Nice Guys Never Win | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES
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In this episode, we discuss the concept of being a nice guy and what it means to be a "nice guy" and how it can manifest in your life. We also discuss the 5 things you can do on a daily basis to overcome Nice Guy Syndrome.
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right? I got passed over for a promotion because of office politics. No, you probably got passed
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over for a promotion because people don't know you because you don't share. You don't open up.
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They don't even know. Even if you do, they don't know the real authentic version of you. Well,
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you know, my marriage is breaking down because my wife is treating me this way. Well, okay,
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but you've allowed her to treat you that way because you haven't communicated boundaries.
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Anyways, we've all heard of being a nice guy and nice guy syndrome. In fact, if you're listening
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to this, there is a good chance that maybe you have suffered from nice guy syndrome at some point
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in your life. And I think it's very, very important that we talk about what it means. How does it
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manifest? What does it lead to? And ultimately, what can you do five things on a daily basis to
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overcome the desire, the need, the whatever it might be to be a nice guy? So I'm going to jump
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right into it because I know there's a lot of men who are listening to this who are frustrated with
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their inability or lack of ability. I shouldn't say inability to communicate effectively, to share
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what's on their mind, to have ideas and insights, and to be respected by the people that they love,
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care about, and are trying to serve. So let's first define what a nice guy is. I wrote this
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down as I was thinking about what I wanted to share with you. And I think it encapsulates perfectly
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what it means to be a nice guy. So this is a man who is too cowardly to speak boldly about his
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convictions, stand up for his personal boundaries, communicate his wishes and desires, and share ideas
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that may benefit himself and others. Listen to that again and ask yourself, do I fall into any one of
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these categories? It's a man who's too cowardly to speak boldly about his convictions, stand up for
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personal boundaries, communicate his wishes and desires, and share ideas that may benefit himself
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and others. Guys, if you felt like this at any point in your life, then it's safe to say that you
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are suffering from some level of nice guy syndrome. And I don't want you to suffer from that because it
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leads to a lot of unintended results and consequences that don't serve you well. You'll get passed over
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for promotions, relationships will break down, you'll grow angry and frustrated with life and other
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people, you'll act out, you'll lash out, you'll damage relationships, you'll make less money, people
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won't like you. And it's a little bit counterintuitive because many of the nice guys that I know and work
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with often say they're being nice so that people will like them or they can get the approval that
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they desire. But ironically, they get the exact opposite. So we're going to help you line that out
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today. Now, how does being a nice guy manifest itself in reality and ask yourself the question of
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if this pertains to you or not. So number one is you're overly accommodating. You're a people pleaser.
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And that's good in a way. You want to be helpful. You want to be valuable to other people. If you look
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at our motto of protect, provide, preside, all of those have an element of service. I try to be
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valuable to others. I try to lead where I can. I try to be as accommodating as I possibly can. But if it
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comes at my own expense where I'm not able to do the things that I want to do, or I'm not able to
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uphold commitments that I've already made because I'm so worried about accommodating other people,
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that becomes an issue. So are you a people pleaser? Do you not want there to be any contention?
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Do you shy away from sharing your opinion because heaven forbid somebody disagree with you?
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If somebody asks you something that maybe puts you at some sort of imposition, do you easily say yes
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and not even consider how it might affect you or your other responsibilities that you have?
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If so, you're probably being overly accommodating. The next is that it leads to indecisiveness.
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So if you are indecisive or you know a man who's indecisive, it's probably because he's being a nice
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guy. He's not really calculating only what will serve him and other people. He's calculating how other
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people will perceive the decisions that he's making. So if, for example, a friend says,
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hey man, let's go to lunch this week on Thursday, where would you like to go? And the nice guy says,
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ah, you know, I don't know. There's this cool place, but I don't know. What do you, what do you like?
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What do you think? Okay. There's a fear associated with, uh, not being part of the group,
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not being included, maybe be being thought weird. And there's this, this fear that nice guys have.
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And so there'll be indecisive and they'll let everybody else make decisions. And what ends up
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happening is that, um, you end up going with what everybody else wants to do all the time.
