Order of Man - NICK BRYANT ｜ How Political Blackmail Exacerbates Sex Scandals

00:00:00.000 We are without a shortage of sex scandals from Jeffrey Epstein to P. Diddy and now implicated Jay-Z, but sex scandals from the highest echelons of entertainment, social elites, and political juggernauts are nothing new.

00:00:15.020 In fact, Alexander Hamilton was once outed for having an affair with a married woman, and even Thomas Jefferson was proven to have been sleeping with his slave.

00:00:24.380 Unfortunately, the trend continues with seemingly increasing high-profile cases against these villains and their sexual improprieties.

00:00:33.500 Today, I'm joined by investigative journalist Nick Bryant to talk about his decades-long work against child sex trafficking.

00:00:41.340 Today, Nick and I talk about the similarities between Epstein and Diddy, why and how these blackmailing strategies turn into political weapons and assets, 0.96

00:00:50.420 why these pedophiles get caught when they do, and what a man can do to protect his loved ones and serve a greater calling to destroy these rats.

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00:02:41.740 All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to my guest today, Nick Bryant, is an investigative journalist and author, where he covers many government conspiracies and cover-ups, but notably spending the bulk of his work as an outspoken advocate against child sex trafficking.

00:03:03.620 His first high-profile investigation, Nick spent seven years investigating the Franklin scandal and wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal.

00:03:16.900 He is also the man responsible for bringing Jeffrey Epstein's little black book to light in the midst of uncovering one of the largest and most prolific sex scandals in history.

00:03:27.240 And today, he continues his work with Epstein Justice, which is a nonprofit to bring justice to the victims of Epstein and his fellow perpetrators, and for those who have been irreparably damaged by their actions.

00:03:45.740 Nick, so good to see you this morning. Thanks for joining me on the podcast.

00:03:48.980 Glad to be on your podcast, Ryan.

00:03:51.100 Yeah, a mutual friend of ours, Josh Wellman, connected us, and I thought, you know, this is something that we need to talk about.

00:03:56.160 My show is dedicated towards helping men be better leaders in their communities, business owners, fathers, husbands, et cetera, and I can't really think of a better way to step into that role than protect the women in our lives, protect our children, and you've been fighting hard to ensure that we're protecting them against sexual exploitation and trafficking.

00:04:19.680 I've been researching and writing about child exploitation and trafficking for about 22 years.

00:04:25.000 So, I guess you could call me a veteran in the fight.

00:04:29.940 Yeah, is there a reason that you gravitated towards this?

00:04:33.440 I know a little bit about your story as an investigative journalist, and obviously there's so many different routes that you can go with, you know, government involvement and government cover-ups, excuse me, some of which you have covered.

00:04:45.620 But it seems like you really narrowed down and honed it on this particular subject.

00:04:50.580 Why is that the case?

00:04:51.480 I was always very receptive to children's issues, and I'd written about children's issues for about five years, and I had had a difficult childhood.

00:05:04.420 So, I resonate with people that have had difficult childhoods.

00:05:09.420 And I didn't have a difficult childhood because I was bad.

00:05:12.620 I mean, I just had a difficult childhood because I had a malevolent stepfather.

00:05:17.520 I mean, I eventually became bad, but not initially.

00:05:22.140 So, I'd written quite a bit about lower socioeconomic children in the United States.

00:05:27.280 And actually, I'd written a book about it, too, called America's Children, Triumph or Tragedy.

00:05:31.620 I co-authored the book.

00:05:34.040 And in the book, we showed the deplorable state of children in the United States, lower socioeconomic children. 0.99

00:05:42.680 And then I moved to New York City, and I became a freelance writer.

00:05:47.680 And in 2002, I was pitching a magazine editor about a very dark, unsavory subject.

00:05:53.120 And he said, go for it.

00:05:58.100 So, the topic that I was pitching him on was a cult called the Finders that were busted for child trafficking in Callahassee, Florida.

00:06:08.620 I talk a lot about it in my book, The Franklin Scandal.

00:06:12.800 And they had six kids that were ragamuffins, and there were two of them that were dressed relatively nicely. 0.86

00:06:18.660 And some concerned citizens called the police, and the police went to the park, and they took one look at the kids.

00:06:26.280 They took one look at the two finders.

00:06:29.160 And they put the kids in protective child services, and then they took the finders and indicted them on multiple kinds of child abuse.

00:06:37.460 And Washington, D.C. police called the Tallahassee police and said, we're also looking into the finders because they're possibly related to a homicide that's been unsolved.

00:06:55.500 And then the U.S. Customs got involved because it was pornography, child pornography.

00:06:59.400 So, the D.C. police and the U.S. Customs converged on the finders' warehouse, and what they found was truly horrific, truly horrific.

00:07:09.520 And I've got the U.S. Customs report is so bizarre that I put the whole thing in my book, The Franklin Scandal, the entire U.S. Customs report.

00:07:20.820 So, ultimately, they found a lot of incriminating things.

00:07:26.720 I mean, there was a telex about buying two children.

00:07:30.380 There was information on various families that needed babysitters.

00:07:36.040 I mean, the finders seemed to be very interested in children in a very deleterious kind of way.

00:07:44.460 And then the person, the U.S. Customs officer that wrote that report, it was about three days later, he hadn't noticed anything was happening.

00:07:56.820 So, he went to the D.C. police and said, what's going on with our investigation?

00:08:03.320 And the D.C. police said, well, it's becoming a CIA internal matter, and there is no more investigation.

00:08:10.020 And that blew me away.

00:08:12.080 I mean, what would the CIA have to do with, well, first of all, the CIA shouldn't have any kind of say domestically, but what would the CIA be doing with this weird cult?

00:08:27.000 And why are they quashing this investigation into seemingly horrific child abuse?

00:08:32.780 And then, so, that opened my mind.

00:08:35.660 I mean, I realized that for something like that to happen, that I'd missed a lot in my investigations, in my life, in my education.

00:08:46.120 It did not fit into a paradigm that I previously had.

00:08:49.660 So, that U.S. Customs Report caused a paradigm shift.

00:08:53.680 And I heard of another network that was similar that was in Omaha, Nebraska, and I went and investigated that, and I was pretty skeptical.

00:09:05.140 There was a lot of internet innuendo about it, about it being a transcontinental network, having intelligence ties.

00:09:13.620 And it was very similar to what was found with the finders, and it also, the innuendo said that there were, this network was trafficking Boys Town students, which is, Boys Town is the, probably the most famous orphanage in the world.

