.

00:05:54.940 And I think that it's important to educate, you know, as fathers, you know, like how do boys

00:05:59.100 treat girls? 0.99

00:05:59.760 You know, we see tons of boys asking girls to send them nude photos, you know, and that's

00:06:05.060 exploitation.

00:06:05.880 And so it may not be that your son's going to be the victim of it, but your son might potentially

00:06:10.760 be the one that's kind of leading that behavior.

00:06:14.680 You're not saying your son specifically, our sons in general, boys in general, you know?

00:06:18.840 And so, yeah, there's, there's a lot to unpack, but it is, it is, it is shocking that we have

00:06:24.600 to have this conversation.

00:06:25.780 And I do have ideas of why we're there and things that probably progressed, you know, all

00:06:32.880 this that's occurring this day and age, you know, but like you said, it's been going on

00:06:37.560 a long time.

00:06:38.780 If, if I had to guess without being in the world that you are, um, it's just a proliferation 0.65

00:06:45.180 of sexual exploitation.

00:06:48.160 I mean, we're talking about pornography and, um, basically that's it.

00:06:53.440 Pornography and the sexualization of, of modern culture, whether it's entertainment or media

00:06:58.900 or whatever it might be, um, I actually had a really good conversation with one of my boys

00:07:05.060 just the other day.

00:07:06.060 And I said, Hey, uh, let's talk about pornography for a minute.

00:07:11.580 Yeah.

00:07:12.120 And we talked about, and I said, what, what do you know about it?

00:07:14.700 What, like, have you seen it?

00:07:15.920 And are you exposed to it?

00:07:17.540 Are you, are you wrestling with it?

00:07:19.100 He's about that age that I was when I was introduced to pornography, but it was, it was

00:07:23.720 magazines for me, not this.

00:07:26.340 Right.

00:07:27.720 And I think that's one of the bigger challenges, but I said, do you know why that's so bad?

00:07:32.380 He's like, no, not really.

00:07:33.720 And he wasn't being like combative.

00:07:35.520 He just didn't understand.

00:07:36.480 And I said, well, part of it is that it rewired, it literally rewires your brain.

00:07:40.800 We have studies that show that it rewires your brain to start thinking about women from

00:07:45.200 an objective standpoint that they are an object and no longer a human being that has emotions

00:07:52.240 and desires and dreams.

00:07:55.420 Yeah.

00:07:55.820 And he's got a, he's got a girlfriend himself and she's, you know, a cute young lady and

00:08:01.220 like, you've got a girlfriend, you need to treat her like the young lady that she is.

00:08:06.820 We don't need to objectify her.

00:08:08.540 But also I have to have my conversation with my boys about, and my daughter about when it

00:08:14.820 is healthy because it is healthy.

00:08:17.740 Like to be sexually and physically attracted to the opposite sex is a healthy thing. 1.00

00:08:23.320 So it's a really weird line to walk with my young children.

00:08:27.560 It is.

00:08:28.720 It is.

00:08:29.300 Well, and I'm glad you bring up that it is a healthy thing, but there's health, healthy

00:08:32.800 behaviors.

00:08:33.680 So humans all have a relationship with sex.

00:08:36.280 They don't all have a relationship with drugs or whatever, but there is some sort of relationship

00:08:40.380 with sex, whatever that looks like for people.

00:08:43.160 And so I think that it's important to have those conversations because it's true.

00:08:46.500 What I believe pornography does though, is it takes away that intimacy and that desire

00:08:50.440 and the things that you're seeing is creating a false reality of what intimacy is or your

00:08:54.940 partner is.

00:08:55.760 And there's no connection there really.

00:08:57.700 And, and it's the dopamines.

00:08:59.140 We could get into the science behind the dopamines that are occurring similar to drugs, you know,

00:09:03.280 and what that's doing and how the hits don't hit as hard.

00:09:06.380 So you're searching for new things that are going to give you that fix and that type of thing.

00:09:10.120 And, and just the access to pornography, like you were mentioning, used to be a magazine

00:09:14.400 that my buddy's dad had in the closet.

00:09:16.200 Right.

00:09:16.540 And now it's like anyone could find it anywhere at any time.

00:09:19.860 So access the restrictions, there's hardly any restrictions, you know, on it.

00:09:24.420 So it's, it's, um, we're, it's a monster for sure.

00:09:28.400 And I do believe it is the gateway to a lot of people's addiction, to be honest with you.

00:09:33.180 And like digital addiction, you know, Ryan, here's the, here's the interesting thing.

00:09:36.300 I hope people understand that they don't think like, Oh, well, it's not actually

00:09:40.100 raping a child, you know, sorry.

00:09:41.600 I hope that word didn't trigger algorithms, but it's not that it it's, it's the, usually

00:09:46.540 the stepping stone, right?

00:09:47.700 It's an entry point because it's a digital addiction that eventually could potentially

00:09:52.180 become a physical addiction, right?

00:09:54.640 Um, and the algorithms that are pushing younger content are forcing you to go younger.

00:09:59.640 Now I'm not saying everyone, right?

00:10:01.800 But potentially there are people who go, how the heck did I get here?

00:10:05.540 I'm looking at like, you know, girls under the age of 20 now, like what?

00:10:10.660 I started with a grown woman, you know?

00:10:13.660 So there's a, there's a lot to unpack there as well.

00:10:15.940 You know, like, where are the restrictions?

00:10:17.600 Like Hollywood at one point said, well, we should probably put ratings on our films,

00:10:21.460 R, PG-13, PG, G.

00:10:23.700 And at some point I had to like have my adult parent let me into an R-rated movie or whatever

00:10:29.180 accompanied by them.

00:10:30.760 There's none of that going on in the internet right now.

00:10:33.660 There's none of that and we'll get into hopefully talk about the social media and how they're

00:10:38.120 enabling in the, you know, the risks and fears for children, what they're faced with in the

00:10:42.640 digital world that we live in today.

00:10:45.340 Well, I don't, I just don't think people care.

00:10:47.520 I don't, I don't know if it's sexually driven for a lot of people or if it's just a financial

00:10:51.580 decision.

00:10:52.380 It's, it's now become a commodity more than anything.

00:10:55.880 Uh, you know, I, I think for example, I have organizations that reach out to me that

00:11:01.360 want to want me to advertise their alcoholic beverage of choice, or I've had multiple, uh,

00:11:07.940 companies that, um, offer gambling services where you can bet on what, whatever you want

00:11:15.360 to bet on presidential elections, the latest college game, uh, who's going to break up with

00:11:21.900 who?

00:11:22.300 I mean, you name it.

00:11:23.140 And I'm not going to promote that.

00:11:27.140 Now these companies will pay me thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars.

00:11:32.260 I'm not going to promote it, but it's pretty tempting when you start to get the financial

00:11:37.780 incentive, uh, sprinkled into the equation.

00:11:40.800 Yeah.

00:11:41.560 That's temptation.

00:11:42.500 You're right.

00:11:42.980 It is.

00:11:43.540 Well, good for you for standing strong in your beliefs, man.

00:11:46.940 That's, that's honorable.

00:11:48.600 Thanks.

00:11:49.560 A lot of people don't.

00:11:50.420 Um, yeah, I, I, it's frustrating because not only do we know it's not good for us and

00:11:57.380 I've, I've, I've fallen to those temptations before I've been open about my alcohol addiction

00:12:02.600 in the past and things like that.

00:12:04.280 I've fallen into those temptations, but I can acknowledge that they don't serve me or

00:12:08.640 the community at large.

00:12:10.820 Yeah, I get it.

00:12:12.360 And it's not legal behavior either.

00:12:13.800 So, I mean, that's part of the difference as well.

00:12:15.920 Yeah, man.

00:12:18.300 Yeah.

00:12:18.880 Wow.

00:12:20.420 A lot to unpack here, man.

00:12:23.800 I don't even know where you want to go with this, to be honest with you.

00:12:27.500 Well, I guess the biggest thing is this is the most pressing question and this is one

00:12:32.680 I usually save for the end.

00:12:34.560 But I think at this point with what you guys are doing, um, Operation Underground Railroad,

00:12:40.300 which I understand if correctly, you started with Tim Ballard.

00:12:44.360 Is that, is that right in this line?

00:12:45.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:12:47.460 You know, I met him through Jim Caviezel.

00:12:49.560 I worked with Jim.

00:12:50.420 Still, I just got off the phone with Jim.

00:12:51.900 He played Tim in The Sound of Freedom.

00:12:54.560 Right.

00:12:54.900 Okay.

00:12:55.200 That's how you guys got introduced.

00:12:56.740 Yeah.

00:12:57.300 Yeah.

00:12:57.660 It was through Jim.

00:12:58.220 Jim's one of my closest friends.

00:12:59.360 I worked with Jim for 20 plus years.

00:13:01.460 We can still continue.

00:13:02.680 I remember him from Count of Monte Cristo, man.

00:13:05.400 Yeah.

00:13:05.520 Like old school days.

00:13:07.100 I love that movie, man.

00:13:08.600 It's a great movie.

00:13:10.180 Yeah.

00:13:10.360 Well, Jim's been influential in my life on many different levels, but obviously it was

00:13:13.980 on that movie.

00:13:14.640 He's like, calls me like, you know, you need to come down to Columbia.

00:13:17.800 I'm playing this guy.

00:13:19.480 This is what it's about.

00:13:20.500 And I was like, what?

00:13:21.660 And so then my wife and I kind of started following what was going on.