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And it's not bad to let people decide things now and again, but I've found that more often than not,
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the people that I interact with would really like me to make a decision, especially if they're asking
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for my opinion. So if your wife or your significant other says, Hey babe, let's go out to eat this
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weekend, or let's go on a date. And she says, what should we do? She's asking you to lead her.
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And if you're not going to lead her, you're going to undermine trust and credibility and influence
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with her. We're going to talk a little bit more about that, but you might say, well, I really don't
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care. It doesn't matter if you care or not. She's asking for you to lead and you have an opportunity
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to lead. So you truly might not care, but I bet you have a preference. I bet there's a restaurant
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you'd like to go try. Um, I bet there's an activity in town that you'd like to participate in. So just
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tell her that if you're in a board meeting and the person giving the presentation says, does anybody
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have any questions and you have a question, don't beat around the bush? Don't him haunt about it.
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Don't not ask it. And because you're, you're worried how you might look, ask the question
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and get the answer. So you can be more effective with what you're trying to accomplish. But
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indecisiveness is a classic symptom of nice guy syndrome. Uh, number three, you're suppressing your
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needs. So maybe you really do want to go spend time with friends. And instead of even bringing
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that up to your wife, like, Hey, I'd like to go spend Friday night with the boys. They're having a,
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a barbecue or fight night or whatever it might be. Instead of bringing that up, you just won't say
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anything. And then you'll be upset. And in many times you'll end up throwing a little bit of a temper
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tantrum and pouting. I've seen grown men pout because they're not getting their way. But if you didn't
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communicate what you wanted, you don't have any right to complain or to pout or to take it out
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on somebody else who you had a covert contract with. If you have a need for certain food, if you
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have a need for more intimacy in the bedroom, if you have a need for going out somewhere, if you have
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a need to spend time with your buddies, if you have a need to be communicated with in a certain way,
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then you need to communicate those needs. Now there's tactful ways to do it. And there's
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poor ways to do that. And we'll talk a little bit about that. But if you can communicate your
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needs and desires and wishes with tact, you're going to find that people are going to be really
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accommodating towards you, especially the people who love you, your wife, your kids, your clients,
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coworkers, family members, friends, they want to be accommodating, give them a path, give them a track
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to run on by not suppressing your needs. The next is that you'll find that nice guys are often
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passive aggressive because resentment builds up in these men. They get frustrated. They get angry.
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They feel like they're not being heard, that they're not being seen, that their ideas are often
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overlooked, that they're not respected. And because they feel that way, instead of handling it with
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some assertiveness and actually communicating effectively, they start turning to passive aggressive
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comments, underhanded compliments, passive aggressiveness. A lot of times it's mockery.
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Sometimes you see these guys who just become the class clown. They don't take anything seriously.
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They're mocking people. They're throwing little jabs, very overt, excuse me, covert ways of insulting
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people. It's because they don't know how to communicate effectively. And because they don't,
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there still needs to be a release, a valve, a venting mechanism, and they don't have a healthy
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venting mechanism. So it seeps out in little snarky comments. It seeps out in backstabbing at work.
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It seeps out in these little small ways and you'll start to see it and you'll start to feel it.
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They become pessimists because they're not communicating what they want, need, and desire.
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The next is that you can see that an individual is inauthentic. An individual who is a nice guy is
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very inauthentic. He'll say one thing to one person and he'll say the exact opposite to the other person
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that he's talking to because he's not worried about his own personal convictions. He's worried
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all the time about gauging how a person might respond and react to him. So if I'm a nice guy,
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I might think to myself, well, you know, I've got to say this to this person to make them feel good.
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And I've got to say this to this person that might be counter to what I just said to this other person
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to make them feel good. And they believe that your job or their job is to regulate other people's
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emotions. Mel Robbins said something, and I've fallen prey to this too, guys. I'm not telling you
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I haven't. I just know really well because I've fallen prey and at times I still do. But she says,
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your job is not to, and I'm paraphrasing, but your job is not to make everybody else
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feel comfortable with their decisions. Your job is to tell the truth and let people make their own.