00:09:31.860 And it has great PR, and no one thought anything bad ever happened at Boys Town.

00:09:38.580 So, I went to Omaha somewhat skeptical about the story.

00:09:46.600 And then, by the time I got to Omaha, I quickly came across a lot of information that was sealed by a grand jury.

00:09:57.580 And then, I came up, and then I started to talk to people that were involved in it.

00:10:02.140 And it was like I was doing an expose on KGB, on the KGB in Stalinist Russia.

00:10:08.420 I mean, people were frightened to talk about this.

00:10:12.040 And then, on my last day there, I had a death threat.

00:10:15.800 So, or my last night there, I had a death threat.

00:10:18.160 So, at that point, I realized this is real.

00:10:23.080 Well, everything that was on the Internet, or much of what was on the Internet, there was some crazy stuff on the Internet, but much of what was on the Internet was true.

00:10:34.000 And I came back to New York City, and I was just stunned.

00:10:38.140 And I was walking through Washington Square Park with my mentor.

00:10:44.440 He was a retired journalist, and his name was Jerry Ballinger, a wonderful person.

00:10:49.900 And I told him, Jerry, you know, it's all true.

00:10:55.320 I mean, it's all true.

00:10:58.160 Because we had talked about it previously.

00:11:00.980 And we sat on a park bench.

00:11:03.940 And at this point, I was pretty freaked out.

00:11:06.760 And we sat on a park bench.

00:11:08.320 And, you know, he said to me, this could be dangerous.

00:11:12.920 And if you don't want to go for it, if you don't want to investigate it, I completely understand it.

00:11:18.800 And I will not look down on you.

00:11:21.340 And I said, you know, all these kids were destroyed by this network.

00:11:28.560 And I don't think I could live with myself, knowing that I might have been able to do something about it.

00:11:34.120 And it took me seven years and a lot of work.

00:11:40.340 But I eventually wrote a book about that particular network.

00:11:43.840 It was called The Franklin Scandal, A Story of Power Brokers, Child Abuse, and Matriot.

00:11:48.540 It's interesting is not the right word.

00:11:51.240 It doesn't do the story justice or what you talk about justice.

00:11:54.660 But it's so hard for me to even wrap my head around the idea that there is – that sex trafficking in the year 2024 is as prevalent, maybe even more so, than it's ever been throughout human history.

00:12:09.240 I just – I cannot fathom how it is possible.

00:12:13.200 And I also can't help but think there are a lot of powerful people in the game, so to speak, covering this up, covering their tracks.

00:12:20.960 And not only allowing it to happen, but maybe even advocating it behind closed doors.

00:12:26.540 There we get into other examples of what I stumbled across with The Franklin Scandal. 0.50

00:12:33.180 And The Franklin Scandal was published in 2009, 2010.

00:12:37.920 And that book took a lot out of me.

00:12:40.300 I traveled to Omaha 13 times.

00:12:43.960 I traveled around the country looking for victims.

00:12:46.040 I had a list of 60 victims.

00:12:47.660 And I also went to Washington, D.C. a number of times because there were people there that I wanted to talk to.

00:12:54.980 And a lot of these kids had been flown to Washington, D.C., where there was a blackmail house.

00:13:00.240 The parties would go down in a house that was wired for audiovisual blackmail.

00:13:04.240 And the guy that owned the house was the CIS that named Craig Spence.

00:13:08.580 So I think that book finally came out in 2009, 2010.

00:13:13.100 I could not get a big publisher to look at it.

00:13:16.200 I had a really good agent who tried to sell it, and she couldn't sell it or didn't even want to deal with selling it.

00:13:22.520 And then I had another agent who wasn't as good, who was pretty good, and he couldn't sell it.

00:13:28.500 And I met with some publishers, and they kept on talking about libel, libel, libel.

00:13:33.820 So there was a very small publishing house on the West Coast that was willing to publish it.

00:13:41.420 And what they understood that the publishers in New York did not understand is that by that time, I had had a couple of grand juries in Nebraska that were used to cover this up.

00:13:58.660 And by that time, I'd had most of the documentation and testimony that had been sealed by one of the grand juries.

00:14:06.640 And I knew that I could say the things that I said in the book.

00:14:11.680 I wasn't worried about litigation because that would involve discovery, and people would have to open them up.

00:14:18.440 And Boys Town is highly litigious.

00:14:20.740 I really indict Boys Town.

00:14:22.200 I found a bunch of Boys Town kids that had been molested, and Boys Town is very litigious, but they did not come after me just because of all the information I had.

00:14:32.600 Yeah, and they don't want to open themselves up to any sort of critique or investigation, et cetera, et cetera.

00:14:38.940 Yes.

00:14:40.100 Interesting.

00:14:40.740 You were talking about these blackmail houses.

00:14:42.880 Can you explain that a little bit more?

00:14:44.660 What exactly is that?

00:14:45.840 What does that mean?

00:14:48.980 There's like Epstein.

00:14:52.200 All his homes are wired for audiovisual blackmail, and we're seeing that same phenomenon with P. Diddy.

00:15:00.580 What you're suggesting is government blackmail.

00:15:04.620 Is that what you're suggesting?

00:15:06.240 Yes, definitely.

00:15:07.740 In this case, Craig Spence was a CIA asset.

00:15:11.200 And I've written two books, The Franklin Scandal, and then I also wrote Confessions of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail.

00:15:19.220 And the second book really focused heavily on Craig Spence, and he would have parties at his house.

00:15:29.420 I mean, they would start out like a straight-up political party, where there would be congressmen and people in the cabinet and high-faluting journalists.

00:15:41.000 I mean, the cream of the crop as far as D.C.

00:15:45.980 And they would be plied with alcohol for a number of hours, and then something inappropriate would happen, like someone would fire up a joint, or someone would break out a line of coke, or something that was inappropriate that was sexual would happen.

00:16:03.100 And then the people that wanted nothing to do with that, they would split, but the people that stuck around, they would be blackmailed.

00:16:13.920 They would essentially be videotaped.

00:16:18.400 And that's how it worked with Epstein, and that's how it worked with Diddy.

00:16:25.080 With Epstein, I started investigating Epstein in 2012.

00:16:29.040 The Franklin scandal had taken a lot out of me, but when I saw that Jeffrey Epstein was very similar, I mean, at that point in 2012, Jeffrey Epstein was considered a lone pedophile.

00:16:46.740 But there were indications to me that there was a network there.

00:16:49.460 So I went down to Florida, and I started knocking on doors, and I ultimately came across Epstein's black book.

