Nick Bryant is an investigative journalist and author who covers many government conspiracies and cover-ups, but notably spends the bulk of his work as an outspoken advocate against child sex trafficking. He is also the man responsible for bringing Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book to light in the midst of uncovering one of the largest and most prolific sex scandals in history.
00:00:00.000We are without a shortage of sex scandals from Jeffrey Epstein to P. Diddy and now implicated Jay-Z, but sex scandals from the highest echelons of entertainment, social elites, and political juggernauts are nothing new.
00:00:15.020In fact, Alexander Hamilton was once outed for having an affair with a married woman, and even Thomas Jefferson was proven to have been sleeping with his slave.
00:00:24.380Unfortunately, the trend continues with seemingly increasing high-profile cases against these villains and their sexual improprieties.
00:00:33.500Today, I'm joined by investigative journalist Nick Bryant to talk about his decades-long work against child sex trafficking.
00:00:41.340Today, Nick and I talk about the similarities between Epstein and Diddy, why and how these blackmailing strategies turn into political weapons and assets,
00:00:50.420why these pedophiles get caught when they do, and what a man can do to protect his loved ones and serve a greater calling to destroy these rats.
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00:02:41.740All right, guys, with that said, let me introduce you to my guest today, Nick Bryant, is an investigative journalist and author, where he covers many government conspiracies and cover-ups, but notably spending the bulk of his work as an outspoken advocate against child sex trafficking.
00:03:03.620His first high-profile investigation, Nick spent seven years investigating the Franklin scandal and wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal.
00:03:16.900He is also the man responsible for bringing Jeffrey Epstein's little black book to light in the midst of uncovering one of the largest and most prolific sex scandals in history.
00:03:27.240And today, he continues his work with Epstein Justice, which is a nonprofit to bring justice to the victims of Epstein and his fellow perpetrators, and for those who have been irreparably damaged by their actions.
00:03:45.740Nick, so good to see you this morning. Thanks for joining me on the podcast.
00:03:51.100Yeah, a mutual friend of ours, Josh Wellman, connected us, and I thought, you know, this is something that we need to talk about.
00:03:56.160My show is dedicated towards helping men be better leaders in their communities, business owners, fathers, husbands, et cetera, and I can't really think of a better way to step into that role than protect the women in our lives, protect our children, and you've been fighting hard to ensure that we're protecting them against sexual exploitation and trafficking.
00:04:19.680I've been researching and writing about child exploitation and trafficking for about 22 years.
00:04:25.000So, I guess you could call me a veteran in the fight.
00:04:29.940Yeah, is there a reason that you gravitated towards this?
00:04:33.440I know a little bit about your story as an investigative journalist, and obviously there's so many different routes that you can go with, you know, government involvement and government cover-ups, excuse me, some of which you have covered.
00:04:45.620But it seems like you really narrowed down and honed it on this particular subject.
00:04:51.480I was always very receptive to children's issues, and I'd written about children's issues for about five years, and I had had a difficult childhood.
00:05:04.420So, I resonate with people that have had difficult childhoods.
00:05:09.420And I didn't have a difficult childhood because I was bad.
00:05:12.620I mean, I just had a difficult childhood because I had a malevolent stepfather.
00:05:17.520I mean, I eventually became bad, but not initially.
00:05:22.140So, I'd written quite a bit about lower socioeconomic children in the United States.
00:05:27.280And actually, I'd written a book about it, too, called America's Children, Triumph or Tragedy.
00:05:58.100So, the topic that I was pitching him on was a cult called the Finders that were busted for child trafficking in Callahassee, Florida.
00:06:08.620I talk a lot about it in my book, The Franklin Scandal.
00:06:12.800And they had six kids that were ragamuffins, and there were two of them that were dressed relatively nicely.
00:06:18.660And some concerned citizens called the police, and the police went to the park, and they took one look at the kids.
00:06:26.280They took one look at the two finders.
00:06:29.160And they put the kids in protective child services, and then they took the finders and indicted them on multiple kinds of child abuse.
00:06:37.460And Washington, D.C. police called the Tallahassee police and said, we're also looking into the finders because they're possibly related to a homicide that's been unsolved.
00:06:55.500And then the U.S. Customs got involved because it was pornography, child pornography.
00:06:59.400So, the D.C. police and the U.S. Customs converged on the finders' warehouse, and what they found was truly horrific, truly horrific.