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So if somebody asked for your opinion, you don't need to worry about what they might think of your
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opinion. You should worry about how you say it because we're trying to lead. I mean, if somebody
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asked for my opinion and about, you know, if my girlfriend asked what she, if, if I liked what
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she was wearing, I wouldn't say that looks horrible on you. You should never wear that again. And you
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should burn that and, and never to be seen from ever again. Probably not a great way to communicate
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something that I didn't think looked all that great. But could I say, you know, I really liked
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that other pair of jeans better or that dress that you have in black. That one's my favorite.
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And that might be a more effective way to say things. Now, this is a constant battle is do you,
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do you be honest with those things? And I think, yes, with tact, I think, yes. And I'm going to explain
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why when I get what, what it leads to being a nice guy here shortly, but I think, yes, you want to be
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honest. And if somebody wants your opinion and they're asking for it, then I think it's important
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we with, with tact, give them that, that opinion. But at the end of the day, are you being true to
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yourself? Are you communicating what you really believe? Are you telling people, even if it's
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unpopular, what you actually think about a scenario? Are you so afraid of what other people might think
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of you that you change who you are? You're like a chameleon. You're a different color here than you
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are over there. And nobody knows who the real you is. And you don't even know who the real you is
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because you're not expressing your ideas and thoughts and insights. And the last point that I
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wanted to make as far as how this manifest, this nice guy idea manifest for people is they turn into
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victims, right? I got passed over for a promotion because of office politics. No, you probably got passed
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over for a promotion because people don't know you because you don't share. You don't open up.
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They don't even know. Even if you do, they don't know the real authentic version of you. Well, you
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know, my marriage is breaking down because my wife is treating me this way. Well, okay. But you've
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allowed her to treat you that way because you haven't communicated boundaries. To go back to what I
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said with regards to the definition of a nice guy, part of it is standing up for personal boundaries.
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So if somebody is abusing you, let's say verbally, and they're mistreating you that way and you allow
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it to happen, how long before you take some responsibility and say, you know what, maybe I'm
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not the victim that I've painted myself to be. Maybe I can tell this person, hey, I would love to have
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this conversation with you, but it's going to be done in these parameters. And we're not going to yell
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at each other and you're not going to resort to name calling or personal insults. And then I would
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love to have this conversation. That's a perfectly acceptable thing to say. And instead of painting
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yourself as a victim now, now you're positioning yourself to train others, to condition others, to
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treat you with respect, which is what I think you want. So if you start feeling that everything
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around you and everybody around you is out to get you and you can't get ahead and you're getting
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passed over and you're getting looked over, it might be a symptom of you being a nice guy.
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Now, what does this all lead to? And I promise I'm getting to the point of what you can do,
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but it's very important we understand the root of these things. So what does this lead to? Well,
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if you're not communicating your ideas and you're not being authentic and you're suppressing your needs
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and you're being indecisive and you have this victimhood and you're overly accommodating,
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number one is it leads to confusion. It leads to confusion. And if there's confusion in any
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relationship that you have, it's inferior to what it would be if there was clarity.
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So if your wife is constantly confused about how you're feeling, about what you're doing,
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about what you're afraid of, about what your goals are, about where you want to eat,
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guess what it's going to do? It's going to confuse her. So let's take a small example.
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You guys want to go out this weekend for a date and she says, I don't, you know,
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where would you like to go? She's again, that's a question that she's asking you to lead. And you
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say, I don't really, I don't know. I don't really care. What, like, what do you think? You just pick
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whatever you think is fine. You guys are going to go on the date, but she's going to be confused.
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Here's what's going to happen. You're going to be sitting at dinner and she picked the restaurant
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and you should have picked it because she asked you to and you didn't. And instead of being focused
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and present with you, now she's thinking, I wonder if he really wants to eat here. I want,
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and these are the ideas that are running through her mind. I wonder if he really wants to be here.
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I wonder, I don't, does he even like this food? Is this a, is it, does he like the vibe of this?