00:16:58.860 And I started calling – the black book had all these power brokers, and it had direct dial numbers for, like, Mick Jagger, Bill Clinton, a bunch of different people. 0.61

00:17:11.400 But then there was, like, 200 victims also.

00:17:13.600 And I started calling the victims, and what they told me was being flown around to various milieus and that island.

00:17:25.740 And then at that point, I realized I'm dealing with a network.

00:17:30.800 And as much as Franklin had taken out of me, I felt like I had to go try to pursue getting the word out about Epstein.

00:17:41.120 And it took me – I had Epstein's black book, and I came back to New York, and I tried to get publishers to publish it.

00:17:49.560 And no one would touch it, and finally Gawker, in 2015, published the black book.

00:17:55.300 It took me three years to get Epstein's black book published.

00:17:59.900 Now tons of ink have been spilt on Jeffrey Epstein's black book.

00:18:04.980 And only two publications have given me credit for ushering the black book into public consciousness through the internet.

00:18:14.420 But with Epstein, we have something very similar with Franklin.

00:18:18.840 In 2006, a young girl who was 14 told her parents that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:18:29.260 And the parents went to the D.C. – or to the Tallahassee Police – or Palm Beach Police Department.

00:18:35.420 And Epstein was a billionaire, and he was – no one – the police didn't suspect that Epstein was a child predator.

00:18:48.560 Let alone a child trafficker.

00:18:51.080 So they went to the Palm Beach Police Department, and the girl described his home, the interior of his home, and also described his anatomy.

00:18:58.300 So the Palm Beach Police Department started an investigation, a year-long investigation.

00:19:02.780 They went slow on it, and they were thorough because if they were going to indict Jeffrey Epstein, they knew that they had to have something solid.

00:19:10.880 And they ultimately had the statements of five underage victims, and then they had the statements of 12 people that corroborated the underage victims.

00:19:22.360 But they knew of 23 victims, 23 underage victims of Epstein.

00:19:28.980 And they were going to indict Epstein on – they served a search warrant on Epstein's home, and they were going to indict him on five counts of child abuse.

00:19:38.260 But then that investigation was taken away from them, and it was given to a grand jury, which I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but they're notorious.

00:19:52.580 There was a Supreme Court judge in New York that said, a special prosecutor of a grand jury has so much power over grand juries that they can get them to indict a ham sandwich.

00:20:03.320 And that's what happened with the Franklin Network.

00:20:05.380 That's what happened with the Epstein Network.

00:20:08.620 The grand jury – with the Epstein grand juries has been – the transcripts have been released.

00:20:16.820 And actually, I wrote a blog on that, and it really shows – with a grand jury, one person has chosen to be the special prosecutor, and grand jurors are just people that show up for jury duty.

00:20:31.240 They're just normal citizens.

00:20:33.380 Regular people.

00:20:34.660 Sure.

00:20:34.960 Yeah, and the special prosecutor shows the grand jurors.

00:20:40.060 They have no idea about what crimes have been committed.

00:20:43.140 The special prosecutor shows the grand jurors the evidence and calls the witnesses.

00:20:49.200 So basically, whatever that special prosecutor wants the grand jurors to do, they will do.

00:20:55.140 And at that point, there was a grand jury regarding Epstein, and it was very, very corrupt.

00:21:03.840 But the Palm Beach Police Department knew of 23 victims, and only two victims were called to testify.

00:21:13.560 And they were skewered by this special prosecutor. 0.66

00:21:18.940 She was calling them prostitutes. 1.00

00:21:21.640 One of the girls had been 16 when she was originally molested by Epstein.

00:21:25.020 One of them had been 14, and the one that was 14 was now 16.

00:21:28.880 And they were skewered, so the Palm Beach – that particular grand jury said that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't abused a single child.

00:21:38.760 And it indicted him on one count of adult pandering.

00:21:44.520 And the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, Michael Ryder, just exploded.

00:21:52.280 He called this one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in modern history because he was aware of 23 victims, and he knew how assiduously Epstein had been investigated.

00:22:07.260 So he started to make a lot of noise, and then the feds said that they would indict a grand jury, or the feds said that they would impanel a grand jury.

00:22:17.580 And that grand jury was disbanded, or maybe it was never impaneled.

00:22:27.200 But Alexander Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, was told – and he's never denied this – he was told that Epstein was intelligence, and it was above his pay grade, and that he should back away.

00:22:43.540 So the feds – at that point, the feds had a list of like 35 Epstein victims, underage Epstein victims, and they didn't indict him on a single count of child abuse.

00:22:55.100 Why would the government set up these type of operations in the first place?

00:23:03.060 You talk about these audio and visual blackmail recordings.

00:23:07.140 What would be the point for the government to blackmail somebody like Epstein?

00:23:11.640 Obviously, with his status, his wealth, there's obviously power plays there.

00:23:17.240 But also, same thing with Diddy.

00:23:19.200 You made that suggestion as well.

00:23:21.640 Why the blackmail on those individuals?

00:23:23.780 Because these are powerful individuals.

00:23:28.180 Epstein was pandering children to very powerful individuals.

00:23:32.060 And if you've got videotape of someone molesting a child, you own them.

00:23:37.740 If they're a politician, they're going to vote exactly how you want them to vote.

00:23:43.640 And it's about power.

00:23:48.120 Political blackmail isn't something new.

00:23:52.060 Sure.

00:23:52.200 Alexander Hamilton was actually being blackmailed by the husband of a woman that he was having an affair with who was 23 years old.

00:24:02.480 And a muckraking journalist outed Alexander Hamilton on this affair.

00:24:08.020 And Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson really had an intense antipathy towards each other.

00:24:14.420 And the muckraker felt that Jefferson would offer him a position in his administration because he had sullied Hamilton.

00:24:24.560 But that wasn't the case.

00:24:26.160 Jefferson didn't offer him a position in his administration. 0.73

00:24:30.160 So then he published an article or articles about Jefferson having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings.

00:24:38.280 And that is shown through DNA tests that is shown to be true, that Thomas Jefferson didn't, in fact, have slaves.

00:24:44.880 So our founding fathers, who we elevate to a saintly status, they were blackmailed or had the potential to be blackmailed.

00:24:56.540 So this isn't something new.

00:24:58.040 Yeah, it just seemed – I guess that leads me to ask who then – because a lot of the times we say things like they.

00:25:05.980 They did this.

00:25:07.000 They are doing this.

00:25:08.120 They – it's like, well, who is they?