00:13:24.900 And then it was through-

00:13:25.700 What were you doing before though, Nate?

00:13:27.140 Yeah.

00:13:27.520 So I worked in film and television for 20 years.

00:13:29.980 I had my own.

00:13:30.840 Started out, you know, at the bottom, worked hard, had some luck, and ended up working for

00:13:35.060 a couple of actors.

00:13:35.820 And I ran basically their brand, kind of was the CEO of their production companies, whatever.

00:13:40.180 And then I started my own and started adapting stories and screenplays.

00:13:43.560 I always loved the true stories that kind of impacted me, Schindler's List or whatever,

00:13:48.480 as a kid.

00:13:49.080 And I was like, man, I'm going to film school.

00:13:50.680 I want to impact people, you know, with true stories.

00:13:53.460 Little did I know, it would take a huge turn later in life.

00:13:57.540 I'd be impacting people with true stories of unfortunate events that occurred to human

00:14:01.460 lives.

00:14:01.580 Horrific events.

00:14:02.460 Yeah.

00:14:03.600 And so eventually, I kind of just, my wife and I, after I went and met with Tim and several

00:14:10.520 people back then in the organization, it was just 25 people, still kind of small.

00:14:16.180 And there were some amazing people, but it was also really the mission of what was going

00:14:22.940 on.

00:14:23.200 And so, yeah, I went and worked with them.

00:14:24.300 And then here's a cool story, man.

00:14:26.140 I think it's cool, at least.

00:14:27.760 My first real kind of deployment was four months in.

00:14:30.480 I went to Northern Africa.

00:14:32.220 And, you know, we were dealing with some pretty disgusting things, child sacrifice, witch doctors, 1.00

00:14:38.160 and meeting some of these children.

00:14:39.940 Child sacrifice?

00:14:40.600 Yeah, child sacrifice.

00:14:42.600 And that was like my real deep dive into all this.

00:14:46.020 And this is kind of a beautiful story in the end.

00:14:48.580 But this home who was taking care and healing these children who had survived, first and

00:14:54.720 foremost, the fact that they survived.

00:14:56.860 But that day is profound for me.

00:14:58.820 It's February 28th, 2021.

00:15:00.600 I won't forget the date.

00:15:02.260 Because I went through some things.

00:15:03.660 I've been through some things in my life.

00:15:05.040 I've been kidnapped in my own self.

00:15:06.700 I've been abused.

00:15:07.380 I've been physically abused, sexually abused.

00:15:10.520 There's a lot there.

00:15:11.700 But I kind of had buried it and moved past it.

00:15:14.660 When I went there, I unpacked so much.

00:15:18.160 And I remember sitting in my hotel just like feeling all these emotions that shouldn't be

00:15:22.320 happening at the same time.

00:15:23.500 But I never felt this level of anger and hate.

00:15:27.160 It occupied my body.

00:15:28.240 And I didn't want it.

00:15:28.800 I wanted it out.

00:15:29.860 I was pissed, man.

00:15:31.180 Like, how could people do this to children?

00:15:33.620 And that was really the turning point for me in my life.

00:15:36.180 It was like this evil that exists, and I'm here, and I'm going to spend the rest of my

00:15:41.320 life attacking it.

00:15:42.880 And credibly, this girl that was there, her name was ******, she had been taken.

00:15:49.120 I don't want to share all the details.

00:15:50.280 It's kind of horrific.

00:15:51.800 Anyways, she's not able to move.

00:15:54.020 Share what you can.

00:15:54.260 I mean, people need to hear this stuff, even though it's uncomfortable.

00:15:57.420 But share what you can, and in respect to her as well.

00:16:00.080 Yeah.

00:16:00.580 Well, you know, this is all out there.

00:16:02.740 So I don't think it's wrong for me to share some of this information that's already been

00:16:07.900 out there.

00:16:08.200 But she was taken at a young age.

00:16:10.600 They used, I'll spare some parts.

00:16:12.680 It's just too graphic.

00:16:13.940 But they did drain her blood for a long time, so she got lack of oxygen to the brain.

00:16:19.060 What we know is several palsy kicked in.

00:16:22.040 She didn't grow normally.

00:16:23.420 Her body, you know, was paralyzed.

00:16:25.560 She can't really talk or move.

00:16:28.260 Body just is different, you know.

00:16:30.800 And the beautiful thing about-

00:16:33.000 They drained her blood? 0.71

00:16:34.600 Yeah.

00:16:35.040 Like, is that a common practice to inebriate, for lack of a better term, the victims?

00:16:42.180 Well, part of it, it's for-

00:16:44.060 They think it brings goodwill in these countries.

00:16:46.920 It brings some kind of benefit to them, maybe good luck or fortune or whatever it may be.

00:16:51.580 It's a hocus pocus, man.

00:16:53.220 It really, truly is.

00:16:54.140 Are they consuming their blood?

00:16:56.580 I don't know the details on this one with her and what they were using it for, but most

00:17:01.000 of it's for, like, a ceremonial thing.

00:17:03.860 Got it.

00:17:04.320 Ritual.

00:17:04.960 Sure.

00:17:05.440 Okay.

00:17:05.760 Yeah.

00:17:06.280 Genitals, all types of things. 0.94

00:17:08.160 But through this, though, I think it's important to know that, man, her smile was so incredible.

00:17:15.740 Still, to this day, like, her smile was so inspiring to me, filled with joy, her presence, this energy,

00:17:21.980 and just, like, physically, audibly, everything just exuding from her was just shocking to me

00:17:28.080 and just so inspiring.

00:17:29.640 I just adore this girl.

00:17:31.140 Well, here's the interesting part.

00:17:33.580 And now, here we are 18 months later.

00:17:35.680 I wasn't able to keep up a whole lot, because I'll tell you why I started my organization.

00:17:39.900 But yesterday, I was reunited with her.

00:17:44.100 She got to come to my house. 0.99

00:17:45.960 Then my wife got to meet her.

00:17:47.240 We were able to serve these people food, the team from this country, and really the people

00:17:53.160 who have been with her from the beginning.

00:17:55.540 And I never thought that was coming.

00:17:57.240 I got a text on Friday, like, hey, we're going to be in the area.

00:17:59.740 Wow, man, just a reminder of my why, and just this beautiful smile.

00:18:06.600 And not only that, like, my wife doesn't, at one point, stop to, like, ask, hey, stop 0.97

00:18:11.360 sharing some of this stuff.

00:18:12.880 Like, we don't both need to be in therapy, you know?

00:18:15.900 And so she... 0.97

00:18:16.920 Wait, she says you should stop sharing?

00:18:19.660 Yeah, at some point, you know, because, you know, years ago, I'd be like, oh, man.

00:18:23.500 She was like, what's wrong?

00:18:24.220 I was like, oh, there's this thing.

00:18:25.520 Oh, sharing with her.

00:18:26.480 Sharing with my wife, all this stuff.

00:18:28.460 You know, for years, there's a lot of darkness and sadness, right?

00:18:33.080 And at one point, she's just like, man, we're both carrying this way.

00:18:35.780 I'm here to be with you and support you, but this is heavy.

00:18:40.160 I don't know if she was ready to handle it.

00:18:42.180 You know, a lot of people aren't, man.

00:18:43.480 Let's just be honest.

00:18:44.760 And I need her healthy and positive as well.

00:18:48.340 And so it just made sense.

00:18:50.240 I still share some things.

00:18:51.500 She knows, like, there's days that just, there's things that just get me for a couple

00:18:55.120 days, and she'll understand that.

00:18:56.920 And I'll share to a certain extent, and I'll hold a lot of things back, but she doesn't

00:19:01.160 really get to be part of the mission in the sense of, like, see it firsthand, right?

00:19:05.620 But yesterday, she kept her.

00:19:06.680 Well, it sounds like she would, but maybe not as anxious to be involved as you.

00:19:10.760 That's not an indictment against her or anything else, but.

00:19:13.500 No, not at all.

00:19:14.260 No, she's a nurse. 1.00

00:19:15.500 She's taken care of people for years. 0.55

00:19:17.680 You know, this is what she does is take care of people. 1.00

00:19:19.940 But, man, to see her transformation and see her truly just get to be part of the mission

00:19:26.040 and see the effect of the time and the stuff that we get to be, and just to see her serve

00:19:31.540 these people and these family and give, like, going on a mission trip, but at home, in a

00:19:35.740 sense, it was just so beautiful.

00:19:37.340 And to get her to come by, kind of be a part of the mission, it was just a, it was beautiful.

00:19:41.420 And then just to reunite with, you know, she really, truly, I've talked about her on tons

00:19:45.400 of podcasts, and I talk about her a lot, because she's so near and dear to me.

00:19:48.560 How could you, first and foremost, be put through so much, just, and a lot of these

00:19:55.020 children that were there that day, horrificness in your life, like, change your life physically.

00:20:00.820 I mean, you can't do anything on your own, it's a **** story, and just to have so much

00:20:06.120 joy, I don't understand where that comes from, but I want it.

00:20:10.640 And so she has taught me, one, what do we need?

00:20:16.740 Human interaction, we need relationship, we need people caring and loving, and she may

00:20:22.060 not have a lot, and on the outside, she might look broken, but on the inside, she's full

00:20:26.160 of so much, man.

00:20:27.980 And the fact that I got to reunite with her after four years yesterday was pretty incredible

00:20:33.220 for me.

00:20:33.620 So anyways, thanks for letting me share.

00:20:35.020 She's my why.