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Is it, is he having fun? That's not going to be a good line of questioning for a productive date night
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with your wife. You don't want her to be thinking about that. What you want her to be thinking about is,
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oh my gosh, I love this restaurant. I've never tried this before. He must really like this. He's
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excited to take me here. Like, this is what people want. They want to be accommodating to you.
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You have to allow them to be accommodating and not be confused about what you're thinking.
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You've had that happen where you might be reading somebody and you can't quite get a bearing on
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what they're thinking. Are they mad at you? Are they anxious about something else? Did they have a bad
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day? Like, what is actually going on? And you're trying to read little cues. I do that.
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Um, that's, that, that's not a good thing for a relationship. Now it's going to happen from time
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to time, but the idea is to get clarity. Hey, you seem off tonight. Is everything going okay? How
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was your day? Oh yeah. My day was hard because of X, Y, and Z. Got it. Now we just brought clarity
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to the conversation and both people can move on and drive on and do what they need to do in order to
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have a great evening together, but confusion. The second thing that, um, being a nice guy leads to
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is distrust. If you don't tell the truth in every aspect of your life, then when you actually are
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telling the truth, people are going to believe you less. I, I've had conversations with thousands and
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thousands of people at this point. And some I vehemently disagree with, but you know what?
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I still trust them. And I trust them because I know they're going to tell me how they really feel.
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And they're actually willing to put their money where their mouth is. And so I might not agree
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with their position, but I trust that that's an individual who's going to tell me the truth.
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And I would much rather be around an individual who I know is speaking the truth,
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even in disagreement than a person who is always agreeing with me, but me not really knowing
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whether or not they're actually speaking the truth. I don't want those kinds of people in my life.
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I want truth tellers in my life. I want honesty in my life. And I I'm a big boy, just like you.
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I can handle an uncomfortable conversation. I can handle a disagreement. I can handle it. If
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the people who are closest to my life take issue with something I did or said today, I can handle it
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because I'm a man and you can handle it too. But if every time somebody speaks the truth to you,
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you throw a little temper tantrum and you pout, like I was saying earlier, and you get defensive
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and you kind of turn into a whiny baby, nobody's going to tell you the truth anymore.
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And if they're nice guys, you don't trust those people because you're always like, what's their
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motive? What's their angle? What are they really thinking? Again, confusion and distrust. The next
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thing is it's going to lead to frustration from other people. They're going to be frustrated with
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you. If every time your wife comes to you and says, Hey, where do you want to go eat? What do you want
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to do tonight? What would you like for dinner? What would you like to do this weekend? What do you like
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this shirt or that shirt? And you never give her an answer. She's going to get frustrated with you
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because you're not leading. If you're doing this with your clients because you're worried about them
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leaving you and they're like, well, what do you, I was in the financial advising business for, for
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years and years before I started order of man. If every time a client came to me at for financial
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advice and I said, I don't, I don't really know. I mean, yeah, maybe you could do that. Or maybe you
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could do this, but like, what do you guys think? They're going to be frustrated with that because
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they hired me to make decisions, to teach them, to coach them, to guide them through their financial
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decision-making process. Okay. Your, your, your employees, if you're, and men are, this is wild,
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but men are afraid of their employees in some cases. And so their employee is asking for clarity
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on a project. And they're like, well, I don't know. I mean, we could do this and we could do that,
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but what do you, how are you feeling about thing? Your, your employees are going to be frustrated
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with you because they can't get their job done. Be clear, communicate effectively,
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and don't allow things to get to frustrating points. And then the last thing is that everybody's
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going to be angry. Everybody's going to be angry. Frustration leads to resentment. Resentment leads
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to anger. And that's, what's going to happen. People are going to be angry at you because you
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can't make decisions. You're going to be angry at them because they can't read your mind. And it's
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just a big nasty cycle. And then relationships are going to break down. You're not going to get
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promotions and you're not going to be satisfied and happy with your life because nobody wants to