00:07:09.520And I've got the U.S. Customs report is so bizarre that I put the whole thing in my book, The Franklin Scandal, the entire U.S. Customs report.
00:07:20.820So, ultimately, they found a lot of incriminating things.
00:07:26.720I mean, there was a telex about buying two children.
00:07:30.380There was information on various families that needed babysitters.
00:07:36.040I mean, the finders seemed to be very interested in children in a very deleterious kind of way.
00:07:44.460And then the person, the U.S. Customs officer that wrote that report, it was about three days later, he hadn't noticed anything was happening.
00:07:56.820So, he went to the D.C. police and said, what's going on with our investigation?
00:08:03.320And the D.C. police said, well, it's becoming a CIA internal matter, and there is no more investigation.
00:08:12.080I mean, what would the CIA have to do with, well, first of all, the CIA shouldn't have any kind of say domestically, but what would the CIA be doing with this weird cult?
00:08:27.000And why are they quashing this investigation into seemingly horrific child abuse?
00:08:35.660I mean, I realized that for something like that to happen, that I'd missed a lot in my investigations, in my life, in my education.
00:08:46.120It did not fit into a paradigm that I previously had.
00:08:49.660So, that U.S. Customs Report caused a paradigm shift.
00:08:53.680And I heard of another network that was similar that was in Omaha, Nebraska, and I went and investigated that, and I was pretty skeptical.
00:09:05.140There was a lot of internet innuendo about it, about it being a transcontinental network, having intelligence ties.
00:09:13.620And it was very similar to what was found with the finders, and it also, the innuendo said that there were, this network was trafficking Boys Town students, which is, Boys Town is the, probably the most famous orphanage in the world.
00:09:31.860And it has great PR, and no one thought anything bad ever happened at Boys Town.
00:09:38.580So, I went to Omaha somewhat skeptical about the story.
00:09:46.600And then, by the time I got to Omaha, I quickly came across a lot of information that was sealed by a grand jury.
00:09:57.580And then, I came up, and then I started to talk to people that were involved in it.
00:10:02.140And it was like I was doing an expose on KGB, on the KGB in Stalinist Russia.
00:10:08.420I mean, people were frightened to talk about this.
00:10:12.040And then, on my last day there, I had a death threat.
00:10:15.800So, or my last night there, I had a death threat.
00:10:18.160So, at that point, I realized this is real.
00:10:23.080Well, everything that was on the Internet, or much of what was on the Internet, there was some crazy stuff on the Internet, but much of what was on the Internet was true.
00:10:34.000And I came back to New York City, and I was just stunned.
00:10:38.140And I was walking through Washington Square Park with my mentor.
00:10:44.440He was a retired journalist, and his name was Jerry Ballinger, a wonderful person.
00:10:49.900And I told him, Jerry, you know, it's all true.
00:11:21.340And I said, you know, all these kids were destroyed by this network.
00:11:28.560And I don't think I could live with myself, knowing that I might have been able to do something about it.
00:11:34.120And it took me seven years and a lot of work.
00:11:40.340But I eventually wrote a book about that particular network.
00:11:43.840It was called The Franklin Scandal, A Story of Power Brokers, Child Abuse, and Matriot.
00:11:48.540It's interesting is not the right word.
00:11:51.240It doesn't do the story justice or what you talk about justice.
00:11:54.660But it's so hard for me to even wrap my head around the idea that there is – that sex trafficking in the year 2024 is as prevalent, maybe even more so, than it's ever been throughout human history.
00:12:09.240I just – I cannot fathom how it is possible.
00:12:13.200And I also can't help but think there are a lot of powerful people in the game, so to speak, covering this up, covering their tracks.
00:12:20.960And not only allowing it to happen, but maybe even advocating it behind closed doors.
00:12:26.540There we get into other examples of what I stumbled across with The Franklin Scandal.
00:12:33.180And The Franklin Scandal was published in 2009, 2010.
00:12:47.660And I also went to Washington, D.C. a number of times because there were people there that I wanted to talk to.
00:12:54.980And a lot of these kids had been flown to Washington, D.C., where there was a blackmail house.
00:13:00.240The parties would go down in a house that was wired for audiovisual blackmail.
00:13:04.240And the guy that owned the house was the CIS that named Craig Spence.
00:13:08.580So I think that book finally came out in 2009, 2010.
00:13:13.100I could not get a big publisher to look at it.