00:25:09.660 You know, if you're talking about, in this case, Epstein, who's not a politician but very powerful, also having dirt on powerful politicians, who is it then that is blackmailing these politicians or setting up audiovisual assets in order to set these traps?

00:25:27.180 There is a dark, malignant corner of our intelligence that does this.

00:25:34.100 That's been doing it a long time.

00:25:35.600 And Jeffrey Epstein, by himself – Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout from a working-class Coney Island family.

00:25:43.800 Jeffrey Epstein, by himself, could not have blackmailed some of the most powerful people in the world.

00:25:49.680 For example, Les Wexner, who gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his billions of dollars, everything, he had connections to the Genovese – big-time connections to the Genovese crime family.

00:26:02.560 And there's no way that Jeffrey Epstein, by himself, could have blackmailed someone with the power of Les Wexner.

00:26:10.960 There had to be an organization behind Epstein that told these power brokers, Jeffrey Epstein is our man, and if you hurt him, there will be retribution.

00:26:22.160 And the CIA has been blackmailing people for a long time.

00:26:25.740 There's a number of examples of it.

00:26:27.660 And J. Edgar Hoover was a blackmailer.

00:26:30.660 There's a long history – as I said, there's a long history of political blackmailing in our country.

00:26:37.100 But I ultimately think it is some dark, malignant corner of intelligence that has a lot of power.

00:26:43.540 Alexander Acosta was a U.S. attorney, and he was told to stand down when it came to Epstein.

00:26:49.720 He was told to stand down.

00:26:52.640 Now, there's only two people in our government that can tell the U.S. attorney to stand down.

00:27:00.580 One is the president, one is the attorney general.

00:27:03.020 That message could be delivered by a minion of the president or the attorney general.

00:27:07.940 But that's the kind of power that we're dealing with, to make a U.S. attorney to stand down.

00:27:14.160 It comes from the pinnacle of power.

00:27:20.580 Man, I'm going to take a step away from the conversation very quickly.

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00:28:40.580 Let me get back to it.

00:28:41.660 Nick.

00:28:43.480 How does this change, if at all, under a new, well, second Trump presidency?

00:28:50.180 Do we see things changing?

00:28:51.920 Do we see things being outed?

00:28:53.360 I think Trump generally has a reputation for, quote, unquote, draining the swamp, or maybe there's even some misguided optimism that he will, you know, out and root out some of these rats and Maleficent-type actors.

00:29:08.040 Do you see that happening?

00:29:10.160 I would like to see it happen, but Epstein was covered up from 2006 to his death in 2019.

00:29:20.460 So there were four presidential administrations that covered up Epstein.

00:29:25.020 There was George W. Bush, there was Barack Obama, there was Trump, and there was Biden.

00:29:30.240 All four of those administrations, two Republican, two Democrat, none of them indicted any of the perpetrators for Epstein.

00:29:38.220 So I'm skeptical, and I think that I started an organization called Epstein Justice, and our goal is to form a congressional commission, and it has two objectives.

00:29:55.740 It's relatively simple.

00:29:57.100 We want to know why the government covered up child trafficking.

00:30:00.520 And in our legal system, if you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting it.

00:30:04.400 So we want to know why the government aided and abetted child trafficking in the Epstein case.

00:30:09.460 And we also want to know, or we also want all the perpetrators, and we know who a bunch of the perpetrators are because of civil lawsuit documentation.

00:30:18.880 We want them to be prosecuted.

00:30:20.300 It's a simple thing, that our government should not be in the business of aiding and abetting child trafficking, and child molesters should be prosecuted.

00:30:31.860 It's relatively straightforward.

00:30:33.560 It's a hell of a battle, but what Epstein Justice is about is relatively straightforward.

00:30:39.600 Yeah, I have a hard time believing that a lot of this can even be corrected.

00:30:44.540 It seems the bigger government gets, and the more bloated, and the more bureaucracy that's involved, the harder it is to clean up some of this mess.

00:30:51.580 And, of course, there's a lot of power and weight, political and financial power behind making sure that things stay the same and don't actually change.

00:31:00.140 Do we really want a government that aids and abets child trafficking?

00:31:04.760 No, of course not.

00:31:05.480 No one in America wants that.

00:31:08.000 No one.

00:31:09.600 That's why, at this point, as American citizens, we have to band together.

00:31:16.260 We have to expose this dark, malignant corner of intelligence that's been aiding and abetting the trafficking of children, and we need these perpetrators to be prosecuted.

00:31:28.160 And there's also blackmail involved.

00:31:31.200 I interviewed, on my podcast, I interviewed Tim Burchett.

00:31:34.720 He is a U.S. congressman from Tennessee.

00:31:38.620 And he's been very open about talking about his colleagues in Congress being blackmailed and honey traps.

00:31:48.260 He's been very open about it.

00:31:50.520 I'm kind of amazed he's still alive because he's been talking about it since last December.

00:31:54.920 So political blackmail is an integral part of our political system, and we have to clean this out.

00:32:04.460 If we don't correct this, we're going to go off a cliff.

00:32:10.260 We're going to be an empire that has a relatively quick decline.

00:32:18.900 That's what I believe.

00:32:20.300 That's why Epstein justice is so important, is because a lot of our politicians are being blackmailed because of their sexual indiscretions. 0.94

00:32:31.480 I think that's the root of the issue, right, is that because of their behavior, they're making themselves vulnerable to these positions of blackmail, which just exacerbates the problem.

00:32:42.600 And that's something we have to correct, is the blackmail.

00:32:48.900 The government doesn't talk about its politicians being blackmailed, and the media doesn't talk about it, because I think there are people in the media that are compromised.

00:33:00.860 Americans have some nebulous idea that there might be blackmail, but others don't.

00:33:06.000 And I'll give you an example.

00:33:07.740 A friend of mine was an editor at a big magazine, a big magazine in New York.

00:33:14.440 I'm not going to say the magazine because I don't want my buddy – I want my buddy to be able to have employment.

00:33:22.640 Sure.

00:33:22.960 But he was an editor at, I would say, one of the top 10 magazines in the country, certainly, definitely one of the top 20.

00:33:33.200 And he went to his boss with some of my information about blackmail.

00:33:40.380 And his boss, she was the editor-in-chief of a major magazine in New York City, said that she didn't believe that there's political blackmail.

00:33:55.060 I mean, that's the kind of obtuseness that we're dealing with, with the media.

00:34:00.080 I mean, is it really that obtuse, or is it deliberate, right?