00:20:36.260 There's so much evil out there.

00:20:37.940 That day, back in February in 2021, I made a declaration to fight evil for the rest of

00:20:43.320 my life, you know, to complete different transformation from 20 plus years ago, and people ask, how'd

00:20:48.400 you get here?

00:20:48.920 Well, it's a long story, a long journey through my own experiences in life, but man, just facing

00:20:54.620 so many evil, and that was only the beginning.

00:20:56.460 There's been tons since then, but man, I hold somewhere special in my heart for her, and I

00:21:02.040 hope that she can continue to inspire me and others through her story to really want to get

00:21:07.300 involved with crushing evil that exists, that people are trying to ruin lives.

00:21:13.260 So how do we intervene and get to be part of that, man?

00:21:17.580 Let me ask you a question about this, and I really don't want to be insensitive, but this

00:21:22.360 is a question that I hope you've never got before, because I want to be thoughtful in

00:21:28.320 what I'm asking, but it's also sensitive.

00:21:30.880 With a young lady, I don't know how old *** is, but a young lady like ***, and I've seen 0.99

00:21:37.560 your logo, which is, from where I sit, an obvious nod to the cross of Jesus Christ.

00:21:44.960 Is that accurate?

00:21:46.620 Let me tell you a little bit about the logo.

00:21:48.460 Tell me about that, because I want to follow up on this question.

00:21:52.860 Yeah.

00:21:53.860 Hey, man, I have my own way of getting through hard times, and I'll just be honest.

00:22:00.000 I don't know where else to find strength, to be honest with you, and I don't know where

00:22:03.800 else to find peace and joy, and I've never publicly even stated that, but every single

00:22:09.700 day, I have to put on armor, and for me, where that armor comes from is I have to get into

00:22:14.620 the word to really refocus me from the chaos that I endure throughout the day, and so the

00:22:21.200 logo truly at first came to me, because at first it was a different name.

00:22:25.440 We were Innocence Rescue Mission, and it was sitting in a church.

00:22:29.320 I know people are going to probably come after me for this, but this vision came on me, and

00:22:33.220 it really changed the name, but it was really, in a split second, it was The Innocent, and

00:22:37.880 I went, whoa, The Innocent.

00:22:39.340 There's no way The Innocent is not available, or is available, but then I saw the T.

00:22:44.900 With the I dot over the T, and I literally saw the logo.

00:22:49.580 I literally saw that logo.

00:22:50.980 I was like, oh, that's cool, and then when I went home, first of all, I didn't leave.

00:22:55.960 I told my wife, I'm like, go get the kids, and I sat down.

00:22:58.260 I went right on to buy the website.

00:22:59.700 It was available.

00:23:00.300 I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

00:23:01.740 It's TheInnocent.org.

00:23:03.320 Isn't that such a great feeling when you have this idea, and you go on, and it's available?

00:23:07.440 I've got like a thousand domain names that I own, but yours is significantly more righteous 0.97

00:23:11.900 than mine are, so mine are crazy and stupid, and some of them very inappropriate, so you're 0.98

00:23:17.980 a better man than I am. 0.99

00:23:18.960 Well, look, it wasn't even me, but I'll tell you, this was really kind of a cool part of

00:23:23.260 it.

00:23:23.380 When I went home, I grabbed my kid's Corolla marker and a piece of paper.

00:23:26.460 I was like, I've got to kind of draw that thing that I saw, and so I drew it with this

00:23:30.780 marker, and you can even see on our logo, it's not a straight line.

00:23:34.040 When I had designers trying to make it square and all this, I was like, no, you've got to get

00:23:38.940 rid of the perfections, it has to be imperfect, right?

00:23:42.280 But really, it came to life, and I'm not an artistic, like I don't draw, but that was

00:23:47.760 the first version that's the same version that we use today, and it really, to me at

00:23:51.240 that point, my kids said this, they're like, hey, that looks like a kid, and I was like,

00:23:55.020 you're absolutely right.

00:23:56.140 It does look like a child.

00:23:57.480 You know, this little image is like a little child, and that's truly who we're here to

00:24:01.140 work for is The Innocent, and so when I say, oh, hey, I'm Nate with The Innocent, I work

00:24:05.180 for The Innocent, it's not an organization that I work for, it's actually The Innocent

00:24:09.680 Children, and I could go on about, you know, our mission is to protect and preserve the

00:24:13.760 innocence of children in the United States.

00:24:16.220 I see in my own children, and I'm sure you do too, this, what is innocence?

00:24:21.660 You know, like we have to start looking at what is that, and then seeing it in our children,

00:24:25.940 it's this amazing, beautiful trust in things, and this belief, the sense of wonder.

00:24:31.720 Or I see it in my kids all the time, you know, and they're just curious or wonder, they'll

00:24:35.540 believe anything, and they haven't been betrayed and hurt, they don't carry baggage with them,

00:24:40.660 and I think that that, as a commodity, that innocence is probably the most precious gem,

00:24:46.860 you know, our commodity on the planet, and what are we doing to preserve it?

00:24:50.660 We're preserving national parks and all these monuments and certain things, but, you know,

00:24:54.980 when are we going to start prioritizing our children?

00:24:57.680 And it's not just our children, it's the innocence of our children.

00:25:00.500 And so I love that you asked me about that, and I have never been asked, I might have

00:25:05.480 been asked like in passing, or just like on a Zoom call, but never publicly, but I'm

00:25:12.620 pretty proud of that, because it just came to me, man, really, it's really just, people,

00:25:17.420 when they ask me whatever, I just say, well, the, I, innocent, but here's another cool thing,

00:25:22.300 the T, the I and the T, is really, the T is the beginning and the end, and the I is right 1.00

00:25:27.900 in the middle, and for whatever that means, I don't know, but there's so many different

00:25:31.500 significant things.

00:25:33.620 I don't think that I really thought about like Jesus on the cross, maybe there was a

00:25:37.280 moment where it was like, symbolize the cross, and people have come, like asked me, like,

00:25:42.140 well, is that a cross?

00:25:43.380 I was like, no, actually, I got rid of Innocence Rescue Mission, because people were confused

00:25:47.280 me with some sort of a religious affiliation, which we're not, you know, and so, and the

00:25:53.520 rescue was part of the name, and they're like, everything became about a rescue, and we're

00:25:57.500 not about, solely about a rescue, we're about preventative, and so, not even about arrests,

00:26:02.960 but how do we increase conviction rates and sentencing?

00:26:05.680 We're going into law enforcement and teaching them how to build the best cases, and now we're

00:26:09.800 going into the people and educating them and equipping them, and how are they going to be

00:26:14.480 loud, and the voices, and hold people accountable in office, and there's a lot more coming from

00:26:19.020 all of it, but great question, thank you for asking, yeah, it's what it is now, there's

00:26:27.360 no going back, I guess, at this point.

00:26:29.900 I like it, man, it's a lot of symbolism, no, but you know, there's another question I

00:26:34.080 wanted to ask, and man, it's kind of a sensitive one, and I'm really curious what you say about

00:26:38.520 this, and I hope it comes out the way that I intend it, do you think a young lady like 1.00

00:26:44.440 with your spiritual conviction, it sounds like, do you think there's people like her, and

00:26:53.760 maybe others, that are supposed to go through things like this in order to help others, like

00:27:02.640 is that her mission?

00:27:04.540 Wow, wow, wow, you just, you went there, and that's, that's a beautiful place to go to,

00:27:11.040 man, you know, I've questioned so many things about my life, and just life in general, and

00:27:17.220 people question faith, and spirituality, and why God would do this, and allow these things

00:27:22.720 to happen, and you know, that's a, that's a great question, I think I get asked a lot.

00:27:29.360 I have no doubt the things that God allowed me to go through in my life gave me the fuel

00:27:34.640 that I needed to pursue what I'm doing now, to hopefully protect children, so they don't

00:27:39.940 have to go through certain things, so in my own circumstance, I can say, for me, I do

00:27:46.040 think that it allows me to, to have, have a purpose, and maybe even a deep passion for

00:27:53.700 what I do now.

00:27:55.040 There's been so many things I've questioned, even my own family with health things, and

00:27:58.680 things like that, but the reality is, is, is, I, I think where I've come to with all

00:28:03.700 this is, you know, life is such a short time, I don't even care if you live 100 years, when

00:28:11.280 you're talking about eternity, which I don't really know how we can get into the real deep

00:28:15.860 conversation about time, and what that is, but when you're talking about eternity, and

00:28:20.940 everybody gets so hung up with what's right here on earth, and in our time, and in our

00:28:26.600 life, and we think that that's what's the most important thing, and we don't know, we don't

00:28:31.740 really, I don't know, personally, I have, can believe certain things, but I hope, I hope

00:28:39.020 that one day, never has to suffer for eternity, right, and that seeing those, those instances,

00:28:47.720 even in my own wife, you know, for the first time, and I saw a physical change, an emotional

00:28:54.040 change, there's, there's individuals, even in my kids, they didn't meet, but I did explain

00:29:00.080 to them, I didn't get too graphic, but where do we stop taking for granted everything about

00:29:06.640 our life, all the little things, the, the, you know, and I'm not talking about comparing

00:29:11.760 our life with other people, because that's a, not a good place to go mentally, but maybe

00:29:18.380 it's a reminder to how good we have it, because we forget how good our life is, and I hope and

00:29:23.880 pray that this time that has on earth, you know, the suffers, and the struggles, and you

00:29:29.880 know, these evil people that did this to her, hopefully they have to pay for eternity as well,

00:29:33.360 but I, I don't know if I can actually say that there's, that that's her mission, I don't

00:29:39.260 know, man, I struggle with that, I don't, I, I'm, I, I hate injustice, I hate that it's

00:29:45.640 so, feels so unfair, and so that's why I probably can't just declare it, because man, it doesn't

00:29:50.920 make sense, it actually pisses me off, to be honest with you, that somebody would do

00:29:54.520 this, and that somebody would have to go through that, live that life, but I do hold on to the

00:29:58.380 fact that maybe eternity, she's, she won't suffer, and that she gets kind of a, if, if there

00:30:03.880 is a heaven, you know, after a life, then she gets a free ticket in, and gets to live

00:30:11.540 in peace, man, and I don't know, that's a, that's a hard question to answer, to be honest

00:30:17.540 with you, because man, it just doesn't make sense, it just doesn't make sense, evil doesn't

00:30:22.180 make sense to me, either, you know.