00:13:16.200I had a really good agent who tried to sell it, and she couldn't sell it or didn't even want to deal with selling it.
00:13:22.520And then I had another agent who wasn't as good, who was pretty good, and he couldn't sell it.
00:13:28.500And I met with some publishers, and they kept on talking about libel, libel, libel.
00:13:33.820So there was a very small publishing house on the West Coast that was willing to publish it.
00:13:41.420And what they understood that the publishers in New York did not understand is that by that time, I had had a couple of grand juries in Nebraska that were used to cover this up.
00:13:58.660And by that time, I'd had most of the documentation and testimony that had been sealed by one of the grand juries.
00:14:06.640And I knew that I could say the things that I said in the book.
00:14:11.680I wasn't worried about litigation because that would involve discovery, and people would have to open them up.
00:14:22.200I found a bunch of Boys Town kids that had been molested, and Boys Town is very litigious, but they did not come after me just because of all the information I had.
00:14:32.600Yeah, and they don't want to open themselves up to any sort of critique or investigation, et cetera, et cetera.
00:15:07.740In this case, Craig Spence was a CIA asset.
00:15:11.200And I've written two books, The Franklin Scandal, and then I also wrote Confessions of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail.
00:15:19.220And the second book really focused heavily on Craig Spence, and he would have parties at his house.
00:15:29.420I mean, they would start out like a straight-up political party, where there would be congressmen and people in the cabinet and high-faluting journalists.
00:15:41.000I mean, the cream of the crop as far as D.C.
00:15:45.980And they would be plied with alcohol for a number of hours, and then something inappropriate would happen, like someone would fire up a joint, or someone would break out a line of coke, or something that was inappropriate that was sexual would happen.
00:16:03.100And then the people that wanted nothing to do with that, they would split, but the people that stuck around, they would be blackmailed.
00:16:18.400And that's how it worked with Epstein, and that's how it worked with Diddy.
00:16:25.080With Epstein, I started investigating Epstein in 2012.
00:16:29.040The Franklin scandal had taken a lot out of me, but when I saw that Jeffrey Epstein was very similar, I mean, at that point in 2012, Jeffrey Epstein was considered a lone pedophile.
00:16:46.740But there were indications to me that there was a network there.
00:16:49.460So I went down to Florida, and I started knocking on doors, and I ultimately came across Epstein's black book.
00:16:58.860And I started calling – the black book had all these power brokers, and it had direct dial numbers for, like, Mick Jagger, Bill Clinton, a bunch of different people.
00:17:11.400But then there was, like, 200 victims also.
00:17:13.600And I started calling the victims, and what they told me was being flown around to various milieus and that island.
00:17:25.740And then at that point, I realized I'm dealing with a network.
00:17:30.800And as much as Franklin had taken out of me, I felt like I had to go try to pursue getting the word out about Epstein.
00:17:41.120And it took me – I had Epstein's black book, and I came back to New York, and I tried to get publishers to publish it.
00:17:49.560And no one would touch it, and finally Gawker, in 2015, published the black book.
00:17:55.300It took me three years to get Epstein's black book published.
00:17:59.900Now tons of ink have been spilt on Jeffrey Epstein's black book.
00:18:04.980And only two publications have given me credit for ushering the black book into public consciousness through the internet.
00:18:14.420But with Epstein, we have something very similar with Franklin.
00:18:18.840In 2006, a young girl who was 14 told her parents that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.
00:18:29.260And the parents went to the D.C. – or to the Tallahassee Police – or Palm Beach Police Department.
00:18:35.420And Epstein was a billionaire, and he was – no one – the police didn't suspect that Epstein was a child predator.
00:18:51.080So they went to the Palm Beach Police Department, and the girl described his home, the interior of his home, and also described his anatomy.
00:18:58.300So the Palm Beach Police Department started an investigation, a year-long investigation.
00:19:02.780They went slow on it, and they were thorough because if they were going to indict Jeffrey Epstein, they knew that they had to have something solid.
00:19:10.880And they ultimately had the statements of five underage victims, and then they had the statements of 12 people that corroborated the underage victims.
00:19:22.360But they knew of 23 victims, 23 underage victims of Epstein.
00:19:28.980And they were going to indict Epstein on – they served a search warrant on Epstein's home, and they were going to indict him on five counts of child abuse.