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be around you because you bring up frustration and contention with them. And I get it. You think
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you're doing it because you're being nice. But Dr. Robert Glover in his book, No More Mr. Nice Guy
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often says that nice guys are typically the angriest. I'm pretty good at suppressing it, but they're
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often the angriest people out there because they don't get what they want. So let's move into what
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you can do about it. And I have five daily activities, and this isn't going to take you
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17 hours of a 24-hour day. This is going to, at first, it might be tricky. It might take a little
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thoughtfulness, but it will take you maybe a half an hour per day. And I want you to do this for 30
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days. So this is my challenge I'm issuing to you. Number one, for every day, every day, I want you to get
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a notepad out. I'm reaching into my desk drawer right here. I've got my journal. I've got my journal
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right here. And every day, I want you for the next 30 days to write in here, what do you want out of
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life? Now, that's a pretty broad general question. So maybe it's not just what you want out of life,
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but what do you want out of today? What do you want out of the relationship? If you're going on a date
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night with your wife, what do you want out of that date night? I want to connect. I want to have sex
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in the evening. I want to enjoy each other's company. I want to go to this restaurant. What do
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you want today? What do you want? At business, I want to pick up two new clients, or I want to apply
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for that promotion that's available, or I want to give some feedback to one of my employees, or I want
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to complete that project that's been looming over my head. But start getting clear about what you want
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out of life and document that down. And the more specific you can be for a nice guy, the better
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off you will be. Be very specific every day. What do I want? Get your notepad out and write it down.
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Number two, also write down, and this might be a good end of day practice, write down what keeps you
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from communicating and getting what you want. So if I go out on a date this weekend with my girlfriend,
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and my goal is to go to this one restaurant and do this one activity and connect with her,
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have a great conversation, and just enjoy each other's company. At the end of that date, I need
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to ask myself, did I accomplish what I wanted to accomplish? Now, I know that sounds a little
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transactional, and maybe it is, but for this exercise, it's important that you do this.
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So I might say, yes, I picked the restaurant. She was ready. I told her what I thought I would
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like to see her wear, and she was open to that. And she wore what I think she looks really good in.
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I got the reservations. If this is the case, it's like I booked the sitter for the kids,
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and I led the conversation. I communicated effectively about my day or about my goals and
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dreams. I asked her what her fears were in our relationship or how she feels like the relationship
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is going. And overall, it was great. That's a good date. Or you might say, well, I really wanted
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to go to this restaurant, but I didn't tell her that. And so she ended up making a decision,
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and it was a restaurant that isn't really my favorite, but I didn't tell her that either.
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So she wants to go next week because she really likes that restaurant. And when she asked me about
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my hopes and dreams, I didn't really tell her what I was thinking. I told her what I thought
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she wanted to hear. And so I didn't really get a chance to communicate that. But why? Why are you
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afraid? Are you fearful that she'll reject you? Are you fearful that you'll be ostracized from the
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group? These are all important things to write down because the more you start to write these things
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down and identify what the enemy is in this case for you being a nice guy, the better equipped you'll be
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to deal with it because you'll start to recognize it. Oh yeah, that came up. I have that happen two
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days ago and I felt bad about it because I didn't communicate effectively. So I'm not going to do
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that today. And you're going to start to recognize patterns. So again, number one, document what you
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want out of the day. Number two, document what keeps you from communicating or getting it. Okay.
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Number three, give your opinions and feedback. Okay. That that's it. Give your opinions and feedback
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and try to do that five times today. So if you're at a business meeting and somebody says, Hey, do you
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have any questions or any thoughts about this project we're working on? And you have a thought,
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you have to communicate it. Raise your hand. Yeah. Or send an email. Hey guys, I had this one thought I
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wanted to bring up. We did this six months ago and remember it didn't go well. And at the time we had
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talked about implementing this new system. I think we might want to consider trying that this go around.
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Now your idea might not be implemented, but at least now people see you have skin in the game.
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They know you're interested and care about what's going on within the organization.