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00:32:45.880 So, yeah, I mean, it's hard. I, I, I guess I, where I land is feeling like, you know,

00:32:52.400 maybe that wasn't her mission because those are people doing things to her. You know, 0.95

00:32:58.380 she didn't make those choices, but also I can't help but believe that she's uniquely qualified to

00:33:04.720 endure the hardships that she'll have to just like I am. And my hardships are different than hers and

00:33:10.640 hers might be more catastrophic in some ways. And maybe mine are, I don't know. I'm not going to

00:33:15.280 compare myself, but I do believe that somebody like her and others that I've heard stories of

00:33:21.660 and met personally are uniquely qualified and capable of handling it. That's my experience

00:33:30.060 anyways. Well, I don't, I don't argue with that because when you feel her joy and see her smile,

00:33:35.500 it's one of the most beautiful smiles there is. I mean, I don't know how, I don't know how,

00:33:41.420 but she carries that. And again, that's super inspiring to me. Yeah. And so maybe she was

00:33:46.940 equipped with that because I, Lord knows, I have no idea how she finds that incredible peace and joy

00:33:55.180 deep, deep, deep, massive joy. And I, and I want to say this, I don't want people to get hung up just

00:34:02.260 on the story. That's just one story. Sure. It's impacted me. And I love, I love her and I love

00:34:08.280 the whole thing. I want to continue to support her. And, and, but there's so many kids. She just

00:34:12.000 represents one of those many that are out there. And I said to her yesterday, whether she could

00:34:17.240 comprehend or understand. And I said to the team, like, because of her, I don't know what I'll be

00:34:23.300 able to do. Um, and we don't even try to care about stats, uh, to be honest with you, but I hope that I

00:34:30.580 can make impact. I hope I can protect more children. Uh, I hope I can crush more evil because

00:34:35.920 of the impact she's made on my life because she has. And, uh, if that was, I know she doesn't care

00:34:41.920 about that. Um, but if that was, you know, what she had to, you know, play a small part in my life 0.89

00:34:47.800 to be able to focus me on a mission, uh, then maybe that was part of the plan. Uh, it still doesn't

00:34:55.080 feel right. It still doesn't make sense, but I'm, I'm going to do what I got to do. And, uh, you know,

00:35:01.380 I'm not going to stop, you know, and she's part of that man. If I get bad thoughts and I get it

00:35:07.320 defeated and I get just beat down, all I have to do is picture that face, you know, and there's no,

00:35:17.760 I mean, it's almost instant. It's almost instant that changes the feeling inside from hate, anger

00:35:25.460 to joy. Like it just transfers. I don't know how to explain it, man. Oh, she's just so cool.

00:35:32.100 This is so cool. I just feel honored to be part of it, man. I think you explained it well, actually,

00:35:38.080 I, um, I do want to ask and maybe shift gears a little bit here and come back to it, but I want

00:35:42.820 to take a side street for a second. I know there's a lot of men who are listening to this podcast and

00:35:47.440 love what we're doing and love what you're doing and, and really resonate with the mission.

00:35:51.920 But I also know there's a lot of deeply unsatisfied men out there. Um, maybe they're in dead end jobs.

00:35:57.180 Maybe they're not happy with the relationship. Their career isn't going as they thought it would

00:36:00.780 10, 15, 20 years ago. And they have this idea and it's not to start the innocent. It's just to start

00:36:10.640 a side business doing welding or web design or, uh, do some mechanical work on the side, like

00:36:18.420 photography, whatever, name it. And they're afraid to do it because they've got a job and they've got

00:36:26.200 responsibilities and they've got a mortgage and they've got kids and a wife and they've got all

00:36:30.560 this stuff. You did too. I want to know about that where you had this, this calling, you,

00:36:39.180 you felt it, you believed in it. And I think it's easy to gloss over and say, well, yeah,

00:36:43.780 you just felt it. And then he did it. I'm like, well, hold on. There's a whole other slew of

00:36:48.740 chapters that happened between here's what I was doing. Here's what I felt. And here's what I'm doing

00:36:53.620 now. And I, I want to hear that story because there's a lot of guys in your boat, depending on

00:36:59.380 what they want to do, uh, moving forward with their lives. Well, first I think you mentioned fear

00:37:04.520 and fear is usually a common denominator when it comes to stopping people from doing anything.

00:37:10.920 And then there's courage, which is in the face of fear, you do it anyways. There's so much

00:37:16.560 comfort going on in the world right now. We want to be comfortable. We don't want to step outside.

00:37:22.500 We don't, you know, they're everything's, I mean, look at Amazon makes it easy for you to not have to

00:37:27.180 go to the store. You can order in the comfort of your own home. I think we get wrapped up so much in

00:37:31.700 the comforts of life that we don't push ourselves. And actually I've known this because I've traveled

00:37:37.660 for 20 plus years to 50 countries and lived in foreign countries. I know like being uncomfortable

00:37:43.160 is where I grew the most. And I would say that to anybody who's out there potentially exploring

00:37:49.440 the possibility is you may not know what's possible because you may, and this happened with me too,

00:37:55.380 you may have a direction that you think you want to go, but you think might be impossible. And then,

00:38:01.040 and you start taking those steps, you actually start going into another area that your brain

00:38:06.500 couldn't even fathom or comprehend to even come up with an idea. And it becomes even better than

00:38:12.120 what you thought. But what is the risk versus reward? That's somewhat how I would answer that is,

00:38:20.500 man, you're, you're, uh, you're going to sit and stay where you're at and feel the feelings that

00:38:26.420 you're feeling, or there's potential for you to step outside that push yourself, grow, uh, take risk

00:38:33.580 and maybe potentially be rewarded in, in many different ways. And I know I can go down that

00:38:39.660 list of things, but you know, there's, there's, there's, there's also something about just having

00:38:44.780 faith, um, to me. Um, and Hey man, I'm, I was scared to death, right? I just, you know,

00:38:51.920 wasn't sure I got this idea. That's another cool story is like, Hey, we could do this in the United

00:38:57.140 States. How am I going to do it? I don't know, but we're going to figure it out. That's the other

00:39:00.500 thing is when people have told me even going into Hollywood, like, Oh, good luck, man. You know,

00:39:05.320 it's almost impossible. I've never, ever, this is probably some of the best advice I can give.

00:39:11.660 I've never, ever, ever accepted. You can't do anything ever in my life ever. Like I, I think when

00:39:19.320 you accept that you can't, you won't, I think that it's more important to figure out how.

00:39:25.480 So when you can figure out like, and you might come to a dead end and I've done this many times

00:39:29.600 in my life, dead ends, try another route, dead end, go another angle, keep giving. And here's the,

00:39:36.720 here's the, here's the reality. Here's some good advice too, that I was given early on from a really

00:39:42.100 important person in my life. But, uh, going into Hollywood, he said, uh, look, here's the only advice

00:39:46.880 I'll give you never give up because I'll tell you when you give up, you just confirmed that you're

00:39:52.900 never going to make it happen. But if you never give up, there's always a chance that it could

00:39:58.340 happen. You still have the potential and the possibility of things happening. And, uh, that's

00:40:04.420 really how I look at it. I, I don't think there's ever an answer where you can't make it until you're

00:40:09.420 dead. You know, honestly, you can, you can do it. I, I just think you just can't accept the fact that

00:40:15.580 no, I can't, you just can't accept that. So just, so just find a way. You don't have to know

00:40:21.220 the answers. You don't have to know the, how you just have to start taking those steps

00:40:24.900 in that right direction. And it will happen. It will start to, and then as you take this step,

00:40:30.180 you'll realize, Oh man, I need to take those steps, which I didn't even know I needed to take

00:40:33.660 those steps because I wasn't here yet, but you got to just start, just take that first step.

00:40:38.780 Honestly. Hey, if worst case you can step backwards right into the spot that you're sitting right now.

00:40:44.300 Yeah. Easy. No problem. Yeah. I I've, I've had a question earlier today of like,

00:40:49.320 what's the number one trait that I would teach my son. And, um, I thought about it a little while

00:40:54.360 and I thought coachability, like the ability to adapt and evolve and grow and learn and be humble.

00:41:00.200 But then as you're saying this, I don't think I would change my answer, but a close second would be

00:41:07.300 grittiness. Like the ability to drive on and in face of adversity and face of setback to not be

00:41:15.820 deterred, to get beat up literally and figuratively and still charge forward. Man, that grittiness, I think

00:41:24.340 is something to be, there's something to be said for that. Yeah. Yeah. You just don't accept the loss.