00:19:38.260But then that investigation was taken away from them, and it was given to a grand jury, which I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but they're notorious.
00:19:52.580There was a Supreme Court judge in New York that said, a special prosecutor of a grand jury has so much power over grand juries that they can get them to indict a ham sandwich.
00:20:03.320And that's what happened with the Franklin Network.
00:20:05.380That's what happened with the Epstein Network.
00:20:08.620The grand jury – with the Epstein grand juries has been – the transcripts have been released.
00:20:16.820And actually, I wrote a blog on that, and it really shows – with a grand jury, one person has chosen to be the special prosecutor, and grand jurors are just people that show up for jury duty.
00:21:21.640One of the girls had been 16 when she was originally molested by Epstein.
00:21:25.020One of them had been 14, and the one that was 14 was now 16.
00:21:28.880And they were skewered, so the Palm Beach – that particular grand jury said that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't abused a single child.
00:21:38.760And it indicted him on one count of adult pandering.
00:21:44.520And the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, Michael Ryder, just exploded.
00:21:52.280He called this one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in modern history because he was aware of 23 victims, and he knew how assiduously Epstein had been investigated.
00:22:07.260So he started to make a lot of noise, and then the feds said that they would indict a grand jury, or the feds said that they would impanel a grand jury.
00:22:17.580And that grand jury was disbanded, or maybe it was never impaneled.
00:22:27.200But Alexander Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, was told – and he's never denied this – he was told that Epstein was intelligence, and it was above his pay grade, and that he should back away.
00:22:43.540So the feds – at that point, the feds had a list of like 35 Epstein victims, underage Epstein victims, and they didn't indict him on a single count of child abuse.
00:22:55.100Why would the government set up these type of operations in the first place?
00:23:03.060You talk about these audio and visual blackmail recordings.
00:23:07.140What would be the point for the government to blackmail somebody like Epstein?
00:23:11.640Obviously, with his status, his wealth, there's obviously power plays there.
00:25:08.120They – it's like, well, who is they?
00:25:09.660You know, if you're talking about, in this case, Epstein, who's not a politician but very powerful, also having dirt on powerful politicians, who is it then that is blackmailing these politicians or setting up audiovisual assets in order to set these traps?
00:25:27.180There is a dark, malignant corner of our intelligence that does this.
00:25:35.600And Jeffrey Epstein, by himself – Jeffrey Epstein was a college dropout from a working-class Coney Island family.
00:25:43.800Jeffrey Epstein, by himself, could not have blackmailed some of the most powerful people in the world.
00:25:49.680For example, Les Wexner, who gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his billions of dollars, everything, he had connections to the Genovese – big-time connections to the Genovese crime family.
00:26:02.560And there's no way that Jeffrey Epstein, by himself, could have blackmailed someone with the power of Les Wexner.
00:26:10.960There had to be an organization behind Epstein that told these power brokers, Jeffrey Epstein is our man, and if you hurt him, there will be retribution.
00:26:22.160And the CIA has been blackmailing people for a long time.
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00:28:53.360I think Trump generally has a reputation for, quote, unquote, draining the swamp, or maybe there's even some misguided optimism that he will, you know, out and root out some of these rats and Maleficent-type actors.
00:29:10.160I would like to see it happen, but Epstein was covered up from 2006 to his death in 2019.
00:29:20.460So there were four presidential administrations that covered up Epstein.
00:29:25.020There was George W. Bush, there was Barack Obama, there was Trump, and there was Biden.
00:29:30.240All four of those administrations, two Republican, two Democrat, none of them indicted any of the perpetrators for Epstein.
00:29:38.220So I'm skeptical, and I think that I started an organization called Epstein Justice, and our goal is to form a congressional commission, and it has two objectives.
00:29:57.100We want to know why the government covered up child trafficking.
00:30:00.520And in our legal system, if you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting it.
00:30:04.400So we want to know why the government aided and abetted child trafficking in the Epstein case.
00:30:09.460And we also want to know, or we also want all the perpetrators, and we know who a bunch of the perpetrators are because of civil lawsuit documentation.
00:30:20.300It's a simple thing, that our government should not be in the business of aiding and abetting child trafficking, and child molesters should be prosecuted.
00:30:33.560It's a hell of a battle, but what Epstein Justice is about is relatively straightforward.
00:30:39.600Yeah, I have a hard time believing that a lot of this can even be corrected.