00:34:03.460 Obtuse almost makes it sound as if it's ignorance, and I don't think it's that. 0.99

00:34:07.760 I actually – I think a lot of times it's malfeasance, but in her case, she was that ignorant. 0.92

00:34:16.140 I mean, I've been in New York City for 22 years, and I've been a freelance journalist in New York City for 22 years. 0.97

00:34:25.580 And I've encountered a lot of spinelessness and a lot of ignorance.

00:34:34.880 Like I said, I had Jeffrey Epstein's black book in 2012, but it took me three years before a magazine would take that on, or a publication or a platform would take that on.

00:34:46.220 It took me three years, and that's the kind of impediments that I've been dealing with, with these type of stories.

00:34:56.860 Why – you know, if Epstein was such a – I guess a – how do I say – maybe a powerful asset or resource in this blackmailing that takes place, and it sounds like Diddy as well.

00:35:09.820 Why – what ultimately brought them down?

00:35:13.820 Did it just become too public?

00:35:15.460 Because I'm sure the powers that be, if that's the case, would continue to love to have those people in those positions.

00:35:21.760 So what fell apart in those cases?

00:35:24.100 I'll give you a very simple answer.

00:35:26.080 Too much media.

00:35:28.440 It happened with Craig Spence and the Franklin scandal.

00:35:31.700 It happened with Epstein, and it happened with Diddy.

00:35:34.900 And with Epstein and Diddy, there were a number of civil lawsuits that were being launched at both of them.

00:35:43.140 And a blackmailer isn't going to be able to be a blackmailer if people know that he's a blackmailer.

00:35:50.820 And at that point, when there was a critical mass of civil lawsuits against both Epstein and Diddy, it was time to take them down, both of them.

00:36:01.040 It's interesting.

00:36:02.080 You know, I had a – this was probably last year I had a podcast with Ricky Schroeder, and we talked a little bit briefly, not as much as I should have delved into it.

00:36:11.840 But he talked about the government recruiting child actors, not necessarily for sex trafficking, but political propaganda.

00:36:20.520 So this spans not just sexual indiscretion and child trafficking, but just about every possible scenario you can envision.

00:36:31.420 When you think about blackmail, our legislators are making decisions that affect every American, every American.

00:36:44.980 So there's a tremendous amount of power involved.

00:36:49.860 And I think that people on the Supreme Court are also compromised.

00:36:54.820 I believe that Clarence Thomas is compromised.

00:36:57.480 You can go to my blog or go to my website, nickbrinenyc.com.

00:37:02.180 I've written a very long piece on Clarence Thomas.

00:37:06.200 He was affiliated with the Franklin Network that I wrote about.

00:37:09.840 And he's a nasty piece of work, and there's no way that he isn't compromised.

00:37:16.200 And I know that conservatives think the world of Clarence Thomas, but if you read my blog, you'll have a second take on Clarence Thomas.

00:37:25.360 It's important that people in the judiciary are blackmailed also, and also in law enforcement.

00:37:31.400 I'll have to take a look at that blog because I have not read that.

00:37:35.620 I know that Clarence Thomas was in a little bit of hot water, maybe lukewarm water, a year or two ago about maybe some finance violations or conflicts of interest.

00:37:49.140 I can't remember exactly, but it seems like there was something there, not to the extent that you're talking about, though.

00:37:53.840 There were seven or eight Anita Hills that the Senate Judiciary knew about before they voted on Thomas.

00:38:04.220 And actually, a woman named Angela Wright, who had also worked for Thomas at the Equal Opportunity Commission, had Thomas had done the exact same thing to her, and she had been subpoenaed.

00:38:16.600 So in the very least, you were going to have two women corroborate each other.

00:38:21.980 There could have been a lot more, but you were going to have two women corroborate each other. 1.00

00:38:26.720 And her subpoena was lifted by Joe Biden, who was the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee at that point.

00:38:35.380 So it became a he said, she said, even though they knew, and I'm talking when I say they, I'm talking about the Senate Judiciary Committee.

00:38:44.740 They knew of a number of women that were hassled by Clarence Thomas.

00:38:51.760 And there was a book that came out.

00:38:54.620 It was written by a former New York Times reporter, and it's called Strange Justice.

00:39:01.440 And Thomas lived around the corner from a video store, and he spent a lot of time in the adult section of that video store.

00:39:12.140 And he was talking to Anita Hill about porno stars, and people thought that that was beyond the pale of what Anita Hill was saying, because surely Clarence Thomas wouldn't be talking about porno stars. 0.83

00:39:28.200 So according to that book, Strange Justice, Clarence Thomas seems to be a porn addict and a serial harasser of women. 0.93

00:39:40.660 Right. When when you make these sort of allegations, it's probably I imagine brings a lot of hot water on onto you, a lot of heat onto you. 0.85

00:39:53.420 What what type of backlash have you seen?

00:39:55.860 I know when you were talking about the Franklin scandal, there was the last day, I think you said was a death threat.

00:40:01.400 I'm sure you've had other situations, whether in person or threats through digital technology.

00:40:08.200 What does that look like?

00:40:09.140 Well, it's been quite an adventure.

00:40:12.220 I got it.

00:40:13.700 I'm sure I've only had one overt death threat.

00:40:20.400 I have been followed.

00:40:23.180 I've gotten some very, very strange messages.

00:40:29.420 On my voicemail.

00:40:31.400 And there was a government institution that took an interest in me, a pretty acute interest.

00:40:42.800 But the thing about it is, I'm clean.

00:40:48.800 You know, I'm not I like adults.

00:40:52.080 I mean, I'm a heterosexual who and I'm getting on in years.

00:40:57.420 So I can't imagine having a relationship with someone under, you know, 50.

00:41:03.780 And I pay my taxes.

00:41:08.240 I don't drink.

00:41:09.560 I don't smoke.

00:41:10.560 I don't do drugs.

00:41:13.400 So it's very hard to take me down.

00:41:17.020 And everybody who knows me knows I don't drink.

00:41:20.660 I don't smoke.

00:41:21.580 And I don't take drugs.

00:41:22.720 And I've never tried to commit suicide before.

00:41:27.940 And people are aware of my, there's a lot of people out there that are aware of my situation.

00:41:33.440 I think that the dark, malignant corner of the government that we're talking about has really worked very hard to contain me.

00:41:46.560 I couldn't get the book published.

00:41:49.400 I couldn't get the Franklin Scandal published by a major publisher.

00:41:53.080 And the Wikipedia page makes the Franklin Scandal out to be nonsense.

00:41:57.780 Now, there has been battles over that Wikipedia page.