00:41:30.760 You know, just keep going until you win. I believe it. Yeah. A hundred percent, man. I'll tell you a lot

00:41:38.140 of my life, my dad started as young. I grew up in apple farms and the orchards. And you know,

00:41:43.780 when I wanted a new bike, he was like, great, I got lots of work for you to do. You can make that

00:41:47.720 and earn that, you know, I remember having the worst jobs. You know, my brother who was older had

00:41:52.720 the easier jobs, but he already was there, you know? And, but I remember that worth that work ethic

00:41:57.720 being kind of instilled in me at a very young age is like, Hey, you want something, you can get it.

00:42:02.760 You just have to work for it. So at the end of the week, literally, and I was making like $2.50 an

00:42:07.060 hour or something back then doing the worst jobs. Um, at the end of the week, I saved up a hundred

00:42:12.260 bucks or whatever it was to go buy that fancy new bike at shucks, whatever it was, you know?

00:42:17.480 And I was like, and it was so cool, but it was the first time in my life. I was like, man,

00:42:20.940 I can have anything I want. I just have to work for it. I truly, I just got to work whatever it is.

00:42:26.040 If some things are bigger goals and bigger obstacles, you just got to work harder,

00:42:30.360 you know, but you can make it happen. You can do it. Just, I, and I do throw this in there.

00:42:34.800 Cause I do think this is part of it. People always ask me how in the world did you end up

00:42:37.820 working on the biggest movies in the world and about to go work on the next biggest movie and

00:42:41.580 working with all these people and all this. And I was like, look, it was a little bit of luck

00:42:45.100 and a lot of hard work. So there is a little bit of luck sometimes. And people want to say like,

00:42:49.380 Oh, you're so lucky. Oh, you're so lucky. No, actually there might've been a couple moments of

00:42:54.580 luck or coincidence. Right place, right time. Sure. Right. I call it fortune. You know,

00:43:00.600 like luck, luck is too dismissive. Fortunate events means to me, if I were to, if I were to

00:43:08.600 describe it, it means an opportunity presented itself and you'd done the work to position yourself

00:43:15.700 to take advantage of the opportunity. Luck is like, you just scratched a lotto ticket and you won $10

00:43:20.080 million. Yeah. Fortunate events is there was a really cool opportunity that was presented to you

00:43:26.180 and you were in the position to capitalize on it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Right. I agree.

00:43:33.840 Yeah. Let's go back to the, to the first question I asked because there's a lot of guys who are like,

00:43:40.540 yeah, no, I know this is a problem or I, I have my own problems that I want to address in the world.

00:43:45.200 And I, and I say, tackle it like you'd be, maybe you wouldn't be amazed, but a lot of people would

00:43:50.480 how often people tell me you should talk about this. You should do that. You should do this. And

00:43:56.280 my response is you should do that. Yeah. It's obviously important to you. I'm already doing

00:44:02.040 my thing. I'm pretty happy with what I'm doing. I'm pretty fulfilled. Like, I feel like this is a

00:44:06.400 worthy cause. You should do that. So what do you say to a guy who either wants to get involved in an

00:44:13.040 organization like yours? Um, and that's a worthy goal, of course, or maybe they have their own

00:44:19.800 desires and ambitions that are righteous and worth pursuing. Yeah. Well, I think you're absolutely

00:44:25.660 right. And we get asked this question a lot as like, Hey, you would know you should target these

00:44:29.460 or you should do that. And certain things are all criticized, you know, of course, of course.

00:44:34.020 And that's kind of what I would say is similar to you. I always say is like, Hey man, I will support

00:44:37.600 your nonprofit. As soon as you started, I'm here, I'll team up with you, coach you, however I can help you.

00:44:42.680 And whenever you want, but we figured out what works for us, we're going to do it.

00:44:46.020 And, and so those individuals, you know, I, I think that one, I always start with education and I

00:44:52.000 want to, I want to, I do want to talk about this because there's people like you mentioned,

00:44:54.460 want to get involved with our organization in a couple of months, we're going to have ways and

00:44:58.020 resources and things for the people to get involved. Um, and I would say that for me, it comes with

00:45:04.640 education first and foremost, I think you have to understand it and you got to look at the source of

00:45:09.480 education. You know, you can't just follow people on X or whatever and see what's being posted and

00:45:15.080 then just regurgitate whatever it is. You know, we try to be fact-based evidence-based. All of our

00:45:21.600 quotes are sourced by credible sources. Um, but really deep dive into the, the, what it is that

00:45:28.920 you want to do. And sometimes that's not just reading in a book. That means jumping into it,

00:45:33.680 right? Like me being thrown into the deep end and child sacrifice with witch doctors. And then just, 0.80

00:45:39.800 you know, you learn more. And I've always said that, like when I was in the film business, people

00:45:43.380 were like, how did you do it? Do I need to go to film school? I was like, look, I went to film school.

00:45:47.240 It was great. It was awesome. I learned a lot. And there's some things I did learn that were very

00:45:50.720 valuable, but man, when I got on sets, there comes the real experience, right? There comes the things

00:45:57.760 and the people and the relationships that you can ask questions and learn from so much more. And so that's

00:46:02.060 what I say is like, you have to just do it. You know, like you'd have to just start it. You have

00:46:06.280 to get in it. And there is a lot of educating you can do. Um, but again, please go to really good

00:46:13.120 sources to get educated. And we're going to have some of that for you, um, soon as far as getting

00:46:18.020 involved with, with what we do specifically, it's difficult for the people until, you know, coming soon.

00:46:25.000 All my team is law enforcement. So they're either active duty law enforcement. We have some

00:46:29.200 retired law enforcement who have tons of experience doing these undercover operations,

00:46:34.260 running operations, either from the military into law enforcement. Um, but they're training.

00:46:39.140 We're building task forces throughout the United States. So we'll go into a community and we'll

00:46:42.480 bring together, you know, several five, six departments, several of their top investigators

00:46:47.080 together to go through this course. We do a live training, live operations, and we put them through

00:46:51.880 a real live operation. We're just consultants, advisors as they go through it. So when we leave,

00:46:56.260 they can continue to do this work when we move on to another state. So in order to really get involved

00:47:01.860 with what we do up to this point, you kind of had to be in law enforcement. You know, you, you know,

00:47:06.760 we get tons of departments reaching out to us and we had 18 in one week and just January. And so those,

00:47:14.080 the reason why we go that route is I understand the heart of a vigilante. Look, we have that feeling

00:47:20.260 inside of us, right? Like we want justice. We want to go. We love people like that. We just got to temper it.

00:47:25.560 Yeah. Yeah. Well, channel that energy, right? Like the reality is law enforcement has way more

00:47:31.480 authority and abilities to do things that the civilians can't like. There's just way more they

00:47:37.180 can do. Right. And then just building these cases, um, uh, to avoid entrapment, building strong cases.

00:47:43.820 So up until this point, they really, you couldn't be involved unless you were law enforcement, right?

00:47:49.100 Now we're going into a new area. Well, this is where I'm going to kind of focus my time. And we want to,

00:47:53.440 we want to, we will soon have a way for people to really get engaged and I'll lay it out for them.

00:47:58.300 But again, it goes back to education. How do you get qualified education so that you're aware,

00:48:02.560 you know, and then how do you kind of spearhead in your community, these efforts. And then

00:48:07.260 instead of doing a 5k show up to your city council where actual change and impact can be made,

00:48:13.480 right? By the leaders that you elected. And if they're not prioritizing children,

00:48:18.120 you should consider maybe not reelecting them and you should kind of look at their track record,

00:48:22.360 running yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Empower the people because the people I think right now are confused

00:48:27.660 that those in office that they put in office have the power. Now they have power, but the people

00:48:33.480 also have the power. If you're not getting the results that you want, and we see this across the

00:48:37.900 board, um, prosecutors, judges, whatever. Yeah. I'm calling them out because not all of them

00:48:42.060 are like this, but you know, you see these cases that are built pretty amazing. The guys that

00:48:47.320 are teaching the courses cases, uh, that are pretty good getting six months in a County jail,

00:48:53.700 that's unacceptable. And you know what it does? It deflates the drive of the men and women in the

00:48:58.540 front lines of this battle. Right. And so who's holding them accountable? No one for fear of their

00:49:04.380 job. Right. So now I think it's time for the people to kind of come together and really start asking

00:49:10.900 why in the world are we not prioritizing our children? We've got drug task forces. I know you've got

00:49:15.200 seven officers doing that, but do you have anybody proactively doing this? I know you've got a

00:49:19.280 reactive person to a cyber tip or 911 call. My daughter was raped, but who's out there proactively

00:49:25.040 going after these to prevent this stuff from happening. Right. And why not? And why are these

00:49:29.900 cases? And now if they have a legitimate process excuse, like, Oh, it was a legal search and seizure.