00:30:44.540It seems the bigger government gets, and the more bloated, and the more bureaucracy that's involved, the harder it is to clean up some of this mess.
00:30:51.580And, of course, there's a lot of power and weight, political and financial power behind making sure that things stay the same and don't actually change.
00:31:00.140Do we really want a government that aids and abets child trafficking?
00:31:09.600That's why, at this point, as American citizens, we have to band together.
00:31:16.260We have to expose this dark, malignant corner of intelligence that's been aiding and abetting the trafficking of children, and we need these perpetrators to be prosecuted.
00:32:20.300That's why Epstein justice is so important, is because a lot of our politicians are being blackmailed because of their sexual indiscretions.
00:32:31.480I think that's the root of the issue, right, is that because of their behavior, they're making themselves vulnerable to these positions of blackmail, which just exacerbates the problem.
00:32:42.600And that's something we have to correct, is the blackmail.
00:32:48.900The government doesn't talk about its politicians being blackmailed, and the media doesn't talk about it, because I think there are people in the media that are compromised.
00:33:00.860Americans have some nebulous idea that there might be blackmail, but others don't.
00:33:22.960But he was an editor at, I would say, one of the top 10 magazines in the country, certainly, definitely one of the top 20.
00:33:33.200And he went to his boss with some of my information about blackmail.
00:33:40.380And his boss, she was the editor-in-chief of a major magazine in New York City, said that she didn't believe that there's political blackmail.
00:33:55.060I mean, that's the kind of obtuseness that we're dealing with, with the media.
00:34:00.080I mean, is it really that obtuse, or is it deliberate, right?
00:34:03.460Obtuse almost makes it sound as if it's ignorance, and I don't think it's that.
00:34:07.760I actually – I think a lot of times it's malfeasance, but in her case, she was that ignorant.
00:34:16.140I mean, I've been in New York City for 22 years, and I've been a freelance journalist in New York City for 22 years.
00:34:25.580And I've encountered a lot of spinelessness and a lot of ignorance.
00:34:34.880Like I said, I had Jeffrey Epstein's black book in 2012, but it took me three years before a magazine would take that on, or a publication or a platform would take that on.
00:34:46.220It took me three years, and that's the kind of impediments that I've been dealing with, with these type of stories.
00:34:56.860Why – you know, if Epstein was such a – I guess a – how do I say – maybe a powerful asset or resource in this blackmailing that takes place, and it sounds like Diddy as well.
00:35:09.820Why – what ultimately brought them down?
00:35:28.440It happened with Craig Spence and the Franklin scandal.
00:35:31.700It happened with Epstein, and it happened with Diddy.
00:35:34.900And with Epstein and Diddy, there were a number of civil lawsuits that were being launched at both of them.
00:35:43.140And a blackmailer isn't going to be able to be a blackmailer if people know that he's a blackmailer.
00:35:50.820And at that point, when there was a critical mass of civil lawsuits against both Epstein and Diddy, it was time to take them down, both of them.
00:36:02.080You know, I had a – this was probably last year I had a podcast with Ricky Schroeder, and we talked a little bit briefly, not as much as I should have delved into it.
00:36:11.840But he talked about the government recruiting child actors, not necessarily for sex trafficking, but political propaganda.
00:36:20.520So this spans not just sexual indiscretion and child trafficking, but just about every possible scenario you can envision.
00:36:31.420When you think about blackmail, our legislators are making decisions that affect every American, every American.
00:36:44.980So there's a tremendous amount of power involved.
00:36:49.860And I think that people on the Supreme Court are also compromised.
00:36:54.820I believe that Clarence Thomas is compromised.
00:36:57.480You can go to my blog or go to my website, nickbrinenyc.com.
00:37:02.180I've written a very long piece on Clarence Thomas.
00:37:06.200He was affiliated with the Franklin Network that I wrote about.
00:37:09.840And he's a nasty piece of work, and there's no way that he isn't compromised.
00:37:16.200And I know that conservatives think the world of Clarence Thomas, but if you read my blog, you'll have a second take on Clarence Thomas.
00:37:25.360It's important that people in the judiciary are blackmailed also, and also in law enforcement.
00:37:31.400I'll have to take a look at that blog because I have not read that.
00:37:35.620I know that Clarence Thomas was in a little bit of hot water, maybe lukewarm water, a year or two ago about maybe some finance violations or conflicts of interest.