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So share your opinions and give feedback. If your wife says, how does this look? You tell her if you
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really like it, say, Oh my gosh, I love the way you look in those jeans. And you could, those type
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compliments you can give unsolicited as long as they're accurate, but be specific. Don't say, Hey,
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you look good today. Say, Hey, your hair looks really nice today. Or I really liked the way that
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you did your hair today. Or that, that top looks amazing on you. That color is perfect. But be
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specific. The more specific you are with compliments, the more believable it is. It's not just some
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thing you're supposed to do and say, Hey, you look good today, hon. No, it's very specific on what you
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like. So you can give compliments unsolicited. Be careful of giving unsolicited feedback. If it's
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criticism, because who in the history of mankind ever appreciated unsolicited feedback, if it was
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critical. But if somebody asks you, then you have an opportunity to give that feedback. So that's
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number three. Number four, start making decisions. So again, I just told you, give opinion and feedback,
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do that five times a day for the next 30 days. Now I'm going to have you make five decisions and
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you're going to be decisive about it. When you get up in the morning and you're like, Oh, what should I
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wear? Just pick something. If your wife says, Hey, what do you think of these jeans or that jeans?
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Pick one of them. If you're at the office and you're wondering, uh, your, your employees or your
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clients or whoever it might be, uh, are wondering where you'd like to go for lunch today, pick a place
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you'd like to go for lunch today. In fact, I would just start. I'd say, Hey guys, a few of us in the
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office are going to get together for lunch today. I got us reservations over at Applebee's. So that's
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where we're going today at noon, work for everybody. And everybody will say yes, but make decisions
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quickly, a lot quicker than you're probably comfortable with. Cause most of the decisions
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that we're making aren't real catastrophic. If we choose incorrectly in the grand scheme of things.
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So do that for five times a day for the next 30 days. And then the last one is to say, no,
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you just have to say no more often because you can't do everything and you don't want to do everything
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and you don't have the capacity to do it. So when somebody asks you something that you don't want
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to do, then you say no. And you can say it very respectfully. Hey, you know, I really appreciate
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asking me and, uh, I'm not going to be able to do that because I already have plans, but maybe next
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time, but not this time. That's it. That's all you need to say. You owe no explanation to anybody.
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You don't need to do things that you don't want to do. I mean, within reason, of course,
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you're going to try to accommodate, like I said earlier, but we're teaching you to be decisive
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and to take care of yourself. And sometimes nice guys are concerned that they're going to be jerks
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to other people, um, that other people aren't going to like them. And I'm going to tell you the
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truth that people are probably going to think you're being a jerk. People are probably not going to like
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it initially because they're used to running you over and now they're not. And so you need to be
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prepared for that, that they're not going to necessarily like, or question or wonder what
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is going on with you. Cause you're different than you've ever been. Be prepared for that and know
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that, Hey, I'm going to sit in this discomfort. It will, it will be uncomfortable, but you have to
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tap dance a little bit tiptoe, if you will, into a whole territory, because you don't know the
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appropriate line of being aggressive and assertive, being passive and being assertive, communicating your
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needs, wants, and desires while still taking people into consideration. You don't know where
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the healthy line is yet because you're so used to being on this far side of the spectrum
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that anything moving in the right direction is going to feel like it's too far, but you can make
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those pivots and adjustments, especially with the journaling exercises I gave you. So I really hope
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this serves you guys, but it won't serve you unless you implement those last daily activities. Again,
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five daily activities, do these every day for 30 days in a row. Document what you want from the day.
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Document what keeps you from communicating or obtaining it. Number three, give five times,
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give your opinion and feedback. Number four, five times, make decisive decisions. And then also last
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is to say no, when you don't want to do things. That's it guys. That's how you overcoming, overcome
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being the nice guy. I hope that helps. I hope that serves you. If you have any questions,
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hit me up on Instagram. It's where I'm most active. Shoot me a message and I will get back
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with you. We will be back next week. I got a great conversation lined up with Sean Stevenson.
00:29:02.080
He is the author of Eat Smarter and Sleep Smarter. And we talk about all things nutrition and how to
00:29:07.920
improve your body, testosterone building, markers to look for, for the overall general health of your
00:29:13.840
body. And it's a really, really powerful conversation. So make sure you check that out.
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All right, guys, we'll be back then. Until then, go out there, take action,
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