00:49:36.560 There was entrapment, whatever. Some defense attorney is going to try that one. Right. But if the case

00:49:40.700 is solid and this guy showed up to rape a child, come on. Full extent of the law. Yep. Full extent 0.97

00:49:47.320 of the law. What is going on? And people want to talk about like, well, we need stiffer laws. That's

00:49:51.740 great. And we do have some stiff laws that could be stiffer, but if nobody's going to uphold those

00:49:55.780 laws, the laws don't mean anything. Right. And so that's where soon, um, you know, I hope people

00:50:01.940 would get on our website, the innocent.org sign up for our newsletter. Cause we're going to be able to

00:50:05.380 communicate. Cause I can't get to a lot of people through social media. Uh, if you want to really

00:50:10.680 know, and you want to stay up to date on the trends and certain things like that, this is where we're

00:50:14.300 going to be able to really, we train and equip law enforcement. Now we're going to train and equip

00:50:17.640 the people so that we can have a power across the United States to, from the bottom up and from the

00:50:22.880 top down, hopefully I'm trying to declare the war for innocence. The war on drugs started in the

00:50:28.060 Reagan's right now. I think we need to, we need to put as much time, energy resources and build task

00:50:33.740 forces, just like the drug task forces. There's no risk right now. And I think it's time that we

00:50:38.680 have to create some risk. We have to start training, uh, law enforcement and the red tape and the,

00:50:44.440 the, the resources, the lack of resources that's out there. The right now, the people are saying

00:50:49.400 enough and they just need the Avenue. Like, okay, well, if the resources, the problem, the people

00:50:53.920 are going to fund it, you know? And if there's all this red tape, they can't even get a laptop

00:50:57.860 to process evidence, a high, like gaming computer, unless it goes through a six month process.

00:51:03.740 Uh, and we'll do it in six minutes. If it'll already be the order, we'll be placed and in

00:51:07.700 delivery 48 hours later, that's red tape that we can just cut, but we have to start prioritizing

00:51:13.620 this. We have to, we have to look at it that way. Like, why are we not building task forces

00:51:17.260 to, to go out and get ahead of this? There's 46 million survivors of child sexual abuse in the

00:51:25.640 United States right now. This has been going on for a while. I don't see it slowing down,

00:51:31.460 especially with the access of 37 million teens on social media. These predators aren't going out

00:51:37.260 into the playgrounds and the millions of cameras that are surrounding our neighborhoods. They're

00:51:41.740 trying to hide their identity online. They're going to groom and manipulate. And it could 0.83

00:51:45.920 potentially start by sending photos or me or this individual sending a photo that's going to start

00:51:51.840 destroying the innocence of an 11 year old. And then we could go into the whole conversation around

00:51:56.260 social media enabling, introducing 51 year olds to 11 or 14 year olds, which is absurd.

00:52:01.260 There's so many things that are occurring right now. And then they potentially now will get them

00:52:05.960 to meet up. But why are, why are we not doing anything? Cause they don't even know where,

00:52:10.300 if you're not living in this world, you don't even know where to look. We are constantly learning.

00:52:14.940 I don't know where to go. Right. And you shouldn't. And I'm glad I don't. Right. You know,

00:52:21.000 if you're not doing this work constantly, you, you know, we're learning from these guys. Sometimes

00:52:25.180 they'll be like, Hey, let's jump over to here. Oh, how did you find this? So I was like, Oh,

00:52:29.760 have you been on so-and-so? Hey, there's a sub whatever here. And you just, if you're not living

00:52:36.160 in this constantly, you're not up to date with the trends and you have to, you have to have somebody,

00:52:42.040 basically this is all they do. They don't do fraud, which none of them want to. And I can

00:52:47.260 explain a little bit of that. It cut me off at any time, but I think this is also important.

00:52:51.420 First responders, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters, they, they approach

00:52:56.460 different, um, circumstances, but whether it's a fire or a car accident, when there's a child

00:53:03.620 involved, it's way more traumatizing to the individual. We know that, right? Um, you're dealing

00:53:09.720 with children. Makes sense. When you're dealing with children, a hundred percent of your cases

00:53:15.060 deal with children, innocent children that aren't choosing to go out and buy drugs or get involved

00:53:20.120 with gangs and that kind of thing. Like it's so hard on these men and women. And so eventually

00:53:25.580 in 2026, or maybe a little longer, we want to get a mental wellness program where we come

00:53:29.300 into departments. We have to start taking care of them because they're the turnover rate, but

00:53:34.000 the divorce rate, suicide rate, alcoholism, all those things, that's a whole nother area that

00:53:38.880 this kind of starts to affect. And I call it like the warfare that's going on out there

00:53:42.700 because if you aren't in the trenches 24 seven, uh, you're not going to be able to make as

00:53:49.700 much progress, but being in those trenches, man, you need the support system around you

00:53:53.280 as well. Um, it's a hard, hard, hard, hard deal to deal with. Even as a grown adult, I

00:53:59.120 can't imagine as a child dealing with some of this stuff, you know?

00:54:03.000 Well, and, and yeah, I even think about like with police departments, for example, I've

00:54:09.520 got, I've got close friends who are in, in law enforcement and have since retired from

00:54:14.680 law enforcement. I mean, these guys can't even get, uh, their, their, their chiefs or

00:54:20.380 their captains to foot the bill for some martial arts training, uh, once a week, you know?

00:54:26.880 And it's like, it's literally your job, physical confrontation. And, and what are you guys talking

00:54:34.360 about? Like, I don't even know technology. Like, I don't even know what you're talking

00:54:38.860 about over how to subdue a potential criminal, let alone now you're talking about creating

00:54:45.160 these additional task force for, um, child exploitation. It seems ass backwards. 0.55

00:54:53.700 Yeah. Like it's crazy to me. Well, that's where the top down needs to come. They need 0.95

00:54:59.200 the funding from the government to prioritize. Well, they have the funding, but we're spending

00:55:03.440 it on dumb stuff, man. Like, is that true or no? Oh yeah. Well, of course it is. I think 0.98

00:55:09.000 if you're not building task forces and prioritizing the training for law enforcement to go hunt 0.93

00:55:14.580 predators and traffickers, uh, I, I don't say the other stuff is dumb. I just think it's your 0.87

00:55:21.100 priorities are jacked up. Where are you spending money? You can't say it, but I'll say it. There's

00:55:26.240 probably two dozen cops here in my town, fairly small town, two dozen cops, give or take. And

00:55:31.460 they're pulling over soccer moms who are running late to drop their five-year-old off to soccer. 1.00

00:55:35.920 I'm like, bro, I can, I could show you eight drug houses right now. Like right now I can just

00:55:43.220 point there, there, there, there, and there. And you're pulling over soccer moms who are going 1.00

00:55:48.100 seven miles over the speed limit on state street. It's crazy to me. Yeah. It's so backwards.

00:55:54.260 Yeah. Well, and so, so just, so those street level cops, um, the, the level that we're dealing

00:56:00.720 with is the highest level of investigations. So these people are right. You know, they're

00:56:05.680 working, they're doing what they need to be doing. I get it. Right. And I'm not, and I'm not

00:56:10.680 beating those cops up. Like they're doing what they should be doing. I'm beating up the departments.

00:56:15.040 That's what I'm getting after. I get it. But also they need training school resource,

00:56:19.020 school resource officers also need training. They need to be able to identify this. Do you

00:56:23.400 pull somebody over? And if there's a child in the background that doesn't speak the same

00:56:27.080 language and it doesn't match up that that's your child or whatever, and some gives you

00:56:31.140 some story, maybe you should start questioning that, you know, like school resource officers

00:56:35.160 on the front lines inside of schools. Like they're, they're usually, if someone is going

00:56:39.040 to report something, it's going to be reported to them, or they're going to mention it. They

00:56:42.000 should know what to look for as well. That's what I'm saying. Why are we not prioritizing

00:56:46.100 this? I just, I don't understand it. And I think if the people get loud enough and demand

00:56:52.180 something to be done, maybe they'll take it serious. I hope they will take it seriously.

00:56:58.700 And so, yeah, there's a, there's, you know, gosh, man, it drives me nuts because there's

00:57:02.680 so much that could be done. It's not even like, oh, we got to come up with the idea. We've already

00:57:06.600 figured it out. We're, we're literally going into their neighborhoods. They get accredited

00:57:11.320 hours because you have to, as a law enforcement takes so many hours of training. They didn't even

00:57:15.820 have to like take that out of their budget. Now they actually free up their budget inside their

00:57:19.460 training budget. Here's the other thing. They don't have to build and pay for a task force because

00:57:23.260 it's five or six departments providing one or two or three individuals on a monthly or quarterly

00:57:29.480 basis, because it's really the guys back there on the computer that are building these cases,

00:57:34.380 building these cases to lead up to arrest day, you know, and, and, oh man, it's so easy to

00:57:41.360 channel and focus and redirect our energy and effort and resources. And then no one's doing it.

00:57:46.800 So I'm hoping.

00:57:48.000 But why is that? Why do you think that, is that just, is it laziness? Is it ignorance? Is it

00:57:54.360 bureaucracy or politics? Cause I've talked with several of my friends who, like I said, are in law

00:57:59.580 enforcement and have been for a very long time. And they say, once you get to the higher echelons of

00:58:03.440 law enforcement, you're no longer, um, you're no longer a peacekeeper, a police officer. You are

00:58:10.000 now a politician. Yeah. And yeah. Oh man. I can't even get into all those, but everything you just

00:58:19.240 said, honestly, it's, it's, uh, it's so complex. I don't know. It's, there's a lot to tackle inside

00:58:28.100 that conversation, but it is basically everything that you just said. Like it's all of it. Some

00:58:33.300 probably weigh a little more than others, but well, you know, we, we got, we, we can use the

00:58:39.420 excuse for funding for a certain amount of time, but then you have to fight for the funding,

00:58:43.800 you know, like we need this over this. Um, and so I, I don't know, man, I will say that I want to touch

00:58:52.400 on ignorance. And I deal with this more often than I wish I had to deal with from people who are

00:58:57.280 elected at the highest levels. And I have two different cases that are two different ways of

00:59:02.600 approaching it and dealing with it. I can literally sit in a room with somebody and say like, Hey,

00:59:06.880 this is what we do. It's all free to you. We can, we've already done some investigations. Here's

00:59:11.460 some evidence that we have of how many people hit up our ad in 10 minutes, 24 hours in one week.