00:42:01.340 And people insist that these, quote, unquote, editors insist on making the story sound nonsensical and like a, quote, unquote, conspiracy theory.

00:42:13.840 And you can go to my website and I can show you the battles that have gone on in Wikipedia.

00:42:20.100 Now that page is frozen.

00:42:21.740 And it really makes the Franklin Scandal look nonsensical.

00:42:26.140 And I've also been attacked on Amazon.

00:42:32.340 There's ways that have been used to contain me, to make sure.

00:42:40.900 The mainstream media pretty much stays away from me.

00:42:44.400 I've been on Newsmax.

00:42:45.960 I've been on Lou Dobbs' show.

00:42:49.660 I'll give you an example.

00:42:51.320 CNN called me up.

00:42:52.600 And last January, there was going to be an unloading of Jeffrey Epstein documents.

00:42:59.460 And they called me up.

00:43:00.700 And since I was the guy that ushered the Black Book into public consciousness, they invited me to talk about these documents that were going to be released.

00:43:11.660 Hundreds of pages of documents.

00:43:13.180 And, you know, I talked to the producer and then I talked to, I started, I was texting with him.

00:43:22.780 And about an hour before I was to go on, I said, I'd also like to talk about Epstein Justice.

00:43:27.860 It's an organization that I formed that really wants to, we're really, really working very assiduously for a president, for a congressional commission.

00:43:39.240 And then about 10 minutes later, I get a text, Nick, we're going to go in another direction.

00:43:48.060 And that has happened to me.

00:43:50.340 There was a Fox affiliate that was going to interview me.

00:43:55.440 And this is when the Sandusky stuff was breaking.

00:43:59.700 And this junior producer had read my book, The Franklin Scandal, and she really wanted to talk to me about Sandusky and my experience with the cover-up of child abuse.

00:44:13.020 And she was going through my editor, and then her boss, a senior editor, called, or not my editor, my publisher, called my publisher, and my publisher arranged for me to talk to her.

00:44:25.940 And I talked to her for about two or three minutes, and she called my publisher back and said I sounded incoherent, that they weren't going to put me on.

00:44:36.740 And now, you can say a lot of things about me, but I generally, I'm a very articulate guy, and I never, ever sound incoherent, or very seldom.

00:44:48.660 So there have been, now, why do these media, these major media shirk their responsibility from having me on?

00:44:58.860 Is it something in their culture?

00:45:02.580 Is it an order from on high?

00:45:05.400 I don't know.

00:45:08.100 Hmm. 0.94

00:45:09.280 Yeah, I imagine one of the easiest, most effective ways to keep you quiet or contain you, as you said, would just be to paint you as someone who's crazy or a little bit of a kook or, you know, whatever you want to call it. 0.99

00:45:23.700 And paint you that way, and paint this as extreme conspiracy theory.

00:45:28.420 It is interesting.

00:45:29.380 Conspiracy theory obviously has a negative connotation, but there are actually conspiracies.

00:45:34.900 And I think it's important that we acknowledge that conspiracies do, in fact, exist.

00:45:39.660 That doesn't make you a crazy conspiracy theorist, though.

00:45:44.040 Conspiracy, I mean, a conspiracy is two or people getting together and committing a crime.

00:45:48.580 Right.

00:45:48.960 There are thousands and thousands and thousands of conspiracies in the United States every year.

00:45:56.680 In 1967, people were very skeptical of the Warren Commission.

00:46:03.840 They did not believe, most Americans, and actually, it's still that way, the majority of Americans did not think that Oswald acted alone.

00:46:12.320 They felt that there was a conspiracy.

00:46:13.740 So, in 1967, the CIA released what they called a dispatch.

00:46:23.220 And it said, these people that don't believe the Warren Commission, we're going to position them as conspiracy theorists.

00:46:31.860 And then there was a long list, and you can go to my website, I've got the document, and then there was a long list of how we're going to position conspiracy theorists and the various ways that we're going to make them look negative.

00:46:49.480 And after that, before that 1967 CIA memo, the New York Times and the Washington Post used conspiracy theory or conspiracy theorists about once a year.

00:47:01.660 But after that, it exploded exponentially.

00:47:07.140 And whoever the CIA individual or individuals who wrote that dispatch, that 1967 dispatch, I mean, they should be getting lots of royalties because that dispatch has really paid off.

00:47:20.080 Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's been very effective if you want to cover it up.

00:47:24.820 And that's as old as time, too, is discredit the witness, right?

00:47:27.660 Just discredit them as best you can, and then you don't know what to believe and what not to believe. 0.99

00:47:33.560 Kill the messenger.

00:47:34.660 On my blog and my website, I just released an article called Nuke the Messenger, and I get into three examples of the big three, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the LA Times, going after other newspapers that are trying to break stories that are negative towards the CIA.

00:48:00.140 And Gary Webb is a perfect example of that.

00:48:03.100 I use Gary Webb as one example of the big three going after San Jose Mercury News and Gary Webb.

00:48:11.260 And Gary Webb had actually won a Pulitzer Prize.

00:48:14.720 So he was a very accomplished journalist.

00:48:17.920 But those three newspapers managed to destroy him.

00:48:24.080 Bringing this back to the original conversation that we were having, especially when it comes to child sex trafficking, which obviously is a huge problem.

00:48:32.660 You know, we're talking about it at the highest echelons of government, the most powerful people in the world.

00:48:37.280 I'm not that, you know, and everybody who's listening is certainly not in that position.

00:48:40.920 What does a man do who's trying to lead his family, trying to show up in his community outside of making this information available and bringing it to light?

00:48:51.600 What does he do to protect his family and his community in a powerful way?

00:48:55.580 People can certainly protect their families from this.

00:48:59.640 Although sometimes people are trafficked from families that you wouldn't think would lend themselves to being trafficked.

00:49:11.020 But trafficking exists in all social strata.

00:49:14.200 Whether we're talking about the super wealthy or we're talking about people living in trailer courts. 0.99

00:49:19.300 I mean, trafficking exists.

00:49:22.620 To be a man is to do the right thing.

00:49:28.060 There's a lot of things, variables that go into being a good man.

00:49:32.480 But I think the number one variable is doing the right thing.

00:49:37.160 And if people really want to do the right thing regarding this issue, they can join us at EpsteinJustice.com.

00:49:45.700 And we can get a critical mass.

00:49:50.440 And we've been growing.

00:49:52.180 It's been slow.

00:49:53.160 It's been a battle.

00:49:54.060 But we're growing.

00:49:54.720 More and more people want to do the right thing.