00:37:49.140I can't remember exactly, but it seems like there was something there, not to the extent that you're talking about, though.
00:37:53.840There were seven or eight Anita Hills that the Senate Judiciary knew about before they voted on Thomas.
00:38:04.220And actually, a woman named Angela Wright, who had also worked for Thomas at the Equal Opportunity Commission, had Thomas had done the exact same thing to her, and she had been subpoenaed.
00:38:16.600So in the very least, you were going to have two women corroborate each other.
00:38:21.980There could have been a lot more, but you were going to have two women corroborate each other.
00:38:26.720And her subpoena was lifted by Joe Biden, who was the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee at that point.
00:38:35.380So it became a he said, she said, even though they knew, and I'm talking when I say they, I'm talking about the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:38:44.740They knew of a number of women that were hassled by Clarence Thomas.
00:38:54.620It was written by a former New York Times reporter, and it's called Strange Justice.
00:39:01.440And Thomas lived around the corner from a video store, and he spent a lot of time in the adult section of that video store.
00:39:12.140And he was talking to Anita Hill about porno stars, and people thought that that was beyond the pale of what Anita Hill was saying, because surely Clarence Thomas wouldn't be talking about porno stars.
00:39:28.200So according to that book, Strange Justice, Clarence Thomas seems to be a porn addict and a serial harasser of women.
00:39:40.660Right. When when you make these sort of allegations, it's probably I imagine brings a lot of hot water on onto you, a lot of heat onto you.
00:39:53.420What what type of backlash have you seen?
00:39:55.860I know when you were talking about the Franklin scandal, there was the last day, I think you said was a death threat.
00:40:01.400I'm sure you've had other situations, whether in person or threats through digital technology.
00:41:49.400I couldn't get the Franklin Scandal published by a major publisher.
00:41:53.080And the Wikipedia page makes the Franklin Scandal out to be nonsense.
00:41:57.780Now, there has been battles over that Wikipedia page.
00:42:01.340And people insist that these, quote, unquote, editors insist on making the story sound nonsensical and like a, quote, unquote, conspiracy theory.
00:42:13.840And you can go to my website and I can show you the battles that have gone on in Wikipedia.
00:43:00.700And since I was the guy that ushered the Black Book into public consciousness, they invited me to talk about these documents that were going to be released.
00:43:13.180And, you know, I talked to the producer and then I talked to, I started, I was texting with him.
00:43:22.780And about an hour before I was to go on, I said, I'd also like to talk about Epstein Justice.
00:43:27.860It's an organization that I formed that really wants to, we're really, really working very assiduously for a president, for a congressional commission.
00:43:39.240And then about 10 minutes later, I get a text, Nick, we're going to go in another direction.
00:43:50.340There was a Fox affiliate that was going to interview me.
00:43:55.440And this is when the Sandusky stuff was breaking.
00:43:59.700And this junior producer had read my book, The Franklin Scandal, and she really wanted to talk to me about Sandusky and my experience with the cover-up of child abuse.
00:44:13.020And she was going through my editor, and then her boss, a senior editor, called, or not my editor, my publisher, called my publisher, and my publisher arranged for me to talk to her.
00:44:25.940And I talked to her for about two or three minutes, and she called my publisher back and said I sounded incoherent, that they weren't going to put me on.
00:44:36.740And now, you can say a lot of things about me, but I generally, I'm a very articulate guy, and I never, ever sound incoherent, or very seldom.
00:44:48.660So there have been, now, why do these media, these major media shirk their responsibility from having me on?
00:45:09.280Yeah, I imagine one of the easiest, most effective ways to keep you quiet or contain you, as you said, would just be to paint you as someone who's crazy or a little bit of a kook or, you know, whatever you want to call it.
00:45:23.700And paint you that way, and paint this as extreme conspiracy theory.
00:45:48.960There are thousands and thousands and thousands of conspiracies in the United States every year.
00:45:56.680In 1967, people were very skeptical of the Warren Commission.
00:46:03.840They did not believe, most Americans, and actually, it's still that way, the majority of Americans did not think that Oswald acted alone.
00:46:12.320They felt that there was a conspiracy.
00:46:13.740So, in 1967, the CIA released what they called a dispatch.
00:46:23.220And it said, these people that don't believe the Warren Commission, we're going to position them as conspiracy theorists.