00:59:16.620 Here's the conversations we're having this and that. And I'll get somebody's like,

00:59:19.640 nah, it's not happening. And then publicly say, ah, it's not happening. Then I could pull up.

00:59:24.460 I got to interrupt real quick. You say run an ad. What do you mean by that? Just generally,

00:59:29.480 I don't want to give away any trade secrets, but just generally.

00:59:31.980 Uh, it's yeah. There's places that exist that are just pay for sex, right? So sites. And so what

00:59:41.640 we'll do is promote that we're advertising. Someone is for sale. They they're available.

00:59:49.640 So to speak as a, as a, a seller of that individual or as the individual, uh, it's both sometimes,

00:59:58.300 but mostly, mostly the work that we're doing. And when I get it, when we get into the organized

01:00:03.840 crime, it's somebody, there's two components. One, it's you are selling, whether it's your child

01:00:09.580 or you could say it's your child or whatever it may be, or you as a buyer trying to purchase

01:00:15.540 from somebody, but look, I'll tell you, I saw your reaction right there. Uh, unfortunately last

01:00:22.440 summer we arrested, uh, well, we didn't, we were part of, and my team is part of a massive, um,

01:00:29.300 ran scenario where we were able to, or they were able to arrest 13 individuals in about 48 hours

01:00:36.600 that were showing up because a mom was selling a seven, nine and 12 year old. Right. And there

01:00:41.920 were certain individuals that decided, ah, I'm not interested in the 12 year old. Now that's

01:00:46.540 common. They didn't even like bat an eye at it. And here's the other thing is, and there's a video

01:00:51.140 that we put out that like the, the tactical guys that are doing the takedown, they don't sit in the 0.97

01:00:57.160 back chatting with these clowns. Right. So they don't understand, but when they make the arrest and 0.98

01:01:01.760 they take their phone, they were more shocked at how many phones background was them and their

01:01:06.740 daughter or them and their family. Right. So like, these are the type of people showing up to these

01:01:11.520 things. Right. So the ad is us promoting what's available to the market, so to speak. Got it. So

01:01:18.280 I'll continue the conversations. So this individual continues to say, Oh no, you're saying, we're not,

01:01:23.720 we're not, we're not gonna, this isn't really happening. So I can point to the actual law in the

01:01:28.220 state of under the umbrella, tip of the umbrella, human trafficking, what falls under all the statutes,

01:01:33.600 exploitation, voyeurism, you name it. Right. Then I can go right to the jail that he oversees. 0.95

01:01:39.820 And I can specifically type in control F child, like search all the people that are, have a charge

01:01:46.280 relating to a child. Now some of them are child abuse or whatever, but you can look at all of them

01:01:49.600 and you can see the people in his jail currently, not previously right now that got arrested for

01:01:55.820 these charges underneath the human trafficking laws, statutes. And so for him to deny that it's

01:02:01.740 not happening, I love, I would love if this individual would just say, look, I don't, I don't

01:02:08.400 spend much time in this. So I don't understand it. Just, I know this is all you do for thousands of

01:02:14.000 days. You don't do anything else. Could you enlighten me? That's part of it. So I don't know

01:02:19.140 what's going on there, but another individual, different scenario, same example says, is it really

01:02:25.060 happening here? Well, I'm glad you asked. Let me turn my computer around and show you what

01:02:28.440 occurred. Wow. Response. Wow. We'd probably need a full-time person. Second response. We should

01:02:35.120 probably host one of these trainings. Third response. Maybe we should find a way to see if

01:02:41.540 this nonprofit wants to fund you part-time to proactively just do these investigations.

01:02:47.520 Mind-blowing, right? Coming from somebody who just was curious, like, is it really that big of a

01:02:52.240 problem? Show them the evidence. Yes, it is. Go to familywatchdog.us if you're watching.

01:02:58.440 Familywatchdog.us. Type in your area, like your address, and look at all the people who are

01:03:03.880 registered sex offenders in your neighborhood, and you can see their mug shots and what they're

01:03:06.780 arrested for and all the different degrees and all that stuff. I haven't done that. I should do that,

01:03:10.500 but I have not yet. So look, those are only the people who have been caught on a reactive case

01:03:16.280 for the most part. Registered as a sex offender, and there's a lot of them living in the communities.

01:03:21.200 There's more in that operation. I told you, the 13 arrested, you know, in like almost 48 hours.

01:03:25.640 That organization, and that's what the state patrol and lots of departments in one state

01:03:30.320 did for five years, did these undercover sting operations and arrested nearly 350 individuals.

01:03:35.120 And out of those 350 individuals that were arrested, how many of those were registered

01:03:39.600 sex offenders? Just take a guess. Out of how many did you say? 350 arrested.

01:03:46.100 Um, for other convictions is what you're saying. Well, no, they were just arrested for showing up

01:03:52.540 in these sting operations. Potentially. Oh, got it. How many priors you're saying?

01:03:56.420 How many, how many of those, when they showed up to meet for that date, got arrested,

01:03:59.960 they were already registered sex offenders? Uh, 70%.

01:04:04.780 Hmm. 3%. Why is that important? Yeah. Why is that important? Because when you go on that website,

01:04:13.160 yeah. And that website is going to freak you out. It's going to freak you out. I'm going right now.

01:04:19.860 That's why it took me a minute to answer your question. Cause I was actually looking in real

01:04:23.800 time, uh, in my area. So here's the thing. If you're going to, you're first of all, you're going

01:04:29.440 to be blown away all the people in your neighborhood that are registered sex offenders. Now you're going

01:04:35.700 to be even more blown away because if those are the people who hopefully are not in prison and maybe

01:04:41.040 not reoffending or getting smarter, but that might only represent a small portion of the people living

01:04:45.500 that are predators that haven't been caught. Right. And so, um, there's in my, so in my area,

01:04:53.240 let me look here. It's set. It's the fact that it's, my system is bogged down is scary to me

01:05:03.320 actually. Yeah. Cause it's not even like it's running very, very slow and I have decent internet

01:05:11.260 and there's three anecdotally. There's about three or four. If I just look at this map real quick

01:05:20.220 that are probably within a two mile radius. Yeah. And you're probably, I don't know where

01:05:26.680 you live, but if you go to small town, Southern Utah, yeah, small town, but even in small towns,

01:05:33.260 it happens when you get into the metropolitan area where people don't live spread out, they

01:05:37.740 live up and sky rises and the population is super dense. It'll blow your mind. Like type

01:05:44.820 in a, I mean, I've got, I've got a lot of like offense against child, um, other offense offender

01:05:53.840 home. It says that's predominantly what it is. Offense against child offender home. I'm not, I,

01:06:01.200 I don't want to take the time to look at that, but that's predominantly what it is in, in my area

01:06:05.260 here. Yeah. And if you zoom out a little bit and move the map around, it'll show you in those areas.

01:06:10.720 And, and so you can also see kind of more, more kind of rich areas of where this kind of exists.

01:06:16.620 Um, hopefully they're not by a school bus stop. You know what I mean? These guys living,

01:06:22.140 you know, point, but yeah. So I think educating people, even law enforcement is part of this whole

01:06:28.680 deal. Um, going back to the ignorance part, they just don't know. You don't know what you don't know.

01:06:33.980 Right. And so it's an opportunity for us to really share with them. Like these are case studies. We

01:06:41.540 were just in Texas and man, they were crushed it after we left. They just kept going and just kept

01:06:47.460 going. They still keep going. Um, and then I think that, uh, what I love to share with people is there

01:06:53.800 are so many agencies and men, women who can't, they're hungry to do this. They just need the 0.94

01:06:58.980 equipment. They need to know how and the best ways. And, and they'll go out and do it, uh, in that

01:07:03.780 town. And, um, it's kind of a city in, uh, Texas. They actually had at the County level, they had two

01:07:09.160 individuals. They were a hundred percent human trafficking officers. They don't do any of the

01:07:12.740 other. That's it. So at least they were dedicating people to this. They have billboards, human trafficking

01:07:17.960 call 1-800, you know, deal. So they're like, they're, they're making this a priority in their towns.

01:07:23.840 And I think that, you know, we just need to follow suit across America. Yeah. I, I, I, I

01:07:29.720 appreciate what you're saying. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak, than, like I said

01:07:35.460 earlier, the soccer moms who are driving eight miles an hour over like, sure. Okay. Get, get 1.00

01:07:42.900 the Karens by all means. Sure. But let's deal with the real issues that are a greater threat 0.92

01:07:49.120 to our communities and to our young people. Let's do it.

01:07:53.840 We have to, we have to. Well, brother, how do we connect with you? How do we learn more

01:07:59.120 about this, your mission, what we can do, how we can get involved, how we can donate. Um,

01:08:03.720 I've actually got, I've got a couple of law enforcement, uh, officers who are now retired

01:08:08.980 who I have talked with that said they are lacking purpose in their lives after retirement. And I've

01:08:17.160 got a couple of people I'd like to introduce you to whether that happens or not. I don't know,

01:08:20.700 but I, I'm, I've got thoughts, man. So how do we connect with you?