00:49:57.260 It ultimately comes down to, do you want your government aiding and abetting the trafficking of children?

00:50:05.900 That's what it ultimately comes down to.

00:50:07.660 And people say no, but a lot of people are apathetic.

00:50:13.420 A lot of people are cynical that this can't be changed.

00:50:17.060 But this is a battle for the soul of America.

00:50:24.880 That's what I believe.

00:50:26.200 That we're engaged in a battle for the soul of America.

00:50:28.940 Because a government that aids and abets child trafficking has got to go.

00:50:36.800 Has got to go.

00:50:37.940 I think a lot of people probably assume that it's not their issue or it won't happen to them.

00:50:46.080 Therefore, you know, maybe it's just, I don't think it's ill will or anything like that.

00:50:52.520 I think it's just a little bit of just being oblivious.

00:50:54.700 Because it's not a situation or a circumstance that impacts them or their family directly.

00:50:59.260 And so we're all busy.

00:51:00.860 You know, I hate to say it that way, but that's the reality of it.

00:51:05.080 With Epstein Justice, we're asking for people to give us some time.

00:51:10.000 And we're asking for contributions.

00:51:12.880 And I don't think that we're asking that much.

00:51:16.220 You can give us a contribution and you will be helping our cause.

00:51:20.600 If people want to participate more than that, we're more than willing to embrace them.

00:51:28.660 But I understand that people are busy with their lives.

00:51:33.120 But again, we have got a government that is out of control and doing some nefarious things.

00:51:41.740 And ultimately, do we want our children growing up in a government that is aiding and abetting child trafficking?

00:51:51.120 I mean, it's only going to get worse if it's not stopped.

00:51:56.180 Do we want our children growing up in that type of environment?

00:51:59.980 That's what I would say.

00:52:02.080 Yeah, there's a quote that comes to mind is that we encourage what we tolerate.

00:52:05.240 And so if we allow things like this to happen, not only are we, like you said earlier, apathetic to it, we're actually encouraging it to continue, which makes it worse and worse and worse.

00:52:14.640 And we won't have to bear the burden of that.

00:52:16.320 Our kids and our grandkids will.

00:52:19.240 There's a great quote that's been attributed to the Englishman Edmund Burke.

00:52:25.680 Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

00:52:28.540 And there's a lot of good men out there.

00:52:33.800 And are we going to let evil flourish?

00:52:36.620 I mean, that's really the bottom line.

00:52:39.580 And what kind of world are we going to give our children if we allow evil to flourish?

00:52:47.100 As I said earlier, this is a battle for the soul of America.

00:52:52.300 That's what I believe.

00:52:53.380 And I've been at this for 22 years.

00:52:55.820 And I know of other networks that have been covered up.

00:53:01.640 And this is something we have to stop.

00:53:04.980 And what's interesting is when you start looking at the cover-ups of these crimes, you start looking at the same people.

00:53:13.960 William Barr was Bush 1's attorney general who covered up the Franklin trafficking network.

00:53:20.300 And he was Trump's attorney general, and he covered up the Epstein trafficking network.

00:53:28.140 And the U.S. attorney, he just resigned.

00:53:30.900 His name is Damian Williams.

00:53:34.880 He covered up Epstein, and also did he.

00:53:38.640 And he covered up Epstein by – there was a – in the Glenn Maxwell trial, only four of the victims were called.

00:53:45.460 And those four victims had only been molested by Maxwell and Epstein.

00:53:51.220 That grand jury did not call any of the other perpetrators – or I should say any of the victims who had been molested by other perpetrators.

00:53:58.920 And Damian Williams carefully choreographed that trial so no one else would be implicated other than Maxwell and Epstein.

00:54:10.500 And he was also the U.S. attorney that oversaw the Diddy grand jury.

00:54:18.120 And Diddy has trafficked – I mean, according to these lawsuits, he's prolifically trafficked children.

00:54:24.900 But he wasn't indicted on the single count of child trafficking.

00:54:28.660 And both with Maxwell and with Diddy, they're indicted on conspiracies.

00:54:33.980 But no one else is indicted.

00:54:36.240 How does that happen?

00:54:37.920 Who are they conspiring with?

00:54:39.400 Yeah.

00:54:40.080 I mean, so we have that, too, that we have these two conspiracies, and only one person gets indicted.

00:54:48.920 I mean, that right out of the gate shows that there's a cover-up.

00:54:52.940 But where do you think the Diddy case goes from here?

00:54:57.840 I mean, obviously, I think what you were saying earlier, because there's so much light and attention and media coverage brought to it, there's no way that he doesn't take a fall.

00:55:08.140 But I don't really think anything more will come of it than that.

00:55:10.920 Absolutely.

00:55:13.300 I was prophesying this months ago, that Diddy will fall, and maybe one of his kids will fall.

00:55:24.000 But no one else is going to fall with Diddy.

00:55:27.960 I would be very surprised.

00:55:29.720 And if you look into Diddy's history, his father was a drug dealer.

00:55:37.860 I think he was a drug dealer in the Frank Lucas Network, and he was also an informant, and he was murdered.

00:55:47.320 Diddy was, and then he dropped out of Howard University, and he got into the music biz.

00:55:54.040 And then in 1993, he hooked up with Clive Davis, and Clive Davis is this – there was a documentary about him, which is basically – it was an infomercial.

00:56:07.160 Clive Davis is this benign octogenarian, or seemingly benign octogenarian.

00:56:11.980 But he's a hard, cold criminal, Clive Davis.

00:56:17.820 Clive Davis has been busted three times defrauding the IRS.

00:56:24.720 If you work – if you manage a record company or you're the CEO of a record company, record companies cannot give money to radios to play songs.

00:56:36.180 It's against the law.

00:56:37.040 It's called payola.

00:56:37.760 And he was busted in the biggest payola scandal ever.

00:56:43.260 And then there was a Genovese family member named Pasquale Falcone who got busted smuggling, I believe, 22 pounds of heroin in to the United States.

00:56:54.840 And as the feds started digging deeper and deeper into Falcone, they saw that he was affiliated with all of these shell companies.

00:57:04.320 And when they started digging into the shell companies, it was Falcone and Clive Davis that were the head of these shell companies.

00:57:16.040 And what Clive Davis was is he was taking money – he was the CEO or president of CBS Records.

00:57:20.920 He was taking money from CBS and putting it in these shell companies, partnering with a guy that's in the Genovese crime family.

00:57:32.180 And that's what we know about.

00:57:34.620 But you know how much time for all those crimes Clive Davis spent in prison?