00:46:31.860And then there was a long list, and you can go to my website, I've got the document, and then there was a long list of how we're going to position conspiracy theorists and the various ways that we're going to make them look negative.
00:46:49.480And after that, before that 1967 CIA memo, the New York Times and the Washington Post used conspiracy theory or conspiracy theorists about once a year.
00:47:01.660But after that, it exploded exponentially.
00:47:07.140And whoever the CIA individual or individuals who wrote that dispatch, that 1967 dispatch, I mean, they should be getting lots of royalties because that dispatch has really paid off.
00:47:20.080Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's been very effective if you want to cover it up.
00:47:24.820And that's as old as time, too, is discredit the witness, right?
00:47:27.660Just discredit them as best you can, and then you don't know what to believe and what not to believe.
00:47:34.660On my blog and my website, I just released an article called Nuke the Messenger, and I get into three examples of the big three, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the LA Times, going after other newspapers that are trying to break stories that are negative towards the CIA.
00:48:00.140And Gary Webb is a perfect example of that.
00:48:03.100I use Gary Webb as one example of the big three going after San Jose Mercury News and Gary Webb.
00:48:11.260And Gary Webb had actually won a Pulitzer Prize.
00:48:14.720So he was a very accomplished journalist.
00:48:17.920But those three newspapers managed to destroy him.
00:48:24.080Bringing this back to the original conversation that we were having, especially when it comes to child sex trafficking, which obviously is a huge problem.
00:48:32.660You know, we're talking about it at the highest echelons of government, the most powerful people in the world.
00:48:37.280I'm not that, you know, and everybody who's listening is certainly not in that position.
00:48:40.920What does a man do who's trying to lead his family, trying to show up in his community outside of making this information available and bringing it to light?
00:48:51.600What does he do to protect his family and his community in a powerful way?
00:48:55.580People can certainly protect their families from this.
00:48:59.640Although sometimes people are trafficked from families that you wouldn't think would lend themselves to being trafficked.
00:49:11.020But trafficking exists in all social strata.
00:49:14.200Whether we're talking about the super wealthy or we're talking about people living in trailer courts.
00:52:02.080Yeah, there's a quote that comes to mind is that we encourage what we tolerate.
00:52:05.240And so if we allow things like this to happen, not only are we, like you said earlier, apathetic to it, we're actually encouraging it to continue, which makes it worse and worse and worse.
00:52:14.640And we won't have to bear the burden of that.
00:53:34.880He covered up Epstein, and also did he.
00:53:38.640And he covered up Epstein by – there was a – in the Glenn Maxwell trial, only four of the victims were called.
00:53:45.460And those four victims had only been molested by Maxwell and Epstein.
00:53:51.220That grand jury did not call any of the other perpetrators – or I should say any of the victims who had been molested by other perpetrators.
00:53:58.920And Damian Williams carefully choreographed that trial so no one else would be implicated other than Maxwell and Epstein.
00:54:10.500And he was also the U.S. attorney that oversaw the Diddy grand jury.
00:54:18.120And Diddy has trafficked – I mean, according to these lawsuits, he's prolifically trafficked children.
00:54:24.900But he wasn't indicted on the single count of child trafficking.
00:54:28.660And both with Maxwell and with Diddy, they're indicted on conspiracies.
00:54:40.080I mean, so we have that, too, that we have these two conspiracies, and only one person gets indicted.
00:54:48.920I mean, that right out of the gate shows that there's a cover-up.
00:54:52.940But where do you think the Diddy case goes from here?
00:54:57.840I mean, obviously, I think what you were saying earlier, because there's so much light and attention and media coverage brought to it, there's no way that he doesn't take a fall.
00:55:08.140But I don't really think anything more will come of it than that.
00:55:29.720And if you look into Diddy's history, his father was a drug dealer.
00:55:37.860I think he was a drug dealer in the Frank Lucas Network, and he was also an informant, and he was murdered.
00:55:47.320Diddy was, and then he dropped out of Howard University, and he got into the music biz.
00:55:54.040And then in 1993, he hooked up with Clive Davis, and Clive Davis is this – there was a documentary about him, which is basically – it was an infomercial.
00:56:07.160Clive Davis is this benign octogenarian, or seemingly benign octogenarian.
00:56:11.980But he's a hard, cold criminal, Clive Davis.
00:56:17.820Clive Davis has been busted three times defrauding the IRS.