01:08:24.340 Yeah, man, go to the innocent.org. That's our website, uh, on there. You can law enforcement,

01:08:29.560 click on the law enforcement tab. You can fill out that form with your law enforcement government

01:08:33.500 issued ID. That's just a verification that we're actually talking to somebody in law enforcement.

01:08:37.500 Um, we'll reach out to you, uh, probably first through email, then we can jump on a call.

01:08:41.900 We can kind of fill you in on what we, what we do and how we can come into your community. And then

01:08:46.060 maybe you can spearhead, you know, the efforts, uh, inside your communities community, click on the

01:08:51.260 community link. There's lots of ways. And there's more coming, uh, on that community link. You can,

01:08:56.080 we can create you a page and a QR code and you can start a fundraiser for your local community as well.

01:09:00.920 And, uh, there's a, there's a blue button on our page. That's the donate button. If I call it

01:09:05.640 become a protector, you know, for as little as $10 a month, you can literally as a force of people,

01:09:11.920 we can make impact. And I think that people kind of get this misconception. It's like,

01:09:15.940 there's $10 really make a difference. Well, it doesn't. If a thousand people do it, right. But if

01:09:21.700 multiple people or hundreds of people or a thousand people do that, we can make real impact here in the

01:09:28.280 United States. Right. And so those are just some of the ways of the really, I think the most

01:09:32.860 important way for us to communicate and give you the people, what you need is signing up for our

01:09:38.960 email. And the reason I say that is because we know that's going to get delivered to you

01:09:42.680 right through our social media and certain things. Like we can, I can do posts and videos and all that

01:09:48.320 stuff, but it's not very likely unless you're engaging constantly with our platform that some of

01:09:53.540 they just, I can't even pay to get promoted out there. So through that email, we're going to be

01:09:58.920 able to keep you up to date on a lot of different things and trends and certain things. Um, we have

01:10:02.980 a YouTube channel. We might start doing more videos on, um, but really just go to our website. You can

01:10:08.740 also contact us, you know, info at the innocent.org. And, you know, I really hope that you all listening

01:10:15.480 can, can kind of take charge or find someone in your community to take charge and spearhead these

01:10:20.380 efforts and, and, and make change locally. And that's the other thing is I really, I hope you

01:10:25.420 understand, like we've seen it. People donate money to a specific area and then they get to

01:10:31.220 actually watch the results in their own town and watch the news report on it, you know, or newspapers

01:10:36.380 or a community page or a Facebook page report on some of these things. And so you actually can have

01:10:42.340 impact in your own community, right? And your dollars don't have to go some foreign place. You can

01:10:47.720 actually try to hopefully your department, which I've seen very little departments say no to free

01:10:52.740 equipment and free training in their own hometown. Um, he'd be surprised. Well, yeah, but for the

01:10:59.600 most part, look, if it's not that specific agency, we'll go to the neighboring one and somebody's

01:11:03.880 going to tell you go, you know, um, just kind of get involved, get educated. Honestly, you can reach

01:11:09.860 out to us through the website anytime. And, you know, Ryan, I just want to say thank you to,

01:11:14.180 to you, you know, um, you know, you, you had us on, you talk about difficult conversations,

01:11:19.860 you talk about real conversations, deep conversations. And I wish there were more

01:11:24.340 people. You started by saying this is a hard conversation to talk about, but you're, uh,

01:11:29.940 you're not, you're not ignoring that and taking the easy route. We've talked a little bit about

01:11:34.240 that, but you're stepping into some dark areas, um, some real areas, some truth that I think we need

01:11:40.700 to talk about more. And, uh, so I thank you, man, just for, for being vulnerable and stepping out

01:11:46.720 of there and really just wanted to have those conversations. So thank you, man, to you.

01:11:52.320 I think it's important. You know, you, you've talked a lot about the idea and the concept of

01:11:56.500 protection. I don't know if you know, but our motto is protect, provide, preside. And some of us

01:12:02.000 will step into the fray like you're doing, where you're actually physically invested in the

01:12:07.260 protection of other people. And I would also say that sometimes you have your own things and part

01:12:14.780 of protecting is using your resources, even if it's $10 a month to be able to say, Hey, I can't

01:12:20.280 invest my time and resources that way, but I'm providing enough over here financially. And I've

01:12:26.860 got enough to take care of my family and I can help protect other people using the resources that

01:12:32.280 I've provided and created. And that is a form of protection. Is it better or worse? No,

01:12:37.060 it's just a form and we need all types of forms. So I can appreciate wanting to get directly

01:12:43.520 involved in going on undercover missions to some third world country as much as I can

01:12:50.320 appreciate somebody who's like, you know what? I got 20 bucks a month I can give to you to

01:12:54.440 help other people do that. It all matters. It all counts.

01:12:57.000 It does. It really does. I hope people get that $20, like times that by however many people

01:13:04.260 are going to view this, that's insane impact. And you know what? I can give jobs to these retired

01:13:09.220 cops that need a purpose again, to take the wealth of experience that they have. That's just sitting

01:13:14.700 around like building stuff in a woodshop, potentially let's get them activated to get

01:13:19.680 them re-engaged. Um, and they don't have to work full time. They could just come in as a

01:13:24.100 contractor to go out and go around and train other law enforcement officers with the experiences

01:13:28.880 that they have, you know, and share that knowledge, you know, the education piece. And so, man, I really

01:13:34.320 hope that people understand they really, their, their money can make a difference. It really can.

01:13:38.600 It can make an impact. And we promise we'll keep it here inside of our borders to protect our children 0.96

01:13:42.760 here in America.

01:13:43.940 I had a thought as you were saying that, and I don't know if you guys have thought about this

01:13:47.220 at all, but when you were saying that, man, I wonder if there's some sort of initiative where it's like

01:13:52.880 sponsor, sponsor a cop where it's, you know, you have a family member or a friend or a neighbor

01:14:00.420 or somebody who is maybe retired law enforcement and you pay 10, 20, 50 bucks a month. And you're

01:14:08.200 sponsoring that individual to get the training, to get the resources, to get involved. So not only are

01:14:14.640 you giving back to the organization and what you guys are doing, but you're also serving the person who

01:14:19.760 you know, and love and care about. I don't, do you guys do something like that?

01:14:23.700 We do now, dude. I, I think, cause if I'm going to donate 20 bucks a month, let's say hypothetically.

01:14:31.580 Yeah. I, I believe in your, I believe in what you're doing, but if I'm donating 20 bucks a month

01:14:36.620 and I know that John, my neighbor, who's a, who's retired law enforcement, who I believe in love and

01:14:43.720 trust, and he's been a good neighbor. And I know that he's going to get, I'd be more inclined to do

01:14:49.500 that. I don't know. That's a thought. I love that, man. Thank you. Thank you. See,

01:14:54.640 we've learned from so many others. I just learned that from you. That's such a great idea. And I do,

01:15:00.320 I agree that people will fund that, you know, give re it's just makes so much sense. See,

01:15:06.640 this is the thing we talked about earlier. You just have to take the step because things will

01:15:09.760 happen that you can't even think will happen. You just basically came up with something that I do

01:15:16.100 believe we can do because people will support re-employing retired law enforcement to give

01:15:21.520 them a purpose and take their knowledge and just transfer it back to the younger generations

01:15:25.260 of law enforcement that are in the positions that have the authority to go do these investigations.

01:15:31.380 Like let's, we'll, we'll figure it out. We'll talk offline because I love this. We should come up

01:15:35.160 with a name like sponsor. So we'll come up with a name, but I love this man. Thank you again. Like

01:15:40.120 it's amazing. Yeah. Whatever I can do to help. I believe in what you guys are doing and I'm glad

01:15:44.720 to be able to have you on. I appreciate, I appreciate your work more than anything. I

01:15:49.160 appreciate the example that you set, you know, obviously you're doing great work and it's

01:15:52.760 righteous work, but there's so many guys who just need examples like you, whether they pursue this

01:15:58.580 or something completely unrelated. I love to hear stories from guys who are just getting after it,

01:16:04.360 who have a mission, have a calling or get clocked over the head with some idea. Sounds like maybe that's

01:16:09.820 more your, your case. And it's like, no, this is my life's work now. And the fact that

01:16:14.660 you're pursuing it. So I really appreciate you. Thanks for joining me today, man. Absolutely.

01:16:18.120 Thank you, bro. I hope to see you again soon. We will.

01:16:23.200 All right, gentlemen, Nate Lewis. I don't like having those conversations. It seems like we

01:16:27.440 shouldn't need those conversations, but clearly we do. And I'm glad that we have this platform

01:16:34.000 and I'm glad that you're here. I want to honor you for being here and tuning in every week because

01:16:38.460 without that, obviously we wouldn't be able to have these instrumental conversations to protect,

01:16:43.780 provide and preside, which is our motto and our way of life. It's more than just a motto.

01:16:48.760 So make sure you to connect with Nate. Obviously we gave you some examples of donating, getting

01:16:54.140 involved if you're in law enforcement. So there's opportunities to get involved if you choose to do

01:16:58.340 that. And then also check out the men's forge. It's coming up in a couple of weeks, May 1st through

01:17:03.700 the 4th, 2025, themensforge.com. All right, guys, you've got your marching orders. We'll be back

01:17:10.600 tomorrow for our Ask Me Anything. Until then, go out there, take action and become the man you

01:17:15.860 are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. You're ready to take charge

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Order of Man - April 15, 2025

NATE LEWIS ｜ Overcoming Injustice

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