00:57:42.300 No.

00:57:43.180 Take a guess.

00:57:44.900 A couple of years maybe?

00:57:46.520 He wasn't even put in a jail.

00:57:51.080 Really?

00:57:52.240 He wasn't even put in a jail.

00:57:54.940 He walked from all that.

00:57:57.200 So he forms Bad Boy Records with P. Diddy.

00:58:02.020 And I think that – and this is my personal belief, but I've been looking at this area for a long time.

00:58:09.640 The only way Clive Davis walks from all those crimes without spending one day in jail is if he's working with the government as an informant.

00:58:23.660 Right.

00:58:24.860 So I believe that Clive Davis took Diddy by the hand and they went on the yellow brick road together.

00:58:31.100 And the criminality of Diddy just escalated.

00:58:38.100 I mean, Diddy was already a sociopathic criminal.

00:58:41.480 But I think his criminal activity just escalated. 0.58

00:58:46.420 And he had committed many, many crimes.

00:58:51.200 And one of them was a shooting at his studio that was covered up by the LAPD.

00:58:58.300 I've got a video on my podcast about – it's called P. Diddy and Hip Hop Babylon, where I get into these various crimes that were covered up for Diddy.

00:59:12.300 So that's where I think Diddy ultimately got started in the business of blackmail is with Clive Davis.

00:59:21.280 Well, it'll be interesting to see as you continue to do your work.

00:59:26.160 And a lot of this is brought to light, hopefully more and more of it, so we can start to oust this for what it is.

00:59:32.220 Will you let the guys know where to connect with you with Epstein Justice?

00:59:35.540 You also referenced your blog and your podcast.

00:59:38.400 Please mention those as well because I'm sure a lot of people are interested and hopefully they are and they want to support what you're doing and your mission.

00:59:44.020 You can go to EpsteinJustice.com and there's a petition that you can sign that's got, I think, 43,000 signatures at this point.

00:59:56.820 There's a form letter that will go to your federal congresspeople.

01:00:02.040 I saw that letter.

01:00:03.580 Yeah.

01:00:03.840 Yeah.

01:00:04.320 So there's things that can be done immediately if you go to our website.

01:00:09.740 And then you can also volunteer or at least get on our mailing list.

01:00:17.920 We have a monthly newsletter that comes out every other month.

01:00:24.800 So that's a starting point.

01:00:26.840 EpsteinJustice.com.

01:00:28.600 If you want to check out my work, go to NickBryantNYC.com.

01:00:36.240 NickBryantNYC.com.

01:00:39.760 And I live in the heart of New York City.

01:00:42.020 I'm from Minneapolis, but I've been living here for 30 years.

01:00:44.940 It's kind of, I miss Minneapolis.

01:00:47.520 I spent a week in Minneapolis over Thanksgiving.

01:00:50.400 I was thinking, why do I want to go back to New York City?

01:00:52.880 But anyway, well, it was cold.

01:00:54.700 I will say that it was eight degrees one day.

01:00:56.560 I'm sure it was miserable.

01:00:57.960 I spend a little bit of time every year outside of Minneapolis, but it does get cold.

01:01:03.280 It gets very cold.

01:01:04.300 And then the Nick Bryant podcast, we've had that for a couple of years.

01:01:09.000 And it's getting bigger.

01:01:10.880 It's getting bigger.

01:01:11.900 My message is not a message that people want to hear, that the government has aid and embedded

01:01:18.680 child trafficking, that our legislators are being blackmailed.

01:01:23.700 That is not a message that people want to hear because it's not reported in the mainstream media.

01:01:28.680 And a lot of times when it's reported in the alternative media, people go a bridge too far.

01:01:35.160 My reporting is very circumspect.

01:01:37.900 And if you read my work, you will see.

01:01:41.800 And actually, there's a very long Epstein article I wrote, if you go to EpsteinJustice.com, that was published by the Sheer Post, where I really provide evidence.

01:01:54.340 There's a lot of links in that particular article where I really bring the goods.

01:01:58.840 I've been an investigative journalist for a number of years, and I pride myself in not going a bridge too far.

01:02:08.640 There's a lot of things when you're writing and doing investigative journalism.

01:02:13.460 There's what you know, and there's what you can tell.

01:02:17.340 And I stick to only what I can tell that has the evidence.

01:02:26.640 I would love to open up and say what I know, but that would be really – that would be very counterproductive for me.

01:02:39.640 I only go where I can show evidence, and that's – I've been that way my entire career.

01:02:46.820 Well, I think that's being an integrity as a journalist, so I commend you for that, and I wish more people would do that as well.

01:02:54.700 Well, Nick, it was great to talk with you today.

01:02:56.300 We're going to sync everything up so the guys can connect more.

01:02:58.780 I appreciate you and your work, and I'll help support in the ways that I can because this is a message that more people need to hear and get involved with.

01:03:05.840 Thanks for joining me today, Nick.

01:03:07.140 Thank you, Ryan. Have yourself a great day.

01:03:09.360 You too.

01:03:09.760 Gentlemen, Nick Bryant, I hope you enjoyed the podcast, and I hope it rallied you to be frustrated, to be angry maybe even a little bit, and I think that's justified.

01:03:22.140 That's righteous to be angry when appropriate, and I would ask that you go check out Nick's work over at Epstein Justice, or that's, again, his nonprofit,

01:03:31.480 or even his book, The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal, and then check out his blog as well.

01:03:38.300 There's a lot of great information he's talking about.

01:03:41.200 There's a lot of information that you can gather, and there's a lot of great ways to support as well.

01:03:44.900 And whether you can get directly involved or help contribute, we got to get involved.

01:03:50.740 This is not acceptable.

01:03:53.260 Our government cannot be engaged in child sex trafficking, and they cannot be complicit in it, and they cannot be covering it up.

01:04:01.440 And it's up to us as men, private citizens, individuals, to step up to the plate and make sure that justice is served for the victims of these scandals and against those who would victimize others.

01:04:16.800 Check out Nick's work.

01:04:18.080 Check out the Iron Council.

01:04:19.780 Again, we're opening up right now.

01:04:21.420 We're open as of yesterday, two days ago maybe, and we'll be open for a couple of weeks,

01:04:26.460 so get banded with us inside of the Iron Council at orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.

01:04:31.440 Guys, until then, when we come back on tomorrow for our Ask Me Anything, go out there, take action, and become the man you are meant to be.

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Order of Man - December 17, 2024

NICK BRYANT ｜ How Political Blackmail Exacerbates Sex Scandals

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