00:56:24.720If you work – if you manage a record company or you're the CEO of a record company, record companies cannot give money to radios to play songs.
00:56:37.760And he was busted in the biggest payola scandal ever.
00:56:43.260And then there was a Genovese family member named Pasquale Falcone who got busted smuggling, I believe, 22 pounds of heroin in to the United States.
00:56:54.840And as the feds started digging deeper and deeper into Falcone, they saw that he was affiliated with all of these shell companies.
00:57:04.320And when they started digging into the shell companies, it was Falcone and Clive Davis that were the head of these shell companies.
00:57:16.040And what Clive Davis was is he was taking money – he was the CEO or president of CBS Records.
00:57:20.920He was taking money from CBS and putting it in these shell companies, partnering with a guy that's in the Genovese crime family.
00:57:57.200So he forms Bad Boy Records with P. Diddy.
00:58:02.020And I think that – and this is my personal belief, but I've been looking at this area for a long time.
00:58:09.640The only way Clive Davis walks from all those crimes without spending one day in jail is if he's working with the government as an informant.
00:58:24.860So I believe that Clive Davis took Diddy by the hand and they went on the yellow brick road together.
00:58:31.100And the criminality of Diddy just escalated.
00:58:38.100I mean, Diddy was already a sociopathic criminal.
00:58:41.480But I think his criminal activity just escalated.
00:58:46.420And he had committed many, many crimes.
00:58:51.200And one of them was a shooting at his studio that was covered up by the LAPD.
00:58:58.300I've got a video on my podcast about – it's called P. Diddy and Hip Hop Babylon, where I get into these various crimes that were covered up for Diddy.
00:59:12.300So that's where I think Diddy ultimately got started in the business of blackmail is with Clive Davis.
00:59:21.280Well, it'll be interesting to see as you continue to do your work.
00:59:26.160And a lot of this is brought to light, hopefully more and more of it, so we can start to oust this for what it is.
00:59:32.220Will you let the guys know where to connect with you with Epstein Justice?
00:59:35.540You also referenced your blog and your podcast.
00:59:38.400Please mention those as well because I'm sure a lot of people are interested and hopefully they are and they want to support what you're doing and your mission.
00:59:44.020You can go to EpsteinJustice.com and there's a petition that you can sign that's got, I think, 43,000 signatures at this point.
00:59:56.820There's a form letter that will go to your federal congresspeople.
01:01:37.900And if you read my work, you will see.
01:01:41.800And actually, there's a very long Epstein article I wrote, if you go to EpsteinJustice.com, that was published by the Sheer Post, where I really provide evidence.
01:01:54.340There's a lot of links in that particular article where I really bring the goods.
01:01:58.840I've been an investigative journalist for a number of years, and I pride myself in not going a bridge too far.
01:02:08.640There's a lot of things when you're writing and doing investigative journalism.
01:02:13.460There's what you know, and there's what you can tell.
01:02:17.340And I stick to only what I can tell that has the evidence.
01:02:26.640I would love to open up and say what I know, but that would be really – that would be very counterproductive for me.
01:02:39.640I only go where I can show evidence, and that's – I've been that way my entire career.
01:02:46.820Well, I think that's being an integrity as a journalist, so I commend you for that, and I wish more people would do that as well.
01:02:54.700Well, Nick, it was great to talk with you today.
01:02:56.300We're going to sync everything up so the guys can connect more.
01:02:58.780I appreciate you and your work, and I'll help support in the ways that I can because this is a message that more people need to hear and get involved with.
01:03:09.760Gentlemen, Nick Bryant, I hope you enjoyed the podcast, and I hope it rallied you to be frustrated, to be angry maybe even a little bit, and I think that's justified.
01:03:22.140That's righteous to be angry when appropriate, and I would ask that you go check out Nick's work over at Epstein Justice, or that's, again, his nonprofit,
01:03:31.480or even his book, The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal, and then check out his blog as well.
01:03:38.300There's a lot of great information he's talking about.
01:03:41.200There's a lot of information that you can gather, and there's a lot of great ways to support as well.
01:03:44.900And whether you can get directly involved or help contribute, we got to get involved.
01:03:53.260Our government cannot be engaged in child sex trafficking, and they cannot be complicit in it, and they cannot be covering it up.
01:04:01.440And it's up to us as men, private citizens, individuals, to step up to the plate and make sure that justice is served for the victims of these scandals and against those who would victimize others.
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